Enjoy the Coca-Cola Ad That Drove the Right Wing Crazy

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Well, after RNC chairman Reince Priebus threw a huge fit of fake outrage and got MSNBC president Phil Griffin to apologize and fire a staffer who tweeted “maybe the rightwing will hate it” about that new Cheerios ad with a biracial family, wouldn’t you know the right wing flew into frenzy of racism and nativism about a different Super Bowl ad — the Coca-Cola ad featuring a multi-racial cast singing “America the Beautiful” in many different languages?

Yes, that would be the Coca-Cola ad most normal people saw as a cheerful, positive message, right in line with the “I’d like to buy the world a Coke” theme they’ve been advertising for decades.

And that would be the Coca-Cola ad that led to a huge outbreak of xenophobic rage all over the right wing media today, right after they all complained MSNBC was falsely portraying them as xenophobes.

They really can’t help themselves. At all. Totally out of control, compulsive self-beclowning behavior.

But that really ought to be the last time MSNBC rushes to apologize and fire someone for suggesting the right wing reacts poorly to diversity-themed advertisements. Because they do. In huge numbers.

Meanwhile, please enjoy the Coke ad, if for no other reason than it’s driving the right wing even nuttier than usual.

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698 comments
1 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 5:40:08pm

I thought it was a great ad the first time I saw it and still think it’s a great ad upon reviewing. We used to be a nation that took pride in coming from all nations and all walks of life, finding common bonds that made us stronger as a whole. How sad that that ideal is being buried under irrational fears of a shrinking majority that they’re no longer the only people that matter.

2 jaunte  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 5:41:23pm

I guess there’s still not much chance that fired staffer can get their job back.

3 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 5:41:33pm

Nifty new feature in Account Settings, folks — you can now drag and drop an image file to upload a personal icon. Just drag it into the field where the icons are displayed, and a green dashed border will appear to let you know it’s a drop zone.

4 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 5:42:54pm

No survivors of that plane crash.

nydailynews.com

5 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 5:44:38pm

I just saw these ads today since I was watching Downton Abbey. I find nothing wrong with these commercials. Oh by the way just in case anyone is interested yes Downton Abbey did it again they were #2 up against the Super Bowl. oregonlive.com

6 psddluva4evah  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 5:44:53pm

Has President Obama finally joined Team NMFTG?

7 b.d.  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 5:45:00pm

Madness. I’m starting to understand why they called it that.

8 Skip Intro  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 5:45:36pm

That’s it? That’s what generated the frenzy of hate?

To describe a substantial portion of the population of this country as mentally ill doesn’t even begin to describe what we’re seeing now. It’s George Orwell’s two minute hate, expanded to 24/7.

9 psddluva4evah  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 5:45:41pm
10 psddluva4evah  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 5:46:15pm
11 b.d.  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 5:48:05pm

Can the baggers buy HFCS directly from the factories? I’d hate for them to have to switch to drinking something healthy.

12 b.d.  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 5:49:12pm

THAT AD MAKES ME HOTTER THAN 1,000 SUNS!!!!

13 EPR-radar  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 5:50:44pm

re: #2 jaunte

I guess there’s still not much chance that fired staffer can get their job back.

None at all. On the plus side, he/she won’t be working for a craven like Phil Griffin.

14 Kragar  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 5:51:20pm
15 jaunte  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 5:51:34pm

re: #12 b.d.

How about a cold Northern Neck?

16 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 5:55:57pm

re: #13 EPR-radar

None at all. On the plus side, he/she won’t be working for a craven like Phil Griffin.

Cenk Uygur: The Sniveling Apologizers at MSNBC Don’t Represent Progressives

Phil Griffin, who happens to be the head of MSNBC, is not a liberal or progressive. I worked at MSNBC, I talked to Phil Griffin many times, I know Phil Griffin. He is not remotely progressive. All he cares about is success in his own career. He even basically admitted in this recent interview that he would head a conservative network if it made more money.

I strongly disagree with much of the article and I think the wish for more outrage and hate is harmful. But he’s correct that MSNBC is a business model targeting progressive viewers. It’s about marketing, not ideology.

17 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 5:56:38pm

British surfer Andrew Cotton riding an 80-foot (!) wave in Portugal yesterday.

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18 b.d.  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 5:58:56pm

re: #15 jaunte

How about a cold Northern Neck?
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Northern Neck is owned by The Coca-Cola Company.

19 Bridgeghazi: Never Forget!!11!!!!11  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:03:13pm

10 years ago, I never would have given a second thought to this commercial. Coke has always been big on making inclusive social statements.

However, times have changed, and as I watched the commercial last night, I knew there was going to be wingnut rage, so my reaction from beginning to climax (with the 2 Muslim girls) went something like this:

Oh.
Oh no.
Oh hell yes!
Oh $#$@!

20 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:03:22pm

This is What Confiscatory Socialism Looks Like

The Page does not link to a right-wing site nor does it bash Barack Obama. Please do read it and let me know what you think.

21 missliberties  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:05:09pm

I was generally impressed by ALL the Super Bowl ads, which struck me as trying to push progress and *gasp* unity!! For a second there I thought I was crazy.

Make it in America. Make friends not enemies. I loved the Coke ad. Wow!

Suck it wing nuts. America is sick of you.

22 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:06:43pm

re: #21 missliberties

I was generally impressed by ALL the Super Bowl ads, which struck me as trying to push progress and *gasp* unity!! For a second there I thought I was crazy.

Make it in America. Make friends not enemies. I loved the Coke ad. Wow!

Suck it wing nuts. America is sick of you.

There were a few that didn’t overly impress me. GoDaddy managed to continue it’s Superb Owl tradition of making an ad that facepalmingly stupid.

23 Belafon  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:07:10pm

re: #21 missliberties

And, if you choose the wrong key, Morpheus will download the opera mod and sing in the back seat.

24 Belafon  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:09:07pm

re: #20 Dark_Falcon

And didn’t we try that system in the 70s?

25 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:11:47pm

My beat is correct.

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26 bratwurst  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:12:33pm

I liked the ad when I saw it last night…the fact that it has outraged so many idiots makes me LOVE it.

27 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:15:50pm

I’d also like to state for the record that I loved the Radio Shack 80s commercial and the Seinfeld reunion as well.

28 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:18:05pm

re: #24 Belafon

And didn’t we try that system in the 70s?

No, price controls in the US were never as punitive nor as heavy-handed as they are becoming in Venezuela. Price controls are a bad idea (except in very limited circumstances, most of them involving a major war), but the way they are being implemented there is making them much worse than normal.

29 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:18:53pm

Fox News would have been hanging out with the real Bill the Butcher had they been around in the 1840’s. Really, I love how the right cries about being called racist and bigoted and then they pretty much prove what’s been said about them. If you don’t want to be called a bigot? Don’t flip your shit when a language that isn’t English is spoken.

30 compound_Idaho  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:21:45pm

re: #1 Targetpractice

The fella that used to rent office space next to me was from Vietnam. My kids were young then. They called him the “cookie man”. He ran an engineering shop but always had cookies for the kids when they dropped in to see me.

He had a great story. He left Vietnam via helicopter. His brother was a pilot for the South. As the South collapsed, his brother stole a helicopter, landed it at the apartment complex, loaded family and more and flew out to sea until they crashed into the ocean. They were picked up by the US Navy.

Once relocating to the US (New Orleans), grandma, the matriarch of the clan insisted that only English be spoken in the home, although she could not speak any English. Only US holidays were to be observed. “We are no longer Vietnamese, we are Americans.” Wein told some hilarious stories about Thanksgiving etc.

I have close friends from England, Norway, Vietnam, and Ukraine. In my experience, the most rabid US firsters are recent immigrants. Don’t know for sure, but I’m guessing the are all republicans. (in a couple of cases, no guessing)

31 jaunte  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:21:46pm
32 Achilles Tang  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:24:03pm

Is there a word for a flounce that deletes the thread but allows the originator to pretend nothing happened?

New comment posted by: CuriousLurker
Thread title: Updated: Origins of the word “Islamophobia”


Okay, I’ve had enough of the verbal incontinence & ankle-biting, so I’m going to run out the clock on this one, just as I did with another Page around this time last year that endured the same problem from the same insufferable member.

Hopefully, this won’t result in everyone having to listen to half-drunken whiny rants in the main thread like it did last time.

33 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:24:34pm

re: #31 jaunte

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It did but a lot of Americans including much of Fox’s target audience are primitive dinosaurs who don’t want to accept that America is and always has been a nation of many. That’s what Fox caters to. They cater to people who believe in an America that never was.

34 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:28:12pm

I think in a way John Edwards had a point about there being two Americans but I think the division is more cultural than economic. You’ve got one side that’s embraced changing attitudes on sexuality, different religions and cultures, etc. And then you’ve got another group of people who get rage when they hear a language that isn’t English spoken or anything that goes against their idea of what America should be.

35 jaunte  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:30:49pm
36 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:32:15pm

re: #32 Achilles Tang

She’s not “pretending nothing happened”, she’s just tired of the backbiting and troll attacks found on that thread. Your attempt to categorize her actions as a “flounce” is a classic DARVO.

37 allegro  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:32:40pm

re: #34 HappyWarrior

I think in a way John Edwards had a point about there being two Americans but I think the division is more cultural than economic. You’ve got one side that’s embraced changing attitudes on sexuality, different religions and cultures, etc. And then you’ve got another group of people who get rage when they hear a language that isn’t English spoken or anything that goes against their idea of what America should be.

I think he was quite correct where the PTB of the country/globe are concerned. What you are describing is the rest of us at each others throats so we aren’t paying attention as we are robbed and fucked over by the corporate/monied interests who have bought our legislators and set policy to enrich themselves further at our expense.

38 EPR-radar  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:32:52pm

re: #34 HappyWarrior

I think in a way John Edwards had a point about there being two Americans but I think the division is more cultural than economic. You’ve got one side that’s embraced changing attitudes on sexuality, different religions and cultures, etc. And then you’ve got another group of people who get rage when they hear a language that isn’t English spoken or anything that goes against their idea of what America should be.

I think both divisions (economic and cultural) are significant. Going a bit further, I also think that the culture wars are set up to be essentially impossible to deal with by the Powers That Be, in order to distract attention from the economic issues.

39 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:33:43pm

re: #35 jaunte

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My brother and his wife are planning on teaching their little girl Spanish. I like the idea. Our other brother had a Spanish language problem in his elementary school and is doing German this year and excelling. I wish I had been exposed to a foreign language at an early age. I’ll never get why people are so hostile to the idea of learning or hearing a foreign language. Gotta say while Mitt Romney is far from my favorite person, I thought it was pathetic that Newt Gingrich actually tried to make it into a negative that Mitt could speak French.

40 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:34:14pm

re: #38 EPR-radar

I think both divisions (economic and cultural) are significant. Going a bit further, I also think that the culture wars are set up to be essentially impossible to deal with by the Powers That Be, in order to distract attention from the economic issues.

True good point.

41 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:35:18pm

re: #37 allegro

I think he was quite correct where the PTB of the country/globe are concerned. What you are describing is the rest of us at each others throats so we aren’t paying attention as we are robbed and fucked over by the corporate/monied interests who have bought our legislators and set policy to enrich themselves further at our expense.

Yeah I don’t think he was totally incorrect but I really feel like we have two different countries. One that is a lot like the UK and Canada I guess in its social values and another that would embrace the Ugandan anti-gay laws if a facsimile of them were passed here.

42 Achilles Tang  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:37:27pm

re: #36 Dark_Falcon

She’s not “pretending nothing happened”, she’s just tired of the backbiting and troll attacks found on that thread. Your attempt to categorize her actions as a “flounce” is a classic DARVO.

There was no trolling, there was no argument from her, only insults that someone dared disagree with her. I’m disappointed in you.

43 dog philosopher  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:38:32pm

re: #30 compound_Idaho

The fella that used to rent office space next to me was from Vietnam. My kids were young then. They called him the “cookie man”. He ran an engineering shop but always had cookies for the kids when they dropped in to see me.

He had a great story. He left Vietnam via helicopter. His brother was a pilot for the South. As the South collapsed, his brother stole a helicopter, landed it at the apartment complex, loaded family and more and flew out to sea until they crashed into the ocean. They were picked up by the US Navy.

Once relocating to the US (New Orleans), grandma, the matriarch of the clan insisted that only English be spoken in the home, although she could not speak any English. Only US holidays were to be observed. “We are no longer Vietnamese, we are Americans.” Wein told some hilarious stories about Thanksgiving etc.

I have close friends from England, Norway, Vietnam, and Ukraine. In my experience, the most rabid US firsters are recent immigrants. Don’t know for sure, but I’m guessing the are all republicans. (in a couple of cases, no guessing)

well, this is where yer irony is - the crowd that gets offended by things like the coke commercial will tell you that all these here immigrants are refusing to learn english, either out of laziness or a malicious desire to make americans learn their language, while all the time almost all actual immigrants are learning english as fast as they can manage

44 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:40:54pm

re: #32 Achilles Tang

Is there a word for a flounce that deletes the thread but allows the originator to pretend nothing happened?

It’s called Have A Big Serving Of Go Fuck Yourself.

45 TedStriker  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:41:38pm

re: #32 Achilles Tang

Really?

Really?!?

Grow up and get over yourself…

46 Just never mind.  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:42:26pm

re: #45 AlexRogan

Really?

Really?!?

Grow up and get over yourself…

AWESOME!

47 Bridgeghazi: Never Forget!!11!!!!11  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:43:18pm

re: #30 compound_Idaho

I know where I live, a lot of Spanish is spoken, but most of the Spanish speakers here were not immigrants, they were already here when the USA took over the area. And since the English speaking USA immigrants into the area tended to exclude them socially, they tended to keep Spanish alive and pass it down while also speaking English.

Where my mother grew up, there was still a lot of old Deutch spoken (old German) mostly from the Amish and Mennonites, but there were other pockets of people as well. Their language gave them a sense of pride.
I also knew a guy from Houma who’s family still spoke an old creole French, who hid it for many years because at one time they were forced to only speak English.

The people I find the most insufferable, are the people who migrate over here from other English speaking countries and then put down people who don’t speak English. or people like Peter Brimelow, an English immigrant who came over here and started a white nationalist website to keep non white immigrants out. I mean, how does someone become that rotten of an individual?

At one point, after the Revolutionary war, some leaders like Jefferson, toyed with the idea of making the official language of the new country a Native American language.

48 gwangung  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:47:31pm

re: #42 Achilles Tang

Downding for trying to resurrect old grievances and other pollution of a thread.

49 gwangung  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:48:30pm

re: #47 Bridgeghazi: Never Forget!!11!!!!11

I know where I live, a lot of Spanish is spoken, but most of the Spanish speakers here were not immigrants, they were already here when the USA took over the area. And since the English speaking USA immigrants into the area tended to exclude them socially, they tended to keep Spanish alive and pass it down while also speaking English.

Where my mother grew up, there was still a lot of old Deutch spoken (old German) mostly from the Amish and Mennonites, but there were other pockets of people as well. Their language gave them a sense of pride.
I also knew a guy from Houma who’s family still spoke an old creole French, who hid it for many years because at one time they were forced to only speak English.

The people I find the most insufferable, are the people who migrate over here from other English speaking countries and then put down people who don’t speak English. or people like Peter Brimelow, an English immigrant who came over here and started a white nationalist website to keep non white immigrants out. I mean, how does someone become that rotten of an individual?

At one point, after the Revolutionary war, some leaders like Jefferson, toyed with the idea of making the official language of the new country a Native American language.

I think some elements of the right wing are trying to make it a badge of honor to be monolingual.

That don’t make nooooooo sense to me…..

50 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:50:37pm

re: #42 Achilles Tang

GAZE


Image: troll.jpg

51 Amory Blaine  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:51:39pm

Uncle Sugar’s Sarsaparilla won’t let us down.

52 compound_Idaho  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:52:07pm

re: #47 Bridgeghazi: Never Forget!!11!!!!11

My sister in-law is from England. She (Dr.) had to take an English proficiency test to obtain her pharmacy licence in the States. She claims we are the ones that do not speak English.

53 jaunte  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:52:48pm

re: #51 Amory Blaine

Uncle Corn Syrup?

54 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:55:03pm

re: #49 gwangung

I think some elements of the right wing are trying to make it a badge of honor to be monolingual.

That don’t make nooooooo sense to me…..

Yeah I don’t get the whole I only speak English and I’m proud! crowd. Hell if anything, I’m jealous of those who have a gift for languages. Funniest thing to me though was when big time warhawk David Horowitz was furious about Arabic being taught in public schools. Yeah they’re teaching the language of the region that you want our military to be actively involved in. How stupid.//

55 Ming  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:55:18pm

It’s amazing, when you think about it, that a single country, the USA, is beloved by such an incredible diversity of people. I can’t think of another country that even comes second.

56 nines09  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:55:39pm

I read the comments on you tube. I heard the usual vile right wing spokespeople throwing wood on a mental maelstrom of ignorance and bigotry. And I have come to the conclusion that these self loathing pieces of shit could have a million bucks right at their feet, tax free, all yours to go spend and enjoy. And that would no be enough. Because someone, somewhere, would be rubbing two nickels together, happy, smiling. And that someone would be called Juan. Losers forever, just die the fuck off.

57 EPR-radar  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:57:15pm

re: #54 HappyWarrior

Yeah I don’t get the whole I only speak English and I’m proud! crowd. Hell if anything, I’m jealous of those who have a gift for languages. Funniest thing to me though was when big time warhawk David Horowitz was furious about Arabic being taught in public schools. Yeah they’re teaching the language of the region that you want our military to be actively involved in. How stupid.//

It’s like elements of the US right want to make being provincial into a virtue.

Every day is opposite day in RW nut job land.

58 jamesfirecat  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:57:31pm

re: #38 EPR-radar

I think both divisions (economic and cultural) are significant. Going a bit further, I also think that the culture wars are set up to be essentially impossible to deal with by the Powers That Be, in order to distract attention from the economic issues.

I recall at one point someone suggested the plan was for the GOP to loose loudly on social issues while the Democrats lost quietly on economic ones…

59 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:57:41pm

I watched “The Butler” about the Civil Rights movement seen through the eyes of the White House butler. It was pretty good, but got kinda glurgey at the end.

60 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:58:12pm

re: #42 Achilles Tang

There was no trolling, there was no argument from her, only insults that someone dared disagree with her. I’m disappointed in you.

Face it dude, she’s just not that into you. It’s time to stop following her around and trying to make it a thing.

61 Bridgeghazi: Never Forget!!11!!!!11  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:58:12pm

re: #49 gwangung


I had a friend from Russia who use to get so upset because people were rude to her or inpatient with her because she spoke English with an accent.
Americans treated her like she was dumb.
She knew 5 languages fluently and had a degree in biology!

62 Bridgeghazi: Never Forget!!11!!!!11  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:58:27pm

re: #52 compound_Idaho

LOL!

63 gwangung  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 6:58:29pm

re: #54 HappyWarrior

Yeah I don’t get the whole I only speak English and I’m proud! crowd. Hell if anything, I’m jealous of those who have a gift for languages. Funniest thing to me though was when big time warhawk David Horowitz was furious about Arabic being taught in public schools. Yeah they’re teaching the language of the region that you want our military to be actively involved in. How stupid.//

Well, there was angry noises and muttering in California schools about teaching Mandarin as an additional language. That doesn’t make sense, either, because we’re such trade partners with China….

64 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:00:12pm

re: #51 Amory Blaine

Uncle Sugar’s Sarsaparilla won’t let us down.

Eegad! WebMD has a page on sarsaparilla:

Sarsaparilla is used for treating psoriasis and other skin diseases, rheumatoid arthritis (RA), and kidney disease; for increasing urination to reduce fluid retention; and for increasing sweating. Sarsaparilla is also used along with conventional drugs for treating leprosy and for syphilis.

Leprosy and syphilis. Now there’s a combination if ever I heard of one.

Wikipedia has a more expected treatment, with a lot on sarsaparilla’s role in Hollywood western culture. According to wikipedia, modern sarsaparilla drinks are often made with artificial flavors. The WebMD article is about the real stuff however.

65 Kragar  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:00:16pm


I’d lay even money that most of those immigrants can speak better English than Todd.

66 jamesfirecat  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:00:21pm

re: #52 compound_Idaho

My sister in-law is from England. She (Dr.) had to take an English proficiency test to obtain her pharmacy licence in the States. She claims we are the ones that do not speak English.

Sorry UK we stole your language the same way we stole one of your drinking songs and turned it into our national anthem.

Also don’t tell anyone but we’re secretly attaching a great many hooks to Scotland and planning on grabbing that next…

67 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:00:25pm

re: #63 gwangung

Well, there was angry noises and muttering in California schools about teaching Mandarin as an additional language. That doesn’t make sense, either, because we’re such trade partners with China….

Yeah I don’t get it. Ditto the anger with Spanish for that matter. Really, in my hypothetical I have power scenario, I’d mandate learning a foreign language from an early age in school. Most high schools and colleges require it to graduate so why not get them started young. As I said, I think it would have done me a lot of good.

68 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:01:28pm

re: #65 Kragar

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I’d lay even money that most of those immigrants can speak better English than Todd.

In the old days Todd would think twice before crossing the Coca-Cola Company.

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69 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:01:31pm

I’m very happy that all of my grandkids (the ones who can speak) know 2 or more languages!

70 BongCrodny  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:02:16pm

re: #65 Kragar

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I’d lay even money that most of those immigrants can speak better English than Todd.

My guess is the message is incapable of being understood by Mr. Starnes.

71 Kragar  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:02:22pm

I mean, its only obvious that someone one who is singing a song in a language other than good ole fashioned American couldn’t possibly be able to speak English.

According to Todd that is.

72 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:02:35pm

re: #60 goddamnedfrank

Face it dude, she’s just not that into you. It’s time to stop following her around and trying to make it a thing.

Beautifully Done. I only regret I can’t upding this post twice!

73 nines09  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:02:47pm

re: #65 Kragar

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I’d lay even money that most of those immigrants can speak better English than Todd.

He should just wear a T shirt that says “Immadick”. Wait, he has a Twitter Account that says that every day……Never mind.

74 jaunte  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:03:01pm

re: #65 Kragar

Laissez les bons temps rouler.

But not you, Todd.

75 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:03:23pm

re: #65 Kragar

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I’d lay even money that most of those immigrants can speak better English than Todd.

Wonder what he’d think of Martin Van Buren*
*Only president who grew up speaking a language other than English as his first language.

76 TedStriker  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:04:03pm

re: #60 goddamnedfrank

Face it dude, she’s just not that into you. It’s time to stop following her around and trying to make it a thing.

*snicker*

77 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:05:14pm

re: #61 Bridgeghazi: Never Forget!!11!!!!11

I had a friend from Russia who use to get so upset because people were rude to her or inpatient with her because she spoke English with an accent.
Americans treated her like she was dumb.
She knew 5 languages fluently and had a degree in biology!

That’s what I don’t get about that crowd. So, you speak your first language. They get mad because they want you to speak English and then you do speak English but it’s accented and they get mad because you have an accent. Shrug, we can’t all sound as “articulate” as the “true Americans.”

78 jaunte  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:05:46pm

I keep forgetting that the underlying objection is not really to the language.

79 compound_Idaho  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:06:43pm

re: #78 jaunte

For some yes, but not for most.

80 Kragar  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:07:19pm
81 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:07:59pm

re: #80 Kragar

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Pow.

82 Bridgeghazi: Never Forget!!11!!!!11  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:08:42pm

re: #63 gwangung

When I was living in Guam, I became friends with this great guy from China. His Dad, who was Chinese, made him go to American schools in Japan and University in South America and after graduation his dad promptly sent him off to live in Germany for two years as a paid intern.

He knew English, Japanese, Mandarin, German, and Spanish fluently.
He said his Dad did this because the future of the world will have few physical, social and economic boundaries.

83 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:09:38pm

re: #67 HappyWarrior

Yeah I don’t get it. Ditto the anger with Spanish for that matter. Really, in my hypothetical I have power scenario, I’d mandate learning a foreign language from an early age in school. Most high schools and colleges require it to graduate so why not get them started young. As I said, I think it would have done me a lot of good.

I learned Spanish as a child and Portuguese somewhat later. Fluency in Portuguese opened a lot of doors for me in Brazil, since the locals are not accustomed to Americans who can speak the language. It never occurred to me that I was committing a subversive or disloyal act by learning these languages. On the contrary, I saw it as a crucial advantage, and it was. I only wish I could speak Mandarin.

84 calochortus  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:09:57pm

I suppose it’s time for the old joke:
What do you call someone who speaks 3 languages? Trilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks 2 languages? Bilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks 1 language? An American.

85 TedStriker  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:10:08pm

re: #78 jaunte

I keep forgetting that the underlying objection is not really to the language.

It’s mostly about Scary Brown People, English speakers or not.

86 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:11:52pm

re: #84 calochortus

I suppose it’s time for the old joke:
What do you call someone who speaks 3 languages? Trilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks 2 languages? Bilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks 1 language? An American.

When I met my daughter’s teacher at her Italian middle school PTA, she said I spoke ‘Desperanto’.

87 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:12:08pm

re: #83 Shiplord Kirel

I learned Spanish as a child and Portuguese somewhat later. Fluency in Portuguese opened a lot of doors for me in Brazil, since the locals are not accustomed to Americans who can speak the language. It never occurred to me that I was committing a subversive or disloyal act by learning these languages. On the contrary, I saw it as a crucial advantage, and it was. I only wish I could speak Mandarin.

