New Lawsuit Alleges Yet Another Illegal NM Body Cavity Search

Law enforcement oversteps again.
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Another lawsuit has been filed over a body cavity search by a New Mexico law enforcement agency along the Mexico border, the latest in a handful of similar cases.

The lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in Albuquerque alleges police illegally took a New Mexico woman’s car in Lordsburg, a town in Hidalgo County. When she tried to retrieve it four days later, officers made her strip naked and searched her body cavities, the lawsuit says.

The lawsuit comes after Hidalgo County and the city of Deming recently agreed to pay $1.6 million to settle a lawsuit filed by a man taken to two hospitals and subjected to anal probes over suspicion of hiding drugs.

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The officers then forced Ford into a degrading position and searched her “anal and vaginal” cavities, the lawsuit alleges.

“This was an illegal and unreasonable search,” Ford’s attorney, Shannon Kennedy, told The Associated Press. “It’s disgusting. It’s a sexual assault.”

Ford was charged with possession of marijuana and drug paraphernalia — items police said were found in the car — but those charges were later dropped after officers failed to produce the evidence.

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Kennedy said her law firm is getting a number of calls about similar cases along the New Mexico-Mexico border. She believes law enforcement agencies are under pressure to spend federal drug-fighting money but are overstepping their authority.

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More: New Lawsuit Alleges Illegal NM Body Cavity Search

The $1.6 million settlement is for a case that isn’t done yet. One city and one county settled. One hospital and two doctors are still being sued. The second guy’s case hasn’t been heard yet. The woman in the El Paso incident has a case pending. This is the fourth similar case I’ve read about, and the lawyer in three of them says she’s getting more calls.

Meanwhile:

NM sheriffs set to demand more border resources

New Mexico sheriffs say they want more resources to battle human smuggling and drug trafficking along the U.S.-Mexico border.

The New Mexico Sheriffs’ Association has scheduled a press conference Thursday at 2 p.m. at the Roundhouse to demand more equipment and funding for deputies aimed at tackling border issues.

Jack LeVick, the group’s executive director, says sheriffs feel that the border “is not secure” and still face problems ranging for Mexican drug cartel activity to finding immigrants suspected of being in the country illegally.

[…]

To repeat one line from attorney Shannon Kennedy:

She believes law enforcement agencies are under pressure to spend federal drug-fighting money but are overstepping their authority.

Note: The links are to the Albuquerque Journal, which may ask you to answer a question or two in lieu of registering at their site.

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354 comments
1 Political Atheist  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 12:17:18pm

This is truly outrageous. “failed to produce the evidence” means only one thing-They lied. It was never there. Which is hard to prove but if so, makes each and every part of the search illegal, fraudulent, based on an abuse of authority.

And a cavity search as some kind of routine for ‘hum,an trafficking’ is just laughable and abusive. I mean unless a woman is pregnant there ‘aint nobody to find in there….///////////

2 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 12:31:02pm

re: #1 Political Atheist

This is truly outrageous. “failed to produce the evidence” means only one thing-They lied. It was never there. Which is hard to prove but if so, makes each and every part of the search illegal, fraudulent, based on an abuse of authority.

And a cavity search as some kind of routine for ‘hum,an trafficking’ is just laughable and abusive. I mean unless a woman is pregnant there ‘aint nobody to find in there….///////////

It’s possible they had some evidence and lost it. Still outrageous.

Nobody’s doing cavity searches for human trafficking. Just for drugs. They want more money, though, and even people who want all drugs to be legalized are opposed to human trafficking, so they always include that in their grant proposals. And of course ‘human trafficking’ sounds much worse than ‘unlawful immigration’.

3 Joanne  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 1:38:08pm

Welp, they’re finding ways to spend that federal drug-fighting money…paying out lawsuits.

4 Political Atheist  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 2:55:11pm

re: #2 wrenchwench

Nobody’s doing cavity searches for human trafficking. Just for drugs… And of course ‘human trafficking’ sounds much worse than ‘unlawful immigration’.

I overdid the snark there, a little real outrage at that moment. But I seem to recall the frequent charge from the police that the two things coincide so much as to justify a body cavity search de facto. Which has been over ruled in the courts a few times IIRC.

5 nines09  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 2:55:27pm

Wow. Due process? What’s that? I’ll bet there were plenty more shakedowns and assaults that went unreported because of fear of reprisal.

6 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 2:55:33pm

We have a particular linear way of thinking that more police means better police protection.

There is a point of diminishing returns, and there is a point where giving the police more powers does not make us safer.

7 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 2:56:35pm

Do they think that these “perps” are actually gonna have bricks of coke and marijuana stuck up their anuses or vaginas?

Ferchrissakes, get a grip, LE.

You couldn’t produce evidence against this woman that you said was “in her car” and you think she was going to show up with drugs on her person? Just how fucking stupid are you?

This is just unmitigated (and probably racist/anti-immigrant) bullshit.

8 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 2:59:06pm

More police departments should follow the Dallas Chief of Police’s lead:

9 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:05:24pm

re: #8 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

More police departments should follow the Dallas Chief of Police’s lead:

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That’s what I want to see. Somebody getting fired.

10 Bridgeghazi: Never Forget!!11!!!!11  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:07:54pm

re: #3 Joanne

re: #4 Political Atheist

Stop it! You did not over do the snark. you said exactly what everyone was thinking. And, you said it very well!

11 Teukka  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:08:18pm

I know, this is off-topic, but looking at the recent development in the Meredith Kercher case, I decided to look at the prosecutor a bit.
I wonder if you have heard anything about the case on the various RWNJ grapevines, and if so, what? With the behavior as of late, I kind of fear we might see rallying of support for the prosecutor. :/

12 Political Atheist  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:08:37pm

re: #9 wrenchwench

That’s what I want to see. Somebody getting fired.

You might want to consider this a related entry, no Page, just straight from ACLU. To be clear these are (so far) just allegations, i await the outcome.

Sexual Abuse in Immigration Detention

Among the most pernicious problems to emerge in recent years is the sexual abuse of detainees. According to government documents obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union through the Freedom of Information Act, nearly 200 allegations of abuse from detainees in detention facilities across the nation have been fielded by government officials since 2007 alone. And that is likely just the very tip of the iceberg. Sexual abuse is a problem that is widely underreported in the outside world, so there’s little question that number does not represent the full scope of the problem. But one thing is clear: the sexual abuse of immigration detainees is not an isolated problem, limited to one rogue facility or merely the result of a handful of bad apple government contractors who staff the nation’s immigration centers.

13 ObserverArt  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:09:37pm

Damn…another new thread caught me out again. I’m batting a 1.000 today.

Hey Charles…could you place a big old flashing sign with “NEW THREAD” in that bar just above the comment entry box, maybe in the blank spot to the right where it says “front page?” Have it flash for about a half hour and then disappear.

It sure would be handy for a slow poke like me! Let me know if you want some kind of animated gif graphic…I’d be more than happy to help!

: )

14 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:10:07pm

You can thank the Controlled Substances Act of 1970. God bless America. This is right about the time that mental health went down the tubes and incarceration rates begin to skyrocket. There has been close to NO relief from Washington, DC. Business as usual save a few band aids.

15 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:10:50pm

re: #2 wrenchwench

It’s possible they had some evidence and lost it. Still outrageous.

Nobody’s doing cavity searches for human trafficking. Just for drugs. They want more money, though, and even people who want all drugs to be legalized are opposed to human trafficking, so they always include that in their grant proposals. And of course ‘human trafficking’ sounds much worse than ‘unlawful immigration’.

And I’m sure we all know how drug evidence “gets lost”….

16 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:11:34pm

Notice how the cross-over begins in 1970. This is when the Controlled Substances act was passed.

17 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:12:34pm

Of course there’s more to America’s incarceration fetish than drug laws. But the large majority of this sadistic incarceration fetish of American politicians is due to drug laws.

18 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:13:21pm
19 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:15:03pm

Controlled Substances Act

The Controlled Substances Act (CSA) was passed by the 91st United States Congress as Title II of the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970 and signed into law by President Richard Nixon . The CSA is the federal U.S. drug policy under which the manufacture, importation, possession, use and distribution of certain substances is regulated. The Act also served as the national implementing legislation for the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs.

Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970

The Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970, Pub. L. No. 91-513, 84 Stat. 1236 (Oct. 27, 1970), is a United States federal law that, with subsequent modifications, requires the pharmaceutical industry to maintain physical security and strict record keeping for certain types of drugs. Controlled substances are divided into five schedules (or classes) on the basis of their potential for abuse, accepted medical use, and accepted safety under medical supervision. Substances in Schedule I have a high potential for abuse, no accredited medical use, and a lack of accepted safety. From Schedules II to V, substances decrease in potential for abuse. The schedule a substance is placed in determines how it must be controlled. Prescriptions for drugs in all schedules must bear the physician’s federal Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) license number, but some drugs in Schedule V do not require a prescription. State schedules may vary from federal schedules.

20 ObserverArt  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:15:47pm

re: #16 Gus

Notice how the cross-over begins in 1970. This is when the Controlled Substances act was passed.

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Definitely the same time period when they shut down the big “mental hospitals” and went with mainstreaming. I had a friend that worked in mental health from about ‘72 through ‘82. That all pissed him off big time.

Time to check out for a bit. Rustle up some grub and do a few household chores.

Keep warm Gus…and everyone else too! And if you are already warm…well…no cake for you! Well, maybe Charles!

21 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:15:50pm
22 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:16:30pm

re: #17 Gus

Of course there’s more to America’s incarceration fetish than drug laws. But the large majority of this sadistic incarceration fetish of American politicians is due to drug laws.

Maybe the increase of for-profit prisons?
“Wackenhut” kinda rings a bell…

23 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:18:00pm
24 CarolJ  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:18:21pm

re: #6 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

You have a point. Too many can be as bad sometimes as too few. Too many, the need becomes to find enough work, the rules may be too lax allowing some people to get in that shouldn’t be there, and it may allow for slackers because seldom is supervision equal in numbers to the supervised.

Sometimes I think drones would be better for some work. I can see a drone silently patrolling a near-empty warehouse district, taking pictures and then if something is wrong, then sending a police person to do something. Drones could monitor expressway pullover lanes looking for stranded motorists, those wooded areas off them, abandoned buildings and what not. Drones might allow us to offload unfit officers by providing objective information about misconduct, and freeing up the money for recruiting and training better ones.

25 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:18:27pm

“This picture was taken on that day at the White House. Behind the president is Attorney General John Mitchell and next to the president is BNDD Director Jack Ingersoll.”

26 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:19:43pm

Controlled Substances Act. Signed by a crook — that should have gone to prison — while surrounded by crooks.

27 jaunte  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:21:56pm

re: #23 Gus

Looks like they’re cheerfully looking forward to a couple of stiff scotches.

28 EPR-radar  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:23:26pm

re: #26 Gus

Controlled Substances Act. Signed by a crook — that should have gone to prison — while surrounded by crooks.

Another point that should get more attention than is does is the basic legality of this whole mess. It took a constitutional amendment to authorize Federal prohibition of alcohol. Why was no similar amendment needed to let the Feds get involved in policing drug use?

29 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:24:31pm

re: #28 EPR-radar

Another point that should get more attention than is does is the basic legality of this whole mess. It took a constitutional amendment to authorize Federal prohibition of alcohol. Why was no similar amendment needed to let the Feds get involved in policing drug use?

Maybe because booze was legal before prohibition. Grandfathering and all that.

