And Now, Wikileaks Shills for Russia - Update: Greenwald, Too

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The weird anarchists of Wikileaks inadvertently out themselves as shills for Russia, making excuses for Russia’s outrageous spying on Western journalists at the Sochi Olympics with a ridiculously illogical and hyperbolic tu quoque argument.

That’s right; now the NSA is spying on ENTIRE CONTINENTS. Not the people in them — the continents themselves. It’s a super-ultra-secret program known as “tectonic surveillance.”

UPDATE at 2/6/14 11:22:35 am

And now, The Mighty Greenwald joins Wikileaks to defend his Russian allies:

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1 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:06:09am

Actually NSA is spying on other galaxies now. //

2 Testy Toad T  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:07:20am

Because knowing who you talked to on the phone is exactly like taking pictures of your dong while you shower.

3 Please Proceed  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:08:34am

re: #2 Testy Toad T

Because knowing who you talked to on the phone is exactly like taking pictures of your dong while you shower.

That’s the way I read it

4 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:08:51am
5 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:10:26am

I’ve said it before, and it’s worth repeating, but how long before we find out that Russia’s been bankrolling Wikileaks all along, and that this is all part of Russia’s plan to undermine its rivals around the world?

When all of the hacks, data releases, focus solely on the US and its allies, one can’t help but wonder at the intentions. It’s not about global human or civil rights or free speech, not when one of the worst offenders gets a permanent pass - Russia. China isn’t far behind on those grounds either, but Russia’s past behavior in creating these kinds of groups to sow discord is hard to overlook.

6 chadu  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:14:18am
That’s right; now the NSA is spying on ENTIRE CONTINENTS. Not the people in them — the continents themselves. It’s known as “tectonic surveillance.”

As well they should. (I don’t trust Antartica; it’s been too quiet for too long. It must be up to something.)

7 b.d.  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:17:31am

LEAVE PUTIN ALONE!!!!!

8 Testy Toad T  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:18:13am

re: #6 chadu

As well they should. (I don’t trust Antartica; it’s been too quiet for too long. It must be up to something.)

According to my globe, Antarctica is actually down for something.

Antarctica is down for EVERYTHING.

9 jaunte  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:18:17am
10 b_sharp  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:18:27am

I’ve been told Wikileaks home planet orbits Alpha Centauri B.

11 Lidane  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:21:05am
12 Kragar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:22:01am

“Wikileaks: We open governments”

As long as they wouldn’t make us disappear.

13 b.d.  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:22:04am

re: #5 lawhawk

I’ve said it before, and it’s worth repeating, but how long before we find out that Russia’s been bankrolling Wikileaks all along, and that this is all part of Russia’s plan to undermine its rivals around the world?

When all of the hacks, data releases, focus solely on the US and its allies, one can’t help but wonder at the intentions. It’s not about global human or civil rights or free speech, not when one of the worst offenders gets a permanent pass - Russia. China isn’t far behind on those grounds either, but Russia’s past behavior in creating these kinds of groups to sow discord is hard to overlook.

Russia doesn’t even need to bankroll them, just chum them along a bit.
I would not be surprised that most of the dudebros are doing this for free and not realizing that they are Russian dupes and doing stuff folks in the past were at least paid for.

14 Testy Toad T  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:22:55am

“Russia spies, too”.


Oh my fucking stars.

15 b.d.  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:23:13am

re: #11 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Still waiting for Glenn to say something bad about Russia. In that pile of documents Eddie gave him there must be at least ONE newsworthy story about Russia?

(edited)

16 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:23:48am

Tuned in the stream for Lubbock’s #3 morning show today (the one I used to co-host). The official low last night was 6 degrees and a number of callers reported below zero temps at their estate/compounds. The conclusion was well nigh unanimous: GOREBULL WORMING OVERTHROWN!
Nobody mentioned that it used to get below zero, OFFICIALLY, several times every winter, something that hasn’t happened since 1987. The all time low was a frigid -17 (January 17, 1963). That definitely wasn’t mentioned.

17 darthstar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:23:51am

re: #10 b_sharp

I’ve been told Wikileaks home planet orbits Alpha Centauri B.

Mad is the captain of Alpha Centauri.

Youtube Video

18 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:24:07am

re: #11 Lidane

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Just updated with that. These people are just unbelievable.

19 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:24:22am

re: #11 Lidane

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“Russia spies too,” but we don’t care to touch on that because we’ve got a vendetta against the US.

20 chadu  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:24:47am

re: #15 b.d.

Still waiting for Glenn to say something bad about Snowden. In that pile of documents Eddie gave him there must be at least >ONE newsworthy story about Russia?

Nope. With a bajillion document trawl through intelligence stuff, there’s not a single story about Russia or China because Putin’s so dreamy shut up.

21 The Mountain That Blogs  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:24:54am

re: #16 Shiplord Kirel

xkcd.com

22 Testy Toad T  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:25:28am

In Soviet Russia, derp Glenns you!

23 chadu  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:26:35am

re: #22 Testy Toad T

In Soviet Russia, derp Glenns you!

Only if he takes me out for dinner and a movie, first.

24 Lidane  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:27:45am
25 b.d.  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:27:57am

EVERYBODY DOES IT, WHAT’S THE BIG DEAL!?!?!?

26 b_sharp  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:28:16am

re: #17 darthstar

Mad is the captain of Alpha Centauri.

[Embedded content]

I now believe in magic.

I have the universe at my command.

I just choose not to do anything with it.

You are terribly lucky.

27 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:28:50am

I recently discovered that the restaurant across the street accepts bitcoins. Does that automatically qualify the owners as dudebros?

28 Political Atheist  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:29:30am

re: #24 Lidane

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QFT!!

Someone ask Snowden at his next public appearance how he rates his privacy now as compared to back home in the land of the betrayed.

29 Lidane  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:29:54am

re: #27 wrenchwench

I recently discovered that the restaurant across the street accepts bitcoin. Does that automatically qualify the owners as dudebros?

Yes. Or paranoid wingnuts. Or drug dealers.

30 Lidane  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:30:11am
31 b_sharp  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:30:24am

re: #27 wrenchwench

I recently discovered that the restaurant across the street accepts bitcoin. Does that automatically qualify the owners as dudebros?

WTF is with all this bitcoin shit?

Do people really think it’s safer/more anonymous than banks/mattresses/cash?

32 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:31:00am

re: #31 b_sharp

WTF is with all this bitcoin shit?

Do people really think it’s safer/more anonymous than banks/mattresses/cash?

Yes. Yes they do.

33 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:31:12am

re: #31 b_sharp

WTF is with all this bitcoin shit?

Do people really think it’s safer/more anonymous than banks/mattresses/cash?

Some do.

34 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:31:19am

re: #25 b.d.

How stupid does he think everyone is to see that Greenwald’s single minded fixation on even the perception or potential of US wrongdoing is… well… odd. Especially when other nations are actively engaging in far worse, including Snowden’s host country (that Snowden fled to so as to avoid the big bad US).

35 b_sharp  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:32:08am

Give me cash.

Youtube Video

36 darthstar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:32:49am

re: #24 Lidane

I like that the guy in the screenshot behind Brian Williams looks like Glenn Greenwald.

37 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:32:50am

re: #28 Political Atheist

QFT!!

Someone ask Snowden at his next public appearance how he rates his privacy now as compared to back home in the land of the betrayed.

My metadata are totally free now.

38 b_sharp  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:33:08am

re: #32 Dr Lizardo

Yes. Yes they do.

That’s going to change when a ‘puter’ loses a drive and the backup has a virus.

39 Testy Toad T  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:33:19am

re: #31 b_sharp

WTF is with all this bitcoin shit?

Do people really think it’s safer/more anonymous than banks/mattresses/cash?

It’s not about actually thinking about things. It’s about showing the MAN that you aren’t CONSTRAINED by his goddamned FED, dude.

ROMPAUL!

40 Lidane  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:33:30am

re: #31 b_sharp

WTF is with all this bitcoin shit?

Keep yer gubmint hands off mah money!

Money the NSA can’t track! Eleventy!

Do people really think it’s safer/more anonymous than banks/mattresses/cash?

Some idiots do, yes. And they think that it’s somehow not a fiat currency, so RON PAUL. WTF.

41 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:33:37am

re: #8 Testy Toad T

According to my globe, Antarctica is actually down for something.

Antarctica is down for EVERYTHING.

Antarctica is DTF (Down To Freezing)


RBS
What, What did you think I meant by DTF?????

42 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:34:33am

“You can’t even turn on your smartphone while visiting Russia, because it’ll be hacked within minutes.”
“SO WHAT?! THE NSA IS LOOKING AT YOUR METADATA!!!”
“Yeah, well the FSB is using my own webcam to watch everything I do.”

43 blueraven  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:35:22am

Well, the Senate just voted down Unemployment extension 48-50

44 darthstar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:35:41am

re: #28 Political Atheist

QFT!!

Someone ask Snowden at his next public appearance how he rates his privacy now as compared to back home in the land of the betrayed.

Mr. Snowden can no answer right now, but he happy.

45 Skip Intro  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:35:58am
46 Lidane  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:37:05am

re: #43 blueraven

Well, the Senate just voted down Unemployment extension 48-50

ASSHOLES. Ugh.

47 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:38:11am

re: #46 Lidane

ASSHOLES. Ugh.

THE POOR SHOULD WORK FOR FOOD! ARE THERE NO WORKHOUSES?!

*spit*

48 b_sharp  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:38:56am

I B frustrated.

I have a website I’m designing for a client of mine. When I view the thing with Safari/Chrome/Firefox all of the gradients and shadows work like a damn.

As soon as I view it with IE 11 the gradients and text shadows disappear.

WTF?

49 Snarknado!  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:39:19am

Someone ask them if the fact that Russia spies makes it okay for the US to spy. (It seems they believe the converse, after all.)

50 Ian G.  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:39:31am

There aren’t enough facepalms for the hard-on that wingnuts and dudebros have for the corrupt, dysfunctional kleptocracy where the life expectancy is actually trending downward due to violence and alcoholism that is Russia.

51 Testy Toad T  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:39:35am

re: #43 blueraven

Well, the Senate just voted down Unemployment extension 48-50

Mitt Romney thinks there’s 48% of the Senate population that is going to vote against his rich-man interests no matter what he does.

52 ObserverArt  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:40:08am

re: #6 chadu

As well they should. (I don’t trust Antartica; it’s been too quiet for too long. It must be up to something.)

I’ve always thought the same about Greenland. Look where they are…just a skip and a jump between the Russkies and North America.

53 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:40:47am

re: #27 wrenchwench

I recently discovered that the restaurant across the street accepts bitcoin. Does that automatically qualify the owners as dudebros?

Or money launderers. Restaurants are common money laundries even without bitcoin.

54 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:41:10am

re: #24 Lidane

Oh that was all just a coincidence. /

55 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:41:29am

re: #50 Ian G.

There aren’t enough facepalms for the hard-on that wingnuts and dudebros have for the corrupt, dysfunctional kleptocracy where the life expectancy is actually trending downward due to violence and alcoholism that is Russia.

If oil prices weren’t high, Russia would be in even worse shape.

56 Ian G.  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:42:07am

re: #31 b_sharp

WTF is with all this bitcoin shit?

Do people really think it’s safer/more anonymous than banks/mattresses/cash?

We can’t have currency backed by the full faith and credit of the US, we need currency backed by GOLD!

And if not that, I’ll take currency backed by absolutely nothing because teh intertubes!

I can’t fathom the dudebro mind.

57 Jay in Oregon  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:42:17am

re: #25 b.d.

EVERYBODY DOES IT, WHAT’S THE BIG DEAL!?!?!?

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Um… hasn’t Glenn said stuff to the effect of “But NO ONE spies as much or as bad as the NSA!” on several occasions?

58 ObserverArt  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:42:26am

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Just updated with that. These people are just unbelievable.

Do we really know if Greenwald is indeed human (people). He could be some kind of Russian cyborg.

Just asking questions!

59 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:43:15am

re: #56 Ian G.

Yeah makes perfect sense. /

60 Lidane  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:43:20am

re: #47 Dr Lizardo

THE POOR SHOULD WORK FOR FOOD! ARE THERE NO WORKHOUSES?!

*spit*

Honestly, I could just cry. My UI benefits expire soon and unless some of the job screens I’ve done lately or the applications I’ve submitted result in anything other than a politely worded rejection letter, I’m screwed. Guess it’s time to go file my taxes. Whatever I get back should help in the short term. =/

God I really hate the GOP some days.

61 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:44:05am

re: #53 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Or money launderers. Restaurants are common money laundries even without bitcoin.

LOL.

Here in Ostrava we had a case of a 20-something who was counterfeiting his own Czech Koruna, and circulating it by using said funny money to pay hookers.

He was at it for only two weeks before he got caught - one of the ladies of the evening used the banknote he gave her at a grocery store, and the cashier immediately noted it was fake. She still had the mobile phone number of the guy, the police called him, and BOOM! he was arrested shortly thereafter.

62 blueraven  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:44:20am

re: #43 blueraven

Well, the Senate just voted down Unemployment extension 48-50

I heard that total on MSNBC…might have been for another procedural vote. Watching live on CSPAN: The vote to proceed for a 3 mo extension is currently

Yes 56
No 42

Same result anyway. Looks like at least a couple of republicans voted with the democrats

63 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:44:51am

Personally I consider it interesting that almost a year later, Wikileaks and Greenwald cannot show evidence of Americans being actively spied on in real-time, while Russia just admitted today that they’re collected video from hotel bathroom showerheads and are actually irate that Westerners are turning the cameras towards the wall and leave them there all day.