Bet they really appreciated it. When I was in Germany, my roommate spoke some German so that made barhopping and mingling with the locals more fun. Hell learning another language arguably helps you understand your own language more especially one unique like the English one.

88 Kragar  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:12:30pm

re: #84 calochortus

I suppose it’s time for the old joke:
What do you call someone who speaks 3 languages? Trilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks 2 languages? Bilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks 1 language? An American.

I’ll call myself bilingual because of my ability to muddle thru French, Spanish, Japanese, and Latin without actually being to speak any of them fluently.

89 TedStriker  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:13:02pm

re: #84 calochortus

I suppose it’s time for the old joke:
What do you call someone who speaks 3 languages? Trilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks 2 languages? Bilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks 1 language? An American.

That’s good, but I shamelessly steal and dedicate this one for the RWNJs and dudebros:

Sex with four people is foursome.
Sex with three people is threesome and Sex with two people is twosome.
Now you know why they call you handsome

90 TedStriker  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:14:22pm

re: #80 Kragar

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BOOM goes the dynamite!

91 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:14:57pm

My brother Doug has been able to speak Japanese since we lived there as children. Our Japanese nanny taught it to him. She spent a lot of time with him because he was considerably younger than the rest of us. Later, when we moved to the states, he kept it up and learned more from the Japanese born wife of one of my dad’s Air Force buddies. It has been a gravy train for him all his adult life, starting with his service in the Marine Corps and up to his role as, of all things, a sports commentator on Japanese television.

92 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:15:38pm
93 palomino  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:17:18pm

America is evolving, as it always has been.

It’s quite possible that the evolution occurring now will result in big changes over the long run. For example, maybe in 100 years, English will no longer be the clearly dominant language. So what? If we believe in a melting pot, then such gradual long term change shouldn’t be feared, it should simply be dealt with.

America is a work in progress, but one of our generally shared ideals today is a harmonious multicultural society. Indeed, THAT is at the core of the experiment that is America. If we can’t figure out a way to co-exist peacefully in a changing ethnic mix, then we’ve failed an essential test as a nation.

94 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:17:37pm

I have a good friend who has a natural talent / gift for languages. His native tongue is French, and sometimes when he gets really angry he switches back to it. I asked him once how many languages he spoke. He told me that he was highly fluent in French and English, had good high competency in German, Spanish and Italian, and could probably function day to day in Russian.

Considering that when I took the DLAB (Defense Language Aptitude Battery), an exam in the military to see if you could make a good linguist, they told me that I could learn English as a second language. I explained to them that English was my mother tongue. They just said “sorry”. //possibly-some-dramatic-license-taken.

RBS

95 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:18:05pm

I was on Free Republic from 2001-2008 and I never remember FReepers complaining about GW Bush buying 2 wars and a tax cut for Teh Richs and putting it on the nation’s credit card.

96 makeitstop  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:18:12pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

Woody Allen in People, 1976. Last paragraph. Nasty.

Yikes.

97 Bridgeghazi: Never Forget!!11!!!!11  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:18:13pm

re: #91 Shiplord Kirel

One of my brothers degrees was in Vietnamese history and language.
I keep telling him he should not let his fluency in Vietnamese go to waste.

98 calochortus  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:19:02pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

Ewwwww.

99 compound_Idaho  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:20:03pm

re: #85 TedStriker

When the “brown” woman at the back of the plane was in tears because she was lost, confused, and could not understand, it was a RWNJ Mormon missionary that helper her and comforted her. I am not Mormon, but we are not all as different or as hateful as some would suggest. I was so glad some one could help her. I could not. Apparently no one else could or would.

100 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:20:30pm

re: #95 Pie-onist Overlord

I was on Free Republic from 2001-2008 and I never remember FReepers complaining about GW Bush buying 2 wars and a tax cut for Teh Richs and putting it on the nation’s credit card.

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“Deficits don’t matter”*
*Not said by Joe Biden but seriously, the right’s “concern” for the deficit is hilarious given the Bush and Reagan years. The only real fiscal hawks the GOP had in office were interestingly two of their more moderate presidents- Eisenhower and Ford. Tax cuts ahoy and spending tons on defense does not make one a fiscal conservative. It makes one an idiot.

101 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:20:44pm

What’s Up Gang? My new bedroom will show up tomorrow morning some time, I’m so excited. Just shampooed the carpet in the bedroom, place is starting to look almost new again.

RBS

102 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:22:23pm

I speak a smattering of Arabic, the usefulness of which is obvious these days. Among other things, it enabled me to correctly interpret the shouts of the crowd who were carrying and dragging US Ambassador Chris Stevens after the consulate attack in Benghazi. Wingnuts claimed the video showed townspeople desecrating Stevens’ body and celebrating the assault. Far from it, they were thanking God that he was apparently alive at that point, and shouting desperately for a vehicle to take him to a hospital.

103 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:22:25pm

No Ted, he’s not even close. Eisenhower was more liberal than Obama.

104 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:22:28pm

re: #99 compound_Idaho

When the “brown” woman at the back of the plane was in tears because she was lost, confused, and could not understand, it was a RWNJ Mormon missionary that helper her and comforted her. I am not Mormon, but we are not all as different or as hateful as some would suggest. I was so glad some one could help her. I could not. Apparently no one else could or would.

Are you sure you’re not confusing “Mormon”, “RW”, and “RWNJ”?

105 Kragar  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:23:15pm

Ah, CNET, or as I like to call it, “how much BS crap can we stick in an installer and hope people just click thru it?”

106 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:23:19pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

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Creep-o-rama!

107 Bridgeghazi: Never Forget!!11!!!!11  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:24:00pm

re: #99 compound_Idaho

How do you know she was a RWNJ? I know devout Mormons that are quite liberal and leftist.

108 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:25:33pm
109 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:26:36pm

re: #99 compound_Idaho

When the “brown” woman at the back of the plane was in tears because she was lost, confused, and could not understand, it was a RWNJ Mormon missionary that helper her and comforted her. I am not Mormon, but we are not all as different or as hateful as some would suggest. I was so glad some one could help her. I could not. Apparently no one else could or would.

Man, you’re on some kind of mission tonight to rehabilitate the right wing reputation via anecdote.

How did you know the missionary was a RWNJ, was he wearing a bumper sticker and a tricorne hat?

110 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:27:42pm

re: #108 Pie-onist Overlord

Nixon: OSHA, EPA, China BFF, wage & price controls.

111 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:29:56pm

re: #110 Decatur Deb

Nixon: OSHA, EPA, China BFF, wage & price controls.

Detente. But yeah. I am betting Cruz will only read the replies that re-enforce his fantasy. Anyhow, they say this crap about every Democratic president and candidate. The funniest to me is when years later they try to claim them as one of their own. The same JFK that they called a leftist in the early 60’s now has a book by a conservative pundit arguing that JFK was in fact a conservative. Irony though is that perhaps the most conservative Democrat to be president in the last 50 years is the one that the right hates the most. Carter certainly wa sno lefty.

112 jaunte  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:32:34pm

Check in at the link about 1:30 EST tomorrow to watch Greg Abbott try to get to the right of himself on border security.

113 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:32:36pm

re: #111 HappyWarrior

Detente. But yeah. I am betting Cruz will only read the replies that re-enforce his fantasy. Anyhow, they say this crap about every Democratic president and candidate. The funniest to me is when years later they try to claim them as one of their own. The same JFK that they called a leftist in the early 60’s now has a book by a conservative pundit arguing that JFK was in fact a conservative. Irony though is that perhaps the most conservative Democrat to be president in the last 50 years is the one that the right hates the most. Carter certainly wa sno lefty.

Also the most active, avowed Christian. They’re hard to satisfy.

114 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:32:48pm

re: #111 HappyWarrior

Detente. But yeah. I am betting Cruz will only read the replies that re-enforce his fantasy. Anyhow, they say this crap about every Democratic president and candidate. The funniest to me is when years later they try to claim them as one of their own. The same JFK that they called a leftist in the early 60’s now has a book by a conservative pundit arguing that JFK was in fact a conservative. Irony though is that perhaps the most conservative Democrat to be president in the last 50 years is the one that the right hates the most. Carter certainly wa sno lefty.

HURR HURR!!!11!! DEMOCRATS WAS TEH RACIST IN 1860 SO THEY IS ALWAYS TEH RACISTS FOREVER!!11!!!!

115 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:33:04pm

re: #55 Ming

It’s amazing, when you think about it, that a single country, the USA, is beloved by such an incredible diversity of people. I can’t think of another country that even comes second.

Multiculturalism started here in Canada, thank you very much. We’re at least as diverse as America.

Americans really struggle with their exceptionalism. Too many simply can’t believe that their country isn’t that special save for size.

116 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:34:03pm

re: #114 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!11!! DEMOCRATS WAS TEH RACIST IN 1860 SO THEY IS ALWAYS TEH RACISTS FOREVER!!11!!!!
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Yet if you bring up the Southern Strategy, it’s somehow ancient history. Must be nice to be in right wing fantasy world.

117 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:34:37pm

re: #115 Romantic Heretic

Multiculturalism started here in Canada, thank you very much. We’re at least as diverse as America.

Americans really struggle with their exceptionalism. Too many simply can’t believe that their country isn’t that special save for size.

We invented the double down, you guys invented poutine. Checkmate :).

118 jaunte  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:35:24pm

Oddly on topic:

Azerbaijan Official Calls On Mullahs To Perform Prayers In Azeri

119 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:35:46pm

re: #115 Romantic Heretic

Multiculturalism started here in Canada, thank you very much. We’re at least as diverse as America.

Americans really struggle with their exceptionalism. Too many simply can’t believe that their country isn’t that special save for size.

Pffft. The Swiss call you Jacques-Come-Lately, in 4 languages.

120 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:36:12pm

re: #113 Decatur Deb

Also the most active, avowed Christian. They’re hard to satisfy.

Yep and the one that’s been married to the same lady for over 60 years. I think I could tolerate the right a lot more if they just admitted the morals crap was just a show. In fact, I really resent the right for creating this construct where the conservative is the moral one and the liberal devoid of morals. But that’s another story in the long book of why I find the religious right toxic.

121 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:36:18pm

re: #108 Pie-onist Overlord

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Can you imagine today’s Republicans going along with a program as expensive and involved as the Interstate Highway System? The Cruz’s of today would bitch and moan that that’s something the “free market” should be doing on its own.

122 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:38:18pm

OT but has anyone been watching True Detective? Really enjoy the dialogue especially Rust’s) McConnaughey) but Harrelson is great too.

123 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:38:39pm

re: #88 Kragar

I’ll call myself bilingual because of my ability to muddle thru French, Spanish, Japanese, and Latin without actually being to speak any of them fluently.

I know just enough in five languages to get my face slapped.

124 jaunte  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:38:40pm

re: #121 Targetpractice

Free highways will destroy our railroad barons!

125 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:40:38pm

re: #121 Targetpractice

Can you imagine today’s Republicans going along with a program as expensive and involved as the Interstate Highway System? The Cruz’s of today would bitch and moan that that’s something the “free market” should be doing on its own.

YOU KNOW WHO ELSE HAS A FEDERAL SYSTEM OF ROADS, THE SOVIETS! But yeah, anyhow I really think it’s lame that the right thinks liberal is somehow a bad thing. Even if you don’t agree with the aims of contemporary liberalism, liberalism is arguably what established this country. Our founders were liberals in the broad sense of the word despite what right wing revisionists claim. Hell they had to be- calling for representative government not long after the age of absolute monarchy.

126 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:42:36pm

re: #125 HappyWarrior

YOU KNOW WHO ELSE HAS A FEDERAL SYSTEM OF ROADS, THE SOVIETS! But yeah, anyhow I really think it’s lame that the right thinks liberal is somehow a bad thing. Even if you don’t agree with the aims of contemporary liberalism, liberalism is arguably what established this country. Our founders were liberals in the broad sense of the word despite what right wing revisionists claim. Hell they had to be- calling for representative government not long after the age of absolute monarchy.

Tom Paine would be a dudebro today.

127 Kragar  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:42:58pm

re: #124 jaunte

Free highways will destroy our railroad barons!

128 SteveMcGazi  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:46:08pm

I talk American loud enough to be understood anywhere in the fucking world.

129 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:47:48pm

re: #127 Kragar

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Kind of like how they like to point out that Lincoln freed the slaves but Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee are much more popular figures at CPAC and otehr such gatherings.

130 Kragar  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:51:08pm

re: #129 HappyWarrior

Kind of like how they like to point out that Lincoln freed the slaves but Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee are much more popular figures at CPAC and otehr such gatherings.

“We’re the Party of Lincoln!”
“So what about the Civil War?”
“You mean the war of Northern Aggression? THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN!”

131 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:51:30pm

re: #128 SteveMcGazi

I talk American loud enough to be understood anywhere in the fucking world.

Col. Wainwright Purdy III: “You’ll need an interpreter…”
Captain Fisby: “I can study the language.”
Col. Wainwright Purdy III: “No need. We won the war.”

—Teahouse of the August Moon

132 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:51:48pm

re: #121 Targetpractice

Can you imagine today’s Republicans going along with a program as expensive and involved as the Interstate Highway System? The Cruz’s of today would bitch and moan that that’s something the “free market” should be doing on its own.

Problem is that most of them also hate turnpikes / pay roads with a passion. Apparently that is part of the ability of big gov to control where and when you can drive. (and no, I’m not quite clear on how they get there either).

RBS

133 Achilles Tang  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:52:12pm

re: #44 Pie-onist Overlord

It’s called Have A Big Serving Of Go Fuck Yourself.

A good example of what I am talking about.

134 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:52:30pm

re: #130 Kragar

“We’re the Party of Lincoln!”
“So what about the Civil War?”
“You mean the war of Northern Aggression? THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN!”

Yeah that’s the strangest thing. And to go with that, it always amuses me hearing that blacks need to get “over” slavery from the same people who aren’t over the fact that CSA got their ass handed to them in the end.

135 klys  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:53:32pm

re: #133 Achilles Tang

A good example of what I am talking about.

You want to dictate how she responds to you.

The thing is, you don’t get to. Continuing to try just makes you look like an ass, and people respond accordingly.

136 Achilles Tang  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:54:11pm

re: #45 TedStriker

Really?

Really?!?

Grow up and get over yourself…

And another example of how, not, to respond to an attempt at debate.

137 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:56:48pm
Dear Abby, my butt hertz …
138 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:56:55pm

re: #128 SteveMcGazi

I talk American loud enough to be understood anywhere in the fucking world.

I do have to admit that in my travels I’ve been able to pick out the American in the crowd easily. We tend to be a bit more forward, perhaps a bit more (over) confident. We are usually louder than anybody else.

When I was in the Army, I got assigned from Wash. State up to Alaska, and I drove the Alcan Highway. Lots of times you had to stop and wait for a pilot car to come and guide you through the construction, and if you missed it, it might be 30 minutes or more before it got back on the return trip. I missed it, but the flag girl was a real cutie, so I got out of the car, offered her some coffee, and we just chatted. Told her that I thought I had seen a badger a bit back up the road, she said it was starting to hang around the construction camp.

She seem amazed that I didn’t fuss and feud because I had to wait. As I was getting ready to go on my way, she said “You’re not like most Americans.” I THINK that was a compliment….

RBS

139 TedStriker  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:56:56pm

Somehow, when Victoria Jackson (RWNJ deluxe of SNL fame) moved here to Tennessee, ostensibly to be near one of her daughters that goes to Trevecca Nazarene University, I figured she might want to test her waters in the political game in a wingnut-friendly arena sooner or later. Looks like it’ll be sooner, rather than later:

Tennessean: Former SNL star Victoria Jackson may run for Williamson County Commission

For those who don’t know Tennessee politics and geography, Williamson County (which includes the cities of Brentwood and Franklin, as well as Nissan North America’s HQ, among other things; it’s directly south of Nashville/Davidson County), it’s one of the richest counties in the US and one of the most lily-white and “conservative” in the Nashville MSA:

As of the census[11] of 2010, there were 183,182 people. In 2000 there were 44,725 households, and 35,780 families residing in the county. The population density was 217 per square mile (84 /km2). There were 47,005 housing units at an average density of 81 per square mile (31 /km2). The racial makeup of the county was 91.55% White, 5.18% Black or African American, 0.20% Native American, 1.25% Asian, 0.03% Pacific Islander, 0.97% from other races, and 0.82% from two or more races. 2.52% of the population were Hispanics or Latinos of any race.
There were 44,725 households in 2000 out of which 43.00% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 69.80% were married couples living together, 7.80% had a female householder with no husband present, and 20.00% were non-families. 16.60% of all households were made up of individuals and 4.50% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.81 and the average family size was 3.18.
The age distribution was 29.50% under the age of 18, 6.20% from 18 to 24, 31.60% from 25 to 44, 24.90% from 45 to 64, and 7.70% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 36 years. For every 100 females there were 97.00 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 93.70 males.
In 2008, the median income for a household in the county was $88,316, and the median income for a family was $101,444.[12] Also in 2008, the per capita income for the county was $42,786. About 3.50% of families and 4.70% of the population were below the poverty line, including 5.40% of those under age 18 and 8.90% of those age 65 or over.
Williamson County is ranked among the wealthiest counties in the country. In 2006 it was the 17th wealthiest county in the country according to the U.S. Census Bureau, but the Council for Community and Economic Research ranked Williamson County as America’s wealthiest county (1st) when the local cost of living was factored into the equation with median household income.[13] In 2010, Williamson County is listed 17th on the Forbes list of the 25 wealthiest counties in America.[14]
By 2006 Williamson County had a population of 160,781 representing 27.0% population growth since 2000. The census bureau lists Williamson as one of the 100 fastest growing counties in the United States for the period 2000-2005.[15]
Most Williamson county residents are registered Republicans. In the 2004 presidential election, Williamson County voted 72 percent in favor of George W. Bush, 27 percent in favor of Senator John Kerry, and 1 percent in favor of Ralph Nader. In 2008, John McCain took the county with 69% to Barack Obama’s 30%.[16]

140 Achilles Tang  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:57:36pm

re: #48 gwangung

Downding for trying to resurrect old grievances and other pollution of a thread.

Yes I know, downdings are the last resort of dingalings who prefer to roll over when they have nothing else to say. You don’t even know what the “pollution” you reference was about, do you?

Disagreement is pollution is it?

141 TedStriker  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:58:49pm

re: #140 Achilles Tang

And…we’re done.

142 Achilles Tang  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:59:09pm

re: #135 klys

You want to dictate how she responds to you.

The thing is, you don’t get to. Continuing to try just makes you look like an ass, and people respond accordingly.

You sir are an ass. Queenie never responded except with insults, exactly like you do.

143 Kragar  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:59:30pm

re: #134 HappyWarrior

Yeah that’s the strangest thing. And to go with that, it always amuses me hearing that blacks need to get “over” slavery from the same people who aren’t over the fact that CSA got their ass handed to them in the end.

Ask a Wingnut southerner what should be done if terrorists launched an attack on a US military base inside the US and declared they were establishing their own country.

Let them vent their spleen.

Then mention Ft. Sumter.

144 Achilles Tang  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 8:00:54pm

re: #141 TedStriker

And…we’re done.

You also have no idea what you are commenting on, do you?

145 TedStriker  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 8:00:57pm

re: #142 Achilles Tang

Now you can just piss off.

146 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 8:01:22pm

re: #139 TedStriker

Somehow, when Victoria Jackson (RWNJ deluxe of SNL fame) moved here to Tennessee, ostensibly to be near one of her daughters that goes to Trevecca Nazarene University, I figured she might want to test her waters in the political game in a wingnut-friendly arena sooner or later. Looks like it’ll be sooner, rather than later:

Tennessean: Former SNL star Victoria Jackson may run for Williamson County Commission

For those who don’t know Tennessee politics and geography, Williamson County (which includes the cities of Brentwood and Franklin, as well as Nissan North America’s HQ, among other things), it’s one of the richest counties in the US and one of the most lily-white and “conservative” in the Nashville MSA:

And I thought that she just PLAYED a bubble headed dumb blonde, but from what I’ve read of her public pronouncements it wasn’t an act. I hope the good people of Franklin have more sense than that.

RBS

147 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 8:02:05pm

re: #143 Kragar

Ask a southerner what should be done if terrorists launched an attack on a US military base inside the US and declared they were establishing their own country.

Let them vent their spleen.

Then mention Ft. Sumter.

As a southerner, I’ve asked that very question. Never get a straight answer though. Tell you though this much as a Virginian, the most maddening to me are the northern and western political transplants who pander to it. Take George Allen, a son of Irvine, California and a man with a mother from Tunisia pandering to that crowd. I’m proud to be a Virginian- Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, and so many others but our role in the CSA and later upholding Jim Crow embarrasses me.

148 Kragar  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 8:03:04pm

re: #147 HappyWarrior

I did revise my statement to cover wingnut southerners

149 TedStriker  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 8:04:40pm

re: #144 Achilles Tang

You also have no idea what you are commenting on, do you?

Frankly, I don’t give two shits about your little feud with CL; y’all are presumably both grown folks and can handle your own business without an intervention from Charles.

However, bringing it up in a live thread to keep it alive with potshots because she got tired of your shit and shut her Page in question down because of it is lame and make you look like an ass who just can’t let shit go.

My advise to you, which is worth exactly as much as you’re paying for it: Just chill, let that other stuff go, and move on to new business.

150 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 8:05:52pm

re: #148 Kragar

I did revise my statement to cover wingnut southerners

Hah no worries. I’m probably nothing but a Yankee to them anyhow though. My only Civil War veteran ancestor was a German immigrant living in Pennsylvania. I’m proud of that.

151 Single-handed sailor  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 8:06:06pm

re: #124 jaunte

Free highways will destroy our railroad barons!

That’s why the Feds tax the highways!
/

152 blueraven  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 8:08:19pm

Somebody ate their copy of How to Win Friends and Influence People

153 Belafon  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 8:09:58pm

re: #115 Romantic Heretic

You have more land than we do, and you’ve been here just as long.

154 Bridgeghazi: Never Forget!!11!!!!11  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 8:12:32pm

re: #146 RealityBasedSteve

I learned she was a wingnut several years ago. I was surprised.
My mother in Law (Mayor of Greater Wingnuttia) use to talk about her.
Apparently, she was raised by seriously strict and whacked out religious nut cases. She then broke away from them for a time, but after being disillusioned with show business, drifted back to the fold.

155 Achilles Tang  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 8:13:53pm

re: #50 Dark_Falcon

GAZE

Image: troll.jpg

Cool. Almost as good as the insult in place of argument that what’s her name did multiple times.

For someone who has taken more crap over the years than just about anyone I can think of, to have you blindly join the dingalings is, as I said earlier, dissapointing.

I’m reminded years ago when I first came here and took all kinds of crap from the Christian bigots that Charles thankfully banished. Now it seems we have a new clique of politically correct kumbaya’s who have forgotten what a debate is about. It seems to be mostly “stroke me”.

156 TedStriker  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 8:14:02pm

re: #146 RealityBasedSteve

And I thought that she just PLAYED a bubble headed dumb blonde, but from what I’ve read of her public pronouncements it wasn’t an act. I hope the good people of Franklin have more sense than that.

RBS

She’s mulling a run at a Williamson County Commission seat; in layman’s terms, it’s like the Metro Council here in Nashville/Davidson County, the TN General Assembly up on our Capitol Hill, or Congress in DC.

Williamson County Board of Commissioners, also known as the County Commission, is the legislative body of the county government and as such it is the primary policy-making body in the county.
The County Commission consists of 24 elected members, Two from each of the 12 voting districts of Williamson County, who serve a four-year term of office.
The County Commission operates with a committee structure - most Commission business is first considered by a committee of its members before coming to the full Commission. Williamson County has a number of both standing, statutory and rotating committees.

Unfortunately, I think her celebrity and wingnuttiness is gonna give her more of a chance than she’d otherwise have.

157 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 8:15:24pm

re: #150 HappyWarrior

Hah no worries. I’m probably nothing but a Yankee to them anyhow though. My only Civil War veteran ancestor was a German immigrant living in Pennsylvania. I’m proud of that.

My ancestors were southern Unionists on both sides of the family; my father’s in Tennessee; my mother’s in north Texas. The Appalachian hill folk in particular did not take well to the Confederacy. There were armed rebellions against the Confederacy in North Carolina and Tennessee, successful in some cases, ruthlessly suppressed in others. Of course, western Virginia split completely and created a new state. The hill people had always resented aristocratic lowlanders and had few slaves, meaning they just did not have a dog in the fight with the north.

In the rush for national reconciliation late in the 19th century, the role of the Unionists was continuously minimized and later vilified. This process and its execrable “Lost Cause” mythology peaked in the 1930s, with Unionists caricatured as scalawags and traitors in such works as Gone With the Wind. It has taken most of a century to even begin the work of righting this history, though ample documentation exists and has always been available.

158 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 8:19:37pm

re: #142 Achilles Tang

Youtube Video

159 Achilles Tang  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 8:20:18pm

re: #60 goddamnedfrank

Face it dude, she’s just not that into you. It’s time to stop following her around and trying to make it a thing.

