Suddenly Chris Christie Is a Right Wing Hero, Invited to CPAC

What a difference a corruption scandal makes
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You know how the right wing has always despised New Jersey Governor Chris Christie as a RINO, someone who’s willing to make deals and compromises; in other words, a total loser?

Well, suddenly Christie is back in the good graces of the right, and all it took was a massive corruption scandal: Bridge-Gate: Why Conservatives Are Now Embracing Chris Christie.

After being snubbed last year, embattled New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) has been invited to speak next month at the Conservative Political Action Conference, or CPAC - the biggest conservative confab of the year.

Governor Christie, under intense pressure over the ongoing “Bridge-gate” scandal, was also embraced over the weekend by top Republicans appearing on Sunday talk shows. On ABC News, Rep. Paul Ryan (R) of Wisconsin called Christie a “fantastic governor.” And both he and Gov. Bobby Jindal (R) of Louisiana (appearing on CNN) said Christie should stay on as chairman of the Republican Governors Association.

Even some of the most conservative lights, who typically ridicule Christie as a “RINO” - a Republican in Name Only - have managed at times to come down on Christie’s side since Bridge-gate broke last month. Fox News host Sean Hannity has defended Christie’s use of hurricane Sandy relief money.

Just more evidence that the overriding principle driving the conservative movement in 2014 is a sort of base, mean-spirited contrarianism.

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294 comments
1 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:32:18pm

Some people fear the Tea party greatly, but the Derpie is out of the bottle and cannot be stuffed back in. They have lost control of the message, the platform and the ideology.

2 Kragar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:34:09pm

“HE’S JUST AS CORRUPT AND EVIL AS THE REST OF US! BRING HIM ON DOWN!”

3 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:34:23pm

Everytime a Republican is involved in a scandal, another CPAC get’s its wings.

4 leftynyc  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:35:06pm

I guess they can read polls and aren’t crazy about the Huckster all of sudden being on top of them.

5 b.d.  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:35:27pm

DEMS HATE HIM? LET’S ADOPT HIM NOW.

6 darthstar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:36:04pm

He’s already invited to CPAC? He hasn’t even been indicted yet! And they say their club is exclusive…sheesh.

7 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:36:30pm

Yet more proof that the Republican Party has no platform beyond “whatever trolls liberals”.

8 simoom  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:36:51pm
9 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:37:03pm

This.

“Just more evidence that the overriding principle driving the conservative movement in 2014 is a sort of base, mean-spirited contrarianism.”

And really, not even conservative, but more reactionary than anything else.

10 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:37:16pm

What will be the subject of his speech? “How To Effectively Con The Media”?

11 b.d.  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:37:20pm

IF WE KNEW HE WAS THIS BIG OF A JERK THEN WE WOULD HAVE INVITED HIM LONG AGO

12 Tigger2  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:37:39pm

Going to crazy CPAC should really endear Christie to Independents and Moderate Republicans. ///

13 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:37:40pm

re: #8 simoom

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And the entire storm is utter BS if one takes time to actually read the report.

14 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:38:21pm

re: #8 simoom

Also amazing that amid all the ACA storm today there’s no recognition that by severing the employment-insurance chain the law is doing exactly what it was fcking intended to do.

15 leftynyc  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:38:28pm

Sorry to go OT so early but Holy Cow - I wouldn’t mind hearing an explanation for this:

thinkprogress.org

snip

But while she may have shattered that glass ceiling, her pay is another story. Looking at the company’s filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, Elizabeth MacDonald notes that Barra will be paid $4.4 million in total compensation, which includes a base salary of $1.6 million. Akerson, on the other hand, made an estimated $9 million, with a $1.7 million base salary and $7.3 million in stock. That means Barra will make less than half of what he made. In fact, Akerson will continue to make more as her, as GM will pay him $4.68 million as an outside senior adviser.

16 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:38:41pm

re: #13 Targetpractice

And the entire storm is utter BS if one takes time to actually read the report.

But, but, but! Paul Ryan!

17 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:38:48pm

re: #8 simoom

But the DEBT DEBT DEBT DEFICIT DEBT DEBT!!!!1

/

18 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:38:55pm

suddenly Christie is back in the good graces of th

curiously, it was when his brand was Republican But Can Co-operate With Obama that he was leading in the 2016 polls

somehow wingnuttia failed to take the hint

19 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:39:26pm

“Christie’s a RINO! He’s in no way a true conservative!”
“This just in, allegations circling Governor Christie that involve abuse of power and possible corruption.”
“CHRISTIE IS A TRUE CONSERVATIVE!!!”

20 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:40:15pm

re: #12 Tigger2

CPAC is totally non-bi-partisany and Very Serious and anyone who doesn’t think that is just a biased ignorant libtard. //

21 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:41:03pm

So, does this mean that the wingnuts will now have to boycott CPAC? Even Erick, Son of Erick was taking Big Chris’ side a couple weeks ago.

22 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:41:19pm

We’re drowning in DEBT and passing all this National dEBT down to grandchildren because of commy obama.

23 b.d.  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:42:20pm

Circle the wagons and blame a liberal media.

It’s worked many, many, many times before.

24 Tigger2  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:45:00pm

re: #23 b.d.

Circle the wagons and blame a liberal media.

It’s worked many, many, many times before.

I think that ploy is getting old and ineffective with younger voters.

25 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:45:19pm

re: #23 b.d.

Circle the wagons and blame a liberal media.

It’s worked many, many, many times before.

Yeah, amazing how quickly he was welcomed back into the fold when he went on the offensive against the Times.

26 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:45:51pm

Hold the presses!

D.C. Council Gives Preliminary Approval to Decriminalize Pot

nbcwashington.com

27 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:46:36pm

Nothing like a scandal of your own making to get your fellow GOPers to welcome you back into the fold. Kinda odd though.

Do these others at CPAC want to be associated with Christie if the allegations, evidence, and witnesses all point back to Christie himself? That’d be one heck of poor judgment to associate with him. You’d think they’d want to play it safe and keep their distance. They’re doing the opposite, so they must think that there’s something to gain politically by having him there.

Christie’s not exactly going to endear himself to New Jerseyeans (the majority of which are moderates/liberals), but that may be the point. He’s already looking at the exit strategy here - and running for president gets him out of the state faster than you can shut down a lane of traffic on the GWB.

28 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:48:52pm

re: #27 lawhawk

Nothing like a scandal of your own making to get your fellow GOPers to welcome you back into the fold. Kinda odd though.

Do these others at CPAC want to be associated with Christie if the allegations, evidence, and witnesses all point back to Christie himself? That’d be one heck of poor judgment to associate with him. You’d think they’d want to play it safe and keep their distance. They’re doing the opposite, so they must think that there’s something to gain politically by having him there.

Christie’s not exactly going to endear himself to New Jerseyeans (the majority of which are moderates/liberals), but that may be the point. He’s already looking at the exit strategy here - and running for president gets him out of the state faster than you can shut down a lane of traffic on the GWB.

It also wouldn’t be the first time that the party has willfully embraced a major political figure at the center of an unfolding scandal. Short of getting incarcerated, anything that happens to Christie will ultimately be paved over with the excuse of “Democrats were out to get him!” Hell, let’s ask Mark Sanford how long a grudge conservatives hold.

29 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:51:15pm

By the way…

littlegreenfootballs.com

30 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:52:09pm

re: #27 lawhawk

Nothing like a scandal of your own making to get your fellow GOPers to welcome you back into the fold. Kinda odd though.

Do these others at CPAC want to be associated with Christie if the allegations, evidence, and witnesses all point back to Christie himself? That’d be one heck of poor judgment to associate with him. You’d think they’d want to play it safe and keep their distance. They’re doing the opposite, so they must think that there’s something to gain politically by having him there.

Christie’s not exactly going to endear himself to New Jerseyeans (the majority of which are moderates/liberals), but that may be the point. He’s already looking at the exit strategy here - and running for president gets him out of the state faster than you can shut down a lane of traffic on the GWB.

no one has ever accused CPAC of good judgment..

31 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:52:37pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

By the way…

littlegreenfootballs.com

Got on your last nerve.

32 Joanne  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:56:25pm

Oooh! I called this on day one. Conservatives loves them some retribution. Totally turns them on.

33 Kragar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:57:21pm
34 b.d.  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:57:46pm

And if you’re going to say bad things about Chris Christie then you better do it in English!!

35 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:57:55pm

re: #31 Pie-onist Overlord

The other one too. These two especially have been harassing CL and ruining her efforts to contribute to LGF, and I’m finished allowing it.

36 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:58:30pm

re: #32 Joanne

Oooh! I called this on day one. Conservatives loves them some retribution. Totally turns them on.

They love it, so long as it looks like it pisses off liberals. And now that the Times has weighed in, they likely think they’re pissing off New York liberals, their favorite targets.

37 simoom  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:58:47pm

re: #13 Targetpractice

And the entire storm is utter BS if one takes time to actually read the report.

Yeah, the report actually disagrees w/ a number of recent GOP ACA talking points, though that’s getting little attention.

politico.com

And in a significant victory for the Obama administration, the budget office now says the law’s “risk corridors” program — the part Republicans are calling a “bailout for insurers” — would actually save $8 billion over the long term.

The reason: The program is supposed to pay health insurers that have higher-than-expected costs, but the money flows both ways. So if insurers’ costs are lower than expected, they’re supposed to pay the government.

As a result, the CBO now projects that the program will collect more payments from insurers than it gives them, saving the government money between 2015 and 2017. The program is a temporary one that only lasts for three years.

mediaite.com

The CBO also projected that an aggregate of the ACA’s policies “will reduce federal budget deficits by $206 billion over the 2015-2024 period,” and estimated that insurance premiums in 2014 would be lowered by about 15% from the agency’s initial projections.

washingtonpost.com

The CBO did look at the effect on demand for labor (i.e., jobs) but said the effects are mostly on the margins or are not measurable. In fact, in contrast to a common GOP talking point, the CBO declares that “there is no compelling evidence that part-time employment has increased as a result of the ACA,” though it notes the data may be murky because the employer mandate was delayed until 2015.

The GOP talking points so far today, on the report, keep mentioning employers being forced to lay off workers, when they’d instead have to be making statements about labor supply to be at all accurate.

38 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 12:59:15pm

Double Bravo.

39 b.d.  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:00:08pm
“If I’m a newspaper reporter for fill-in-the-blank and I sell stolen material is that legal because I’m a newspaper reporter,” said Rogers, who did not mention Greenwald by name during the hearing but made the reference to him clear later in response to reporters’ questions.

“If you’re a newspaper reporter and you’re hawking stolen jewelery, it’s still a crime,” Comey said, before adding that the issue of a journalist selling access to information was “a harder question.”


Read more: politico.com

40 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:00:51pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

The other one too. These two especially have been harassing CL and ruining her efforts to contribute to LGF, and I’m finished allowing it.

That Sideways Jerk?
Fuck him sideways.

41 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:01:04pm

It’s often hard to know where to draw the line between abusive behavior and legitimate argument, but they definitely crossed that line.

