The Ineffable Allen West: Democrats Try to Win Women’s Votes by ‘Talking From the Waist Down’

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You probably thought Mike Huckabee’s attempt to mansplain birth control to women was pretty ham-handed Neanderthal stuff, but then along comes the ineffable Allen West to show you how misogyny’s really done: West: ‘The Left Tries to Win the Women’s Vote by Talking From the Waist Down’.

Asserting that Democrats want the government to be “the sugar daddy” and replace men, West said Democrats have been “caught guilty as always” and are responding by attacking Huckabee. He then went on to claim that the Left remains utterly silent when women like Malala Yousafzai are abused and attacked by the Taliban before declaring that “I’m going to be very blunt: the Left tries to win the women’s vote by talking from the waist down.”

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307 comments
1 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:10:26pm

War criminal says what?

2 thecommodore  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:10:57pm

War criminal is as war criminal does.

3 jaunte  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:11:10pm

They just can’t stop talking about parts.

4 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:11:18pm

“Ineffable”, you say? Well Eff him!

5 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:12:17pm
6 Kragar  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:12:19pm

Please proceed.

7 jaunte  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:12:35pm
“the Left remains utterly silent when women like Malala Yousafzai are abused and attacked by the Taliban”

I recall that differently.

google.com

8 Dr. Matt  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:13:49pm
He then went on to claim that the Left remains utterly silent when women like Malala Yousafzai are abused and attacked by the Taliban

Huh?

9 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:14:00pm

Amazingly sleazy of West to try to co-opt the Malala case. I saw plenty of liberals who were horrified by that incident and said so.

10 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:14:19pm

This guy and Rand Paul both try to hold up Democrats as talking to women in a certain way. What they seemingly don’t recognize is that at least half of those Democrats talking about women ARE women.

We don’t want a ‘strong male image in the government’. We want a whole lot more female images in the government.

11 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:14:28pm

As a licensed downthereologist, Allen West understands that it’s inappropriate to talk to women from the waist down.

After all, those ovaries actually belong to Proximate Penis Haver (PPH), and there’s absolutely no reason for women to talk about reproduction.

Also…sluts.

12 jaunte  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:14:33pm

re: #8 Dr. Matt

He’s living in his own little world.

13 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:15:41pm

Last week’s Wingnut Talking Point was HURR HURR!!!11!!! DEMOCRATZ IS TEH REAL RACISTS!!!11!!! and this week it’s HURR HURR!!!1!!! TEH DEMOCRATS IS TEH REAL SEXISTS!!!1!!!!1

14 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:16:51pm

I always want to vomit when people like West or Pamela Geller or Robert Spencer try to portray themselves as friends of Muslim women on one hand, while with the other hand they advocate stopping ALL immigration from Muslim countries.

15 GunstarGreen  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:16:59pm

re: #7 jaunte

I recall that differently.

google.com

As always, Republican rhetoric requires completely ignoring inconvenient things like ‘history’ and ‘facts’, and fabricating new realities out of whole cloth to support their arguments.

16 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:18:26pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

I always want to vomit when people like West or Pamela Geller or Robert Spencer try to portray themselves as friends of Muslim women on one hand, while with the other hand they advocate stopping ALL immigration from Muslim countries.

HURR HURR WE WANTS TO RESCUE ALL TEH MUSLIM WOMENS FROM TEH SHARIA!!!11!!!!

You know, like Ann Coulter wants all Teh Juice to achieve “perfection”

17 chadu  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:18:26pm

Have these RWNJs had luck “talking from the waist down” before or something?

18 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:19:22pm

re: #10 wrenchwench

This guy and Rand Paul both try to hold up Democrats as talking to women in a certain way. What they seemingly don’t recognize is that at least half of those Democrats talking about women ARE women.

We don’t want a ‘strong male image in the government’. We want a whole lot more female images in the government.

This is of a piece with their view of Democrats and blacks. In both cases, they see “The Democrats” as telling the women or blacks what to think, rather than blacks and women both being a substantial chunk of the Democratic Party and telling THE PARTY how to think.

IOW, they respond like authoritarians who see the mass of people as pliable sheep.

19 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:19:46pm
20 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:20:06pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

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Do I have to eat puppy kibble for lunch to achieve that?

21 b_sharp  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:20:41pm

re: #16 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR WE WANTS TO RESCUE ALL TEH MUSLIM WOMENS FROM TEH SHARIA!!!11!!!!

You know, like Ann Coulter wants all Teh Juice to achieve “perfection”

Don’t we all?

Wait, what?

23 Kragar  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:21:19pm
24 Dr. Matt  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:21:27pm

Remind me about the time when the Left demanded women get vaginal probe raped, or about the time the Left talked about the supercharged libido’s of women, or when the left demeaned women for taking birth control……

25 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:21:37pm

The GOP lost control of the message over the Tea party: they were too afraid of being shouted down at Town Hall meetings to have the nerve to distance themselves from these kinds of statements and state that they do not represent the party’s ideology or platform.

In doing so, they started an attention-grabbing race to the bottom to see who can come up with the most outrageous soundbyte, basically anything to “annoy a liberal” and garner nods from the extreme wing of the base.

And the race to the bottom is only just warming up…

26 allegro  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:22:17pm

What with the RWNJ obsession with lady bits and sodomy it’s just so much projection. Business as usual with today’s official talking point .

27 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:22:37pm

re: #23 Kragar

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Ross can’t get a date, huh?

28 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:23:11pm

the only thing I find interesting about his latest publicity stunt statement in his headshot. Amongst the far right, it is increasingly becoming clear that ideological rank and hierarchy is an important aspect of our increasingly fascist Tea Party crowd. RIght now there are 3 medals, consistent with mandatory Faux News lapel manhood. Pretty soon, we are bound to approach the Communist Russia party apparichnik photos of yore with enough medals to sink even Michael Phelps.

29 chadu  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:23:19pm

re: #23 Kragar

Of course, believing women should have the option to hold out for love assumes that it’s possible for a man to love a woman. As was clear in his horrible misreading of The Love Affairs of Nathanial P.*, Douthat sort of thinks women are foolish nitwits who are holding out for an impossible fantasy if we think that a man could, you know, love us. Men have no real use for women except as a form of sexual release, the logic goes, so if a man has the choice between loving a woman and having sex with a bunch of different women, it’s no contest, because the former isn’t possible, really. So women need to grow up and give up hope of real love, and and force a shotgun marriage to a man that resents you for stealing his freedom and probably cheats because of it.

I threw up in my mouth, more than a little bit.

30 dog philosopher  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:23:29pm

“I’m going to be very blunt”

is this the new word for lying and being disingenuous?

31 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:23:55pm

Allen West thinks that women and Democrats are talking about sex when they talk about birth control and abortion. They are not. They are talking about health and personal economy. You know, pocketbook issues. Family values.

32 chadu  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:24:33pm

re: #26 allegro

What with the RWNJ obsession with lady bits and sodomy it’s just so much projection. Business as usual with today’s official talking point .

It’s been awhile:

Youtube Video

33 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:24:45pm

re: #27 GeneJockey

Ross can’t get a date, huh?

Not without walking around a truckstop parking lot waving money…

34 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:24:57pm

re: #19 Pie-onist Overlord

The “Barbie” moniker is offensive when applied to Palin; it is no less offensive here. It’s the objectification of women, and treating them as something less than capable of the job.

Palin’s shown herself to be incapable of handling the job and rigors of governance. Her character (and lack of same) not to mention poor judgment shows that the nation made the right choice in not electing McCain to the Presidency (making her VP).

Wendy Davis still has to prove herself for governing Texas, but standing up to the offensive tactics by the Texas GOP in trying to ram through abortion restrictions by any means necessary shows she has the courage of her character and good judgment to know right from wrong.

35 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:26:13pm

HURR HURR!!!1!!! ALL TEH BLAHS USED TO BE REPUBLICANS UNTIL TEH DEMOCRATS BOUGHT THEM WITH TEH WELFARES!!!11!!!!!!

36 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:27:47pm

re: #35 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!1!!! ALL TEH BLAHS USED TO BE REPUBLICANS UNTIL TEH DEMOCRATS BOUGHT THEM WITH TEH WELFARES!!!11!!!!!!

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Wow, he manages to be historically ignorant AND racist, all at the same time!

37 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:28:54pm

re: #36 GeneJockey

Wow, he manages to be historically ignorant AND racist, all at the same time!

If Republicans believe it’s so easy to “buy” African-American votes, why don’t they? They have enough money!

38 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:29:45pm

re: #37 Pie-onist Overlord

If Republicans believe it’s so easy to “buy” African-American votes, why don’t they? They have enough money!

PRINCIPLES!

39 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:31:05pm

re: #17 chadu

Have these RWNJs had luck “talking from the waist down” before or something?

It would explain why so many talk out of their asses.

40 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:31:36pm

The crazy thing is they want to claim the mantle of LIncoln and Emancipation, and of King and Civil Rights, all while telling blacks that they only vote Democratic because blacks are too stupid and venal.

41 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:31:50pm

re: #30 dog philosopher

“I’m going to be very blunt”

is this the new word for lying and being disingenuous?

When a wingnut says some variation of “I’m going to be blunt,” it means what follows is going to be noxious and offensive, but is something they’re convinced that only an insane person would argue against.

42 klys  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:31:56pm

re: #40 GeneJockey

The crazy thing is they want to claim the mantle of LIncoln and Emancipation, and of King and Civil Rights, all while telling blacks that they only vote Democratic because blacks are too stupid and venal.

REBRANDING!

43 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:32:46pm

re: #42 klys

REBRANDING!

But I haven’t healed yet from the original branding!
//

44 jaunte  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:33:42pm

“Rebranding is Tyranny.”
— Rand Paul

45 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:33:45pm

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not without walking around a truckstop parking lot waving money…

Couldn’t get laid in a Women’s Prison with a fistful of pardons?

46 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:33:52pm

This seems apt and on-topic:

The “War on Women” Is About Public Policy

The “war on women” that is alleged to exist is a war of public policy. Specifically one in which conservative ideas are unfavorable to women.

Take, for example, the Affordable Care Act. Compared to men, women earn lower incomes and have higher average health care expenses. The Affordable Care Act taxes high-earning people (mostly men) and subsidizes low-earning people (mostly women) while also specifically restricting the ability of insurance companies to charge higher premiums to women. On retirement security, Republican policy is tilted in favor of tax benefits for people with investment income (mostly men) while Democrats love Social Security which is especially beneficial to unusually long-lived people (mostly women). Democrats want to make it easier for women to win lawsuits about gender pay discrimination while Republicans want to make it harder for them to do so. Democrats want to invest in the future by hiring lots of preschool teachers (mostly women, and a big help to people with child care responsibilities—i.e. also mostly women) while Republicans want to invest in the future with reduced marginal tax rates for high income individuals (mostly men).

