1 freetoken  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 3:24:43pm

Brought this up a couple of days ago, but now there is a story with more detail:

Missouri lawmaker wants to make evolution teaching optional

A lawmaker from Cass County believes the Missouri General Assembly should allow parents to opt out of evolution teaching to their children.

Second-term Rep. Rick Brattin, R-Harrisonville, said his bill is an attempt to address his concern about teaching evolution in a way that is more palatable to lawmakers than his last three unsuccessful efforts. The previous efforts would have mandated *how* schools teach evolution, requiring that it be taught alongside a biblical perspective referred to as intelligent design or creationism. This year’s effort keeps the curriculum as-is and uses the language of “choice.”

“What my bill would do is it would allow parents to opt out of natural selection teaching,” Brattin explained. “It would not prohibit the child from going through biology from learning about cell structure, DNA and the building blocks of life.”

[…]

“I definitely think parents should be notified if evolution is taught because I believe in creation,” said Drexel resident Tina Decavale.

[…]

Not all school districts in Missouri teach evolution. The state Department of Secondary and Elementary Education does not require it. That is up to each locally elected school board.

Watch the video, and note how the TV news program casts the issue. Yeah, real “journalism”.

2 Lidane  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 3:29:15pm

re: #1 freetoken

Missouri lawmaker wants to make evolution teaching optional.

LEARNING SCIENCE SHOULDN’T BE OPTIONAL.

*ahem*

These fanatics need to get over it. There is no “controversy” over evolution. The science speaks for itself. Creationism is just religious nuttery that has no basis in reality. Accepting Creationism as true requires rejecting entire branches of modern science. Kids need to learn REAL science and real information. That means evolution. Anything else is a disservice to them.

3 jaunte  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 3:29:36pm

385 lb baby “Duncan” born in Houston this morning

4 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 3:32:16pm

“I definitely think parents should be notified if evolution is taught because I believe in creation,” said Drexel resident Tina Decavale.”

Hey, a lot of kids want ponies, too, but they don’t get them.

These people need to get over their “beliefs” and let science explain how they got here. They go to church—let them confuse their kids there.

Tired of all this adolescent poutrage over science being taught as it should be in the public schools.

5 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 3:32:58pm

re: #1 freetoken

Brought this up a couple of days ago, but now there is a story with more detail:

Missouri lawmaker wants to make evolution teaching optional

>Watch the video, and note how the TV news program casts the issue. Yeah, real “journalism”.

Evolution. Like sex ed class. You can opt-out. Murica.

6 austin_blue  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 3:33:06pm

re: #1 freetoken

Brought this up a couple of days ago, but now there is a story with more detail:

Missouri lawmaker wants to make evolution teaching optional

>Watch the video, and note how the TV news program casts the issue. Yeah, real “journalism”.

“So, you want to opt out for teaching evolution to your kids? Not a problem, ma’am. Just sign here…good, and also sign here. What is it? It’s just a promise, on the forfeiture of your immortal soul, that you limit your kids antibiotic use to penicillin. I mean, since evolution is not a fact, then what killed a staph infection in 1945 *must* kill it today, right?”

7 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 3:33:27pm

re: #5 Gus

Evolution. Like sex ed class. You can opt-out. Murica.

Because if kids learn about evolution, they might go out and try to practice it!

///

8 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 3:35:05pm

I already know one place I won’t be dining if I’m ever in Enid, Oklahoma (and I have no reason to ever go).
Oklahoma Restaurant Won’t Serve “Freaks,” “Faggots,” or the Disabled (Gawker)

9 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 3:37:07pm

re: #7 Targetpractice

Because if kids learn about evolution, they might go out and try to practice it!

///

I believe they shouldn’t teach evolution because “I believe in creation!” Yeah, I’m sure he believes in every single thing that’s in the bible. Oops, wait, nope.

10 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 3:37:20pm

re: #8 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I already know one place I won’t be dining if I’m ever in Enid, Oklahoma (and I have no reason to ever go).
Oklahoma Restaurant Won’t Serve “Freaks,” “Faggots,” or the Disabled (Gawker)

I give him 30 more days of operation.

11 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 3:38:36pm

re: #2 Lidane

LEARNING SCIENCE SHOULDN’T BE OPTIONAL.

*ahem*

These fanatics need to get over it. There is no “controversy” over evolution. The science speaks for itself. Creationism is just religious nuttery that has no basis in reality. Accepting Creationism as true requires rejecting entire branches of modern science. Kids need to learn REAL science and real information. That means evolution. Anything else is a disservice to them.

And if some parents want to avoid topics that might cause Dick and Jane to lose their faith, they’re going to have to homeschool. Because otherwise they’ll eventually run into some science or literature that’s going to contradict their fundamentalist interpretations of their One Book.

12 abolitionist  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 3:38:42pm

re: #10 Justanotherhuman

I give him 30 more days of operation.

You are generous.

13 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 3:39:10pm

Missouri: The Show Me State*

14 jaunte  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 3:39:46pm

re: #13 Gus

Missouri: The Show Me State*

Now the “Observational Science” State.

15 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 3:39:48pm

If it’s not in the bibble I don’t want mah children learnin’ it.

16 austin_blue  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 3:42:03pm

re: #10 Justanotherhuman

I give him 30 more days of operation.

In Enid? He’ll do just fine. He’s apparently been selling the “Faggot Free Zone” t-shirts for quite a while and he is still alive and kicking, for pities sake.

It ain’t Austin, and that’s a fact.

17 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 3:42:15pm

Yeah, Russia is funny. Hardy har, har.

18 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 3:43:28pm

A country in which evolution and a boatload of other science is controversial thinks other countries “are funny.”

19 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 3:44:01pm

re: #16 austin_blue

Yeah, those shirts that he apparently wears with pride. Slags on teh gheys, teh disabled, teh poors and “the freaks,” whoever they are. Apparently he made no mention of teh wimmins, but probably because the interview was too short.

20 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 3:48:09pm

Isn’t Spastic Tubes running again in Missouri?

21 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 3:48:53pm
22 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 3:49:21pm

Maybe not. Todd “Legitimate Rape” Akin.

23 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 3:50:16pm

Americans that are dead set on Genesis and creation should also follow the rest of the bible to the letter.

24 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 3:51:05pm

re: #1 freetoken

Brought this up a couple of days ago, but now there is a story with more detail:

Missouri lawmaker wants to make evolution teaching optional

>Watch the video, and note how the TV news program casts the issue. Yeah, real “journalism”.

Oy.

25 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 3:52:02pm

re: #23 Gus

Americans that are dead set on Genesis and creation should also follow the rest of the bible to the letter.

Even the Peter Gabriel stuff?

Youtube Video

26 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 3:54:17pm
27 austin_blue  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 3:55:54pm

re: #25 Feline Fearless Leader

Even the Peter Gabriel stuff?

[Embedded content]

Yes, because Gabriel’s in there, too. But not Rutherford. They can skip Mike and the Mechanics.

28 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 3:56:01pm

29 psddluva4evah  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 3:59:28pm

Surprise surprise…not. The Christie camp, after being widely panned for that leaked “high school” memo to Politico are now saying they knew nothing about it.

How does this make Christie look better? So random folks are leaking memos to Politico from his office and once again he knows nothing?

What the heck kinda ship is he running?

Politico’s Sources Insist Christie Knew Nothing About ‘High School’ Memo

30 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:02:35pm

As old as I am, I was taught evolution in southern schools.

What is going on in this country now is a fucking disgrace. Separation of church and state is under real attack; the religious right is chipping away at it just as they are women’s rights, minority rights, LGBT rights.

Religion is not sacrosanct. None of it is, IMHO. Practice it if you wish, but don’t demand that the state do it by denying science or any other subject your religion clashes with.

31 Lidane  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:05:09pm

Wheee!

