Ted Nugent: “Someone Extracted the GOP’s Scrotum With a Rusty Shiv”

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This week, Ted Nugent is thinking about testicles: Ted Nugent Thinks Someone Has Castrated the GOP.

BigMedia.org first surfaced Nugent’s comments after he was asked by Denver morning talk-radio host Peter Boyles on Monday morning, “What happened to the Republican Party?”

“Someone extracted their scrotum with a rusty shiv,” Nugent answered on Boyles’ KNUS 710-AM talk show. “They have no balls. I don’t know where this ‘Let’s be Mr. Rogers with a Lawrence Welk soundtrack tie adjusting’ mantra came from, but my god!,” Nugent exclaimed.

“If there’s a life-support system attached to the GOP, it’s flat-lining,” he added.

An excited Nugent also went on to say that “the country is being flushed down the toilet, certainly for the last fifteen or twenty years” and slammed the American media, saying the “media in this country is basically Joseph Goebbels’ propaganda ministry.”

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491 comments
1 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:13:22pm

Yes, the GOP has no balls. The Tea Party cut them off!

2 Gus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:13:44pm

How does one extract a scrotum?

3 jaunte  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:13:48pm

Maybe he could emcee the Texas Lt. Governor Pageant.

4 Mattand  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:15:07pm

LOL, that sounds like a TV show from The Simpsons or Idiocracy:

This week on “Ted Nugent Thinks About Testicles”, Ted and special guest Larry Craig take a wide stance and have a ball!

5 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:15:13pm

When is he going to die or get arrested?

6 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:15:19pm
7 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:15:31pm

re: #2 Gus

How does one extract a scrotum?

Ask Ken Ham. He knows about biology and stuff.

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8 Mattand  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:15:49pm

re: #2 Gus

How does one extract a scrotum?

With a melon baller.

9 jaunte  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:15:57pm

Punsters for Jesus.

10 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:16:45pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

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There are not enough facepalms. I sincerely wish these people would crawl back into their caves and just GO AWAY.

11 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:16:50pm

If a conservative rock star gets the GOP nomination in 2016 and loses badly enough, I can see the GOP really splitting. At that point, Ted Nugent would probably be a real contender for the nutball party nomination in 2020.

12 Gus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:17:14pm

What he meant to say “someone extracted the GOP’s testicles…” Scrotum is just the sack. :D

13 jaunte  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:17:59pm

re: #12 Gus

As someone said the other day, he’s a registered GOP Downthereologist.

14 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:18:20pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

15 chadu  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:20:09pm
“Someone extracted their scrotum with a rusty shiv,” Nugent answered on Boyles’ KNUS 710-AM talk show.

Hello, tetanus!

“They have no balls. I don’t know where this ‘Let’s be Mr. Rogers with a Lawrence Welk soundtrack tie adjusting’ mantra came from, but my god!,” Nugent exclaimed.

Coward Shitpants just. Dissed. Fred.

You don’t do that. Not to him.

It’s ON, motherfucker.

No /.

16 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:20:55pm

i think 2014 is going to be one big popcorn time

17 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:21:58pm

HURR HURR!!!!! FEMA CAMPS!!!!!!! ANY DAY NOW!!!! WHEN THEY COMES TO TAKE AWAY ARE GUNZ!!!!!!!!

18 Amory Blaine  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:22:30pm

He’s such a fucking drama queen.

19 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:24:27pm

re: #17 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!! FEMA CAMPS!!!!!!! ANY DAY NOW!!!! WHEN THEY COMES TO TAKE AWAY ARE GUNZ!!!!!!!!

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It’s especially dumb to aim the term “numbnuts” at a woman, but its par for the course for that delusional.

20 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:24:32pm

re: #18 Amory Blaine

He’s such a fucking drama queen.

RWNJs generally are.

21 nines09  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:25:13pm

Ted’s so “Ghetto”. Shiv. Rusty, nonetheless. Went on to say “Shank” is not the name of his wife.

22 Gus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:25:50pm

Some goofy responses to the Neil De Grasse Tyson Tweet. I’m ignoring them or blocking the hyper derp.

23 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:26:31pm

Ted, you can’t “extract” a scrotum. It’s on the outside, extract means remove from within. If, on the other hand, you had said your brain had been extracted with a condemned Roto-Rooter snake, you would be on solid ground grammatically. Furthermore, I would believe you.

24 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:28:57pm

re: #17 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!! FEMA CAMPS!!!!!!! ANY DAY NOW!!!! WHEN THEY COMES TO TAKE AWAY ARE GUNZ!!!!!!!!

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25 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:36:30pm
26 jaunte  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:39:00pm

Tax Funded Creationism:
A map showing which U.S. public schools teach creationism to kids
slate.com

Texas: The state’s largest charter program, Responsive Ed, receives $82 million in taxpayer money each year, but that hasn’t stopped its schools from adopting a creationist curriculum that seriously misrepresents the science of evolution.

27 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:44:34pm
28 chadu  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:45:28pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

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I don’t think they realize what they’re saying there.

29 Gus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:47:11pm

Repost.

God creates man 5000 years ago and then waits until 200 BC before he sends a message down telling someone how he created humans effectively waiting 2,786 for human to evolve and create a language.

30 Gus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:48:02pm

At the same time said God totally skips China which was a far more advanced civilization around 200 BC.

31 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:49:51pm

Washed up angry old coward says wut?

32 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:50:31pm

I really think Bill Nye’s debate performance tonight was an unmitigated triumph. He repeatedly maneuvered Ham into admitting, even boasting, that creationism is purely a religious doctrine. This destroys the central claim of the quacks who keep trying to inject this superstition into the public sector. It will not change the minds of the true believers, but that is not the purpose. Scientists are not evangelists. It does deny legitimacy to their subversion of public education. That is all we can, or should, hope for.

33 calochortus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:52:30pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Christians don’t mind if evolution is taught along side creationism. Atheists do, that tells you all you need to know.

That Atheists have higher standards?

34 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:55:15pm

re: #32 Shiplord Kirel

I really think Bill Nye’s debate performance tonight was an unmitigated triumph. He repeatedly maneuvered Ham into admitting, even boasting, that creationism is purely a religious doctrine. This destroys the central claim of the quacks who keep trying to inject this superstition into the public sector. It will not change the minds of the true believers, but that is not the purpose. Scientists are not evangelists. It does deny legitimacy to their subversion of public education. That is all we can, or should, hope for.

Think the most telling moment of the night was when Ham was asked if there was anything that could make him change his beliefs and he gave a long-winded, meandering response that amounted to “No, nothing you could show me would change my opinion.” Nye’s response? Evidence would be enough to change his beliefs.

35 jaunte  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:55:40pm

re: #29 Gus

Checkmate, fossils!

36 jaunte  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:56:42pm

Yes, the real Bryan Fischer.

37 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 7:59:33pm

Tonight you had an evangelist and a scientist on stage, with the former accusing the latter of treating science and particularly evolution as a religion and a belief system. Yet it was also the former who, when questioned, kept asserting his personal interpretation of a religious text as all the proof he needed, while the latter actually cited over 150+ years of scientific research to make his case.

38 chadu  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:02:11pm

re: #37 Targetpractice

Tonight you had an evangelist and a scientist on stage, with the former accusing the latter of treating science and particularly evolution as a religion and a belief system. Yet it was also the former who, when questioned, kept asserting his personal interpretation of a religious text as all the proof he needed, while the latter actually cited over 150+ years of scientific research to make his case.

It’s different for evangelists because shut up.

39 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:04:05pm

And one last thing: Anybody who can say “Creationist scientist” with a straight look on his face is either a fucking idiot or a con artist. I’m still out on which Ken Ham is.

40 chadu  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:05:36pm

o/t

For those of us in Winterpalooza…

Let us frolic in my totally dope blanket fort
Yes, I know what you’re saying, “dude, that blanket fort sucks.” That would not be the first time I’ve heard such short-sighted criticism. Its structural integrity is dubious at best and there isn’t a whole lot of headroom. But c’mon, it’s not like I’m a freakin’ architect or anything.

craigslist.org

41 Kragar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:07:06pm

“Someone Extracted the GOP’s Scrotum With a Rusty Shiv”

But enough about the Tea Party

42 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:07:57pm
43 Kragar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:09:16pm
44 jvic  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:10:49pm

The best scenario for this century is vigorous cultural, political, intellectual, scientific, economic competition, hopefully in a manner beneficial to all humanity. (The worst scenario…let’s not go there.)

So in the good ole “exceptional” USA, public figures are espousing positions that an educated 19th century Christian would have ridiculed. These positions have plurality if not majority support.

Words do not fail me. Words expressible in polite company, do.

45 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:16:31pm

On the topic of this page: This is assuming the GOP had balls to begin with.

I’m inclined to doubt it, and I don’t confuse frothing madness with balls.

46 Gus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:21:59pm
47 Gus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:23:23pm
48 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:24:19pm
49 calochortus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:24:56pm

re: #44 jvic

The key word there is “educated”. Educated people today don’t espouse those positions either.
Uneducated people have generally never had an understanding of the science of the day, or even the religion they are affiliated with. It’s just that now there is so much more we need to know to be fully educated, and no one can know everything any more.
It can be hard to sort out what is important to know if one doesn’t have the support of a good educational system-and sometimes it is more important to fit in with your local support system than it is to know why stars twinkle, or whatever.

50 calochortus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:25:56pm

re: #48 Lidane

Head. Desk.

Pick a losing strategy and stick with it!

51 Swift2991  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:27:39pm

My Spidey sense tells me that they’re on their way to an extinction-class even, like being wiped out by Nixon when we ran the best liberal we could find. We had lost the country. I think that’s where they’re going by 2016. Historic crash.

52 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:29:09pm

Speaking of not having any balls, I’m still waiting for Ted “I shit myself to dodge the draft” Nugent to make good on his “dead or in jail” promise.


re: #32 Shiplord Kirel

I really think Bill Nye’s debate performance tonight was an unmitigated triumph. He repeatedly maneuvered Ham into admitting, even boasting, that creationism is purely a religious doctrine. This destroys the central claim of the quacks who keep trying to inject this superstition into the public sector. It will not change the minds of the true believers, but that is not the purpose. Scientists are not evangelists. It does deny legitimacy to their subversion of public education. That is all we can, or should, hope for.

There is no triumph in this event. It is the year 2014 and fundamentalist loons that maintain the Biblical story of creation as literal truth are still being entertained as if their views had the requisite amount of legitimacy to be sharing a debate stage with established science. Giving them a platform is giving them validation, and it should not be done.

53 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:31:41pm

re: #50 calochortus

Head. Desk.

Pick a losing strategy and stick with it!

Apparently they’re tilting at the Obamacare windmill. Again.

54 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:32:21pm

re: #51 Swift2991

My Spidey sense tells me that they’re on their way to an extinction-class even, like being wiped out by Nixon when we ran the best liberal we could find. We had lost the country. I think that’s where they’re going by 2016. Historic crash.

The RNC posted a straw poll of 30+ potential candidates. The only one who is remotely plausible is Huntsman, and they treat him like a leprous sheep-bugger. When they lose to HC, they will purge themselves, split, or go insane.

55 Gus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:32:38pm
56 Amory Blaine  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:33:09pm

57 Amory Blaine  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:37:38pm

The Seven C’s of History ~ 79¢

So witty.

58 Gus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:39:55pm

59 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:44:10pm

re: #52 GunstarGreen

Speaking of not having any balls, I’m still waiting for Ted “I shit myself to dodge the draft” Nugent to make good on his “dead or in jail” promise.

There is no triumph in this event. It is the year 2014 and fundamentalist loons that maintain the Biblical story of creation as literal truth are >still being entertained as if their views had the requisite amount of legitimacy to be sharing a debate stage with established science. Giving them a platform is giving them validation, and it should not be done.

We are not giving them a platform when we engage them. They have a platform, many thousands of them in fact. What we cannot give them is a monopoly on the political process and the perceptions of lay-people. Drawing attention to a position is not the same as legitimizing it. I know, I have been in the trenches on this issue for 40 years. Ham’s admissions tonight destroy the pretense of creationism as legitimate science. This pretense, ludicrous as it is to you and me, is the basis of their power, and they have done very well with it. We can’t afford to let them run wild, and that is what we do when we hide in our labs and offices and refuse to get our hands dirty engaging them.

60 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:46:52pm

re: #53 Lidane

Apparently they’re tilting at the Obamacare windmill. Again.

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So the GOP who insists that the debt ceiling can only be raised if the bill includes measures to cut the deficit/debt is going forward with a bill that will dismantle the part of the ACA the CBO just came out today and said will end up saving the government $8 billion?

Oh yeah, even Don Quixote would have a hard time mistaking this windmill for a giant.

61 jvic  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:55:17pm

re: #49 calochortus

…Uneducated people have generally never had an understanding of the science of the day, or even the religion they are affiliated with. It’s just that now there is so much more we need to know to be fully educated, and no one can know everything any more…

But nowadays uneducated people are being encouraged to believe they do understand accepted science well enough to judge it wanting.

From Luke 17:2 to Ham and his ilk, a warning:

It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble.

62 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 8:57:14pm

re: #59 Shiplord Kirel

We are not giving them a platform when we engage them. They have a platform, many thousands of them in fact. What we cannot give them is a monopoly on the political process and the perceptions of lay-people. Drawing attention to a position is not the same as legitimizing it. I know, I have been in the trenches on this issue for 40 years. Ham’s admissions tonight destroy the pretense of creationism as legitimate science. This pretense, ludicrous as it is to you and me, is the basis of their power, and they have done very well with it. We can’t afford to let them run wild, and that is what we do when we hide in our labs and offices and refuse to get our hands dirty engaging them.

There is no pretense of creationism as legitimate science, except in the legal sense in regions that already didn’t care. See the twit upthread regarding Tyson’s “The best part about Science is that it’s true whether you believe it or not” quote, and the person’s response to it — casting it in terms of liberal vs conservative. The kind of person that refuses to acknowledge science in the year 2014 cannot be convinced that their religion is anything other than literal truth. They do not care whether or not creationism is legitimate science, because they believe that science is a literal tool of the literal devil. It’s not a matter of policy, as far as they’re concerned, it’s a matter of saving their children from a very real hell.

Any response other than “You are insane and we will not tolerate that in our schools” gives them some validation, however small, to persist. We refuse to tell people that they are loons unworthy of being taken seriously in this day and age, and that has allowed the cranks to poison our public discourse, and eventually our schools. By presenting creationism vs. evolution as a “debate”, rather than “No, you’re crazy, get out”, you provide the leverage necessary for it to be presented at, viewed as, and acted upon as “well there are two sides and they’re both legitimate, I guess it just goes to whichever one you believe in more”, and that is how we end up with disclaimer stickers on our textbooks that warn you that evolution is “just a theory”.

63 Gus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:00:22pm

Neil deGrasse Tyson and Neil Gaiman - Religion vs. Science, God of the Gaps

Youtube Video

64 calochortus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:01:13pm

re: #61 jvic

But nowadays uneducated people are being encouraged to believe they do understand accepted science well enough to judge it wanting.

I guess it’s the price of universal basic education and a democracy.

65 calochortus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:01:47pm

re: #63 Gus

Neil deGrasse Tyson and Neil Gaiman - Religion vs. Science, God of the Gaps

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A small God indeed.

66 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:02:03pm

re: #61 jvic

Fundamentalists revel in being uneducated, being child-like in a way. They see secular book-learning as a threat to their religion, which is based solely on the Bible and what their church leaders say it means. They wall themselves off from the Outside. Ham’s blathering to them sounds perfectly reasonable, while Nye might as well be speaking Attic Greek. It’s a mindset that most people, even fellow believers, cannot fathom.

There is a perhaps apocryphal story of Galileo showing some fellow scientists the Moon through Galileo’s telescope. Rather than discard the Aristotelian notion that the Moon was as smooth as glass, they accused Galileo of playing a trick on them.

67 jvic  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:10:08pm

re: #66 wheat-dogghazi

There is a perhaps apocryphal story of Galileo showing some fellow scientists the Moon threw Galileo’s telescope. Rather than discard the Aristotelian notion that the Moon was as smooth as glass, they accused Galileo of playing a trick on them.

The version I heard is that they refused to look. Kragar #43:

Bryan Bamford @BryBam

“What would ever change your mind?”
Ham: Nothing.
Nye: Evidence. Well, there you have it. #creationdebate

Exactly.

(Btw, decades ago I read an in-depth study of the Galileo trial which maintained that there was a lot more to the affair than the conventional story indicates.)

68 Gus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:11:12pm
69 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:14:44pm

re: #67 jvic

Yes. There was a lot of politics involved, as i remember. Galileo was a favorite of one Pope, but the next Pope was not so keen on him. Galileo was also active during the Reformation, and got caught up in the Counter-Reformation and Inquisition. Any threat to Church authority, which included its wholesale adoption of Aristotle’s science via Aquinas, was considered heresy. If Galileo had not been so well known and well connected, he would have been summarily executed, or at the very least tossed into the dungeons to die.

70 Gus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:14:55pm

Starfighters!

71 Stanley Sea  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:16:31pm

re: #63 Gus

Neil deGrasse Tyson and Neil Gaiman - Religion vs. Science, God of the Gaps

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Excellent.

72 Kragar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:18:26pm

re: #70 Gus

Starfighters!

The magical “Refueling” theme

Youtube Video

73 Gus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:21:20pm
74 calochortus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:21:50pm

Good night all. Hasta Mañana.

75 Gus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:37:32pm

re: #72 Kragar

The magical “Refueling” theme

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76 Kragar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:41:53pm

re: #75 Gus

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Season 6 Episode 12

Youtube Video

77 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:47:28pm
78 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:47:57pm

re: #62 GunstarGreen

There is no pretense of creationism as legitimate science, except in the legal sense in regions that already didn’t care. See the twit upthread regarding Tyson’s “The best part about Science is that it’s true whether you believe it or not” quote, and the person’s response to it — casting it in terms of liberal vs conservative. The kind of person that refuses to acknowledge science in the year 2014 cannot be convinced that their religion is anything other than literal truth. They do not care whether or not creationism is legitimate science, because they believe that science is a literal tool of the literal devil. It’s not a matter of policy, as far as they’re concerned, it’s a matter of saving their children from a very real hell.

Any response other than “You are insane and we will not tolerate that in our schools” gives them some validation, however small, to persist. We refuse to tell people that they are loons unworthy of being taken seriously in this day and age, and that has allowed the cranks to poison our public discourse, and eventually our schools. By presenting creationism vs. evolution as a “debate”, rather than “No, you’re crazy, get out”, you provide the leverage necessary for it to be presented at, viewed as, and acted upon as “well there are two sides and they’re both legitimate, I guess it just goes to whichever one you believe in more”, and that is how we end up with disclaimer stickers on our textbooks that warn you that evolution is “just a theory”.

