Left Wing Libertarians Join Forces With Far Right Ron Paulians to Complain About the NSA

The left and the far right meet in the Twilight Zone
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Today the libertarians are holding an event they’re calling: The Day We Fight Back - February 11th 2014.

Sounds dramatic, right? Of course, in this case, “fighting back” means giving your email and phone number to them, and parroting one of the paranoid scripts they’ve pre-written for you. And to do so, you’re joining forces with Ron Paul’s extreme right wing Campaign For Liberty, one of their sponsors.

Yes, that would be this Ron Paul:

Ron Paul says “the South was right” in front of a giant Confederate flag

Would you give your private phone number and email address to the likes of Glenn Greenwald and his cronies? To Ron Paul’s cultish followers? Frankly, you’d have to be crazy to trust these people with your information.

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411 comments
1 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:06:10am

This should get both sides derping:

2 Testy Toad T  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:06:15am

To many of the dudebro and wingnut set alike, “protest” means “complain loudly”.

I don’t think they fully understand the intricacies of the concept.

3 Kragar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:07:05am

“WE DEMAND PRIVACY SO GIVE US YOUR EMAIL AND CONTACT INFO AND MAKE SURE YOU GET OUR TRACKING COOKIES SO WE CAN CONNECT YOU TO OUR SPONSORS!”

4 Ian G.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:10:08am

I hope those participating in this “protest” enjoy the avalanche of gold “investment” spam that they’ll soon be receiving.

5 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:11:14am
6 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:11:51am

Heh.

7 Kragar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:13:22am
8 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:13:38am

One Injured, One Missing at Southwest Pa. Gas Well Fire

DILLINER, Pa. (AP) - One worker has been injured and another is missing after a natural gas well explosion and fire in southwestern Pennsylvania, within miles of the West Virginia border.

9 b.d.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:14:32am

THESE STERNLY WORDED, AUTOMATED EMAILS SHOULD MAKE NSA DO WHAT WE SAY!!!

10 Tigger2  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:15:18am

Hell I’m surveilled by damn near every website I got to in one way or another.

11 Testy Toad T  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:15:40am

Perhaps the goal is to flood the metadata collection circuits with whining. Clog the tubes, if you will.

That… might actually work.

///

12 Testy Toad T  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:18:10am

Only in America can you protest by banging on the keyboard from the comfort of mom’s basement.

Heck, you don’t even need to change out of those sweatpants. Or construct a breadhelmet.

13 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:18:40am

re: #4 Ian G.

I hope those participating in this “protest” enjoy the avalanche of gold “investment” spam that they’ll soon be receiving.

Well, at least gold has intrinsic value as compared to say, the Bitcoin these nitwits were touting just a short time earlier. You know, like when Russia bans it, trading platforms stop issuing trades, and other governments look at it as a way for criminal enterprises to launder money.

14 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:19:01am

re: #12 Testy Toad T

Only in America can you protest by banging on the keyboard from the comfort of mom’s basement.

Heck, you don’t even need to change out of those sweatpants. Or construct a breadhelmet.

Send a message upstairs to Mom for more Hot Pockets!
// ;)

15 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:19:11am

Greenwald, the ACLU, esp, and the myriad lawyers who are caught up in all of this Snowden crap should actually know better, and it says one of 2 things about them: either they’re terrible at reading the law, or they simply want to ignore it to get what they want.

Actually, I think it’s both.

16 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:19:15am

OT, but here’s a small sanity break.

The Ostrava Museum staff has an unusual task during the winter. In their free time, they take care of bats that people bring to the museum. Most of them are found weakened in the corridors of residential buildings or on the ground. In winter, bats in nature hibernate. With temperatures dipping below the freezing point, they wake up and try to find warmer habitats. This is often done several times during the winter. For such an effort, the bats often don’t have the strength to find a new habitat.

“Before, people brought bats to the Ostrava zoo, but at the zoo, there was only a special time when people could bring them in. Therefore, nowadays, people bring the bats to us ” said zoologist Mojmír Foral .

Currently the staff is taking care of only one female bat. She is striving to regain lost energy and strength. “We put them in a suitable environment and try to get them in good condition with replacement feeding. Then we let them hibernate in our cellar areas where they are not disturbed” said Foral . So what do bats eat in the winter ?

” We feed them mostly flour worms. They are available and mainly supply the weak and hungry bats with needed nutrients . This can be enjoyed but we also feed them crickets.” says Museum Assistant Director Michael Troszková, one of the main bat carers. He added that the bats most in need during the Christmas holidays he often takes home with him. This mild winter is by far a favorable one for bats, so the museum staff have only seen one that needed care. There have been winters when the employees have taken care of up to seven bats at the same time. When spring arrives, and when it is certain that there will be no additional temperature extremes, these small mammals are released into the wild.

“Before we throw them into the air we make sure that they are able to fly. If they are not in the best condition they must receive a bit more attention. But often the bats fly off okay.”says Foral.

That’s the translation (and my editing) of the story in our local Ostrava newspaper, which is here:

moravskoslezsky.denik.cz

17 b.d.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:19:44am

re: #12 Testy Toad T

Only in America can you protest by banging on the keyboard from the comfort of mom’s basement.

Heck, you don’t even need to change out of those sweatpants. Or construct a breadhelmet.

I PUT ON MY GUY FAWKES MASK WHEN I WAS GIVING THAT UNKNOWN ORGANIZATION MY PERSONAL INFORMATION

18 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:19:53am

re: #10 Tigger2

Damn I’m surveilled by damn near every website I got to in one way or another.

Including the ones Greenwald set up as part of his new propaganda enterprise.

/May the tracking cookies be ever in your shadow

19 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:19:56am

The pot party meets………..the other pot party.

20 Kragar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:21:12am

re: #12 Testy Toad T

Only in America can you protest by banging on the keyboard from the comfort of mom’s basement.

Heck, you don’t even need to change out of those sweatpants. Or construct a breadhelmet.

“Honey! What are you doing?”

“I’m protesting the Western Imperialist Surveillance State mom!”

“Is that anything like looking for a job and moving out of the house?”

“MOM!”

21 S'latch  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:24:07am

Why in the world would they need my private phone number and email address? I thought they already had this information on Edward Snowden’s flash drive.

22 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:24:17am

Also sponsoring this insanity: the batshit insane Libertarian Party.

23 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:24:22am

Woman shoots at a McDonald’s over missing bacon (VIDEO)

A Michigan woman shot at a McDonald’s after employees got her order wrong Monday morning.

Shaneka Monique Torres, 29, went through a Grand Rapids McDonald’s drive-thru on Sunday and was comped a free meal after workers forgot to put bacon on her sandwich. She went through the drive-thru a second time to redeem her voucher Monday morning around 3 o’clock and after her sandwich was bacon-free for the second time, she fired at the building Wood TV reports.

Torres was in the passenger seat and leaned over the driver, firing one round through the closed car window and restaurant window. No one was harmed.

Her photo is below. Expect racism to flow like a river over this one:

Image: Screen-shot-2014-02-11-at-2.05.24-AM.png

24 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:25:54am
25 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:26:29am
26 b.d.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:27:20am
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27 S'latch  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:27:34am

re: #25 Pie-onist Overlord

I like the enhanced spelling of deceitful.

28 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:27:55am

So, Alouette/Decatur Deb, from yesterday’s convo: are these moonbats or dudebros? Or, just all around assholes?

29 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:28:41am
Of course, in this case, “fighting back” means giving your email and phone number to them, and parroting one of the paranoid scripts they’ve pre-written for you.

This will bring NSA to. its. knees.

/

30 Ian G.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:28:57am

re: #27 S’latch

I like the enhanced spelling of deceitful.

Maybe that’s how it was spelled in Middle English. Maybe he’s a Professor specializing in Chaucer at a nearby university.

CHECKMATE, LIBTARDS!!!!

31 Kragar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:29:08am
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33 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:29:47am

re: #28 Dr. Matt

So, Alouette/Decatur Deb, from yesterday’s convo: are these moonbats or dudebros? Or, just all around assholes?

I think the term “moonbat” has become obsolete. “Dudebro” is current.

I can’t think of anyone any more who could be termed “moonbat” except maybe Code Pink or PETA.

34 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:30:22am

re: #25 Pie-onist Overlord

Teabonics!

35 b.d.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:30:40am
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36 Kragar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:30:48am

re: #32 b.d.

“WE OWN YOUR ASSES. DUDEBROS!”

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38 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:31:31am

re: #20 Kragar

This Mom is dishing out some tyranny to our brave freedom fighter there.

39 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:31:50am
40 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:31:54am

re: #33 Pie-onist Overlord

I think the term “moonbat” has become obsolete. “Dudebro” is current.

I can’t think of anyone any more who could be termed “moonbat” except maybe Code Pink or PETA.

I visited C&L for the first time in ages today; I think it fits the regulars there if “the Dems are no different than the GOP” qualifies as a moonbat.

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42 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:33:46am
43 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:34:06am

re: #40 Dr. Matt

I visited C&L for the first time in ages today; I think it fits the regulars there if “the Dems are no different than the GOP” qualifies as a moonbat.

That’s Dudebrothink.

44 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:34:21am

So.

There’s a chunk of the people “protesting” that don’t have issues with the larger data collection that occurs from corporations—hello, there, Google…how’s that collaborating with the Chinese government going?,,,and there’s a chunk that thinks the problem is with the nasty federal government spying on you, but not the state-level invasion of privacy inherent in anti-gay laws, personhood laws, and shit like no-knock warrants.

Awesome. My freedom feels really fucking defended.

45 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:34:41am

re: #31 Kragar

He’s been warned about spending too much time with Bryan Fischer.

46 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:35:26am

Charles, maybe you can change the “Moonbats” category for the pages dropdown list to “Dudebros”? “Moonbats” has become obsolete and we have so much more use for “Dudebro.”

Thanks. :)

47 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:36:13am

Racism & homophobia all in One Tweet! What’s not to like?

Link

48 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:36:33am

re: #41 b.d.

Is one day enough time in which to Fight Back? What if NSA just waits till tomorrow to go all tyrrany on us?/

49 Tigger2  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:36:54am

re: #24 Pie-onist Overlord

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He might be taxed enough but he’s not educated enough.

50 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:36:55am

re: #14 Feline Fearless Leader

Send a message upstairs to Mom for more Hot Pockets!
// ;)

51 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:37:58am

re: #46 Pie-onist Overlord

Charles, maybe you can change the “Moonbats” category for the pages dropdown list to “Dudebros”? “Moonbats” has become obsolete and we have so much more use for “Dudebro.”

Thanks. :)

I think they are still separate categories. There is a lot of overlap with the left-side libertarians sort of being both. But I’ve also come across some right-wing libertarians that spout dudebro stuff, but are definitely more wingnut than moonbat.

52 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:38:15am

re: #47 Pie-onist Overlord

Obviously just another patriotic, taxpaying Amercian who’s taxed enuff already and just wants less government because policy. //

53 Mattand  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:39:28am

re: #39 Pie-onist Overlord

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Jesus Christ, the more I learn about Whole Foods and the libertarian fruitcake who runs it, the more embarrassed I am I ever shopped there.

54 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:39:36am

re: #51 Feline Fearless Leader

I think they are still separate categories. There is a lot of overlap with the left-side libertarians sort of being both. But I’ve also come across some right-wing libertarians that spout dudebro stuff, but are definitely more wingnut than moonbat.

The point is that we hardly ever see non-Dudebro moonbats anymore.

55 jaunte  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:40:10am

re: #26 b.d.