32 freetoken  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:05:45pm

Science denial aside, I’ve got to wonder what else is f*cked in these United States.

We can laud the good Samaritan, but that ignores the bigger question of WTF are Texas schools feeding their children:

Good Samaritan pays off children’s lunch balances

After hearing last week that dozens of Utah students had their school lunches taken because their accounts were delinquent, a Texas man decided to help students in similar situations near him.

Kenny Thompson, a 52-year-old mentor and tutor at Valley Oaks Elementary School in Houston, did some research and learned that children at the school where he works were receiving cold cheese sandwiches or peanut butter and jelly sandwiches instead of full trays of food because they had negative balances on their lunch accounts.

These were children whose parents couldn’t afford the 40 cents per day fee, so Thompson took $465 and paid off the delinquent accounts of 60 children, KPRC television reports.

[…]

Some children were avoiding the lunch line because they were embarrassed to be seen in front of their school mates receiving the more inferior lunch, he told TODAY.com.

[…]


Here you poor bastard, here’s your cold piece of surplus cheese.

33 freetoken  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:07:37pm

I just don’t understand that. When I went to school, many many years ago, we had hot lunches. We all got the same thing (or perhaps a choice of two entrees).

Perhaps I lived in an extraordinarily civilized state in this nation, but are Texas schools really intent on segregating children based on whether they can pay for a lunch?

34 austin_blue  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:08:04pm

re: #31 Lidane

Wheee!

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If they want to see what’s ending the two party system, they need to spend a little face time in front of the bathroom mirror.

35 EPR-radar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:09:01pm

re: #33 freetoken

I just don’t understand that. When I went to school, many many years ago, we had hot lunches. We all got the same thing (or perhaps a choice of two entrees).

Perhaps I lived in an extraordinarily civilized state in this nation, but are Texas schools really intent on segregating children based on whether they can pay for a lunch?

Evidently, it is important that the poors learn their place in life early on.

To the ninth circle of Hell with that shit.

36 TedStriker  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:09:28pm

re: #8 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I already know one place I won’t be dining if I’m ever in Enid, Oklahoma (and I have no reason to ever go).
Oklahoma Restaurant Won’t Serve “Freaks,” “Faggots,” or the Disabled (Gawker)

Saw this GIF in the Gawker posts on this and thought that it sums up my feeling towards this “job creator” (it was too big to upload here, so I had to hotlink it):
Here’s to you, Gary James…

37 freetoken  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:10:05pm

re: #26 Gus

FOOD WAFER FIGHT!!

38 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:10:43pm

re: #7 Targetpractice

Because if kids learn about evolution, they might go out and try to practice it!

///

I cry every day because my kids went to the dark side and evolved.

39 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:11:19pm

re: #32 freetoken

Plenty else.

“These are elementary school kids - they don’t need to be worried about finances,” Thompson told KPRC. “They need to be worried about what grade they got in spelling.”

And whether or not they’re being taught at all. It’s Texas…and the Texas Board of Education.

nytimes.com

40 abolitionist  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:12:29pm

re: #38 b_sharp

I cry every day because my kids went to the dark side and evolved.

If evolution is real, why are we still human? /

41 austin_blue  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:12:41pm

re: #36 TedStriker

Saw this GIF in the Gawker posts on this and thought that it sums up my feeling towards this “job creator” (it was too big to upload here, so I had to hotlink it):
Here’s to you, Gary James…

You realize he’ll co-opt that, right? That is the “man’s” attitude in spades. He’ll proudly display it.

42 EPR-radar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:12:51pm

re: #26 Gus

Ken Ham is deathly afraid of admitting that all religious believers (Ham and the rest of the literalists most definitely included) pick and choose what they believe from among what is available in their respective religious traditions.

Ham incorrectly thinks that literalism is the way to avoid this.

43 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:13:25pm

re: #40 abolitionist

If evolution is real, why are we still human? /

What’s this “we” business, ape?

//

44 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:13:40pm

re: #40 abolitionist

If evolution is real, why are we still human? /

Well, truth be told, some here are obviously alien.

45 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:14:11pm


It’s a horrific misogynistic diatribe from one of D_F’s favorites, Kevin D. Williamson.

46 freetoken  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:15:10pm

Huckabee tries to dig himself out:

Huckabee explains meaning of ‘libido’

[…]

“If the Democrats want to insult the women of America by making them believe that they are helpless without ‘Uncle Sugar’ coming in and providing for them a prescription each month for birth control because they cannot control their libido or reproductive system without the help of the government, so be it,” he said at a luncheon address to the Republican National Committee’s winter meeting in Washington

Huckabee told Cavuto that he wouldn’t take back his libido comments.

[…]

47 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:15:32pm

re: #43 Targetpractice

What’s this “we” business, ape?

//

Youtube Video

48 austin_blue  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:15:59pm

re: #44 b_sharp

Well, truth be told, some here are obviously alien.

I have no idea what you are talking..

Zork! Dammit, boy, quit levitating your little sister!

49 Lidane  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:16:36pm

re: #33 freetoken

I just don’t understand that. When I went to school, many many years ago, we had hot lunches. We all got the same thing (or perhaps a choice of two entrees).

Perhaps I lived in an extraordinarily civilized state in this nation, but are Texas schools really intent on segregating children based on whether they can pay for a lunch?

The cold sandwiches and PB&Js are for teh poorz. The kids that can pay get the hot lunches.

There were a few times back in grade school where I’d forgotten my lunch money and had to go to the office and get a lunch voucher. That voucher would get you a truly awful PB&J on dry bread and a carton of milk. The district wanted to save money so they used really cheap ingredients, and it showed.

50 Tigger2  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:16:51pm

re: #8 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I already know one place I won’t be dining if I’m ever in Enid, Oklahoma (and I have no reason to ever go).
Oklahoma Restaurant Won’t Serve “Freaks,” “Faggots,” or the Disabled (Gawker)

No Freaks, well Teabaggers stay out.

51 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:19:04pm

re: #50 Tigger2

No Freaks, well Teabaggers stay out.

Most of them wouldn’t be welcomed in their hover rounds anyway.

52 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:19:30pm
53 Tigger2  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:19:33pm

re: #51 Justanotherhuman

Most of them wouldn’t be welcomed in their hover rounds anyway.

lol

54 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:20:26pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

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“Good God, who bodged this code together?! Oh wait, I did.”

55 EPR-radar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:23:33pm

re: #45 wrenchwench

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It’s a horrific misogynistic diatribe from one of D_F’s favorites, Kevin D. Williamson.

Too true. Near the end, we have the following supernova of projection applied to the straw man “Feminism” he attacks throughout this piece:

The constant posture of wounded outrage — outrage that can only be salved with a ritual offering to the great “I Want!” — makes one poorly suited for the actual business of responsible governance, which is by necessity an exercise in prudent negotiation and compromise.

For my part, I think the quoted description is very accurately applicable to the entire conservative movement, especially the Teabagger fanatics.

56 Varek Raith  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:23:35pm

re: #54 Targetpractice

“Good God, who bodged this code together?! Oh wait, I did.”

Oy, don’t remind me.

57 Tigger2  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:23:51pm

Must have been a slow outrage day (teabaggers take a break) not many new threads today.

58 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:23:54pm

re: #54 Targetpractice

“Good God, who bodged this code together?! Oh wait, I did.”

Common experience.

59 Varek Raith  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:24:36pm

lol.

60 The War TARDIS  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:24:55pm

re: #36 TedStriker

Meanwhile, another story from Gawker

Bank of America Sends Credit Card Offer to “Lisa Is a Slut McIntire”

On Thursday, freelance writer Lisa McIntire’s mother received a credit card offer from Bank of America sort of addressed to her daughter. There was one tiny difference, though, in the name; instead of Lisa McIntire, the letter was addressed to a “Lisa Is a Slut McIntire.”