64 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:45:06am

Wikileaks and Greenwald0:

Shark Officially Jumped

65 BusyMonster  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:45:47am

re: #5 lawhawk

I’ve said it before, and it’s worth repeating, but how long before we find out that Russia’s been bankrolling Wikileaks all along, and that this is all part of Russia’s plan to undermine its rivals around the world?

And I’ve said before, in much the same vein, how long before we find out that the FSB essentially brainwashed these dudebros into becoming their assets, and are using them like the cheap, stupid tools that they are? My take on what Snowden did was that he was filled with vainglorious BS by someone, who knows, and intentionally set about poking The Man in the eye, but what he actually did was take a bunch of my personal info (by his own account) and turn it over to the corrupt government running the most hackered-up nation on the planet.

I do sense a very clumsy plan here. And I think the fact that these guys are all seemingly swooning under the former Soviet Union’s rule is far more worrisome than that the NSA can read my email or snoop on my digital transmissions, which I already knew since I work in IT, and I know that everything I do digitally can with time be cracked. I accepted that a long time ago. I don’t put things out there I don’t want shown around, duh.

66 Ian G.  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:46:00am

re: #60 Lidane

Godspeed with your job search. I’ve been in the unemployment camp before and it’s soul-crushing. Hope you can find a job soon.

67 ObserverArt  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:46:59am

re: #48 b_sharp

I B frustrated.

I have a website I’m designing for a client of mine. When I view the thing with Safari/Chrome/Firefox all of the gradients and shadows work like a damn.

As soon as I view it with IE 11 the gradients and text shadows disappear.

WTF?

Sounds like a rejection of some of the styles in the CSS. Ah Explorer!

68 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:47:01am

re: #62 blueraven

I heard that total on MSNBC…might have been for another procedural vote. Watching live on CSPAN: The vote to proceed for a 3 mo extension is currently

Yes 56
No 42

Same result anyway. Looks like at least a couple of republicans voted with the democrats

“Compassionate conservative” apparently got replaced with “Tough love conservatism,” which is where the GOP looks at as you’re down and goes “The fuck you looking at me for? You got bootstraps, get to pulling!”

69 122 Year Old Obama  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:47:03am

re: #43 blueraven

Well, the Senate just voted down Unemployment extension 48-50

And people wonder why I’ve all but given up.

70 ObserverArt  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:49:12am

re: #52 ObserverArt

I’ve always thought the same about Greenland. Look where they are…just a skip and a jump between the Russkies and North America.

And…consider that Greenland is too close to Greenwald!!!

And it is is covered in snow, which is too close tn Snowden!!!

All that is too close to comfort for me…

71 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:49:23am

By the way, who ever said “Saddam also tortures?”

72 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:49:33am
73 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:50:06am

re: #71 Charles Johnson

By the way, who ever said “Saddam also tortures?”

drooling American media and…shut up.

74 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:50:26am

re: #71 Charles Johnson

By the way, who ever said “Saddam also tortures?”

I can only think of wingnuts who got flippant after awhile. The “official” US position, as I always understood it, is that it can’t be construed as torture and even if it was, they’re enemy combatants which means legally we can do whatever like to them because they’ve no international legal protection.

75 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:51:43am

re: #74 Targetpractice

I can only think of wingnuts who got flippant after awhile. The “official” US position, as I always understood it, is that it can’t be construed as torture and even if it was, they’re enemy combatants which means legally we can do whatever like to them because they’ve no international legal protection.

I never heard a single person try to justify torture by saying “Saddam also tortures.” That’s a complete fantasy by Greenwald.

76 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:52:00am

re: #48 b_sharp

I B frustrated.

I have a website I’m designing for a client of mine. When I view the thing with Safari/Chrome/Firefox all of the gradients and shadows work like a damn.

As soon as I view it with IE 11 the gradients and text shadows disappear.

WTF?

Test for IE, if yes, Popup Text box saying “This only works with modern browsers. Please upgrade to the 21st Century”.

:whistle:

77 gwangung  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:52:38am

re: #74 Targetpractice

I can only think of wingnuts who got flippant after awhile. The “official” US position, as I always understood it, is that it can’t be construed as torture and even if it was, they’re enemy combatants which means legally we can do whatever like to them because they’ve no international legal protection.

Isn’t also like vs. like….US’s espionage efforts directly impacts other countries’ espionage against us and vice versa. Can’t say that about torture.

78 kirkspencer  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:53:15am

re: #60 Lidane

Honestly, I could just cry. My UI benefits expire soon and unless some of the job screens I’ve done lately or the applications I’ve submitted result in anything other than a politely worded rejection letter, I’m screwed. Guess it’s time to go file my taxes. Whatever I get back should help in the short term. =/

God I really hate the GOP some days.

Welcome to the ranks of the long-term unemployed. Things I wish I’d done when my UI benefits expired:

1. taken an honest look at bankruptcy. At that point in time I still had enough to have afforded an attorney instead of (now) watching my chance with the ‘free’ attorneys keep being bumped by criminal case needs. (I get the priority, but it’s been over a year now.) If I had done so I might have kept the house, or certainly avoided some major grief.

2. Figured my escape plan better. Yes, my brother took me in no questions asked. But I didn’t ask till a lot later. Again, if I’d taken a hard look I’d probably have gotten here a year or two earlier WITH some assets I no longer have/had.

3. Worked out my job alternatives to include career change education. With the (probable) savings from the first two points I might have been able to afford my share of the various assistance training programs. As it is the only ones that pay it all won’t accept me - I have a master’s degree after all. (sigh).

4. Started a day job business sooner. This sucks, by the way, but it beats the crap out of “sorry, you’re too old/educated/long out of work/etc.” It doesn’t pay the bills - were it not for family I’d be on the street. But it does help defray my brother’s expenses. And it helps me not feel like a totally worthless human being.

There are a lot more but those are the big ones. take them for what they’re worth.

79 A Mom Anon  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:54:44am

re: #60 Lidane

((((Lidane)))) Our family has been there 4 times since ‘08 and it’s the worst feeling in the world. It’s really easy for a bunch of over privileged multimillionaires to sit there and fuck people’s lives over like that. Times like this make me wish for Fast Acting Karma (tm, Patent Pending) so freaking bad.

I hope you find something very soon. Right now I’m sitting here looking for a job for me, and a better one for The Husband. He’s had to take jobs for less money after each layoff/downsizing doing the same thing. It’s ridiculous.

80 BongCrodny  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:54:55am

Oh, you laugh, but if they can spy on entire continents today, can entire planets be far behind?

81 ObserverArt  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:55:41am

re: #48 b_sharp

I B frustrated.

I have a website I’m designing for a client of mine. When I view the thing with Safari/Chrome/Firefox all of the gradients and shadows work like a damn.

As soon as I view it with IE 11 the gradients and text shadows disappear.

WTF?

b_sharp.

Do you use w3 schools web site.

I just did a quick search: CSS gradients

Internet Explorer 9 and earlier versions do not support gradients.

and text shadows: w3schools.com

Note: The text-shadow property is not supported in Internet Explorer 9 and earlier versions.

I always go there first…and type issue into their search box. A great source!

82 Testy Toad T  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:55:59am

re: #80 BongCrodny

Oh, you laugh, but if they can spy on entire continents today, can entire planets be far behind?

NSA
NASA


OMFG!!!!!!1

83 GunstarGreen  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:57:11am

re: #48 b_sharp

I B frustrated.

I have a website I’m designing for a client of mine. When I view the thing with Safari/Chrome/Firefox all of the gradients and shadows work like a damn.

As soon as I view it with IE 11 the gradients and text shadows disappear.

WTF?

IE sucks. Nobody who cares about having a decent internet experiences uses it.

84 Lidane  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:57:53am

re: #66 Ian G.

Godspeed with your job search. I’ve been in the unemployment camp before and it’s soul-crushing. Hope you can find a job soon.

Soul crushing is a good way of putting it. I hate being out of work. I want a job. I send applications daily. I go to ridiculous job fairs and write customized cover letters (like the one I’m agonizing over right now) so they don’t come across as just copy and paste jobs to the hiring manager. I spend a lot of time on LinkedIn and other job boards looking for work. This stinks.

Watching these assholes in Congress play with UI benefits and make sanctimonious pronouncements about how it’s immoral to pay benefits and how the unemployed are lazy pisses me off.

85 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:59:40am

re: #83 GunstarGreen

IE sucks. Nobody who cares about having a decent internet experiences uses it.

If it’s going to be a site hit from corporate locations IE still has to work. IE is standard browser here — and we’re still running IE *8*.

I’m running Firefox, but I also work in IT and have slightly higher admin rights on my laptop.

86 Jay in Oregon  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:59:49am

re: #56 Ian G.

And if not that, I’ll take currency backed by absolutely nothing because teh intertubes!

I can’t fathom the dudebro mind.

I will admit to being woefully undereducated on the nature of currency, but how is a US Dollar any more of a fiat currency than Bitcoins?

The only thing guaranteed by the face value of a USD is that I can use a $5 bill to pay $5 worth of public debt; taxes, fees, etc. Outside of that, what that $5 can actually buy is subject to things like inflation, supply and demand, etc.

To me, Bitcoin fails as a currency precisely because everything is still pegged to the value of the USD (or, potentially, some other currency). People are gloating about the fact that their BTCs jump from $800 to $1000 in value, but I would be hesitant to exchange USD for BTC if the price fluctuates by 20-25% in a matter of days or hours.

No one in their right minds will price their goods and services in BTC for the same reason. If I sell a shiny new Apple laptop for 1.5BTC, that could mean $1200 one day and $1500 the next. (Or $400 if the price crashes again.)

And we won’t even get into the pump-and-dump and boom/bust cycles of people blatantly manipulating the price of BTC.

Am I totally off-base here?

87 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:59:54am

re: #83 GunstarGreen

IE sucks. Nobody who cares about having a decent internet experiences uses it.

IE is the Yugo of the browser world: Slow, unreliable, and basically a cheap knock-off these days of far superior browsers. It takes an act of desperation to resort to using it.

88 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:00:43pm

re: #82 Testy Toad T

NSA
NASA

OMFG!!!!!!1

The only thing worse than NASA is SNASA. Secret NASA. And they don’t just go to the Moon, but to the SMoon. /Barney Stinson

89 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:02:34pm

I just got a message from GG…

Youtube Video

90 kirkspencer  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:03:07pm

re: #84 Lidane

Soul crushing is a good way of putting it. I hate being out of work. I want a job. I send applications daily. I go to ridiculous job fairs and write customized cover letters (like the one I’m agonizing over right now) so they don’t come across as just copy and paste jobs to the hiring manager. I spend a lot of time on LinkedIn and other job boards looking for work. This stinks.

Watching these assholes in Congress play with UI benefits and make sanctimonious pronouncements about how it’s immoral to pay benefits and how the unemployed are lazy pisses me off.

Lidane, what do you do? There are one or two people here who have connections (and they’ve tried for me and succeeded for others), so put it out here. Just a summary: what do you do?

91 b_sharp  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:03:45pm

re: #81 ObserverArt

b_sharp.

Do you use w3 schools web site.

I just did a quick search: CSS gradients

and text shadows: w3schools.com

I always go there first…and type issue into their search box. A great source!

Yup. Yup. Yup.
I’ve tried the methods from there and MSDN.
Simply doesn’t work.

92 GunstarGreen  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:03:48pm

re: #85 Feline Fearless Leader

If it’s going to be a site hit from corporate locations IE still has to work. IE is standard browser here — and we’re still running IE *8*.

I’m running Firefox, but I also work in IT and have slightly higher admin rights on my laptop.

Running IE8, when IE11 is available? Ask them if they plan on accessing modern applications with their 486/66 DX running Win95 while they’re at it.

The only way to get things to work worth a damn in IE is to put in script that checks the browser for the defect of “being IE”, and to load IE-specific code/stylesheets in those cases. I’m not kidding when I say that IE is a godawful browser that ignores standards because fuck you, that’s why.

93 Testy Toad T  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:04:59pm

re: #92 GunstarGreen

Running IE8, when IE11 is available? Ask them if they plan on accessing modern applications with their 486/66 DX running Win95 while they’re at it.

Lots of in-house corporate crapware depend on old IE’s very specific failings in order to function properly.

While we’re on the subject, don’t think there aren’t a bunch of 486’s running Win3.0 out there in the corporate world.

94 ObserverArt  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:06:00pm

re: #84 Lidane

Soul crushing is a good way of putting it. I hate being out of work. I want a job. I send applications daily. I go to ridiculous job fairs and write customized cover letters (like the one I’m agonizing over right now) so they don’t come across as just copy and paste jobs to the hiring manager. I spend a lot of time on LinkedIn and other job boards looking for work. This stinks.

Watching these assholes in Congress play with UI benefits and make sanctimonious pronouncements about how it’s immoral to pay benefits and how the unemployed are lazy pisses me off.

I feel for you too! And I hope for the best for you.

I can use a little hope too…working on a web site for myself. I came to the conclusion graphic artists, even with tons of experience and all kinds of skills are not needed when there are a couple million young graphic artists. Hell everyone is a graphic artist if you have a damn computer. So I am out to prove my worth online and try to do support work. And use the tricks that many younger artists never had as all many know are bitmaps and 72 dpi for web. I hope to get cleanup, relief pitching work. And technical/mechanical awareness knowledge, as I have a hell of a tech/science/auto background.

95 ObserverArt  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:07:13pm

re: #85 Feline Fearless Leader

If it’s going to be a site hit from corporate locations IE still has to work. IE is standard browser here — and we’re still running IE *8*.