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56 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:40:12am

re: #42 Charles Johnson

57 Mattand  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:40:47am

re: #40 Dr. Matt

I visited C&L for the first time in ages today; I think it fits the regulars there if “the Dems are no different than the GOP” qualifies as a moonbat.

You’re a braver man than I am.

I’m considered liberal by most normal definitions of the term. But not there. I was a paid government stooge because I was don’t think 9/11 was an inside job, and genetically modified food is causing cancer.

58 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:40:53am

re: #52 Bulworth

Obviously just another patriotic, taxpaying Amercian who’s taxed enuff already and just wants less government because policy. //

I’m guessing 300,000 West Virginians are wanting more government policy in place right about now.

59 Testy Toad T  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:41:18am

re: #53 Mattand

re: #57 Mattand

Jinx!

60 darthstar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:41:29am

re: #1 Lidane

This should get both sides derping:

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It’s true. The fact that people (like GG and his followers) put more faith in a thief than the President speaks volumes.

61 b.d.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:41:35am

re: #55 jaunte

Metadata!

anti-metadata metadata

62 Ian G.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:41:45am

re: #46 Pie-onist Overlord

Charles, maybe you can change the “Moonbats” category for the pages dropdown list to “Dudebros”? “Moonbats” has become obsolete and we have so much more use for “Dudebro.”

Thanks. :)

Yeah, this. Chomsky is too old, and Greenwald has become far more obnoxious and hypocritical than ol’ Noam could ever have dreamed of being. Moonbats are almost extinct. They’ve been hunted out of existence by Dudebros.

63 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:42:36am

re: #39 Pie-onist Overlord

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Not surprising. Mackey is a staunch Libertarian, so, yeah, I can see him treating employees like shit.

64 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:42:47am

Also too: a lot of what we used to call “moonbats” is now us. :)

65 Kragar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:43:08am
66 Testy Toad T  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:43:32am

Moonbattery in general seems to scale with the number of wars we’re busy fighting (which of course makes complete sense).

67 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:43:51am

re: #57 Mattand

You’re a braver man than I am.

I’m considered liberal by most normal definitions of the term. But not there. I was a paid government stooge because I was don’t think 9/11 was an inside job, and genetically modified food is cause cancer.

I’m sure I’m banned by now after I called many of them “delusional C&L dudebros”. I’ve never seen such a collection of so-called liberals who would gladly give control back to the GOP because they didn’t get a pony from Obama.

68 Kragar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:44:28am

Drop in some comments about Chemtrails, the trilateral commission, Bilderburgs and just watch the whole thing unravel.

69 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:44:31am

re: #58 Dr. Matt

I’m guessing 300,000 West Virginians are wanting more government policy in place right about now.

And this just in (same county as the Freedom Industries spill):

Slurry Line Ruptures at Coal Prep Plant in Kanawha County

KANAWHA COUNTY, W.Va. (WSAZ) — Inspectors with the West Virginia Department of Environmental Protection are on the scene of a slurry spill in eastern Kanawha County.

DEP officials tell WSAZ.com, a slurry line ruptured sometime between midnight and 5:30 a.m. Tuesday at the Kanawha Eagle Prep Plant in Winifrede.

70 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:45:09am

re: #53 Mattand

Jesus Christ, the more I learn about Whole Foods and the libertarian fruitcake who runs it, the more embarrassed I am I ever shopped there.

One of the benefits of being poor: They never get my money for their overpriced stuff. I’ve never been in WF, TJ’s or any of those. They’re corporate assholes, too, so why go out of my way?

71 blueraven  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:45:28am

heh

72 Kragar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:45:33am

re: #69 Backwoods_Sleuth

And this just in (same county as the Freedom Industries spill):

Slurry Line Ruptures at Coal Prep Plant in Kanawha County

Chicks and geese and ducks better skurry, if they don’t want a ride in the slurry…

73 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:45:46am

re: #31 Kragar

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Eeeew! These people really like to conjure up disgusting, even grotesque, images about other people’s private lives. I don’t think anything will ever top this sick freak or the African poo-poo preacher, but combat diaper guy here comes close.

74 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:46:08am

re: #69 Backwoods_Sleuth

And this just in (same county as the Freedom Industries spill):

Slurry Line Ruptures at Coal Prep Plant in Kanawha County

Someday, when Hollywood gets around to remaking “The Toxic Avenger”, the script is clearly going to have to be set in West Virginia.

Tromaville, West Virginia.

75 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:46:19am

re: #31 Kragar

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Someone should ask this guy if Mark Bingham and Mychal Judge needed diapers on 9/11. Fucking bigoted assholes.

76 iossarian  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:46:41am

re: #70 Justanotherhuman

One of the benefits of being poor: They never get my money for their overpriced stuff. I’ve never been in WF, TJ’s or any of those. They’re corporate assholes, too, so why go out of my way?

TJ’s corporate overlords are Germans so at least you’d be supporting Northern Europe-style socialism with your hard-earned dollars.

Then again, maybe it’s just Prussian imperialism in disguise. The world is a complex place.

77 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:46:45am

re: #71 blueraven

Apparently politics is beyond his range of comprehension.

78 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:47:20am

re: #76 iossarian

TJ’s corporate overlords are Germans so at least you’d be supporting Northern Europe-style socialism with your hard-earned dollars.

Then again, maybe it’s just Prussian imperialism in disguise. The world is a complex place.

Trader Joe’s actually has a good reputation as a place to work for.

79 iossarian  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:47:36am

re: #72 Kragar

Chicks and geese and ducks better skurry, if they don’t want a ride in the slurry…

Safety standards are not congruent
With emissions of toxic effluent

80 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:48:03am

re: #76 iossarian

TJ’s corporate overlords are Germans so at least you’d be supporting Northern Europe-style socialism with your hard-earned dollars.

Then again, maybe it’s just Prussian imperialism in disguise. The world is a complex place.

Same with Aldi, IIRC.

Edit: Trader Joe’s and Aldi is owned by the same parent company, but are each run by separate operating groups; I did not know that.

81 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:48:58am

re: #78 Feline Fearless Leader

Trader Joe’s actually has a good reputation as a place to work for.

Yep, definitely socialism.
/

82 Testy Toad T  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:49:16am

re: #73 Shiplord Kirel

Eeeew! These people really like to conjure up disgusting, even grotesque, images about other people’s private lives. I don’t think anything will ever top this sick freak or the African poo-poo preacher, but combat diaper guy here comes close.

If only we’d had Combat Diapers in the 1960s, Ted Nugent might have actually gone to ‘Nam.

83 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:49:56am

re: #78 Feline Fearless Leader

Trader Joes and Aldi are offshoots of the same Germany supermarket lineage.

Aldi Nord operates Trader Joe’s.

Aldi Sud operates Aldi in the US.

Both have a rather unique take on supermarkets that isn’t necessarily for everyone or every market.

84 iossarian  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:50:01am

re: #78 Feline Fearless Leader

Trader Joe’s actually has a good reputation as a place to work for.

Whole Foods doesn’t have a horrible reputation in terms of its employment standards AFAIK, this specific incident notwithstanding. It’s more that the guy is a fervent opponent of “government meddling”, aka corporate taxes, subsidized healthcare etc.

His attitude is basically “I treat my employees right, so we don’t need the government to interfere”. This latest story shows exactly where the fallacy lies in that argument: it’s not up to CEOs to decide what constitutes “treating employees right”.

85 jaunte  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:51:10am

re: #69 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s the fun thing about pipelines. They’re always fine right up until that moment when they fail.

86 iossarian  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:51:19am

re: #80 TedStriker

Same with Aldi, IIRC.

Yup, Aldi owns TJ. (Or, the parent company of Aldi owns both. But I think it’s Aldi that’s the main thing.)

87 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:51:34am
88 Testy Toad T  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:51:46am

re: #84 iossarian

His attitude is basically “I treat my employees right, so we don’t need the government to interfere”. This latest story shows exactly where the fallacy lies in that argument: it’s not up to CEOs to decide what constitutes “treating employees right”.

Yes, but to be fair it is better than the Waltons’ attitude, which is “I treat my employees like serfs; go fuck off”.

89 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:52:12am

It’s actually not uncommon for troops to don diapers in combat/on mission….and it has nothing to do with a rectal prolapse from too much of teh gay.

90 BusyMonster  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:52:13am

re: #25 Pie-onist Overlord

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I’d love to ask that dipshit for what.

“Impeach him for what, dipshit?”

91 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:53:03am

re: #88 Testy Toad T

Yes, but to be fair it is better than the Waltons’ attitude, which is “I treat my employees like serfs; go fuck off”.

“……and stay out of my way on the highway, peasants!”

92 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:53:39am

re: #83 lawhawk

Trader Joes and Aldi are offshoots of the same Germany supermarket lineage.

Aldi Nord operates Trader Joe’s.

Aldi Sud operates Aldi in the US.

Both have a rather unique take on supermarkets that isn’t necessarily for everyone or every market.

We don’t have Aldi in the Czech Republic, but we do have their closest competitor; Lidl.

Lidl is where I buy the razors I use to shave my head; the Shark 2.0 5-blade system. A blister-pak of 4 replacement cartridges is the equivalent of $7.00 or so. Each cartridge lasts me two weeks.

Sweet. Saves big-time $$$.

93 iossarian  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:54:00am

re: #88 Testy Toad T

Yes, but to be fair it is better than the Waltons’ attitude, which is “I treat my employees like serfs; go fuck off”.

That’s objectively true, although if you listen to what the Waltons say, it’s the same thing: we employ all these people, so who are you to tell us what standards we should be following.

There’s probably a whole lot of cognitive dissonance going on too. If you actually got into the walled compound and talked to the billionaires, I bet they would sincerely believe (most of them anyway) that they were doing good by their employees.

94 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:54:07am

They really seem to live in two weird worlds on gays. One where gays are all effeminate sissies who can’t be trusted in combat or on a football field. Anotehr where militant gays are why the Nazi party started. Talk about mental gymnastics.

95 Mattand  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:54:10am

re: #59 Testy Toad T

Jinx!

Yeah, I had a mini-stroke or something there. Wrote one response, forgot to hit send, and then posted the other.

96 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:54:38am

re: #84 iossarian

Whole Foods doesn’t have a horrible reputation in terms of its employment standards AFAIK, this specific incident notwithstanding. It’s more that the guy is a fervent opponent of “government meddling”, aka corporate taxes, subsidized healthcare etc.

His attitude is basically “I treat my employees right, so we don’t need the government to interfere”. This latest story shows exactly where the fallacy lies in that argument: it’s not up to CEOs to decide what constitutes “treating employees right”.

I think part of my response was about how Trade Joe’s and Whole Foods were being bundled as similar. I have been in the latter once or twice and think they are totally overpriced and playing to a market segment I do not consider myself part of. I find the Trader Joe’s priced comparable to over markets I frequent (Wegman’s) and a place to find some particular products I like that I have difficulty finding elsewhere. So I basically split my shopping between Trader Joe’s and Wegman’s based on what items I am after, immediate need*, and convenience.

* - Trader Joe’s being within walking distance while the Wegman’s is at least a 30 minute drive away. I tend to hit the Wegman’s once every week or two to stock up when coming back from running other errands like buying cat food and cat litter.

97 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:55:09am

re: #83 lawhawk

Trader Joes and Aldi are offshoots of the same Germany supermarket lineage.

Aldi Nord operates Trader Joe’s.

Aldi Sud operates Aldi in the US.

Both have a rather unique take on supermarkets that isn’t necessarily for everyone or every market.

I love Aldi; most of what they sell stacks up very favorably (and, sometimes, is superior) to the name brands, for usually much cheaper.