42 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:01:25pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

The other one too. These two especially have been harassing CL and ruining her efforts to contribute to LGF, and I’m finished allowing it.

Thank you. I’m gonna go put my Islamophobia Page back now…

43 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:01:35pm

The various Christie staffers and such who have resigned or been fired are resisting turning over records in accordance with subpoenas issued by the NJ Legislature. Their lawyers are claiming privilege to not do so based on the 4th and 5th Amendments.

Also saw something were they are seeing whether or not they can fund raise for defense funds yet.

My personal take is not if things will break, but when. And once one of the main three cracks or cuts a deal the others go down hard. And I also think the NJ GOP might not be looking at their long-term future if they start rallying around Christie and allies and start fund-raising for the defenses. That will tie them more closely to the scandal when things do break.

44 Please Proceed  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:01:43pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

It’s often hard to know where to draw the line between abusive behavior and legitimate argument, but they definitely crossed that line.

Do not cross the lines…

45 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:01:52pm

re: #37 simoom

Yeah, the report actually disagrees w/ a number of recent GOP ACA talking points, though that’s getting little attention.

politico.com

mediaite.com

washingtonpost.com

The GOP talking points so far today, on the report, keep mentioning employers being forced to lay off workers, when they’d have to be making statements about labor supply estimates to be at all accurate.

Yep, every indication in the report is that the law is working as expected, with the decoupling of employment and insurance leading people to cut back on their work and even leaving the workforce altogether.

46 aagcobb  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:07:30pm

re: #45 Targetpractice

Yep, every indication in the report is that the law is working as expected, with the decoupling of employment and insurance leading people to cut back on their work and even leaving the workforce altogether.

And since the report said it wouldn’t reduce the demand for total workers’ hours, it should open up a lot of jobs for people who need the work.

47 chadu  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:07:39pm

re: #2 Kragar

“HE’S JUST AS CORRUPT AND EVIL AS THE REST OF US! BRING HIM ON DOWN!”

BRING HIM A FRUIT BASKET!

48 chadu  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:08:29pm

re: #4 leftynyc

I guess they can read polls and aren’t crazy about the Huckster all of sudden being on top of them.

(image of Huck on top of Christie)

O.o

I think my brain just blue-screened.

49 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:09:06pm
50 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:09:55pm

re: #48 chadu

Remember when Herman 999999999 Cain was leading the Gop clown car? Remember when Newt Gingrich was leading? Remember when…..

Good times.

51 Kragar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:10:39pm

This asshole…

52 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:13:03pm

re: #17 Bulworth

But the DEBT DEBT DEBT DEFICIT DEBT DEBT!!!!1

/

Debt!

53 chadu  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:13:49pm

re: #50 Bulworth

Remember when Herman 999999999 Cain was leading the Gop clown car? Remember when Newt Gingrich was leading? Remember when…..

Good times.

Betcha Bachmann goes all-in this time. (The big tell is if she tries to recruit Palin in any regard.)

54 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:14:27pm

I’ll be posting the live video of the Bill Nye-Ken Ham “debate.” But I have to admit I’m not in favor of Nye doing this, even though I’m a fan. I just don’t think it’s possible for a creationist to debate honestly, and I think there’s zero chance that anyone’s mind will be changed as a result of this.

Also, Nye is a very smart person, but he’s not skilled at handling the kind of rapid fire misleading bullshit Ham is gonna spew at him.

55 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:15:20pm

re: #53 chadu

Betcha Bachmann goes all-in this time. (The big tell is if she tries to recruit Palin in any regard.)

Bachmann/Palin Overdrive?
U Ain’t See Derp’n Yet.

56 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:16:40pm

It comes down to this: Ken Ham believes in magic. End of story. You can’t debate with someone who isn’t even playing by the same rules of logic.

57 aagcobb  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:16:44pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

I’ll be posting the live video of the Bill Nye-Ken Ham “debate.” But I have to admit I’m not in favor of Nye doing this, even though I’m a fan. I just don’t think it’s possible for a creationist to debate honestly, and I think there’s zero chance that anyone’s mind will be changed as a result of this.

Also, Nye is a very smart person, but he’s not skilled at handling the kind of rapid fire misleading bullshit Ham is gonna spew at him.

Bad idea of Nye to give a loser like Ham this kind of exposure. Ham’s empire is imploding as the financing for his “Ark Park” just isn’t there; we don’t need to throw him a life preserver.

58 Please Proceed  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:16:48pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

I’ll be posting the live video of the Bill Nye-Ken Ham “debate.” But I have to admit I’m not in favor of Nye doing this, even though I’m a fan. I just don’t think it’s possible for a creationist to debate honestly, and I think there’s zero chance that anyone’s mind will be changed as a result of this.

Also, Nye is a very smart person, but he’s not skilled at handling the kind of rapid fire misleading bullshit Ham is gonna spew at him.

I agree that it’s silly, but sometimes you have to go into the lion’s den…

59 chadu  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:17:15pm

re: #55 Feline Fearless Leader

Bachmann/Palin Overdrive?
U Ain’t See Derp’n Yet.

I totes caught them at the State Fair last year.

(drags on “cigarette”)

Tha show was tight, mang…

(exhales)

60 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:21:03pm

re: #51 Kragar

This asshole…

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Same logic: There’s no such thing as acts of terrorism. Terrorism is merely a strategy, violent political coercion used by bad people.

Yeah, uh-huh, that totally makes sense. //

61 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:21:04pm

re: #58 Please Proceed

I agree that it’s silly, but sometimes you have to go into the lion’s den…

It’s a creationist forum. The audience is most likely packed by Ken Ham to be all or mostly a bunch of creationist idiots. Ken Ham will be making a video of this event to be edited (most likely deceptively) and used for fund raising. Ken Ham will not debate anything honestly, since creationists never do.

This isn’t a lion’s den. It’s a wood chipper.

62 Kragar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:21:10pm
63 bratwurst  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:22:17pm

To jump back a couple of threads…while I am certainly entertained by the butthurt over the Coke ad, there is also something troubling about it for me. I just can’t get over that far from being embarrassed about being bigots, many thousands of wingnuts (from media talking heads on down to sports radio callers) are LINING UP to have a chance to expose and rationalize their bigotry. I shouldn’t be surprised by anything they do at this point, but I am really sad that so many people are so proud of being xenophobic.

64 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:24:06pm

re: #57 aagcobb

Bad idea of Nye to give a loser like Ham this kind of exposure. Ham’s empire is imploding as the financing for his “Ark Park” just isn’t there; we don’t need to throw him a life preserver.

THIS. He’ll become the latest martyr and the wingnuts will start throwing money at him.

65 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:24:42pm

re: #63 bratwurst

To jump back a couple of threads…while I am certainly entertained by the butthurt over the Coke ad, there is also something troubling about it for me. I just can’t get over that far from being embarrassed about being bigots, many thousands of wingnuts (from media talking heads on down to sports radio callers) are LINING UP to have a chance to expose and rationalize their bigotry. I shouldn’t be surprised by anything they do at this point, but I am really sad that so many people are so proud of being xenophobic.

Embarrassment I can live with. The fact that a significant block of voters in the US are steadily feeding their malignant insanity, and will govern that way whenever and wherever they can get political power is what bothers me.

66 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:25:45pm

re: #51 Kragar

Yeah, he’s incapable of arguing against the facts, statistics, or logic, so now he’s throwing out completely nonsensical ravings.

Complained about the MAG gun statistics showing that states with strong gun laws were getting overrun by guns from states with lax gun laws, so he complained about the source.

Except that the original source? The BATF. So he moved on to the next talking point, moving goal posts, and otherwise ignoring reality.

67 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:26:02pm
68 b.d.  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:27:41pm

THEN HOW COME THERE ARE STILL MONKEYS?

69 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:28:19pm

re: #64 CuriousLurker

THIS. He’ll become the latest martyr and the wingnuts will start throwing money at him.

I think the creationists will score the debate as a win for Ken Ham. The whining about oppression comes when they talk about the opposition of the courts to creationism in public schools.

70 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:30:56pm

Good lord. I just read some of the Breitbart comment thread about Sandra Fluke running for Waxman’s seat. It’s getting even worse over there. What a sewer.

71 Amory Blaine  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:31:04pm

It’s likely that Ham will set up some exchange to make Nye appear as if he has offended Christianity or has been disrespectful of Christians and their beliefs. I can see this buzzing on the rural and fringe of AM radio. Enough to raise some money for his park.

72 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:31:37pm

re: #69 EPR-radar

I think the creationists will score the debate as a win for Ken Ham. The whining about oppression comes when they talk about the opposition of the courts to creationism in public schools.

Because if schools taught people what science is and how it works, they would understand that creationism does not belong in any science curriculum.

73 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:31:45pm

An est. 7500 “foreign fighters” are in Syria.

Syria: At least 50 Americans have joined extremist units, U.S. says

WASHINGTON — At least 50 Americans have joined the mix of extremist groups that are fighting to overthrow Syrian President Bashar Assad, and some could try to mount terrorist attacks at home, U.S. intelligence officials said Tuesday.

(snip)

“Clapper said he was particularly concerned about a small cadre of Al Qaeda operatives who have fought in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and who aspire to attack the United States.

“Not only are fighters being drawn to Syria, but so are technologies and techniques that pose particular problems to our defenses,” Clapper said.

latimes.com

What a damned mess Syria is.

74 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:32:03pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

Good lord. I just read some of the Breitbart comment thread about Sandra Fluke running for Waxman’s seat. It’s getting even worse over there. What a sewer.

Just warming up for Hillary in ‘16

75 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:34:43pm

re: #62 Kragar

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Nye should have answered, “What is there to debate? Creationism is a religious belief. There is no scientific point of contention, there is nothing debatable between empirical evidence of evolution versus a story which emerged during the Bronze Age and likely originated long before the Neolithic Era.”

76 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:34:54pm

re: #63 bratwurst

To jump back a couple of threads…while I am certainly entertained by the butthurt over the Coke ad, there is also something troubling about it for me. I just can’t get over that far from being embarrassed about being bigots, many thousands of wingnuts (from media talking heads on down to sports radio callers) are LINING UP to have a chance to expose and rationalize their bigotry. I shouldn’t be surprised by anything they do at this point, but I am really sad that so many people are so proud of being xenophobic.

I just watched Seinfeld be an ass about ‘political correctness’. Here’s my theory. They just don’t think there are any people listening to them that aren’t white men. If anyone else hears them, they are eavesdropping and not entitled to be offended. They don’t see people of color, don’t think they need to see people of color, and resent it when one appears in front of them, unless dressed in a football uniform or other ‘appropriate’ garb.

Misogyny is more complicated because they want women around, but only if they’ll behave.

77 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:35:33pm

Need a Green Card? Just be rich and buy your way into the country!

nbcnews.com

78 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:36:16pm

re: #77 Feline Fearless Leader

Need a Green Card? Just be rich and buy your way into the country!

nbcnews.com

Switzerland has similar rules for residency…put enough money in a bank and you are entitled to live there.

