Kultured Kowboy Klukkers

I love me some Nazi cowboy shit because I’m not a liberal
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Facebook erupted today when a seller posted some allegedly prison-made spur straps sporting a Nazi symbol in that tiny corner of Facebook where Real America Good Country Folk™ are free to be as racist, illiterate, and righteous as ever. Of course it was in ALL CAPS.

Kultured Klukker Straps

It didn’t take long at all for certain forum members to find pimping Nazi spur straps offensive, well, because they are. There were a number of people who found it revolting, and rightly so.

But no swastika conversation would be complete without people with only enough art history knowledge to be 99% stupid, to claim the symbol pre-dates its use by Nazis, so it should be acceptable. Maybe. Kinda sorta.

I smell just a little bit of Christian persecution, and the wrong use of “excepted.” But that’s how Real America™ spells, so you need to roll with it.

After all, if your good cowboy buddies have the same symbol, what could be the harm? After all, they’re “bad ass.”

By the way, I have been around a lot of rodeos. Don’t think for one minute racist babyklukkers don’t wear cowboy hats. Hell, they’re half the Freeper base.

Did someone say Godwin? That didn’t take long.

Because down is up, and up is down, these inmate-made spurs could only have come from a liberal (Clinton) jail, not a real patriot’s jail like Sheriff Joe.

And let’s not forget, all those liberals hypersensitive to the good ole red-blooded Confederate shit. I mean, it was only slavery, for fuck’s sake, and we have a Kenyan Communist Muslim in the White House, so it isn’t like “they” didn’t recover. Let’s fix America and let the free market sort out swastika spur straps. //

Just to piss off those Obama-loving liberals, Jew sympathizers, and anyone not a red-blooded ‘murican, another patriot cowpoke that had defended the original post went ahead and posted his horn knot. Because it’s so damned funny, that’s why. And he already had one, of course. Of course. Don’t all cowboys have these?

After being a hot spot for hours, eventually the original spur straps post disappeared, and the admin stepped in. Naturally, the admin wouldn’t want to promote hate symbols under the guise of marketing. Oh, wait. That isn’t what happened. No, instead the people critical of swastikas got a stern warning, and the original poster got an invitation to repost.

…I am extremely tired of your whining and offensive posts about the spur straps. You don’t have to buy them, you don’t have to bid on them and you do not need to comment on them, if you don’t like them. Not everyone is going to like everything, that’s a given. But I will not tolerate that crap that just went down… Post comments like that again and you will be removed. PERIOD.

Of course, the added flourish of wingnut punctuation, with the inevitable plural apostrophe for lower case, brand name, cheerio’s. If only Comic Sans was available on Facebook.

Well I told him he was welcome to post them again if he wanted to. Wrong day to piss in my cheerio’s

And guess what? They’re posted again, in all their klukker glory. Free pass, and nobody’s supposed to say a word.

People, meet the American Cowboy.

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435 comments
1 CriticalDragon1177  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 6:29:16pm

theheat,

Man when you combine Nazism with Americana that’s as un-American as it comes. This is like blasphemy in my book.

I hope all this Nazi memorable gets destroyed in some kind of nature disaster.

2 theheat  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 6:51:28pm

re: #1 CriticalDragon1177

It was just defended by the second admin.

Because stuff made in prison - you know, the place with a healthy Aryan population - with a swastika in modern day is exactly the same as canning jar lid parts made before the war. Right? //

And how is it these people happen to have so much swastika shit lying around they need to defend?

No, the admins are chastising everyone who called out the dolt who posted those fugly spur straps. And he reposted them.

3 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 6:57:33pm

I hope this at least gets bumped up to the featured Pages. It’s appalling what sort of filth some people on the right are defending nowadays. Decent people need to be aware of it.

4 theheat  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 6:59:33pm

re: #3 CuriousLurker

They’re out there, for sure. You don’t have the rattle the weeds much for them to come out.

5 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:04:50pm

What? It’s just a “rolling log design” … you know, from native Americans?

Good work - promoted.

6 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:05:27pm

Woohoo, YES! It got put on the front page.

7 Kragar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:06:40pm

“You durn liberal are racists against them redskins!” hurr de hurr hurr

8 EPR-radar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:07:52pm

If these idiots are going to try to play the “others have also used this symbol” card, they could at least have the decency to make their swastikas left-handed (as opposed to the right handed version used by the Nazis).

9 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:10:27pm

Those pesky rolling logs - they’re always causing trouble!

10 chadu  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:11:09pm

re: #2 theheat

It was just defended by the second admin.

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Because stuff made in prison - you know, the place with a healthy Aryan population - with a swastika in modern day is exactly the same as canning jar lid parts made before the war. Right? //

The arrow of time, how does it fucking work?

11 thedopefishlives  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:12:26pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Those pesky rolling logs - they’re always causing trouble!

I don’t even know what this “rolling log design” is supposed to be. I do, however, know a FREAKING SWASTIKA when I see one.

12 EPR-radar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:16:15pm

It appears the use of the swastika by native americans has decreased or been eliminated since world war II. Can’t imagine why.

nativeamericanjewelrytips.wordpress.com

It’s not like there is any reason to give prison inmates in the US the benefit of the doubt on this issue.

13 Gus  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:16:18pm

I must have missed the part where swastikas went along with anything cowboy.

14 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:17:31pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Those pesky rolling logs - they’re always causing trouble!

I mean, seriously—who’s supposed to believe that B.S.? I don’t think even they do, it’s like they’re just being… I can’t think of the word I want… like disingenuous, but in an assholish, smarmy, wink-wink-nudge-nudge kind of way.

15 Gus  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:17:46pm

What cowboy doesn’t have swastika leather spur straps I ask. //

16 chadu  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:18:14pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

What? It’s just a “rolling log design” … you know, from native Americans?

Good work - promoted.

Hm, look at this:

In 1940, in response to Hitler’s regime, the Navajo, Papago, Apache and Hopi people signed a whirling log proclamation. It read, “Because the above ornament, which has been a symbol of friendship among our forefathers for many centuries, has been desecrated recently by another nation of peoples, therefore it is resolved that henceforth from this date on and forever more our tribes renounce the use of the emblem commonly known today as the swastika … on our blankets, baskets, art objects, sand paintings and clothing.”

collectorsguide.com

WWII wasn’t even over, and native peoples stopped using it.

Talk to me about the Confederate Battle Flag hanging over courthouses and bumper stickers and whatnot even today, again?

17 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:18:34pm

Rolling logs are the new face of the First Amendment!

18 chadu  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:19:00pm

re: #11 thedopefishlives

I don’t even know what this “rolling log design” is supposed to be. I do, however, know a FREAKING SWASTIKA when I see one.

N.B. Rolling log design = swastika.

You’re welcome.

19 Bubblehead II  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:20:04pm

Night Lizards. Been, how shall I say, an interesting day.

May the Deity of your choice smile down upon you,

20 Kragar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:20:35pm

re: #16 chadu

Hm, look at this:

collectorsguide.com

WWII wasn’t even over, and native peoples stopped using it.

Talk to me about the Confederate Battle Flag hanging over courthouses and bumper stickers and whatnot even today, again?

Wow, I didn’t know that.

21 EPR-radar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:21:17pm

re: #16 chadu

Good catch on the link there, and kudos to these Native American tribes for seeing the Nazis for what they were earlier than most in the US.

22 chadu  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:21:26pm

re: #20 Kragar

Wait a second… 1940?

The USA hadn’t even entered WWII yet.

Whoa. (/keanu)

23 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:24:10pm

Use of swastika by american cowboys
Pictured examples of vintage belt buckles, saddles, watch fobs. Mostly from the 20’s and 30’s.

24 theheat  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:24:24pm

re: #14 CuriousLurker

None of the examples given of cowboy gear were antiques. Red-blooded ‘merican cowboy craftsmen are reproducing that shit these days, defending that shit as though anyone who finds it offensive needs a lesson in art history, courtesy of David Barton.

It’s a fucking dog whistle, is what it is, and they all came out panting for it today.

25 Skip Intro  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:25:14pm

I don’t even …..

Youtube Video

26 theheat  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:25:38pm

re: #16 chadu

This was brought up today, but Kollective Kowboy Revisionism completely disregarded it, and made it into pansy-ass liberals getting their panties in a wad.

27 EPR-radar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:29:35pm

There are cases where, IMO, a swastika can be an acceptable symbol. For example, in the manga Blade of the Immortal, the main character wears an outfit with a big swastika on the back. However, the setting for this work is the Tokugawa Shogunate in Japan(~1700s) and IMO the swastika is not an unreasonable symbol in that setting.

en.wikipedia.org

Contemporary use of the swastika in the US without any way to escape the connection to the Nazis is very different than something like this.

28 TedStriker  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:30:14pm

re: #8 EPR-radar

If these idiots are going to try to play the “others have also used this symbol” card, they could at least have the decency to make their swastikas left-handed (as opposed to the right handed version used by the Nazis).

Why? Most of these dunderheaded dumbasses wouldn’t know the difference…

29 John Vreeland  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:31:50pm

The one on the ring is backwards and was rotated 15 degrees to fit. Like seeing USA misspelled with a backwards S. By an american.

Easy way to remember… the arms of the nazi swastika spell out “SS,” which is where the SS symbol comes from.

30 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:32:03pm

1930’s Whirling Log Cowboy Cuffs
rivet-head.blogspot.com

31 theheat  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:33:44pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout

They collect it, then try to backpedal as if the reason they bought it wasn’t specifically for the swastika, Because liberals don’t understand. //

32 EPR-radar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:35:56pm

re: #28 TedStriker

Why? Most of these dunderheaded dumbasses wouldn’t know the difference…

I’m being a bit sarcastic with that. The prison ‘artists’ that produced the spur straps most likely produced a right handed version of the symbol by copying from Nazi/neo-Nazi material.

The horn knot and jar rubber images are both left handed.

33 theheat  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:37:49pm

re: #31 theheat

Don’t think there weren’t people trying to get these, to educate them doggone liberals about the true meaning of a swastika on spur straps made last year.

In fact, there were offers for some of these cowpoke metalsmiths to make matching buckles. No, I’m not kidding.

34 Political Atheist  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:40:32pm

Yeesh. That’s just fugly. Out there, lose your appetite repulsive.

35 Kragar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:41:26pm

How long before they try and bring back the toothbrush mustache?

36 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:44:11pm

re: #35 Kragar

How long before they try and bring back the toothbrush mustache?

I hate that the style got associated with him. I would wear mine like that when the whim hit (I change facial hair all the time). It is a cool look.

37 theheat  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:48:50pm

Probably the least tragic of all is the fact the actual straps were so poorly done they looked like a Tandy craft project gone terribly wrong. There was no workmanship, no skill, and no artistry. As a dog’s chew toy, they’d be fabulous.

38 chadu  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:51:18pm

re: #26 theheat

This was brought up today, but Kollective Kowboy Revisionism completely disregarded it, and made it into pansy-ass liberals getting their panties in a wad.

Fuck ‘em in the ear.

39 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:52:59pm

I don’t get what the relevance of the use of the swastika in pre-WWII cowboy gear is. These are primarily right-facing swastikas created currently in Texas prisons. Anybody want to place a bet on the likelihood that the prisoner who made the spur straps was a black Muslim guy named Abdul or some guy from La Eme named Guero? Yeah, I didn’t think so. //

Thanks again for bringing this to light, theheat. You did good.

I’m off to go see Mr. Sandman. Later, lizards.

40 chadu  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:53:59pm

re: #8 EPR-radar

If these idiots are going to try to play the “others have also used this symbol” card,

Wait. Why appropriate another culture’s symbol?

Didn’t we just have some RWNJ poopsplosion about “foreigners” singing “America the Beautiful” in a language other than English?

Consistency, causality, conscience… these are words they do not seem to comprehend.

41 EPR-radar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:57:22pm

re: #40 chadu

Wait. Why appropriate another culture’s symbol?

Didn’t we just have some RWNJ poopsplosion about “foreigners” singing “America the Beautiful” in a language other than English?

Consistency, causality, conscience… these are words they do not seem to comprehend.

What I see is spreading rot. These cretins are literally defending the selling of newly-made items marked up with the Nazi swastika because “it will piss off the liberals”.

42 aagcobb  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 8:00:49pm

OT, but Mitch McConnell is in a bit of trouble. This new poll shows him with a 60% disapproval rating for the job he’s doing, a 50% unfavorable rating, and losing to Democrat Allison Lundergan Grimes by four points. Those are some ugly numbers.

43 Teukka  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 8:02:56pm

re: #41 EPR-radar

What I see is spreading rot. These cretins are literally defending the selling of newly-made items marked up with the Nazi swastika because “it will piss off the liberals”.

I just hope we won’t see them publishing and defending plans for a “final solution to the librul problum” because they think it would rattle the liberals cages.

Tho it would not surprise me if it happened, I am seriously worried about the right in the US diving deeper and deeper into fascism, and it is not a plague limited to the US, I see bits and pieces of that same rhethoric leaking into Swedish politics.

*shudders*

44 theheat  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 8:03:17pm

re: #41 EPR-radar

And they’re either asking for someone to build more, or offering to do so, in 2014.

The other swastika item posted after the initial one has 23 ‘likes,’ and lots of nudge-nudge comments.

45 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 8:09:54pm

re: #42 aagcobb

OT, but Mitch McConnell is in a bit of trouble. This new poll shows him with a 60% disapproval rating for the job he’s doing, a 50% unfavorable rating, and losing to Democrat Allison Lundergan Grimes by four points. Those are some ugly numbers.

The problem remains - do we get a sane replacement or an even worse teabagging traitor? I’d rather the devil I know as opposed to someone committed to pure evil.

46 aagcobb  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 8:12:11pm

re: #45 William Barnett-Lewis

The problem remains - do we get a sane replacement or an even worse teabagging traitor? I’d rather the devil I know as opposed to someone committed to pure evil.

Mitch has a 26 point lead over his Tea Party challenger, Matt Bevins, so it seems likely the race will come down to either Mitch or the Democrat, Grimes.

47 CriticalDragon1177  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 8:15:53pm

re: #2 theheat

It was just defended by the second admin.

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Because stuff made in prison - you know, the place with a healthy Aryan population - with a swastika in modern day is exactly the same as canning jar lid parts made before the war. Right? //

And how is it these people happen to have so much swastika shit lying around they need to defend?

No, the admins are chastising everyone who called out the dolt who posted those fugly spur straps. And he reposted them.

Yes prison, the place where the “master race” spends all its quality time.

48 Gus  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 8:38:24pm

You know what’s hilarious about all that privileged whining from the Sochi journalists? The Olympics end in 17 days.

49 Belafon  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 8:38:53pm

re: #35 Kragar

The first thing they will do is bring back the original salute for the pledge.

50 Amory Blaine  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 8:39:31pm

They aren’t centered very well.

