Revealed: Senator Ted Cruz Follows Twitter Account w/Pres. Obama in Hangman’s Noose Avi

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Update: Added clean un-composited screen shot.

Update 2: Added second Sen. Cruz account screen shot. All told, @_Molon_Labe_ is followed by @tedcruz, @TeamTedCruz and @SenTedCruz.

Update 3: Added threatening Tweets from person of interest.

Update - February 1, 2014:

Latest review reveals that all three Ted Cruz accounts ( @tedcruz, @TeamTedCruz and @SenTedCruz) are no longer following @_Molon_Labe_ .

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496 comments

1 Blue Fielder  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:27:54pm

What’s the address to report things to the Secret Service?

2 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 7:28:50pm

re: #1 Blue Fielder

What’s the address to report things to the Secret Service?

@SecretService

3 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:12:48pm

Cruzzy you got some splainin’ to do!

4 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:13:24pm

MELON LABEL!

5 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:14:17pm

Didn’t someone here post some of this guy’s tweets a few days ago? Was that you, Gus? He’s a real piece of work, that one. Teodoro Cruz needs to more careful in who he associates with on Twitter.

6 nines09  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:15:00pm

Well he’s just following. No harm there. Just curious about that I guess. Perfectly normal for an elected official to follow a twitter jerkoff with a lynched President Of The United States as his avi/logo/hate/racist/bigot personage. Perfectly normal. To a racist bastard.

7 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:15:49pm

re: #5 wheat-dogghazi

Didn’t someone here post some of this guy’s tweets a few days ago? Was that you, Gus? He’s a real piece of work, that one. Teodoro Cruz needs to more careful in who he associates with on Twitter.

Maybe Alouette? I might have mentioned his avi.

8 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:18:37pm

That’s fucked up. Does he run that account by himself or does he have someone else run it?

9 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:21:44pm

re: #6 nines09

You know, I follow people like Sarah Palin and Prudence, for the shits and giggles, and much more rational people, like George Takei and fellow LGF people. But I’m not a public figure. Cruz is a public figure, and has sworn to uphold the Constitution, which does not have any clauses about hanging presidents because you don’t like them.

Cruz will offer some non-pology soon, and probably invoke his First Amendment rights, etc, etc., sidestepping the whole issue of apparently condoning the likes of this Twitter revolutionary.

10 nines09  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:25:26pm

re: #9 wheat-dogghazi

You know, I follow people like Sarah Palin and Prudence, for the shits and giggles, and much more rational people, like George Takei and fellow LGF people. But I’m not a public figure. Cruz is a public figure, and has sworn to uphold the Constitution, which does not have any clauses about hanging presidents because you don’t like them.

Cruz will offer some non-pology soon, and probably invoke his First Amendment rights, etc, etc., sidestepping the whole issue of apparently condoning the likes of this Twitter revolutionary.

Doesn’t change a thing for me. I don’t think he’s following this strap because he’s “curious” or shits and giggles. I’d bet money he likes it. And as far as him doing it or a staffer means shit to me also.

11 BongCrodny  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:27:27pm

If you go to that guy’s Twitter account, the image with Obama in the noose is *everywhere.* Assuming it really is Senator Cruz following this guy and not a staff member, that means he’s likely seen that image dozens of times.

Echoing NJD above: that’s fucked up.

12 CriticalDragon1177  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:27:45pm

Gus,

The only possible defense I can come up with, is maybe the user had a different avatar when Cruz first followed him, and Cruz didn’t pay close attention after that.

13 darthstar  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:28:15pm

This is a great takedown of the latest Snowden scoop.

14 nines09  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:30:18pm

re: #12 CriticalDragon1177

Gus,

The only possible defense I can come up with, is maybe the user had a different avatar when Cruz first followed him, and Cruz didn’t pay close attention after that.

He’ll use the Christie defense. He wasn’t in the office. It was a staffer. It was mice. The wind.
Good night Lizards.

15 Dazed  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:31:01pm

Yep,Teddy Cruz will prob blame it on a staffer..

16 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:31:58pm

re: #12 CriticalDragon1177

Gus,

The only possible defense I can come up with, is maybe the user had a different avatar when Cruz first followed him, and Cruz didn’t pay close attention after that.

Yes. I’m sure they would give Democrats the benefit of the doubt as well. //

17 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:34:32pm

You know I think if I ever go into politics I’m going to have two separate twitter accounts: One official business account run by me or my staff and one personal account run by ME ONLY. I’ll also be very clear about which is which so if shenanigans happen, it’ll be obvious where the blame falls.

But I’m logical like that.

18 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:37:09pm

re: #12 CriticalDragon1177

Gus,

The only possible defense I can come up with, is maybe the user had a different avatar when Cruz first followed him, and Cruz didn’t pay close attention after that.

Or a whoever runs the account did it.

19 BongCrodny  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:40:22pm

It looks like the name below Senator Cruz’s in Gus’s photo is “Team Cruz.”

Does that mean Cruz is less likely to be personally following him, or that there are multiple people from Cruz’s office following him?

20 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:42:31pm

re: #19 BongCrodny

It looks like the name below Senator Cruz’s in Gus’s photo is “Team Cruz.”

Does that mean Cruz is less likely to be personally following him, or that there are multiple people from Cruz’s office following him?

Hmm, I didn’t pay much attention to that. Thanks. Not many followers or Twitter activity.

21 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:44:53pm

re: #19 BongCrodny

It looks like the name below Senator Cruz’s in Gus’s photo is “Team Cruz.”

Does that mean Cruz is less likely to be personally following him, or that there are multiple people from Cruz’s office following him?

Matt Barber also follows this guy. I ignored that one.

22 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:45:02pm

re: #19 BongCrodny

It looks like the name below Senator Cruz’s in Gus’s photo is “Team Cruz.”

Does that mean Cruz is less likely to be personally following him, or that there are multiple people from Cruz’s office following him?

Probably. I think most if not all of these politicians have other people running all their social networking sites.

23 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:45:28pm

re: #20 Gus

Hmm, I didn’t pay much attention to that. Thanks. Not many followers or Twitter activity.

FALSE FLAG!!1

24 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:50:47pm

Classy!

25 RadicalModerate  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:50:50pm

Here’s the “original” image that his Twitter icon is taken from - not surprisingly it originated (or at least gained its main popularity) on white supremacist websites.

Image: barack-obama-needs-a-rope-wtf-obama.jpg

26 Lidane  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:01:36pm

re: #8 NJDhockeyfan

That’s fucked up. Does he run that account by himself or does he have someone else run it?

Who cares? It’s Social Media 101 — if you’re a public figure, all your follows are going to be scrutinized. Whoever runs that account should know better.

27 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:02:40pm

Guess Ted Cruz has to keep up with his base. //

28 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:03:09pm

Another follower:

@AHMalcolm

29 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:03:24pm
30 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:03:54pm

re: #26 Lidane

Who cares? It’s Social Media 101 — if you’re a public figure, all your follows are going to be scrutinized. Whoever runs that account should know better.

We know how it goes, doesn’t matter if the account is personally maintained by Cruz, he’ll proceed to blame and fire a staffer. The variable is whether he’ll first try to weasel out of it or if he’ll just try to ignore it and hope it doesn’t gain traction.

31 BongCrodny  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:04:34pm

Here’s another interesting tidbit from Gus’s screen grab.

If you look at the account below “Team Cruz,” it says “The Three Percenters.”

Check out what the Anti-Defamation League has to say about The Three Percenters:

Oathkeepers and Three %ers Part of Growing Anti-Government Movement

Formed in March 2009 and led by Stewart Rhodes, a Nevada lawyer, the Oath Keepers encourage members of the military and law enforcement to pledge not to follow certain hypothetical “orders” from the federal government. These “orders,” including one “to put American citizens in detention camps,” and another “to disarm the American people,” echo longstanding conspiracy theories embraced by anti-government extremists, who claim that the U.S. government is creating a police state. The Oath Keepers try to appeal to military and law enforcement personnel by reminding them that they swore an oath to defend the Constitution “from all enemies, foreign and domestic,” and suggesting that now is the time to live up to that oath by resisting an allegedly tyrannical government.

and…

It is clear that these anti-government extremist groups are trying both to exploit and to fan the anti-government sentiment that has grown over President Obama’s first year in office, as well as to support each other’s efforts. Rhodes has written supportively of the Three Percenters, while at least two participants carried the Three Percenter flag at an Oath Keepers event at the Vietnam War Memorial in Washington, D.C., on September 12, 2009. That event was staged on the same day that an anti-government Tea Party rally in the city attracted tens of thousands of people, the largest to date of the protests held against the government and Obama since he took office.

Not very pretty.

32 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:05:08pm
33 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:05:53pm

re: #26 Lidane

Who cares? It’s Social Media 101 — if you’re a public figure, all your follows are going to be scrutinized. Whoever runs that account should know better.

This isn’t the first time a politician had problems with their social media acct and won’t be the last. The President had some similar problems with his twitter account last year. He had nothing to do with it of course, it was obviously the group that runs the account. Shit happens.

34 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:08:38pm
35 BongCrodny  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:10:26pm

re: #32 Gus

@SenTedCruz

Hmm.

I don’t twitter, so I have no idea what I’m talking about, but the Images and account names (@tedcruz and @SenTedCruz) are different. Does that mean anything?

36 TedStriker  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:13:14pm

re: #35 BongCrodny

Hmm.

I don’t twitter, so I have no idea what I’m talking about, but the Images and account names (@tedcruz and @SenTedCruz)are different. Does that mean anything?

@tedcruz appears to be his personal account, @SenTedCruz appears to be his “official” Senate account, and @TeamTedCruz appears to be his campaign org’s account.

37 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:15:31pm

re: #36 AlexRogan

@tedcruz appears to be his personal account, @SenTedCruz appears to be his “official” Senate account, and @TeamTedCruz appears to be his campaign org’s account.

Thanks. Now I don’t have to answer. :D

38 TedStriker  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:18:41pm

re: #36 AlexRogan

BTW, just something I noticed:

The @tedcruz and @teamtedcruz accounts were both following this moron’s account as of when Gus got the screenshot, but not the @SenTedCruz account.

I wonder why that is? ///

39 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:19:40pm

re: #38 AlexRogan

BTW, just something I noticed:

The @tedcruz and @teamtedcruz accounts were both following this moron’s account as of when Gus got the screenshot, but not the @SenTedCruz account.

I wonder why that is? ///

Oh, I just noticed that after I made this page.

40 CriticalDragon1177  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:21:20pm

re: #16 Gus

Yes. I’m sure they would give Democrats the benefit of the doubt as well. //

Yes in a parallel universe!

41 BongCrodny  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:21:21pm

re: #38 AlexRogan

BTW, just something I noticed:

The @tedcruz and @teamtedcruz accounts were both following this moron’s account as of when Gus got the screenshot, but not the @SenTedCruz account.

I wonder why that is? ///

Plausible deniability?

42 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:23:18pm

Night Lizards, Been a interesting couple of days. See you tomorrow, maybe. I do have (shocka) a day job you know.

43 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:23:20pm

I can accept that shit happens.
It’s just, this shit seems to consistently happen with right wingers.
Why?
/Rhetorical

44 blueraven  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:23:52pm

I am sure somebody else is managing the follows on his personal twitter account. //

45 TedStriker  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:24:42pm

re: #41 BongCrodny

Plausible deniability?

Some poor Cruz staffer’s about to get canned, just as soon as ol’ Ted throws them under the bus.

46 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:26:09pm

So we’ve got three Cruz accounts looking at this account. In addition to PJTV and AHMalcolm as well as others. No deniability here.

47 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:27:09pm
48 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:27:22pm
49 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:27:29pm
50 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:28:07pm
51 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:29:10pm

re: #46 Gus

So we’ve got three Cruz accounts looking at this account. In addition to PJTV and AHMalcolm as well as others. No deniability here.

Plausible deniability is outta here!

52 allegro  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:29:31pm

He seems nice O_o

53 Mattand  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:30:53pm

re: #45 AlexRogan

Some poor Cruz staffer’s about to get canned, just as soon as ol’ Ted throws them under the bus.

If they work for Cruz, I have zero sympathy for them.

54 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:31:48pm

You see that? “1 shot is all it will take.”

55 CriticalDragon1177  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:31:52pm

re: #47 Gus

re: #48 Gus

re: #49 Gus

re: #50 Gus

Wow, and he’s a conspiratorial Obama is a “communist dictator” birther loon as well. Why should any of us be surprised

56 TedStriker  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:32:23pm

@DLoesch follows this shithead too…no surprise there.

57 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:32:56pm

re: #52 allegro

He seems nice O_o

He’s got some anger management issues, for sure. But somehow I have a mental image of a guy who’s out of work, middle-aged, and very bitter about his lot in life. He’s got no other outlet for his hatred, other than posting shit on Twitter. It’s gotten him attention, and he probably revels in it.

58 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:33:23pm

re: #50 Gus

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This is the ilk they’ve been pandering to since ‘08.
They bring it on themselves.
Morons.

59 Mattand  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:34:45pm

So has anyone forwarded this to Maddow or Jon Stewart yet?

60 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:35:39pm

re: #59 Mattand

So has anyone forwarded this to Maddow or Jon Stewart yet?

I Tweeted to MaddowBlog.

61 RadicalModerate  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:35:47pm

re: #38 AlexRogan

BTW, just something I noticed:

The @tedcruz and @teamtedcruz accounts were both following this moron’s account as of when Gus got the screenshot, but not the @SenTedCruz account.

I wonder why that is? ///

I’m guessing because he has Senate staffers in charge of maintaining his official US Senate account.
From what I can tell, the @tedcruz account is the one formed for his Senatorial campaign. It is still a very active account, with several tweets going out every day.

Also, if anyone doubts the validity of the claims that he isn’t following the “Americana” nutcase… have a screenshot.TedCruz Twitter follows

62 allegro  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:35:59pm

re: #57 wheat-dogghazi

He’s got some anger management issues, for sure. But somehow I have a mental image of a guy who’s out of work, middle-aged, and very bitter about his lot in life. He’s got no other outlet for his hatred, other than posting shit on Twitter. It’s gotten him attention, and he probably revels in it.

You’re actually a much kinder person than I with that description.

63 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:36:55pm

re: #61 RadicalModerate

Here’s a screengrab from Ted Cruz’s follows, in case someone doubts the validity of the original claim.

I’m guessing because he has Senate staffers in charge of maintaining his official US Senate account.
From what I can tell, the @tedcruz account is the one formed for his Senatorial campaign. It is still a very active account, with several tweets going out every day.

Also, if anyone doubts the validity of the claims that he isn’t following the “Americana” nutcase… have a screenshot.TedCruz Twitter follows

Thanks!

64 Mattand  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:38:43pm

re: #60 Gus

I Tweeted to MaddoaBlog.

The problem is that if Maddow reports on this, Phil Griffin will immediately apologize to Cruz and fire her.

65 TedStriker  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:40:40pm

re: #46 Gus

So we’ve got three Cruz accounts looking at this account. In addition to PJTV and AHMalcolm as well as others. No deniability here.

No, Cruz and his people have three accounts, but I’ve only saw two of them following this loser (the @tedcruz and @teamtedcruz accounts, not his Senate one).

However, the most interesting thing I noticed is that @tedcruz is a verified account, which means that he had to certify to Twitter that he’s the real deal; whether or not he has his staff touch that account too is irrelevant to me, the fact is that it’s his name on the dotted line.

66 Lidane  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:40:46pm
67 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:41:33pm

re: #62 allegro

You’re actually a much kinder person than I with that description.

I pity this guy, more than I hate him. Of course, my armchair psychoanalysis could be way wrong. He could be a public official in Huntington Beach, for all I know, with a private arsenal and a hard drive full of kiddie porn. Then, I’d have no pity.

No matter what, I hope the Secret Service pays this putz a visit.

68 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:42:34pm
69 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:42:40pm

re: #65 AlexRogan

No, Cruz and his people have three accounts, but I’ve only saw two of them following this loser (the @tedcruz and @teamtedcruz accounts, not his Senate one).

However, the most interesting thing I noticed is that @tedcruz is a verified account, which means that he had to certify to Twitter that he’s the real deal; whether or not he has his staff touch that account too is irrelevant to me, the fact is that it’s his name on the dotted line.

I’ve got a screen shot above showing SenTedCruz as a follower. Also see #61.

70 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:44:24pm

re: #66 Lidane

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Ladies and gentlemen, the end result of abstinence-only sex education.

71 allegro  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:45:25pm

re: #66 Lidane

Where do babies come from? I swear we’re doomed.

72 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:46:01pm

re: #71 allegro

Where do babies come from? I swear we’re doomed.

Cybernetic storks with lasers.

73 Mattand  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:48:26pm

re: #71 allegro

Where do babies come from? I swear we’re doomed.

Senator Pilcher-Cook gave a press conference explaining her rationale behind the bill.

74 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:50:40pm

re: #66 Lidane

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Whut

75 TedStriker  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:51:38pm

re: #69 Gus

I’ve got a screen shot above showing SenTedCruz as a follower. Also see #61.

You sure? I didn’t see the @SenTedCruz account following, just the other two.

76 allegro  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:52:23pm

re: #73 Mattand

Senator Pilcher-Cook gave a press conference explaining her rationale behind the bill.

If she can’t even distinguish between biological parentage and legal parentage I couldn’t use any form of the word ‘rational’ in any explanation she might offer.

77 Lidane  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:53:40pm

re: #76 allegro

If she can’t even distinguish between biological parentage and legal parentage I couldn’t use any form of the word ‘rational’ in any explanation she might offer.

Watch the link anyway. ;)

78 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:53:55pm

Yet another GOPer who knows jack shit about biology/science in general.

79 allegro  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:53:58pm

re: #73 Mattand

Senator Pilcher-Cook gave a press conference explaining her rationale behind the bill.

Oh! LOL! I answered before I looked at the link. Perfect!

80 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:54:06pm

Great. Now I’ve got some guy telling me to repent or something.

81 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:54:36pm

Lol@spellcheck.
My spelling was so bad it asked if I meant ‘another’ or ‘Tehran’.
O_o

82 Hal_10000  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:58:14pm

Ted Cruz follow 19,000 twitter accounts. I doubt he’s reading any of them. Looks like he (or more likely, his staff) just automatically follow anyone who tweets them. Maybe that’s not a good idea, huh?

83 Lidane  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:59:22pm
84 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:59:24pm

re: #73 Mattand

Senator Pilcher-Cook gave a press conference explaining her rationale behind the bill.

The hell did I just watch?

85 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 10:00:08pm

re: #66 Lidane

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Googled the news about said bill and it’s about what you’d expect, moral guardians trying to spin an effort to further restrict women’s rights as being about “women’s safety.” Specifically they’re trying to say that surrogacy for pay “exploits” the poor and turns women into “commodities.”

86 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 10:01:20pm

Pilcher-Cook also wants schools to require parents to sign permission slips before their kids can attend sex ed classes. There was some kerfluffle about a “poster” used in a sex ed class that got a dad all bent out of shape, and Pilcher-Cook got her (blue)nose in it.

87 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 10:02:09pm
88 allegro  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 10:05:25pm

re: #86 wheat-dogghazi

Pilcher-Cook also wants schools to require parents to sign permission slips before their kids can attend sex ed classes. There was some kerfluffle about a “poster” used in a sex ed class that got a dad all bent out of shape, and Pilcher-Cook got her (blue)nose in it.