79 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:36:43pm

Breitbart’s Disqus comments can now contain images, so the knuckle-draggers are posting the kinds of disgusting racist and misogynist garbage these freaks email to each other all the time. For example:

80 Kragar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:37:12pm

BOOM! Headshot.

81 Joanne  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:37:32pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

I’ll be posting the live video of the Bill Nye-Ken Ham “debate.” But I have to admit I’m not in favor of Nye doing this, even though I’m a fan. I just don’t think it’s possible for a creationist to debate honestly, and I think there’s zero chance that anyone’s mind will be changed as a result of this.

Also, Nye is a very smart person, but he’s not skilled at handling the kind of rapid fire misleading bullshit Ham is gonna spew at him.

How do you debate fact against belief? If I believe that the sky is purple, no amount of fact is going to alter that, or my ideology. I think it’s just stupid of Nye to do this.

82 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:38:02pm

re: #74 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

Just warming up for Hillary in ‘16

I still think it’s going to be a hoot when some other woman gets the Democratic nomination and they’re all ginned up for Hillary.

83 aagcobb  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:38:53pm

re: #74 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

Just warming up for Hillary in ‘16

Which is why, barring bad economic news, Hillary will be so hard to beat. How will a GOP candidate close the gender gap when the howler monkeys are flinging misogynistic poo?

84 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:39:45pm

re: #82 William Barnett-Lewis

I still think it’s going to be a hoot when some other woman else gets the nomination and they’re all ginned up for Hillary.

If that happens, an ocean of anti-Hillary slime will never get out in public.

What a shame that years of creative output by Freepers et al. would be lost forever. ////////

85 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:39:58pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

Wow, I make it a point to avoid the Breitbart site at all costs, so I only see what gets posted here. I had no idea their comments had gotten that sick. Ugh.

86 Please Proceed  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:42:32pm

re: #81 Joanne

How do you debate fact against belief? If I believe that the sky is purple, no amount of fact is going to alter that, or my ideology. I think it’s just stupid of Nye to do this.

Maybe it is, but perhaps he has a plan. I would never do this.

87 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:44:29pm

re: #66 lawhawk

Yeah, he’s incapable of arguing against the facts, statistics, or logic, so now he’s throwing out completely nonsensical ravings.

Complained about the MAG gun statistics showing that states with strong gun laws were getting overrun by guns from states with lax gun laws, so he complained about the source.

Except that the original source? The BATF. So he moved on to the next talking point, moving goal posts, and otherwise ignoring reality.

I think a strong case can be made that young earth creationism, with its extreme denial of reality, has provided a model for ‘reasoning’ in nearly all other public policy issues for the US right in recent decades.

When was the last time the right/GOP made use of real information in support of its public policy positions? It seems to me that for at least 20 years, it has just about all been smoke and mirrors, with evidence made up to suit the ideology. Colin Powell at the UN may be the most glaring example of this infection of unreason.

88 jaunte  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:50:13pm
Just more evidence that the overriding principle driving the conservative movement in 2014 is a sort of base, mean-spirited contrarianism.

Waiting for MBF fluttering about base mean-spirited possibly msnbc contrarians.

89 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:51:08pm

re: #40 Pie-onist Overlord

That Sideways Jerk?
Fuck him sideways.

He truly was an idiot. If you want to keep creationism out of US public schools, it is simply a fact that you are going to need the votes of Christians who believe in separation of church and state.

So in addition to being offensive, asserting that Christians et al. are stupid for believing in their religion is truly stupid from a cold-blooded political vote counting perspective.

90 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:52:47pm

Sadly, the recently banned were so bitter, no amount of marinade can make them fit for the grill.

91 RadicalModerate  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:52:47pm

re: #74 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

Just warming up for Hillary in ‘16

I’m still up in the air whether she will actually make another White House bid because her time as Secretary of State took a very visible physical toll. I think that the only way she does run is if during the next year or so a strong, credible candidate doesn’t emerge from the Democratic Party ranks.

92 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:53:04pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

These commenters seem nice…

/

93 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:53:30pm

re: #91 RadicalModerate

I’m still up in the air whether she will actually make another White House bid because her time as Secretary of State took a very visible physical toll. I think that the only way she does run is if during the next year or so a strong, credible candidate doesn’t emerge from the Democratic Party ranks.

Don’t kid yourself. She’s running.

94 Kragar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:53:43pm


Why give people the ability to buy food when we can cut out the middleman and send the money right to the farms?

95 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:54:05pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

Breitbart’s Disqus comments can now contain images, so the knuckle-draggers are posting the kinds of disgusting racist garbage these freaks email to each other all the time. For example:

[Embedded image]

Come to think of it, that second comment about Ms. Fluke being a “sperm receptacle” reminds me of something that, until now, had always struck me as one of the worst, most misogynistic things I’d ever heard.

There was this female cab driver that made the mistake of getting intimately involved with some of the guys. I wasn’t especially fond of her, but when they started referring to her (in Persian) as a “public toilet”, I felt really, really bad for her and really disgusted with the guys using the term. It also kinda made me wish I didn’t understand as much of the language as I did.

They didn’t even care how horribly dehumanizing what they were saying was. They thought it was funny in a spiteful way, presumably because she deserved the shaming.

Gah! Gonna stop thinking about it now because it’s pissing me off all over again.

96 Kragar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:55:44pm
97 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:56:22pm

what the lying wingnut commentater writes:

It’s also not true that, as widely asserted, the wealthiest Americans (the notorious top 1 percent) have captured all the gains in productivity and living standards of recent decades. The Congressional Budget Office examined income trends for the past three decades. It found sizable gains for all income groups.

what it actually says in the document he links to:

After-tax income for the middle three quintiles in 2010
was 40 percent higher than in 1979—equivalent to an
average annual growth rate of 1.1 percent for the period.
Households in the 81st to 99th percentiles fared some-
what better. Their after-tax income grew by 1.6 percent
in 2010, matching the average annual growth rate for the
period and raising their after-tax income to 64 percent
above its level in 1979.
The top 1 percent of households saw their after-tax
income grow by 15 percent from 2009 to 2010, greatly
exceeding increases in any other group. That group had
seen a steep decline in income between 2007 and 2009,
as a result of large declines in capital income, which left
the group’s income well below its prerecession peak. In
2010, household income for the top 1 percent was
201 percent above the mark for 1979, representing an
average annual growth rate of 3.6 percent, far ahead of
any other income group

yet again, we have the phenomenon of wingnuts posting links to documents that directly contradict what they claim they say

98 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:57:34pm

re: #93 wrenchwench

Don’t kid yourself. She’s running.

The nomination is hers for the taking if she steps up for it…but if she does I will have to give up my favorite indoor hobby, namely following politics, because it will get unbearably ugly.

The GOP will not have the strength or courage to remind its people that Hillary is a skilled politician who knows how to turn the sort of bile and misogyny and personal attacks that will be coming out to her advantage.

And they have failed in the past two elections to convince voters why their candidate was better, focusing mainly on attacking their opponents, I cannot expect that they are going to change tradition, After all, they are conservative at heart.

99 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:57:38pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

Breitbart’s Disqus comments can now contain images…..

It’s only a matter of time before they are posting pics of aborted embryos and fetuses.

100 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 1:58:21pm

re: #97 dog philosopher

what the lying wingnut commentater writes:

It’s also not true that, as widely asserted, the wealthiest Americans (the notorious top 1 percent) have captured all the gains in productivity and living standards of recent decades. The Congressional Budget Office examined income trends for the past three decades. It found sizable gains for all income groups.

what it actually says in the document he links to:

After-tax income for the middle three quintiles in 2010
was 40 percent higher than in 1979—equivalent to an
average annual growth rate of 1.1 percent for the period.
Households in the 81st to 99th percentiles fared some-
what better. Their after-tax income grew by 1.6 percent
in 2010, matching the average annual growth rate for the
period and raising their after-tax income to 64 percent
above its level in 1979.
The top 1 percent of households saw their after-tax
income grow by 15 percent from 2009 to 2010, greatly
exceeding increases in any other group. That group had
seen a steep decline in income between 2007 and 2009,
as a result of large declines in capital income, which left
the group’s income well below its prerecession peak. In
2010, household income for the top 1 percent was
201 percent above the mark for 1979, representing an
average annual growth rate of 3.6 percent, far ahead of
any other income group

yet again, we have the phenomenon of wingnuts posting links to documents that directly contradict what they claim they say

No different than how their claims from various Holy Books work out.
//

101 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:01:53pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

They are totally disgusting.

And this is just the beginning.

102 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:02:52pm

re: #90 wrenchwench

Sadly, the recently banned were so bitter, no amount of marinade can make them fit for the grill.

I actually felt a few pangs of sympathy, especially for NT because he’d been a member for so many years, but then I remember that I—rather than their own bad behavior—will most likely be blamed & hated as being the cause of their banning. That does a pretty good job of making the sympathy evaporate. //

103 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:06:18pm

re: #98 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

I suggest you start learning another hobby as I agree with WW; she’s running. I’ve seen funding activities here and there.

I know I’ve said it before, but the ‘rest of the pack’ has roughly 15-18 months to cross the first hurdle or watch it all go to Hillary. The first hurdle is enough name recognition that they follow “Hillary and” when people ask who possible Dem successors might be. There are a few who could to it, and all we have to do is see Bill Clinton’s success to know it’s possible. (I know people point to Obama, but people were talking about him after the previous convention’s speeches. Bill, on the other hand, was ‘just another governor’.)

Me, I hope it is a race. There is a strength and a weakness to a long and challenging race. The weakness is the one the GOP fears - that familiarity will breed contempt. The strength is that the continued need for voters to decide creates buy-in that continues for the big vote in November. That and the refinement of party message, and add the battle between different views. Again, nothing the current GOP views as strength.

We’ll see. Pre-silly season has begun, and time will go on.

104 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:06:25pm

Freepers aren’t impressed by Christie being at CPAC:

I thought they only invited conservatives. Of course, last year at CPAC Florida we had to endure listening to that clown Jon Huntsman.
—

So cpac likes rinos it seems?

Maybe pork porkie is our whipping boy? Let him take the media heat, he’s a tough boy, while a real conservative drums up support behind the scenes.

Hey I can dream.
—

There’s goes my plans to attend CPAC——-(I really wasn’t planning to go—but if I were, this would change my mind—LOL!)
—

Well, Christie is the most conservative RINO out there. :)

Aside from loving Muslims and their Koran, supporting illegals, having a hot temper, and not fully understanding the First Amendment, he is pro-Second Amendment - by New Jersey Standards - for what that is worth.
—

He’s a gun grabber. But he is pro-life.
—

time to disband CPAC, it’s gone clear to hell!
—

What exactly does CPAC see in that left leaning urban Jerseyite loudmouthed tub of LARD!!!?