47 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:35:02pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

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I love the way puppies do everything with wild abandon, whether it’s play, or sleep.

48 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:35:50pm

re: #46 The Ghost of a Flea

I do not fully agree wioth a lot of the points, but I totally fail to see the Right Wing’s fixation on sex (especially women’s sex) as a political issue.

49 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:38:18pm

re: #46 The Ghost of a Flea

This seems apt and on-topic:

The “War on Women” Is About Public Policy

This one is good too:

What Rand Paul doesn’t understand about the ‘war on women’

[…]

Paul’s remarks highlight Republicans’ ongoing difficulty with not just in countering Democratic attacks on matters related to gender, but in understanding what the problem is in the first place.

First, Paul’s statistics regarding women in the legal and medical professions are plainly off. Paul began defending his stance on the “war on woman” by pointing to his own family. “I have a niece at Cornell vet school, and 85% of the young people there are women. In law school, 60% are women. In med school, 55%. My younger sister is an OB-GYN with six kids and doing great. You know, I don’t see so much that women are downtrodden; I see women rising up and doing great things. And in fact, I worry about our young men sometimes because I think that women really are outcompeting the men in our world,” he said.

Women make up less than half of enrollees at law schools, according to the American Bar Association, and are way underrepresented on the federal bench. The percentage of women in medical school is also less than 50%.

Whatever you think of the Democrats’ political framing, the “war on women” has never been primarily about individual politicians’ sleazy behavior towards women. Men in power behaving badly is a relatively bipartisan phenomenon. Democrats’ attacks on Republicans for waging a “war on women” is about the Republican Party’s policy agenda, one that includes weakening workplace protections against discrimination, forcing women to carry unwanted pregnancies to term, carving out religious exceptions to insurance regulations that compel companies to cover reproductive health, and opposing legislative measures to combat sexual assault.

[…]

50 klys  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:41:35pm

re: #48 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

I do not fully agree wioth a lot of the points, but I totally fail to see the Right Wing’s fixation on sex (especially women’s sex) as a political issue.

I’m very confused by this comment. Are you saying that you don’t understand the right wing’s obsession or that you don’t believe they have one?

51 jaunte  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:41:44pm

re: #49 wrenchwench

I saw RP tell his anecdote on Meet the Press, and wished for a moment the interviewer would point out that it was an anecdote, and “hey dude, nice story” but meaningless. Then I realized the interviewer was David Gregory.

52 dog philosopher  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:42:47pm

re: #51 jaunte

I saw RP tell his anecdote on Meet the Press, and wished for a moment the interviewer would point out that it was an anecdote, and “hey dude, nice story” but meaningless. Then I realized the interviewer was David Gregory.

sometimes known as “fluffy”

53 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:46:02pm

re: #50 klys

I’m very confused by this comment. Are you saying that you don’t understand the right wing’s obsession or that you don’t believe they have one?

I do not agree fully with the policy points in the statement that GoaF posted (I find them a bit overgeneralized), but I also do not at all understand the Right Wing’s fixation on women’s sexual activities and preferences.

54 Bulworth  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:47:58pm

Damn, we’ve been caught again. First Bryan Fischer. Then Huckabee. Now West. They sure have us all figured out. Time to throw in the towel, boys. //

55 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:49:26pm

re: #54 Bulworth

Damn, we’ve been caught again. First Bryan Fischer. Then Huckabee. Now West. They sure have us all figured out. Time to throw in the towel, boys. //

Democrats only think of women from the waist down, because they object to all the laws we want to pass controlling women from the waist down!!!

56 Bulworth  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:50:02pm

re: #30 dog philosopher

‘Stupid’, too. “I’m going to be blunt” = “Be prepared for all the derp that is about to come forth.”

57 A Mom Anon  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:50:32pm

re: #53 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

It wouldn’t be political IF their freaking weirdness didn’t translate into policy. Like the Hyde Amendment for example. Like the laws being passed that make a perfectly legal medical procedure damned near impossible to get in some places. Like slashing food stamps and aid to poor women with kids. Etc, etc…

58 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:55:28pm

re: #57 A Mom Anon

It wouldn’t be political IF their freaking weirdness didn’t translate into policy. Like the Hyde Amendment for example. Like the laws being passed that make a perfectly legal medical procedure damned near impossible to get in some places. Like slashing food stamps and aid to poor women with kids. Etc, etc…

That was their long-term goal, but some of these guys are a bit overzealous in implementing everything at once, and that will be their undoing.

In the end, we have to be grateful for goons like Todd Aikin for making it clear to women that his views on “legitimate rape” are perfectly consistent with GOP policy, the party establishemnt just wanted to formulate it a bit differently, at least until after they’d won…

59 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:57:05pm

re: #48 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

I do not fully agree wioth a lot of the points, but I totally fail to see the Right Wing’s fixation on sex (especially women’s sex) as a political issue.

I think the GOP is stuck on its various irrational culture war issues because its other policy positions (war everywhere all the time, and stealing from the poor to give to the rich) really aren’t getting it done any more in terms of votes/energy, especially from the increasingly obsessive GOP base.

60 klys  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:57:21pm

re: #53 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

I do not agree fully with the policy points in the statement that GoaF posted (I find them a bit overgeneralized), but I also do not at all understand the Right Wing’s fixation on women’s sexual activities and preferences.

Thanks for clarifying. :)

61 A Mom Anon  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:57:26pm

re: #57 A Mom Anon

I should have explained myself better. Without their freaky obsession with sex and women’s lady bits there wouldn’t be the cuts to food stamps, the push to get rid of school lunch programs, the closing of women’s clinics all over the country, the idiotic Hyde Amendment, and on and on. They’re the ones that brought the sex and biology into their platforms and policy positions.

62 Mattand  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 1:59:40pm
He then went on to claim that the Left remains utterly silent when women like Malala Yousafzai are abused and attacked by the Taliban before declaring that “I’m going to be very blunt: the Left tries to win the women’s vote by talking from the waist down.”

Coming from the guy who represents the party trying to regulate women from the waist down.

63 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:01:41pm

re: #62 Mattand

Coming from the guy who represents the party trying to regulate women from the waist down.

And corpses, if pregnant.

64 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:03:58pm

re: #61 A Mom Anon

I should have explained myself better. Without their freaky obsession with sex and women’s lady bits there wouldn’t be the cuts to food stamps, the push to get rid of school lunch programs, the closing of women’s clinics all over the country, the idiotic Hyde Amendment, and on and on. They’re the ones that brought the sex and biology into their platforms and policy positions.

This. It’s about moralism and their discomfort with women’s sexuality.

Women shouldn’t have abortions because they should refrain from having sex. They shouldn’t need contraception because they should refrain from having sex. They shouldn’t have children out of wedlock because they should refrain from having sex. They shouldn’t need foodstamps to feed their children because they should refrain from having sex. They shouldn’t need childcare because they should refrain from having sex.

The other policy things, like favoring investors over workers is because they worship business owners and think any worker who doesn’t own a business is a lazy fuckoff who deserves whatever crumbs fall trickles down from the business owner’s table.

65 Mattand  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:04:43pm

And speaking of Republicans just going for it regarding party-wide misogyny:

Scarborough: Lewinsky Could Be Fair Game If Hillary Bashes GOP With ‘War On Women’

Looks like Rand got the ball rolling and Morning Joe is falling in line.

“Your husband cheated on you, therefore you can’t criticize the GOP’s generally shitty attitude toward women.”

I really don’t know how anyone can vote Republican and look themselves in the mirror any more.

66 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:05:37pm

re: #64 GeneJockey

This. It’s about moralism and their discomfort with women’s sexuality.

Women shouldn’t have abortions because they should refrain from having sex. They shouldn’t need contraception because they should refrain from having sex. They shouldn’t have children out of wedlock because they should refrain from having sex. They shouldn’t need foodstamps to feed their children shouldn’t have abortions because they should refrain from having sex. They shouldn’t need childcare shouldn’t have abortions because they should refrain from having sex.

The other policy things, like favoring investors over workers is because they worship business owners and think any worker who doesn’t own a business is a lazy fuckoff who deserves whatever crumbs fall trickles down from the business owner’s table.

Essentially, the Victorian mindset.

67 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:06:05pm

re: #65 Mattand

And speaking of Republicans just going for it regarding party-wide misogyny:

Scarborough: Lewinsky Could Be Fair Game If Hillary Bashes GOP With ‘War On Women’

Looks like Rand got the ball rolling and Morning Joe is falling in line.

“Your husband cheated on you, therefore you can’t criticize the GOP’s generally shitty attitude toward women.”

I really don’t know how anyone can vote Republican and look themselves in the mirror any more.

I want to hear him explain the logic behind that.

68 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:06:56pm

re: #63 wrenchwench

And corpses, if pregnant.

Or just white. See Terri Schiavo.

69 klys  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:07:38pm

re: #65 Mattand

And speaking of Republicans just going for it regarding party-wide misogyny:

Scarborough: Lewinsky Could Be Fair Game If Hillary Bashes GOP With ‘War On Women’

Looks like Rand got the ball rolling and Morning Joe is falling in line.

“Your husband cheated on you, therefore you can’t criticize the GOP’s generally shitty attitude toward women.”

I really don’t know how anyone can vote Republican and look themselves in the mirror any more.

What goes unsaid there is “your husband cheated on you (and therefore you must be a shitty wife/woman) and therefore your criticisms on anyone else’s shitty attitudes towards women are invalid.” Because of course Bill wouldn’t have strayed if he was getting what he needed at home.

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70 dog philosopher  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:07:44pm

re: #64 GeneJockey

This. It’s about moralism and their discomfort with women’s sexuality.

Women shouldn’t have abortions because they should refrain from having sex. They shouldn’t need contraception because they should refrain from having sex. They shouldn’t have children out of wedlock because they should refrain from having sex. They shouldn’t need foodstamps to feed their children because they should refrain from having sex. They shouldn’t need childcare because they should refrain from having sex.

except themselves

The other policy things, like favoring investors over workers is because they worship business owners and think any worker who doesn’t own a business is a lazy fuckoff who deserves whatever crumbs fall trickles down from the business owner’s table.

except themselves

71 Mattand  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:08:04pm

re: #67 GeneJockey

I want to hear him explain the logic behind that.

I wouldn’t. This would be the result:

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72 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:08:51pm

re: #71 Mattand

I wouldn’t. This would be the result:

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Catsup? On Lobster?

73 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:08:54pm

re: #67 GeneJockey

I want to hear him explain the logic behind that.

I bet its something like Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah’nagl fhtagn —- Hillary must be stopped at all costs!!!!!

74 piratedan  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:09:04pm

re: #67 GeneJockey

I want to hear him explain the logic behind that.

logic? when the fuck have Republicans ever needed logic? They just need words, helpfully taken out of context, and 30 seconds of air time to indicate why voting Dem causes disease, loses your job, and puts Satan on the throne forcing us to live a life of perpetual slavery…

75 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:09:19pm

re: #64 GeneJockey

This. It’s about moralism and their discomfort with women’s sexuality.