Face it Dude, this would have died a long time ago if it wasn’t for Dudes like you. If the person in question had ignored, or responded with any form of logic to my comments, which were not gratuitious insults, with anything but gratuitous insults, then there would be nothing to discuss now.

Instead I receive nothing but insults or platitudes from people who mostly don’t even know what the issue was.

I don’t take crap. Simple.

160 Achilles Tang  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 8:20:44pm

re: #158 Dark_Falcon

Don’t have time to watch.

161 Bridgeghazi: Never Forget!!11!!!!11  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 8:20:50pm

re: #157 Shiplord Kirel

The Appalachian hill folk in particular did not take well to the Confederacy.

Yep, my Great Grandfather, from Appalachia, fought for the Union. So did his Dad and most of the folks he knew.

They were not about to fight and die for a bunch of rich slave owners.

162 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 8:21:50pm

re: #160 Achilles Tang

Don’t have time to watch.

Nor to think, it would appear.

163 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 8:23:48pm

Sigh. Apparently there’s another outbreak of passive aggressive crankiness.

164 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 8:24:19pm

Anyone want to take a break for something funny?


Here is the video, it’s hilarious…

Youtube Video

165 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 8:24:42pm

And I’m not talking about the whinging in this thread.

166 Belafon  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 8:25:32pm

re: #159 Achilles Tang

Face it Dude, this would have died a long time ago if it wasn’t for Dudes like you. If the person in question had ignored, or responded with any form of logic to my comments, which were not gratuitious insults, with anything but gratuitous insults, then there would be nothing to discuss now.

I doubt it. Most rational people would have realized they’re not getting the answers they want and would have given up.

167 TedStriker  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 8:25:33pm

re: #162 Dark_Falcon

Nor to think, it would appear.

Just drop it, ignore him, and carry on; he’ll either get the idea and chill or he’ll continue to act like an ass at his peril, since Charles is already clued in.

Me, I’m through with him for the night.

168 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 8:25:39pm

re: #163 Charles Johnson

Sigh. Apparently there’s another outbreak of passive aggressive crankiness.

No, its just plain aggressive with a side order of DARVO. Thanks for that term, BTW, it has proven useful.

169 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 8:27:14pm

re: #144 Achilles Tang

You also have no idea what you are commenting on, do you?

I do, I was there. You didn’t present any arguments. CL’s page detailed the history / origins of the word Islamophobia, intended to refute the often asserted idea that it was invented by Muslims and/or liberals as a way of deflecting legitimate criticism of islamist terrorist groups and their attacks. Her findings showed that it predates 9/11:

Early in 1997 the Commission on British Muslims and Islamophobia, under the chairmanship of Professor Gordon Conway, issued a consultative document. The final report, Islamophobia: A Challenge for Us All, was launched in November 1997 by the Home Secretary, Jack Straw.

This was the first time that the subject of Islamophobia had been comprehensively tackled in relation to a British Muslim population estimated at between 1.2 and 1.4 million. Sixty recommendations were put forward in the report targeted at government departments, bodies and agencies, local and regional statutory bodies, and voluntary and private bodies. It attracted, and continues to attract, wide interest and media coverage in both the UK and abroad.

Your response boiled down to a largely insubstantial so what. Honestly it wasn’t deserving of any real debate. The rest of the thread focused largely the inadequacy of the term “fear” as a translation for phobia. I pointed out that the antonym for phobia is philia, and that this should be instructive. That in chemistry and materials science the terms largely related to rejection/repellence and attraction/absorption, and that this was a better framework for how they be used sociologically.

I just took a look back in the archives, and you’ve been doing this whiny shit for years, focusing for the most part on just a few female users, primarily CL and wrenchwench. It’s old dude, it’s so fucking old.

170 Belafon  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 8:30:42pm

re: #169 goddamnedfrank

It’s weird, but over at Balloon Juice, there were commenters that would only appear with certain diarists and would harass them to no end. They would rarely show up anywhere else. And who did they go after: The women and the blacks. Virtual stalking, it’s a real thing.

171 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 8:32:34pm

Well I’m outta here. I’ll catch you all tomorrow sometime.

RBS

172 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 8:35:22pm

By halftime I didn’t think this was possible…

173 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 8:37:12pm

re: #169 goddamnedfrank

I do, I was there. You didn’t present any arguments. CL’s page detailed the history / origins of the word Islamophobia, intended to refute the often asserted idea that it was invented by Muslims and/or liberals as a way of deflecting legitimate criticism of islamist terrorist groups and their attacks. Her findings showed that it predates 9/11:

Early in 1997 the Commission on British Muslims and Islamophobia, under the chairmanship of Professor Gordon Conway, issued a consultative document. The final report, Islamophobia: A Challenge for Us All, was launched in November 1997 by the Home Secretary, Jack Straw.

Your response boiled down to a largely insubstantial so what. Honestly it wasn’t deserving of any real debate. The rest of the thread focused largely the inadequacy of the term “fear” as a translation for phobia. I pointed out that the antonym for phobia is philia, and that this should be instructive. That in chemistry and materials science the terms largely related to rejection/repellence and attraction/absorption, and that this was a better framework for how they be used sociologically.

I just took a look back in the archives, and you’ve been doing this whiny shit for years, focusing for the most part on just a few female users, primarily CL and wrenchwench. It’s old dude, it’s so fucking old.

Sadly, going after women online is very much an ongoing phenomenon.

See here, here, and here for more details about how some men seem to get their jollies harassing women online.

174 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 8:47:03pm
175 The War TARDIS  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 8:47:57pm

Somebody linked to an NY Daily Mail article earlier. Something in the side bar made me curious:

Man dies from caffeine overdose, ingested ‘spoonfuls’ of powder equivalent to 70 cans of red bull

What were you doing, trying to go to the moon without a rocket?

176 Chrysicat  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 8:50:20pm

re: #175 The War TARDIS

Real alternative newspaper in the NYC area, or a shot at the Daily News’s ideological setup? :-P

177 The War TARDIS  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 9:00:32pm

re: #176 Chrysicat

No, I am just tired and fucked up the name.

178 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 9:07:16pm
179 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 9:26:28pm

re: #178 NJDhockeyfan

Bye, bye miss american pie…

180 Egregious Philbin  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 9:35:58pm

As soon as the ad finished, I said “I have to go check Free Republic for a larf”, and they didn’t disappoint.

Such angry, joyless and clueless folk. The America they want never existed, and they are becoming a distant dot in the rear view mirror of the ever changing world.

Fine with me…less of them the better.

181 fern01  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 9:44:28pm

re: #169 goddamnedfrank

I just took a look back in the archives, and you’ve been doing this whiny shit for years, focusing for the most part on just a few female users, primarily CL and wrenchwench. It’s old dude, it’s so fucking old.

And that’s an interesting thought. I worked for years with a guy who wanted to talk religion in the office - all day - every day. He used to focus on the women because they were usually too polite to tell him to f.. o..

I must have missed out when that side of women was created - cause he tried it with me - just the once.

182 klys  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 9:45:20pm

re: #181 fern01

I just took a look back in the archives, and you’ve been doing this whiny shit for years, focusing for the most part on just a few female users, primarily CL and wrenchwench. It’s old dude, it’s so fucking old.

And that’s an interesting thought. I worked for years with a guy who wanted to talk religion in the office - all day - every day. He used to focus on the women because they were usually too polite to tell him to f.. o..

I must have missed out when that side of women was created - cause he tried it with me - just the once.

CL tells him, it just never takes.

Hence it showing up here tonight.

183 fern01  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 9:48:19pm

re: #182 klys

This one is sure persistent - everyone seems to be telling him - the female side of it just reminded me that it happens in the real world as well - maybe face to face it’s easier to get rid of them.

184 sagehen  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 9:56:51pm

I didn’t take that commercial as being immigrants at all — it came across to me as kids in other countries learning to love America because they love our music and dance and soft drinks.

185 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 9:58:21pm

186 GunstarGreen  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 10:02:55pm

re: #143 Kragar

Ask a Wingnut southerner what should be done if terrorists launched an attack on a US military base inside the US and declared they were establishing their own country.

Let them vent their spleen.

Then mention Ft. Sumter.

A whole lot of the base worldview of the American Right requires that one just outright ignore history.

See also: A bunch of ‘Murcans bitching about a coke commercial demanding that people “speak english”, when not a single damned one of the rotten, history-denying sacks of shit speaks Navajo. You want to talk about dirty furr’n immigrants taking our jerbs? What the hell do they think the colonies and Manifest Destiny were?

I agree, immigrants should learn the native tongue or get out. We’ll start with Jeb and Bubba.

187 darthstar  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 10:10:02pm

188 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 10:25:16pm

Hola.

189 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 10:44:16pm

re: #187 darthstar

Not exactly

, Bates broke with the party to endorse Democratic presidential candidate John W. Davis in 1924 because of Republican opposition to American participation in the League of Nations.

And why did the Repubs oppose joining at that time??

The League lacked its own armed force and depended on the Great Powers to enforce its resolutions, keep to its economic sanctions, or provide an army when needed. However, the Great Powers were often reluctant to do so. Sanctions could hurt League members, so they were reluctant to comply with them

Post WW1 the repubs in the US didn’t want 2nd and 3rd world countries to form ‘blocks” getting together sanctioning 1st world countries

190 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 10:46:13pm


They should worry more about the tens of thousands of adoptable dogs and cats they kill before talking about Broadway Joe’s beautiful fur coat.

191 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 10:48:06pm

re: #187 darthstar

re: #189 sattv4u2

ALSO,,,,, iirc, Bates was presumed to be a lesbian, mainly because she was in what was commonly referred to in the times as a “Boston Marriage”, a relationship between two females that may involve both physical and emotional intimacy

193 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 11:27:38pm

re: #192 Varek Raith

The Bloodbath of B-R5RB, Gaming’s Most Destructive Battle Ever

The rundown of the battle reads like some of the worst strategic blunders in war history. An off-guard force struggles to bring in reinforcements while the units there, even though they’re numerically superior, end up getting poorly managed. So that what should have been a close but decisive victory ends up turning into a rout.

194 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 11:42:21pm

re: #193 Targetpractice

The rundown of the battle reads like some of the worst strategic blunders in war history. An off-guard force struggles to bring in reinforcements while the units there, even though they’re numerically superior, end up getting poorly managed. So that what should have been a close but decisive victory ends up turning into a rout.

Yep, those coalitions are run by egomaniacs.
They always do silly shit like that.
Derp.

195 Lidane  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 11:54:50pm

re: #190 NJDhockeyfan

Pfft. PETA sucks anyway. They’re the Michael Moores of the activist world. They spend so much time making themselves the center of the story that their cause gets left by the wayside.

196 Lidane  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 11:57:03pm

re: #186 GunstarGreen

A whole lot of the base worldview of the American Right requires that one just outright ignore history.

See also: the 2012 election. The right wing was quite literally watching a different election than the rest of us. It’s no wonder they went bonkers when Obama got re-elected. It didn’t fit their alternate reality bubble.

197 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:10:03am

All the dipshits screaming about the commercial and multiculturalism being anti-American seem to think that there is some sort of unifying white American culture that is being disparaged here.

Multiculturalism extends beyond just brown and black people and immigrants. It also includes whites since there is no monolithic white culture to point at. Sure, there are regional American cultures (Southern, Midwest, California, Appalachian, etc.) but beyond that, what is “white culture”? Is it German? Irish? French? English? Italian? Swedish? Dutch? Romanian? Russian? Scottish? All of the disparate cultures that make up white America have their own traditions, their own foods, and yes — their own languages.

It’s a much more complicated idea than the nutjobs would like to believe, so they default to SPEAK ENGLISH and WHITE CULTURE BEING OPPRESSED when they see spots like this one. It’s annoying.

198 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:07:26am

People who have no understanding of what patriotism means (certainly not whining bout nullification and secession whenever Congress passes a law they disagree with) are the ones who cling to symbols of patriotism to express their shallow, subjective concept of it: flag lapel pins, anthems, guns, guys with beards like Biblical patriarchs or Confederate cavalry officers, etc.

And they get upset at anything that does not fit the mold.

And they have come to pick fights with some odd opponents: Girl Scouts, single moms (especially ones trying to get an education), minorities, gays, immigrants, minimum-wage and union employees, athiests, etc.

Pretty much anyone who is not a self-employed bearded white guy with a flag lapel pin and a large collection of firearms.

199 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:18:06am

re: #198 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

People who have no understanding of what patriotism means (certainly not whining bout nullification and secession whenever Congress passes a law they disagree with) are the ones who cling to symbols of patriotism to express their shallow, subjective concept of it: flag lapel pins, anthems, guns, guys with beards like Biblical patriarchs or Confederate cavalry officers, etc.

Not surprisingly, they’re also the same people who cling to a very shallow definiton of religious faith. They have decided that a collection of books written at different times and in different languages is somehow a single monolith that is entirely consistent and the honest literal truth. And their idea of a deity is a very weak one, too, since any ideas or truths that deviate from their shallow interpretations are an insult to that God and must be stopped.

200 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:24:22am

re: #199 Lidane

Not surprisingly, they’re also the same people who cling to a very shallow definiton of religious faith. They have decided that a collection of books written at different times and in different languages is somehow a single monolith that is entirely consistent and the honest literal truth. And their idea of a deity is a very weak one, too, since any ideas or truths that deviate from their shallow interpretations are an insult to that God and must be stopped.

And they have little idea what it means to be a real man in the modern age: they cling to outdated symbols and rituals of displaying sexuality and manhood that have more to do with our nomadic forbearers than with the world we have come to live in.

201 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:46:12am

re: #197 Lidane

All the dipshits screaming about the commercial and multiculturalism being anti-American seem to think that there is some sort of unifying white American culture that is being disparaged here.

Multiculturalism extends beyond just brown and black people and immigrants. It also includes whites since there is no monolithic white culture to point at. Sure, there are regional American cultures (Southern, Midwest, California, Appalachian, etc.) but beyond that, what is “white culture”? Is it German? Irish? French? English? Italian? Swedish? Dutch? Romanian? Russian? Scottish? All of the disparate cultures that make up white America have their own traditions, their own foods, and yes — their own languages.

It’s a much more complicated idea than the nutjobs would like to believe, so they default to SPEAK ENGLISH and WHITE CULTURE BEING OPPRESSED when they see spots like this one. It’s annoying.

On the Right there’s this whole weird fixation on the term “melting pot” and how that means the individual immigrant is supposed to change, melt, into the population. And since America’s population is over 330 million at this point that means that the overall flavor of the pot isn’t supposed to change much in return, it’s all on the immigrant to adapt to the pre-existing culture. That primarily means language in their eyes because language is obviously the biggest barrier between people. Cuisine can be shared, it’s readily accessible, everyone has a stomach. I remember in the past when something like sushi seemed exotic, and older white relatives balked at the idea of anything too spicy, but that’s all largely done away with.

But other new experiences are less reflexively welcomed, ethnic music isn’t the easiest sell, even when it has no vocals. The experience is more obviously foreign and it takes more of an open mind to seek it out. Americans produce most of their own media, and with the exception of younger generations of anime fans we produce most of what we consume right here.

The revanchists really start to get cranky with native dress, especially culturally specific attire for women. Which to a very small degree is understandable inasmuch as its retention is for modesty, an idea American society has been moving away from for over a century at this point. I had an appointment recently with an ethnic Indian / Pakistani female eye doctor who’s highly traditional dress might easily be an actual, objectionable barrier for some people, in spite of her perfect, accentless English, education and qualifications.

Language is obviously the biggest barrier, it’s the alien presentation of ideas, literally inscrutable to those without some basis for understanding. English has no problem adopting foreign words, but Americans unfortunately often do not expect to hear foreign languages spoken. The exceptions are tourist cities, when I lived in Montecito / Santa Barbara I heard a different foreign language almost every day, and of course Spanish was spoken there before there even was a US Constitution.

Learning a new language takes time and for most people a lot of hard work. It’s easy to think, “hey they’re here, they should adapt to me.” And the thing is most (almost all) do, but the expectation that they should abandon their old language amongst themselves, in public or not, is totally unreasonable. The speed with which they pick up English doesn’t depend on that, and even if it did it’s nobody elses business how fast they become fluent, if they ever become fluent. How well or fully they adapt linguistically isn’t anybody else’s business, if it’s important to them they’ll try as best they’re able.

Lastly Americans don’t really appreciate how difficult learning English is, especially American English. Compared to the rules that govern most other languages American English is fucking anarchy, filled with ridiculous exceptions totally ungoverned by rhyme or reason. Our colloquial bullshit is mind bogglingly impenetrable when viewed initially from the outside. The only advantage learners have is Hollywood, in that so much of the world already consumes American movies and television. It’s easier for them to find engaging media to learn from, even while it imparts its own gross distortions about what our society is like.

202 thecommodore  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:59:03am

re: #68 Feline Fearless Leader

In the old days Todd would think twice before crossing the Coca-Cola Company.

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That! Was! AWESOME!

203 thecommodore  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:13:44am

re: #100 HappyWarrior

Tax cuts ahoy and spending tons on defense does not make one a fiscal conservative. It makes one an idiot.

TAX CUTS INCREASE REVENUE WE’D’VE HAD A SURPLUS IF THE DEMOCRATS DIDN’T SPEND SO MUCH AND IF THEY REIGNED IN FANNIE AND FREDDIE!1!1!1!1!1!

204 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:44:50am

We have another Winter Storm Warning for this afternoon until tomorrow morning. This is really getting tiresome.
OTOH, the schools here have been closed since January 17. Guess they’ll be making up missed days well into summer.

205 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:57:41am

I see some people on eBay are selling M2 Carbine conversion kit parts.

Man that takes balls.

206 Greup  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:07:59am

Speaking of singing traditional songs in ways to anger traditionalists.

I give you the swedish LGBT response to the Sotchi Olympics: The russian national anthemn.
Youtube Video

As usual the comments can be quite entertaining.

207 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:08:29am

re: #201 goddamnedfrank

This is just their meme—“SPEAK ENGLISH and WHITE CULTURE BEING OPPRESSED”

The people who run the show aren’t that unsophisticated. Many of them do speak another language, have traveled, have friends from other countries.

There is more to it than the “diversity” thing, and the more reactionary types play to the xenophobia exhibited by a lot of people in this country. A lot of that fear erupted when people who had marginal type jobs saw them going to people who would work for even less than they were making, then saw those same immigrants moving into their neighborhoods, living frugally and opening up their own businesses—what many immigrants over the years did to get ahead and provide for their families.

And it made them furious because it shoved them to the bottom again. But we have also seen the same attitude from the middle class as well. The college graduates who complain that foreign workers are being sponsored by companies to come to the US and work for less are no less bigots than the American whose job was taken by a foreign worker because a company wanted to cut labor costs, and the economics of importing workers, not an organic type of immigration, is at the root of many a person’s dissatisfaction. Not only were employers importing workers, they were exporting jobs at the same time. This new economic phenomenon, this globalization effect, has changed everything.

Look, even the most racist people will adapt to foods and other cultural aspects of those “different” from ourselves, even if it is an “Americanized” version of it, like Taco Bell or most Chinese food. And BTW, if I won’t eat sushi, it’s not because it’s Japanese, it’s because I just won’t eat raw fish. Just as American food (even if it is McDonald’s) is adapted to the culture of other countries, we in the US adapt a lot of food to our own tastes as well.

Most people, unless they know they’re going to be working overseas or using another language frequently, will not bother even learning one in school. I learned Spanish a long time ago, taking it in HS, but I never used it. So in my 30s, I took it again at comm college. It would be 30 more years before there were enough Spanish speaking people in my area for me to try to use it, and believe me, working in Lowe’s selling lumber, I did have occasion to try to dredge it up from time to time, rusty as it was.

So, let’s not make presumptions here. I really don’t think anyone moving to another country expects the population of that country to engage them in their own language (well, maybe Americans do). If I move to Japan, I’m probably going to have to learn Japanese to not only get along, but to meet people and expand friendships. Or should I just expect people to all speak English?

I think most of us are accommodating to those not “like us”. What no one wants to see is a superior attitude that says we’ll never get along because I’m better than you are because x, y, z. When one group of people start lording it over another, that’s when the real problems develop. And that’s exactly the kind of exercise the Rs are engaging in when they promote xenophobia, misogyny, racism and class warfare.

208 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:09:38am

What are they doing to our language? We are the head honchos around here and if they don’t like to ride in our rodeo, they should stay away from our appaloosas!!!

209 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:53:01am

Who’s shooting cops these days?

Cobb officer shot during traffic stop

ajc.com

210 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:57:46am

re: #209 Justanotherhuman

Who’s shooting cops these days?

Cobb officer shot during traffic stop

ajc.com

We learned in driving school to just put our hands on the wheel or the dashboard in plain sight and wait for the cop to approach the car.

211 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:07:59am

Ice storm tomorrow.
Woot.
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212 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:16:12am

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213 chadu  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:16:33am

re: #75 HappyWarrior

Wonder what he’d think of Martin Van Buren*
*Only president who grew up speaking a language other than English as his first language.

Hell, I’m not sure I know what I think of Martin Van Buren.

Wasn’t he the Fop President?

214 chadu  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:20:29am

re: #126 Decatur Deb

Tom Paine would be a dudebro today.

That’s… remarkably apt.

215 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:29:21am

re: #116 HappyWarrior

Yet if you bring up the Southern Strategy, it’s somehow ancient history. Must be nice to be in right wing fantasy world.

Wingnuts deny the Southern Strategy was ever a thing.

216 chadu  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:33:51am

re: #201 goddamnedfrank

Cuisine can be shared, it’s readily accessible, everyone has a stomach. I remember in the past when something like sushi seemed exotic, and older white relatives balked at the idea of anything too spicy, but that’s all largely done away with.

My recent move to semi-rural SW PA proves I am living in the past. Anything other than utility-Chinese or utility-Mexican (and not in all cases, there*) is “too weird.”

For example: in an area full of Italians and Greeks, Lebanese food is “too weird” to even try. The only reason one or two people in my family have even tried sushi is that it’s available at the bigger Chinese buffets and Japanese steakhouses.

* My father does not like even higher-grade Chinese or Mexican (we’re not even talking semi-authentic), and my step-father refuses to even eat utility-Mexican.

217 chadu  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:35:33am

O/T

And I’m still not seeing how to resize text.

Normal HTML tags here don’t seem to work.

Little help?

218 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:36:28am

Nerd humor.

219 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:36:36am

re: #195 Lidane

Pfft. PETA sucks anyway. They’re the Michael Moores of the activist world. They spend so much time making themselves the center of the story that their cause gets left by the wayside.

They are much lamer than Michael Moore. They are the Westboro Baptist of Animal Rights.

220 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:38:04am

re: #219 Pie-onist Overlord

They are much lamer than Michael Moore. They are the Westboro Baptist of Animal Rights.

It’s what happens when you are convinced that your cause is an end that justifies all means.

221 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:45:18am

re: #205 goddamnedfrank

I see some people on eBay are selling M2 Carbine conversion kit parts.

Man that takes balls.

Well, unless you live in Washington state (or if your state bans the parts) you can legally own the parts. Better not also own a M1 Carbine though or the “constructive” clause can bite you.

My guess is that ebay doesn’t have a clue.

222 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:47:17am

re: #221 William Barnett-Lewis

Well, unless you live in Washington state (or if your state bans the parts) you can legally own the parts. Better not also own a M1 Carbine though or the “constructive” clause can bite you.

My guess is that ebay doesn’t have a clue.

I thought eBay was very strict about enforcing its policy of NO GUNS OR GUN PARTS.

223 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:48:12am

Snowden is not free? Since when?

224 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:50:35am

re: #223 Pie-onist Overlord

Snowden is not free? Since when?

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He is not free to act in impunity and face no consequences for his actions. Otherwise known as Dudebro Gulag.

225 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:51:55am

How many languages have a word for Derp?

226 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:54:18am

HURR HURR!!!1!!!!!!

227 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:56:00am

Bryan is being consistent: he insists that you sing praises to the Lord only according to his version of how to sing them, and that you sing praises to America only in his language of choice.

228 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:03:14am

re: #222 Pie-onist Overlord

I thought eBay was very strict about enforcing its policy of NO GUNS OR GUN PARTS.

Not much restriction on parts. If you search ‘mil-spec’ you get pages of Magpul junk to dress your AR15 for Halloween.

229 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:07:28am

Agh frigging iPod lock won’t turn off and I restored it. Right back where I started except now I have to re-sync the music. blah. I just got this thing relatively recently too.

230 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:08:04am

WTFITS

231 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:08:56am

re: #222 Pie-onist Overlord

I thought eBay was very strict about enforcing its policy of NO GUNS OR GUN PARTS.

Too much money in fees not being made by Ebay & PayPal. In the end, money changes everything … ;)

232 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:09:17am

That wingnut is making the false assumption that the GOP War On Women and War Against Obama’s War On Freedom are different things.

233 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:09:30am

re: #216 chadu

My recent move to semi-rural SW PA proves I am living in the past. Anything other than utility-Chinese or utility-Mexican (and not in all cases, there*) is “too weird.”

For example: in an area >full of Italians and Greeks, Lebanese food is “too weird” to even try. The only reason one or two people in my family have even tried sushi is that it’s available at the bigger Chinese buffets and Japanese steakhouses.

* My father does not like even higher-grade Chinese or Mexican (we’re not even talking semi-authentic), and my step-father refuses to even eat utility-Mexican.