There certainly is a pretense of creationism as real science. Ham showed it all through the presentation tonight, by repeatedly claiming real evidence for his crazy claims. The creationists pretend there is some scientific basis for their claims. That is the meaning of “pretense.” It is the whole basis of creationist efforts to insinuate their superstition into public education. They do this, of course, because they know that an openly religious appeal is a non-starter.

Just telling them they are insane or dishonest, though true, will not keep them from persuading voters. Thousands of kooks, thousands, have been elected to school boards around the country by pretending that creationism is science. They have controlled the Texas State Board of Education for a good part of the current century. Last week, all 4 of the GOP lieutenant governor candidates were afraid to oppose the creationists in public. That is how powerful they have become.

I was the one who introduced the idea that the debate format required Bill Nye to be too polite to Ham, but he did draw Ham out and got him to admit that his notions are pure religion, and a primitive, authoritarian religion at that. This point is critical to keeping creationism out of education.

I do not care if the true believers are persuaded. What they tell each other in their houses of superstition is not my business. It is my business when they try to insinuate it into policy, especially education policy. They have devised a gimmick to do that. They call it “creation science.”

I have not presented creationism vs. evolution as an actual debate, for the very reason you have cited and because science is not subject to debate, as Tyson points out. I frame it as an engagement. If this must take on the form of a debate, as it did tonight, so be it. We know the substance of a real debate is not there, but it did serve the purpose of forcing Ham to admit the real nature of his claims. It was a confession that creationist activism in education is essentially illegal.

They will not go away if we ignore them. We can call them stupid and crazy till the cows come home, and then wonder how in hell a creationist legislature was elected to cut off our funding.

79 Stanley Sea  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:49:46pm

…….whoops. Doesn’t rate.

80 The War TARDIS  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:53:58pm

re: #78 Shiplord Kirel

The US needs to develop some form of Laicite-lite to quash these clowns.

81 Gus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:56:35pm
82 The War TARDIS  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:56:58pm

re: #81 Gus

We took our spacecraft on a trip?

83 Gus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:57:20pm

re: #76 Kragar

Season 6 Episode 12

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I randomly fast forwarded to the Luftwaffe helmet scene by accident! Weird man! //

84 Gus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:57:40pm

re: #82 The War TARDIS

We took our spacecraft on a trip?

Yeah. Round the world to show off. :D

85 The War TARDIS  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:58:20pm

Do Raccoons have opposible thumbs?

86 Gus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:58:41pm

re: #82 The War TARDIS

We took our spacecraft on a trip?

blog.nasm.si.edu

87 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:00:33pm

re: #76 Kragar

Season 6 Episode 12

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Starring “B-1 Bob” Dornan…

88 Gus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:03:12pm
89 Gus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:18:25pm

re: #87 TedStriker

Starring “B-1 Bob” Dornan…

There’s a nutter.

90 darthstar  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:19:05pm
91 Gus  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:51:34pm

92 Lidane  Tue, Feb 4, 2014 11:48:44pm
93 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 12:44:47am

Youtube Video

94 leftynyc  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 1:39:47am

Reporting from snowy Westchester County in NY - big fat flakes and it looks like it’s been that way for a while. Very white outside - now it’s just a matter of when it turns to ice. Hopefully it wont happen until after I head to the train at 6:15AM. Metro North has some schedule changes - they’re combining trains during morning commute so everyone in the area should check the website. Be careful, everyone - it’s going to be a long day.

95 RadicalModerate  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 3:29:22am

How someone thought that this was a good idea is completely beyond me.

Used police cars sold online as detectives investigate impersonators

Retired unmarked police cars have always been for sale online. But News 8 discovered marked police cars — with their law enforcement equipment still inside — are openly on sale, including a retired unit from the City of Boyd in Wise County.

“Wow, that one could be really dangerous,” Grelle said when News 8 showed him the car’s advertisement.

Boyd police recently retired that vehicle, the chief said, and it was supposed to be stripped of decals and equipment by the McKinney dealership that bought it.

But someone advertised the car for sale on Craigslist “as-is” for $5,700. The Crown Victoria that Boyd retired still had its exterior markings, police radios, a radar, red-and-blue light bar, and prisoner cage in the back seat.

“It’s concerning, because they could fall in the wrong hands,” Grelle said.

That’s not the only example, though.

News 8 found another marked patrol car with a red-and-blue light bar and prisoner cage at a used car lot in Lewisville. The eight-year-old Crown Victoria is listed for less than $8,000.

According to the report, there are dozens of these retired police cars on sale to the general public in the immediate vicinity of the Dallas area alone.

96 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 4:04:19am

Anyone up for a New and Improved Age of Enlightenment™?

After last night and now reading this post, I could use a real breather.

97 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 4:10:07am

Obama did this, of course. //

Libyan blast injures six children at Benghazi school

bbc.co.uk

“Witnesses say the grenade was thrown over a wall into a private school in the Tabilinu area during a break from lessons.

“Benghazi has witnessed a series of bomb attacks and assassinations within the past year, but attacks on schools are rare.

“It is not yet known who is responsible for the attack.”

98 ObserverArt  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 4:14:58am

Well…it’s morning and looks like about 7-8” of snow outside with a little crust of ice on top. Yuk. I’ll trudge out there to clean up my walkways in about an hour. Overall we appear to be lucky there is not more ice. Columbus was right on the edge of getting a 1/4” or more like places south of us.

I hope Backwoods Sleuth got through it, but she was in the ice zone, so it might be bad down her way. Hopefully we will hear from her this morning and that will mean she is powered up.

Tonight we get 8° and nothing above 30° for a week so this crap is gonna be a pain for a long time.

How are the other LGF members doing this morning weather wise? Looks like the BosWash east coasters are still in the middle of the mess.

What a winter. You can go away now. Sigh.

99 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 4:19:10am

Good. Also being reported that no fentanyl was found in heroin PSH injected.

NYPD confirms 4 people arrested following the death of Philip Seymour Hoffman; all 4 charged with drug possession - @NBCNews

Earlier,

4 Suspects Questioned About Heroin in Philip Seymour Hoffman’s Apartment: Sources

nbcnewyork.com

100 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 4:25:42am

I can muster a bit of sympathy for poor, troubled kids who get mixed up in heroin…as for the rest who have the means and the sense to know better…they are just f*cking stupid

101 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 4:26:27am

re: #95 RadicalModerate

How someone thought that this was a good idea is completely beyond me.

Used police cars sold online as detectives investigate impersonators

According to the report, there are dozens of these retired police cars on sale to the general public in the immediate vicinity of the Dallas area alone.

Because it brings in badly needed revenue to cash-strapped PD’s

102 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 4:29:03am

UN committee blasts Vatican

UN denounces Vatican on sex abuse, abortion

bigstory.ap.org

“VATICAN CITY (AP) — A U.N. human rights committee denounced the Vatican on Wednesday for “systematically” adopting policies that allowed priests to rape and molest tens of thousands of children over decades, and urged it to open its files on the pedophiles and the bishops who concealed their crimes.

“In a devastating report, the U.N. committee also severely criticized the Holy See for its attitudes toward homosexuality, contraception and abortion and said it should change its own canon law to ensure children’s rights and their access to health care are guaranteed.

“The U.N. blasted the “code of silence” that has long been used to keep victims quiet, saying the Holy See had “systematically placed preservation of the reputation of the church and the alleged offender over the protection of child victims.” It called on the Holy See to provide compensation to victims and hold accountable not just the abusers but also those who covered up their crimes.”

Yes, it’s time these criminals paid for what they did, and are doing, to kids.

103 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 4:31:10am

tactically, I think they should’ve kept mum on the homosexuality and abortion issues for now and concentrated on the child abuse…they are a criminal organization and need to be treated as such.

104 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 4:33:01am

I find myself this morning looking forward to the head of the CBO appearing before Congress, because I know at least one Republican will not hesitate to get him on record saying the ACA will “kill” 2 million jobs, and so I’m curious as to how he will lay out the report’s findings to them. Whether he will go along with their narrative or will he backhand them and say that the jobs are not being “killed” because the demand will still be there.

105 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 4:33:38am

re: #103 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

tactically, I think they should’ve kept mum on the homosexuality and abortion issues for now and concentrated on the child abuse…they are a criminal organization and need to be treated as such.

Well, look at this response, just on child abuse. I’m telling you, we need a New Age of Enlightenment.

“The Vatican had no immediate comment. But Austen Ivereigh, coordinator of Catholic Voices, a church advocacy group, said the report was a “shocking display of ignorance and high-handedness.”

“He said it failed to acknowledge the progress that has been made in recent years and that the Catholic Church in many places is now considered a leader in safeguarding children. And he noted that the committee seemed unable to grasp the distinction between the responsibilities and jurisdiction of the Holy See, and local churches on the ground.

“It takes no account of the particularities of the Holy See, treating it as if it were the HQ of a multinational corporation,” he said in an email.”

What utter bullshit.

106 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 4:35:26am

He spilled his See upon the ground…

107 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 4:44:31am


And if that weren’t bad enough, a water main break in Newark.

108 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 4:52:55am

Haha, since they probably never have sex anyway, look who the boys have invited to join them.

cpac.org

She’s getting a bit long in the tooth, but at long as they can get there in their hover rounds, the old geezers will show up for what the Rs see as “glamour” and the screech as a sex stimulant. Go figure.

109 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 4:57:19am

Stay safe, everyone who is experiencing this awful weather.


There are reported “major outages” in PA, also, and tens of thousands in NJ.

110 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 4:57:54am

Good morning from snowy Dearborn.

I looked out the window this morning and it looked like only about 1” on the ground even though the weather service was screaming UP TO 6”!!!!

The drive only took 30 minutes (normally 20) but by the time I got to the Detroit/Dearborn border the snow was coming down really hard. Not a lot of traffic at this time.

111 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:01:33am

re: #110 Pie-onist Overlord

Good morning from snowy Dearborn.

I looked out the window this morning and it looked like only about 1” on the ground even though the weather service was screaming >UP TO 6”!!!!

The drive only took 30 minutes (normally 20) but by the time I got to the Detroit/Dearborn border the snow was coming down really hard. Not a lot of traffic at this time.

Stay safe! At least you didn’t wake up to a smashed car. : ) Looks as though that tree wasn’t even on their property, but that’s how it goes. There seems to be lots and lots of ice with this storm. We’re going to be 65 here in NC today…a little rain right now.

112 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:03:36am

Oh and:

tomorrow I am scheduled for a colonoscopy. What fun!

113 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:06:42am

Mr. Sleuth may not be home before March at this rate.

Pennsylvania power outage update: Total estimate: 438,814, most through PECO Electric, which says it has more than 1,000 crews working to restore power - @NBCNews

114 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:07:03am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. For those asking, the weather sucks. Sleet, freezing rain, ice, and snow. The heavy wet snow. Northern NJ got about 4-6 inches before the sleet, freezing rain, and ice have turned an already bad situation into one that’s pretty much bordering on intolerable.

Most of the schools have closed in NJ and a state of emergency is in place. NJ Transit is operating on a weekend schedule with significant delays. MTA buses/subways are operating on a regular schedule for now, but that might be problematic later in the day as the ice builds up.

Northern NJ is in the bullseye for significant freezing. With up to a half inch of ice expected, it’s possible for massive power outages.

Like I said, suckage.

Meanwhile, it looks like CVS realizes that being a health provider is incompatible with being a purveyor of tobacco and cigarette products. They’re going to quit selling tobacco products by October. Kudos to them, but you’ve got to wonder what took them so long - other than the $1-2 billion in lost profits they expect from the move.

115 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:11:28am

re: #98 ObserverArt

I’m OK. There’s some ice and my county is under a level 2 emergency (emergency traffic only on the roads). There’s some flooding, some limbs and power lines down but that appears to be mostly in the eastern part of the county.
I think I lucked out when a big hole opened up in the storm for a couple of hours and all precipitation stopped for a while. Temperature has held fairly steady at 31-32F. The cable to my satellite dish is sagging, so I’ll have to go deal with that later.
Footing is treacherous, because most of the five inches of snow from Sunday night/Monday morning was still on the ground. Now it’s just pretty solid frozen stuff.
I haven’t heard from MrBWS yet this morning, but the crews were told to pack a bag to bring with them to the showup yard this morning and be ready to head out to wherever they’re needed.
I do know that Arkansas, Jersey and Long Island power companies have already called for help.

116 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:11:30am

Interstate 84 is now closed the full length between CT and PA due to the treacherous conditions.

Meanwhile, parents are pissed in NYC because the schools are open, while Gov. Cuomo has basically said for people to stay home due to the conditions.

117 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:14:21am

I am Tweeting this question to every Godwin.

118 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:14:54am

It’s deceptively icy out here.
Less than a tenth of a inch fell. Looks all wet. Until you step on it.
I hate this crap.

119 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:14:56am

PSE&G’s outage map for NJ shows that most of the outages are so far down near Philly, but the numbers are only going to rise as the day goes on.

120 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:15:17am

re: #117 Pie-onist Overlord

I am Tweeting this question to every Godwin.

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Any responses yet?

121 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:16:11am

Here’s a link to a list of power company websites, listed by states, to find outage information:

linemanbarn.com

122 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:16:14am

“Paul Revere” from last night insisted that the Obamacaust was a “process” and we were not yet in the FEMA DEATH CAMPZ!!!!!! stage of the process. I answered that we were not even at the TwitterGulag stage of the process and then he called me a name and posted a pic of FUGLY LIBRUL WOMENS!!!!!! and then got all butthurt and blocked me.

123 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:16:17am

re: #118 Varek Raith

It’s deceptively icy out here.
Less than a tenth of a inch fell. Looks all wet. Until you step on it.
I hate this crap.

And outdoor cat is throwing a tantrum
Fun.

124 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:16:59am

re: #120 Varek Raith

Any responses yet?

125 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:18:05am

re: #124 Pie-onist Overlord

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Uh huh.
We are 5 years in to this ‘process’.
HOW MUCH LONGER?!?!
These people…
Sheesh.

126 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:18:19am

re: #114 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. For those asking, the weather sucks. Sleet, freezing rain, ice, and snow. The heavy wet snow. Northern NJ got about 4-6 inches before the sleet, freezing rain, and ice have turned an already bad situation into one that’s pretty much bordering on intolerable.

Most of the schools have closed in NJ and a state of emergency is in place. NJ Transit is operating on a weekend schedule with significant delays. MTA buses/subways are operating on a regular schedule for now, but that might be problematic later in the day as the ice builds up.

Northern NJ is in the bullseye for significant freezing. With up to a half inch of ice expected, it’s possible for massive power outages.

Like I said, suckage.

Meanwhile, it looks like CVS realizes that being a health provider is incompatible with being a purveyor of tobacco and cigarette products. They’re going to quit selling tobacco products by October. Kudos to them, but you’ve got to wonder what took them so long - other than the $1-2 billion in lost profits they expect from the move.

CVS Caremark is a major provider of Medicare Rx; they’re making a strategic move. There is a CVS across the street from a Walgreens here, and I notice that the CVS doesn’t seen to depend as much on selling other mdse as Walgreens seems to do. But I use Walgreens because the local pharmacist who I used for years closed his store and went to Walgreens. There were 2 CVS stores and 1 Walgreens within 10 mi of his store (halfway between the others). He’s excellent, catching an Rx from a local dentist who prescribed a penicillin product for me. I’m allergic, it was in the dentist’s info on me, and Donnie knew I was—he’s thorough and I appreciate the personal attention he gives his customers.

127 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:18:40am

re: #125 Varek Raith

Uh huh.
We are 5 years in to this ‘process’.
HOW MUCH LONGER?!?!
These people…
Sheesh.

OBAMACARE IS TEH KRISTALLNACHT!!!!1!!!!!!!!

128 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:19:10am

re: #117 Pie-onist Overlord

Obama is the most incompetent Hitler ever.

129 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:20:16am

re: #128 lawhawk

Obama is the most incompetent Hitler ever.

He also totally sucks at Teh Communism.

130 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:21:19am

re: #129 Pie-onist Overlord

He also totally sucks at Teh Communism.

And Islamo-Atheist Sharia insertRWbuzzwordshere!

131 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:21:56am

re: #128 lawhawk

Obama is the most incompetent Hitler ever.

No shit. Within 5 years of taking office, Hitler had effectively decapitated democratic government in Germany, had reduced the courts to mere puppets, and had militarized the police when he didn’t have actual soldiers on the streets. The grip he had on the country was so great that the Gestapo, even as secret police, were working out in the open and could gun down a man in the street and make up the excuse later.

If Obama is another Hitler, then he’s got a lot of ground to make up in two years.

132 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:22:19am

Like creeping Shariah (or latent homosexuality), creeping Obamacaust is something that we are just going wake up to some morning and realize it is too late, we should have listened to all those True Patriots crying out in the wilderness.

133 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:25:53am

HURR HURR!!!!! ITS TOTALLY HAPPENING!!!!!

134 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:27:13am

Meanwhile, the Sochi Olympics are just days away, and journalists and athletes are beginning to arrive ahead of the games. To say that the facilities aren’t ready for prime time is an understatement from the tweets and reports coming out about the hotels and conditions around them.

Yet, as bad as those reports sound, the comments section is a cesspool of craziness with people comparing the conditions to what Obama is inflicting on the US. So, wait, is Obama the worst Hitler ever, or the worst Stalin? It’s so hard to keep track of the cognitive dissonance and general cavalcade of crazy.

135 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:27:52am

Somebody was posting Twitter pictures calling for assassination of the POTUS and Secret Service paid him a visit.

ZOMG IT TEH TYRANNY!!!!!!1!!!!!!

136 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:28:28am

re: #133 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!! ITS TOTALLY HAPPENING!!!!!

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And yet, Tom’s still alive to tell his tale. Truly we are living in another Reich.

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137 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:29:10am

re: #136 Targetpractice

And yet, Tom’s still alive to tell his tale. Truly we are living in another Reich.

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HE IS STILL ON TEH TWITTERS!!!!

Most. Incompetent. Gestapo. Ever.

138 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:30:37am

re: #133 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!! ITS TOTALLY HAPPENING!!!!!

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he says he never crossed the line, just called for Obama to be hung, drawn and quartered - but only in a metaphorical sense…

this is their tactic - to provoke a justified and measured response to a threat to public safety and then portray it as a portent of the Obamacaust

139 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:31:46am

re: #133 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!! ITS TOTALLY HAPPENING!!!!!

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Not that “Harriett Baldwin” offered any proof of what was actually done and said…ever.

I’m rather glad, if it did happen, that the SS is on to these fools.

140 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:33:32am

I just got a spam email from “Americans For Prosperity”

I wanted to make sure you saw this. Emilie lives in Tennessee and suffers from a difficult illness called lupus. Emilie went from paying $57 per month for health care to an extra $6,000 every year under ObamaCare.

Some of our elected officials would like to dismiss these stories of Americans losing their health insurance due to ObamaCare, but people like Emilie can’t be so lucky. She must live with the consequences of the President’s failed health care legislation.

