Misogyny Is a Winning Formula for Mike Huckabee

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Would you be surprised to learn that Mike Huckabee’s weird, disturbing statement that women use birth control because they “can’t control their libido” was wildly popular among the right wing base? No?

Poll: Huckabee Is Now the GOP’s Top Choice for 2016 After Libido Remark.

The latest survey from Democratic PPP released Wednesday showed the former Arkansas governor surging among Republican voters nationwide in the wake of his head-scratching comment about the female libido.

According to the poll, 16 percent of GOP primary voters said they would prefer to see Huckabee as the party’s presidential nominee in 2016, making him the top Republican in the field. Only a month ago, PPP showed Huckabee polling at 11 percent and trailing both New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) among GOP voters.

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361 comments
1 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 10:43:36am

Huckabee/Santorum 2016

2 darthstar  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 10:43:52am

LIBIDO! LIBIDO! LIBIDO! LIBIDO! LIBIDO! LIBIDO! LIBIDO! LIBIDO! LIBIDO! LIBIDO! LIBIDO! LIBIDO! LIBIDO! LIBIDO!

Am I popular yet?

3 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 10:44:00am

This is what having literalist zealots voting in public officials does.

4 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 10:44:52am

re: #2 darthstar

Maybe with Mrs. Darth.

Me? Meh… / or am I

5 Bulworth  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 10:45:01am

Christie: What the hell? I close a g-damn bridge lane for days to punish the libtards and all this guy does is talk about birth pills and slutz and he’s now ahead of me?

6 allegro  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 10:45:16am

In preservation of sanity and faith in humanity it is a bit of a relief to note that it is only 16% of a diminishing Republican party of old white dude fundies who think Huck is their go-to guy. But yeah, even that is fucking creepy.

7 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 10:45:46am

GOP Rebranding 2014. Now, with more misogyny, racism, and less compassion than the 2012 version.

8 allegro  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 10:46:28am

re: #7 lawhawk

GOP Rebranding 2014. Now, with more misogyny, racism, and less compassion than the 2012 version.

Please proceed.

10 Ian G.  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 10:49:36am

re: #8 allegro

Please proceed.

Beat me to it.

Kragar too.

11 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 10:52:25am

FReepers sure loves ‘em some HOT MANLY PUTIN

12 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 10:53:32am

CONFIRMED!!!11!!!! FACTZ!!!1!!!!

13 Testy Toad T  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 10:53:55am

Imagine their complete damned surprise in November of 2016 when the un-unskewed polls eventually demonstrate that what the GOP base finds folksy and charming the rest of the country finds creepy and threatening.

WHO COULD EVER HAVE GUESSED

14 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 10:54:09am
15 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 10:54:18am

re: #11 Pie-onist Overlord

FReepers sure loves ‘em some HOT MANLY PUTIN

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The pic is interesting. Who would have guessed that Putin would go to Stonehenge on midsummer day and meet with one of those Druid revivalists?

16 BongCrodny  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 10:56:34am

re: #1 Gus

>Huckabee/Santorum 2016

Orly Taitz is the only logical Vice-Presidential choice.

17 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 10:58:09am

Not sure but the Republican Party is starting to look more like the Asshole Party.

18 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 10:58:37am

re: #11 Pie-onist Overlord

FReepers sure loves ‘em some HOT MANLY PUTIN

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Look a bit closer at that photo. By “Godless” he means “not Orthodox”.

19 ObserverArt  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 10:58:44am

This Mike Huckabee???

Youtube Video

20 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 10:59:33am

Should the Republican Party rename itself the Asshole Party? Discuss.

21 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 10:59:33am

re: #17 Gus

Not sure but the Republican Party is starting to look more like the Asshole Party.

The Donner Party if they nominate this witch-doctor in 2016.

22 Mattand  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:00:45am

re: #20 Gus

Should the Republican Party rename itself the Asshole Party? Discuss.

Yes.

Yes, they should.

Next topic.

23 Testy Toad T  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:01:55am

re: #20 Gus

Should the Republican Party rename itself the Asshole Party? Discuss.

I would prefer we call it the I REALLY REALLY WANT TO SAY THESE THREE WORDS OUT LOUD party.

I admit it doesn’t exactly flow off the tongue.

24 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:02:10am

re: #22 Mattand

Yes.

Yes, they should.

Next topic.

OK. One vote to rename the Republican Party to the Asshole Party!

Anyone else?

//

25 jaunte  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:02:16am

re: #20 Gus

Should the Republican Party rename itself the Asshole Party? Discuss.

“I was extremely annoyed because I was doing NY1 a favor by rushing to do their interview first in lieu of several other requests. The reporter knew that I was in a hurry and was only there to comment on the State of the Union, but insisted on taking a disrespectful and cheap shot at the end of the interview, because I did not have time to speak off-topic,” Grimm said in a statement.

The Lying Asshole Party.

26 Lidane  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:02:17am

re: #20 Gus

Should the Republican Party rename itself the Asshole Party? Discuss.

They just just give up and call themselves the Know-Nothings. Or the Dixiecrats.

27 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:02:57am

re: #20 Gus

Should the Republican Party rename itself the Asshole Party? Discuss.

They should rename themselves The Party of God.

Though I think most would admit, it sounds much better in Arabic: Hezbollah.

Sorta rolls off the tongue.

28 allegro  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:03:25am

re: #17 Gus

Not sure but the Republican Party is starting to look more like the Asshole Party.

starting?

29 Testy Toad T  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:04:58am

The GOP is so far its own asshole I’d rather call it the Society of the Duodenum.

30 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:05:45am

re: #28 allegro

starting?

[Rubs beard.] Not sure yet. //

31 allegro  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:05:59am

re: #27 Dr Lizardo

They should rename themselves The Party of God.

Though I think most would admit, it sounds much better in Arabic: Hezbollah.

Sorta rolls off the tongue.

This one wins the internets.

32 Mattand  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:06:27am

Part of me tries approach the Huck’s newfound popularity from the POV that it’s way too early for this nonsense, and the poll itself is ultimately meaningless.

Then it occurs to me that if Republicans and conservatives actually had any sense of shame, or grip on reality, someone like Huckabee would never, ever be on a POTUS nominee short list. Ever.

This is why I get so frustrated with the resident conservative or “right of center” commenters here. I would just love to see how they would hand wave this one away.

33 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:06:39am

I prefer Asshole Party myself. It’s secular.

34 Testy Toad T  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:07:01am

re: #30 Gus

[Rubs beard.] Not sure yet. //

REPLY HAZY
SLUTSHAME
AGAIN

35 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:07:06am

Asshole Party™ also works with the Establishment Clause.

36 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:07:12am

re: #26 Lidane

They’re the do-nothing extortionists who know nothing.

Least productive Congress in history, and the only thing they’re good at is throwing tantrums, including 40 attempts to repeal Obamacare, knowing it wont get them anywhere.

And yet they’re not going to give up attempting repeals anytime soon either.

Their next step will be threatening to blow up the economy yet again unless their demands are met.

37 Testy Toad T  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:07:16am

re: #33 Gus

I prefer Asshole Party myself. It’s secular.

Unlike the GOP.

ZING!

38 Bulworth  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:11:07am

re: #11 Pie-onist Overlord

Because abortion and gay rights are the only issues relevant to God. //

39 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:11:25am

Mention of the Donner Party reminded me of the famous Republican cannibal Alferd Packer. At Packer’s sentencing, the judge reportedly said,

Stand up you voracious man-eatin’ sonofabitch and receive your sentence. When you came to Hinsdale County, there was seven Democrats. But you, you ate five of ‘em, goddam you. I sentence you to be hanged by the neck until your’re dead, dead, dead, as a warning against reducing the Democratic population of this county. Packer, you Republican cannibal, I would sentence you to hell but the statutes forbid it.

Alas, the quote is apparently not accurate, but it is a fact that there are still very few Democrats in Hinsdale County.

40 RadicalModerate  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:13:03am

A quick exercise:

Name a member of the Republican Party who isn’t at least two of the following:

(a) sociopath
(b) racist
(c) misogynist
(d) corrupt

41 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:13:04am

re: #38 Bulworth

Because abortion and gay rights are the only issues relevant to God. //

Republican Bible:

Chapter 1: Creationism
Chapter 2: Abortion
Chapter 3: The Gays
Chapter 4: Summary

42 abolitionist  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:14:12am

Sort of on-topic, then.

A few years ago, my niece was a victim of domestic violence. A broken jaw was just one of her several injuries. Treatments included prescription drugs for pain. This lead to addictions to some of them —including oxycontin —for which slut-shamer Rush got a slap on the wrist, and renewal of his multi-million dollar contract.

My niece wasn’t so lucky. When her prescriptions ran out, the addictions didn’t, so she was victimized again by our decades-long war on drugs. It’s my understanding that one of her X’s was pressured to participate in the entrapment/sting operation. After conviction, and serving several years in prison, she was released recently. She died yesterday. I’ve been informed it was apparently an overdose of something.

Just shoot me, Huckabee.

43 Snarknado!  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:14:20am

re: #2 darthstar

LIBIDO! LIBIDO! LIBIDO! LIBIDO! LIBIDO! LIBIDO! LIBIDO! LIBIDO! LIBIDO! LIBIDO! LIBIDO! LIBIDO! LIBIDO! LIBIDO!

Am I popular yet?

Well I updinged it.

44 Skip Intro  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:14:43am
Poll: Huckabee Is Now the GOP’s Top Choice for 2016 After Libido Remark.

Just like the last time. Whoever wins the “Asshole of the Week” award automatically becomes the front runner.

What a totally fucked-up party.

45 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:15:09am

The Democratic Party has plenty of its own problems. But the GOP is increasingly just flat out insane, evil-minded, vindictive and reactionary in ways it’s impossible to count.

Remember “compassionate conservatism?” Now it’s “fuck you conservatism.”

46 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:15:23am

From Hezbollah’s 1986 manifesto:

We are an ummah linked to the Muslims of the whole world by the solid doctrinal and religious connection of Islam, whose message God wanted to be fulfilled by the Seal of the Prophets, (i.e., Prophet Muhammad [s.a.a.s]). … As for our culture, it is based on the Holy Qur’an, the Sunna and the legal rulings of the faqih who is our source of imitation.

Now let’s play with some words.

We are a community linked to the worldwide body of the Christian faith by the solid doctrinal and religious connection of Christianity, whose message God brought to Earth through His begotten Son, Jesus Christ. As for our culture, it is based on the Holy Bible, the Constitution, and the profound wisdom of the Founding Fathers, who are our source of imitation.

That is essentially the message of the wingnuts, and that message is the same.

Party of God is entirely appropriate.

47 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:15:24am

Speaking of asshole republicans.

Idaho Bill Would OK Denial of Services to Gays, Single Mothers

Under the bill, doctors could deny providing medical treatment to gay people or even unmarried mothers and not lose their medical license.

48 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:15:34am

Also works as…

Republican Bible Policy:

Chapter 1: Creationism
Chapter 2: Abortion
Chapter 3: The Gays
Chapter 4: Summary

49 BongCrodny  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:17:25am

Okay, I think I’ve found the boilerplate for the new Republican Party flag.

Gus, if you want to do your photoshop magic, be my guest. :-)

Greendale!

50 Please Proceed  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:18:31am

re: #17 Gus

Not sure but the Republican Party is starting to look more like the Asshole Party.

STARTING??????

51 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:18:35am

re: #49 BongCrodny

Okay, I think I’ve found the boilerplate for the new Republican Party flag.

Gus, if you want to do your photoshop magic, be my guest. :-)

Greendale!

First of all, replace DALE with WALD

52 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:18:54am

City of Hamburg considering phasing out automobile traffic in its downtown, freep uh….disagrees?

Hey, the Air Force could bomb it again. Quick and efficient way to clear out the center of the city and its cars, and its buildings and its people. A Three-fer.

Calling the 8th Air Force. We have a mission! Norden bombsights for all!

28 posted on Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:44:54 PM by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

freerepublic.com

53 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:19:48am

Hey Ladies! Uncle Sugar Wants YOU!!

54 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:19:54am

re: #48 Gus

Also works as…

>Republican Bible Policy:

Chapter 1: Creationism
Chapter 2: Abortion
Chapter 3: The Gays
Chapter 4: Summary

Which are all essentially cover for “Respect My Authority and Do Not Question My Personal Actions”

55 Testy Toad T  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:20:51am

re: #45 Charles Johnson

The Democratic Party has plenty of its own problems. But the GOP is increasingly just flat out insane, evil-minded, vindictive and reactionary in ways it’s impossible to count.

Remember “compassionate conservatism?” Now it’s “fuck you conservatism.”

2008-2014: The Cessation of Lip Service

56 klys  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:21:08am

re: #52 SpaceJesus

City of Hamburg considering phasing out automobile traffic in its downtown, freep uh….disagrees?

freerepublic.com

…that’s special.

57 BongCrodny  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:22:34am

re: #47 Bubblehead II

Speaking of asshole republicans.

Idaho Bill Would OK Denial of Services to Gays, Single Mothers

Under the bill, doctors could deny providing medical treatment to gay people or even unmarried mothers and not lose their medical license.

“First, do no harm…unless we tell you to.”

58 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:23:38am

re: #50 Iwouldprefernotto

STARTING??????

You forget the part about “not sure.”

59 Skip Intro  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:24:23am

re: #47 Bubblehead II

Speaking of asshole republicans.

Idaho Bill Would OK Denial of Services to Gays, Single Mothers

Under the bill, doctors could deny providing medical treatment to gay people or even unmarried mothers and not lose their medical license.

I had to check the link twice because I was sure I was being Poed.

Nope.

60 Testy Toad T  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:24:25am

re: #54 Feline Fearless Leader

Which are all essentially cover for “Respect My Authority and Do Not Question My Personal Actions”

When you look around and see people worse off than you, don’t think about how you could help them. Think about how if you stick out of line, that could be you. Think about how they deserve it. Think about how you would deserve it. Think about that fear. Relish it. It is your power.

61 allegro  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:24:43am

Sheesh, this is all just too depressing. Time to take The Boys out in the freezing weather for a walk and pick up my new yoga DVD that was just delivered to the office.

62 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:24:48am

re: #12 Pie-onist Overlord

CONFIRMED!!!11!!!! FACTZ!!!1!!!!

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I took a look at the site he links. What a pile of bullshit number manipulations and contradictory claims.

63 Kragar  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:25:53am
64 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:26:04am

re: #62 b_sharp

I took a look at the site he links. What a pile of bullshit number manipulations and contradictory claims.

Yes, a single person working full-time is above the poverty level, but not a family of four.

65 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:26:06am

Wingnuts spamming this fake meme.
No this IS NOT THE 101 in Los Angeles. It’s a photoshop.

66 klys  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:27:24am

re: #64 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

Yes, a single person working full-time is above the poverty level, but not a family of four.

The wingnut response to that is that they shouldn’t have had kids because they clearly can’t afford them.

And since there’s no birth control in the wingnut world, that means poor people can’t have sex either. To avoid having kids.

67 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:27:46am

re: #64 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

Yes, a single person working full-time is above the poverty level, but not a family of four.

Also missed those making under min wage, and ignored that 70% are over 19.

68 jaunte  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:28:07am

re: #65 Pie-onist Overlord

You can’t fool me, that’s a picture of a white tiger!

69 darthstar  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:29:42am

re: #33 Gus

I prefer Asshole Party myself. It’s secular.