Ha, that actually gets me thinking about how my one grandmother is. She’s first generation Slovak-American. Not adventurous or ambitious with her food at all. We like to joke about how there’s “spicy” and “Grandma spicy.”

234 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:12:57am

re: #232 Pie-onist Overlord

That wingnut is making the false assumption that the GOP War On Women and War Against Obama’s War On Freedom are different things.

The profile and avi indicates a female pediatritian. Sad.

235 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:13:32am

Good morning Lizards. Most of local streets got cleared before things froze up overnight. Some icy spots to watch for though. And soon to be covered with more precipitation anyways.

If the Coca-Cola company starts seeing any benefit from stirring up the nut wing, will other companies decide that “any publicity is good publicity” and opt to start being blatantly multi-cultural as well in their commercials?

236 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:14:20am

re: #234 Decatur Deb

The profile and avi indicates a female pediatritian. Sad.

Ben Carson Syndrome.

237 chadu  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:15:35am

re: #233 HappyWarrior

Ha, that actually gets me thinking about how my one grandmother is. She’s first generation Slovak-American. Not adventurous or ambitious with her food at all. We like to joke about how there’s “spicy” and “Grandma spicy.”

My great-grandparents were Slovak/Slovenian immigrants, but my great-grandfather and my grandmother were all about the spicy. Great-grandma… not so much. Bog-standard Italian was pushing her limits.

238 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:17:03am

Check out this hashtag==> #cokeghazi

239 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:17:18am

re: #233 HappyWarrior

Ha, that actually gets me thinking about how my one grandmother is. She’s first generation Slovak-American. Not adventurous or ambitious with her food at all. We like to joke about how there’s “spicy” and “Grandma spicy.”

I see that with the crew* I play cribbage with. Not very adventurous food-wise for the most part. I tone down my chili when I make it for our annual potluck - and I don’t make massively spicy chili in any case. They also consider foods like dolma too exotic or weird looking.

* - Bunch of middle-aged and senior-aged white men. The one is who a professor at Drexel does eat sushi though - so they’re not all total sticks in the mud. ;)

240 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:18:11am

re: #237 chadu

My great-grandparents were Slovak/Slovenian immigrants, but my great-grandfather and my grandmother were >all about the spicy. Great-grandma… not so much. Bog-standard Italian was pushing her limits.

I think it’s more my grandmother’s personality at play here. Conservative in the non-political sense of the word- she’s typically unwilling to try new foods though she did like the green spaghetti that my brother’s wife made. She did recoil though when we told her we tried cow’s heart at a Peruvian restaurant.

241 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:18:28am

re: #230 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS

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Because it’s all about sluts wanting free birth control, remember?

242 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:18:41am

Bryan, Polish jokes are not funny.

243 chadu  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:19:36am

re: #237 chadu

My great-grandparents were Slovak/Slovenian immigrants,

Before anyone gets pedantic, that sector of the family was all Austro-Hungarian up in there. (I believe my ggf was Slovak, while my ggm was Slovenian; at least, she identified as such.)

244 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:19:41am

re: #237 chadu

My great-grandparents were Slovak/Slovenian immigrants, but my great-grandfather and my grandmother were >all about the spicy. Great-grandma… not so much. Bog-standard Italian was pushing her limits.

The week I spent in Germany last year included at one point a hankering for something “spicy”. Best I did was some fra diabla sauce at an Italian place. Just not part of German cuisine it seems beyond using paprika. Though, if I’m going to eat pork and potatoes I will be quite happy to have a German cook it! :)

245 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:20:02am

re: #235 Feline Fearless Leader

Good morning Lizards. Most of local streets got cleared before things froze up overnight. Some icy spots to watch for though. And soon to be covered with more precipitation anyways.

If the Coca-Cola company starts seeing any benefit from stirring up the nut wing, will other companies decide that “any publicity is good publicity” and opt to start being blatantly multi-cultural as well in their commercials?

Production and airtime had to cost several million dollars. Coke tested that sucker to death before finalizing it.

246 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:20:27am

re: #243 chadu

Before anyone gets pedantic, that sector of the family was all Austo-Hungarian up in there. (I believe my ggf was Slovak, while my ggm was Slovenian; at least, she identified as such.)

And here I thought my brothers and my mom and her brother were the only Slovak-Slovenians.

247 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:21:18am

re: #245 Decatur Deb

Production and airtime had to cost several million dollars. Coke tested that sucker to death before finalizing it.

I am sure they were counting on Wingnut Rage (TM) as a factor to provide even more free publicity and airtime

248 chadu  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:21:34am

re: #239 Feline Fearless Leader

I tone down my chili when I make it for our annual potluck - and I don’t make massively spicy chili in any case.

What my family calls chili would make Baby Jebus of Ancho & Poblano cry over its blandness.

249 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:21:50am

Zedushka has a very fine-tuned gag reflex due to years and years of my mother-in-law’s shitty cooking.

It’s virtually impossible to get him to try something different. He won’t even taste my homemade salad dressing, he just likes that bottled crap on his bowl of iceberg.

But he does love All The Pies.

250 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:22:23am

re: #246 HappyWarrior

And here I thought my brothers and my mom and her brother were the only Slovak-Slovenians.

Isn’t that like ethnic incest? Sorta like an Australian breeding with a New Zealander or a Tasmanian?

251 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:22:23am

re: #245 Decatur Deb

Production and airtime had to cost several million dollars. Coke tested that sucker to death before finalizing it.

And pretty much knew therefore that irritating a vocal minority was not going to hurt sales.

252 chadu  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:23:02am

re: #246 HappyWarrior

And here I thought my brothers and my mom and her brother were the only Slovak-Slovenians.

Well, your family is from PA, right? SW PA?

We’re all about the Euro-Mutt Miscegenation here.

Example: Where did I learn to polka? At Italian weddings.

253 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:23:12am

I think I’m a product of my environment when it comes to what I like food wise. I love trying new things to the point where I like to avoid having the same thing in consecutive days.

254 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:23:45am

re: #252 chadu

Well, your family is from PA, right? SW PA?

We’re all about the Euro-Mutt Miscegenation here.

Example: Where did I learn to polka? At Italian weddings.

Yep Johnstown on Mom’s and Pittsburgh on the krautmick father’s.

255 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:24:19am

re: #252 chadu

Well, your family is from PA, right? SW PA?

We’re all about the Euro-Mutt Miscegenation here.

Example: Where did I learn to polka? At Italian weddings.

At Jewish weddings we do Greek dancing.

256 chadu  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:24:25am

re: #240 HappyWarrior

I think it’s more my grandmother’s personality at play here. Conservative in the non-political sense of the word- she’s typically unwilling to try new foods though she did like the green spaghetti that my brother’s wife made. She did recoil though when we told her we tried cow’s heart at a Peruvian restaurant.

Yup, my ggm was like that. On the other hand, my grandma (her daughter) inherited her tastes from her father, and would cheerfully gobble down pigs’ feet and whatnot.

257 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:24:57am

Favorite songs played at Jewish weddings:
ZORBA THE GREEK
LAND DOWN UNDER

258 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:25:02am

re: #248 chadu

What my family calls chili would make Baby Jebus of Ancho & Poblano cry over its blandness.

Contemplate “Pittsburgh Irish Spicy”. My wife makes Polish Jambalaya for me—kielbasi instead of andouille.

259 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:25:37am

re: #250 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

Isn’t that like ethnic incest? Sorta like an Australian breeding with a New Zealander or a Tasmanian?

Nah, that’s more like a Czech with a Slovak or a Serb with a Slovene. People always assume the two are close because they sound similar but one was part of Czechoslovakia and the otehr Yugoslavia. Both are predominately Catholic tho and as Chadu put it a ton went to Western Pa.

260 chadu  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:26:43am

re: #244 Feline Fearless Leader

The week I spent in Germany last year included at one point a hankering for something “spicy”. Best I did was some fra diabla sauce at an Italian place. Just not part of German cuisine it seems beyond using paprika. Though, if I’m going to eat pork and potatoes I will be quite happy to have a German cook it! :)

You can get a nice semi-spicy, semi-“hot” flavor profile from proper use of smoked Hungarian paprika, crushed red pepper, and judicious use of caraway seed.

261 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:27:11am

re: #258 Decatur Deb

Contemplate “Pittsburgh Irish Spicy”. My wife makes Polish Jambalaya for me—kielbasi instead of andouille.

Ha! My mom does that too. Been begging her to get andouille so we can get the real thing but grandma don’t like the spicy.

262 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:27:19am

re: #248 chadu

What my family calls chili would make Baby Jebus of Ancho & Poblano cry over its blandness.

The chile pepper mix is what I’m working with nowadays. Have hit a meat/tomato/etc. ratio that produces a nice base flavor and consistency. Now I’m trying to get the peppers right for flavor and the right amount of heat.

Last batch was jalapeno, Thai dragon (a variety of birdseye pepper), and poblano. Given the audience I knew not to let a habenaro near the cutting board. Though I also need to hit a good wholesale place and get a better brand of chile powder than the commercial stuff I am currently using.

263 chadu  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:28:46am

re: #249 Pie-onist Overlord

It’s virtually impossible to get him to try something different. He won’t even taste my homemade salad dressing, he just likes that bottled crap on his bowl of iceberg.

I will never voluntarily eat iceberg lettuce again. It’s all I had growing up.

Now I like mesclun, frisee, kale, spinach, and arugula.

THANKS, OBAMA!

But he does love All The Pies.

There’s hope for him, then. ;)

264 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:29:12am

re: #209 Justanotherhuman

Who’s shooting cops these days?

Cobb officer shot during traffic stop

ajc.com

Have you seen this yet? My wife went to school with this guy and his mom lives down the road from where we just moved from. He’s a police captain in Waynesboro.

Investigation of Missing Nelson Co. Man Continues

265 chadu  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:29:48am

re: #250 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

Isn’t that like ethnic incest? Sorta like an Australian breeding with a New Zealander or a Tasmanian?

Very apt comparison.

Then again, when a Catholic marrying a Catholic from the next town over is considered a “mixed-marriage”…

266 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:30:04am

Gotta walk the dog before the rain hits—BBL.

267 chadu  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:30:35am

re: #254 HappyWarrior

Yep Johnstown on Mom’s and Pittsburgh on the krautmick father’s.

Thought so. South of Da Burgh, here.

Literally, now.

268 chadu  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:31:13am

re: #255 Pie-onist Overlord

At Jewish weddings we do Greek dancing.

That’s awesome.

269 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:31:22am

Morning Lizard Folks.

I see there was a bit of a demonstration going on last evening. I’m nit sure what to make of it all, but I do have a question.

I did not read Curious Lurker’s page about “Islamaphobia” so I have no feel for whatever went on in it. And to be clear, the fact that I didn’t read it has no inherent political intent, I just didn’t read it. But it seems “Tang” started out his comments with something about the page being deleted. Is that correct? The reason I ask, I did not think anything around here was ever really deleted. I guess I thought overall, you have to live with whatever you put up…good or bad…comments and all.

Are things ever deleted? Just asking…for some perspective to the whole argument.

270 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:31:44am

re: #252 chadu

Well, your family is from PA, right? SW PA?

We’re all about the Euro-Mutt Miscegenation here.

Example: Where did I learn to polka? At Italian weddings.

Heh. I attended a wedding reception in Pittsburgh once. In the buffet line I said to my friend, “Watch, the food will be fried chicken, manicotti, pigs in a blanket*, and some basic vegetable.” Turned around and a person from the catering company standing there said, “You hit it just about dead on.”

It is predictable as buffet food. But it also seems to be traditional in some ways for central and western PA “Euro-Mutt” weddings. Like knowing that at least one polka and “The Chicken Dance” will be played by the DJ.

* - Ground meat (usually pork) rolled in a cabbage leaf. Sort of like a meat dolma when I think about it, but bigger.

271 chadu  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:32:08am

re: #257 Pie-onist Overlord

Favorite songs played at Jewish weddings:
ZORBA THE GREEK
LAND DOWN UNDER

At Italian weddings:
THE CHICKEN DANCE
GODFATHER WALTZ
ELECTRIC SLIDE
(in that order)

272 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:32:30am

re: #269 ObserverArt

Morning Lizard Folks.

I see there was a bit of a demonstration going on last evening. I’m nit sure what to make of it all, but I do have a question.

I did not read Curious Lurker’s page about “Islamaphobia” so I have no feel for whatever went on in it. And to be clear, the fact that I didn’t read it has no inherent political intent, I just didn’t read it. But it seems “Tang” started out his comments with something about the page being deleted. Is that correct? The reason I ask, I did not think anything around here was ever really deleted. I guess I thought overall, you have to live with whatever you put up…good or bad…comments and all.

Are things ever deleted? Just asking…for some perspective to the whole argument.

The page was not deleted, CL just tagged it “not visible” because of all the Derp from Tang & Sideways.

273 chadu  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:33:01am

re: #258 Decatur Deb

Contemplate “Pittsburgh Irish Spicy”. My wife makes Polish Jambalaya for me—kielbasi instead of andouille.

I love your wife and want to have her mutant babies.

(I’ve done that dish myself!)

274 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:34:34am

What’s funny about being a Western Pa Euro-mutt is we seem to have like a magnetic force with other ones. Quite a few of my friends growing up were Western Pa transplants. My dad’s brother married a Pittsburgh girl as did my oldest cousin and to boot his oldest daughter just got engaged to a guy from Pittsburgh.

275 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:36:30am

re: #192 Varek Raith

The Bloodbath of B-R5RB, Gaming’s Most Destructive Battle Ever

I note the similarity to WWI. A minor event that dominoes into a massive that costs both sides dearly and one side more than they could afford.

276 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:36:35am

re: #271 chadu

At Italian western PA weddings:
THE CHICKEN DANCE
GODFATHER WALTZ
ELECTRIC SLIDE
(in that order)

FTFY. Those three have been played at *every* wedding I have attended in western PA in the past 30 years. Germans marrying Germans; English marrying Germans; Germans marrying Italians; etc. etc. etc.

277 chadu  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:37:45am

re: #262 Feline Fearless Leader

The chile pepper mix is what I’m working with nowadays. Have hit a meat/tomato/etc. ratio that produces a nice base flavor and consistency. Now I’m trying to get the peppers right for flavor and the right amount of heat.

For my standard, I use for a full Dutch Oven of chili (2.5-3#):
* 4 ancho pods
* 4 chipotle pods
* a decent chile powder
* Tabasco
* extra cumin, oregano, and red pepper/specific powdered chiles as necessary

To kick it up a notch or make more special, I swap out the “red pepper/specific powdered chiles as necessary” for 2 to 4 new/different chiles.

Though I also need to hit a good wholesale place and get a better brand of chile powder than the commercial stuff I am currently using.

Penzeys mail-order. SRSLY.

penzeys.com

278 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:39:12am

Lol, what a scam.
titanshelters.com

279 chadu  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:39:50am

re: #270 Feline Fearless Leader

Heh. I attended a wedding reception in Pittsburgh once. In the buffet line I said to my friend, “Watch, the food will be fried chicken, manicotti, pigs in a blanket*, and some basic vegetable.” Turned around and a person from the catering company standing there said, “You hit it just about dead on.”

Rigatoni. Otherwise, bullseye. ;)

280 chadu  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:40:36am

re: #276 Feline Fearless Leader

FTFY. Those three have been played at *every* wedding I have attended in western PA in the past 30 years. Germans marrying Germans; English marrying Germans; Germans marrying Italians; etc. etc. etc.

Correction cheerfully accepted!

281 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:42:50am

My grandma’s family on my mom’s side was from Žipov, Prešov, Slovakia. Bunches of families vacated the village in the late 1800s and settled in PA, mostly around the Scranton area.
Grandma’s cooking wasn’t particularly memorable, except for that time when she got her first pressure cooker. She put in a chicken and cooked it as long as she would have done a regular chicken roasted in the oven. Much hilarity ensued when she stuck a fork in it and all that came out was pieces of skeletal remains.

282 chadu  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:45:03am

re: #270 Feline Fearless Leader

pigs in a blanket*
* - Ground meat (usually pork) rolled in a cabbage leaf. Sort of like a meat dolma when I think about it, but bigger.

I can get cabbage rolls from the deli case in Giant Eagle.

…

I know what I’m having for lunch, now.

THANKS, OBAMA FELINE FEARLESS LEADER!

;)

283 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:45:12am

re: #279 chadu

Rigatoni. Otherwise, bullseye. ;)

“Home” cooking for a crowd. And I forgot to mention cookies, lots and lots and lots of homemade cookies.

284 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:47:30am

re: #249 Pie-onist Overlord

Zedushka has a very fine-tuned gag reflex due to years and years of my mother-in-law’s shitty cooking.

It’s virtually impossible to get him to try something different. He won’t even taste my homemade salad dressing, he just likes that bottled crap on his bowl of iceberg.

But he does love All The Pies.

Ahhh…the original American Salad. I remember some modifications were three slivers of shredded carrot, maybe a couple slivers of red cabbage (if they were getting real creative) and a rock dry bland crouton.

And many people didn’t even want to eat that! But then many times it had to be three days old and floating in vinegar and oil!

I love my salads…always shoot for one or two a day. No iceberg though I do use some iceberg on a sandwich…maybe shredded from time to time with other greens for tacos and other garnishes. I love Romaine as the lettuce choice. Also equal amounts of baby spinach, lots of carrots, green peppers, red onion, mild yellow peppers, celery and raisins. That my base salad…I’ll toss in whatever else I may have in stock. Many times I sprinkle in some ground flaxseed and chopped almonds and sprinkle a bit of Parmesan/Romano cheese on top. Something about a salad being a real reviver to me. I can be tired or hot and a nice crisp salad and I perk right up.

And, I would love to try your salad dressing! What are the ingredients?

285 chadu  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:47:31am

re: #283 Feline Fearless Leader

“Home” cooking for a crowd. And I forgot to mention cookies, lots and lots and lots of homemade cookies.

How could you forget the “cookie table”? (shocked, appalled)

FUN FACT: The “cookie table” is when guests bring trays/plates of cookies to the professionally catered wedding reception, just in case.

(“In case of what?” is never answered.)

286 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:47:35am

Morning cuteness…

287 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:48:13am

re: #282 chadu

I can get cabbage rolls from the deli case in Giant Eagle.

…

I know what I’m having for lunch, now.

THANKS, OBAMA FELINE FEARLESS LEADER!

;)

I’m eating brauts and rice myself. I miss being able to get a real good extra garlic find grind kielbassi from Freeport (north of Pittsburgh). :(

288 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:48:41am

I should tell the story of Bubbie’s Pot Roast.

Bubbie instructed her daughter on how to make Pot Roast.
“First you cut the roast in half and put it into two pots.”
Mama did not question Bubbie’s method and dutifully cut the roast in half and made the Pot Roast in two pots.
She did this for years.
Then when she instructed her daughter on the Pot Roast, the daughter said “Why do I have to use two pots? Why can’t I just put the whole thing in one pot?”
“Because Bubbie always used two pots!”
By this time Bubbie had passed away so they couldn’t ask about the reason for the two pots.
However they eventually solved the mystery when cleaning out a back pantry full of Bubbie’s old stuff, they found all her pots, and she didn’t have any that were large enough to hold an entire roast, that’s why she always used two pots.

289 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:49:30am

re: #272 Pie-onist Overlord

The page was not deleted, CL just tagged it “not visible” because of all the Derp from Tang & Sideways.

Thanks! I hadn’t looked it up, but I thought that might be the case. It fits how I thought the board operates.

290 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:51:44am

re: #284 ObserverArt

And, I would love to try your salad dressing! What are the ingredients?

I make different kinds but always, just before serving the salad!

Here’s one of my favorites, Balsamic Vinaigrette

1/4 c. Extra Virgin Olive Oil
1 Tbsp. Baslamic vinegar
1 Tbsp. Lemon Juice
1 Tbsp. Honey
1 tsp. Dijon mustard
1/4 tsp. salt
1/4 tsp. fresh ground pepper
1/4 tsp. Garlic Powder (or 1 clove crushed garlic)

291 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:52:41am

re: #285 chadu

How could you forget the “cookie table”? (shocked, appalled)

FUN FACT: The “cookie table” is when guests bring trays/plates of cookies to the >professionally catered wedding reception, >just in case.

(“In case of what?”” is never answered.)

For western PA you might not find people who do “spicy” - but you will never suffer from a lack of baked goods. Pies, cookies, and (of course) the fearsome “sticky bun”.

Plus if you lived in/near Pittsburgh itself you could get a good bagel in Squirrel Hill.

292 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:54:21am
293 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:54:25am

The gun-fucking memes are very popular on tcot today.

294 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:58:21am

Gun-fucking meme:

295 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:00:55am

This is pretty neat…

296 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:01:21am

re: #259 HappyWarrior

Nah, that’s more like a Czech with a Slovak or a Serb with a Slovene. People always assume the two are close because they sound similar but one was part of Czechoslovakia and the otehr Yugoslavia. Both are predominately Catholic tho and as Chadu put it a ton went to Western Pa.

I am half Slovak, half German…with both sides very much 100% of each.

I posted about some of that a couple weeks ago. Grew up in north central Ohio. We had German family from what was called The Settlement…a group German farmers that had a community based around a little classic Catholic church out in the middle of very productive flat Ohio farmland. I always remember going to the great German church festivals as a kid. You could see the church steeple for miles before you got to the church. And the food was fantastic. All local farm raised chicken and beef, and the soups, noodles, and all the pies and cakes!!!

Just remembering all that reminds me of how bland much of the commercial foods we have today are so different.

The Slovak side was all over northern Ohio all the way up to Cleveland, and some into Pittsburgh.

I remember once saying I was Czechoslovakian to a neighborhood friend. My father heard that and later got after me pretty good explaining the area (at that time - early 60s) might be called Czechoslovakia but WE ARE NOT CZECH!!! Okay…lesson learned.

297 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:02:47am

re: #274 HappyWarrior

What’s funny about being a Western Pa Euro-mutt is we seem to have like a magnetic force with other ones. Quite a few of my friends growing up were Western Pa transplants. My dad’s brother married a Pittsburgh girl as did my oldest cousin and to boot his oldest daughter just got engaged to a guy from Pittsburgh.

The magic glue is Steelers Bars.

steelerbars.com

298 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:05:55am

re: #297 Decatur Deb

The magic glue is Steelers Bars.

steelerbars.com

Fox and Hound here in Center City Philly. :)

299 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:06:07am

re: #286 Backwoods_Sleuth

Morning cuteness…

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I always love the color patterns on cats…but that one is really cute. How could anyone not love that face?!

300 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:08:56am

re: #297 Decatur Deb

The magic glue is Steelers Bars.

steelerbars.com

Ha yep.

301 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:09:17am

re: #290 Pie-onist Overlord

I make different kinds but always, just before serving the salad!

Here’s one of my favorites, Balsamic Vinaigrette

1/4 c. Extra Virgin Olive Oil
1 Tbsp. Baslamic vinegar
1 Tbsp. Lemon Juice
1 Tbsp. Honey
1 tsp. Dijon mustard
1/4 tsp. salt
1/4 tsp. fresh ground pepper
1/4 tsp. Garlic Powder (or 1 clove crushed garlic)

That sounds pretty good. I might try that and amp up the vinegar a bit. I like it a bit on the gag/choke side.

302 darthstar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:10:02am

Mornin’ everyone.

303 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:11:25am

re: #298 Feline Fearless Leader

Fox and Hound here in Center City Philly. :)

Our nearest is in Florida.

304 GlutenFreeJesus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:11:36am

re: #213 chadu

Hell, I’m not sure I know what >I think of Martin Van Buren.

Wasn’t he the Fop President?

I know what some NYers think of Van Buren.

Youtube Video

305 GlutenFreeJesus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:13:46am

re: #290 Pie-onist Overlord

I make different kinds but always, just before serving the salad!

Here’s one of my favorites, Balsamic Vinaigrette

1/4 c. Extra Virgin Olive Oil
1 Tbsp. Baslamic vinegar
1 Tbsp. Lemon Juice
1 Tbsp. Honey
1 tsp. Dijon mustard
1/4 tsp. salt
1/4 tsp. fresh ground pepper
1/4 tsp. Garlic Powder (or 1 clove crushed garlic)

Don’t forget some minced shallots. ;)

306 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:14:20am

re: #296 ObserverArt

(snip)
I remember once saying I was Czechoslovakian to a neighborhood friend. My father heard that and later got after me pretty good explaining the area (at that time - early 60s) might be called Czechoslovakia but WE ARE NOT CZECH!!! Okay…lesson learned.

Heh. I jokingly told a friend of mine that I was part-French. He was sort of surprised by that, and then I explained that it was really Alsatian German on my mother’s side.

And I used to annoy one of my college roommates in the early 80s by telling him he was a damn Russian. (His parents were from the Ukraine.)

307 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:16:04am

re: #305 GlutenFreeJesus

Don’t forget some minced shallots. ;)

I have never used shallots, maybe I will pick some up next time I am at the supermarket. Aren’t they just little tiny onions?

308 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:16:44am

Oh great. We seem to have a bit of a difference on the weather forecast for tonight into tomorrow. Local NBC says 6-10 inches of snow after and bit of icy rain. I checked the area forecast on Weather.com when I first fired up my computers and all they are saying is 1”. I guess Columbus is on a fine line. I hope the local dudes are wrong. I can live with 1”…too much snow already this year. Getting tired of it.