Read and share Emilie’s story, which was featured in the New York Post:
nypost.com

As the bad news about ObamaCare keeps piling up, some of our lawmakers have chosen to stand with the President, rather than American people. That’s why we’re working so hard to make sure these legislators are being held accountable.

Thanks for being a part of our efforts to stop ObamaCare and ensure a better life for people like Emilie.

I’m pretty sure “Emilie” story is bullshit just like every other “Obamacare horror” that has been flogged through the wingnut media.

141 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:35:51am

re: #137 Pie-onist Overlord

HE IS STILL ON TEH TWITTERS!!!!

Most. Incompetent. Gestapo. Ever.

TF is a really, really sick motherfucker.

142 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:37:49am

re: #140 Pie-onist Overlord

I just got a spam email from “Americans For Prosperity”

I’m pretty sure “Emilie” story is bullshit just like every other “Obamacare horror” that has been flogged through the wingnut media.

And “Emilie” is likely another wingnut who got rolled by her insurer and so hates the President that she’d rather force herself to pay more for insurance than even boot up the federal exchange or talk to a Navigator.

143 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:41:35am

excuse me, but who da fuck gets coverage for $57 per month? Hell. I was paying that much in 1987 for a policy with $10K deductible…

144 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:42:48am

re: #143 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

excuse me, but who da fuck gets coverage for $57 per month? Hell. I was paying that much in 1987 for a policy with $10K deductible…

If I had to guess, I’d say one of those “catastrophic coverage” deals, where you effectively pay nothing in premiums and gamble that you never have a serious long-term illness. Because otherwise you’re fucked.

145 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:45:27am

Not this shit again.

146 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:47:32am

TF has all the bravado of a Keyboard Kommando but I’ll bet he was shaking in his boots when the SS came calling.

He’s probably one of those cowardly, reactionary punks who would have joined the Brown Shirts in a heartbeat.

He’s probably sniffed too much glue.

yelp.com

147 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:47:34am

Good morning Lizards. Middle of Philadelphia seems to be dodging the worst of this storm. Light rain and temps hovering right at freezing. Stuff is wet and there is some ice, but not a complete horror. Much worse north and east where the temps did drop below freezing - and power outages as a result of the icy conditions.

148 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:50:12am
149 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:52:27am

re: #145 Pie-onist Overlord

Not this shit again.

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The cases are so unrelated it’s sad. For one thing, the wife here was 22 weeks along, while (IIRC) Munoz was 14 weeks along. This case involves a wife that never stopped breathing, while Munoz hadn’t been breathing for several minutes by the time she was found. And the husband here is voluntarily keeping his wife alive, unlike the Munoz case where the hospital was keeping her “alive” because of how it interpreted a 30+ year old state law.

150 aagcobb  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:53:10am

re: #148 lawhawk

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I know the girl scout troop my wife and SiL run spend at least half their time telling the girls how much fun it is to get an abortion and promoting the joys of lesbianism.///

151 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:53:19am

re: #148 lawhawk

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Cool, more Thin Mints for me.

152 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:53:48am

re: #140 Pie-onist Overlord

CoverTN was a limited benefit plan.

CoverTN had a $25,000 annual limit on benefits. The federal health law does not allow yearly expenditure caps.

CoverTN was established in 2006 as a program in which the state, employer and employee would evenly split premium costs based on an individual’s age, tobacco use and weight.

CoverTN won’t be viable under federal health law as of Jan. 1

153 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:56:59am
154 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 5:59:22am

I’m sure this won’t stop the sexist jokes over at the usual suspects…

155 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:00:05am

re: #145 Pie-onist Overlord

Not this shit again.

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So, basically, because he has national health in Canada, he’s quit his job and is expecting the public to support him?

If the child survives this travesty without any disabilities, he’ll be lucky. But what if it doesn’t? He’s already raised $118K.

“Due to the stress of this situation, and not knowing when they will attempt to deliver Iver (if Robyn’s body becomes unstable, they may need to deliver him within minutes or days), I am unable to work. The majority of my current and upcoming leave from work will leave me only earning 55% of my salary. I am about to become a single father. Paternity leave for men will only provide me with 35 weeks off from work, and it’s likely that I will be spending the first 6-8 of those in the hospital with Iver before I can take him home. I will need funds towards bills, baby supplies, daycare, housing, food, and transportation.” - See more at: youcaring.com

I hate to sound so mean, but this just hit me the wrong way, considering everything else we read about women and children and how they’re neglected, and have been neglected forever.

Robyn’s uterus has become more important than she ever was.

156 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:00:30am

re: #154 Targetpractice

I’m sure this won’t stop the sexist jokes over at the usual suspects…

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157 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:03:33am

HURR HURR!!!!!!!

158 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:03:50am

re: #156 Pie-onist Overlord

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I’ve always been of the view one should start “local” and work one’s way up the political ladder. You know; City Council, Mayor, State Legislator/Senator, State Governor or US Representative, then US Senator, etc.

Just my opinion, though; that’s how I’d do it. I wish Ms. Fluke the best of luck.

159 Flounder  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:05:02am

Never thought I would agree with Ted.

160 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:07:21am

re: #157 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!!!!

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This will be the real acid test for the nutjob lobby: a major natural and/or man-made catastrophe on the scale of Katrina that prompts martial law, evacuations and, yes, confiscation of firearms as part of the EMERGENCY…that will quickly disintegrate into a Somalia-like sceneario of idjits out with guns and trucks shooting at everything they see as suspicious

161 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:08:59am

re: #160 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

This will be the real acid test for the nutjob lobby: a major natural and/or man-made catastrophe on the scale of Katrina that prompts martial law, evacuations and, yes, confiscation of firearms as part of the EMERGENCY…that will quickly disintegrate into a Somalia-like sceneario of idjits out with guns and trucks shooting at everything they see as suspicious

That was really TRICKSY of Obama to confiscate TEH GUNZ from patriots WHILE BUSH WAS PRESIDENT.

162 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:10:55am

re: #160 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

This will be the real acid test for the nutjob lobby: a major natural and/or man-made catastrophe on the scale of Katrina that prompts martial law, evacuations and, yes, confiscation of firearms as part of the EMERGENCY…that will quickly disintegrate into a Somalia-like sceneario of idjits out with guns and trucks shooting at everything they see as suspicious

Unfortunately, I could see that scenario coming to pass. There’s way too many nutjobs out there, and far too many of them are

a) armed to the teeth
b) convinced they’re going to be shuttled off to concentration camps.

163 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:12:04am

re: #161 Pie-onist Overlord

That was really TRICKSY of Obama to confiscate TEH GUNZ from patriots WHILE BUSH WAS PRESIDENT.

The point being that if Bush could do such a thing, just think of what Obama has up his sleeve…

164 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:12:24am

Katrina? That was during the Bush Administration. Or are these idiots so illiterate and ahistorical to not realize that Obama wasn’t in office when those events took place? Or that the NOLA police were roundly criticized for handling events.

And that since Obama took office, there’s been no such gun confiscations at all.

165 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:13:14am

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

That looks like lies, damned lies, and statistics territory. Most of the uninsured live in a limited number of counties! Duh, most of the US population as a whole lives in a limited number of counties.

The top 10 most populated counties in the US contain about 12% of the entire US population. So, to be revealing, that article would need to point out in some way that the uninsured distribution doesn’t simply map really closely to how the population as a whole is distributed.

166 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:13:43am
167 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:15:03am

re: #165 Feline Fearless Leader

That looks like lies, damned lies, and statistics territory. Most of the uninsured live in a limited number of counties! Duh, most of the US population as a whole lives in a limited number of counties.

The top 10 most populated counties in the US contain about 12% of the entire US population. So, to be revealing, that article would need to point out in some way that the uninsured distribution doesn’t simply map really closely to how the population as a whole is distributed.

yep! But anything to make a scary headline…

168 aagcobb  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:15:26am

re: #164 lawhawk

Katrina? That was during the Bush Administration. Or are these idiots so illiterate and ahistorical to not realize that Obama wasn’t in office when those events took place? Or that the NOLA police were roundly criticized for handling events.

And that since Obama took office, there’s been no such gun confiscations at all.

C’mon, everyone knows Bush is a RINO and his family are major players in the conspiracy to impose the NWO on Murica. The Bush Administration triggered Katrina with HAARP just so they could practice gun confiscation!!11!!

169 BongCrodny  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:16:30am

Ryan Zinke, GOP House Candidate, Says He Was Too “Harsh” In Comparing Hillary Clinton To The Anti-Christ

Republican House candidate Ryan Zinke admitted Monday that calling Hillary Clinton the “anti-Christ” perhaps wasn’t the best comparison.

In an interview with the Daily Inter Lake, Zinke said he doesn’t really believe she’s the anti-Christ, although he still is critical of her time as secretary of state due to the deaths of four Americans in a terrorist attack in Benghazi, Libya.

“I would say this: It was perhaps a little harsh,” said Zinke, a retired Navy SEAL and former Montana state senator. “But I had two friends in Benghazi and the truth does matter.”

Now hold on just a rootin’ tootin’ minute there, pardner.

I thought President Obama was the Anti-Christ.

They can’t both be Anti-Christs, can they? Or are they Mr. and Mrs. Anti-Christ? And if they are, do Bill and Michelle know about this?

If anyone thinks this horseshit that President Obama has been putting up with for the past five years is *solely* because he’s black, it’s not. If Hillary runs and is elected, we can expect more of this same nonsense for the next four or eight years.
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It’s the (D), not the B.

170 Flounder  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:16:30am

I take the time to drive to work in a major snowstorm, just to make sure the front door is unlocked. Do you think my co-workers would have the common decency to show up? I live the farthest away! I’m taking all my toys and going home (after breffist).

171 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:16:49am

re: #166 Justanotherhuman

The Mrs had to get to work, and just got into NY Penn before they shut the NEC/NJC lines. Awful conditions generally, but the radar’s showing that there’s a dry slot opening up so the precip is backing off a bit. That’ll help road and rail crews get ahead of the weather.

172 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:17:13am

re: #167 Backwoods_Sleuth

yep! But anything to make a scary headline…

Since it was the Denver Post I wonder if they were simply digging for a diversion from Sunday’s events.
//

173 aagcobb  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:17:49am

re: #167 Backwoods_Sleuth

yep! But anything to make a scary headline…

This is precisely why the Administration is confident they can reach the uninsured to get them to sign up on the exchanges; because they are concentrated in urban counties and are primarily Obama voters, the same people the Campaign got to the polls in 2008 and 2012.

174 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:18:43am

re: #170 Flounder

I take the time to drive to work in a major snowstorm, just to make sure the front door is unlocked. Do you think my co-workers would have the common decency to show up? I live the farthest away! I’m taking all my toys and going home (after breffist).

At least if you make a pot of coffee you will get some and not come back after starting it and find that it has already been emptied out.
;)

175 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:20:16am

re: #173 aagcobb

This is precisely why the Administration is confident they can reach the uninsured to get them to sign up on the exchanges; because they are concentrated in urban counties and are primarily Obama voters, the same people the Campaign got to the polls in 2008 and 2012.

Just get some trained community service groups going with wireless laptops. They can help the elderly review and enroll, register them to vote, and get the paperwork going for voter ID, all at the same time.

To be quickly followed by x-plodey heads in other places.

176 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:24:41am

re: #175 Feline Fearless Leader

Just get some trained community service groups going with wireless laptops. They can help the elderly review and enroll, register them to vote, and get the paperwork going for voter ID, all at the same time.

To be quickly followed by x-plodey heads in other places.

ITZ TEH OBAMAFASHIZM!11!!

177 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:27:47am

It appears that Dylan Benson is quite the marketing entrepreneur.

ca.linkedin.com

I feel for him, but I’m wondering what the response would be if this was a minority or poor mother and not some white dude? He’s really playing to the “right-to-lifers”.

“Canada does not consider the fetus to have any legal right to life, so the underlying ethical question in a case like Mrs. Benson’s is what the mother would have wanted.

(snip)

“However, ethical issues arise when medical science uses a woman’s body to incubate a child without respect for the mother’s wishes. “The point is really about having some very robust conversations,” said Dianne Godkin, senior ethicist at Trillium Health Partners in Mississauga, Ont.

(snip)

“Both doctors said stories like this highlight the importance of having conversations about end-of-life care at all ages and stages of life.”

news.nationalpost.com

178 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:29:51am
179 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:30:14am

That grinding noise you hear is wingnut pundits trying to shift talking points without a clutch, as they try to save face after everybody down to Greg Kessler told them that “OBAMACARE KILLS JOBS!!!” was not supported by the CBO report. Now they’re getting snippy about the White House and the New York Times both portraying the ending of “job lock” as a good thing and screaming about all the labor “lost.”

180 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:31:11am

HURR HURR!!!!!!

181 ObserverArt  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:31:25am

re: #115 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m OK. There’s some ice and my county is under a level 2 emergency (emergency traffic only on the roads). There’s some flooding, some limbs and power lines down but that appears to be mostly in the eastern part of the county.
I think I lucked out when a big hole opened up in the storm for a couple of hours and all precipitation stopped for a while. Temperature has held fairly steady at 31-32F. The cable to my satellite dish is sagging, so I’ll have to go deal with that later.
Footing is treacherous, because most of the five inches of snow from Sunday night/Monday morning was still on the ground. Now it’s just pretty solid frozen stuff.
I haven’t heard from MrBWS yet this morning, but the crews were told to pack a bag to bring with them to the showup yard this morning and be ready to head out to wherever they’re needed.
I do know that Arkansas, Jersey and Long Island power companies have already called for help.

Good to hear Sleuth!

You were right about the NWS forecasts for Columbus. 8” and since it was 20-30° it is some heavy stuff, with a crust of about an 1/2” of hard snow and a touch of ice on top of that.

I just got back in from clearing some walkways. By the time I got to the street side sidewalk I was already getting pretty whipped, so I only did about a 2 shovel wide path. It’s better than most of the homes around me…so I did my civic thing. I’ll go out later to tackle to backyard walkway a path to mt garage if needed. But I hope not to have to go out for a couple days. I worry about the back alley…that doesn’t get a lot of traffic so getting out of my garage with my car might be tough for a week or so.

What a winter. Dammit!

So, they have school in NYC…and the transit lines are stopping due to power outages. Hang in there NYC folks.

182 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:31:30am

re: #179 Targetpractice

That grinding noise you hear is wingnut pundits trying to shift talking points without a clutch, as they try to save face after everybody down to Greg Kessler told them that “OBAMACARE KILLS JOBS!!!” was not supported by the CBO report. Now they’re getting snippy about the White House and the New York Times both portraying the ending of “job lock” as a good thing and screaming about all the labor “lost.”

183 darthstar  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:32:35am

So why did I bring my fishing pole?

184 darthstar  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:33:20am

I think the last image means no karaoke.

185 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:33:25am

HURR HURRRR!!!!!!!

186 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:35:02am

re: #179 Targetpractice

That grinding noise you hear is wingnut pundits trying to shift talking points without a clutch, as they try to save face after everybody down to Greg Kessler told them that “OBAMACARE KILLS JOBS!!!” was not supported by the CBO report. Now they’re getting snippy about the White House and the New York Times both portraying the ending of “job lock” as a good thing and screaming about all the labor “lost.”

I thought Love’s Labour’s Lost was a comedy though.
O_o

187 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:35:21am

re: #182 Pie-onist Overlord

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What the CBO report reads like, and I assume we’ll get a fuller explanation today before Congress, is that 2.5 million Americans will be able to retire early or work fewer hours and still be able to afford health insurance. The critics of the ACA now are stuck actually arguing that that’s a bad thing.

188 ObserverArt  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:38:11am

re: #128 lawhawk

Obama is the most incompetent Hitler ever.

re: #129 Pie-onist Overlord

He also totally sucks at Teh Communism.

re: #130 Varek Raith

And Islamo-Atheist Sharia insertRWbuzzwordshere!

And, and , and…he can’t crash the markets like he was supposed to…

…and Teddy Nugent isn’t dead and in jail.

FAIL!

189 darthstar  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:40:00am
190 No Country For Old Haters  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:40:53am

re: #184 darthstar

I think the last image means no karaoke.

I think it’s one of these amazon.com

191 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:40:59am

re: #187 Targetpractice

What the CBO report reads like, and I assume we’ll get a fuller explanation today before Congress, is that 2.5 million Americans will be able to retire early or work fewer hours and still be able to afford health insurance. The critics of the ACA now are stuck actually arguing that that’s a bad thing.

That’s exactly what the report indicates. It’s about enabling people who would otherwise retire and enjoy post-employment years to do exactly that. It means that people will be more mobile in employment opportunities - shifting from jobs to those areas of interest that they want to pursue.

And the GOP makes this all seem like a bad thing.

2.5 million sounds like a huge number, except that it’s a fraction of the entire workforce. 144 million are currently employed. Total workforce is 155 million. That works out to 1.6% of the workforce.

192 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:41:59am

re: #164 lawhawk

Katrina? That was during the Bush Administration. Or are these idiots so illiterate and ahistorical to not realize that Obama wasn’t in office when those events took place? Or that the NOLA police were roundly criticized for handling events.

And that since Obama took office, there’s been no such gun confiscations at all.

Moreover, the NOPD has ended having to pay for most of those guns (they were stored improperly) after being sued. A secret cabal isn’t going to find many people willing to play the role of “gun grabbing thugs” after it left the previous gun grabbers to twist in the wind. Thus we come to the truth: The NOPD exceeded and misused its authority during Hurricane Katrina and the gun confiscations were just part of its pattern of bad behavior.

193 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:42:01am

HURR HURR!!!!!! WE HAS LOST ARE FREEDUMBS FORCED TO PAY 4 SOMEBODY ELSE’S PREGANCY!!!!!!11!!

194 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:42:20am

re: #191 lawhawk

2.5 million sounds like a huge number, except that it’s a fraction of the entire workforce. 144 million are currently employed. Total workforce is 155 million. That works out to 1.6% of the workforce.

every job is sacred, every job is great…

195 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:43:32am

HURR HURRRRR!!!!!!

196 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:43:38am

re: #112 Pie-onist Overlord

Oh and:

tomorrow I am scheduled for a colonoscopy. What fun!

Getting blown up like a balloon was my favorite part of that procedure. And watching the spelunking journey on the monitor they set up for me :-)

197 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:44:14am

re: #194 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

every job is sacred, every job is great…

Except that the GOP wont enact UI, wont pay for infrastructure improvements, wont allow minimum wage increases, and kowtows to the rich so that they can increase their own wealth all while shifting cost burdens on to those least able to afford it.

198 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:45:02am

re: #180 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!!!

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199 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:45:10am

re: #150 aagcobb

I know the girl scout troop my wife and SiL run spend at least half their time telling the girls how much fun it is to get an abortion and promoting the joys of lesbianism.///

Had a knock on the door at sunset, and stupidly answered without the .357. It was just the UPS guy, but it might have been a Girl Scout!!!