51 Amory Blaine  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 8:42:13pm

re: #48 Gus

My massage stone warmer is TEPID!!! Tepid I tell you!!!

52 Gus  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 8:43:25pm

re: #51 Amory Blaine

My massage stone warmer is TEPID!!! Tepid I tell you!!!

My feet are freezing. Just read some asshole whining about rooms not having coat racks. Who cares.

53 Gus  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 8:50:27pm

And those peckers are getting paid to be there. Screw that noise. Heard enough about Sochi from those assholes. Fuck them.

54 Amory Blaine  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 8:51:46pm

The Sochi 2014 Olympics commemorative Piss Jugg™

No BPA!!!

55 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 8:53:23pm
56 BishopX  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 8:54:03pm

re: #53 Gus


To be fair the games opened today. It’s not like they had much else to write about up until now…

57 Amory Blaine  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 8:55:08pm

I doubt Matt Lauer is shitting in a bucket behind a Sochi McDonalds.

58 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 8:58:15pm
59 Kragar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 8:58:40pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

60 jonhendry  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 9:07:35pm

re: #48 Gus

And it’s not like they’ll be staying to cover the Paralympics. Which sucks because they are more impressive than the Olympics, as demonstrated in the London games. (Oh, you’re an Olympic archer? That’s nice. She’s an archer too, and she has no arms.)

It’s the paralympians who I’m most concerned about. I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if they get the worst of the under-cooked construction. Accessibility is probably not a high priority for the corrupt contractors who built the place.

61 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 9:28:21pm

No legit collectors of antique Americana are going to buy some shitty prison made swastika spur straps. The entire point of collecting old shit is in the shit being old. There are people who legitimately seek out old North American swastikas and fucked up 20th century racist packaging and advertisements for the kitsch and shock value. They do it in order document both the innocently strange along with the casual, sordid horribleness that characterized the iconography of fairly recent American society.

Most people who buy newly produced stuff with swastika designs on it are either epic level racists or really into Hinduism, and I assure you that none of the crap marketed to the latter group is made out of cow leather.

62 The War TARDIS  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 9:44:12pm

re: #61 goddamnedfrank

Though if they are Hindutva and Narendra Modi supporters, they both have the same thoughts on treating Muslims.

63 Gus  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 9:48:08pm
64 Gus  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 9:54:58pm


More cute at link.

65 Gus  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 9:56:03pm

66 blueraven  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 10:10:27pm

palate cleanser

Youtube Video

67 Gus  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 10:50:44pm
68 Kragar  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 10:55:30pm
69 austin_blue  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 10:56:11pm

And.. the threat of sleet and ice has shut down Texas Government offices in Austin, tomorrow. There’s a 40% chance of ice actually happening. Two weeks ago, there was a 20% chance (which happened) and shutdowns were delayed. A mere 1/4 of an inch of ice turned the town into a skating rink.

No way I am trying to get to the office tomorrow, unless the streets are as clear as a summer sky of deepest azure. Texas drivers are idjits in general, but put a little ice on the road and they become serial killers. Your 4-wheel drive drive truck cannot overcome the laws of physics, no matter how loud you yell “Yee haw!”

70 Gus  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 10:59:52pm
71 austin_blue  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:01:10pm

re: #64 Gus

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More cute at link.

Is that a capybara? According to the Vatican, they’re fish (no shit).

72 Gus  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:02:04pm

re: #71 austin_blue

Is that a capybara? According to the Vatican, they’re fish (no shit).

Yes, and no. Not a fish. :D

73 austin_blue  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:05:17pm

re: #72 Gus

Yes, and no. Not a fish. :D

Actually, yes. Approved by the Holy See as legitimate Lenten food. They’re fish!

74 Gus  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:09:23pm

re: #73 austin_blue

Actually, yes. Approved by the Holy See as legitimate Lenten food. They’re fish!

Hmm. I suspect ulterior motives on the part of the cat.

75 Gus  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:14:06pm
76 austin_blue  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:15:35pm

re: #74 Gus

Hmm. I suspect ulterior motives on the part of the cat.

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That is one big, cute rodent.

We have had a big influx of mice into the house the last week. We’ve whacked five of them in the last six days. Now I feel dirty.

77 Gus  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:17:23pm

re: #76 austin_blue

That is one big, cute rodent.

We have had a big influx of mice into the house the last week. We’ve whacked five of them in the last six days. Now I feel dirty.

Saved one the other day. :D Well, he probably died eventually since he fell into the jaws of El Gato Grande.

78 austin_blue  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:20:49pm

re: #75 Gus

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First it’s giant rodents (of unusual size?), and now it’s fucking dwarves.

(great piece of music, though)

79 Gus  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:25:53pm

re: #78 austin_blue

First it’s giant rodents (of unusual size?), and now it’s fucking dwarves.

(great piece of music, though)

I’m on Hendrix now.

80 austin_blue  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:31:06pm

re: #79 Gus

I’m on Hendrix now.

That’s a push. Both brilliant.

Given that tomorrow is a day off, at least during the morning, I have poured a dram of Highland Park 12 , with a splash of water, and am reading some Cory Doctorow.

81 Gus  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:32:12pm

re: #80 austin_blue

That’s a push. Both brilliant.

Given that tomorrow is a day off, at least during the morning, I have poured a dram of Highland Park 12 , with a splash of water, and am reading some Cory Doctorow.

I’m trying to stay warm and debating the bed couch but that never seems to accomplish anything. :D

82 Gus  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:33:21pm

re: #80 austin_blue

That’s a push. Both brilliant.

Given that tomorrow is a day off, at least during the morning, I have poured a dram of Highland Park 12 , with a splash of water, and am reading some Cory Doctorow.

This. Interesting stuff. I like his thoughts. Reminds me of me. About when I have long hair I talk to one type of person. When I have short hair it changes. Clean streets. :D Etc.

83 Lidane  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:34:59pm
84 Gus  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:39:08pm

re: #83 Lidane

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Youtube Video

85 austin_blue  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:45:54pm

re: #82 Gus

This. Interesting stuff. I like his thoughts. Reminds me of me. About when I have long hair I talk to one type of person. When I have short hair it changes. Clean streets. :D Etc.

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Goddam. You listen to that interview, he’s brilliant, cogent, and dead in a week. Any clue? No. You listen to Phillip Seymour Hoffman’s friends who saw him a week earlier and did they have a clue? No.

Fucking heroin.

86 Gus  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:53:30pm

re: #85 austin_blue

Goddam. You listen to that interview, he’s brilliant, cogent, and dead in a week. Any clue? No. You listen to Phillip Seymour Hoffman’s friends who saw him a week earlier and did they have a clue? No.

Fucking heroin.

That’s pretty much what I thought the day Hoffman died. Fuck heroin. I still want a drink. I was killing myself with booze.

87 austin_blue  Thu, Feb 6, 2014 11:59:37pm

re: #86 Gus

That’s pretty much what I thought the day Hoffman died. Fuck heroin. I still want a drink. I was killing myself with booze.

But *the* drink won’t kill you. Drinking too much booze in a short period of time might. If it’s chronic, hoo boy. Absolutely.

Dancing with the Girl is a different story. Which $6 bag has the hot shot? Is it the first one? In any case, it’s the last one.

88 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 12:05:25am

re: #87 austin_blue

But *the* drink won’t kill you. *Drinking* too much booze in a short period of time might. If it’s chronic, hoo boy. Absolutely.

Dancing with the Girl is a different story. Which $6 bag has the hot shot? Is it the first one? In any case, it’s the last one.

Never touched the stuff myself. I know of one young guitarist who was very talented that got hooked on heroin. Overdosed. His mom found him in bed the next morning. He was 17 years old. Had an older drummer friend that died from an OD of reds.

89 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 12:06:50am

Just because.

90 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 12:18:54am

We don’t debate, we just bait.

These are people stuck in a truculent adolescent stage of development in which they derive great pleasure in provoking outrage and then stepping back and claiming they never meant anything.

91 austin_blue  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 12:24:56am

re: #88 Gus

Never touched the stuff myself. I know of one young guitarist who was very talented that got hooked on heroin. Overdosed. His mom found him in bed the next morning. He was 17 years old. Had an older drummer friend that died from an OD of reds.

re: #89 Gus

Just because.

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Night, Gus. I’m off to the the rack. Thanks for the random “just because” rabbit thingy. Umm…I guess..

Given our discussion, there is no real closure. Drugs are drugs. Humans like them. Some more than others. Some humans are addictive, some not. Some humans who are not addictive encounter drugs that can be immediately lethal.

And that is a real tragedy. First curiosity? Bang. Dead.

Be well, my friend. Stay warm! We have a rock house with barely sufficient heating. We’ve pulled out all the blankies tonight.

92 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 12:25:42am

re: #91 austin_blue

Night, Gus. I’m off to the the rack, Thanks for the random “just because”.

Given our discussion, there is no real closure. Drugs are drugs. Humans like them. Some more than others. Some humans are addictive, some not. Some humans who are not addictive encounter drugs that can be immediately lethal.

And that is a real tragedy. First curiosity? Bang. Dead.

Be well, my friend. Stay warm! We have a rock house with barely sufficient heating. We’ve pulled out all the blankies tonight.

Thanks man. Later.

93 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 12:25:51am

Any word on Obdi?

94 Kragar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 12:39:07am

re: #93 Gus

Any word on Obdi?

Nothing. He contacted me once mid January, said he would email me back, then nothing.

I’m worried.

95 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 12:42:17am

re: #94 Kragar

Nothing. He contacted me once mid January, said he would email me back, then nothing.

I’m worried.

Yeah, haven’t seen him around here since that last time he swung by here letting us know what happened. Then, poof again.

96 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 12:47:55am

Well, time to attempt some sleep. Laterisms.

97 freetoken  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 3:27:49am
98 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 3:32:10am

WTFITS?

Have to wake up and see the mindset of some people in this country deteriorating on a daily basis?

Ignorance, racism and reactionary thought processes are becoming more common because there are really just some goddamned shitty, bad people in the US. And when you want to remain willfully ignorant, you are no better than the originators of this trash.

Thanks for the post. Nice to be clued in to what the rest of the Great Unwashed are up to in their spare time while in prison.

If I had the money, I’d buy it just to burn it up in public with a message to these evil-doers. I mean, who the hell do they think they’re fooling?

99 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 3:45:21am

The GOP missed its chance to distance itself from these people because they were too afraid of being shouted down at a town hall meeting by some guy in a tri-cornered hat carrying an AR-15 and a Gadsen flag.

In doing so, they started an attention-seeking race to the bottom that is being driven by the loudest and most base. They revel in provoking outrage for the sake of seeing a liberal get upset, and then step back and rationalize it through some selective (or fictitious) history or claim it was all satire…

100 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 3:52:49am

Patterson knows he can’t advertise that shit on eBay where he has been selling stuff since 2002, so he puts it on FB which has no such guidelines.

pages.ebay.com

101 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 3:55:17am

Just noticed something after my outrage had calmed down.

“Fed 8” deadline? Was old Bill thinking the Feds might come knocking on his door or something?

He knew exactly what he was selling. Ignorant old racist fool.

102 theheat  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:01:34am

re: #101 Justanotherhuman

This was on a cowboy auctions Facebook page, where short deadlines are typical. He panders to the Facebook crowd because the admins are quite obviously like-minded, and he can list any crap he wants with zero accountability. In fact, this stunt just grew his fan base.

Also, maybe someone on eBay suggested he turn off the ALL CAPS.

103 chadu  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:03:53am

re: #78 austin_blue

First it’s giant rodents (of unusual size?), and now it’s fucking dwarves.

(great piece of music, though)

I don’t think they exist.

104 theheat  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:05:46am

re: #100 Justanotherhuman

How do you know he’s been selling his Kowboy Krap on eBay since 2002?

105 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:27:22am

re: #104 theheat

How do you know he’s been selling his Kowboy Krap on eBay since 2002?

It’s on his eBay page, here, where he goes by “toptexasseller”.

ebay.com

106 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:31:52am

About 10 years ago, a co-worker put a wedding invitation on the bulletin board in the break room. The invitation had little swastikas along the edges as a decoration. It was for a Hindu wedding.

It kind of freaked me out but they were using it according to the original intention. Also the cross was upright, not tilted, and the arms running clockwise.

107 Varek Raith  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:35:42am

Pennsylvania murder suspect in custody after Manassas manhunt

Well, that was fun. I could hear and see the helicopters/dogs from my house.
Had the doors locked and everything.

108 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:37:56am

re: #106 Pie-onist Overlord

About 10 years ago, a co-worker put a wedding invitation on the bulletin board in the break room. The invitation had little swastikas along the edges as a decoration. It was for a Hindu wedding.

It kind of freaked me out but they were using it according to the original intention. Also the cross was upright, not tilted, and the arms running clockwise.

A little sensitivity might be in order, though, in the west?

religionfacts.com

“The swastika is an ancient symbol that has been found worldwide, but it is especially common in India. Its name comes the Sanskrit word svasti (sv = well; asti = is), meaning good fortune, luck and well-being. “

109 chadu  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:38:09am

re: #107 Varek Raith

Pennsylvania murder suspect in custody after Manassas manhunt

Well, that was fun. I could hear and see the helicopters/dogs from my house.
Had the doors locked and everything.

Holy craps!

110 chadu  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:39:36am

re: #108 Justanotherhuman

A little sensitivity might be in order, though, in the west?

Me, I’m willing to give Hindus a little slack on it (thouh not an overwhelming amount).

Random dudes in prison… not so much.

111 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:55:16am

Another TCOT genius who doesn’t know what the National Anthem is.

112 Varek Raith  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:56:37am

‘speakamerican’?
Lol.

113 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:00:35am

Good morning.

10* here this morning and I’ve got a cuppa coffee and a hunk of fresh bread with butter.

I also have a very fat mouse that has been living behind my stove. He made the mistake of having me spot him yesterday, so now it’s “Game ON!!!” My cat’s are useless for this type of work, it’s beneath their pay grade and dignity to deal with household pests.

RBS

114 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:01:47am

re: #110 chadu

Me, I’m willing to give Hindus a little slack on it (thouh not an overwhelming amount).

Random dudes in prison… not so much.

The swastika is widely used in East Asia among Buddhists as well. I’ve encountered Westerners (Americans and Europeans) who’ve experienced a distinct “WTF?!” moment when they see it for the first time.

115 ObserverArt  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:02:56am

re: #90 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

We don’t debate, we just bait.

These are people stuck in a truculent adolescent stage of development in which they derive great pleasure in provoking outrage and then stepping back and claiming they never meant anything.

Morning all!

I just read through the thread and I think Wendell simply hit the nail on the head with his comment.

I sometimes wonder if ignoring idiots hits them harder than being outraged. It’s like when someone wants to get you all pissed off, and all you do is smile and walk away.

Damn it’s cold this morning…-4° currently. I wish I could ignore that!

116 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:04:10am

-3° in The D.