Perhaps if she attended one she would get batted with a clue or two. I know, I know, I expect way too much of elected RWNJ officials.

89 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 10:06:00pm

re: #86 wheat-dogghazi

Here’s an article about it at ThinkProgress. thinkprogress.org

Also at Breitbart and the usual RWNJ joints.

Short version: The dad in question was offended his 13-year-old saw such words as “grinding” and “oral sex” in a sex ed class. He flipped his lid, complained to the school. Things escalated. Because sex and think of the children!

90 TedStriker  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 10:06:27pm

One thing that I didn’t know before tonight is that Jimmy Kimmel is a Cruz fan.

That’s fine with me, because Kimmel sucks; he wasn’t even that good when he was doing The Man Show.

Craig Ferguson smokes his, Leno’s, and Letterman’s asses; O’Brien is the only other late-night host that even rates.

91 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 10:07:56pm

re: #90 AlexRogan

I’ve never been impressed with Jimmy Kimmel, or The Man Show. How does he rate a late-night talk show?

92 TedStriker  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 10:10:35pm

re: #91 wheat-dogghazi

I’ve never been impressed with Jimmy Kimmel, or The Man Show. How does he rate a late-night talk show?

Dunno…Kimmel always seemed to be in the same category as “Carlos” Mencia with me, a complete hack.

93 allegro  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 10:10:37pm

re: #89 wheat-dogghazi

Here’s an article about it at ThinkProgress. thinkprogress.org

Also at Breitbart and the usual RWNJ joints.

Short version: The dad in question was offended his 13-year-old saw such words as “grinding” and “oral sex” in a sex ed class. He flipped his lid, complained the school. Things escalated. Because sex and think of the children!

Wow! The sex ed classes in the ’60s weren’t nearly that fun. We just learned that masturbation was a juvenile and nasty and self-abusive thing to do. It was on the multiple-choice test - answer D as I recall. I’m still emotionally scarred.

94 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 10:14:29pm

re: #89 wheat-dogghazi

Here’s an article about it at ThinkProgress. thinkprogress.org

Also at Breitbart and the usual RWNJ joints.

Short version: The dad in question was offended his 13-year-old saw such words as “grinding” and “oral sex” in a sex ed class. He flipped his lid, complained to the school. Things escalated. Because sex and think of the children!

That’s because most 13 year olds know what those mean, I’d wager.
OUTRAGE.
/

95 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 10:14:59pm

re: #93 allegro

Wow! The sex ed classes in the ’60s weren’t nearly that fun. We just learned that masturbation was a juvenile and nasty and self-abusive thing to do. It was on the multiple-choice test - answer D as I recall. I’m still emotionally scarred.

What were answers A, B and C?

You know, I’ve been in education a long time. Every so often, one little bit of educational material that has been used over and over again in multiple places runs into one overly sensitive parent, and all hell breaks loose. The Local Fox affiliate did an “investigation” of the matter, and busybody Pilcher-Cook seems like she got involved, too.

Like 13-year-olds don’t know about grinding?

96 piratedan  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 10:16:08pm

re: #91 wheat-dogghazi

I’ve never been impressed with Jimmy Kimmel, or The Man Show. How does he rate a late-night talk show?

he plays to the dopey everyguy crowd, just a tad more lucid and snarky. I don’t watch, but he’s like the one guy in your circle of friends who busts everyone balls and no one is ever quite sure how and why he’s in your circle of friends.

97 BongCrodny  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 10:17:58pm

re: #84 Varek Raith

The hell did I just watch?

Fringe?

98 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 10:19:57pm

re: #95 wheat-dogghazi

What were answers A, B and C?

You know, I’ve been in education a long time. Every so often, one little bit of educational material that has been used over and over again in multiple places runs into one overly sensitive parent, and all hell breaks loose. The Local Fox affiliate did an “investigation” of the matter, and busybody Pilcher-Cook seems like she got involved, too.

Like 13-year-olds don’t know about grinding?

NO.
We were all pure as snow at that age.

99 allegro  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 10:21:39pm

re: #95 wheat-dogghazi

What were answers A, B and C?

Can’t recall but I do remember that they had nothing remotely to do with the subject so that the *koff* REAL *koff* answer wouldn’t be lost on us. Sick woman teaching that class.

100 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 10:26:45pm

I remember watching a vid in sex ed class were some teens were wondering if your penis could break off.

Much laughing ensued.

101 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 10:28:31pm

re: #99 allegro

Can’t recall but I do remember that they had nothing remotely to do with the subject so that the *koff* REAL *koff* answer wouldn’t be lost on us. Sick woman teaching that class.

A. frying eggs
B. riding a bike
C. knitting a sweater
D. masturbation

Something like that?

re: #98 Varek Raith

NO.
We were all pure as snow at that age.

Strip poker — in the 6th grade — in 1967! Shocka!

[Not in school, though. Now THAT would have made for an interesting sex ed class.]

102 Single-handed sailor  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 10:29:25pm

I remember the classic sex ed movie quote, “Look, pollywogs!”

103 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 10:33:26pm

Ah, the things people freak out over.
Fun times!

104 Mattand  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 10:40:13pm

re: #84 Varek Raith

The hell did I just watch?

Seek ye the answers within yon link.

105 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 10:55:17pm

What the heck happened with Google Maps satellite view?

106 Lidane  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 11:01:31pm
107 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 11:03:35pm

re: #106 Lidane


Well, that would explain the time travel. Obama stole Hermione’s time turner.

108 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 11:05:45pm

re: #107 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

[Embedded content]


Well, that would explain the time travel. Obama stole Hermione’s time turner.

And here all this time, I thought he was a Time Lord.

109 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 11:05:45pm

In case you want classic view in the new stupid Google Maps: Return to the classic Google Maps

110 Lidane  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 11:21:16pm

re: #108 Targetpractice

And here all this time, I thought he was a Time Lord.

Maybe he’s an evil wizard Time Lord. That would turn all the DRONEZ into mind-controlled Daleks that he’s unleashing on his critics.

111 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 11:32:51pm

Charles,

When I click on comments from Top 10 Comments, Bottom Comments or Recent Comments they open up looking like this. I have Adblock disabled. Using Firefox 26.0 and Window Pro 7.

Happens right after I log in. I logged off. Cleared history, cache, etc. and checked comments like this without being logged in and they’re looking normal. Logged back in and they go back to looking like Drudge. :D

Also happens when I click on a comment from here.

112 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 11:41:52pm

Argh. Reinstalled Adblock and it’s OK now. One of those days.

113 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 11:46:06pm

Point is that the GOP has lost control of the message. They were too afraid of being shouted down at a Town Hall meeting by a guy in a three-cornered hat.

Even Karl Rove tried to warn the party about birtherism, explaining that it could be a “trap”…but nobody listened: if it sounded anti-Obama, it was shouted from the rooftops.

Now the message is out of control and anybody outside the Echo Chamber sees what really motivates a lot of these guys.

114 freetoken  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 11:47:25pm

On the front page I’m getting a few horizontal bars at the end portion of the story. Are these deleted tweets?

115 freetoken  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 11:53:05pm

Brought to you by Johnson’s Glo-Coat, now used in twice as many homes:

MP3 Audio

116 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 11:53:59pm
117 Gus  Thu, Jan 30, 2014 11:54:35pm

118 Gus  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 12:19:37am
119 Gus  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 12:20:00am

USNA 2012 McCain Conference: VADM Michael Rogers, Commander US Fleet Cyber Command

Youtube Video

120 freetoken  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 12:20:57am

As his over-extended 15 minutes fades, Edward Snowden must be hoping he’ll be remembered in song….

MP3 Audio

121 Gus  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 12:23:39am

Vice Admiral Michael S. Rogers
Commander, U.S. Fleet Cyber Command/
Commander, U.S. TENTH Fleet

Vice Admiral Rogers is a native of Chicago and attended Auburn University, graduating in 1981 and receiving his commission via the Naval Reserve Officer Training Corps. Originally a Surface Warfare Officer (SWO), he was selected for redesignation to Cryptology (now Information Warfare) in 1986.

He assumed his present duties as Commander, U.S. Fleet Cyber Command, Commander, U.S. TENTH Fleet in September 2011. Since becoming a flag officer in 2007, VADM Rogers has also been the Director for Intelligence for both the Joint Chiefs of Staff and U.S. Pacific Command.

Duties afloat have included service at the unit level as a SWO aboard USS Caron (DD 970), at the strike group level as the senior cryptologist on the staff of Commander, Carrier Group Two/John F. Kennedy Carrier Strike Group and at the numbered fleet level on the staff of Commander, U.S. Sixth Fleet embarked in USS Lasalle (AGF 3) as the Fleet Information Operations (IO) Officer and Fleet cryptologist. He has also led cryptologic direct support missions aboard U.S. submarines and surface units in the Arabian Gulf and Mediterranean.

Ashore, VADM Rogers commanded Naval Security Group Activity Winter Harbor, Maine (1998-2000); and has served at Naval Security Group Department, NAVCOMSTA Rota, Spain, Naval Military Personnel Command, Commander in Chief, U.S. Atlantic Fleet, the Bureau of Personnel as the Cryptologic Junior Officer Detailer, and Commander Naval Security Group Command as Aide and Executive Assistant (EA) to the commander.

VADM Rogers’ joint service both afloat and ashore has been extensive and prior to becoming a flag officer, he served at U.S. Atlantic Command, CJTF 120 Operation Support Democracy (Haiti), Joint Force Maritime Component Commander, Europe, and the Joint Staff. His Joint Staff duties (2003-2007) included leadership of the J3 Computer Network Attack/Defense and IO Operations shops, EA to the J3, EA to two Directors of the Joint Staff, Special Assistant to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Director of the Chairman’s Action Group and a leader of the JCS Joint Strategic Working Group.

Admiral Rogers is a distinguished graduate of the National War College and a graduate of highest distinction from the Naval War College. He is also an MIT Seminar XXI Fellow and holds a Master of Science in National Security Strategy.

Updated: 18 September 2012

122 freetoken  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 2:41:51am
123 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 2:54:47am

drip, drip, drip…

124 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 3:19:36am

This is footage of that fellow, Bulatov, right after he was found.


Yes, it is hard to watch. And these look like big, tough guys, but they’re flesh and blood, too.

125 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 3:26:27am


And BTW, the Berkut are being condemned from almost every quarter for their actions, esp of kidnapping and torture, and even murder. Among others,

126 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 3:30:15am

Especially when they beat up on their own people…how embarrassing!!!

127 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 3:30:58am

The intimidation of protesters continues apace in Kiev and other parts of Ukraine.

Jan. 31, 12:32 p.m. Opposition Batkivshchyna Party said that the more than 20 cars that were burnt in Kyiv on the night of Jan. 29-30 all belong to EuroMaidan activists. The party called the incident a “continuation of terror on the part of government.” A group of victims whose cars were burnt staged a picket outside the main traffic police building this morning at 10:30 a.m. on 54 Khmelnytskhoho Street. —Mark Rachkevych

EuroMaidanSOS reports 33 missing as of Jan. 31

12:14 p.m. EuroMaidanSOS, an informal group of activists who investigate and track the disappearances of anti-government protesters, reported on Jan. 31 that 33 people who have participated in the protest movement are currently missing.

One activist has been removed from the list last night. Dmytro Bulatov, leader of the roving protest caravan known as AutoMaidan, surfaced in a village outside Kyiv on Jan. 30 after his captors tossed him from their car. The activist had been missing since Jan. 22. In an interview with Channel 5 shortly after he turned up, Bulatov said the men who kidnapped him had beaten, tortured and crucified him over the course of more than a week. They also cut part of one of his ears off. Read more about Bulatov here. — Christopher J. Miller

kyivpost.com

128 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 3:50:12am

The mood I’m picking up today is that Ukraine is still a powder keg, that the govt is not acting in good faith, and people are truly upset about those missing, arrested, beaten, tortured and killed. They can’t get answers from the authorities because the authorities are responsible.

Look at these:

(Translation) “Given the balls that are used against the demonstrators, body armor type 3A - the best choice.”

So, now the “revolt” is “foreign-funded”? So says Putin adviser…

129 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 3:58:52am

Yatseniuk is looking good in all of this, but will he get any results?

Yatseniuk wants international investigation into EuroMaidan crimes

1:45 p..m, Jan. 31 — Opposition leader Arseniy Yatseniuk believes that recent events, such as the Jan. 22 abduction and torture of AutoMaidan leader Dmitro Bulatov, suggest that “death squads” have been created in
Ukraine. Yatseniuk made the allegations as he departed for the global security conference in Munich, Germany. He called on investigators to identify and punish those “who are now killing and making fun of people.” In Munich, he said, opposition leaders will try to get support to launch an international investigation of murders, violence, torture, kidnapping and harassment of journalists that has taken place since EuroMaidan began on Nov. 21. “The whole world is watching what is happening in our country. The world condemns violence related primarily to the fact that the government is provoking violence,” Yatseniuk said. He plans meetings with U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, U.S. Senator John McCain (Republican-Arizona), the European Union High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Catherine Ashton, President of Germany Joachim Gauk and German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier.” — Brian Bonner

Currently he [Yatseniuk] is one of the leaders of Ukraine’s second biggest party[1] All-Ukrainian Union “Fatherland” and leader of the parliamentary faction of “Fatherland”.[2][3][4] en.wikipedia.org

130 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 4:10:08am

Yanyukovich reveals latest interrogation device: the Iron Maidan (TM)

131 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 4:10:59am

If Yanukovych could step down from his “sick” throne momentarily…

Yatseniuk demands Yanukovych sign legislation repealing ‘dictator laws’

1:53 p.m, Jan. 31 — Opposition leader Arseniy Yatseniuk called on Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych to urgently sign parliament’s repeal of Jan. 16 laws, dubbed “the dictator laws.” The measures would have curtailed free speech by criminalizing criticism of government. They also would have called for punishment of up to 15 years in prison for participants in public gatherings. The measures also would have required nongovernmental organizations to registers as foreign agents. The “dictator laws” triggered violent clashes on Jan. 19 and a tense standoff that continues today on Hrushevskoho Street. By signing the parliament-approved repeal of the laws, passed this week in emergency session, Yatsenuik said Yanukovych would signal that he is intereested in solving the national crisis peacefully. — Brian Bonner

kyivpost.com

132 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 4:12:19am

Morning everyone. We are having a heat wave today. 32° at 7:00 am in central Ohio. I’ll take it. And it is Friday. I’ll take it.

Now, if the world that is coming to watch the games in Sochi just happens to get a bit more to watch about the demonstrations in the Ukraine maybe it will put some pressure on the current government for change. Hello US media. Are you there?

Still have to wonder what Putin is thinking about all this. He most likely wants to put a gloss on things, and yet he faces scorn about human rights issues such as treatment of gays and he will also get some backlash about the Ukraine in that if he wants to be invited into the mainstream of the economy of the west…pushing the Ukraine for positives is his opportunity.

Vladimir…are you sweating?

And thanks for the continuing coverage of the Ukraine Justanotherhuman. You’re doing a better job than the US media. I hardly hear anything anywhere but here.

133 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 4:16:25am

Happening in NYC today:

12:03 p.m., Jan. 31 The Ukrainian Congress Committee of Ukraine will during lunch picket Deutsche Bank on Wall Street over a bank account that President Viktor Yanukovych’s son, Oleksandr, has through his Ukrainian Bank of Development. It will call on the German bank to stop doing business with Oleksandr Yanukovych over what it calls are “criminal activities.” — Mark Rachkevych

kyivpost.com

134 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 4:17:29am

re: #7 Gus

Maybe Alouette? I might have mentioned his avi.

I found this horrific Twitter account months ago and posted screenshots here. I didn’t realize that it’s still active, I thought it would have been TwitterGulaged a long time ago.

135 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 4:24:27am

re: #131 Justanotherhuman

If Yanukovych could step down from his “sick” throne momentarily…

Yatseniuk demands Yanukovych sign legislation repealing ‘dictator laws’

1:53 p.m, Jan. 31 — Opposition leader Arseniy Yatseniuk called on Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych to urgently sign parliament’s repeal of Jan. 16 laws, dubbed “the dictator laws.” The measures would have curtailed free speech by criminalizing criticism of government. They also would have called for punishment of up to 15 years in prison for participants in public gatherings. The measures also would have required nongovernmental organizations to registers as foreign agents. The “dictator laws” triggered violent clashes on Jan. 19 and a tense standoff that continues today on Hrushevskoho Street. By signing the parliament-approved repeal of the laws, passed this week in emergency session, Yatsenuik said Yanukovych would signal that he is intereested in solving the national crisis peacefully. — Brian Bonner

kyivpost.com

Dictator law?

You know, sometimes the juxtapositions on this blog/discussion forum can be very interesting. Justanotherhuman putting up good reading about the Ukraine and letting us know about things like anti-protesting laws and Dark_Falcon putting up the image of a unwelcoming tough Chicago cop on a tee-shirt regarding the NATO Summit in that city in 2012 in post #302 in the previous thread. I guess the point is…no protesting in Chicago or we will whip out some ‘68-style Democratic Convention punishment if you protest in the streets of Chicago.

And Dark had this as his comment:

That said, it remains a fact that police seriously do not like large protests. The following t-shirt was sold at the gift shop of the NBC Tower during the run-up to the 2012 NATO Summit in Chicago. It was very popular with law enforcement, with the 2nd production batch being prepurchased in its entirety by a Chicago police organization.
Read more at littlegreenfootballs.com

Hmmm. The Ukraine. Chicago. Sometimes I wonder…where in the world are we?

136 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 4:30:43am

It is also possible that the various Ted Cruz accounts that are following this shitbag are set up to automatically followback any account that follows them, it may not necessarily mean that whoever is operating the Ted Cruz accounts saw “Moron Label“‘s avi and thought “How cool! I’m totally following this dude!”

137 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 4:32:35am

re: #135 ObserverArt

Dictator law?

You know, sometimes the juxtapositions on this blog/discussion forum can be very interesting. Justanotherhuman putting up good reading about the Ukraine and letting us know about things like anti-protesting laws and Dark_Falcon putting up the image of a unwelcoming tough Chicago cop on a tee-shirt regarding the NATO Summit in that city in 2012 in post #302 in the previous thread. I guess the point is…no protesting in Chicago or we will whip out some ‘68-style Democratic Convention punishment if you protest in the streets of Chicago.

And Dark had this as his comment:

Hmmm. The Ukraine. Chicago. Sometimes I wonder…where in the world are we?

For context about the rage people in Ukraine are feeling, I located this article written back in Nov 2013.

tol.org

I should note that another twitter I found is saying that a group under the direction of the fascist mayor of Kharkiv, Gennady Kernes, is directly responsible for, and taking credit for cutting the ear of Bulakov (although it was not completely severed, it was cut). This is Kernes, who uses a lot of social media—looks like a Putin wannabee.

Image: big.JPG

138 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 4:33:34am

re: #136 Pie-onist Overlord

It is also possible that the various Ted Cruz accounts that are following this shitbag are set up to automatically followback any account that follows them, it may not necessarily mean that whoever is operating the Ted Cruz accounts saw “Moron Label“‘s avi and thought “How cool! I’m totally following this dude!”

Wouldn’t that be a pretty stupid vulnerability? A political enemy could attach you to any kind of content..

139 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 4:35:29am

re: #138 Decatur Deb

Wouldn’t that be a pretty stupid vulnerability? A political enemy could attach you to any kind of content..