30 ObserverArt  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:25:42pm

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

Maybe the increase of for-profit prisons?
“Wackenhut” kinda rings a bell…

Do you know what old Ohio Governor/Senator George Voinivich’s family business was? The V Group. Operated by his brother. Guess what they did? Build prisons. And, all during that big boom in Ohio prison building and prisoners.

Here is a small snippet from a web piece linked jut below. A great study of political corruption. It’s really sad. And your post reminded me of it. Now I am all pissed off again…it is time to chill, I just happen to see your comment as I was getting ready to log out.

Yet, the largest story ignored by the Dispatch was the steering of prison and jail contracts to the Voinovich family business. Sure, the governor’s brother tried to hide it by changing the business’ name from the Voinovich Company to the V Group. The man who tried the blow the whistle on it, Joseph Gilyard, a Voinovich cabinet member in charge of the criminal justice system, was disparaged by the Dispatch and run out of office. And when the Inspector General David Sturtz began to look into the allegations, Voinovich fired him.

Mr. Corruption: George V. Voinovich’s dedication to cronyism and the profits of his family business motivated his 43-year tenure as a public official

31 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:25:47pm


Lighter note.

32 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:26:17pm

re: #8 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

More police departments should follow the Dallas Chief of Police’s lead:

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Many departments can’t do that. In Madison, the firing has to be done by the Police and Fire commission and takes forever even in the most egregious of cases. This came about because of abuse of power by previous police and fire chiefs.

6 of one half a dozen of the other.

33 blueraven  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:29:19pm

re: #27 jaunte

Looks like they’re cheerfully looking forward to a couple of stiff scotches.

Ok…I need a nap. I read that as stiff crotches

34 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:30:32pm
Jack LeVick, the group’s executive director, says sheriffs feel that the border “is not secure” and still face problems ranging for Mexican drug cartel activity to finding immigrants suspected of being in the country illegally.

So you see, we need this money. We go through A LOT of rubber gloves.

35 Aunty Entity Dragon  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:30:59pm

re: #9 wrenchwench

That’s what I want to see. Somebody getting fired.

The folks over at Policeone.com really, really hate that twitter feed from Chief Brown.

Goddamned political chiefs throwing hard working officers under the bus again and than backing up over the bodies! BTW, civilians should never have any authority to judge actions or criminal allegations against a police officer! Only street cops have the knowledge to judge the actions of another officer. We all damned well know that the most important thing is that every officer is safe at the end of the shift!!!! Civilians and the bottom feeding scumbag injury lawyers will never understand that! Liberals are destroying police work, and I thank God I only have 5 years until I get out!

**taken nearly verbatim from rants I have seen at Policeone.com. One of the interesting features common to nearly all such screeds is the We all damned well know that the most important thing is that every officer is safe at the end of the shift sentiment. Apparently, defending citizens, upholding the Constitution and their oath or saving the life of another human being are not the most important things to do during the workday. The day is to be treated as a combat tour of duty and your mission is to survive. Period.

This attitude almost certainly underlies the militarization of LE since the mid 80’s and the willingness to escalate use of force to astonishing degrees very, very quickly. You see it in the viral video of SWAT teams forcibly entering homes without writ, warrant or probable cause after the Boston marathon bombing last year, and extracting terrified innocents at the point of a submachine gun, as well as numerous photos elsewhere of those officers pointing M16 rifles at residents looking out windows and being cursed and ordered to back away from their own curtains. You see it quite literally every day as dogs are shot to death in the 100 SWAT raids every day and even in ostensibly consensual police encounters where officers walk to a house to ask for directions…

Remember, protecting your rights under the Constitution are not the most important thing here. Making sure YOU get to go home alive is not the priority. The cops at Policeone.com spell it out in black and white every day.

36 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:31:26pm

Until they amend or repeal parts of the Controlled Substances Act this crap is going to keep happening. The cops are protected from abuse. There’s big money to be made in drug laws not only by private prisons but cops and prison guards.

37 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:32:57pm

BNDD - Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs

The Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs (BNDD) was a bureau within the United States Department of Justice (DOJ) and a predecessor agency of the modern Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA).

History

It was created by § 3 of the Reorganization Plan No. 1 of 1968, submitted to Congress on 7 February 1968 and effective 8 April 1968.[1] It was formed as a subsidiary of the United States Department of Justice, combining the Bureau of Narcotics (from the United States Department of the Treasury) and Bureau of Drug Abuse Control (from the United States Department of Health, Education, and Welfare’s Food and Drug Administration) into one agency.

In 1973, the BNDD was merged into the newly formed Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA).

Activities

In 1971 the BNDD was composed of 1,500 agents and had a budget of some $43 million (which was more than fourteen times the size of the budget of the former Bureau of Narcotics).

In January 1971 the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) director, Richard Helms, approved a program of “covert recruitment and security clearance support to BNDD”, on request of the BNDD director, John Ingersoll. Ingersoll suspected widespread corruption among BNDD agents, and in December 1970 requested the CIA’s assistance in rooting it out.

38 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:34:15pm

re: #29 Gus

Maybe because booze was legal before prohibition. Grandfathering and all that.

Marijuana was made illegal in 1937.

39 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:35:35pm

re: #35 Aunty Entity Dragon

Bet they love themselves some Arpaio, though…

40 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:35:44pm

re: #38 Backwoods_Sleuth

Marijuana was made illegal in 1937.

Opium, codeine and cocaine were all once unregulated consumer products.

41 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:36:54pm

re: #27 jaunte

Looks like they’re cheerfully looking forward to a couple of stiff scotches.

Single malt, no doubt. I know someone who worked for Bebe Rebozo when Nixon used to visit him at his place in Key Biscayne, FL. He did maintenance and other “chores” for him and his wife was the housekeeper; they were caretakers when he wasn’t there. Once when having to put up one of Nixon’s suits in a BR closet, he was checking the pockets and found a small amt of cocaine in the front pocket. Funny, the guy is a Republican, even to this day.

Image: 320px-Nixon-rebozo-hoover.jpg

42 SpaceJesus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:37:29pm

And in the midst of all this,

huffingtonpost.com

43 SpaceJesus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:38:01pm

BTW I want to know where SW NM is finding these officers.

44 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:40:12pm

Announce Drug Arrests - John E. Ingersoll, force ground, director of the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs, and Atty. Gen. John N. Mitchell, rear, announce the arrest of 135 of 190 persons named in warrants in weekend raids on an alleged ring of narcotics distributors in 10 cities. Atty. Gen. Mitchell told an unusual Sunday news conference it was ’ the biggest operation of its kind in history ’ and climaxed a six-months investigation with cocaine and heroin being seized. He also said a program to destroy wild marijuana growing in fields would be implemented.

John Mitchell

On February 21, 1975, Mitchell was found guilty of conspiracy, obstruction of justice, and perjury and sentenced to two and a half to eight years in prison for his role in the Watergate break-in and cover-up, which he dubbed the “White House horrors”. The sentence was later reduced to one year to four years by United States district court Judge John J. Sirica. Mitchell served only 19 months of his sentence, at Maxwell Air Force Base in Montgomery, Alabama, a minimum-security prison, before being released on parole for medical reasons and mental instability, in what one official prison report called “paranoid delusional mindset.” Tape recordings made by President Nixon and the testimony of others involved confirmed that Mitchell had participated in meetings to plan the break-in of the Democratic Party’s national headquarters in the Watergate Hotel.[citation needed] In addition, he had met, on at least three occasions, with the president in an effort to cover up White House involvement after the burglars were discovered and arrested.

45 Lidane  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:41:14pm

So he either knew or he didn’t? No shit, Rudy. Pfft.

46 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:42:38pm

re: #45 Lidane

So he either knew or he didn’t? No shit, Rudy. Pfft.

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HuffBlo must have needed some more filler…

47 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:42:43pm

re: #45 Lidane

So he either knew or he didn’t? No shit, Rudy. Pfft.

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At least it’s somewhat of an improvement, as just a couple weeks ago, he was declaring the whole thing a “partisan witch hunt” and declaring that Christie had put the matter to rest with his press conference.

48 Aunty Entity Dragon  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:44:37pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bet they love themselves some Arpaio, though…

Yep. I have never seen a critical comment about Arpaio. Also, when a story is run where you have an investigation of use of force (and sometimes it is obvious that something has gone really, really bad and the officers went off the rails), comments usually run 8 or 9 to one to defend the officers even when the use of force is egregiously illegal. Commenter ” Joe Hoffman” is an especially vocal proponent of beating “civilians” into compliance. I have noted other officers advocating for a return of “nickel rides” where arrested persons would be left unrestrained in a police van (handcuffed but not held by a seatbelt) and then subjected to high gee starts and stops over an extended period, inducing broken bones and internal injuries. Fun stuff.

49 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:44:48pm

Opposes Legalizing Mariju- John E. Ingersoll head of the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drug, answers questions during an interview in his Washington office. Ingersoll said that he disagrees with John Finlator’s recent stand in favor of legalizing the use of marijuana. Finlator retired Jan. 1 as the Bureau’s number two man.

50 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:47:33pm

51 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:50:01pm

Has Sarah Palin or ANY of the RWNJs come to the defense of the fired MSNBC staffer for THEIR right to “Free Speech”? Remember the freak-out just last month about the Hate Speech from Phil and his “Right to Free Speech”?

52 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:50:22pm

John E. Ingersoll
Director, BNDD
1968 - 1973

John E. Ingersoll served as Director of the U.S. Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs (BNDD) from 1968 until 1973. He began his career as a patrolman and then sergeant for the Oakland, California, Police Department from 1956 until 1961, when he became the Director of Field Services for the International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP). He served with the IACP until 1966, when he became the chief of police for Charlotte, North Carolina, until his appointment as Director of BNDD in 1973. He was also the U.S. Representative to the United Nations Commission on Narcotic Drugs from 1969 to 1973. From 1973 to 1993, Mr. Ingersoll worked for the IBM Corporation, serving as Director of Security for IBM’s International Business Unit and the IBM World Trade Subsidiary. Since April 1993, he has worked as an independent consultant to business and government.

From: A Tradition of Excellence [SIC]: A History of the DEA

53 EPR-radar  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:51:39pm

re: #51 Dr. Matt

Has Sarah Palin or ANY of the RWNJs come to the defense of the MSNBC staffer for THEIR right to “Free Speech”? Remember the freak-out just last month about the Hate Speech from Phil and his “Right to Free Speech”?

Of course not. “FREE SPEECH 11ty!!” is only for conservatives.

54 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:52:56pm

re: #53 EPR-radar

Of course not. “FREE SPEECH 11ty!!” is only for conservatives.

How come NO ONE is highlighting the complete and utter fucking hypocrisy from the right? Librul media, my white ass.

55 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:53:57pm

re: #52 Gus

>John E. Ingersoll
Director, BNDD
1968 - 1973

From: A Tradition of Excellence [SIC]: A History of the DEA

Yeah, that bastard was responsible for suppression of anyone w/long hair back then. Hippies were regularly hassled and arrested in public areas in Charlotte for absolutely no reason.

56 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:55:44pm

Former FBI agent, Rep. Michael Grimm (R-NY)

57 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:57:36pm

re: #55 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, that bastard was responsible for suppression of anyone w/long hair back then. Hippies were regularly hassled and arrested in public areas in Charlotte for absolutely no reason.

70s were awful.

58 EPR-radar  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:57:44pm

re: #54 Dr. Matt

How come >NO ONE is highlighting the complete and utter fucking hypocrisy from the right? Librul media, my white ass.