I thought it was circular.

70 Testy Toad T  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:29:56am

re: #65 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts spamming this fake meme.
No this IS NOT THE 101 in Los Angeles. It is a highway in China, in 2010.

Not this shit again.

No, it’s actually a fake.

71 RadicalModerate  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:29:59am

re: #48 Gus

Also works as…

>Republican Bible Policy:

Chapter 1: Creationism
Chapter 2: Abortion
Chapter 3: The Gays
Chapter 4: Summary

Don’t forget about the section on Kinism and how to use it to rally the base.

72 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:30:18am

re: #63 Kragar

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Ergo. All threats from Marines aren’t really threats unless carried out.

“OK, you’re free to go Mr. Marine after telling your wife you will slice her up in pieces. You didn’t actually do it.”

73 Lidane  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:30:26am

re: #45 Charles Johnson

The Democratic Party has plenty of its own problems. But the GOP is increasingly just flat out insane, evil-minded, vindictive and reactionary in ways it’s impossible to count.

THIS.

The Democrats are hardly perfect. I’ve got my own issues and disagreements with them. But at least they acknowledge things like reality, science, reason, history, and every bit of social progress that humans have made since Gutenberg invented movable type. That’s huge bonus for them.

74 Testy Toad T  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:30:46am

re: #70 erik_t

Not this shit again.

No, it’s actually a fake.

Original source image.

75 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:32:54am

The best part of the 16% number is that it ensures that at least 3 or 4 of the candidates will try to out derp the other for a majority of the wingnut base.

76 Kragar  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:33:14am

re: #72 Gus

Ergo. All threats from Marines aren’t really threats unless carried out.

“OK, you’re free to go Mr. Marine after telling your wife you will slice her up in pieces. You didn’t actually do it.”

“I could kill you, but I didn’t. See what a wonderful guy I am?”

77 klys  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:34:09am

re: #73 Lidane

THIS.

The Democrats are hardly perfect. I’ve got my own issues and disagreements with them. But at least they acknowledge things like reality, science, reason, history, and every bit of social progress that humans have made since Gutenberg invented movable type. That’s huge bonus for them.

But OBAMA DOESN’T PAY THE WOMEN AT THE WHITE HOUSE EQUAL PAY FOR EQUAL WORK so that means he shouldn’t stress it as a cause!!!!

Except he totally does, but inform people of this and get *crickets.*

And seriously, why the fuck is this point so controversial that you feel like you need to have a gotcha moment on this? WHY? What is wrong with people getting paid equally for doing the same job?

78 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:35:50am

You have to go all the way back to 1928 for a presidential election the Republicans won without someone named Nixon or Bush on the ticket. Check it out:

1932 Hoover/Curtis LOST
1936 Landon/Knox LOST
1940 Wilkie/McNary LOST
1944 Dewey/Bricker LOST
1948 Dewey/Warren LOST
1952 Eisenhower/Nixon WON
1956 Eisenhower/Nixon WON
1960 Nixon/Lodge LOST
1964 Goldwater/Miller LOST
1968 Nixon/Agnew WON
1972 Nixon/Agnew WON
1976 Ford/Dole LOST
1980 Reagan/Bush WON
1984 Reagan/Bush WON
1988 Bush/Quayle WON
1992 Bush/Quayle LOST
1996 Dole/Kemp LOST
2000 Bush/Cheney WON
2004 Bush/Cheney WON
2008 McCain/Palin LOST
2012 Romney/Ryan LOST

79 jaunte  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:36:02am

re: #77 klys

It makes Steinbeck’s ‘temporarily embarrassed millionaires’ nervous.

80 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:36:37am

re: #74 erik_t

Original source image.

Thanks for that. I just Google imaged the photo and found it reproduced on a number of different sites claiming that it was in China.

81 Testy Toad T  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:37:32am

re: #80 Pie-onist Overlord

Thanks for that. I just Google imaged the photo and found it reproduced on a number of different sites claiming that it was in China.

Unfortunately, the internet is often the land where the slightly less wrong is king.

82 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:38:22am

re: #80 Pie-onist Overlord

Thanks for that. I just Google imaged the photo and found it reproduced on a number of different sites claiming that it was in China.

Should have made it all scooters and claimed it was Vietnam.
//

83 Lidane  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:39:36am
84 darthstar  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:39:46am

re: #78 Shiplord Kirel

You have to go all the way back to 1928 for a presidential election the Republicans won without someone named Nixon or Bush on the ticket. Check it out:

1932 Hoover/Curtis LOST
1936 Landon/Knox LOST
1940 Wilkie/McNary LOST
1944 Dewey/Bricker LOST
1948 Dewey/Warren LOST
1952 Eisenhower/Nixon >WON
1956 Eisenhower/Nixon >WON
1960 Nixon/Lodge LOST
1964 Goldwater/Miller LOST
1968 Nixon/Agnew >WON
1972 Nixon/Agnew >WON
1976 Ford/Dole LOST
1980 Reagan/Bush >WON
1984 Reagan/Bush >WON
1988 Bush/Quayle >WON
1992 Bush/Quayle LOST
1996 Dole/Kemp LOST
2000 Bush/Cheney >WON
2004 Bush/Cheney >WON
2008 McCain/Palin LOST
2012 Romney/Ryan LOST

And what economic event happened in 1929?

85 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:41:17am

re: #59 Skip Intro

I had to check the link twice because I was sure I was being Poed.

Nope.

Pretty fucking sad isn’t it.

86 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:41:19am

re: #83 Lidane

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So much for Stockman’s “Work with Congress” bullshit.

87 blueraven  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:42:11am

re: #63 Kragar

I do not think he understands the definition of the word “threat”

a statement of an intention to inflict pain, injury, damage, or other hostile action on someone in retribution for something done or not done

Grimm issued a threat…as in a warning.

88 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:42:58am

re: #84 darthstar

And what economic event happened in 1929?

Gawd turned his back on America and started letting the Demonrats win.

89 dog philosopher  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:43:27am

Misogyny Is a Winning Formula

The GOP: Winning Larger And Larger Shares Of Smaller And Smaller Groups For Thirty Five Years

90 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:43:33am

re: #87 blueraven

I do not think he understands the definition of the word “threat”

>a statement of an intention to inflict pain, injury, damage, or other hostile action on someone in retribution for something done or not done

Grimm issued a threat…as in a warning.

No true Scotsman threatens a man…

91 dog philosopher  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:44:33am

2000 Bush/Cheney >WONLOST the popular vote

92 dog philosopher  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:46:52am

re: #84 darthstar

And what economic event happened in 1929?

that was after democrats forced businesses to sell on credit to unqualified minorities

93 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:47:29am

re: #91 dog philosopher

2000 Bush/Cheney >WONLOST the popular vote

That’s how the electoral college works. No surprise here.

94 Ian G.  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:54:23am

re: #65 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts spamming this fake meme.
No this IS NOT THE 101 in Los Angeles. It is a highway in China, in 2010.

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Also, why would LA, where snow never falls, have people mocking the south for its inability to deal with the snow? That doesn’t make a lick of sense.

95 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:54:59am

re: #94 Ian G.

Also, why would LA, where snow never falls, have people mocking the south for its inability to deal with the snow? That doesn’t make a lick of sense.

HURR HURR THEIR ALL LIBRULS!!!1!!!!

96 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:55:52am

re: #93 Gus

That’s how the electoral college works. No surprise here.

I have never checked the stats, but how many of our presidents received a majority of the popular vote?

97 dog philosopher  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:56:11am

“And I’m kind of glad we did,” the magazine quotes Wilkinson as saying. “because Jennifer Lawrence is a very … let’s say … raw and intuitive young lady, and she’s not against eating Doritos and snack food in her costume.

“raw and intuitive”??

98 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:56:47am

re: #96 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

I have never checked the stats, but how many of our presidents received a majority of the popular vote?

I’d have to Google.

99 Ian G.  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:57:09am

re: #95 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR THEIR ALL LIBRULS!!!1!!!!

I guess, but New York, Detroit, Chicago and Boston are all lib’rul hellholes that get snow. Use them.

Eh, I’ve spent far too much mental energy on this already.

100 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:59:24am

This is fucked up.

101 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 11:59:56am
102 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:00:15pm

re: #96 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

I have never checked the stats, but how many of our presidents received a majority of the popular vote?

Look for the negative margins here I think…

en.wikipedia.org

103 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:00:59pm

George W. Bush
Rutherford Hayes
Benjamin Harrison
John Quincy Adams

104 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:01:18pm

re: #100 Pie-onist Overlord

This is fucked up.

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If that’s Erick son of Erick’s concealed carry license, he’ll probably get in trouble inside six months. He’ll probably blow some innocent person away while “standing his ground”.

105 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:02:27pm

re: #104 Dr Lizardo

If that’s Erick son of Erick’s concealed carry license, he’ll probably get in trouble inside six months. He’ll probably blow some innocent person away while “standing his ground”.

I suspect it will be more likely that he ends up shooting himself, probably somewhere in the pants region…

106 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:02:50pm

Rutherford Hayes - highest voter turnout.
Richard Nixon - largest popular vote margin.

107 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:03:12pm

John Quincy Adams - lowest voter turnout.

108 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:04:55pm

Voter turnout begins nosedive after 1896.

109 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:05:11pm

And what next? Hobby Lobby will pass out free yarn kits so stranded drivers can knit themselves blankets to keep warm and also pass the time?

110 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:05:15pm
111 Ace-o-aces  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:05:37pm

re: #11 Pie-onist Overlord

FReepers sure loves ‘em some HOT MANLY PUTIN

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This is the guy who just threw 50 BILLION dollars at the Winter Olympics, about a third of it to out and out graft. I guess the tea party commitment to fiscal responsibilty goes out the window after they see a few shirtless photos.

112 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:06:09pm

Uptick after 1996.

113 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:06:27pm

re: #42 abolitionist

Sort of on-topic, then.

A few years ago, my niece was a victim of domestic violence. A broken jaw was just one of her several injuries. Treatments included prescription drugs for pain. This lead to addictions to some of them —including oxycontin —for which slut-shamer Rush got a slap on the wrist, and renewal of his multi-million dollar contract.

My niece wasn’t so lucky. When her prescriptions ran out, the addictions didn’t, so she was victimized again by our decades-long war on drugs. It’s my understanding that one of her X’s was pressured to participate in the entrapment/sting operation. After conviction, and serving several years in prison, she was released recently. She died yesterday. I’ve been informed it was apparently an overdose of something.

Just shoot me, Huckabee.

Oh, damn. So sorry for your loss.

114 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:06:36pm

re: #96 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)
A lot more than you’d think. These presidents have in just the 20th/21st Century:
2012 Obama 51.02%
2008 Obama 52.86%
2004 Bush 50.73%
1988 Bush 53.37%
1984 Reagan 58.77%
1980 Reagan 50.75%
1976 Carter 50.08%
1972 Nixon 60.67%
1964 LBJ 61.05%
1956 Ike 57.37%
1952 Ike 55.18%
1944 FDR 53.39%
1940 FDR 54.72%
1936 FDR 60.80%
1932 FDR 57.41%
1928 Hoover 58.22%
1924 Coolidge 54.03%
1920 Harding 60.35%
1908 Taft 51.57%
1904 Roosevelt 56.42%
1900 McKinley 51.64%

115 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:06:40pm

Last presidential election, 2012, saw a 57.50% voter turnout.

116 leftynyc  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:07:21pm

re: #94 Ian G.

Also, why would LA, where snow never falls, have people mocking the south for its inability to deal with the snow? That doesn’t make a lick of sense.

No idea - I know we’re cackling like chickens up here in NY about it. We had a foot of snow and school was still open.

117 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:11:28pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

The Democratic Party has plenty of its own problems. But the GOP is increasingly just flat out insane, evil-minded, vindictive and reactionary in ways it’s impossible to count.

Remember “compassionate conservatism?” Now it’s “fuck you conservatism.”

Well, you have to be cruel to be kind, doncha know?

Youtube Video

118 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:11:54pm

re: #116 leftynyc

People were bitching about traffic jams on the Upper East Side though. Even though most of that was due to an accident on the 59th Street Bridge causing issues with plows getting through.

Most everywhere else was in decent shape.

But that’s not to say that there haven’t been problems - like when the LIE froze over and turned into a parking lot of its own, or that folks had exceptionally long commutes.

We can handle snow. We can handle lots of snow, when it’s spread out. We can’t handle heavy snow during rush hour. That only complicates things.

But not having plows or salt spreaders to deal with weather conditions? That’s just poor planning.

119 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:14:34pm

They’re always talking about road fatalities during snow events. They fail to note however that fewer people die on the roads during snow storms because there’s fewer people on the road and people drive at lower speeds. Some of the worst periods are during summer holiday weekends and fall/winter evenings between 6PM and 9PM.

120 Testy Toad T  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:15:35pm

re: #118 lawhawk

But not having plows or salt spreaders to deal with weather conditions? That’s just poor planning.

Alternate viewpoint: that’s totally reasonable planning, because this sort of event is rare.

What’s poor is stuff like this [Atlanta Mayor]:

No you are not. And that’s okay! Seattle isn’t ready for a freak hurricane, either! I hope they wouldn’t pretend otherwise with one bearing down on them.

If Atlanta had functionally shut down like New Orleans did, this story would already be mostly forgotten.

121 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:15:52pm

re: #116 leftynyc

No idea - I know we’re cackling like chickens up here in NY about it. We had a foot of snow and school was still open.

School here has been closed since 1/21.
And we haven’t had mail delivery since 1/18.
I haven’t been out of the holler in a week and a half because there’s a hill about 3/4 mile down the road that is covered in ice. No problem getting down the hill, but 4WD isn’t any real advantage driving back up and I’m not young and crazy anymore.

122 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:18:59pm

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“Hey you! Dumbass. Yeah, you in the tank. You cozy in there?”

123 Ian G.  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:20:48pm

re: #111 Ace-o-aces

This is the guy who just threw 50 BILLION dollars at the Winter Olympics, about a third of it to out and out graft. I guess the tea party commitment to fiscal responsibilty goes out the window after they see a few shirtless photos.

Silly you, you’re still operating under the misinformed belief that the tea party is about anything other than screaming and howling and stamping one’s feet over the ni*CLANG in the White House.

Putin supposedly embarrassed Obama (when? where? it doesn’t matter), and that’s all that matters to these cretins. That he runs a corrupt dictatorship that is routinely embarrassed by Islamist terrorists is irrelevant when you’re giving Obama the finger.

124 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:21:27pm

re: #119 Gus

They’re always talking about road fatalities during snow events. They fail to note however that fewer people die on the roads during snow storms because there’s fewer people on the road and people drive at lower speeds. Some of the worst periods are during summer holiday weekends and fall/winter evenings between 6PM and 9PM.

fog/mist more likely to lead to fatal accidents. Freezing mist is a particularly nasty condition since you get ice conditions suddenly and unpredictably.

125 Testy Toad T  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:22:55pm

re: #120 erik_t

From this goober’s press release:

To maintain safe driving conditions, the Department of Public Works will pre-treat priority bridges and routes. The City has a total of 30 spreaders and 40 snow plows ready for mobilization. With 700 tons of sand/gravel mix on hand, we will use spreaders to treat priority bridges and address any emergencies that may arise. Beginning early Tuesday morning, two 20 person crews will work 12-hour rotational shifts beginning at 7:00 a.m., Tuesday, January 28, 2014 - 7:00 a.m., Wednesday, January 29, 2014. The city also has access to emergency on-call contractors as needed.