How can the forecasts be so different??? Computer modeling… what does it mean?

309 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:17:44am

Another TCOT gun-fucking meme.

310 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:19:06am

My family is Slovak-German on my father’s side (granddad emigrated to Iowa to work in coal mines), mom’s side Croatian (with some hungarian on my grandmother’s side), she was sent to Cleveland, Ohio to marry someone they had arranged for her.

Family settled in Gary, Indiana, surrounded by Poles, Romanians, Serbs, Greeks, Italians, blacks, Mexicans, hillbiliies, etc…

311 b.d.  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:19:25am

HAS COKE APOLOGIZED TO US YET AND FIRED THE PERSON WHO MADE THAT HORRIBLE,HORRIBLE AD?

312 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:20:13am

re: #308 ObserverArt

Oh great. We seem to have a bit of a difference on the weather forecast for tonight into tomorrow. Local NBC says 6-10 inches of snow after and bit of icy rain. I checked the area forecast on Weather.com when I first fired up my computers and all they are saying is 1”. I guess Columbus is on a fine line. I hope the local dudes are wrong. I can live with 1”…too much snow already this year. Getting tired of it.

How can the forecasts be so different??? Computer modeling… what does it mean?

Here’s the snow/ice accumulation forecast map from the NWS office in Wilmington. Looks like you get the big snow.

erh.noaa.gov

313 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:20:17am

re: #309 Pie-onist Overlord

Another TCOT gun-fucking meme.

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and able to accidentqally kill or maim more passersby than all three put together. WTF? GUNS ARE NOT A MAGIC TALISMAN!!!

314 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:22:54am

TCOT gun-fucking meme

315 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:29:37am

re: #314 Pie-onist Overlord

TCOT gun-fucking meme

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well, these women stand little chance of getting raped…as long as they keep those guns cocked and pointed at thier date’s head…

316 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:29:44am

re: #277 chadu

(snip)
Penzeys mail-order. SRSLY.

penzeys.com

Looking it over now. Some interesting ingredient lists on a few of the items.

317 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:30:10am

re: #233 HappyWarrior

Ha, that actually gets me thinking about how my one grandmother is. She’s first generation Slovak-American. Not adventurous or ambitious with her food at all. We like to joke about how there’s “spicy” and “Grandma spicy.”

My ex-wife’s family thought she was a bit “eccentric” because she enjoyed - and in fact, could actually cook - Thai, Szechuan, and Vietnamese cuisine, all of which is “weird” to the Czech palate. There was a sushi joint in a medium-sized town where I lived for awhile in the Czech Republic, and it had the great misfortune to not be located in Prague.

It went bust in less than a year.

Oddly, however, kebab is quite popular here. There’s a kebab stand not far from me, and the owner (a Pakistani gent) does brisk business.

318 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:31:20am

re: #288 Pie-onist Overlord

I should tell the story of Bubbie’s Pot Roast.

[snip]

However they eventually solved the mystery when cleaning out a back pantry full of Bubbie’s old stuff, they found all her pots, and she didn’t have any that were large enough to hold an entire roast, that’s why she always used two pots.

Ha, TRADITION.

[* runs away cackling and singing “Fiddler on the Roof” melodies *]

319 chadu  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:31:33am

re: #307 Pie-onist Overlord

I have never used shallots, maybe I will pick some up next time I am at the supermarket. Aren’t they just little tiny onions?

A bit milder, brighter.

320 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:32:29am

Another TCOT gun-fucking meme.

321 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:32:53am

I should do a whole page on the gun-fucking memes.

322 GlutenFreeJesus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:33:34am

re: #319 chadu

A bit milder, brighter.

Yup!

323 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:33:38am

re: #294 Pie-onist Overlord

Gun-fucking meme:

And banning same sex marriages won’t stop people from loving each other the way they choose. But that hasn’t stopped the rabid right.

324 darthstar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:35:42am
325 darthstar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:36:33am

I thought “holding hands with god” was a euphemism for masturbating.

326 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:36:48am

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

Here’s the snow/ice accumulation forecast map from the NWS office in Wilmington. Looks like you get the big snow.

erh.noaa.gov

Nooooooooo!!!! Why are you so cruel???!!!

: )

(Shovels at the ready!)

327 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:37:12am

re: #225 Pie-onist Overlord

Someone who claims to be a Christian is the last person who should be whining about anything being translated. WTF.

Oh wait. It’s Fischer. He probably thinks the KJV is the original version of the Bible. =P

328 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:37:17am

This is happening in the US Senate at 10 am today:

Subcommittee on Water and Wildlife hearing entitled, “Examination of the Safety and Security of Drinking Water Supplies Following the Central West Virginia Drinking Water Crisis”

Livestream available for anyone interested.

329 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:38:05am

re: #326 ObserverArt

Nooooooooo!!!! Why are you so cruel???!!!

: )

(Shovels at the ready!)

Just looking out for ya! At least all you’re getting is snow. I get the ice, too.

330 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:38:52am

re: #307 Pie-onist Overlord

I have never used shallots, maybe I will pick some up next time I am at the supermarket. Aren’t they just little tiny onions?

They bring another flavor too, kinda garlic light. You;ll get it the first time you sautee some.

331 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:39:58am

re: #242 Pie-onist Overlord

Liberal comedians are demonstrably funnier.

Conservatives don’t understand humor. They think El Rushbo is a comedian.

332 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:40:09am

re: #294 Pie-onist Overlord

Gun-fucking meme:

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Well, it’s got a point, just not the one it thinks it makes.

The problem isn’t magazine size. It’s trivial to just swap in another one in a second or so. The problem is rapidly-repeating weapons, even semi-auto. You don’t need multiple rounds per second to hunt game or hold contests of accuracy.

Not that it matters, debates on weapon control go nowhere because one side is willing to pretend that rapidly-repeating is some sort of sacred feature guaranteed in the constitution, while rocket launchers for some odd reason aren’t. Par for the course where right-of-center rhetoric in the US is concerned; let’s just ignore the limits we all agree to and pretend that they don’t exist while we argue for no limits in other areas. See also: Why mandated medical insurance is SOSHULIZM!!!1!!!11!!, but nobody has a problem with mandated auto insurance.

333 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:40:48am

re: #249 Pie-onist Overlord

But he does love All The Pies.

Who doesn’t love pie?

Crazy people. That’s who.

334 darthstar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:41:12am
335 GlutenFreeJesus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:42:45am

The 2nd Amendment as our founders intended: single-shot black powder muzzle loaders

336 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:42:55am

re: #251 Feline Fearless Leader

And pretty much knew therefore that irritating a vocal minority was not going to hurt sales.

A majority of Coke’s sales come from outside the United States. The Super Bowl is a worldwide event and the commercials are a huge deal. A few bigots here in the States getting their panties in a twist is immediately offset by people who speak those languages buying a Coke because they think it’s cool they were represented.

337 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:43:18am

re: #334 darthstar

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It’s what’s for dinner!

338 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:44:09am

re: #331 Lidane

Liberal comedians are demonstrably funnier.

Conservatives don’t understand humor. They think El Rushbo is a comedian.

Not ot mention Fox’s “response” to the Daily Show was about as funny as a trainwreck. Conservatives don’t do humor well because humor at its core involves poking fun at the powerful. Conservative humor often involves cheap jokes about minorities, gays, and women. And yeah they think of Limbaugh as a “satirist” when he’s actually just a fat prick who’s been so unsuccessful with women that he goes after Sandra Fluke, Chelsea Clinton, etc because he’s a bitter old fat fuck.

339 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:47:10am

re: #330 Political Atheist

They bring another flavor too, kinda garlic light. You;ll get it the first time you sautee some.

And Tennyson wrote about them.
en.wikipedia.org

;)

340 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:47:25am

HURR HURR!!!!1 TEH DEMOCRATS IS TEH REAL RACISTS!!!!!!

341 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:47:26am

John Stewart has it too easy of late. He just needs to show some footage of these people spewing forth and then cut to him pulling a face of disbelief…

342 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:48:58am

re: #341 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

John Stewart has it too easy of late. He just needs to show some footage of these people spewing forth and then cut to him pulling a face of disbelief…

Has The Daily Show mentioned all this stupid over the Coke ad yet? I can see Jon having a field day with this.

343 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:49:52am

re: #342 Lidane

Has The Daily Show mentioned all this stupid over the Coke ad yet? I can see Jon having a field day with this.

And you know he’ll do a Pepsi - Obama symbol riff mixed in there as well.

344 darthstar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:51:00am
345 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:51:41am

re: #340 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!1 TEH DEMOCRATS IS TEH REAL RACISTS!!!!!!

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LBJ’s run started in ‘63 — over 50 years ago.

I don’t understand it. Who are these clowns targeting? The vast majority of the audience that matters wasn’t even alive when LBJ was in office. I’ll never understand why Republicans think that preaching to the choir forever is going to save them.

346 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:53:11am

re: #344 darthstar

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IT’LL VAPORIZE EVERY EAGLE IN THE COUNTY !!1!

347 darthstar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:53:20am
348 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:53:50am

re: #345 GunstarGreen

LBJ’s run started in ‘63 — over 50 years ago.

I don’t understand it. Who are these clowns targeting? The vast majority of the audience that matters wasn’t even alive when LBJ was in office. I’ll never understand why Republicans think that preaching to the choir forever is going to save them.

HURR HURR!!!!!!! LBJ SAID TEH N WORD!!!!! CIVIL RIGHTS ACT IS NULL & VOID1!!!!!!!

349 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:54:05am

re: #345 GunstarGreen

LBJ’s run started in ‘63 — over 50 years ago.

I don’t understand it. Who are these clowns targeting? The vast majority of the audience that matters wasn’t even alive when LBJ was in office. I’ll never understand why Republicans think that preaching to the choir forever is going to save them.

We try not to speak of that…

350 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:55:12am

re: #345 GunstarGreen

LBJ’s run started in ‘63 — over 50 years ago.

I don’t understand it. Who are these clowns targeting? The vast majority of the audience that matters wasn’t even alive when LBJ was in office. I’ll never understand why Republicans think that preaching to the choir forever is going to save them.

Because they’re idiots. Kind of like how they whine about Obama “blaming” Bush while they’re still blaming Woodrow Wilson and Abraham Lincoln or for the more moderate ones, Jimmy Carter.

351 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:55:46am

I am amused by this pile of bitter, sexist fail. I can’t imagine many men turning down a wife that looks anything like Beyonce:

352 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:56:59am

re: #345 GunstarGreen

I don’t understand it. Who are these clowns targeting? The vast majority of the audience that matters wasn’t even alive when LBJ was in office. I’ll never understand why Republicans think that preaching to the choir forever is going to save them.

Isn’t the Fox News audience primarily in their 60’s? The GOP is also an aging white party. They know that resentment is their only hope.

353 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:57:12am

I don’t get the point of the LBJ quote either. Yes, LBJ used some uh colorful language to say the least but they want to ignore the fact that their party actively courted Southern democrats who felt “betrayed” that the Democratic party embraced civil rights. The Southern Strategy? Reagan’s talking about welfare queens and young bucks. Reagan was a bigger bigot than LBJ was. LBJ overcame his prejudices. Reagan was into exploiting people’s prejudices for political power. The latter is far more worse than a Texan born in 1908 saying the n-word.

354 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:58:24am

re: #324 darthstar

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LOLOLOL.

355 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:00:19am

re: #347 darthstar

Balls of steel.

Hackney served three years in the United States Army, during which he was stationed in Bougainville, the largest Solomon Island, for 13 months working on a bomb disposal squad, according to his obituary.

356 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:02:29am

re: #352 Lidane

Isn’t the Fox News audience primarily in their 60’s? The GOP is also an aging white party. They know that resentment is their only hope.

Yeah, the average age of Fox viewership is, IIRC, so old that Nielson doesn’t even have a category for it.

Sure, all bile all the time has made them a lot of bux now, but what are they going to do when their audience… you know, dies?

357 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:03:16am

Think it’s time to tell Karzai to kiss our ass then pack our shit and GTF out.

Karzai Arranged Secret Contacts With the Taliban

KABUL, Afghanistan — President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan has been engaged in secret contacts with the Taliban about reaching a peace agreement without the involvement of his American and Western allies, further corroding already strained relations with the United States.

The secret contacts appear to help explain a string of actions by Mr. Karzai that seem intended to antagonize his American backers, Western and Afghan officials said. In recent weeks, Mr. Karzai has continued to refuse to sign a long-term security agreement with Washington that he negotiated, insisted on releasing hardened Taliban militants from prison and distributed distorted evidence of what he called American war crimes.

The clandestine contacts with the Taliban have borne little fruit, according to people who have been told about them. But they have helped undermine the remaining confidence between the United States and Mr. Karzai, making the already messy endgame of the Afghan conflict even more volatile. Support for the war effort in Congress has deteriorated sharply, and American officials say they are uncertain whether they can maintain even minimal security cooperation with Mr. Karzai’s government or its successor after coming elections.

358 chadu  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:03:27am

re: #351 Lidane

I am amused by this pile of bitter, sexist fail. I can’t imagine many men turning down a wife that looks anything like and is as talented as Beyonce:

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FTFY.

359 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:07:30am

re: #358 chadu

Fair point. Still, the bitter cow going after Beyonce is flapping her gums about Beyonce being a slut for performing a duet with her husband about how much they’re in love and can’t keep their hands off each other.

What the fuck. Really? This is a bad thing now?

360 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:07:57am

re: #357 NJDhockeyfan

Think it’s time to tell Karzai to kiss our ass then pack our shit and GTF out.

Karzai Arranged Secret Contacts With the Taliban

It’s a real bummer to see our involvement in Afghanistan end like this. I don’t think the government is going to last long after we leave.

361 darthstar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:08:09am
362 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:08:57am

re: #356 GunstarGreen

Yeah, the average age of Fox viewership is, IIRC, so old that Nielson doesn’t even have a category for it.

Sure, all bile all the time has made them a lot of bux now, but what are they going to do when their audience… you know, dies?

I’m sure they’re working on the zombie formula as we chat.

363 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:09:34am

Outrage!
Middle eastern restaurant called The Bomb opens in Eastpointe

A husband and wife from Syria opened up a restaurant in Eastepointe featuring middle eastern and American foods. They name of the restaurant is The Bomb, and the play on words has sparked debate.

Owner George Georgi say she chose the name because his food is “very hot and spicy.” The slang phrase “the bomb” is also often used to mean something is awesome or really cool.

Yet the owners say some people take offense to the name tied in with the middle-eastern roots, especially since their logo is an animated, cartoon bomb.

“I think its distasteful. I think it feeds into the certain stereotypes that are out there, that somehow someway associate Arab Americans with bombs, destructive devices or some sort of violence. I would urge them really to reconsider at a different name, using a name that may be hurtful to a certain community,” says Nabih Ayad, from the Arab American Civil Rights League.

364 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:10:13am

re: #353 HappyWarrior

I don’t get the point of the LBJ quote either.

TEH DEMOCRATS R TEH REAL RACISTS! ELEVENTY!

365 The War TARDIS  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:11:02am

re: #363 Killgore Trout

I’m putting this in the “WTF were they thinking?” pile.

366 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:12:18am

re: #363 Killgore Trout

Outrage!
Middle eastern restaurant called The Bomb opens in Eastpointe

My sense of perverse humor. They recently did a contrlled demolition of a 40-story skyscraper in Frankfurt, I was joking about how much I would’ve loved to fly a radio-controlled model 747 into at the moment of demolition…

367 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:12:21am

re: #360 Killgore Trout

It’s a real bummer to see our involvement in Afghanistan end like this. I don’t think the government is going to last long after we leave.

Try to imagine a path to any other conclusion. If we had to jack up the Taliban, we should have shit and split.

368 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:12:26am

re: #356 GunstarGreen

Sure, all bile all the time has made them a lot of bux now, but what are they going to do when their audience… you know, dies?

Blame Obama, of course.

369 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:13:16am

re: #363 Killgore Trout

Outrage!
Middle eastern restaurant called The Bomb opens in Eastpointe

Eh I don’t blame people for being a little testy about it but I haven’t heard anyone say something is da bomb since the late 90’s heh. That’s the real crime here. Using lingo a decade past its prime. I bet the food is delicious though. One of my favorite spots near work is pretty much a Mediterranean Chipolte in that I can get something unique every time but unlike Chiplote, I don’t feel sick afterwards.

370 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:13:38am
371 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:14:11am

re: #368 Lidane

Blame Obama, of course.

What I love is how they say Obama is the hateful one all the while they’re calling Mrs. Obama a wookie and saying the Obamas are nasty people. Physicians heal thyselves.

372 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:15:36am

re: #367 Decatur Deb

Try to imagine a path to any other conclusion. If we had to jack up the Taliban, we should have shit and split.

It was something of a no-win situation. Leaving the Taliban in place with the extant terrorist camps was not a good option. Going in was most likely going to lead to what is happening - leaving after spending funds and men while the status quo reestablishes itself after a few more years.

It’s a place that does not want to be a stable country yet. And unfortunately, is probably not to get the opportunity to do so either.

373 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:15:49am

re: #356 GunstarGreen

Yeah, the average age of Fox viewership is, IIRC, so old that Nielson doesn’t even have a category for it.

Sure, all bile all the time has made them a lot of bux now, but what are they going to do when their audience… you know, dies?

The FNC demographic is an average age of 68 and overwhelmingly white.

In about ten more years, FNC’s ratings are likely gonna dwindle significantly as their viewers quite literally die off.

374 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:15:55am

re: #356 GunstarGreen

Yeah, the average age of Fox viewership is, IIRC, so old that Nielson doesn’t even have a category for it.

Sure, all bile all the time has made them a lot of bux now, but what are they going to do when their audience… you know, dies?

Fox has a lock on the highly coveted DNR demographic.

375 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:16:24am

re: #360 Killgore Trout

That’s been known for at least a decade.

376 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:16:28am

re: #370 Lidane

I expect his definition of “Americans” is much more exclusive than the general definition.

377 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:21:51am

re: #360 Killgore Trout

It’s a real bummer to see our involvement in Afghanistan end like this. I don’t think the government is going to last long after we leave.

Did you (or anyone) really expect anything different? I still think it was mistake in so many ways to waste as many lives and as much treasury for what is almost 100% predictable.

It’s that failure to remember history thing.

I feel so bad for any soldier and his family that lost life and limb over there.

And I am not saying not to go after those that want to destroy us…just not in classic war mode. I think there were other ways.

378 b.d.  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:27:38am

What would have happened and what would the stories be if they found 70 packages of heroin on a live Philip Seymour Hoffman?

379 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:27:55am

re: #365 The War TARDIS

I’m putting this in the “WTF were they thinking?” pile.

I think it’s fine. It sounds like the owners have a sense of humor and got a bit of free publicity out of their name choice.

380 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:28:14am

re: #378 b.d.

What would have happened and what would the stories be if they found 70 packages of heroin on a live Philip Seymour Hoffman?

Probation.

381 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:29:23am

re: #314 Pie-onist Overlord

TCOT gun-fucking meme

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What fucking century did they dig up that photo from? Isn’t that Bonnie Parker on the end?

382 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:29:54am

re: #367 Decatur Deb

Try to imagine a path to any other conclusion. If we had to jack up the Taliban, we should have shit and split.

The end result would have probably been more or less the same. I think we had a responsibility to at least attempt to leave behind a stable and safe country. It doesn’t look likely to happen but at least we tried.

383 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:31:14am

Thing Re: Afghanistan was that we got way too focused on Iraq not long after the invasion there. The Bush administration wrongly wagered they could handle the two wars. Big mistake IMO.

384 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:31:41am

re: #380 Varek Raith

Probation.

After a long stretch in a drug rehab program.

385 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:32:09am
386 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:32:48am

re: #382 Killgore Trout

The end result would have probably been more or less the same. I think we had a responsibility to at least attempt to leave behind a stable and safe country. It doesn’t look likely to happen but at least we tried.

Same results, with fewer fatalities on both sides. We misnamed this a ‘Global War’ because we didn’t have the guts to call it an old-school punitive expedition.

387 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:33:32am

re: #385 Lidane

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Oh I see, you want the Feds when a bunch of teenagers want to smoke up grass but you don’t want them when they’re trying to make health care more affordable. The conservative mind in 2014, folks.

388 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:34:03am

re: #377 ObserverArt

Did you (or anyone) really expect anything different? I still think it was mistake in so many ways to waste as many lives and as much treasury for what is almost 100% predictable.

It’s that failure to remember history thing.

I feel so bad for any soldier and his family that lost life and limb over there.

And I am not saying not to go after those that want to destroy us…just not in classic war mode. I think there were other ways.

There were a lot of mistakes made and plenty of blame to go around but I think the core problem with Afghanistan is Pakistan. Porous border providing safe haven for the Taliban in an area the Pakistani government doesn’t even have a desire to control. I think no matter what else we did right or wrong, without dealing with the tribal areas of Pakistan the effort was doomed to failure.

389 b.d.  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:36:22am

re: #385 Lidane

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Bring on the Jackboot of Justice!!!!!

390 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:37:48am

*sigh*

These assholes. WTF.

391 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:37:49am

re: #388 Killgore Trout

There were a lot of mistakes made and plenty of blame to go around but I think the core problem with Afghanistan is Pakistan. Porous border providing safe haven for the Taliban in an area the Pakistani government doesn’t even have a desire to control. I think no matter what else we did right or wrong, without dealing with the tribal areas of Pakistan the effort was doomed to failure.

Laos.

392 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:38:08am

re: #389 b.d.

Bring on the Jackboot of Justice!!!!!

New opening act at the Perfidious Albion?
;P

393 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:39:14am

MOAR TCOT GUN-FUCKING

394 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:41:09am

Why are men turned on by photos of women with guns? This somehow just seems so wrong.

Image: viagragun.jpg

395 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:41:25am

re: #393 Pie-onist Overlord

MOAR TCOT GUN-FUCKING

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Guns: Pokemon for wingnuts. Gotta catch em all.

396 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:41:29am

re: #385 Lidane

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I personally don’t know which is funnier, that a Republican has the balls to go after a President for not enforcing the law after Dubya made it federal policy for years that torturing POWs was legal, or that he thinks that his party will have a “intelligent conversation” with the White House about drug policy if asked. If President Obama came out tomorrow morning saying he wished to legal marijuana and asked Republicans to support legislation to do so, they’d be screaming that he’s support Mexican drug traffickers by lunch and be drafting legislation to make speaking the word “marijuana” a felony by dinner.

397 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:41:33am
398 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:42:03am

re: #394 Justanotherhuman

Why are men turned on by photos of women with guns? This somehow just seems so wrong.

Image: viagragun.jpg

I don’t know. Gun nuts are weird though.

399 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:42:45am

re: #390 Lidane

*sigh*

These assholes. WTF.

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They haven’t decided on a ransom that they’re not going to get for a hostage they’ve said they won’t shoot no matter what the circumstances. Utterly pathetic.

400 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:43:03am

re: #357 NJDhockeyfan

Think it’s time to tell Karzai to kiss our ass then pack our shit and GTF out.

Karzai Arranged Secret Contacts With the Taliban

Honestly, I think Karzai is past his sell-by date. I think its time for him to have an ‘accident’. I’d personally suggest a helicopter crash.

Karzai doesn’t want a Status of Forces Agreement this year or honest elections. What he wants is a corrupt stitch-up that lets his family hold onto as much power as possible. If the Karzai family loses the presidency, then they lose most of their power without losing most of their enemies. In which case it will be Payback Time.

401 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:43:50am

re: #325 darthstar

I thought “holding hands with god” was a euphemism for masturbating.

No, ‘Playing tug-of-war with the cyclops’ is tho’

402 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:45:18am

re: #399 Targetpractice

They haven’t decided on a ransom that they’re not going to get for a hostage they’ve said they won’t shoot no matter what the circumstances. Utterly pathetic.

I’m waiting for Ted Cruz’s next 21 hour fame whoring stunt. That should be a hoot.

403 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:45:25am

re: #378 b.d.

What would have happened and what would the stories be if they found 70 packages of heroin on a live Philip Seymour Hoffman?

The headline would’ve probably been

“Oscar-winning actor arrested on charges of possession with intent to distribute”

404 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:45:33am

The Oregon Obamacare debacle just keeps getting worse.

New Cover Oregon allegations: ‘If it’s true, someone’s going to prison’

405 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:46:06am

re: #351 Lidane

I am amused by this pile of bitter, sexist fail. I can’t imagine many men turning down a wife that looks anything like Beyonce:

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Not to mention, she’s already married to a millionaire. A blah millionaire, though, so I guess that’s why he’s not ‘quality.’

These people make me sick.

406 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:46:42am

re: #393 Pie-onist Overlord

Can we stipulate those tcot people are insane?

There are sane voices out there

The mission of The Liberal Gun Club is to provide a voice for gun-owning liberals and moderates in the national conversation on gun rights, gun legislation, firearms safety, and shooting sports. We serve as a national forum for all people, irrespective of their personal political beliefs, to discuss firearms ownership, firearms use, and the enjoyment of firearms-related activities free from the destructive elements of political extremism that dominate this subject on the national scale. We also actively develop and foster a variety of programs for the purpose of firearms training and firearms safety education, for both gun owners and non-gun owners.

407 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:46:45am

re: #400 Dark_Falcon

Honestly, I think Karzai is past his sell-by date. I think its time for him to have an ‘accident’. I’d personally suggest a helicopter crash.