McIntire’s mother contacted her daughter via text and then sent a series of photos. McIntire, of course, was slightly disturbed and took to Twitter to share the unusual junk mail.

How does this happen?

61 Varek Raith  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:25:42pm

Charles Payne: Movie Villain “Looks A Little Bit Like Mitt Romney”
IT’S A FUCKING LEGOMAN.
XD

62 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:26:41pm

re: #61 Varek Raith

Charles Payne: Movie Villain “Looks A Little Bit Like Mitt Romney”
IT’S A FUCKING LEGOMAN.
XD

Looks more like Billy Idol to me.

63 Varek Raith  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:26:45pm

Hi, I’m Mitt Romney.
Image: 1-lego-man-torch.jpg

64 Varek Raith  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:27:07pm

That made my day.

65 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:27:25pm

re: #49 Lidane

The cold sandwiches and PB&Js are for teh poorz. The kids that can pay get the hot lunches.

There were a few times back in grade school where I’d forgotten my lunch money and had to go to the office and get a lunch voucher. That voucher would get you a truly awful PB&J on dry bread and a carton of milk. The district wanted to save money so they used really cheap ingredients, and it showed.

I still say lunches should be included in the school budget. Don’t charge kids anything. It’ll come out of tax monies, just as it should and every kid gets fed. Schools are an integral part of the community—whatever happened to that kind of spirit, where people worked toward a common good for the entire community? Oh right. It’s all about “you’re on your own”—Tea Party/Libertarian Republicans happened.

They don’t understand the difference between an educated, well taken care of individual who can contribute as a part of the whole, and the selfish individualist who doesn’t give a shit about anyone but himself.

66 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:28:09pm

re: #61 Varek Raith

Charles Payne: Movie Villain “Looks A Little Bit Like Mitt Romney”
IT’S A FUCKING LEGOMAN.
XD

Can’t be like Mitt. Shows too much emotion and empathy.
/

67 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:28:20pm

So, when Mr. Peabody and Sherman opens here, I may have to go see it. From what I’m reading, it’s getting some very good reviews.

rottentomatoes.com

68 Tigger2  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:28:41pm

re: #61 Varek Raith

Charles Payne: Movie Villain “Looks A Little Bit Like Mitt Romney”
IT’S A FUCKING LEGOMAN.
XD

Fox News host are lunatics.

69 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:29:28pm

Almost time for the annual clown show.

70 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:29:58pm

Clown People Against Civilization

71 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:30:56pm

re: #69 Gus

Almost time for the annual clown show.

The GOP primaries are beginning soon?

72 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:30:56pm

re: #65 Justanotherhuman

I still say lunches should be included in the school budget. Don’t charge kids anything. It’ll come out of tax monies, just as it should and every kid gets fed. Schools are an integral part of the community—whatever happened to that kind of spirit, where people worked toward a common good for the entire community? Oh right. It’s all about “you’re on your own”—Tea Party/Libertarian Republicans happened.

They don’t understand the difference between an educated, well taken care of individual who can contribute as a part of the whole, and the selfish individualist who doesn’t give a shit about anyone but himself.

Brains don’t develop fully if the kids are chronically hungry.

73 freetoken  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:31:14pm

I missed this from yesterday:

House panel approves bill that shields Kansans who refuse to serve same-sex couples on religious grounds

The Kansas House will move forward with a bill that would give government employees the right to refuse service to same-sex couples on the basis of their religious beliefs.

Republican supporters of House Bill 2453 say the bill concerns religious liberty. Democratic opponents said the bill unfairly targets gay Kansans. The two sides talked circles around each other Thursday at a meeting of the House Committee on Federal and State Affairs.

Passages from the Kansas Bill of Rights were read, allusions to the Pilgrims fleeing religious persecution were made, and surreal hypothetical questions were posed by each side. In the end, the bill passed through committee and will now head to the floor for a vote in the near future.

Gov. Sam Brownback said that he has yet to read the bill, but called himself a “strong proponent and supporter for religious liberty.”

“Religious liberty issues are ones that I’ve been around for a long time. … I’ve fought for religious liberty in many countries and with many different faiths,” Brownback said. “It’s basic in the Bill of Rights.”

The bill was drafted in reaction to federal court rulings overturning same-sex marriage bans in other states, said Rep. Steve Brunk, R-Wichita, the committee’s chairman. In 2005, Kansas voters overwhelmingly approved an amendment to the state constitution to ban gay marriage.

The scope of the bill introduced by Rep. Charles Macheers, R-Shawnee has been hotly debated. The bill goes further than past legislation concerning same-sex marriage because it extends to private businesses as well as government employees.

If the bill becomes law, public and private employees alike could refuse service to same-sex couples based on their religious beliefs concerning marriage. Because religion is a protected status, the employer could not terminate the employee for this refusal. The law would also shield private businesses from discrimination lawsuits.

A provision requires government agencies to still provide the requested service, but individual clerks could object to signing a marriage license, for example. Rep. Travis Couture-Lovelady, R-Palco, introduced an amendment, which passed, that would exempt private businesses from the same legal obligation.

[…]

Brunk pushed back against criticisms that the bill would violate the rights of some Kansans by allowing government employees to discriminate against them.

“So if somebody is employed by a governmental entity as opposed to a private entity, do they no longer have very, very basic religious protections?” he asked. “I mean that’s fundamental within our constitution.”

Though he said the bill was in response to federal court rulings, Brunk denied that the bill targets same-sex couples specifically.

[…]

Rep. Allan Rothlisberg, R-Garden Plaza, invoked the image of the Pilgrims fleeing Europe. Rep. Willie Dove, R-Bonner Springs, said religious freedom was in “jeopardy” and compared the situation to racial discrimination.

Witt pointed out that under current Kansas law, churches are exempt from performing same-sex weddings and businesses are already free to refuse service, as sexual orientation is not protected under the state’s anti-discrimination law. He said this bill doesn’t change that.

What it would do, however, is give government employees the right to exclude gay couples even if the courts rule same-sex marriage to be legal, he argued.

Not a lawyer, but I’ve got to believe a court would strike this down as discrimination. A government employee cannot on their own accord interpret their service to discriminate against certain people.

The Kansas theocrats just want segregation, plain and simple, for gay people in their state.

74 EPR-radar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:31:56pm

re: #72 b_sharp

Brains don’t develop fully if the kids are chronically hungry.

You say that as if it is a problem rather than a feature.

75 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:32:30pm

re: #74 EPR-radar

You say that as if it is a problem rather than a feature.

I haz a sad.

76 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:33:41pm

re: #71 Targetpractice

The GOP primaries are beginning soon?

Clown
People
Against
Civilization

77 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:33:50pm

re: #73 freetoken

I missed this from yesterday:

House panel approves bill that shields Kansans who refuse to serve same-sex couples on religious grounds

Not a lawyer, but I’ve got to believe a court would strike this down as discrimination. A government employee cannot on their own accord interpret their service to discriminate against certain people.

The Kansas theocrats just want segregation, plain and simple, for gay people in their state.

You don’t want to honor people’s rights guaranteed by the Constitution?

Then don’t work for the fucking government, you idiots.

78 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:34:39pm

re: #76 Gus

>Clown
>People
>Against
>Civilization

Yeah, I hit the post button just after you posted that.

I wonder what this year’s theme is. “Gimme That Ol’ Time Misogyny”?

79 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:35:10pm

re: #73 freetoken

Rep. Allan Rothlisberg, R-Garden Plaza, invoked the image of the Pilgrims fleeing Europe.

If only our religious bigots could think of someplace to flee to….

80 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:35:25pm

Back in wingnut dream world.

81 EPR-radar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:35:27pm

re: #77 Justanotherhuman

You don’t want to honor people’s rights guaranteed by the Constitution?

Then don’t work for the fucking government, you idiots.

That’s not enough. Apparently this bill would give this stupid ‘religious freedom’ to all employees, both public sector and private sector.