No money, not a dime for the RNC, or the-sky-is-falling conservative groups, this year or nevermore. Much better spent on primers, powder, etc., with tangible returns guaranteed.
—

It seems the only “conservative” group that isn’t a joke is Americans for Prosperity. Support individual candidates or groups like AFP that really hold the line on those candidates they choose to support.
CPAC has become a darling of the GOP but is NOT an independent group.
—

And what, exactly, does Governor Chris ‘Krispy Kreme’ Christie know about conservatives or conservatism? He thinks they’re some kind of weird sandwich. If I was going to CPAC, I’d be insulted. But, maybe that’s what the CPAC organizers intend?

105 bratwurst  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:06:57pm

re: #102 CuriousLurker

I actually felt a few pangs of sympathy, especially for NT because he’d been a member for so many years, but then I remember that I—rather than their own bad behavior—will most likely be blamed & hated as being the cause of their banning. That does a pretty good job of making the sympathy evaporate. //

I was going to post or write to you to make sure you DIDN’T have any bad feelings about this. He was here last night BEGGING for what he ultimately got.

106 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:10:57pm

re: #102 CuriousLurker

I actually felt a few pangs of sympathy, especially for NT because he’d been a member for so many years, but then I remember that I—rather than their own bad behavior—will most likely be blamed & hated as being the cause of their banning. That does a pretty good job of making the sympathy evaporate. //

Ultimately, they were banned as part of the extensive, lengthy process of Charles losing his mind, so don’t take it too personally. /

He allowed them to hold the shovel long enough to be obvious about what they were digging.

There may be another website somewhere on the internet willing to take them in. That’s why I don’t go anywhere else.

107 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:13:04pm

I usually miss the big flame wars for being asleep in Europe when they hit…what happened? I noticed some smouldering ruins this morning when I signed on…

108 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:15:24pm

avg growth of income 1979-2010, as a text graphic

percentile group - increase in income

00-80 ****
81-99 ******
00-00 ********************

109 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:16:31pm

re: #107 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

I usually miss the big flame wars for being asleep in Europe when they hit…what happened? I noticed some smouldering ruins this morning when I signed on…

I wouldn’t really call it a big flame war. The most recent thing was mainly a bunch of obnoxious little turds dropped into CL’s Islamophobia page, but it looked more like a pattern and practice banning.

110 Kragar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:16:48pm

re: #108 dog philosopher

avg growth of income 1979-2010, as a text graphic

percentile group - increase in income

00-80 ****
81-99 ******
00-00 ********************

“Let them eat high fructose corn syrup.”

111 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:19:51pm

re: #106 wrenchwench

Ultimately, they were banned as part of the extensive, lengthy process of Charles losing his mind, so don’t take it too personally. /

LOL

There may be another website somewhere on the internet willing to take them in. That’s why I don’t go anywhere else.

Seconded.

112 urbanmeemaw  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:19:52pm

re: #3 Bulworth

Or its hooves.

113 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:20:46pm

No money, not a dime for the RNC, or the-sky-is-falling conservative groups, this year or nevermore. Much better spent on primers, powder, etc., with tangible returns guaranteed.

Damn hipsters and radical femmes so violent. //

114 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:21:14pm

re: #106 wrenchwench

Ultimately, they were banned as part of the extensive, lengthy process of Charles losing his mind…

Hey, I resemble that remark!

115 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:22:30pm

re: #107 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

I usually miss the big flame wars for being asleep in Europe when they hit…what happened? I noticed some smouldering ruins this morning when I signed on…

Yeah, what EPR said. It was mostly a reaction to me ignoring them, not flame wars. Apparently that drives some people crazy.

116 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:22:33pm

Well over at The Nation the dudesis is overwrought about the “First Amendment” rights of GG.

He can report all he wants to, but to glean the information from stolen documents in his possession is somewhat beyond his First Amendment rights, IMHO. I also think that GG’s role in all this is not strictly limited to his purported “journalistic integrity” but to his involvement with Snowden in actually stealing those documents.

He can’t convince me otherwise.

117 122 Year Old Obama  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:23:37pm

re: #116 Justanotherhuman

GG isn’t even a US resident. The First Amendment doesn’t apply to him, does it?

118 Amory Blaine  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:24:33pm

CPAC is too liberal!!

119 Kragar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:25:56pm
120 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:27:02pm

re: #117 122 Year Old Obama

GG isn’t even a US resident. The First Amendment doesn’t apply to him, does it?

Yes it does - lots and lots of court precedence for that.

It was one of the things that made the mess that I call the Gitmo laws so frustrating. Our laws apply equally [unless the subject is a Gitmo candidate].

121 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:27:24pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

You can’t debate with someone who isn’t even playing by the same rules of logic.

122 122 Year Old Obama  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:27:37pm

re: #120 kirkspencer

Ah, okay. Thanks.

123 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:28:51pm

re: #117 122 Year Old Obama

GG isn’t even a US resident. The First Amendment doesn’t apply to him, does it?

He isn’t a resident but he is a citizen. Nevertheless, I don’t think he’ll ever return to the US because he knows he’s in danger of facing serious charges.

The intelligence services know more about him that he wants people to think.

124 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:30:21pm

re: #121 Lidane

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As someone mentioned earlier, you might as well debate the existence of aliens with the guy who stands outside the supermarket.

125 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:30:39pm

re: #120 kirkspencer

Yes it does - lots and lots of court precedence for that.

It was one of the things that made the mess that I call the Gitmo laws so frustrating. Our laws apply equally [unless the subject is a Gitmo candidate].

It only applies if foreign nationals are physically in the US. GG is a citizen, so the 1st applies to him no matter where he is.

126 Kragar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:32:26pm

Atlanta News anchor destroys moronic “coke haters”

Youtube Video

127 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:33:00pm

re: #105 bratwurst

I was going to post or write to you to make sure you DIDN’T have any bad feelings about this. He was here last night BEGGING for what he ultimately got.

Thanks. ;)

The weirdest part to me is this: All LGF members have the ability to create Pages, so if you don’t like what I’m saying, why not create your own counter-Page? Behaving like a poo-flinging howler monkey on mine because I refuse to be provoked after having told you on numerous occasions that I’m no longer going to engage in discussions with you is absurd.

It also kinda defeats the whole “I’m a cool-headed, rational skeptic” image. Anyway, I’m gonna leave it alone now—what’s done is done.

128 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:33:27pm
129 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:33:44pm

Afternoon/Evening Lizardim from the cold wild north country. How go things among the lizardfolk while the fishfolk are getting buried under a steady avalanche of fluffy white water crystals?

130 Amory Blaine  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:34:54pm

Isn’t it “the people”, not “citizens”?

131 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:36:18pm

Snowgreen could become the most hated people on the planet if there was any attack on the US as a result of their leaking of those NSA documents.

132 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:36:32pm

So I just saw the Moment of Zen from last night’s Daily Show. This is beautiful:

Comedy Central

133 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:36:53pm

re: #44 Please Proceed

Do not cross the lines…

Venkman: Why?
Spengler: It would be bad.
Venkman: I’m fuzzy on the whole good/bad thing. What do you mean, “bad”?
Spengler: Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light.
Ray Stantz: Total protonic reversal.
Venkman: Right. That’s bad. Okay. All right. Important safety tip. Thanks, Egon.

134 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:37:07pm

Sounds like I missed something big.

135 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:41:35pm

Due to tens of thousands of power outages, Beebe declares state of emergency in AR.

Gov. Beebe issues a state of emergency

thv11.com

The last report I saw said 54K outages and rising.

136 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:41:38pm
137 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:42:11pm

re: #131 Justanotherhuman

Snowgreen could become the most hated people on the planet if there was any attack on the US as a result of their leaking of those NSA documents.

HURR HURRRR!!!!1!!!!

Mona you are such a freaking tool.

138 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:43:13pm

Buzzfeed.
Jesus Freaking Christ.
Is Buzzfeed the epitome of “journalism” or what?

139 Amory Blaine  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:43:15pm

I’d love to see some kindergarten teacher goad Christie into screaming at them, amidst his other predicaments.

140 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:43:19pm

re: #133 TedStriker

Venkman: Why?
Spengler: It would be bad.
Venkman: I’m fuzzy on the whole good/bad thing. What do you mean, 𠇋ad”?
Spengler: Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light.
Ray Stantz: Total protonic reversal.
Venkman: Right. That’s bad. Okay. All right. Important safety tip. Thanks, Egon.

Gozer: [after Ray orders her to re-locate] Are you a God?
[Ray looks at Peter, who nods]
Dr Ray Stantz: No.
Gozer: Then… DIE!
[Lightning flies from her fingers, driving the Ghostbusters to the edge of the roof and almost off; people below scream]
Winston Zeddemore: Ray, when someone asks you if you’re a god, you say “YES”!

141 Mattand  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:43:21pm

re: #32 Joanne

Oooh! I called this on day one. Conservatives loves them some retribution. Totally turns them on.

Yeah, I’ve been predicting the “Christie goes full metal wingnut” as well. You can’t get anywhere in the GOP these days without appealing to the loons.

I just didn’t think Christie would be doing it as a defensive maneuver to deflect from a scandal. As naive as it sounds, and as much I didn’t want him in office, part of me really thought he wouldn’t “Jersey” up the office like his predecesors.

Man, was I wrong…

142 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:43:22pm

re: #137 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURRRR!!!!1!!!!

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Mona you are such a freaking tool.

I dunno, don’t seem to have any graments to rend…

143 jaunte  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:43:25pm

Biletweet Gramentrend is in the next Hobbit movie.

144 Mattand  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:43:55pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

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This site had Creationism Wars? Really?

145 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:43:55pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

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I joined LGF at that time, it was still rather conservative but clearly on the side of science over creationism, that is one of the reasons I stuck around.

Creationism is about people who insist that they must interpret their scriptures literally and therefore must reject science and logic to be true to their beliefs.

146 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:44:13pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

It’s a pity I wasn’t around for the creationism wars here. I would have enjoyed making smoking craters out of creationist nonsense.

147 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:44:48pm

re: #144 Mattand

This site had Creationism Wars? Really?

Definitely before my time here.

I imagine there was much butthurt and flouncing.

148 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:45:39pm
149 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:45:42pm

re: #143 jaunte

Biletweet Gramentrend is in the next Hobbit movie.

Elijah Wood hasn’t had a decent movie role since LOTR. I think he would be great as Ed Snowden.

John Cusack as Greenwald.

150 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:46:00pm

re: #144 Mattand

This site had Creationism Wars? Really?

Any major dude will tell you.

151 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:47:09pm

re: #149 Pie-onist Overlord

Elijah Wood hasn’t had a decent movie role since LOTR. I think he would be great as Ed Snowden.

John Cusack as Greenwald.

Perfect casting!

152 aagcobb  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:47:32pm

Getting hammered by freezing rain here in Kentucky. Looks like the kiddos will be out of school again tomorrow. That makes at least eight days missed this Winter; probably more. I’ve lost count.