98 abolitionist  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:55:30am

re: #42 Charles Johnson

I don’t let Ron Paul (or anyone) define my politics/religion/morality/sexuality, or Safe Hex.

Years ago, I let on to some of my friends that I was a latent heterosexual. Not one of them understood.

99 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:56:11am

re: #94 HappyWarrior

They really seem to live in two weird worlds on gays. One where gays are all effeminate sissies who can’t be trusted in combat or on a football field. Anotehr where militant gays are why the Nazi party started. Talk about mental gymnastics.

Homosexuals, which make up around 3 to 8% of any given population, is responsible for ALL of the world’s problems. //

100 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:56:18am
101 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:56:29am

NBC speculates about the target’s identities….
U.S. Al Qaeda Suspect Facing Drone Strike Is in Pakistan: Source

According to NBC counter terrorism consultant Evan Kohlmann, there is one terrorist group with two American militants in Pakistan who fit the description.

Kohlmann said two Americans, Saifullah al-Amriki and Abu Ibrahim al-Amriki, have appeared in propaganda videos for the Islamic Jihad Union (IJU), a terrorist group affiliated with al Qaeda. The names are nom de guerres — “al-Amriki” means “the American” — and the duo’s real names are unknown, he said.

IJU was behind a failed attempt to attack Germany’s Frankfurt Airport and Ramstein Airbase in 2007 and has repeatedly attempted to target Americans outside Pakistan and Afghanistan. The group has recruited and used Westerners in their attacks. Two of three alleged terrorists arrested in the foiled Frankfurt plot were Germans while the other was Turkish.

Still no journalists are willing to ask or speculate why the White House is leaking all this info.

102 Mattand  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:56:35am

re: #67 Dr. Matt

I’m sure I’m banned by now after I called many of them “delusional C&L dudebros”. I’ve never seen such a collection of so-called liberals who would gladly give control back to the GOP because they didn’t get a pony from Obama.

Heh, spot-on assessment.

103 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:56:36am

re: #99 Dr. Matt

Homosexuals, which make up around 3 to 8% of any given population, is responsible for ALL of the world’s problems.

Putin is a saint!

104 Ian G.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:56:50am

re: #70 Justanotherhuman

One of the benefits of being poor: They never get my money for their overpriced stuff. I’ve never been in WF, TJ’s or any of those. They’re corporate assholes, too, so why go out of my way?

Trader Joe’s isn’t expensive (at least not by gentrified Brooklyn standards). I do a lot of shopping there. I never shop at Whole Foods.

Part of my Whole Foods disdain comes from the misfortune of hearing Mackey speak at a convention shortly after the 2012 election (I work in the food industry). He basically ranted and raved about how the government is jealous of business owners who are what makes this country great (little different from Romney’s 47% bit). You could see a good chunk of the audience shifting uncomfortably in their seats.

105 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:56:52am

re: #44 The Ghost of a Flea

There’s a chunk of the people “protesting” that don’t have issues with the larger data collection that occurs from corporations—hello, there, Google…

This. Over the weekend I was futzing around with a blog I’m setting up for myself and I uploaded a file to test something. An hour or so later, just for the hell of it, I decided to go to the server and look at my recent visitors stats.

All the hits were from my IP address except one that belonged to Google—one of their crawlers had noticed the file and come over to take a look, probably indexing it, less than 10 minutes after I uploaded it.

We’re talking about a brand new, completely inconsequential blog with zero traffic that’s being written by a total nobody and has almost no content (yet).

It seriously creeped me out.

106 darthstar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:56:58am

This is so wrong…but funny.

107 jaunte  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:56:59am

re: #103 HappyWarrior

Putin is a saint!

108 Kragar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:57:08am

re: #94 HappyWarrior

They really seem to live in two weird worlds on gays. One where gays are all effeminate sissies who can’t be trusted in combat or on a football field. Anotehr where militant gays are why the Nazi party started. Talk about mental gymnastics.

And don’t forget that gay sex is supposed to be so awesome that once same sex marriage is legal, all heterosexuals will simply decide there is no reason to get married anymore and simply fade away, dooming humanity to extinction.

109 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:58:17am

re: #15 Justanotherhuman

Greenwald, the ACLU, esp, and the myriad lawyers who are caught up in all of this Snowden crap should actually know better, and it says one of 2 things about them: either they’re terrible at reading the law, or they simply want to ignore it to get what they want.

Actually, I think it’s both.

Disagree.
The ACLU (and a few others) represents the “grain of truth” that is well below the hyperbole and histrionics of the glibertarians. This reminds me of the ACLU defending a KKK march way back when. 1st Amendment issue, not about the KKK. Sorry for the bold but looking to avoid a misread.

After all we don’t let the likes of PETA make us lose faith in ASPCA or the animal cruelty prevention cause.

110 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:58:59am

re: #76 iossarian

TJ’s corporate overlords are Germans so at least you’d be supporting Northern Europe-style socialism with your hard-earned dollars.

Then again, maybe it’s just Prussian imperialism in disguise. The world is a complex place.

Heh. I do most of my shopping at Food Lion which is part of Delhaize Group, a Belgian co. Besides, TJs is more expensive so I have to watch my moolah.

Another alternative around here is Aldi, which is owned by TJ’s parents and cheaper (also w/cheaper-made products), but I seldom go there because it’s 15 mi away, compared to 5.

111 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:59:04am

re: #108 Kragar

And don’t forget that gay sex is supposed to be so awesome that once same sex marriage is legal, all heterosexuals will simply decide there is no reason to get married anymore and simply fade away, dooming humanity to extinction.

Yeah that one amuses me too.

112 Ian G.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:59:16am

re: #94 HappyWarrior

They really seem to live in two weird worlds on gays. One where gays are all effeminate sissies who can’t be trusted in combat or on a football field. Anotehr where militant gays are why the Nazi party started. Talk about mental gymnastics.

Well, they’re the same people who think Obama is a criminal genius who is going to take over the world without anyone noticing, but he’s also an affirmative action baby who didn’t belong in Columbia or Harvard Law.

And of course, he’s both a Muslim and an atheist. A commie and a Nazi.

113 iossarian  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:59:18am

re: #96 Feline Fearless Leader

Grocery store marketing and price setting is pretty interesting (I once did some minor consulting work for a medium chain that’s not under discussion here).

Whole Foods can be surprisingly good value, especially on bulk items and own-brand stuff. They really stiff you on specifics though.

Trader Joes is basically selling branded goods without the brand - they famously are under strict orders not to reveal the source of many of their own brand products. They’re good for what they have, but don’t carry the same range as other stores.

The optimal price strategy for the shopper is to figure out what is cheap where and then stick strictly to that pattern. When you go for convenience, that’s where you end up paying more, which of course makes logical sense.

114 Testy Toad T  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:59:41am

re: #108 Kragar

And don’t forget that gay sex is supposed to be so awesome that once same sex marriage is legal, all heterosexuals will simply decide there is no reason to get married anymore and simply fade away, dooming humanity to extinction.

As usual, when a group vehemently against something can’t figure out exactly what’s bad about it, and offers multiple theories that are mutually contradictory, there may just not actually be anything wrong with that something.

115 iossarian  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:03:31am

re: #104 Ian G.

Trader Joe’s isn’t expensive (at least not by gentrified Brooklyn standards). I do a lot of shopping there. I never shop at Whole Foods.

Part of my Whole Foods disdain comes from the misfortune of hearing Mackey speak at a convention shortly after the 2012 election (I work in the food industry). He basically ranted and raved about how the government is jealous of business owners who are what makes this country great (little different from Romney’s 47% bit). You could see a good chunk of the audience shifting uncomfortably in their seats.

I always thought it was hilarious that they print their corporate values on the walls of their stores, one of which is “creating wealth through profits and growth” or some similar language.

Hey guys, we kind of suspect that you’re out to take money off us, but maybe don’t scream it in six-foot-high print, OK?

116 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:04:11am

re: #106 darthstar

This is so wrong…but funny.

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My wonder-dog, Roswell the Atomic Poodle, would have given Nitro a run for his money. Ros weighed 5 pounds fully grown but he had lost none of his hunting instincts or basic ferocity, except when he wanted his ears rubbed.

117 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:04:17am

re: #12 Testy Toad T

Only in America can you protest by banging on the keyboard from the comfort of mom’s basement.

Heck, you don’t even need to change out of those sweatpants. Or construct a breadhelmet.

What would I do without Know Your Meme?

118 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:04:54am

re: #100 Charles Johnson

How many trackers installed on the NSA photo gallery page? Just curious….

119 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:06:40am

Dkos put up a banner pop-up ad thingy for the protest: dailykos.com

120 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:06:51am

re: #118 lawhawk

How many trackers installed on the NSA photo gallery page? Just curious….

Looks like the only external resource on the NSA’s site is Google Analytics.

121 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:08:05am

re: #119 Killgore Trout

Dkos put up a banner pop-up ad thingy for the protest: dailykos.com

So did Know Your Meme.

122 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:09:09am

re: #118 lawhawk

How many trackers installed on the NSA photo gallery page? Just curious….

Wait, just installed Ghostery myself, and found out the answer. 1.

That’s right. The NSA has one and it’s for Google analytics.

123 Kragar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:09:33am

re: #118 lawhawk

How many trackers installed on the NSA photo gallery page? Just curious….

NSA.GOV has one tracker for Google Analytics

124 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:09:36am

Jesselyn Radack on the rec list again. It’s an almost daily occurrence sometimes.

The Day We Fight Back: Easy Things You Can Do To Protest Mass Surveillance

125 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:09:50am

re: #113 iossarian

Grocery store marketing and price setting is pretty interesting (I once did some minor consulting work for a medium chain that’s not under discussion here).

Whole Foods can be surprisingly good value, especially on bulk items and own-brand stuff. They really stiff you on specifics though.

Trader Joes is basically selling branded goods without the brand - they famously are under strict orders not to reveal the source of many of their own brand products. They’re good for what they have, but don’t carry the same range as other stores.

The optimal price strategy for the shopper is to figure out what is cheap where and then stick strictly to that pattern. When you go for convenience, that’s where you end up paying more, which of course makes logical sense.

I have to watch blood sugar, and frankly, even though I like some grains like quinoa and even couscous which aren’t carried everywhere, a small box will last a good while because no one else likes those. And even if I frequent the farmer’s market we have in season, their selection is usually not very good (everyone has strawberries in May, for instance), and there are things they just don’t carry, like celery, broccoli, etc.

So, I know the local FL like a book and pretty well know when it’s time for them to put something on sale, and also when not to buy produce, for instance. It pays to get multiples of something if it’s a good deal, and to forego anything that gets hiked until the price settles. I also look for markdowns and clearance items, also. From week to week, I base the menu on what they have on sale, unless I’m totally out of something, which doesn’t happen too often (keeping a backup is one of my tricks in saving). We don’t throw much food away since we eat what we like, but the packaging is sometimes just overwhelming.

126 iossarian  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:09:57am

OK, got to run. Laters peeps.

127 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:10:13am

re: #121 wrenchwench

So did Know Your Meme.

of course Reddit is supporting it too.

128 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:11:17am

re: #107 jaunte

Imaginging Putin in all the Olympic disciplines (some of which, once seen, cannot be unseen).

129 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:11:43am

re: #115 iossarian

I always thought it was hilarious that they print their corporate values on the walls of their stores, one of which is “creating wealth through profits and growth” or some similar language.

Hey guys, we kind of suspect that you’re out to take money off us, but maybe don’t scream it in six-foot-high print, OK?