Women shouldn’t have abortions because they should refrain from having sex. They shouldn’t need contraception because they should refrain from having sex. They shouldn’t have children out of wedlock because they should refrain from having sex. They shouldn’t need foodstamps to feed their children shouldn’t have abortions because they should refrain from having sex. They shouldn’t need childcare shouldn’t have abortions because they should refrain from having sex.

The other policy things, like favoring investors over workers is because they worship business owners and think any worker who doesn’t own a business is a lazy fuckoff who deserves whatever crumbs fall trickles down from the business owner’s table.

I would add one addendum: they believe women shouldn’t be having sex because only men should initiate sex, and express sexual desire, and that a woman’s sexuality exists only in reference to her husband.

76 piratedan  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:09:55pm

re: #69 klys

shorter Scarborough…. “let he who is without sin, cast the first intern”….

77 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:10:09pm

re: #75 The Ghost of a Flea

I would add one addendum: they believe women shouldn’t be having sex because only men should initiate sex, and express sexual desire, and that a woman’s sexuality exists only in reference to her husband.

How quaint patriarchal.

78 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:10:47pm

re: #70 dog philosopher

except themselves

except themselves

And then you have Ross Douthat saying that women lost power in relationships by gaining control over becoming pregnant, and that back when they DIDN’T have that control, they could force a horny, unprepared man to marry them, solving all their problems in one night of passion.

79 TedStriker  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:12:00pm

re: #62 Mattand

He then went on to claim that the Left remains utterly silent when women like Malala Yousafzai are abused and attacked by the Taliban before declaring that “I’m going to be very blunt: the Left tries to win the women’s vote by talking from the waist down.”

Coming from the guy who represents the party trying regulate women from the waist down.

re: #63 wrenchwench

And corpses, if pregnant.

It’s fucking hilarious when RWNJ fucknuts like West try to make the argument that “the Left” panders to women about the freedom of when and how they can use their ladybits, when said RWNJs have no problems that I know of with men using their manbits however they damn well please, whenever they please, the women involved be damned.

Just look at the convergence of modern “conservatives”, modern “libertarians”, and the “men’s rights” activists.

80 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:12:06pm

Don’t get me wrong, this isn’t about female “superiority” or hating men, it’s just life in all its basics. After all, I have sons, a grandson, great-grandsons and love them all. But—

West would be surprised to know that the area below the waist on women is the “command post” for bringing life into the world and women make that decision. West wouldn’t even be here except for his mother doing the same thing women do—having sex, getting pregnant and having the baby. Did that make her a slut? Wasn’t that her decision to have him? She could have chosen differently. And isn’t that the real point they’re trying to make? That they resent that kind of natural power? That they don’t have the real power that women do in bringing human life into the world, or not, to have that choice? Women are not a monolithic group who do everything the same way—we’re individuals and we make our own choices.

Thus, they must try to control our bodies. It’s just part of their fascist outlook on life, that people must be controlled.

Will these stupid bastards ever learn?

81 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:12:36pm

re: #69 klys

What goes unsaid there is “your husband cheated on you (and therefore you must be a shitty wife/woman) and therefore your criticisms on anyone else’s shitty attitudes towards women are invalid.” Because of course Bill wouldn’t have strayed if he was getting what he needed at home.

///////////////////

I really want to see if the GOP has the balls to criticize her for his actions. There was more than one “conservative” voice back during the scandal giving her hell about not kicking him to the curb, because a “real woman” wouldn’t have stayed married to him for cheating on her.

82 Kragar  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:13:06pm
83 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:13:08pm

I just want to say that, as a heterosexual male, I have something of an obsession with lady bits. The difference between me and the GOP is that I see those lady bits as attached to fully human agents of free will, and it’s not my business to restrict what those fully human agents of free will do with their lady bits or the rest of their humanity.

84 Mattand  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:13:15pm

re: #65 Mattand

And speaking of Republicans just going for it regarding party-wide misogyny:

Scarborough: Lewinsky Could Be Fair Game If Hillary Bashes GOP With ‘War On Women’

Looks like Rand got the ball rolling and Morning Joe is falling in line.

“Your husband cheated on you, therefore you can’t criticize the GOP’s generally shitty attitude toward women.”

I really don’t know how anyone can vote Republican and look themselves in the mirror any more.

Another thought: you’d think that the fact this fucking nitwit is on MSNBC every morning would disabuse people of the idiotic “MSNBC is the same Fox News” meme.

Although, upon further reflection, maybe they’re right: both networks have a gang of babbling conservative idiots on at the ass crack of dawn.

85 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:15:07pm

re: #75 The Ghost of a Flea

I would add one addendum: they believe women shouldn’t be having sex because only men should initiate sex, and express sexual desire, and that a woman’s sexuality exists only in reference to her husband.

But young unmarried men should be getting laid. By whom, it’s not clear, because women should refrain from having sex. Unless they think they should be having sex with women they don’t think deserve any respect, which is just fucking creepy.

86 Kragar  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:15:56pm

Newlyweds go to the barricades in the Ukraine

87 chadu  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:17:32pm

re: #83 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I just want to say that, as a heterosexual male, I have something of an obsession with lady bits. The difference between me and the GOP is that I see those lady bits as attached to fully human agents of free will, and it’s not my business to restrict what those fully human agents of free will do with their lady bits or the rest of their humanity.

For my part, I am willing to be educated by fully human agents of free will about their lady bits, either in lecture or lab sections of the course.

///

;)

88 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:18:57pm

WTFITS? Amnesty? And offering Yatsenyuk the PM job?

89 Petero1818  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:19:27pm

Crazy eyes on CNN right now.

90 Bulworth  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:19:47pm

re: #65 Mattand

Actually this Joe Scar strategery scares me a lot, as a Dem voter. You know what else scares me a lot, if the GOP nominates Ted Cruz for pres. I sure hope the GOP doesn’t proceed to run this kind of campaign with Ted Cruz (or even worse, Ricky Santorum, who I’m also totally afraid of). /

91 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:20:36pm

Not sure the latest “offer” is going to be accepted, either.

92 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:21:59pm

re: #80 Justanotherhuman

Will these stupid bastards ever learn?

No. Because learning would require admitting they are wrong, and they are never, ever wrong about anything.

93 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:22:31pm

re: #88 Justanotherhuman

WTFITS? Amnesty? And offering Yatsenyuk the PM job?

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So they get amnesty only after they’ve given up the ground they’ve already taken. Seriously?

94 Kragar  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:22:32pm

Ukranian Protestor on piano seized from government offices

Youtube Video

95 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:24:17pm

re: #94 Kragar

Ukranian Protestor on piano seized from government offices

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He was also playing in the Ministry of Justice—on a grand. : )

96 kirkspencer  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:24:19pm

re: #49 wrenchwench

This one is good too:

What Rand Paul doesn’t understand about the ‘war on women’

Yeah.

Dear Senator Paul. Generally, when people are wildly wrong about such numbers they are either ignorant or liars. I know you’ve been told the actual numbers. I’m afraid you can no longer be called ignorant.

97 Dr. Matt  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:27:00pm

re: #89 Petero1818

Crazy eyes on CNN right now.

Ben Carson? OSarah bin Palin? Beck? Bachmann?

98 Petero1818  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:28:08pm

Bachmann vs. Bernie Sanders on wage gap. Pretty funny stuff.

99 Kragar  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:29:15pm

re: #95 Justanotherhuman

He was also playing in the Ministry of Justice—on a grand. : )

Different guy I think

Youtube Video

100 Petero1818  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:29:42pm

Bachmann won’t answer any questions on her position. But she keeps trying to drive the dialogue back to Democrat’s “economic war on women”.

101 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:30:31pm

re: #96 kirkspencer

Yeah.

Dear Senator Paul. Generally, when people are wildly wrong about such numbers they are either ignorant or liars. I know you’ve been told the actual numbers. I’m afraid you can no longer be called ignorant.

It’s not important whether or not it’s true. What’s important is that it’s EFFECTIVE. Conservatives will have watched that and said, “Yeah! Women are doing fine. Democrats are stupid. If only women weren’t so stupid, and would listen to what a smart white guy like Rand Paul tells them!”

I really love the idea that they think a MAN condescendingly explaining to WOMEN how they’re wrong about the GOP’s war on women will work.

102 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:30:40pm

re: #91 Justanotherhuman

Not sure the latest “offer” is going to be accepted, either.

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It’s an old tactic that goes back to at least Roman times. Trouble in the colonies? Offer rebel leaders amnesty and titles, fold them into Roman society. Problem solved.

103 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:31:47pm

re: #94 Kragar

Ukranian Protestor on piano seized from government offices

[Embedded content]

Pretty good with mittens.

104 Kragar  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:34:35pm

Got a conference call with a coworker we do once a month, where we run down a list of tasks to double check things and make small talk.

“Man, can you believe all the stuff coming out of the Ukraine?”
“What’s going on with him?”
“No, the country, not a person.”
“I hadn’t heard anything. What happened?
“Are you fucking with me?”
“No, I watch the news every night but haven’t seen anything.”
“Go to Google, search for Kiev, switch to images and look at the last 24 hours.
“Ok, let me… What the fuck is going on? How is this not on every station?”

105 jaunte  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:35:05pm

re: #89 Petero1818

Crazy eyes on CNN right now.

My first thought was “which one?”

106 dog philosopher  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:35:37pm

re: #94 Kragar

Ukranian Protestor on piano seized from government offices

surrealist filmmakers have been alerted

107 kirkspencer  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:37:54pm

re: #101 GeneJockey

It’s not important whether or not it’s true. What’s important is that it’s EFFECTIVE. Conservatives will have watched that and said, “Yeah! Women are doing fine. Democrats are stupid. If only women weren’t so stupid, and would listen to what a smart white guy like Rand Paul tells them!”

I really love the idea that they think a MAN condescendingly explaining to WOMEN how they’re wrong about the GOP’s war on women will work.

See, it’s not effective if the only people hooting and hollering, “Yeah” are the ones who wouldn’t change their minds anyway. And it’s not effective if some people, mostly women, look around at the hooting and hollering and quietly decide maybe they need to vote D.

Which happened last time and looks likely to happen this time.

The funny thing about democracy is regardless of passion and purity, your vote is still just one vote.

108 Petero1818  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:38:42pm

The GOP doesn’t seem to understand that by even discussing the “war on women” they lose the argument. Its one of those things that they cannot even debate without outright lying. In doing so they are not changing anyone’s mind on the issue rather they are bolstering their base and further alienating those they are trying to win over. It is like a bad joke already. At some point you would expect the strategic minds within the party to put a stop to it.

109 blueraven  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:39:19pm

re: #94 Kragar

Ukranian Protestor on piano seized from government offices

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Shit will make you cry.