Karzai doesn’t want a Status of Forces Agreement this year or honest elections. What he wants is a corrupt stitch-up that lets his family hold onto as much power as possible. If the Karzai family loses the presidency, then they lose most of their power without losing most of their enemies. In which case it will be Payback Time.

Gate’s book contained the revelation that we tried to prevent him from being elected at all. We didn’t try hard enough.

408 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:47:04am

I mean I’m not someone who doesn’t get why people own guns. What I don’t get is why people need to hoard and fetishize them. Pistol for protection? Gotcha. Shotgun or rifle for hunting? You bet. Legal assault rifle for target shooting? Sure not my thing but sure but thinking you need tons of guns to “protect” you from Obama’s “thugs” to prevent a second Holocaust? You’re cerifable.

409 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:47:55am

re: #380 Varek Raith

Probation.

In Los Angeles, yes. Not in New York City. If he’d been found alive he’d have been charged and convicted of felony drug possession. Hollywood would have screamed about the “big, bad NYPD” but Mayor de Belasio would do nothing to prevent the prosecution, knowing that he’d look like a massive hypocrite if he did so.

If Hoffman had been found alive with that quantity of heroin, he’d be spending the next several years as an inmate of the New York Department of Corrections.

410 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:48:02am

re: #388 Killgore Trout

There were a lot of mistakes made and plenty of blame to go around but I think the core problem with Afghanistan is Pakistan. Porous border providing safe haven for the Taliban in an area the Pakistani government doesn’t even have a desire to control. I think no matter what else we did right or wrong, without dealing with the tribal areas of Pakistan the effort was doomed to failure.

Hello. Middle East.

It doesn’t matter there is Pakistan. The whole area is a hideout for whoever. There are no borders in a Middle Eastern war. How do you attack an area when it constantly moves and is really unidentifiable. What does a Taliban uniform look like anyway?

And another aspect which seems to be the number one biggest mistake is thinking any outside country is going to go into the area and control and/or nation build. Even before choosing a way to implement a war we should have given up on nation building. People in the area build a nation when they want to.

As far as military strategy, you’re dealing with terrorist which is not unlike dealing with any guerrilla style war. America cannot seem to learn its lesson in that style of war. Didn’t McCain and his buddies learn anything in Viet Nam???

We should have though, because in many ways the American Revolution was a guerrilla war.

We made ourselves a big target in the area, might as well have had red coats on.

411 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:49:24am

re: #406 Political Atheist

Can we stipulate those tcot people are insane?

There are sane voices out there

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I actually think despite my personal distaste for guns there needs to be more groups like this. Problem though is the gun lobby that has real political influence is more like the tweeter in VB’s link then thse folks.

412 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:50:25am

re: #391 Decatur Deb

Laos.

Thank you! I was just typing out my last comment when you posted this. Toss in Cambodia too!

Military History…do military people read it or glorify it?

Grrrr, Got to get busy. This shit will get me burning. And I am far from a military buff.

Later Lizards…

413 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:50:49am

re: #404 Killgore Trout

The Oregon Obamacare debacle just keeps getting worse.

New Cover Oregon allegations: ‘If it’s true, someone’s going to prison’

Look on the bright side Killgore: The Republican who spent time as a state legislator in this story is an honest non-wingnut.

414 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:50:53am

re: #393 Pie-onist Overlord

MOAR TCOT GUN-FUCKING

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Authorities seize 250+ guns from Dayton-area home

DAYTON, Ohio —A 77-year-old western Ohio man has pleaded not guilty to federal charges of selling guns without a license after agents seized 257 weapons - including an unregistered machine gun and sawed-off shotgun.

415 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:51:58am

re: #397 lawhawk

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“Kamikaze” might be a more appropriate, though equally offensive, name for recent GOP initiatives.

416 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:52:08am

re: #402 Lidane

I’m waiting for Ted Cruz’s next 21 hour fame whoring stunt. That should be a hoot.

Will he be taking requests this time? Because if so, I nominate Atlas Shrugged, just to see how long he goes before he’s told to STFD and STFU by his own colleagues.

417 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:52:42am

re: #414 Backwoods_Sleuth

Authorities seize 250+ guns from Dayton-area home

See, this is what I mean. I don’t see why an individual needs 250 guns. It’s hoarding if you ask me.

418 Lancelot Link  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:53:24am

re: #393 Pie-onist Overlord

WHEN PEOPLE TELL YOU
THAT YOU HAVE TOO MANY GUNS

419 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:53:34am

re: #408 HappyWarrior

I mean I’m not someone who doesn’t get why people own guns. What I don’t get is why people need to hoard and fetishize them. Pistol for protection? Gotcha. Shotgun or rifle for hunting? You bet. Legal assault rifle for target shooting? Sure not my thing but sure but thinking you need tons of guns to “protect” you from Obama’s “thugs” to prevent a second Holocaust? You’re cerifable.

Yes that is an actual meme.

420 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:54:18am

re: #413 Dark_Falcon

Look on the bright side Killgore: The Republican who spent time as a state legislator in this story is an honest non-wingnut.

If someone screwed this up for fun or profit, I want them in prison. Don’t care if they go to the Republican cellblock or the Democratic.

421 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:55:11am


And now we’re beginning to see Bridget Kelly’s strategy in the #GWBVendetta.

It’s going to take an immunity deal to get her to talk.

Because she, like Wildstein, knows that there’s illegalities involved and that she and others involved in the decision making process broke laws and rules in carrying out the lane closures.

422 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:55:20am

re: #419 Pie-onist Overlord

Yes that is an actual meme.

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Insanity.

423 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:55:42am

re: #414 Backwoods_Sleuth

Authorities seize 250+ guns from Dayton-area home

Cue the gun nut poutrage and foot stomping in 1, 2, 3…

Why would anyone in their right mind want to arm every nut that walks the streets or trolls the countryside? Because they’re not in their right mind, I suppose. Nuts servicing other nuts.

424 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:56:14am

HURR HURR!!!11!!!!

425 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:56:42am

re: #423 Justanotherhuman

Cue the gun nut poutrage and foot stomping in 1, 2, 3…

Why would anyone in their right mind want to arm every nut that walks the streets or trolls the countryside? Because they’re not in their right mind, I suppose. Nuts servicing other nuts.

Just needs a convergence of ideology and the profit motive.

426 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:57:48am

re: #421 lawhawk

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And now we’re beginning to see Bridget Kelly’s strategy in the #GWBVendetta.

It’s going to take an immunity deal to get her to talk.

Because she, like Wildstein, knows that there’s illegalities involved and that she and others involved in the decision making process broke laws and rules in carrying out the lane closures.

Now that the Feds are involved, the likelihood of one or more of those involved talking is only going to increase as the talk of jail time at Club Fed gets louder. Big Chris can’t grant them a pardon if the DoJ puts them behind bars.

427 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:57:52am

re: #406 Political Atheist

Left-handed shooters to boot.

:)

428 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:57:59am

re: #424 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!11!!!!

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Socialist lawyers are general counsels for Wikipedia?

429 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:58:09am

re: #424 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!11!!!!

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430 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:58:19am

re: #397 lawhawk

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DWM adopted the “parabellum” moniker prior to World War I, Lawhawk. As such it predates the Nazis. I also remind you that UK and Commonwealth nations used 9x19 pistols and submachineguns during World War II. Lastly, the current US military handgun, the M9 (really the Beretta Model 92FS), is chambered in 9x19mm Parabellum.

This being the case, Gawker can fuck right off.

431 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:59:43am

HURR HURR!!!1!!!!!1

432 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:00:09am

re: #419 Pie-onist Overlord

Howitzers and tanks for everybody!

433 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:01:15am

re: #417 HappyWarrior

See, this is what I mean. I don’t see why an individual needs 250 guns. It’s hoarding if you ask me.

In Mr. Coe’s case, it’s not actually hoarding. The (federal) charge is selling guns without a license. And since several of the weapons are illegal and/or have the serial numbers removed, he is in deep poop.

434 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:02:15am

re: #431 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!1!!!!!1

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Funny, they look at that and don’t think it applies to them if they should choose to go ahead with their “military coup” or “popular uprising” fantasies.

435 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:02:33am

re: #433 Backwoods_Sleuth

In Mr. Coe’s case, it’s not actually hoarding. The (federal) charge is selling guns without a license. And since several of the weapons are illegal and/or have the serial numbers removed, he is in deep poop.

Ah true point.

436 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:03:09am

re: #432 Lidane

Howitzers and tanks for everybody!

With nuclear bombs in every garage.

437 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:03:32am

re: #434 Targetpractice

Funny, they look at that and don’t think it applies to them if they should choose to go ahead with their “military coup” or “popular uprising” fantasies.

Nah they think this is an elaborate reproduction of Red Dawn meets the Warsaw Uprising when in reality it would be the bastard offspring of the CSA.

438 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:04:14am

re: #430 Dark_Falcon

So, just because it was used prior to WWII and the Nazis, means we should ignore the inane name the GOP gave this entity?

Para bellum - latin for “Prepare for War”.

This is a political entity? Sorry, I’m not buying it.

439 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:04:19am

re: #423 Justanotherhuman

Cue the gun nut poutrage and foot stomping in 1, 2, 3…

Why would anyone in their right mind want to arm every nut that walks the streets or trolls the countryside? Because they’re not in their right mind, I suppose. Nuts servicing other nuts.

First, this man got caught with an unregistered automatic weapon, which is enough right there to warrant the raid if authorities knew in advance he had it.

Second, no one wants to “arm every nut that walks the streets or trolls the countryside”. But you have to prove someone is a nut or they have to commit a felony before you can say they can’t own a gun.

440 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:04:24am

re: #433 Backwoods_Sleuth

In Mr. Coe’s case, it’s not actually hoarding. The (federal) charge is selling guns without a license. And since several of the weapons are illegal and/or have the serial numbers removed, he is in deep poop.

Mr. Coe is in poop up to his eyeballs.

441 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:04:41am

re: #431 Pie-onist Overlord

I invite these dipshits to see what actual treason looks like:

Haupt v. United States - 330 U.S. 631 (1947)

442 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:04:42am

HURR HURR!!!!!

443 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:05:11am

re: #437 HappyWarrior

Nah they think this is an elaborate reproduction of Red Dawn meets the Warsaw Uprising when in reality it would be the bastard offspring of the CSA.

WOLVE…
Nevermind.

444 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:05:13am

re: #411 HappyWarrior

What gets me is the disconnect between the gun lobby (really at this point a gun makers lobby) and the ordinary target/sport or hunting shooter. Or gun collectors! Sean Penn had 61, and is melting them in a art piece. Okay that’s an expensive approach to art, :-) but I’m no less worried about those particular guns going astray as word is he has a really nice couple safes.

445 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:05:38am

Florida Man strikes again

That’s one of those stories that literally gets more weird by the paragraph.

446 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:05:50am

re: #438 lawhawk

So, just because it was used prior to WWII and the Nazis, means we should ignore the inane name the GOP gave this entity?

Para bellum - latin for “Prepare for War”.

This is a political entity? Sorry, I’m not buying it.

Politics is war in some ways and I don’t mind a name being given to ‘fun some bozos’.

447 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:08:28am

HURR HURR HURRRRR!!!!!!!!!

448 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:08:50am

re: #446 Dark_Falcon

Politics is war in some ways and I don’t mind a name being given to ‘fun some bozos’.

No war is war where people bleed and die. Politics is just a bunch of self-righteous jagoffs trying to win by saying they’re less jagoffs than the other jagoffs.

449 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:10:04am
450 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:10:41am

re: #413 Dark_Falcon

Look on the bright side Killgore: The Republican who spent time as a state legislator in this story is an honest non-wingnut.

Yet, we know that Republicans would do anything on earth to totally destroy Obamacare.

That’s why my bullshit meter is ticking like crazy.

And Patrick Sheehan uses a shamrock on his campaign website? Is this just sour grapes on his part?

Read these and decide: patricksheehan.org

After losing to Rep. Shemia Fagan, Patrick Sheehan hosts website attacking her

oregonlive.com

451 Stanley Sea  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:10:46am

re: #445 makeitstop

Florida Man strikes again

That’s one of those stories that literally gets more weird by the paragraph.

Yeah, then you get to the dudes photo. Thanks makeitstop!

452 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:10:57am

re: #385 Lidane

Sen. Ted Cruz: Not enforcing federal marijuana laws in Colorado is ‘dangerous to liberty ‘re: #385 Lidane

So states rights are dangerous to liberty, eh, Ted?

453 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:11:16am

re: #444 Political Atheist

What gets me is the disconnect between the gun lobby (really at this point a gun makers lobby) and the ordinary target/sport or hunting shooter. Or gun collectors! Sean Penn had 61, and is melting them in a art piece. Okay that’s an expensive approach to art, :-) but I’m no less worried about those particular guns going astray as word is he has a really nice couple safes.

That’s a good point. I do worry about rhetoric though but that’s mainly politicians. I think what the gun lobby needs to understand though is many of us have no desire to own guns. Really I understand why people own guns but I myself have never had that desire. I’ve always felt uncomfortable around them (personal reasons that I really don’t want to get into).

454 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:11:35am

re: #452 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

So states rights are dangerous to liberty, eh, Ted?

Just the ones he disagrees with.

455 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:12:52am

re: #451 Stanley Sea

Yeah, then you get to the dudes photo. Thanks makeitstop!

I didn’t even look at it. I was too spun by the story itself.

(Sorry.)

456 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:13:14am

re: #449 Lidane

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If Iran-Contra was so bad in Will’s eyes, then when did he demand Reagan’s resignation in the 80’s? Kind of like they use Watergate as a diss now even though many of them defended Nixon and cursed Felt when he was revealed as Deepthroat. It’s like that old meme “How come Republicans bring up Republican scandals with Democrats.” And despite what Mr. I hate jeans believes a bunch of TPers being auditted is not the same as Iran-Contra.

457 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:13:20am
458 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:14:12am

re: #445 makeitstop

Florida Man strikes again

That’s one of those stories that literally gets more weird by the paragraph.

Speaking of Florida, this case is coming up before a judge soon…

Jordan Davis Case—Black Kid Killed By White Man Over ‘Loud Music’—Comes to Trial

And the shooter’s releasing jailhouse screeds that would likely find a welcome audience at FR:

It’s spooky how racist everyone is up here and how biased toward blacks the courts are. This jail is full of blacks and they all act like thugs. … This may sound a bit radical but if more people would arm themselves and kill these **** idiots when they’re threatening you, eventually they may take the hint and change their behavior.

459 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:15:07am

HURR HURRRRR!!!!!11!! DEMOCRATS HAS KILLED MOAR WOMENS THEN TEH WAR ON WOMENS1!!!!!!!!

460 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:15:09am

re: #458 Targetpractice

Speaking of Florida, this case is coming up before a judge soon…

Jordan Davis Case—Black Kid Killed By White Man Over ‘Loud Music’—Comes to Trial

And the shooter’s releasing jailhouse screeds that would likely find a welcome audience at FR:

He sounds nice…

461 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:15:37am

re: #457 Lidane

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That ship sailed the minute the House GOP went nativist on GWB when he proposed immigration reform. If they think Hispanic voters have forgotten that or the fact that Mitt Romney won the Republican nomination in part by outwingnutting his rivals on this issue,then I suggest that Mr. Gerson pay attention to how his party actually acts.

462 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:16:03am

re: #457 Lidane

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The GOP leadership’s been whimpering the last couple days about how it can’t allow immigration reform, as it’ll piss off their base (true) and how the President will just ignore the enforcement provisions and immediately move forward with amnesty (BS).

463 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:18:48am

re: #462 Targetpractice

The GOP leadership’s been whimpering the last couple days about how it can’t allow immigration reform, as it’ll piss off their base (true) and how the President will just ignore the enforcement provisions and immediately move forward with amnesty (BS).

They created this monster and now they are bitching because it’s eating them?

Heh.

464 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:19:02am

re: #462 Targetpractice

The GOP leadership’s been whimpering the last couple days about how it can’t allow immigration reform, as it’ll piss off their base (true) and how the President will just ignore the enforcement provisions and immediately move forward with amnesty (BS).

It’s their own damn fault. Nixon and Reagan and their advisers wanted to get the pissed off white guy vote and this is the base they get. One that thinks any movement to make immigration easier is AMNESTY and flips its collective shit hearing foreign language i.e the ad that this very page is about.

465 GlutenFreeJesus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:19:30am

re: #377 ObserverArt

Did you (or anyone) really expect anything different? I still think it was mistake in so many ways to waste as many lives and as much treasury for what is almost 100% predictable.

It’s that failure to remember history thing.

I feel so bad for any soldier and his family that lost life and limb over there.

And I am not saying not to go after those that want to destroy us…just not in classic war mode. I think there were other ways.

Indeed… one I can think of is not taking resources away for some misadventure in a country with no WMD or ties to terrorists.

466 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:19:42am

re: #463 Varek Raith

They created this monster and now they are bitching because it’s eating them?

Heh.

Southern strategy comes back to bite 46 years later. Who knew.

467 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:21:59am

re: #466 HappyWarrior

Southern strategy comes back to bite 46 years later. Who knew.

We’re gonna go after the idiots, the bigots, and the religious fanatics to win! What could possibly go wrong?

468 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:23:05am

dammit…NWS just issued an Ice Storm Warning for my county.

crap. crap. crap.

469 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:23:59am

The gun-fuckers are getting MOAR & MOAR CRAZY

470 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:24:13am
471 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:24:42am

re: #469 Pie-onist Overlord

The gun-fuckers are getting MOAR & MOAR CRAZY

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We survived 8 years of Bush, they can survive 8 years of Obama.

472 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:25:33am

re: #471 Targetpractice

We survived 8 years of Bush, they can survive 8 years of Obama.

Seriously.

473 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:25:39am

re: #468 Backwoods_Sleuth

dammit…NWS just issued an Ice Storm Warning for my county.

crap. crap. crap.

Freezing rain advisory here in the DC metro.
Wheee.

474 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:25:40am

re: #471 Targetpractice

We survived 8 years of Bush, they can survive 8 years of Obama.

Yeah, but we didn’t want to overthrow the govt.

475 gwangung  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:26:35am

re: #471 Targetpractice

We survived 8 years of Bush, they can survive 8 years of Obama.

Our response was TO ELECT OUR OWN CANDIDATE.

Their response? Threaten and extort, and promise rebellion and violence.

Who’s the patriot here?

476 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:26:44am

re: #470 Lidane

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Awesome rant. I wish there were more national newscasters like her.

477 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:26:59am

re: #471 Targetpractice

We survived 8 years of Bush, they can survive 8 years of Obama.

478 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:26:59am

re: #473 Varek Raith

Freezing rain advisory here in the DC metro.
Wheee.

In the metro? Next you’ll be telling me there’s radioactive ghouls down there too.

479 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:27:12am

re: #473 Varek Raith

Freezing rain advisory here in the DC metro.
Wheee.

Horray.//

480 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:28:05am

re: #478 Targetpractice

>In the metro? Next you’ll be telling me there’s radioactive ghouls down there too.

No but the bastards need to open up the silver line, be open longer, and place bathrooms in the stations. Rant off.

481 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:28:40am

Hey TCOT!

482 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:29:38am

Paul Ryan is at it again. Three of his six bullet points are used to try to tie Obamacare as responsible for the first 3.

budget.house.gov

483 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:30:03am

HURR HURR!!!! I IS TEH FUN FILLED LITTLE LOLLIPOP!!!!!!

484 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:30:04am

re: #480 HappyWarrior

No but the bastards need to open up the silver line, be open longer, and place bathrooms in the stations. Rant off.

Phase 1 - Soonish.
Phase 2 - 2018.

485 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:30:12am

What really is amusing about the whole story here is that that MSNBC employee got in some hot water for saying the right would hate the cheerios new ad. They cry, they’er calling us bigots! And then an ad by Coke that shows we are a nation of diversity and yes wingnuts that includes language and they flip their collective shit. If wingnuts don’t want to be called bigots, might I humbly suggest not to act like a bigot every time you see someone who isn’t like oyu?

486 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:31:12am

re: #483 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!! I IS TEH FUN FILLED LITTLE LOLLIPOP!!!!!!

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Because her circumstances can’t possibly have changed between then and now and besides I believe Fluke was speaking up for a friend more than herself.

487 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:31:36am

re: #484 Varek Raith

Phase 1 - Soonish.
Phase 2 - 2018.

Fuck it, I’m moving to Hawaii.

488 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:32:19am

re: #482 Justanotherhuman

Paul Ryan is at it again. Three of his six bullet points are used to try to tie Obamacare as responsible for the first 3.

budget.house.gov

But even in its estimations, the CBO acknowledges that the bits about the ACA have to do with the new reality: When insurance isn’t tied to employment, people aren’t as quick to find new jobs, less likely to stay in shitty ones, and employers will feel less pressured to pay higher wages if they know the government is there to cover the fall-off.

489 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:32:30am

Eight more inches of snow for NYC?

dnainfo.com

490 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:32:53am

re: #486 HappyWarrior

Because her circumstances can’t possibly have changed between then and now and besides I believe Fluke was speaking up for a friend more than herself.

Sandra Fluke never said that she couldn’t afford to pay for her own birth control. What she actually said was that contraception should be covered by the University health insurance that students could buy.

Laurie Lee is just repeating bullshit that Rush made up.

491 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:33:05am

re: #487 HappyWarrior

Fuck it, I’m moving to Hawaii.

You in Loudoun?

492 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:33:46am

MOAR GUN-FUCKING

493 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:34:18am

re: #490 Pie-onist Overlord

Sandra Fluke never said that she couldn’t afford to pay for her own birth control. What she actually said was that contraception should be covered by the University health insurance that students could buy.

Laurie Lee is just repeating bullshit that Rush made up.

Yeah what Fluke has actually said has been distorted so much and I blame the fat prick for that.

494 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:34:53am

re: #491 Varek Raith

You in Loudoun?

Yeah. Moving east though as soon as I get better work though.

495 A Mom Anon  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:35:25am

re: #448 HappyWarrior

Not to mention that this damned war bullshit of theirs is really destructive to just basic community cohesiveness. We have a big problem in this country with hatred of “others” and that kind of shit doesn’t help at all. I swear to god, last week I heard from idiots around here than “community” is now just a slick disguise for communism. Get it? Because both words start with the same letters and so therefore getting along with your neighbors and looking out for each other is a bad thing ‘cause it’s all liberal and shit. So fuck them and their war shit. Unless they enlisted or served they need to STFU.

496 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:35:41am

re: #492 Pie-onist Overlord

MOAR GUN-FUCKING

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Because a gun is a great defense against rohypnol.

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497 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:35:44am

re: #494 HappyWarrior

Yeah. Moving east though as soon as I get better work though.

Just a county away.

498 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:36:31am

The pitchforks (and I assume torches) are out in Ukraine.

Image: top.jpg

499 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:37:15am

re: #497 Varek Raith

Just a county away.

Yeah, think I remember ya mentioning PW one day.

500 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:38:03am

re: #499 HappyWarrior

Yeah, think I remember ya mentioning PW one day.

Yep, Manassas to be precise.

501 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:38:07am

Palestinian Sodastream workers are unoutraged
Workers at West Bank SodaStream don’t see the fuss

Palestinian Nabil Basharat has worked for years for Israeli-owned SodaStream, where he has risen up to shift manager in its West Bank factory.

He supports his wife and six children on an income he says is quite high by both Palestinian and Israeli standards. Though he’d like to see Palestinians get their own state someday, he doesn’t want it to come at the expense of his career.

“They need to understand what the factory gives the Palestinian workers and there are a lot of factories in this area doing the same thing,” says Basharat, 40, who lives in a village near Ramallah.

502 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:38:10am

re: #492 Pie-onist Overlord

MOAR GUN-FUCKING

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Because this woman has little chance of being raped as long as she keeps that gun cocked and pointed at her date’s head…

503 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:38:16am

re: #493 HappyWarrior

Yeah what Fluke has actually said has been distorted so much and I blame the fat prick for that.

Well, you know Lush is so sick in the head that he has to call every woman on the planet a slut if she has sex because he can’t have an adult relationship with anyone he can’t buy.

504 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:38:44am

re: #489 Justanotherhuman

4-8 inches possible in much of NYC metro. Less to the South, but more ice for everyone!

forecast.weather.gov

Give me 2 feet of the light powder stuff. Even 4 inches of bulletproof snow/ice is a bigger pain. And I know that there’s going to be power outages because of the ice. Not going to be pretty.

505 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:38:49am
506 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:38:52am

re: #492 Pie-onist Overlord

Someone should remake that meme with a black or Latina woman holding a gun. See how the nutters react.

507 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:39:47am

This is an actual Jefferson quote, BUT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT MANDATORY CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE CHURCH.

508 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:39:50am

re: #483 Pie-onist Overlord

I hope she’s got a thick skin, they are going to tear her apart during the campaign.

509 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:40:02am
Birnbaum said a boycott had no impact on SodaStream as the growth rate of the business topped 40% last year, but that it is actually Palestinian workers who pay the price of the boycotts.