That’s probably one of the reasons why some people refer to the company as ‘Whole Paycheck’.

130 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:12:10am

re: #127 Killgore Trout

of course Reddit is supporting it too.

And a sibling or two of mine, on Facebook of all places.

131 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:12:31am

Pretty bad day to decide on a protest? We’re going to get yet another snow storm. Note to activists, have your rallies in the middle of April.

132 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:12:58am

It’s especially funny to see support from sites like twitter and facebook whose entire purpose for being is collecting personal information. Tweet for privacy fro your iPhone? Brilliant!

133 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:12:58am

re: #130 wrenchwench

And a sibling or two of mine, on Facebook of all places.

I’m sure a lot of people will post about it on FB without seeing the irony.

134 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:12:59am

re: #113 iossarian

Grocery store marketing and price setting is pretty interesting (I once did some minor consulting work for a medium chain that’s not under discussion here).

Whole Foods can be surprisingly good value, especially on bulk items and own-brand stuff. They really stiff you on specifics though.

Trader Joes is basically selling branded goods without the brand - they famously are under strict orders not to reveal the source of many of their own brand products. They’re good for what they have, but don’t carry the same range as other stores.

The optimal price strategy for the shopper is to figure out what is cheap where and then stick strictly to that pattern. When you go for convenience, that’s where you end up paying more, which of course makes logical sense.

Right. And prices run generally higher since I live in the middle of a large city on the eastern seaboard. If I shop twenty miles out in the suburbs they do drop a little. If I get out to western PA visiting friends and go into the local Giant Eagle (Gynt Igyl) chain there the prices in general are even lower out there. So there are regional price differences in play as well.

For me it’s also a balance of location, bulk buying, and means of transport. If I need paper towels I wait for the weekly Wegman’s/errands trip and get a dozen rolls in bulk since I have the car. I don’t think the local Trader Joe’s even stocks paper towels. My other alternative for stuff like this is a 7-11, CVS, or something like that were there is a noticeable mark-up.

I also have the option of hitting local produce markets, the wholesale district, and some weekend farmer’s markets as well when looking for specific items or types of items.

135 blueraven  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:13:07am

re: #101 Killgore Trout

NBC speculates about the target’s identities….
U.S. Al Qaeda Suspect Facing Drone Strike Is in Pakistan: Source

Still no journalists are willing to ask or speculate why the White House is leaking all this info.

What are you droning on about?
First, you “doubt” Obama is leaking,
littlegreenfootballs.com
Now, you are sure that he is?

What you have implied is that Obama is indecisive; weak…afraid to go after terrorists, though you have no evidence to support that.
Your speculation is duly noted. Why don’t you just quit beating around the bush and say what you mean for once.

136 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:13:17am

re: #132 Killgore Trout

It’s especially funny to see support from sites like twitter and facebook whose entire purpose for being is collecting personal information. Tweet for privacy fro your iPhone? Brilliant!

Like minds.

137 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:13:28am

I quit signing up for anything. : )

Now I get very little email. Suits me. One thing less to keep up with.

138 b.d.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:13:35am

re: #124 Killgore Trout

Jesselyn Radack on the rec list again. It’s an almost daily occurrence sometimes.

The Day We Fight Back: Easy Things You Can Do To Protest Mass Surveillance

Meh, she’s a nutjob.

DailyKos users sometimes have a hard time spotting obvious fraudulent losers. See: John Edwards.

139 darthstar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:13:46am
140 b.d.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:14:41am

re: #131 HappyWarrior

Pretty bad day to decide on a protest? We’re going to get yet another snow storm. Note to activists, have your rallies in the middle of April.

I DON’T WANT 911 OPERATORS TO KNOW WHERE I AM!!

141 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:14:51am

re: #139 darthstar

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Yep.

142 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:15:32am

re: #140 b.d.

I DON’T WANT 911 OPERATORS TO KNOW WHERE I AM!!

I really need to watch the SP ep again because man did it nail how hypocritical people are. Hyperbole sure but that’s how satire works.

143 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:16:30am

re: #133 HappyWarrior

I’m sure a lot of people will post about it on FB without seeing the irony.

All the US events are Facebook events.

San Francisco, CA, USA
Protest Against Mass Surveillance

February 11th, 2014 at 6:00 PM
Details: Meet at the ATT Building, 611 Folsom St.. (at 2nd St, near Montgomery BART), San Francisco, CA. This is the site of Room 641A, the telecommunication interception facility operated by AT&T for the U.S. National Security Agency in a massive, unconstitutional, illegal program to wiretap and data-mine Americans’ communications. Guerrilla Projections and Video by the SF Projection Dept. Speakers include Mark Klein, former AT&T technician and whistleblower.
Website: Facebook event
Los Angeles, CA, USA
Speaking Event

February 11th, 2014 at 7:30 PM
Details: Come to 613 South Grand Ave, Los Angeles, California for an evening event at Casey’s Irish Pub. Restore The Fourth Los Angeles will participate by hosting an event featuring the Tenth Amendment Center and ACLU of Southern California and legislators speaking about unconstitutional domestic surveillance. Learn how you can empower yourself against the NSA. They will be discussing pending legislation against bulk data collection, such as the USA Freedom Act (Federal) and the Fourth Amendment Protection Act (California).
Website: Facebook event
Chicago, IL, USA
Protest Against Mass Surveillance and Dinner

February 11th, 2014 at 12 PM
Details: Meet on Daley Plaza at 5pm on February 11th. Following a few short speeches the group will leave Daley Plaza promptly at 5:30, marching through the Loop to raise awareness of the NSA’s violation of the Fourth Amendment rights of all Americans. We’ll end at Timothy O’Toole’s Pup (Ontario & Fairbanks) at 6:30 to hang out, talk about future ideas for RT4 Chicago, and give those who choose not to brave the winter weather a chance to participate.
Website: Facebook event
Bluffdale, UT, USA
Protest and Highway Cleanup

February 11th, 2014 at 11:00 AM
Details: Come out to the Utah Data Center at N 11600 W Bluffdale, UT 84065. Restore the Fourth will meet a little south of the data center and do a cleanup/march to the gate. EFF’s Parker Higgins will be there to document the event for the EFF blog and speak about surveillance issues.
Website: Reddit and Facebook event
Gainesville, FL, USA
Protest Against Mass Surveillance

February 10th, 2014 at 6:30 PM
Details: The Occupy Gainesville Light Brigade will be projecting a message against NSA surveillance at 20th Ave SW and the I75 overpass.
Website: Facebook event
Lewisville, Texas, USA
Protest Against Mass Surveillance

February 10th, 2014 at 8 PM
Details: The NTLB North Texas Light Brigade will be holding a protest at 812 S. Stemmons Fwy, Lewisville, Texas 75057
Website: Facebook event
Carrollton, TX, USA
Protest Against Mass Surveillance

February 11th, 2014 at 12 PM
Details: Come out and show Big Brother what it looks like when the people get mad. Bring signs and banners in the spirit of this struggle.
Website: Facebook event
St. Paul, MN, USA
Protest Against Mass Surveillance

February 11th, 2014 at 2:30 PM
Details: Gather at the Minnesota State Capitol to air grievances, hear from speakers, and coordinate where we go from here as Minnesotans.
Website: Facebook event

Those are all links to Facebook at the original link.

144 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:17:01am

re: #130 wrenchwench

And a sibling or two of mine, on Facebook of all places.

Yeah, I was just noticing all the Facebook and twitter supporters. This whole thing sums up modern activism. It’s not meant to actually accomplish anything, nobody’s going to change anything including their own behavior. It’s a pointless display to give the protesters a sense of self worth and satisfaction. The target of the protests are completely unworried. It’s just a show and everybody will forget next week when a celebrity wears and ugly dress or tweets something offensive. Lather, rinse, repeat.

145 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:17:18am

Rebranding!

146 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:18:08am

re: #143 wrenchwench

All the US events are Facebook events.

Those are all links to Facebook at the original link.

As I said, posted without irony.

147 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:19:02am

re: #143 wrenchwench

What “struggle” are they talking about?

It’s just going to be a bunch of white dudes, isn’t it?

148 Kragar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:19:22am

re: #137 Justanotherhuman

I quit signing up for anything. : )

Now I get very little email. Suits me. One thing less to keep up with.

Back in the good ole days before effective spam blocking, a tried and true military prank was signing up someones email up to the mailing lists for porn sites.

“What you got there, Sir?”

“NOTHING!” *delete* *delete* *glances around and forwards it home* *delete*

149 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:19:23am

re: #144 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I was just noticing all the Facebook and twitter supporters. This whole thing sums up modern activism. It’s not meant to actually accomplish anything, nobody’s going to change anything including their own behavior. It’s a pointless display to give the protesters a sense of self worth and satisfaction. The target of the protests are completely unworried. It’s just a show and everybody will forget next week when a celebrity wears and ugly dress or tweets something offensive. Lather, rinse, repeat.

I wouldn’t broad-brush all of ‘modern activism’ that way. Some people are getting shit done, or we wouldn’t have Obama and Obamacare. That counts for a lot, to me.

150 Internet Tough Guy  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:19:49am
The Day We Fight Back: Easy Things You Can Do To Protest Mass Surveillance

Most spineless resistance ever.

151 Testy Toad T  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:20:37am

re: #147 Justanotherhuman

What “struggle” are they talking about?

It’s just going to be a bunch of white dudes, isn’t it?

Well, certainly the one in St. Paul!

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152 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:20:59am

re: #145 Lidane

Rebranding!

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Note about Bob Marshall, he very nearly won the GOP nomination for senate here a few years back. As Varek will vouch, he’s Manassas’s version of Rick Santorum. This is the same seat by the way where the guy who denied spousal rape was going to run but decided not to because he was worried about the balance of the state senate. Marshall will be the TP’s favorite in this race to be sure. I really hope I do not get this vile fuck as my Congressman.

153 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:21:32am

re: #147 Justanotherhuman

What “struggle” are they talking about?

It’s just going to be a bunch of white dudes, isn’t it?

Some of the meetups are at bars. If the turnout is too big, someone’s ice could melt….

154 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:22:01am

re: #144 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I was just noticing all the Facebook and twitter supporters. This whole thing sums up modern activism. It’s not meant to actually accomplish anything, nobody’s going to change anything including their own behavior. It’s a pointless display to give the protesters a sense of self worth and satisfaction. The target of the protests are completely unworried. It’s just a show and everybody will forget next week when a celebrity wears and ugly dress or tweets something offensive. Lather, rinse, repeat.

I think some activists do a lot of good. We wouldn’t have seen the growth we’ve seen in support for ssm and marijuana being legalized if all activists were a bunch of self-righteous boors.

155 b.d.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:23:15am

The Day we fight back?

OK Facebook and Google, pledge to go one full day without gathering user metadata.

How about 8 hours?

156 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:25:12am

re: #105 CuriousLurker

For all that we users collectively bitch about Big Data that we voluntarily give up, and duly forget how powerful connections between our networks can be, Nobody seems to want the other business model. the pay for service model, where ads would not be paying our online bills for us.

If I set up a pay for play email service that respects users privacy, would they beat a path to my online door? Probably not.

157 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:25:40am

I think though activism is the same as it’s always been. You’ve got some people who genuinely do a good job repping their cause and others who don’t. It’s just we’re more aware of the latter due to the growth in social media.

158 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:26:15am

re: #25 Pie-onist Overlord

We elected a deceatfull president #p2 #uniteblue #tcot #lnyhbt #teaparty pic.twitter.com/xRkiyL9lHE
— Leyla (@MiamiLib) February 11, 2014

I know. Good thing he couldn’t run for another term again when Obama got elected.