I’m running Firefox, but I also work in IT and have slightly higher admin rights on my laptop.

Yeah…and IE8 is way behind on graphics rendering with CSS.

Have you ever done a demo to show the higher ups the actual differences?

96 b_sharp  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:07:36pm

re: #92 GunstarGreen

Running IE8, when IE11 is available? Ask them if they plan on accessing modern applications with their 486/66 DX running Win95 while they’re at it.

The only way to get things to work worth a damn in IE is to put in script that checks the browser for the defect of “being IE”, and to load IE-specific code/stylesheets in those cases. I’m not kidding when I say that IE is a godawful browser that ignores standards because fuck you, that’s why.

I’ve been thinking of doing that.

IE 10 & 11 supposedly support shadows and gradients but do so slightly differently than the other browsers.

I’ve tried the twerks & tweaks but it still isn’t coming up. When I inspect the element it tells me text-shadow is an error.

97 ObserverArt  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:08:16pm

re: #87 Targetpractice

IE is the Yugo of the browser world: Slow, unreliable, and basically a cheap knock-off these days of far superior browsers. It takes an act of desperation to resort to using it.

And a gag bag!

98 b_sharp  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:08:23pm

re: #95 ObserverArt

Yeah…and IE8 is way behind on graphics rendering with CSS.

Have you ever done a demo to show the higher ups the actual differences?

CSS3 has some very nice tricks to it.

99 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:08:26pm

re: #84 Lidane

Soul crushing is a good way of putting it. I hate being out of work. I want a job. I send applications daily. I go to ridiculous job fairs and write customized cover letters (like the one I’m agonizing over right now) so they don’t come across as just copy and paste jobs to the hiring manager. I spend a lot of time on LinkedIn and other job boards looking for work. This stinks.

Watching these assholes in Congress play with UI benefits and make sanctimonious pronouncements about how it’s immoral to pay benefits and how the unemployed are lazy pisses me off.

Gawd. I am on your side on this. Went through it myself years ago and won’t go into the gory details.

I hope you fare better than I did, though. I know this sucks, but if you don’t have any UI left, it might be smart to take something a little less desirous until you can get what you need. At any rate, the best of luck to you. : )

100 ObserverArt  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:11:18pm

re: #91 b_sharp

Yup. Yup. Yup.
I’ve tried the methods from there and MSDN.
Simply doesn’t work.

It may be a real trick to pull off as I don’t know your design. But can you do the gradations with a gif image and maybe do the text shadow with two lines of type with their alignment set in the style sheet to have one on top both overlap and offset to mimic a shadow.

I feel for you…just trying help a brother out.

101 Kragar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:13:49pm

re: #84 Lidane

Soul crushing is a good way of putting it. I hate being out of work. I want a job. I send applications daily. I go to ridiculous job fairs and write customized cover letters (like the one I’m agonizing over right now) so they don’t come across as just copy and paste jobs to the hiring manager. I spend a lot of time on LinkedIn and other job boards looking for work. This stinks.

Watching these assholes in Congress play with UI benefits and make sanctimonious pronouncements about how it’s immoral to pay benefits and how the unemployed are lazy pisses me off.

I just want to find an HR department who understands the field.

“This is an entry level position”

“We require you to have at least two of the following certifications:” and then they list high level certs which take years to achieve and cost thousands of dollars.

Why would I waste my time applying for that shit?

102 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:13:57pm

re: #93 Testy Toad T

Lots of in-house corporate crapware depend on old IE’s very specific failings in order to function properly.

While we’re on the subject, don’t think there aren’t a bunch of 486’s running Win3.0 out there in the corporate world.

One of our research facilities had at least two Win95 machines still running two years ago. Kept off the network, but needed since they ran software for specific pieces of lab equipment where the software had never been upgraded due to it never being verified to work on a more modern OS.

Per default corporate browser it’s a slow process among a limited set of IT resources to get a very broad upgrade pushed when it has to apply for four countries and four languages as well.

103 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:15:05pm

Speaking of cold, we’ve had some snow here at the Conspiracy Compound, with a current temp of 21. This is pretty close to as wintry as it ever gets around here, at least according to the old-timers. In spring and summer, this place is noted for its wild weather, with thunderstorms, tornadoes, hail, hurricane winds, and the odd rain of molten brimstone. Should be fun.

104 Ace-o-aces  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:15:08pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

I never heard a single person try to justify torture by saying “Saddam also tortures.” That’s a complete fantasy by Greenwald.

Well there was this,
old.nationalreview.com
Basically saying “Saddam’s torture was worse.”

105 b_sharp  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:17:45pm

re: #100 ObserverArt

It may be a real trick to pull off as I don’t know your design. But can you do the gradations with a gif image and maybe do the text shadow with two lines of type with their alignment set in the style sheet to have one on top both overlap and offset to mimic a shadow.

I feel for you…just trying help a brother out.

Thanks.
I’m going to strip it down and start from scratch to see if something is interfering with IE.
I may use that double line of type though.

106 Kragar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:20:16pm


LaBarbera just wants to be able hunt down and beat homosexuals like the Russians do.

107 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:20:16pm

re: #101 Kragar

I just want to find an HR department who understands the field.

“This is an entry level position”

“We require you to have at least two of the following certifications:” and then they list high level certs which take years to achieve and cost thousands of dollars.

Why would I waste my time applying for that shit?

They do that so they can say there are no American workers for the job so they can “justify” H1B hires.

108 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:21:03pm

re: #104 Ace-o-aces

Well there was this,
old.nationalreview.com
Basically saying “Saddam’s torture was worse.”

And a lot of people thought that it was a pretty lame excuse for something the US should not have been doing under just about any circumstances.

109 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:21:05pm

A nutburger on Freep was claiming that the Yellowstone basin is about to erupt and wipe out all life west of the Mississippi. “They” (ie every seismologist in the world) are concealing the news “to prevent panic.”
USGS says the rumbling and such is normal for that area and there is no eruption, big or little, on the agenda.

110 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:21:40pm

re: #84 Lidane

Very sorry to hear this. Wishing success for you.

111 Kragar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:22:54pm

re: #109 Shiplord Kirel

A nutburger on Freep was claiming that the Yellowstone basin is about to erupt and wipe out all life west of the Mississippi. “They” (ie every seismologist in the world) are concealing the news “to prevent panic.”
USGS says the rumbling and such is normal for that area and there is no eruption, big or little, on the agenda.

1) When the Yellowstone supervolcano blows, we better have a moon or mars colony set up.

2) The eruption is predicted in a few thousand years.

112 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:22:57pm

re: #106 Kragar

So Lababera wants more “freedom” and “less government” then I see. //

113 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:23:58pm

re: #109 Shiplord Kirel

Well of course they would say that. We know the troof!

114 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:24:18pm

re: #109 Shiplord Kirel

A nutburger on Freep was claiming that the Yellowstone basin is about to erupt and wipe out all life west of the Mississippi. “They” (ie every seismologist in the world) are concealing the news “to prevent panic.”
USGS says the rumbling and such is normal for that area and there is no eruption, big or little, on the agenda.

As opposed to scientists make a big ruckus about a pending supervolcanic eruption that will not simply wipe out all life for hundreds of miles but cover much of the country in volcanic ash and pump enough ash and debris into the atmosphere to initiate a nuclear winter scenario. Only for it to turn out that the rumbling was a presage to nothing and they’d sparked off massive global panic for absolutely nothing.

115 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:24:47pm

re: #109 Shiplord Kirel

A nutburger on Freep was claiming that the Yellowstone basin is about to erupt and wipe out all life west of the Mississippi. “They” (ie every seismologist in the world) are concealing the news “to prevent panic.”
USGS says the rumbling and such is normal for that area and there is no eruption, big or little, on the agenda.

Remember, for a lot of Freepers, every day that passes without an apocalypse is a sad day.

116 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:25:44pm

Oh my. What will the RWNJs drink now?

SodaStream up on speculation of possible Pepsi bid

marketwatch.com

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — Shares of SodaStream International Ltd. SODA +8.52% surged on Thursday following analyst speculation that PepsiCo Inc. PEP -0.01% could make a bid for the in-home beverage maker in the wake of the partnership between Coca-Cola Co. KO +1.05% and Green Mountain Coffee Roasters Inc. GMCR +26.73% “Pepsi has no place else to turn,” said analysts at Citron Research in explaining why Pepsi might be interested. SodaStream is also the only player in the industry with an impact and has brand recognition, they noted. The analysts also pointed out given that short interest on the stock is at 42% of outstanding shares, short sellers should be in fear of a Pepsi bid. “The shorts will have to go to bed every night hoping that tonight is not the night of the news,” they said. SodaStream shares initially tanked on the Coca-Cola and Green Mountain announcement but then bounced back Thursday to rally 9% to trade at $39.01 in recent activity.

117 b_sharp  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:26:56pm

re: #111 Kragar

1) When the Yellowstone supervolcano blows, we better have a moon or mars colony set up.

2) The eruption is predicted in a few thousand years.

Any chance we can hurry it up?

118 Kragar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:27:12pm

re: #115 Dr Lizardo

Remember, for a lot of Freepers, every day that passes without an apocalypse is a sad day.

“I’ll never be able to eat all these MREs before they expire if the Rapture doesn’t hit by this Spring.”

119 Kragar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:27:30pm

re: #117 b_sharp

Any chance we can hurry it up?

Why?

120 Lidane  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:28:09pm

re: #90 kirkspencer

Lidane, what do you do? There are one or two people here who have connections (and they’ve tried for me and succeeded for others), so put it out here. Just a summary: what do you do?

I manage relationships. I have a background that’s mostly in customer service, bizdev, and sales. I like getting to know people and companies and figuring out how they tick, and I like making sure that their needs as a client are being met. Basically, I’m looking for a Customer Success or Relationship Manager type role. I’ve applied for sales and account management gigs since I’ve done those before, but making endless cold calls sets my teeth on edge. I’m better suited at managing the post-sales relationship and making sure the client stays happy.

There’s actually one company I’d kill to work for here in Austin, and I’ve interviewed with them before. I’m also doing my best to stay on their radar. I’ve connected with their recruiters on LinkedIn and even went to a mixer they had recently. I made it a point to track down the VP that heads the CSM team at that mixer and tell her directly about my interest. Thing is, she won’t be looking to hire for that team here for another few months, and I can’t just sit around and wait to see if maybe I get a shot to work for them. I need to work.

121 b_sharp  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:29:10pm

re: #119 Kragar

Why?

Just to watch the pretty colors.

Actually, I want to open a RWNJ vacation resort on top of it.

122 Kragar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:29:12pm
123 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:30:36pm

re: #117 b_sharp

Any chance we can hurry it up?

Can you imagine all the hoopla there would be over Yellowstone Caldera 3000?

124 Lidane  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:30:54pm

re: #101 Kragar

I just want to find an HR department who understands the field.

“This is an entry level position”

“We require you to have at least two of the following certifications:” and then they list high level certs which take years to achieve and cost thousands of dollars.

Why would I waste my time applying for that shit?

I have been told by HR people that this is a standard trick when the company has an internal candidate in mind. They’re obligated to post the job publicly to see what kind of candidate pool they’ll have, but they tailor the job requirements to that one person’s resume.

The ones that really piss me off are the “entry level” positions that require 2-3 years experience. WTF? How is that entry level? If you’ve done a job for 2-3 years already you’re not entry level anymore.

125 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:31:03pm
Remember, for a lot of Freepers, every day that passes without an apocalypse is a sad day.

And most of them also believe that teh gay is an existential threat to Amercia and that they would fight to the death over their cheetos to save America for because something liberals. /

126 Snarknado!  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:31:05pm

re: #111 Kragar

1) When the Yellowstone supervolcano blows, we better have a moon or mars colony set up.

2) The eruption is predicted in a few thousand years.

What I’ve heard is “tomorrow or a thousand years from now.”

127 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:31:29pm

re: #122 Kragar

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Obama’s punishing her for speaking against him!!!

128 chadu  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:31:35pm

re: #117 b_sharp

Any chance we can hurry it up?

Ahem.

Inigo Montoya: I donna suppose you could speed things up?

Man in Black: If you’re in such a hurry, you could lower a rope or a tree branch or find something useful to do.

Inigo Montoya: I could do that. I have some rope up here, but I do not think you would accept my help, since I am only waiting around to kill you.

Man in Black: That does put a damper on our relationship.

129 Ian G.  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:32:02pm

re: #109 Shiplord Kirel

A nutburger on Freep was claiming that the Yellowstone basin is about to erupt and wipe out all life west of the Mississippi. “They” (ie every seismologist in the world) are concealing the news “to prevent panic.”
USGS says the rumbling and such is normal for that area and there is no eruption, big or little, on the agenda.

I was in Yellowstone this past August. Want to get the rangers there to roll their eyes? Ask them if an eruption is “overdue”.

130 chadu  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:33:04pm

re: #123 Justanotherhuman

Can you imagine all the hoopla there would be over Yellowstone Caldera 3000?

(takes a drag)

I caught Yellowstone Caldera 3000 at Burning Man in ‘97. Their set was tight, mang.

(exhales)

131 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:33:14pm

re: #127 Targetpractice

Typical Chicago thuggery but Chris Christie’s bullying and lane-closings is really great. //

132 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:33:44pm

re: #125 Bulworth

And most of them also believe that teh gay is an existential threat to Amercia and that they would fight to the death over their cheetos to save America for because something liberals. /

I’m quite sure a lot of the Freepers would be quite delighted with a Yellowstone eruption (say, like the Huckleberry Ridge eruption of 2.1 million years BP) as proof of “Divine wrath”.