There are 200 miles of priority route roadways including 40 bridges, six hospitals, and 16 Police Precincts inside the City of Atlanta.

200 miles… probably 800-1000 lane-miles easily. Forty plows.

Hmm. 1000/40… I can do that math. That’s one pass, one, every 24 hours.

Your citizens wouldn’t have gotten their asses stuck in traffic for ten hours if you hadn’t told them hilariously naive nonsense about your infrastructure’s ability to deal with the problem. Everyone would have stayed home, like they damned well should have.

What a joke.

126 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:23:52pm

re: #124 Feline Fearless Leader

fog/mist more likely to lead to fatal accidents. Freezing mist is a particularly nasty condition since you get ice conditions suddenly and unpredictably.

Zedushka and I were driving on the I-80 two years ago, coming back from a trip to NY when it started to get dark and scary, so I pulled off the road and we checked into a motel for the night.

And then this happened.

127 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:24:37pm

re: #124 Feline Fearless Leader

fog/mist more likely to lead to fatal accidents. Freezing mist is a particularly nasty condition since you get ice conditions suddenly and unpredictably.

Driving really fast when it’s raining is always a good one.

128 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:26:37pm

Another stunning piece of advice. Make sure you have a good set of treads on your tires.

129 EPR-radar  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:27:22pm

It’s way too early for this poll bounce for Huckabee to be meaningful for the 2016 race.

However, it does reflect poorly on Republican voters that this kind of crap by Huckabee helps him in polls.

Romney in 2012 outspent the other freaks in the primary by 5:1 to 10:1 margins. It will be interesting to see what will happen in 2016 if nobody performs that chore.

I can’t decide if the result will be Bigot Bingo or Rube Roulette.

130 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:28:08pm

They’ll live.

131 leftynyc  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:29:30pm

re: #118 lawhawk

People were bitching about traffic jams on the Upper East Side though. Even though most of that was due to an accident on the 59th Street Bridge causing issues with plows getting through.

Most everywhere else was in decent shape.

But that’s not to say that there haven’t been problems - like when the LIE froze over and turned into a parking lot of its own, or that folks had exceptionally long commutes.

We can handle snow. We can handle lots of snow, when it’s spread out. We can’t handle heavy snow during rush hour. That only complicates things.

But not having plows or salt spreaders to deal with weather conditions? That’s just poor planning.

Agree but you have to admit listening to the clowns on the upper east side complain when it’s always been the outer boroughs and downtown that take the longest to get cleared was funny. A few days before that we had a black ice problem in Westchester - I almost fell just walking to Metro North and we still didn’t have the clusterf**k that is Atlanta. I see the governor is trying to blame the socialists at the national weather service.

132 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:29:37pm

re: #129 EPR-radar

It’s way too early for this poll bounce for Huckabee to be meaningful for the 2016 race.

However, it does reflect poorly on Republican voters that this kind of crap by Huckabee helps him in polls.

Romney in 2012 outspent the other freaks in the primary by 5:1 to 10:1 margins. It will be interesting to see what will happen in 2016 if nobody performs that chore.

Mass idiocy is something that tends to gravitate around the Hero of the Day, whover comes up with the most outrageously ideologically baiting statement. Trick is to turn that into GOP convention delegates.

133 bratwurst  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:29:40pm
134 Testy Toad T  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:30:41pm

re: #133 bratwurst

@LOLGOP
Huckabee zooming to the top of the polls for his libido riff is going to lead at least one GOP frontrunner coming out against French kissing

Excuse me, that’s been rebranded “Freedom kissing”.

135 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:31:12pm

re: #118 lawhawk

People were bitching about traffic jams on the Upper East Side though. Even though most of that was due to an accident on the 59th Street Bridge causing issues with plows getting through.

Most everywhere else was in decent shape.

But that’s not to say that there haven’t been problems - like when the LIE froze over and turned into a parking lot of its own, or that folks had exceptionally long commutes.

We can handle snow. We can handle lots of snow, when it’s spread out. We can’t handle heavy snow during rush hour. That only complicates things.

But not having plows or salt spreaders to deal with weather conditions? That’s just poor planning.

People in that part of the country like to complain a lot.

136 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:32:52pm

re: #125 erik_t


and usual salt spread rate is 300-400 pounds per lane per mile.
That 700 tons wouldn’t last very long.

137 leftynyc  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:33:26pm

re: #121 Backwoods_Sleuth

School here has been closed since 1/21.
And we haven’t had mail delivery since 1/18.
I haven’t been out of the holler in a week and a half because there’s a hill about 3/4 mile down the road that is covered in ice. No problem getting down the hill, but 4WD isn’t any real advantage driving back up and I’m not young and crazy anymore.

Oy vey - that sounds like madness. But I’m assuming you’re all safe and sound and not holed up in your office or church. If the governor or mayor claims they’re ready, they better damn well be ready. Our mayor got bitched at for not clearing one particular neighborhood fast enough (of course we’re talking about the wealthiest neighborhood in the city which is why nobody here paid any attention to their whining).

138 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:34:21pm

re: #126 Pie-onist Overlord

Zedushka and I were driving on the I-80 two years ago, coming back from a trip to NY when it started to get dark and scary, so I pulled off the road and we checked into a motel for the night.

And then this happened.

I-80 in Pennsylvania is notorious for that. The highway runs east-west in an area that often seems to be roughly on the snow-rain line for fronts. So I-90 (or the newer I-86) to the north will be all snow while I-76 (PA turnpike) farther south will be all rain. In addition the highway has to get across all the mountain and ridge lines and thus there are a few nasty wind gaps with heavy crosswinds and also some micro-climate areas where normally benign weather conditions elsewhere are actually nasty there.

I tend to avoid I-80 in the winter if at all possible. But in warmer weather it is a somewhat pleasant drive.

139 BongCrodny  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:37:31pm

re: #133 bratwurst

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Huckabido!

140 Weet  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:39:00pm

I’ve been predicting that the Huckster would be their nominee. Also, once I heard ‘Uncle Sugar’, I knew he would be immediately glorified.

Disgusting and crazy, just like the right is.

141 Aunty Entity Dragon  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:39:25pm

I noticed that a lot of people were showing up on Rep Cathy McMorris Rodger’s Facebook page to cheer for getting birth control off of insurance policies and make snarky remarks about “keep your legs closed and your birth control out of my wallet”.

It looks like the wingnuts have latched on contraception just as irrevocably as they have on Benghazi…and almost all of them actually use birth control. I have no frakking clue how they can think this is a winning issue.

142 Aunty Entity Dragon  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:40:26pm

re: #140 Weet

I’ve been predicting that the Huckster would be their nominee. Also, once I heard ‘Uncle Sugar’, I knew he would be immediately glorified.

Disgusting and crazy, just like the right is.

They are going after Wendy Davis from Texas on the whole “Sugar Daddy” thing for being uppity and going to school after she had kids.

143 Please Proceed  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:41:01pm

re: #141 Aunty Entity Dragon

I noticed that a lot of people were showing up on Rep Cathy McMorris Rodger’s Facebook page to cheer for getting birth control off of insurance policies and make snarky remarks about “keep your legs closed and your birth control out of my wallet”.

It looks like the wingnuts have latched on contraception just as irrevocably as they have on Benghazi…and almost all of them actually use birth control. I have no frakking clue how they can think this is a winning issue.

Key word in italics.

144 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:41:05pm

re: #137 leftynyc

Oy vey - that sounds like madness. But I’m assuming you’re all safe and sound and not holed up in your office or church. If the governor or mayor claims they’re ready, they better damn well be ready. Our mayor got bitched at for not clearing one particular neighborhood fast enough (of course we’re talking about the wealthiest neighborhood in the city which is why nobody here paid any attention to their whining).

I’m holed up here on the farm. My young & crazy neighbor went to town to pick up our mail yesterday.
Right now, I haz a grumpy because despite all my best efforts and srsly interrupted sleep pattern to keep the plumbing from freezing, the inlet pipe to my toilet froze sometime before 3 a.m. Now I’m afraid to go to sleep in case the damned thing finally decides to burst.
At least all the other plumbing is behaving what with the constantly dribbling taps. Tonight’s forecast low is above zero for the first time in days, but we don’t get above freezing until Friday.

Ahhh, the joys of backwoods living…

145 EPR-radar  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:41:38pm

re: #140 Weet

I’ve been predicting that the Huckster would be their nominee. Also, once I heard ‘Uncle Sugar’, I knew he would be immediately glorified.

Disgusting and crazy, just like the right is.

Even if a loon like Huckabee is the GOP nominee in 2016, a Mondale-type loss in the election would not happen.

So it is hard to see the GOP taking a loss of sufficient magnitude to cause it to change its ways.

146 Testy Toad T  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:42:06pm

re: #143 Iwouldprefernotto

Key word in italics.

I was literally about to make exactly the same post.

You bastard!

147 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:45:00pm

re: #145 EPR-radar

Even if a loon like Huckabee is the GOP nominee in 2016, a Mondale-type loss in the election would not happen.

So it is hard to see the GOP taking a loss of sufficient magnitude to cause it to change its ways.

They think that they have the rebels liberals on the run because they simply can’t resist derp of that magnitude.

148 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:45:28pm

re: #142 Aunty Entity Dragon

They are going after Wendy Davis from Texas on the whole “Sugar Daddy” thing for being uppity and going to school after she had kids.

And the cognitive dissonance is so astounding because there are more women who put their own education on hold and worked whatever job they could find to put their husbands through school (mostly medical and law school from my own, admittedly, limited experience of what I’ve seen happen to friends), only to be dumped once the husband has achieved career success.

149 Mattand  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:52:25pm

re: #42 abolitionist

Sort of on-topic, then.

A few years ago, my niece was a victim of domestic violence. A broken jaw was just one of her several injuries. Treatments included prescription drugs for pain. This lead to addictions to some of them —including oxycontin —for which slut-shamer Rush got a slap on the wrist, and renewal of his multi-million dollar contract.

My niece wasn’t so lucky. When her prescriptions ran out, the addictions didn’t, so she was victimized again by our decades-long war on drugs. It’s my understanding that one of her X’s was pressured to participate in the entrapment/sting operation. After conviction, and serving several years in prison, she was released recently. She died yesterday. I’ve been informed it was apparently an overdose of something.

Just shoot me, Huckabee.

So sorry to hear this. Condolences to you, her parents, and the family.

150 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:53:06pm

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

And the cognitive dissonance is so astounding because there are more women who put their own education on hold and worked whatever job they could find to put their husbands through school (mostly medical and law school from my own, admittedly, limited experience of what I’ve seen happen to friends), only to be dumped once the husband has achieved career success.

They are tone deaf to undersand that in their attempts to say anything bad they can find about WD, they are mocking women all over Texas who have worked hard to raise a family and still get an education.

151 kerFuFFler  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:56:50pm

re: #1 Gus

>Huckabee/Santorum 2016

I thought Santorum/Atanus 2016 had a good ring to it.

152 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:58:17pm

We are all Showedin now.

153 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:59:33pm

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m holed up here on the farm. My young & crazy neighbor went to town to pick up our mail yesterday.
Right now, I haz a grumpy because despite all my best efforts and srsly interrupted sleep pattern to keep the plumbing from freezing, the inlet pipe to my toilet froze sometime before 3 a.m. Now I’m afraid to go to sleep in case the damned thing finally decides to burst.
At least all the other plumbing is behaving what with the constantly dribbling taps. Tonight’s forecast low is above zero for the first time in days, but we don’t get above freezing until Friday.

Ahhh, the joys of backwoods living…

May I suggest that once you get the inlet piped thawed out, that you adjust the tank float so that is keeps the water running. Excess water will run down the overflow tube into the bowl and after it reaches a certain level, will automatically drain. That should help keep it from freezing up again.

154 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 12:59:39pm

re: #150 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

They are tone deaf to undersand that in their attempts to say anything bad they can find about WD, they are mocking women all over Texas America who have worked hard to raise a family and still get an education.

155 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:00:32pm

Just the place to take your significant other for Valentine’s Day!

myinsectarium.com

Was perusing a list of Philadelphia museums and this popped up. :)

Also found this - which I walked past over the weekend while out taking pictures of things with snow on them.

nmajh.org

156 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:03:01pm

Are people forgetting that Huckabee was a preacher? He has brought that whole attitude forward to politics, in fact, it informs his politics in huge ways.

Anyone who would vote for a preacher, past or present, has a screw loose. But I’m an equal opportunity choicer in that regard—no other religious leader would qualify for my vote, either, no matter who they were.

Keep church and state separate, and that goes for anyone for whom I vote, from local politics on up.

157 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:03:13pm

Not snowing here. Had about another 2 inches the day before. No accumulations. Haven’t had anything over 6 inches. Been snowing at least once a week. 2 inches or so. 51 today. Got a sweater and a fleece jacket on. Watch cap. My legs are cold as are my feet. Still gets really cold at night. Winter is a disgusting time of year.

158 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:04:06pm
159 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:04:55pm

re: #155 Feline Fearless Leader

Just the place to take your significant other for Valentine’s Day!

myinsectarium.com

Was perusing a list of Philadelphia museums and this popped up. :)

Also found this - which I walked past over the weekend while out taking pictures of things with snow on them.

nmajh.org

Heh. A couple of years back, I was dating a girl who, unknown to me, was absolutely terrified of butterflies. I discovered this when we went to an arboretum, and in one of the little buildings, it was filled with butterflies, all fluttering about.

She became nervous after a few minutes, and when one landed on her, well…….game over.

She ran out of there screaming like her hair was on fire. When I came out, she was sitting on a bench, shaking uncontrollably.

160 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:06:43pm

re: #153 Bubblehead II

May I suggest that once you get the inlet piped thawed out, that you adjust the tank float so that is keeps the water running. Excess water will run down the overflow tube into the bowl and after it reaches a certain level, will automatically drain. That should help keep it from freezing up again.

yep…that thought occurred to me after the fact.
I was so freakin tired last night and all I could think of was “what a time to have fixed that leaky float problem…”

yes, I can be that braindead to not have thought to just move a link or two on the float chain…

161 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:07:42pm

re: #158 Targetpractice

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162 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:07:51pm

No “dead” leafless trees. No grey skies. No ugly dirty slushy streets. No brown dead grass. No cold winds. No driving in ice, snow or slush. No horrible sweaters and jackets or fingerless gloves. No icky watch caps. No short days and long nights. No freezing drafts that feel like a small breeze. No head feeling ice cold. No cold legs. No cold feet. Winter. Sucks.

163 A Mom Anon  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:08:19pm

re: #159 Dr Lizardo

My son hates butterflies too. Why I have no clue. This from a kid who used to pick up dead animals and bring them to me. But butterflies are “creepy, eww, (((shudder)))”. Humans are weird.

164 leftynyc  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:10:02pm

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m holed up here on the farm. My young & crazy neighbor went to town to pick up our mail yesterday.
Right now, I haz a grumpy because despite all my best efforts and srsly interrupted sleep pattern to keep the plumbing from freezing, the inlet pipe to my toilet froze sometime before 3 a.m. Now I’m afraid to go to sleep in case the damned thing finally decides to burst.
At least all the other plumbing is behaving what with the constantly dribbling taps. Tonight’s forecast low is above zero for the first time in days, but we don’t get above freezing until Friday.