82 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:36:06pm

re: #78 Targetpractice

Yeah, I hit the post button just after you posted that.

I wonder what this year’s theme is. “Gimme That Ol’ Time Misogyny”?

Looking that way.

Hillary, doncha know.

83 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:36:11pm

re: #81 EPR-radar

That’s not enough. Apparently this bill would give this stupid ‘religious freedom’ to all employees, both public sector and private sector.

So, what’s the LGBT version of Jim Crow?

84 Tigger2  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:37:31pm

re: #83 Targetpractice

So, what’s the LGBT version of Jim Crow?

Jill Crow, //

85 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:38:03pm

re: #55 EPR-radar

Too true. Near the end, we have the following supernova of projection applied to the straw man “Feminism” he attacks throughout this piece:

For my part, I think the quoted description is very accurately applicable to the entire conservative movement, especially the Teabagger fanatics.

I don’t know whether Williamson is married, but I get the impression his wife said she WANTed an orgasm or something last night.

86 EPR-radar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:38:49pm

re: #83 Targetpractice

So, what’s the LGBT version of Jim Crow?

Kansas apparently wants to find out.

Less flippantly, GLBT people can usually pass, so the issues are different. The Kansas GOP just wants to have open season, up to and including murders that don’t get prosecuted, for any non-straight person who is out of the closet.

Just like the good old days. ///

87 freetoken  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:39:08pm

Also from yesterday, WaPo concludes the obvious:

The 19 most religious states all voted for Mitt Romney in 2012

How religious you consider yourself is a remarkably accurate predictor of which party’s presidential candidate you will vote for.


That fact was affirmed this week when Gallup released a 50-state study of the most and least religious states in the country. We took the data — which GovBeat wrote about here — and overlaid it with the 2012 presidential election results. Here’s what we found.

The 19 most religious states — ranked by Gallup as those who identify as “very religious” — all went for former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney in 2012. (Romney won 24 total states.) In those 19 states, President Obama averaged 39 percent of the vote.

[…]

88 TedStriker  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:41:30pm

re: #65 Justanotherhuman

I still say lunches should be included in the school budget. Don’t charge kids anything. It’ll come out of tax monies, just as it should and every kid gets fed. Schools are an integral part of the community—whatever happened to that kind of spirit, where people worked toward a common good for the entire community? Oh right. It’s all about “you’re on your own”—Tea Party/Libertarian Republicans happened.

They don’t understand the difference between an educated, well taken care of individual who can contribute as a part of the whole, and the selfish individualist who doesn’t give a shit about anyone but himself.

Sure they do, but they just don’t give a damn but themselves, because “fuck you, I’ve got mine!”

89 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:43:18pm

re: #81 EPR-radar

That’s not enough. Apparently this bill would give this stupid ‘religious freedom’ to all employees, both public sector and private sector.

Their religious freedom stops where my rights are violated.

There is settled law already in housing, employment. I repeat, if your religion says one thing and the law another, your religion loses.

This would be an awful precedent if everyone whose religions had discriminatory strictures against certain practices were allowed to invoke those in their daily lives.

If your religion tells you not to eat certain kinds of food, you have the right to run your restaurant that way. But if your religion tells you that Chinese cannot eat in it, that’s an entirely different matter.

90 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:47:03pm
91 freetoken  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:48:17pm

Idaho, competing with Kansas:


House panel keeps religious freedom bill alive

Idaho’s Capitol on Wednesday was again the focus of frustration among gay rights activists as lawmakers kept alive a bill that Republican religious conservatives argue is necessary to protect businesses from being forced to serve customers whose lifestyles offend their faith traditions.

The House State Affairs Committee’s 11-5 vote to send the bill to the floor came two days after 44 gay rights activists were arrested for barring entry to the state Senate. More than 500 people, nearly all foes of the bill, showed up.

Dozens who testified during the 3 1/2 hour hearing said they wanted it killed on the grounds that it enshrines discrimination in Idaho law.

However, Republican lawmakers on the panel said they favored the bill to expand an existing 14-year-old Idaho law, making it tougher to sue people who cite their religious faith for not serving, among others, gay and lesbian customers.

“If a person is being burdened in their free exercise of religion… they should have the ability to raise that as a defense,” said Rep. Lynn Luker, R-Boise and the sponsor.

Luker contends that his bill is necessary because existing Idaho law only helps protect religious people against lawsuits or claims filed by the government — not if they’re sued by individuals. He cited a lawsuit in New Mexico, where a lesbian couple sued a photographer after she refused to take pictures at their wedding, as an example of what could come to Idaho, if his bill isn’t passed.

All 11 lawmakers behind Luker’s bill were from the majority GOP.

Two Republicans, Reps. Kelly Packer of McCammon and Eric Anderson of Priest Lake, joined three Democrats against the bill.

[…]


One Republican on the Idaho committee, Rep. Ken Andrus from Lava Hot Springs, questioned why gays would want to be served by an anti-gay baker, anyway.

𠇍o you think the cake would be as good if he did it against his will, rather than if he did it of his own free will?” Andrus wondered aloud to Monica Hopkins, the director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Idaho.

“It’s not just the cake bakers,” Hopkins said, contending that Luker’s bill would also protect Christian Identity adherents who may oppose mixed-race couples. “This is the Pandora’s box.”

Only two people, both from the conservative Christian Cornerstone Family Council of Meridian, testified in favor.

[…]

Now, the bill is in the full House, where it could be amended before lawmakers hold a final vote to send it to the Senate.

Gives new meaning to “Let them eat cake!”

92 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:48:33pm

re: #89 Justanotherhuman

That last was a rather poor example because I doubt those yahoos in Kansas could tell a Chinese person from a Japanese. All Asians, like Black folks, probably look alike to them.

93 EPR-radar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:49:07pm

re: #45 wrenchwench

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It’s a horrific misogynistic diatribe from one of D_F’s favorites, Kevin D. Williamson.

God almighty, the comments at NRO on this drivel by Williamson are appalling.

For example

Kevin has gotten very good at this sort of intelligent knife-twisting.

Keep it up, man, I like my political fixes in this “salt in the wounds” style!

Whining about a straw man of one’s own making is neither intelligent nor it it especially effective knife-twisting.

94 freetoken  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:49:51pm

I hope it is so obvious that me pointing it out is redundant, but these “religious freedom” bills over serving gays are very similar to the “religious freedom” bills that would allow parents to opt children out of classes that teach evolution.

95 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:50:39pm

re: #91 freetoken

Idaho, competing with Kansas:

House panel keeps religious freedom bill alive

Gives new meaning to “Let them eat cake!”

It’s like watching states responding to Brown v. Board. “Quick, we gotta keep them from bein’ treated like normal folks!”

96 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:51:12pm
97 Lidane  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:52:13pm

re: #59 Varek Raith

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lol.

The fuck? REALLY? They’re getting bent out of shape over that?

It’s not anti-capitalist. If anything, the movie is about the conflict between being creative and just giving up and gluing all your LEGO pieces together to match the box art.

98 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:52:18pm

re: #94 freetoken

I hope it is so obvious that me pointing it out is redundant, but these “religious freedom” bills over serving gays are very similar to the “religious freedom” bills that would allow parents to opt children out of classes that teach evolution.

And the “religious freedom” that allows pharmacists to refuse to fill prescriptions for birth control/morning after pills. And doctors to refuse to perform an abortion in order to save the life of a mother.

99 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:52:38pm

re: #93 EPR-radar

God almighty, the comments at NRO on this drivel by Williamson are appalling.

For example

Whining about a straw man of one’s own making is neither intelligent nor it it especially effective knife-twisting.

Whose back is the knife in? Who has wounds to salt? Women, I guess.

100 kirkspencer  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:53:06pm

re: #72 b_sharp

Brains don’t develop fully if the kids are chronically hungry.