Because that would mean doing real work as a journalist. It’s much easier to be a stenographer for the right wing, or bloviate about the need for bipartisan compromise. Few in the media want to work for a living.

The president of MSNBC should be fired for dereliction of duty —- he took a perfect moment to educate people on the racism of the US right wing and turned it into a pants-shitting farce.

59 Jack Burton  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:58:18pm

re: #45 Lidane

So he either knew or he didn’t? No shit, Rudy. Pfft.

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“Did you put this together yourself Einstein? What, do you got a team of monkeys working around the clock on this?”

60 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 3:59:16pm

61 makeitstop  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:00:28pm

re: #54 Dr. Matt

How come >NO ONE is highlighting the complete and utter fucking hypocrisy from the right? Librul media, my white ass.

Here’s hoping Maddow jumps on it.

62 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:01:28pm

re: #60 Gus

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Fed. Law Enforcement Agencies. Reads better here.

63 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:02:25pm

We’re still living in 1914 in many ways.

64 allegro  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:05:07pm

re: #57 Gus

70s were awful.

Seriously. Disco happened. =0

65 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:06:18pm

re: #64 allegro

Seriously. Disco happened. =0

You all should be ashamed.
/

66 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:06:25pm

re: #64 allegro

Seriously. Disco happened. =0

Overly patched jeans.

67 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:08:39pm

Glenn Greenwald is having a massive butthurt that someone called him a “paranoid Libertarian”

68 Kragar  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:08:40pm
69 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:09:22pm

re: #57 Gus

70s were awful.

WORST. FASHION. DECADE. EVER.

70 nines09  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:09:39pm

re: #38 Backwoods_Sleuth

Marijuana was made illegal in 1937.

And insanity has ruled since then. Maybe now we are about to enter a more sane age as far as drugs go. We shall see. Hard to give up all that “enforcement” money. It’s like a …………..drug.

71 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:09:41pm

re: #65 Varek Raith

You all should be ashamed.
/

Don’t look at me. I was listening to Marshall Tucker and New Riders. //

72 Lidane  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:11:29pm

re: #64 allegro

Seriously. Disco happened. =0

Disco. Shag carpets. Leisure suits. Pet Rocks.

At least I was just a little kid back then. The rest of you had no excuse. ;)

73 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:11:58pm

re: #69 Pie-onist Overlord

WORST. FASHION. DECADE. EVER.

For your consideration……


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74 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:12:34pm

re: #72 Lidane

Disco. Shag carpets. Leisure suits. Pet Rocks.

At least I was just a little kid back then. The rest of you had no excuse. ;)

Look! A cabinet! Let’s cover it in shag carpet!

75 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:12:42pm

Freaking Italy.
Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian court

Best comment;

A country that imprisons earthquake scientists for manslaughter for failing to predict an earthquake cannot really be taken too seriously.

76 Kragar  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:13:44pm

re: #69 Pie-onist Overlord

WORST. FASHION. DECADE. EVER.

If you pick any random date from 85-93, betting I was wearing jeans, a black t-shirt and a unbuttoned flannel shirt was likely the safest bet to make.

77 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:14:59pm

1970s:
Watergate
Collapse in Vietnam
Leisure suits
Chevy Vega
Disco
Shag haircuts
Shag carpets
My first marriage

Yep, I didn’t think it was the end of the world, it only made me wish for the end of the world.

78 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:15:39pm

re: #77 Shiplord Kirel

1970s:
Watergate
Collapse in Vietnam
Leisure suits
Chevy Vega
Disco
Shag haircuts hairdo
Shag carpets
My first marriage

Yep, I didn’t think it was the end of the world, it only made me wish for the end of the world.

FTFY //

80 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:17:03pm

re: #78 Gus

FTFY //

Whatever, I only know it was a time when people of both genders apparently went out of their way to show solidarity with their pets.

81 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:18:45pm
82 Kragar  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:18:59pm
83 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:19:20pm

re: #69 Pie-onist Overlord

WORST. FASHION. DECADE. EVER.

Action Zone Pants!

84 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:19:38pm

re: #81 Shiplord Kirel

Heh. I grew up in the 70s in SoCal and I remember a lot of the fashion wackiness of that era pretty vividly.

Just damn.

85 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:20:52pm

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

Action Zone Pants!

Now that is just wrong, especially the look on the poodle’s face.

86 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:21:20pm

re: #85 Shiplord Kirel

Now that is just wrong, especially the look on the poodle’s face.

Dogs know…

87 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:21:36pm

88 Kragar  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:21:37pm

Sorry, but any era which included iron banded hoop skirts automatically takes the gold for bad fashion sense.

89 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:21:41pm

re: #85 Shiplord Kirel

Now that is just wrong, especially the look on the poodle’s face.

Oh shit….I never noticed the look on the poodle’s face before!

LOLOLOLOL

90 Blue Fielder  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:22:05pm

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

I hope you know that’s a fake ad.

91 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:22:17pm

92 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:23:25pm

re: #90 Blue Fielder

I hope you know that’s a fake ad.

well, yeah…the “extra large snack sack” kinda gives it away…

93 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:23:50pm

re: #87 Gus

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I’ll raise you a Citicar:

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94 Kragar  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:23:58pm

95 Lidane  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:24:57pm

Hahahaha:

The look on the kids’ faces is priceless.

96 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:25:59pm

re: #95 Lidane

Hahahaha:

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The look on the kids’ faces is priceless.

Am I evil to look at that ad and the first thing that pops into my head is “It’s the Romney’s!” and then laugh maniacally?

97 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:28:30pm

98 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:28:56pm

re: #50 Gus

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$220 an ounce isn’t bad but I suppose there’s something like 30% tax on top of that.

99 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:29:07pm

100 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:29:45pm

Operation Stonegarden

The intent of this $60 million program is to enhance coordination among local, state and federal law enforcement agencies to secure the borders with Mexico, Canada, and international waters.[12] OPSG is intended to support U.S. border States and territories in increasing the nation’s capability to handle border security issues, emphasizing the role of local operational groups in enhancing National and State Homeland Security (such as the Federal Secure Borders Initiative and U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) strategies), increasing collaboration among all the levels of law enforcement agencies, continuing the enhancements required for border security, providing intelligence-based operations through U.S. Customs and Border Protection experts to ensure safety and operational oversight of law enforcement agencies participating in the projects operation, supporting the activation, deployment, or redeployment of specialized National Guard Units, Packages and elements of State law enforcement to enhance operational activities, and continuing to increase readiness of all law enforcement agencies.[6] Those eligible for OPSG funding are local units of government at the county level and federally recognized tribal governments in the states bordering Canada, Mexico or those with international water borders.[13] Allocations of funds, received from the Homeland Security Appropriations Act, 2010 (Public Law 110-83), are based on a risk-based prioritization by U.S. Customs and Border Protection’s sector-specific border risk methodology, which include “threat, vulnerability, miles of border and other border-specific law enforcement intelligence.”[13] On July 15, 2010, Secretary Napolitano announced that 80 percent of Operation Stonegarden funding will now be directed to Southwest border states, and tribal funding will be increased by $8.2 million to $10 million in FY 2010.[14]

Any jurisdiction with more than one successful lawsuit against it for abuse of the public should be ineligible for further grants from this program.

101 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:30:41pm

102 Kragar  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:30:43pm

103 Lidane  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:30:49pm

re: #99 Gus

OMG that wood paneling. That shit was errrywhere when I was a kid. Hideous.

104 Lidane  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:31:11pm

re: #102 Kragar

Still alive. Hah.

105 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:31:24pm

re: #97 Gus

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re: #99 Gus

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That’s the house I grew up in!

106 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:31:34pm

re: #99 Gus


107 Single-handed sailor  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:32:02pm

re: #97 Gus

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Ah Hah. Watching the carpet grow. I’ve done that on many occasions.

108 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:32:40pm

109 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:33:10pm

re: #103 Lidane

OMG that wood paneling. That shit was errrywhere when I was a kid. Hideous.

You mean like this?

110 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:33:38pm

111 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:33:40pm

re: #79 Dr Lizardo

70’s ATTACK!!

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Fashion weirdness, disco, and Jimmy Carter. Truly, those were years the locusts ate.

But I did like American Hustle and I thought the movie used the decades fashion absurdities effectively.

112 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:34:06pm

re: #110 Gus

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My car!

113 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:35:14pm

114 TedStriker  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:35:16pm

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

Action Zone Pants!

There’s so many things wrong with that ad…

115 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:36:32pm

re: #113 Gus

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OK, not my bike. I had a Varsity.

I did have exactly one halter top, which I made myself, from fabric almost that ugly.

116 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:36:49pm

117 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:36:51pm
118 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:37:44pm

119 TedStriker  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:37:45pm

re: #90 Blue Fielder

I hope you know that’s a fake ad.

It’s still just so wrong.

;-P

120 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:38:19pm

re: #111 Dark_Falcon

Fashion weirdness, disco, and Jimmy Carter. Truly, those were years the locusts ate.

But I did like American Hustle and I thought the movie used the decades fashion absurdities effectively.

I agree; for me personally, the definitive film about the 1970s is Paul Thomas Anderson’s “Boogie Nights”; it’s the film I use to measure all contemporary films with a 1970s setting.

121 Stanley Sea  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:38:27pm

re: #115 wrenchwench

OK, not my bike. I had a Varsity.

I did have exactly one halter top, which I made myself, from fabric almost that ugly.

How bout tube tops? Lol.

122 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:38:42pm

123 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:40:29pm

124 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:41:25pm

re: #123 Gus

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Is that a young Johnny Carson?

edit

nevermind

125 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:41:32pm

Back when you could use the same bolt of fabric for clothing, furniture and window coverings.

126 TedStriker  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:42:45pm

re: #102 Kragar

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re: #104 Lidane

Still alive. Hah.

And still doesn’t look that much different.

Maybe just more ear hair.

127 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:43:16pm

My eyes are bleeding from looking at these pictures. Did the Fashion Police just take the entire decade off?

128 jvic  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:43:49pm

The Seventies:

When the Don’t Trust Anyone Over 30 set reached their 30s, weirdness ensued.

129 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:44:09pm

Of course, not everything was bad in the 70s.

The Ramones at CBGB

130 Kragar  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:44:44pm

plaidstallions.com

Reliving the 70s one catalog page at a time.

131 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:44:49pm

132 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:45:16pm

re: #127 Targetpractice

My eyes are bleeding from looking at these pictures. Did the Fashion Police just take the entire decade off?

They were bribed by the polyester cartel.

133 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:46:40pm

re: #127 Targetpractice

My eyes are bleeding from looking at these pictures. Did the Fashion Police just take the entire decade off?

They’d been fired as “oppressive”. It was not until 1981 that the Fashion Police were reinstated by Ronald Reagan, a lesser known but important element of his greatness.

134 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:46:46pm

So among the crimes of the Boomers, we can now list “The 70s.” Not just the fashion, the music, the culture, or the politics. Just “The 70s.”

135 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:47:32pm

136 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:49:58pm

re: #129 Dr Lizardo

Of course, not everything was bad in the 70s.

The Ramones at CBGB

Indeed.

Youtube Video

137 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:50:15pm

138 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:51:07pm

139 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:51:47pm

140 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:52:17pm

re: #134 Targetpractice

So among the crimes of the Boomers, we can now list “The 70s.” Not just the fashion, the music, the culture, or the politics. Just “The 70s.”