110 jaunte  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:39:29pm

re: #108 Petero1818

Reince Priebus will put his foot down any minute now.

111 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:41:07pm

Later, lizards.

112 ObserverArt  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:41:35pm

Joke Scarborough should be the last person to say anything regarding any war on women, interns and family values. The dude has all kinds of question regarding an intern which may have forced him out of office and is now divorced twice. He treats his co-host Mika like crap and it is pretty easy to see why he gets divorces.

I gave that fucker a chance when I happened to catch his show during the budget crisis. At that time he was down of the Republicans pretty much and it gave me a false sense of his being reasonable. Since that time, I find him to be a pathetic preppy unable to act his age and a total excuse maker for anything republic and for his own actions. He also seems to have a real keen hatred for Obama and I think it must have something to do with the fact Obama is President and Joke is not.

By the way, I understand Thomas Roberts has to sit in at Morning Joke from time to time. Has he slashed his wrists yet? I cannot see him and Joke ever getting along at all, and I can’t see Roberts playing along. That has got to be an uneasy situation on so many counts.

113 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:41:58pm

re: #104 Kragar

Got a conference call with a coworker we do once a month, where we run down a list of tasks to double check things and make small talk.

“Man, can you believe all the stuff coming out of the Ukraine?”
“What’s going on with him?”
“No, the country, not a person.”
“I hadn’t heard anything. What happened?
“Are you fucking with me?”
“No, I watch the news every night but haven’t seen anything.”
“Go to Google, search for Kiev, switch to images and look at the last 24 hours.
“Ok, let me… What the fuck is going on? How is this not on every station?”

I bet he knows everything about what’s going on with Justin Bieber via the news.

114 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:42:11pm

re: #99 Kragar

Different guy I think

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That wasn’t the MoJ anyway, it was the Ukrainian House. My memory is becoming shot to hell. So much information, so little space left. : )

115 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:42:48pm

re: #107 kirkspencer

See, it’s not effective if the only people hooting and hollering, “Yeah” are the ones who wouldn’t change their minds anyway. And it’s not effective if some people, mostly women, look around at the hooting and hollering and quietly decide maybe they need to vote D.

Which happened last time and looks likely to happen this time.

The funny thing about democracy is regardless of passion and purity, your vote is still just one vote.

The GOP controls the House, and is within spitting distance of controlling the Senate. They also control the lion’s share of state houses - even in solidly blue states - which solidified their control over the House and allows some truly despicable legislation to pass.

It is effective, even if only preaching to the choir, if it motivates the choir to go out and vote when everyone else doesn’t.

116 The War TARDIS  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:42:52pm

re: #112 ObserverArt

Not only that, but wasn’t their a dead intern?

117 ObserverArt  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:43:53pm

re: #100 Petero1818

Bachmann won’t answer any questions on her position. But she keeps trying to drive the dialogue back to Democrat’s “economic war on women”.

All she knows is crazy talk. A real fact or bit of knowledge would cause her to implode. She cannot be out of office soon enough.

118 Petero1818  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:47:03pm

So one of my colleague’s assistants is a Ukranian woman who came to Toronto 7 or 8 years ago. I know she still has family and friends in Ukraine so I was asking her what she thought about what was going on, and how her family and freinds are doing. She told me she spoke to 3 people in Kiev over the weekend and all said the same thing. They said, outside of a couple of blocks in the city, you wouldn’t know anything was going on at all. Business as usual, and their lives not currently impacted in any way.

119 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:49:09pm

WTFITS.
I searched for “12 Years A Slave” on Amazon and this fucking shit appeared in the “recommendations”

WARNING: If you click on it, you will have to remove it from your Amazon browsing history. Or you can write a hilarious review.

120 ObserverArt  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:50:35pm

re: #116 The War TARDIS

Not only that, but wasn’t their a dead intern?

That is the intern I was mentioning, yes. He seemed to slide out of all that with the help of local Florida police and the coroner. But what is telling, soon after he gave up his seat as a Republican Representative. Something stinks real bad about all that.

What I would pay to see a real bulldog type news person go after him on so much of his crap. Too bad all we seem to have any more are Chuck Todds, David Gregorys, Tucker Carlsons and all the other softballer, excuse makers. What a lame group our media is.

That is a large part of all the stuff we discuss here. We no longer hold anyone’s feet to the fire therefore they can float all kinds of talkspeak and get away with the politics and covering for the rich they all do.

121 Kid A  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:54:23pm

re: #117 ObserverArt

All she knows is crazy talk. A real fact or bit of knowledge would cause her to implode. She cannot be out of office soon enough.

122 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:54:38pm

re: #119 Pie-onist Overlord

That bilge at Amazon has a rating of 4.7 out of 5 with 233 reviews.

I knew Amazon reviewers as a group tend to be idiots, but this level of mindlessness is still unexpected.

123 The War TARDIS  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:00:20pm

re: #119 Pie-onist Overlord

I do this how? Deleting it from history.

124 b_sharp  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:00:35pm

re: #121 Kid A

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Did you have to?

125 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:01:30pm
126 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:01:40pm

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127 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:18:47pm

We’ll soon be set up with HTTPS access here at LGF, so we can ensure better security for sign-ins and other stuff, and also work better with other sites that are increasingly starting to use SSL by default.

It’s a bit expensive to get a really good trusted SSL certificate, but this is becoming the baseline for a professional site, and I’ve wanted to do it for a while. Time to make the jump.

128 Lidane  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:18:50pm

Rebranding!

129 A Mom Anon  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:21:24pm

re: #128 Lidane

Yeah, it’s just exactly like that. Sigh. Honest to gawd, every single one of these nitwits needs to be forced back into high school and read some fucking history books (and not the ones made for Texas schools).

130 A Mom Anon  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:22:42pm

re: #123 The War TARDIS

Your amazon account has a place where you can check your browsing history and erase it. It should be on your particular amazon home page for your account.

131 A Mom Anon  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:23:20pm

Husband is home, time for dinner. Later lizards.

132 klys  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:24:45pm

Hooray, I have successfully implemented a recursive algorithm to calculate the edit distance between two words.

Now for the rest of the assignment.

133 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:25:05pm

It’s good news but is it good enough? They may still want Yanukovych to resign.

134 dog philosopher  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:25:18pm

fox top lede today

PART OF A PATTERN? Feds accused
of singling out conservatives

FOLLOWING THE ARREST OF FILMMAKER DINESH D’SOUZA, shown above, who made an anti-President Obama film, federal agencies and prosecutors once again are facing accusations of going tougher on conservatives than their liberal counterparts.
VIDEO: Are charges against Dinesh D’Souza politically motivated?

MARIHUANA: THREAT OR MENACE???

135 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:26:36pm

re: #128 Lidane

Rebranding!

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One can always tell when elections are coming up; the “Silly Season” begins, and with the RWNJ’s at least, they amp up the stupid.

136 Chrysicat  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:27:04pm

re: #130 A Mom Anon

Can you erase just the one item, or does your entire history have to go?

Oh, well, that’s why I viewed it in my spare Internet browser, anyway—to avoid it latching onto my history over on Chrome…

137 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:27:53pm

SSL stands for “Secure Sockets Layer” which is a cryptic way of saying the information is encrypted end-to-end — in other words, while being transferred over the web.

So while your data’s on the way back and forth to LGF, it will be protected with very strong public/private key encryption.

138 klys  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:28:31pm

re: #136 Chrysicat

Can you erase just the one item, or does your entire history have to go?

Oh, well, that’s why I viewed it in my spare Internet browser, anyway—to avoid it latching onto my history over on Chrome…

You can delete an individual item.

139 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:28:36pm

re: #133 NJDhockeyfan

It’s good news but is it good enough? They may still want Yanukovych to resign.

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Don’t think that will do it. They also want the Berkut disbanded, also, among other demands. Rough translation on Google:

“The relevant statement of the People’s Council, adopted on 27 January and signed by members of the Presidium of the People’s Council Vitali Klitschko , Oleg Tyahnybok Arseniy Yatsenyukom states that “Berkut ” is a criminal organization . This UNN to the press service of “Homeland .” ” Given the numerous violations of the Constitution of Ukraine , laws of Ukraine and internal instructions , the systematic abuse of power , inadequate use of force , including brutal torture and beating peaceful protesters , journalists, doctors, murders of citizens of Ukraine MIA special unit ” Berkut ” , doing the will of the Ukrainian people , which is the only source of power in Ukraine , making an important first step for the radical transformation of oppressive interior on true democratic European body protecting the rights and freedoms of the people , the National Council of Ukraine resolves: Recognize the Interior Ministry special unit “Berkut” criminal organization , whose members are constantly violated Ukrainian legislation and have been implicated in the cynical crimes against its own people. Eliminate the Interior Ministry special unit “Berkut” as one that is out of legislation of Ukraine. To call the soldiers and commanders ” Berkut “, have not been seen in crimes against human rights and freedoms , to lay down arms and go to the side of the Ukrainian people. Declare them amnesty and ensure personal safety , “- said in a statement .”

Read more here : expres.ua

140 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:29:03pm

re: #134 dog philosopher

fox top lede today

PART OF A PATTERN? Feds accused
of singling out conservatives

FOLLOWING THE ARREST OF FILMMAKER DINESH D’SOUZA, shown above, who made an anti-President Obama film, federal agencies and prosecutors once again are facing accusations of going tougher on conservatives than their liberal counterparts.
VIDEO: Are charges against Dinesh D’Souza politically motivated?

MARIHUANA: THREAT OR MENACE???

Aren’t these the ‘Rule of Law’ folks? You know, we can’t let the undocumented immigrants who were brought here as children become citizens because the law was broken? But Dinesh D’Souza breaking the law shouldn’t be prosecuted?

141 jaunte  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:29:34pm

Billionaire, too poor to buy clue.

142 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:30:47pm
143 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:32:14pm

re: #141 jaunte

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Billionaire, too poor to buy clue.

Josh Marshall had a good take on this.

144 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:33:26pm

re: #136 Chrysicat

Can you erase just the one item, or does your entire history have to go?

Oh, well, that’s why I viewed it in my spare Internet browser, anyway—to avoid it latching onto my history over on Chrome…

Go to the “Your Account” page on Amazon, find the “Personalization” box at the bottom, click “View and edit your browsing history” and you can select which items to keep and which to delete.

145 dog philosopher  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:33:42pm

re: #140 GeneJockey

Aren’t these the ‘Rule of Law’ folks?

except themselves

146 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:35:22pm

By the way, this new HTTPS support will also stop the NSA from eavesdropping on who you’re up/down-dinging.

147 Lidane  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:36:55pm
148 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:37:06pm
149 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:37:13pm

WTFITS
“Blowtorch Rapist” strikes again in Detroit.

We are so fucked.

150 Kragar  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:37:35pm

re: #146 Charles Johnson

By the way, this new HTTPS support will also stop the NSA from eavesdropping on who you’re up/down-dinging.