200 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:45:23am

HURR HURRRR!!!! EVERYONE SHUD WORK ALL TEH HOURS UNTIL THEY DIE!!!!1!!!!! EXCEPT TEH 1% CAUSE THEY WORKS SMARTER & TEHY RR TEH JRRB CREETORS1!!!!!!!

201 darthstar  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:47:23am

re: #193 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!!! WE HAS LOST ARE FREEDUMBS FORCED TO PAY 4 SOMEBODY ELSE’S PREGANCY!!!!!!11!!

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202 b.d.  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:48:09am
Jesse Ventura hiding from drones

Good job Jesse! Hide Harder!

Former wrestler and Minnesota Gov. Jesse Ventura says he has gone “off the grid” in Mexico to avoid drones knowing where he is.

Read more: politico.com

203 GunstarGreen  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:51:37am

re: #202 b.d.

Good job Jesse! Hide Harder!

Guess the chew wore off and he’s no longer a goddamn sexual tyrannosaurus.

204 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:52:49am

re: #133 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!! ITS TOTALLY HAPPENING!!!!!

Wonder how many times they have to change their soiled pants every day.

205 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:53:06am

re: #180 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!!!

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3) Said “army” would take 50% casualties from gun fire and 50% casualties from shitting their pants.

Don’t know about you but _I’M_ smiling.

206 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:54:06am

re: #191 lawhawk

That’s exactly what the report indicates. It’s about enabling people who would otherwise retire and enjoy post-employment years to do exactly that. It means that people will be more mobile in employment opportunities - shifting from jobs to those areas of interest that they want to pursue.

And the GOP makes this all seem like a bad thing.

2.5 million sounds like a huge number, except that it’s a fraction of the entire workforce. 144 million are currently employed. Total workforce is 155 million. That works out to 1.6% of the workforce.

What that 2.5 million is is leverage returned to workers that they haven’t had in a long time. Businesses are going to have to pay more and offer more incentives to keep the older workforce they have, while younger workers who are in shorter supply will be able to demand more for their work than their predecessors. Thing about reducing the labor supply is that the demand doesn’t just magically go away.

207 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:54:23am

re: #205 William Barnett-Lewis

3) Said “army” would take 50% casualties from gun fire and 50% casualties from shitting their pants.

Don’t know about you but _I’M_ smiling.

How’d that work out for the “Army of Hunters & Trackers” in 1861?

208 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:54:37am

re: #199 Decatur Deb

Had a knock on the door at sunset, and stupidly answered without the .357. It was just the UPS guy, but it might have been a >Girl Scout!!!

Which invasion are they the scouts for? I get so confused given the whole spectrum of enemies I am supposed to be afeared of.
O_o //

209 Gus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:55:15am

Hello. My name is Ted Nugent.

210 JustMark  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:55:56am

re: #189 darthstar

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Red state education?

211 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:56:15am

re: #198 Dark_Falcon

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Don’t ya love the spartan helmet? Ask the twit if he’s queer as the spartans - you weren’t allowed to be a citizen (aka soldier) unless you had your “buddy” alongside you.

Or use my answer I posted a moment ago.

He deserves repeated mocking.

212 b.d.  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:56:46am

Deer don’t shoot back

213 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:56:50am

re: #207 Pie-onist Overlord

How’d that work out for the “Army of Hunters & Trackers” in 1861?

Not very well. It turns out they weren’t all that good until they’d gotten enough experience and training to become soldiers.

214 GunstarGreen  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:57:00am

re: #206 Targetpractice

What that 2.5 million is is leverage returned to workers that they haven’t had in a long time. Businesses are going to have to pay more and offer more incentives to keep the older workforce they have, while younger workers who are in shorter supply will be able to demand more for their work than their predecessors. Thing about reducing the labor supply is that the demand doesn’t just magically go away.

Precisely. Nobody works because they enjoy it. They work because you need money to function in this world. With the ACA, they don’t need as much as they used to, because they can get decent healthcare independent of an employer; thus they quit earlier because they can.

But that directly works to decrease wage-slavery, which the right is deathly afraid of seeing happen.

215 ObserverArt  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:57:25am

re: #164 lawhawk

Katrina? That was during the Bush Administration. Or are these idiots so illiterate and ahistorical to not realize that Obama wasn’t in office when those events took place? Or that the NOLA police were roundly criticized for handling events.

And that since Obama took office, there’s been no such gun confiscations at all.

He was probably working with the NO police as a community organizer…organizing a way to confiscate all those gunz!!!

/

216 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:57:47am

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

Not very well. It turns out they weren’t all that good until they’d gotten enough experience and training to become soldiers.

And war does not look kindly on amateurs.

217 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:57:57am

Ten years ago, when I was still working for Lowe’s, there were a couple of women my age who were still working strictly for the insurance coverage, FT, because they had sick husbands who weren’t yet 65. Yes, just for the coverage—PT coverage wouldn’t cover much of anything, so they didn’t cut their hours or leave after they had been there for a number of years. They seemed to have a large older employee population then, but that probably changed after Lowe’s was able to get rid of them.

That was during the period that corporate mgmt totally changed the direction of the company from a formerly decent state based employer (with ESOPs) to top heavy corporate pay, cheaper hourly rates, and went on an expansion kick as well.

218 kirkspencer  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:58:10am

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I know others hit on that map, but I wonder what it would look like if it showed uninsured per 100,000 or some other ‘per capita’ basis?

219 b.d.  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 6:59:43am

re: #202 b.d.

Good job Jesse! Hide Harder!

Ventura ignored another question from the host asking how he could be off the grid with Internet access.

Read more: politico.com

220 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:00:11am

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

Not very well. It turns out they weren’t all that good until they’d gotten enough experience and training to become soldiers.

I think she was referring to how the southerners all thought they were such a more Martial people than the North. Sam Houston knew better: “They are not a fiery, impulsive people as you are, for they live in colder climates. But when they begin to move in a given direction, they move with the steady momentum and perseverance of a mighty avalanche… “

221 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:00:13am

re: #211 William Barnett-Lewis

Don’t ya love the spartan helmet? Ask the twit if he’s queer as the spartans - you weren’t allowed to be a citizen (aka soldier) unless you had your “buddy” alongside you.

Or use my answer I posted a moment ago.

He deserves repeated mocking.

I’m not going to say the former, because I don’t want to arouse the kind of hate it would engender. If he brings up something from 300 that is being used incorrectly, though, I’m going to reply “Melon Label!”. In the best LGF tradition, its an absurdist parody of “Monon Labe!”.

223 Ian G.  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:01:47am

re: #198 Dark_Falcon

A hunter with his Winchester 30.06 vs. an Apache helicopter and its full complement of Hellfires, hydra rockets, and 30 mm cannon. I know who I’d take in that fight.

224 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:02:09am

re: #222 Feline Fearless Leader

You want in the box? Hand over the cat treats!

“You want your stuff, I want a full food dish. I think we can work something out.”

225 Gus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:02:23am

The metric system is not in the bible. Think about THAT! //

226 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:02:38am

re: #221 Dark_Falcon

I’m not going to say the former, because I don’t want to arouse the kind of hate it would engender. If he brings up something from 300 that is being used incorrectly, though, I’m going to reply “Melon Label!”. In the best LGF tradition, its an absurdist parody of “Monon Labe!”.

I prefer “Moron Label” or this image:

Image: image.w174h200f3.jpg

227 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:03:50am

re: #225 Gus

The metric system is not in the bible. Think about THAT! //

I demand we return to teh cubits!!11!!

//

228 kirkspencer  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:04:04am

re: #180 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!!!

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Once more we see the blind assumption that only one side owns firearms; only one side hunts.

along with the infamous ‘my 30.06 will defeat their tanks and aircraft’ and the idiocy that shooting and stalking is all there is to combat. (logistics, coordination and cooperation, intel, and all the rest are ‘just tail’.)

And add in the error about the 3%. 3% CAN do it, but there have been plenty of cases where larger numbers than that were insufficient. See for example the American Civil War.

229 Ian G.  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:04:32am

Good morning, Lizards. There was some beautiful ice glazing the trees in Brooklyn this morning as I walked (carefully!) to the subway. Still, I see that and I always shudder and think of how bad ice storms can get, as in “sending a major city in a highly developed country to the stone age for a few days” bad:

en.wikipedia.org

230 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:05:03am

How Wingnuts Argue On Twitter:

1. False Dichotomy
2. Straw Man
3. Appeal To Authority
4. Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc
5. Ecological Fallacy
6. Mind Projection Fallacy
7. Moving The Goalposts
8. Cherry Picking
9. Ad Hominem
10. Godwin

231 Skip Intro  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:05:14am

re: #128 lawhawk

Obama is the most incompetent Hitler ever.

Just shows what you know. Hitler was only A Nazi, but Obama is a Nazi, Communist, secret Muslim, and he’s had to spend years making his fake birth certificate.

I don’t know why you libturds are so dense.

232 Gus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:05:16am

Me got Roman warrior avi. Me tough guy. Me warrior. Me fight government drones with Roman slingshot. Me strong. Me have Roman warrior avi.

233 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:06:09am

re: #230 Pie-onist Overlord

How Wingnuts Argue On Twitter:

1. False Dichotomy
2. Straw Man
3. Appeal To Authority
4. Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc
5. Ecological Fallacy
6. Mind Projection Fallacy
7. Moving The Goalposts
8. Cherry Picking
9. Ad Hominem
10. Godwin

And that was only this morning!

234 Gus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:06:14am

re: #230 Pie-onist Overlord

How Wingnuts Argue On Twitter:

1. False Dichotomy
2. Straw Man
3. Appeal To Authority
4. Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc
5. Ecological Fallacy
6. Mind Projection Fallacy
7. Moving The Goalposts
8. Cherry Picking
9. Ad Hominem
10. Godwin

1. Derp

FTFY //

235 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:07:12am

re: #220 William Barnett-Lewis

I think she was referring to how the southerners all thought they were such a more Martial people than the North. Sam Houston knew better: “They are not a fiery, impulsive people as you are, for they live in colder climates. But when they begin to move in a given direction, they move with the steady momentum and perseverance of a mighty avalanche… “

Most Northerners were less martial at war’s outset, but the Union army got better once they gained experience and a number of poor quality officers were sidelined. Moreover, they also gained in firepower as the war went on. The provision of breechloading rifles and carbines (many of them repeaters) to the Union army resulted in a major improvement in combat power.

236 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:09:45am

re: #226 William Barnett-Lewis

I prefer “Moron Label” or this image:

Image: image.w174h200f3.jpg

That image I will not use.

237 Ian G.  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:11:07am

re: #220 William Barnett-Lewis

I think she was referring to how the southerners all thought they were such a more Martial people than the North. Sam Houston knew better: “They are not a fiery, impulsive people as you are, for they live in colder climates. But when they begin to move in a given direction, they move with the steady momentum and perseverance of a mighty avalanche… “

I hear an echo of that in Admiral Yamamoto’s feeling about war with the US (side note, I’m aware the “sleeping giant” quote is Hollywood, but it accurately reflects his feelings). The Japanese military rulers, like the fire-eaters down south, seemed to think their martial spirit would overcome the, er, tangible advantages that the US had.

238 Gus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:11:47am

Nothing says “I’m trash” like having “Molon Labe” in your Twitter profile.

239 Ian G.  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:12:46am

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

Most Northerners were less martial at war’s outset, but the Union army got better once they gained experience and a number of poor quality officers were sidelined. Moreover, they also gained in firepower as the war went on. The provision of breechloading rifles and carbines (many of them repeaters) to the Union army resulted in a major improvement in combat power.

I’m no scholar of the Civil War, but I sometimes wonder if the whole damn thing could have been over by Christmas 1862 if the utter incompetent George McClellan hadn’t been in charge for so damn long.

240 Gus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:14:21am

Moron Lame

241 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:14:22am

I don’t know if this is a Fake Quote or not but it kicks ass.

When told that Ulysses Grant had a drinking problem, Lincoln is alleged to have said “Find out what his favorite brand of whisky is, and send a case of it to all my other generals.”

242 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:14:40am

re: #236 Dark_Falcon

That image I will not use.

I expect not, but I will, happily :)

Difference is good, in these as in other things, DF.

Oh, BTW, did you see where I complemented you yesterday? littlegreenfootballs.com

:whistles:

243 Gus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:16:24am

What would have happened if the Confederates had used the ME-262? //

244 JustMark  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:16:47am

re: #198 Dark_Falcon

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Yeah, but do these 3% have drones? Or to quote George Carlin, “flamethrowers”? Idjit

245 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:17:46am

Marco Rubio with some derpage.

246 ObserverArt  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:19:06am

re: #193 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!!! WE HAS LOST ARE FREEDUMBS FORCED TO PAY 4 SOMEBODY ELSE’S PREGANCY!!!!!!11!!

When it comes to #Obamacare we the people should not have to pay for somebody’s healthcare, we should not have to cover their pregancy

Does this dumbass realize that even under classic health insurance plans ‘we the people’ under the same provider he has help pay his healthcare?

Big problem in this country…too many ‘we the people’ are completely ignorant of how things work. But they don’t let ignorance stop them from displaying it to all the other people by proudly tweeting.

Count me out of his group of we the people.

247 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:19:21am

The future for the UK?

248 BusyMonster  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:20:39am

Long thread, lots of amusing comments. Stopped by to say only that Ted Nugent cranking his yawp about balls is super rich. Coming from the gun-brandishing loudmouth who shit himself to avoid the draft, and whose idea of hunting is trapping animals in a pen and shooting them while they try to find a place to hide. WOW. I wonder if Ted will ever have to cash that check his big mouth writes every time he opens it?

249 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:21:11am

re: #245 Justanotherhuman

Marco Rubio with some derpage.

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No Marco, those hoping for the ACA’s failure are like Peyton Manning for most of the Super Bowl: Sitting on the sideline, scowl etched in his face as he watched his legacy collapse atop his head.

250 Gus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:24:41am

re: #245 Justanotherhuman

Marco Rubio with some derpage.

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People hoping ACA will fail are like people who think people that think ACA will work is like hoping Denver Broncos could “come back and win in the 4th quarter” in Super Bowl.

251 kirkspencer  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:24:59am

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

Most Northerners were less martial at war’s outset, but the Union army got better once they gained experience and a number of poor quality officers were sidelined. Moreover, they also gained in firepower as the war went on. The provision of breechloading rifles and carbines (many of them repeaters) to the Union army resulted in a major improvement in combat power.

No, Dark, that’s not quite right.

Let me give a simple demonstration. The first land battles of the Eastern theater were:
Philippi (Union victory)
Big Bethel (Confederate victory)
Hoke’s Run (Union)
Rich Mountain (Union)
Blackburn’s ford (Confederate)
first Bull run (Confederate)

Both sides won and lost battles. And in fact when it was smaller engagements the north won more. Both sides were quite equally matched in quality of soldiers.

I’ll agree on the leadership, to a point. The more adept senior leaders went south. However they all appear to have had a blind spot. They kept over-extending. Once or twice, sure, it’s the weakness of aggressive commanders. But if you keep the same people in command and they keep making the same tactical, operational, or strategic mistake you do not have good leadership.

252 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:26:10am

re: #237 Ian G.

I hear an echo of that in Admiral Yamamoto’s feeling about war with the US (side note, I’m aware the “sleeping giant” quote is Hollywood, but it accurately reflects his feelings). The Japanese military rulers, like the fire-eaters down south, seemed to think their martial spirit would overcome the, er, tangible advantages that the US had.

Recently read parts of the diaries of the German naval attache in Tokyo. They had a very good idea of the relative production capabilities of the US and Japan, and struck when their naval strength would be at its forseeable peak—7:10 in our favor. The elderly equivalent of our Secretary of the Navy supported the attack knowing a) it was inevitable and b) they would lose catastrophically.

253 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:26:34am

re: #246 ObserverArt

That’s how all insurance has worked for the last 3-4 centuries. Insurance companies mitigate potential losses by spreading the risk among a large pool of insurees. This innumerate idiot apparently thinks his premiums only pay for his own personal health care.

254 Gus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:27:07am

Molon Labe is French. Speak American damn it! //

255 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:27:17am

With the evolution/creationist debate of yesterday, and the utterances of so many on the right, I cannot help but think that a substantial element of the RW’ers are retreating into their own reality.

It reminds of the opening quote from E.L. Doctrow’s “Ragtime”:

In 1902, Father built a house at the crest of the Broadview Avenue hill in New Rochelle, New York. There was a lot of sexual fainting. There were no Negroes. There were no immigrants.

Mind you, that’s pulled from my memory; it’s been 20 years since I’ve read that book, and I can’t remember the rest of the quote, but it stuck out in my mind over the decades.

That’s the reality so many on the right are trying to retreat to; a reality where every day is the Fourth of July, and there are no troublesome “others” to disturb them. A reality where God is in His heaven, the band is playing Sousa, and the streets are clean, the houses prim, the white picket fences in good order.

Just like the 20th Century never happened.

256 ObserverArt  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:28:40am

re: #219 b.d.

Good job Jesse! Hide Harder!

Ventura ignored another question from the host asking how he could be off the grid with Internet access.

Read more: politico.com

Jesse had to keep quiet at the point the question was asked. He realized the interviewer was working with the NSA.

That. Damn. Obama.

257 Gus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:29:15am

Trayvon Martin’s birthday today or as I like to think of it, “a good day to fuck with wingnuts’ heads.” :D

258 Gus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:29:35am

Or was that yesterday?

259 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:30:18am

re: #253 wheat-dogghazi

That’s how all insurance has worked for the last 3-4 centuries. Insurance companies mitigate potential losses by spreading the risk among a large pool of insurees. This innumerate idiot apparently thinks his premiums only pay for his own personal health care.

Insurance is Socialism!!!

260 kirkspencer  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:30:34am

re: #239 Ian G.

I’m no scholar of the Civil War, but I sometimes wonder if the whole damn thing could have been over by Christmas 1862 if the utter incompetent George McClellan hadn’t been in charge for so damn long.

Actually (and I’ve run some simulation games that support this) if they’d left Winfield Scott in place it would probably have been done by then.

General Scott, the Grand Old Man of the army, was eased out of overall command when the plan he came up with to defeat the south was ridiculed as the Anaconda plan. See, he said the south was not going to fall in a short victorious war. Instead they had morale and resources sufficient to continue fighting. So the plan was to cut off all the resource points by sea, then seize critical land transfer points, then cut out each of the sections in turn. Overall a two year plan.

Which is actually what wound up being necessary to win. But because the politicians and military glory-seekers insisted he was overstating the south’s abilities he was shoved out and the chief glory-seeker (who had eyes on the presidency springing off his success) was put in charge.

261 Bubblehead II  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:30:43am

Morning Lizards from a very chilly (11F) Twin Falls.

George Zimmerman to fight rapper DMX in celebrity boxing bout

/// Just what I want to spend my money on. Two idiots flailing away at each other.