It’s not a default, I think you actually have to install some kind of app for “auto followback.” It’s supposed to be a way to get a whole bunch of followers real fast.

140 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 4:35:59am

I KNOW U ARE BUT WHAT AM I!!!11!!!!

141 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 4:43:30am

re: #136 Pie-onist Overlord

It is also possible that the various Ted Cruz accounts that are following this shitbag are set up to automatically followback any account that follows them, it may not necessarily mean that whoever is operating the Ted Cruz accounts saw “Moron Label“‘s avi and thought “How cool! I’m totally following this dude!”

You may be right…but flip it around and put someone like Harry Reed ‘following’ tweets by folks that post similar images and tweet content on someone like Mitt Romney and can you imagine the howls of outrage. I’m sure there would be all kinds of consideration of assistants and auto-settings. Right?

I had a friend that passed away a few years back who was very politically motivated and a staunch Democrat and we used to go around and around about Democrat versus Republican tactics in the modern technology era, especially the ‘net. He said the Dems better get more mean or they lose the battle. I always held to the keep it real and on the up and up and let decent behavior be an example. Both of us went to the same Catholic high school as classmates and that all influenced us. Sometimes anymore I think he may have been right. I hope I am not wrong.

142 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 4:47:03am

So…If I see my opponent is using that setting, I create #CookingKittens, and post my “Cat on a Bed of Rice” avatar….Hmmm

143 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 4:53:15am

re: #142 Decatur Deb

So…If I see my opponent is using that setting, I create[Embedded image] #CookingKittens, and post my “Cat on a Bed of Rice” avatar[Embedded image]….Hmmm

make sure the recipe specifies that the cat be steamed alive…

144 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 4:54:25am

Another site keeping up with events in Ukraine.

Euromaidan activists Dmitry Bulatov, Igor Lutsenko, Yuri Verbitsky, who were kidnapped by unidentified men earlier in January, were found near the Interior Ministry resort situated not far from a training base of the police.

society.lb.ua

BTW, here is a story from 2012 about the editor of LB leaving the paper under threats from Volodymyr Landik, Party of the Regions MP (Yanukovych’s party).

khpg.org

She is still at the paper, though. A translation of her profile here.

lb.ua

145 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 4:56:02am

re: #143 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

make sure the recipe specifies that the cat be steamed alive…

Speaking of PETA Petting Problems, sheep can breathe a little easier around here:

Bestiality one step closer to being a crime in Alabama

blog.al.com

(Best comment on the AL blog: “There goes prom night in Auburn.”)

146 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 5:00:09am

Well, fuck.

My wife, our sole breadwinner, got fired last night from her RN position. Really bogus reasons and they intend to fight the unemployment claim so we’ll be lawyering up this morning. Spent all afternoon fighting with the state yesterday and now this.

It sucks when a big pharma company is the best organization you deal with during a work week…

Prayers, “positive waves” & etc all greatly appreciated.

147 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 5:00:15am

re: #128 Justanotherhuman

The mood I’m picking up today is that Ukraine is still a powder keg, that the govt is not acting in good faith, and people are truly upset about those missing, arrested, beaten, tortured and killed. They can’t get answers from the authorities because the authorities are responsible.

Look at these:

(Translation) “Given the balls that are used against the demonstrators, body armor type 3A - the best choice.”

[Embedded content]

So, now the “revolt” is “foreign-funded”? So says Putin adviser…

Type III! is indeed the best choice if you know you’re going to be engaged in some serious fighting, but it works best if you have a trauma plate. The Berkut have already used shotgun rounds designed to destroy truck engines, and those can damage soft armor enough that any follow-on shot is liable to breech.

148 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 5:01:19am

re: #143 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

make sure the recipe specifies that the cat be steamed alive…

That might be popular in China.

149 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 5:01:38am

re: #146 William Barnett-Lewis

Well, fuck.

My wife, our sole breadwinner, got fired last night from her RN position. Really bogus reasons and they intend to fight the unemployment claim so we’ll be lawyering up this morning. Spent all afternoon fighting with the state yesterday and now this.

It sucks when a big pharma company is the best organization you deal with during a work week…

Prayers, “positive waves” & etc all greatly appreciated.

{{{Mrs. Barnett-Lewis}}}

150 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 5:02:55am

re: #146 William Barnett-Lewis

Well, fuck.

My wife, our sole breadwinner, got fired last night from her RN position. Really bogus reasons and they intend to fight the unemployment claim so we’ll be lawyering up this morning. Spent all afternoon fighting with the state yesterday and now this.

It sucks when a big pharma company is the best organization you deal with during a work week…

Prayers, “positive waves” & etc all greatly appreciated.

Was this “firing people in lieu of laying them off” or something else? I’ll understand if you can’t provide details.

151 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 5:03:17am

re: #146 William Barnett-Lewis

Well, fuck.

My wife, our sole breadwinner, got fired last night from her RN position. Really bogus reasons and they intend to fight the unemployment claim so we’ll be lawyering up this morning. Spent all afternoon fighting with the state yesterday and now this.

It sucks when a big pharma company is the best organization you deal with during a work week…

Prayers, “positive waves” & etc all greatly appreciated.

Stinks. How is your area for other employers?

152 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 5:06:26am

re: #146 William Barnett-Lewis

Well, fuck.

My wife, our sole breadwinner, got fired last night from her RN position. Really bogus reasons and they intend to fight the unemployment claim so we’ll be lawyering up this morning. Spent all afternoon fighting with the state yesterday and now this.

It sucks when a big pharma company is the best organization you deal with during a work week…

Prayers, “positive waves” & etc all greatly appreciated.

I thought there was a shortage of RNs. What’s their excuse?

Anyway, {{{{{Your family}}}}}

153 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 5:08:33am

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

Was this “firing people in lieu of laying them off” or something else? I’ll understand if you can’t provide details.

More along the lines of them trying to have such a small staff that one person is unable to care for 7 ~ 8 ventilator patient effectively and being fired for being unable to do so. There is state inspection of the facility today and the low staff numbers are “ok” if it’s because they have openings.

Plus some wage fraud like that of Walmart (forcing people to continue to work after clocking out). She knows a specialized attorney (old family friend) so we’ll call him later this AM.

154 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 5:10:15am

re: #151 Decatur Deb

Stinks. How is your area for other employers?

We’re in the middle of the great white north. Not really sure what there is right now, she’d been there 9 ~ 10 months and just recently got a promotion.

155 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 5:10:55am

re: #154 William Barnett-Lewis

We’re in the middle of the great white north. Not really sure what there is right now, she’d been there 9 ~ 10 months and just recently got a promotion.

The lawyer will like that promotion.

156 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 5:19:50am

re: #154 William Barnett-Lewis

We’re in the middle of the great white north. Not really sure what there is right now, she’d been there 9 ~ 10 months and just recently got a promotion.

That promotion will work in her favor, also. I know you can’t go into details, but it sounds as though there might also have been some “office politics” going on as well, such as a longer term employee wanting the job and being passed over? The lawyer should be able to get her personnel file.

At any rate, I hope she has kept any documentation relating to the job. It really is getting to that point in some jobs anymore, I fear, but her record should speak for itself—they hired her, they promoted her, and they fired her because she questioned the amount of work she was supposed to perform in a professional manner for the benefit of the patient? Bollocks.

157 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 5:21:32am

re: #153 William Barnett-Lewis

More along the lines of them trying to have such a small staff that one person is unable to care for 7 ~ 8 ventilator patient effectively and being fired for being unable to do so. There is state inspection of the facility today and the low staff numbers are “ok” if it’s because they have openings.

Plus some wage fraud like that of Walmart (forcing people to continue to work after clocking out). She knows a specialized attorney (old family friend) so we’ll call him later this AM.

So its them trying to cover their asses ahead of an inspection. Those kind of announced inspections are far too often dog-and-pony shows. Though you might want to contact the state agency in question. Stories such as your wife’s might make for light reading for the inspectors as they write their reports.

158 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 5:22:12am

re: #146 William Barnett-Lewis

Well, fuck.

My wife, our sole breadwinner, got fired last night from her RN position. Really bogus reasons and they intend to fight the unemployment claim so we’ll be lawyering up this morning. Spent all afternoon fighting with the state yesterday and now this.

It sucks when a big pharma company is the best organization you deal with during a work week…

Prayers, “positive waves” & etc all greatly appreciated.

Well, that’s a bummer. Real sorry to hear that. You have all the positive thoughts I can come up with.

I’ve been in the same boat. It was some small companies closing that cost me my job being the in-house ad/art department. I’ve been hanging on though with some savings I had knowing bad times were coming. I also have had a couple small web sites to create to help out.

I’ve got all my portfolio items ready to do a web site that I just bought the address to yesterday to act as an online portfolio. Time for me to go onto the streets to build up some freelance work.

So, I’ll trade you positive thoughts for some in return.

159 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 5:26:59am


And Yanukovych signed the repeal of the repressive anti-protest laws.

160 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 5:27:16am

re: #157 Dark_Falcon

That may happen down the road but what the attorney advises will be more important short term.

161 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 5:30:20am

re: #160 William Barnett-Lewis

That may happen down the road but what the attorney advises will be more important short term.

Yes, the main thing is to fight your wife’s firing as a “wrongful termination” matter.

162 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 5:35:10am

BRB

163 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 5:35:20am

But did the followed make a stupid joke about Mitt Romney’s grandchildren?

164 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 5:43:09am

re: #161 Justanotherhuman

Even if the hospital caves, though, and your wife is allowed to collect UI, it shouldn’t end there. She should be able to get her job back (if she wants it), she should also get a settlement of some type, depending on the situation. That’s futuristic, so no need to speculate right now, just see how things develop.

I was fired from a well-paying job which I had held for 5 yrs (I was 53 at the time). A young punk atty who had only been with the firm about 2 yrs accused me of “doctoring” a transcription of a case that screwed up his litigation. I was called into a roomful of lawyers (all male) and totally humiliated over something that no evidence was produced for. It was a fucking kangaroo court. I left the office, very upset, thinking I could use some sick time, and was called at home by one of the partners who told me, “We accept your resignation”. I didn’t resign, BTW. So, I immediately went to the EEOC and spilled my guts about how women (all of them non-lawyers) in the firm were treated, i.e, sexually harrassed, the level of racism in the office (the sr partner said he would never hire a Black person), well, I just spilled my guts. I finally got my UI, and a $5K settlement (which went for back mortgage payments and other bills), but the fix was in—I was blackballed in the legal community and never was able to recoup my salary range after that. It was the beginning of the end and I wound up losing my house anyway and had to finally move in with my son up here.

165 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 5:51:08am

re: #164 Justanotherhuman

Even if the hospital caves, though, and your wife is allowed to collect UI, it shouldn’t end there. She should be able to get her job back (if she wants it), she should also get a settlement of some type, depending on the situation. That’s futuristic, so no need to speculate right now, just see how things develop.

I was fired from a well-paying job which I had held for 5 yrs (I was 53 at the time). A young punk atty who had only been with the firm about 2 yrs accused me of “doctoring” a transcription of a case that screwed up his litigation. I was called into a roomful of lawyers (all male) and totally humiliated over something that no evidence was produced for. It was a fucking kangaroo court. I left the office, very upset, thinking I could use some sick time, and was called at home by one of the partners who told me, “We accept your resignation”. I didn’t resign, BTW. So, I immediately went to the EEOC and spilled my guts about how women (all of them non-lawyers) in the firm were treated, i.e, sexually harrassed, the level of racism in the office (the sr partner said he would never hire a Black person), well, I just spilled my guts. I finally got my UI, and a $5K settlement (which went for back mortgage payments and other bills), but the fix was in—I was blackballed in the legal community and never was able to recoup my salary range after that. It was the beginning of the end and I wound up losing my house anyway and had to finally move in with my son up here.

Yep, seen cases like that before. She lost a job due to age discrimination a couple of years ago but got too depressed to be willing to do anything about it. Thankfully that’s not the case this time.

The biggest immediate danger is not the UI but if they try to cove their asses by going after her RN license.

166 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 5:53:31am

re: #164 Justanotherhuman

But of course, unions are completely unnecessary, and unfair to the Jrrb creeaturs.

Seriously, employers can get away with all kinds of shit if employees have no on-site representation. You can appeal, fight for unemployment, sue the bastards, but you’re still out of a job in the meantime. Having a union rep around can at least slow down management’s kicking you out the door.

Legal workers and nurses don’t usually have union representation, I know, so it probably doesn’t apply to you or WB-L’s wife. But it should.

My dad was a member of the Teamsters. Before he took a job that sort of required him to join the union, he hated unions. (A real Republican was he.) After the union medical plan paid for his first heart operation, and the union reps helped him keep his job, he changed his tune.

167 Flounder  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 5:56:01am

re: #146 William Barnett-Lewis

Had to sign in just to upding. My best wishes to you and your wife and family. Getting fired is very traumatic and I feel for you. So sorry to hear.

168 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 5:59:50am

re: #165 William Barnett-Lewis

Yep, seen cases like that before. She lost a job due to age discrimination a couple of years ago but got too depressed to be willing to do anything about it. Thankfully that’s not the case this time.

The biggest immediate danger is not the UI but if they try to cove their asses by going after her RN license.

Make sure you sit down with your lawyer friend and ‘wargame’ out how they might do that. And get a hold of all needed documentation soonest, because they might try to “add” to it to bolster their case.

169 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 6:00:04am

re: #167 Flounder

Had to sign in just to upding. My best wishes to you and your wife and family. Getting fired is very traumatic and I feel for you. So sorry to hear.

Thank you for taking the time and for your thoughts. That means a lot to me.

170 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 6:04:03am

And, if you don’t think employers can’t “code” recommendations when you are applying for another job (even though negative info is not supposed to be gossiped about), it is more widespread than you think. It doesn’t even have to be words, it can be their tone of voice or something else as well. I had one employer much later tell me they almost didn’t hire me for that reason. My millionaire ex-employer was trying to get his digs in for costing him $5K and calling attention to his practices. Even so, I had to take a job that paid over $10K less than what I had been making, even with my education and long term experience, and got so behind it was impossible to catch everything up I had lost. The new employer watched everything I did, even having other employees do so, which made me a nervous wreck (clinically so) and we eventually parted ways. By that time, I was going into my late 50s and no one really wanted me.

Past employers are only supposed to give the dates, position and other objective information from their records. If they want to “punish” you or warn a potential employer, because they want revenge, you are toast.

171 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 6:11:35am

In the meantime William, here’s something for you if want to give an article the “Mystery Science Theater 3000 Treatment”:

Russian Armata MBT trials under way

Russia began trials of the first prototype/pre-production models of the new Armata (Armada) main battle tank (MBT) in late 2013, potentially leading to a limited service entry with the Russian Army in 2016.

Prime contractor for the Armata is the UralVagonZavod Research and Production Corporation - which comprises more than 20 of the major Russian facilities engaged in the design, development, and production of tracked combat vehicles.

The Armata MBT will be armed with an externally mounted 125 mm smoothbore gun with 32 rounds of ammunition, latest information indicates. In addition to conventional ammunition, the 125 mm smoothbore gun will be able to fire a laser-guided projectile with a tandem high-explosive anti-tank warhead out to a range of at least 5,000 m. Secondary armament will consist of a 30 mm cannon and a 12.7 mm machine gun (MG).

The commander, gunner, and driver are all seated at the front of the well-protected hull, with the 125 mm gun and ammunition handling system in the middle and the high-performance diesel power pack at the rear of the vehicle.

The Armata is also being referred to as the Universal Combat Platform (BMP-T-15), with the hull to form the basis for a complete family of tracked combat vehicles.

The photo on the article is of an upgraded T-72 the Russians are hawking. Libya has purchased kits to upgrade their surviving T-72s to the new standard.

Image: Foss_test_-_main.jpg

172 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 6:17:16am

Great. That damn tank drove over the thread and crushed it.

173 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 6:18:34am

re: #165 William Barnett-Lewis

Yep, seen cases like that before. She lost a job due to age discrimination a couple of years ago but got too depressed to be willing to do anything about it. Thankfully that’s not the case this time.

The biggest immediate danger is not the UI but if they try to cove their asses by going after her RN license.

I wouldn’t assume anything, WBL. Age discrimination can be very, very subtle.

The mistaken notion many have is that “age slows you down”. They had to hire 2 people to replace me.

174 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 6:24:21am

re: #171 Dark_Falcon

Interesting. The Armata sounds like the proposed M1 “Giraffe” variant that showed up in Twilight 2000. Should be just as practical for them as it was for us (never even getting to prototype).

175 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 6:25:44am

re: #173 Justanotherhuman

I wouldn’t assume anything, WBL. Age discrimination can be very, very subtle.

The mistaken notion many have is that “age slows you down”. They had to hire 2 people to replace me.

Hmm? Oh, I was referring to the depression that was so bad I could not get her to do anything about it. As for “why” on this case, I’ll defer to the attorney.

176 Chrysicat  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 6:26:11am

Back to the original topic for this thread:
amazingly, this jerkhole still hasn’t been banned. Though for some reason I can’t get to his timeline on my phone, just the computer.

I have no idea what that means…

177 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 6:27:30am

re: #176 Chrysicat

Back to the original topic for this thread:
amazingly, this jerkhole still hasn’t been banned. Though for some reason I can’t get to his timeline on my phone, just the computer.

I have no idea what that means…

It means the Twitter app for android and iphone sucks.

178 GunstarGreen  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 6:28:14am

re: #170 Justanotherhuman

And, if you don’t think employers can’t “code” recommendations when you are applying for another job (even though negative info is not supposed to be gossiped about), it is more widespread than you think. It doesn’t even have to be words, it can be their tone of voice or something else as well. I had one employer much later tell me they almost didn’t hire me for that reason. My millionaire ex-employer was trying to get his digs in for costing him $5K and calling attention to his practices. Even so, I had to take a job that paid over $10K less than what I had been making, even with my education and long term experience, and got so behind it was impossible to catch everything up I had lost. The new employer watched everything I did, even having other employees do so, which made me a nervous wreck (clinically so) and we eventually parted ways. By that time, I was going into my late 50s and no one really wanted me.

Past employers are only supposed to give the dates, position and other objective information from their records. If they want to “punish” you or warn a potential employer, because they want revenge, you are toast.

It is for reasons like this that I live the relatively ascetic life that I do. Priority #1 is to completely eliminate any and all sources of debt (I’m on track to pay off the house, the last bit of it, within the next two years). At that point? Employer can be as big of a scumbag as they want to be (and believe me, they want to be enormous ones), they won’t have any real power over me. And that’s worth more than all the trinkets and grown-up toys in the world.

In other news: Greetings from the frozen wasteland of Georgia. Governor Deal swears up and down that we’ll be better prepared “next time” — funny, I kind of remember hearing that two years ago, the last time an ice storm caught this shithole state unawares. Apparently “putting down salt and rocks on dry road is a waste of resources”. Gotta love the deep south: So long as we don’t have to pay any taxes, we’ll gladly let the entire damn state shut down over a freaking inch of snow.

179 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 6:34:21am

re: #175 William Barnett-Lewis

Hmm? Oh, I was referring to the depression that was so bad I could not get her to do anything about it. As for “why” on this case, I’ll defer to the attorney.

Yes, the depression when your work ethic, your very self, is challenged so badly. I went through the same thing, but I got results before I knew I was blackballed because I was so pissed off. That’s when I knew I would never work in the field again and that’s what brought on clinical depression that made me a wreck for 2 yrs. I was so tied into my work, it was so much a part of my identity, that it didn’t occur to me that there are other ways to live that won’t crush you and perhaps you can cope better with. I didn’t learn that from therapy, either, BTW.