I’ve always been concerned about that.

151 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:37:44pm

re: #145 dog philosopher

except themselves

Ah. American Exceptionalism strikes again.

152 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:38:03pm

re: #146 Charles Johnson

Will it stop Snowwald from snooping our updings/downdings?

153 dog philosopher  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:38:03pm

re: #146 Charles Johnson

By the way, this new HTTPS support will also stop the NSA from eavesdropping on who you’re up/down-dinging.

i have only one ding to down for my country

154 Lidane  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:41:46pm

re: #148 Charles Johnson

155 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:42:31pm

Oh, no, wait. I forgot, the NSA has supposedly installed backdoors in SSL and we’re basically all doomed to a hellish surveillance-scape of nightmarish privacy violations.

156 Kragar  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:43:19pm

re: #154 Lidane

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157 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:45:24pm

re: #148 Charles Johnson

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It’s when the NSA can get into the game and play it against you that I’ll worry.

Besides, I have a dumbphone. I think maybe I can play Pong on it.

158 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:45:24pm

re: #155 Charles Johnson

Oh, no, wait. I forgot, the NSA has supposedly installed backdoors in SSL and we’re basically all doomed to a hellish surveillance-scape of nightmarish privacy violations.

Image: well-were-boned.jpg

159 Kragar  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:47:07pm

FUCK YOU LOUISIANA!

160 blueraven  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:48:05pm

Fox News

The president is done
His term is officially over
His agenda is doomed
His words are empty
He should just shutup and sit down now

161 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:48:14pm

re: #155 Charles Johnson

Oh, no, wait. I forgot, the NSA has supposedly installed backdoors in SSL and we’re basically all doomed to a hellish surveillance-scape of nightmarish privacy violations.

While I don’t believe they did that, the mechanism for such a thing exists. Reading Ken Thompson’s Turing Award Lecture “Reflections on Trusting Trust” once a year would be good for many IT people.

162 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:48:56pm

re: #159 Kragar

FUCK YOU LOUISIANA!

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When it gets in front of SCOTUS, most likely, it’ll be found unconstitutional.

163 Kragar  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:48:58pm
164 Lidane  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:49:25pm

re: #159 Kragar

30 DAYS? What the absolute fuck?

There is no way, no how that it stays legal. It’s another trap bill. If a court says that 30 days is ridiculous but 1-3 days is OK they still win.

165 Kragar  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:49:28pm

re: #162 Dr Lizardo

When it gets in front of SCOTUS, most likely, it’ll be found unconstitutional.

In the mean time, GET THE FUCK OUT OF LOUISIANA!

166 ObserverArt  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:50:35pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

SSL stands for “Secure Sockets Layer” which is a cryptic way of saying the information is encrypted end-to-end — in other words, while being transferred over the web.

So while your data’s on the way back and forth to LGF, it will be protected with very strong public/private key encryption.

Who you looking to go with for the license? I bought a Comodo license for a small web store. It wasn’t too bad price wise. Verisign is good, but overpriced. Way overpriced and now owned and controlled by Symantec, the kings of heavy-handed security.

167 Lidane  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:50:39pm

re: #162 Dr Lizardo

When it gets in front of SCOTUS, most likely, it’ll be found unconstitutional.

Yeah, but that’s the point. SCOTUS could say that 30 days is unconstitutional, but there’s nothing wrong with “reasonable” delays. It’s still a trap. They wrote a bill they KNEW was unconstitutional on its face to figure out where the line exists.

168 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:50:43pm

re: #165 Kragar

In the mean time, GET THE FUCK OUT OF LOUISIANA!

I expect to see more of these kind of “Hail Mary” sort of things (no pun intended) as the RWNJ’s power and influence in the national dialogue begins to wane.

169 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:51:00pm

re: #167 Lidane

Yeah, but that’s the point. SCOTUS could say that 30 days is unconstitutional, but there’s nothing wrong with “reasonable” delays. It’s still a trap. They wrote a bill they KNEW was unconstitutional on its face to figure out where the line exists.

Good point.

170 Weet  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:51:33pm

In preparation for incoming Derp after tomorrow night, here’s the count of executive orders per President.
Executive Orders by President

171 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:52:08pm

My worst case speculation about the WV shootings has come to pass…
The new neighbor and his brother who were shot & killed were African-American.

**very heavy sigh**

wsaz.com

172 Dr. Matt  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:53:22pm

ESPN is more desperate than Fox to make Tebow into something he isn’t…..

173 ObserverArt  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:53:33pm

re: #155 Charles Johnson

Oh, no, wait. I forgot, the NSA has supposedly installed backdoors in SSL and we’re basically all doomed to a hellish surveillance-scape of nightmarish privacy violations.

Wave and smile!

174 b_sharp  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:53:53pm

re: #166 ObserverArt

Who you looking to go with for the license? I bought a Comodo license for a small web store. It wasn’t too bad price wise. Verisign is good, but overpriced. Way overpriced and now owned and controlled by Symantec, the kings of heavy-handed security.

Godaddy has decent prices.

175 Lidane  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:54:53pm

re: #172 Dr. Matt

ESPN is more desperate than Fox to make Tebow into something he isn’t…..

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ROFL. The only way Tebow could lead this Broncos team to the Super Bowl is if he was driving the team bus.

176 Kragar  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:56:13pm
177 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:56:41pm

re: #167 Lidane

Yeah, but that’s the point. SCOTUS could say that 30 days is unconstitutional, but there’s nothing wrong with “reasonable” delays. It’s still a trap. They wrote a bill they KNEW was unconstitutional on its face to figure out where the line exists.

It’s about getting a case before SCOTUS that forces a rethink on RvW. To serve up a case that guys like Scalia and Thomas can argue that the decision on the legality of abortion lies with the states.

178 Dr. Matt  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:56:56pm

re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth

My worst case speculation about the WV shootings has come to pass…
The new neighbor and his brother who were shot & killed were African-American.

**very heavy sigh**

wsaz.com

Now the RWNJs have yet another gun fetishist hero to defend.

179 ObserverArt  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 3:58:33pm

re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth

My worst case speculation about the WV shootings has come to pass…
The new neighbor and his brother who were shot & killed were African-American.

**very heavy sigh**

wsaz.com

Well, that certainly paints a different picture. Was that not in initial reporting, or did the reporters/papers/sites know that was gonna be a powder keg considering Travon Mrrtin, the guy getting mowed down by the cops that was in the accident (can’t remember details right off) and they young lady getting shot through the screen door?

180 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:00:33pm

re: #179 ObserverArt

Well, that certainly paints a different picture. Was that not in initial reporting, or did the reporters/papers/sites know that was gonna be a powder keg considering Travon Mrrtin, the guy getting mowed down by the cops that was in the accident (can’t remember details right off) and they young lady getting shot through the screen door?

This information is brand new. The brothers were identified this morning.

181 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:00:37pm

re: #176 Kragar

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Yeah, the comments would work great as an ipecac. You have to be suffering some serious testosterone poisoning to read any of that and nod along.

182 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:01:49pm

re: #163 Kragar

The day after a stupid ban on abortion in the 8th month is passed to appease RW extremists, they’ll go for a waiting period of 10 months.

So my position these days is very simple —- no laws specifically relating to abortion at all.

183 ObserverArt  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:02:06pm

re: #174 b_sharp

Godaddy has decent prices.

Yes they do. But I have had issues dealing with GoDaddy techs. I admit, that they may be different now as I think they were bought out from Bob Parsons. I got into quite the dust-up with them over email broadcasting. I come to find out they were using a lot of really out-of-date server technology and their techs knew less than I did, which at that time was pretty shocking. So, I am a bit shy on them.

184 Kragar  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:02:38pm
185 Kragar  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:03:50pm

re: #182 EPR-radar

The day after a stupid ban on abortion in the 8th month is passed to appease RW extremists, they’ll go for a waiting period of 10 months.

So my position these days is very simple —- no laws specifically relating to abortion at all.

The day every woman has free access to 100% reliable birth control, then we can talk about limiting abortions.

Until then, its got to be an option

186 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:04:21pm

re: #161 William Barnett-Lewis

Oh, fun! I didn’t realize PDF’s did that.

187 ObserverArt  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:04:56pm

Dr. Matt, What caused a down ding on a general question posed in #179? Seems rather odd, I wasn’t making any statement that should be agree- or disagreeable.

188 Dr. Matt  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:06:19pm

re: #187 ObserverArt

Dr. Matt, What caused a down ding on a general question posed in #179? Seems rather odd, I wasn’t making any statement that should be agree- or disagreeable.

Oops. Errant clicky click. Sorry about that.

189 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:06:21pm

re: #178 Dr. Matt

Now the RWNJs have yet another gun fetishist hero to defend.

And of course we’re the REAL racists for even suggesting that race may have played a role, but since young black men are mostly thugs it’s completely justified to shoot them.
/

190 b_sharp  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:06:22pm

re: #183 ObserverArt

Yes they do. But I have had issues dealing with GoDaddy techs. I admit, that they may be different now as I think they were bought out from Bob Parsons. I got into quite the dust-up with them over email broadcasting. I come to find out they wee using a lot of really out-of-date server technology and their techs knew less than I did, which at that time was pretty shocking. So, I am a bit shy on them.

I use their certs on a few email servers.

191 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:06:31pm
192 Lidane  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:07:31pm
193 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:08:55pm

re: #192 Lidane

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Millions Hundreds of Billions for defense, but not one cent for tribute hungry poor people!

194 Dr. Matt  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:09:01pm

If this happened in just about any other state, I imagine their race would have been reported much sooner. I’m actually quite surprised; it didn’t even pop-up on my RADAR as a possibility at this point.

195 klys  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:09:05pm

Youtube Video

The greatest thing on the Internet ever.

196 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:09:42pm

Can someone make a map of the states we’re not supposed to fuck in? This is getting confusing.

197 freetoken  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:10:43pm

In which one of the giants (*cough*) of right wing pseudo-intellectuals, Rod Dreher, embrace genetic racist Steve Sailer:

Evolution & The Culture War

[… includes an extensive quote of Sailer writing on evolution…]

As Sailer points out, it is perfectly possible to reconcile the spiritual and moral equality of humanity with what science tells us is true about human biological variability. […]

Also, I wrote a while back about the importance of maintaining the concept of forbidden knowledge, that is, things that can be known but should not be known because of what we are likely to do with that knowledge. Unless you believe that plans for building atomic bombs and how to poison a city’s water supply with ricin should be distributed freely on the Internet, then you too believe in the concept of forbidden knowledge. If you believe the government has no right to vacuum up your private information, then you believe that some things shouldn’t be known because of what use we are likely to make of the power that knowledge gives us. My point is simply that all of us believe that some facts are too dangerous to be known; they are like the Ring Of Power, in that the temptation to abuse them is too great for our natures to bear.