Even simpler. If you’re hungry you don’t care about math, english, social studies, …

101 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:54:02pm

re: #87 freetoken

Also from yesterday, WaPo concludes the obvious:

The 19 most religious states all voted for Mitt Romney in 2012

It’s funny that it shows NC as 50% very religious. Out of the approx 20 people who live in this little complex, I know of only 1 woman and her daughter who even go to church. And this is a very conservative county.

102 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:55:59pm

re: #100 kirkspencer

Even simpler. If you’re hungry you don’t care about math, english, social studies, …

Gov studies done (unethically) in the aboriginal residential schools show retarded brain development.

103 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:56:42pm

Wildlife Rescue | chipembele.org | Zambia

104 kirkspencer  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:56:52pm

re: #98 Targetpractice

And the “religious freedom” that allows pharmacists to refuse to fill prescriptions for birth control/morning after pills. And doctors to refuse to perform an abortion in order to save the life of a mother.

And the not-so-long ago religious freedom to not serve or hire or educate blacks or other minorities.

105 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:57:38pm

re: #54 Targetpractice

“Good God, who bodged this code together?! Oh wait, I did.”

Actually, not this time - this is a Javascript-based spell-checking script that uses a popup window and framesets, and some of the clunkiest Javascript I’ve seen in a long time.

It’s currently working in the LGF Spy pages, via the Spell Check button. I don’t even remember where I originally got this code, and the source files don’t have any credits in them.

I installed and set it up long ago, and never really tried to figure out how it all worked before, but I got interested to see how this kind of app was designed in the days before Ajax.

106 kirkspencer  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:58:20pm

re: #102 b_sharp

Gov studies done (unethically) in the aboriginal residential schools show retarded brain development.

Sorry, not trying to disagree. Supplementing by stating that even if it’s a relatively short-time hunger (like, say, unemployment or divorce) it still matters.

107 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:00:06pm
108 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:01:00pm

Wonder how the Christians would feel if a Jewish or Muslim business refused to let them patronize their business because they found Christianity “immoral.” That’s why it’s laughable whenever fucksticks like Bryan Fischer cry about Christian persecution in this country. No one is getting denied service, the right to marry, etc because they’re Christian. Meanwhile it’s socially acceptable in some parts of the country to discriminate against gays. If you think and most of the country even the right that it’s unacceptable to deny someone service or employment because of their race then you need to apply the same standard to sexual orientation. Sorry if your religion is anti-gay, you really shouldn’t be in the business of employing people. That kind of crap is far worse for the economy not to mention our country’s image as an arbitrator of human rights than ACA ever will be.

109 The War TARDIS  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:01:05pm

Hey Greenwald, where are you on this story?

Brazilian doctors convicted for removing, selling contraband organs to the United States

Two doctors have been sent to prison in Brazil for selling contraband organs to the United States as part of a suspected trafficking scheme, law enforcement officials said Friday.

The two men, Celso Roberto Scafi and Claudio Rogerio Carneiro Fernandes, are both urologists who practiced medicine in the southeastern state of Minas Gerais.

But officials allege they also were part of an organ-trafficking “mafia” in which kidneys, livers and other organs and body tissues were illegally removed from patients, some of whom were still alive, and sold.

110 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:01:32pm

re: #107 Gus

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Cutttttttttttte.

111 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:02:45pm
112 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:04:15pm

re: #104 kirkspencer

And the not-so-long ago religious freedom to not serve or hire or educate blacks or other minorities.

See, this is the kind of “reasoning”, substituting “personal preference” for public accommodation law, that gets the rightwing into trouble. It’s at the root of this “religious discrimination” BS.

volokh.com

Yes, you have the right to be a Nazi and get served, as much as you might be disdained for your views.

113 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:05:30pm

re: #106 kirkspencer

Sorry, not trying to disagree. Supplementing by stating that even if it’s a relatively short-time hunger (like, say, unemployment or divorce) it still matters.

Gotcha.

114 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:05:37pm
115 Stanley Sea  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:07:01pm

re: #107 Gus

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Remember the tortoise and the hippo after the tsunami?

116 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:07:20pm

“Sorry, I find Christianity to be immoral and a false religion so I can’t serve you.” There would be rightful outrage if such a story happened and the right would use it as proof that “anti-Christianity” is rampant and demand laws to prohibit it(there already exists such laws but remember these are the people who want ACORN defunded still) yet they want to do the same to gays and non-Christians and don’t see how that’s a violation of people’s freedom. Really call me naive but if you’re setting up a business, why on earth be purposefully exclusively. It’s not only wrong but it’s stupid business too.

117 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:08:10pm

re: #115 Stanley Sea

Remember the tortoise and the hippo after the tsunami?

118 Lidane  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:10:32pm

*cough*

119 122 Year Old Obama  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:11:11pm

re: #118 Lidane

So how long before he finally comes out of the closet?

120 austin_blue  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:11:54pm

re: #117 Gus

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I find miscegenation disturbing. No food for you two!

121 Stanley Sea  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:12:29pm

Thanks Gus! Im on my phone and it sucks!!

122 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:13:38pm
123 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:13:49pm

re: #118 Lidane

*cough*

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Could he get any more weird/creepy? He didn’t even say black people but black males. Really starting to think the jokes about him being a closet case may not be far off.

124 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:14:02pm

re: #121 Stanley Sea

Thanks Gus! Im on my phone and it sucks!!

YW!

125 austin_blue  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:14:15pm

re: #119 122 Year Old Obama

So how long before he finally comes out of the closet?

“I am *not* a gay man! I have a wide stance!”

126 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:15:14pm
127 EPR-radar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:15:52pm

re: #123 HappyWarrior

Could he get any more weird/creepy? He didn’t even say black people but black males. Really starting to think the jokes about him being a closet case may not be far off.

I think the only remaining question is what is x in the 99.x percent chance that Bryan Fischer is a self-loathing closet case.

128 bratwurst  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:16:52pm

I am already sick of NBC’s coverage of the Olympics after 45 minutes. There is a reason they are in last place among broadcast networks: they could ruin anything.

129 Lidane  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:17:57pm

re: #128 bratwurst

I am already sick of NBC’s coverage of the Olympics after 45 minutes. There is a reason they are in last place among broadcast networks: they could ruin anything.

I got bored five minutes into it.

130 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:18:48pm

re: #119 122 Year Old Obama

So how long before he finally comes out of the closet?

What I love about Fischer is how he tries to rationalize his bigotry against gay people by pointing out the anti-gay attitudes that exist in certain minority ethnic groups. I mean he acts like it’s somehow impossible here for a black male to be either gay or pro gay. Pretty funny since he tries to hope on the “I actually loved MLK” bandwagon that him and his fellow nutcases try to hope on given that MLK strongly defended a gay colleague, Bayard Rustin and Coretta Scott King announced support for SSM. Most pathetic thing he does though is when he tries to blame gays for the Holocaust. though. This was just plain weird and creepy.

131 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:19:15pm

re: #128 bratwurst

I am already sick of NBC’s coverage of the Olympics after 45 minutes. There is a reason they are in last place among broadcast networks: they could ruin anything.

It’s why I generally avoided coverage when they did the Summer Olympics, because some dipshit in command decided “Hey, lets delay coverage so that everybody else in the world knows what happened long before America does.”

132 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:19:36pm

re: #127 EPR-radar

I think the only remaining question is what is x in the 99.x percent chance that Bryan Fischer is a self-loathing closet case.

7? That’s a good number typically. Really who the hell answers a question like that. I mean even saying because I love black people wouldn’t have come off closet creepy gay guy.

133 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:20:24pm

500px.com

134 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:21:33pm

re: #133 Gus

500px.com

What, we have to go get our own now?!?

(Tx for sharing!)

135 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:21:47pm
136 EPR-radar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:22:19pm

re: #132 HappyWarrior

7? That’s a good number typically. Really who the hell answers a question like that. I mean even saying because I love black people wouldn’t have come off closet creepy gay guy.