180 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 6:37:26am

re: #174 William Barnett-Lewis

Interesting. The Armata sounds like the proposed M1 “Giraffe” variant that showed up in Twilight 2000. Should be just as practical for them as it was for us (never even getting to prototype).

‘Giraffe’? Never heard of that M1 idea.

The US has had success in using its tank chassis as the foundation of other vehicles in the past (the M4 and M60 spring to mind quickly) though that happened less often form the 1960’s onward because the M113 came to be seen as the tracked vehicle from which to base specialized variants. This actually represented (and still represents) a good amount of practicality from the US Army, as the M113 is cheap to build and procure, is easy to maintain, is relatively easy to use, and is still effective in most specialized roles. To bring the discussion full-circle, the M113 was actually praised by Red Army evaluators who were able to examine captured M113s (captured in Vietnam) for those “Soviet” traits.

181 Bulworth  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 6:38:41am

Today in ‘Conservatives Love America More Than We Do: Education Edition’:

We don’t ever want to educate South Carolina children like they educate California children.South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley*

Because in California they probably teach children that slavery caused the Civil War, that the world is more than 6,000 years old, and that teh gay are OK.

*Haley is apparently railing against Common Core, of which I have no opinion.

182 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 6:40:03am

re: #178 GunstarGreen

It is for reasons like this that I live the relatively ascetic life that I do. Priority #1 is to completely eliminate any and all sources of debt (I’m on track to pay off the house, the last bit of it, within the next two years). At that point? Employer can be as big of a scumbag as they want to be (and believe me, they want to be enormous ones), they won’t have any real power over me. And that’s worth more than all the trinkets and grown-up toys in the world.

In other news: Greetings from the frozen wasteland of Georgia. Governor Deal swears up and down that we’ll be better prepared “next time” — funny, I kind of remember hearing that two years ago, the last time an ice storm caught this shithole state unawares. Apparently “putting down salt and rocks on dry road is a waste of resources”. Gotta love the deep south: So long as we don’t have to pay any taxes, we’ll gladly let the entire damn state shut down over a freaking inch of snow.

Yes, welcome to the club. : ) I no longer own a house, no longer have credit cards and can live, if not luxuriously, on my SS. I get the added bonus of having a grandson and g-grandson living here, too, and the benefits they convey.

183 darthstar  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 6:46:09am
184 Bulworth  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 6:46:45am

re: #182 Justanotherhuman

I envy both of you, looking to do the same as soon as possible.

185 GunstarGreen  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 6:48:38am

re: #183 darthstar

Rep McMorris Rogers’ living room is as fake as her positions.

Love the “house wall” set in the back with the military flag display case on it. Republicans know the props and imagery their base wants to see very well.

186 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 6:49:18am

re: #172 Dark_Falcon

Great. That damn tank drove over the thread and crushed it.

Can I direct your tank toward Stongsville Ohio the home of Medical Mutual health insurance offices? A couple of rounds ought to do it.

Everyone bitches about Obamacare…I am dealing directly with my current company with a plan that got carried over but with the additional charges due to the ACA. I went with slightly higher deductible to keep costs down for a bit while I reconfigure my life.

They have acknowledged my new plan and rates back in early December, but they billed me in January at the increased rates that set panic in my heart with the “new” costs due to all the changes (yeah, I got one of those letters). I was told, sorry, you’ll have to pay the current rates because we are behind due to all the changes going on in the field, but we will credit you. Now for February they have changed the rates, but only by a bit and not to what was agreed on. Two months, two rates…none as they should be. At the rate we are going, I’ll have two months for free coming to me very soon.

And the real fun part…the woman I just contacted said “well, at least you are talking with us directly and not having to go through .gov.” Oh, really.

187 darthstar  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 6:49:31am
188 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 6:49:44am

re: #180 Dark_Falcon

‘Giraffe’? Never heard of that M1 idea.

The US >has had success in using its tank chassis as the foundation of other vehicles in the past (the M4 and M60 spring to mind quickly) though that happened less often form the 1960’s onward because the M113 came to be seen as the tracked vehicle from which to base specialized variants. This actually represented (and still represents) a good amount of practicality from the US Army, as the M113 is cheap to build and procure, is easy to maintain, is relatively easy to use, and is still effective in most specialized roles. To bring the discussion full-circle, the M113 was actually praised by Red Army evaluators who were able to examine captured M113s (captured in Vietnam) for those “Soviet” traits.

Heh. The 113 series was good, but I really preferred the 113A3 version - a steering wheel in place of the lateral levers and they moved the fuel tankage outside the armored envelope making it a far more survivable vehicle for the infantry on board. It remains the quintessential battle taxi and is arguably a better idea than the IFV concept of the BMP/Bradley type vehicles. Perhaps if we had a 14.5 mm version of the M2 ala the KPV that provided a bit more anti-armor performance, the Army might not have felt the need for the 25 mm of the Bradley.

189 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 6:50:00am

HURR HURR!!!11!!!!
Why is a non-certified opthamologist performing surgery on cat erections! Only veterinarians should be allowed to do that!

190 darthstar  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 6:50:48am

re: #185 GunstarGreen

Love the “house wall” set in the back with the military flag display case on it. Republicans know the props and imagery their base wants to see very well.

I saw that case and immediately thought she lost a loved one in war. Then I figured that’s what they wanted me to think.

191 darthstar  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 6:52:14am

re: #189 Pie-onist Overlord

I like that the watermark says “Politifake.org”

192 Bulworth  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 6:53:14am

re: #189 Pie-onist Overlord

Multimillion dollars vacations——taxpayers money!!!!!!!11111. Why NO media attention????!??!?!?1

193 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 6:53:24am

Even if it was “cataract” surgery, not cat erections, who would want Rand Paul sticking something in their eye?

194 GunstarGreen  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 6:53:28am

re: #189 Pie-onist Overlord

Except that he’s getting kickbacks for that ‘free’ surgery because of his family’s situation with medicare/medicaid.

195 Flounder  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 6:54:21am

re: #189 Pie-onist Overlord

I hate to be a pre=op vet fluffer for the cat erection surgeries!
/
If you don’t know, don’t look it up.

196 Bulworth  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 6:54:27am

Let’s be glad LGF isn’t run by Phil Griffin who would have us all apologizing to the GOP and banning all of us, etc.

197 darthstar  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 6:54:56am
198 Bulworth  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 6:55:19am

re: #197 darthstar

We’re doomed.

199 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 6:56:12am

re: #184 Bulworth

I envy both of you, looking to do the same as soon as possible.

Congratulations! You won’t regret it. As financially embarrassed as we are most of the time, we still live well. As they say, sometimes less is more. : )

200 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 6:56:44am

re: #181 Bulworth

Today in ‘Conservatives Love America More Than We Do: Education Edition’:

We don’t ever want to educate South Carolina children like they educate California children.South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley*

Because in California they probably teach children that slavery caused the Civil War, that the world is more than 6,000 years old, and that teh gay are OK.

*Haley is apparently railing against Common Core, of which I have no opinion.

Here’s the FAQ provided by Common Core organization. corestandards.org

I’m not clear on the implementation of the Common Core in the classroom, but the states do the management, not the federal government, as the anti-Common Core fringe alleges. I know that for some classrooms and districts, the Common Core objectives will be hard to reach, because they are demanding, in that they require students to think, and teachers to organize student activities. Older teachers are probably grumbling, because they always grumble when some new pedagogy comes from on high.

The right wing is against the CC, because it’s new. I mean, there are some railing against the New Math of the 1960s and ’70s, and that’s been out of fashion for decades. There are others who hate International Baccalaureate, because UN! One World Government! 11!!ty!

There are CC standards in place now for Math and Language Arts. Soon, there will be standards for Science and History.

I have mixed feelings about CC as an educator, because the corporatists in education want link CC outcomes with testing, teacher accountability, and funding. In that sense, it’s NCLB 2.0. But, the standards themselves are reasonable, yet very challenging, especially for ESL and special ed students.

201 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 6:57:12am
202 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 6:58:42am

re: #188 William Barnett-Lewis

Heh. The 113 series was good, but I really preferred the 113A3 version - a steering wheel in place of the lateral levers and they moved the fuel tankage outside the armored envelope making it a far more survivable vehicle for the infantry on board. It remains the quintessential battle taxi and is arguably a better idea than the IFV concept of the BMP/Bradley type vehicles. Perhaps if we had a 14.5 mm version of the M2 ala the KPV that provided a bit more anti-armor performance, the Army might not have felt the need for the 25 mm of the Bradley.

The Army in the 1970’s had limited budgets and was reluctant to attempt development of a new type of machine gun that might risk displacing the many thousands of M2HBs in service. Use of the Soviet 14.5mm round was impossible for political reasons, so a new caliber would also have been needed and that would have been very expensive. 25mm was already being planned for service on the AH-64 Apache, so using that was a development shortcut.

But what was the M1 “Giraffe”, anyway?

203 Dr. Matt  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 6:59:03am

re: #183 darthstar

Rep McMorris Rogers’ living room is as fake as her positions.

And if Obama used a fake set, Fox “News” would have endless coverage about it and the Breitards would be calling it another “conspiracy” .

204 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 6:59:22am

re: #189 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!11!!!!
Why is a non-certified opthamologist performing surgery on cat erections! Only veterinarians should be allowed to do that!

[Embedded content]

Is he? Or, is that Rand doing a photo op? We must remember, this guy has plagiarized in the recent past and wouldn’t own up to it. Would anyone be surprised if the whole thing is fake?

And I can hear him now. “Oh, I wasn’t doing a full operation, I was just at an office of a eye-doc I know and since I kinda know the biz, he said, hey Rand, sit in on this operation with me and take a look at what we are doing. So I did and someone from his staff must have taken an image I was unaware of. People make big things out of little things they just do not know the facts about. It’s all politics.”

(wank…wank…)

205 darthstar  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 6:59:51am

re: #198 Bulworth

We’re doomed.

This is great publicity for celebrities who want to get into the ring with him for a couple of faux rounds. /

Let Al Sharpton be the first…he’d probably need to be pulled off of Z after less than a round.

206 Ryan King  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:00:45am

I don’t know a lot about Common Core, but opinions I’ve heard:

My childhood friend in CA, a science/math/coach in grades 5-12, thinks its great. He likes the ideas of standards and moving in to a new way of teaching concepts and ‘thinking’ as opposed to solving problems.

My Bro and Sis in Laws in HI, both teachers and coaches: it’s a mixed bag per state, some states are already above Common Core standards, so it only benefits some states.

Right wing: Ooh, Government Cooties. BAD!

Take from that what you will.

207 Dr. Matt  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:00:48am

re: #176 Chrysicat

Back to the original topic for this thread:
amazingly, this jerkhole still hasn’t been banned. …

I don’t normally SPAM block someone, but I made an exception for this prick.

208 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:00:54am

re: #203 Dr. Matt

And if Obama used a fake set, Fox “News” would have endless coverage about it and the Breitards would be calling it another “conspiracy” .

Is she the woman who gave the GOP rebuttal to the SOTU? I was listening to audio at the time while doing something else, and after about 90 seconds of her, I turned it off.

209 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:01:32am

Is this the Holocaust Of Teh Richs that Tom Perkins is warning everyone about? I did not click on the link because Frank Gaffney.

210 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:01:51am

re: #189 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!11!!!!
Why is a non-certified opthamologist performing surgery on cat erections! Only veterinarians should be allowed to do that!

[Embedded content]

Does that idiot even know that part of professional life is to do pro bono work? The dentist I got so pissed off with who wanted to charge so much for a tooth extraction contributes some time to the poors, too.

That doesn’t make him a good dentist. In fact, I’ll bet RP is as bad an ophthalmologist and as much of a gold digger as that guy is a dentist.

211 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:02:38am

re: #136 Pie-onist Overlord

It is also possible that the various Ted Cruz accounts that are following this shitbag are set up to automatically followback any account that follows them, it may not necessarily mean that whoever is operating the Ted Cruz accounts saw “Moron Label“‘s avi and thought “How cool! I’m totally following this dude!”

Ends up being in the “malicious vs incompetent” category in any case. If done purposefully it’s the former, if done via some sort of automatic follow setting it’s the latter since leaving that setting on for a verified account for an elected official is simply asking for an indefensible association like this to come into existence.

212 Dr. Matt  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:02:49am

re: #208 wheat-dogghazi

Is she the woman who gave the GOP rebuttal to the SOTU? .

Yup. This year featured their Token Women, last year featured their Token Hispanic, and 3 years ago featured their Token Brown-guy-with-a-funny-name-but-goes-by-an-Americanized-name

213 Bulworth  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:03:37am

re: #209 Pie-onist Overlord

“Seems so”. Hey, “just asking questions”

214 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:04:33am

re: #203 Dr. Matt

And if Obama used a fake set, Fox “News” would have endless coverage about it and the Breitards would be calling it another “conspiracy” .

I wish they would have gotten the teleprompter in that shot. (Unless I am missing seeing it…or the dude with the cue cards, or script roll above the camera.)

/

215 Bulworth  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:04:41am

re: #203 Dr. Matt

TELEPROMPTERS!!!!111!

216 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:05:56am

re: #202 Dark_Falcon

But what was the M1 “Giraffe”, anyway?

It was an early 80’s proposal for an upgrade to the M1. The text from the
Twilight 2000 RPG is as follows:

“M1A2 Abrams III “Giraffe” (Main Battle Tank):
The M1A2 Abrams III is an M1 with a slightly higher superstructure
and a small casemate (unmanned) turret. The commander,
gunner, and driver ride in the vehicle chassis, and
the gun is remotely controlled and automatically loaded.
The driver, gunner and commander ride side by side, and
each has a hatch on the front deck.”

Unfortunately I am unable to find an image online and I doubt Charles would approve of my posting the pdf from the game ;)

217 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:05:57am

re: #212 Dr. Matt

Yup. This year featured their Token Women, last year featured their Token Hispanic, and 3 years ago featured their Token Brown-guy-with-a-funny-name-but-goes-by-an-Americanized-name

I turned her off because her voice was putting me to sleep, and her rebuttal points were the same-old-same-old of the GOP. Wooden delivery would be one way to sum it up.

218 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:06:13am

re: #201 Pie-onist Overlord

Detroit is now officially a Third World country.

I haz a sad.

Jesusfuckingchrist. Just awful. The Feds should take it over and kick some ass in city and state govt.

“The city of 713,000 is the only U.S. city with upwards of 100 deaths per 100,000 children. In what one doctor declared a “public health emergency,” 120 out of every 100,00 children in Detroit died in 2010. The infant mortality rate — which is higher than the rates in Panama, Romania, and Botswana — is another prominent issue. Between 2000 and 2011, 2,300 infants died within their first year.

“Health concerns stem from the city’s long history of financial troubles; all told, 60 percent of Detroit’s youth were impoverished in 2010. Detroit’s economic conditions pose ongoing challenges for residents — including food insecurity, unsafe housing, and the inability access medical care — all of which impact child health, according to Dr. Irwin Redlene, a pediatrician and Columbia University professor.

“There is a dearth of physicians in the area, and traveling to receive medical attention is hindered by a poor infrastructure. At this time, women who are not pregnant or nursing do not qualify for Medicaid, and the insurance is stripped away from them shortly after a baby is born. Dr. Elliot Attisha, who created a mobile clinic service that serves kids through the city, explained that children are not receiving necessary medical attention in this context, from “yearly checkups” to “treatment for their chronic conditions.” Many die of “common illnesses” like asthma and the flu. “

These people are in despair…

219 Ryan King  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:07:04am

I’ve Liked MRC, Newsbusters, and Mr Conservative on Facebook. Just to see what’s going on.

Sometimes it’s hard to read that crap and the comments and not think ‘we are completely screwed.’

220 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:07:22am

re: #209 Pie-onist Overlord

Is this the Holocaust Of Teh Richs that Tom Perkins is warning everyone about? I did not click on the link because Frank Gaffney.

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No, it’s a rather DERPy “Israel under threat” blurb. It’s far too short to give a real picture of the missile and rocket threat Israel faces and so can’t even establish what the Obama administration has done to draw Gaffney’s ire.

Truly a worthless piece of dreck that does Israel no favors.

221 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:07:51am

re: #215 Bulworth

TELEPROMPTERS!!!!111!

I beat you by >< that much!

Time to get to work. Got a web site to build! Later Lizard types!

And Dark_Falcon…don’t forget the tank strike I asked for #186.

222 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:08:37am

re: #218 Justanotherhuman

Sounds like a job for Médecins Sans Frontières .

223 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:09:44am

re: #216 William Barnett-Lewis

It was an early 80’s proposal for an upgrade to the M1. The text from the
Twilight 2000 RPG is as follows:

“M1A2 Abrams III “Giraffe” (Main Battle Tank):
The M1A2 Abrams III is an M1 with a slightly higher superstructure
and a small casemate (unmanned) turret. The commander,
gunner, and driver ride in the vehicle chassis, and
the gun is remotely controlled and automatically loaded.
The driver, gunner and commander ride side by side, and
each has a hatch on the front deck.”

Unfortunately I am unable to find an image online and I doubt Charles would approve of my posting the pdf from the game ;)

That idea wasn’t ready for prime time back then. Still isn’t for 120mm armed vehicles, though a remote operated 105mm turret is possible now.

224 Chrysicat  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:09:47am

re: #209 Pie-onist Overlord

I took the bullet for you, dove in and read (though unfortunately, I have no adblocker, so he still got whatever revenue my hit gives).

Nothing about eating the rich—or America at all—it’s just an article saying that Israel is surrounded by enemies that he expects to successfully push the Jews into the sea, and that this isn’t the right time to cut US funding for Israeli defense. I know the man’s on Geller’s side, but that does seem reasonable.

225 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:10:51am

re: #222 wheat-dogghazi

Sounds like a job for Médecins Sans Frontières .

Or Cuba could send doctors. : ) They send them to many countries, you know. Some may even be working for Médecins Sans Frontières.

226 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:11:07am

re: #218 Justanotherhuman

Jesusfuckingchrist. Just awful. The Feds should take it over and kick some ass in city and state govt.

“The city of 713,000 is the only U.S. city with upwards of 100 deaths per 100,000 children. In what one doctor declared a “public health emergency,” 120 out of every 100,00 children in Detroit died in 2010. The infant mortality rate — which is higher than the rates in Panama, Romania, and Botswana — is another prominent issue. Between 2000 and 2011, 2,300 infants died within their first year.

“Health concerns stem from the city’s long history of financial troubles; all told, 60 percent of Detroit’s youth were impoverished in 2010. Detroit’s economic conditions pose ongoing challenges for residents — including food insecurity, unsafe housing, and the inability access medical care — all of which impact child health, according to Dr. Irwin Redlene, a pediatrician and Columbia University professor.

“There is a dearth of physicians in the area, and traveling to receive medical attention is hindered by a poor infrastructure. At this time, women who are not pregnant or nursing do not qualify for Medicaid, and the insurance is stripped away from them shortly after a baby is born. Dr. Elliot Attisha, who created a mobile clinic service that serves kids through the city, explained that children are not receiving necessary medical attention in this context, from “yearly checkups” to “treatment for their chronic conditions.” Many die of “common illnesses” like asthma and the flu. “

These people are in despair…

Even MOAR SAD, there is no shortage of world class medical facilities in this area,

227 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:13:41am

re: #222 wheat-dogghazi

Sounds like a job for Médecins Sans Frontières .