117 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:07:55am

HURR HURRRRR!!!11!!!

118 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:08:29am

Here’s the thing Glenn, Snowden has committed actual crimes.

119 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:09:58am

Good morning lizards!

Some great new technology to help the blind is coming out of Israel…

The BRAILLE contact lens: Implant that stimulates the eye is 600 times more sensitive than fingerprints

A revolutionary new contact lens is enabling blind people to read electronic braille.

Fitted and worn like a regular contact lens, the implant is manufactured with electrodes, which get signals from a camera - either held in the hand or worn on spectacles.

The lens beams signals from a camera onto the wearer’s eyes and the sensations can be translated into a description of what is being seen.

120 Flounder  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:10:06am

Damn Nazi’s are everywhere!

Spirit of St. Louis

121 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:10:55am

re: #115 ObserverArt

I sometimes wonder if ignoring idiots hits them harder than being outraged. It’s like when someone wants to get you all pissed off, and all you do is smile and walk away.

It’s why I don’t do FB & Twatter. I get enough second-hand reports. : )

122 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:14:13am
123 b.d.  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:16:15am

re: #120 Flounder

Damn Nazi’s are everywhere!

Spirit of St. Louis

Well, that was a gift for Lindbergh…..just saying.

//

124 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:17:45am

re: #114 Dr Lizardo

The swastika is widely used in East Asia among Buddhists as well. I’ve encountered Westerners (Americans and Europeans) who’ve experienced a distinct “WTF?!” moment when they see it for the first time.

“The swastikas on Hindu, Buddhist, and Jain temples are exempt, as religious symbols cannot be banned in Germany.”

Nazi symbols that are banned in Germany.

en.wikipedia.org

125 Flounder  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:19:59am

I prefer the Brad Pitt pronunciation of Nazis
Youtube Video

126 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:20:21am

Facebook has a new feature, “Make Your Own Facebook Movie!” based on all your posts over the years since you signed up, ranked according to the most “Likes.”

facebook.com

Mine is so lame! My most important posts (in order):

Got a Job! (2010)
My Dad passed away! (2010)
Bought a new car! (2011)
Then a bunch of bread & pies.

127 theheat  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:23:59am

re: #105 Justanotherhuman

He sells an awful lot of shit, and it’s dishonestly represented.

128 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:28:59am

GG has a new playground but he hasn’t twattered anything on it since Dec 20.

twitter.com

129 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:29:06am

re: #124 Justanotherhuman

“The swastikas on Hindu, Buddhist, and Jain temples are exempt, as religious symbols cannot be banned in Germany.”

Nazi symbols that are banned in Germany.

en.wikipedia.org

I remember having to explain to a rather horrified young American lass - on her first trip outside the US - that the swastikas she was seeing on a map of Kyoto were designations for Buddhist temples, not local Nazi Party headquarters.

130 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:30:25am

Wow, who designed this shit?

firstlook.org

131 darthstar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:31:31am
132 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:31:31am

re: #125 Flounder

I prefer the Brad Pitt pronunciation of Nazis
[Embedded content]

Yeah, “Nasty Nazis” just rolls off the tongue, doens’t it? : )

133 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:33:36am

re: #130 Justanotherhuman

Wow, who designed this shit?

firstlook.org

Fuck everybody who doesn’t have an iPad.

There’s no way to enlarge those oh-so-clever detailed tiny cartoons.

134 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:34:47am

HURR HURRRR!!!! PRAVDA IS TEH TROOF!!!!!!!

135 ObserverArt  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:35:34am

re: #130 Justanotherhuman

Wow, who designed this shit?

firstlook.org

Looks like urban dude bro. Very popular as they see it being anti-high brow design.

I sometimes like things to be earthy too. The world is a big place for all kinds. The key will be the content as to who it attracts and where it goes.

136 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:37:39am

Woops.

“First Look” appears to be another HuffBlow but with worse graphics.

137 ObserverArt  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:39:13am

I notice the top left image in the COMING SOON FROM FIRST LOOK MEDIA section deals with “SECURITY!”

Gee…I wonder who will be all over that?

138 darthstar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:39:43am
139 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:41:53am

re: #138 darthstar

[Embedded content]

HURR HURRRR!!!!!! THANK TEH JRRB CREEYATERZ!!!!1!!!

140 darthstar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:42:28am
141 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:43:29am

re: #133 Pie-onist Overlord

Fuck everybody who doesn’t have an iPad.

There’s no way to enlarge those oh-so-clever detailed tiny cartoons.

Here ya go. A video all about Pierre Omidyar and what a swell publisher he’s going to be.

firstlook.org

142 chadu  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:43:42am

re: #134 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURRRR!!!! PRAVDA IS TEH TROOF!!!!!!!

[Embedded content]

Literally.

(Or would that be “trans-literally”?)

143 darthstar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:43:50am
144 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:45:16am

If “First Look” isn’t an example of the finest in vanity publishing, then I don’t know what is.

145 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:46:07am

re: #75 Gus

[Embedded content]

Isn’t that Edvard’s brother Marc?

146 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:46:50am

re: #130 Justanotherhuman

Wow, who designed this shit?

firstlook.org

Very much the R. Crumb School.

147 darthstar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:47:25am

re: #144 Justanotherhuman

If “First Look” isn’t an example of the finest in vanity publishing, then I don’t know what is.

I’ll wait for their print edition.

148 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:48:13am

re: #135 ObserverArt

Looks like urban dude bro. Very popular as they see it being anti-high brow design.

I sometimes like things to be earthy too. The world is a big place for all kinds. The key will be the content as to who it attracts and where it goes.

I don’t think “First Look” is going to be exactly of this earth.

But not good enough for pie-in-the-sky, either.

149 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:49:34am

re: #146 Decatur Deb

Very much the R. Crumb School.

Is their motto going to be, “Keep on Truckin’”? Meh.

150 chadu  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:50:33am

O/T

In Which Yours Truly Plans Ahead… Really Ahead.

littlegreenfootballs.com

151 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:53:46am

re: #146 Decatur Deb

Very much the R. Crumb School.

Those very detailed line drawings do not fit well in a digital format when there is no enlargement tool.

152 ObserverArt  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:56:33am

re: #146 Decatur Deb

Very much the R. Crumb School.

In a way…just not as good.

I think we are going to be seeing more of this “street’ art type of thing. Design sometime gets too tight and stuck in its own acceptance box.

You bring up a good point…the free love hippie era was the same thing, but like everything it too had its own cliches and pass into a boring standard.

I always try to make my design work fun and not too serious and fashionable. Fashions go out of style on the next cycle. And with the internet the next style lasts all of 15 seconds. If something is simple and clean it might stand the chance to pass through time.

Think Designer Raymond Loewy and the CocaCola Red Ball logo. Been around a long time…fits all fashion…never gets old.

I get the feeling Justanotherhuman is 22 seconds in on FirstLook. I’m guessing it is going to be LastLook for her. ; )

153 darthstar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:57:35am

Looks like NSA Joe

154 ObserverArt  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:58:39am

re: #151 Pie-onist Overlord

Those very detailed line drawings do not fit well in a digital format when there is no enlargement tool.

That is a good point. I’m going to look at it on my phone. It might just turn into black blobs. Something to consider as a designer.

155 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:00:06am

re: #152 ObserverArt

I get the feeling Justanotherhuman is 22 seconds in on FirstLook. I’m guessing it is going to be LastLook for her. ; )

I can probably get the gist from GG’s twits. : )

If that’s their final layout product, they’d better not get too excited.

156 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:02:20am

re: #154 ObserverArt

That is a good point. I’m going to look at it on my phone. It might just turn into black blobs. Something to consider as a designer.

Remember when we had dumb phones and smart magazines?

157 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:03:53am
158 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:10:30am

Woops!

Bitcoin plunges as major exchange halts withdrawals

money.cnn.com

159 ObserverArt  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:14:20am

re: #156 Decatur Deb

Remember when we had dumb phones and smart magazines?

That was all before the NSA!

And if you know anything about the printing industry…think of all the jobs that have been lost with digital media. It is truly staggering. And maybe I am biased, but a lot of great art and content went with it.

160 Ian G.  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:14:22am

re: #158 Justanotherhuman

You know what Bitcoin makes me think of? Weimar (oh, the irony!). Any dudebro bar that accepts it should be ready for people to buy 2 beers instead of one, just in case Bitcoin’s value plunges before round 2.

161 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:15:00am

re: #159 ObserverArt

That was all before the NSA!

And if you know anything about the printing industry…think of all the jobs that have been lost with digital media. It is truly staggering. And maybe I ma biased, but a lot of great art and content went with it.

Remember what printing did to the art of illustrated manuscripts…

162 GunstarGreen  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:16:57am

re: #111 Pie-onist Overlord

Another TCOT genius who doesn’t know what the National Anthem is.

[Embedded content]

What kind of pathetic, deluded existence must a person lead to select their twitter handle based on a single faceless news media outlet that particularly has their goat?

163 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:17:41am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Had an eventful commute this morning with my arrival in NYC. Instead of proceeding out the WTC station as normal, I was met by a wall of people who were being guided away from PATH hill (the bank of escalators that take you up nearly 10 stories to street level). No announcements in the station, only that everyone was being pushed into the East West Connector.

That shouldn’t have been a problem, except that half the doors were inoperable, so everyone was being guided through one set of double doors.


Yeah, that bright spot in the background on the left is the sole set of doors available for the crush of people.

Once past those doors, you were met with the grandeur and stark beauty of the East West connector. It was at that point that there were security announcing that there was falling ice and everyone was being directed the way we were for our safety. The crowd thinned somewhat, but most people then herded towards Vesey Street to cross West back towards the WTC PATH entrance.

Huge crowds that way, so people sought another way to get to the East side of Manhattan, and walked through the maze of Brookfield Place (the former World Financial Center) construction to take the bridge over West Street.

After that, it was a straight shot to the office.

Not too bad, all things considered. It also meant that the East West Connector saw the most people use it in a day. Ever. Bet most never even knew it was open. It’s also a hint at what the WTC transit hub will eventually look like (once the $4+ billion station is open, that is).

164 theheat  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:17:55am

When they take America back, then nobody has to take any flak for posting their swastika spur straps. Because, ya know, they understand the symbolism, and liberals don’t. //

165 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:18:36am

Off to Home Depot, gotta get some 4 inch PVC fittings to rig up my frankenstein dust collector. Gotta love ya some duct tape. I’m actually using it to make ducts.

RBS

166 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:19:20am

re: #161 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

Remember what printing did to the art of illustrated manuscripts…

Sure, but seeing something on a screen is far different than holding it your hand.

I don’t want to project “art” on my walls, either. I want the actual, physical thing to be there—so what if it’s a repro or print or some artifact I like? A machine isn’t going to warm up my home like my own, personal touch.

But that’s just me, maybe.

167 Ian G.  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:21:11am

re: #163 lawhawk

Oof, that sucks.

168 darthstar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:21:22am

re: #158 Justanotherhuman

Woops!

Bitcoin plunges as major exchange halts withdrawals

money.cnn.com

You’re supposed to buy and save bitcoins! Not turn them in for cash after they’ve gone up in value!

169 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:21:25am

re: #161 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

Remember what printing did to the art of illustrated manuscripts…

Remember what papyrus did to the clay tablet potters.

170 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:22:26am

re: #168 darthstar

You’re supposed to buy and save bitcoins! Not turn them in for cash after they’ve gone up in value!

I would have sold them to the suckers (if I had any) when they shot up to $1K each. : )

171 GunstarGreen  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:22:33am

re: #169 Decatur Deb

Remember what papyrus did to the clay tablet potters.

Remember what written communication did to the oral history keepers.

172 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:24:26am

re: #158 Justanotherhuman

Woops!

Bitcoin plunges as major exchange halts withdrawals

money.cnn.com

13% drop over several hours from $831 high to $719 low, as quoted in the CNN story. It’s likely due from panic selling. Bitcoin traders are not the most sophisticated.

173 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:25:35am

re: #163 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Had an eventful commute this morning with my arrival in NYC. Instead of proceeding out the WTC station as normal, I was met by a wall of people who were being guided away from PATH hill (the bank of escalators that take you up nearly 10 stories to street level). No announcements in the station, only that everyone was being pushed into the East West Connector.

That shouldn’t have been a problem, except that half the doors were inoperable, so everyone was being guided through one set of double doors.

[Embedded content]


Yeah, that bright spot in the background on the left is the sole set of doors available for the crush of people.

Once past those doors, you were met with the grandeur and stark beauty of the East West connector. It was at that point that there were security announcing that there was falling ice and everyone was being directed the way we were for our safety. The crowd thinned somewhat, but most people then herded towards Vesey Street to cross West back towards the WTC PATH entrance.

Huge crowds that way, so people sought another way to get to the East side of Manhattan, and walked through the maze of Brookfield Place (the former World Financial Center) construction to take the bridge over West Street.

After that, it was a straight shot to the office.

Not too bad, all things considered. It also meant that the East West Connector saw the most people use it in a day. Ever. Bet most never even knew it was open. It’s also a hint at what the WTC transit hub will eventually look like (once the $4+ billion station is open, that is).

Fire Marshal should be shitting railroad ties.

174 Political Atheist  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:26:39am

re: #172 wheat-dogghazi

Bitcoin was made to make gold look good.—-

175 Ian G.  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:26:39am

re: #163 lawhawk

My Facebook feed now has several photos like that one. One dude I know from b-school who is from India captioned his WTC station photo as “putting Mumbai train stations to shame”.

176 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:30:44am

re: #162 GunstarGreen

What kind of pathetic, deluded existence must a person lead to select their twitter handle based on a single faceless news media outlet that particularly has their goat?

Well they probably have a whole bunch of Twitter handles.

177 kirkspencer  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:32:51am

re: #173 Decatur Deb

Fire Marshal should be shitting railroad ties.

Bah. You assume his sphincter was that loose?

me, I think he was smelting titanium.

178 darthstar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:34:00am

Entrepeneurs! Thanks Obamacare!

179 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:38:00am

It’s 10F, it’s snowing, MrBWS is on his way home but the roads are still ice/snow covered here and that last hill is going to be a nightmare for him. (End of the third straight week of school closed as well).
I’ve been up since 4 am making sure pipes don’t freeze.

This is pretty much my plan for today:

That kinda day…

180 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:38:07am

re: #174 Political Atheist

Bitcoin was made to make gold look good.—-

Gold has intrinsic value, included uses beyond its monetary value. Gold prices fluctuate, but not as rapidly as Bitcoins, which have no intrinsic value other than that provided by the market. MtGox, one of the biggest Bitcoin exchanges, suspended trades for a while to fix its systems. That caused a big sell-off, but not a catastrophic one.

This is not just a hobby for dudebros. There’s a $9 billion market cap now in Bitcoin trading.