262 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:34:47am

re: #252 Decatur Deb

Recently read parts of the diaries of the German naval attache in Tokyo. They had a very good idea of the relative production capabilities of the US and Japan, and struck when their naval strength would be at its forseeable peak—7:10 in our favor. The elderly equivalent of our Secretary of the Navy supported the attack knowing a) it was inevitable and b) they would lose catastrophically.

Adm. Yamamoto basically laid it out that the only way for Japan to “win” the war in the Pacific was to put them in a position to dictate terms of their surrender. That any victory over the US Navy would ultimately be brief as the industrial might of the nation would replace the losses far faster than Japan could. So the only hope for Japan was to put themselves in a position where the cost of forcing unconditional surrender would simply be too high.

263 ObserverArt  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:35:57am

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

Most Northerners were less martial at war’s outset, but the Union army got better once they gained experience and a number of poor quality officers were sidelined. Moreover, they also gained in firepower as the war went on. The provision of breechloading rifles and carbines (many of them repeaters) to the Union army resulted in a major improvement in combat power.

And the Union had the Ohio boys…Grant, Sherman and Sheridan among others. Hell yeah…Ohio had much to do with turning the war.

(Proud Ohioan who hates war, but don’t piss us off!)

264 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:36:29am

re: #255 Dr Lizardo

With the evolution/creationist debate of yesterday, and the utterances of so many on the right, I cannot help but think the a substantial element of the RW’ers are retreating into their own reality.

It reminds of the opening quote from E.L. Doctrow’s “Ragtime”:

Mind you, that’s pulled from my memory; it’s been 20 years since I’ve read that book, and I can’t remember the rest of the quote, but it stuck out in my mind over the decades.

That’s the reality so many on the right are trying to retreat to; a reality where every day is the Fourth of July, and there no troublesome “others” to disturb them. A reality where God is in His heaven, the band is playing Sousa, and the streets are clean, the houses prim, the white picket fences in good order.

Just like the 20th Century never happened.

Your memory’s not too bad, just elliptical.

In 1902 Father built a house at the crest of the Broadview Avenue hill in New Rochelle, New York. It was a three-story brown shingle with dormers, bay windows and a screened porch. Striped awnings shaded the windows. The family took possession of this stout manse on a sunny day in June and it seemed for some years thereafter that all their days would be warm and fair. The best part of Father’s income was derived from the manufacture of flags and buntings and other accoutrements of patriotism, including fireworks. Patriotism was a reliable sentiment in the early 1900’s. Teddy Roosevelt was President. The population customarily gathered in great numbers either out of doors for parades, public concerts, fish fries, political picnics, social outings, or indoors in meeting halls, vaudeville theatres, operas, ballrooms. There seemed to be no entertainment that did not involve great swarms of people. Trains and steamers and trolleys moved them from one place to another. That was the style, that was the way people lived. Women were stouter then. They visit the fleet carrying white parasols. Everyone wore white in summer. Tennis racquets were hefty and the racquet faces elliptical. There was a lot of sexual fainting. There were no Negroes. There were no immigrants.

265 ObserverArt  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:37:55am

re: #243 Gus

What would have happened if the Confederates had used the ME-262? //

Don’t ferget them damm V2s!!!

266 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:38:12am

re: #264 wheat-dogghazi

Your memory’s not too bad, just elliptical.

Thanks; the complete quote does it more justice than what I remembered from reading “Ragtime” back in 1991.

267 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:39:16am

re: #265 ObserverArt

Don’t ferget them damm V2s!!!

AK-47’S!

268 Gus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:40:16am

re: #265 ObserverArt

Don’t ferget them damm V2s!!!

WHAT IF THE CONFEDERATES HAD THE NSA!?!?!?!?!

269 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:40:19am

re: #259 Decatur Deb

What is the libertarian take on insurance, I wonder? Insurance is a business, and if he is careful, a lucrative one for the insurer. But insurance mitigates an individual’s risk against loss, by depending on other insured people. Not very John Galt-ish.

270 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:40:44am

Old times here are not forgotten.

Former KKK Leader Pleads Guilty To Cross Burning

talkingpointsmemo.com

Next town over.

271 ObserverArt  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:41:29am

re: #253 wheat-dogghazi

That’s how all insurance has worked for the last 3-4 centuries. Insurance companies mitigate potential losses by spreading the risk among a large pool of insurees. This innumerate idiot apparently thinks his premiums only pay for his own personal health care.

Oh yeah!!! But I kept my comment to modern health insurance. A dude that dense would be overwhelmed by your comment, suffer a heart attack and we the people would have to pay to keep his ignorant ass ticking!

///

272 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:41:40am

re: #266 Dr Lizardo

I found it online, as a PDF. I don’t want to post the link here, as I expect the site has violated the copyright by posting the entire book online.

273 Gus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:42:49am
274 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:42:56am

re: #271 ObserverArt

Oh yeah!!! But I kept my comment to modern health insurance. A dude that dense would be overwhelmed by your comment, suffer a heart attack and we the people would have to pay to keep his ignorant ass ticking!

///

If I enroll 3 more people in ObamaCare I get to be on a death panel.

275 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:43:42am

re: #272 wheat-dogghazi

I found it online, as a PDF. I don’t want to post the link here, as I expect the site has violated the copyright by posting the entire book online.

Ah, OK. Yeah, most likely. I enjoyed the book, though I read it only once. I never saw the film based on it, though have some have told it wasn’t too bad.

276 ObserverArt  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:43:52am

re: #258 Gus

Or was that yesterday?

Doesn’t matter…it is always a good day to fuck with a wingnut’s head.

277 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:44:16am

re: #274 Decatur Deb

If I enroll 3 more people in ObamaCare I get to be on a death panel.

Do you get a percentage of their premiums, too? That’s how Amway works.
//

278 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:45:08am

re: #260 kirkspencer

Actually (and I’ve run some simulation games that support this) if they’d left Winfield Scott in place it would probably have been done by then.

General Scott, the Grand Old Man of the army, was eased out of overall command when the plan he came up with to defeat the south was ridiculed as the Anaconda plan. See, he said the south was not going to fall in a short victorious war. Instead they had morale and resources sufficient to continue fighting. So the plan was to cut off all the resource points by sea, then seize critical land transfer points, then cut out each of the sections in turn. Overall a two year plan.

Which is actually what wound up being necessary to win. But because the politicians and military glory-seekers insisted he was overstating the south’s abilities he was shoved out and the chief glory-seeker (who had eyes on the presidency springing off his success) was put in charge.

The problem was that Gen. Scott was telling politicians something that politicians never want to hear. Because if the war is going to be something other than “the short, victorious war” then there’s a good chance the leading politicians in place at the start of the war are going to be out on their collective ear before its over due to public dissatisfaction.

In most ways you cant’ blame politicians for such concerns: Politicians in a democratic country need to be popular to be successful, and telling people enthusiastic for a quick victory that the ultimate triumph will only be reached after years of bloodshed is likely to be violently unpopular. It thusly did not matter if Gen. Scott was militarily right; The politics of the situation demanded an “On to Richmond!” direct advance on the Confederate capital.

279 Gus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:45:10am

Look! Here’s a scientist that believes in creationism. Therefore, creationism is fact and your evolution argument is invalid!

280 JustMark  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:45:51am

re: #253 wheat-dogghazi

That’s how all insurance has worked for the last 3-4 centuries. Insurance companies mitigate potential losses by spreading the risk among a large pool of insurees. This innumerate idiot apparently thinks his premiums only pay for his own personal health care.

Little thing called “the Law of Large Numbers” - Insurance 101. They should look in to it.

281 Gus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:46:33am

Look! Here’s a truck driver that believes in creationism! Therefore, your argument is invalid! //

282 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:47:00am

re: #278 Dark_Falcon

The problem was that Gen. Scott was telling politicians something that politicians >never want to hear. Because if the war is going to be something other than “the short, victorious war” then there’s a good chance the leading politicians in place at the start of the war are going to be out on their collective ear before its over due to public dissatisfaction.

In most ways you cant’ blame politicians for such concerns: Politicians in a democratic country need to be popular to be successful, and telling people enthusiastic for a quick victory that the ultimate triumph will only be reached after years of bloodshed is likely to be violently unpopular. It thusly did not matter if Gen. Scott was militarily right; The politics of the situation demanded an “On to Richmond!” direct advance on the Confederate capital.

GEN Scott = GEN Shinseki

283 Gus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:47:14am

Your. You’re. Autopilot.

284 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:47:30am

re: #275 Dr Lizardo

Ah, OK. Yeah, most likely. I enjoyed the book, though I read it only once. I never saw the film based on it, though have some have told it wasn’t too bad.

I saw it, ages ago. It was pretty good, and the soundtrack was great. It’s tough making a detailed book like Ragtime into a movie without losing some of the essence of the text.

Book came out in ‘74, same year I entered college.

285 Dr. Matt  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:48:03am

re: #253 wheat-dogghazi

That’s how all insurance has worked for the last 3-4 centuries. Insurance companies mitigate potential losses by spreading the risk among a large pool of insurees. This innumerate idiot apparently thinks his premiums only pay for his own personal health care.

I had a “debate” with a RWNJ that actually believed premiums go up every time someone uses their health care plan. In other words if someone gets an Rx for a new med (i.e., birth control), your monthly premium increases to account for that new Rx. The stupidity hurts really, really bad.

286 ObserverArt  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:48:33am

re: #260 kirkspencer

Actually (and I’ve run some simulation games that support this) if they’d left Winfield Scott in place it would probably have been done by then.

General Scott, the Grand Old Man of the army, was eased out of overall command when the plan he came up with to defeat the south was ridiculed as the Anaconda plan. See, he said the south was not going to fall in a short victorious war. Instead they had morale and resources sufficient to continue fighting. So the plan was to cut off all the resource points by sea, then seize critical land transfer points, then cut out each of the sections in turn. Overall a two year plan.

Which is actually what wound up being necessary to win. But because the politicians and military glory-seekers insisted he was overstating the south’s abilities he was shoved out and the chief glory-seeker (who had eyes on the presidency springing off his success) was put in charge.

That bit I highlighted in bold…points out some things never change.

Put that on a plaque and send it off to some folks like Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, McCain, Graham, and the like…

(Grrrrr…there is the forget history thing again)

287 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:48:50am

re: #267 Pie-onist Overlord

AK-47’S!

Yeah, but wingnuts reading that book likely wouldn’t enjoy it much. It’s far more complicated than just “The South Wins!!1” and it depicts the historical figures in it as human beings, not as charactertures.

288 Dr. Matt  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:49:13am

re: #274 Decatur Deb

If I enroll 3 more people in ObamaCare I get to be on a death panel.

Do you still get to keep your job working as a FEMA camp watchguard?

289 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:50:29am

re: #288 Dr. Matt

Do you still get to keep your job working as a FEMA camp watchguard?

It’s TDY with a nice per diem under the Joint Travel Regulations.

290 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:51:35am

re: #288 Dr. Matt

Do you still get to keep your job working as a FEMA camp watchguard?

Not only that, he gets an AR-10 grabbed from a True Patriot and gets to use it gun down any who try to escape as well as anyone who resists becoming a loyal Obot.

//

291 b.d.  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:51:50am

I don’t want to live in a society that blah, blah, blah….

NBC: All Visitors to Sochi Olympics Immediately Hacked
//
“Malicious software hijacked our phone before we even finished our coffee, stealing my information, and giving hackers the option to tap and record my phone calls.”

nbcnews.com

292 ObserverArt  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:52:19am

re: #267 Pie-onist Overlord

AK-47’S!

What (the fuck is this shit)???

I had to put that in something you’d understand.

; )

293 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:52:56am

re: #284 wheat-dogghazi

I saw it, ages ago. It was pretty good, and the soundtrack was great. It’s tough making a detailed book like Ragtime into a movie without losing some of the essence of the text.

Book came out in ‘74, same year I entered college.

The book, as I recall, is not purely a linear narrative. It jumped around a little bit especially when it was mentioning historic figures like Harry Houdini. I remember that J.P. Morgan, Henry Ford, Evelyn Nesbitt and Emma Goldman figured prominently in the book, especially Goldman and Nesbitt.

294 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:53:21am

JANIE CAN HAS ALL TEH DERP!!!!

295 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:53:23am

re: #285 Dr. Matt

I had a “debate” with a RWNJ that actually believed premiums go up every time someone uses their health care plan. In other words if someone gets an Rx for a new med (i.e., birth control), your monthly premium increases to account for that new Rx. The stupidity hurts really, really bad.

Remember, these are the same people who want the government to stay out of their Social Security and Medicare, and who think their own SSA payroll deductions will be paying their retirement benefits. These are not the sharpest tools in the shed.

296 ObserverArt  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:53:44am

re: #268 Gus

WHAT IF THE CONFEDERATES HAD THE NSA!?!?!?!?!

We’d would’a’ had Jesse Ventura.

And observation balloons!

297 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:54:33am

re: #195 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURRRRR!!!!!!

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They are aware that ‘The Adversary’ is a code word for Satan, are they niot?

298 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:55:55am

re: #293 Dr Lizardo

The book, as I recall, is not purely a linear narrative. It jumped around a little bit especially when it was mentioning historic figures like Harry Houdini. I remember that J.P. Morgan, Henry Ford, Evelyn Nesbitt and Emma Goldman figured prominently in the book, especially Goldman and Nesbitt.

Right. Doctorow weaved several sub-plots throughout the novel. Difficult to film in a way that makes sense. I suggest Cloud Atlas (film) as an example of where it didn’t work so well.

299 Gus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:56:10am

re: #294 Pie-onist Overlord

JANIE CAN HAS ALL TEH DERP!!!!

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Same thing every day for these people. When will they realize that freaking out like this won’t make any difference to their empty lives?

300 ObserverArt  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:56:38am

re: #280 JustMark

Little thing called “the Law of Large Numbers” - Insurance 101. They should look in to it.

Not ‘nuff fingers and toes!

301 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:58:13am

re: #220 William Barnett-Lewis

I think she was referring to how the southerners all thought they were such a more Martial people than the North. Sam Houston knew better: “They are not a fiery, impulsive people as you are, for they live in colder climates. But when they begin to move in a given direction, they move with the steady momentum and perseverance of a mighty avalanche… “

Which is pretty much what Yamamoto said after Pearl Harbor. Don’t piss off Americans.

302 GunstarGreen  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 7:58:44am

re: #294 Pie-onist Overlord

JANIE CAN HAS ALL TEH DERP!!!!

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Because five years of actually being the President of the United States doesn’t count as ‘experience’ in the eyes of idiot right-wingers.

If I had the money, I’d ship them all a crate of birdseed. Fucking parrots, all of them.

WROCK! NO EXPERIENCE, NO EXPERIENCE! WROCK, EMPTY SUIT! WROOOOOOOOOOOCK!

303 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:00:00am

re: #223 Ian G.

A hunter with his Winchester 30.06 vs. an Apache helicopter and its full complement of Hellfires, hydra rockets, and 30 mm cannon. I know who I’d take in that fight.

And with infra-red optics to pick the ‘hunter’ out from his camouflage.

I see you. BOOM!

304 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:01:12am

305 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:02:34am

re: #278 Dark_Falcon

The problem was that Gen. Scott was telling politicians something that politicians >never want to hear. Because if the war is going to be something other than “the short, victorious war” then there’s a good chance the leading politicians in place at the start of the war are going to be out on their collective ear before its over due to public dissatisfaction.

In most ways you cant’ blame politicians for such concerns: Politicians in a democratic country need to be popular to be successful, and telling people enthusiastic for a quick victory that the ultimate triumph will only be reached after years of bloodshed is likely to be violently unpopular. It thusly did not matter if Gen. Scott was militarily right; The politics of the situation demanded an “On to Richmond!” direct advance on the Confederate capital.

True enough.

But it remains that Winfield Scott was one of the greatest generals in American history and his training of the forces prior to the Battle Of Chippawa was one of the greatest achievements in Army history.

306 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:02:51am

re: #292 ObserverArt

What (the fuck is this shit)???

I had to put that in something you’d understand.

; )

It’s not what you think, and its not a wingnut book at all.

307 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:04:34am

re: #247 Justanotherhuman

The future for the UK?

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Looks like a picture out of John Wyndham’s The Kraken Wakes.

308 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:05:09am

re: #305 William Barnett-Lewis

True enough.

But it remains that Winfield Scott was one of the greatest generals in American history and his training of the forces prior to the Battle Of Chippawa was one of the greatest achievements in Army history.

True that. “Those are regulars, by God!” is what one of the British officers at Chippawa said after seeing Scott’s Left Division maneuver under fire.

309 Gus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:08:20am

Hitler used the science of flight to terrorize Europe therefore the science of flight is evil. //

310 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:09:59am

re: #303 Romantic Heretic

And with infra-red optics to pick the ‘hunter’ out from his camouflage.

I see you. BOOM!

The nutjobs are marketing tinfoil insulating shrouds to counter that. Not joking.

311 ObserverArt  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:10:48am

re: #306 Dark_Falcon

It’s not what you think, and its not a wingnut book at all.

I understand that Dark…but can you tell me that some southern wingnut types wouldn’t get a big hard-on regarding that fiction and think…”damn, just think if that was true, we’d a had them damn yankees!”

Oh, and by the way Dark…I can read (the link!)

: )

312 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:11:20am

HURR HURR!!!!! HARD WORK ONLY HAS VALUE WHEN IT’S LESS THAN MINIMUM WAGE!!!!11!!!!!

313 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:13:20am

re: #310 Decatur Deb

The physics major in me says tinfoil covers would not mask IR signatures very well. Even aluminized mylar emergency blankets do not reflect 100% of your body heat back in.

314 Gus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:17:24am

Lincoln Dakota War hanging - Google Search

315 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:17:36am

re: #313 wheat-dogghazi

The physics major in me says tinfoil covers would not mask IR signatures very well. Even aluminized mylar emergency blankets do not reflect 100% of your body heat back in.

The actual products discussed are based on a space-blanket tech with additional insulating layers. Would light up like a beacon under an active IR source. They seem to be produced by small cottage industries, using supersecret lessons-learned by the Taliban.

316 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:18:12am

re: #310 Decatur Deb

The nutjobs are marketing tinfoil insulating shrouds to counter that. Not joking.

Won’t those be a wee bit warm to sit under for any extended period of time?

317 ObserverArt  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:19:30am

That cartoon was missing a little detail. With apologies to the original artist, I had to touch it up just a tiny bit. And I love the cartoon.

Anyone?

(Yeah…I’m going to hell…but it’s my curse as an observer of the human condition)

318 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:19:59am

Gosh, the Sochi games haven’t even started yet and they’re already a mess. It’s going to be a long two weeks folks.

319 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:20:30am

re: #316 Feline Fearless Leader

Won’t those be a wee bit warm to sit under for any extended period of time?

Not as warm as 25mm Bushmaster fire.