153 122 Year Old Obama  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:48:31pm

re: #140 thedopefishlives

Gozer: [after Ray orders her to re-locate] Are you a God?
[Ray looks at Peter, who nods]
Dr Ray Stantz: No.
Gozer: Then… DIE!
[Lightning flies from her fingers, driving the Ghostbusters to the edge of the roof and almost off; people below scream]
Winston Zeddemore: Ray, when someone asks you if you’re a god, you say “YES”!

I have the sudden urge to watch Ghostbusters again. Thanks!

154 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:49:00pm

re: #147 Lidane

Definitely before my time here.

I imagine there was much butthurt and flouncing.

Yeah, more or less. I was around then, but I didn’t stick around much for those threads. Don’t tell anyone, but I’m actually a creationist; however, I freely recognize that my position has no scientific basis, and quite paradoxically, I also acknowledge the reality of evolutionary mechanics and the discoveries of science. No, my head hasn’t quite asploded from cognitive dissonance.

155 Mattand  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:49:20pm

re: #150 Charles Johnson

Any major dude will tell you.

I’m actually shocked to hear that. The rep of LGF I had read at the time was basically “conservative but normal”.

156 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:50:09pm

Woot! Can’t wait for NF to release Season 2.


Hope it’s as good as the first was.

157 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:50:57pm

re: #154 thedopefishlives

Yeah, more or less. I was around then, but I didn’t stick around much for those threads. Don’t tell anyone, but I’m actually a creationist; however, I freely recognize that my position has no scientific basis, and quite paradoxically, I also acknowledge the reality of evolutionary mechanics and the discoveries of science. No, my head hasn’t quite asploded from cognitive dissonance.

Because I assume you are not a literalist in interpreting the Bible, and recognize that the question of whether evolution and science has a prime mover and a purpose lies outside of science.

That is something that all the “teach the controversy” folks cannot get their heads around - there is a controversy, but it is to be carried out somewhere other than public school science classes.

158 klys  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:51:24pm

re: #154 thedopefishlives

Yeah, more or less. I was around then, but I didn’t stick around much for those threads. Don’t tell anyone, but I’m actually a creationist; however, I freely recognize that my position has no scientific basis, and quite paradoxically, I also acknowledge the reality of evolutionary mechanics and the discoveries of science. No, my head hasn’t quite asploded from cognitive dissonance.

You also don’t advocate teaching your beliefs in school.

Those major things make it fine.

159 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:51:40pm

re: #156 Justanotherhuman

Woot! Can’t wait for NF to release Season 2.

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Hope it’s as good as the first was.

Just got addicted to that show, cannot wait for the next season…

160 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:51:51pm

re: #155 Mattand

I’m actually shocked to hear that. The rep of LGF I had read at the time was basically “conservative but normal”.

By 2007-2008, I think “conservative but normal” was already a minority position within conservatism.

161 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:52:51pm

re: #160 EPR-radar

By 2007-2008, I think “conservative but normal” was already a minority position within conservatism.

It was, which is one reason I stuck around here, one of he only places I could argue my points with conservatives without it turning into a shouting match

162 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:53:08pm

re: #155 Mattand

I remember being surprised to find out how many of the people who’d been commenting at LGF were hard core creationists, who got PISSED when they found out I wasn’t.

One of those crazy comment threads set a record - it ended up somewhere over 7000 comments before PHP choked and stopped displaying the page. I think it was one of the threads about Ben Stein’s crummy creationist movie “Expelled.”

163 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:53:32pm

But it is quite true. Nearly every thread back in those days turned into all-out war between people advocating creationism as scientific doctrine. We also had major arguments (usually with the same people) on the reality of global warming.

164 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:54:00pm

re: #159 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

Just got addicted to that show, cannot wait for the next season…

Kevin Spacey is amazing, and the architecture that is Robin Wright—well, what can I say? It’s wonderfully acted and directed.

165 A Mom Anon  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:54:52pm

Holy crap. My husband just got put on a third medicine to try and get his type 2 diabetes under control. Victoza, a non insulin injectable. For ONE month, two of those pen type syringes has a cost of almost 400 dollars, with insurance it was 60. Which is more after insurance than all his other meds combined.

But yeah, we don’t need any sort of health insurance or healthcare reform. He’d be dead without insurance covering this stuff, his blood sugar is out of control, and even with dietary changes it’s taking longer than it should.

Randi Rhodes is talking about the prescription drug addiction problem we have in this country on her show today, along with a history of how we got here. My BIL went into treatment today for a pretty serious addiction (he took 18 Xanax last night because he couldn’t sleep, and swears he’s off the opiates, sure…), for 20 days. 20 Days. That’s all his wife’s insurance will cover at a time. He kept getting injured at work(which, after the first time I still think he’s doing on purpose to get more pills…but when I say this to the family it pisses everyone off), which started the problem and now he can’t function without them. I hope he gets cleaned up, but I really have my doubts. His daughter moved out of the house and refuses to speak to him, so maybe that will motivate him. I hope so, because if not, we’re going to get “that” phone call one of these days.

We need treatment centers that aren’t a racket, lots of them. Jail isn’t treatment. Sigh. It’s all so sad.

166 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:54:59pm

re: #154 thedopefishlives

Yeah, more or less. I was around then, but I didn’t stick around much for those threads. Don’t tell anyone, but I’m actually a creationist; however, I freely recognize that my position has no scientific basis, and quite paradoxically, I also acknowledge the reality of evolutionary mechanics and the discoveries of science. No, my head hasn’t quite asploded from cognitive dissonance.

We actually need two terms here. By now, “creationist” usually has strong implications of political activism and wanting to get creationism recognized as science in public schools for deception purposes.

Were I in your position, I’d be looking for a different word to use.

167 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:55:15pm

re: #166 EPR-radar

We actually need two terms here. By now, 𠇌reationist” usually has strong implications of political activism and wanting to get creationism recognized as science in public schools for deception purposes.

Were I in your position, I𠆝 be looking for a different word to use.

I am, believe me.

168 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:55:48pm

re: #162 Charles Johnson

One of those crazy comment threads set a record - it ended up somewhere over 7000 comments before PHP choked and stopped displaying the page.

Holy crap!

169 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:55:49pm

re: #155 Mattand

I’m actually shocked to hear that. The rep of LGF I had read at the time was basically “conservative but normal”.

can’t be true

i don’t associate with normal people

170 Kragar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:56:10pm

Again with this fake Ancient Rome crap?

Values of Ancient Rome Should Not Be Ours

171 Mattand  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:56:41pm

re: #162 Charles Johnson

I remember being surprised to find out how many of the people who’d been commenting at LGF were hard core creationists, who got PISSED when they found out I wasn’t.

One of those crazy comment threads set a record - it ended up somewhere over 7000 comments before PHP choked and stopped displaying the page. I think it was one of the threads about Ben Stein’s crummy creationist movie “Expelled.”

Wow.

Speaking of Expelled: IIRC, the brain trust that made the film went belly up and had unload everything, including the actual rights to the film itself. I forget who bought it.

Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of zealots.

172 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:57:08pm

re: #170 Kragar

Again with this fake Ancient Rome crap?

Values of Ancient Rome Should Not Be Ours

It’s the Ancient Rome that exists in their heads.

173 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:57:42pm

Teh logic, it hurtz

174 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:57:54pm

re: #168 CuriousLurker

Holy crap!

We had to feed the hamsters a pretty vile mix of amphetamines to keep them going. There’s a reason we had to replace them all; the old ones were pretty much burned-out husks of skin and hair.

175 Amory Blaine  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:58:24pm

In 2007, I thought this place was full of nutjobs. LGF was shorthand for all things RWNJ.

176 Stanley Sea  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:58:47pm

re: #145 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

I joined LGF at that time, it was still rather conservative but clearly on the side of science over creationism, that is one of the reasons I stuck around.

Creationism is about people who insist that they must interpret their scriptures literally and therefore must reject science and logic to be true to their beliefs.

QFT. The majority know better but have placed themselves in an either/or situation with their religion winning.

177 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:58:53pm

re: #152 aagcobb

Getting hammered by freezing rain here in Kentucky. Looks like the kiddos will be out of school again tomorrow. That makes at least eight days missed this Winter; probably more. I’ve lost count.

crap…hate to hear that. Radar shows that it’s almost to my area.

178 aagcobb  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:59:13pm

re: #167 thedopefishlives

I am, believe me.

Though it would also be cool if you embraced the reality revealed by the scientific evidence; but its your call.

179 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:59:15pm

re: #141 Mattand

Yeah, I’ve been predicting the “Christie goes full metal wingnut” as well. You can’t get anywhere in the GOP these days without appealing to the loons.

I just didn’t think Christie would be doing it as a defensive maneuver to deflect from a scandal. As naive as it sounds, and as much I didn’t want him in office, part of me really thought he wouldn’t “Jersey” up the office like his predecesors.

Man, was I wrong…

The thing I keep reminding myself of is the US Attorney dismissals in 2006. Remember that (it appeared, may have been) US attorneys who refused to prosecute democrats regardless of validity of charges got fired. Which implied those who danced to the tune did not get fired. Enter Christie and the prosecution of Menendez. Sorry, the leaks that Menendez was being investigated with the possibility of prosecution - which never materialized.

No, when Christie became governor the only question in my mind was not if but how much jersey would there be.

180 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:59:37pm

re: #175 Amory Blaine

In 2007, I thought this place was full of nutjobs. LGF was shorthand for all things RWNJ.

Ironically, I joined in 2006 and this place was already well to the left of where I was at that time. Eventually, the Lizardim wore me down toward the liberal side.

181 klys  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:00:04pm

re: #180 thedopefishlives

Ironically, I joined in 2006 and this place was already well to the left of where I was at that time. Eventually, the Lizardim wore me down toward the liberal side.

This is because you ascribe to actual, rational thought.

182 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:00:58pm

Before he went completely off the rails, Ludwig VQ contributed a bunch of science and common sense to the Creation/Evolution threads.

183 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:00:58pm

Apes vs. Soil

184 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:01:23pm

re: #178 aagcobb

Though it would also be cool if you embraced the reality revealed by the scientific evidence; but its your call.

Well, I mentioned that I believe in the scientific reality. My belief system is complex, mainly because it’s constantly changing; I actually try to compromise my theology to be compatible with the universe, rather than forcing the universe to conform to my theology. As a result, at any given moment I may describe myself more as a “creationist” or as a “theistic evolutionist”.

185 Just never mind.  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:02:20pm

re: #150 Charles Johnson

Any major dude will tell you.

Stinky Beaumont swung the ban wrench with force!
(Um, and I’m not a dude!)

186 Amory Blaine  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:02:36pm

By 2007, many of the left wing places I respected were off the rails.

187 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:04:40pm

re: #186 Amory Blaine

By 2007, many of the left wing places I respected were off the rails.

Seven years of Dubya would be enough to drive many off the rails. I’ve had my own brushes with Bush Derangement Syndrome.

Now I try to avoid inaccurate charges against W because they distract from the real issues (which really were appalling).

188 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:04:50pm

re: #170 Kragar

Again with this fake Ancient Rome crap?