It would be closer to reality as well. HIV/AIDS isn’t only a problem for black men. Black women get involved in that mess as well, especially in a global context.

137 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:22:22pm

re: #135 wrenchwench

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Love when the orange meets the blue. We haven’t had one of those in a while here.

138 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:22:59pm

re: #134 wrenchwench

What, we have to go get our own now?!?

(Tx for sharing!)

No. Still browsing.

139 austin_blue  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:23:24pm

re: #129 Lidane

I got bored five minutes into it.

That’s why She Who Must Be Obeyed and I are watching World War Z. Trash, but high-end trash.

140 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:23:49pm
141 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:24:34pm

re: #136 EPR-radar

It would be closer to reality as well. HIV/AIDS isn’t only a problem for black men. Black women get involved in that mess as well, especially in a global context.

Gets me to another point about the RR, I will never ever forgive Jesse Helms for labeling AIDS a gay disease. That guy was a monster. The right can harp on about KKK Robert Byrd all they want but Jesse Helms was a living symbol for how the Republican Party went from being the Party of Lincoln to the Party that seceded because Lincoln became president. Truly a vile human being. At least Byrd showed the potential for growth.

142 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:24:49pm

re: #140 Gus

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Weeeeeeeeee!

143 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:25:16pm

re: #142 HappyWarrior

Weeeeeeeeee!

I love that face.

144 The War TARDIS  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:26:07pm

re: #129 Lidane

Like I do with Supernatural? :P

145 Stanley Sea  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:26:43pm

re: #137 HappyWarrior

Love when the orange meets the blue. We haven’t had one of those in a while here.

We had a bumper sticker at UF: god must be a gator cause he created the sun orange & the sky blue.

Just thought youd like to know!

146 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:26:59pm

re: #143 Gus

I love that face.

Yeah you just want to give him a hug and let him ride on your back and tell Swipey no swiping haha. Seriously I know they’re dangerous apparently to have as pets but I’d love to have a little monkey companion. I just love the fact we’re cousins with them. One of my favorite things about evolution honestly. Who wouldn’t want to be cousins with them?

147 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:27:41pm

re: #145 Stanley Sea

We had a bumper sticker at UF: god must be a gator cause he created the sun orange & the sky blue.

Just thought youd like to know!

Those are UVA colors too(not that I went there or have any real affiliation with the Cavs). But yeah I just love that color especially on a midsummer’s sunset.

148 EPR-radar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:28:03pm

re: #141 HappyWarrior

Gets me to another point about the RR, I will never ever forgive Jesse Helms for labeling AIDS a gay disease. That guy was a monster. The right can harp on about KKK Robert Byrd all they want but Jesse Helms was a living symbol for how the Republican Party went from being the Party of Lincoln to the Party that seceded because Lincoln became president. Truly a vile human being. At least Byrd showed the potential for growth.

The Republican response to the emergence of AIDS in the US was disgusting. It was an obvious public health issue that demanded a prompt and rational response, but too many on the right (both then and now) couldn’t care less about people dying if they were gay or drug users.

149 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:29:00pm

re: #148 EPR-radar

The Republican response to the emergence of AIDS in the US was disgusting. It was an obvious public health issue that demanded a prompt and rational response, but too many on the right (both then and now) couldn’t care less about people dying if they were gay or drug users.

Want to say that Reagan’s press secretary even cracked a joke about it being a gay disease. I don’t care if attitudes about gays were different back then. That’s still joking about people dying.

150 bratwurst  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:29:09pm

I think the thing that is getting to me is the way NBC talks down to the audience. It’s like their research shows that the average American viewer has never HEARD of Russia.

151 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:29:49pm

re: #148 EPR-radar

The Republican response to the emergence of AIDS in the US was disgusting. It was an obvious public health issue that demanded a prompt and rational response, but too many on the right (both then and now) couldn’t care less about people dying if they were gay or drug users.

And now they simply respond to the “gay disease” by crying crocodile tears over how it’s hurting the black community, people they couldn’t give a fuck less about except as handy political theater props.

152 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:30:20pm

Where I live.

Looking north from downtown.

153 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:31:14pm

I actually feel sort of bad that every time I hear the Russian national anthem, the first thing I associate it with is The Hunt for Red October.

154 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:31:16pm

re: #151 Targetpractice

And now they simply respond to the “gay disease” by crying crocodile tears over how it’s hurting the black community, people they couldn’t give a fuck less about except as handy political theater props.

Kind of like they do with abortion and poor blacks yet they don’t want to do a thing to educate the poor about responsible birth control or help impoverished families. It actually makes one pine for the past method since it was at least somewhat honest- bastardly no doubt but honest.

155 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:32:52pm

re: #152 b_sharp

Where I live.

Looking north from downtown.

Reh-gina. //

156 EPR-radar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:33:30pm

re: #93 EPR-radar

More derping from the NRO commenters on the Williamson piece:

Feminism NEVER was about what is best for women. Feminism was always—from its earliest origin—about jealousy. The first feminist—Satan himself—did not tell Eve that she would be a happier woman if she ate the forbidden fruit. He told her she would be “like God.” Women in early feminist days were not campaigning to be better women. They wanted to be more “like men.”

When a Freeper learns to spell, they upgrade to NRO online?

157 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:33:35pm

Problem with the right and gays is they want to deny gay people even have humanity. I guess this is why I mainly find the Christians are victims of the left such crap. Yeah I find fundamentalist Christians wrong and I’d never raise my child in such a fashion but here’s the thing. I still think they should have rights and I don’t automatically assume if you’re an Evangelical that you’re a bad person. The RR and gays though? They want to blame gays for all instances of pedophila, Nazism, and god knows what else and think discriminating against them should not only be legal but part of the law.

158 bratwurst  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:33:59pm

re: #153 Targetpractice

I actually feel sort of bad that every time I hear the Russian national anthem, the first thing I associate it with is The Hunt for Red October.

Could be worse…

Youtube Video

159 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:35:18pm

re: #140 Gus

That’s a pretty cool site, 500px. I hadn’t seen that before.

160 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:36:23pm

re: #159 Charles Johnson

That’s a pretty cool site, 500px. I hadn’t seen that before.

Yeah, found the site the other night. Forgot how I ended up there.

161 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:36:37pm

re: #148 EPR-radar

The Republican response to the emergence of AIDS in the US was disgusting. It was an obvious public health issue that demanded a prompt and rational response, but too many on the right (both then and now) couldn’t care less about people dying if they were gay or drug users.

I think that sort of changed in 1989 when their NASCAR racing hero, Tim Richmond, died of AIDS.

162 Stanley Sea  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:36:56pm

re: #148 EPR-radar

The Republican response to the emergence of AIDS in the US was disgusting. It was an obvious public health issue that demanded a prompt and rational response, but too many on the right (both then and now) couldn’t care less about people dying if they were gay or drug users.

Yeah. Response depended on who was at risk and their ‘worth’. Country first my ass. Those people were/are evil.

163 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:37:57pm

re: #159 Charles Johnson

That’s a pretty cool site, 500px. I hadn’t seen that before.

Plus it’s easy to Tweet since it comes with the image, link, and the citation. In addition to the pics showing up here and on Twitter.

164 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:38:02pm

Japanese television has always been deeply unsettling.

This is a “comedy” show.

Youtube Video

165 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:39:27pm

re: #155 Gus

Reh-gina. //

Rhymes with fun.

166 Stanley Sea  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:41:08pm

re: #156 EPR-radar

More derping from the NRO commenters on the Williamson piece:

When a Freeper learns to spell, they upgrade to NRO online?

What war on women you ask?

167 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:41:40pm

re: #135 wrenchwench

Looks like the sunsets were pretty all over the country today. NYC had some seriously rich colors tonight.