181 ObserverArt  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:38:37am

re: #161 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

Remember what printing did to the art of illustrated manuscripts…

Yeah. It allowed people outside the monastery and the chosen few university to be educated and enjoy images too!

That damn Gutenburg…look what he done did. Allowing those little people education and to learn what was going on in those monasteries and universities. Oops.

And keep in mind. Many of the first printed books had illuminations in them and then along came type designers with elaborate initial caps and room for artists to add illustrations.

I know what you are saying. But at least printing did some major opening up of education and created all kinds of jobs.

In a strange way now that I think about it, the ‘net may be limiting things once again. Just like Fox news…if you do not avail yourself to all that is out there and just trust your preconceived, predigested, confirmed thoughts to places you buy into you might as well just be back in the Dark Ages.

It still amazes me with all the education available, we might just be getting more ignorant and denser. How the hell does that happen???

And with that…I am actually warm enough now to get something happening with my day. See you all around later.

Oh, one more thing. I saw some above commenting about Obdi. I sure hope he is okay. Maybe Charles could check in with him as he would have his email, right?

182 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:39:47am

re: #167 Ian G.

Yeah, service to WTC is now suspended, so that’s definitely better than being stuck in huge crowds.

183 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:40:00am

re: #180 wheat-dogghazi

Gold has intrinsic value, included uses beyond its monetary value. Gold prices fluctuate, but not as rapidly as Bitcoins, which have no intrinsic value other than that provided by the market. MtGox, one of the biggest Bitcoin exchanges, suspended trades for a while to fix its systems. That caused a big sell-off, but not a catastrophic one.

This is not just a hobby for dudebros. There’s a $9 billion market cap now in Bitcoin trading.

So when does the bubble burst? : )

184 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:40:59am

re: #181 ObserverArt

It still amazes me with all the education available, we might just be getting more ignorant and denser. How the hell does that happen???

Books are only useful if people read them. Education is only effective if people accept it.

185 ObserverArt  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:42:09am

re: #171 GunstarGreen

Remember what written communication did to the oral history keepers.

Remember what the world was like before humans?!

I don’t!

(sneaking away now…)

186 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:43:15am

re: #173 Decatur Deb

You have no idea. Much of the PATH station is wrapped in plywood due to the construction. Even the floors.

Yeah, I try to get out of the station as quick as possible. Not a place to linger more than absolutely necessary - like waiting for a train to come or getting off the platforms to street level.

187 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:43:58am

re: #181 ObserverArt

It still amazes me with all the education available, we might just be getting more ignorant and denser. How the hell does that happen???

It’s what happens when you substitute information for critical thinking.

188 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:44:28am

re: #186 lawhawk

You have no idea. Much of the PATH station is wrapped in plywood due to the construction. Even the floors.

Yeah, I try to get out of the station as quick as possible. Not a place to linger more than absolutely necessary - like waiting for a train to come or getting off the platforms to street level.

Not like anyone has ever caused a panic at the WTC.

189 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:45:10am

re: #153 darthstar

Looks like NSA Joe

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The figure is in pre-war Army dress, as evidenced by the canvas gaiters around its ankles and the wide-brimmed hat in its hand.

190 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:46:54am

re: #183 Justanotherhuman

So when does the bubble burst? : )

Hard to say, because retailers, Wall Street, banks, and governments are taking it seriously. That PricewaterhouseCoopers white paper I paged points out that bitcoin makes micro-payments (fees less than $1) more feasible for websites, because the transaction fees are minimal compared to credit card or ACH fees. The Chicago Sun-Times did a paywall experiment a few days ago with Bitcoin, to test feasibility. It seems to have gone well.


Bitcoin may have started as some dudebro’s libertarian dream, but it may just turn out to have some real utility in the real world.

191 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:47:42am

re: #172 wheat-dogghazi

Almost as nasty a drop as Twitter yesterday. Twitter lost 25% of its stock value yesterday following its earnings report.

192 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:48:27am

re: #169 Decatur Deb

Remember what papyrus did to the clay tablet potters.

remember what the invention of writing did to the Oral Tradition…

193 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:48:52am

re: #189 Dark_Falcon

The figure is in pre-war Army dress, as evidenced by the canvas gaiters around its ankles and the wide-brimmed hat in its hand.

I understand that Pharell originated that style. /

194 darthstar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:52:11am

re: #191 lawhawk

Almost as nasty a drop as Twitter yesterday. Twitter lost 25% of its stock value yesterday following its earnings report.

Twitter will bounce back as tweeple will see it as a twinvestment twopportunity to twown some shares…

195 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:55:58am

re: #190 wheat-dogghazi

Hard to say, because retailers, Wall Street, banks, and governments are taking it seriously. That PricewaterhouseCoopers white paper I paged points out that bitcoin makes micro-payments (fees less than $1) more feasible for websites, because the transaction fees are minimal compared to credit card or ACH fees. The Chicago Sun-Times did a paywall experiment a few days ago with Bitcoin, to test feasibility. It seems to have gone well.

Bitcoin may have started as some dudebro’s libertarian dream, but it may just turn out to have some real utility in the real world.

I see it serving as some sort of int’l currency but not applicable for widespread use. I think it will be pretty much an internet transaction phenomenon.

What you’re seeing here, if it ever did take over actual money, would be a dissolution of banks as we know them.

196 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:55:59am

re: #194 darthstar

Twitter will bounce back as tweeple will see it as a twinvestment twopportunity to twown some shares…

Its share price is already showing signs of recovery.

197 darthstar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:56:55am

I like to buy high and sell low, because not everyone can be a winner.

198 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:59:40am

This doesn’t bode well…

199 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:01:58am

re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth

But electronic surveillance devices are working perfectly!

200 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:03:52am
201 darthstar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:04:12am

Concord is a little conservative mecca in the Bay Area. Just on the eastern side of the Caldecott Tunnel (called Culture Stop Tunnel by a lot of us for a reason).

202 RadicalModerate  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:06:06am

Add flat-out deception and fraud to the list of tricks that the Republican National Committee is using to get donations to their cause.

National Republican Congressional Campaign using fake Democrat websites to lure voters

(CNN) - A warning this election season: If you are searching the Web for information on Democratic congressional candidates, read the fine print.

At least 15 websites that appear to be official campaign sites for Democratic candidates, are actually the handiwork of the National Republican Congressional Committee.

In an effort to improve their online efforts this election season, the NRCC’s digital team came up with what the group believes is a great idea: get out the Republican message through fake Democrat sites.

“The idea is people who are looking for information on the candidate, one of the places we all go now is online and so this is a way for folks to find out more about the candidates and information they may not find on the candidate’s own site,” said Daniel Scarpinato, the NRCC’s press secretary.

The NRCC bought up hundreds of URLs on potential weak Democratic candidates and created sites that mimic the real ones.

The names that are used for these sites have the earmarks of being from the official campaign of the Democratic candidates, and in many cases have an official-looking photo, along with a big “Donate” button, whose mouseover states it is for his campaign. The donation page itself, once again looks like it is for the candidate, however it isn’t until you read the fine print that it is indicated that the money is going to the National Republican Congressional Campaign.

203 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:06:57am

Great Moments in White-splainin’:

Gun Owners of America president says African-Americans should be like ‘Africans from Africa’ (AUDIO)

Gun Owners of America president Larry Pratt suggested African Americans should be more like “Africans from Africa” Tuesday.

The comments came during an interview on the Gun Owner’s News Hours show, where Pratt noted most Africans from Africa are generally happier and more pro-American than their African-American counterparts, Opposing Views reports.

“Generally, the African from Africa is a very pro-American person, a very happy person. I know several, and they’re just always — happy with a joke, a pleasant smile on their face, and they clearly don’t identify with the surliness that’s all too frequently the attitude of their fellow African-Americans here,” said Pratt.

204 BongCrodny  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:06:57am

re: #195 Justanotherhuman

What you’re seeing here, if it ever did take over actual money, would be a dissolution of banks as we know them.

If that were to happen, I’d cry all the way to the bank somewhere else.

205 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:08:24am

re: #202 RadicalModerate

Similar to one state committee’s fake ACA website. The GOP has learned from Chinese and Russian media manipulation.

206 BongCrodny  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:09:00am

re: #203 Dark_Falcon

Great Moments in White-splainin’:

Gun Owners of America president says African-Americans should be like ‘Africans from Africa’ (AUDIO)

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“Why can’t you be more like Uncle Ruckus?”

207 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:09:18am

re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth

This doesn’t bode well…

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Why do they say “out of service” when it was probably never in service in the first place?

The Russians have a wonderful term, nedostroika, for a construction project that is not yet finished but already in need of repairs…

208 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:10:06am
209 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:10:51am

re: #203 Dark_Falcon

Great Moments in White-splainin’:

Gun Owners of America president says African-Americans should be like ‘Africans from Africa’ (AUDIO)

If that is the case, Obama should be just the man they want, he is from Kenya, isn’t he?

210 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:11:18am

re: #192 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

remember what the invention of writing did to the Oral Tradition…

Have you tried to hire a bard or a blind poet recently? Ridiculous wages and they want proficiency pay for prophetic invocation.

211 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:13:43am

re: #209 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

Shhh, don’t confuse Larry Pratt with facts or consistency. Besides, Obama would still be bad because he’s a Muslim and all Muslims in the West are agents of Creeping Sharia.

///

212 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:13:48am

re: #195 Justanotherhuman

I see it serving as some sort of int’l currency but not applicable for widespread use. I think it will be pretty much an internet transaction phenomenon.

What you’re seeing here, if it ever did take over actual money, would be a dissolution of banks as we know them.

That’s an interesting question. Bitcoin fanatics certainly hope it does, as a completely decentralized, free-market kind of currency, but I don’t see it surviving free from some kind of government regulation for very long. On the other hand, it does resemble the kind of “money” mentioned in many SF stories — You know, “How many credits did that blaster cost you?”

213 darthstar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:14:42am
214 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:16:42am

re: #210 Decatur Deb

Have you tried to hire a bard or a blind poet recently? Ridiculous wages and they want proficiency pay for prophetic invocation.

and don’t forget what the Oral Tradition did to grunting and play-acting…

215 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:17:35am

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

Shhh, don’t confuse Larry Pratt with facts or consistency. Besides, Obama would still be bad because he’s a Muslim and all Muslims in the West are agents of Creeping Sharia.

///

I think he means “Good Africans” in the sense of the ones in Nigeria and Uganda who pass all the homophobic legislation

216 darthstar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:18:22am
217 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:18:23am

Video showing the ice falling of 1WTC, which caused the morning’s mayhem at the WTC PATH station and more photos:

Youtube Video

218 GunstarGreen  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:21:32am

re: #202 RadicalModerate

Add flat-out deception and fraud to the list of tricks that the Republican National Committee is using to get donations to their cause.

National Republican Congressional Campaign using fake Democrat websites to lure voters

The names that are used for these sites have the earmarks of being from the official campaign of the Democratic candidates, and in many cases have an official-looking photo, along with a big “Donate” button, whose mouseover states it is for his campaign. The donation page itself, once again looks like it is for the candidate, however it isn’t until you read the fine print that it is indicated that the money is going to the National Republican Congressional Campaign.

From the party that brought you PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY™.

219 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:24:42am

heh….

220 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:24:55am

re: #214 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

and don’t forget what the Oral Tradition did to grunting and play-acting…

Paleo Diet—Mime on a Stick.

221 Please Proceed  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:32:03am

re: #216 darthstar

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I watch Fox News on election night.

222 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:32:12am

re: #219 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh….

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So all the donor looked at was the name and the word DONATE.

On the one for Alex Sink it says in bold letters halfway down
Alex Sink - A risk we can’t afford
On Colin Petersons
Washington is broke, and Colin Peterson is part of the problem
And on Kilpatricks
Kilpatrick is a huge embarassment for Arizona

heh,,, sorta like buying a used car without reading it is sold AS IS with NO WARRANTY, then getting mad when something on it fails

223 GunstarGreen  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:33:25am

re: #222 sattv4u2

So all the donor looked at was the name and the word DONATE.

On the one for Alex Sink it says in bold letters halfway down
>Alex Sink - A risk we can’ afford
On Colin Petersons
>Washington is broke, and Colin Peterson is part of the problem
And on Kilpatricks
>Kilpatrick is a huge embarassment for Arizona

heh,,, sorta like buying a used car without reading it is sold AS IS with NO WARRANTY, then getting mad when something on it fails

Excusing deception and fraud with malice aforethought on the part of Republicans? Shocking.

224 b.d.  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:34:56am

NBC’s & Greenwald’s newest revelations are about what the Brits told an entire convention’s worth of people about? It’s so secret that they presented it on Powerpoint to everyone in during a workshop?

I didn’t think real secrets involved building an entire multimedia presentation around?

Boring.

225 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:35:00am

re: #202 RadicalModerate

Add flat-out deception and fraud to the list of tricks that the Republican National Committee is using to get donations to their cause.

National Republican Congressional Campaign using fake Democrat websites to lure voters

[snip]

Fucking lowlife, deceiving bastards. Unethical, the whole fucking lot of them.

226 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:35:11am

re: #222 sattv4u2

So all the donor looked at was the name and the word DONATE.

On the one for Alex Sink it says in bold letters halfway down
>Alex Sink - A risk we can’t afford
On Colin Petersons
>Washington is broke, and Colin Peterson is part of the problem
And on Kilpatricks
>Kilpatrick is a huge embarassment for Arizona

heh,,, sorta like buying a used car without reading it is sold AS IS with NO WARRANTY, then getting mad when something on it fails

Which usually doesn’t work in court either.

227 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:35:59am

re: #223 GunstarGreen

Excusing deception and fraud with malice aforethought on the part of Republicans? Shocking.

What fraud?? If you (or anyone) were to read the website instead of just knee jerking the name and word DONATE it clearly shows that it is an ANTI (insert name) ad

228 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:36:12am

Big On-Topic Surprise:

“Oops,” Say Think Tanks Following the American Nazi Party

gawker.com

229 iossarian  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:36:26am

re: #223 GunstarGreen

Excusing deception and fraud with malice aforethought on the part of Republicans? Shocking.

It’s not as if they have anything better to do, like convincingly argue the case for their own policy positions.

230 Varek Raith  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:38:49am

So bitcoin is collapsing.
Never saw that one coming.
Nope!

231 GunstarGreen  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:39:14am

re: #227 sattv4u2

What fraud?? If you (or anyone) were to read the website instead of just knee jerking the name and word DONATE it clearly shows that it is an ANTI (insert name) ad

You know it’s dishonest. Otherwise they wouldn’t be going out of their way to mirror the actual sites. These are the tactics of criminals (i.e. identity thieves), and you know it. You’ve got to be pretty damn low to defend something like this.

And people wonder why we oppose the GOP.

232 Varek Raith  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:39:49am

re: #228 Decatur Deb

Big On-Topic Surprise:

“Oops,” Say Think Tanks Following the American Nazi Party

gawker.com

WTF.