Values of Ancient Rome Should Not Be Ours

Oh FFS. The whole purpose of the pseudo-Pauline Pastoral Epistles was to force fit Roman mores & ethics over top of the message preached by Christ and by Paul. Idiots.

189 Just never mind.  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:05:02pm

re: #182 Pie-onist Overlord

Before he went completely off the rails, Ludwig VQ contributed a bunch of science and common sense to the Creation/Evolution threads.

I do miss LVQ! The rational one….

190 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:06:05pm
191 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:08:20pm

re: #180 thedopefishlives

Ironically, I joined in 2006 and this place was already well to the left of where I was at that time. Eventually, the Lizardim wore me down toward the liberal side.

Heck, even DF is more liberal now than when I joined because, in the end, he tries to think and reason things through - and importantly he knows better than most when he’s just kneejerking.

///We’ll make a good socialist out of him yet… ///

192 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:08:56pm

re: #189 Just never mind.

I do miss LVQ! The rational one….

Unfortunately, the irrational one was really intolerable.

193 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:09:10pm

re: #186 Amory Blaine

By 2007, many of the left wing places I respected were off the rails.

To be fair, many of the right-wing places I had just started getting into at that time started veering sharply toward the right-hand cliff as well. The whole phase prior to, and immediately following, Obama’s election was really weird all around in the political blogosphere.

194 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:09:22pm

I was left of center before it was cool.

195 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:09:27pm

re: #175 Amory Blaine

In 2007, I thought this place was full of nutjobs. LGF was shorthand for all things RWNJ.

Search engines brought me to LGF a couple of times in the early 2000’s, IIRC when I was searching about things related to Islam. Let’s just say that I threw it in reverse and backed out within a matter of seconds.

I don’t remember how/when I got wind of the change, but by April 2010 (after lurking & observing for a few months) I felt comfortable enough as a liberal Muslim to walk in and introduce myself. It wasn’t always perfectly smooth sailing, but what in life is?

I’ve never regretted coming here. I’ve learned a LOT and made some good friends that I communicate with offline—atheist ones even. Go figure, heh.

196 Mattand  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:10:16pm

re: #186 Amory Blaine

By 2007, many of the left wing places I respected were off the rails.

I bailed on Raw Story and Crooks & Liars. Way too much tin foil and alt med.

And as much as I hate Magic Balance Fairy-ing, there were quite a few commenters who could go toe-to-toe with your average Freeper or Fox Nation nitwit in the derp department.

197 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:10:24pm

re: #180 thedopefishlives

Ironically, I joined in 2006 and this place was already well to the left of where I was at that time. Eventually, the Lizardim wore me down toward the liberal side.

O_o … *thud*

198 Amory Blaine  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:11:12pm

re: #195 CuriousLurker

2010 for me too. I remember a little rough and tumble with the morning crew then.

199 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:11:40pm

re: #193 thedopefishlives

To be fair, many of the right-wing places I had just started getting into at that time started veering sharply toward the right-hand cliff as well. The whole phase prior to, and immediately following, Obama’s election was really weird all around in the political blogosphere.

At the time, I honestly didn’t think Obama could win (although I certainly voted (D) in the general election).

Eight years of a GOP cluster**** under Dubya vs. the entrenched racism of a big chunk of the US electorate. Which would be the bigger factor?

200 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:12:10pm

re: #191 William Barnett-Lewis

Heck, even DF is more liberal now than when I joined because, in the end, he tries to think and reason things through - and importantly he knows better than most when he’s just kneejerking.

///We’ll make a good socialist out of him yet… ///

He’s SO gonna ding you for that, LOL.

201 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:12:14pm

re: #197 CuriousLurker

O_o … *thud*

You do remember that I was raised as a right-wing nutjob, right? 2006, besides being the year I joined LGF, is also notable as the year I graduated college. My 4 years outside the religious bubble really swung my perspective toward the center.

202 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:12:27pm

re: #165 A Mom Anon

I feel your pain. My wife takes victoza and we are currently without insurance. I recently switched jobs and must wait 6 months before my benefits kick in.

203 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:12:37pm

re: #193 thedopefishlives

To be fair, many of the right-wing places I had just started getting into at that time started veering sharply toward the right-hand cliff as well. The whole phase prior to, and immediately following, Obama’s election was really weird all around in the political blogosphere.

Most of RW blogosphere went nuts when President Obama was elected, and completely went off the rails when he was re-elected. They totally lost it after the 2012 election.

204 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:12:56pm

re: #198 Amory Blaine

2010 for me too. I remember a little rough and tumble with the morning crew then.

Yeah, Mandy was still around then, and a few others.

205 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:14:05pm

re: #194 Dr. Matt

I was left of center before it was cool.

Youtube Video

206 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:14:19pm

re: #196 Mattand

I bailed on Raw Story and Crooks & Liars. Way too much tin foil and alt med.
.

I bailed on C&L when they became anti-Obama after Hillary lost the primary. C&L spent 8 years going after Bush/the GOP and they would have given it away to McCain simply because their candidate didn’t win the primary. Nicole Belle even temporarily banned me because I was fighting back against their smears and bashing of Obama.

207 abolitionist  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:14:48pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

About 6 yr ago, a book review:
Feb 14, 2008
Ken Ham links Darwin with racism and genocide

A new book, Darwin’s Plantation: Evolution’s Racist Roots, attempts to connect Darwinian theory with Nazi racial beliefs and the policies of Josef Stalin. The book was co-authored by Ken Ham, founder of the the Creationist Museum in Kentucky, in partnership with Charles Ware, president of Crossroads Bible College in Indianapolis.
[snip]
Ham’s views don’t instill confidence when it comes to his take on Darwin. His claim that Darwin did more than any other person to “popularize” racism is untrue. In fact Darwin wrote in negative terms about the slavery he encountered during his voyages. His views were egalitarian by the standards of the day.

I’ve seen little news in recent months about the fate of Ham’s Baghdad Creationist Museum venture. Guessing it was a bust.

Over a decade ago, I had the misfortune of accepting an invite from a friend to a local AnswersInGenesis fundraiser for which two of the speakers were Ken Ham and David Barton.

Just shoot me, Huckabee. /Can I trademark that?

208 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:14:48pm

re: #203 Dr Lizardo

Most of RW blogosphere went nuts when President Obama was elected, and completely went off the rails when he was re-elected. They totally lost it after the 2012 election.

I had lurked here for many years before finally catching an open registration window. I’m amused that my signup date is election day, 2012.

209 Mattand  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:15:03pm

Heckuva job there, Mr. Bezos.

WaPo Rebuts Its Own Columnist On Claim That Obamacare Is Killing Jobs

Right about now, I’d be thinking about using one of my experimental drones and taking out the editorial board.

What an embarrassment. At least The Daily Show and The Colbert Report don’t have to work too hard tonight.

210 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:16:34pm

re: #204 CuriousLurker

Yeah, Mandy was still around then, and a few others.

Mandy can go … well, you know.

I do miss Cato though.

211 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:17:01pm

re: #209 Mattand

Heckuva job there, Mr. Bezos.

WaPo Rebuts Its Own Columnist On Claim That Obamacare Is Killing Jobs

Right about now, I’d be thinking about using one of my experimental drones and taking out the editorial board.

What an embarrassment. At least The Daily Show and The Colbert Report don’t have to work too hard tonight.

I wondered which columnist, then I saw it was Rubin, and just rolled my eyes.

212 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:17:02pm

re: #207 abolitionist

About 6 yr ago, a book review:
Feb 14, 2008
Ken Ham links Darwin with racism and genocide

I’ve seen little news in recent months about the fate of Ham’s Baghdad Creationist Museum venture. Guessing it was a bust.

Over a decade ago, I had the misfortune of accepting an invite from a friend to a local AnswersInGenisis fundraiser for which two of the speakers were Ken Ham and David Barton.

Just shoot me, Huckabee. /Can I trademark that?

I wonder if Ken Ham and the “Turkish gent” (we all know who I mean) work together? To the best of my knowledge, they work independently, though their ideas are largely similar, religious differences aside.

213 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:17:09pm

re: #204 CuriousLurker

Yeah, Mandy was still around then, and a few others.

I actually halfway got along with Mandy. It was just a matter of knowing what not to say. Namely, anything of substance. I was not at all surprised when she came unglued and got the stick.

214 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:17:37pm

re: #209 Mattand

Heckuva job there, Mr. Bezos.

WaPo Rebuts Its Own Columnist On Claim That Obamacare Is Killing Jobs

Right about now, I’d be thinking about using one of my experimental drones and taking out the editorial board.

What an embarrassment. At least The Daily Show and The Colbert Report don’t have to work too hard tonight.

Rubin always gets things wrong.

215 Mattand  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:17:59pm

re: #211 Targetpractice

I wondered which columnist, then I saw it was Rubin, and just rolled my eyes.

LOL, I thought Rubin right off the bat!

216 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:18:12pm

re: #214 Justanotherhuman

Rubin always gets things wrong.

As opposed to other RW columnists, I suppose. ///

217 Mattand  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:19:25pm

Right now, Jeff Bezos is furiously looking for a receipt and a return policy.

218 Kragar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:21:37pm

I went from thinking I had a lot in common with a lot of the old posters to wondering who in the hell these insane people were. It made me take a serious look at what my beliefs were and how I might have acted in the past and decide to make changes.

AKA become a dirty communist traitor.

219 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:22:55pm

re: #218 Kragar

I went from thinking I had a lot in common with a lot of the old posters to wondering who in the hell these insane people were. It made me take a serious look at what my beliefs were and how I might have acted in the past and decide to make changes.

AKA become a dirty communist traitor.

You and me both, brother…

220 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:24:57pm

re: #213 thedopefishlives

I actually halfway got along with Mandy. It was just a matter of knowing what not to say. Namely, anything of substance. I was not at all surprised when she came unglued and got the stick.

She got banned not too many months after I registered—maybe 2 or 3. I never had any direct altercations with her, but from my lurking I was familiar with her loathing of Islam and the avatar photos she was asked to remove, etc. so I mostly just tried to avoid her.

There were a few other I tried to be civil to who either brushed me off or ignored me, so I just avoided them also and focused on those I had something in common with.

221 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:25:28pm

re: #170 Kragar

Again with this fake Ancient Rome crap?

Values of Ancient Rome Should Not Be Ours

Just like in ancient Rome, where the phrase “panem et circenses” (bread and circus”) was used as a rallying cry to win public approval by diversion or distraction and away from public virtue, so today we are seeing entertainment as the modern form of appeasement.

…

‘Bread and Circus’ is being offered daily in the coliseum of entertainment, and unfortunately, many are being wooed away from true virtue as a result. Let us remember that Rome’s history reminds us that while the masses were temporarily satisfied by some crumbs and a good show, that great empire lays waste today.

reminds me of those primary school teacher’s collections of spectacularly ignorant test answers…

222 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:26:21pm

re: #194 Dr. Matt

I was left of center before it was cool.

I was left of center before it was groovy.

223 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:27:15pm

re: #210 William Barnett-Lewis

Mandy can go … well, you know.

I do miss Cato though.