But there are already many world class medical facilities here: Henry Ford, Harper-Grace, Beaumont, University of Michigan, Mott Children’s Hospital, Detroit Mercy, Oakwood, Detroit Medical Center, Wayne State, St. Johns (to name just a few)

228 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:15:32am

re: #221 ObserverArt

I beat you by >< that much!

Time to get to work. Got a web site to build! Later Lizard types!

And Dark_Falcon…don’t forget the tank strike I asked for #186.

Sorry, Ohio also hosts the production plant for the M1 Abrams and an newly upgraded M1A2 TUSK sited that T-72BM3 you wanted to plow up that government building.

The MA2’s 120mm gun turned the T-72 the scrap-iron with a single HVAP FS-DS round through the glacis plate. The ‘arrow’ depleted-uranium round hit the T-72’s ammunition cassette and the resulting detonation blew its turret clear off.

This is great news for Speaker Boehner who will use it to push for continued tank production and upgrades as well as proof that he supports the military.

/Must I?

229 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:15:50am

Good morning Lizards!

In honor of the Great Thaw in the northeast I post some 3-year-old garden pictures from the Vanderbilt mansion in Hyde Park.

Blooming flowers

Tiger Lilly bloom

Pond and Statue

Building in Japanese garden

>

230 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:16:23am

re: #227 Pie-onist Overlord

But there are already many world class medical facilities here: Henry Ford, Harper-Grace, Beaumont, University of Michigan, Mott Children’s Hospital, Detroit Mercy, Oakwood, Detroit Medical Center, Wayne State, St. Johns (to name just a few)

Water, water everywhere, and not a drop to drink …

The people who need that care are not the ones who can pay for it.

231 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:17:45am

re: #197 darthstar

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All righty.

“So far one high-profile taker has stepped forward: rapper The Game.

“I would not be boxing for me. I’d be boxing for the legacy of Trayvon Martin and for his family,” the rapper told TMZ, adding “it’s legal, and I want to show him you can solve your disputes without a weapon.”

Kiss his ass from here to LA, “The Game”.

Also loved this comment:

Maxaroo
14 Minutes Ago
The concept of what constitutes a “celebrity” has certainly changed during my lifetime.

232 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:19:26am

Missing Ukraine activist says he was tortured

Bulatov was discovered outside Kiev on Thursday. He said his kidnappers beat him severely, nailed him to a cross, sliced off a piece of ear and cut his face. He was kept in the dark all the time and could not identify the kidnappers. After more than a week of beatings, they eventually dumped him in a forest.

“They crucified me, they nailed down my hands. They cut off my ear, they cut my face. There isn’t a spot on my body that hasn’t been beaten,” Bulatov said on Channel 5 television. “Thank God, I am alive.”

Bulatov’s face and clothes were covered in clotted blood, his hands were swollen and bore the marks of nails.

233 BusyMonster  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:19:36am

re: #9 wheat-dogghazi

Cruz is a public figure, and has sworn to uphold the Constitution, which does not have any clauses about hanging presidents because you don’t like them.

I believe that’s Paragraph Banana of Subsection Bing Bang Patooey, “In the Event of an Unwanted Blah President, Lynching Shall Commence.” In the Right Winger’s Constitution, Cartoon Edition.

234 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:19:37am

So is he performing FREE EYE SURGERY?

235 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:20:26am

Oh shit! It’s on now.

236 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:21:00am

re: #234 Pie-onist Overlord

Probably consultations and eye exams.

237 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:21:11am
238 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:24:26am

Clamor Grows for Syria to Deliver on Chemical Arms Pledge

The Syrians missed the first deadline on Dec. 31 for removal of the most dangerous toxins, and are likely to miss the second on Feb. 5, when the entire stockpile is supposed to be safely out of the country. Only two small shipments have been exported so far from the Syrian port of Latakia.

… only about 4 percent of the chemicals, half of them considered especially dangerous, had been exported from Latakia so far — the first public disclosure of how much remains in the country.

239 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:25:59am

re: #237 Justanotherhuman

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Hmmm. That doesn’t look like a good sign, I thought the govt was offering amnesty to protesters.

240 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:26:34am

re: #234 Pie-onist Overlord

So is he performing FREE EYE SURGERY?

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“Staff” for 2 whole hours, meaning doing cursory eye exams and “call the office” type bullshit.

241 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:27:58am
242 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:29:09am

re: #238 Killgore Trout

I thought the international community, headed by the Russians because of their ties in country, was responsible for rounding up the chems and shipping them/ destroying them

243 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:32:10am

re: #235 Justanotherhuman

Oh shit! It’s on now.

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That’s nothing short of a proscription list, and there’s no way Yanukovych would order it put out if he was planning to make concessions.

Those arrest warrants are basically a demand for surrender. Not quite unconditional surrender, since Yanukovych would very likely let the majority of the Euromaidan activists disperse and go home without incident, but surrender nonetheless.

244 Dr. Matt  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:36:54am

Remember during the Zimmerman trial when his attorney went out of his way to point poor Georgie as a helpless weakling? Well, the downward spiral of the racist murderer continues:

George Zimmerman willing to fight anyone — even black people — in celebrity boxing match

245 122 Year Old Obama  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:37:55am

re: #244 Dr. Matt

That he could be considered a celebrity by anybody is terrifying.

246 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:38:46am

This is just unacceptable and calls for an international investigation. It doesn’t matter whether or not it was as “bad” as he says it was, the fact that any of it happened at all is horrific.

Ukraine activist says he was abducted and tortured

bbc.co.uk

I’m not so sure the figures for the dead quoted in this piece is accurate.

247 Dr. Matt  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:38:59am

re: #245 122 Year Old Obama

That he could be considered a celebrity by anybody is terrifying.

It’s only a matter of time before Georgie and Bristol are teamed up for a reality show.

248 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:39:33am

re: #242 sattv4u2

I thought the international community, headed by the Russians because of their ties in country, was responsible for rounding up the chems and shipping them/ destroying them

Putin says everything is fine
Russia defends Assad, says chemical arms deadline viable

Ulyanov, head of the Foreign Ministry’s security and disarmament department, blamed the delays on security problems on the road to the port of Latakia and insufficient technical support from the outside world, Interfax reported.

249 GunstarGreen  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:40:14am

re: #201 Pie-onist Overlord

Detroit is now officially a Third World country.

I haz a sad.

Detroit. The near future. Officer Alex J. Murphy and his partner, Anne Lewis, fight to rid the decaying city of the criminal element which infests it. After being mortally wounded in the line of duty, Officer Murphy is outfitted by OCP with bulletproof titanium robotic parts, and with computer enhanced motor and sensory capabilities.

He has become the ultimate supercop.

ROBOCOP.

250 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:41:27am

re: #244 Dr. Matt

Remember during the Zimmerman trial when his attorney went out of his way to point poor Georgie as a helpless weakling? Well, the downward spiral of the racist murderer continues:

George Zimmerman willing to fight anyone — even black people — in celebrity boxing match

Looks to be more of a financial ting than a racist thing. Looks as if the headline writer added the “even black people”. I mean,,,”willing to fightANYONE” would include that, no
He’s most likely un-employable so he s to take any opportunity to make money

251 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:42:24am

re: #248 Killgore Trout

Putin says everything is fine
Ah,, well,, in that case ,,
carry on,,,, nothing to see here!!

252 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:43:14am

re: #242 sattv4u2

I thought the international community, headed by the Russians because of their ties in country, was responsible for rounding up the chems and shipping them/ destroying them

They are, but because the rebels are for the most part pledged not to attack the highway being used to move the chemicals and the Russians are escorting the vehicles carrying the chemicals with some heavy metal (BTR APCs and helicopter gunships), the Russians and Syrians are slow-rolling the shipping process and using it to their advantage.

In a fairly old scam, some of the convoy trucks are tanker trucks, others general supply haulers, and still others ammunition carriers. The former and the latter are there to carry out chemical weapons and the rockets, shells and bombs used to deploy them, respectively. They do in fact perform that service, but they don’t go in empty: The Russians use the tankers to carry fuel for Syrian Army vehicles at the bases where the chemical weapons are stored, and the ammo carriers carry in conventional rounds of the same caliber as the chemical rounds they are carrying out.

The Russians are using the chemical weapons disposal to resupply Assad’s army.

253 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:43:35am
254 Dr. Matt  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:43:49am

re: #250 sattv4u2

Looks to be more of a financial ting than a racist thing. Looks as if the headline writer added the “even black people”. I mean,,,”willing to fightANYONE” would include that, no
He’s most likely un-employable so he s to take any opportunity to make money

Georgie is innate racist irrespective of this latest embarrassing venture.

255 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:45:43am

re: #248 Killgore Trout

Putin says everything is fine
Russia defends Assad, says chemical arms deadline viable

He says that, but he’s lying. The US and Europe are very cautious about their technical support being too close to Russian forces, since the Russians are sure to have GRU (military intelligence) personnel in any such force.

256 Lidane  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:47:44am

Oh hey. Look at that. Turns out the horror story of “Bette in Spokane” that Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers talked about in her SOTU response is total bullshit.

In a familiar situation, the horror story isn’t as horrible as we’d been led to believe. In this case, “Bette in Spokane” didn’t have a health care plan so much as she had insurance that covered catastrophic coverage - and nothing else - with a $10,000 deductible.

Because the law transitions consumers from these bare-bones plans to actual coverage - plans that offer meaningful health care security - she had to choose real insurance. For reasons that are unclear, “Bette in Spokane” refused to check the exchange marketplace to see if she could find a good deal and instead chose an expensive plan from her existing insurer.

257 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:48:16am

re: #250 sattv4u2

Looks to be more of a financial ting than a racist thing. Looks as if the headline writer added the “even black people”. I mean,,,”willing to fightANYONE” would include that, no
He’s most likely un-employable so he s to take any opportunity to make money

Well, there is a downside to killing an unarmed, innocent 17 yr old kid and getting away with it.

So there is justice of some sort from this. That money is going to his lawyer, so he says. O’Mara will get his satisfaction if no one else does. That “expert” has been paid already and O’Mara wants to be compensated for it ($300K).

Let Georgie sell his guns and other valuables like anyone else has to do who’s on the fucking ropes. Or get a job at McDonald’s. He can stay in the kitchen so no one sees him.

258 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:49:16am

re: #253 Pie-onist Overlord

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Both have old WWII-Red Army style helmets. The bodyguard’s is painted in the typical olive color seen on such helmets, but the medic’s is painted white and marked with a prominent red cross (as per the Geneva Conventions protocols for such personnel).

259 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:49:36am

re: #257 Justanotherhuman

Well, there is a downside to killing an unarmed, innocent 17 yr old kid and getting away with it.

So there is justice of some sort from this. That money is going to his lawyer, so he says. O’Mara will get his satisfaction if no one else does. That “expert” has been paid already and O’Mara wants to be compensated for it ($300K).

Let Georgie sell his guns and other valuables like anyone else has to do who’s on the fucking ropes. Or get a job at McDonald’s. He can stay in the kitchen so no one sees him.

I wouldn’t want him hidden back in the kitchen charged with preparing food that other people will eat.

260 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:50:05am

BBIAB

261 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:50:59am

re: #259 Feline Fearless Leader

I wouldn’t want him hidden back in the kitchen charged with preparing food that other people will eat.

Well, neither would I, but he’s going to wind up doing something like that eventually.

262 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:51:53am

CONSERVATIVE LOGIC 101; Let’s Compare A Hollywood Celebrity To A Fictitious Corporate Executive
Also too: people who work for Ellen are paid Union scale.

263 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:52:42am

re: #261 Justanotherhuman

Well, neither would I, but he’s going to wind up doing something like that eventually.

You mean he won’t be able to find a safe district to run for political office under a “law and order” platform?! ? O_o

264 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:52:59am

re: #257 Justanotherhuman

Or get a job at McDonald’s. He can stay in the kitchen so no one sees him.

Except his co-workers which could lead to confrontations which could lead to incidents

Again, he’s unemployable. Be that good, bad or indifferent, that is the case,

SO ,,, again,,,, the celebrity boxing ,, a money making opportunity and nothing else

265 Lidane  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:53:56am

The GOP’s outreach continues:

266 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:55:25am

I’m disgusted with the world.

you?

267 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:55:49am

bbiab

laptop battery isn’t charging and when I pull the plug from the charger out the laptop shuts down, even though it shows 45% battery power still left

268 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:57:20am

re: #266 FemNaziBitch

I’m disgusted with the world.

you?

Stocking up, and preparing for a supply trip to take advantage of the thaw. Cat food supplies are low.

269 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:57:58am

Just got here and I gotta go.

bbl

270 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 7:59:42am
271 GunstarGreen  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:02:13am

re: #256 Lidane

Oh hey. Look at that. Turns out the horror story of “Bette in Spokane” that Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers talked about in her SOTU response is total bullshit.

Most of the “horror stories” of “massive rate increases” under the ACA are people who don’t actually have any coverage, they just think they do because they’ve bought the insurance company’s BS.

272 Lidane  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:02:21am
273 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:05:43am

Officials are getting their rewards for the crackdown.

YEVROMAYDAN @ euromaidan 1m

Chief of Police Vladimir Sumy Raputi given the rank of colonel. Four days after the bloody dispersal of the Regional Council.

274 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:05:59am
275 Lidane  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:06:24am

How has this lunatic not pulled a Jim Jones yet?

276 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:06:49am

I was afraid this might happen.

277 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:07:15am

re: #275 Lidane

How has this lunatic not pulled a Jim Jones yet?

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Maybe Jim Garrow is the one who is behind the _Molon_Labe_ Twitter account? Just asking questions.

278 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:07:57am

re: #274 Pie-onist Overlord

Ann Romney haz a sad & a butthurt.

Queen Ann won’t give up until she totally embarrasses herself to death.

279 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:08:57am

How many wrong things (i.e. LIES) can you count in this Tweet?

280 Lidane  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:12:49am

*headdesk*

281 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:16:29am

Bukalov must be terrified after his ordeal with a warrant out for him. This is just tragic.

282 BongCrodny  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:17:54am

re: #262 Pie-onist Overlord

CONSERVATIVE LOGIC 101; Let’s Compare A Hollywood Celebrity To A Fictitious Corporate Executive
Also too: people who work for Ellen are paid Union scale.

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I wonder where they got that nonsense from. Everything I’ve read about Ellen Degeneres indicates that she’s extremely charitable, both with money and time.

283 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:20:02am

re: #264 sattv4u2

Or get a job at McDonald’s. He can stay in the kitchen so no one sees him.

Except his co-workers which could lead to confrontations which could lead to incidents

Again, he’s unemployable. Be that good, bad or indifferent, that is the case,

SO ,,, again,,,, the celebrity boxing ,, a money making opportunity and nothing else

I’m fine with letting George Zimmerman box, but I’d like to suggest making Mike Tyson his first opponent. Tyson has gotten on in years, but I think he’d still be able to beat the whole howlin’ bejesus out of George Zimmerman.

284 Lidane  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:21:02am

And because derp isn’t limited to the RWNJs—

Chemtrails! False flag! Gubmint weather control!

285 Gus  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:21:55am

re: #283 Dark_Falcon

I’m fine with letting George Zimmerman box, but I’d like to suggest making Mike Tyson his first opponent. Tyson has gotten on in years, but I think he’d still be able to beat the whole howlin’ bejesus out of George Zimmerman.

Hand he might bite Zimmerman’s ear off for extra bonus points.

286 GunstarGreen  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:23:01am

re: #282 BongCrodny

I wonder where they got that nonsense from. Everything I’ve read about Ellen Degeneres indicates that she’s extremely charitable, both with money and time.

From their ass, it’s where they get everything.

If we’re going to go with the “the business owner is charitable because the jobs he ‘creates’ end up giving more money to people” angle, then we also have to consider how many people have jobs because they’re working on one of the celebrity’s films. They wouldn’t have those jobs if there weren’t celebrities to be filmed.

But that’s not important. Have this rock-stupid analogy I pulled out of my ass, because my target audience is known to be remarkably stupid and incapable of any independent thought.

287 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:23:24am

re: #282 BongCrodny

I wonder where they got that nonsense from. Everything I’ve read about Ellen Degeneres indicates that she’s extremely charitable, both with money and time.

Ellen has a very popular show and is an astute business woman to boot. Americans love their entertainment, obviously. And in the scheme of things, a lot more than 50 people are employed, I’d bet. Just her personal employees and those of various companies she hires are probably more than 50 people. Is that tweet going to change that? I don’t think so.

The jealousy and resentment just oozes from that tweet. Of course the basis of it is that fact that not only is Ellen a woman, she’s a lesbian. She’s not worthy seems to be the message.

288 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:23:34am

“Specialty care” = quacks.

289 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:24:17am

re: #279 Pie-onist Overlord

How many wrong things (i.e. LIES) can you count in this Tweet?

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I see two politicians putting their cart before the draft animal. They may be worried said animal will turn out to be a donkey and kick them.

290 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:24:18am

re: #282 BongCrodny

I wonder where they got that nonsense from. Everything I’ve read about Ellen Degeneres indicates that she’s extremely charitable, both with money and time.

I think they just made it up because not only is Ellen a woman she is TEH GHEY.

291 Lidane  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:26:42am

re: #283 Dark_Falcon

I’m fine with letting George Zimmerman box, but I’d like to suggest making Mike Tyson his first opponent. Tyson has gotten on in years, but I think he’d still be able to beat the whole howlin’ bejesus out of George Zimmerman.

Nah. Put Zimmerman in the UFC octagon and let those guys knock some sense into him.

292 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:26:44am

re: #288 Pie-onist Overlord

“Specialty care” = quacks.

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Not so, Ma’am. Specialty care can refer to items such as rehabilitation services or more highly specialized treatment options. That article isn’t long enough to provide sufficient detail to evaluate the situation.

293 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:26:51am
294 Gus  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:27:01am

re: #284 Lidane

And because derp isn’t limited to the RWNJs—

Chemtrails! False flag! Gubmint weather control!

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295 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:29:30am

re: #275 Lidane

How has this lunatic not pulled a Jim Jones yet?

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Give him time…..sooner or later, he’ll pull a Jim Jones.

Hopefully, just on himself and he won’t take any innocent people with him.

296 Gus  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:29:40am

Some idiot put up a video of his moron self putting a torch to a “snow ball.” It just sits there and starts burning like plastic and turning black. Even the folks at Liveleak called it out as psycho bullshit. Fuck these people.

297 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:33:51am

HURR HURR BECAUSE THEY ARE TEH MAKERS, TEH PRODUCERS & TEH JRRB CREEYATERZ!!11!!! NOT TEH LOW SKILLED MOOCHERS TAKERZ PARASITES WHO STOCK TEH SHELVES & FLIP TEH BURGERS & BUY ALL TEH STUFFS WITH THERE FOOD STAMPZ!!11!!!!!!!

298 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:33:58am

Oh hell. Google translation.

Telizhenko says # Bulatov unconscious, he is worse. Police “trying to do something, but it is not clear”, ie not very active.

299 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:35:14am

Just like the IDF…

300 Gus  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:35:52am

re: #299 Pie-onist Overlord

Just like the IDF…

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Turbans are Islamic?