233 Varek Raith  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:41:46am

re: #228 Decatur Deb

Big On-Topic Surprise:

“Oops,” Say Think Tanks Following the American Nazi Party

gawker.com

Just letting that sink in.

Until they were called out on Twitter earlier today, the Heritage Foundation and the Cato Institute were both followers of “America’s premier 21st Century National Socialist Organization.”

234 Interesting Times  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:41:52am

re: #231 GunstarGreen

You know it’s dishonest. Otherwise they wouldn’t be going out of their way to mirror the actual sites.

And Google wouldn’t be taking an action like this:

Google slaps ‘reported phishing’ warning on idiotic Republican scam website

To add insult to this bumbling self-inflicted injury, Google has put a “reported phishing” warning on at least one of the Republican scam websites (the one targeting Alex Sink of Florida.)

235 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:42:40am

re: #232 Varek Raith

WTF.

You don’t think the White Power knuckledragers were actually thinking stuff up on their own? These white-shirt academics have always been the seedbed.

236 Varek Raith  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:43:29am

re: #235 Decatur Deb

You don’t think the White Power knuckledragers were actually thinking stuff up on their own? These white-shirt academics have always been the seedbed.

I know, I just can’t believe they were so stupidly blatant about it.
Wait….
Yes, I can.
:/

237 Varek Raith  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:44:22am

Riiiiiiiiggggggggghhhhhhhhhhtttttttttttttt………………..

238 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:44:49am

re: #227 sattv4u2

What fraud?? If you (or anyone) were to read the website instead of just knee jerking the name and word DONATE it clearly shows that it is an ANTI (insert name) ad

You are underestimating the gullibility of the typical reader. These are the kind of folks who get fooled by “famous actor (name here) dies in terrible accident” Facebook posts and Nigerian emails. Hell, even Snowden’s co-workers got talked out of their login credentials.

The sites are deliberate attempts to hoodwink the gullible. Don’t try to excuse the deception.

239 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:45:06am

re: #236 Varek Raith

I know, I just can’t believe they were so stupidly blatant about it.
Wait….
Yes, I can.
:/

“No one here at the think tank can truly understand the complexity of Twitter.”

240 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:45:51am

HURR HURRRRR!!!!!!

241 Varek Raith  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:46:45am

So, why did your bot’s programming think the NAZI party was worth following?

Hmmm?
It didn’t do it on it’s own.

242 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:46:57am

re: #227 sattv4u2

What fraud?? If you (or anyone) were to read the website instead of just knee jerking the name and word DONATE it clearly shows that it is an ANTI (insert name) ad

there’s illegal, and then there’s unethical.

243 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:47:12am

re: #240 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURRRRR!!!!!!

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Dimwit slept through every James Bond movie.

244 Varek Raith  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:47:29am

re: #240 Pie-onist Overlord

He really doesn’t get the spy world, does he?
What a moron.

245 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:47:45am

re: #238 wheat-dogghazi

The sites are deliberate attempts to hoodwink the gullible. Don’t try to excuse the deception.

Unfortunately, that is the state of politics
Do you really think that Wendy Davis is an advocate of open carry,, or as discussed here yesterday she HAS to have that “opinion” or she’s toast in Texas ((see what I did there ,,,, Texas ,,,, Toast,,,,,))))

246 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:48:13am

re: #242 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

see 245

247 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:48:34am

re: #240 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURRRRR!!!!!!

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The British have been using such methods on an organized basis since World War II. This is not a revelation.

248 Varek Raith  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:48:43am

re: #245 sattv4u2

Dude, stop digging.

249 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:49:19am

re: #241 Varek Raith

So, why did your bot’s programming think the NAZI party was worth following?

Hmmm?
It didn’t do it on it’s own.

DeMint shows up at work wearing new spurs…

250 Varek Raith  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:49:28am

Spying ain’t all lollipops and sunshine.
A revelation to some, I know.
Sheesh.

251 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:50:14am

re: #247 Dark_Falcon

The British have been using such methods on an organized basis since World War II. This is not a revelation.

There was a honeytrap in Jericho about 1300 BC.

252 Varek Raith  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:51:03am

re: #247 Dark_Falcon

The British have been using such methods on an organized basis since World War II. This is not a revelation.

Hell, that’s been standard for spying since humanity existed.
XD

253 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:51:21am

re: #215 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

I think he means “Good Africans” in the sense of the ones in Nigeria and Uganda who pass all the homophobic legislation

Actually, the nation he cites is Ghana, which has worked hard recently to develop an honest legal system and business community. These efforts have worked well so far and don’t deserve to be tarred being associated with Larry Pratt’s DERP.

254 iossarian  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:52:08am

re: #245 sattv4u2

The sites are deliberate attempts to hoodwink the gullible. Don’t try to excuse the deception.

Unfortunately, that is the state of politics
Do you really think that Wendy Davis is an advocate of open carry,, or as discussed here yesterday she HAS to have that “opinion” or she’s toast in Texas ((see what I did there ,,,, Texas ,,,, Toast,,,,,))))

This is a totally false equivalence. If Davis says she supports open carry, and then votes and generally acts as if she does, who cares what she actually believes in private? What matters in politicians is whether they vote and govern the way they say they will.

And it’s not the “state of politics”. It’s what the Republican party does, because it is devoid of actual policy and has been for a good 10 years now.

I would like to see one actual policy that Republicans are running on this fall. As in, a policy with details beyond “Washington done broke and Demkrats ain’t fix it.”

255 b.d.  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:53:02am
256 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:53:56am

breakfast is served…

257 GunstarGreen  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:54:15am

re: #245 sattv4u2

The sites are deliberate attempts to hoodwink the gullible. Don’t try to excuse the deception.

Unfortunately, that is the state of politics
Do you really think that Wendy Davis is an advocate of open carry,, or as discussed here yesterday she HAS to have that “opinion” or she’s toast in Texas ((see what I did there ,,,, Texas ,,,, Toast,,,,,))))

* Claiming to hold an opinion you don’t really hold in order to win votes — and that may not even be true, as nobody knows Wendy Davis’s mind except Wendy Davis
* Making a copy of a website in order to scam people out of donation money using tactics that are SOP for identity thieves.

Not at all equivalent. How can you support this kind of scumbaggery? How can you look at this sort of behavior and not have a problem with it? Is that what “the state of politics” has become for you? Any ethical violation is fine so long as we get what we want? The ends justify the means?

258 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:54:20am

re: #255 b.d.

Well, at least no one shot him. In view of the public anyway.

259 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:54:28am

re: #255 b.d.

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That makes me want to cry.

260 b.d.  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:55:24am
261 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:55:52am

re: #239 Decatur Deb

“No one here at the think tank can truly understand the complexity of Twitter.”

“There will be no thinking in the think tank room!”

262 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:56:22am

re: #240 Pie-onist Overlord

Oh Glenn. No one uses honey pots. Ever. Not even the Russians. Especially the Russians.

What a tool that Greenwald is to think that the Brits are the only ones to use honey pots. It’s an essential part of espionage.

The reality is that you’d have to be daft to think that a foreign intel service isn’t trying to use them. The expectation is that all countries spy and all countries will try to use honey pots so as to gain confidences, access to information, and obtain sensitive intel on a wide range of issues (political, social, economic, military, etc.)

You’d think that Glenn never heard of James Bond or Ian Fleming before.

263 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:56:23am

re: #222 sattv4u2

So all the donor looked at was the name and the word DONATE.

On the one for Alex Sink it says in bold letters halfway down
>Alex Sink - A risk we can’t afford
On Colin Petersons
>Washington is broke, and Colin Peterson is part of the problem
And on Kilpatricks
>Kilpatrick is a huge embarassment for Arizona

heh,,, sorta like buying a used car without reading it is sold AS IS with NO WARRANTY, then getting mad when something on it fails

Went back for another look at this. You just compared the GOP leadership to a crooked used car dealer. I mean, I dislike them but that’s a shot to the scrotum, dude.

264 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:57:05am

re: #254 iossarian

I would like to see one actual policy that Republicans are running on this fall.

They’ll run on one of the numerous alternative plans to Obamacare that some in the house have crafted ad passed up to the senate where it sat on Reids desk
They’ll also run on the economy, which continues to struggle. They will have “plans” to cure it

Will those “plans” be viable or work out if implemented? Who knows, But that IS what they will run on,, Just as Obama ran on what was wrong at the end of the Bush admin

265 iossarian  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:57:23am

re: #263 Decatur Deb

Went back for another look at this. You just compared the GOP leadership to a crooked used car dealer. I mean, I dislike them but that’s a shot to the scrotum, dude.

Vote for us and we’ll totally not screw you over in the next two years.

266 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:57:34am

re: #258 wheat-dogghazi

Well, at least no one shot ate him. In view of the public anyway.

ftfy

267 missliberties  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:58:15am

Most distrubing.

268 Varek Raith  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:59:04am

Turbotax is freaking out.
Sigh.

269 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:59:34am

re: #263 Decatur Deb

Went back for another look at this. You just compared the GOP leadership to a crooked used car dealer. I mean, I dislike them but that’s a shot to the scrotum, dude.

No,,

I compared the “buyer” to someone that didn’t do his research wrt the car
If read (not just the name and the word donate) the ad clearly shows that it is ANTI (insert name) just as the car clearly shows that it is sold AS IS with NO WARRANTY

270 iossarian  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:00:29am

re: #264 sattv4u2

I would like to see one actual policy that Republicans are running on this fall.

They’ll run on one of the numerous alternative plans to Obamacare that some in the house have crafted ad passed up to the senate where it sat on Reids desk

Say what you like about Obamacare, but it passed Congress. What you’re saying is that Republicans are incapable of coming up with policy that can be enacted in our system of government. That’s not good.

They’ll also run on the economy, which continues to struggle. They will have “plans” to cure it

But this is precisely my point - what ARE these “plans”? Do you know? Does anyone? If you don’t, will you vote for them?

Will those “plans” be viable or work out if implemented? Who knows, But that IS what they will run on,, Just as Obama ran on what was wrong at the end of the Bush admin

Again, this is a false equivalence. Obama had plans and we knew what they were: mostly to provide universal healthcare. Shit, we even roughly knew how it would be implemented, through an expansion of the private health insurance system with government subsidies for individuals with low incomes.

Again, tell me what the Republican plan is. And not just “they have plans”.

271 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:01:06am

decisions decisions decisions

golf today,, or paint the kitchen and master bathroom ceilings?

272 iossarian  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:01:52am

re: #271 sattv4u2

decisions decisions decisions

golf today,, or paint the kitchen and master bathroom ceilings?

If you inhale enough paint fumes, you might gain insight into Eric Cantor’s plans to fix the US economy :)

273 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:03:55am

re: #270 iossarian

will you vote for them?

I don’t vote for anyone that only gives me vague promises of “change”
What change?
How are you going too?
What happens if it doesn’t work,, do you have a plan B??

It’s early 2014. Until the nominee is picked you won’t see much in the way of details,,, from either the repub NOR whoever the dems run

274 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:04:01am

HURR HURRRRR!!!!!

275 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:04:35am

re: #271 sattv4u2

decisions decisions decisions

golf today,, or paint the kitchen and master bathroom ceilings?

I was on a golf green once—blew the exit point with an old round parachute and the base golf course looked like the softest thing around.

276 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:04:57am

re: #240 Pie-onist Overlord

The article goes out of its way to avoid any mention of Russia, and the most infamous example of a honey pot in recent history - Anna Chapman and Russia. Curious how that happens.

Instead, they pick a far more obscure example, claiming that Israel used it to capture Mordechai Vanunu (an operation dating back to 1986).

277 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:05:21am

re: #274 Pie-onist Overlord

The man is clueless.

278 BongCrodny  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:05:30am

One thing that puzzles me about the AlexSinkforCongress site: What possible reason would the NRCC have for needing your occupation and employer along with your credit card payment/info?

Another interesting thing is the fine print on the donation page:

By clicking contribute I confirm that I am at least 18 years old and am making this contribution on a personal credit or debit card with my own personal funds - not those of another person or entity - and that I meet the eligibility requirements set forth below:

So, basically, they’re cautioning people to not do what they’re doing.

279 iossarian  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:06:59am

re: #273 sattv4u2

It’s early 2014. Until the nominee is picked you won’t see much in the way of details,,, from either the repub NOR whoever the dems run

Democrats of various stripes are currently drafting policies to:

- raise the minimum wage, possibly to $10, although that number may obviously change based on such factors as CBO analysis
- continue to restrict CO2 emissions, either via the EPA or via further legislation
- restore/extend unemployment insurance
- lower the nominal corporate tax rate, though the effective rate would stay roughly the same or even increase slightly

These are actual policies that some (not all) Democrats are either actively trying to implement or running on.

What is Cantor’s plan? What is Ryan’s?

What are they planning to replace Obamacare with?

280 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:07:28am

re: honeypots

if a man is dumb enough to have sex with a strange woman outside the bonds of holy matrimony and legal wedlock, then he deserves what he gets, right?

281 Internet Tough Guy  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:07:47am

OBAMADRONZE FALSE FLAGS

282 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:07:57am

re: #274 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURRRRR!!!!!

[snip]

@jgarzik Didn’t realize it was “common spy novel fodder” to destroy people’s reputations who are suspected-but not convicted-of common cimes
— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) February 7, 2014

MLK jr. and John Lennon would like to disagree.

283 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:08:58am

I’m going to assume (correct me if I’m wrong) that Thomas Sowell has never attended a public school, never driven on an Interstate or a State highway, never used a public water supply or a public utility, never visited a public library, never walked on a city street that was patrolled by a police force.

284 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:09:40am

re: #282 Eventual Carrion

MLK jr. and John Lennon would like to disagree.

Weird to see a world-traveling super sophisticated journalist playing the “naive” defense.

285 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:10:24am

re: #134 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURRRR!!!! PRAVDA IS TEH TROOF!!!!!!!

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In Izvestia there is no pravda and in Pravda there is no izvestia.

286 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:11:07am

re: #284 Decatur Deb

Weird to see a world-traveling super sophisticated journalist playing the “naive” defense.

Glenn Greenwald — International Man of Mystery

287 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:11:46am

re: #279 iossarian

What are they planning to replace Obamacare with

Off the top of my head,,,,, heres two (there are others in the works)
Paul Broun has a plan
broun.house.gov
Tom Price has a plan
tomprice.house.gov

288 iossarian  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:11:47am

re: #283 Pie-onist Overlord

I’m going to assume (correct me if I’m wrong) that Thomas Sowell has never attended a public school, never driven on an Interstate or a State highway, never used a public water supply or a public utility, never visited a public library, never walked on a city street that was patrolled by a police force.

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The tweet is also another great instance of right-wingers stumbling into Marx’s insights: that extracting a share of the value of someone else’s labor is not necessarily all that “fair”.

289 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:12:53am

theheat

I thoroughly enjoyed reading this post!