Ahhh, the joys of backwoods living…

I am woefully ignorant about frozen pipes so this could be a stupid question - is there anything other than letting water dribble from the faucet that can alleviate the freeze? Although it sounds kinds fun to be holed up like that, I’m sure you must be getting some serious cabin fever and having to worry about pipes freezing takes a bunch of the fun away. Please stay safe and as warm as you can.

165 leftynyc  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:11:40pm

re: #145 EPR-radar

Even if a loon like Huckabee is the GOP nominee in 2016, a Mondale-type loss in the election would not happen.

So it is hard to see the GOP taking a loss of sufficient magnitude to cause it to change its ways.

But even if they lose it would be different from what they claim. They INSIST a truly conservative candidate would ALWAYS win. If the polls showed him losing, I’m sure they would all of a sudden find reason to call him a RINO. Conservatives don’t take responsibility for anything.

166 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:12:21pm

re: #163 A Mom Anon

My son hates butterflies too. Why I have no clue. This from a kid who used to pick up dead animals and bring them to me. But butterflies are “creepy, eww, (((shudder)))”. Humans are weird.

Yep. This young lass was also intensely arachnophobic. Once we were sitting around the apartment, an a good-sized garden spider came into the room. She promptly ran out of the room and locked herself into the bathroom, repeating over and over again, “Kill it….kill it……kill it.”

I caught it by letting it crawl onto my hand and let it out the window.

167 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:13:22pm

re: #165 leftynyc

But even if they lose it would be different from what they claim. They INSIST a truly conservative candidate would ALWAYS win. If the polls showed him losing, I’m sure they would all of a sudden find reason to call him a RINO. Conservatives don’t take responsibility for anything.

Conservatism cannot fail, it can only be failed. If one is not winning over the voters, then it is because they are insufficiently conservative.

168 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:15:48pm

re: #166 Dr Lizardo

Just imagine if she’d seen the Vermicious Knids.

169 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:20:49pm

Also, a policeman was found dead in a park of a gunshot wound, and Russia has restarted tight border controls and other restrictions at the border for Ukrainian goods.

1:19 p.m., Jan. 29 — Misonceptions abound that parliament is considering legal amnesty for people who have committed serious crimes. That’s not the case, says opposition leader Arseniy Yatseniuk, the leader the Batkivhshchyna Party led by imprisoned ex-Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko. He said that murder, attacks on journalists, abductions and torture are all categories of crimes that will not be exempt from punishment. Murderers will continue to be punished. So will officers who attack journalists. So will anybody who kidnaps, assaults or tortures. Yatseniuk said that the opposition considers as unacceptable the ruling party’s demand that street demonstrations end before agreeing to grant amnesty to EuroMaidan participants detained for non-serious crimes. Parliament will reconvene at 2 p.m. today to discuss the amnesty provisions to be adopted into law.

Under the amnesty also be covered cases involving attacks on journalists: “No officer, any police officer will not be covered by amnesty if he committed the attack on journalists.” — Brian Bonner

kyivpost.com

170 EPR-radar  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:23:31pm

re: #165 leftynyc

But even if they lose it would be different from what they claim. They INSIST a truly conservative candidate would ALWAYS win. If the polls showed him losing, I’m sure they would all of a sudden find reason to call him a RINO. Conservatives don’t take responsibility for anything.

In 1984, Mondale carried only a single state + DC, and was nearly 20 points behind in the national popular vote.

If the GOP were to lose on that scale (which it richly deserves to do), the worst excesses of the conservative movement would likely be drummed out of the party by the big $$$ faction.

However, the GOP can’t experience a loss of this magnitude. There are a bunch of red states that would be impossible for the GOP to lose, and nation-wide there is a big problem of people voting GOP without themselves being as bug-eyed nuts as the GOP has become.

171 Lidane  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:25:13pm

Meanwhile, in Nevada:

172 ObserverArt  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:26:19pm

re: #73 Lidane

THIS.

The Democrats are hardly perfect. I’ve got my own issues and disagreements with them. But at least they acknowledge things like reality, science, reason, history, and every bit of social progress that humans have made since Gutenberg invented movable type. That’s huge bonus for them.

If everyone remembers, Big Bill Clinton was one of the first Centrist Democrats and supported Big Business a lot more than Democrats previously. There was a reason for that.

After the crash and burn times of Carter not holding for a second term and Mondale and Dukakis the Democrat party came to realize that being far left was no longer going to work for the Presidency. Also, Ron Reagan started to take the Republican party a bit more far right than before and that worked for them for two cycles. By the time Bush 1 came around it seemed the Republicans could run a guy off the street and beat the Democrats. Also during Bush 1 times, Rush Limbaugh went national and became a force for carrying Republican water.

So as the Republicans became more and more far right driven by people like Rush being a day-to-day campaigner and creating “ditto heads” the Democrats realized that as they moved from the left, the middle was more open. Big Bill came in and filled that middle and at the point it seemed the Democrats would be very successful occupying the middle and actually speaking for more and more of the country.

Then came 2000 and Bush 2 came along and for a bit it seemed he would shift back to the middle a bit more with his “compassionate conservative” spiel and everyone knows what happened. Gore and Bush 2 literally tied.

But Rush never stopped and along came even more Republican far right media with FOX News, Glen Beck and a whole host of Little Limbaughs and of course Bush 2 snuck by Kerry with a huge slime campaign driven by that new crazy conservative media.

But that may have been where the Republicans became too punch drunk on crazy far right thinking it would be easy using their new media and a host of slime specialists like the Swift Boaters.

What seemed to have happened though is they abandoned the real middle centrists people (like me and I suspect many here at LGF) and stayed drunk on crazy and the centrists folks just got sick and tired of their crap.

Then an African American guy with a good deal of speaking ability and a visage of being the future new America of color came along and out-Clinton-ed a Clinton and swept an election by again taking a middle stance and bringing the new America of color with him.

And it appeared to scare the bejeebers out of the right which lost out with their own flawed middle-man McCain who was stupid enough to try to appease the far right loons and the now very political Christians with Sister Sarah Palin.

So what did the Republicans do when Obama won? They went nuts. They tried to go back centrist and appease the nuts who now were concerned about not being far right enough with McCain. The wanted their cake and tried to eat it too. They invited in the new Tea Party by astro-turfing them with big bucks and played to them to the point they created a far right monster. No one in the middle likes the monsters.

As the most recent election proved, a flawed centrist Romney who was never going to meet the needs of the crazy right Tea Party sent signals to America that the Republicans were out of control and off the rails. Clueless to it all, they still seem to think they can still have their cake and eat it too and now they are fractured badly and it appears have no clue how to bring it all back to the center which now also has more females with power and people of color too.

Can the Republican come back to attract what they used to have made-in-the-shade during the 80s? Who the hell knows, but if they do not do some major purging and signal they will try to be reasonable and realize women and people of color now strengthen the middle and they need to attract them they will be in the same position as the Dems were in the 80s antionally…no one really giving them the time of the day.

So, here we are. How do most of the LGF members (centrist pretty much) see the Grand Old Party? Every here probably knows the general tone.

The Republicans have big problems. And as long as they keep tweeting with the twits, trying to back away and still keep Rush, FOX and the Tea Party happy they appear to be broken in many pieces as last night showed us all too well.

As many here seem to feel (not all, but they too better read the Tea leafs) the only hope is to purge, purge and purge some more. But can they?

Not with a bumbling director like RNC PR BS and a still yapping FOX and Limbaugh. They really (to me and I suspect others) need to start the purge with Rush, Roger Ailes and Priebus. It would be a shock to the system and it might still keep them off the rails for a bit, but maybe in an other two or so cycles they might be able to come back and fight for the new more female and full of people of color middle or just flat give it all up.

And if they lose the house in 2014, as difficult as that may be, but not out of reason, they can put paid to the party for a long time.

It is all there in History! And we all know what happens when you forget history.

173 bratwurst  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:27:49pm

I guess there are no economic problems in Missouri these days. The General Assembly there has now but forth twelve different anti-abortion bills so far THIS YEAR. Here is a summary of them.

174 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:30:30pm

re: #164 leftynyc

I am woefully ignorant about frozen pipes so this could be a stupid question - is there anything other than letting water dribble from the faucet that can alleviate the freeze? Although it sounds kinds fun to be holed up like that, I’m sure you must be getting some serious cabin fever and having to worry about pipes freezing takes a bunch of the fun away. Please stay safe and as warm as you can.

Most of our plumbing has foam wrap, a couple of places that are adjacent to outside walls have heat tape. Normally, we might have a couple of days of sub-zero temps each winter. This time, it’s been MANY days, and it’s been as cold as -12.
I’m just so tired of this. I want to get my garden started!

176 Lidane  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:33:38pm
177 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:33:51pm

re: #172 ObserverArt

If the GOP loses the House and fails to regain the Senate this November, the freakout will be of epic proportions.

I do believe it’s far more likely the GOP will retain the House, albeit with a lowered majority - perhaps as few as a five seat majority. I don’t think they’ll take the Senate, I will concede, there’s a small possibility of the Democrats retaking the House.

An electoral debacle for the GOP come 2016 - a strong likelihood, in my opinion - will be the death knell for the GOP as a national party unless they purge the wingnuts.

178 dog philosopher  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:36:44pm

re: #151 kerFuFFler

I thought Santorum/Atanus 2016 had a good ring to it.

“God is angry. We are provoking him with abortions and same-sex marriage and civil unions,” she added, blaming natural disasters like tornadoes and diseases including autism and dementia on recent advances in the LGBT movement.

but this is my favorite:

she claims the stock market crash of 1929 never actually happened

179 A Mom Anon  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:37:38pm

re: #174 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think I’ve lost most of the perennial plants in my garden. My lavender looks like it didn’t make it, I’m pretty sure the lemon thyme is gone, so it the catnip. I’m not sure about the Shasta daisies and black-eyed Susans. I guess I won’t know til spring. We’ve had several days where the temps went below 20, which isn’t good for plants not used to that level of cold. On the upside, maybe the cold will kill some of those hideous little stinky beetle things that came here from Asia (I think), they’re bronzed color about the size of a lady bug. They infested the vegetable garden the last few years, I hope they’re gone.

180 GeneJockey  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:39:58pm

re: #178 dog philosopher

“God is angry. We are provoking him with abortions and same-sex marriage and civil unions,” she added, blaming natural disasters like tornadoes and diseases including autism and dementia on recent advances in the LGBT movement.

but this is my favorite:

she claims the stock market crash of 1929 never actually happened

The best part is you can abbreviate her name as @anus.

181 EPR-radar  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:40:12pm

re: #178 dog philosopher

Impressive. Atanus shows true creativity in right-wing derping, by denying the fact of the crash of 1929.

182 Kid A  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:42:03pm
183 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:42:04pm

re: #175 Killgore Trout

Peter Beinart: Obama and his administration should stay away from this year’s AIPAC Conference

What we need is more pundits with opinions! :D //

184 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:42:14pm

re: #174 Backwoods_Sleuth

Most of our plumbing has foam wrap, a couple of places that are adjacent to outside walls have heat tape. Normally, we might have a couple of days of sub-zero temps each winter. This time, it’s been MANY days, and it’s been as cold as -12.
I’m just so tired of this. I want to get my garden started!

Planting snow peas this year?

185 A Mom Anon  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:42:21pm

re: #178 dog philosopher

OMG. Autism is punishment? She can just kiss my ass. I am so sick of that crap. I’ve had more than a couple of “Christians” tell me that having an autistic child must mean I’m burning off bad karma, I just wasn’t holy enough or pray enough. How I am not in jail for assault is a testament to my own remarkable compassion for the stupid.

186 GeneJockey  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:42:47pm

re: #181 EPR-radar

Impressive. Atanus shows true creativity in right-wing derping, by denying the fact of the crash of 1929.

If you’re going to deny reality, why stop with Science?

187 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:43:06pm

re: #166 Dr Lizardo

Yep. This young lass was also intensely arachnophobic. Once we were sitting around the apartment, an a good-sized garden spider came into the room. She promptly ran out of the room and locked herself into the bathroom, repeating over and over again, “Kill it….kill it……kill it.”

I caught it by letting it crawl onto my hand and let it out the window.

And you have the Chinese Hornets, amirite?

188 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:43:10pm

re: #182 Kid A

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I’d love to hear his answer considering Reagan I believe has the most by any president not named FDR.

189 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:44:10pm

Doritos [x]
Diet Coke [x]

190 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:44:23pm

I actually think Huckabee could very well be the nominee in 2016. He’s “next in line” so to speak given he was third against McCain and Romney, and I see him being an evangelical having more sway with them then the Catholic Santorum could. Pretty scary to think that the GOP electorate makes front runners of people who make George W. Bush look like a raging progressive.

191 Lidane  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:45:27pm
192 dog philosopher  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:45:30pm

re: #181 EPR-radar

Impressive. Atanus shows true creativity in right-wing derping, by denying the fact of the crash of 1929.

i think she’s on to something here. as a matter of fact, i advise her to deny the revisionist history that declares that the americas were invaded by europeans from another continent, which is obviously designed to denigrate european americans and justify the welfare state

it’s all obvious if you only hallucinate think about it

193 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:47:19pm

re: #191 Lidane

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But when asked if they’d like to use the same government to deny same sex couples rights, they probably would do a hell yeah. That’s the problem with the Republicans. They claim to be for small government and yet repeatedly show themselves to be big government advocates themselves when their pet issues are at stake.

194 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:47:26pm

re: #179 A Mom Anon

I think I’ve lost most of the perennial plants in my garden. My lavender looks like it didn’t make it, I’m pretty sure the lemon thyme is gone, so it the catnip. I’m not sure about the Shasta daisies and black-eyed Susans. I guess I won’t know til spring. We’ve had several days where the temps went below 20, which isn’t good for plants not used to that level of cold. On the upside, maybe the cold will kill some of those hideous little stinky beetle things that came here from Asia (I think), they’re bronzed color about the size of a lady bug. They infested the vegetable garden the last few years, I hope they’re gone.

Something like golden tortoise beetles?

en.wikipedia.org

I had them in my morning glories - but they were sort of seasonal. Lots for a few weeks while they bred, the larva for a while, and then very few the rest of the summer.

195 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:47:43pm

re: #179 A Mom Anon

I think I’ve lost most of the perennial plants in my garden. My lavender looks like it didn’t make it, I’m pretty sure the lemon thyme is gone, so it the catnip. I’m not sure about the Shasta daisies and black-eyed Susans. I guess I won’t know til spring. We’ve had several days where the temps went below 20, which isn’t good for plants not used to that level of cold. On the upside, maybe the cold will kill some of those hideous little stinky beetle things that came here from Asia (I think), they’re bronzed color about the size of a lady bug. They infested the vegetable garden the last few years, I hope they’re gone.

I think most of your perennials should be fine. The lemon thyme and catnip will surprise you…they are infamous for looking dead and then one day, halleluja! Particularly for the catnip, it take a lot to kill a mint.

196 Testy Toad T  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:48:59pm

re: #181 EPR-radar

Impressive. Atanus shows true creativity in right-wing derping, by denying the fact of the crash of 1929.

I suppose that’s one good way to alienate one of the GOP’s only remaining safe demographics, the Ancient White Person.

197 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:49:16pm

re: #184 Feline Fearless Leader

Planting snow peas this year?