Don’t think you can blame the all boomers for the 70s. Some of us were just kids then. I myself was a tail end charlie (1961)

A baby boomer is a person who was born during the demographic Post-World War II baby boom between the years 1946 and 1964, according to the U.S. Census Bureau

wiki link

141 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:53:47pm

re: #140 Bubblehead II

Don’t think you can blame the all boomers for the 70s. Some of us were just kids then. I myself was a tail end charlie (1961)

A baby boomer is a person who was born during the demographic Post-World War II baby boom between the years 1946 and 1964, according to the U.S. Census Bureau

wiki link

Okay, we’re willing to allow the kids to plead to lesser crimes against fashion.

//

142 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:53:49pm

143 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:53:53pm

And of course, this:

144 Lidane  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:54:41pm

The 70s had some good things despite the eye bleeding fashion:

Youtube Video

145 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:54:49pm

146 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:54:50pm

re: #137 Gus

re: #139 Gus

OK, those are better things to have come up of the 1970’s.

147 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:54:58pm

re: #134 Targetpractice

So among the crimes of the Boomers, we can now list “The 70s.” Not just the fashion, the music, the culture, or the politics. Just “The 70s.”

The 70s gave us Rollerball, so whatever crimes it may have committed are hereby pardoned.

Youtube Video

148 Stanley Sea  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:55:01pm

re: #142 Gus

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Its missing the brownie

149 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:55:37pm

150 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:56:55pm

re: #143 Dr Lizardo

And of course, this:

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The second best product of 1977, exceeded only by yours truly (born November 10th, 1977).

151 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:57:01pm

re: #149 Gus

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Sourkraut…on pizza. What next, pineapple?

152 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:57:09pm

I remember this one from when I was still only seven years old. It blew me away.

Youtube Video

153 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:57:52pm

154 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:58:42pm

155 Stanley Sea  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 4:59:36pm

My brother watched a shit ton of wrestling in the 70’s

156 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:01:15pm

157 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:01:43pm

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

Action Zone Pants!

The “Action Pants” is not a real ad, it’s a spoof.

158 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:02:22pm

Noticed that the twitter counter for the previous post was increasing rapidly - checked the retweets with TweetDeck, and it’s because Dan Savage retweeted it.

159 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:03:31pm

I’m not sure whether to list Star Trek: The Motion Picture as a good or bad thing about the 70s.

160 danarchy  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:04:04pm

re: #99 Gus

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Hey why are you taking pictures in my parents basement!

161 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:05:06pm

re: #160 danarchy

Hey why are you taking pictures in my parents basement!

That’s MY basement!

162 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:05:13pm

Then came the 80s.

163 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:06:09pm

re: #159 Targetpractice

I’m not sure whether to list Star Trek: The Motion Picture as a good or bad thing about the 70s.

How about Buck Rogers in the 25th century or Space 1999

164 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:06:40pm
165 Lidane  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:07:17pm

A Buzzfeed list after my own heart:

53 Things Only ’80s Girls Can Understand

Heh.

166 dog philosopher  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:07:35pm

re: #1 Political Atheist

This is truly outrageous. “failed to produce the evidence” means only one thing-They lied. It was never there.

or maybe they smoked it all up…

167 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:07:50pm

168 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:08:02pm

Whew. Much better.

169 allegro  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:08:31pm

I’m watching my life flash before my eyes. I think it’s freaking me out.

170 TedStriker  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:09:52pm

re: #159 Targetpractice

I’m not sure whether to list Star Trek: The Motion Picture as a good or bad thing about the 70s.

Mind you, I was only 4 when ST:TMP was in theaters, but here’s my opinion.

The theatrical cut: Not so hot, with all of the problems with post-production, but definitely good enough that it warranted all of the sequels and spin-offs we got.

The director’s cut Robert Wise and Paramount did in 2000, which cleaned up a lot of the SFX and had a tighter edit: Much, much better.

171 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:10:20pm

re: #163 Bubblehead II

How about Buck Rogers in the 25th century or Space 1999

Battlestar Galactica (original TV series).

1978 - Richard Donner’s “Superman”.

172 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:10:31pm

173 dog philosopher  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:11:11pm

i spent the 70s in a different place than polyester disco land

i lived in whole grains torn jeans grateful dead land

174 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:11:34pm

re: #159 Targetpractice

I’m not sure whether to list Star Trek: The Motion Picture as a good or bad thing about the 70s.

Bad. The first good Star Trek movie was Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. The good Star Trek movies were the ones that had good villains.

175 klys  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:12:12pm

re: #174 Dark_Falcon

Bad. The first good Star Trek movie was Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. The good Star Trek movies were the ones that had good villains.*

* Or whales.

176 dog philosopher  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:12:14pm

re: #172 Gus

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is that a sparkly pony dressed up to look like a human?

177 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:12:53pm

Jim Wright weighed in on the Munoz situation over at Stonekettle Station. To put it mildly, he seems a bit peeved.

stonekettle.com

And it looks like the comments (under moderation) are probably not improving his mood.

178 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:14:35pm

re: #174 Dark_Falcon

Bad. The first good Star Trek movie was Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. The good Star Trek movies were the ones that had good villains.

One reviewer I heard said you can tell which Trek movies are the bad ones because they have singing in them, except The Motion Picture, because that would only distract from the boredom.

179 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:15:37pm

re: #152 Dr Lizardo

I remember this one from when I was still only seven years old. It blew me away.

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I remember this from when I was 10. Freaked me out. Saw it opening week at Grauman’s Chinese Theater.

Youtube Video

180 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:16:19pm

70s fashion was largely a caricature of late 60s fashion.

181 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:16:48pm

I can’t even really think of what movie was the first I saw in theaters. Earliest one I can say for certain I remember going to see was Star Trek VI.

182 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:17:00pm
183 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:17:28pm

The four films which really changed the way Hollywood makes - and markets - films all came out of the 70s.

Jaws.

Star Wars.

Superman.

Alien.

Those four films altered the Hollywood landscape and ushered in the era of the “event film”; the summer blockbuster, a pattern we still see almost four decades later.

184 klys  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:17:31pm

re: #181 Targetpractice

I can’t even really think of what movie was the first I saw in theaters. Earliest one I can say for certain I remember going to see was Star Trek VI.

The Little Mermaid.

What, I was like 4.

185 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:18:53pm

re: #184 klys

The Little Mermaid.

What, I was like 4.

I might have seen it in theater, but I admit my memory is less reliable than a Yugo.

186 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:19:37pm

Back to the 70s.

SERPICO - Trailer (1973)

Youtube Video

187 Lidane  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:19:41pm

First movie I saw was Star Wars when I was 4. One of my uncles took me and some of my cousins in his car to the local drive-in to see it.

188 klys  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:20:04pm

re: #185 Targetpractice

I might have seen it in theater, but I admit my memory is less reliable than a Yugo.

I mostly remember because giant Ursula on the big screen at the end was kind of traumatizing. I think there may have been crying involved.

189 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:20:06pm

re: #183 Dr Lizardo

The four films which really changed the way Hollywood makes - and markets - films all came out of the 70s.

Jaws.

Star Wars.

Superman.

Alien.

Those four films altered the Hollywood landscape and ushered in the era of the “event film”; the summer blockbuster, a pattern we still see almost four decades later.

Jaws should have been the cautionary tale to the other listed franchises, that one sequel might work well, two if you stretched it, but anything over that was utter shite.

190 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:20:08pm

re: #179 wrenchwench

I remember this from when I was 10. Freaked me out. Saw it opening week at Grauman’s Chinese Theater.

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2001 and Silent Running were hugely influential films. 2001 was a visual effects masterpiece, and it still holds up. Silent Running gave us the “used future” - where spaceships look well lived-in. That in turn influenced Star Wars and Alien.

191 klys  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:20:46pm

re: #187 Lidane

First movie I saw was Star Wars when I was 4. One of my uncles took me and some of my cousins in his car to the local drive-in to see it.

My parents did Star Wars as one of their first dates.

192 danarchy  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:21:30pm

re: #184 klys

The Little Mermaid.

What, I was like 4.

No judgement, mine was Bambi. When you are that young, it is really your parents choice anyway.

193 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:21:40pm

Lets see, what offences did I commit during the 70s- Early 80s. (fashion wise)

Tight fitting patterned nylon shirts— CHECK

White (actually cream) linen looks suit with vest — CHECK

Dark Green Quiana (?) shirt with huge bell sleeves to go with suit — CHECK

A dark red corduroy suit, with stove pipe legs, a double breasted vest, rounded lapels that come WAY out toward the shoulders — CHECK

Blue Suede shoes with 5 inch wooden platform soles for above suit — CHECK

A “Curly Tight Perm” (and since my hair was baby fine, it didn’t last long) — CHECK

An AMC Gremlin — CHECK

Yet inspite of all of that going for me, I still had trouble getting laid. Go figure.

RBS

194 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:23:12pm

re: #181 Targetpractice

I can’t even really think of what movie was the first I saw in theaters. Earliest one I can say for certain I remember going to see was Star Trek VI.

The first one I REALLY remember was my parents taking me to Catch-22, I’d have been about 14 or so at the time.

RBS

195 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:23:20pm

I remember a lot of critics panning Star Wars. One local critic loved it and refer to it as the Saturday matinee grown up. I still love the series.

196 Stanley Sea  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:24:42pm

re: #167 Gus

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who?

197 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:24:48pm

re: #157 Pie-onist Overlord

The “Action Pants” is not a real ad, it’s a spoof.

I know.
I just like yelling ACTION PANTS!!!

198 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:24:53pm

re: #195 PhillyPretzel

I remember a lot of critics panning Star Wars. One local critic loved it and refer to it as the Saturday matinee grown up. I still love the series.

I think in some ways it helps to remember that Lucas didn’t really bank on the series continuing past the first film. That’s why it holds up well on its own as an individual movie as well as the launching point for the two sequels.

Too bad he never got around to continuing the series…

199 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:25:35pm

re: #196 Stanley Sea

who?

Don’t know. Just saw the pic.

200 dog philosopher  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:25:47pm

the 70s was actually a really great decade if you just took care to stay away from the oogly parts

there was stevie wonder, the dead, and a lot of great fusion jazz like weather report, miles davis, and the mahavishnu orchestra

whole wheat bread and reefer were widely available for the first time

you no longer had to register at a motel as “mr and mrs ‘smith’” if you didn’t happen to be married

and it was the first full decade of long hair and jeans

201 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:26:13pm

re: #190 Dr Lizardo

2001 and Silent Running were hugely influential films. 2001 was a visual effects masterpiece, and it still holds up. Silent Running gave us the “used future” - where spaceships look well lived-in. That in turn influenced Star Wars and Alien.

I loved Silent Running, but I don’t think I saw it until it was on TV.

202 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:26:30pm

re: #195 PhillyPretzel

I remember a lot of critics panning Star Wars. One local critic loved it and refer to it as the Saturday matinee grown up. I still love the series.

My dad took me to see it when it first came out in ‘77; he’d grown up watching the Flash Gordon serials at the matinees, and he commented as well that Star Wars was basically a Flash Gordon movie with outstanding visual effects and great music.

203 blueraven  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:28:10pm

re: #167 Gus

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That one looks more like the 80s

204 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:28:15pm

re: #202 Dr Lizardo

My dad took me to see it when it first came out in ‘77; he’d grown up watching the Flash Gordon serials at the matinees, and he commented as well that Star Wars was basically a Flash Gordon movie with outstanding visual effects and great music.