290 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:14:04am

re: #158 Justanotherhuman

Woops!

Bitcoin plunges as major exchange halts withdrawals

money.cnn.com

Inconceivable! Bitcoin, created by technology and the free market, has real value! Unlike the fiat currencies that governments create!

291 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:14:21am

re: #245 sattv4u2

The sites are deliberate attempts to hoodwink the gullible. Don’t try to excuse the deception.

Unfortunately, that is the state of politics
Do you really think that Wendy Davis is an advocate of open carry,, or as discussed here yesterday she HAS to have that “opinion” or she’s toast in Texas ((see what I did there ,,,, Texas ,,,, Toast,,,,,))))

It would be more accurate to say that Wendy Davis has learned a lesson of Texas’ political history. Gov. Ann Richards fought the passage of concealed carry in Texas and lost that fight. Said loss in opposing something most people in the state favored cost her a good bit of popularity and contributed to her defeat by George W. Bush.

Wendy Davis, by contrast, knows that open carry has enough support to pass in Texas and that opposing it would just give Jim Abbot a stick with which to flog her. So she decided to support that which she cannot stop, accepting the decision of the people.

292 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:14:49am

re: #283 Pie-onist Overlord

Privatize ‘em all!!!

293 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:14:54am
294 kirkspencer  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:15:03am

re: #264 sattv4u2

I would like to see one actual policy that Republicans are running on this fall.

They’ll run on one of the numerous alternative plans to Obamacare that some in the house have crafted ad passed up to the senate where it sat on Reids desk
They’ll also run on the economy, which continues to struggle. They will have “plans” to cure it

Will those “plans” be viable or work out if implemented? Who knows, But that IS what they will run on,, Just as Obama ran on what was wrong at the end of the Bush admin

there are not numerous alternative plans. See, I’ve read the bills - I’m weird that way. And I can tell you that there has been one plan. The rest of the things that have hit the desk have been ‘quit doing Obamacare’ with nothing proposed. The plan, if any, is to go back to how things were before Obamacare.

And we know that doesn’t work. Or rather it works, but at such a dissatisfactory level that members of both parties were applying pressure to get it fixed.

Oh - and earlier up thread you made some sort of disparaging remark about Wendy Davis and ‘who knows if she really supports open carry’. As I mentioned several threads ago, yes she does. There are several Texas Dems who don’t, and as an even better indicator she’s been in favor of it (with strings) for several years. It’s not a new position for her.

295 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:16:01am

re: #272 iossarian

Fling an insult, get a downding.

296 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:16:07am

re: #283 Pie-onist Overlord

I’m going to assume (correct me if I’m wrong) that Thomas Sowell has never attended a public school, never driven on an Interstate or a State highway, never used a public water supply or a public utility, never visited a public library, never walked on a city street that was patrolled by a police force.

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I don’t get Thomas Sowell. He did work hard and bring himself up from nothing and was a ardent Marxist for sometime. He went to the Univ of Chicago —which also produced “More Guns Less Crime” —John Lott.

I can actually understand what he writes, which is not the case with most economists. I also enjoyed his autobiography. I think, perhaps, at this point, he is just plain old.

297 iossarian  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:17:24am

re: #287 sattv4u2

What are they planning to replace Obamacare with

Off the top of my head,,,,, heres two (there are others in the works)
Paul Broun has a plan
broun.house.gov
Tom Price has a plan
tomprice.house.gov

OK, then, let’s take Broun’s first:

Fully repeal the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act;

* Provide 100% deductibility for all health care expenses, including health insurance;

* Increase contribution limits and add patient-friendly reforms to Health Savings Accounts;

* Move Medicare to a flexible, sustainable premium assistance program;

* Allow consumers to purchase health insurance across state lines;

Repeal Obamacare - obvious. Now, what does he replace it with?

Provide 100% deductibility: sounds good, effectively it’s a tax cut. Not revenue neutral. So unless he suggests a cut somewhere else in the budget (defense?) it’s not paid for. Where is the offsetting cut?

Increase contribution limits to Health Savings Accounts: again a tax cut - where is it paid for?

Privatize medicare - would you vote for that if you’re approaching retirement? Maybe you would - a lot of (lower income) people won’t (or shouldn’t, since it will leave them worse off).

Health insurance across state lines - all insurance companies will move HQ to state with lowest consumer protection. Is this a good thing?

I would not vote for that package. I suspect it’s why the RNC is putting up shady websites rather than trumpeting their policies.

298 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:18:17am

re: #271 sattv4u2

decisions decisions decisions

golf today,, or paint the kitchen and master bathroom ceilings?

GOLF?

YOU NEED TO WORK ON THE HOUSE!

Winter is coming.

299 iossarian  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:19:11am

re: #295 Dark_Falcon

Fling an insult, get a downding.

I was trying to imply that you need paint fumes to understand Cantor’s thought processes, but fair enough.

300 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:19:12am

heh

Mrs Satty just informed me that if I start now I could paint the ceilings THEN go golfing!!!!

301 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:19:14am

re: #189 Dark_Falcon

The figure is in pre-war Army dress, as evidenced by the canvas gaiters around its ankles and the wide-brimmed hat in its hand.

Pre-which war? There have been so many. ;)

302 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:19:36am

re: #295 Dark_Falcon

Fling an insult, get a downding.

‘tain’t nuthin

303 Varek Raith  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:19:42am

Anyone heard from Obdi?
Getting worried.

304 kirkspencer  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:20:49am

re: #287 sattv4u2

What are they planning to replace Obamacare with

Off the top of my head,,,,, heres two (there are others in the works)
Paul Broun has a plan
broun.house.gov
Tom Price has a plan
tomprice.house.gov

Neither plan languished on Reid’s desk. they never got out of the house.

Both plans start with defund/repeal Obamacare. And both - essentially, “Get government out of medical care and insurance. Privatize, privatize, privatize. oh, and allow tax credit on what does get paid.”

Which does bupkis for the people who couldn’t afford it.

305 Varek Raith  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:20:59am

Fraud is ok if you are a Republican.

306 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:21:17am

re: #205 wheat-dogghazi

Similar to one state committee’s fake ACA website. The GOP has learned from Chinese and Russian media manipulation.

Which is why they admire Putin so much.

307 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:21:30am

‘First British suicide bomber in Syria’ believed to have struck Aleppo prison

The bomb looks like something from a Mad Max movie

308 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:21:39am

re: #301 Romantic Heretic

Pre-which war? There have been so many. ;)

Late 1930’s, before World War II.

309 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:22:07am

re: #298 FemNaziBitch

GOLF?

YOU NEED TO WORK ON THE HOUSE!

Winter is coming.

heh

Gotta warm up with a round. Going to South Carolina next week with friends for a mini golf vacation (haven’t played in two weeks because of ‘winter” here)

310 calochortus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:22:38am

re: #287 sattv4u2

What are they planning to replace Obamacare with

Off the top of my head,,,,, heres two (there are others in the works)
Paul Broun has a plan
broun.house.gov
Tom Price has a plan
tomprice.house.gov

I looked up those plans. They seem to be long on limiting abortion and ‘government interference’ and really, really short on how I as someone who buys on the individual market, might be able to afford insurance and/or a major illness.

311 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:23:47am

Vocabulary Word for the Day:

Brickage
a word used when angry or to describe building a small platform from bricks
‘Brickage!’
or
‘fuckin buildin this like, brickage’

312 iossarian  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:24:03am

re: #304 kirkspencer

Neither plan languished on Reid’s desk. they never got out of the house.

Both plans start with defund/repeal Obamacare. And both - essentially, “Get government out of medical care and insurance. Privatize, privatize, privatize. oh, and allow tax credit on what does get paid.”

Which does bupkis for the people who couldn’t afford it.

re: #310 calochortus

I looked up those plans. They seem to be long on limiting abortion and ‘government interference’ and really, really short on how I as someone who buys on the individual market, might be able to afford insurance and/or a major illness.

I sense a golf outing coming up.

313 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:24:29am

Official: Russia to Help Iran Build 2nd N. Power Plant in Bushehr

“We are not obliged to introduce to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) the nuclear facilities that we are to build in the future and only 180 days before entry of nuclear substances there, we will inform the IAEA of them,” Salehi said.

Iran’s nuclear program is speeding ahead. Their interpretation of the agreement only applies to existing facilities, no inspections required for new reactors.

314 calochortus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:24:44am

re: #312 iossarian

I’m sure it’s in the plan somewhere.

315 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:25:10am

re: #310 calochortus

I looked up those plans. They seem to be long on limiting abortion and ‘government interference’ and really, really short on how I as someone who buys on the individual market, might be able to afford insurance and/or a major illness.

It’s a plan, not a good plan, but a plan.


“Answers: $1.00
Correct Answers: $5.00
Stupid looks still free”

316 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:25:47am

re: #294 kirkspencer

See, I’ve read the bills - I’m weird that way.

What was your take on the Obamacare bill before passage??

317 Varek Raith  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:26:19am

re: #316 sattv4u2

See, I’ve read the bills - I’m weird that way.

What was your take on the Obamacare bill before passage??

That it’s still better than what was the status quo and what the GOP is offering.
Still is far better today.

318 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:26:41am

re: #307 Killgore Trout

‘First British suicide bomber in Syria’ believed to have struck Aleppo prison

The bomb looks like something from a Mad Max movie

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It’s a dump truck with steel plate welded to the front sides and a big steel plate in front of it. The purpose of these additions was to ensure the Vehicle-Borne IED (VBIED) reached its planned detonation position. The steel plates prevented small arms fire from killing the driver or shooting out the engine or front tires.

All in all, a well-thought out and effective method of getting a bomb where the terror-scum needed it to be.

319 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:27:10am

re: #313 Killgore Trout

Official: Russia to Help Iran Build 2nd N. Power Plant in Bushehr

Iran’s nuclear program is speeding ahead. Their interpretation of the agreement only applies to existing facilities, no inspections required for new reactors.

Nothing to see here

Move along

320 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:27:33am

re: #313 Killgore Trout

Official: Russia to Help Iran Build 2nd N. Power Plant in Bushehr

Iran’s nuclear program is speeding ahead. Their interpretation of the agreement only applies to existing facilities, no inspections required for new reactors.

Is no problem. Comrade contractor from Sochi is in charge.

321 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:28:25am

re: #320 Decatur Deb

Is no problem. Comrade contractor from Sochi is in charge.

DONT EAT DRINK THE BROWN ACID WATER

322 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:29:39am
Kultured Kowboy Klukkers

Updinged and Tweeted.

What a great post. Everything you write is great. More!

323 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:30:15am

What is IFTTT?

324 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:31:17am

re: #323 FemNaziBitch

What is IFTTT?

I
Forgot
The
Toast
Today

325 darthstar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:32:03am

Frustrated four year old wants to play outside. After 10 minutes of stabbing at the snow with his shovel, looks up and shouts, “JESUS, MAKE IT WARM!”

facebook.com

326 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:32:49am

SO, I finished The Bible and Sword by Barbara Tuchmann.

It never ceases to amaze me how White People can fuck-up.

Suicide Bombers in Syria?, from Britian?

I guess one reaps what one sows.

327 b.d.  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:33:03am
328 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:33:40am

re: #242 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

there’s illegal, and then there’s unethical.

By current GOP standards this is ethical.

Of course they have a psychopath’s system of ethics: Gets us power and wealth=good. Destroys or weakens our enemies (every other person and group in existence)=good. Not pursuing the previous goals=bad.

It’s another reason I regard them as revolutionaries in the Bolshevik/Jacobin mold. They didn’t care what was done or who got hurt as long as they won.

329 austin_blue  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:35:16am

re: #240 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURRRRR!!!!!!

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That’s a headline from 1962, isn’t it?

330 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:35:21am

re: #328 Romantic Heretic

They didn’t care what was done or who got hurt as long as they won.

And they are different from any other group, how?

331 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:36:34am

re: #265 iossarian

Vote for us and we’ll totally not screw you over in the next two years.

What they mean is, “Vote for us and we’ll use lube next time.”

332 b.d.  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:37:29am
333 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:38:07am

re: #320 Decatur Deb

Is no problem. Comrade contractor from Sochi is in charge.

I’m sure the bathroom layout will suck but the reactor will work fine…so we got that going for us, which is nice.

334 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:38:11am

What does GG say about this? Because contrary to what the dudebros have been saying and the fear they’ve been planting in people’s minds, well, the worst isn’t happening. This is not your Russian surveillance state, Eddie.

NSA is collecting less than 30 percent of U.S. call data, officials say

washingtonpost.com

“The National Security Agency is collecting less than 30 percent of all Americans’ call records because of an inability to keep pace with the explosion in cellphone use, according to current and former U.S. officials.

“The disclosure contradicts popular perceptions that the government is sweeping up virtually all domestic phone data. It is also likely to raise questions about the efficacy of a program that is premised on its breadth and depth, on collecting as close to a complete universe of data as possible in order to make sure that clues aren’t missed in counterterrorism investigations.

“In 2006, the officials said, the NSA was collecting nearly all records about Americans’ phone calls from a number of U.S. companies under a then-classified program, but as of last summer that share had plummeted to less than 30 percent.”

335 Jayleia  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:38:13am

re: #329 austin_blue

1962 AD or BC? Oh hell, that wasn’t even “news” in 1962 BC…

336 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:38:20am

I got a Jawbone UP24.

Any ideas on companion apps to use? MyFitnessPal seems to be popular.

338 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:38:53am

I wanted to shift back to yesterdays discussion on extended UI benefits for a moment.

In the conservative mindset, the “by your own bootstraps” philosophy if you will, a person who is laid off from a 60K/year IT or middle management job should be TOTALLY WILLING to say, turn around and work at Subway or Wal-Mart for practically minimum wage until something better comes along.

At least that way you are contributing something and not being one of those horrible “leeches on society”. These people are actually right when they say there are plenty of jobs available.

The catch is that the vast majority of these jobs, whether part time or full time have multiple flaws. For one almost all are either low wage or commission only sales jobs, almost all offer nothing in the way of benefits. And almost all are either low level service industry jobs OR they are high pressure sales/marketing/telemarketing positions or, even worse, one of those “work from home” or multi level marketing shams.

There’s a reason you always see the same ads advertising these same kind of jobs in the same newspapers and on the same job boards all the time. They are high stress, high pressure and, generally, speaking, not very rewarding. This means people don’t last long in these jobs, hence why they are advertised constantly.

The “bootstraps” people think you should be happy to have any one of these jobs because at least hey, you have a job and you’re not a dreaded unemployment stat number.

That brings me to another point. Let’s say that person who got laid off from the 60K/year a job DOES take a low wage job. Even though it’s a massive downgrade that’s well below his skill level and will cause him to take a major hit on his standard of living.

BUT, that person will NOT factor into the unemployment statistics at all. The problem with those stats is that there’s no flexibility to them at all. You either have a job or you don’t. There’s no accounting for part time vs full time, pay cuts, position changes and so forth. It’s complete black or white.