133 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:34:16pm

re: #130 chadu

(takes a drag)

I caught Yellowstone Caldera 3000 at Burning Man in ‘97. Their set was >tight, mang.

(exhales)

LMAO!

134 Snarknado!  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:34:54pm

re: #124 Lidane

I’ve been on the other side of this, and it’s hard. The problem is even if we have an internal candidate, we have no choice but to list the position, then “objectively” consider the candidate. Objectively considered, how likely is it that someone who applied off the street will be hired over someone who’s been doing the job well for six months (or a year)? How many people’s time are we wasting with this crap?

Yet, we have no choice.

135 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:37:39pm

re: #91 b_sharp

Yup. Yup. Yup.
I’ve tried the methods from there and MSDN.
Simply doesn’t work.

Text Shadow in IE 11 not working

Q: The text in this example of text-shadow doesn’t display in IE 11, but does in FF & Chrome. […]

A: This happens because IE wants you to have a base color on the text. You also use text-shadow to define the base color.

You can change this so you also define the color property. […]

stackoverflow.com

Not sure about the gradient. Are you certain there’s not something in the cascade overriding it? I’ve found that when I have CSS problems it’s usually due to specificity—have you checked your rules in Firebug to verify which one is being applied? You can get Firebug Lite for IE here.

It can also be something really dumb, like a browser having a hissy fit and refusing to render something because a particular element doesn’t have a declared width, or there was a carriage return before a closing tag or whatever.

136 b.d.  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:37:44pm

re: #111 Kragar

1) When the Yellowstone supervolcano blows, we better have a moon or mars colony set up.

2) The eruption is predicted in a few thousand years.

I’m not sure when the supervolcano will blow but odds are that it will happen during a Freepathon.

137 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:38:37pm

re: #132 Dr Lizardo

I’m quite sure a lot of the Freepers would be quite delighted with a Yellowstone eruption (say, like the Huckleberry Ridge eruption of 2.1 million years BP) as proof of “Divine wrath”.

And Russia is waiting for another asteroid hit, this time closer to Moscow, to wipe out teh geys.

138 Bubblehead II  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:38:53pm

re: #117 b_sharp

Any chance we can hurry it up?

Lets not. I happen to live in the blast zone.

139 Ian G.  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:39:25pm

re: #86 Jay in Oregon

No, you’re pretty much spot-on. There’s absolutely no guarantee behind Bitcoin, so of course it fluctuates wildly (far more so than any other currency, or commodity).

And thus, the delusions of libertarian paradise smack into the cold, hard reality that currency without some, any government backing is worthless, hence your and my inability to walk into a Starbucks and buy a Venti latte with that bronze coin with Emperor Tiberius on it.

140 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:40:03pm

re: #109 Shiplord Kirel

Hardly the only supervolcano that could ruin your day. Yellowstone constantly rumbles with quakes, but the maps show only minor tremors that can’t be felt without instruments. Nothing to indicate anything pending - like a quake swarm with increased intensities, or changes in any of the geyser activity that is usually associated with quake activity.

And the Vesuvius complex might be far more dangerous in the short term, with a far greater population impacts (several million live on its slopes down through Naples).

Or any of the Indonesian volcanoes.

Or Mt. Rainier, which could cause mayhem in SEA-TAC.

141 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:40:20pm

re: #135 CuriousLurker

It can also be something really dumb, like a browser having a hissy fit and refusing to render something because a particular element doesn’t have a declared width, or there was a carriage return before a closing tag or whatever.

142 Kragar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:43:35pm

re: #139 Ian G.

No, you’re pretty much spot-on. There’s absolutely no guarantee behind Bitcoin, so of course it fluctuates wildly (far more so than any other currency, or commodity).

And thus, the delusions of libertarian paradise smack into the cold, hard reality that currency without some, any government backing is worthless, hence your and my inability to walk into a Starbucks and buy a Venti latte with that bronze coin with Emperor Tiberius on it.

I love that the libertarians who were screaming about returning to a gold standard are now all about bitcoins.

143 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:43:42pm

re: #91 b_sharp

re: #135 CuriousLurker

P.S. Also try this: CSS3 Gradient Generator

I can’t vouch for it as I’ve never used it before, but it’s worth a shot. Try putting it in a new, clean HTML doc and applying the style in all browsers. If it works, then you’ll know know the problem is somewhere in your existing CSS and you’ll have to dig around and try to find it. Or just kill the IE gradient in the interests of your continued mental health.

144 b_sharp  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:44:16pm

re: #135 CuriousLurker

Not sure about the gradient. Are you certain there’s not something in the cascade overriding it? I’ve found that when I have CSS problems it’s usually due to specificity—have you checked your rules in Firebug to verify which one is being applied? You can get Firebug Lite for IE here.

It can also be something really dumb, like a browser having a hissy fit and refusing to render something because a particular element doesn’t have a declared width, or there was a carriage return before a closing tag or whatever.

I’ve placed a base color both in the text-shadow call and just before it. I’m thinking something is interfering. I’m throwing together another bare site to see if I can get IE to see reason. If the bare site works then I’ll have to track down the interfering code.

I’ll try firebug for IE first though, it may be the inspector used by IE is crap.

145 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:44:34pm

re: #141 wrenchwench

[Embedded image]

Yes, THIS! LOL

146 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:45:11pm

re: #134 Snarknado!

I’ve been on the other side of this, and it’s hard. The problem is even if we have an internal candidate, we have no choice but to list the position, then “objectively” consider the candidate. Objectively considered, how likely is it that someone who applied off the street will be hired over someone who’s been doing the job well for six months (or a year)? How many people’s time are we wasting with this crap?

Yet, we have no choice.

It’s sort of the pendulum swinging too far the other way - but without some of these checks you got the cronyism and such where some manager or VP’s second cousin suddenly turned up when there was an opening.

147 chadu  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:45:32pm

re: #133 Justanotherhuman

LMAO!

Yeah, their front-man at the time, Percy “Death Caribou” Kotzwinkle, bit the head off of a live Libertarian onstage during the “You’re Gettin’ My Geyser Ready to Blow, Baby” drum solo.

Wild, mang.

148 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:46:40pm

re: #147 chadu

Yeah, their front-man at the time, Percy “Death Caribou” Kotzwinkle, bit the head off of a live Libertarian onstage during the “You’re Gettin’ My Geyser Ready to Blow, Baby” drum solo.

Wild, mang.

We’ll have to get them a gig at the Perfidious Albion.

149 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:47:58pm

re: #140 lawhawk

Hardly the only supervolcano that could ruin your day. Yellowstone constantly rumbles with quakes, but the maps show only minor tremors that can’t be felt without instruments. Nothing to indicate anything pending - like a quake swarm with increased intensities, or changes in any of the geyser activity that is usually associated with quake activity.

And the Vesuvius complex might be far more dangerous in the short term, with a far greater population impacts (several million live on its slopes down through Naples).

Or any of the Indonesian volcanoes.

Or Mt. Rainier, which could cause mayhem in SEA-TAC.

Hell, there’s a volcano in the Canary Islands which could pop its top next week and drop over a trillion tons of debris into the ocean, creating a megatsunami that would wipe out the East Coast. Or so say two scientists whose theory is the subject of rigorous debate in the scientific community. As is the theory that the Earth is due for a cataclysmic encounter with another celestial object. And theories about the potential for coronal ejection that could cause massive damage to electronic devices and power supplies on Earth. And so forth.

There’s no end to the ways that we could be either reduced to a pre-industrial situation or simply wiped out if you delve into scientific theory. But you have a better chance of dying tomorrow from slipping and cracking your skull than you do being killed by a gamma ray burst from a neighboring star.

150 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:48:14pm

re: #144 b_sharp

I’ve placed a base color both in the text-shadow call and just before it. I’m thinking something is interfering. I’m throwing together another bare site to see if I can get IE to see reason. If the bare site works then I’ll have to track down the interfering code.

I’ll try firebug for IE first though, it may be the inspector used by IE is crap.

Sounds like a good plan. If all else fails you can take it out back and threaten it. I’ve never had that actually work, but it makes me feel better sometimes. //

Okay, gotta get back to work… BBL

151 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:48:43pm

He’s getting really wound up now. : )


Do you think they really care about your ass, Glenn?

152 chadu  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:49:30pm

re: #148 Feline Fearless Leader

We’ll have to get them a gig at the Perfidious Albion.

Great venue.

Maybe get Vermicious Kid to open for them? If you think their fans would dig Finnish-language gangsta rap based on the Kalevala?

(Saw VK at Perfid Al’s — as we call it round my parts — back in ‘08. Set was off the hook, mang.)

153 chadu  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:50:28pm

re: #149 Targetpractice

But you have a better chance of dying tomorrow from slipping and cracking your skull than you do being killed by a gamma ray burst from a neighboring star.

And the chance of getting superpowers is lower than that.

Dammit.

154 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:50:40pm

re: #151 Justanotherhuman

Quickly, before I go: littlegreenfootballs.com

Later, lizards.

For real this time…

155 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:52:02pm

re: #151 Justanotherhuman

He’s getting really wound up now. : )

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Do you think they really care about your ass, Glenn?

Is it lonely up there on your pedestal, Glenn?

156 thedopefishlives  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:53:09pm

Afternoon Lizardim from the bitterly cold and windy wild north country. So, the dudebros are doing what they always do - equivocate. How go things in the war on derp?

157 chadu  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:53:10pm

re: #154 CuriousLurker

Quickly, before I go: littlegreenfootballs.com

Later, lizards.

For real this time…

AHA! The correct tag for a line of teensy text is either angle-bracket sup or perhaps angle-bracket sub, despite the use of such as a solo line formatting is a sin against proper layout and font usage?!?!

VICTORY IS (FINALLY) MINE!!!!11ty!!1

158 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:53:27pm

Not the entire ear, but damn.


Coupled w/the rest of it, surely torture.

159 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:53:48pm

re: #104 Ace-o-aces

Well there was this,
old.nationalreview.com
Basically saying “Saddam’s torture was worse.”

That article, though, is not trying to justify US use of torture.

160 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:54:38pm

re: #154 CuriousLurker

Quickly, before I go: littlegreenfootballs.com

Later, lizards.

For real this time…

Aww. : )

161 b.d.  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:54:46pm

QUIT TALKING ABOUT HOW SUCKY RUSSIA IS!!! THE USA IS THE MOST HORRIBLE POLICE STATE ON EARTH!!

162 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:56:39pm

Wow, Greenwald is really ranting like a loon today.

163 Political Atheist  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:57:15pm

re: #43 blueraven

Well, the Senate just voted down Unemployment extension 48-50

WTF?! Rollcall?

164 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:57:29pm
165 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:57:48pm
166 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:59:36pm

re: #165 lawhawk

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That was always going to be the most obvious result, as I saw it.

167 b_sharp  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 12:59:52pm

re: #143 CuriousLurker

P.S. Also try this: CSS3 Gradient Generator

I can’t vouch for it as I’ve never used it before, but it’s worth a shot. Try putting it in a new, clean HTML doc and applying the style in all browsers. If it works, then you’ll know know the problem is somewhere in your existing CSS and you’ll have to dig around and try to find it. Or just kill the IE gradient in the interests of your continued mental health.

Thanks. That looks handy.

168 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:00:30pm

re: #165 lawhawk

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But people are being encouraged not to work as hard or as long! That’s bad for the economy! OBAMACARE IS KILLING JOBS!!!

169 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:00:56pm

Another excellent article on Ukraine, this time about the “tituski” or govt paid thugs.

Streetfighting Men
Is Ukraine’s government bankrolling a secret army of Adidas-clad thugs?

foreignpolicy.com

170 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:01:46pm

re: #162 Charles Johnson

Why is today different than any other day?

171 Kragar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:02:01pm
172 thedopefishlives  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:02:52pm

re: #170 lawhawk

Why is today different than any other day?

Because all of the crap coming out of Sochi (literally) is making his beloved Russia look bad. He’s got to stick up for the Fatherland.

173 simoom  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:03:08pm

re: #151 Justanotherhuman

He’s getting really wound up now. : )

Do you think they really care about your ass, Glenn?

They’re mainly implicated in terrible journalistic practices. There’s a kind of journalistic peer review process that should occur when multiple news outlets independently investigate the same story. The way Greenwald has structured his publishing relationships around the Snowden files completely undermines that:

politico.com

Greenwald said he has worked with news outlets around the globe to publicize newsworthy aspects of the documents Edward Snowden copied while working for the NSA in Hawaii. …

“We do the reporting first… I vet the stories,” Greenwald said. “We come with the story already formed. We work on drafts of the story. We always edit the story. We have approval rights.

The partnering news outlets are effectively laundering Greenwald’s work, making it appear like they’ve done their own reporting, when in fact they’re mostly acting as stenographers chasing easy traffic.

174 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:04:15pm

Apparently things like early retirement and taking time to care for a family are now bad if the ACA is a contributing factor, or so the wingnuts are screaming. If you’re not engaged in bone-grinding work to qualify for health insurance, then damnit, you’re hurting the economy!

175 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:04:48pm

re: #172 thedopefishlives

Because all of the crap coming out of Sochi (literally) is making his beloved Russia look bad. He’s got to stick up for the Fatherland Motherland.

FTFY

176 thedopefishlives  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:05:30pm

re: #175 Targetpractice

FTFY

Sorry. I thought Russia used the same expression.