And then 3 years later, they released an actual Flash Gordon film.

205 dog philosopher  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:28:34pm

i lived in a hippie house down near the railroad switching yards where it cost me $75/mo to sublet a room, took acid, worked in restaurants for $2.50/hr and saved money, hitchhiked down to baja, and got a college degree

206 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:28:49pm

Flesh Gordon - Trailer

Youtube Video

1974! NSFW sort of. Horrible.

207 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:29:02pm

re: #203 blueraven

That one looks more like the 80s

Yep.

208 thedopefishlives  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:29:47pm

Evening Lizardim. (Yes, again.) How go things here in the Anti-Derp Zone?

209 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:30:57pm

Trailer for Zardoz (1974)

Youtube Video

210 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:31:28pm

re: #208 thedopefishlives

Evening Lizardim. (Yes, again.) How go things here in the Anti-Derp Zone?

Just another fun-filled evening at the LGF Old Folks Home for Elderly Geeks.

211 calochortus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:31:29pm

re: #208 thedopefishlives

Evening Lizardim. (Yes, again.) How go things here in the Anti-Derp Zone?

We’re apparently wandering down memory lane. Which is much longer for some of us than others.

212 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:32:13pm

re: #204 Targetpractice

And then 3 years later, they released an actual Flash Gordon film.

Hahahah, oh yes, they did. With Max von Sydow not so much chewing the scenery as Ming, but rather, savoring it, with some fava beans and a nice chianti.

One of my favorite incarnations of screen villainy. And who forget the hot General Kala?

General Kala

213 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:32:29pm

re: #204 Targetpractice

And then 3 years later, they released an actual Flash Gordon film.

Now I’m going to have Queen and BRIAN BLESSED in my brains for the rest of the night.

214 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:32:44pm

Ugh.

215 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:34:08pm

re: #213 The Ghost of a Flea

Now I’m going to have Queen and BRIAN BLESSED in my brains for the rest of the night.

Youtube Video

You’re welcome.

216 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:34:50pm
217 dog philosopher  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:35:22pm

o.t.

Three Stooges/Soviet Union Connection

how many of you all have heard this song before? i never had…

three stooges: swingin’ the alphabet

the stooges premiered it in a 1938 short

Unfrozen Siberian Girlfriend tells me that in the soviet union it was taught to all schoolchildren who studied english to help them learn our alphabet - they had no idea who the three stooges were…

218 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:35:27pm
219 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:36:27pm
220 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:37:02pm

Two SEPARATE incidents.

221 thedopefishlives  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:37:38pm

Yanno, maybe it’s just that I know three current or ex-police officers personally, but I always get unreasonably upset at stories of people shooting at or killing cops. I get that there are corrupt or power-tripping cops out there, but that’s no excuse to gun them down willy-nilly.

222 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:37:51pm

re: #209 Gus

Trailer for Zardoz (1974)

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Awesome special effects!

223 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:38:27pm

re: #215 Dr Lizardo

You’re welcome.

Youtube Video

I love Brian Blessed chewing scenery.

Blackadder; Flash Gordon; I, Claudius.

I want this man to be my herald.

224 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:39:50pm

I smell a sovereign citizen.

225 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:41:39pm

re: #223 The Ghost of a Flea

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I love Brian Blessed chewing scenery.

Blackadder; Flash Gordon; I, Claudius.

I want this man to be my herald.

Yes!

226 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:44:17pm

Utah County sheriff’s deputy killed, another injured in shooting

Suspect in custody

Utah County Sheriff’s Sgt. Cory Wride, pictured in this 2004 photo, was shot and killed in Eagle Mountain on Thursday, Jan. 30, 2014, after he stopped to assist a motorist.

227 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:44:33pm

UTAH COUNTY, Utah (ABC 4 Utah) - Two Utah County Sheriff’s officers were shot Thursday afternoon in an incident that began in Eagle Mountain.

Sheriff Tracy with Utah County Sheriff’s Office says Sgt. Cory Wride was ambushed, shot and killed when attempting to help an abandoned or disabled vehicle.

Sgt. Wride is a 19-year veteran and leaves behind a wife and five children.

A second deputy engaged in high-speed chase with the suspect in Santaquin. The second deputy was shot in the head. He was transported to Utah Valley Regional Hospital and is in surgery.

228 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:45:53pm

re: #226 Shiplord Kirel

Utah County sheriff’s deputy killed, another injured in shooting

Suspect in custody

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Shot and killed after stopping to assist a motorist?

My Spidey Lizardo Sense is thinking; possible sovereign citizen? Sounds like the kind of shit they’d pull.

229 Kid A  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:46:11pm
230 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:47:19pm

Tracy declined to identify the man but said he had a significant criminal history.

sfgate.com

231 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:47:47pm

re: #228 Dr Lizardo

Shot and killed after stopping to assist a motorist?

My Spidey Lizardo Sense is thinking possible sovereign citizen? Sounds like the kind of shit they’d pull.

They’re fairly thick on the ground in Utah and it does sound like their MO, ambush with no warning at all. We’ll see.

232 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:48:05pm

re: #221 thedopefishlives

Yanno, maybe it’s just that I know three current or ex-police officers personally, but I always get unreasonably upset at stories of people shooting at or killing cops. I get that there are corrupt or power-tripping cops out there, but that’s no excuse to gun them down willy-nilly.

Yes. Of course.

233 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:48:10pm

re: #171 Dr Lizardo

Battlestar Galactica (original TV series).

1978 - Richard Donner’s “Superman”.

1978 - Blake’s 7. Best new TV SF of the decade.

234 thedopefishlives  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:49:17pm

re: #232 Gus

Yes. Of course.

For example, I am not condoning the actions of any of the law enforcement mentioned in the OP. That’s just stupid. But there are some damn good cops out there trying to do their jobs, and they don’t deserve to get a bullet in the brain just for stopping to help a supposed citizen in distress.

235 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:50:10pm

re: #231 Shiplord Kirel

They’re fairly thick on the ground in Utah and it does sound like their MO, ambush with no warning at all. We’ll see.

Exactly. It sounds very much like sovereign citizen SOP, but yes, we’ll have to wait and see.

236 Skip Intro  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:50:48pm

re: #193 RealityBasedSteve

Lets see, what offences did I commit during the 70s- Early 80s. (fashion wise)

Tight fitting patterned nylon shirts— CHECK

White (actually cream) linen looks suit with vest — CHECK

Dark Green Quiana (?) shirt with huge bell sleeves to go with suit — CHECK

A dark red corduroy suit, with stove pipe legs, a double breasted vest, rounded lapels that come WAY out toward the shoulders — CHECK

Blue Suede shoes with 5 inch wooden platform soles for above suit — CHECK

A “Curly Tight Perm” (and since my hair was baby fine, it didn’t last long) — CHECK

An AMC Gremlin — CHECK

Yet inspite of all of that going for me, I still had trouble getting laid. Go figure.

RBS

I don’t believe you. Nobody drove an AMC Gremlin.

237 thedopefishlives  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:51:01pm

re: #236 Skip Intro

I don’t believe you. >Nobody drove an AMC Gremlin.

Not for long, anyway.

238 ObserverArt  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:55:50pm

re: #125 Gus

Back when you could use the same bolt of fabric for clothing, furniture and window coverings.

Don’t forget the interior for that van pictured earlier!

Except, a lot of that material was nylon/raylon freakin’ plastic. One escaping hot seed form the joint you rolled out of the $25 Oz would put paid to the clothes, the furniture, the wall covering…or the interior of the van.

Ahhh…the 70s. Graduated from high school in ‘72…college through early ‘77. Art school had a 4.5 year BA program. Had to party during then summers, run sound and roadie and the like. Couldn’t do that one extra summer semester. it was the 70s!

And as a guy…what the hell was wrong with haler tops?! Things were…ah…freer then.

/// Am I going to hell? Wait…don’t answer that.

239 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 5:59:04pm

re: #229 Kid A

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240 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:00:47pm

re: #234 thedopefishlives

For example, I am not condoning the actions of any of the law enforcement mentioned in the OP. That’s just stupid. But there are some damn good cops out there trying to do their jobs, and they don’t deserve to get a bullet in the brain just for stopping to help a supposed citizen in distress.

It’s OK to be critical and even pissed off sometimes. Responding against the bad cops — while claiming to be anti-violence — with violence just doesn’t make sense. It’s a pretty long leap to go from being pissed off at some cop for a body cavity search and then applauding cop-killers. That type of leap is pretty close to criminal behavior itself. I don’t put up with the “fuck the cops” crowd. They’re a strange lot.

241 ObserverArt  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:02:37pm

re: #127 Targetpractice

My eyes are bleeding from looking at these pictures. Did the Fashion Police just take the entire decade off?

They were pretty glaring fashions. Also, keep in mind, it was the first time guys started to get all dolled up and maybe even a bit fem as “the gays” were opening up and setting some trends, You had Robert Plant wearing basically frilly female tops (he was macho enough to do it), longer hair, so it was a big adjustment in fashion and it hadn’t weeded (there’s that reference again!) out. And on the female fashion side you had the influences from “women’s lib” and also disco with the big hair and the frilly dresses etc.

But, I swear, you can go back to any period 20 or mores years prior to whatever time period you are in and probably think what was/were I/they thinking.

242 thedopefishlives  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:05:07pm

re: #240 Gus

It’s OK to be critical and even pissed off sometimes. Responding against the bad cops — while claiming to be anti-violence — with violence just doesn’t make sense. It’s a pretty long leap to go from being pissed off at some cop for a body cavity search and then applauding cop-killers. That type of leap is pretty close to criminal behavior itself. I don’t put up with the 𠇏uck the cops” crowd. They’re a strange lot.

You, sir, win an internet for that.

243 ObserverArt  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:08:16pm

re: #168 Gus

Whew. Much better.

That cracked me up!!! Good one Gus. You are feeling it tonight.

244 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:09:21pm

re: #240 Gus

It’s OK to be critical and even pissed off sometimes. Responding against the bad cops — while claiming to be anti-violence — with violence just doesn’t make sense. It’s a pretty long leap to go from being pissed off at some cop for a body cavity search and then applauding cop-killers. That type of leap is pretty close to criminal behavior itself. I don’t put up with the “fuck the cops” crowd. They’re a strange lot.

There’s a pretty large “fuck the cops” crowd at Free Republic. “Support your local police” as a rightwing mantra is a long time in the past.

245 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:09:47pm

re: #240 Gus

It’s OK to be critical and even pissed off sometimes. Responding against the bad cops — while claiming to be anti-violence — with violence just doesn’t make sense. It’s a pretty long leap to go from being pissed off at some cop for a body cavity search and then applauding cop-killers. That type of leap is pretty close to criminal behavior itself. I don’t put up with the “fuck the cops” crowd. They’re a strange lot.

I’m with you there, Gus.

246 darthstar  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:09:59pm

re: #142 Gus

Yum!

247 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:10:30pm

re: #231 Shiplord Kirel

They’re fairly thick on the ground in Utah and it does sound like their MO, ambush with no warning at all. We’ll see.

Actually they mostly don’t do that. But as the SPLC has made clear, when “Sovereign Citizens” feel severely harassed and threatened by “The State”, they can become explosive enough that their next contact with government authority is liable to see them lash out violently.

248 Stanley Sea  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:11:10pm

Me belly is full of carnitas. So full so good.