Me too, kinda. I was never 100% comfortable with him for several reasons, one of them being that he could get mean when he was drinking, but he was really intelligent and knowledgeable about a wide range of subjects—that I DO miss.

224 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:27:27pm

re: #222 Decatur Deb

I was left of center before it was groovy.

You invented groovy.

225 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:28:13pm

Looks like PSH may have blown $1200 on heroin before he OD’d.

Authorities Trace Last Hours of Philip Seymour Hoffman

blogs.wsj.com

If O’Donnell thought Hoffman was high when she had contact with him twice on Sat, why would she have arranged for him to have the kids on Sunday?

“Ms. O’Donnell told police that she saw the actor on the street outside his Bethune Street apartment around 2 p.m. and spoke with him by phone around 8 p.m., and both times he appeared to be under the influence of drugs, the official said.”

226 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:29:17pm

re: #208 EPR-radar

I had lurked here for many years before finally catching an open registration window. I’m amused that my signup date is election day, 2012.

I was also a lurker for many years. Took me a very long time to catch an open registration window.

227 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:29:35pm

re: #208 EPR-radar

I had lurked here for many years before finally catching an open registration window. I’m amused that my signup date is election day, 2012.

Mine is election day, 2004. (I didn’t comment until 2005, though.)

228 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:30:47pm

hoffman

i miss him already. really enjoyed him in ripley and the master, two very excellent films imho

229 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:31:02pm

re: #202 Eclectic Cyborg

I feel your pain. My wife takes victoza and we are currently without insurance. I recently switched jobs and must wait 6 months before my benefits kick in.

Then you should be eligible for ACA in the meantime.

230 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:31:37pm

It seems there is an increased interest in studies of partisanship and polarization lately.
Why you shouldn’t blame polarization on partisan news

the polarizing effects of both partisan and mainstream news shows were driven by the reactions of people who normally do not tune into news programs (unless instructed to do so by political scientists, that is). In fact, partisan news viewers are more polarized than mainstream news viewers and entertainment program viewers to begin with. People tune into partisan news because they are partisans. Even without partisan news media, these individuals would likely interpret the world through a partisan lens. Those who are most likely to be polarized by exposure to news — mainstream or partisan — tend to watch something else.

The rise of partisan news media is likely a symptom, not a cause, of elite polarization. Partisan media may reinforce partisan strife, but we should look elsewhere for the ultimate cause.

231 abolitionist  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:31:48pm

re: #212 Dr Lizardo

I wonder if Ken Ham and the “Turkish gent” (we all know who I mean) work together? To the best of my knowledge, they work independently, though their ideas are largely similar, religious differences aside.

Cobern: Creationism in Turkey is promoted by Harun Yahya. forbes.com

I’ve paid little attention to creationism in Turkey, but became aware of it thru LGF.

232 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:31:51pm

The sleet from hell haz arrived here…

233 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:31:52pm

re: #224 Dr. Matt

You invented groovy.

Actually just did some Bondo and paint over hep.

234 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:31:55pm

re: #228 dog philosopher

hoffman

i miss him already. really enjoyed him in ripley and the master, two very excellent films imho

Yes, it’s a real shame. A great actor, IMHO.

235 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:33:18pm

re: #226 Backwoods_Sleuth

I was also a lurker for many years. Took me a very long time to catch an open registration window.

I think I lurked for all of a week. I found LGF in the runup to the 5-year anniversary of 9/11.

236 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:34:21pm

It was really a shock to learn just how many of the old posters were in fact creationists. It was the “conservative normal” by 2007. It was also an old issue for me, having been involved in Earth science most of my life and witnessed the revival (there is no other word for it) of creationism among media based fundamentalists in the 1970s. I was used to clashing with creo-fools, but I really had no idea just how prevalent their ideas had become on the conservative end of the political spectrum.
Beyond that, I had just returned from Iraq about the time the “big change” really started here at LGF. Among other things, I brought with me the message that not all Muslims were cutthroats and terrorists. It was not always well received, but I saw that Charles was starting to align with me on this issue as well. My personal experience and transition were serendipitously parallel to what was going on here. I’m in my 13th year of posting here. It has been quite a journey and I hope to continue it indefinitely.

237 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:35:15pm

Here’s another book to add to my reading list.
Changing Minds or Changing Channels?

Partisan News in an Age of Choice

Through a series of innovative experiments, Kevin Arceneaux and Martin Johnson show that such criticism is unfounded. Americans who watch cable news are already polarized, and their exposure to partisan programming of their choice has little influence on their political positions. In fact, the opposite is true: viewers become more polarized when forced to watch programming that opposes their beliefs. A much more troubling consequence of the ever-expanding media environment, the authors show, is that it has allowed people to tune out the news: the four top-rated partisan news programs draw a mere three percent of the total number of people watching television.

Overturning much of the conventional wisdom, Changing Minds or Changing Channels? demonstrate that the strong effects of media exposure found in past research are simply not applicable in today’s more saturated media landscape.

238 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:35:54pm

re: #218 Kragar

I went from thinking I had a lot in common with a lot of the old posters to wondering who in the hell these insane people were. It made me take a serious look at what my beliefs were and how I might have acted in the past and decide to make changes.

AKA become a dirty communist traitor.

re: #219 TedStriker

You and me both, brother…

Kudos to both of you for having heart. I’m terribly fond of this scrappy bunch of reptiles who’ve survived all the battles.

LGF group hug! Okay, just kidding—you can wipe the horrified looks off your faces and stop cringing now. LOL

239 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:36:54pm

re: #238 CuriousLurker

Kudos to both of you for having heart. I’m terribly fond of this scrappy bunch of reptiles who’ve survived all the battles.

>LGF group hug! Okay, just kidding—you can wipe the horrified looks off your faces and stop cringing now. LOL

Most of the veterans here have at least one suit of asbestos scales hanging in their lizard closets. I remember I used to admonish our members almost every day to remember to put theirs on before engaging in flamewars.

240 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:36:54pm

Too bad it doesn’t hit GG permanently.

Electricity Fails in Parts of 11 Brazilian States

abcnews.go.com

“Officials said the power failure was caused by a short circuit in a transmission line in the state of Tocantins, but they did not yet know what caused that line to fail.

“The failure hit southeastern states and parts of Brazil’s two biggest cities, Sao Paulo and Rio de Janeiro.

“Power outages used to be more frequent in Brazil and energy rationing was imposed for a time a decade ago. Improvements in infrastructure have been made in the energy sector, but major power outages still happen a few times a year.”

241 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:37:04pm
viewers become more polarized when forced to watch programming that opposes their beliefs. A much more troubling consequence of the ever-expanding media environment, the authors show, is that it has allowed people to tune out the news

I never really thought of that before but it does make sense.

242 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:37:07pm

re: #230 Killgore Trout

It seems there is an increased interest in studies of partisanship and polarization lately.
Why you shouldn’t blame polarization on partisan news

partisan polarization people political programs

too alliterative

243 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:37:22pm

I was so full of Derp back in the day…

244 Kragar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:37:26pm

re: #226 Backwoods_Sleuth

I was also a lurker for many years. Took me a very long time to catch an open registration window.

BAH! I remember coming in one day and wondering “Registration? This wasn’t around yesterday!”

Additionally, remove yourself from the grassy area surrounding my domicile.

245 No Country For Old Haters  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:37:40pm

re: #67 Backwoods_Sleuth

246 klys  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:38:26pm

I’ll take my new Lizard ball and sit in the corner.

///

247 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:38:55pm

re: #231 abolitionist

Cobern: Creationism in Turkey is promoted by Harun Yahya. forbes.com

I’ve paid little attention to creationism in Turkey, but became aware of it thru LGF.

He’s certainly the biggest promoter of it in the Islamic world, I’d say. He rejects Young Earth Creationism, viewing it as “bizarre” or “outlandish”, and while I wouldn’t call him a member of the “Intelligent Design” school, he’s sort of in his own place in the Creationist spectrum.

248 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:39:35pm

re: #240 Justanotherhuman

Too bad it doesn’t hit GG permanently.

Electricity Fails in Parts of 11 Brazilian States

abcnews.go.com

“Officials said the power failure was caused by a short circuit in a transmission line in the state of Tocantins, but they did not yet know what caused that line to fail.

“The failure hit southeastern states and parts of Brazil’s two biggest cities, Sao Paulo and Rio de Janeiro.

“Power outages used to be more frequent in Brazil and energy rationing was imposed for a time a decade ago. Improvements in infrastructure have been made in the energy sector, but major power outages still happen a few times a year.”

GG has only to harness his burning ego to a steam turbine and he can power his whole gated community by himself.

249 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:40:11pm

One significant change here is going from an informal ban on comments about abortion because it was too antagonistic, to commenting, Paging, and front page posts about abortion all day and all night.

Apparently those who defended creationism and denied climate change just couldn’t behave themselves when abortion came up.

Thanks for fixing it, Charles. I know it wasn’t easy.

250 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:40:40pm

Syria holding onto chemical weapons?

Syria will miss a second deadline to turn over its chemical weapons components for destruction Wednesday amid a British report that Bashar Assad’s regime is stockpiling the weaponry for use in case the country is partitioned.
…
A report in the Times of London cited unnamed Russian and Israeli sources saying Syria is working with Iran and North Korea to upgrade its stockpile to use an “insurance policy” or deterrent to defend Assad’s Alawite homeland in northwestern Syria from being overrun by regime opponents.

Emanuele Ottolenghi, an analyst at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, said the report has not been confirmed but that it wouldn’t be a surprise because such behavior “is in character” for the Assad regime.

Bummer.

251 Snarknado!  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:41:02pm

re: #235 thedopefishlives

I think I lurked for all of a week. I found LGF in the runup to the 5-year anniversary of 9/11.

I was an occasional lurker here during the “wingnut” years. I kept coming back because, although the posters were mostly nuts without an a screw to anchor them, Charles himself voiced arguments from that side of the aisle coherently (almost unique among the right wing) — and I do have a bad habit of examining both sides. I wouldn’t have wanted to subscribe then, though.

After the Great Change, I lurked until membership opened one day, then subscribed. I’m not looking back.

252 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:41:08pm

re: #242 dog philosopher

partisan polarization people political programs

too alliterative

Can’t say it with a mouth full of crackers.

253 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:41:55pm

re: #236 Shiplord Kirel

It was really a shock to learn just how many of the old posters were in fact creationists. It was the “conservative normal” by 2007. It was also an old issue for me, having been involved in Earth science most of my life and witnessed the revival (there is no other word for it) of creationism among media based fundamentalists in the 1970s. I was used to clashing with creo-fools, but I really had no idea just how prevalent their ideas had become on the conservative end of the political spectrum.
Beyond that, I had just returned from Iraq about the time the “big change” really started here at LGF. Among other things, I brought with me the message that not all Muslims were cutthroats and terrorists. It was not always well received, but I saw that Charles was starting to align with me on this issue as well. My personal experience and transition were serendipitously parallel to what was going on here. I’m in my 13th year of posting here. It has been quite a journey and I hope to continue it indefinitely.