177 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:05:50pm

re: #149 Targetpractice

Hell, there’s a volcano in the Canary Islands which could pop its top next week and drop over a trillion tons of debris into the ocean, creating a megatsunami that would wipe out the East Coast. Or so say two scientists whose theory is the subject of rigorous debate in the scientific community. As is the theory that the Earth is due for a cataclysmic encounter with another celestial object. And theories about the potential for coronal ejection that could cause massive damage to electronic devices and power supplies on Earth. And so forth.

There’s no end to the ways that we could be either reduced to a pre-industrial situation or simply wiped out if you delve into scientific theory. But you have a better chance of dying tomorrow from slipping and cracking your skull than you do being killed by a gamma ray burst from a neighboring star.

And that gamma ray burst is going to show up with zero warning at all given our current technology.

178 Snarknado!  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:06:12pm

re: #146 Feline Fearless Leader

Oh, I know… but we can hire someone’s second cousin on a temporary basis without much ado, then advertise the permanent position — and now second cousin has a legitimate inside track on that position.

I really don’t have a solution for this, except to hire people who won’t manipulate the rules — and accept that there will always be the occasional case of someone who knows someone and has an inside track , because the hirer knows this is a qualified candidate.

179 Kragar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:07:02pm
180 Lidane  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:07:06pm
181 Ian G.  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:09:12pm

re: #165 lawhawk

That should be self-evident. If you’re not chained to a large company/union providing your health insurance, you would be more likely to venture off and do your own thing.

182 Ian G.  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:10:21pm

bloomberg.com

So today is February 6th. Anyone following this thing know if Ham’s lunatic vision has gone bankrupt, and wiped out the “investments” of his raving lunatic followers?

183 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:11:21pm

re: #181 Ian G.

That should be self-evident. If you’re not chained to a large company/union providing your health insurance, you would be more likely to venture off and do your own thing.

It’s why the GOP is scared shitless, because their big corporate backers are scared shitless. They’re scared of the implications of the ACA, that not only will they lose the leverage that offering health insurance gave them over employees, but now they’ll have to deal with a smaller and younger workforce while other employees will take that new idea that they had and market it themselves instead of letting their bosses profit from it.

184 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:13:20pm
185 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:14:48pm

re: #184 lawhawk

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Not only approved the bailout, but then railed against suggestions that those benefiting from it should take a pay cut. And I can’t remember a single one of those who supported the bailouts insisting they be paid for.

186 Kragar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:15:01pm

I almost wish they’d start their 2nd Civil War already.

After they get crushed utterly, we could actually get things done.

187 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:16:59pm

re: #186 Kragar

I almost wish they’d start their 2nd Civil War already.

After they get crushed utterly, we could actually get things done.

I imagine that a Second Civil War would be even more inane than the first. What is their unifying belief? “States rights” isn’t exactly going to win over those portions of the populace that know what that battle cry meant for them in decades and centuries past.

188 thedopefishlives  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:18:02pm

re: #186 Kragar

I almost wish they’d start their 2nd Civil War already.

After they get crushed utterly, we could actually get things done.

I don’t. I really, really, really don’t want to have to kill these idiots. I draw the line at wishing death on my fellow Americans, as derpy as they may be.

189 EPR-radar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:20:27pm

re: #188 thedopefishlives

I don’t. I really, really, really don’t want to have to kill these idiots. I draw the line at wishing death on my fellow Americans, as derpy as they may be.

I also hope it don’t come to a shooting war. However, this version of conservatism really does need to end up on the trash heap of history, since it consists of nothing more than appeals to the worst nature of its voters.

190 Lidane  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:22:04pm

re: #188 thedopefishlives

I don’t. I really, really, really don’t want to have to kill these idiots. I draw the line at wishing death on my fellow Americans, as derpy as they may be.

It wouldn’t get that far. The local SWAT teams would just have to commandeer whatever scooter charging stations the teabaggers set up in the area and it would all be over in a matter of minutes.

191 Kragar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:22:13pm

re: #188 thedopefishlives

I don’t. I really, really, really don’t want to have to kill these idiots. I draw the line at wishing death on my fellow Americans, as derpy as they may be.

I’m tired of their bullshit and ridiculous saber rattling.

192 thedopefishlives  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:25:28pm

re: #191 Kragar

Oh, don’t get me wrong, I’m as sick of it all as any of you. But I’m an American first and foremost, and to me, that means I take care of my countrymen until they prove themselves guilty of wrongdoing. If and when they cross the line and need to be put down, put me at the front of the shooting line, but until then, they may be idiots, but they’re our idiots.

193 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:25:44pm

re: #182 Ian G.

bloomberg.com

So today is February 6th. Anyone following this thing know if Ham’s lunatic vision has gone bankrupt, and wiped out the “investments” of his raving lunatic followers?

Deadline is today. Don’t know if it’s midnight or COB.
I just don’t want anymore of my tax dollars here in Kentucky going to that fraud.

194 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:25:59pm

Poll discovers EuroMaidan evolution from dreamy to radical

kyivpost.com

“The portrait of an average EuroMaidan activist looks something like this: a man from western Ukraine, about 40 years of age and a specialist likely with a higher education. His main demand is resignation of Viktor Yanukovych and he is not going to leave Maidan for anything less.

“Less than two months ago, the average protester looked a bit different: he or she likely hailed from western or central Ukraine, with less radical demands and would even have been satisfied with the resignation of the government. Victory then could have come without the resignation of the president.

“Both portraits were given by Ukrainian sociologist and political analyst Iryna Bekeshkina during a presentation of new research conducted by Democratic Initiatives on the evolution of the EuroMaidan movement. The research was done in three phases on Dec. 10, Dec. 20 and Feb. 3. The latter focused on 502 protesters who have consistently stayed at the EuroMaidan tent camp on Independence Square. The studies on Dec. 10 and 20 surveyed 1,037 and 515 protesters, respectively.” (cont)

195 Kragar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:26:57pm

re: #192 thedopefishlives

Oh, don’t get me wrong, I’m as sick of it all as any of you. But I’m an American first and foremost, and to me, that means I take care of my countrymen until they prove themselves guilty of wrongdoing. If and when they cross the line and need to be put down, put me at the front of the shooting line, but until then, they may be idiots, but they’re our idiots.

Personally, I’d be perfectly willing to help them all move to Russia where they can live happy and free with their own kind. I’d even be willing to take in any Russians who want to swap places with them.

196 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:27:18pm

re: #194 Justanotherhuman

Poll discovers EuroMaidan evolution from dreamy to radical

kyivpost.com

“The portrait of an average EuroMaidan activist looks something like this: a man from western Ukraine, about 40 years of age and a specialist likely with a higher education. His main demand is resignation of Viktor Yanukovych and he is not going to leave Maidan for anything less.

“Less than two months ago, the average protester looked a bit different: he or she likely hailed from western or central Ukraine, with less radical demands and would even have been satisfied with the resignation of the government. Victory then could have come without the resignation of the president.

“Both portraits were given by Ukrainian sociologist and political analyst Iryna Bekeshkina during a presentation of new research conducted by Democratic Initiatives on the evolution of the EuroMaidan movement. The research was done in three phases on Dec. 10, Dec. 20 and Feb. 3. The latter focused on 502 protesters who have consistently stayed at the EuroMaidan tent camp on Independence Square. The studies on Dec. 10 and 20 surveyed 1,037 and 515 protesters, respectively.” (cont)

No offense, but the tone of that article reads as dismissive rather than supportive.

197 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:27:52pm

Speaking of Russian spying……
Ukraine crisis: Leaked phone call embarrasses US

An apparently hacked phone conversation during which a senior US diplomat disparages the EU over the Ukraine crisis has been posted online.

A voice resembling that of Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland reportedly tells the US envoy to Ukraine: “F*** the EU”.

The US said Ms Nuland had “apologised for these reported comments”.

The audio also reveals a frank exchange about America’s strategy on how to work with Ukraine’s main opposition leaders.

The tape appeared on YouTube after Russia had accused Washington of meddling in Ukraine.

198 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:28:25pm

re: #181 Ian G.

That should be self-evident. If you’re not chained to a large company/union providing your health insurance, you would be more likely to venture off and do your own thing.

My post graduate fellowship was with University of Kentucky’s Entrepreneurial Coaches Institute. The # 1 reason that people will not make the attempt to start their own business is having to lose their employer-provided access to affordable health insurance.

199 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:30:38pm

Very small excerpt at about 2:30
‘F**k the EU’: US State Dept. official in phone chat on Ukraine
Youtube Video

200 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:32:30pm

re: #199 Killgore Trout

Very small excerpt at about 2:30
‘F**k the EU’: US State Dept. official in phone chat on Ukraine
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“Sorry you found out I told you to go fuck yourself. Now fuck off.”
/lol

201 The Mountain That Blogs  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:32:33pm

re: #179 Kragar

Why so dismissive of rat poison? I wonder if he is or has a close relative on Coumadin.

202 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:33:06pm

The Gordon Ramsey school of diplomacy.

203 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:33:43pm

re: #196 Targetpractice

No offense, but the tone of that article reads as dismissive rather than supportive.

I didn’t read it that way at all. It was about a study of who participates, and a couple of interviews.

204 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:35:27pm

re: #203 Justanotherhuman

I didn’t read it that way at all. It was about a study of who participates, and a couple of interviews.

Sorry, it’s just I read the suggestion that the view of Maidan members has changed from somebody who’d accept less than resignation to someone who will not stop short of resignation as something we see here in the US press, where “radicals” are treated as people who should be marginalized and ignored because they’re “unreasonable.”

205 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:36:17pm

re: #124 Lidane

The ones that really piss me off are the “entry level” positions that require 2-3 years experience. WTF? How is that entry level? If you’ve done a job for 2-3 years already you’re not entry level anymore.

Those 2-3 years were done as an unpaid internship.

See how unpaid internships (slave labor) pull down everything above that?

206 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:37:01pm

Classy of Putin’s FSB to leak that embarrassing phone tap right as the Olympics begin.

207 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:42:15pm

re: #206 Charles Johnson

Classy of Putin’s FSB to leak that embarrassing phone tap right as the Olympics begin.

It’s also interesting that they posted it on youtube for public relations purposes. If they thought they were getting good intel from listening to the phone calls they’d listen and keep their mouths shut.

208 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:42:29pm

Another thing about ACA and my personal anecdotal experience over the last decade or so with friends, acquaintances and former co-workers is that most of the married women are working shit jobs that they hate just to get insurance for their kids and, sometimes, for themselves, because the family coverage through the husband’s employer is priced too high.
And almost all of these particular women I know are working solely for the insurance coverage because after their employee contribution to the premiums plus the cost of commuting and childcare if the children are too young, there is little or nothing left of their minimum-wage take-home pay.
The wingnuts are all about women staying home. They should be rejoicing about this development.

209 Please Proceed  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:42:33pm

re: #84 Lidane

Soul crushing is a good way of putting it. I hate being out of work. I want a job. I send applications daily. I go to ridiculous job fairs and write customized cover letters (like the one I’m agonizing over right now) so they don’t come across as just copy and paste jobs to the hiring manager. I spend a lot of time on LinkedIn and other job boards looking for work. This stinks.

Watching these assholes in Congress play with UI benefits and make sanctimonious pronouncements about how it’s immoral to pay benefits and how the unemployed are lazy pisses me off.

It’s worse that soul crushing, but I don’t have a term for it….

I have a sucky job, so I’m also on the market. My background is in marketing/PR. If I read one more ad for a company that is looking for a “Rock Star” I may have to kill. Yes, I’ll be your Rock Star. I’ll come into work at noon, hungover, and spend the day getting the interns pregnant. And in my spare time, I’ll OD and charge you for rehab… #$@!%$%$#% Rock Star…

210 simoom  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:44:15pm

re: #197 Killgore Trout

Speaking of Russian spying……
Ukraine crisis: Leaked phone call embarrasses US

cbsnews.com

[A]n aide to Russian deputy prime minister, Dmitry Rogozin, was among the first to tweet about a YouTube video that contains audio of the alleged call between the top US diplomat for Europe, Victoria Nuland, and the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt. The video, which shows photos of Nuland and Pyatt, is subtitled in Russian.

In the tweet, posted some seven hours before existence of the video became widely known on Thursday, the Rogozin aide, Dmitry Loskutov, opined: “Sort of controversial judgment from Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland speaking about the EU.”

Here’s the tweet:

211 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:45:04pm

re: #206 Charles Johnson

Classy of Putin’s FSB to leak that embarrassing phone tap right as the Olympics begin.

The EU really has been dragging its feet on sanctions. Austria allowed Mykola Azarov who resigned as PM to fly there, among others.

Austrian Embassy has not confirmed Austrian citizenship of Azarov, Arbuzov and Kliuyev

kyivpost.com

212 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:45:06pm

AOL deserves all the scorn I can muster. The company slashes and burns its 401k benefits claiming that it had to do so because two of its employees gave birth to children requiring $2m in care. Oh, and Obamacare.

The company has 5,000+ employees. Not all of them make $12m like its head, Tim Armstrong.

213 RadicalModerate  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:46:13pm

re: #164 Charles Johnson

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Looking at his timeline, he’s either got an autoscript posting whenever someone on his follows posts, or he is a major-league zealot who has some OCD issues as well.

214 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:46:28pm

This is 9 hours old, so y’all have probably seen it already.

215 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:47:18pm

BBC and Russia today both characterize the context more or less the same way….

At one point, the female speaker mentions the UN and its possible role in trying to find a solution to the Ukraine stand-off.

“So that would be great, I think, to help glue this thing and have the UN help glue it and you know… f*** the EU,” she says.