249 palomino  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:11:43pm

re: #229 Kid A

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Hard to argue with that. I’d say the same goes for conservatives wrt homophobia and xenophobia as well. Today’s American conservatives are largely animated by a fear of wider societal change, namely the increased influence of gays, non-white immigrants, minorities, etc, that we’ve witnessed over the last few decades.

250 ObserverArt  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:11:44pm

re: #173 dog philosopher

i spent the 70s in a different place than polyester disco land

i lived in whole grains torn jeans grateful dead land

I was in art school and running sound for bands during the summers. Bell bottom jeans with paint from wiping your brushes on ‘em! Torn out knees, too. Simple solid color t-shirts. Early punk. Due to low budget…art school and buying herb (what…again?).

: )

251 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:11:58pm
252 Stanley Sea  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:13:17pm

Ya’ll remember the movie 4 Brothers?

Watching it now. It’s really good.

253 ObserverArt  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:13:31pm

re: #183 Dr Lizardo

The four films which really changed the way Hollywood makes - and markets - films all came out of the 70s.

Jaws.

Star Wars.

Superman.

Alien.

Those four films altered the Hollywood landscape and ushered in the era of the “event film”; the summer blockbuster, a pattern we still see almost four decades later.

The Exorcist.

(Sorry if already mentioned…I’m rushing to catch up)

EDIT: The Godfather.

254 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:14:32pm

re: #249 palomino

Hard to argue with that. I’d say the same goes for conservatives wrt homophobia and xenophobia as well. Today’s American conservatives are largely animated by a fear of wider societal change, namely the increased influence of gays, non-white immigrants, minorities, etc, that we’ve witnessed over the last few decades.

The wingnuts can’t cope with the level and rapidity of social change; it’s simply too much for them to take in. I guess somewhat akin to sensory overload, and that’s what’s causing the freakout we’re seeing.

255 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:15:07pm

re: #251 lawhawk

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Hacking is a human right!! //

256 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:15:19pm

re: #244 Shiplord Kirel

Don’t get that at all.

A person can be pro-law enforcement without applauding every single action or policy they engage in.

A person can still be pro-law enforcement even when they call for accountability for malfeasance by cops - as say when they tear gas kids holding a peaceful protest or assaulting someone for no reason or engaging in unreasonable searches and seizures.

But to openly gloat and call for shooting cops because they’re doing their jobs upholding the laws enacted by their jurisdictions? That’s a whole different level of wrong.

257 ObserverArt  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:16:22pm

re: #193 RealityBasedSteve

Lets see, what offences did I commit during the 70s- Early 80s. (fashion wise)

Tight fitting patterned nylon shirts— CHECK

White (actually cream) linen looks suit with vest — CHECK

Dark Green Quiana (?) shirt with huge bell sleeves to go with suit — CHECK

A dark red corduroy suit, with stove pipe legs, a double breasted vest, rounded lapels that come WAY out toward the shoulders — CHECK

Blue Suede shoes with 5 inch wooden platform soles for above suit — CHECK

A “Curly Tight Perm” (and since my hair was baby fine, it didn’t last long) — CHECK

An AMC Gremlin — CHECK

Yet inspite of all of that going for me, I still had trouble getting laid. Go figure.

RBS

Got some damn comedians ‘round here tonight! Good ones too.

258 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:19:27pm

re: #253 ObserverArt

The Exorcist.

(Sorry if already mentioned…I’m rushing to catch up)

The Exorcist was quite a phenomenon; I remember reading later there were lines around the block for that one, and by any account, it was certainly a blockbuster. Adjusted for inflation, it grossed $576 million domestically in its first run, with over $2 billion in worldwide box-office gross.

That film sure got the Hollywood boys looking for the next big hit, which they found shortly thereafter in Jaws.

259 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:20:46pm

Not as good as yesterday’s, but here you go.

Youtube Video

OK, here’s yesterday’s, ICYMI:

Youtube Video

Still cracking me up….

Later, lizards.

260 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:22:31pm

’70s fashion? That was hysterical.

I was still wearing stuff from the 60s and going to school, well, until ‘75. Never was a fashionista anyway. I don’t think I was out of jeans until about 1977. I could even wear them to my legal job when I left school—they were civil rights lawyers and didn’t require that we dress up. We were too busy putting together class action suits with no computers…made our own spread sheets; had to visit companies and collect personnel info by hand, then go back to the office and compile everything.

One of the guys represented a coke dealer (he did a some criminal defense) and told us the guy asked him if he could pay his fee in product. My boss laughed at him. Coke was becoming quite popular then among a certain crowd.

261 Aunty Entity Dragon  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:23:39pm

re: #110 Gus

Man oh man I remember 8 track tapes! The *click* in the middle of a song you recorded which happened to run between one track to another…

262 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:24:19pm
263 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:25:51pm

re: #241 ObserverArt

They were pretty glaring fashions. Also, keep in mind, it was the first time guys started to get all dolled up and maybe even a bit fem as “the gays” were opening up and setting some trends, You had Robert Plant wearing basically frilly female tops (he was macho enough to do it), longer hair, so it was a big adjustment in fashion and it hadn’t weeded (there’s that reference again!) out. And on the female fashion side you had the influences from “women’s lib” and also disco with the big hair and the frilly dresses etc.

But, I swear, you can go back to any period 20 or mores years prior to whatever time period you are in and probably think what was/were I/they thinking.

Actually the 70’s are the only period in my lifetime when I look back at what I wore and think “what the hell was I thinking?”

264 ObserverArt  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:25:56pm

re: #261 Aunty Entity Dragon

Man oh man I remember 8 track tapes! The *click* in the middle of a song you recorded which happened to run between one track to another…

Do you remember seeing them along side the road with the loop or string of tape coming out of the container…smashed by traffic?

/ heh!

265 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:28:03pm

re: #247 Dark_Falcon

Actually they mostly don’t do that. But as the SPLC has made clear, when “Sovereign Citizens” feel severely harassed and threatened by “The State”, they can become explosive enough that their next contact with government authority is liable to see them lash out violently.

Scott Roeder, identified as a Sovereign Citizen adherent, gunned down Dr. George Tiller in the foyer of Tiller’s church.
A father/son Sovereign Citizen nutcase team killed two West Memphis Arkansas police officers in what the officers thought was a routine traffic stop.
Posse Comitatus freaks ambushed and killed 2 sheriff’s deputies in Louisiana in 2012 (Posse Comitatus and Sovereign Citizen overlap to a considerable degree).

Most of the nuts don’t shoot at police, true, but it is all too easy for them to start feeling threatened and harrassed with little or no provocation.

266 Aunty Entity Dragon  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:31:24pm

re: #240 Gus

It’s OK to be critical and even pissed off sometimes. Responding against the bad cops — while claiming to be anti-violence — with violence just doesn’t make sense. It’s a pretty long leap to go from being pissed off at some cop for a body cavity search and then applauding cop-killers. That type of leap is pretty close to criminal behavior itself. I don’t put up with the “fuck the cops” crowd. They’re a strange lot.

Yes. I have been a critic of police malfeasance for years. However, anarchy sucks. Like, really really sucks.

Police are a necessary part of modern society. We can and we must do a better job of making the police actually serve the public interest. As things look right now to me as an outsider watching unvarnished opinions from police officers at a police-only chat area, it increasingly looks like many officers see themselves as actual combat troops occupying a war zone, and they acquire “tacti-cool” black uniforms, helmets and military weaponry (including M113 APC’s with .50 cal M2 machineguns and cast off MRAP vehicles from Afghanistan) which strongly reinforces their separation from the very population they are supposed to be a part of.

This must end. The police are part of us and they work for us. We are not a defeated people that needs to be subjugated and disciplined. Good cops know that.

267 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:32:04pm

How could anyone forget “The Godfather”, “Blazing Saddles”, “Taxi Driver”, “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest”, “Chinatown”?

There were some damn great movies in the ’70s.

268 Aunty Entity Dragon  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:32:59pm

re: #267 Justanotherhuman

How could anyone forget “The Godfather”, “Blazing Saddles”, “Taxi Driver”, “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest”, “Chinatown”?

There were some damn great movies in the ’70s.

Forget it, Jake.

269 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:33:28pm
270 thedopefishlives  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:34:10pm

re: #266 Aunty Entity Dragon

The best cops are the ones that get out in the community, engage with people, and then when they pull someone over they go, “Wait, YOU’RE a cop?!”

271 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:34:27pm

re: #183 Dr Lizardo

The four films which really changed the way Hollywood makes - and markets - films all came out of the 70s.

Jaws.

Star Wars.

Superman.

Alien.

Those four films altered the Hollywood landscape and ushered in the era of the “event film”; the summer blockbuster, a pattern we still see almost four decades later.

BLAZING SADDLES.

272 jaunte  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:35:40pm
273 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:35:49pm

That’s too cute.

274 Stanley Sea  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:36:27pm

re: #266 Aunty Entity Dragon

Yes. I have been a critic of police malfeasance for years. However, anarchy sucks. Like, really really sucks.

Police are a necessary part of modern society. We can and we must do a better job of making the police actually serve the public interest. As things look right now to me as an outsider watching unvarnished opinions from police officers at a police-only chat area, it increasingly looks like many officers see themselves as actual combat troops occupying a war zone, and they acquire “tacti-cool” black uniforms, helmets and military weaponry (including M113 APC’s with .50 cal M2 machineguns and cast off MRAP vehicles from Afghanistan) which strongly reinforces their separation from the very population they are supposed to be a part of.

This must end. The police are part of us and they work for us. We are not a defeated people that needs to be subjugated and disciplined. Good cops know that.

Add in steroid abuse.

275 Aunty Entity Dragon  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:37:29pm

re: #269 Gus

OMG that was KYOOT!!!!

I had to share that on FB! :)

276 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:38:12pm

re: #275 Aunty Entity Dragon

OMG that was >KYOOT!!!!

I had to share that on FB! :)

Video here.

277 Ming  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:40:10pm

re: #77 Shiplord Kirel

1970s:
Watergate
Collapse in Vietnam
Leisure suits
Chevy Vega
Disco
Shag haircuts
Shag carpets
My first marriage

Yep, I didn’t think it was the end of the world, it only made me wish for the end of the world.

I still remember how ugly the Ford Pinto was.

And so much polyester, everywhere…

Still, I love the ‘70’s rock and roll.

278 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:40:57pm

More cute!

279 thedopefishlives  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:42:25pm

re: #277 Ming

I still remember how ugly the Ford Pinto was.

And so much polyester, everywhere…

Still, I love the 𠆇0’s rock and roll.

Wait, you remember the Ford Pinto? And you’re not a charred cinder?

280 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:42:33pm
281 Stanley Sea  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:42:43pm

re: #276 Gus

Video here.

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Puffy head chicken. ha

282 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:43:18pm

re: #189 Targetpractice

Jaws should have been the cautionary tale to the other listed franchises, that one sequel might work well, two if you stretched it, but anything over that was utter shite.

Talking movies from the 70’s. One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest is on my list of favorites.

283 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:43:36pm

re: #277 Ming

Early 70s music was great! After about 1975, fuggetaboutit. I almost stopped listening because of disco.

284 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:44:07pm

re: #266 Aunty Entity Dragon

Yes. I have been a critic of police malfeasance for years. However, anarchy sucks. Like, really really sucks.

Police are a necessary part of modern society. We can and we must do a better job of making the police actually serve the public interest. As things look right now to me as an outsider watching unvarnished opinions from police officers at a police-only chat area, it increasingly looks like many officers see themselves as actual combat troops occupying a war zone, and they acquire “tacti-cool” black uniforms, helmets and military weaponry (including M113 APC’s with .50 cal M2 machineguns and cast off MRAP vehicles from Afghanistan) which strongly reinforces their separation from the very population they are supposed to be a part of.