Admittedly, this puts me in a tight spot. Am I saying that we should ignore reality? I suppose I am. One of the things that keeps drawing me to Steve Sailer’s writing is that his beliefs on human biodiversity sometimes lead him to point out inconvenient truths about ideologies informing our common life. I don’t read him often enough to say for sure, but I take Sailer’s general viewpoint to be that many of our contemporary follies are due to our ideological inability to face the scientific facts of human biodiversity. Though I’m a theist, and therefore one who believes that all life is ultimately of divine origin, I also believe that evolution is the best available explanation for how life in all its diversity came to be. I don’t see how evolution could be right and Sailer be wrong. I like reading Sailer because he forces me to see things I would often prefer not to see.

[…]

At the rate that masks are falling, there won’t be many left by the 2016 election.

198 sagehen  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:11:52pm

re: #35 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!1!!! ALL TEH BLAHS USED TO BE REPUBLICANS UNTIL TEH DEMOCRATS BOUGHT THEM WITH TEH WELFARES!!!11 Republicans stopped being the more liberal of the parties!!!!!!

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fixt

199 freetoken  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:12:09pm

What possible ground could a religionist and a materialist have in common?

Oh… them.

200 Kragar  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:12:33pm

re: #196 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Can someone make a map of the states we’re not supposed to fuck in? This is getting confusing.

Pretty much steer clear of any state which lost in the Civil War.

201 ObserverArt  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:12:37pm

re: #188 Dr. Matt

Oops. Errant clicky click. Sorry about that.

I kinda figured that. No problem.

202 b_sharp  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:13:10pm

re: #197 freetoken

In which one of the giants (*cough*) of right wing pseudo-intellectuals, Rod Dreher, embrace genetic racist Steve Sailer:

Evolution & The Culture War

At the rate that masks are falling, there won’t be many left by the 2016 election.

Another bullshit race realist.

203 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:13:16pm

re: #149 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS
“Blowtorch Rapist” strikes again in Detroit.

We are so fucked.

He’s been arrested. Bravo to that woman who did what she had to do.

detroit.cbslocal.com

204 thedopefishlives  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:14:08pm

Evening Lizardim from the bitterly cold and windy wild north country. How go things out there on the other side of the polar vortex?

205 klys  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:15:09pm

re: #204 thedopefishlives

Evening Lizardim from the bitterly cold and windy wild north country. How go things out there on the other side of the polar vortex?

THERE IS AN 80% CHANCE OF PRECIPITATION ON THURSDAY!!!

Ahem.

void* is bad.

206 Kragar  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:15:19pm

re: #204 thedopefishlives

Evening Lizardim from the bitterly cold and windy wild north country. How go things out there on the other side of the polar vortex?

Sunny and 69 outside

207 thedopefishlives  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:16:12pm

re: #205 klys

THERE IS AN 80% CHANCE OF PRECIPITATION ON THURSDAY!!!

Ahem.

void* is bad.

There is nothing wrong with void* if you know how to abuse it. goto, on the other hand, is the spawn of Stan and must be destroyed.

208 Lidane  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:16:26pm

I’m sure there’s derp out there about this, but it’s hidden by the RWNJ focus on the Grammy Awards and their mass wedding:

209 sagehen  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:16:29pm

re: #37 Pie-onist Overlord

If Republicans believe it’s so easy to “buy” African-American votes, why don’t they? They have enough money!

Because the price isn’t money.

It’s acknowledgement of their full citizenship, and equal rights. That’s more than Republicans can scrape up.

210 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:18:46pm

re: #200 Kragar

Pretty much steer clear of any state which lost in the Civil War.

Yeah. Funny about that.

211 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:19:44pm

6-8” of snow tomorrow, starting at around 10am. High of 27.

Needless to say, good day to stay inside.

212 freetoken  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:21:59pm

In light of this:

There Are 14 States Where Taxpayer Money is Being Used to Teach Creationism

We have this:

Senator to Propose School Vouchers Program

Senator Lamar Alexander, Republican of Tennessee who served as secretary of education under President George Bush, plans to introduce a bill on Tuesday that would give 11 million children from low-income families federal dollars to spend on any kind of schooling they choose, as long as it is in an accredited institution.

[…]

and this:

Sen. Ted Cruz and Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee Rally for School Choice

Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) joined thousands gathered in support of school choice in Houston, Texas on Saturday. The event helped kickoff National School Choice Week, a yearly event that seeks to spotlight educational freedom.

213 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:22:38pm

re: #206 Kragar

Sunny and 69 outside

Yesterday I wore a short sleeve jersey and no leg or arm warmers on my ride and was very comfortable.

Until I hit God’s Own Pothole at 35 mph and converted my Quick-Link into a Quick-UNlink, the chain fell off, and I had to make the Call Of Shame. Right up till then, it was all going great!

214 Kragar  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:28:25pm

German Olympic team decided to send a big “FUCK YOU” to Russia

216 thedopefishlives  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:31:36pm

re: #214 Kragar

German Olympic team decided to send a big “FUCK YOU” to Russia

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One would assume that Germany, of all the nations in the world, would know best that Russia is a country with which one does not fuck.

217 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:33:02pm

re: #215 Pie-onist Overlord

This idiot thinks Tom Perkins is right.

RedState, happy home of the 20 or so wing nuts in the US that remain capable of forming coherent sentences.

218 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:35:11pm

re: #206 Kragar

Sunny and 69 outside

Just got the call from the school district - 6th day off this year due to cold weather (wind chill worse than -40 degrees F/C) Bletch. After a weekend freezing at winter camp. Double bletch.

I want winter to be over so I can grab my rifles and spend a day at the range just making empty brass to reload and be able to find it all.

219 b_sharp  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:35:32pm

re: #205 klys

A pointer to a null?

220 klys  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:36:31pm

re: #219 b_sharp

A pointer to a null?

Generics.

Which you generally have to cast into what you think you’re supposed to be getting.

221 thedopefishlives  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:37:11pm

re: #220 klys

Generics.

Which you generally have to cast into what you think you’re supposed to be getting.

Thank the Source for C++ and run-time type identification.

222 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:39:03pm

This really makes me wonder: Are NC Republican deliberately trying to sabotage the food stamp and Medicaid programs here?

Feds: NC in danger of losing food stamp money

wral.com

In a sternly worded letter issued Thursday, the U.S. Department of Agriculture gave state Health and Human Services Secretary Aldona Wos until Feb. 10 to meet three key milestones, including completing all benefits applications pending for more than 90 days. If the state fails, the $88 million in federal funding the state receives annually to manage its food stamp program could be terminated on March 12.

(snip)

North Carolina has struggled to process benefits applications since DHHS issued a faulty software update last summer to its new NC FAST computer system, which was supposed to streamline the process for applying and receiving government social services benefits. As a result, charities and food banks across the state have seen a surge in requests for help from those going hungry.

(snip)

The state agency also is still working through problems with the Medicaid billing system called NC Tracks that came online in July. At the start of 2014, the agency sent Medicaid cards for nearly 49,000 children to the wrong addresses — potentially costing the state millions in federal fines for exposing private medical information.

NC HHS Secy Aldona Wos is incompetent and should be fired. She never had the qualifications for the job anyway—it was a gift for services rendered from the RNC.

223 dog philosopher  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:39:27pm

re: #219 b_sharp

A pointer to a null?

void*

a void pointer is not the same as a null pointer - it’s a pointer variable with no data type specified for it to point to. therefore the address of a variable of any data type can be cast to it

that makes it extra dangerous

224 klys  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:39:45pm

re: #221 thedopefishlives

Thank the Source for C++ and run-time type identification.

Yes, well.

/grouch

This week’s program is to write a spellchecker. I have finished the edit distance function and have the program currently set up to invoke it on two words and tell me the edit distance between them (number of characters that must be added, transformed, or deleted to produce the same string).

My favorite invoke at the moment is ./spellcheck hello hell.

225 dog philosopher  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:41:20pm

by the way, windoze programmers NOW HEAR THIS

win8 does not use system path variables the same way as previous windozeses

226 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:41:40pm

re: #221 thedopefishlives

Thank the Source for C++ and run-time type identification.

LISP. Why mess with C++ when you can use the language of God?

Youtube Video

227 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:42:05pm

re: #225 dog philosopher

by the way, windoze programmers NOW HEAR THIS

win8 does not use system path variables the same way as previous windozeses

How many person-years is this little change going to cost, I wonder.

228 dog philosopher  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:43:01pm

re: #224 klys

This week’s program is to write a spellchecker

are you using sound-alike matching to get likely candidates, and if so, what algorithm(s) are you using?

229 thedopefishlives  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:44:03pm

re: #226 William Barnett-Lewis

LISP. Why mess with C++ when you can use the language of God?

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xkcd.com

230 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:44:07pm

re: #225 dog philosopher

by the way, windoze programmers NOW HEAR THIS

win8 does not use system path variables the same way as previous windozeses

O_O

Holy crap I’m glad I don’t program for that mess any more.

231 klys  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:45:03pm

re: #228 dog philosopher

are you using sound-alike matching to get likely candidates, and if so, what algorithm(s) are you using?

Edit distance, ala Levenshtein. The added stipulation is that it has to be recursive.

I refuse to look up anything about this stuff until the assignment is done because the CS department accounts for roughly half the honor code violations and I take a better safe than sorry approach.

232 thedopefishlives  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:45:07pm

re: #225 dog philosopher

by the way, windoze programmers NOW HEAR THIS

win8 does not use system path variables the same way as previous windozeses

Ah, Windows. Where “backward compatibility” means “only if that backwardness is used by Microsoft, otherwise we’ll throw it out as soon as we possibly can”.

233 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:46:23pm

re: #229 thedopefishlives

xkcd.com

Oh, that is exquisite. Not sure how I missed that one :D

That is _almost_ as good as the angular momentum one … xkcd.com

234 dog philosopher  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:47:27pm

re: #231 klys

Edit distance, ala Levenshtein. The added stipulation is that it has to be recursive.

I refuse to look up anything about this stuff until the assignment is done because the CS department accounts for roughly half the honor code violations and I take a better safe than sorry approach.

levenshtein distance is a wonderful example of the elegance of the really inspired dynamic programming algorithms

235 thedopefishlives  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:48:14pm

re: #233 William Barnett-Lewis

Oh, that is exquisite. Not sure how I missed that one :D

That is _almost_ as good as the angular momentum one … xkcd.com

I read xkcd religiously. Randall Munroe is awesome. And it doesn’t hurt that he likes LISP, one of my all-time favorite programming languages. Elegant weapons for a more … civilized age.

236 klys  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:48:17pm

re: #234 dog philosopher

levenshtein distance is a wonderful example of the elegance of the really inspired dynamic programming algorithms

Dynamic programming was specifically disallowed.