Why “fuck the EU”? The EU and/or NATO seem far more likely to accomplish something or at least arrive at a consensus. The UN seems very unlikely to do anything, especially with Russia on the Security Council. What’s the logic in going with the UN on this?

216 Lidane  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:48:19pm

re: #209 Please Proceed

It’s worse that soul crushing, but I don’t have a term for it….

I have a sucky job, so I’m also on the market. My background is in marketing/PR. If I read one more ad for a company that is looking for a “Rock Star” I may have to kill. Yes, I’ll be your Rock Star. I’ll come into work at noon, hungover, and spend the day getting the interns pregnant. And in my spare time, I’ll OD and charge you for rehab… #$@!%$%$#% Rock Star…

I HATE the ads that ask for a “Rock Star” or a “Ninja”. WTF does that even mean? Fuck you for couching your real job requirements in idiotic language that you think makes you sound hip but just makes you sound like a tool.

217 William of Orange  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:48:39pm

Classic OOPS!! Dutch style.

A classic windmill in the South West of the Netherlands suffered major damage after a big gust of wind. The sails were blown off….

Windmill in better days on Google streetview.

218 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:49:28pm
219 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:50:45pm

It must really suck for the wingnuts with all the stores and companies on their boycott list.

Me, I just stay out of Walmart.

220 Political Atheist  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:51:35pm

re: #117 b_sharp

1) When the Yellowstone supervolcano blows, we better have a moon or mars colony set up.

2) The eruption is predicted in a few thousand years.

Any chance we can hurry it up?

Which one? ///

221 Kragar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:52:04pm

Apparently, Russia just seized seized the homes of thousands of people and told them to get out to make room for the Winter Games

From last year:

Susan Ormiston: Russia’s $50B Sochi Olympics gamble

Of the 2,000 Sochi and area homeowners displaced by construction, a few families still haven’t settled their claims for compensation.

One of the last holdouts, the Mzokov family, watched the home they built in 1999 bulldozed in September to make way for a road far from the Olympic site. A nasty fight ensued over legal ownership, and Natalia Mzokova is furious.

“We got legal registration in 1999. But nobody talks to us, all the courts take the side of the authorities. We have all the proper documents and they do not even look at them,” she says. “So much money spent on Olympics and our house was not in the way.”

Put the Mzokov family’s case to Chernyshenko, the Olympic Organizing Committee CEO, and he is conciliatory.

“In the end, we will fulfil the order from the president of Russia who said that all citizens should be compensated fairly.”

222 blueraven  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:53:26pm

re: #206 Charles Johnson

Classy of Putin’s FSB to leak that embarrassing phone tap right as the Olympics begin.

Probably trying to deflect from the @SochiProblems

223 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:54:23pm

This is the stupidest meme I have seen all day.

224 Flying Squirrel Girl  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:54:30pm

re: #185 Targetpractice

Silly! That’s because we didn’t have a black president then!

225 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:55:00pm

re: #222 blueraven

226 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:55:02pm

re: #211 Justanotherhuman

The EU really has been dragging its feet on sanctions. Austria allowed Mykola Azarov who resigned as PM to fly there, among others.

Austrian Embassy has not confirmed Austrian citizenship of Azarov, Arbuzov and Kliuyev

kyivpost.com

Eu response has been slow but we haven’t seen anything from the UN. The best we can hope for is a strongly worded letter and even that’s unlikely.

227 William of Orange  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:55:29pm
228 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:56:24pm

re: #221 Kragar

Apparently, Russia just seized seized the homes of thousands of people and told them to get out to make room for the Winter Games

From last year:

Susan Ormiston: Russia’s $50B Sochi Olympics gamble

And the wholesale poisoning of “stray dogs”…many of those are apparently family pets that the families were forced to leave behind.

*spit*

229 EPR-radar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:56:58pm

re: #216 Lidane

I HATE the ads that ask for a “Rock Star” or a “Ninja”. WTF does that even mean? Fuck you for couching your real job requirements in idiotic language that you think makes you sound hip but just makes you sound like a tool.

This economy badly needs a good old-fashioned labor shortage. Crap like this happens when jobs are too scarce and the ‘job creators’ and/or gatekeepers (HR departments) get delusions of grandeur.

230 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:57:03pm

Here’s the whole conversation
Youtube Video

231 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:57:34pm

re: #223 Pie-onist Overlord

And that too is 100% wrong.

The country imposed taxes long before the national income tax in 1913. Property tax was the primary tax on people, and it definitely meant people didn’t keep 100% of what they made.

232 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:57:37pm

re: #223 Pie-onist Overlord

This is the stupidest meme I have seen all day.

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That ones been running around for awhile. And it’s utter horseshit, because as long as you lived anywhere with some form of government (local, state, or federal) you paid taxes.

233 Lidane  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:58:24pm

re: #227 William of Orange

234 Kragar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:58:30pm

re: #223 Pie-onist Overlord

This is the stupidest meme I have seen all day.

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235 William of Orange  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:58:52pm

So much for the NFL claiming it is the most viewed sport event on Earth….


And yes that’s called FOOTBALL ! (and not constantly making “hands”)

236 RadicalModerate  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:59:32pm

re: #215 Killgore Trout

BBC and Russia today both characterize the context more or less the same way….

Why “fuck the EU”? The EU and/or NATO seem far more likely to accomplish something or at least arrive at a consensus. The UN seems very unlikely to do anything, especially with Russia on the Security Council. What’s the logic in going with the UN on this?

Let me understand this. The outrage is about language that was used in a private conversation between the US Ambassador to Ukraine and the US Assistant Sec of State, and *NOT* the fact that Russia apparently tapped and recorded that call and subsequently made the conversation public? Does Putin really want that badly to undermine relations with an ally that he needs a lot more than we need him?

237 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:59:38pm

re: #210 simoom

cbsnews.com

Here’s the tweet:

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The naivete of some of the commenters is really disturbing.

They think the US is “managing” the situation in the Ukraine and setting up the person the US wants as president. Looks to me as though Russia may be trying to set up some tension between the US and the Euromaidans.

Russia already has their man in there, and clearly shows they record conversations between the US ambassador and State Dept rep routinely.

What are they trying to pull with this crap?

238 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:00:08pm

re: #223 Pie-onist Overlord

This is the stupidest meme I have seen all day.

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Yep, just like the railroad workers, coal miners, textile workers, etc. got to keep all their money (that the company stores let them keep).

239 EPR-radar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:02:09pm

re: #232 Targetpractice

That ones been running around for awhile. And it’s utter horseshit, because as long as you lived anywhere with some form of government (local, state, or federal) you paid taxes.

Most forms of taxation other than the income tax are consumption taxes of one kind or another, which tend to be regressive.

Propaganda against the income tax by the GOP/RWNJs is yet another way they do the bidding of their top 0.001% masters.

240 Testy Toad T  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:02:15pm

re: #238 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yep, just like the railroad workers, coal miners, textile workers, etc. got to keep all their money (that the company stores let them keep).

Jobs: created. Confirmed. Fact.

241 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:03:00pm

re: #225 lawhawk

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242 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:03:55pm

re: #230 Killgore Trout

Here’s the whole conversation
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Fascinating to listen to the insider planning. This is how things work and we almost never get to see it in action. The UN plan is obviously Whitehouse policy, discussions and meetings with Ban ki Moon and Biden are mentioned. The “Fuck the EU” line does seem to have some genuine animosity behind it. The White House is pissed at the EU over something here, not sure what.

243 William of Orange  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:05:46pm
244 RadicalModerate  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:05:57pm

re: #219 Pie-onist Overlord

It must really suck for the wingnuts with all the stores and companies on their boycott list.

Me, I just stay out of Walmart.

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Yeah, I’ve got only three that I don’t go to anymore.
Wal-mart, because of their repeated violations of labor laws in treatment of employees.
Chick-fil-a, because of the company owner’s extreme bigotry, and forcing those beliefs on those who work for him.
Hobby Lobby, for claiming their religious beliefs preclude giving workers proper health coverage.

245 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:06:58pm

re: #236 RadicalModerate

Let me understand this. The outrage is about language that was used in a private conversation between the US Ambassador to Ukraine and the US Assistant Sec of State, and *NOT* the fact that Russia apparently tapped and recorded that call and subsequently made the conversation public? Does Putin really want that badly to undermine relations with an ally that he needs a lot more than we need him?

I’m not surprised Russia is listening to our planning calls, a little more surprised that they are posting them on Youtube. But what I’m really interested in is US policy and why they’re trying to work around the EU. Are EU and US interests in Ukraine at odds? Why is going through the UN better than working with the EU?

246 Kragar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:07:56pm

re: #244 RadicalModerate

Yeah, I’ve got only three that I don’t go to anymore.
Wal-mart, because of their repeated violations of labor laws in treatment of employees.
Chick-fil-a, because of the company owner’s extreme bigotry, and forcing those beliefs on those who work for him.
Hobby Lobby, for claiming their religious beliefs preclude giving workers proper health coverage.

Yeah, that is about it for me as well. Of course I don’t think we even have a local Hobby Lobby, so that one is easy enough.

I do miss Chick-fil-a on occasion though.

247 Testy Toad T  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:08:19pm

re: #244 RadicalModerate

Three for three!

(fistbump)

248 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:08:24pm

re: #223 Pie-onist Overlord

This is the stupidest meme I have seen all day.

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I see they didn’t show the awful tenements the huge influx of immigrants were living in at that time.

Or the Michigan Copper Strike of 1913-14.

copperrange.org

249 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:09:59pm

Wake the old Pittsburgh contingent from their naps—Ralph Kiner has died. Haven’t heard his name in 50 years, but he was my grandfather’s reason for living.

usatoday.com

250 William of Orange  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:10:03pm

LOL. God is soo funny!!

251 Kragar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:10:52pm

re: #248 Justanotherhuman

I see they didn’t show the awful tenements the huge influx of immigrants were living in at that time.

Or the Michigan Copper Strike of 1913-14.

copperrange.org

Or US troops and Pinkertons used to bust up Unions

252 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:11:34pm

re: #251 Kragar

Or US troops and Pinkertons used to bust up Unions

Are you kidding? They’ll never show that stuff.

253 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:13:50pm

re: #249 Decatur Deb

Wake the old Pittsburgh contingent from their naps—Ralph Kiner has died. Haven’t heard his name in 50 years, but he was my grandfather’s reason for living.

usatoday.com

Announcer for the Mets for years. Familiar with his voice from when I lived in northern NY and the TV baseball broadcasts were Mets, Yankees, or Expos depending on the cable channel.

254 Testy Toad T  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:14:40pm

re: #252 Justanotherhuman

Are you kidding? They’ll never show that stuff. They can’t get enough of that stuff.

FTFY.

255 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:17:48pm

re: #244 RadicalModerate

Yeah, I’ve got only three that I don’t go to anymore.
Wal-mart, because of their repeated violations of labor laws in treatment of employees.
Chick-fil-a, because of the company owner’s extreme bigotry, and forcing those beliefs on those who work for him.
Hobby Lobby, for claiming their religious beliefs preclude giving workers proper health coverage.

I stopped shopping at Whole Foods when their crazy CEO refused to give his employees a decent wage & healthcare. And his stuff is marked up like hundreds of % more than other supermarkets.

I don’t go to any fast food places because I observe kosher. Most kosher places are little mom & pop’s who deserve support. Vegan places are by default also kosher, I don’t know of any vegan places around here.

However when I was in LA I found that this place “The Coffee Bean” (a Starbuck-like coffee place) had a kosher certification! Their green tea tasted like stinky socks, and a tuna sandwich cost $8.50.

256 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:17:49pm

Lewis Hine did some wonderful photos of tenement living in the early 1900s.

historyinphotos.blogspot.com

Many of them did piece work for the garment industry—kids included.

257 Kragar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:18:30pm
258 b.d.  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:19:33pm
259 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:19:54pm

re: #251 Kragar

Or US troops and Pinkertons used to bust up Unions

I challenge any of those who think that one got to keep 100% of what he earned to explain the Homestead Strike.

260 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:20:14pm

re: #257 Kragar

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RW’ers sure do looooove them some Putin!

261 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:21:13pm

re: #257 Kragar

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The irony of a KGB thug portraying himself as a man of God is apparently lost on so many who just loves them some authoritarianism.

262 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:21:17pm

And Hine’s photos of child mill workers. My own grandmother did a stint in a mill at age 12. She never went past the 6th grade.

historyinphotos.blogspot.com

263 Kragar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:21:27pm

re: #259 Targetpractice

I challenge any of those who think that one got to keep 100% of what he earned to explain the Homestead Strike.

Or the Pullman strike

or the Ludlow massacre

264 Archangelus  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:21:31pm

re: #84 Lidane

Soul crushing is a good way of putting it. I hate being out of work. I want a job. I send applications daily. I go to ridiculous job fairs and write customized cover letters (like the one I’m agonizing over right now) so they don’t come across as just copy and paste jobs to the hiring manager. I spend a lot of time on LinkedIn and other job boards looking for work. This stinks.

Watching these assholes in Congress play with UI benefits and make sanctimonious pronouncements about how it’s immoral to pay benefits and how the unemployed are lazy pisses me off.

I feel your pain only too well, fully sympathize and wish you the best of luck. Was fired myself nearly two months ago from the company I was working for these past few years (they withheld portions of my salary, violated employee rights and then fired me after I complained; forced to file a lawsuit, which makes things worse).
My main consolation is that I can freelance a bit while I’m looking for steady (and decent) employment, and that while it’s difficult to find work here as well, it’s not as bad as back home in the States. Looking for work in this day and age is a crazy effort in any western country and even more so in the US - which really makes the soulless bastards in Congress even worse as a result.