I always plant peas on St. Patrick’s Day…no idea why other than it’s a longtime backwoods tradition to do so.

198 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:49:27pm

Gomer Pyle/Lawrence Welk wannabe Rev. Huckabee can kiss my ass.

He reveres women so much he won’t consider allowing them to make their own individual choices.

The Legislative Chamber reverberated with the cheers of women last night —Obama nailed it.

Do you think the GOP had a clue?

199 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:50:03pm

re: #183 Gus

What we need is more pundits with opinions! :D //

Normally I would dismiss the call to skip AIPAC as a silly suggestion that ain’t gonna happen. I think it’s unlikely but still a possibility. I would argue that these are the people Obama should reach out to but it’s not out of the question that Obama might skip AIPAC. Things are changing and our traditional international roles and allies aren’t going to last forever.

200 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:50:20pm

re: #197 Backwoods_Sleuth

I always plant peas on St. Patrick’s Day…no idea why other than it’s a longtime backwoods tradition to do so.

Generally a hardy species (until the bunnies or cats eat them). And you can also often get two crops in.

201 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:51:58pm

One doesn’t have to be a medical or psych professional to know that the idea that women can’t control their libido is classic Projection.

202 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:54:28pm

re: #172 ObserverArt

If everyone remembers, Big Bill Clinton was one of the first Centrist Democrats and supported Big Business a lot more than Democrats previously. There was a reason for that.

After the crash and burn times of Carter not holding for a second term and Mondale and Dukakis the Democrat party came to realize that being far left was no longer going to work for the Presidency. Also, Ron Reagan started to take the Republican party a bit more far right than before and that worked for them for two cycles. By the time Bush 1 came around it seemed the Republicans could run a guy off the street and beat the Democrats. Also during Bush 1 times, Rush Limbaugh went national and became a force for carrying Republican water.

So as the Republicans became more and more far right driven by people like Rush being a day-to-day campaigner and creating “ditto heads” the Democrats realized that as they moved from the left, the middle was more open. Big Bill came in and filled that middle and at the point it seemed the Democrats would be very successful occupying the middle and actually speaking for more and more of the country.

Then came 2000 and Bush 2 came along and for a bit it seemed he would shift back to the middle a bit more with his “compassionate conservative” spiel and everyone knows what happened. Gore and Bush 2 literally tied.

But Rush never stopped and along came even more Republican far right media with FOX News, Glen Beck and a whole host of Little Limbaughs and of course Bush 2 snuck by Kerry with a huge slime campaign driven by that new crazy conservative media.

But that may have been where the Republicans became too punch drunk on crazy far right thinking it would be easy using their new media and a host of slime specialists like the Swift Boaters.

What seemed to have happened though is they abandoned the real middle centrists people (like me and I suspect many here at LGF) and stayed drunk on crazy and the centrists folks just got sick and tired of their crap.

Then an African American guy with a good deal of speaking ability and a visage of being the future new America of color came along and out-Clinton-ed a Clinton and swept an election by again taking a middle stance and bringing the new America of color with him.

And it appeared to scare the bejeebers out of the right which lost out with their own flawed middle-man McCain who was stupid enough to try to appease the far right loons and the now very political Christians with Sister Sarah Palin.

So what did the Republicans do when Obama won? They went nuts. They tried to go back centrist and appease the nuts who now were concerned about not being far right enough with McCain. The wanted their cake and tried to eat it too. They invited in the new Tea Party by astro-turfing them with big bucks and played to them to the point they created a far right monster. No one in the middle likes the monsters.

As the most recent election proved, a flawed centrist Romney who was never going to meet the needs of the crazy right Tea Party sent signals to America that the Republicans were out of control and off the rails. Clueless to it all, they still seem to think they can still have their cake and eat it too and now they are fractured badly and it appears have no clue how to bring it all back to the center which now also has more females with power and people of color too.

Can the Republican come back to attract what they used to have made-in-the-shade during the 80s? Who the hell knows, but if they do not do some major purging and signal they will try to be reasonable and realize women and people of color now strengthen the middle and they need to attract them they will be in the same position as the Dems were in the 80s antionally…no one really giving them the time of the day.

So, here we are. How do most of the LGF members (centrist pretty much) see the Grand Old Party? Every here probably knows the general tone.

The Republicans have big problems. And as long as they keep tweeting with the twits, trying to back away and still keep Rush, FOX and the Tea Party happy they appear to be broken in many pieces as last night showed us all too well.

As many here seem to feel (not all, but they too better read the Tea leafs) the only hope is to purge, purge and purge some more. But can they?

Not with a bumbling director like RNC PR BS and a still yapping FOX and Limbaugh. They really (to me and I suspect others) need to start the purge with Rush, Roger Ailes and Priebus. It would be a shock to the system and it might still keep them off the rails for a bit, but maybe in an other two or so cycles they might be able to come back and fight for the new more female and full of people of color middle or just flat give it all up.

And if they lose the house in 2014, as difficult as that may be, but not out of reason, they can put paid to the party for a long time.

It is all there in History! And we all know what happens when you forget history.

I think we have to be careful here.

I don’t think the Democratic Party itself has ever been “far left” unless you think civil rights, the safety net and support of unions is “far left” and I don’t. Carter was definitely no “far leftist”; he simply wasn’t a very good president and the country suffered through oil shortages and awful inflation during his tenure, resulting in higher than normal unemployment. That is what really set the stage for Reagan.

The fact is, that after 2 Reagan terms (staged managed by his advisers to a large degree), the Republican Party started going even more right, esp after the older Bush proved not to be as far to the right as the party wished. After Clinton’s 2 terms, and in spite of his more centrist positions on many issues, the Republican Party went even further to the right and we got George Bush, another figurehead (IMHO) who did the will of the Neocons like Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc, giving us Afghanistan and Iraq after 9/11 and setting up privatization of many, many govt services. This privatization had really started under Reagan and stalled a bit, but Bush brought the idea into full flower.

At any rate, the disgust and anti-war attitudes that came during that period set us up for Barack Obama, who seemed like a breath of fresh air in the squalid stink of DC and its warmongering and profiteering. That he turned out to be more of a centrist Democrat on some issues, given the problems he inherited isn’t much of a surprise, really. It was important to keep institutions in place and this is what he was able to accomplish, to his credit.

The fact is, the GOP has gone so far right in many areas because of Obama’s election that it has smeared its own name for decades. I don’t think there is much to fear from them unless World War III erupts any time soon. It’s the Democrats who seem “moderate” and “centrist”, even though their programs are pretty much in the same vein as they’ve always been.

203 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:55:09pm

Almost time for my Maoist hazing.

//

204 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:56:18pm

re: #187 Pie-onist Overlord

And you have the Chinese Hornets, amirite?

Yep, them too! Lots of fun!

205 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:56:28pm

Putin puts the squeeze on Ukraine: Russia to await new Ukraine government before fully implementing rescue-Putin

President Vladimir Putin raised the pressure on Ukraine on Wednesday, saying Russia would wait until it forms a new government before fully implementing a $15 billion bailout deal that Kiev urgently needs.
…
A day after Prime Minister Mykola Azarov resigned on Tuesday, hoping to appease the opposition and street protesters, Russia tightened border checks on imports from Ukraine in what looked like a reminder to Yanukovich not to install a government that tilts policy back towards the West.

206 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:57:04pm

Did Timothy Carney get paid for this shitload of Derp? Because according to its negative value, he should owe the publisher about $50,000.

207 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:57:57pm

re: #179 A Mom Anon

I think I’ve lost most of the perennial plants in my garden. My lavender looks like it didn’t make it, I’m pretty sure the lemon thyme is gone, so it the catnip. I’m not sure about the Shasta daisies and black-eyed Susans. I guess I won’t know til spring. We’ve had several days where the temps went below 20, which isn’t good for plants not used to that level of cold. On the upside, maybe the cold will kill some of those hideous little stinky beetle things that came here from Asia (I think), they’re bronzed color about the size of a lady bug. They infested the vegetable garden the last few years, I hope they’re gone.

Hey, I had lavender, thyme, rosemary and they survived NC winters. I have some in pots on my balcony and they survived in those, too. The daisies should make i. I had many perennials (I naturalized my son’s front yard) and they always survived.

208 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 1:59:21pm

re: #206 Pie-onist Overlord

Did Timothy Carney get paid for this shitload of Derp? Because according to its negative value, he should owe the publisher about $50,000.

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If you see labor as merely another commodity to be minimalized to reduce costs, then you can buy all these arguments against minimumwage, equal pay or collective bargaining.

But if a society places any social value on labor as part of human dignity and freedom: namely the ability to earn enough to support oneself and one’s family from a full-time job, then we need to have labor laws in place that recognize this view of labor.

209 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:01:24pm
210 jaunte  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:02:08pm

re: #209 wrenchwench

Rompiendo is such a great word for that.

211 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:02:16pm

re: #199 Killgore Trout

Normally I would dismiss the call to skip AIPAC as a silly suggestion that ain’t gonna happen. I think it’s unlikely but still a possibility. I would argue that these are the people Obama should reach out to but it’s not out of the question that Obama might skip AIPAC. Things are changing and our traditional international roles and allies aren’t going to last forever.

I think it’s important that he does attend this year. My guess right now would be that he will attend or someone else from his administration will attend. This could be either John Kerry, Joe Biden or someone else. Someone should attend. As for “Open Zion” I barely pay attention to them anymore. I follow J Street on Twitter but stopped receiving their email notices. AIPAC as you know is distorted by the usual suspects.

212 A Mom Anon  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:02:24pm

re: #194 Feline Fearless Leader

No, those aren’t it. These things are stinky and they are weird shaped, it’s hard to explain. They’re more of a bronze color than gold, and they’re teeny.

I hope at least the lavender made it, I have 9 HUGE plants, but they look like they’re totally dead. I was able to snap off limbs and the whole stem was dead. I’m kinda bummed about that one. I love lavender.

213 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:02:53pm

re: #208 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

If you see labor as merely another commodity to be minimalized to reduce costs, then you can buy all these arguments against minimumwage, equal pay or collective bargaining.

But if a society places any social value on labor as part of human dignity and freedom: namely the ability to earn enough to support oneself and one family from a full-time job, then we need to have labor laws in place that recognize this view of labor.

And I don’t think they’ve worked out the consequences of what happens when you totally treat labor as a commodity (and minimize the cost) *and* do not compensate via a social safety net. You end up with a massive and increasingly desperate underclass that eventually realizes it has nothing to lose. And then you have to invest all that money you saved in fortifications and mercenaries to protect yourself and your assets.

And then you wake up one morning and the mercenaries have decided to run things themselves rather than be treated as another commodity to be underpaid and treated like crap.

214 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:03:36pm

Neiman Marcus tells me that some of their credit customers have had their accounts used in a fraudulent manner —store accounts as well as Visa, Mastercard etc.

I shopped at their on-line outlet for the first time in years last December.

sigh.

215 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:03:37pm

re: #208 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

If you see labor as merely another commodity to be minimalized to reduce costs, then you can buy all these arguments against minimumwage, equal pay or collective bargaining.

But if a society places any social value on labor as part of human dignity and freedom: namely the ability to earn enough to support oneself and one family from a full-time job, then we need to have labor laws in place that recognize this view of labor.

And that’s just it…….cons/libertarians don’t place any social value on labor. For them labor is indeed another commodity whose cost is to be minimalized, like printer paper or office supplies.

Office supplies; that pretty much sums up that line of thinking on the cons/libertarians part: Human beings are nothing more than office supplies.

216 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:04:57pm

re: #215 Dr Lizardo

And that’s just it…….cons/libertarians don’t place any social value on labor. For them labor is indeed another commodity whose cost is to be minimalized, like printer paper or office supplies.

Office supplies; that pretty much sums up that line of thinking on the cons/libertarians part: Human beings are nothing more than office supplies.

I was aghast when the California Dept. of Labor became the Human Resource Department in the 70s or so.

217 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:05:52pm

re: #208 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

If you see labor as merely another commodity to be minimalized to reduce costs, then you can buy all these arguments against minimumwage, equal pay or collective bargaining.

But if a society places any social value on labor as part of human dignity and freedom: namely the ability to earn enough to support oneself and one family from a full-time job, then we need to have labor laws in place that recognize this view of labor.

Labor is viewed as a means to and end, like any other line item on the expense side of the balance sheet. Labor is not an asset it is a liability.

I’ve worked too many minimum wage jobs to be convinced otherwise.

218 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:07:22pm

re: #216 wrenchwench

I was aghast when the California Dept. of Labor became the Human Resource Department in the 70s or so.

I would expect a ghast to view humans as a resource though.
/

219 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:07:39pm

re: #216 wrenchwench

I was aghast when the California Dept. of Labor became the Human Resource Department in the 70s or so.

I can still remember when what are now called “Human Resource Departments” just about everywhere were called “Personnel Departments”. It was transitioning around the time I entered the labor force.

220 BongCrodny  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:08:13pm

Nice little video on the problems with the U.S. healthcare system:

John Green explains the U.S. healthcare system

The bit right around the 4:00 mark is very interesting:

“However, there are a bunch of states like Texas that have passed tort reform to limit malpractice suits, and in those states, healthcare costs have dropped by an average of a whopping .1%.”

221 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:08:21pm

re: #212 A Mom Anon

No, those aren’t it. These things are stinky and they are weird shaped, it’s hard to explain. They’re more of a bronze color than gold, and they’re teeny.

I hope at least the lavender made it, I have 9 HUGE plants, but they look like they’re totally dead. I was able to snap off limbs and the whole stem was dead. I’m kinda bummed about that one. I love lavender.

If it’s going to stay cold there, cover your lavender plants with mulch or even an old sheet or blanket. Prune away the dead stuff. They could surprise you by coming back to life when Spring returns.

222 dog philosopher  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:10:03pm

re: #215 Dr Lizardo

And that’s just it…….cons/libertarians don’t place any social value on labor. For them labor is indeed another commodity whose cost is to be minimalized, like printer paper or office supplies.

Office supplies; that pretty much sums up that line of thinking on the cons/libertarians part: Human beings are nothing more than office supplies.

in economic analysis, saving money on labor could only be compared to saving money on office supplies if office supplies went shopping and bought hamburgers

this is the problem with the “raising the minimum wage will kill jobs” argument

223 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:10:44pm

re: #220 BongCrodny

Nice little video on the problems with the U.S. healthcare system:

John Green explains the U.S. healthcare system

The bit right around the 4:00 mark is very interesting:

That’s because lawsuits don’t really affect health care costs. Most insurance companies have more than enough reserve to cover them. Multi-million $$ decisions for plaintiffs are rare.

224 gwangung  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:11:02pm

re: #215 Dr Lizardo

And that’s just it…….cons/libertarians don’t place any social value on labor. For them labor is indeed another commodity whose cost is to be minimalized, like printer paper or office supplies.

Office supplies; that pretty much sums up that line of thinking on the cons/libertarians part: Human beings are nothing more than office supplies.

Yup. Pretty much not a transaction system of equals.

225 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:11:51pm

So, I found a new author (new to me) Don DeLillo.

Anyway in one part of his book Underworld an old man character states that we don’t want the Cold War to be over. The Cold War is what keeps America great and old white men in control. Everything will fall apart, he says, if the Cold War Ends.

“You won’t be able to look a a women on the street and have an erotic thought” if the Cold War ends.

Viewed in the light of current events, I think that character is on to something.