See the “bootstraps” people think that most sane human beings should have no problem downgrading their job situation if the situation calls for it. It’s the “you gotta do what you gotta do” way of thinking.

They don’t think that anyone is entitled to anything. They you are entitled only to what you can take it upon yourself to inquire. See to them, if you get laid off from a 60K/year a job you don’t deserve another 60K/year job just like that. No, either you get lucky and land another good job or (and this is the far more common result) you’re expected to effectively “go back to the start of the line” and work your way up again.

This is what happens when we have a flawed way of thinking combined with a flawed system and a flawed method for reporting what’s going on in the system.

The Great Depression aside, I don’t think the labor market has ever been harder or less forgiving when it comes to a person simply trying to find a full time, living wage position.

For all this talk about American exceptionalism, we’re doing a really piss poor job taking care of our own.

339 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:40:02am

re: #300 sattv4u2

heh

Mrs Satty just informed me that if I start now I could paint the ceilings THEN go golfing!!!!

I have a friend whose hubby will be out with blaze orange golf balls at the practice range all winter long.

340 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:40:14am

What’s up with Obdi?

341 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:40:19am

A prelude to flattening the city….
Syria begins evacuating civilians trapped in Homs

342 iossarian  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:40:59am

re: #316 sattv4u2

See, I’ve read the bills - I’m weird that way.

What was your take on the Obamacare bill before passage??

I’ll answer this: I would have preferred single payer but was prepared to accept that that probably wouldn’t get through Congress, and that his plan was going to be the best step towards wresting power away from the for-profit insurance and healthcare industries in the long term.

So, I was happy to vote for it, knowing that it was a policy that would probably improve things in the long term (and also in the short term - lots more people who can afford healthcare).

343 CuriousLurker  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:41:44am

OT Drive-by: If you haven’t seen it, catch it while you can. BBL

344 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:42:16am

re: #338 Eclectic Cyborg

So let’s say that a laid-off professional who was making 60k/yr at his previous job, takes a minimum wage position at Walmart, then all the “bootstraps” conservatives are all HURR HURRRRR!!!11!!! U WOULDN’T BE IN THAT JRRB IF U HAD ANY SKILLS OR EDUCATION OR WORK HISTORY HURR HURR THAT MEANS U R NOT WORTH MOAR!!!!11!!!!!!!

345 b.d.  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:42:23am

??? How’d this happen?

346 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:42:32am

re: #333 Killgore Trout

I’m sure the bathroom layout will suck but the reactor will work fine…so we got that going for us, which is nice.

Chernobyl of you to take the underdog’s side. I can hardly contain my braumstelling.

347 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:42:35am

re: #308 Dark_Falcon

Late 1930’s, before World War II.

I know. I remember seeing them in Bill Mauldin before he started ‘Willie & Joe’. They were still wearing the British style helmets as well.

348 Varek Raith  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:42:55am

In short, the GOP health care plans bring us back to the status quo.

349 freetoken  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:43:02am

re: #345 b.d.

The asterisk is a wildcard - it stands in for anything.

350 darthstar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:43:40am
351 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:43:52am

re: #339 FemNaziBitch

I have a friend whose hubby will be out with blaze orange golf balls at the practice range all winter long.

When I lived in Boston, 8 of us would go down to Cape Cod in the middle of winter to golf. the courses would (sorta) clear off the fairways and greens, but the roughs were all snowbound,, so we would use black and/or pink balls so we could find them

352 iossarian  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:44:07am

re: #348 Varek Raith

In short, the GOP health care plans bring us back to the status quo.

But with less flexibility for doctors to treat pregnant women whose health is at risk.

353 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:44:32am

My favorite Brezhnev joke:

Comrade Brezhnev is reading a speech to open the 1980 Olympics, he starts out “O!-O!-O!…” His aide interrupts him, “Comrade Brezhnev! You are reading the Olympic symbol!”

354 darthstar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:44:50am

re: #332 b.d.

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No pointing cameras at the audience! Filming the seats is not allowed!

355 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:45:02am
356 Varek Raith  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:45:57am

re: #355 Pie-onist Overlord

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These people are seriously deranged.

357 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:46:15am

Govt bldg on fire in Bosnia. They’ve been having protests lately, also.

358 b.d.  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:47:32am

re: #354 darthstar

No pointing cameras at the audience! Filming the seats is not allowed!

too late!

359 Varek Raith  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:48:10am

re: #352 iossarian

But with less flexibility for doctors to treat pregnant women whose health is at risk.

This is why the GOP is in deep shit.
Hell, its’ defenders here are unable to defend this without deflecting or just plain ignoring it.

360 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:48:11am

re: #330 FemNaziBitch

And they are different from any other group, how?

Well, most groups seeking power aren’t planning on erecting guillotines or forcibly relocating large swathes of the population. The GOP, as currently constituted, would have no problem doing any of these things if it got them power.

Why did you pull out the MBF?

361 austin_blue  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:48:15am

Two weeks ago, municipalities dawdled in the run-up to an “icing event” and lots of kiddos got stuck at schools and mom and pop got stuck in a bunch of wrecks here in central Texas. (Same storm that then moved east and dough-popped Atlanta.)

So last night, there was a 30% chance of snow and ice and they shut the Region down fast.

What was set to be SnowPocalypse3 turned into NoPocalypse1. Still, a day off is a day off.

362 iossarian  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:49:16am

re: #359 Varek Raith

This is why the GOP is in deep shit.
Hell, its’ defenders here are unable to defend this without deflecting or just plain ignoring it.

WASHINGTON DONE BROKE AND DEMKRATS AIN’T FIX IT

363 iossarian  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:50:07am

BBL

364 austin_blue  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:51:16am

re: #358 b.d.

too late!

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Those are the public toilets, silly.

365 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:51:21am

HURR HURRRR!!! ITS A PROCESS!!!!! NOT FINAL!!!!!

366 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:52:29am

re: #359 Varek Raith

This is why the GOP is in deep shit.
Hell, its’ defenders here are unable to defend this without deflecting or just plain ignoring it.

HOLD THE WEDDIN

I never ‘defended’ nor “deflected” anything

I responded too “I would like to see one actual policy that Republicans are running on this fall. As in, a policy with details beyond “Washington done broke and Demkrats ain’t fix it.

I linked to various plans that they have proposed beyond Washington done broke and Demkrats ain’t fix it.”

367 darthstar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:52:42am

re: #358 b.d.

too late!

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Looks like someone was doing a mosaic of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

368 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:53:35am

re: #333 Killgore Trout

I’m sure the bathroom layout will suck but the reactor will work fine…so we got that going for us, which is nice.

I’d hate for a toilet flush to have an adverse effect on coolant flow though.
//

369 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:53:46am
370 Skip Intro  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:53:50am

re: #365 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURRRR!!! ITS A PROCESS!!!!! NOT FINAL!!!!!

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It sounds like that wingnut is looking forward to it.

371 b.d.  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:53:50am

re: #364 austin_blue

Those are the public toilets, silly.

They at least could have put some dogs in those seats.

372 austin_blue  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:54:42am

re: #371 b.d.

They at least could have put some dogs in those seats.

Dogs! It’s what for dinner!

373 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:55:28am

Ah well

Paint brush, meet ceiling!!!

bbl

374 freetoken  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:55:46am

re: #359 Varek Raith

This is why the GOP is in deep shit.

Not so quick, my young padawan:

JOBS REPORT IS DISAPPOINTING BUT NOT DISASTROUS

What if by 2016 the “economy” has soured again and people are losing jobs?

I think the real issue for 2016 is not so much how backwards the GOP has become, but how exploitive American politics can be of the sufferings of others.

I suspect by 2016 we’ll see the hints of a new, longer term “conservatism” that will emerge out of the sea of wingnuttia into which the GOP has currently dived.

Demographics not withstanding, playing the revanchism card can be quite a winner when times are tough.

375 darthstar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:56:02am
376 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:57:04am

re: #375 darthstar

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Slavery/Holocaust comparisons are NOT APPROPRIATE.

377 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:57:27am

Dismal outlook in Bosnia prompts violent protest

Bosnian officials assessing two days of anti-government unrest over the country’s dire economic situation and high unemployment say more than 130 people were injured in Tuzla. Local schools have been closed.

dw.de

378 Varek Raith  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:58:58am

re: #373 sattv4u2

Ah well

Paint brush, meet ceiling!!!

bbl

Compromise.
Hit paintballs at the ceiling with a golf club.

379 freetoken  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:59:10am

This is how one inches backwards into a campaign?

Biden Sees ‘No Obvious Reason’ Not to Run for President

380 darthstar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:59:23am

re: #376 Pie-onist Overlord

Slavery/Holocaust comparisons are NOT APPROPRIATE.

Corporate job lock is a more acceptable term, I agree.

381 Varek Raith  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:59:37am

re: #374 freetoken

Not so quick, my young padawan:

JOBS REPORT IS DISAPPOINTING BUT NOT DISASTROUS

What if by 2016 the “economy” has soured again and people are losing jobs?

I think the real issue for 2016 is not so much how backwards the GOP has become, but how exploitive American politics can be of the sufferings of others.

I suspect by 2016 we’ll see the hints of a new, longer term “conservatism” that will emerge out of the sea of wingnuttia into which the GOP has currently dived.

Demographics not withstanding, playing the revanchism card can be quite a winner when times are tough.

Well then, we really will be lost won’t we?

382 darthstar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:00:03am

re: #378 Varek Raith

Compromise.
Hit paintballs at the ceiling with a golf club.

Replacing the divots in the living room would take forever.

383 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:02:07am

Whoa! They’re burning down the presidential palace in Sarajevo.

384 Varek Raith  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:02:52am

re: #382 darthstar

Replacing the divots in the living room would take forever.

Details, details.

385 Interesting Times  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:03:10am

re: #303 Varek Raith

Anyone heard from Obdi?

I see him online on Gmail Chat, though he’s in “away” mode. Dropped him a line, asking him to stop by. I just figured his absence was due to being busy with school. Hope I’m right about that…

386 Varek Raith  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:03:13am

re: #383 Justanotherhuman

Whoa! They’re burning down the presidential palace in Sarajevo.

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Wow.
Serious shit is happening.

387 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:05:01am
388 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:05:41am

re: #386 Varek Raith

Wow.
Serious shit is happening.

Yeah, you should read the Deutsche Welle article linked. Serious unemployment, esp among young people who are in the forefront of this revolt.

389 kirkspencer  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:05:57am

re: #316 sattv4u2

See, I’ve read the bills - I’m weird that way.

What was your take on the Obamacare bill before passage??

In case you don’t recall, I did a fairly long series of analyses on it. In simple I thought it was flawed but workable. It did accomplish the primary intent: extend coverage to more Americans by making it more affordable - and had the means of paying for it included.

390 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:08:09am

yep…lots of empty seats:

391 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:08:37am

re: #387 Backwoods_Sleuth

8 Viral Sochi Olympics Photos That Are Total Lies

party poopers….

Lies on the internet? Unpossible!

392 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:09:56am
393 darthstar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:10:54am

re: #390 Backwoods_Sleuth

yep…lots of empty seats:

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Those seats are reserved for Edward Snowden and his handlers.

394 freetoken  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:12:37am

re: #381 Varek Raith

Well then, we really be lost won’t we?

In the big picture most of the personalities in our headlines today don’t really matter.

I’m trying to step away from the immediate and get a picture of what is happening on the large scale (geographically and temporally).

There’s no doubt that as we have grown in population the US has become a bit more diverse ethnically, religiously. I wonder if our relative (to other places in the world, like Sarajevo) societal harmony will be upended by some significant economic shock.

Other than our propensity to interpersonal gun violence, the US today for a large nation is rather well behaved. But we’re still on the long trajectory of centuries of “growth” (yes, at the cost of the previous inhabitants and the ecosystem at large). This has given us that American optimism which even outsiders have noticed.

What would happen if we entered a time of difficulty of greater magnitude than the Great Depression?

I’m old enough that I might die before the US changes as significantly as it has the past 5 decades of my life. But if you are young, I think it is worth pondering what life might be like in the US in the year 2064, then try to identify what assumptions went into those ponderations.

395 RadicalModerate  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:13:11am

re: #332 b.d.

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Saying “not full” is being very kind. I’m watching a live BBC stream of the opening ceremonies, and I would guess that the stadium crowd is maybe at 40% capacity - max. There’s entire sections (not counting the areas reserved for the athletes) that are almost completely empty.

396 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:13:20am

Not seeing very much on this yet. Bits I’ve been able to find indicate the plane was from Ukraine, hijacker wanted to divert it to Sochi.

397 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:14:22am

re: #376 Pie-onist Overlord

Slavery/Holocaust comparisons are NOT APPROPRIATE.

I’d give slavery comparisons a pass here because the term ‘wage slavery’ is so old.

Similarities between wage labor and slavery were noted in ancient Rome by Cicero,

They’re taking it a little farther with the movie title included….

No Holocaust pass, though.

398 BongCrodny  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:17:17am

re: #365 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURRRR!!! ITS A PROCESS!!!!! NOT FINAL!!!!!

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It’s a seekrit plan: Obama’s not going to put people in the FEMA Gulag until he’s out of office — that way his O-bot voters will be able to say he had nothing to do with it.

399 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:17:38am

re: #397 wrenchwench

I’d give slavery comparisons a pass here because the term ‘wage slavery’ is so old.

They’re taking it a little farther with the movie title included….

No Holocaust pass, though.

I would agree that “wage slavery” came about in the North as a more cost-effective alternative to ACTUAL slavery. Slave owners, after all, did have to feed, clothe and shelter their chattels. Mill/mine owners could pay their workers whatever a desperate work-seeker was willing to accept, and out of that they had to pay for food, housing and everything else at the “company store.”

400 b.d.  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:18:45am
401 palomino  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:21:58am

re: #245 sattv4u2

The sites are deliberate attempts to hoodwink the gullible. Don’t try to excuse the deception.

Unfortunately, that is the state of politics
Do you really think that Wendy Davis is an advocate of open carry,, or as discussed here yesterday she HAS to have that “opinion” or she’s toast in Texas ((see what I did there ,,,, Texas ,,,, Toast,,,,,))))

You really don’t understand Texas if you think liberals there can’t be pro-gun. Guns are deeply ingrained in the culture there, and liberals are generally more approving of lax gun laws than in other parts of the US. Liberals in TX are also more religious than liberals outside the Bible Belt.

You’re making a really unfair and uninformed assumption that she must be personally pro-gun control simply because she’s liberal and pro-choice.

402 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:22:15am

re: #396 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not seeing very much on this yet. Bits I’ve been able to find indicate the plane was from Ukraine, hijacker wanted to divert it to Sochi.