265 Kragar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:21:58pm
266 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:22:57pm

re: #263 Kragar

Or the Pullman strike

or the Ludlow massacre

Or the Coal Creek War.

Or the Battle of Blair Mountain.

Or the Bonus Army.

267 blueraven  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:23:04pm

re: #245 Killgore Trout

I’m not surprised Russia is listening to our planning calls, a little more surprised that they are posting them on Youtube. But what I’m really interested in is US policy and why they’re trying to work around the EU. Are EU and US interests in Ukraine at odds? Why is going through the UN better than working with the EU?

There is a reason they put out this particular excerpt. To get the rubes all riled up.

268 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:24:29pm

This is a photo of a child worker in a mill located in the county seat here. They just demolished that mill a couple of years ago.

Image: Lewis+Hine+-+Girl+beginning+to+spin.+Many+of+these+there.+Lincolnton,+North+Carolina,+1908.jpg

269 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:24:33pm

I had a medical procedure this morning and feel like crap all day, so I’m not in the mood of baking a pie but I have a craving some baked goods.

270 RadicalModerate  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:25:30pm

re: #235 William of Orange

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So much for the NFL claiming it is the most viewed sport event on Earth….

The disparity between the various soccer matches and the Super Bowl isn’t nearly as pronounced as that chart would indicate. The reason is that the way the US calculates television ratings is much different than how it is done in Europe, and as a result skews in favor of European programming. In most European countries, a program need only be tuned in for one minute continuously during the entirety of the event to be registered. On the other hand, the US breaks viewership into 15-minute slices, and requires a program to be tuned in for the majority of that time to be counted. Then, the official rating for a show is the average of all of those 15-minute segments. Typically there is a peak viewership rating given also, but most reporting agencies don’t use that figure.

271 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:25:44pm

re: #262 Justanotherhuman

And Hine’s photos of child mill workers. My own grandmother did a stint in a mill at age 12. She never went past the 6th grade.

historyinphotos.blogspot.com

My first union was ILGWU, and later worked in a building that was their headquarters. They had these and similar photos in our lobby, as well as the poem:

“The golf links lie so near the mill
That almost everyday
The laboring children can look out
And see the men at play”

272 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:27:24pm

re: #267 blueraven

There is a reason they put out this particular excerpt. To get the rubes all riled up.

Of course they released a recording for public relations purposes but I suspect the larger reason is to create as much tension and distrust among Western allies. This also lets the EU know, in a very public way, that the US is not going to be working with them and has plans to go through the UN instead.

273 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:28:36pm

The social reformer who did so much to help change child labor laws had to apply for welfare in his waning years.

en.wikipedia.org

274 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:29:34pm

re: #271 Decatur Deb

My first union was ILGWU, and later worked in a building that was their headquarters. They had these and similar photos in our lobby, as well as the poem:

“The golf links lie so near the mill
That almost everyday
The laboring children can look out
And see the men at play”

That juxaposition makes me want to absolutely bawl.

275 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:30:19pm

HURR HURRRRR!!!! OBAMA PERSONALLY CREATED WALMART & MCD’S BUSINESS MODEL & FORCED THEM TO FOLLOW IT HRRR1!!!!!!!

276 EPR-radar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:30:35pm

re: #274 Justanotherhuman

That juxaposition makes me want to absolutely bawl.

Tears of joy at reading about a capitalist utopia in action? //////

277 kerFuFFler  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:31:28pm

re: #209 Please Proceed

I have a sucky job, so I’m also on the market. My background is in marketing/PR. If I read one more ad for a company that is looking for a “Rock Star” I may have to kill. Yes, I’ll be your Rock Star. I’ll come into work at noon, hungover, and spend the day getting the interns pregnant. And in my spare time, I’ll OD and charge you for rehab… #$@!%$%$#% Rock Star…

Don’t forget to smash their office furniture with your guitar!

278 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:31:32pm

re: #269 Pie-onist Overlord

I had a medical procedure this morning and feel like crap all day, so I’m not in the mood of baking a pie but I have a craving some baked goods.

Hope that procedure showed everything to be squeaky clean, so to speak.

279 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:32:00pm

re: #274 Justanotherhuman

That juxaposition makes me want to absolutely bawl.

Makes me want to go out and knock on a hundred doors to get a fucking Republican out of office.

280 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:32:38pm

WTFITS
WINGNUTS ACTUALLY WANT TO BRING THIS BACK!!!!

281 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:33:00pm

re: #262 Justanotherhuman

And as we speak, ALEC is putting together retroactive legislation to ban the taking of pictures inside warehouses and textile factories. /

282 Please Proceed  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:33:30pm

re: #231 lawhawk

And that too is 100% wrong.

The country imposed taxes long before the national income tax in 1913. Property tax was the primary tax on people, and it definitely meant people didn’t keep 100% of what they made.

Plure: #280 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS
WINGNUTS ACTUALLY WANT TO BRING THIS BACK!!!!

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Plus you don’t have to buy them shoes…

283 blueraven  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:33:32pm

re: #272 Killgore Trout

Of course they released a recording for public relations purposes but I suspect the larger reason is to create as much tension and distrust among Western allies. This also lets the EU know, in a very public way, that the US is not going to be working with them and has plans to go through the UN instead.

So what? I am sure there were conversations between the US and EU, Doubt this is a big surprise. The only “bad” thing said was “Fuck the EU”.

284 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:33:33pm

re: #280 Pie-onist Overlord

Are there no factories? No workhouses?

285 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:34:48pm

re: #209 Please Proceed


I have a “Won The Internet Today” award to give you.

286 Snarknado!  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:34:58pm

re: #284 Bulworth

Are there no factories? No workhouses?

You forgot prisons.

287 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:35:34pm

re: #269 Pie-onist Overlord

I was afraid you doing something worse, like working. /

Hope all goes well.

288 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:35:49pm

re: #283 blueraven

So what? I am sure there were conversations between the US and EU, Doubt this is a big surprise. The only “bad” thing said was “Fuck the EU”.

Yes, it’s entirely possible that we told the Eu to fuck off in person so it would be no surprise to them. However, I’m still wondering what the underlying difference is about and why going through the UN is a better plan.

289 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:36:18pm

re: #279 Decatur Deb

Makes me want to go out and knock on a hundred doors to get a fucking Republican out of office.

This.

290 EPR-radar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:36:46pm

re: #280 Pie-onist Overlord

I do wonder when the US right will literally take up “Capital uber alles” unironically as a rallying cry.

291 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:37:03pm

re: #286 Snarknado!

You forgot prisons.

“The cells on the bottom tier are unwholesome, are they not?”
“Well, we do only put colored people down there, sir.”
—Charles Dickens “American Notes”

292 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:37:25pm

re: #253 Feline Fearless Leader

Loved him and Lindsey Nelson on the Mets broadcasts.

293 Kragar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:37:43pm

re: #277 kerFuFFler

Don’t forget to smash their office furniture with your guitar!

Over the last few weeks, I’ve accepted what was once a fine job with room for advancement has become a dead end paper shuffle. I’ve been looking seriously, with my one stipulation being I want to be as far away from a government position as I can be.

20+ years working either directly or as a contractor for the military has broken me. I can’t put up with their nonsense any longer.

294 blueraven  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:40:20pm

re: #288 Killgore Trout

Yes, it’s entirely possible that we told the Eu to fuck off in person so it would be no surprise to them. However, I’m still wondering what the underlying difference is about and why going through the UN is a better plan.

Maybe it wont be better, just another route. Obviously the EU countries are very resistant to doing anything.

295 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:40:34pm

re: #288 Killgore Trout

Yes, it’s entirely possible that we told the Eu to fuck off in person so it would be no surprise to them. However, I’m still wondering what the underlying difference is about and why going through the UN is a better plan.

Trade negotiations.

Europeans Undermining Trade Negotiations

economix.blogs.nytimes.com

296 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:40:46pm

re: #223 Pie-onist Overlord

BIG!!! Overcontrolling!!!

Hey, why can’t we persecute teh gay people like Putin can?

297 kirkspencer  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:42:25pm

re: #223 Pie-onist Overlord

This is the stupidest meme I have seen all day.

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I actually love this one, provided the idiot who pushes it sticks around. First, so nobody has to scroll back up, here’s the statement.

Up until 1913, Americans kept 100% of their income.

Despite this, America still had schools, colleges, roads, railroads, streets, subways, bus systems, federal, state and local police, the Army, Navy, and Marine Corps (which managed to win eight wars and fight the War of 1812 to a draw). It also had a thriving and expanding economy.

Tell me again why Americans need to be extorted.

It’s fun because it’s so full of derp, every element of which can be hammered by documented fact.

Let’s start with 1913. Actually the first income tax was in 1861. Income taxes paid for the civil war, and existed on and off since. For what it’s worth Congress tried to do a federal property tax instead of income back in 1984, but that got blocked. But let’s continue.

Schools. What schools? In 1910, less than half of all blacks ages 5-19 were enrolled in schools. Heck, less than 65% of all whites that age were enrolled. Basically because there weren’t enough schools and teachers. (link to evidence) (edited because holy cow that took up a lot of real estate)

Without schools, colleges are immaterial. Null point.

Roads, streets. Depending on your definition, no there weren’t streets and roads. Now every town with a lane wide enough technically had a road. And there were constantly traveled wide trails between towns, however? But none were paved. They were mostly dirt, some were graveled or cobblestoned. Heck, brick roads were typical if the city pulled the donations or got taxes passed. But paving - asphalt and/or cement - weren’t available till 1910/1915. Streets as we know them weren’t here in 1913.

Railroads… Railroads were subsidized. The federal government paid them to carry the mail, for one thing. And to provide (on demand) transport of military forces. We quit paying for the railroads and started paying for airplanes. Airplanes are a lot more expensive. We can certainly cut that part of the taxes and pay for railroads again. As a liberal I encourage it, actually.

Subways? Federal income tax does not pay for the subway systems of various states. Make a valid complaint, please.

Federal, state, and local police. State and local police are not paid for from federal taxes. Federal police? In 1913 the FBI was all of 100 people having only been formed five years prior. The US Park Police and the DC capitol police both existed, but were also significantly smaller - not least because they had smaller jurisdictions and covered fewer people.

As to the military, apparently the poster failed to realize that all the services had to be massively increased for WWI. And again for WWII. The US navy had zero aircraft carriers. The army and marines had no tanks, no armored personnel carriers.

No, anybody actually looking will realize we’re getting what we pay for, and if we want to keep it we have to pay for it. But it’s so easy to whine about extortion and confiscation instead of realizing it’s the cover charge for the life we have today.

298 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:42:32pm

re: #294 blueraven

Obviously the EU countries are very resistant to doing anything.

I don’t think they’re resisting doing anything. I suspect they are resisting what we want to do, they want something different. I wonder what the difference is.

299 Kragar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:42:50pm

5 years ago, I was told I had a shot at management for a growing team and was involved researching and implementing solutions to actual problems

Today, I’m stuck copying and pasting reports between various servers because other departments can’t decide on which policies to implement day to day, and our 4 man team is down to just me, plus sorry, no raises again this year.

Seriously, just fuck this.

300 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:45:37pm

re: #295 Justanotherhuman

Trade negotiations.

Europeans Undermining Trade Negotiations

economix.blogs.nytimes.com

That’s an interesting possibility.

301 Kragar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:45:41pm

The jackass they brought in out of nowhere keeps saying “do more with less”

I’m talking with 3 different recruiters now. I’m hoping soon I can tell him “Looks like you get to do more with none now.”

Sorry, I just needed to vent.

302 EPR-radar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:46:40pm

re: #301 Kragar

The jackass they brought in out of nowhere keeps saying “do more with less”

I’m talking with 3 different recruiters now. I’m hoping soon I can tell him “Looks like you get to do more with none now.”

Sorry, I just needed to vent.

No problem at all. Jackasses like that _need_ to be told to get more done with nothing.

303 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:48:50pm

re: #301 Kragar

The jackass they brought in out of nowhere keeps saying “do more with less”

I’m talking with 3 different recruiters now. I’m hoping soon I can tell him “Looks like you get to do more with none now.”

Sorry, I just needed to vent.

He won’t have a job, either, though, will he? ; ) No one to boss…

304 Kragar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:50:07pm

re: #302 EPR-radar

No problem at all. Jackasses like that _need_ to be told to get more done with nothing.

One of the headhunters on the position they’re putting me in for:

“Yeah, its only a starting position, so they can only offer you ($14k more a year than I make now), is that a problem?

Hmm, I don’t know. I’ll have to ponder that.

305 EPR-radar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:50:54pm

re: #304 Kragar

One of the headhunters on the position they’re putting me in for:

“Yeah, its only a starting position, so they can only offer you ($14k more a year that I do now), is that a problem?

Hmm, I don’t know. I’ll have to ponder that.

First world problems strike again…

306 blueraven  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:51:17pm

re: #298 Killgore Trout

I don’t think they’re resisting doing anything. I suspect they are resisting what we want to do, they want something different. I wonder what the difference is.

EU wants more diplomacy, we want sanctions. Russians want to divide.

307 darthstar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:51:45pm
308 Kragar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:53:01pm

re: #305 EPR-radar

First world problems strike again…

The idea I might actually be able to make enough to actually pay down my debts leaves me giddy.

309 EPR-radar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:53:50pm

re: #308 Kragar

The idea I might actually be able to make enough to actually pay down my debts leaves me giddy.

Best of luck with the hunt. It’s a painful process even if done while employed.