226 dog philosopher  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:12:40pm

re: #220 BongCrodny

tort reform

yet another big government solution from the gop

227 BongCrodny  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:13:41pm

re: #223 Justanotherhuman

That’s because lawsuits don’t really affect health care costs. Most insurance companies have more than enough reserve to cover them. Multi-million $$ decisions for plaintiffs are rare.

Yep, exactly.

In my years of doing legal secretary work, it wasn’t uncommon for legal fees to be ultimately more expensive than the eventual negotiated settlement.

I never worked in medical malpractice, but I don’t see why that would be any different than other legal fields.

228 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:18:11pm

re: #227 BongCrodny

Yep, exactly.

In my years of doing legal secretary work, it wasn’t uncommon for legal fees to be ultimately more expensive than the eventual negotiated settlement.

I never worked in medical malpractice, but I don’t see why that would be any different than other legal fields.

Yeah, depending on the state, that can be the case. In NC, a tort claim can be settled out of court and no more than 33% charged in fees (most are on a contingency basis). Depending on how far up the court system a case gets, it’s usually 40% at the district level. Some lawyers may eat the costs if they’re not that much, but the trend was to charge for every phone call, copy, and postage stamp when I left the business.

229 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:19:42pm

HURR HURR!!!1!!!!
Of course, this is just a “take your order” kiosk, there are still actual human, minimum wage workers who make and assemble the orders.
If actual burger machines were more cost-efficient than humans, do you think fast food chains wouldn’t already have them installed? These machines are expensive and when they break down you can’t fire them, you have to get a maintenance engineer and these guys make way more than minimum wage.
There is a prototype but it’s not in production and the inventors expect to get a shit ton of money for it.
Remember all those “automats” from the ‘50’s that were supposed to be the wave of the future? How come we don’t see automats any more?

230 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:19:49pm

BTW, this author, is amazing.

I can’t believe I never encountered is work before. Little is on audible.com and a couple have reviews that report bad narration.

The writing is so good, I may have to actually read the print copies of his books.


The beginning of Underworld is a play-by-play of the October 3, 1951 Dodgers/Giants game. I’m not a sports person. I could care less about reading about any game. He had me hooked on this game from the first paragraph. I had no idea.

231 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:21:51pm

We had a presentation by an organization called Eve’s Angels at the center for which I volunteer.

Learned a few things about human trafficking in the US of which I would have preferred to remain blissfully ignorant.

Parents selling their children. HERE, yes HERE.

But, I guess the bottom line is more important to the GOP.

232 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:22:01pm

And the wingnut claim that paying fast-food workers and Walmart associates more money will not “motivate” them to “better themselves” this is such a load of bullshit. THESE JOBS SUCK.

233 gwangung  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:24:29pm

re: #232 Pie-onist Overlord

And the wingnut claim that paying fast-food workers and Walmart associates more money will not “motivate” them to “better themselves” this is such a load of bullshit. THESE JOBS SUCK.

You know, coming from a family that DID better themselves (i.e., immigrants who worked their way up from nothing to something), that is INDEED a crock of shit. You still work hard, but you need to make enough to be able to better yourself and pay for college for yourself or your kids. If you don’t make enough money to do that, you can’t.

234 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:26:25pm

re: #231 FemNaziBitch

We had a presentation by an organization called Eve’s Angels at the center for which I volunteer.

Learned a few things about human trafficking in the US of which I would have preferred to remain blissfully ignorant.

Parents selling their children. HERE, yes HERE.

But, I guess the bottom line is more important to the GOP.

I see articles about child “sales” from time to time where the parent is caught trying to do that. It’s the ones that are never found out that bother me, along with the parents who exploit their own children online sexually.

I don’t give a shit how broke you are, you’re scum if you do that.

235 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:26:49pm

Eve’s Angels: ARMED

While this is a Christian organization, I am not at odds with it. The executive director explained they do not practice “judgmental faith” Many of the women to which they minister sought help thru churches and were actually were turned away because of their profession.

236 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:28:20pm

re: #234 Justanotherhuman

I see articles about child “sales” from time to time where the parent is caught trying to do that. It’s the ones that are never found out that bother me, along with the parents who exploit their own children online sexually.

I don’t give a shit how broke you are, you’re scum if you do that.

We fought a war and amended our Constitution over the issue of human property.

IT’S A BIG FUCKING DEAL.

Yet, this is reality. During the presentation, the executive director said that very few of the human trafficking victims they rescue are foreign born.

237 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:28:46pm

re: #213 Feline Fearless Leader

And I don’t think they’ve worked out the consequences of what happens when you totally treat labor as a commodity (and minimize the cost) *and* do not compensate via a social safety net. You end up with a massive and increasingly desperate underclass that eventually realizes it has nothing to lose. And then you have to invest all that money you saved in fortifications and mercenaries to protect yourself and your assets.

And then you wake up one morning and the mercenaries have decided to run things themselves rather than be treated as another commodity to be underpaid and treated like crap.

That happened a lot in Renaissance Italy.

238 Whack-A-Mole  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:29:04pm

re: #172 ObserverArt

I don’t think it’s likely that there will be a purge in the GOP ranks. Rather I think there will be an exodus of the sane away from the GOP. It’s already begun (see Lidane’s #171 and Wagner is not the first). It’s just a trickle for now but as the crazy train speeds up , I think the pace of the exodus will increase until all that’s left of the GOP will be raving wingnuttery.

IMO, the real question is where the exiles land. Do they go to the party that is centrist in reality but is still tainted by the the far left reputation of its past? Or do they try to form a new party in the middle?

239 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:29:25pm

re: #231 FemNaziBitch

We had a presentation by an organization called Eve’s Angels at the center for which I volunteer.

Learned a few things about human trafficking in the US of which I would have preferred to remain blissfully ignorant.

Parents selling their children. HERE, yes HERE.

But, I guess the bottom line is more important to the GOP.

There’s a similar group around here called Advocates For Freedom.

Sad, but appropriate given the time of year: Did you know the Super Bowl is one of the biggest draws for human traffickers? They bring hundreds of underage girls to the host city every year to do business.

240 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:30:52pm

re: #216 wrenchwench

I was aghast when the California Dept. of Labor became the Human Resource Department in the 70s or so.

The term ‘Human Resources’ makes me spit. A loathsome term that displays too clearly the mindset of the people that created it.

*spit*

241 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:31:04pm

re: #239 Eclectic Cyborg

There’s a similar group around here called Advocates For Freedom.

Sad, but appropriate given the time of year: Did you know the Super Bowl is one of the biggest draws for human traffickers? They bring hundreds of underage girls to the host city every year to do business.

Sporting events in general. There seems to be a push to down play the Super Bowl because it takes attention away from the entirety of the issue.

Rome and the Colosseum all over again … .

Really, we need to legalize the sex industry (over 18 yo). Otherwise there is too much room for exploitation.

242 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:33:08pm
Great things, it turns out! For example, by eliminating the minimum wage, “mentally retarded” people could work for $2 an hour. You know, WHAT THEIR LABOR IS WORTH.
243 klys  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:34:03pm

Holy shit, I think Giantess is erupting.

Geyser webcam.

244 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:35:00pm

re: #241 FemNaziBitch

Even if the “sex industry” were legalized, there are always those perverts for whom grownups are not who the buyers want.

Just the words “sex industry” is creepy to me because it commercializes the most intimate of human interaction.

245 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:36:02pm
When it came time for the Super Bowl, Clemmie Greenlee was expected to sleep with anywhere from 25 to 50 men a day. It’s a staggering figure, but it doesn’t shock advocates who say that the sporting event attracts more traffickers than any other in the U.S.

“The Super Bowl is the greatest show on Earth, but it also has an ugly underbelly,” Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott told USA Today in 2011 when his state was gearing up to host the event. “It’s commonly known as the single largest human trafficking incident in the United States.”

The influx of fans fosters the optimal breeding ground for pimps looking to boost their profits. Experts say that the sheer number of men looking to pay for sex substantially increases demand and the massive crowds allow for pimps and victims to essentially go unnoticed.

Source

246 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:36:31pm

re: #238 Whack-A-Mole

I don’t think it’s likely that there will be a purge in the GOP ranks. Rather I think there will be an exodus of the sane away from the GOP. It’s already begun (see Lidane’s #171 and Wagner is not the first). It’s just a trickle for now but as the crazy train speeds up , I think the pace of the exodus will increase until all that’s left of the GOP will be raving wingnuttery.

IMO, the real question is where the exiles land. Do they go to the party that is centrist in reality but is still tainted by the the far left reputation of its past? Or do they try to form a new party in the middle?

I think the key will be when/if the major financial backers decide to jump ship. Once the money goes elsewhere the shell will crumble and not have the funds to retain any influence.

247 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:36:35pm

re: #243 klys

Holy shit, I think Giantess is erupting.

Geyser webcam.

very cool!

248 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:37:18pm

re: #244 Justanotherhuman

Even if the “sex industry” were legalized, there are always those perverts for whom grownups are not who the buyers want.

Just the words “sex industry” is creepy to me because it commercializes the most intimate of human interaction.

It’s reality. People buy sex. There are women/men who provide for that want. It’s not going away.

I’d rather those who work in the industry get the same benefits as those working in other industries.

249 klys  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:37:19pm

re: #247 Backwoods_Sleuth

very cool!

I have this webcam up ALL THE TIME and this is a first. I am 99% sure that is her going. She’s not one of the regular predictable ones at all. This is a real treat.

250 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:38:21pm

re: #249 klys

I have this webcam up ALL THE TIME and this is a first. I am 99% sure that is her going. She’s not one of the regular predictable ones at all. This is a real treat.

It’s freaking huge!

251 ObserverArt  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:38:48pm

re: #202 Justanotherhuman

I think we have to be careful here.

I don’t think the Democratic Party itself has ever been “far left” unless you think civil rights, the safety net and support of unions is “far left” and I don’t. Carter was definitely no “far leftist”; he simply wasn’t a very good president and the country suffered through oil shortages and awful inflation during his tenure, resulting in higher than normal unemployment. That is what really set the stage for Reagan.

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I agree. I was using popular terminology for what most people today see as far left. That also goes to what I was saying…anything past the center is seen as far left when it really isn’t. That is because the right has gone so far right anything that is now middle right is really the old classic GOP. Anything middle left is looked at like they are the SDS or the Weathermen!

You must be one of those ol’ original hippie types from the real 60s that knew what left really is. And I mean that not as any dig at you. I hope you do not take offense. Plus, I seem to recall you posting that in your younger days you were a tad bit of a radical.

That is also why I believe you are so good at covering the current Ukraine mess.

252 dog philosopher  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:40:24pm

re: #249 klys

I have this webcam up ALL THE TIME and this is a first. I am 99% sure that is her going. She’s not one of the regular predictable ones at all. This is a real treat.

just as long as old faithful doesn’t blow up the west coast

253 klys  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:42:26pm

re: #250 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s freaking huge!

First eruption in two years, according to the folks who should know.

GIANTESS GEYSER is one of the largest and most powerful geysers anywhere. You must be very lucky to see it erupt, though.

Bryan, T. Scott (2010-05-13). Geysers of Yellowstone, Fourth Edition (Kindle Locations 949-950). University Press of Colorado. Kindle Edition.

254 dog philosopher  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:43:47pm

re: #253 klys

First eruption in two years

she needs to get out more

255 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:44:03pm

re: #253 klys

is there another geyser off camera to the left, or is it another vent?

256 klys  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:44:24pm

re: #254 dog philosopher

she needs to get out more

SERIOUSLY you should all be looking at this webcam because this is a freaking amazing thing to see and probably the luckiest most of us will be.

257 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:44:45pm

re: #251 ObserverArt

I agree. I was using popular terminology for what most people today see as far left. That also goes to what I was saying…anything past the center is seen as far left when it really isn’t. That is because the right has gone so far right anything that is now middle right is really the old classic GOP. Anything middle left is looked at like they are the SDS or the Weathermen!

You must be one of those ol’ original hippie types from the real 60s that knew what left really is. And I mean that not as any dig at you. I hope you do not take offense. Plus, I seem to recall you posting that in your younger days you were a tad bit of a radical.

That is also why I believe you are so good at covering the current Ukraine mess.

Well, I was a bit older than the student hippie types, but yes, I was something of a radical, more so in the women’s movement, probably because I had kids to support. That led me to other politics as well, and a greater understanding of how the world really works and who benefits, no matter what system is in place. I consider myself pretty much of a democratic socialist these days.

258 klys  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:44:47pm

re: #255 Backwoods_Sleuth

is there another geyser off camera to the left, or is it another vent?

Old Faithful is off to the left, in the foreground. May erupt soon.

259 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:45:53pm

re: #258 klys

Old Faithful is off to the left, in the foreground. May erupt soon.

OK, because every once in a while there’s a huge cloud of steam that comes rolling in off camera from the left

260 EPR-radar  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:46:24pm

re: #238 Whack-A-Mole

I don’t think it’s likely that there will be a purge in the GOP ranks. Rather I think there will be an exodus of the sane away from the GOP. It’s already begun (see Lidane’s #171 and Wagner is not the first). It’s just a trickle for now but as the crazy train speeds up , I think the pace of the exodus will increase until all that’s left of the GOP will be raving wingnuttery.

IMO, the real question is where the exiles land. Do they go to the party that is centrist in reality but is still tainted by the the far left reputation of its past? Or do they try to form a new party in the middle?

I don’t think the Democrats have ever been far left, so that reputation is one of the many fictions inflicted on us all by the rise of the US extreme right.

We haven’t had a disappearance/emergence of a major political party in the US since the Civil War era. Since then, the Democrats and Republicans have both changed rather than become irrelevant. It will be interesting to see how this model breaks now that change is anathema to the GOP (unless said change is finding ever more creative ways to be rabidly ‘conservative’).

261 ObserverArt  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:46:43pm

re: #238 Whack-A-Mole

I don’t think it’s likely that there will be a purge in the GOP ranks. Rather I think there will be an exodus of the sane away from the GOP. It’s already begun (see Lidane’s #171 and Wagner is not the first). It’s just a trickle for now but as the crazy train speeds up , I think the pace of the exodus will increase until all that’s left of the GOP will be raving wingnuttery.

IMO, the real question is where the exiles land. Do they go to the party that is centrist in reality but is still tainted by the the far left reputation of its past? Or do they try to form a new party in the middle?

You may be right and I agree. I happen to think it will be tough to bury the Republican name. A new party might just be way too radical on typical political sensibilities.

We did come sorta close to having a kernel of an Independent Party, but that went kaput in the early 80s. Anyone remember John B. Anderson who ran as an independent in the 80 election? Many at that time thought his run would bring about a real independent party. As the polls are now showing…many people are escaping the Republican ranks and calling themselves Independents…so maybe that name for a party will pop out.

262 klys  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:47:59pm

re: #259 Backwoods_Sleuth

OK, because every once in a while there’s a huge cloud of steam that comes rolling in off camera from the left

Yeah, you watch long enough and the layout gets familiar. That’s how I knew it was Giantess.

I HAVE FOUND MY PEOPLE there is a chat room for watching this webstream where all the geyser gazers hang out.

263 ObserverArt  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:48:04pm

re: #240 Romantic Heretic

The term ‘Human Resources’ makes me spit. A loathsome term that displays too clearly the mindset of the people that created it.

*spit*

Yes! I always thought it sounded like human oil for the big machine.