159 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:26:57am
160 Testy Toad T  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:27:06am

re: #156 Political Atheist

For all that we users collectively bitch about Big Data that we voluntarily give up, and duly forget how powerful connections between our networks can be, Nobody seems to want the other business model. the pay for service model, where ads would not be paying our online bills for us.

If I set up a pay for play email service that respects users privacy, would they beat a path to my online door? Probably not.

Well, people like to collectively bitch about it because it’s easy and sort of self-righteously fulfilling. Approximately nobody honestly actually factually cares.

As we’ve seen, even the patron saints of dudebroism are more than willing to live in, and relocate to, so-called surveillance states.

161 b.d.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:27:44am

The dudebros could send a message about online surveillance by staying logged off for an entire day.

162 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:28:00am

re: #145 Lidane

Rebranding!

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That GOP rebranding is just steamrollin’ along, ain’t it?

These people have their heads so far up their collective asses there’s no words in the English language to describe it.

Please proceed, RWNJ’s. At the rate they’re going, the GOP will be finished as a national party by 2020 at the latest.

163 klys  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:28:44am

re: #161 b.d.

The dudebros could send a message about online surveillance by staying logged off for an entire day.

They don’t want to do that because the Internet is their right. They want all of the advantages without having to give up anything.

164 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:28:46am

US Embassy in Uganda Warns of Terror Threat

abcnews.go.com

“The embassy said in a statement it has information indicating that “a group of attackers is possibly in place and ready to strike targets inside Kampala in February or March.”

“One of the targets is the national museum, the statement said, warning U.S. citizens to avoid that site and other crowded public places or events.

“Ugandan police have issued many terror alerts over the past year, warning that the al-Qaida-linked Somali militants of al-Shabab may be plotting an attack similar to the assault last September on an upscale mall in the Kenyan capital. At least 67 people were killed in that attack.”

165 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:29:08am

re: #159 lawhawk

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Never have I seen someone’s prospects be as weird as Christie’s has been. He goes from being a sweetheart of the GOP to a scapegoat when he embraced Obama during Sandy to a sweetheart again after winning in a landslide and now there’s this. I think even without this scandal, he faced a rough road to the GOP nomination but now I think it’s even more harder.

166 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:29:44am

Mental health break from the stupid:

167 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:30:05am

re: #154 HappyWarrior

I think some activists do a lot of good. We wouldn’t have seen the growth we’ve seen in support for ssm and marijuana being legalized if all activists were a bunch of self-righteous boors.

That’s a good example. I think the difference is the tactics. A generic protest that involves marching, chanting slogans or retweeting something is very unlikely to get anything done. Getting things on the ballot, getting out the vote or whatever is much more productive. I think too many people get caught up in the act of protesting and the symbolic gestures that they overlook the part about actually getting things done.

168 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:30:19am

re: #166 Lidane

Mental health break from the stupid:

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Aww I’ve never seen that type of mutt before. Cute dog.

169 abolitionist  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:31:30am

Uh oh— Biggest DDoS ever aimed at Cloudflare’s content delivery network

Network Time Protocol attack reached 400Gbps.
by Sean Gallagher - Feb 11 2014, 12:12pm EST

A distributed denial-of-service attack targeting a client of the content delivery network Cloudflare reached new highs in malicious traffic today, striking at the company’s data centers in Europe and the US. According to a Twitter post by Cloudflare CEO Matthew Prince, the full volume of the attack exceeded 400 gigabits per second—making it the largest DDoS attack ever recorded.

The attack used Network Time Protocol (NTP) reflection [snip]

170 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:31:40am

I guess the dudebros will also be discussing this kind of thing that keeps them busy, too.

Windows Phone 8.1 leak reveals new messaging and storage settings, and more

engadget.com

But that’s OK; after all, no one deserves privacy but them.

171 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:31:49am

re: #159 lawhawk

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No worries. Cable news will just invent a new allegation later this evening and everything will be forgotten.

172 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:32:09am

re: #167 Killgore Trout

That’s a good example. I think the difference is the tactics. A generic protest that involves marching, chanting slogans or retweeting something is very unlikely to get anything done. Getting things on the ballot, getting out the vote or whatever is much more productive. I think too many people get caught up in the act of protesting and the symbolic gestures that they overlook the part about actually getting things done.

True tactics do matter for something. I think having first and second hand experience with activism involving drugs, I think the reason they’ve been successful is they’ve made their whole argument more “Marijuana smoking is an individual right and the government should stay out of it” and less “Dude I Want to smoke up a fatty and watch Aqua Teen Hunger Force.”

173 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:33:45am

re: #166 Lidane

Mental health break from the stupid:

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I fall down go ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

174 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:34:10am

The growth in SSM support needs to be in part due to the media. The media has a lot of problems but the more we’ve seen homosexual individuals as normal people who just happen to be gay, the more the country seems to see the absurdity in denying same sex couples equal rights.

175 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:35:50am

So all of this has no connection to this proposed legislation?

sensenbrenner.house.gov

Whoops found the link, and i don’t think that’s bad legislation at all.

176 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:38:16am

re: #12 Testy Toad T

Only in America can you protest by banging on the keyboard from the comfort of mom’s basement.

Heck, you don’t even need to change out of those sweatpants. Or construct a breadhelmet.

Breadhelmet.

177 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:39:38am

re: #16 Dr Lizardo

OT, but here’s a small sanity break.

That’s the translation (and my editing) of the story in our local Ostrava newspaper, which is here:

moravskoslezsky.denik.cz

All the updings for bat-rescue!

178 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:41:09am

What kind of pie should I make this week? I want to try something different.

179 Kragar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:42:43am

re: #178 Pie-onist Overlord

What kind of pie should I make this week? I want to try something different.

Key Lime

180 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:43:17am

re: #178 Pie-onist Overlord

What kind of pie should I make this week? I want to try something different.

Banana cream.

181 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:44:27am

re: #179 Kragar

Key Lime

Eated already.

182 A Mom Anon  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:44:39am

re: #178 Pie-onist Overlord
Chocolate Hazelnut? Banana Caramel Cream?

183 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:45:03am

re: #180 wrenchwench

Banana cream.

I don’t like bananas. Or coconut.

Almond cream would be interesting though.

184 jaunte  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:45:04am

re: #178 Pie-onist Overlord

Papayas are in season.

185 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:45:23am

re: #54 Pie-onist Overlord

The point is that we hardly ever see non-Dudebro moonbats anymore.

And I suppose you want to put “non-Dudebro moonbats” on one of yer “endangered species” lists, don’t you, libtard? #noglobalwarming #lyhnbft #stewardoftheearthmeanskilleatstuffmountdrillwasteforjebus

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186 Stanley Sea  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:45:27am

re: #178 Pie-onist Overlord

What kind of pie should I make this week? I want to try something different.

Rhubarb.

187 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:46:12am

Not Building Confidence at All

FBI agent Kevin Kelley was investigating Muslims in the San Francisco Bay Area in 2004 when he checked the wrong box on a terrorism form, erroneously placing Rahinah Ibrahim on the no-fly list.

What happened next was the real shame. Instead of admitting to the error, high-ranking President Barack Obama administration officials spent years covering it up. Attorney General Eric Holder, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, and a litany of other government officials claimed repeatedly that disclosing the reason Ibrahim was detained, or even acknowledging that she’d been placed on a watch list, would cause serious damage to the U.S. national security. Again and again they asserted the so-called “state secrets privilege” to block the 48-year-old woman’s lawsuit, which sought only to clear her name.

Holder went so far as to tell the judge presiding over the case that this assertion of the state secrets privilege was fully in keeping with Obama’s much-ballyhooed 2009 executive branch reforms of the privilege, which stated the administration would invoke state secrets sparingly.

188 Kragar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:46:29am

re: #183 Pie-onist Overlord

I don’t like bananas. Or coconut.

Almond cream would be interesting though.

Chicken Pot

189 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:46:52am

IT’S VALENTINE’S DAY.

Must make a special Valentine pie. Strawberry custard?

190 jaunte  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:47:04am

re: #188 Kragar

It’s so hard to get them to smoke.

191 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:47:26am

re: #189 Pie-onist Overlord

IT’S VALENTINE’S DAY.

Must make a special Valentine pie. Strawberry custard?

That sounds good and unique.

192 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:47:36am

My bro may be a dude, but he’s not 100% dudebro. He linked to this on FB.

I Took Off My Hijab
By adding more layers. A knit hat and scarf around my neck to be exact.

I didn’t understand what was happening at first. People started talking to me more. Women would speak to me like I knew them since forever. Men looked at me like I was actually approachable. And I was made to feel like I was actually from this planet.

Maybe I was finally fitting in? Maybe I was no longer self conscious about my unique dress code and a face lacking makeup?

[…]

I found this realization absolutely hilarious. And entertaining. I started paying more attention to the difference in the way people treated me. It was fun feeling like everyone around me believed I belonged in their culture by default, and not as part of the begrudgingly adopted diversity piece of the pie. It was a good feeling. I secretly started looking forward to venturing out into the cold to further explore what it meant to be “normal.”

I became even more confident walking in my city. My city. All the stares were not racially related anymore. I was addressed as “lady” and “little lady,” something I had never heard before. Men would hold doors for me. Women would crack jokes with me. I became respectable, lovable, and accepted.

But did that mean that *with* hijab I am not as respectable? I am not as lovable? I cannot be accepted? I immediately began to despise the inequality, and it dawned on me that I acted like someone who was bullied for years, and finally was accepted by the mean girls, having been alluded that the mean girls became nice to everyone. I was duped. When in fact nothing had changed, and I had simply crossed over to another world for one season.

[…]

193 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:47:51am

re: #188 Kragar

Chicken Pot

Not legal here. Well chicken is, the pot isn’t.

194 Kragar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:49:13am

re: #190 jaunte

It’s so hard to get them to smoke.

Youtube Video

195 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:49:21am

re: #167 Killgore Trout

That’s a good example. I think the difference is the tactics. A generic protest that involves marching, chanting slogans or retweeting something is very unlikely to get anything done. Getting things on the ballot, getting out the vote or whatever is much more productive. I think too many people get caught up in the act of protesting and the symbolic gestures that they overlook the part about actually getting things done.

Thus one reason ACORN had to be crushed at all costs.

196 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:50:24am

re: #178 Pie-onist Overlord

What kind of pie should I make this week? I want to try something different.

Grape?

197 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:51:24am

re: #120 Charles Johnson

Looks like the only external resource on the NSA’s site is Google Analytics.

Emphasis added.

198 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:54:05am

re: #144 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I was just noticing all the Facebook and twitter supporters. This whole thing sums up modern activism. It’s not meant to actually accomplish anything, nobody’s going to change anything including their own behavior. It’s a pointless display to give the protesters a sense of self worth and satisfaction. The target of the protests are completely unworried. It’s just a show and everybody will forget next week when a celebrity wears and ugly dress or tweets something offensive. Lather, rinse, repeat.

I think most protests have gone the way of letter-writing campaigns to save TV shows: they used to work, but now they’re discounted and in many cases expected.

It’s the unexpected or odd protests that may have traction.

Like OWS.

199 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:54:32am

re: #145 Lidane

They seem nice…

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200 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:55:11am

I can make a cheesecake with a strawberry/raspberry/cherry topping.

201 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:55:43am

re: #200 Pie-onist Overlord

I can make a cheesecake with a strawberry/raspberry/cherry topping.

THIS!

202 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:55:46am

re: #161 b.d.