“Markets like Sweden, Finland, Denmark and Norway only receive products from outside this factory from the mother of human rights — China,” he said.

heh

510 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:40:40am

re: #495 A Mom Anon

Not to mention that this damned war bullshit of theirs is really destructive to just basic community cohesiveness. We have a big problem in this country with hatred of “others” and that kind of shit doesn’t help at all. I swear to god, last week I heard from idiots around here than “community” is now just a slick disguise for communism. Get it? Because both words start with the same letters and so therefore getting along with your neighbors and looking out for each other is a bad thing ‘cause it’s all liberal and shit. So fuck them and their war shit. Unless they enlisted or served they need to STFU.

I blame the Limbaughs of the world for that shit. I mean it’s one thing to disagree with liberals and liberalism but the way these guys have framed the debate, they want us to be viewed as somehow less than American or in the really fucked up cases, less than human. I realize that the politics by day and cocktails by night is something of a cliche and definitely exaggerated but I would like to see politics be more cordial and by making politics out to be war, it doesn’t get better.

511 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:40:49am

re: #508 Eclectic Cyborg

I hope she’s got a thick skin, they are going to tear her apart during the campaign.

DAVIS/FLUKE 2024

512 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:40:59am

I’m kinda laughing at a lot of people on Facebook, who are now on their second day of being indignant that Flea from the Red Hot Chili Peppers didn’t have a cable plugged into his bass during the Superb Owl halftime show.

And most of these people are musicians! I always, always, always go on the assumption that the halftime show music is canned.

Are they so goddamn naive that they can’t recognize miming to a track when they see it? The level of outrage due to Flea not plugging his bass in is unreal - you’d think he killed a puppy on live TV or something.

513 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:42:19am

re: #512 makeitstop

never heard of wireless pickups?

514 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:43:07am

And in the midst of all this wingnut Derp, here is some Dudebro butthurt

515 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:43:36am

re: #500 Varek Raith

Yep, Manassas to be precise.

That’s right. I went to Splashdown quite a bit as a kid.

516 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:43:54am

re: #514 Pie-onist Overlord

Facebook has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FIRST AMENDMENT!!

517 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:45:31am

re: #513 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

never heard of wireless pickups?

Of course. But that performance wasn’t live in any case. Maybe - maybe - the vocals. The rest - canned.

518 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:46:03am

*headdesk*

These people are batshit insane. From a blogger over at Herman Cain’s derpfest:

Culture: The problem with the Coke ad: You don’t get to invent your own definition of America

What was Coke trying to say? I’m not 100 percent sure, but I know what it felt like. I know it’s a bigger problem that needs to be noticed. I notice. What are you afraid of, and will it keep you from greatness? Will it keep you from remembering your identity? Will it keep you from remembering your national identity?

519 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:46:22am

re: #514 Pie-onist Overlord

520 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:47:04am

re: #514 Pie-onist Overlord

And in the midst of all this wingnut Derp, here is some Dudebro butthurt

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Man he whines a lot.

521 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:47:10am
522 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:47:32am

re: #516 Eclectic Cyborg

Facebook has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FIRST AMENDMENT!!

My first amendments were violated when I said hockey sucked in Toronto. // Kidding I A) have never been to Toronto and B) would want to make it out alive. But yeah what don’t dudebros, wingnuts, and idiots all not get about a companies not being subject to the first amendment.

523 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:48:08am

Had to log back in with some weather related news, especially seeing how the upper midwest, great lake states and east coast all look to be in the way of another wild week of winter.

A flock of Canadian Geese just passed overhead my house here in Columbus. I could hear them squawking loudly. They were heading due north east too.

That’s a good thing…right? I hope so anyway. I hope they know the long range forecast.

524 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:49:09am

re: #488 Targetpractice

But even in its estimations, the CBO acknowledges that the bits about the ACA have to do with the new reality: When insurance isn’t tied to employment, people aren’t as quick to find new jobs, less likely to stay in shitty ones, and employers will feel less pressured to pay higher wages if they know the government is there to cover the fall-off.

But that could still mean a reduction in income taxes collected and a increase in government spending. It’s certainly in Paul Ryan’s bailiwick to call attention to that fact.

525 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:49:18am

re: #506 Lidane

Someone should remake that meme with a black or Latina woman holding a gun. See how the nutters react.

Beyonce!

526 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:49:27am

re: #424 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!11!!!!

Don’t let libs throw “Godwin’s Law” at you. It was written by a socialist lawyer to divert attention from rising dictators.

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What he means is rising dictators that wingnuts disapprove of. Putin, for example, is okay. He’d probably have been cool with Herr Shicklegruber before Pearl Harbor.

527 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:49:37am

WTFITS I just can’t even…
Oh yeah and wingnuts, don’t illustrate a 17th-century story with a 19th century picture.

528 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:50:01am

re: #512 makeitstop

I’m kinda laughing at a lot of people on Facebook, who are now on their second day of being indignant that Flea from the Red Hot Chili Peppers didn’t have a cable plugged into his bass during the Superb Owl halftime show.

And most of these people are musicians! I always, always, always go on the assumption that the halftime show music is canned.

Are they so goddamn naive that they can’t recognize miming to a track when they see it? The level of outrage due to Flea not plugging his bass in is unreal - you’d think he killed a puppy on live TV or something.

The musicians I know pointed out that yeah, Flea and the Chili Peppers guitarist weren’t plugged in, but so what? The drummer was and Anthony Kiedis definitely was. Also, Bruno Mars and his band were live, since you could see the cables and wireless packs they were wearing.

Nobody was shocked that Flea and the Peppers guitarist were unplugged, since there was no way they were playing their parts and moving around the way they were anyway.

529 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:50:13am

re: #523 ObserverArt

Had to log back in with some weather related news, especially seeing how the upper midwest, great lake states and east coast all look to be in the way of another wild week of winter.

A flock of Canadian Geese just passed overhead my house here in Columbus. I could hear them squawking loudly. They were heading due north east too.

That’s a good thing…right? I hope so anyway. I hope they know the long range forecast.

Join me in a sadz…

Ohio Valley Weather Authority

I’m afraid we’re going to need more than shovels…

530 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:50:39am

re: #523 ObserverArt

Had to log back in with some weather related news, especially seeing how the upper midwest, great lake states and east coast all look to be in the way of another wild week of winter.

A flock of Canadian Geese just passed overhead my house here in Columbus. I could hear them squawking loudly. They were heading due north east too.

That’s a good thing…right? I hope so anyway. I hope they know the long range forecast.

We’ve got wedges of geese flying in all directions around here, even in the dead of Winter. I wouldn’t put too much stock in seeing them, as nice as they are to look at.

What I use to console myself after the new year comes - sunset times. Last week, I was thrilled to see daylight after 5PM here. It’s a little thing, but it’s measurable day by day.

531 Mattand  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:51:01am

re: #400 Dark_Falcon

Honestly, I think Karzai is past his sell-by date. I think its time for him to have an ‘accident’. I’d personally suggest a helicopter crash.

You know how I’m always criticizing conservatives for having a bit of a disconnect from humanity lately?

You’re not helping.

532 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:52:12am

re: #447 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR HURRRRR!!!!!!!!!

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Man, does that guy need help. Paranoia so deep I’m surprised he hasn’t killed someone yet.

533 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:53:54am

re: #483 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!! I IS TEH FUN FILLED LITTLE LOLLIPOP!!!!!!

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In this presentation, we see “then” and “now” as though they are both “now.” We see this kind of juxtaposition from the right wing pretty frequently: blaming present day Democrats for Jeff Davis, for instance (even as they defend Davis elsewhere). I don’t see liberals throwing the Grant scandals at the present-day GOP.
This whole notion of chronology seems to be difficult for them, almost a signature characteristic. This in turn leads to a fundamental failure to understand cause and effect. I think their hostility toward science originates at a very basic level indeed, with their mental processes themselves.

534 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:54:31am

Mental health break from the stupid:


And yes, it’s real. There are videos at the source.

535 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:54:40am

re: #527 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS I just can’t even…
Oh yeah and wingnuts, don’t illustrate a 17th-century story with a 19th century picture.

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en.wikipedia.org(colonist)

Slavery already existed in the Virginia colony long before 1657.

536 b.d.  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:54:52am

re: #514 Pie-onist Overlord

And in the midst of all this wingnut Derp, here is some Dudebro butthurt

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I WAS TOTALLY GOING OFF ON SOME DROOLING, SYCOPHANT OBAMABOT ABOUT ONLINE GOVT. PRIVACY INVASION AND OPPRESSION WHILE ON FACEBOOK……..

537 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:56:42am

re: #535 HappyWarrior

en.wikipedia.org(colonist)

Slavery already existed in the Virginia colony long before 1657.

I heard this story many years ago on a Paul Harvey radio segment. It was a historical anomaly, an oddity, not HURR HURR TEH BLAHS IS TEH ORIGINAL SLAVE OWNERS!!!1!!!!!!!

Yes there were actually some Black people (actually mixed race) who owned slaves. I think their numbers were even in the double digits.

538 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:57:20am

re: #533 Shiplord Kirel

In this presentation, we see “then” and “now” as though they are both “now.” We see this kind of juxtaposition from the right wing pretty frequently: blaming present day Democrats for Jeff Davis, for instance (even as they defend Davis elsewhere). I don’t see liberals throwing the Grant scandals at the present-day GOP.
This whole notion of chronology seems to be difficult for them, almost a signature characteristic. This in turn leads to a fundamental failure to understand cause and effect. I think their hostility toward science originates at a very basic level indeed, with their mental processes themselves.

Shit I don’t even see Dems blaming the GOP for the more modern Teapot Dome Scandal. I mean you see it brought up when we debate bad presidents and Harding’s name inevitably comes up. What I don’t get about these childish photo memes is what they’re actually trying to prove. Yeah in 1860 the Democrats were a racist party. Guess what, in 1860 most of our families weren’t here yet. But as I said last night, my favorite is people who tell African-Americans to “get over slavery” but call the Civil War the war of Northern Aggression and talk about General Sherman as if he were Eichmannn.

539 Mattand  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:57:58am

re: #527 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS I just can’t even…
Oh yeah and wingnuts, don’t illustrate a 17th-century story with a 19th century picture.

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What is the point of this, other than “A few black people held slaves in America, therefore…”

What? Slavery wasn’t bad? White people can never be racist? I just don’t understand Tea Baggers.

Also, there was no slavery in America until this one black guy showed up? Jesus god that is beyond stupid.

540 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:58:17am

re: #537 Pie-onist Overlord

I heard this story many years ago on a Paul Harvey radio segment. It was a historical anomaly, an oddity, not HURR HURR TEH BLAHS IS TEH ORIGINAL SLAVE OWNERS!!!1!!!!!!!

Yes there were actually some Black people (actually mixed race) who owned slaves. I think their numbers were even in the double digits.

Yeah it was an oddity. I just knew that was wrong because I remember vividly learning that teh first slaves in Virginia came in 1619 via I believe the Dutch.

541 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:59:22am

PWNage:

542 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:00:58am

re: #539 Mattand

What is the point of this, other than “A few black people held slaves in America, therefore…”

What? Slavery wasn’t bad? White people can never be racist? I just don’t understand Tea Baggers.

Also, there was no one in America until this one black guy showed up? Jesus god that is beyond stupid.

I think it’s more of the political schizophrenia that exists on the right. In one breath, they’re saying states rights, Lincoln was a tyrant, blah blah but in the next they want to blame slavery on blacks. Kind of like how they claim Christians opposed the slave trade i.e. Wilberforce which is actually true but ignore that many devout Christians used the same scripture to defend slavery and white supercaism. In short, they’re stupid.

543 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:01:03am

re: #492 Pie-onist Overlord

MOAR GUN-FUCKING

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Gah! Finger outside the trigger guard, lady!

544 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:02:16am

re: #383 HappyWarrior

Thing Re: Afghanistan was that we got way too focused on Iraq not long after the invasion there. The Bush administration wrongly wagered they could handle the two wars. Big mistake IMO.

Donny Rumsfield said we could do it. Big problem is the contractors that he depended on didn’t give a fuck about our troops or the country as a whole, only the money.

545 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:02:29am

re: #529 Backwoods_Sleuth

Join me in a sadz…

Ohio Valley Weather Authority

I’m afraid we’re going to need more than shovels…

Yeah…I’m joining you. But in protest though dammit. Resigned to the inevitable. Luckily, I’m all stocked up and don’t need to go out for a few days. Got plenty to work on doing a web site for myself as a portfolio.

(Shaking fist at the cold grey sky!)

546 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:02:41am

re: #502 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

Because this woman has little chance of being raped as long as she keeps that gun cocked and pointed at her date’s head…

As long as she never wonders out loud why she can’t get laid. //

547 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:03:30am

re: #385 Lidane

So their ‘states rights’ can go pound sand.

548 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:03:34am

re: #546 Romantic Heretic

As long as she never wonders out loud why she can’t get laid. //

Just don’t say that near her.
/

549 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:03:59am

re: #530 makeitstop

We’ve got wedges of geese flying in all directions around here, even in the dead of Winter. I wouldn’t put too much stock in seeing them, as nice as they are to look at.

What I use to console myself after the new year comes - sunset times. Last week, I was thrilled to see daylight after 5PM here. It’s a little thing, but it’s measurable day by day.

Agree about the daylight. I noticed last evening it was a little past 6 PM and it was still light outside.

550 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:04:37am

re: #221 William Barnett-Lewis

Well, unless you live in Washington state (or if your state bans the parts) you can legally own the parts.

ATF considers all the parts together to constitute a machinegun, whether or not you have an m1 receiver to put them in.

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The above parts consisting of an M2 selector lever, selector lever spring, disconnector lever assembly, M2 disconnector, disconnector spring, disconnector plunger and M2 hammer are classified as a machinegun. These parts are used specifically for fully automatic fire and have no application in a semiautomatic carbine. While other parts such as an M2 sear, operating slide, trigger housing and stock are used in the fully automatic carbine, these parts are also appropriate for use in semiautomatic M1 carbines.16

Maybe you’re right and without an M1 you can skate free, but it still takes huge balls to bid on any of those auctions. Sting operation is the first thing that came to my mind.

551 RadicalModerate  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:05:33am

The next time I see one of these “Democrat = racist” claims, I’m going to have to ask the person who said it if they know the name of one of the most famous white nationalist groups in the United States today.

Hint: Its name is NOT the Council of Liberal Citizens.

552 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:05:41am

re: #545 ObserverArt

Yeah…I’m joining you. But in protest though dammit. Resigned to the inevitable. Luckily, I’m all stocked up and don’t need to go out for a few days. Got plenty to work on doing a web site for myself as a portfolio.

(Shaking fist at the cold grey sky!)

I’m good until the power goes out, then it’s back to pioneer life for me…

553 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:05:51am
554 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:06:30am

HURR HURRRRR!!!!!1!!!!

555 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:06:39am

GM’s First Female CEO Will Make Half Of What Her Predecessor Made

But while she may have shattered that glass ceiling, her pay is another story. Looking at the company’s filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, Elizabeth MacDonald notes that Barra will be paid $4.4 million in total compensation, which includes a base salary of $1.6 million. Akerson, on the other hand, made an estimated $9 million, with a $1.7 million base salary and $7.3 million in stock. That means Barra will make less than half of what he made. In fact, Akerson will continue to make more as her, as GM will pay him $4.68 million as an outside senior adviser.

Worse, Barra comes to the job with an outsized amount of previous experience. She’s been with the company since 1980 and was most recently serving as senior vice president of global product development. Akerson, on the other hand, came into the role without a background running a car company, previously serving as a managing director of private equity firm The Carlyle Group, although he has been on GM’s board since 2009.

556 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:06:42am

re: #553 Lidane

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557 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:10:11am

A corollary to this gun-fucking meme is HURR HURRRRR!!!!! SHUT DOWN ALL TEH POLICE DEPARTMENTS!!!11! WHY SHUD TAXPAYERS PAY FOR POLICE WHO ARE YOONYUN THUGS WHEN WE CAN ALL HAZ GUNZ!!!1!!!!!!

558 Kragar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:11:16am
559 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:12:33am
560 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:13:39am

re: #557 Pie-onist Overlord

2 - 3 seconds. Ha!

561 b.d.  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:13:45am

re: #557 Pie-onist Overlord

A corollary to this gun-fucking meme is HURR HURRRRR!!!!! SHUT DOWN ALL TEH POLICE DEPARTMENTS!!!11! WHY SHUD TAXPAYERS PAY FOR POLICE WHO ARE YOONYUN THUGS WHEN WE CAN ALL HAZ GUNZ!!!1!!!!!!

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Uhm, that isn’t conceal carry at all if it is visible to all on your belt loop?

Hiding in your fat folds doesn’t count as concealing.

562 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:13:56am

re: #558 Kragar

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Libel, I do not think you understand what that word means.

563 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:16:28am

re: #551 RadicalModerate

The next time I see one of these “Democrat = racist” claims, I’m going to have to ask the person who said it if they know the name of one of the most famous white nationalist groups in the United States today.

Hint: Its name is NOT the Council of Liberal Citizens.

What has long amused me are those on the right who want to liken the left to the Nazis, KKK, etc. One second they’re calling us that but then they hate us for wanting and valuing cultural diversity. Somehow I don’t think the KKK is having halal food catered to their next rally or having their signs in English and Spanish.

564 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:16:34am

re: #557 Pie-onist Overlord

2-3 seconds? Only if they’re highly trained military snipers, and most likely not even then.

Morans.

565 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:16:57am

Um NO. SCOTUS does not rule on EVERY SINGLE LAW.

566 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:17:44am

re: #564 Lidane

2-3 seconds? Only if they’re highly trained military snipers, and most likely not even then.

Morans.

Snipers use rifles primarily. The graphic is speaking about handguns.

567 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:17:46am

re: #565 Pie-onist Overlord

Um NO. SCOTUS does not rule on EVERY SINGLE LAW.

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5 people too? I think Paul needs to retake 8th grade civics.

568 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:17:52am

re: #564 Lidane

2-3 seconds? Only if they’re highly trained military snipers, and most likely not even then.

Morans.

HURR HURR!!!!!!! BUT A GOOD GUY WITH A GUN WHO IS ALREADY THEIR IS STILL BETTER THEN TEH POLICE WHO ARENT THEIR!!!!!!!

569 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:17:59am

re: #507 Pie-onist Overlord

This is an actual Jefferson quote, BUT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT MANDATORY CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE CHURCH.

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Oh hey, so does that mean that Teabaggers are alright with me no longer paying any taxes to support any military action that is not purely defensive on our own soil?

570 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:18:43am

HURR HURR!!!!11!!!! WEAR WAS ALL TEH GOOD GUYS WITH TEH GUNS WHEN CHRIS KYLE WAS KILLED IN A GUN FREE ZONE!!!!!11!!!!!

571 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:19:44am

re: #558 Kragar

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The libertarian says:

“I have also been told that I don’t have a good case, since I did indeed use the exact words the NY Times quoted me as saying,” Block said.

572 calochortus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:19:52am

re: #567 HappyWarrior

5 people too? I think Paul needs to retake 8th grade civics.

I think he is referring to a majority of the Supreme Court. And theoretically it is true that any law could be challenged up to that level, although a Constitutional amendment would supercede that decision.
My question is, what is his alternative suggestion?

573 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:19:59am

re: #558 Kragar

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Everyone knows economics is not science. But, that this racist jerk is holding this kind of position is a bit frightening.

business.loyno.edu

574 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:20:04am

re: #566 Dark_Falcon

Snipers use rifles primarily. The graphic is speaking about handguns.

Semantics.

The point is that only a highly trained military shooter could pull their gun, aim, and shoot at a target in 2-3 seconds, and not even then. Some fat RWNJ tough guy? Not so much.

575 RadicalModerate  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:20:35am

re: #555 Varek Raith

GM’s First Female CEO Will Make Half Of What Her Predecessor Made

Actually, I’m kind of on board with this, as it sends a signal that even CEOs of the biggest companies don’t have to require the insane income inequity that executive compensation in the US is (in)famous for. I mean, she’s only making about 85 times what the average wage for a GM employee is, instead of nearly 200 times, like her predecessor.

576 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:21:31am

re: #565 Pie-onist Overlord

Judicial review, separation of powers, and the evaluation of laws enacted by legislatures? How does that work.

Does this nitwit not understand that the point of the courts is to apply the law to facts and circumstances? Occasionally, it means finding that a law violates a state or federal constitution. Usually that happens after several layers of review. Not exactly judicial tyranny.

Though that kind of mindset helps someone like Mark Levin sell lots of books to rubes.

577 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:22:16am

re: #576 lawhawk

Judicial review, separation of powers, and the evaluation of laws enacted by legislatures? How does that work.

Does this nitwit not understand that the point of the courts is to apply the law to facts and circumstances? Occasionally, it means finding that a law violates a state or federal constitution. Usually that happens after several layers of review. Not exactly judicial tyranny.

Though that kind of mindset helps someone like Mark Levin sell lots of books to rubes.

Judicial Tyranny = Any judicial decision with which I do not agree.

578 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:22:35am

re: #565 Pie-onist Overlord

Um NO. SCOTUS does not rule on EVERY SINGLE LAW.

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BENGHAZI!!!11

579 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:22:47am

re: #575 RadicalModerate

Actually, I’m kind of on board with this, as it sends a signal that even CEOs of the biggest companies don’t have to require the insane income inequity that executive compensation in the US is (in)famous for. I mean, she’s only making about 85 times what the average wage for a GM employee is, instead of nearly 200 times, like her predecessor.

The signal will be universally interpreted to mean it’s ok to pay women less, though. And that the only way to correct income inequality is to keep paying women less.

580 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:23:07am

re: #575 RadicalModerate

Actually, I’m kind of on board with this, as it sends a signal that even CEOs of the biggest companies don’t have to require the insane income inequity that executive compensation in the US is (in)famous for. I mean, she’s only making about 85 times what the average wage for a GM employee is, instead of nearly 200 times, like her predecessor.

So, if the company is trying to “save money” why are they doing this?

“In fact, Akerson will continue to make more as her, as GM will pay him $4.68 million as an outside senior adviser.”

581 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:23:12am

re: #572 calochortus

I think he is referring to a majority of the Supreme Court. And theoretically it is true that any law could be challenged up to that level, although a Constitutional amendment would supercede that decision.
My question is, what is his alternative suggestion?

Ah true. But yeah seems to me that he has a problem with the Constitution as it’s set up.

582 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:23:26am

re: #574 Lidane

Semantics.

The point is that only a highly trained military shooter could pull their gun, aim, and shoot at a target in 2-3 seconds, and not even then. Some fat RWNJ tough guy? Not so much.

Likelihood of victim being shot by the thing that was supposed to protect them:

Cops: X%.
Gunz: (YY * X)%

583 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:23:46am

re: #578 Dark_Falcon

BENGHAZI!!!11

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Geez, that guy is a dick.

584 calochortus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:23:57am

re: #581 HappyWarrior

Ah true. But yeah seems to me that he has a problem with the Constitution as it’s set up.

Because he isn’t personally making all those decisions? That would be really fair.

585 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:24:12am

re: #577 GunstarGreen

Judicial Tyranny = Any judicial decision with which I do not agree.

Yep the Roberts Court would be totally awesome if it had reversed ACA/upheld DOMA but because they upheld it and overturned DOMA, TYRANTS IN ROBESSSSSSSS!

586 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:24:17am

re: #574 Lidane

Semantics.

The point is that only a highly trained military shooter could pull their gun, aim, and shoot at a target in 2-3 seconds, and not even then. Some fat RWNJ tough guy? Not so much.

Doesn’t have to be military, just has to be well-trained. Police’d be more like to be swift with a hand gun that the military, truth to tell.

587 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:26:02am

HURR HURRRR!!!!! SO U LOST UR JRRB AS NASA SYSTEMS ENGINEER WHEN GOP VOTED TO CUT SPENDING, TOO BAD SO SAD, WALMART IS HIRING U LAZY MOOCHER!!!!11!!!

588 gwangung  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:26:05am

re: #586 Dark_Falcon

Doesn’t have to be military, just has to be well-trained. Police’d be more like to be swift with a hand gun that the military, truth to tell.

Not that THEY would be that accurate either….

589 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:26:22am

re: #575 RadicalModerate

Two competing interests here.

Barra is more qualified for the position, and is getting paid less than her predecessor (a male). That goes to gender equality issues that corporate world has long had issues addressing.

The second is the gap between employee wages and those of executives.

If Barra’s salary, along with the rest of the GM leadership were brought down to the same level, then it would actually address both simultaneously.

Instead, the hire shows just how both are still pretty screwed up.

590 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:26:29am

re: #586 Dark_Falcon

Doesn’t have to be military, just has to be well-trained. Police’d be more like to be swift with a hand gun that the military, truth to tell.

Which negates the point of that stupid meme. Most people don’t have the same level of training as cops or military. They’re not going to be pulling their gun, aiming, and firing accurately enough to stop their target in 2-3 seconds. Period.

591 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:27:19am

re: #590 Lidane

Which negates the point of that stupid meme. Most people don’t have the same level of training as cops or military. They’re not going to be pulling their gun, aiming, and firing accurately enough to stop their target in 2-3 seconds. Period.

Dumbass fuck thinks this is a video game.

592 calochortus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:27:51am

re: #574 Lidane

Semantics.

The point is that only a highly trained military shooter could pull their gun, aim, and shoot at a target in 2-3 seconds, and not even then. Some fat RWNJ tough guy? Not so much.

I remember a video of some ‘guns for self-defense on campus’ guy in a simulation of a classroom intruder situation. He knew ahead of time this was going to happen (presumably so he wouldn’t actually shoot anyone.) His contribution to the situation was to get his gun tangled up in his T-shirt and remaining upright as a good target while trying to disentangle it. Everyone else either dived for cover or ran out of the room.