Hmmm. Maybe it is.

264 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:48:04pm

Something else just brought to my attention: The Sochi Olympics are likely to be a big target for sex traffickers too.

Also heartbreaking:

According to Forbes, 10,000 prostitutes were brought to Miami for the 2010 Super Bowl and 133 minors were arrested for prostitution during the 2011 Super Bowl in Dallas.

265 ObserverArt  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:50:55pm

re: #246 Feline Fearless Leader

I think the key will be when/if the major financial backers decide to jump ship. Once the money goes elsewhere the shell will crumble and not have the funds to retain any influence.

Could that occur when someone like the Koch brothers pass?

266 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:51:14pm

re: #260 EPR-radar

Establishment Republicans will never abandon the brand. The Teabaggers will and wingnuts will have to re-brand.

267 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:51:18pm

re: #262 klys

Yeah, you watch long enough and the layout gets familiar. That’s how I knew it was Giantess.

I HAVE FOUND MY PEOPLE there is a chat room for watching this webstream where all the geyser gazers hang out.

Are the old ones geyser gazer geezers?

268 klys  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:51:44pm

re: #267 Decatur Deb

Are the old ones geyser gazer geezers?

We believe in efficiency.

269 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:51:57pm

beebees!!!!!

270 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:52:30pm

re: #264 Eclectic Cyborg

Something else just brought to my attention: The Sochi Olympics are likely to be a big target for sex traffickers too.

And, apparently, so have been university away games and political conventions…

271 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:53:37pm

re: #253 klys

First eruption in two years, according to the folks who should know.

Maybe it’s just me, but all I am seeing is what appears to be small bursts of steam. Am I missing something?

272 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:54:52pm

re: #271 Bubblehead II

Maybe it’s just me, but all I am seeing is what appears to be small bursts of steam. Am I missing something?

that’s it

273 klys  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:55:00pm

re: #271 Bubblehead II

Maybe it’s just me, but all I am seeing is what appears to be small bursts of steam. Am I missing something?

Giantess is fountain-type, so it will be jets of water/steam shooting out at angles. If you watch for a bit it’ll become more obvious what is steam, what is water.

The scale is such that those “small bursts” are probably 50ft+.

274 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:55:13pm

re: #270 Backwoods_Sleuth

And, apparently, so have been university away games and political conventions…

and anywhere men congregate for any purpose whatsoever.

275 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:56:22pm

re: #274 Petero1818

and anywhere men congregate for any purpose whatsoever.

Truck Stops

276 dog philosopher  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:57:30pm

re: #264 Eclectic Cyborg

133 minors were arrested for prostitution during the 2011 Super Bowl in Dallas

and i wonder how many of their johns were arrested as well

277 EPR-radar  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:57:57pm

re: #266 Petero1818

Establishment Republicans will never abandon the brand. The Teabaggers will and wingnuts will have to re-brand.

The teabaggers/wingnuts get more power than their own numbers justify by taking over the GOP. They aren’t going to leave the GOP voluntarily, especially since this project is going well for them

278 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 2:58:00pm

re: #276 dog philosopher

and i wonder how many of their johns were arrested as well

Lawyers made a lot of money that night.

279 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:00:03pm

re: #277 EPR-radar

The teabaggers/wingnuts get more power than their own numbers justify by taking over the GOP. They aren’t going to leave the GOP voluntarily, especially since this project is going well for them

I think the war within the party will play out another election cycle or 2. The fact is until the fringe get their candidate nominated for the Presidential contest, they will always say “I told you so”. They need to get to the big dance and lose badly before they will back down and take their circus in the direction of a 3rd party IMHO.

280 EPR-radar  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:05:11pm

re: #279 Petero1818

I think the war within the party will play out another election cycle or 2. The fact is until the fringe get their candidate nominated for the Presidential contest, they will always say “I told you so”. They need to get to the big dance and lose badly before they will back down and take their circus in the direction of a 3rd party IMHO.

It is interesting to look at the election results of 2012 and consider which Romney states could/would be lost by a worse candidate. The only close state Romney won in 2012 was NC, so that’s the easiest to see flipping.

281 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:05:15pm

re: #275 FemNaziBitch

Truck Stops

Casinos.

While prostitution is legal in Elko County,Nv., it is not legal in Jackpot as it is considered a township. That and being right on the Idaho border. We have to chase the “working girls” out from time to time

282 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:05:44pm

The results of the midterms this year are going to be very interesting.

283 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:09:00pm

My area is particularly bad for human trafficking because we’re right along the I-10 corridor (Texas-Louisiana-Mississippi-Alabama-Florida). That corridor not only allows access to a number of major cities (Houston, Dallas, New Orleans, Biloxi, Mobile, Pensacola and Jacksonville) it also happens that I-10 is the interstate that runs closest to the U.S./Mexico border. So you can see why the traffickers like it.

Add in two major sea ports (one in Mississippi, one in New Orleans) and any number of casinos and you’ve got a pretty ripe situation when it comes to human trafficking.

284 urbanmeemaw  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:12:23pm

re: #24 Gus

I object. The name is an insult to an orifice that provides a useful function, i.e, the release of toxins from the body. Without functioning assholes we would die. But I would accept rebranding Rethugs as the “Non Functional Asshole Party”.

285 dog philosopher  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:14:33pm

human trafficking

i wonder if there are any statistics showing rise and fall in the number of americans employed as prostitutes

it might be interesting to see if there is any chance politics and economic policy affects this

286 urbanmeemaw  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:15:02pm

re: #42 abolitionist

My deepest condolences.

287 dog philosopher  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:16:02pm

re: #284 urbanmeemaw

I object. The name is an insult to an orifice that provides a useful function, i.e, the release of toxins from the body. Without functioning assholes we would die. But I would accept rebranding Rethugs as the “Non Functional Asshole Party”.

“sir, your existence is an insult to all orifices that provide a useful function to the human body by releasing toxins”

288 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:16:30pm

re: #285 dog philosopher

human trafficking

i wonder if there are any statistics showing rise and fall in the number of americans employed as prostitutes

it might be interesting to see if there is any chance politics and economic policy affects this

As it is still an illegal occupation, any numbers would be conjecture or very general.

Without legalization we cannot have hard numbers. Just think of the tax revenue if it were legalized, SS “trust fund” would get a big boost.

289 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:19:33pm

re: #288 FemNaziBitch

As it is still an illegal occupation (in 49 States), any numbers would be conjecture or very general.

Without legalization we cannot have hard numbers. Just think of the tax revenue if it were legalized, SS “trust fund” would get a big boost.

ftfy. It’s legal in most of Nevada.

290 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:19:37pm

re: #266 Petero1818

Establishment Republicans will never abandon the brand.

Many already are.

Former Nevada Lieutenant Gov. Sue Wagner told the Reno Gazette-Journal that she has left the Republican Party because she thinks hardline conservatives have pushed the party too far to the right.

According to the paper’s Tuesday report, Wagner — who has also served as a state senator, assemblywoman, and gaming commissioner — is now registered as a nonpartisan voter rather than as a Democrat.

“It’s grown so conservative and tea-party orientated and I just can’t buy into that,” Wagner said. “I’ve left the Republican Party and it’s left me, at the same time.”

Her action comes despite a long-time family connection to the party.

Last week it was GOProud’s Jimmy LaSalva.

A few months ago, Texas Judge Carlos Key.

These were all establishment Republicans, but they are also minorities. The Tea Party is a parasitic infection that will distill down the GOP to its most racist, revanchist core, but it isn’t going to leave on its own. The Tea Party needs the existing fundraising channels that the GOP national committee has built, whereas the establishment conservatives could probably either take those channels with them or rebuild them easily if they left and were to form a new, separate party.

291 freetoken  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:19:41pm

A double barrel of human evolution articles appeared today:

The genomic landscape of Neanderthal ancestry in present-day humans

Genomic studies have shown that Neanderthals interbred with modern humans, and that non-Africans today are the products of this mixture. The antiquity of Neanderthal gene flow into modern humans means that genomic regions that derive from Neanderthals in any one human today are usually less than a hundred kilobases in size. However, Neanderthal haplotypes are also distinctive enough that several studies have been able to detect Neanderthal ancestry at specific loci. We systematically infer Neanderthal haplotypes in the genomes of 1,004 present-day humans. Regions that harbour a high frequency of Neanderthal alleles are enriched for genes affecting keratin filaments, suggesting that Neanderthal alleles may have helped modern humans to adapt to non-African environments. We identify multiple Neanderthal-derived alleles that confer risk for disease, suggesting that Neanderthal alleles continue to shape human biology. An unexpected finding is that regions with reduced Neanderthal ancestry are enriched in genes, implying selection to remove genetic material derived from Neanderthals. Genes that are more highly expressed in testes than in any other tissue are especially reduced in Neanderthal ancestry, and there is an approximately fivefold reduction of Neanderthal ancestry on the X chromosome, which is known from studies of diverse species to be especially dense in male hybrid sterility genes. These results suggest that part of the explanation for genomic regions of reduced Neanderthal ancestry is Neanderthal alleles that caused decreased fertility in males when moved to a modern human genetic background.

Second:

Resurrecting Surviving Neandertal Lineages from Modern Human Genomes

Anatomically modern humans overlapped and mated with Neandertals such that non-African humans inherit ~1-3% of their genomes from Neandertal ancestors. We identified Neandertal lineages that persist in the DNA of modern humans, in whole-genome sequences from 379 European and 286 East Asian individuals, recovering over 15 Gb of introgressed sequence that spans ~20% of the Neandertal genome (FDR = 5%). Analyses of surviving archaic lineages suggests that there were fitness costs to hybridization, admixture occurred both before and subsequent to divergence of non-African modern humans, and Neandertals were a source of adaptive variation for loci involved in skin phenotypes. Our results provide a new avenue for paleogenomics studies, allowing substantial amounts of population-level DNA sequence information to be obtained from extinct groups even in the absence of fossilized remains.

Fascinating.

I’d love to see a reporter bring this up at one of those Texas GOP debates…

292 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:20:47pm

re: #291 freetoken

I’d be happy if they did the DNA test for African/Asian/Native American ancestry for the entirety of the GOP.

293 klys  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:21:36pm

Looks like we’re moving into steam phase now.

294 A Mom Anon  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:24:40pm

re: #285 dog philosopher

There was a case recently of a young man, a high school senior, who was expelled from school for his work in adult films. He recently was allowed to return to school. He was doing this to help his Mom pay the bills (there might have been health issues for her too, I can’t remember at the moment).

Anyhow, I would think this is mostly purely an economic choice, though there may be some sex workers who like their job. I don’t know, I just have a hard time thinking that anyone would do that if they didn’t have to because of homelessness, addiction or economic circumstances. I don’t know. There’s a case to be made for legalization and destigmatizing of sex work, but it just makes me sad to think there aren’t other opportunities available for people to take care of themselves financially.

295 Mattand  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:27:31pm

re: #245 Eclectic Cyborg

Source

Not that sex trafficking should be taken lightly, but I’m wondering how accurate some of this. There’s that meme that surfaces every year that Super Bowl Sunday is the day that sees the greatest number of domestic abuse cases. Turns out it’s not true.

And quite frankly, it’s the Huff Po. Their track record on things like science and alt med is atrocious. I don’t necessarily trust them to get a story like this right.

296 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:28:08pm

re: #294 A Mom Anon

There was a case recently of a young man, a high school senior, who was expelled from school for his work in adult films. He recently was allowed to return to school. He was doing this to help his Mom pay the bills (there might have been health issues for her too, I can’t remember at the moment).

Anyhow, I would think this is mostly purely an economic choice, though there may be some sex workers who like their job. I don’t know, I just have a hard time thinking that anyone would do that if they didn’t have to because of homelessness, addiction or economic circumstances. I don’t know. There’s a case to be made for legalization and destigmatizing of sex work, but it just makes me sad to think there aren’t other opportunities available for people to take care of themselves financially.

Well, it’s reality. A person with few marketable skills or temporarily in a bad situation can always sell what they have (if it is marketable). Really for a single mother of young children it would work well. Work-by-the-hour kinda thing.

I think we have to move away from the our fairy tale ideals about sex. It just doesn’t seem to be the reality -historically or currently. We have no idea how many women exchange sex for “favors” who may not be technically “sex workers”.

Men, women and children are being exploited and sidelined because of a law we have regarding sex.

It’s killing all of us.

297 freetoken  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:29:09pm

Phil Plait has been running slower since he transitioned to mainstream media, unfortunately, but he picks up on the Texas lt. gov. race:

All Four GOP Texas Lieutenant Governor Candidates Want to Violate the U.S. Constitution

He links to that December video (same one Gus already used a few days ago.) However, as I linked in that thread, there is a newer debate, this week, with much better video. The story from Monday’s debate is picked up here:

All four Republican candidates for Lt. Gov.: Teach creationism in public schools

The atavists have long been in control of TX politics so there is nothing really new there. But, I think we need to continue the fight to help people caught up in fantasies to deal with reality.

298 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:29:10pm

Pro-presidential majority approves amnesty law

kyivpost.com

“Ukraine’s parliament passed an amnesty law at a late night session on Jan. 29. The law, authored by the president’s representative in parliament Yuriy Myroshnychenko, was denounced by the opposition as unacceptable because it imposes a deadline on the protesters for leaving the government buildings taken over in the past week across Ukraine.

(snip)

“The bill was supported by 232 lawmakers of the pro-presidential majority out of the 416 registered in the session hall on Wednesday evening after the president threatened to disband the parliament at a special emergency meeting with his Party of Regions faction.

(snip)

“The law, which will come into effect after the president’s signature and after it gets printed in the official media, gives the protesters 15 days to clear all government buildings across the country. The Trade Union House, which serves as the headquarters of the protest, as well as Ukraine House and October Palace in Kyiv are not a part of the list, though.”

299 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:29:22pm

re: #296 FemNaziBitch

Well, it’s reality. A person with few marketable skills or temporarily in a bad situation can always sell what they have (if it is marketable). Really for a single mother of young children it would work well. Work-by-the-hour kinda thing.

I think we have to move away from the our fairy tale ideals about sex. It just doesn’t seem to be the reality -historically or currently. We have no idea how many women exchange sex for “favors” who may not be technically “sex workers”.

Men, women and children are being exploited and sidelined because of a law we have regarding sex.

It’s killing all of us.

I’d rather individuals sell their “services” than they individuals themselves be bought and sold.

300 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:30:18pm

Sea Otter Web Cam

301 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:32:08pm

Been listening to the audio version of Only Yesterday.

A lot of shit happened from 1919 thru 1929.

I had to remind myself of the time period of which the author was writing. What he wrote about the Scopes Trial could have been current events.

302 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:33:13pm

re: #300 Gus

Sea Otter Web Cam

they are rather boring right now.

Is it nap time?

303 freetoken  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:33:19pm

OT scholar Pete Enns takes on Bill Nye’s naiveté:

Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham: giving credibility to nonsense (or, walking into an apologetic war machine)

[…]

Nye seems to think he is walking into a debate of some sort over science, and that presenting the data will, if not prove victorious, at least put a dent into Ham’s armor.

It won’t. Nye is strolling into a well-tuned, battle-tested, apologetic war machine.

Nye and Ham won’t even be able to agree on what the data are, what science is, and what it means to interpret evidence. Ham will make sure of that.

This is a debate over worldviews, and they get nasty quickly and go nowhere.