320 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:20:35am

re: #295 wheat-dogghazi

Remember, these are the same people who want the government to stay out of their Social Security and Medicare, and who think their own SSA payroll deductions will be paying their retirement benefits. These are not the sharpest tools in the shed.

In the knife drawer of life, they are the meat mallet.

321 Gus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:21:45am

There was nothing noble about being able to buy your way out of fighting in the Civil War for the Union.

322 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:22:07am

re: #317 ObserverArt

That cartoon was missing a little detail. With apologies to the original artist, I had to touch it up just a tiny bit. And I love the cartoon.

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Anyone?

(Yeah…I’m going to hell…but it’s my curse as an observer of the human condition)

You removed the beards on the guys.

323 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:24:10am

re: #312 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!! HARD WORK ONLY HAS VALUE WHEN IT’S LESS THAN MINIMUM WAGE!!!!11!!!!!

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That guy should try picking tobacco for a while. He’d get over his hard work fetish really fast.

324 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:24:52am

re: #317 ObserverArt

That cartoon was missing a little detail. With apologies to the original artist, I had to touch it up just a tiny bit. And I love the cartoon.

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Anyone?

(Yeah…I’m going to hell…but it’s my curse as an observer of the human condition)

I don’t see a Bible on the shelves.

325 Gus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:25:03am

New York City in the American Civil War

New York City during the American Civil War (1861-1865) was a bustling American city that provided a major source of troops, supplies, equipment and financing for the Union Army. Powerful New York politicians and newspaper editors helped shape public opinion toward the war effort and the policies of President Abraham Lincoln. The port of New York, a major entry point for immigrants, served as recruiting grounds for the Army. Irish and Germans participated in the war at a high rate.

The city’s strong commercial ties to the South, its growing immigrant population, and anger about conscription led to divided sympathies, with some business men favoring the Confederacy and other opinion in favor of the Union. The Draft Riots of 1863, provoked by fears of labor competition and resentment of wealthy men being able to buy their way out of the draft, was one of the worst incidents of civil unrest in American history and featured widespread ethnic Irish violence against blacks in the city…

326 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:25:32am

re: #320 Eventual Carrion

In the knife drawer of life, they are the meat mallet spork.

FTFY.

327 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:25:35am

re: #322 Eclectic Cyborg

You removed the beards on the guys.

Added them actually. I’m guessing its a Duck Dynasty riff.

328 ObserverArt  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:26:20am

re: #322 Eclectic Cyborg

You removed the beards on the guys.

The original is in #304.

329 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:26:48am

Remember that guy who called me a “numbnuts” last night?

330 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:27:12am

Time Warner Cable to give $5 to customers who missed one hour of Super Bowl due to TV error

Yes, you read that right, just $5.

Wow.

331 ObserverArt  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:27:19am

re: #324 Pie-onist Overlord

I don’t see a Bible on the shelves.

That would be good to add too!

; )

332 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:27:43am

re: #323 Romantic Heretic

That guy should try picking tobacco for a while. He’d get over his hard work fetish really fast.

We’ve been working as a species for centuries to develop better and simpler ways to get the most work done with the least amount of effort. Yet these dumbfucks think that if you’re not sweating, then you’re not working. I’d like to see them take that philosophy to Wall Street.

333 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:28:00am

re: #329 Pie-onist Overlord

Remember that guy who called me a “numbnuts” last night?

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Bless these boobs for putting their murderous little minds out there for all to see.

334 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:28:38am

re: #328 ObserverArt

The original is in #304.

Bah, I got it backwards!

335 Dr. Matt  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:28:44am

re: #324 Pie-onist Overlord

I don’t see a Bible on the shelves.

Where is the Duck Dynasty beef jerky, Sarah Palin’s autobiography, and poster of Ronnie Raygun?

336 danarchy  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:29:10am

re: #330 Eclectic Cyborg

Time Warner Cable to give $5 to customers who missed one hour of Super Bowl due to TV error

Yes, you read that right, just $5.

Wow.

Well it isn’t like they actually missed anything worth watching…

337 ObserverArt  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:29:50am

re: #334 Eclectic Cyborg

Bah, I got it backwards!

You still win though!

Good eye.

Am I right in my observation?

338 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:30:39am

re: #317 ObserverArt

That cartoon was missing a little detail. With apologies to the original artist, I had to touch it up just a tiny bit. And I love the cartoon.

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Anyone?

(Yeah…I’m going to hell…but it’s my curse as an observer of the human condition)

Made me think of this.

Youtube Video

339 Gus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:30:49am

Cold. Fahrenheit and Centigrade.

340 Political Atheist  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:31:09am

re: #330 Eclectic Cyborg

Time Warner Cable to give $5 to customers who missed one hour of Super Bowl due to TV error

Yes, you read that right, just $5.

Wow.

About right considering the game.
/// *ducks & runs*

341 darthstar  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:31:16am

re: #273 Gus

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I have a few friends who travel to Russia frequently on business. They carry a different computer and mobile phone with them when they go - used exclusively for travel there.

342 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:32:03am

re: #325 Gus

New York City in the American Civil War

I have a small diary kept by my great-great-grandaunt, who lived in Brooklyn. Most of her notations were prosaic stuff, like visiting so-and-so. One mentioned the riots in Manhattan. She was horrified. She also complained about rising food and coal costs, because of the war, and the “spells” her husband suffered. I gather he was not quite right in the head.

While she didn’t say very much in this little book, it was moving to hold in my hands a “tweet” of what was happening on that day.

343 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:32:29am

re: #325 Gus

The movie Gangs of New York only hinted at the true scope of the violence from those draft riots (though the movie conflated events and portrayed Five Points as being the epicenter of riots, when it was actually a haven for African Americans fleeing other parts of Manhattan).

344 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:32:46am

Temporary moment of sanity sighting…

345 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:34:04am

re: #329 Pie-onist Overlord

Remember, it’s never too soon to call for mental health assistance. Or law enforcement.

346 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:34:09am

re: #344 Targetpractice

Temporary moment of sanity sighting…

Or perhaps political realization that moaning about something that is indicating greater freedom for workers is *not* a good strategy.

347 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:35:47am

re: #321 Gus

There was nothing noble about being able to buy your way out of fighting in the Civil War for the Union.

You were also exempted from service in the Confederate army if you owned more than ten slaves…

348 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:35:52am

re: #346 Feline Fearless Leader

Or perhaps political realization that moaning about something that is indicating greater freedom for workers is *not* a good strategy.

I said temporary moment. Paulie acknowledges that the ACA is not saying 2 million jobs will be lost, but then immediately starts the whole “dignity of work” routine again.

349 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:36:09am

re: #344 Targetpractice

He was hoping to get the CBO on the record as blaming Obamacare for firing people, or people losing jobs, but this is about people choosing to not work because they’re no longer tied to jobs for their health insurance.

350 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:36:52am

ATTN WINGNUTS:

Phillip Seymour Hoffman did not die of a “pot” overdose.

351 EmmaAnne  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:37:06am

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Will someone please tell me the trick of making these kinds of images big enough to see? I can’t figure it out, other than some kludge.

352 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:37:31am

re: #347 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

You were also exempted from service the Confederate army if you owned more than ten slaves…

20.

353 Gus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:37:32am

re: #347 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

You were also exempted from service the Confederate army if you owned more than ten slaves…

$300 to avoid the Union draft.

354 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:38:08am

re: #353 Gus

$300 to avoid the Union draft.

cheaper than ten slaves…

355 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:38:31am

re: #353 Gus

$300 to avoid the Union draft.

Which was a LOT of money then, so only rich folks could afford to pay.

356 GlutenFreeJesus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:38:44am

He’s still alive or not in prison? Surprise.

357 Gus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:39:08am

re: #354 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

cheaper than ten slaves…

Perhaps. But the rich could weasel their way out of the Union draft for $300.

358 freetoken  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:39:24am

re: #353 Gus

I have a gg gf, a ggg gf, and several gg grand uncles who were in the War of the Rebellion. All of them volunteered, but I suspect that out in the western part of the US at that time that there were more young (and not so young) men gung-ho for war than perhaps in the major cities on the east coast.

359 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:40:17am

re: #353 Gus

$300 to avoid the Union draft.

Using westegg.com that’s roughly $5500 today. Not exactly pocket change for most people. Still I would have rather it that draft not had that loophole at all.

360 Gus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:40:49am

$300 (1862) X $23.26 = $6,978 (+/-)

361 ObserverArt  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:41:01am

re: #344 Targetpractice

Temporary moment of sanity sighting…

“Just to understand, it is not that employers are laying people off.” — Paul Ryan on Obamacare:

Well damn, look at that.

Is this a signal the Republicans with a bit of brain matter realize it is time to use it and start dumping some tea?

We shall see.

It will possibly be costly to those brave enough to take them on, but for Republicans that want to keep the party alive and meaningful to the real people and centrists, it needs to be done.

362 freetoken  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:41:43am

re: #359 William Barnett-Lewis

The US needed to raise money to fight the war, and $300 then was more than that $5500 today implies.

The rich always have the poor fight their wars for them. We do that today, too.

363 Bubblehead II  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:42:14am

re: #339 Gus

Cold. Fahrenheit and Centigrade.

No, this is cold.

:-)

364 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:42:59am

re: #361 ObserverArt

Well damn, look at that.

Is this a signal the Republicans with a bit of brain matter realize it is time to use it and start dumping some tea?

We shall see.

It will possibly be costly to those brave enough to take them on, but for Republicans that want to keep the party alive and meaningful to the real people and centrists, it needs to be done.

It’s like lawhawk said, it was Ryan trying to get the CBO on record saying that the ACA would kill jobs, and it didn’t happen. So they’re gonna go with a different tack, that of it being a “bad thing” that millions of Americans will choose to work less or even retire early.

365 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:44:11am

re: #363 Bubblehead II

No, this is cold.

:-)

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Absolute zero. Hard to get your car started, for sure!

366 blueraven  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:45:24am

re: #351 EmmaAnne

Will someone please tell me the trick of making these kinds of images big enough to see? I can’t figure it out, other than some kludge.

You can sometimes, right click then “open image in a new tab” depending on browser.

367 ObserverArt  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:47:53am

re: #364 Targetpractice

It’s like lawhawk said, it was Ryan trying to get the CBO on record saying that the ACA would kill jobs, and it didn’t happen. So they’re gonna go with a different tack, that of it being a “bad thing” that millions of Americans will choose to work less or even retire early.

Yeah, you’re both probably right. I had a moment of hope for some sanity. I tend to be positive and hopeful that all of America grows a brain…and uses it.

Sigh.

368 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:49:49am

Heh…

Don’t I wish…

369 freetoken  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:52:30am

Checked a few fundamentalists’ comments about the “debate” last night.

The delusion hasn’t budged one millimeter.

370 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:53:15am

Ya think?

Rep. Raul Labrador, R-Idaho, on immigration reform: I think it’s a mistake for us to have an internal battle inside the Republican Party this year - @ChadPergram

371 Gus  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:53:39am

re: #369 freetoken

Checked a few fundamentalists’ comments about the “debate” last night.

The delusion hasn’t budged one millimeter.

Hard to believe! //

372 Joanne  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:54:39am

re: #110 Pie-onist Overlord

Good morning from snowy Dearborn.

I looked out the window this morning and it looked like only about 1” on the ground even though the weather service was screaming >UP TO 6”!!!!

The drive only took 30 minutes (normally 20) but by the time I got to the Detroit/Dearborn border the snow was coming down really hard. Not a lot of traffic at this time.

We’re not too far away from each other and up here we got 6” easily and for a good part of the morning it was completely whiteout. I couldn’t see the school across the street. Now it’s just lightly snowing.

373 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:54:52am

re: #370 Justanotherhuman

Ya think?

Rep. Raul Labrador, R-Idaho, on immigration reform: I think it’s a mistake for us to have an internal battle inside the Republican Party this year - @ChadPergram

…so we should just cave in to the right wing and hope for the best.

374 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:55:12am

re: #364 Targetpractice

It’s like lawhawk said, it was Ryan trying to get the CBO on record saying that the ACA would kill jobs, and it didn’t happen. So they’re gonna go with a different tack, that of it being a “bad thing” that millions of Americans will choose to work less or even retire early.

From Paul Ryan’s perspective, its a bad thing. Remember, he’s chair of the budget committee and he’d prefer if those people kept working and thus paying more in taxes and consuming less in terms of government services.

375 Ian G.  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:55:55am

re: #350 Pie-onist Overlord

ATTN WINGNUTS:

Phillip Seymour Hoffman did not die of a “pot” overdose.

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Besides the fact that it’s impossible to OD on marijuana, who is making Phillip Seymour Hoffman into a left-wing hero? I mean, he was a fantastic actor and it sucks big time that he’s gone (not the least for his young family), but he’s my hero now? What?

376 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:56:40am

re: #373 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

…so we should just cave in to the right wing and hope for the best.

Yeah, but he also said this:

377 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:56:44am

re: #375 Ian G.

Besides the fact that it’s impossible to OD on marijuana, who is making Phillip Seymour Hoffman into a left-wing hero? I mean, he was a fantastic actor and it sucks big time that he’s gone (not the least for his young family), but he’s my hero now? What?

Just like Nat Hentoff is a “Liberal Icon”

378 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:59:17am

Please proceed “Patriots”

379 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:59:31am

re: #374 Dark_Falcon

Job lock isn’t a good thing. Letting people stop working on one side doesn’t reduce demand. Moreover, it would now allow people to begin working on their own innovative ideas - starting their own businesses knowing that they’d have health insurance coverage that wouldn’t have been possible but a few years ago.

If he’s looking purely at tax revenues, then he’s given up the game. The game is that the tax burden is predominantly on those least able to afford it. And for all the GOP’s efforts, people realize this is the case and that there’s a fundamental unfairness of having people who have the ability to pay more to keep society functioning aren’t doing so and that the system has been twisted around so that one political party is beholden to protecting that entitled class.

380 Bubblehead II  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:59:44am

re: #365 wheat-dogghazi

Absolute zero. Hard to get your car started, for sure!

Yeah, surprised the hell out of me when I saw that. After about 3-5 minutes, it returned to normal operation.

381 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:00:20am

re: #375 Ian G.

Besides the fact that it’s impossible to OD on marijuana, who is making Phillip Seymour Hoffman into a left-wing hero? I mean, he was a fantastic actor and it sucks big time that he’s gone (not the least for his young family), but he’s my hero now? What?

It could the wingnuts are hearing a garbled version of this story:

Rep. Cohen: Ask Philip Seymour Hoffman If Pot Is As Dangerous As Heroin

Rep. Steve Cohen (D-TN) on Tuesday cited the death of actor Philip Seymour Hoffman while arguing that the federal government shouldn’t treat marijuana and harder drugs like heroin equally.

“It is ludicrous, absurd, crazy to have marijuana in the same level as heroin,” Cohen said during a House Oversight Committee hearing on marijuana policy. “Ask the late Philip Seymour Hoffman, if you could. Nobody dies from marijuana. People die from heroin.”

Hoffman was found dead in his New York City apartment on Sunday with a syringe in his arm. More than 50 bags of heroin were also recovered from the apartment by police.

During the hearing Cohen urged the deputy director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy, Michael Botticelli, to reconsider classifying marijuana as a Schedule I drug with a high potential for abuse like heroin. He also chastised the federal government for jailing those charged with marijuana possession, which he called a a “waste of resources.”

382 freetoken  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:00:24am

re: #378 Pie-onist Overlord

Bet she’s a creationist.

383 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:03:18am

re: #382 freetoken

Bet she’s a creationist.

There is actually very little mention of the creation debate on Teh TCOTs.

384 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:03:43am

This would be funny if the Republicans weren’t so pathetic.

GOP strategy on debt ceiling stalls

washingtonpost.com

“On Monday, House Republicans discussed linking a one-year extension of the federal government’s borrowing authority to a repeal of some provisions of the Affordable Care Act. The second idea was to trade trade approval of the Keystone XL pipeline for a one-year extension. Both ideas were debated at a conference meeting and members expected the conference to coalesce around one of the plans by later this week.

“That playbook soon fizzled, however, once GOP leadership aides fanned out throughout the Capitol to take the temperature of members about the plans. Instead of finding growing support, they found unease and complaints, with myriad concerns raised by the House’s right flank.

(snip)

“Three House GOP aides, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations, said Boehner is now likely to bring up a package that could win Democratic votes. A clean extension - one without strings attached - is also on the speaker’s radar, due to his colleagues inability to rally behind a plan.”

385 bratwurst  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:06:10am

You would have thought that after the whole awful Grantland business last month, folks in the media would have learned something about trans people…but no:

Piers Morgan Denounces Transgender Guest After She Criticizes His Interview

In an interview with BuzzFeed after her appearance, Mock took Morgan to task for trying to “sensationalize” her life in the interview. Mock objected to Morgan’s focus on her physical appearance - at the beginning of the segment, he marveled that he’d never have guessed “you had ever been a boy”

386 freetoken  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:06:13am

re: #378 Pie-onist Overlord

387 EmmaAnne  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:06:58am

re: #366 blueraven

You can sometimes, right click then “open image in a new tab” depending on browser.

Yeah, but for twitter images it just opens the tweet and they don’t embiggen properly (at least for me).

388 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:07:11am
389 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:08:13am

re: #384 Justanotherhuman

This would be funny if the Republicans weren’t so pathetic.

GOP strategy on debt ceiling stalls

washingtonpost.com

“On Monday, House Republicans discussed linking a one-year extension of the federal government’s borrowing authority to a repeal of some provisions of the Affordable Care Act. The second idea was to trade trade approval of the Keystone XL pipeline for a one-year extension. Both ideas were debated at a conference meeting and members expected the conference to coalesce around one of the plans by later this week.

“That playbook soon fizzled, however, once GOP leadership aides fanned out throughout the Capitol to take the temperature of members about the plans. Instead of finding growing support, they found unease and complaints, with myriad concerns raised by the House’s right flank.

(snip)

“Three House GOP aides, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations, said Boehner is now likely to bring up a package that could win Democratic votes. A clean extension - one without strings attached - is also on the speaker’s radar, due to his colleagues inability to rally behind a plan.”

Anything but a clean bill will likely be a non-starter. Unless he’s offering to extend UI for however long the debt ceiling goes for, then I might consider supporting the bill.

390 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:08:31am

re: #386 freetoken


Assuming facts not in evidence.

391 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:08:46am

re: #388 Pie-onist Overlord

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Why would they be? Wikileaks is Russia’s bitch.

392 Skip Intro  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:10:10am

re: #390 Pie-onist Overlord

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Assuming facts not in evidence.

But Sowell is an intellectual. This is all so confusing.

393 bratwurst  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:10:10am

re: #388 Pie-onist Overlord

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And here I assumed that defending the sanctity of the WikiLeaks site would have been high on the priority list of authorities in the US and Britain. /

394 freetoken  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:11:11am

re: #390 Pie-onist Overlord

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Assuming facts not in evidence.