168 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:42:05pm

re: #167 lawhawk

Great shot!

169 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:43:11pm

re: #167 lawhawk

Looks like the sunsets were pretty all over the country today. NYC had some seriously rich colors tonight.

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That one is magical. The light is unreal. The colors and shade on the buildings are perfect.

170 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:43:20pm

re: #167 lawhawk

Looks like the sunsets were pretty all over the country today. NYC had some seriously rich colors tonight.

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How much does that seagull charge per hour? :D

171 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:43:32pm

And the gull!

172 abolitionist  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:43:58pm

re: #161 Justanotherhuman

I think that sort of changed in 1989 when their NASCAR racing hero, Tim Richmond, died of AIDS.

Arthur Ashe

Ashe meeting Reagan in 1982

173 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:44:21pm

re: #164 Charles Johnson

Japanese television has always been deeply unsettling.

This is a “comedy” show.

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Yep, that’s very Japanese.

174 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:44:52pm

re: #167 lawhawk

Looks like the sunsets were pretty all over the country today. NYC had some seriously rich colors tonight.

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Indonesian volcanic ash?

175 The War TARDIS  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:44:54pm

Noticing that many of the reporters are taking a hysterical view of what is happening with Scotland.

They are acting like Britain will imminently break-up

Polls say otherwise. 3 most recent polls. Indepenence is the first percentage column, continued Union is the second, undecided is 3rd, and the difference between Independence and Union is the last.

3-5 Feb YouGov/Sun 1,047 34% 52% 14% 18%
29-31 Jan Survation/ 1,010 32% 52% 16% 20%
21-27 Jan YouGov 1,192 33% 52% 15% 19%

First off, most polls show a continuing 50%+ support for the union.

Second, the number of undecideds. Maybe my logic is wrong, but if you can’t decide who to side with until the very end, you are more likely to go with the least radical option. Union.

176 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:45:26pm

Here’s a way cool video I saw earlier:

Youtube Video

177 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:45:32pm

Gotta run. Here are four and a half minutes of goofy talking animals.

Youtube Video

Later, lizards.

178 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:46:33pm

OK. I’m a nerd. A middle-aged nerd.

Not watching TV. Drinking tea, playing a board game solo, and listening to “The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway”. And hanging out with the Feline Overlords.

And perfectly happy doing this. (Which is *all* that really counts to a certain degree.)

179 EPR-radar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:47:01pm

re: #172 abolitionist

Arthur Ashe

Ashe meeting Reagan in 1982

At the time, the right wingers amused themselves with a fair amount of icky distinguishing between ‘good people’ who ended up with AIDS (e.g., via blood transfusion) and ‘bad people’ who ended up with AIDS because of their crimes against nature.

180 abolitionist  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:49:48pm

re: #179 EPR-radar

At the time, the right wingers amused themselves with a fair amount of icky distinguishing between ‘good people’ who ended up with AIDS (e.g., via blood transfusion) and ‘bad people’ who ended up with AIDS because of their crimes against nature.

The virus don’t care.

181 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:50:09pm

re: #169 wrenchwench

I think it got even better a few minutes later, but had to catch the train home. The sky had all kinds of color tonight. Real magnificent.

And that view is with the sun almost at my back. I was trying to catch the reflected color off the buildings. I’ll have to bring my camera with me next week - this was with my phone.

182 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:50:53pm

Caught a couple seconds of the opening ceremonies and they noted that the countries are being introduced alphabetically in the Cyrillic alphabet. To which I immediately snarked “Come now, everybody knows that the world only speaks English!”

183 EPR-radar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:51:04pm

re: #180 abolitionist

The virus don’t care.

Precisely. It was and is a public health issue and should be dealt with rationally as such.

184 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:51:09pm

re: #174 William Barnett-Lewis

You know, that could be it. All that dust scattering the light to get real intense sunsets.

185 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:51:51pm

re: #181 lawhawk

I think it got even better a few minutes later, but had to catch the train home. The sky had all kinds of color tonight. Real magnificent.

And that view is with the sun almost at my back. I was trying to catch the reflected color off the buildings. I’ll have to bring my camera with me next week - this was with my phone.

Nature can create pictures that no artist can ever hope to accurately reproduce.

186 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:56:29pm

Here’s a very cool Javascript/jQuery function that returns the pixel width of a text string. You pass in the text string to measure, and the CSS font style. I’m using this in the revised spell checker code…

function textWidth(text, font) {
	var obj = $('<div>' + text + '</div>').css({
			'position': 'absolute',
			'float': 'left',
			'padding': 0,
			'white-space': 'nowrap',
			'visibility': 'hidden',
			'font': font || '14px Verdana'
		}).appendTo('body'),
		width = obj.width();
	obj.remove();
	return width;
}

The trick: it creates an absolutely positioned div with visibility set to hidden, and the font set to whichever font you want to measure (in this example the font is set to “14px Verdana” by default unless you pass in a different style), with the text string inside it, and appends it to the body. The user never sees it. It is hidden.

Then the code gets the width of the hidden div containing the text string, removes the div, and returns the width — which is the exact pixel width of the text because the div was automatically sized to fit the contents.

187 Amory Blaine  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:56:49pm

The music is uh interesting.

188 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:57:17pm

re: #161 Justanotherhuman

I think that sort of changed in 1989 when their NASCAR racing hero, Tim Richmond, died of AIDS.

You would have thought it would happen when that douchebag Terry Dolan went to his reward because of AIDS.

He’s one of the people most responsible for the political mess the US is in now.

189 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:57:21pm

The Georgia team marched into the stadium, but were immediately confronted and beaten by Russian soldiers, before being led off to join the Russian team.

///

190 The War TARDIS  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:58:58pm

re: #189 Targetpractice

Sadly, I could *ALMOST* see that happening.

Thoughts on the Scottish Independence thing I posted?

191 Amory Blaine  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:59:02pm

It’s like an 80s movie.

192 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 5:59:42pm

NYC mayor welcomes Pussy Riot to City Hall

bigstory.ap.org

“De Blasio, his wife Chirlane McCray and the musicians visited for about 30 minutes. A spokeswoman says the mayor commended them for “their bravery and courage.”

“The two were released in December after nearly two years in jail. They were convicted of hooliganism after they staged a protest in a Russian church.

“The women have also appeared on the talk show “The Colbert Report” and at an Amnesty International concert in Brooklyn. While on tour, they have been critical of Russian President Vladimir Putin and political conditions in their homeland.”

193 The War TARDIS  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:01:06pm

re: #192 Justanotherhuman

Give them asylum.

Cause they will be in trouble if they go back home.

194 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:01:24pm

re: #190 The War TARDIS

Sadly, I could *ALMOST* see that happening.

Thoughts on the Scottish Independence thing I posted?

I’m not sure that we’ll see independence in the immediate future, but if it does happen, I don’t believe it’ll lead to the sort of hysterical predictions that the opponents claim.

195 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:04:05pm

re: #193 The War TARDIS

Give them asylum.

Cause they will be in trouble if they go back home.

It might be wise to get their families out first. Cause you know Putin will take it out on them.

196 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:06:10pm

re: #188 Romantic Heretic

You would have thought it would happen when that douchebag Terry Dolan went to his reward because of AIDS.

He’s one of the people most responsible for the political mess the US is in now.

Not really. Richmond was a “man’s man” who screwed lots of women, so he was a-okay, doncha know, even though it scared the heebie jeebies out of lots of women and men (since there was plenty of “passing around” going on).

Dolan was just a closeted “one of them”.

It must be awful to live such a compartmentalized life.

197 The War TARDIS  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:08:32pm

re: #194 Targetpractice

I simply don’t think it will happen at all. Especially since Salmond is a bit of a corrupt ass.

He, for example is not allowing people of Scottish Nationality living in England, Wales, or Northern Ireland from voting.