310 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:54:10pm

re: #308 Kragar

The idea I might actually be able to make enough to actually pay down my debts leaves me giddy.

We’ll never see you again, damn it. : )

311 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:54:20pm

re: #308 Kragar

The idea I might actually be able to make enough to actually pay down my debts leaves me giddy.

Yeah, but you’re taking labor out of the workforce! You’re gonna hurt the economy! Have you no shame?!

///Sorry, derp about the CBO report is driving me nuts.

312 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:54:51pm

re: #301 Kragar

The jackass they brought in out of nowhere keeps saying “do more with less”

I’m talking with 3 different recruiters now. I’m hoping soon I can tell him “Looks like you get to do more with none now.”

Sorry, I just needed to vent.

We all need to vent, and good luck in being able to tell the jackass to go pound sand. Having done it once before - many years ago - it’s an immensely satisfying experience.

For unburdening the mind, I do whirling. Really relaxes me; a form of active meditation.

When I first tried it about three and a half years ago, I promptly fell on my ass in about 30 seconds. Now I can go for about 10 minutes or so. A dervish in Berlin showed me how to do it.

313 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:55:53pm

Wingnuts keep spamming this meme. It does not mean what they think it means.

314 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:55:54pm

re: #312 Dr Lizardo

We all need to vent, and good luck in being able to tell the jackass to go pound sand. Having done it once before - many years ago - it’s an immensely satisfying experience.

For unburdening the mind, I do whirling. Really relaxes me; a form of active meditation.

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When I first tried it about three and a half years ago, I promptly fell on my ass in about 30 seconds. Now I can go for about 10 minutes or so. A dervish in Berlin showed me how to do it.

Excellent! I can’t even spin around in my computer chair any more. : )

315 darthstar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:55:55pm
316 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:56:19pm

Pottymouthed diplomat curses like a sailor because she’s a sailor…..
abcnews.go.com

Asked if Nuland’s expletives reflected a wider frustration within the State Department towards the EU, Psaki said Nuland’s background of working on a Soviet fishing trawler in her early 20s meant she had a certain comfort level with expletives: “[S]he learned how to perfect, perhaps, certain words in a couple of languages. So perhaps it speaks to that more than a pervasive viewpoint.”

Arrrrrrrrrr! Mysterrrry Solved!
/Pirate voice

317 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:57:07pm

re: #314 Justanotherhuman

Excellent! I can’t even spin around in my computer chair any more. : )

LOL.

318 darthstar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:57:20pm
319 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:57:32pm

re: #312 Dr Lizardo

For unburdening the mind, I do whirling. Really relaxes me; a form of active meditation.

It also makes you blurry.

320 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:57:54pm

I don’t know what this even is supposed to mean.
HURR HURRRR!!!! IT MEANS ALL LIBRULS IS TEH THIEFSSSS!!!!!

321 Kragar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 3:00:09pm

re: #313 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts keep spamming this meme. It does not mean what they think it means.

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322 EPR-radar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 3:00:22pm

re: #320 Pie-onist Overlord

Taxation = theft is usually the unstated axiom of RWNJ derp like this.

Personally, I’ve never heard of a thief that wanted to take no more and no less than a rate determined via a political process.

323 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 3:00:26pm

re: #318 darthstar

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Keystone XL for America: Assuming all of the risk with none of the reward.

I notice the excuse now is that if the sludge isn’t transported through XL, it’ll be by rail. Not said is the pipeline they used to say the Canadians would just build instead if we didn’t jump on this “opportunity.” Know what happened to that? The Canadians looked at TransCanada’s track record and decided there was no fucking way they’d let that pipeline be built on their land.

324 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 3:00:43pm

re: #321 Kragar

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“Is it behind the rabbit?”

325 Kragar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 3:01:18pm

re: #324 Targetpractice

“Is it behind the rabbit?”

LOOK AT THE BONES!

326 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 3:02:28pm

re: #320 Pie-onist Overlord

If his fair share is in his wallet, he screwed up his W-4 form.

327 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 3:02:32pm

re: #312 Dr Lizardo

We all need to vent, and good luck in being able to tell the jackass to go pound sand. Having done it once before - many years ago - it’s an immensely satisfying experience.

For unburdening the mind, I do whirling. Really relaxes me; a form of active meditation.

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When I first tried it about three and a half years ago, I promptly fell on my ass in about 30 seconds. Now I can go for about 10 minutes or so. A dervish in Berlin showed me how to do it.

When we were little kids we’d do that in the living room with a holler of ‘I’m going to Dizzyland!’

Not the same thing, exactly….

328 jaunte  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 3:03:19pm

re: #318 darthstar

The pipeline used for KXL will be imported from Welspun Corp Ltd. (India), and the Evraz company (Russia), and all made with the quality manufacturing principles demonstrated in Sochi.

329 Kragar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 3:06:11pm

One golden day, I had 6 good friends utterly convinced I had never seen or even heard of Monty Python’s Holy Grail. For a good half hour, they tried every thing they could to tell me about it and get me to admit I knew what they were talking about.

After 30 minutes, my 7th buddy couldn’t take it any longer, walked to the book case behind me, grabbed the VHS copy of Monty Python’s Holy Grail and showed it to everyone.

“Everyone of you is a moron.” He then shook my hand and we laughed and laughed.

330 darthstar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 3:06:54pm
331 EPR-radar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 3:07:48pm

A gem seen elsewhere on the net:

“You can tell Monopoly is an old game because there’s a luxury tax and rich people can go to jail.”

I would add that the name itself (i.e., “monopoly”) also dates it. We no longer talk about monopolies, which is why they are coming back.

332 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 3:09:13pm

re: #331 EPR-radar

A gem seen elsewhere on the net:

“You can tell Monopoly is an old game because there’s a luxury tax and rich people can go to jail.”

I would add that the name itself (i.e., “monopoly”) also dates it. We no longer talk about monopolies, which is why they are coming back.

They’re not monopolies anymore, they’re “multinationals.”

333 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 3:09:16pm

re: #328 jaunte

The pipeline used for KXL will be imported from Welspun Corp Ltd. (India), and the Evraz company (Russia), and all made with the quality manufacturing principles demonstrated in Sochi.

And the tar sands product will enter the US as a tax free import, refined at US taxpayer subsidized upgraded refineries in Port Arthur, then exported tax free because Port Arthur is a FTZ.
Who wins? Canada and the investors. Not Americans.

334 Gus  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 3:11:04pm

re: #318 darthstar

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That’s the Alaska pipeline after it was shot by Daniel Carson Lewis.

The steel pipe is resistant to gunshots and has resisted them on several occasions, but on October 4, 2001, a drunken gunman named Daniel Carson Lewis shot a hole into a weld near Livengood, causing the second-largest mainline oil spill in pipeline history.[164] Approximately 6,144 barrels (976.8 m3) leaked from the pipeline; 4,238 barrels (673.8 m3) were recovered and reinjected into the pipeline.[165] Nearly 2 acres (8,100 m2) of tundra were soiled and were removed in the cleanup.[166] The pipeline was repaired and was restarted more than 60 hours later.[167] Lewis was found guilty in December 2002 of criminal mischief, assault, drunken driving, oil pollution, and misconduct. He was sentenced to 16 years in jail and ordered to repay the $17 million cleanup costs.

335 Blue Fielder  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 3:11:50pm

re: #301 Kragar

The jackass they brought in out of nowhere keeps saying “do more with less”

And his hands would plait the CEO’s entrails,
For want of a rope, to strangle consultants.

336 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 3:12:02pm

re: #333 Backwoods_Sleuth

And the tar sands product will enter the US as a tax free import, refined at US taxpayer subsidized upgraded refineries in Port Arthur, then exported tax free because Port Arthur is a FTZ.
Who wins? Canada and the investors. Not Americans.

It’s why I said “all of the risk and none of the reward.” We get a statistically insignificant boost in GDP, 50 long-term jobs, and some farmers make bank for selling their land. But at the same time, when the pipeline inevitably springs a leak, we’ll be the ones expected to pay for the clean-up.

337 b_sharp  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 3:14:17pm

re: #328 jaunte

The pipeline used for KXL will be imported from Welspun Corp Ltd. (India), and the Evraz company (Russia), and all made with the quality manufacturing principles demonstrated in Sochi.

I suspect that most of it will be made here at Evraz, (used to be Ipsco) so it will be made to Canadian standards.

338 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 3:14:43pm

re: #331 EPR-radar

A gem seen elsewhere on the net:

“You can tell Monopoly is an old game because there’s a luxury tax and rich people can go to jail.”

I would add that the name itself (i.e., “monopoly”) also dates it. We no longer talk about monopolies, which is why they are coming back.

Haha. I loved Monopoly. We always found out who the sharks were, the ones who wound up with everything, and shunned them.

339 jaunte  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 3:16:01pm

re: #337 b_sharp

I understand there have already been some problems with welding on the sections of pipeline that have been constructed. Maybe it was the Welspun product.

340 b_sharp  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 3:17:56pm

re: #333 Backwoods_Sleuth

And the tar sands product will enter the US as a tax free import, refined at US taxpayer subsidized upgraded refineries in Port Arthur, then exported tax free because Port Arthur is a FTZ.
Who wins? Canada and the investors. Not Americans.

Nobody wins long term. Every gallon of fuel burned adds 8.92 × 10-3 metric tons CO2.

341 Gus  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 3:18:38pm
342 Gus  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 3:19:09pm
343 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 3:19:41pm

re: #333 Backwoods_Sleuth

And the tar sands product will enter the US as a tax free import, refined at US taxpayer subsidized upgraded refineries in Port Arthur, then exported tax free because Port Arthur is a FTZ.
Who wins? Canada and the investors. Not Americans.

They’re already in the US.

welspuncorp.com

Welspun Tubular LLC (USA)- Adjacent to the Little Rock Port, this state-of-art spiral pipe and coating facility is spread across 740 acres and has an annual capacity of 350,000 tonnes, making it one of the largest industrial initiatives in the state of Arkansas, USA. The company recently announced the acquisition of a 44 acre site formerly owned by the Wheatland Tube Company.

344 Varek Raith  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 3:19:57pm

re: #342 Gus

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BY NUKING THEM!

345 b_sharp  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 3:21:19pm

re: #339 jaunte

I understand there have already been some problems with welding on the sections of pipeline that have been constructed. Maybe it was the Welspun product.

Evraz would build the sections. Someone else would weld them together.

I should post some pictures of the pipe stocks and existing pipelines here. I’m 100m or so from a number of pipelines.

347 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 3:22:29pm

re: #331 EPR-radar

A gem seen elsewhere on the net:

“You can tell Monopoly is an old game because there’s a luxury tax and rich people can go to jail.”

I would add that the name itself (i.e., “monopoly”) also dates it. We no longer talk about monopolies, which is why they are coming back.

We have a house rule, that income tax is only $100 until you grit your first monopoly, then it goes up to $200. We jokingly call it the Obama tax.

At one point, my eight-year-old daughter turned down a chance to get a monopoly because she didn’t want to pay the full income tax.

In other words, she had an innate grasp of conservative economic and fiscal principles.

348 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 3:22:47pm

re: #339 jaunte

I understand there have already been some problems with welding on the sections of pipeline that have been constructed. Maybe it was the Welspun product.

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Transcanada evidently didn’t use properly qualified welders, for one thing.

When you’re paying $7.50/hr, well…

349 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 3:23:57pm

re: #346 Varek Raith

GOP Rep: Even Jesus Couldn’t Control House Republicans

Yeah, because GOP House Republicans would never listen to a brown-skinned Middle Easterner speaking a Semitic language, not English.

Hell, they’d probably throw him in Gitmo.

350 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 3:24:05pm

re: #346 Varek Raith

GOP Rep: Even Jesus Couldn’t Control House Republicans

“Who’s the long-haired hippy saying that we need to do more for the poor? Get him out of here!!”

351 b_sharp  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 3:25:16pm

re: #348 Justanotherhuman

Transcanada evidently didn’t use properly qualified welders, for one thing.

When you’re paying $7.50/hr, well…

TransCanada has a crappy rep up here among people who don’t worship money.

352 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 3:25:22pm

oh myyyyyyy….

353 EPR-radar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 3:28:22pm

re: #349 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, because GOP House Republicans would never listen to a brown-skinned Middle Easterner speaking a Semitic language, not English.

Hell, they’d probably throw him in Gitmo.

If Jesus does come for a return engagement, he’d best stay out of TX if he doesn’t want to get executed for a crime he didn’t commit.

354 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 3:36:40pm

re: #353 EPR-radar

If Jesus does come for a return engagement, he’d best stay out of TX if he doesn’t want to get executed for a crime he didn’t commit.

Pontius Perry.

355 EPR-radar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 3:38:52pm

re: #354 Decatur Deb

Pontius Perry.

Alas that I only have +1 to give for this.

However, it should be noted that in the biblical account Pilate was a more reluctant executioner than any recent TX GOP governor.

356 chadu  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 6:22:15pm

re: #250 William of Orange

LOL. God is soo funny!!

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Dragon Anatomy was a terrible underrated ska band, mang.

357 Swift2991  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:17:55pm

No it’s not, Glenn. Signals acquisition and decoding about the intentions of foreign governments and their leaders are quite all right, generally speaking. The NSA’s spies are not total, they are not indiscriminate. It is directed at the potential for violence in the future in the world. Knowing something and doing something are two different things. When the FBI or your local police start surveilling individuals and, pardon me, coming into their rooms in the morning and carting them off to gulags, that’s when it’s like torture. How would you think unless you could conflate?


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