Although the recursive implementation has its own elegance, as long as you don’t mind exponential runtime…

237 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:49:07pm

Pro-animal groups appeal to pope over dove attack

Animal rights groups on Monday appealed to Pope Francis to end the practice of releasing doves from a Vatican window overlooking St. Peter’s Square, a day after a pair of the peace symbols were attacked by a seagull and crow while a crowd including thousands of children watched below.

The National Animal Protection Agency published an open letter Monday reminding Francis that domesticated doves are easy prey for predators like gulls.

Gulls nest atop the colonnade of St. Peter’s Square, near the Tiber River, and scavenge for garbage in Rome

. The animal protection agency, known as ENPA, said freeing doves in Rome is like “condemning them to certain death.”

How about controlling the gull population and allowing some of the native birds to return? Attn Hippies: Unless you live on the coast or a garbage dump gulls do not count as native wildlife.

238 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:50:41pm

re: #235 thedopefishlives

I read xkcd religiously. Randall Munroe is awesome. And it doesn’t hurt that he likes LISP, one of my all-time favorite programming languages. Elegant weapons for a more … civilized age.

That was the one I expected when I saw the XKCD link ;)

239 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:53:03pm

Congressional efforts for more Iran sanctions have been downgraded to a strongly worded letter (which will probably be vetoed anyways)
Iran sanctions push stalls, U.S. lawmakers mull weaker measure

An attempt to impose new sanctions on Iran over its nuclear program has stalled in the U.S. Congress and lawmakers are discussing whether to introduce a much weaker measure, congressional aides said on Monday.

Members of the Senate and House of Representatives are considering a non-binding resolution that expresses concern about Iran’s nuclear ambitions and calls for negotiators to set strict conditions in talks between Tehran and world powers.

240 dog philosopher  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:53:18pm

re: #236 klys

Dynamic programming was specifically disallowed.

Although the recursive implementation has its own elegance, as long as you don’t mind exponential runtime…

levenshtein distance is dynamic programming, and also recursive

it’s dynamic programming since it “memo-izes” to keep track of the total number of inserts, deletes, and transpositions

241 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:53:20pm

re: #237 Killgore Trout

Pro-animal groups appeal to pope over dove attack

. The animal protection agency, known as ENPA, said freeing doves in Rome is like “condemning them to certain death.”

How about controlling the gull population and allowing some of the native birds to return? Attn Hippies: Unless you live on the coast or a garbage dump gulls do not count as native wildlife.

Hippies and doves in Mars Attacks!

Youtube Video

242 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:54:27pm

re: #241 Shiplord Kirel

How about controlling the gull population and allowing some of the native birds to return? Attn Hippies: Unless you live on the coast or a garbage dump gulls do not count as native wildlife.

Hippies and doves in Mars Attacks!

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An excellent movie, because Jack Black gets killed in the first reel.

243 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:57:21pm

HURR HURRR!!!! EXECUTIVE ORDERSSSS!!! TEH ORDERSSSS MY PRECIOUS!!!!!!

244 GlutenFreeJesus  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:57:24pm

Best reviews on Amazon. Ever.

245 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:57:32pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Amazingly sleazy of West to try to co-opt the Malala case. I saw plenty of liberals who were horrified by that incident and said so.

I’m forced once again to wonder aloud what is wrong with Mr. West’s head.

246 dog philosopher  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:57:42pm

re: #240 dog philosopher

levenshtein distance is dynamic programming, and also recursive

it’s dynamic programming since it “memo-izes” to keep track of the total number of inserts, deletes, and transpositions

actually, i take that back - the implementation of levenshtein i am using is iterative, not recursive

en.wikibooks.org

247 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:58:41pm

re: #241 Shiplord Kirel

How about controlling the gull population and allowing some of the native birds to return? Attn Hippies: Unless you live on the coast or a garbage dump gulls do not count as native wildlife.

Hippies and doves in Mars Attacks!

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lol

248 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:59:33pm

re: #245 Dark_Falcon

I’m forced once again to wonder aloud what is wrong with Mr. West’s head.

Perhaps he was dropped on it as a child.

249 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:00:09pm

And now, Dr. Who’s new look.

Image: doctor.jpg

250 Lidane  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:00:55pm

re: #239 Killgore Trout

You do understand that imposing sanctions would undermine the agreement that’s in place between Tehran and the P5+1, right? If we add additional conditions or sanctions to that deal right now, before their six months are up, the hardliners over in Iran would just take it as a sign they don’t need to talk at all, and we’d undo any progress made so far.

251 Archangelus  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:00:59pm

re: #248 GeneJockey

Perhaps he was dropped on it as a child.

Repeatedly.

252 The War TARDIS  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:01:51pm

re: #249 Dr Lizardo

I like it. Saw it earlier.

Had to take off work. Me and Unisom do not cooperate.

253 calochortus  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:02:25pm

re: #241 Shiplord Kirel

Gulls do make it inland naturally. California gulls breed at Mono Lake, and they apparently hung around the Great Salt Lake in enough numbers to be Utah’s state bird. (They helped eat crickets during a locust plague early in the Mormon presence there.)

But yeah, the numbers are way beyond natural in a lot of places.

254 klys  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:03:16pm

re: #253 calochortus

Gulls do make it inland naturally. California gulls breed at Mono Lake, and they apparently hung around the Great Salt Lake in enough numbers to be Utah’s state bird. (They helped eat crickets during a locust plague early in the Mormon presence there.)

But yeah, the numbers are way beyond natural in a lot of places.

Of course, having a garbage dump in the area automatically makes them native wildlife.

Problem solved. ////

255 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:03:34pm

re: #249 Dr Lizardo

And now, Dr. Who’s new look.

Image: doctor.jpg

I like it. It’s a nice change up from the 20-30 year old generic handsome male demographic which dominates tv and movie casting. It’s refreshing to see something different.

256 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:03:46pm

Excellent! Logins are now protected by SSL. And the LGF Pages bookmarklet works with sites that use HTTPS.

257 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:05:22pm

re: #250 Lidane

You do understand that imposing sanctions would undermine the agreement that’s in place between Tehran and the P5+1, right? If we add additional conditions or sanctions to that deal right now, before their six months are up, the hardliners over in Iran would just take it as a sign they don’t need to talk at all, and we’d undo any progress made so far.

I’m aware of the tactics involved. Are you aware I’m not necessarily advocating for more sanction now?

258 calochortus  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:05:26pm

re: #254 klys

Of course, having a garbage dump in the area automatically makes them native wildlife.

Problem solved. ////

Ha! Did you know they know when dumps open and commute in to check them out. (Naturally this is only when dumps actually cover the dump contents overnight to discourage those gulls.) I’ve seen them doing this down south of San Jose.

259 The War TARDIS  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:05:39pm

re: #252 The War TARDIS

I forgot to get my meds until today. Realized this yesterday.

One of the meds does double work. As Anti-Depressant and sleep aid. I need it to both.

I decided to get unisom as a stop-gap. This morning, I felt loopy and it felt like my face was numb.

It’s better now, but no more Unisom.

260 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:06:03pm

re: #252 The War TARDIS

I like it. Saw it earlier.

Had to take of work. Me and Unisom do not cooperate.

I like it too.

Never taken Unisom. As a matter of fact, don’t think I’ve ever taken anything like that. No wait, I did once…..30+ years ago. Sleep-Eze, if I recall correctly.

I don’t know if they even make that brand anymore.

261 b_sharp  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:06:10pm

re: #220 klys

Generics.

Which you generally have to cast into what you think you’re supposed to be getting.

262 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:06:40pm

re: #255 Killgore Trout

I like it. It’s a nice change up from the 20-30 year old generic handsome male demographic which dominates tv and movie casting. It’s refreshing to see something different.

OTOH, my sister just posted on FB a similar pic of Jon Pertwee, side by side with this one.

263 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:06:45pm

re: #249 Dr Lizardo

And now, Dr. Who’s new look.

Image: doctor.jpg

Reminds me a lot of McGann’s initial look from the TV movie. At least they didn’t talk him into wearing a wig.

264 klys  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:07:01pm

re: #257 Killgore Trout

I’m aware of the tactics involved. Are you aware I’m not necessarily advocating for more sanction now?

It’s hard to tell. You always manage to come off as so disappointed with everything.

No sarcasm.

265 Political Atheist  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:07:23pm

re: #256 Charles Johnson

Oh Dude nice work. Thanks again.

266 The War TARDIS  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:07:39pm

re: #263 Targetpractice

I hope my genetics have me look that good in my mid-50s.

267 Archangelus  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:08:35pm

re: #255 Killgore Trout

I like it. It’s a nice change up from the 20-30 year old generic handsome male demographic which dominates tv and movie casting. It’s refreshing to see something different.

For me it’s more about the man in the suit than the suit itself. I initially thought Smith’s look during his time in the role was a bit off, but it was his acting that sold it and made it seem natural.

Interesting quote from Capaldi about the costume: “He’s woven the future from the cloth of the past. Simple, stark, and back to basics. No frills, no scarf, no messing, just 100% rebel time lord.” Can’t wait to see him in action…

268 Chrysicat  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:08:50pm

re: #237 Killgore Trout

Kilgore, exactly how far off a coast do you think Rome is? The entire Italian Peninsula is about 100 miles across—Rome’s maybe 10 miles up the Tiber from its mouth…

269 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:09:03pm

re: #263 Targetpractice

Reminds me a lot of McGann’s initial look from the TV movie. At least they didn’t talk him into wearing a wig.

Actually, now that I look at it, it seems to harken back a lot to Hartnell’s costume. Perhaps there’s something to that, the Doctor’s new set of regenerations causing him to go back over what came before.

If that’s the case, I might have to stop watching the series when the Technicolor Dream Coat shows up again. *shudders*

270 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:09:12pm

re: #213 GeneJockey

Yesterday I wore a short sleeve jersey and no leg or arm warmers on my ride and was very comfortable.

Until I hit God’s Own Pothole at 35 mph and converted my Quick-Link into a Quick-UNlink, the chain fell off, and I had to make the Call Of Shame. Right up till then, it was all going great!

I love quick links, but I always carry a couple extra in my bag “just in case”.

271 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:10:45pm

re: #266 The War TARDIS

I hope my genetics have me look that good in my mid-50s.

I learned an interesting thing when I looked at the pics from my 35th High School reunion (didn’t attend). My first thought when looking at the pictures was that I was looking at my classmates’ parents.

272 Archangelus  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:11:11pm

re: #262 GeneJockey

OTOH, my sister just posted on FB a similar pic of Jon Pertwee, side by side with this one.

That makes sense IMO, seeing how folks have been going on about how Smith’s take on the character was a homage of sorts to the Second Doctor, whereas Capaldi is more like the Pertwee’s Third.
Time will tell (wibbly-wobbliness notwithstanding)…

273 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:12:19pm

re: #267 Archangelus

For me it’s more about the man in the suit than the suit itself. I initially thought Smith’s look during his time in the role was a bit off, but it was his acting that sold it and made it seem natural.