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It’s just starting to make the rounds…
Ukrainian plane makes emergency landing in Turkey after hijack attempt

403 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:22:31am

re: #399 Pie-onist Overlord

I would agree that “wage slavery” came about in the North as a more cost-effective alternative to ACTUAL slavery. Slave owners, after all, did have to feed, clothe and shelter their chattels. Mill/mine owners could pay their workers whatever a desperate work-seeker was willing to accept, and out of that they had to pay for food, housing and everything else at the “company store.”

That was George Pullman’s method, until it lead to some seriously nasty strikes and riots in Chicago in 1894. Pullman ended up so hated by his workers that he was buried in a concrete, iron, and steel fortress of a tomb to prevent vengeful employees from digging up his body and selling it for dissection.

404 leftynyc  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:23:42am

re: #390 Backwoods_Sleuth

yep…lots of empty seats:

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I see they’re off to a roaring start:

huffingtonpost.com

405 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:23:46am

re: #403 Dark_Falcon

That was George Pullman’s method, until it lead to some seriously nasty strikes and riots in Chicago in 1894. Pullman ended up so hated by his workers that he was buried in a concrete, iron, and steel fortress of a tomb to prevent vengeful employees from digging up his body and selling it for dissection.

Look up Cracked.com’s “6 Most Horrific Bosses In History”

Cracked is firewalled here.

406 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:25:02am

HURR HURRRRRR!!!!!11!! BECAUSE NOTHING EVER CHANGED IN HISTORY EVER!!!11!!!!!!!!

407 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:25:56am

re: #383 Justanotherhuman

Whoa! They’re burning down the presidential palace in Sarajevo.

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A subsequent tweet:


I have a SIL in Germany who visited Sarajevo between their Olympics and their siege and she was dismayed, as we all should be, at the thin veneer between civilization and barbarianism.

408 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:27:41am

re: #406 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURRRRRR!!!!!11!! BECAUSE NOTHING EVER CHANGED IN HISTORY EVER!!!11!!!!!!!!

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The NRO article makes a good point against an insult flinging NAACP official, but that Tweet doesn’t hint at that point, indulging instead in stale rhetoric.

409 palomino  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:27:47am

re: #406 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURRRRRR!!!!!11!! BECAUSE NOTHING EVER CHANGED IN HISTORY EVER!!!11!!!!!!!!

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Because NOTHING can ever change, even after 150 years. The Republican and Democratic Parties are EXACTLY the same as they were at the time of the Civil War. This is the sort of logic one runs into when dealing with neo-confederates and the TP. Another sign of an inability to accept that our nation and its politics are in a constant state of evolution.

410 RadicalModerate  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:33:16am

re: #245 sattv4u2

The sites are deliberate attempts to hoodwink the gullible. Don’t try to excuse the deception.

Unfortunately, that is the state of politics
Do you really think that Wendy Davis is an advocate of open carry,, or as discussed here yesterday she HAS to have that “opinion” or she’s toast in Texas ((see what I did there ,,,, Texas ,,,, Toast,,,,,))))

Wendy Davis has a record of being pro-gun rights throughout her career.

texastribune.org

Davis, who became an instant political celebrity after filibustering a restrictive abortion bill in June, voted in favor of allowing students to carry guns in their vehicles on college campuses. She is a gun owner and has said she believes the Second Amendment guarantees Americans that right. In a lot of states, that would probably put her in the pro-gun camp.

In fact, the only place where she runs afoul of the hardcore pro-gun lobby is that her desire to close the “gun show loophole” for background checks of dealers and buyers who hold their shows in municipal (ie city-owned) facilities.

411 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:34:15am

re: #406 Pie-onist Overlord

Not that slavery was a bad thing…it was actually pretty good for those people who enjoyed serving their masters and even fought as Confederate soldiers and movies like Birth Of A Nation and Gone With The Win were the troof, confirmed. FACT.

412 RadicalModerate  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:36:08am

re: #406 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURRRRRR!!!!!11!! BECAUSE NOTHING EVER CHANGED IN HISTORY EVER!!!11!!!!!!!!

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And the offshoot group of the KKK, the old White Citizens Councils renamed themselves to … The Council of Conservative Citizens. Sounds REAL Democratic-party related to me, especially if you consider the number of current Republicans who are either members or have recently spoken at their functions.

413 gwangung  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:37:43am

re: #406 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURRRRRR!!!!!11!! BECAUSE NOTHING EVER CHANGED IN HISTORY EVER!!!11!!!!!!!!

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So basically, they want to rest on their laurels.

Somebody should remind them that laurels don’t pay the bills or pay the rent.

414 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:38:36am

HURR HURR!!!!!! IF WE LOWERED TEH MINIMUM WAGE TO NOTHING ALL TEH BLAHS WOULD HAVE JRRBS!!!!1!!!!!

415 ramex  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:38:42am

Concerning this whole swastika thing, I was wondering if the background and politics of the person using the swastika matter at all when it comes to the person displaying it.
I worked for a fashion designer in West Hollywood who used the swastika in a few of her designs. She was the daughter of a survivor and a peace activist. When I worked there she wanted us to wear her designs. I did, but nothing with a swastika, and explained I found it disgusting. She said she was trying to reclaim the symbol and restore it to its original pre-Nazi meaning. I told her that for me it was too soon, and maybe in a couple thousand years the de-vilifying campaign might be worth running. I thought her goal was delusional, but I couldn’t blame her for wanting to try.

416 RadicalModerate  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:40:21am

re: #404 leftynyc

I see they’re off to a roaring start:

huffingtonpost.com

Four rings and an asterisk? I think that one’s gonna stick around forever.

417 leftynyc  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:41:19am

re: #416 RadicalModerate

Four rings and an asterisk? I think that one’s gonna stick around forever.

LOL - It was 5 snowflakes that were supposed to turn into the rings. Only 4 made it.

418 A Mom Anon  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:41:24am

re: #336 FemNaziBitch

I like Accupedo, it’s a pedometer app. I walk a lot so it fits my needs just fine. I had the MyFitness thing for awhile but I don’t really feel like entering everything I eat all day long into it. Using Accupedo and a big old doggie for a walking buddy, I’ve lost 17 lbs since July and have walked somewhere in the neighborhood of 2 million steps.

419 freetoken  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:45:19am

Saletan declares:

The Impotence of Creationism

[…]

Nye portrayed creationism as a cancer. Each time he spoke, he closed with the same warning: Creationism threatens technology, innovation, and prosperity. He insisted that you can’t do good science or run a successful society while maintaining a distinction between real, experimental science and mythical “historical science.” At one point, he showed a satellite image of the National Zoo in Washington, D.C. “That capability,” he said of the satellite, 𠇌omes from our fundamental understanding of gravity, of material science, of physics and life science.”

Actually, no. It doesn’t. You can be a perfectly good satellite engineer while believing total nonsense about the origins of life. That doesn’t mean we should teach creationism in schools or pretend it’s a scientific theory. But it does mean we can live with it as a compartmentalized fetish. Believe whatever you want to about monkeys, Noah, and the Garden of Eden. Just don’t let it mess with your day job.

While I agree that Nye overplayed the impact of creationism on the job of being an engineer, what Saletan has missed is that creationism is “messing” with contemporary American politics and social structure.

Why all these anti-abortion bills? Why the hysteria over anything having to do with core education requirements? Why the delusions about Obama being a Muslim?

All these things sprout from that worldview to which creationism is attached, which Saletan has overly compartmentalized.

420 austin_blue  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:47:08am

re: #396 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not seeing very much on this yet. Bits I’ve been able to find indicate the plane was from Ukraine, hijacker wanted to divert it to Sochi.

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Hmmm…The Ukraine is north and east of the Black Sea. Sochi is on the east coast of the Black Sea. Istanbul is several hundred to the west. Hmmm…

421 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:48:19am

re: #343 CuriousLurker

>OT Drive-by: If you haven’t seen it, catch it while you can. BBL

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Ok, This was very kewl!

422 The War TARDIS  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:48:49am

re: #383 Justanotherhuman

Time to crack down on the Serbs.

423 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:49:59am

re: #360 Romantic Heretic

Well, most groups seeking power aren’t planning on erecting guillotines or forcibly relocating large swathes of the population. The GOP, as currently constituted, would have no problem doing any of these things if it got them power.

Why did you pull out the MBF?

MBF?

pull out of what?

424 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:52:51am

re: #394 freetoken

In the big picture most of the personalities in our headlines today don’t really matter.

I’m trying to step away from the immediate and get a picture of what is happening on the large scale (geographically and temporally).

There’s no doubt that as we have grown in population the US has become a bit more diverse ethnically, religiously. I wonder if our relative (to other places in the world, like Sarajevo) societal harmony will be upended by some significant economic shock.

Other than our propensity to interpersonal gun violence, the US today for a large nation is rather well behaved. But we’re still on the long trajectory of centuries of “growth” (yes, at the cost of the previous inhabitants and the ecosystem at large). This has given us that American optimism which even outsiders have noticed.

What would happen if we entered a time of difficulty of greater magnitude than the Great Depression?

I’m old enough that I might die before the US changes as significantly as it has the past 5 decades of my life. But if you are young, I think it is worth pondering what life might be like in the US in the year 2064, then try to identify what assumptions went into those ponderations.

I’d ask that you factor in some stats regarding human trafficking and domestic partner deaths.

We aren’t so well behaved, we can just afford to look that way.

425 CuriousLurker  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:56:24am

re: #415 ramex

Concerning this whole swastika thing, I was wondering if the background and politics of the person using the swastika matter at all when it comes to the person displaying it.
I worked for a fashion designer in West Hollywood who used the swastika in a few of her designs. She was the daughter of a survivor and a peace activist. When I worked there she wanted us to wear her designs. I did, but nothing with a swastika, and explained I found it disgusting. She said she was trying to reclaim the symbol and restore it to its original pre-Nazi meaning. I told her that for me it was too soon, and maybe in a couple thousand years the de-vilifying campaign might be worth running. I thought her goal was delusional, but I couldn’t blame her for wanting to try.

I agree, I think it is WAY too soon and her goal was delusional.

My first question would’ve been “Why? Why is it important to you to that this particular symbol be reclaimed?” I’m certainly no expert on Judaica, but I’m not aware of any deep or important (positive) connection between Jewish culture or religion and the swastika, so it seems like a rather bizarre windmill to tilt at.

426 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 10:00:59am

re: #425 CuriousLurker

I agree, I think it is WAY too soon and her goal was delusional.

My first question would’ve been “Why? Why is it important to you to that this particular symbol be reclaimed?” I’m certainly no expert on Judaica, but I’m not aware of any deep or important (positive) connection between Jewish culture or religion and the swastika, so it seems like a rather bizarre windmill to tilt at.

I hope we never come to the point that we don’t associate that symbol with the evils it currently represents.

427 The War TARDIS  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 10:06:11am

re: #424 FemNaziBitch

Actually, in terms of Human Trafficking, we are a leader in trying to stamp it out.

The ‘3P Anti-trafficking Policy Index’ measures the effectiveness of government policies to fight human trafficking based on an evaluation of policy requirements prescribed by the United Nations Protocol to Prevent, Suppress and Punish Trafficking in Persons, especially Women and Children (2000).[38]

The policy level is evaluated using a five-point scale, where a score of five indicates the best policy practice, while score 1 is the worst. This scale is used to analyze the main three anti-trafficking policy areas: (i) prosecuting (criminalizing) traffickers, (ii) protecting victims, and (iii) preventing the crime of human trafficking. Each sub-index of prosecution, protection and prevention is aggregated to the overall index with an unweighted sum, with the overall index ranging from a score of 3 (worst) to 15 (best). It is available for up to 177 countries over the 2000-2009 period (on an annual basis).

The outcome of the Index shows that anti-trafficking policy has overall improved over the 2000-2009 period. Improvement is most prevalent in the prosecution and prevention areas worldwide. An exception is protection policy, which shows a modest deterioration in recent years.
In 2009 (the most recent year of the evaluation), seven countries demonstrate the highest possible performance in policies for all three dimensions (overall score 15). These countries are Germany, Australia, the Netherlands, Italy, Belgium, Sweden and the US. The second best performing group (overall score 14) consists of France, Norway, South Korea, Croatia, Canada, Austria, Slovenia and Nigeria. The worst performing country in 2009 was North Korea, receiving the lowest score in all dimensions (overall score 3), followed by Somalia. For more information view the Human Trafficking Research and Measurement website.

428 darthstar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 10:07:10am

re: #404 leftynyc

I see they’re off to a roaring start:

huffingtonpost.com

This is why I don’t like hiring Russian QA engineers (and yet I have three of them).

429 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 10:12:08am

re: #427 The War TARDIS

Actually, in terms of Human Trafficking, we are a leader in trying to stamp it out.

Yet, we are something like #2 in that stats for the number of trafficked human beings. There is a lot of money to be made in human trafficking, like the War on Drugs, I don’t have great hopes.

Yes, I am very cynical about this.

430 CuriousLurker  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 10:12:09am

re: #426 FemNaziBitch

I hope we never come to the point that we don’t associate that symbol with the evils it currently represents.

It’s unfortunate that a symbol used in a largely positive way by various cultures was poisoned by its Nazi appropriation, nonetheless I suspect the stink of abject evil they left on it will never entirely dissipate.

431 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 10:12:59am

re: #430 CuriousLurker

It’s unfortunate that a symbol used in a largely positive way by various cultures was poisoned by its Nazi appropriation, nonetheless I suspect the stink of abject evil they left on it will never entirely dissipate.

NEVER FORGET

432 The War TARDIS  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 10:29:01am

re: #429 FemNaziBitch

We are also the 3rd largest nation on the planet in population.

Any issue we have here will be magnified by the high population of the US.

Seriously, this is one area where we are doing reasonable well. Actually, more than reasonably. We are ranked right beside Sweden.

433 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 10:38:28am

re: #432 The War TARDIS

We are also the 3rd largest nation on the planet in population.

Any issue we have here will be magnified by the high population of the US.

Seriously, this is one area where we are doing reasonable well. Actually, more than reasonably. We are ranked right beside Sweden.

Ya know, we fought a war and amended our Constitution over this issue.

I think our performance is abysmal.

434 BeenHereAwhile  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 11:04:13am

re: #91 austin_blue

Given our discussion, there is no real closure. Drugs are drugs. Humans like them. Some more than others. Some humans are addictive, some not. Some humans who are not addictive encounter drugs that can be immediately lethal.

And that is a real tragedy. First curiosity? Bang. Dead.

It’s been my experience that overdoses can also occur when someone has kicked the habit for a while, and then wants another taste.

Their body has lost its tolerance for the opiate, and what’s purchased on the street is of unknown quality and quantity.

So if an overdose occcurs and they’re alone with no-one to slap them awake and walk them around; they nod off, and don’t wake up.

435 chadu  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 11:39:13am

re: #224 b.d.

I didn’t think real secrets involved building an entire multimedia presentation around?

You’re wrong because shut up.


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