[…]

I think Nye is doing this for the publicity, as much as anything else.

304 Mattand  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:34:45pm

re: #303 freetoken

OT scholar Pete Enns takes on Bill Nye’s naiveté:

Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham: giving credibility to nonsense (or, walking into an apologetic war machine)

I think Nye is doing this for the publicity, as much as anything else.

The consensus that I’ve read is that Nye has no clue what he’s in for.

305 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:34:57pm

W.VA. OFFICIALS DISPUTE FORMALDEHYDE CLAIM

from FEMA trailers to W VA water.

306 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:36:10pm

POLICE: HEROIN SOLD IN PA. MCDONALD’S HAPPY MEALS

Yes, Happy Meals.

307 A Mom Anon  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:36:21pm

re: #299 FemNaziBitch

I suppose if we have to pick an “ideal” for a less than ideal circumstance that would be it. If we have to go there as a society to at least minimize exploitation then having legal brothels is probably the best way to go so that someone can make sure the workers are safe and healthy.

We do have idealized and romantic ideas of what sex should be, I’m old, it’s hard for me to wrap my head around people choosing this as a profession and actually not being or feeling exploited by it. Which is my issue, not anyone else’s.

308 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:36:43pm

re: #302 FemNaziBitch

they are rather boring right now.

Is it nap time?

Yeah. They’re awake here: Seattle Aquarium Otter Cam

309 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:36:51pm

re: #294 A Mom Anon

There was a case recently of a young man, a high school senior, who was expelled from school for his work in adult films. He recently was allowed to return to school. He was doing this to help his Mom pay the bills (there might have been health issues for her too, I can’t remember at the moment).

Anyhow, I would think this is mostly purely an economic choice, though there may be some sex workers who like their job. I don’t know, I just have a hard time thinking that anyone would do that if they didn’t have to because of homelessness, addiction or economic circumstances. I don’t know. There’s a case to be made for legalization and destigmatizing of sex work, but it just makes me sad to think there aren’t other opportunities available for people to take care of themselves financially.

I believe this is the case you are refereing to.

310 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:37:14pm

Feeding time on camera 1!

311 EPR-radar  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:37:24pm

re: #304 Mattand

The consensus that I’ve read is that Nye has no clue what he’s in for.

That’s my take on it as well. I’d like to be proven wrong.

One has to be remarkably naive to believe there is any point at all in debating a creationist, especially on the creationist’s home field.

312 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:39:33pm


Why, all the sudden it seems, the war on acetaminophen?

Last year, a friend in the hospital, was given a liquid acetaminophen thru her IV drip to take the edge off between narcotic doses. I’d think if it were really all that bad, the liquid version would not be available.

I don’t buy the hype.

313 A Mom Anon  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:39:56pm

re: #309 Bubblehead II

That’s the one.

314 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:40:17pm

re: #308 Gus

Yeah. They’re awake here: Seattle Aquarium Otter Cam

I wish they made good pets. They are so funny!

315 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:41:06pm

Evening Lizardim.

316 calochortus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:41:58pm

re: #307 A Mom Anon

I think we’d need to go a bit further than just legalizing brothels. I’ve driven by several legal brothels in fairly remote areas of Nevada and they are incredibly depressing and seedy looking, and a good couple hours drive from anywhere, though some are in towns. I can’t imagine how a woman who decides against working there would get away if the owner of the brothel didn’t want them to go.

317 calochortus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:43:08pm

re: #312 FemNaziBitch

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Why, all the sudden it seems, the war on acetaminophen?

Last year, a friend in the hospital, was given a liquid acetaminophen thru her IV drip to take the edge off between narcotic doses. I’d think if it were really all that bad, the liquid version would not be available.

I don’t buy the hype.

The hype is because a lot of OTC medications contain acetaminophen, so if you aren’t careful or don’t read labels, it’s apparently pretty easy to get an overdose.

318 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:43:25pm

re: #315 thedopefishlives

Evening Lizardim.

Frank says:

Beware of the fish people, they are the true enemy — Speaking at a ProChoice rally in Los Angeles around 1989-90.

I’m sure he meant nothing personal, there….

319 A Mom Anon  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:43:35pm

re: #312 FemNaziBitch

I wonder if it has something to do with almost every single cold medicine containing it, and then people over medicating with something like extra strength Tylenol in addition to the cold meds. There have been warnings for years about liver damage related to it, maybe erring on the side of caution?

320 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:44:12pm

re: #318 wrenchwench

I’m sure he meant nothing personal, there….

Oh, yeah, because lizard people are SO much better. Just because I have a different kind of scales…

321 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:44:59pm


I don’t even see a trickle.

322 allegro  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:45:09pm

re: #311 EPR-radar

That’s my take on it as well. I’d like to be proven wrong.

One has to be remarkably naive to believe there is any point at all in debating a creationist, especially on the creationist’s home field.

It will be a glorious display of the Gish Gallop in action followed by a declaration of victory for creationists - by the creationists of course. And nothing new will be learned or accomplished for reality… or Nye who will be able to do little more than stutter.

323 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:47:09pm

re: #321 FemNaziBitch

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I don’t even see a trickle.

324 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:47:23pm

There would have to be licensing procedures —classes to take about law and health etc—for sex workers.

Kinda like a CDL. Easy enough to obtain, just basic guidelines to follow.

325 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:49:25pm

Why GOP won’t raise minimum wage:
Youtube Video

326 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:49:29pm

re: #321 FemNaziBitch

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I don’t even see a trickle.

Too soon! //

327 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:50:00pm

re: #296 FemNaziBitch

“Really for a single mother of young children it would work well.”

That’s an appalling statement and one which singles out a demographic simply because they are more likely to be poor. I would rather see the fathers of those children have to pay for at least half of their support, something that wasn’t available to me, and isn’t to so many “single” mothers. Men should be made to live up to their responsibilities; women shouldn’t have to resort to selling their bodies in order to survive.

I was a “single” mother of 2. It would never have occurred to me to become a prostitute to support my kids—it would have been way beyond my set of values, not to mention putting myself in harm’s way. I did a few jobs that didn’t pay much money when I was younger, but I always was able to start from scratch more than once. I never accepted gifts from men, either. There was no quid pro quo when I dated someone. That was understood. I’d rather pay for my own meal or whatever and never see the guy again. It wasn’t that I was a prude—it was that I considered myself independent and sex was not to be some kind of “trade off” or “deal”.

328 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:50:30pm

re: #321 FemNaziBitch

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I don’t even see a trickle.

To be perfectly fair, I can just about guarantee that prices WILL go up if the minimum wage is raised. Because corporate fatcats will seize on it as an excuse to jack up the prices, thus ensuring that their grossly overinflated wages will remain intact. God forbid that a CEO earn less than a bajillion dollars a year.

329 A Mom Anon  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:50:52pm

re: #316 calochortus

I would think that with legalization there would also be regulation, health checks, etc. Porn actors in CA keep testing HIV positive, if there were no regulations STDs of all kinds would end up being an issue. But then the question becomes one of money and hiring doctors and health inspectors and maintaining oversight to prevent abuse. Unionizing the workers might help if the right rules and structure could be set up.

330 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:51:41pm

331 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:51:50pm
332 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:52:16pm

ZooBorns: Sea Otter

333 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:52:19pm

re: #327 Justanotherhuman

“Really for a single mother of young children it would work well.”

That’s an appalling statement and one which singles out a demographic simply because they are more likely to be poor. I would rather see the fathers of those children have to pay for at least half of their support, something that wasn’t available to me, and isn’t to so many “single” mothers. Men should be made to live up to their responsibilities; women shouldn’t have to resort to selling their bodies in order to survive.

I was a “single” mother of 2. It would never have occurred to me to become a prostitute to support my kids—it would have been way beyond my set of values, not to mention putting myself in harm’s way. I did a few jobs that didn’t pay much money when I was younger, but I always was able to start from scratch more than once. I never accepted gifts from men, either. There was no quid pro quo when I dated someone. That was understood. I’d rather pay for my own meal or whatever and never see the guy again. It wasn’t that I was a prude—it was that I considered myself independent and sex was not to be some kind of “trade off” or “deal”.

I’d rather see a lot of things, but I deal in reality.

334 calochortus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:53:54pm

re: #329 A Mom Anon

Seems reasonable. I believe a woman’s body is hers to do with as she wishes. Being a prostitute doesn’t appeal to me, but it might be an acceptable choice for some women.
What I don’t approve of is sex slavery and pimps.

Edited to add: While prostitution doesn’t appeal to me, I think there are probably things that appeal to me even less (assuming that the working conditions were safe, etc.) Not that it’s going to be a likely option at my age anyway…

335 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:54:39pm

ZooBorns: Otter

336 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:56:48pm

ZooBorns: Meerkat

337 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:57:34pm

Let me repeat myself:

re: #296 FemNaziBitch

Well, it’s reality. A person with few marketable skills or temporarily in a bad situation can always sell what they have (if it is marketable). Really for a single mother of young children it would work well. Work-by-the-hour kinda thing.

I think we have to move away from the our fairy tale ideals about sex. It just doesn’t seem to be the reality -historically or currently. We have no idea how many women exchange sex for “favors” who may not be technically “sex workers”.

Men, women and children are being exploited and sidelined because of a law we have regarding sex.

It’s killing all of us.

338 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 3:59:41pm
339 dog philosopher  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 4:00:20pm

sea otters

i remember watching the otters ruthlessly terrorize the shellfish population, when i lived in monterey

ha! - not so cute if you’re an clam

340 Gus  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 4:02:16pm

ZooBorns: Coati Mundi

341 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 4:03:04pm

re: #333 FemNaziBitch

I’d rather see a lot of things, but I deal in reality.

Reality is making the sperm donors pay for the support of their children. Women have gotten such a bad deal from authorities about enforcing support laws that they sometimes can’t afford to pursue it or just give up. Or if you’re in another state, having the resources to pursue the necessary steps to go to court and have it enforced.

That is what makes many, many women and their children poor.

342 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 4:03:44pm

This is a big issue.

343 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 4:04:37pm

re: #340 Gus

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ZooBorns: Coati Mundi

I’ve seen a couple of adult Coatis here. It was darkish, and it took a few seconds to figure out what I was seeing. Thought it was weird cats at first.

Once I thought I saw a monkey crossing the street at night, but it was a cat with a broken tail.

344 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 4:06:25pm

re: #341 Justanotherhuman

Reality is making the sperm donors pay for the support of their children. Women have gotten such a bad deal from authorities about enforcing support laws that they sometimes can’t afford to pursue it or just give up. Or if you’re in another state, having the resources to pursue the necessary steps to go to court and have it enforced.

That is what makes many, many women and their children poor.

One can’t get blood from a turnip.

345 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 4:06:36pm


I had no idea.

346 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 4:10:46pm

re: #337 FemNaziBitch

Let me repeat myself:

FWIW Both my wife and I agree with you.

347 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 4:11:26pm

re: #346 b_sharp

FWIW Both my wife and I agree with you.

It’s worth a lot.

Just don’t keep it to yourself.

and vote.

348 allegro  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 4:12:59pm

re: #343 wrenchwench

I’ve seen a couple of adult Coatis here. It was darkish, and it took a few seconds to figure out what I was seeing. Thought it was weird cats at first.

Once I thought I saw a monkey crossing the street at night, but it was a cat with a broken tail.

A while back I thought I saw a funny looking cat out of the corner of my eye on a neighbors roof. It was a monkey. Don’t see that every day.

349 dell*nix  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 4:13:21pm

re: #22 Mattand

Have not read very far so this may have been suggested already:God’s Own Party. They get to keep the same initials.

350 klys  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 4:13:52pm

re: #337 FemNaziBitch

Let me repeat myself:

I would rather see women having the ability to make their own decisions about what they are and are not willing to sell and then have it be legal, because that will provide more protection for the women who decide they are willing to do so.

I don’t think it forces any women into doing so, to make it legal.

351 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 4:15:40pm

re: #350 klys

I would rather see women having the ability to make their own decisions about what they are and are not willing to sell and then have it be legal, because that will provide more protection for the women who decide they are willing to do so.

I don’t think it forces any women into doing so, to make it legal.

Considering how keeping it illegal does force women into doing things they may not want to to do via exploitation … .

352 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 4:15:55pm

re: #347 FemNaziBitch

It’s worth a lot.

Just don’t keep it to yourself.

and vote.

Our voting system is different up here, but we both vote in every federal election.

353 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 4:16:21pm

re: #342 FemNaziBitch

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This is a big issue.

These are probably the same assholes who won’t support their children.

But they can buy guns.

354 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 4:18:45pm

re: #353 Justanotherhuman

These are probably the same assholes who won’t support their children.

But they can buy guns.

Even if every dead-beat dad were tracked and forced to pay, families would still live in poverty and would still need support.

This frustrates me a great deal.

Money is being hoarded instead of being used as wages.

355 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 4:22:15pm

re: #353 Justanotherhuman

These are probably the same assholes who won’t support their children.

But they can buy guns.

and they can buy sex.

Strange how that works, heh?

356 kerFuFFler  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 4:22:45pm

re: #180 GeneJockey

The best part is you can abbreviate her name as @anus.

Santorum/Atanus 2016

Just say it out loud….

357 Hal_10000  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 4:29:52pm

A candidate who has been in the news is polling 16% in an open-ended poll 2.5 years before the election. That’s less than meaningless.

358 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 4:38:29pm

re: #312 FemNaziBitch

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Why, all the sudden it seems, the war on acetaminophen?

Last year, a friend in the hospital, was given a liquid acetaminophen thru her IV drip to take the edge off between narcotic doses. I’d think if it were really all that bad, the liquid version would not be available.

I don’t buy the hype.

Acetaminophen kills a fair number of people every year via liver damage. One of the worst aspects is in concoctions like Vicodin which is it plus codeine - people OD on the acetaminophen because they are not aware of how much they’ve taken. Or take 4 instead of 2 for an injury for a day or two. They then find themselves on the liver transplant waiting list.

In the case of the IV drip that dose can be very carefully calculated and controlled. There are some fairly sophisticated computerize pumps in modern IV systems keeping careful track of how much of a given drug is used. Unlike OTC drugs dependent upon memory.

It’s a nasty nasty drug and should be prescription only like narcotics. I do not use it at all and we do not keep it in the house and have refused prescriptions from doctors for compounded drugs that contain acetaminophen.

Ibuprofen can cause stomach distress and kidney problems but it doesn’t have the history of killing people. I’ll stick to it.

359 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 4:53:14pm

re: #357 Hal_10000

A candidate who has been in the news is polling 16% in an open-ended poll 2.5 years before the election. That’s less than meaningless.

But meaningful enough to let us know how meaningless it is.

360 TedStriker  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 6:52:35pm

re: #233 gwangung

You know, coming from a family that DID better themselves (i.e., immigrants who worked their way up from nothing to something), that is INDEED a crock of shit. You still work hard, but you need to make enough to be able to better yourself and pay for college for yourself or your kids. If you don’t make enough money to do that, you can’t.

For the TPGOP noveau robber baron crowd, that’s a feature, not a bug.

361 TedStriker  Wed, Jan 29, 2014 7:04:13pm

re: #201 FemNaziBitch

One doesn’t have to be a medical or psych professional to know that the idea that women can’t control their libido is classic Projection.

Especially when, I’d wager to say, most of the troglodytes that say or think this shit “think” more with their little heads than the big one on top of their shoulders.


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