…. so… thinking might actually hurt her?

395 Ian G.  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:11:12am

re: #386 freetoken

Wingnut parroting talking points can’t grasp subtlety, but Sowell is enough of a fanatic and (yes) and intellectual to know that his goal is to convince people that the social democracies of Scandinavia are the same thing as North Korea. That’s what he’s doing here.

396 freetoken  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:12:10am

re: #395 Ian G.

Sowell stopped adding anything of substance years ago. Ever since Obama been’s elected he’s just an been an Allen West, with more syllables.

397 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:12:59am

re: #378 Pie-onist Overlord

Please proceed “Patriots”

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OK, I see an idiot who managed to get elected as governor of Alaska before quitting, but who’s that other guy?

398 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:14:35am

HURR HURR!!!!!!

399 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:15:35am

re: #388 Pie-onist Overlord

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Because they don’t give a good goddamn if Wikileaks gets hacked, nor should they. Assange essentially declared himself to be the enemy of the US and UK, and that has consequences.

400 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:16:29am

re: #398 Pie-onist Overlord

Refusing to comment about the brutal conditions of your host country (up to and including rampant civil and human rights violations) is indeed an issue. That goes for Brazil and Russia all while he maintains an absolute focus solely on those perceived failings of the US.

401 Dr. Matt  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:16:39am

re: #375 Ian G.

Besides the fact that it’s impossible to OD on marijuana….

Technically, just about anything is toxic at excessive amounts. I’m sure there’s some data out there recommending an LD50 for marijuana.

402 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:16:53am

re: #398 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!!!

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I file that one under the “true, but a dodge” category.

403 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:17:51am

re: #400 lawhawk

Refusing to comment about the brutal conditions of your host country (up to and including rampant civil and human rights violations) is indeed an issue. That goes for Brazil and Russia all while he maintains an absolute focus solely on those perceived failings of the US.

It may not mean that he supports police brutality in Brazil or malaria in Eritrea but it damn sure means he does not give a shit, because it’s “not his problem.”

404 Dr. Matt  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:18:44am

re: #388 Pie-onist Overlord

While US & UK are obsessed with hunting down teenage hackers who do DDOS attacks, they never investigated massive attack on WikiLeaks’ site
— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) February 5, 2014

Now he’s trying a bit too hard to troll.

405 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:19:20am

Wingnuts totally flogging this meme today.

406 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:19:45am

re: #395 Ian G.

Wingnut parroting talking points can’t grasp subtlety, but Sowell is enough of a fanatic and (yes) and intellectual to know that his goal is to convince people that the social democracies of Scandinavia are the same thing as North Korea. That’s what he’s doing here.

He is such a dishonest little hack. If they wanted to quote a real economist they could stick to Milton Friedman… Unfortunately, he wrote what he felt was true so that’s not got a high enough lie quotient for them.

407 bratwurst  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:21:18am

re: #397 Dark_Falcon

OK, I see an idiot who managed to get elected as governor of Alaska before quitting, but who’s that other guy?

That is the guy you might well be voting for in 2016…get to know him!

408 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:21:29am

Chase to pay $614M for defrauding Uncle Sam for years, no one going to prison

JPMorgan Chase & Co. is running up quite the legal tab this year. On Tuesday, that tab grew by $614 million when the company agreed to settle its latest legal woe with the U.S. government.

JPMorgan Chase & Co agreed to pay $614 million to the U.S. government and admitted to defrauding federal agencies, Reuters reports.

As part of the settlement JPMorgan Chase admitted it defrauded federal agencies for over a decade by approving thousands of insured loans that were not eligible for insurance by the Federal Housing Administration and the Department of Veteran Affairs. When the unqualified loans failed both the FHA and VA incurred substantial losses.

The bank is just one of several, including Citigroup Inc and Deutsche Bank AG, that faced similar allegations and reached settlements. Last October, Bank of America Corp was found liable by a jury for fraud over mortgages sold by its Countrywide unit; the Justice Department is seeking $2.1 billion in penalties in that case.

Forget “Too big to Jail”, it’s actually “Too rich to jail”

409 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:21:35am

re: #397 Dark_Falcon

OK, I see an idiot who managed to get elected as governor of Alaska before quitting, but who’s that other guy?

Cruz, I think.

410 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:22:37am

re: #406 William Barnett-Lewis

He is such a dishonest little hack. If they wanted to quote a real economist they could stick to Milton Friedman… Unfortunately, he wrote what he felt was true so that’s not got a high enough lie quotient for them.

Wingnuts also have a supply of cherry-picked Friedman quotes but they have less value than Thomas Sowell quotes because Sowell quotes (sometimes attributed to Walter Williams because, you know, they all look alike) are also HURR HURR U CAN’TS SAYS I’M TEH RACIST!!!!!!!

411 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:23:00am

re: #405 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts totally flogging this meme today.

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Yeah, because there’s already so much incentive to work for piss-poor wages and the ball-and-chain of employer-provided insurance.

412 kirkspencer  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:23:04am

re: #390 Pie-onist Overlord

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Assuming facts not in evidence.

JJ, explain Sweden. or Iceland.

413 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:23:20am

re: #391 Targetpractice

Why would they be? Wikileaks is Russia’s bitch.

Not to mention that part of an investigation would probably include being given access to the site to look at their logs and set-up in order to ascertain part of how the attack happened. And I imagine that Wikileaks would have bent over backwards in helping with that.
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414 Ian G.  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:24:01am

re: #406 William Barnett-Lewis

He is such a dishonest little hack. If they wanted to quote a real economist they could stick to Milton Friedman… Unfortunately, he wrote what he felt was true so that’s not got a high enough lie quotient for them.

Friedman was well on his way to being excommunicated by the GOP when he died. I’m guessing, had he still been around, he would have endorsed Bernanke’s actions since the 2008 collapse rather than the goldbug’s preferred actions, and that would have been the end of him.

415 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:24:16am

re: #395 Ian G.

Wingnut parroting talking points can’t grasp subtlety, but Sowell is enough of a fanatic and (yes) and intellectual to know that his goal is to convince people that the social democracies of Scandinavia are the same thing as North Korea. That’s what he’s doing here.

Exactly and of course the wingnuts eat it up because its ECONOMIST THOMAS SOWELL saying it. It’s no different from the far leftists who equate all capitalism with the evils of extreme capitalism.

416 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:24:37am

re: #399 Dark_Falcon

Because they don’t give a good goddamn if Wikileaks gets hacked, nor should they. Assange essentially declared himself to be the enemy of the US and UK, and that has consequences.

Disagree. If the hack is a crime they should investigate it regardless of *who* got hacked. You shouldn’t play political favorites with law enforcement.

417 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:27:12am

re: #414 Ian G.

Friedman was well on his way to being excommunicated by the GOP when he died. I’m guessing, had he still been around, he would have endorsed Bernanke’s actions since the 2008 collapse rather than the goldbug’s preferred actions, and that would have been the end of him.

As I said, he was a real economist not an ideologue.

418 Bulworth  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:27:19am

Ted Nugent is trying very hard to be awarded a prime time speaking gig at the next RNC. I think his remarks on testicles should be enough to secure him a spot. //

419 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:28:28am

re: #395 Ian G.

Wingnut parroting talking points can’t grasp subtlety, but Sowell is enough of a fanatic and (yes) and intellectual to know that his goal is to convince people that the social democracies of Scandinavia are the same thing as North Korea. That’s what he’s doing here.

I had someone pull that on me on a politics forum a couple of months ago. He declared Canada was just like North Korea because sozhulized healthcare! Tyranny!

I did something Canadians don’t often do. Lost my temper and corrected him not so gently.

His response: I didn’t mean that. Just that both have sozhulized healthcare!

Asshole.

420 Joanne  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:30:41am

re: #240 Gus

Moron Lame

Moron Lement (that thar’s French).

421 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:31:12am

re: #419 Romantic Heretic

I( had someone pull that on me on a politics forum a couple of months ago. He declared Canada was just like North Korea because sozhulized healthcare! Tyranny!

I did something Canadians don’t often do. Lost my temper and corrected him not so gently.

His response: I didn’t mean that. Just that both have sozhulized healthcare!

Asshole.

You were right to be upset. I’m sick of wingnuts equating every bit of socialism with the USSR or North Korea.

422 Joanne  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:31:48am

re: #247 Justanotherhuman

The future for the UK?

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Bring in the engineers from the Netherlands, stat.

423 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:32:20am

re: #407 bratwurst

That is the guy you might well be voting for in 2016…get to know him!

If its Ted Cruz, then its not who I’ll be voting for in 2016.

424 Bubblehead II  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:32:58am

re: #416 Feline Fearless Leader

Disagree. If the hack is a crime they should investigate it regardless of *who* got hacked. You shouldn’t play political favorites with law enforcement.

Why should the U.S or G.B be involved in an investigation of a hack that occurred in another country? Wikileaks servers are located in both Sweden and Iceland. Well out side of either Countries jurisdiction.

425 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:33:02am

re: #416 Feline Fearless Leader

Disagree. If the hack is a crime they should investigate it regardless of *who* got hacked. You shouldn’t play political favorites with law enforcement.

It’s a problem for Wikileaks. If they consent to letting the US or UK investigate their hack, they’d just as soon be consenting to being investigated themselves for the hacks that led to the release of sensitive data.

In other words, it would open up a can of worms, and GG knows this. So he’ll bitch and complain that the US and UK aren’t investigating the hacks knowing that Wiki doesn’t want them doing so.

426 makeitstop  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:33:11am

re: #350 Pie-onist Overlord

ATTN WINGNUTS:

Phillip Seymour Hoffman did not die of a “pot” overdose.

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Oh, dear.

427 Joanne  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:33:29am

re: #261 Bubblehead II

Morning Lizards from a very chilly (11F) Twin Falls.

George Zimmerman to fight rapper DMX in celebrity boxing bout

/// Just what I want to spend my money on. Two idiots flailing away at each other.

He went the Tanya Harding route so quickly. How fast and how far they fall.

428 Joanne  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:34:25am

re: #265 ObserverArt

Don’t ferget them damm V2s!!!


Electronic cigarettes??

429 bratwurst  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:36:00am

re: #423 Dark_Falcon

If its Ted Cruz, then its not who I’ll be voting for in 2016.

It IS Ted Cruz, and I will be filing your post away along with your pledge not to vote for Bill Brady for Governor of Illinois. As the other GOP candidates are beating the crap out of each other ahead of that primary, I fear this will not be the last time I remind you of that pledge.

430 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:38:44am

re: #421 HappyWarrior

You were right to be upset. I’m sick of wingnuts equating every bit of socialism with the USSR or North Korea.

There actually is a nasty socialist president in the Western Hemisphere, its just that his name is not Barack Obama. His name is Nicolás Maduro, and what he’s been up to in Venezuela is What Confiscatory Socialism Looks Like.

The problem is that wingnuts engage in mirror-imaging, assuming that Barack Obama has the same tendency to take a governing philosophy and ‘turn it up to 11’ that they and Maduro both have. In reality, President Obama has better self-control and just plain better sense than that.

431 Bubblehead II  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:38:52am

re: #427 Joanne

He went the Tanya Harding route so quickly. How fast and how far they fall.

Not fast or far enough if he is getting press for shit like this.

432 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:39:14am

re: #385 bratwurst

You would have thought that after the whole awful Grantland business last month, folks in the media would have learned something about trans people…but no:

Piers Morgan Denounces Transgender Guest After She Criticizes His Interview

I don’t think most people care how others live their lives, and because most are satisfied with their gender, the very small percentage of people who actually undergo surgery to change it are hoeing a hard row, which I think they know.

I was struck, though, that Mock thought that asking the question about whether or not she had told her boyfriend about her sex change wasn’t legitimate. To me, that would be withholding information that could have an effect on a relationship and remove choice for the boyfriend.

Sure, Morgan may have been insensitive and rude about some of it, but calling Mock a “boy” when she actually was a boy at a former time in her life was just a fact.

I think the lady doth protest too much.

433 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:39:16am

There is only one thing a True Conservative (like Ted C or Ted N) can do, and that is to wait for the GOP to fall apart and then join the Rabid Looney Wingnut Party that rises from the ashes…

434 Lidane  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:39:41am

re: #148 lawhawk

Good. That means more cookies for the rest of us.

435 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:40:00am

re: #430 Dark_Falcon

There actually is a nasty socialist president in the Western Hemisphere, its just that his name is not Barack Obama. His name is Nicolás Maduro, and what he’s been up to in Venezuela is What Confiscatory Socialism Looks Like.

The problem is that wingnuts engage in mirror-imaging, assuming that Barack Obama has the same tendency to take a governing philosophy and ‘turn it up to 11’ that they and Maduro both have. In reality, President Obama has better self-control and just plain better sense than that.

We’re talking Canada tho. I’m well aware of Chavez’s and now Maduro’s Venezuela believe me. Anyhow the evils of regimes like that aren’t in their health care plans. It’s how they limit human rights.

436 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:41:51am

I don’t think there’s going to be enough popcorn in Kentucky for this GOP primary campaign:


437 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:42:48am

re: #424 Bubblehead II

Why should the U.S or G.B be involved in an investigation of a hack that occurred in another country? Wikileaks servers are located in both Sweden and Iceland. Well out side of either Countries jurisdiction.

Thank you for that, i should have made that point myself.

The US and UK are obligated to investigate hacking against servers on their own soil or attacks aimed at their companies and their nationals. But Wikileaks falls into none of those categories and so neither nation has any obligation to protect it, save those they would extend to Sweden and Iceland as allies.

438 Lidane  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:43:15am

re: #180 Pie-onist Overlord

Because a bunch of registered hunters can somehow take on the United States military, or even their local SWAT teams. They’re evenly matched, don’tcha know.

439 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:43:20am

re: #436 Backwoods_Sleuth

I don’t think there’s going to be enough popcorn in Kentucky for this GOP primary campaign:

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If Mitch McCOnnell isn’t right wing enough for you, then seriously consider outting yourself as a fascist.

440 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:45:33am

re: #439 HappyWarrior

If Mitch McCOnnell isn’t right wing enough for you, then seriously consider outting yourself as a fascist.

The GOP can either make the hard decision to shed this toxic wing of the party, or the nutjobs will abandon the GOP and the damage will be even worse and longer lasting.

441 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:45:51am

I think we’re going to see a world in 2018 where Ted Cruz is deemed insufficiently conservative. I am already expecting Rand Paul to be labeled a liberal in the 2016 primaries.

442 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:46:15am

re: #440 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

The GOP can either make the hard decision to shed this toxic wing of the party, or the nutjobs will abandon the GOP and the damage will be even worse and longer lasting.

Yeah talk about rock and a hard time place.

443 Dr. Matt  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:47:07am

Pat Robertson makes sense for once:

Pat Robertson implores creationist Ken Ham to shut up: ‘Let’s not make a joke of ourselves’

“Let’s face it,” Robertson said, “there was a Bishop [Ussher] who added up the dates listed in Genesis and he came up with the world had been around for 6,000 years.”

“There ain’t no way that’s possible,” he continued. “To say that it all came about in 6,000 years is just nonsense and I think it’s time we come off of that stuff and say this isn’t possible.”

“Let’s be real, let’s not make a joke of ourselves.”

“We’ve got to be realistic,” he concluded, and admit “that the dating of Bishop Ussher just doesn’t comport with anything that is found in science and you can’t just totally deny the geological formations that are out there.”

444 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:48:00am

re: #443 Dr. Matt

Pat Robertson makes sense for once:

Pat Robertson implores creationist Ken Ham to shut up: ‘Let’s not make a joke of ourselves’

Too late.

445 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:48:01am

re: #435 HappyWarrior

We’re talking Canada tho. I’m well aware of Chavez’s and now Maduro’s Venezuela believe me. Anyhow the evils of regimes like that aren’t in their health care plans. It’s how they limit human rights.

It works for Canada, too. The critical point is as you say, though I would term it Canada and the United States’ greater respect for the Rule of Law.

Some might use that point to say “Our Rule of Law makes White Anglosphere nations better than Teh Browns!”. But the great progress that Venezuela’s neighbor Columbia has made in the past 15 years shows that Latin American nations can make real social and economic progress. Brazil is also a good case to use to put the lie to the Tales Wingnuts Tell on Twitter.

446 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:48:07am

re: #443 Dr. Matt

Pat Robertson makes sense for once:

Pat Robertson implores creationist Ken Ham to shut up: ‘Let’s not make a joke of ourselves’

Are you sure that’s not an Onion article? Something like that would be subtle and massively up their alley.
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447 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:48:24am

re: #440 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

The GOP can either make the hard decision to shed this toxic wing of the party, or the nutjobs will abandon the GOP and the damage will be even worse and longer lasting.

Bingo.

If the GOP chooses to tell the RW nutjob element of the party to go away, there will be fallout of course, but it will be less than if the nutjobs abandon the GOP.

448 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:50:54am

re: #446 Feline Fearless Leader

Are you sure that’s not an Onion article? Something like that would be subtle and massively up their alley.
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No, its real. Pat Robertson has been urging evangelicals not to push creationism hard for years. But on this he has not been listened to and as a result evangelicals keep attacking a point where their foes are at their strongest.

449 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:52:41am

re: #443 Dr. Matt

Pat Robertson makes sense for once:

Pat Robertson implores creationist Ken Ham to shut up: ‘Let’s not make a joke of ourselves’

When Pat Robertson is telling you that you’re making an ass of yourself………….

450 Lidane  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:53:08am

re: #388 Pie-onist Overlord

How could the US government investigate attacks on the WikiLeaks site? The site is hosted overseas.

451 Dr. Matt  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:54:22am

re: #441 HappyWarrior

I think we’re going to see a world in 2018 where Ted Cruz is deemed insufficiently conservative. I am already expecting Rand Paul to be labeled a liberal in the 2016 primaries.

“Pat Robertson is a RINO” in 5……4……3…..2……

452 Ian G.  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:54:39am

re: #430 Dark_Falcon

There actually is a nasty socialist president in the Western Hemisphere, its just that his name is not Barack Obama. His name is Nicolás Maduro, and what he’s been up to in Venezuela is What Confiscatory Socialism Looks Like.

Ever read the State Department travel advice on Venezuela?

travel.state.gov

Check out “safety and security”. It’s beyond “Mad Max” down there.

453 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:54:43am

A page from “How Not To Sell A Shit Sandwich,” by John Boehner:

454 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:55:01am

Today’s Feline Education Moment. Today’s subject is Geology.

Feline Stratigraphy

455 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:55:37am

re: #453 Targetpractice

A page from “How Not To Sell A Shit Sandwich,” by John Boehner:

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Oh really Boehner?

456 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:56:52am

re: #451 Dr. Matt

“Pat Robertson is a RINO” in 5……4……3…..2……

Ha, then knowing him he’ll say something that reminds us why he’s still a nut. Doesn’t matter if it’s some insane quote about puking about gay marriage photos or bragging about his physical prowess.