301 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:37:16am

re: #299 Pie-onist Overlord

Just like the IDF…

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The ‘beards and turbans’ exception was sought by Sikhs, not Muslims. Not that the Shrieking Harpy understands such things.

302 Lidane  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:38:43am

re: #299 Pie-onist Overlord

I’ve been waiting for Pamela to freak out about that. I think I posted a tweet of a Sikh man in his Army uniform, beard, turban, and all, last week.

All the booze is slowing her outrage reflexes.

303 Bulworth  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:39:07am

re: #288 Pie-onist Overlord

“foxews” is pretty, um…special

304 Gus  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:39:15am

OK, are you ready?

#FakeSnow

305 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:39:23am

re: #284 Lidane

And because derp isn’t limited to the RWNJs—

Chemtrails! False flag! Gubmint weather control!

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Alex Jones pal.

306 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:39:34am

re: #301 Dark_Falcon

The ‘beards and turbans’ exception was sought by Sikhs, not Muslims. Not that the Shrieking Harpy understands such things.

Also too: Orthodox Jewish men wear beards and skullcaps.

Although when my son was in the IDF Nahal Haredi, he shaved his beard after the first training session face down in the mud.

307 Gus  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:40:31am

I’ve got a bear beard and a watchcap. :D

308 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:40:46am

re: #300 Gus

Turbans are Islamic?

Many Muslim men wear them, but Islam does not require them. Sikhism does require them and other Anglosphere nations have long allowed for this be having special turbans designed that go along with the uniforms or work attire required for the job.

The US military is simply catching up with the times and like the UK and Canada will stipulate the colors and styles of turbans to be worn on duty.

309 Gus  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:40:57am

Er. Beard. No bears here.

310 Lidane  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:41:28am

re: #305 wrenchwench


Alex Jones pal.

Not surprising. I skimmed the article and it sounded like the authentic frontier gibberish that Alex Jones peddles.

311 Bulworth  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:44:55am

re: #302 Lidane

Earlier in week I read a piece on the farm bill, which was recently approved in a House-Senate Conference. It included a provision to increase government purchases of kosher and Halal for distribution to soup kitchens (paraphrase). Anyway, saw the “halal” part in particular and thought it wouldn’t be long before AG FOOD STAMP WELFARE BILL CREEPING SHARIAH!!1.

312 Chrysicat  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:46:14am

re: #278 Justanotherhuman

Queen Ann won’t give up until she totally embarrasses herself to death.

We…lost…by not electing the guy who thinks Putin’s the best world leader at this moment. THANKS, idiot!

313 Bulworth  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:46:25am

re: #304 Gus

Truth. Confirmed. FACTS. I saw snow come down and then it disappeared after it hit the ground. /

314 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:46:37am

I just saw this tweet and am only posting it because of the word out below that Bulatov is also suffering from a concussion and some of the kinds of wounds he sustained. Google translation:

”# Donetsk, wounded chief editor of “On the town”! Three people State beat bats and a hammer! # yevromaydan”


6:21 p.m., Jan. 31 — Dmytro Bulatov has undergone surgical treatment of wounds and is currently kept in one of private hospitals in Kiev recovering from numerous wounds and head concussion.

“I was brutally beaten, had a bag on my head and I was subjected to very severe torture, but nevertheless they will not be able to intimidate us and we are not going to stop,” Bulatov said, speaking from his hospital bed in a video address, posted on his Facebook by his friend and one more Automaidan activist Oleksiy Hrytsenko.

“He keeps well despite these bastards applied all kinds of torture to him,” Hrytsenko wrote.

Police, however, placed both Bulatov and Hrytsenko on the wanted list over organizing of mass disturbances. Mykola Kniazhytsky, lawmaker of the opposition Batkivshchyna Party said on his Facebook that the police came to arrest Bulatov at Boris Kyiv hospitals and asked lawmakers and jopurnalists to arrive there asap.

Police announced several versions of Buklatov’s disappearance, including “kidnapping aimed at provocations to anger society,” Oleh Tatarov, deputy head of police main investigative department said on press briefing on Jan 31. — Oksana Grytsenko

kyivpost.com

315 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:46:49am

re: #279 Pie-onist Overlord

How many wrong things (i.e. LIES) can you count in this Tweet?

Energy independence? Where is this oil coming from? From under Canadian soil/tar sands doesn’t it? Guess there might be a small amount coming from somewhere in far NorthWest USA. Is this correct? Is Cruz working for Canadian oil companies too?

316 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:48:49am

re: #311 Bulworth

Earlier in week I read a piece on the farm bill, which was recently approved in a House-Senate Conference. It included a provision to increase government purchases of kosher and Halal for distribution to soup kitchens (paraphrase). Anyway, saw the “halal” part in particular and thought it wouldn’t be long before AG FOOD STAMP WELFARE BILL CREEPING SHARIAH!!1.

If that meme shows up it won’t make a difference. The completed farm bill is too important to get stopped by it. The House leadership will simply ignore a DERPing and call the vote, which will pass the bill. Then of course, Pam Geller will once again scream “Betrayal!!1”, but few will listen. Rural members of Congress will point to the bacon they brought home to their districts and even most wingnuts will agree it was worth ‘letting sharia creep a little.’

317 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:51:17am

Yay for doctors!

318 Gus  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:51:57am
319 Lidane  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:53:18am
320 Gus  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:53:39am

BUY GOLD!

321 makeitstop  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:54:06am

re: #315 Eventual Carrion

Energy independence? Where is this oil coming from? From under Canadian soil/tar sands doesn’t it? Guess there might be a small amount coming from somewhere in far NorthWest USA. Is this correct? Is Cruz working for Canadian oil companies too?

Wouldn’t whatever Keystone yields just be exported anyway? I seem to remember reading that somewhere.

322 Lidane  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:54:15am

re: #318 Gus

Ron Paul nutter.

“Shepard Ambellas” +”Ron Paul” - Google Search

Alex Jones and Ron Paul? All we need now is ties to the Mises Institute or some Ayn Rand quotes. Heh.

323 Gus  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:55:02am

re: #322 Lidane

Alex Jones and Ron Paul? All we need now is ties to the Mises Institute or some Ayn Rand quotes. Heh.

Lew Rockwell… ABRAHAM LINCOLN WAS A TYRANT!!!!

324 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:55:05am

re: #311 Bulworth

Earlier in week I read a piece on the farm bill, which was recently approved in a House-Senate Conference. It included a provision to increase government purchases of kosher and Halal for distribution to soup kitchens (paraphrase). Anyway, saw the “halal” part in particular and thought it wouldn’t be long before AG FOOD STAMP WELFARE BILL CREEPING SHARIAH!!1.

Yep, creeping Shariah, Islamism, oh shit, we’re all gonna die.

//

*facepalm*

325 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:56:34am

re: #324 Dr Lizardo

we’re all gonna die.

Not me

I plan on living forever!

So Far,So Good!!!

326 Flounder  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 8:59:53am

re: #270 Pie-onist Overlord

is that Radar?
(from M.A.S.H. you youngins)

327 CriticalDragon1177  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:00:03am

re: #301 Dark_Falcon

The ‘beards and turbans’ exception was sought by Sikhs, not Muslims. Not that the Shrieking Harpy understands such things.

Geller should have done her research, not that she ever does that, or that her ridiculous conspiracy theories are based in fact.

328 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:02:14am

re: #326 Flounder

is that Radar?
(from M.A.S.H. you youngins)

heh

Looks like him, OR,,, if Radar and Karl Rove were to have a baby

329 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:02:53am

re: #306 Pie-onist Overlord

Also too: Orthodox Jewish men wear beards and skullcaps.

Although when my son was in the IDF Nahal Haredi, he shaved his beard after the first training session face down in the mud.

Yea… I can see how a beard full of mud could motivate one in that direction.

RBS

330 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:03:23am

HURR HURRRRR!!!11!!
These are GEORGIA LOCAL POLICE not “OBAMA” Police you dipshit. Odds are they are probably white & GOP.

331 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:04:36am

I wonder if anyone has ever pointed out to “Conservative News” that his avi looks like 2 Marines kissing.

332 Gus  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:04:54am

re: #330 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURRRRR!!!11!!
These are GEORGIA LOCAL POLICE not “OBAMA” Police you dipshit. Odds are they are probably white & GOP.

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Yes, because before Obama GEORGIA cops were never a pain in the ass. Sometimes quite literally.

333 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:06:26am

re: #330 Pie-onist Overlord

Odds are they are probably white & GOP.

The photo shows a white local officer with a black officer from the Sherrifs dept,,, so,,,,, no

334 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:06:27am

re: #330 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURRRRR!!!11!!
These are GEORGIA LOCAL POLICE not “OBAMA” Police you dipshit. Odds are they are probably white & GOP.

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Now Pie-onist, how many times have we asked you to not confuse the RWNJs with little things like facts, truth and logic. You are being very cruel to them when you do that. If you do it again, expect… ah…. oh to hell with it, give ‘em both barrels.

RBS

335 iossarian  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:06:39am

It’s still cold where I live.

ALL OBAMA’S FAULT

336 BongCrodny  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:07:14am

337 Gus  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:07:15am

re: #335 iossarian

It’s still cold where I live.

ALL OBAMA’S FAULT

FREEZING TEMPERATURES ARE A FALSE FLAG!!!!!!!!!

#Fakecold

338 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:07:27am

re: #335 iossarian

It’s still cold where I live.

ALL OBAMA’S FAULT

It’s going to rain Tuesday… It’s ObamaRain.

RBS

339 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:08:06am

re: #321 makeitstop

Wouldn’t whatever Keystone yields just be exported anyway? I seem to remember reading that somewhere.

More than likely. From what I understand it is to be refined in the states. This refining will take place in factories that have not been expanded nor upgraded much in YEARS. No more employees will be added there because they are working at peak capacity now. I still have not seen a breakdown of where all these jobs will be created and maintained. They might get a couple, few years out of construction jobs that will go away once construction is finished. Nothing long term, except maybe a few inspectors for the pipeline (if they bother). Then all that refined petroleum will hit the open world market, where they can get the price they need to keep the pipeline and expense of getting the oil and refining the very low grade crude profitable. We in the US will carry on as usual never seeing any significant drop in prices because that is not in the energy companies best interest. As for the US citizens best interest, fuck them!

340 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:09:00am

re: #319 Lidane

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Did Jamestown Associates help a Socialist get elected in Albania? Or, were they helping Sali Berisha of the center-right Democratic Party? They didn’t say…

jamestownassociates.com

341 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:09:14am

re: #330 Pie-onist Overlord

re: #333 sattv4u2

Odds are they are probably white & GOP.

The photo shows a white local officer with a black officer from the Sherrifs dept,,, so,,,,, no

And the video from DeKalb County shows two black officers doing the search (with one white officer from the K 9 unit looking on)

342 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:09:27am

re: #321 makeitstop

Wouldn’t whatever Keystone yields just be exported anyway? I seem to remember reading that somewhere.

yes. And the Port Arthur facility dedicated to Keystone XL operates in a Foreign Trade Zone that essential waives taxes on exported oil products.
So, American taxpayers are subsidizing not only the pipeline and refineries, but also will not see any tax revenue benefits.
The only ones that will benefit are Keystone investors and Canada.

Finally, all the refineries that will receive Keystone XL tar sands crude operate are in a Foreign Trade Zone (FTZ), which gives tax benefits to companies that use imported components to manufacture items within the United States (FTZ Act - 19 USC 81a-81u). Usually, refineries importing oil tax-free will still pay taxes when selling the refined products into the U.S. market. By both importing into and exporting from foreign trade zones the companies will avoid paying tax on the product sales. In other words, it’s a great deal for the oil industry, and a raw deal for the taxpayer.

priceofoil.org

343 iossarian  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:10:07am

re: #338 RealityBasedSteve

It’s going to rain Tuesday… It’s ObamaRain.

RBS

Man, I wish that ObamaRain would stop. I could really do with some GOPSunshine.

Have you noticed how, ever since Obama got elected, Post Office staff are rude and unhelpful?

I remember when Dubya was president, the police were just so much friendlier.

344 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:10:15am

re: #333 sattv4u2

Odds are they are probably white & GOP.

The photo shows a white local officer with a black officer from the Sherrifs dept,,, so,,,,, no

One is an Obot race-traitor and the other is a thug in uniform!

I wish I was kidding, but I have a feeling that the wingnut Alouette just exposed would say that if attention was called to the photo.

345 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:12:25am

re: #341 sattv4u2

And the video from DeKalb County shows two black officers doing the search (with one white officer from the K 9 unit looking on)

So, Conservative isn’t griping about the stop and searches, they’re complaining about Black cops (“Obama Police”).

346 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:12:27am
Comments at Atlas Shrugs are unmoderated. Posts using foul language, as well as abusive, hateful, libelous and genocidal posts, will be deleted if seen. However, if a comment remains on the site, it in no way constitutes an endorsed by Pamela Geller of the sentiments contained therein

Even her disclaimer is illiterate.

347 Gus  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:12:56am

Yes. You’re whole existence is a *false flag.* In fact, right now you’re sitting in a government computer somewhere near Langley, Virginia. You are nothing but electronic impulses on a giant government mainframe! You are the false flag!

//

348 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:13:56am

re: #345 Justanotherhuman

So, Conservative isn’t griping about the stop and searches, they’re complaining about Black cops (“Obama Police”).

Didn’t say that

I did state that Alouette was wrong in her Odds are they are probably white & GOP. assumption

349 CriticalDragon1177  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:14:04am

Hey guys, American Family Association activist, Tim Wildmon, says he has gaydar!

Youtube Video

rightwingwatch.org

350 BusyMonster  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:14:15am

re: #47 Gus

University Drops Student Health Insurance Due to Obamacare t.co Should Obama be hung for treason

So the private market not doing what conservatives want it to means Obama is committing treason?

How fucking dumb are these people anyway?

351 Skip Intro  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:14:19am

re: #209 Pie-onist Overlord

Is this the Holocaust Of Teh Richs that Tom Perkins is warning everyone about? I did not click on the link because Frank Gaffney.

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It’s called Reductio ad Hitlerum, and everybody on the right is doing it.

352 BongCrodny  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:14:32am

re: #340 Justanotherhuman

Did Jamestown Associates help a Socialist get elected in Albania? Or, were they helping Sali Berisha of the center-right Democratic Party? They didn’t say…

jamestownassociates.com

Albania, Albania
You border on the Adriatic
Your land is mostly mountainous
And your chief export is chrome.

Cheers ruined Albania for me. To this day, I cannot even look at the word “Albania” without thinking of that song.

353 Lidane  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:14:46am
354 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:15:11am

re: #346 wrenchwench

Even her disclaimer is illiterate.

Posts using foul language, as well as abusive, hateful, libelous and genocidal posts, will be deleted if seen.

If that was the case, her entire site would be empty.

355 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:15:32am

re: #348 sattv4u2

Didn’t say that

I did state that Alouette was wrong in her Odds are they are probably white & GOP. assumption

I didn’t say you said that. I merely pointed out the obvious.

The “Conservative” twatter was complaining about the cops being Black.

We know that.

356 Gus  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:15:38am

re: #346 wrenchwench

Even her disclaimer is illiterate.

LIBEL!!!

357 Bulworth  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:15:58am

re: #330 Pie-onist Overlord

Obama so incompetent but equally evil and dictatorial is even controlling and dictatoring police in Georgia!!!111!

/

358 Gus  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:16:23am

re: #355 Justanotherhuman

I didn’t say you said that. I merely pointed out the obvious.

The “Conservative” twatter was complaining about the cops being Black.

We know that.

Ah. So “black cops” = “OBAMA POLICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

359 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:16:54am

re: #355 Justanotherhuman

I didn’t say you said that. I merely pointed out the obvious.

The “Conservative” twatter was complaining about the cops being Black.

We know that.

But they weren’t

They were BOTH

The last video, Forest Park,, two white cops

360 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:18:10am

re: #256 Lidane

Oh hey. Look at that. Turns out the horror story of “Bette in Spokane” that Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers talked about in her SOTU response is total bullshit.

What do you bet that Bette Grenier doesn’t use vaccines either?

361 Bulworth  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:18:44am

re: #353 Lidane

Delusional and treasonous is no way to go through life, son.

362 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:18:56am

re: #350 BusyMonster

So the private market not doing what conservatives want it to means Obama is committing treason?

How fucking dumb are these people anyway?

Probably a better deal for the students anyway. If they’re not on their parents’ insurance they can be added; if they’re independent and have little income, they can qualify for Medicaid.

Win-win.

363 Skip Intro  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:19:17am

re: #247 Dr. Matt

It’s only a matter of time before Georgie and Bristol are teamed up for a reality show.

They’re both single, aren’t they? They ought to get married to each other and join their two families into a Kennedy-like power alliance. It would send the RWNJ wing of the GOP - which is all of it now - into orgasm.

364 Stanley Sea  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:19:45am

re: #352 BongCrodny

Albania, Albania
You border on the Adriatic
Your land is mostly mountainous
And your chief export is chrome.

Cheers ruined Albania for me. To this day, I cannot even look at the word “Albania” without thinking of that song.

Ditto.

Remember Coach!!!

365 Gus  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:19:57am

re: #359 sattv4u2

But they weren’t

They were BOTH

The last video, Forest Park,, two white cops

Whatever the case the Tweet is stupid. There is no “Obama police.”

366 Please Proceed  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:20:08am

re: #361 Bulworth

Delusional and treasonous is no way to go through life, son.

I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they’ve always worked for me. Hunter S. Thompson.

367 Stanley Sea  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:20:30am

re: #352 BongCrodny

Albania, Albania
You border on the Adriatic
Your land is mostly mountainous
And your chief export is chrome.

Cheers ruined Albania for me. To this day, I cannot even look at the word “Albania” without thinking of that song.

My memory is this:

Albania, Albania
You border on the Adriatic
You’re communist, a red regime
And your chief export is coal.

HA

368 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:20:57am

re: #366 Iwouldprefernotto

I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they’ve always worked for me. Hunter S. Thompson.

At least until he blew his brains out.

369 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:21:32am

re: #365 Gus

Whatever the case the Tweet is stupid. There is no “Obama police.”

HURR HURRRR!!!1!!! BARRY EVEN SAID HE WANTED A NATIONAL GESTAPO POLICE FORCE!!!11!!! HEAR IS A LINK TO WORLD NET DAILY!!!1!!!

370 Gus  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:22:12am

re: #369 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURRRR!!!1!!! BARRY EVEN SAID HE WANTED A NATIONAL GESTAPO POLICE FORCE!!!11!!! HEAR IS A LINK TO WORLD NET DAILY!!!1!!!

With bonus OBAMASNOW!!!

371 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:23:02am

re: #274 Pie-onist Overlord

Ann Romney haz a sad & a butthurt.

“We made enough mistakes that we take responsibility, I take responsibility for those mistakes, and I wish we could go back and make it better, but time moves on,” he said.

Sorry, Mitt, but I don’t think you can learn.

372 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:23:28am

re: #359 sattv4u2

But they weren’t

They were BOTH

The last video, Forest Park,, two white cops

That was added to be a CYA so people could say, look, the last video, Forest Park, two white cops. Wow, you are easily fooled. : )

373 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:23:38am

re: #365 Gus

Whatever the case the Tweet is stupid. There is no “Obama police.”