I’d love to see the results of real research on the question of precisely how creationism got embedded into movement conservatism. These days, it is a pretty reliable tribal identifier for conservatives, but that wasn’t always the case. I suspect (but can’t prove) that conservatives made a deliberate effort to include religious cranks into their coalition post Roe v. Wade, and creationism effectively came along for the ride.

254 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:42:46pm

re: #243 Pie-onist Overlord

I was so full of Derp back in the day…

So were many of us. Those of us who remain were man/woman/lizard enough to outgrow it. Those of us who didn’t, well, you can see them derping over at one of the stalker sites if you really feel like it.

255 Kragar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:42:49pm

They indicted the motherfucker!

256 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:44:34pm
Some analysts say the delays could be related to more mundane motivations.

The Syrian government could be “trying to slow roll” the process in order to obtain more equipment that can be used for military purposes after it’s over, said Daryl Kimball, executive director of the Arms Control Association, which promotes arms-control agreements.

It may also be seeking to keep equipment that would be manufactured in Syria, to benefit the regime’s political allies in tough economic times, Kimball said.

“Somebody has to have a contract to build it,” he said.

257 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:47:42pm

re: #251 Snarknado!

I was an occasional lurker here during the “wingnut”years. I kept coming back because, although the posters were mostly nuts without an a screw to anchor them, Charles himself voiced that arguments from that side of the aisle coherently (almost unique among the right wing) — and I do have a bad habit of examining both sides. I wouldn’t have wanted to subscribe then, though.

After the Great Change, I lurked until membership opened one day, then subscribed. I’m not looking back.

Out of the handful of right-wing political blogs I visited, you can tell where LGF fell on the scale: Ace of Spades, The Jawa Report, Robert Spencer, the occasional blip over to Hot Air. The thing I noticed about Charles’s place is that he was very careful about his rhetoric; even the anti-Muslim-extremist Charles was careful to delineate that he was not a blanket anti-Muslim. As everyone here no doubt knows full well, the rest of them turned out to actually be in that latter category. Intolerance just plain doesn’t sit well with me; never has, even in my full-on wingnut derping days. That’s why I stayed here and never even joined up at the others.

258 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:49:02pm

The refugee situation in Syria is really awful, but for those who are inside the country, it’s even worse.

‘People have been trapped for 185 days - they are eating weeds’

nzherald.co.nz

“Bread is a dream for children inside Yarmouk Camp,” says Fuad, a Syrian Palestinian music teacher who tries to help bring food to the 20,000 people besieged inside Yarmouk.

“Standing by a barrier of sand and rubble that blocks an entrance to the camp in south Damascus, he adds that “people have been trapped in there for 185 days and are sick because they are eating weeds we used to feed our animals”.

“Syria is dotted with sieges and blockades of cities, towns and districts, which in some cases are producing mass starvation.”

259 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:49:31pm

Some metrics on the religious geography of the country:

Mississippi Most Religious State, Vermont Least Religious

gallup.com

260 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:50:57pm

re: #258 Justanotherhuman

The refugee situation in Syria is really awful, but for those who are inside the country, it’s even worse.

‘People have been trapped for 185 days - they are eating weeds’

nzherald.co.nz

“Bread is a dream for children inside Yarmouk Camp,” says Fuad, a Syrian Palestinian music teacher who tries to help bring food to the 20,000 people besieged inside Yarmouk.

“Standing by a barrier of sand and rubble that blocks an entrance to the camp in south Damascus, he adds that “people have been trapped in there for 185 days and are sick because they are eating weeds we used to feed our animals”.

“Syria is dotted with sieges and blockades of cities, towns and districts, which in some cases are producing mass starvation.”

…and it looks like it’s going to get much worse. If Assad decides to crack down we ain’t seen nothing yet.

261 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:53:58pm

פראפעסור רות וויססע:

!דו זייגסט

Professor Ruth Wisse:

You suck!

262 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:54:03pm

re: #254 thedopefishlives

So were many of us. Those of us who remain were man/woman/lizard enough to outgrow it. Those of us who didn’t, well, you can see them derping over at one of the stalker sites if you really feel like it.

Gus told me once that back in the day he was okay with the idea of Muslim internment, and I’ve occasionally gone into the archives looking for info, but I try not to read the comments. I know pretty much all the lizards who are still around have changed, but it still pains me to read some things that were written by people I like & respect now.

Knowing that the most egregious comments were nuked only makes reading old comments even more trepidatious. It’s like, “Sheesh, and this isn’t even the really bad stuff…”

263 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:56:51pm

THIS WINS ALL TEH GOLD MEDALS!!!
Youtube Video

264 Kragar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:57:13pm

re: #262 CuriousLurker

Gus told me once that back in the day he was okay with the idea of Muslim internment, and I’ve occasionally gone into the archives looking for info, but I try not to read the comments. I know pretty much all the lizards who are still around have changed, but it still pains me to read some things that were written by people I like & respect now.

Knowing that the most egregious comments were nuked only makes reading old comments even more trepidatious. It’s like, “Sheesh, and this isn’t even the really bad stuff…”

I fully admit I was a complete jackass back in the day when I let my temper get the better of me. Then I realized “Wait, you mean literally and not rhetorically?”

265 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:57:56pm

re: #264 Kragar

I fully admit I was a complete jackass back in the day when I let my temper get the better of me. Then I realized “Wait, you mean literally and not rhetorically?”

Wait, you mean you’re not a complete jackass?///

266 Gus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:58:00pm

3 minutes before the land of make believe debate.

267 Gus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:58:15pm

Youtube Video

268 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:58:47pm

re: #266 Gus

3 minutes before the land of make believe debate.

Damn, speak of the devil. //

269 Gus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:58:56pm
270 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:59:09pm

re: #261 Pie-onist Overlord

פראפעסור רות וויססע:

!דו זייגסט

Professor Ruth Wisse:

You suck!

Ruth Wisse: The Dark Side of the War on ‘the One Percent’
Stoking class envy is a step in a familiar, dangerous and highly incendiary process.

shorter wisse: you should never criticize rich people, because nazis

271 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:59:38pm

re: #264 Kragar

I fully admit I was a complete jackass back in the day when I let my temper get the better of me. Then I realized “Wait, you mean literally and not rhetorically?”

My worst derping was support of torture post 9/11. Fortunately that was not done on the internet, so there is no embarrassing permanent record.

272 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:59:41pm

I wandered in during the run-up to the 2008 election. At that time I generally avoided political blogs and read science and some other miscellaneous stuff. An occasional dip into DailyKos, but it was pretty shrill and non-logical at times and you had to pick carefully what to read. Followed a link from there to here one day and then ended up lurking until I hit an open registration.

I like the community and thus I stayed. Miss a number of no-longer-here comment makers. Don’t miss a number of others. And had a sort of mental list of who I was willing or unwilling to engage with on the various subjects.

And in my discussions with non-Lizard blog readers I tell them that the primary bias of this site is “anti-idiot” instead of left-right or GOP-Democrat, etc etc.

273 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:00:11pm

re: #262 CuriousLurker

Gus told me once that back in the day he was okay with the idea of Muslim internment, and I’ve occasionally gone into the archives looking for info, but I try not to read the comments. I know pretty much all the lizards who are still around have changed, but it still pains me to read some things that were written by people I like & respect now.

Knowing that the most egregious comments were nuked only makes reading old comments even more trepidatious. It’s like, “Sheesh, and this isn’t even the really bad stuff…”

I had some dead time between college semesters and went to the library and read all the periodicals for the week and month after Pearl Harbor. Perspective.

274 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:00:23pm

re: #271 EPR-radar

My worst derping was support of torture post 9/11. Fortunately that was not done on the internet, so there is no embarrassing permanent record.

There is now… //

275 Gus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:00:37pm

God help us.

//

276 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:01:44pm

re: #275 Gus

God help us.

//

Sorry, He’s already booked for the night. Something about a Gish gallop of stupid to unload.

277 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:01:54pm

OK. OK. The real reason I am here is because you put up with me posting cat pictures.

278 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:02:12pm

Ladeeeeez and Gentlemens! Step right up and witness the debate between science and a bunch of folks who think “The Flintstones” was a documentary!

279 Kragar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:02:18pm

re: #265 thedopefishlives

Wait, you mean you’re not a complete jackass?///

Well, not for the same team as before.

280 klys  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:03:01pm

re: #277 Feline Fearless Leader

OK. OK. The real reason I am here is because you put up with me posting cat pictures.

281 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:03:20pm

re: #276 thedopefishlives

Sorry, He’s already booked for the night. Something about a Gish gallop of stupid to unload.

My kind of God would be preparing a giant Crocoduck to swallow Ken Ham whole on the air.

Seeing that might even make a creationist out of me.

282 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:03:36pm

re: #277 Feline Fearless Leader

OK. OK. The real reason I am here is because you put up with me posting cat pictures.

There used to be a lot more dog lovers on this blog. Coincidence? I THINK NOT!

283 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:04:21pm

re: #280 klys

[Embedded image]

I’m cute. Pet me!

284 Gus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:04:59pm

:D My Tweet made top photo.

twitter.com

285 Gus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:05:54pm

Already with the logical fallacies.

286 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:05:54pm

Well, they finally got around to arresting that guy…

Florida crime lab analyst arrested on drug charges

washingtonpost.com

“Graves began working for the department in 2006 and has handled about 2,600 cases, most of which are drug related. The compromised cases could possibly affect 80 law enforcement agencies in 35 counties that had cases worked on by Graves.

“The department is using agents from each of its offices to review all the cases handled by the chemist and has contacted state attorneys and law enforcement agencies across the state that have pending cases that could be compromised.

“Prosecutors and defense attorneys reached Monday agreed that the thefts could create massive problems for courts and law enforcement agencies throughout Florida and could result in some convictions being thrown out and sentences reduced.”

287 klys  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:05:58pm

re: #283 Feline Fearless Leader

I’m cute. Pet me!

I am not at home so all my cute kitties are far away. :(

288 jaunte  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:06:11pm

Ham right out of the box with “…Secularists hijacking the word science…”

289 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:06:31pm

re: #285 Gus

Already with the logical fallacies.

Expect to hear nothing but.

290 jaunte  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:06:58pm

First, redefine knowledge.

291 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:07:25pm

re: #287 klys

I am not at home so all my cute kitties are far away. :(

Summary of human emotions:

HAPPY: Kittehs!

SAD: No kittehs.

FEAR: Killer Kittehs!?!

ANGER: U drank the last cup of coffee!

292 klys  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:08:04pm

re: #291 Feline Fearless Leader

Youtube Video

293 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:08:13pm

re: #281 EPR-radar

My kind of God would be preparing a giant Crocoduck to swallow Ken Ham whole on the air.

Seeing that might even make a creationist out of me.

I double-dog-dare you to do it, God!

///

294 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 4:08:32pm

Not watching this nonsense. Bill Nye should know better. You can’t debate people who don’t even accept the simplest scientific principles.


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