The dudebros could send a message about online surveillance by staying logged off for an entire day.

Unpossible!

203 darthstar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:57:45am

re: #159 lawhawk

I just like that it was a question on peoples’ minds for 24 hours. After all the bullshit Republicans spread about anything - like Obamacare - that gets enough attention people believe it even after it’s debunked, one of them is getting a taste of his own medicine.

Yeah, Christie’s suffering gives me a little joy. May it be long and slow.

204 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:58:56am

re: #189 Pie-onist Overlord

IT’S VALENTINE’S DAY.

Must make a special Valentine pie. Strawberry custard?

Strawberry-rhubarb.

205 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:59:39am

re: #203 darthstar

I just like that it was a question on peoples’ minds for 24 hours. After all the bullshit Republicans spread about anything - like Obamacare - that gets enough attention people believe it even after it’s debunked, one of them is getting a taste of his own medicine.

Yeah, Christie’s suffering gives me a little joy. May it be long and slow.

That, however, is probably not what is best for New Jersey and the rest of the country.

206 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:00:33pm
207 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:02:28pm

More right wing women’s outreach:

208 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:03:21pm

re: #198 chadu

I think most protests have gone the way of letter-writing campaigns to save TV shows: they used to work, but now they’re discounted and in many cases expected.

It’s the unexpected or odd protests that may have traction.

Like OWS.

OWS had a huge chance to accomplish something. Friendly national press coverage and lots of it. There are a lot of reasons why they failed but unfortunately they never got out of the “protest” part of waving signs and chanting and completely shunned the “getting stuff done” part. Maybe it was for the best but it’s always a shame to see a golden opportunity like that wasted.

209 b.d.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:04:00pm

re: #206 Lidane

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lol, never miss an opportunity to throw another one of the wingnut conspiracy theories out there.

It was a sentiment echoed by The Madison Project’s policy director Daniel Horowitz told TPM on Tuesday: “It’s almost as if McConnell and his allies are acting like the IRS with intimidation.”

210 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:04:29pm

re: #207 Lidane

More right wing women’s outreach:

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Sit down and STFU, Taranto. No one gives a flying **** what you think.

211 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:04:54pm

re: #208 Killgore Trout

Oh please. You were cheering OWS protesters getting pepper sprayed and sneering at their ideas from the start. Now you want to pretend that you saw them having an opportunity to get a message out?

Bitch plz. Try pulling the other one.

212 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:05:28pm

re: #207 Lidane

More right wing women’s outreach:

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No, asshole, they’re not. Stop blaming victims for sexual predators being sexual predators. Yes, people should be careful when they drink but STFU with this rape victims deserve it. No one is “guilty” of being raped. So sick of this fucked up attitude from the right. Taranto can go fuck himself. Fucking sexist piece of right wing shit.

213 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:05:53pm

re: #203 darthstar

If I’m an investigator, I’d be wanting every t crossed and every I dotted. This is all part of being thorough.

What’s interesting is the developing battle of the subpoenas by Kelly and her lawyer’s claims that the investigators aren’t entitled to them because of the 5th Amendment.

Meanwhile, Christie’s campaign (which separately received subpoenas) can use campaign funds for the legal costs associated with the investigation.

214 b.d.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:06:10pm

re: #198 chadu

I think most protests have gone the way of letter-writing campaigns to save TV shows: they used to work, but now they’re discounted and in many cases expected.

It’s the unexpected or odd protests that may have traction.

Like OWS.

NSA, QUIT SPYING ON ME AND BRING BACK JERICHO

215 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:06:44pm

re: #210 Dr Lizardo

Sit down and STFU, Taranto. No one gives a flying **** what you think.

I wouldn’t be upset if some woman smacked him literally for saying that. What a fucked up thing to say. I don’t know what is about conservatives and thinking some how people deserve to be raped. No one does. Outside of murdering someone, I think it’s about the worst thing you can to do someone.

216 darthstar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:06:54pm

re: #205 Feline Fearless Leader

That, however, is probably not what is best for New Jersey and the rest of the country.

Well. New Jersey is kind of screwed because he picked a Sarah Palin wannabe as his Lt. Governor, so even if he did step down they’d be stuck with a mess.

217 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:07:57pm
218 darthstar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:08:01pm

re: #213 lawhawk

If I’m an investigator, I’d be wanting every t crossed and every I dotted. This is all part of being thorough.

What’s interesting is the developing battle of the subpoenas by Kelly and her lawyer’s claims that the investigators aren’t entitled to them because of the 5th Amendment.

Meanwhile, Christie’s campaign (which separately received subpoenas) can use campaign funds for the legal costs associated with the investigation.

That kind of puts a damper on fund raising…people don’t want to give money to a legal defense.

219 Interesting Times  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:09:20pm

re: #207 Lidane

More right wing women’s outreach:

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No surprise there. James Taranto is the same misogynist douche who suggested women saved by their boyfriends during the Aurora CO shooting weren’t “worthy of the sacrifice”

220 darthstar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:09:37pm

What’s going on at Stanford? Suspicious backpack?

221 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:09:40pm

re: #208 Killgore Trout

OWS had a huge chance to accomplish something. Friendly national press coverage and lots of it. There are a lot of reasons why they failed but unfortunately they never got out of the “protest” part of waving signs and chanting and completely shunned the “getting stuff done” part. Maybe it was for the best but it’s always a shame to see a golden opportunity like that wasted.

Holy shit, KT, that’s the most measured response on OWS I’ve ever seen out of you.

Have an upding, and I’ll read more closely henceforth.

222 Ian G.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:09:52pm

re: #206 Lidane

I love the smell of napalm in the morning.

223 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:10:56pm

re: #219 Interesting Times

No surprise there. James Taranto is the same misogynist douche who suggested women saved by their boyfriends during the Aurora CO shooting weren’t “worthy of the sacrifice”

How the hell does this guy have a column?

224 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:12:33pm

re: #215 HappyWarrior

I wouldn’t be upset if some woman smacked him literally for saying that. What a fucked up thing to say. I don’t know what is about conservatives and thinking some how people deserve to be raped. No one does. Outside of murdering someone, I think it’s about the worst thing you can to do someone.

Heh. Once in a class, a young male student here chose to express a similar sentiment to that expressed by Mr. Taranto. One of my other students, a young lady named Lenka, chose to express her opposition to his opinion by getting out of her seat, walking up to him and punching him right in the face. She then berated him (in Czech) for about three minutes for being a sexist asshole, and informed him she didn’t cotton to such remarks because her older sister had been brutally raped.

He apologized to Lenka for being an asshole.

225 Interesting Times  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:12:41pm

re: #223 HappyWarrior

How the hell does this guy have a column?

Because Rupert Murdoch owns the WSJ and knows his audience.

226 Ian G.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:12:47pm

re: #208 Killgore Trout

OWS had a huge chance to accomplish something. Friendly national press coverage and lots of it. There are a lot of reasons why they failed but unfortunately they never got out of the “protest” part of waving signs and chanting and completely shunned the “getting stuff done” part. Maybe it was for the best but it’s always a shame to see a golden opportunity like that wasted.

As someone who literally had a window view of the whole thing, and often spent my lunch break chatting with people in Zucotti Park, I can tell you that they couldn’t get beyond the protest thing because they had so many different and sometimes mutually contradictory goals. The dreadlocked, barefoot girl who wanted global warming ended didn’t have a lot in common with the dude in the black t-shirt and the Guy Fawkes mask who wanted the Federal Reserve abolished.

227 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:13:12pm

re: #223 HappyWarrior

How the hell does this guy have a column?

The same reason that Erick Erickson has a radio show.

228 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:14:05pm

O/T

For those Lizardim who engage with the “Dems are the real racists, cf Civil War and Civil Rights/Affirmative Action” —

Has anyone ever addressed these folks on what could have possibly changed these hypothetical Democrats from thinking blah people had zero rights to thinking they had more and better rights?

Or are the ante- and post-bellum racist beliefs the same thing? How or how not?

Use the included #2 pencil to show your work.

229 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:14:19pm

re: #224 Dr Lizardo

Heh. Once in a class, a young male student here chose to express a similar sentiment. One of my other students, a young lady named Lenka, chose to express her opposition to his opinion by getting out of her seat, walking up to him and punching him right in the face. She then berated him (in Czech) for about three minutes for being a sexist asshole, and informed him she didn’t cotton to such remarks because her older sister had been brutally raped.

He apologized to Lenka for being an asshole.

I don’t blame her. Really, I don’t know when this attitude came that “Women who get drunk are as guilty as the men who rape them.” came about but I’m so sick of it. I’ve been drunk before- I’ve been around really drunk girls before. When I was told no, I accepted no and if I had tried to do anything, I would have been totally in the wrong.

230 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:15:08pm

re: #227 Pie-onist Overlord

The same reason that Erick Erickson has a radio show.

That was rhetorical honestly but yeah really what the hell is wrong with James Taranto.

231 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:16:19pm

re: #225 Interesting Times

Because Rupert Murdoch owns the WSJ and knows his audience.

Yeah bitter right wingers who hate anyone who isn’t a chaste white Christian right winger.

232 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:18:38pm

re: #226 Ian G.

And the ongoing battle between different OWS parties continues to this day, including over the “ownership” of the twitter feed and who started the OWS movement.

Lots of petty nonsense, and my sense of going through and photographing the park on a regular basis found so many mixed messages and contrasting styles that it was a wonder they lasted as long as they did before they got extracted from the Park. They also had the entire gamut of groups protesting there - from anarchists and libertarians to End the Fed and those who wanted to reform the system, reinstitute Glass Steagall and those who were just pushing conspiracy theories and getting attention simply by latching on to the scene there.

233 klys  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:18:44pm

re: #220 darthstar

What’s going on at Stanford? Suspicious backpack?

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At Tresidder (student union-type place, where I got lunch pretty much every day).

I’ve had three e-mails so far today from their emergency alert system.

234 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:19:54pm

O/T:

Helluva typo* for my new book…

amazon.com

$999.11 + $3.99 shipping for a used copy.

* First egotistical crazy-thought was “They like me! They really, really like me!”

235 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:20:24pm

re: #233 klys

stanford.edu

Police are conducting an investigation of a suspicious package near Tresidder Union. They have closed the immediate area including Tresidder, Old Union, Dinkelspiel and other buildings to investigate. People are asked to stay away from the immediate area out of an abundance of caution.

Link to their emergency response/notification system:
emergency.stanford.edu

236 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:21:32pm

re: #208 Killgore Trout

Do you really think everyone here has forgotten?

237 klys  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:24:03pm

re: #235 lawhawk

stanford.edu

Link to their emergency response/notification system:
emergency.stanford.edu

The added bonus 4th e-mail which went out before all of this is that there have been 4 thefts of Hondas on campus over the last month or so.

238 b.d.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:26:17pm

re: #234 chadu

O/T:

Helluva typo* for my new book…

amazon.com

$999.11 + $3.99 shipping for a used copy.

* First egotistical crazy-thought was “They like me! They really, really like me!”

Made sure my cursor was as far away from the Buy with 1 Click! button as I could get.

:P

239 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:27:09pm

re: #207 Lidane

That is revolting, even for a conservative columnist. He’s justifying and minimizing rape, presumably because he sees raping those too drunk to consent as an acceptable model for sex.

Blech.

240 Slap  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:31:18pm

re: #200 Pie-onist Overlord

If you’d ever consider a savory pie, I’d recommend Vidalia (or other sweet) onion pie.

Like a quiche — sautee 3-4 large sliced onions until caramelized (whatever method you’d prefer), pour into a prepared pie shell, add swiss (or other), then a simple milk/egg custard. Bake until set.