This must end. The police are part of us and they work for us. We are not a defeated people that needs to be subjugated and disciplined. Good cops know that.

Police departments are getting MRAPs because those have already been built and thus offer low acquisition costs for a proven design. The M113 I’ll agree is over the top, but I see that less as militarism and more as an agency which overindulged its gear geeks. Doing that at taxpayer expense isn’t cool.

The M2HB may be non-problematic, but that depends on where it is within the US. Along the Mexican border, I’m actually supportive of a major agency having an MG or two to be used for counter-ambush in case things with one of the cartels get really nasty.

285 Stanley Sea  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:46:45pm

The Exorcist……

My ex-Husband had a lot of great stories. One was the time his Mom and Aunt took him at age 10 with them to see the Exorcist. “I sat there with my hair blown back”

It probably damaged him!

286 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:47:29pm

re: #284 Dark_Falcon

Police departments are getting MRAPs because those have already been built and thus offer low acquisition costs for a proven design. The M113 I’ll agree is over the top, but I see that less as militarism and more as an agency which overindulged its gear geeks. Doing that at taxpayer expense isn’t cool.

The M2HB may be non-problematic, but that depends on where it is within the US. Along the Mexican border, I’m actually supportive of a major agency having an MG or two to be used for counter-ambush in case things with one of the cartels get really nasty.

Definitely did not like the quasi-militarization of the police that seemed to be going on in during the 2 Bush admins, after 9/11. And the treatment of some of the Occupy people (think what you will about their politics) in retrospect reminds me of what people in Ukraine are going through.

If the cops would concentrate on real crime and not hassling people who have done nothing wrong, it would easier for them to get more respect.

287 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:48:07pm

re: #285 Stanley Sea

The Exorcist……

My ex-Husband had a lot of great stories. One was the time his Mom and Aunt took him at age 10 with them to see the Exorcist. “I sat there with my hair blown back”

It probably damaged him!

I’ve actually seen the famous stairs many a time. Probably would even more if Georgestown was still the place to be.

288 Stanley Sea  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:49:15pm

re: #286 Justanotherhuman

Definitely did not like the quasi-militarization of the police that seemed to be going on in during the 2 Bush admins, after 9/11. And the treatment of some of the Occupy people (think what you will about their politics) in retrospect reminds me of what people in Ukraine are going through.

If the cops would concentrate on real crime and not hassling people who have done nothing wrong, it would easier for them to get more respect.

And then you have freaks like Arpaio getting this equipment. Enough military envy that fucking Steven Segal wants to join up.

And they’re afraid of Pres. Obama.

289 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:50:03pm

BUT NEVER FORGET ONLY TEH USA SPIES ON PEOPLE!!!11!!!!

290 ObserverArt  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:51:39pm

I’m going to go out on a limb and defend the Pinto a bit. Yes, they did have some gas tank fires but so have other vehicles…like many a pickup truck. But as far as a car that would last, and run, even as a rusty hulk a decade later, they had it all over some of the other crappy cars in their price/size range. In the 80s, and even on into the 90s you could see some Pintos still smoking about. Where were those Vegas, Chevettes, Gremlins? They did major deaths sometimes at 70,000 miles or earlier.

I had a buddy that had an old pinto, and I had to borrow it a few times. Little sucker always ran.

And now that I think about it, I wonder how many fires versus number of vehicles on the road really occurred with the Pinto? I’ll have to see if there are numbers and how they hold with some other vehicles.

291 Ming  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:51:46pm

re: #79 Dr Lizardo

70’s ATTACK!!

Image: 3a5659cbc74c075a_unsung.jpg

Image: bizarre-fashion-of-the-1970s-25-pics_1.jpg

Image: mannermode-monstrositaten-5.jpg

Image: bizarre-fashion-of-the-1970s-25-pics_18.jpg

Image: 77-6.jpg

Image: maternity.jpg

I seem to recall that we started to import lots of inexpensive silk from China in the 80’s. Maybe that’s what turned the 70’s fashion meltdown around.

292 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:54:31pm

re: #286 Justanotherhuman

Definitely did not like the quasi-militarization of the police that seemed to be going on in during the 2 Bush admins, after 9/11. And the treatment of some of the Occupy people (think what you will about their politics) in retrospect reminds me of what people in Ukraine are going through.

If the cops would concentrate on real crime and not hassling people who have done nothing wrong, it would easier for them to get more respect.

The NYPD was both more effective and less brutal than the Ukrainian Bakrut. Better tactics coupled with the fact that Occupy Wall Street wasn’t organized or equipped to fight the police.

It’s not really worth comparing OWS to Euromaidan. The former had far lower stakes and much less cohesion than the latter.

293 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:55:54pm

re: #279 thedopefishlives

Wait, you remember the Ford Pinto? And you’re not a charred cinder?

Why yes I do. The first car equipped with flame injection.

294 compound_Idaho  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:56:20pm

re: #290 ObserverArt

I put over 300,000 on a ‘77 VW Rabbit. To be precise, I put over 200,000 on it. The previous owner put the first 100,000 on.

295 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:56:45pm

ICYMI. Colonel Meow died. So I made this because I’m weird. :D

296 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 6:59:11pm

re: #289 Pie-onist Overlord

BUT NEVER FORGET ONLY TEH USA SPIES ON PEOPLE!!!11!!!!

[Embedded content]

Looks like it was legal—it was metadata.

“CSEC said in a written statement to CBC News that it is “mandated to collect foreign signals intelligence to protect Canada and Canadians. And in order to fulfill that key foreign intelligence role for the country, CSEC is legally authorized to collect and analyze metadata.”

“Metadata reveals a trove of information including, for example, the location and telephone numbers of all calls a person makes and receives — but not the content of the call, which would legally be considered a private communication and cannot be intercepted without a warrant.

“No Canadian communications were (or are) targeted, collected or used,” the agency says.”

They did it for 2 weeks, at an airport, so they were probably on the trail of someone in their sights.

Gah, all these “experts” and others second-guessing these lawful operations. I don’t think most of them even understand the law or what those agencies actually do and how they are restricted. Some “cyber-security expert” that no one seems to know anything about makes a statement out of his ass and the CBC believes him?

297 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:02:27pm

re: #292 Dark_Falcon

There were far more locations than just NYC; I followed “Occupy” as closely as I’m following Euromaidan, and of course they’re not the same. But—many in that movement were treated quite badly by the police for exercising their First Amendment rights and gathering in public to make their statements.

298 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:03:25pm
299 ObserverArt  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:04:12pm

re: #294 compound_Idaho

I put over 300,000 on a ‘77 VW Rabbit. To be precise, I put over 200,000 on it. The previous owner put the first 100,000 on.

I was going to mention the Rabbits. But then, they really were a much better car than the small American cars of the time. Same can be said with some of the Japanese cars. Like the little Toyota Corolla’s of the time. They would rust, but you couldn’t kill one of those little sewing machine motors in them Just keep oil in the VW and Toyota. Which is just the opposite of trying to keep the oil in an America car, especially those early Vegas. Uggh.

300 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:05:37pm

re: #108 Gus

[Embedded image]

Bean bag chairs … I was in college in the mid-’70s. The dean of student affairs, who was one of those late-30-somethings who tried hard to be cool, had bean bag chairs in her office, so that students visiting her would feel more at ease, or something. Mostly we all thought it was stupid.

301 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:06:56pm

re: #298 Gus

[Embedded content]

Hahahahaha! “Why would you want to live here shitty.”

Gawd, hysterical. “Partly Shitty.” in BC. Isn’t it always partly shitty in BC?

302 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:07:58pm

re: #292 Dark_Falcon

The NYPD was both more effective and less brutal than the Ukrainian Bakrut. Better tactics coupled with the fact that Occupy Wall Street wasn’t organized or equipped to fight the police.

It’s not really worth comparing OWS to Euromaidan. The former had far lower stakes and much less cohesion than the latter.

That said, it remains a fact that police seriously do not like large protests. The following t-shirt was sold at the gift shop of the NBC Tower during the run-up to the 2012 NATO Summit in Chicago. It was very popular with law enforcement, with the 2nd production batch being prepurchased in its entirety by a Chicago police organization.

Protestors unwelcome.

It wasn’t just the CPD either, as the Federal Protective Service personnel assigned to Chicago for the event bought a number of them as well.

303 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:08:53pm

re: #253 ObserverArt

The Exorcist.

(Sorry if already mentioned…I’m rushing to catch up)

My parents took me and my older sister to see that one when it came out. I was like 12 and it was the freakiest thing I had seen in my life. I loved it.

304 klys  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:09:03pm

re: #301 Justanotherhuman

Hahahahaha! “Why would you want to live here shitty.”

Gawd, hysterical. “Partly Shitty.” in BC. Isn’t it always partly shitty in BC?

Oh, British Columbia is gorgeous.*

We are seriously considering trying to retire near Vancouver. Hits most of our major desired criteria.

*Your mileage, of course, may vary.

305 Weet  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:09:12pm
306 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:09:12pm

Winchester is recalling some of its 22LR ammunition. Seems some of the rounds are double-charged, which could rupture the chamber and barrel when they are fired. This could have dire consequences for the hapless shooter.
22LR ammunition is still in very short supply, even after supplies of other calibers have mostly stabilized. The lowest price at Cheaper Than Dirt is about 18 cents a round, 3 times what it was 2 years ago and not a lot less than their lowest priced 5.56 or 7.62x39. I’ve noticed a lot of .22LR guns on sale now. With ammo for them so expensive they have lost their primary advantage over more powerful calibers and the guns themselves are priced accordingly.

307 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:10:47pm
308 klys  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:11:48pm

re: #307 Gus

[Embedded content]

But the right wing isn’t racist!

///

309 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:13:04pm

re: #305 Weet

[Embedded content]

They managed to find a Stepford Wive to give the rebuttal speech for the GOP, further demonstrating the sort of woman who the GOP idolizes: So thankful for everything the government has done to help her and her family that she wants to deny the same to others.

310 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:13:11pm

re: #181 Targetpractice

I can’t even really think of what movie was the first I saw in theaters. Earliest one I can say for certain I remember going to see was Star Trek VI.

Mary Poppins, a double feature with some other kid’s movie with the word “Angels” in it. (Not Charley’s — way before Charley’s Angels!)

311 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:18:24pm

312 Weet  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:23:13pm
313 chadu  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:25:37pm

re: #310 wheat-dogghazi

Mary Poppins, a double feature with some other kid’s movie with the word “Angels” in it. (Not Charley’s — way before Charley’s Angels!)

Angels with Dirty Faces?

314 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:26:12pm

Time for some muck raking.

315 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:26:19pm

Paged.

316 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:27:39pm

Fire in the hole!

317 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:28:34pm

re: #313 chadu

Angels with Dirty Faces?

You’re pulling my leg, right? That was made in 1938. I ain’t that old, and Julie Andrews was 3 at the time.

318 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:29:55pm

Gotcha!

319 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:34:23pm
320 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:34:23pm

re: #310 wheat-dogghazi

Mary Poppins, a double feature with some other kid’s movie with the word “Angels” in it. (Not Charley’s — way before Charley’s Angels!)

Angels in the Outfield? That’s the only kids movie I remember with Angels in the title. Or rather the only one I ever actually watched as a kid.