Again, my comment had nothing to do with the tweet per se

it did have to do with Alouettes assumption that >>Odds are they are probably white

374 Skip Intro  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:25:03am

re: #283 Dark_Falcon

I’m fine with letting George Zimmerman box, but I’d like to suggest making Mike Tyson his first opponent. Tyson has gotten on in years, but I think he’d still be able to beat the whole howlin’ bejesus out of George Zimmerman.

I think Zimmerman was thinking more of someone like Gary Coleman, but damn it all, he’s dead!

375 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:25:23am

re: #283 Dark_Falcon

I’m fine with letting George Zimmerman box, but I’d like to suggest making Mike Tyson his first opponent. Tyson has gotten on in years, but I think he’d still be able to beat the whole howlin’ bejesus out of George Zimmerman.

I suspect a speed bag will offer a tougher challenge for Tyson than Zimmerman.

376 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:25:52am

re: #374 Skip Intro

I think Zimmerman was thinking more of someone like Gary Coleman, but damn it all, he’s dead!

Well there is always Peter Dinklage. But he could totally kick Zimmerman’s ass.

377 Lidane  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:26:14am

*sigh*

So according to Marco Rubio, the GOP might well kill immigration reform because Benghazi. Yes, really:

For his part, Rubio said Republicans told him they feared a repeat of President Ronald Reagan’s immigration overhaul that gave about 3 million immigrants legal immigration status without following through with corresponding security improvements.

Rubio said other lawmakers brought up controversies that have dogged the administration and been favorite lines of criticism among conservatives. They includes the rocky rollout of the new health law and the disclosures about surveillance programs conducted by the National Security Agency.

“They pointed to the IRS scandal and the Benghazi stuff and then the NSA revelations and then the ‘Obamacare’ decisions by this administration as evidence of how the government and this administration unilaterally decides which portions of the law to enforce and which ones not to enforce. And that further undermines,” Rubio said.

378 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:26:39am

re: #376 Pie-onist Overlord

Well there is always Peter Dinklage. But he could totally kick Zimmerman’s ass.

Maybe Tonya Harding. She did some “celebrity boxing”. She could probably kick his ass, too, though.

379 Skip Intro  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:27:26am

re: #271 GunstarGreen

Most of the “horror stories” of “massive rate increases” under the ACA are people who don’t actually have any coverage, they just think they do because they’ve bought the insurance company’s BS.

You want a rate increase? I’ll give you a rate increase.

Anthem to raise some premiums as much as 25%
Up to 306,000 Californians with older, individual Anthem health insurance policies — unchanged by Obamacare — are subject to the rate increases.

latimes.com

380 iossarian  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:27:38am

re: #371 Romantic Heretic

Sorry, Mitt, but I don’t think you can learn.

It’s a classic error of the right though: “if only we’d *connected* better with the voters, we could have won”.

No - your policies are shit, and people are turned off by the fact that although you’re preaching austerity, you have an elevator for your cars in mansion #4 and a jacuzzi for your horse in mansion #7.

381 BongCrodny  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:27:56am

re: #367 Stanley Sea

My memory is this:

Albania, Albania
You border on the Adriatic
You’re communist, a red regime
And your chief export is coal.

HA

You could be right.

I just remembered the part up to Adriatic, then I had to look up the other two lines. :-)

382 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:29:20am
383 iossarian  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:29:51am

What’s more boring than being in a town hall-style research consortium meeting?

Listening to a pre-recorded town hall-style research consortium meeting on your desktop computer, because you missed it live.

384 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:30:47am

re: #377 Lidane

*sigh*

So according to Marco Rubio, the GOP might well kill immigration reform because Benghazi. Yes, really:

He has a point there. For immigration reform to work, its going to need trust and part of that trust is making sure it can’t be “juked” at a later date by a president to favor his party. My own preference would be to establish in the immigration reform law that executive orders may not be issued for the law’s implementation. If something goes wrong, then Congress needs to change the law. The result would be slow and cumbersome, but it would eliminate the EO concern.

385 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:33:09am

re: #352 BongCrodny

Albania, Albania
You border on the Adriatic
Your land is mostly mountainous
And your chief export is chrome.

Cheers ruined Albania for me. To this day, I cannot even look at the word “Albania” without thinking of that song.

Then there is Lower Elbonia.

Chief export: Mud and rectal thermometers.


An aside:
Q: What is the difference between an oral thermometer and a rectal thermometer?

A: The taste.

386 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:33:27am

Re: the possible Zimmerman “boxing match”

There won’t be any ass kicking going on!
The combatants will most likely be wearing those comically large boxing gloves along with full headgear
There will be some pushing, shoving and swinging punches in the general direction of the “opponents” But if anyone lands on the canvas it will be the result of his (or her) own clumsiness rather than a decisive blow struck

387 Lidane  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:33:39am

re: #384 Dark_Falcon

The “EO concern” is bullshit.

388 Gus  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:33:52am

Was just outside looking at the fake snow.

//

389 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:34:32am

Tag Team: White House Joins With Congress to Take Aim at Ukraine

thecable.foreignpolicy.com

“A State Department official said that the administration hasn’t determined whether to implement the sanctions. Still, the fact that punitive measures are even under consideration highlights the administration’s growing disapproval of the violence spreading throughout the Ukraine — and its potential willingness to act.

“It’s a shot across the bow to those Ukrainian officials who we believe are responsible for the violence,” said a congressional aide recently briefed by the State Department, one of the two government agencies that would be involved in any sanctions work.

“Formally laying the groundwork for sanctions is no small task given the amount of paperwork involved in identifying the individuals responsible for the fighting and calculating and locating their assets, the aide said. Actually imposing the measures would be even tougher because it would require action both by the State Department, which would be charged with putting travel bans on key Ukrainian officials, and the Treasury Department, which would handle the financial piece. “

390 Gus  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:35:20am

Ski areas bust their ass to make artificial snow. Apparently they’re missing out on this new technology to create fake snow over thousands of square miles.

//

391 jaunte  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:35:52am
Wal-Mart Stores Inc. said Friday that U.S. sales figures for its fiscal fourth quarter would probably come in below earlier forecasts when they’re announced Feb. 20 due to the effects of volatile weather and cuts to the federal food stamp program.

Well look at that; food stamps actually affecting sales results; go figure.

392 Gus  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:37:02am

Apparently they’ll create fake snow to “socially engineer” the humans but they can’t make fake rain to raise crops which result in billions of dollars in profit.

//

393 iossarian  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:37:14am

re: #390 Gus

Ski areas bust their ass to make artificial snow. Apparently they’re missing out on this new technology to create fake snow over thousands of square miles.

//

They don’t have access to skynet technology though.

394 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:37:42am

re: #391 jaunte

Well look at that; food stamps actually affecting sales results; go figure.

That reminds me of what a wingnut said to me when I told him that it is in a company’s interest to pay their workers enough to be able to buy the products they sell:

HURR HURR!!11!!! SO EVERYBODY WHO WORKS AT MERCEDES SHOULD BE ABLE TO BUY A MERCEDES!!11!!!!!

WTF

395 Gus  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:38:16am

re: #393 iossarian

They don’t have access to skynet technology though.

“OK, let’s skip the fake rain to end the drought and skip to the fake snow to fuck with their heads!” //

396 Gus  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:39:18am

Next major earthquake… false flag.

#fakeearthquake

397 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:40:08am

re: #377 Lidane

*sigh*

So according to Marco Rubio, the GOP might well kill immigration reform because Benghazi. Yes, really:

But of course, it’s the same old song and dance, the GOP saying “Sure, we’ll consider letting them live here legally,” but then making such a decision contingent on certain conditions being met, with the decision on whether they’ve been met left up to fellow Republicans or state governments which are invested in not agreeing that the conditions have been met.

398 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:40:44am

So I was looking around, and lo and behold, this caught my eye:

dailymail.co.uk

Yes. tATu is apparently going to perform at the Opening Ceremonies of the Sochi Winter Olympics.

Let that sink in for a moment. tATu. A pop duo who became famous by exploiting pseudo-lesbian chic.

In Russia.

Putin’s anti-gay Russia.

399 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:41:00am

re: #277 Pie-onist Overlord

On the Internet, everyone can be Emily Litella. Just never mind them.

400 iossarian  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:41:10am

There’s a robot drone squirrel outside my window. It’s pretending to look for nuts in the fake snow but really it’s recording my every move with the cameras hidden in its beady little eyes.

BUT I’M ON TO THEM.

401 BongCrodny  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:42:32am

re: #400 iossarian

There’s a robot drone squirrel outside my window. It’s pretending to look for nuts in the fake snow but really it’s recording my every move with the cameras hidden in its beady little eyes.

BUT I’M ON TO THEM.

They don’t really hibernate, you know — it’s just the batteries wearing down.

402 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:42:53am

re: #394 Pie-onist Overlord

That reminds me of what a wingnut said to me when I told him that it is in a company’s interest to pay their workers enough to be able to buy the products they sell:

HURR HURR!!11!!! SO EVERYBODY WHO WORKS AT MERCEDES SHOULD BE ABLE TO BUY A MERCEDES!!11!!!!!

WTF

It’s customary to consider Mercedes a luxury maker here in the US but that’s a bias because only high profit autos are imported by them. My memory from my time in Germany is that they produced a fairly wide cross section of automobiles so that for a healthy company and economy, yes, the people on the line should be able to buy a moderately priced Mercedes auto just as Henry Ford’s workers could afford Model T & Model A autos.

403 iossarian  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:43:10am

re: #398 Dr Lizardo

Gay bashing men can be surprisingly cool with sexy pseudo-lesbian cavorting in pop acts and the like.

404 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:43:11am

re: #376 Pie-onist Overlord

Well there is always Peter Dinklage. But he could totally kick Zimmerman’s ass.

Danny Bonaduce!

405 Gus  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:43:29am

re: #400 iossarian

There’s a robot drone squirrel outside my window. It’s pretending to look for nuts in the fake snow but really it’s recording my every move with the cameras hidden in its beady little eyes.

BUT I’M ON TO THEM.

Hamster in a sweater? Another false flag. //

406 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:43:34am

And to show that all the GOP talking about how they’re suddenly interested in immigration reform is the same old bullshit…

407 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:43:54am

re: #401 BongCrodny

They don’t really hibernate, you know — it’s just the batteries wearing down.

You mean like this?

Youtube Video

408 Gus  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:44:22am

re: #404 Eventual Carrion

Danny Bonaduce!

Carrot Top

409 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:44:39am

The last “celebrity” boxing match I remember reading about was Octomom…

410 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:44:44am

re: #324 Dr Lizardo

Yep, creeping Shariah, Islamism, oh shit, we’re all gonna die.

//

*facepalm*

Just spread a rumor that Monsanto is gene-modding plants to make them halal/kosher on the stalk. And then sit back and watch the heads explode.

//

411 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:45:58am

re: #410 Feline Fearless Leader

Just spread a rumor that Monsanto is gene-modding plants to make them halal/kosher on the stalk. And then sit back and watch the heads explode.

//

lolol

Put that on Pammy’s site. Heh.

412 Bulworth  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:46:12am

HURR HURR!!11!!! SO EVERYBODY WHO WORKS AT MERCEDES SHOULD BE ABLE TO BUY A MERCEDES!!11!!!!!

I’d be very interested to know how, exactly, thoughts such as this are implanted into certain individuals. I mean, who thinks like this? And how are people programmed to spit out such garble upon demand? We should devote more research to these and other questions.

413 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:46:20am

re: #389 Justanotherhuman

Tag Team: White House Joins With Congress to Take Aim at Ukraine

thecable.foreignpolicy.com

I think it’s interesting that most of out major foreign policy troubles (Iran, Syria, Ukraine) have one common element: Russia. The Russians can coordinate our troubles and compound our headaches. It’ll be interesting to see how they play this.

414 Gus  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:46:38am

Mr. T is probably too old.

415 Bulworth  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:46:56am

re: #406 Targetpractice

I’ve run out of surprises to show you

416 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:47:27am

re: #384 Dark_Falcon

He has a point there. For immigration reform to work, its going to need trust and part of that trust is making sure it can’t be “juked” at a later date by a president to favor his party. My own preference would be to establish in the immigration reform law that executive orders may not be issued for the law’s implementation. If something goes wrong, then Congress needs to change the law. The result would be slow and cumbersome, but it would eliminate the EO concern.

Trust is not any part of the current political climate. The sudden need for it is just the next excuse the Republicans are putting out there for screwing all the undocumented Americans who are eventually going to become citizens and rightfully kick that party’s ass across the continent.

417 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:48:14am

Shorter wrenchwench:

re: #387 Lidane

The “EO concern” is bullshit.

418 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:49:47am

re: #412 Bulworth

HURR HURR!!11!!! SO EVERYBODY WHO WORKS AT MERCEDES SHOULD BE ABLE TO BUY A MERCEDES!!11!!!!!

I’d be very interested to know how, exactly, thoughts such as this are implanted into certain individuals. I mean, who thinks like this? And how are people programmed to spit out such garble upon demand? We should devote more research to these and other questions.

It is a talking point that wingnuts spew out whenever you bring up Henry Ford’s $5/day plan.

419 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:50:26am

re: #394 Pie-onist Overlord

That reminds me of what a wingnut said to me when I told him that it is in a company’s interest to pay their workers enough to be able to buy the products they sell:

HURR HURR!!11!!! SO EVERYBODY WHO WORKS AT MERCEDES SHOULD BE ABLE TO BUY A MERCEDES!!11!!!!!

WTF

When BMW opened their new plant near Greenville, SC years ago, they actually did pay enough for their employees to buy new BMWs. Everyone was talking about it. They were the best jobs those people had ever seen.

420 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:51:19am

re: #418 Pie-onist Overlord

It is a talking point that wingnuts spew out whenever you bring up Henry Ford’s $5/day plan.

The GOP $5/day plan is to raise the minimum wage to $10; but limit employees to only working 30 minutes a day. Job creation!
////

421 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:51:43am

Paying the consequences of free speech….
Russian cable operators take liberal TV channel off air

Russia’s leading liberal television channel Dozhd (Rain) TV has been taken off air by several of the country’s cable operators after the station published a controversial online poll about the Siege of Leningrad. On Sunday, a day before the 70th anniversary of the siege, Dozhd TV asked readers whether Leningrad (now St Petersburg), should have been surrendered to the Nazis to save hundreds of thousands of lives.

The poll sparked ire across Russia with scores of bloggers, politicians and journalists accusing the television channel of desecrating the memory of the Great Patriotic War, the Russian name for the Second World War. Between 600,000 and 1.5 million people died during the Nazi siege which lasted from 1941 to 1944. The poll was removed from Dozhd TV’s website just minutes after it was published. The channel later tweeted an apology, claiming the question was “an error by the producer … and the social network editor”.


Following the poll, Yuri Pripachkin, head of Russia’s Cable Television Association, suggested disconnecting the channel. Since then, three cable operators, R-Telecom, Akado and NTV Plus have taken Dozhd TV off air. A press release from NTV Plus said the decision had been made because the channel’s editorial concept had “changed significantly”. Since then, the St Petersburg’s prosecutor’s office has said it has found no evidence of “extremism” following an investigation into Dozhd TV. Full results of the audit will be released next week.

422 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:51:52am

re: #400 iossarian

There’s a robot drone squirrel outside my window. It’s pretending to look for nuts in the fake snow but really it’s recording my every move with the cameras hidden in its beady little eyes.

BUT I’M ON TO THEM.

Act like a nut to lure it in and destroy it.

423 blueraven  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:52:09am

re: #413 Killgore Trout

I think it’s interesting that most of out major foreign policy troubles (Iran, Syria, Ukraine) have one common element: Russia. The Russians can coordinate our troubles and compound our headaches. It’ll be interesting to see how they play this.

Then again…there is the whole tyranny thing.

424 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:52:39am

re: #398 Dr Lizardo

So I was looking around, and lo and behold, this caught my eye:

dailymail.co.uk

Yes. tATu is apparently going to perform at the Opening Ceremonies of the Sochi Winter Olympics.

Let that sink in for a moment. tATu. A pop duo who became famous by exploiting pseudo-lesbian chic.

In Russia.

Putin’s anti-gay Russia.

Yeah, they’re about as lesbian as the ones in porn movies.

425 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:53:06am

re: #416 wrenchwench

Trust is not any part of the current political climate. The sudden need for it is just the next excuse the Republicans are putting out there for screwing all the undocumented Americans who are eventually going to become citizens and rightfully kick that party’s ass across the continent.

They aren’t Americans if they came here illegally as adults. I’m prepared to provide a path to citizenship for the person who was brought across the border when he was 8, but there’s a good argument to be made that his father should never become a citizen.

427 TedStriker  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:55:50am

re: #425 Dark_Falcon

They aren’t Americans if they came here illegally as adults. I’m prepared to provide a path to citizenship for the person who was brought across the border when he was 8, but there’s a good argument to be made that his father should never become a citizen.

No, there isn’t.

However, if you’re so sure about it, how about you lay down your “good argument” right now?

428 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:55:55am

re: #425 Dark_Falcon

They aren’t Americans if they came here illegally as adults. I’m prepared to provide a path to citizenship for the person who was brought across the border when he was 8, but there’s a good argument to be made that his father should never become a citizen.

Let them all volunteer for at least 2 years of Federal Service… :whistles:

429 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:56:57am

re: #421 Killgore Trout

Paying the consequences of free speech….
Russian cable operators take liberal TV channel off air

That’s a nasty response, but it was a very stupid and very ignorant question. Had Leningrad surrendered, many of its inhabitants would have been murdered anyways by the Germans. And the city’s Jewish population would have been largely annihilated by the SS.

That shouldn’t the channel dropped from cable systems, but it should earn its management a bop on the head from a clue-by-four.

430 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:57:35am

re: #425 Dark_Falcon

They aren’t Americans if they came here illegally as adults. I’m prepared to provide a path to citizenship for the person who was brought across the border when he was 8, but there’s a good argument to be made that his father should never become a citizen.

They aren’t Americans if they came here illegally as children, either. I called them undocumented Americans as a salute to the fact that 11 million people are living here, working, raising families, paying taxes, paying into Social Security which many will never be able to collect, but are not allowed the basic rights and freedoms others take for granted, because of an accident of birth.

I fear the loss of executive orders to help some of these people.

431 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:58:05am

re: #428 William Barnett-Lewis

Let them all volunteer for at least 2 years of Federal Service… :whistles:

[points thumb at Mr. Barnett-Lewis] Heinlein fan.

432 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:00:01am
433 iossarian  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:02:45am

re: #422 Eventual Carrion

Act like a nut to lure it in and destroy it.

Chortle.

434 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:03:13am

re: #432 wrenchwench

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Wake me when they do the Angela Davis stamp.

Image: AngelaDavisVector3.jpg

435 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:03:56am

re: #428 William Barnett-Lewis

Let them all volunteer for at least 2 years of Federal Service… :whistles:

Would you like to know more? /

436 iossarian  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:04:11am

re: #427 AlexRogan

No, there isn’t.

However, if you’re so sure about it, how about you lay down your “good argument” right now?

This. Why, exactly, when the WHOLE POINT of the USA originally was that it was a bunch of people who wanted to live somewhere better than where they currently were, is it now not OK for other people to make that same decision?

437 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:04:45am

Clifford went through a Goth phase…

438 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:06:16am
439 Kragar  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:06:46am
440 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:07:00am

At the Boris Hospital; I don’t think the cops were allowed near Bulatov.

There are 3 opposition MPs at hospital guarding Bulatov’s room.

441 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:08:46am

re: #274 Pie-onist Overlord

Ann Romney haz a sad & a butthurt.