I love sweet and/or caramelized onions, so it’s a winner for me. YMMV.

(Serve with a nice green salad!)

241 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:31:52pm

re: #239 EPR-radar

That is revolting, even for a conservative columnist. He’s justifying and minimizing rape, presumably because he sees raping those too drunk to consent as an acceptable model for sex.

Blech.

Yep. The world according to James “Mr. Goodbar” Taranto.

242 A Mom Anon  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:34:18pm

re: #239 EPR-radar

Someone has problems with women, period, end of discussion. Actually it reads to me like seething hatred. If this was a sane country, he’d be ostracized and driven out of polite society and publicly shamed forever. Asshole, I hope he gets blazing hemorrhoids that no amount of Preparation H can relieve.

243 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:35:20pm
244 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:35:37pm

OBAMA TIME-TRAVELED TO CONFISCATE TEH GUNZ!!!1!!!!!

245 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:38:42pm
246 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:39:37pm

re: #242 A Mom Anon

Someone has problems with women, period, end of discussion. Actually it reads to me like seething hatred. If this was a sane country, he’d be ostracized and driven out of polite society and publicly shamed forever. Asshole, I hope he gets blazing hemorrhoids that no amount of Preparation H can relieve.

This is a bigger issue that just Taranto. The US hard right is steadily getting more unreasonable about women on many fronts. Approving of wage inequality, fostering rape culture, and incessant abortion legislation, to name three of many, is a toxic mixture of frankly evil policy positions.

The War on women by the right is a simple fact, but like many truths these days it is dismissed as simply being part of the “Democrats say —- Republicans say” narrative.

247 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:40:43pm

re: #178 Pie-onist Overlord

What kind of pie should I make this week? I want to try something different.

Well, there’s always peanut butter. Not the one that’s basically peanut butter cheesecake. instead the one that’s

a) prebaked pie shell
a1) (optional) thin layer of chocolate ganache
b) half filled with peanut butter creamed with sugar (about 1:1 ratio)
c) finished filling with an egg yolk custard
d) completed with a meringue using the whites left from the custard.

248 b.d.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:41:36pm

re: #245 NJDhockeyfan

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My yacht! I hope my other ones are ok!

249 A Mom Anon  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:41:56pm

re: #246 EPR-radar

Taranto wouldn’t be able to have a platform for this fucked in the head shit without a culture that continues to devalue women. And honestly, women cannot fix this alone. Men have to zone in on this shit and fight it just as hard as women have had to.

250 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:44:14pm
251 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:44:32pm

re: #249 A Mom Anon

Taranto wouldn’t be able to have a platform for this fucked in the head shit without a culture that continues to devalue women. And honestly, women cannot fix this alone. Men have to zone in on this shit and fight it just as hard as women have had to.

Yeah, all too true. If I’d been on that segment with Taranto, my first reaction would’ve been, “Seriously? Why don’t you just straight up go fuck yourself.”

252 klys  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:45:08pm

re: #235 lawhawk

stanford.edu

Link to their emergency response/notification system:
emergency.stanford.edu

Building is now being slowly reopened.

253 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:45:12pm

re: #238 b.d.

Made sure my cursor was as far away from the Buy with 1 Click! button as I could get.

:P

Good job! ;)

254 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:45:14pm

DON’T FORGET SLAVE-OWNING…

255 Testy Toad T  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:46:10pm

“Bible-clinging” is ABSOLUTELY how I’d refer to such people as Thomas Jefferson.

Fr srsly. Totes Mcgoats.

Great job, Dale.

256 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:46:51pm

re: #244 Pie-onist Overlord

OBAMA TIME-TRAVELED TO CONFISCATE TEH GUNZ!!!1!!!!!

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Frickin’ Time Lords Vulcans Democrats.

257 Iwouldprefernotto  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:47:06pm

re: #254 Pie-onist Overlord

DON’T FORGET SLAVE-OWNING…

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Except Jefferson cut of the bible the parts he didn’t like…

258 Testy Toad T  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:47:08pm

I wonder how the framers of the Constitution could support the Second Amendment that didn’t come into existence for another two years.

259 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:48:14pm

re: #254 Pie-onist Overlord

DON’T FORGET SLAVE-OWNING…

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gun-toting, because obviously everyone in that painting is carrying (they’re just concealed.)

260 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:48:18pm

HURR HURRRR!!!!

261 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:51:28pm

re: #249 A Mom Anon

Taranto wouldn’t be able to have a platform for this fucked in the head shit without a culture that continues to devalue women. And honestly, women cannot fix this alone. Men have to zone in on this shit and fight it just as hard as women have had to.

Men do need to step up and do the right thing, but since women can vote, they actually can single-handedly drive this crap to the political margins by abandoning the GOP en masse. That’s the really stupid thing about the GOP war on women.

If Hillary Clinton ends up with the (D) nomination, I expect a tsunami of misogyny from the right, the likes of which has never before been seen.

If that ends up mortally wounding the GOP by further widening the gender gap, the punishment would truly fit the crime.

262 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:52:39pm

re: #250 Charles Johnson

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It’s like early Valentine’s Day!

263 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:53:16pm

Wingnuts totally freaking the fuck out over this:

264 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:54:38pm

re: #263 Pie-onist Overlord

Why? Because the dogs are better behaved than the pooh flinging right wingers?

265 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:55:08pm

re: #261 EPR-radar

If Hillary Clinton ends up with the (D) nomination, I expect a tsunami of misogyny from the right, the likes of which has never before been seen.

“Usul, we have wormsign misogyny the likes of which even God has never seen.”

266 Testy Toad T  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:55:13pm

re: #263 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts totally freaking the fuck out over this:

HOW CAN WE BE RACE-DOGIST THAT DOG IS ONLY HALF BLACK!!!!!1

267 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:56:45pm

re: #254 Pie-onist Overlord

Many of them were gun-toting, yes, because (1) there weren’t any fcking police forces and (2) there weren’t any fcking McDonald’s and Burger Kings on every fcking block.

But I wouldn’t call the Founders RWNJ. They were much more rational than that.

268 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:56:51pm

HURR HURRRR!!!!

269 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:57:29pm

re: #268 Pie-onist Overlord

Obama has destroyed the real world. Even without FEMA death camp trailers?

270 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:57:57pm

re: #255 Testy Toad T

“Bible-clinging” is ABSOLUTELY how I’d refer to such people as Thomas Jefferson.

Fr srsly. Totes Mcgoats.

Great job, Dale.

He clung (clang?) so hard, he rewrote the New Testament.

271 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:57:59pm

HURR HURRR HURRRRRR!!!1!!!!!

272 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:59:32pm

re: #265 Dr Lizardo

“Usul, we have wormsign misogyny the likes of which even God has never seen.”

Welcome to Larrytown!

Youtube Video

273 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:00:22pm
274 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:01:39pm

re: #273 Pie-onist Overlord

You could warn us that the link goes to Gateway Pundit. //

275 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:02:39pm

HURR HURR!!! WE’RE TOO CHEAP TO PAY FOR A GRAPHICS DESIGNER SO WE HAVE OUR FANBOYS MAKE IT FOR US FOR FREE!!!!!

276 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:02:45pm
277 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:03:06pm

re: #274 Bulworth

You could warn us that the link goes to Gateway Pundit. //

Now you know why America Suffers.

278 Kragar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:03:13pm

I see the latest Bitcoin crash has caused them to loose 80% of their value.

279 b.d.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:03:58pm

re: #271 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURRR HURRRRRR!!!1!!!!!

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I made the mistake of reading the comments over at Glenn’s new site.

Ugh. A mixture of 9/11Troofers, people who believe Obama and the democrats are some combination of either the Nazis or socialists (depending on your political leanings), people calling anyone who disagrees a paid NSA troll, etc.

What a mess.

280 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:04:15pm

re: #278 Kragar

Thanks, Obama!!

281 A Mom Anon  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:04:18pm

re: #273 Pie-onist Overlord

OFFS. My mom’s little maltese dog wears a little necklace style collar that cost her a whopping 15 dollars at Petco. These fucking people need a freaking life. Can you imagine living with them every day? Ack.

282 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:05:15pm

re: #278 Kragar

I see the latest Bitcoin crash has caused them to loose 80% of their value.

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Before long we will see ragged, destitute dudebros standing by the road with signs, “WILL DERP FOR FOOD.”

283 Kragar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:05:36pm

re: #281 A Mom Anon

OFFS. My mom’s little maltese dog wears a little necklace style collar that cost her a whopping 15 dollars at Petco. These fucking people need a freaking life. Can you imagine living with them every day? Ack.

“Its shiny! It must be real diamonds!”

284 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:05:46pm

re: #281 A Mom Anon

OFFS. My mom’s little maltese dog wears a little necklace style collar that cost her a whopping 15 dollars at Petco. These fucking people need a freaking life. Can you imagine living with them every day? Ack.

HURR HURR!!!!! THEY HAVE A DOG DINING ROOM SET & DOG CHINA SERVICE TO FEED THERE DOGS WHILE ME & MY FAMILY EAT CHICK FIL-A ON STYROFOAM1!!!!!!

285 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:06:09pm


Stupid response, though. If people lose their jobs over a couple of bucks, their bosses should never get another Federal contract, IMHO.

286 b.d.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:06:27pm

Bitcoin crash is gold’s gain

One born every minute.

marketwatch.com

287 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:06:34pm

re: #261 EPR-radar

Men do need to step up and do the right thing, but since women can vote, they actually can single-handedly drive this crap to the political margins by abandoning the GOP en masse. That’s the really stupid thing about the GOP war on women.

If Hillary Clinton ends up with the (D) nomination, I expect a tsunami of misogyny from the right, the likes of which has never before been seen.

If that ends up mortally wounding the GOP by further widening the gender gap, the punishment would truly fit the crime.

On the one hand the exposure of the racism of large swaths of this nation in consequence of electing a black president has been painful. On the other hand the exposure is forcing us to see it and decide where we stand. And while you won’t realize it looking at the noise-makers, the reality is that there’s a lot of rejection of that position in the general public. In the long run it’ll help clean up the problem. (not eliminate it, just remind people why we have these sorts of laws on the books.)

I expect the same sort of thing when a woman gets elected president, regardless of whom and when. Bluntly it’s been present when women have become governors, it’ll just be louder and without cover of “oh it’s just them over there”. It won’t be fun. It will in the long run, however, be good.

Or so i believe.

288 A Mom Anon  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:06:57pm

And now gas stations are running out of gas down here. Seriously people? The ice will be gone by Friday. I’ll say it again: Idiots.

289 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:07:41pm

re: #286 b.d.

One born every minute.

marketwatch.com

Out of the fire, back into the pan……

290 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:08:37pm

re: #281 A Mom Anon

These are the people you see at Teabag Party rallies on city streets holding large signs, cursing at passersby.

291 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:11:35pm

re: #288 A Mom Anon

And now gas stations are running out of gas down here. Seriously people? The ice will be gone by Friday. I’ll say it again: Idiots.

Lubbock always has a big run on grocery stores when bad weather is forecast, as though the locals expect the creek to rise and strand the supply wagons till next spring and force the teamsters to eat their oxen. Either that or they think Obama will incite a Comanche uprising to cut the trail completely.

292 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:12:26pm

So the phone screen I had today happened early. She called about 2:40 and we talked for about 20 minutes. I thought it went well. She just asked basic screening questions, wanting me to talk about some of my previous positions, my education, and to rate some of my skills. I also had the dreaded salary conversation and told her I could start as soon as they made a decision.