321 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:35:32pm

You can see that it’s a verified account too. I checked it. Obviously. Just had a hunch. :D

322 BongCrodny  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:35:35pm

re: #317 wheat-dogghazi

You’re pulling my leg, right? That was made in 1938. I ain’t that old, and Julie Andrews was 3 at the time.

My guess would be Where Angels Go, Trouble Follows

Where Angels Go, Trouble Follows

323 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:37:18pm

The odometer is turning.

324 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:41:12pm

“It’s a librul plant” in 5…4…3…2….

325 Ming  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:43:09pm

re: #302 Dark_Falcon

That said, it remains a fact that police seriously do not like large protests…

That may be due in part to the disastrous World Trade Organization protests in Seattle, I think in 1999. I recently read about them. Seems that the Seattle Police had the best of intentions, but turned out to be badly understaffed, given the sheer number of protesters. Apparently they had a hellacious week out there; there was even concern about the security of the hotel where many in the Clinton Administration were staying.

326 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:44:20pm

Added the clean screen shot so whomever can see I’m not screwing around, cutting and pasting.

327 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:49:28pm

Hey guys, just want to give a quick shout out to all my fellow hub hunting lizards today, nothing sucks more than the grind of being out work, and having no idea if the skills you have are even up to the task of finding you another job. Or hell the worst catch 22 of when it seems like you do not have enough experience to get a job and thus gain more experience.

Had a phone interview today that went well (guy on other end even confirmed so) the commute would be more of a trip than my old one but I would probably be making a lot more money so it sort of evens out.

Hope everyone else in a similar state of employment has had some kind of good luck recently!

328 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:51:04pm

re: #322 BongCrodny

My guess would be Where Angels Go, Trouble Follows

Where Angels Go, Trouble Follows

Nope. Mary Poppins came out in ‘64. Where Angels, Go, Trouble Follows is from ‘68. It was a sequel to The Trouble with Angels (1966), which I also recall seeing. I wonder if my memory banks are playing tricks with me. I’ve been googling 1964 movies, and can’t find any likely ones with “angel” or “angels” in the title.

The double feature with Poppins I saw was something about cute, but troublesome kids getting in big trouble, but then everyone finds out they’re really “misunderstood good kids.” It was a pretty generic movie, and I don’t remember anything else about it.

329 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:52:24pm

re: #320 Targetpractice

Angels in the Outfield? That’s the only kids movie I remember with Angels in the title. Or rather the only one I ever actually watched as a kid.

Which one? The 1951 version, or the 1994 remake?
/

330 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:54:30pm
331 Stanley Sea  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:55:14pm

re: #327 jamesfirecat

Hang in there James. It will work out, it always does. Trust this old sage.

332 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:55:31pm

Now on the Alan Colmes show! OK, not the show. Just his website. Bet I’m making a whole bunch of wingnuts butthurt!

333 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:56:17pm

re: #332 Gus

Now on the Alan Colmes show! OK, not the show. Just his website. Bet I’m making a whole bunch of wingnuts butthurt!

Good.

334 makeitstop  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:57:11pm

re: #330 Gus

Oops. //

No hat tip? Boo!

335 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:57:43pm

re: #334 makeitstop

No hat tip? Boo!

He linked.

336 makeitstop  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:58:36pm

re: #335 Gus

He linked.

I know. Always kinda cool to see you mentioned by name, though.

337 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:58:49pm

I visit Alan.com for the side boob stories…..

//

338 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:01:11pm

There’s a new type of 9mm ammo raising some controversy:

Insightful or insidious? G2 Research’s toothy new RIP ammo (VIDEO)

Youtube Video

Introducing the G2 Research RIP, the Radically Invasive Projectile. It’s a new take on self-defense ammunition designed to penetrate and fragment even through layers, dumping it’s energy quickly into the target, with the end goal of maximizing the “stopping power” of the standard 9mm cartridge.

Designed for the commercial market and law enforcement use, each RIP bullet is precision-machined from solid copper, using a completely unique design with eight pointed tines — trocar tips — that shear off after hitting their target.

After separation the tines travel in a semi-circle, maximizing the chance that they strike something vital.

And while the separated sharp tines go in all directions, the base of the bullet continues to penetrate in a straight line, achieving a very respectable 14- to 17- inch penetration range. The FBI recommends a minimum of 12 and a maximum of 18 inches of penetration for law enforcement duty ammunition.

I’d not use this round. It uses no lead, and that’s good, but its being marketed as the best round for killing people. Using such ammo for self-defense would create a serious legal risk, as a skilled prosecutor would likely claim its use was proof of a “Rambo Mentality”. And I’m not the only one who finds that kind of marketing distasteful.

Glenn Beck’s crowd at The Blaze seems to love it, though. What do you folks think?

339 BongCrodny  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:01:57pm

re: #328 wheat-dogghazi

Nope. Mary Poppins came out in ‘64. Where Angels, Go, Trouble Follows is from ‘68. It was a sequel to The Trouble with Angels (1966), which I also recall seeing. I wonder if my memory banks are playing tricks with me. I’ve been googling 1964 movies, and can’t find any likely ones with “angel” or “angels” in the title.

The double feature with Poppins I saw was something about cute, but troublesome kids getting in big trouble, but then everyone finds out they’re really “misunderstood good kids.” It was a pretty generic movie, and I don’t remember anything else about it.

*Sounds* like you’re describing “The Trouble With Angels” to a T:

The movie is set at St. Francis Academy (also the name of the school in Sister Act 2), a fictional all-girls Catholic boarding school in Pennsylvania, operated by an order of nuns. Russell plays the Mother Superior, who spends the movie at odds with Mary Clancy (Hayley Mills), a rebellious teenager, and her misery-loves-company friend Rachel Devery (June Harding). The episodic storyline follows the young women through their sophomore, junior and senior high-school years. After spending much of the film resenting the authority of the Mother Superior, Mary receives the “call” senior year and, after graduation, remains at the school in the novitiate of the order.

340 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:04:47pm

Booyah! 10-0 in the B10!

341 b_sharp  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:05:11pm

re: #320 Targetpractice

Angels in the Outfield? That’s the only kids movie I remember with Angels in the title. Or rather the only one I ever actually watched as a kid.

Try ‘We’re No Angels’, the 1955 version.

342 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:05:44pm

Evening lizards!

I saw you guys talking about the 80s. I was all jeans and t-shirts back then. I do however remember the horror of flipping on MTV and seeing stuff like this…

343 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:08:52pm

344 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:09:01pm

re: #342 NJDhockeyfan

Evening lizards!

I saw you guys talking about the 80s. I was all jeans and t-shirts back then. I do however remember the horror of flipping on MTV and seeing stuff like this…

[Embedded image]

Gus had a photo for you.

345 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:09:17pm

re: #339 BongCrodny

*Sounds* like you’re describing “The Trouble With Angels” to a T:

I think you’re right, unless I’ve totally forgotten the other half of the double feature. I am pretty sure my folks took me to see Mary Poppins in 1964. I’d have been 8 at the time. If MP had been playing as a double feature with The Trouble with Angels, I would have been 10, and maybe too old for Mary Poppins (?).

Thinking about it, we went to the drive-in, not the theater. We had to go twice. Dad drove the VW bus the first time, and the people at the gate said vans weren’t allowed. So we had to drive back home (30 minutes round trip) and get the sedan. So, it’s quite likely that Mary Poppins would have been in the drive-in in ‘66.

Now I’m wondering what movie I saw in the theater before then. Coming up blank.

Moar coffee …

346 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:09:36pm

re: #340 Dr. Matt

[Embedded image]

Booyah! 10-0 in the B10!

[grumble]

347 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:11:51pm

re: #340 Dr. Matt

[Embedded image]

Booyah! 10-0 in the B10!

My son’s a Boilermaker. I am not pleased.

348 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:11:57pm

re: #344 Dark_Falcon

Gus had a photo for you.

Ha ha ha! A friend of mine was never interested in hockey until we watched Slap Shot one night. He spent the following weekend watching all kinds of Hanson brothers videos. Tomorrow we are going to the Devils/Pred game.

349 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:17:53pm

re: #338 Dark_Falcon

There’s a new type of 9mm ammo raising some controversy:

Insightful or insidious? G2 Research’s toothy new RIP ammo (VIDEO)

[Embedded content]

, though. What do you folks think?

You are aware of this, of course, but for the benefit of others, it is against international law to use expanding bullets like this in war. It is a war crime in fact. That is why it is being marketed for “police and commercial” use. I really see it as part of an increasing obsession with the killing power of handguns. It is not a healthy or decent thing to be doing.
Btw, this is the actual .45 FMJ (full metal jacket) bullet that went through my leg 32 years ago and whose effects I still feel from time to time. If this isn’t enough lethality for someone, they need to re-evaluate their intentions and their skills:

350 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:23:59pm

re: #349 Shiplord Kirel

You are aware of this, of course, but for the benefit of others, it is against international law to use expanding bullets like this in war. It is a war crime in fact. That is why it is being marketed for “police and commercial” use. I really see it as part of an increasing obsession with the killing power of handguns. It is not a healthy or decent thing to be doing.
Btw, this is the actual .45 FMJ (full metal jacket) bullet that went through my leg 32 years ago and whose effects I still feel from time to time. If this isn’t enough lethality for someone, they need to re-evaluate their intentions and their skills:
[Embedded image]

The Hague Convention of 1899 did indeed outlaw the use of such ammo in war but it said nothing about non-military use of such ammo.

And while the 210-grain .45 ACP FMJ projectile you were hit with is indeed a powerful and deadly round, there are arguments favoring the RIP over it, those being that the lighter 9mm round produces less recoil and is both more comfortable to shoot and more controllable, and that the RIP (being entirely made of copper) does far less environmental damage than a lead round.

351 klys  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:28:26pm

re: #350 Dark_Falcon

The Hague Convention of 1899 did indeed outlaw the use of such ammo in war but it said nothing about non-military use of such ammo.

And while the 210-grain .45 ACP FMJ projectile you were hit with is indeed a powerful and deadly round, there are arguments favoring the RIP over it, those being that the lighter 9mm round produces less recoil and is both more comfortable to shoot and more controllable, and that the RIP (being entirely made of copper) does far less environmental damage than a lead round.

That a bullet is touted as an improvement because it causes less environmental damage …oh, irony.

352 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:44:07pm

re: #351 klys

That a bullet is touted as an improvement because it causes less environmental damage …oh, irony.

I rather like that aspect, given how environmentalists in California harped about the dangers of lead ammo. In that way copper ammo may be thought of as saying to those enviros “Be careful what you wish for, you might not like how you end up receiving it.”

But I do still find the way the ammo has been advertised to be tasteless and lacking good judgement.

353 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 10:05:19pm

re: #43 SpaceJesus

BTW I want to know where SW NM is finding these officers.

Maricopa castoffs?

354 leftynyc  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:01:13am

re: #328 wheat-dogghazi

Nope. Mary Poppins came out in ‘64. Where Angels, Go, Trouble Follows is from ‘68. It was a sequel to The Trouble with Angels (1966), which I also recall seeing. I wonder if my memory banks are playing tricks with me. I’ve been googling 1964 movies, and can’t find any likely ones with “angel” or “angels” in the title.

The double feature with Poppins I saw was something about cute, but troublesome kids getting in big trouble, but then everyone finds out they’re really “misunderstood good kids.” It was a pretty generic movie, and I don’t remember anything else about it.

Trouble with Angels? With Rosalind Russell - she played a Mother Superior. Funny movie.


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