That’s not to say Britain doesn’t need a revamp. It needs to go to a more federal setup, with portions of England become the equivalent of NI, Wales, and Scotland. That would solve the West Lothian Quetion.

198 EPR-radar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:11:27pm

re: #188 Romantic Heretic

You would have thought it would happen when that douchebag Terry Dolan went to his reward because of AIDS.

He’s one of the people most responsible for the political mess the US is in now.

I’d forgotten about that crap stain Dolan. In any case, the death of a tool, even one as useful to the right as Dolan was, isn’t about to cause any reconsideration of RW policy positions.

199 The War TARDIS  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:17:03pm

Can someone confirm what Crist said?

Charlie Crist blames Florida Gov. Rick Scott’s Medicaid policy for ‘six deaths a day’

200 palomino  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:17:09pm

re: #31 Lidane

Wheee!

[Embedded content]

No way the GOP even considers immigration reform before the midterms. It would infuriate the TP, whose turnout is essential to winning back the Senate.

Boehner might pay a little lip service to the idea, but then blame it on Obama for not “enforcing” existing laws or some other BS like that.

Problem is, the presidential race will basically begin right after the 2014 midterms. Which means that Dems will suddenly have less incentive to join with Republicans to pass a watered down bill, opting instead to use it as a wedge issue against a party that doesn’t really want immigration reform to begin with.

Furthermore, the GOP won’t go as far as a pathway to citizenship. This probably won’t solve their Hispanic problem, since their approach boils down to, “We’ll let you stay, but only as a second class non-citizen.”

201 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:19:45pm

LGBT’s worst foe: The Closet Monster

Gays’ worst enemies? Too often: Closet cases terrified of being exposed. A hall of shame

salon.com

No doubt there are more…

202 Bear  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:21:32pm

There may be some good news weather wise for California. Some places report RAIN!!!

203 EPR-radar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:22:34pm

re: #202 Bear

There may be some good news weather wise for California. Some places report RAIN!!!

Water falling from the sky? What is this phenomenon? //

204 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:23:35pm

re: #200 palomino

No way the GOP even considers immigration reform before the midterms. It would infuriate the TP, whose turnout is essential to winning back the Senate.

Boehner might pay a little lip service to the idea, but then blame it on Obama for not “enforcing” existing laws or some other BS like that.

Problem is, the presidential race will basically begin right after the 2014 midterms. Which means that Dems will suddenly have less incentive to join with Republicans to pass a watered down bill, opting instead to use it as a wedge issue against a party that doesn’t really want immigration reform to begin with.

Furthermore, the GOP won’t go as far as a pathway to citizenship. This probably won’t solve their Hispanic problem, since their approach boils down to, “We’ll let you stay, but only as a second class non-citizen.”

The GOP work on immigration reform this year is effectively dead, Boehner put the last nail in the coffin yesterday when he declared that they don’t want to consider passing a bill until they can “trust” the President. Which leaves unspoken the conclusion that the GOP will not take any serious action on immigration until after 2016, but instead will try to string along voters with a “piecework” approach of passing bills that address things they think voters want, like more work visas.

205 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:24:06pm

re: #202 Bear

There may be some good news weather wise for California. Some places report RAIN!!!

More good news, but a lousy headline.

President Barack Obama heading to Fresno for drought discussing

abclocal.go.com

He’ll be there on the 14th with a Valentine. : )

206 thedopefishlives  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:27:46pm

Evening again, Lizardim. Just watching the entry of Team USA , despite knowing it already happened. When Team New Zealand entered earlier, my wife and I frantically gesticulated at the screen: “WE KNOW THAT GUY!!!” Not the flag carrier, but one of the athletes in the party who was on for all of about 2 seconds. It was a hilarious moment to us. How go things among the lizardfolk?

207 Bear  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:29:08pm

Caltrans reports Chains required on all vehicles except 4 wheel drive on Interstate 80 over Sierras.

208 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:31:51pm

re: #207 Bear

Winter storm warning in effect for the Sierras. Yosemite highlands (8000 feet+) can see 2-3 feet of snow. Badly needed, considering that snowpack is about 20% of normal.

209 EPR-radar  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:32:05pm

re: #201 Justanotherhuman

LGBT’s worst foe: The Closet Monster

Gays’ worst enemies? Too often: Closet cases terrified of being exposed. A hall of shame

salon.com

No doubt there are more…

This Salon article considers 21 cases. The breakdown appears to be:

1 talk radio host (conservative)
2 preachers
18 Republican politicians or operatives

210 thedopefishlives  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:33:44pm

re: #207 Bear

Caltrans reports Chains required on all vehicles except 4 wheel drive on Interstate 80 over Sierras.

When I was in college, we took a field trip to Reno, Nevada, by way of Oakland. There was a snowstorm in the Sierras that night that closed the Donner Pass to all but vehicles with chains. Finding a way around in our rental van was one of the most … interesting experiences I’ve ever had on the road.

211 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:33:58pm

Basically the GOP doesn’t want to take any action on immigration reform this year for fear that it will scare off the base, so instead they’re going to make a lot of promises they won’t keep, like how they’ll “reconsider” next year if they take the Senate this year. Or how they’re “ready” to address bits and pieces of reform this year, but won’t tackle a pathway to citizenship until they can “trust” the President and so are blaming him for no progress being made.

They’d be more honest if they just came out this year and said “We don’t want to address immigration reform because we don’t want to lose the ability to scare white people into voting for us.”

212 prairiefire  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:38:36pm

Good thing euro trash techno music has found a home in Socchi

213 The War TARDIS  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:41:54pm

re: #212 prairiefire

At least it isn’t Toby Keith or that idiot who who wrote “Same Trailer, Different Park.”

Not interested in hearing the tribulations of dimwits who think the south will rise again.

214 Gus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:47:28pm
215 Amory Blaine  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:48:28pm

Putin is wearing a shirt.

216 prairiefire  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:52:09pm

“Putin” ~ Drink!

217 calochortus  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:52:14pm

re: #208 lawhawk

Winter storm warning in effect for the Sierras. Yosemite highlands (8000 feet+) can see 2-3 feet of snow. Badly needed, considering that snowpack is about 20% of normal.

The good news from the Bay Area-there is currently a giant fire-hose of moisture aimed at us which has provided light to moderate rain today. It is supposed to get heavier overnight and through tomorrow.
The slightly-less-good part is that some areas could have some flooding (without actually ending the drought) and the storm is of the “pineapple express” variety which doesn’t necessarily bode well for the Sierra snow pack.

All in all, I’ll take the rain.

218 Amory Blaine  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:54:14pm

Dome kind of looks like Lexx

219 thedopefishlives  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 6:54:36pm

I had to laugh at the rosy portrayal of 1950’s-era Russia. Because the Cold War had to be a FANTASTIC time to live in Soviet Union!

220 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:00:11pm

Heh…


and the Russians aren’t above Jedi mind tricks either, as they apparently used footage from the practice run to avoid broadcasting the asterisk across Russia.

221 freetoken  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:01:34pm

LEFTIST UNION THUG!!

Jay Leno Shows His Union Solidarity

Kudos to Jay Leno for ending his 22-year tenure on The Tonight Show with a staunchly pro-union statement.

In his tearful closing remarks on his final show Thursday night, Leno said:

“I’m also proud to say this is a union show, and I have never worked with a more professional group of people in my life. They get paid good money and they do a good job.”

[…]

Youtube Video

222 thedopefishlives  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:03:42pm

Chrysler sure has come up with some rather derpy pro-America ads lately. When they ran their Super Bowl commercial, I looked at my wife and said, “Y’know, that was only mildly racist.”

223 Jayleia  Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:25:17pm

re: #61 Varek Raith

Oh god, the commentary in that article…one dude insists that Bain was given that name to attack Mitt.

BANE.

And then that Bain…srry, Bane is an OBSCURE CHARACTER in Batman comics. *twitchtwitch*


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