593 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:28:00am

OH LOOK, PATRIOT DOESN’T LIKE TEH CONSTITUTION==>

594 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:28:15am

re: #587 Pie-onist Overlord

I like the completely random Bugs Bunny background, apropos of nothing.

I guess in Wingnutistan, just making a tweet with an insipid but of fluff text doesn’t have the same impact as doing the exact same thing with a random .BMP thrown behind it.

595 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:28:44am

re: #590 Lidane

Which negates the point of that stupid meme. Most people don’t have the same level of training as cops or military. They’re not going to be pulling their gun, aiming, and firing accurately enough to stop their target in 2-3 seconds. Period.

it is based on an Article of Faith that a gun is a magic talisman that can ward of evil, crime and terror simply by being wielded by a True Patriot.

596 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:28:51am

re: #579 wrenchwench

The signal will be universally interpreted to mean it’s ok to pay women less, though. And that the only way to correct income inequality is to keep paying women less.

It’s unfortunate, but have we even heard what her bonus structure is? Seems like we might be comparing someone who’s had a chance to earn all their bonuses with someone who hasn’t yet.

597 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:29:06am

re: #592 calochortus

I remember a video of some ‘guns for self-defense on campus’ guy in a simulation of a classroom intruder situation. He knew ahead of time this was going to happen (presumably so he wouldn’t actually shoot anyone.) His contribution to the situation was to get his gun tangled up in his T-shirt and remaining upright as a good target while trying to disentangle it. Everyone else either dived for cover or ran out of the room.

If I’m remembering the same video, another participant knew the intruder was coming and was armed, but was still so shocked by the sudden intrusion that she just sat there frozen in place until shot with a paint pellet.

598 calochortus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:30:03am

re: #597 Targetpractice

I believe you are correct.

599 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:30:17am

re: #592 calochortus

I remember a video of some ‘guns for self-defense on campus’ guy in a simulation of a classroom intruder situation. He knew ahead of time this was going to happen (presumably so he wouldn’t actually shoot anyone.) His contribution to the situation was to get his gun tangled up in his T-shirt and remaining upright as a good target while trying to disentangle it. Everyone else either dived for cover or ran out of the room.

It’s a fantasy. I mean I think it just shows naivete to believe that just having a gun on your person is going to prevent a rape, mugging, or something like that. Every situation’s going to be unique and every person’s response is going to be unique.

600 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:30:37am

MOAR GUN-FUCKING
And the stat is bogus.

601 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:30:39am

Suspicious package…

602 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:31:02am

re: #378 b.d.

What would have happened and what would the stories be if they found 70 packages of heroin on a live Philip Seymour Hoffman?

Possession with intent to distribute, probably.

603 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:31:12am

re: #592 calochortus

re: #595 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

re: #597 Targetpractice

It turns out that, exactly the same as with the US Constitution, the nutjobs that fetishize gunz the most are the ones that have the least understanding of and respect for the subject.

604 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:32:07am

re: #597 Targetpractice

If I’m remembering the same video, another participant knew the intruder was coming and was armed, but was still so shocked by the sudden intrusion that she just sat there frozen in place until shot with a paint pellet.

It’s easy to talk “If only they had a gun” when there isn’t someone in your face with a gun. Someone points a gun on me? I’m running. I’d take my chances doing that rather than trying to be some crazy wannabe. The otehr thing not often discussed is that having a person with a gun is definitely going to confuse the cops once they get on the scene.

605 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:32:13am

re: #600 Pie-onist Overlord

They sure got their gun pron on.
What triggered it?
…
..
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/I’ll be here all night!

606 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:32:32am

re: #595 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

it is based on an Article of Faith that a gun is a magic talisman that can ward of evil, crime and terror simply by being wielded by a True Patriot.

I believe ‘holy talisman’ would more correctly describe their mindset.

607 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:32:52am

So yeah, reading through the preliminary stories about the new CBO report (I’ve not the education or training to really digest it), it seems like the real story is “Economy slated to slow down,” but the CBO upping its projections on the economic impact of the ACA is producing headlines of “OBAMACARE SLOWING ECONOMY!!!”

608 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:33:06am

re: #603 GunstarGreen

It turns out that, exactly the same as with the US Constitution, the nutjobs that fetishize gunz the most are the ones that have the least understanding of and respect for the subject.

Which is why I worry honestly. They treat these damn things like toys not you know weapons that can end your life in seconds.

609 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:35:46am

re: #608 HappyWarrior

Which is why I worry honestly. They treat these damn things like toys not you know weapons that can end your life in seconds.

Mm-hmm. Dunning-Kruger’s wrath. Morons full of completely unwarranted bravado and confidence because they’re too damn stupid to know that they’re morons.

610 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:36:20am

re: #601 Justanotherhuman

nbcnewyork.com

Terminal evacuated, and a plane called back to terminal to evaluate suspicious bag, which was never loaded on the plane.

Daily News reported that baggage workers found a bag smoking. (Cue jokes only after this whole thing is concluded safely).

611 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:36:22am

re: #604 HappyWarrior

It’s easy to talk “If only they had a gun” when there isn’t someone in your face with a gun. Someone points a gun on me? I’m running. I’d take my chances doing that rather than trying to be some crazy wannabe. The otehr thing not often discussed is that having a person with a gun is definitely going to confuse the cops once they get on the scene.

It’s a soothing balm to salve themselves in the face of the reality that there’s no definitive proof that carrying a concealed handgun lowers incidences of crime. In their fantasies, they’d rather be dead with a gun in their hands than telling the cops that they had no choice but to comply with the guy who only wanted their wallet.

612 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:36:24am

Someone may need a nappy!

little davie sirota needs a nappy!

613 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:37:41am

CNN sinks lower…

614 RadicalModerate  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:38:06am

re: #589 lawhawk

Two competing interests here.

Barra is more qualified for the position, and is getting paid less than her predecessor (a male). That goes to gender equality issues that corporate world has long had issues addressing.

The second is the gap between employee wages and those of executives.

If Barra’s salary, along with the rest of the GM leadership were brought down to the same level, then it would actually address both simultaneously.

Instead, the hire shows just how both are still pretty screwed up.

I agree about the point that Barra is infinitely more qualified than Akerson, and the fact that he will be making more as an “outside adviser” than she is as the company CEO is mind-boggling. He’s effectively getting paid to do next to nothing, as most of the time these are positions created just for the right to sit at the executive board meetings.

I would like to see the leadership adjust their salaries accordingly, or at least rework it to a more modest base salary with additional compensation directly tied to company performance - that is averaged over several years instead of last-quarter profits.

615 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:38:09am

I have seen this exact same meme with Thomas Sowell. I guess to wingnuts “they all look alike.”

616 calochortus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:39:09am

re: #604 HappyWarrior

It’s easy to talk “If only they had a gun” when there isn’t someone in your face with a gun. Someone points a gun on me? I’m running. I’d take my chances doing that rather than trying to be some crazy wannabe. The otehr thing not often discussed is that having a person with a gun is definitely going to confuse the cops once they get on the scene.

Years ago I read a piece about someone who was confronted in their home by an intruder with a gun. Both individuals were surprised to see the other, and the intruder left. When the homeowner reported the situation to the police, the policeman commented that it was a good thing he didn’t have a gun. Why? Because even though the intruder hadn’t expected anyone to be home, he knew that anyone he ran into was a resident of the house. The homeowner had no such knowledge about the intruder. It could have been a neighbor kid pulling a prank, a family member with a key who didn’t want to disturb the owner, whatever. That would make the homeowner hesitate, while the intruder would have no such doubts and if threatened with a gun, could fire first.

617 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:39:31am

re: #615 Pie-onist Overlord

I have seen this exact same meme with Thomas Sowell. I guess to wingnuts “they all look alike.”

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So no taxes ever? Good luck paying for your massive military then conservatives.

618 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:39:54am

Self awareness? What is that?

619 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:41:01am

re: #613 Varek Raith

CNN sinks lower…

It’s bad marketing, true. But the actual story is a very good read.

620 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:41:08am

re: #574 Lidane

Semantics.

The point is that only a highly trained military shooter could pull their gun, aim, and shoot at a target in 2-3 seconds, and not even then. Some fat RWNJ tough guy? Not so much.

Yeah, they are all badass while shooting at paper silhouettes. Staring down the business end of a .45 pointing at you is a little different.

621 Kragar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:41:29am

re: #615 Pie-onist Overlord

I have seen this exact same meme with Thomas Sowell. I guess to wingnuts “they all look alike.”

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“How about I keep what I earn?”

“OK, you are now cut off from using public funded infrastructure, roads, schools, law enforcement, public safety, military protections and any form of business or consumer protecting. Have a nice day.”

622 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:42:39am

re: #620 Eventual Carrion

Yeah, they are all badass while shooting at paper silhouettes. Staring down the business end of a .45 pointing at you is a little different.

Exactly.

623 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:42:50am

I miss the days when news was about news and not ratings.
Sigh.

624 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:42:52am

re: #615 Pie-onist Overlord

I have seen this exact same meme with Thomas Sowell. I guess to wingnuts “they all look alike.”

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“I like to pay taxes. With them, I buy civilization.”
― Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.

625 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:43:17am

re: #406 Political Atheist

Can we stipulate those tcot people are insane?

There are sane voices out there
The mission of The Liberal Gun Club is to provide a voice for gun-owning liberals and moderates in the national conversation on gun rights, gun legislation, firearms safety, and shooting sports.
Read more at littlegreenfootballs.com
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I wonder if they made left handed flintlock actions. I would image having all the flash / smoke and flame popping up right in your line of sight would make for a hell of a flinch after time. Curious minds are just Curious

RBS

626 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:43:19am

re: #621 Kragar

“How about I keep what I earn?”

“OK, you are now cut off from using public funded infrastructure, roads, schools, law enforcement, public safety, military protections and any form of business or consumer protecting. Have a nice day.”

Williams gets his salary paid by the taxpayers of Virginia too. *cough hypocrite*. He’s also the same loser who coined the term feminazi.

627 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:43:42am

re: #621 Kragar

“How about I keep what I earn?”

“OK, you are now cut off from using public funded infrastructure, roads, schools, law enforcement, public safety, military protections and any form of business or consumer protecting. Have a nice day.”

“And when the local business owner cheats your ass, don’t come crying to me because you’re the one who made the deal.”

628 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:43:54am

re: #624 Targetpractice

“I like to pay taxes. With them, I buy civilization.”
― Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.

Yep. Wiseman that OWH.

629 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:44:05am

re: #621 Kragar

“How about I keep what I earn?”

“OK, you are now cut off from using public funded infrastructure, roads, schools, law enforcement, public safety, military protections and any form of business or consumer protecting. Have a nice day.”

HURR HURRRR!!!! WHO NEED TEH POLICE?? I CAN HAZ MAI OWN GUNZ!!!1!! WHO NEED TEH LIBARRY? I CAN HAZ AMAZON!!11!! WHO NEED TEH PUBLIK SCREWELZ, I CAN HAZ HOME SKOOL!!!!1!!!

630 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:45:59am

Fact is we all pay taxes for stuff we don’t like. That’s part of living in a stable democratic system. You don’t want to pay taxes for other people’s health care? Fine I don’t want my taxes paying to keep people in prison who smoke pot. Part of the social contract is we have to do this. If we only got to choose where our taxes went, there would be chaos. You’d think that a professor like Williams would know better than to spout out some stupid hyperbole about how I want to keep what I earn blah blah but no.

631 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:47:48am
632 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:48:53am

Another “home schooled” citizen

633 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:49:05am
The professors, Ian Ayres and William Eskridge, point out that in 2002 the United States hosted the Winter Olympics in Utah, one of the eight states, and argue that those criticizing Russia should also focus on changing the similar domestic laws.
634 calochortus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:49:52am

re: #632 Pie-onist Overlord

That would be giving him a gift basket of ripe, delicious peaches? Or would it involve pie?

635 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:50:13am

re: #630 HappyWarrior

Fact is we all pay taxes for stuff we don’t like. That’s part of living in a stable democratic system.

Taxation without representation is Tyranny!
-James Otis

Taxation is tyranny!
-Tea Party.

636 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:52:36am

re: #635 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

Taxation without representation is Tyranny!
-James Otis

Taxation is tyranny!
-Tea Party.

To go with that, it’s kind of amusing and telling how no Tea Partier had embraced giving DC citizens voting representation in Congress.

637 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:53:01am

re: #616 calochortus

Years ago I read a piece about someone who was confronted in their home by an intruder with a gun. Both individuals were surprised to see the other, and the intruder left. When the homeowner reported the situation to the police, the policeman commented that it was a good thing he didn’t have a gun. Why? Because even though the intruder hadn’t expected anyone to be home, he knew that anyone he ran into was a resident of the house. The homeowner had no such knowledge about the intruder. It could have been a neighbor kid pulling a prank, a family member with a key who didn’t want to disturb the owner, whatever. That would make the homeowner hesitate, while the intruder would have no such doubts and if threatened with a gun, could fire first.

That assumes the intruder does freeze up or that the homeowner will in fact hesitate. The latter is a problem that can be greatly reduced via proper training.

638 Kragar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:53:12am

re: #636 HappyWarrior

To go with that, it’s kind of amusing and telling how no Tea Partier had embraced giving DC citizens voting representation in Congress.

“Its for their own good.”

639 jaunte  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:54:51am

re: #635 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

Taxation without representation is Tyranny!
-James Otis

Taxation is tyranny!
-Tea Party.

You know you make me want to shout!
- Otis Day

640 Ace-o-aces  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:55:47am

re: #574 Lidane

Semantics.

The point is that only a highly trained military shooter could pull their gun, aim, and shoot at a target in 2-3 seconds, and not even then. Some fat RWNJ tough guy? Not so much.

3 seconds IS enough time for them to panic, fumble for their gun, and shoot themselves in the foot though.

641 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:56:48am

re: #567 HappyWarrior

5 people too? I think Paul needs to retake 8th grade civics.

And why does it matter what color their robes are?

642 jaunte  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:57:02am

re: #640 Ace-o-aces

About 15,600,000 results:
google.com

643 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:57:46am
644 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:57:49am

re: #641 Feline Fearless Leader

Any why does it matter what color their robes are?

Justices that wear pink robes are better I guess.

645 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:00:21am
646 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:00:48am

re: #643 Pie-onist Overlord

Kentucky Senate Passes Bill to Let Computer Programming Satisfy Foreign-Language Requirement

Would Cobol and C+++ count as “classical languages”?

647 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:01:39am

re: #646 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

Would Cobol and C+++ count as “classical languages”?

And FORTRAN!

648 Ace-o-aces  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:01:48am

re: #615 Pie-onist Overlord

I have seen this exact same meme with Thomas Sowell. I guess to wingnuts “they all look alike.”
[Embedded content]

Considering there are so few black conservative pundits, they could at least try to keep them straight.

649 Ace-o-aces  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:03:04am

re: #642 jaunte
Results for what?

650 calochortus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:03:05am

re: #637 Dark_Falcon

That assumes the intruder does freeze up or that the homeowner will in fact hesitate. The latter is a problem that can be greatly reduced via proper training.

It assumes that the intruder was there to grab your computer, and doesn’t want to add murder to his resumé. The properly trained homeowner who doesn’t hesitate is likely to shoot an innocent person by mistake. And live with it for the rest of their life. For example, when my son was in college he came home unexpectedly once. At 2 am. If I had heard him and had a gun, what might have happened?

651 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:04:38am

re: #650 calochortus

It assumes that the intruder was there to grab yourcomputer, and doesn’t want to add murder to his resumé. The properly trained homeowner who doesn’t hesitate is likely to shoot an innocent person by mistake. And lives with it for the rest of their life. For example, when my son was in college he came home unexpectedly once. At 2 am. If I had heard him and had a gun, what might have happened?

Woulda been his own damn fault if he’d been wearing a hoodie…

652 jaunte  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:04:51am
653 Ace-o-aces  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:05:23am

re: #632 Pie-onist Overlord

THE LETTER “I” IZ EZ TEH REAL RACISTS!!

654 calochortus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:05:24am

re: #651 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

Woulda been his own damn fault if he’d been wearing a hoodie…

Never wore a hoodie, but he did have long hair. An obvious bad actor…

655 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:05:47am

re: #652 jaunte

[Embedded content]

This is a terrible idea. It’s like giving Holocaust survivors and Holocaust deniers “equal time”

656 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:06:08am

re: #643 Pie-onist Overlord

[Embedded content]

Idiocracy wasn’t satire, it was a vision of the future.

657 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:06:15am

re: #645 wrenchwench

OMG, what is that? Is it a… ginormous praying mantis that just killed a hummingbird? ‘Cause that’s what it looks like. O_o

658 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:06:22am

re: #643 Pie-onist Overlord

Kentucky Senate Passes Bill to Let Computer Programming Satisfy Foreign-Language Requirement lgf.bz content]

Actually, many many years ago when my Mom was getting her Doctorate in Psychology at University of Kansas (Go Jayhawks), she had an option to take a computer language class rather than a foreign language to meet that requirement. I remember she took Fortran (Punch cards of course).

RBS

659 jaunte  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:07:37am

re: #655 Pie-onist Overlord

I hate to see Ken Ham given any free air time. He’s going to teach Bill Nye about the Gish Gallop.

660 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:08:03am

re: #639 jaunte

You know you make me want to shout!
- Otis Day Ronnie Isley

FTFY, in the name of historical correctness. :)

661 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:10:35am

re: #632 Pie-onist Overlord

Another “home schooled” citizen

Teabaggers want to “Empeach” Obama.

Well, he sure is imphatic!

662 jaunte  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:12:31am

Ken Ham is already promoting his debate victory DVD:


663 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:13:30am

re: #656 Targetpractice

Idiocracy wasn’t satire, it was a vision of the future.

[JohnCarpenter]It was actually a documentary sent back to us via tachyon transmissions.[/JohnCarpenter]

664 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:14:50am

re: #657 CuriousLurker

OMG, what is that? Is it a… ginormous praying mantis that just killed a hummingbird? ‘Cause that’s what it looks like. O_o

A praying mantis will go after a hummingbird.

Youtube Video

665 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:15:28am

re: #657 CuriousLurker

OMG, what is that? Is it a… ginormous praying mantis that just killed a hummingbird? ‘Cause that’s what it looks like. O_o

I believe you are correct, and that they are hanging off the bottom of a hummingbird feeder bait station.

666 jaunte  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:20:10am
667 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:20:18am

re: #665 wrenchwench

I believe you are correct, and that they are hanging off the bottom of a hummingbird feeder bait station.

The bigger ones prefer land-bound prey

668 Kragar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:22:48am

re: #667 Feline Fearless Leader

The bigger ones prefer land-bound prey

MST3k Season 8, Episode 4

“I’ve got a Mantis in my Pantis!”

669 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:23:47am

re: #637 Dark_Falcon

That assumes the intruder does freeze up or that the homeowner will in fact hesitate. The latter is a problem that can be greatly reduced via proper training.

Dark,

Sometimes I get the feeling you live in a fantasy world.

Do you ignore that too many times police and military with the proper training still mess up? You’re well read, so how can you ignore the real-world facts? And do you think the average citizen can ever get that level of training?

And please keep in mind, you have admitted you do not keep a gun. So, where do you get the assurance that you know training for the average Joe is going to eliminate panic, nerves, anger, stupidity and all the other little things that could lead to really bad outcomes?

670 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:24:24am

re: #668 Kragar

MST3k Season 8, Episode 4

“I’ve got a Mantis in my Pantis!”

You beat me! Damn you!

671 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:24:37am

STAY CLASSY WINGNUTS

672 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:25:04am
673 Kragar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:26:20am

re: #670 Targetpractice

You beat me! Damn you!

Youtube Video

674 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:28:28am
675 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:28:45am

re: #618 Pie-onist Overlord

Self awareness? What is that?

In the digital media age, “curator” sometimes seems like a euphemism for “people who takes others’ hard work & monetizes it for themselves”
— David Sirota (@davidsirota) February 4, 2014

In the digital media age, a “whistle blower” sometimes seems like a euphemism for “people who steals others’ hard work & monetizes it for themselves”

676 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:28:57am

re: #646 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

Would Cobol and C+++ count as “classical languages”?

Where is the end of year field trip? Bell laboratories?

677 Kragar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:30:18am

re: #676 Eventual Carrion

Where is the end of year field trip? Bell laboratories?

Punch cards and cuneiform are basically the same thing, right?

678 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:30:49am

re: #672 Pie-onist Overlord

[Embedded content]

“Do please explain for us: If Obama is a Hitlerian dictator, why are you still able to post tweets spewing hatred and bile about him and not, you know, being executed?”

679 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:30:57am

HURR HURR!!!!! HOW DARE U CLAIM TEH WALTONS HARD EARNED GAINS WHEN ALL U DO IS STAND AROUND & STOCK THEIR STORE SHELVES & OPERATE THEIR CASH REGISTERS U LAZY MOOCHER!!!!1!!!!!!

680 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:31:56am

HURR HURRR!!!!! DERP.

681 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:32:07am

re: #674 Pie-onist Overlord

They were documented, all right there on the bill of sale…

682 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:35:30am

re: #678 GunstarGreen

“Do please explain for us: If Obama is a Hitlerian dictator, why are you still able to post tweets spewing hatred and bile about him and not, you know, being executed?”

Reminds me of Louis C.K “comparing” Ray Charles to Hitler. Hitler……….killed a lot of Jews. Ray Charles did not kill a lot of Jews………. Seriously if you think Obama’s like Hitler, you’re a fucking moron.

683 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:35:54am

re: #677 Kragar

Punch cards and cuneiform are basically the same thing, right?

Cuneiform is probably quicker to get done correctly. And easier to put back together if the operator drops it on the floor.

684 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:36:37am

re: #673 Kragar

[Embedded content]

Ants in the Pants

685 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:36:45am

re: #680 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURRR!!!!! DERP.

[Embedded content]

In my experience, the sentences are the exact opposite. A conservative who questions party doctrine, who thinks on a subject and reaches a different conclusion (i.e. “cutting taxes doesn’t lead to job growth”), is somebody who’s been “brainwashed” and thus must be dragged back into line.

686 calochortus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:37:02am

OK, the conservatives have convinced me to quit sitting here and go do something constructive.
Of course, since it’s housework (or maybe some yardwork), and I’m a housewife, I won’t be paid which means my work is essentially meaningless, but since I’m a woman it is appropriate for me to do this as my highest calling.
Or something. ;)

BBL

687 Kragar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:38:48am

“Hey, lets knock out that job first thing at 9am.”

10:37 and I’m still waiting on fucknut.

688 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:38:58am

re: #643 Pie-onist Overlord

[Embedded content]

I do dislike using the term ‘language’ to describe the methods by which computers are given instructions. I much prefer Niklaus Wirth’s description of ‘programming formalisms’.

This is why I think this bill is as dumb as any piece of legislation I’ve ever heard of, including the one that made three the value of pi.

689 jaunte  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:39:39am

re: #680 Pie-onist Overlord

He just wants you to think about his hat.

690 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:39:55am

re: #685 Targetpractice

In my experience, the sentences are the exact opposite. A conservative who questions party doctrine, who thinks on a subject and reaches a different conclusion (i.e. “cutting taxes doesn’t lead to job growth”), is somebody who’s been “brainwashed” and thus must be dragged back into line.

Or conservatives who think gays should have equal rights and Muslims the freedom to worship. Ted Olson was “brainwashed.” Really these childish meme photos are just stupid. Here’s of photo of group I don’t like acting like a bag of dicks and here’s my side acting like gracious patriots.

691 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:40:25am

re: #689 jaunte

He just wants you to think about his hat.

Halloween was in October, dude.

692 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:42:19am

heh…

Victoria Jackson to run for local office because she smells “communism and socialism creeping in here”

Lots of vintage and new Victoria derp included.

693 ContraryLemming  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 11:02:47am

Meanwhile, Glenn Beck is doing his bit to Increase the Derpitude, claiming that the ad is meant to “divide us and make conservatives feel bad about themselves.”

Yep, Glenn. That’s what Coke trying to do. Because everything in the world is all a conspiracy, and it’s all about you and the frightened little dweebs that hang on your every word. Because you’re just all so important.

In related news, the earth tilts on its axis, causing the seasonal shifts, and it’s a seekrit plot that’s really All About Making Conservatives Have To Deal With Winter!!!

694 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 11:41:28am

re: #397 lawhawk

That’s a pretty bad misunderstanding of an old Latin saying.

Not to mention that Georg Luger died in 1923 and his namesake pistol first went into service with the Swiss in 1900.

Misrepresenting history isn’t good no matter who does it.

695 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:47:56pm

re: #32 Achilles Tang

I’ve just finished reading some of the rubbish you’ve been posting, and I think I’ve completely had enough. CL spent time writing some really interesting Pages, and you came in and crapped all over them. That’s the last time.

696 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:54:06pm

Bravo.

697 anti1%er  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:00:10pm

Next they’ll want to dump the name America since ends with an “a”. They’ll want Amerik or Amerreich, something that doesn’t have a Spanish ending sound. Plutopia might appeal to the Tea Party shills-for-the-rich crowd, except for that irritating “a”.

698 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:16:18am

re: #697 anti1%er

Welcome, hatchling.


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