457 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:57:47am

re: #443 Dr. Matt

Pat Robertson makes sense for once:

Pat Robertson implores creationist Ken Ham to shut up: ‘Let’s not make a joke of ourselves’

Robertson should know; he buys blood diamonds and knows they took more than 6,000 yrs to form…

458 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:59:03am

re: #447 Dr Lizardo

Bingo.

If the GOP chooses to tell the RW nutjob element of the party to go away, there will be fallout of course, but it will be less than if the nutjobs abandon the GOP.

They missed their chance to do so in 2010 because they were afraid of being shouted down by some goombah in a tri-cornered hat at a Town Hall Meeting.

So they tolerated this extremist, racist, misogynist, homophobic, xenophobic historically delusional derp and set off an attention-grabbing race to the bottom of the barrel…and they have not even come close to hitting bottom…

459 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 9:59:55am

Ten degrees overnight here at the Kirel Global Command Center and Conspiracy Compound. Pretty chilly, but if I hear one more brain-dead talking head say “BITTERLY cold,” I am going to throw my brass monkey at the TV!

460 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:00:14am

re: #454 Feline Fearless Leader

Today’s Feline Education Moment. Today’s subject is Geology.

Feline Stratigraphy

Just beware of the many deposits of sharp pointed objects.

461 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:00:52am

re: #459 Shiplord Kirel

Ten degrees overnight here at the Kirel Global Command Center and Conspiracy Compound. Pretty chilly, but if I hear one more brain-dead talking head say “BITTERLY cold,” I am going to throw my brass monkey at the TV!

A GOP brass monkey…it has no balls!!!

462 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:01:55am

re: #430 Dark_Falcon

I do tend to consider that SINO (yeah, Socialist In Name Only ;) but, alas, it’s asshats like them that keep us from pursuing democratic reforms that would strengthen both workers and business.

463 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:03:39am

We are going to learn a lot about the brain and about sex differences, too, in the near future. It’s not all about the hormones.

Male and female brains wired differently, scans reveal

Maps of neural circuitry show women’s brains are suited to social skills and memory, men’s perception and co-ordination

theguardian.com

“Ragini Verma, a researcher at the University of Pennsylvania, said the greatest surprise was how much the findings supported old stereotypes, with men’s brains apparently wired more for perception and co-ordinated actions, and women’s for social skills and memory, making them better equipped for multitasking.

“If you look at functional studies, the left of the brain is more for logical thinking, the right of the brain is for more intuitive thinking. So if there’s a task that involves doing both of those things, it would seem that women are hardwired to do those better,” Verma said. “Women are better at intuitive thinking. Women are better at remembering things. When you talk, women are more emotionally involved - they will listen more.”

(snip)

“The findings come from one of the largest studies to look at how brains are wired in healthy males and females. The maps give scientists a more complete picture of what counts as normal for each sex at various ages. Armed with the maps, they hope to learn more about whether abnormalities in brain connectivity affect brain disorders such as schizophrenia and depression.”

464 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:04:06am

re: #462 William Barnett-Lewis

I do tend to consider that SINO (yeah, Socialist In Name Only ;) but, alas, it’s asshats like them that keep us from pursuing democratic reforms that would strengthen both workers and business.

You know how it is: We don’t get to pick the people who self-identify with the same terms we use, but we do catch Hell when those people act like asshats.

465 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:06:38am

re: #458 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

They missed their chance to do so in 2010 because they were afraid of being shouted down by some goombah in a tri-cornered hat at a Town Hall Meeting.

So they tolerated this extremist, racist, misogynist, homophobic, xenophobic historically delusional derp and set off an attention-grabbing race to the bottom of the barrel…and they have not even come close to hitting bottom…

The one chance they do have at kicking the RWNJ’s out of the party comes up in 2016. Basically, the GOP leadership can let the RWNJ’s get their “dream candidate” for the Presidency - whomever that may happen to be - and when that candidate loses spectacularly in an electoral debacle like Goldwater or Mondale, the GOP leadership will then be in a position to say, “See - we told you, now f**k off and don’t come back; you’ve lead us into a disaster.”

A risky strategy, but it might work.

466 Lidane  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:07:30am
467 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:07:57am

re: #465 Dr Lizardo

The one chance they do have at kicking the RWNJ’s out of the party comes up in 2016. Basically, the GOP leadership can let the RWNJ’s get their “dream candidate” for the Presidency - whomever that may happen to be - and when that candidate loses spectacularly in an electoral debacle like Goldwater or Mondale, the GOP leadership will then be in a position to say, “See - we told you, now f**k off and don’t come back; you’ve lead us into a disaster.”

A risky strategy, but it might work.

They will simply insist that he was not conservative enough and find someone even more extreme…

468 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:08:06am

re: #463 Justanotherhuman

We are going to learn a lot about the brain and about sex differences, too, in the near future. It’s not all about the hormones.

Male and female brains wired differently, scans reveal

Maps of neural circuitry show women’s brains are suited to social skills and memory, men’s perception and co-ordination

theguardian.com

“Ragini Verma, a researcher at the University of Pennsylvania, said the greatest surprise was how much the findings supported old stereotypes, with men’s brains apparently wired more for perception and co-ordinated actions, and women’s for social skills and memory, making them better equipped for multitasking.

“If you look at functional studies, the left of the brain is more for logical thinking, the right of the brain is for more intuitive thinking. So if there’s a task that involves doing both of those things, it would seem that women are hardwired to do those better,” Verma said. “Women are better at intuitive thinking. Women are better at remembering things. When you talk, women are more emotionally involved - they will listen more.”

(snip)

“The findings come from one of the largest studies to look at how brains are wired in healthy males and females. The maps give scientists a more complete picture of what counts as normal for each sex at various ages. Armed with the maps, they hope to learn more about whether abnormalities in brain connectivity affect brain disorders such as schizophrenia and depression.”

So, will wingnuts use this to claim women should stay home or will they get mad and start making jokes about taking letters from her name and using them to spell “vagina”?

/I really do think Rush Limbaugh might try that latter tactic.

469 Teukka  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:08:17am

re: #344 Targetpractice

Temporary moment of sanity sighting…

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Is it at this juncture the gallery is going to erupt in:

RINO! RINO! RINO! BENGHAZI! MIND CONTROL!

Or something like that?

470 makeitstop  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:08:44am

re: #431 Bubblehead II

Not fast or far enough if he is getting press for shit like this.

I’m hoping for a fight that goes the distance, with DMX wearing gloves with ‘Trayvon’ printed on the business end.

471 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:09:52am

re: #467 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

They will simply insist that he was not conservative enough and find someone even more extreme…

Perhaps, but I think it more likely that at that point, the GOP leadership, and most importantly, it’s bagmen, will tell the nutjobs they’re no longer welcome in the GOP, and basically drum them out.

472 Ian G.  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:10:14am

re: #466 Lidane

Because John Calvin’s Geneva is what we should be aspiring to as a country.

473 Bulworth  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:10:16am

re: #436 Backwoods_Sleuth

Please proceed….

474 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:10:50am

re: #401 Dr. Matt

Technically, just about anything is toxic at excessive amounts. I’m sure there’s some data out there recommending an LD50 for marijuana.

From what I remember of the studies on it is that there is no physical way to ingest enough to cause toxicity. It is possible that you could somehow derive the “pure essence” of it somehow to achieve toxicity, but in its natural form it is just impossible to reach that level. This is off the top of my head from some study I read years ago, but you would have to smoke some 5 joints a minute for a number of minutes to even come close. Just physically impossible.

475 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:10:59am

re: #470 makeitstop

I’m hoping for a fight that goes the distance, with DMX wearing gloves with ‘Trayvon’ printed on the business end.

I’d bet DMX wins by TKO in round 3.

476 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:12:07am

re: #458 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

They missed their chance to do so in 2010 because they were afraid of being shouted down by some goombah in a tri-cornered hat at a Town Hall Meeting.

So they tolerated this extremist, racist, misogynist, homophobic, xenophobic historically delusional derp and set off an attention-grabbing race to the bottom of the barrel…and they have not even come close to hitting bottom…

And they think they’re “winning” still since it has gotten them a majority in the House and a large number of state legislatures. However, as a result, they are also rapidly becoming under the control of these extremists due to a long-standing policy to do everything party-first before even thinking of working with the other party.

477 makeitstop  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:13:21am

re: #475 Dark_Falcon

I’d bet DMX wins by TKO in round 3.

Probably closer to it. I don’t think George would have the stamina for a long fight.

The thought of him getting the name Trayvon repeatedly slammed into his face for 10 rounds does amuse me, though.

478 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:13:37am

South Dakota GOP Lawmaker: Our Crazy Legislature Makes People Not Want To Live Here

South Dakota’s legislature in recent years has served a laboratory for extreme conservative policies, and that has one Republican lawmaker in the state worried.

Among state Rep. Anne Hajek’s (R) concerns is a proposed bill that would allow businesses to deny service to same-sex couples.

“The media picks up on these bills and people think about moving to South Dakota and they say, ‘Oh, crazies are out there,” Hajek told television station KELO.

She called the legislation, currently being taken up in the state Senate, “scary.”

479 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:13:55am

re: #476 Feline Fearless Leader

And they think they’re “winning” still since it has gotten them a majority in the House and a large number of state legislatures. However, as a result, they are also rapidly becoming under the control of these extremists due to a long-standing policy to do everything party-first before even thinking of working with the other party.

and if you look at the overall vote, they do not have a majority, they are just gerrymandered into power.

480 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:14:26am

re: #468 Dark_Falcon

So, will wingnuts use this to claim women should stay home or will they get mad and start making jokes about taking letters from her name and using them to spell “vagina”.

/I really do think Rush Limbaugh might try that latter tactic.

How can they? Women are better at multitasking, and it doesn’t say that they can’t think effectively, just maybe a bit differently, have better memorization skills, and it’s probably why girls do better in school, especially in the lower grades; after that, socialization comes into play because males are expected to be the “breadwinner”—and you know that is changing, esp since most thinking jobs do not require brawn. Basically, I see it as saying that men are better able to do physical tasks requiring brawn and coordination—something that most women already know. I can still move a refrigerator to clean behind it and can change my oil, but I wouldn’t want to do it for a living.

481 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:15:22am

re: #477 makeitstop

Probably closer to it. I don’t think George would have the stamina for a long fight.

The thought of him getting the name Trayvon repeatedly slammed into his face for 10 rounds does amuse me, though.

Most ‘celebrity’ matches are only 3 rounds. Though I recall Geraldo Rivera Once being in one scheduled for 5 rounds. He went the distance, but Zimmerman isn’t in as good shape as Rivera was at the time.

482 Dr. Matt  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:19:29am

re: #474 Eventual Carrion

. It is possible that you could somehow derive the “pure essence” of it somehow to achieve toxicity, but in its natural form it is just impossible to reach that level. This is off the top of my head from some study I read years ago, but you would have to smoke some 5 joints a minute for a number of minutes to even come close. Just physically impossible.

I have no idea what “pure essence” means in scientific terms. I would need to see published data that supports “impossible to reach that level” and “Just physically impossible”. There is an LD50 for water. A human can kill themselves from drinking too much water. There are LDs for thousands of chemicals and products and unless there are published data to support otherwise, there is likely an LD50 for one or more of the chemicals in the combustible form of cannabis.

483 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:21:00am

re: #480 Justanotherhuman

How can they? Women are better at multitasking, and it doesn’t say that they can’t think effectively, just maybe a bit differently, have better memorization skills, and it’s probably why girls do better in school, especially in the lower grades; after that, socialization comes into play because males are expected to be the “breadwinner”—and you know that is changing, esp since most thinking jobs do not require brawn. Basically, I see it as saying that men are better able to do physical tasks requiring brawn and coordination—something that most women already know. I can still move a refrigerator to clean behind it and can change my oil, but I wouldn’t want to do it for a living.

The claim would be made based on a dishonest reading of the article. SOP for someone like Bryan Fischer.

484 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:24:56am
1260 milligrams per kilo gram

So for every Kilogram you weigh, you would need 1.26 pure grams of THC.. Just incanse any of you serious head cases out there can get your hands on pure thc, either synthetic or extracted somehow… Heres a lil equation for ya

(Your weight(in lb) * 0.45359237) 1.26 = The ammount of pure THC ( in grams) you’de need to off yourself.

Keep in mind, that only HALF of the rats died at this dose, so only half of the people would.

shroomery.org

485 RadicalModerate  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:25:13am

Not sure if anyone else has been following the run-up to this year’s Winter Olympics in Sochi, but it is really starting to turn out to be a PR nightmare for Vladimir Putin. Between the ongoing questions regarding security at the venues, the roughly $30 billion missing from the $50 billion that was quoted as the cost of the games (yes, that’s billions - the 2014 Winter Games has a higher price tag than all previous Winter Olympics COMBINED) - now journalists are starting to arrive, and are finding a multitude of issues.

Wealth of Issues Face 2014 Sochi Winter Olympic Athletes, Fans and Journalists

Things like hotels not having potable water and rooms without amenities like heat or lights.

Once you enjoy a good night’s sleep in a tiny bed, stare at a blank wall for entertainment and relieve yourself in the restroom, all the while hoping it wouldn’t reject some of its contents like a stubborn porcelain bouncer outside a club, you need to take a shower.

The National Post’s Bruce Arthur, writing for Canada.com, brings a wealth of issues facing Olympic denizens to light:

Sochi? Well, three of the nine mountain hotels have not been completed, and the IOC estimate that 97 per cent of the rooms are ready appears to ignore the little things.

Almost every room is missing something: lightbulbs, TVs, lamps, chairs, curtains, wifi, heat, hot water. Shower curtains are a valuable piece of the future black market here. (One American photographer was simply told, “You will not get a shower curtain.”

486 b.d.  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:27:35am

A man in the blood diamond business has to know his geology, listen to Pat Robertson!

487 TedStriker  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:37:58am

re: #261 Bubblehead II

Morning Lizards from a very chilly (11F) Twin Falls.

George Zimmerman to fight rapper DMX in celebrity boxing bout

/// Just what I want to spend my money on. Two idiots flailing away at each other.

DMX better hope they run George through a metal detector before the bout.

///

488 ObserverArt  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:44:51am

Anyone have a good idea why Greenwald has such a burr up his butt regarding America. I know it has been kicked around and said to have something to do with same sex marriage. But, with what has been happening in the country regarding all that, it seems he has bigger issues?

Or is he just libertarian cry-baby dude bro and just a bit crazy/eccentric? Not that I’d like him back in the US, I would just like to know his problem and where he went off the rails.

489 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:45:41am

re: #484 William Barnett-Lewis

shroomery.org

So I would have to eat a quarter pound of pure THC to kill myself (or half of myself :-)). I don’t plan on doing that, a few hits off that joint will suffice to waste me.

490 kirkspencer  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:15:40am

re: #432 Justanotherhuman

I don’t think most people care how others live their lives, and because most are satisfied with their gender, the very small percentage of people who actually undergo surgery to change it are hoeing a hard row, which I think they know.

I was struck, though, that Mock thought that asking the question about whether or not she had told her boyfriend about her sex change wasn’t legitimate. To me, that would be withholding information that could have an effect on a relationship and remove choice for the boyfriend.

Sure, Morgan may have been insensitive and rude about some of it, but calling Mock a “boy” when she actually was a boy at a former time in her life was just a fact.

I think the lady doth protest too much.

Someone else may have replied to this as i’ve not read the thread (and besides there’s new thread above), but I have to respond.

No. Wrong.

On ‘withholding information that could have an effect on a relationship’ - so fricking what? What business did Morgan have doing that? Was he the boyfriend’s friend? parent? Did Mr. Morgan insist that his first wife know every sexual encounter he’d ever had before - and allegedly during - his marriage with her? Does his second wife know of them all?

On the boy-girl issue, again no. I recognize it is hard to get but trannies are, quite literally, sex A trapped in sex B’s body who have managed to correct the situation. It is amazingly similar to (though much uglier than) calling someone who’s successfully lost many pounds “fat”. After all, they’re always that old fattie underneath the muscle, aren’t they?

491 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 5, 2014 2:34:48pm

re: #490 kirkspencer

Someone else may have replied to this as i’ve not read the thread (and besides there’s new thread above), but I have to respond.

No. Wrong.

On ‘withholding information that could have an effect on a relationship’ - so fricking what? What business did Morgan have doing that? Was he the boyfriend’s friend? parent? Did Mr. Morgan insist that his first wife know every sexual encounter he’d ever had before - and allegedly during - his marriage with her? Does his second wife know of them all?

On the boy-girl issue, again no. I recognize it is hard to get but trannies are, quite literally, sex A trapped in sex B’s body who have managed to correct the situation. It is amazingly similar to (though much uglier than) calling someone who’s successfully lost many pounds “fat”. After all, they’re always that old fattie underneath the muscle, aren’t they?

I think that’s a false dichotomy about telling someone about past affairs and having a sex change. Does a trans hold back info from a potential husband, for instance, by saying she is “infertile” and not telling the truth? That is life affecting for a man who wants kids. Do you see what I’m saying? The trans woman does not have the ability to reproduce, and while people may say that isn’t important, it is very important, even in the days of surrogates, in vitro, etc. We humans put a lot of our emotional coin into the person we love, that we choose as a life partner, whether or not to have a choice in having children, and so forth. So I think being above board is very important when it’s life-affecting.

As a woman I also take into consideration the fact that most trans women are generally old enough to have racked up some male privilege (which no one born a woman who lives as a woman can do) by the time they decide to live as a woman full time (not all go the entire way). It may not be that it’s something they pursued (although some have), it’s the way society saw them as boys or men and bestowed it on them. The fact is, socialization is a very important aspect to consider; we are the sum of our past.

At any rate, people are going to do what they’re going to do. All I ask is that they be honest about who they are and what they can offer the person they’re asking the same of. Living a lie is not worth living, IMHO. Now, it’s possible that “Aaron”, the guy she names in this Marie Claire interview is still her boyfriend, and if so, the question would be moot, as she told him she was trans some years ago when they first met.

marieclaire.com

BTW, Mock seemed to take umbrage at Morgan calling her “a boy” (she had surgery in Thailand at 18), but she herself said in interview with Marie Claire. She also has said that she had to “kill Charles to let Janet live,” while also saying in the Marie Claire interview that she was born as a “boy named Charles” as well as calling herself “gay”. She now denies that she is “gay” but claims she’s a heterosexual woman.

Look, it’s hard enough for even old feminists like me, who has also worked with lesbian advocates and known many gay men, to come to grips with someone who would want to surgically and hormonally change their bodies. In fact, I’m someone who hated taking b/c pills because of the toll it took on my body. But there are a lot of social, emotional and other factors that enter in this, and I’m sure we haven’t heard the last of them yet.

I don’t think mocking, anger, or any of those emotional responses from one or the other does anything to move the discussion forward. Mock has been out a long time with this; she’ll have to develop a thicker skin if she’s going to go on TV and push it.


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