I cannot remember any presidential candidate’s wife acting like this. It’s been a year and a half. And her friends say that to her all the time. Would those friends be from the 1% of the 53% Mitt didn’t put in the losers bag? You are a the losers, both you and Mitt.

Remember how everyone rode real hard on Teresa Heinz Kerry in 2004 and I can’t remember her carrying on like this. And I do not believe Michelle Obama would either.

Hey Mitt. You are supposed to be good at dealing with everything. Can you deal with your wife and her sour grapes issue? It’s making you both look bad and further demonstrating why many of are glad she didn’t get elected. Oh, wait. Maybe I should say glad Mitt didn’t get elected. Or should I, seems like she wanted it more than Mitt?!

442 Gus  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:08:58am

re: #439 Kragar

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Fortunately, it’s easy to make 5 people invisible. //

443 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:09:16am

re: #436 iossarian

This. Why, exactly, when the WHOLE POINT of the USA originally was that it was a bunch of people who wanted to live somewhere better than where they currently were, is it now not OK for other people to make that same decision?

The whole issue is a lot more complicated than that. We have methods for legal immigration - convoluted, messy, abused, and in need of overhaul.

We also have an existing large number of illegal immigrants in the country who are here working, and with the continuing influx varying with domestic and foreign economic and political conditions. And the laws regarding how they are handled are also essentially broken in a number of ways and seriously in need of an overhaul. And the solution has to deal with the existing problem and also look forward towards preventing or minimizing the problem in the future.

444 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:10:14am
445 iossarian  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:11:21am

re: #443 Feline Fearless Leader

The whole issue is a lot more complicated than that. We have methods for legal immigration - convoluted, messy, abused, and in need of overhaul.

We also have an existing large number of illegal immigrants in the country who are here working, and with the continuing influx varying with domestic and foreign economic and political conditions. And the laws regarding how they are handled are also essentially broken in a number of ways and seriously in need of an overhaul. And the solution has to deal with the existing problem and also look forward towards preventing or minimizing the problem in the future.

I get the complexity of fixing the situation. My issue is more with the broad philosophical stance of: “we shouldn’t let these people settle here”.

I mean, I get where it comes from, but it certainly isn’t compatible with any kind of “originalist” interpretation of what makes the USA its own thing, as opposed to (say) monarchical Europe.

446 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:11:38am

re: #283 Dark_Falcon

I’m fine with letting George Zimmerman box, but I’d like to suggest making Mike Tyson his first opponent. Tyson has gotten on in years, but I think he’d still be able to beat the whole howlin’ bejesus out of George Zimmerman.

Hell yeah Dark. I’d even put my bet on Columbus Ohio favored son Buster Douglas coming back and taking care of George. One Big Punch!

447 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:14:10am

re: #434 Decatur Deb

Wake me when they do the Angela Davis stamp.

Image: AngelaDavisVector3.jpg

Have you read this? Fascinating.

448 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:14:43am

And so it begins.

We’ve got a huge police presence in NYC for the Super Bowl, particularly around transit hubs, Times Square, and down here in Lower Manhattan.

NJ has a large police presence in Secaucus (with a command center set up adjacent to 15X/Secaucus Transfer).

Lots of police watching for anything out of the ordinary, so should it be surprising that the police are now responding to reports of suspicious substances at 3 hotels near MetLife Stadium?


Super.

449 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:15:23am

re: #439 Kragar

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They may think its 1919, but its really 2014 and their support isn’t nearly as vast as it was.

450 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:17:34am

BBL

451 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:18:44am

re: #445 iossarian

I get the complexity of fixing the situation. My issue is more with the broad philosophical stance of: “we shouldn’t let these people settle here”.

I mean, I get where it comes from, but it certainly isn’t compatible with any kind of “originalist” interpretation of what makes the USA its own thing, as opposed to (say) monarchical Europe.

I don’t think “we shouldn’t let these people settle here” is going to work at all. Unless there is some sort of legal occupancy system worked out there is no incentive for the illegals to reveal themselves - it will just drive the problem deeper underground and increase the abuses. (Especially if the teeth for punishing employers of illegals remains as weak as it currently is.)

And I think a system of legal occupancy without also having a better and improved course for citizenship is also a bad idea. The US does not need to create a large-scale resident worker program that essentially acts to establish a permanent class of secondary (non-)citizens. (Which would be followed incessantly by attempts to modify the US citizenship rules to refuse citizenship to children of these workers born in the US and thus automatically citizens under the current rules.)

And there will probably have to be some sort of amnesty provisions as well. That goes back to the incentive for illegals to come forward. They won’t trust some system to come forwards and self-deport on the basis of some offer to eventually be able to come back in via a resident worker program. As compared to remaining as an illegal - where if you get caught you get deported and roughly end up in the same position.

452 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:18:56am

re: #447 wrenchwench

Have you read this? Fascinating.

At $58.59, I’m not likely to read it. (Especially so since it would not be something I could loan to our mostly Black/mostly Evangelical Democratic political activists.)

453 allegro  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:20:27am

re: #448 lawhawk

And so it begins.

We’ve got a huge police presence in NYC for the Super Bowl, particularly around transit hubs, Times Square, and down here in Lower Manhattan.

NJ has a large police presence in Secaucus (with a command center set up adjacent to 15X/Secaucus Transfer).

Lots of police watching for anything out of the ordinary, so should it be surprising that the police are now responding to reports of suspicious substances at 3 hotels near MetLife Stadium?


Super.

Oh dear. Nephew and niece-in-law are up there. Sounds like they’ve been cooking again. Nothing they fix can really be identified and it tastes pretty bad - even the dogs won’t touch it - but I don’t know that it is hazmat worthy. ///

454 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:21:48am

re: #333 sattv4u2

Odds are they are probably white & GOP.

The photo shows a white local officer with a black officer from the Sherrifs dept,,, so,,,,, no

Since you like things to be all nice and tidy…are you saying the black cop isn’t a GOPer or the white cop might not be a Democrat???

How would you know, the story or the photo does not mention it.

455 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:22:19am

re: #452 Decatur Deb

At $58.59, I’m not likely to read it. (Especially so since it would not be something I could loan to our mostly Black/mostly Evangelical Democratic political activists.)

15 used from $8.67

456 kirkspencer  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:22:57am

re: #425 Dark_Falcon

They aren’t Americans if they came here illegally as adults. I’m prepared to provide a path to citizenship for the person who was brought across the border when he was 8, but there’s a good argument to be made that his father should never become a citizen.

I have argued repetitively that the majority of restrictions on immigration need to go away. Frankly I’d be delighted to see the law change from default block to default allow. That is: if you want to immigrate, fine. We’ve got some forms, and you’ve got to pay taxes while you’re here. But unless you’re on our list of criminals or you’re fleeing crimes for which you can be extradited, welcome.

The big issue most people try to throw out as a stumbling block to this is “but undeserving poor sucking at our welfare.” I’d say add an income tax tier of 50% on everything over a million to help pay for it but the thing is it’s not really an issue, and not that hard to fix.

It’s not an issue because pretty consistently immigrants work. Work provides more to the economy that sustains the welfare system among other things than anything, including increased taxes.

But if we have to be so petty and self-righteous that we must poor-shame everyone, let us add a simple tag to the immigration. You have a short but reasonable period of time - say, six months - in which to find work or support. After that you leave. Once you’ve been on the support for a reasonable time - say a year, not more than two - you’re as eligible for support benefits as any long-term resident or citizen.

We are, still and regardless of naysayers, a rich and powerful nation. Petty denial of help looks as good on us as a nation as it does on any individual billionaire.

457 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:22:59am

re: #452 Decatur Deb

At $58.59, I’m not likely to read it. (Especially so since it would not be something I could loan to our mostly Black/mostly Evangelical Democratic political activists.)

I’d loan you mine, but it’s Mr. w’s.

458 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:23:52am

re: #341 sattv4u2

And the video from DeKalb County shows two black officers doing the search (with one white officer from the K 9 unit looking on)

Again…you are forgetting party affiliation. Details, man,,,details!

459 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:23:59am

re: #455 wrenchwench

Looks like it’s not on Kindle. Maybe the local library has it….Nah.

460 Political Atheist  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:24:44am

Did anyone else buy the Robert Gates book? Scored it on kindle for nine bucks. Fascinating read.

461 BusyMonster  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:24:47am

re: #31 BongCrodny

Formed in March 2009 and led by Stewart Rhodes, a Nevada lawyer, the Oath Keepers encourage members of the military and law enforcement to pledge not to follow certain hypothetical “orders” from the federal government. These “orders,” including one “to put American citizens in detention camps,” and another “to disarm the American people,” echo longstanding conspiracy theories embraced by anti-government extremists, who claim that the U.S. government is creating a police state. The Oath Keepers try to appeal to military and law enforcement personnel by reminding them that they swore an oath to defend the Constitution “from all enemies, foreign and domestic,” and suggesting that now is the time to live up to that oath by resisting an allegedly tyrannical government.

With the theory in mind that someone always talking about a thing, is necessarily thinking about that thing, who here thinks that given an appropriately gaudy crown, that Rhodes would be doing all of these things he claims he’s against, such as rounding up undesirable blah Americans and putting them in concentration camps?

I’m thinking he has this all planned out.

462 iossarian  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:26:10am

BBL

463 Lidane  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:26:44am

re: #397 Targetpractice

But of course, it’s the same old song and dance, the GOP saying “Sure, we’ll consider letting them live here legally,” but then making such a decision contingent on certain conditions being met, with the decision on whether they’ve been met left up to fellow Republicans or state governments which are invested in not agreeing that the conditions have been met.

Exactly. They’ll just shift the goal posts over time so the conditions can never be met.

All the GOP wants is a permanent underclass of indentured servant immigrants that they can exploit for profit and that they can demonize during elections.

464 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:27:13am

re: #348 sattv4u2

Didn’t say that

I did state that Alouette was wrong in her Odds are they are probably white & GOP. assumption

She could be three-quarters, half or one-quarter correct, you are dismissing her in totality. Got to cover it all, right? All we know for sure is she is possibly only wrong about one of the cops being white.

465 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:28:04am
466 Gus  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:28:15am

Uh oh. Looks like some emos are going to be mad that Obama won’t issue an executive order at their command.

467 Bulworth  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:30:08am

re: #466 Gus

Worse than Bush. I’ll stay home in November. That’ll teach ‘em!!

//

468 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:30:29am

re: #457 wrenchwench

I’d loan you mine, but it’s Mr. w’s.

S’OK—I had good coverage of the trial at the time, from Ramparts IIRC.

google.com

469 Teukka  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:30:48am

re: #461 BusyMonster

With the theory in mind that someone always talking about a thing, is necessarily thinking about that thing, who here thinks that given an appropriately gaudy crown, that Rhodes would be doing all of these things he claims he’s against, such as rounding up undesirable blah Americans and putting them in concentration camps?

I’m thinking he has this all planned out.

With some of the language coming out of the fringe RWNJ, your theory is quite plausible, sadly.

Let me add one of my own. With the events these people are preparing for, what is the likelihood that a group of individuals will not fall for the tempation to strike pre-emptively at their enemy? What safeguards are there within the organization to prevent such a scenario?

470 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:31:46am

re: #463 Lidane

Exactly. They’ll just shift the goal posts over time so the conditions can never be met.

All the GOP wants is a permanent underclass of indentured servant immigrants that they can exploit for profit and that they can demonize during elections.

Yep, any system where they can’t demonize undocumented immigrants to bring out the white vote is simply not one they’re willing to endorse. They’re okay with them coming here to pick the lettuce, mow the lawns, and build the homes, and they love that they’ll be paying taxes, but they won’t ever agree to making them citizens.

471 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:32:14am

re: #365 Gus

Whatever the case the Tweet is stupid. There is no “Obama police.”

As is the argument. Pie-onist also used the word “odds” are and odds are she was partially correct. And odds also imply she may be wrong. Those damn odds!

Fun with words!

472 Lidane  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:33:53am

re: #470 Targetpractice

Yep, any system where they can’t demonize undocumented immigrants to bring out the white vote is simply not one they’re willing to endorse. They’re okay with them coming here to pick the lettuce, mow the lawns, and build the homes, and they love that they’ll be paying taxes, but they won’t ever agree to making them citizens.

Making them citizens = making them eligible to vote. The GOP can’t allow that.

473 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:35:36am

re: #386 sattv4u2

Re: the possible Zimmerman “boxing match”

There won’t be any ass kicking going on!
The combatants will most likely be wearing those comically large boxing gloves along with full headgear
There will be some pushing, shoving and swinging punches in the general direction of the “opponents” But if anyone lands on the canvas it will be the result of his (or her) own clumsiness rather than a decisive blow struck

What? Big Tough Georgie the Police Wannabe can’t fight like the man he wants to depict???

/

474 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:36:09am

re: #454 ObserverArt

Since you like things to be all nice and tidy…are you saying the black cop isn’t a GOPer or the white cop might not be a Democrat???

How would you know, the story or the photo does not mention it.

Odds are I wouldn’t have made a comment on the cops ethnicity NOR their political bent without at LEAST looking at the photo/ links!!

Those last two at least gave me an answer to the former!!!

475 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:37:34am

re: #473 ObserverArt

What? Big Tough Georgie the Police Wannabe can’t fight like the man he wants to depict???

/

Not a question of fighting “like the man he wants to depict”

IS a question of whats allowed in a non sanctioned (think, boxings governing bodies) “boxing match”

476 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:38:42am

re: #390 Gus

Ski areas bust their ass to make artificial snow. Apparently they’re missing out on this new technology to create fake snow over thousands of square miles.

//

Sometime here in Ohio, the small ski areas we do have may only have fake snow. I remember out cruising around one day near Mad River Mountain (Hill!) and it was like a 50° nice late February day and everything was greening up already and there was the ski area with all the white trail areas. It was quite the image. I didn’t have a camera with me.

477 Gus  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:40:58am

WHY HASN’T OBAMA ISSUED AN EXECUTIVE ORDER REQUIRING GMO LABELING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

478 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:41:03am

re: #475 sattv4u2

Not a question of fighting “like the man he wants to depict”

IS a question of whats allowed in a non sanctioned (think, boxings governing bodies) “boxing match”


Zimmerman Challenges Celebrities to 9mm Duel, Would Prefer Stevie Wonder

479 Lidane  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:41:10am
480 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:41:31am

re: #398 Dr Lizardo

So I was looking around, and lo and behold, this caught my eye:

dailymail.co.uk

Yes. tATu is apparently going to perform at the Opening Ceremonies of the Sochi Winter Olympics.

Let that sink in for a moment. tATu. A pop duo who became famous by exploiting pseudo-lesbian chic.

In Russia.

Putin’s anti-gay Russia.

It’s all right there in your comment. “Pseudo-lesbian” is probably enough to clear it and besides…ol’ Vlad might like that sort of thing. Big male fanatasy…woohoo!

481 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:41:32am

re: #476 ObserverArt

Sometime here in Ohio, the small ski areas we do have may only have fake snow. I remember out cruising around one day near Mad River Mountain (Hill!) and it was like a 50° nice late February day and everything was greening up already and there was the ski area with all the white trail areas. It was quite the image. I didn’t have a camera with me.

When I used to ski a lot in the mid 70’s to late 80s all the places in New England would augment their trails with artificial snow especially late winter/ early spring
We would be out there in t-shirts and shorts skiing our butts off

482 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:43:11am

re: #470 Targetpractice

Yep, any system where they can’t demonize undocumented immigrants to bring out the white vote is simply not one they’re willing to endorse. They’re okay with them coming here to pick the lettuce, mow the lawns, and build the homes, and they love that they’ll be paying taxes, but they won’t ever agree to making them citizens.

Much less allowing them to vote.

483 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:43:31am

re: #460 Political Atheist

Did anyone else buy the Robert Gates book? Scored it on kindle for nine bucks. Fascinating read.

I’m about half way through. It does get a bit dull here and there but so far I think it’s worth wading through. It has helped my understanding greatly.

484 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:43:50am

re: #413 Killgore Trout

I think it’s interesting that most of out major foreign policy troubles (Iran, Syria, Ukraine) have one common element: Russia. The Russians can coordinate our troubles and compound our headaches. It’ll be interesting to see how they play this.

It will be determined by their political and/or economic needs. They seem to like games like The Price is Right!

/ sorta!

485 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:45:21am

re: #419 Justanotherhuman

When BMW opened their new plant near Greenville, SC years ago, they actually did pay enough for their employees to buy new BMWs. Everyone was talking about it. They were the best jobs those people had ever seen.

Gotta watch those German’s, they are like Uncle Sugar!

486 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:45:53am

re: #472 Lidane

Making them citizens = making them eligible to vote. The GOP can’t allow that.

Yeah, they’re already scared shitless because they’re behind the demographic eightball, watching their base slowly die off while there’s fewer and fewer white kids to replace them. They’re struggling against inevitability and trying to portray it as noble instead of racist and short-sighted.

487 Gus  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:46:44am
488 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:47:17am
489 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:47:39am

re: #425 Dark_Falcon

They aren’t Americans if they came here illegally as adults. I’m prepared to provide a path to citizenship for the person who was brought across the border when he was 8, but there’s a good argument to be made that his father should never become a citizen.

And yet, others can have some pretty good arguments why in some cases he should. That is why it isn’t always so cut and dried, even if you’d like it to be.

490 jaunte  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:50:25am

re: #448 lawhawk

should it be surprising that the police are now responding to reports of suspicious substances at 3 hotels near MetLife Stadium?

Hoping it’s several blocks of Velveeta.

491 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:53:10am

re: #490 jaunte

Hoping it’s several blocks of Velveeta.

Is there such a thing as in-suspicious nachos?

492 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:55:55am

re: #491 Feline Fearless Leader

Is there such a thing as in-suspicious nachos?

‘Inauspicious Nachos’ would be a good name for a samisan/mariachi fusion band.

493 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 10:56:50am

re: #492 Decatur Deb

‘Inauspicious Nachos’ would be a good name for a samisan/mariachi fusion band.

Or a World Wrestling Federation character

494 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 11:01:36am

re: #475 sattv4u2

Not a question of fighting “like the man he wants to depict”

IS a question of whats allowed in a non sanctioned (think, boxings governing bodies) “boxing match”

Did you see that / I added? I wasn’t being serious.

Lighten up man, it’s Friday. Have some fun with it all, the world is screwed up enough and not everything like Zimmerman or Pie’s comments should be seen as the Gospel Truth. Hell, we don’t even know if the Gospel is true?

And with that…lunch break over, back to it! Some damn fine comedy in this thread. I was sort of low on happiness earlier, but some of the comments lightened me up!

And satt4u2…even the back and forth word play adds to the fun. Thanks.

495 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 11:06:49am

re: #494 ObserverArt

:)

496 leftynyc  Fri, Jan 31, 2014 11:31:36am

re: #133 Justanotherhuman

Happening in NYC today:

12:03 p.m., Jan. 31 The Ukrainian Congress Committee of Ukraine will during lunch picket Deutsche Bank on Wall Street over a bank account that President Viktor Yanukovych’s son, Oleksandr, has through his Ukrainian Bank of Development. It will call on the German bank to stop doing business with Oleksandr Yanukovych over what it calls are “criminal activities.” — Mark Rachkevych

kyivpost.com

Just wanted to add my thanks for the incredible job you are doing covering this story. I wouldn’t be nearly as up to date if it weren’t for all your hard work.


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