Interesting quote from Capaldi about the costume: “He’s woven the future from the cloth of the past. Simple, stark, and back to basics. No frills, no scarf, no messing, just 100% rebel time lord.” Can’t wait to see him in action…

Smith’s outfits were actually pretty tame compared to what came before. Somewhat of a step up from pin-stripes and sand shoes.

274 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:13:18pm

re: #264 klys

It’s hard to tell. You always manage to come off as so disappointed with everything.

No sarcasm.

I can see how people get confused. I’m very doubtful the Iranians are negotiating in good faith and I have serious doubts about Obama’s foreign policy lately. I think new sanctions now would be counterproductive and would rather have sanctions passed on the condition of Iran backing out of the deal. I’m concerned that Iran is being given too much in return for too little so far. Easing sanctions too much now allows them to fix some economic problems and expand their nuclear program in the hopes of a deal I don’t think they have any intention of keeping.

275 The War TARDIS  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:14:19pm

re: #273 Targetpractice

I loved Smith’s Series 7.5 Outfit.

Liked it enough that it will be a part of my style. Minus Bow-Tie (or any tie. I hate feeling constricted around the throat.)

276 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:14:22pm

re: #270 RealityBasedSteve

I love quick links, but I always carry a couple extra in my bag “just in case”.

Lot of folks love quick links. In fact I blame this little contretemps on one of them. I had replaced the chain a while back with a KMC I grabbed at the local Performance store, only to find that some bastard had stolen the quick link. So, I just reused the old one - which looked okay.

Lesson learned.

Funny thing is, I was planning on replacing the chain after this ride anyway. last I checked it JUST BARELY passed the chain checker test, and I was planning on expanding my riding come February.

277 Archangelus  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:15:10pm

re: #273 Targetpractice

Smith’s outfits were actually pretty tame compared to what came before. Somewhat of a step up from pin-stripes and sand shoes.

Well i meant in that to many, myself included, it seemed as though they were deliberately dressing a very young character with a look fitting someone much older. However, Smith really did a great job of selling the character as a “1000+ year old man in a much younger body” so that it didn’t seem out of character.
This is, of course, in reference to his general, non-fezzy/cowboy hat look…

278 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:15:51pm
279 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:16:18pm

re: #272 Archangelus

That makes sense IMO, seeing how folks have been going on about how Smith’s take on the character was a homage of sorts to the Second Doctor, whereas Capaldi is more like the Pertwee’s Third.
Time will tell (wibbly-wobbliness notwithstanding)…

On the plus side, he’s not wearing The Puffy Shirt.
//

280 Chrysicat  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:16:38pm

re: #275 The War TARDIS

Will you be trying as hard to get a fez added to it as Eleven did? :-P

281 The War TARDIS  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:16:50pm

re: #277 Archangelus

Moffat I think said something along the lines that Smith did so good in that role that he thinks it will be difficult to have a younger Doctor for a while.

282 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:17:06pm

Lidane, please remove @BlindManMark from your Twitter replies. That is one big bag of crazy,

283 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:17:18pm

re: #275 The War TARDIS

I loved Smith’s Series 7.5 Outfit.

Liked it enough that it will be a part of my style. Minus Bow-Tie (or any tie. I hate feeling constricted around the throat.)

I was rather surprised when he went for the full Victorian gentleman look for 7.5. But I guess that’s not surprising considering where he took refuge. But I still remain partial to the tweed and suspenders.

284 The War TARDIS  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:18:07pm

re: #280 Chrysicat

No, not unless I am going to something like a Con.

The feeling of a tie of any sort around my neck is uncomfortable and frightening.

285 Lidane  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:19:21pm

re: #282 Pie-onist Overlord

Done. And he’s blocked.

286 Archangelus  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:19:51pm

On the topic of Doctor Who and Capaldi, I recently went back and watched his episodes in both the third season of DW and in Torchwood’s third mini-season (Children of Earth). If those are an indication of what’s to come, we’re in for a treat IMO (though I do wonder if they’ll ever reference his past appearances - especially if they ever plan on bringing back Capt. Jack, in light of his interaction with Capaldi’s character in TW).

287 The War TARDIS  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:20:19pm

Again, want to point out, Doctor Who was what dragged me out of a depression. Considering the recent suicide in Colorado Springs, I am blessed for this.

Still feel really, really weird.

I think Unisom is really, really bad for me.

288 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:21:06pm

re: #286 Archangelus

On the topic of Doctor Who and Capaldi, I recently went back and watched his episodes in both the third season of DW and in Torchwood’s third mini-season (Children of Earth). If those are an indication of what’s to come, we’re in for a treat IMO (though I do wonder if they’ll ever reference his past appearances - especially if they ever plan on bringing back Capt. Jack, in light of his interaction with Capaldi’s character in TW).

Word was that Moffat plans to cover Capaldi’s past appearances, though I’m unsure how.

289 Lidane  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:21:15pm
290 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:21:33pm

re: #284 The War TARDIS

No, not unless I am going to something like a Con.

The feeling of a tie of any sort around my neck is uncomfortable and frightening.

Do you normally button your shirts all the way up? Properly done a tie is no tighter than your top button.

I used to get that feeling with turtle necks. Never could figure out why, till I had my neck measured. 17 1/2”. Standard L and XL shirts won’t come close to buttoning up on me. But, a 17 1/2” neck buttons fine, doesn’t constrict.

291 The War TARDIS  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:22:26pm

re: #288 Targetpractice

It’s a plan that has been adapted from Davie’s plan to link Caecilius and Frobisher.

292 b_sharp  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:22:39pm

re: #290 GeneJockey

Do you normally button your shirts all the way up? Properly done a tie is no tighter than your top button.

I used to get that feeling with turtle necks. Never could figure out why, till I had my neck measured. 17 1/2”. Standard L and XL shirts won’t come close to buttoning up on me. But, a 17 1/2” neck buttons fine, doesn’t constrict.

Same neck size as mine.
How big is your head?

293 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:23:06pm

re: #245 Dark_Falcon

I’m forced once again to wonder aloud what is wrong with Mr. West’s head.

As always, when questions arise in life, as they always will, the wise man turns to the book of Whedon. As always, he has shown us the light.

Youtube Video

RBS

294 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:23:29pm

re: #291 The War TARDIS

It’s a plan that has been adapted from Davie’s plan to link Caecilius and Frobisher.

Sounds about right. This is a series that loves to pull up obscure characters and references from ages past and go “Were you paying attention?”

295 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:24:05pm

re: #292 b_sharp

Same neck size as mine.
How big is your head?

“Large” hats generally fit.

296 Archangelus  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:24:44pm

re: #288 Targetpractice

Word was that Moffat plans to cover Capaldi’s past appearances, though I’m unsure how.

That makes the both of us - the first one i can understand, since The Doctor interacted directly with the character he was playing; but I don’t see how they can do that with his tragic character Frobisher from Torchwood, since the doctor was notably absent from the events that took place in the third season (as was even noted directly by one of the main characters in the final episode of the series).

297 Archangelus  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:27:36pm

re: #294 Targetpractice

Sounds about right. This is a series that loves to pull up obscure characters and references from ages past and go “Were you paying attention?”

Yeah but isn’t there supposed to be a barrier of sorts between DW and Torchwood (while it lasted)? The former is family oriented, while the latter is/was most decidedly aimed towards adults. This, in addition to the absence of any direct link between Frobisher and the Doctor from the past.

298 The War TARDIS  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:29:28pm

re: #297 Archangelus

There was a barrier between the TV Stories and Big Finish.

There isn’t one now. It looks like we have a free-for-all.

299 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:29:31pm

Look at the activity at 3:30 am in Kiev. And someone appears to be playing with lasers (at the top of the second screen down) on the bldgs.

This appears to be live streaming.

ukrstream.tv

I’m thinking the latest “deal” hasn’t gone over with the rank and file.

Tomorrow night and the next, it’s going to be down around -13 deg in Kiev; tonight it will be 5, more tolerable, I suppose.

300 monkeyfister  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:32:53pm

Make no mistake— West is effable, alright. He effs himself out of a career in politics every time he opens his mouth.

301 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:33:26pm

re: #297 Archangelus

Yeah but isn’t there supposed to be a barrier of sorts between DW and Torchwood (while it lasted)? The former is family oriented, while the latter is/was most decidedly aimed towards adults. This, in addition to the absence of any direct link between Frobisher and the Doctor from the past.

The barrier’s sort of wibbley-wobbley, at least in the sense that characters from one production will show up in another for one-off episodes, but one really couldn’t call them crossovers in the sense that there’s a conjoined storyline. A sense of “What happens on your side of the pond stays on your side of the pond.”

302 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:34:36pm

re: #287 The War TARDIS

Again, want to point out, Doctor Who was what dragged me out of a depression. Considering the recent suicide in Colorado Springs, I am blessed for this.

Still feel really, really weird.

I think Unisom is really, really bad for me.

You probably shouldn’t take OTC remedies since you seem to have a low tolerance for drugs. Even an overdose of aspirin can be fatal. Also, I highly recommend physical exercise as a means of combating depression; even long, brisk walks for a couple of miles can make you feel much better—start off walking for a half an hour and increase to an hour when you get used to it. It’s free and no equipment is required except a pair of sturdy trainers.

303 Chrysicat  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:36:55pm

re: #301 Targetpractice

The barrier’s sort of wibbley-wobbley, at least in the sense that characters from one production will show up in another for one-off episodes, but one really couldn’t call them crossovers in the sense that there’s a conjoined storyline. A sense of “What happens on your side of the pond stays on your side of the pond.”

Literally, if TW ever gets revived, considering that they’re probably still less-than-willing to go back to the UK and Rex’s connections with the US gov might be more useful… :-P

304 The War TARDIS  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:51:46pm

re: #302 Justanotherhuman

Great idea, except that it is 20 outside right now.

305 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:58:40pm

re: #304 The War TARDIS

Great idea, except that it is 20 outside right now.

I used to like running when it was that cold, back in college. No sound but my breathing and the *squinch, squinch* of snow under my shoes, the feeling of the hairs in my nostrils freezing, the solitude since everyone else was smart enough not to go running in 20 degree weather…

Mind you, then there was the hour or two of coughing from what turned out to be Exercise Induced Asthma, exacerbated by sucking 20 degree air into my lungs.

306 chadu  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 6:18:19pm

re: #176 Kragar

Please tell me that’s a parody site.

307 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 6:29:27pm

re: #237 Killgore Trout

Attn Hippies: Unless you live on the coast or a garbage dump gulls do not count as native wildlife.

Gulls have been amazing adapters since long before civilization. Some of them breed in the deep desert. They were already foraging into Utah when the Mormons arrived, with extant populations along the GSL, documented in the Miracle of the Gulls. They’re one of the only animal genus / species that live on every continent including Antarctica.

The only effective way to “cull” their population is to stop creating conditions easy for them to exploit, doing something about how much we waste. Otherwise all that food just goes to rot.


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