As it turns out, not only do they have the Biz Dev position I applied for, but they’ve also got an open Account Executive role that’s more my speed since it’s more about account management than straight sales. I asked about it and she said the same manager is hiring for both, so I asked if I could be considered for both or if I had to send a second application. She said she’d make a note that I was open to either job.

I should know in the next day or two if they want me to come in for an interview. The latest I’d have an answer is in a week. Here’s hoping.

293 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:13:33pm

re: #292 Lidane

So the phone screen I had today happened early. She called about 2:40 and we talked for about 20 minutes. I thought it went well. She just asked basic screening questions, wanting me to talk about some of my previous positions, my education, and to rate some of my skills. I also had the dreaded salary conversation and told her I could start as soon as they made a decision.

As it turns out, not only do they have the Biz Dev position I applied for, but they’ve also got an open Account Executive role that’s more my speed since it’s more about account management than straight sales. I asked about it and she said the same manager is hiring for both, so I asked if I could be considered for both or if I had to send a second application. She said she’d make a note that I was open to either job.

I should know in the next day or two if they want me to come in for an interview. The latest I’d have an answer is in a week. Here’s hoping.

Now they can hire you to do both jobs on a single job salary.
:D

294 EmmaAnne  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:13:35pm

re: #46 Pie-onist Overlord

Charles, maybe you can change the “Moonbats” category for the pages dropdown list to “Dudebros”? “Moonbats” has become obsolete and we have so much more use for “Dudebro.”

Thanks. :)

I don’t think that is true. What about PETA and Code Pink? They aren’t dudebros.

295 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:13:38pm

re: #221 chadu

Heh, Were you around when I was covering Occupy LA and scored a pretty good interview for a Youtube video?

Youtube Video

296 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:14:03pm

Greenwald, trying to get ahead of what everyone is thinking.

297 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:14:32pm

Fortunately it will warm up here this weekend, into the 70s in fact. I hope my 50 lb coffee stash will last.

298 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:15:48pm

re: #296 Justanotherhuman

Greenwald, trying to get ahead of what everyone is thinking.

“I am not arguing that Snowden or his allies are conscious Russian agents. But…” - that is funny.

Of course not, he was obviously asleep when he fled to Russia and gave the Kremlin all those secret documents.

299 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:15:57pm

re: #293 Feline Fearless Leader

Now they can hire you to do both jobs on a single job salary.
:D

Then it would be exactly like my last job. =P

300 b.d.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:16:06pm

What the hell were all of these Dudebros doing for the past few months?

Nice little outfit you got going there Pierre, full of a bunch of competent folks.

301 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:16:32pm

re: #292 Lidane

So the phone screen I had today happened early. She called about 2:40 and we talked for about 20 minutes. I thought it went well. She just asked basic screening questions, wanting me to talk about some of my previous positions, my education, and to rate some of my skills. I also had the dreaded salary conversation and told her I could start as soon as they made a decision.

As it turns out, not only do they have the Biz Dev position I applied for, but they’ve also got an open Account Executive role that’s more my speed since it’s more about account management than straight sales. I asked about it and she said the same manager is hiring for both, so I asked if I could be considered for both or if I had to send a second application. She said she’d make a note that I was open to either job.

I should know in the next day or two if they want me to come in for an interview. The latest I’d have an answer is in a week. Here’s hoping.

I think you might have one. : ) Fingers will be kept crossed.

302 Jack Burton  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:16:35pm

re: #294 EmmaAnne

I don’t think that is true. What about PETA and Code Pink? They aren’t dudebros.

Yes, just add Dudebros separately. Just because Moonbats haven’t been on the radar much recently doesn’t mean they went away. Dudebros and Wingnuts are just far more annoying, vocal, and visible at the moment.

303 Kragar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:17:05pm

re: #292 Lidane

I’ve got 2 recruiters who said they put me in for positions, and I’ve been applying to 3-5 positions a week for about the last month, but so far, nothing back.

Its very frustrating.

304 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:17:11pm

re: #294 EmmaAnne

I don’t think that is true. What about PETA and Code Pink? They aren’t dudebros.

They are the only moonbats left, it’s not like they need their own category.

305 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:17:41pm

306 Kragar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:18:09pm

re: #305 Charles Johnson

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Those are some Hungy, Hungry Hippos.

307 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:18:24pm

re: #300 b.d.

What the hell were all of these Dudebros doing for the past few months?

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Nice little outfit you got going there Pierre, full of a bunch of competent folks.

Starting out like HuffBlo—free schlub labor who are glad to let GG & Co have all the coin.

308 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:18:53pm

re: #304 Pie-onist Overlord

They are the only moonbats left, it’s not like they need their own category.

I think a couple of wild specimens were spotted in a remote area of Marin County just last week.

309 b.d.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:18:59pm

re: #305 Charles Johnson

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The hippos are hungry. Oh so hungry.

310 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:19:06pm

re: #272 chadu

Welcome to Larrytown!

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LOL

There’s a fanedit of “Dune” out there floating around in the ether that’s actually damned good. It adheres much more faithfully to the novel than David Lynch’s film did, for the most part.

311 Ian G.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:19:47pm

re: #286 b.d.

One born every minute.

marketwatch.com

Speaking of that:

scary 1929 market chart gains traction

Yeah, and I can fit a photo of the Teton Range quite nicely in there too. It means….I dunno, sell all of your investments and go become a park ranger!

312 Jack Burton  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:20:03pm

re: #305 Charles Johnson

The Hunger Never Stops

313 abolitionist  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:20:14pm

re: #255 Testy Toad T

“Bible-clinging” is ABSOLUTELY how I’d refer to such people as Thomas Jefferson.

Fr srsly. Totes Mcgoats.

Great job, Dale.

You seem to know little of Jefferson’s treatment of his bible.

314 Testy Toad T  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:20:45pm

re: #311 Ian G.

Speaking of that:

scary 1929 market chart gains traction

Yeah, and I can fit a photo of the Teton Range quite nicely in there too. It means….I dunno, sell all of your investments and go become a park ranger!

Jesus H. Christ.

Economics. You are not science.

315 Kragar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:20:48pm

re: #286 b.d.

One born every minute.

marketwatch.com

I’ll stick with solid investments like tulip bulbs, thank you very much.

316 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:20:53pm

re: #308 Shiplord Kirel

I think a couple of wild specimens were spotted in a remote area of Marin County just last week.

There’s this meme that the wingnuts like to Tweet.

317 b.d.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:22:04pm

I’ve converted all of my Bitcoins over to Beanie Babies.

318 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:22:27pm

re: #300 b.d.

What the hell were all of these Dudebros doing for the past few months?

Nice little outfit you got going there Pierre, full of a bunch of competent folks.

NSA goes professional and starts hiring cats.

319 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:22:51pm

re: #303 Kragar

I’ve got 2 recruiters who said they put me in for positions, and I’ve been applying to 3-5 positions a week for about the last month, but so far, nothing back.

Its very frustrating.

Tell me about it. My LinkedIn and Joibvite histories are a long line of applications since last October.

What kills me is that the screener I did today was for a company I applied to over the weekend. There are companies I sent applications to weeks or even months ago that either closed the position without ever looking at anything I sent or they’re just now sending the “thanks but we’re going with someone else” form letter after 3-4 months. WTF.

320 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:24:41pm

re: #316 Pie-onist Overlord

There’s this meme that the wingnuts like to Tweet.

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So that’s who they think we are. I am about that guy’s age, and I did support Obama, but the resemblance ends there.

321 Kragar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:25:46pm

re: #319 Lidane

Tell me about it. My LinkedIn and Joibvite histories are a long line of applications since last October.

What kills me is that the screener I did today was for a company I applied to over the weekend. There are companies I sent applications to weeks or even months ago that either closed the position without ever looking at anything I sent or they’re just now sending the “thanks but we’re going with someone else” form letter after 3-4 months. WTF.

So far, I’ve only gotten one “Thanks but you’re not what we wanted” email back from anyone.

322 Kragar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:27:03pm

re: #320 Shiplord Kirel

So that’s who they think we are. I am about that guy’s age, and I did support Obama, but the resemblance ends there.

Well, I know for a fact that I’ve never worn a loincloth when I go out piping.

323 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:27:36pm

Yeah, I’m that 20-something dudebro who still hangs out at home banging away for lack of anything else to do ‘cause Mom and Dad don’t really care if I do, and I’ll be glad to contribute to this new Glenn Greenwald who-I-adore-like-no-other-for-his-awesomeness venture, and besides, he has a boyfriend to support and a nice house and all those bills, and I don’t. So, yeah, you can have whatever I can give you and not have to pay me, ever! Because I will always bow down to your awesomeness no matter how rich you get taking me for granted. Maybe he will show me how to be the next Edward Snowden! That would be so awesome I wouldn’t mind moving to Somalia if I had to.

Amen.

324 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:28:01pm
325 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:28:21pm

re: #322 Kragar

Well, I know for a fact that I’ve never worn a loincloth when I go out piping.

Have you ever been to Burning Man…

326 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:29:00pm

Pork and beans are a better investment than gold. I don’t like them much but they are at least more edible than gold if tshtf. There should be large stocks left over from Y2K. What is their shelf life anyway? Check the garage sales.

327 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:29:38pm

Husband is on his way to North Carolina, where the crews will be initially staging in Greensboro until the storm hits.

328 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:30:00pm

Sort of odd thing in relation to the job search discussion is that I’m getting solicitations about jobs via LinkedIn based on information there that is at least four years old.

I stopped updating or even responding to queries from them back then after they totally screwed up my attempt at a password update twice in three days. I have not touched the account or their site since.

329 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:30:18pm

And the ever classy, professional troll, Coultergeist says something stupid:

Ann Coulter: Obama acts like he’s from Kenya — and weed is a ‘legal retard pill’

330 b.d.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:30:21pm

HEIRLOOM SEEDS!!!!!

331 Kragar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:31:44pm

re: #325 Justanotherhuman

Have you ever been to Burning Man…

He rolled around and went out, but I had a spare can of diesel handy.

332 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:35:29pm

re: #329 Dr. Matt

But nothing wrong with alcohol. //

333 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:40:28pm

re: #327 Backwoods_Sleuth

Husband is on his way to North Carolina, where the crews will be initially staging in Greensboro until the storm hits.

I’ll forward my Dad & stepmom’s address so they can get reconnected first, if they lose power.

////

We do have a lizard (or two?) there.

334 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:42:19pm

re: #333 wrenchwench

I’ll forward my Dad & stepmom’s address so they can get reconnected first, if they lose power.

////

We do have a lizard (or two?) there.

My niece is down that way in Wilmington. But since she has been living in western NY before this I think she is finding the craziness somewhat amusing since to her snow is just something you live with in the winter.

335 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:44:42pm

OUTRAGE!

336 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:46:06pm

re: #335 Lidane

Stop persecuting us!!1 America is no more!!1!

337 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:48:48pm

re: #333 wrenchwench

I’ll forward my Dad & stepmom’s address so they can get reconnected first, if they lose power.

////

We do have a lizard (or two?) there.

heh. One of my sisters works in Greensboro and she just got out of the hospital today after emergency appendix surgery on Sunday. My 80-something mom lives with her; mom broke her hip last month and just got released from the rehab facility this afternoon. They live the next county north of Greensboro/Guilford County, just a few miles upriver from that coal ash spill on the Dan River.
Just a general FUBAR situation all around.

338 nines09  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:50:38pm

Reminds me of the confluence of Stupid and Nuts where it widens into the Massive Twits. That’s some river, bro.

339 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:55:45pm
340 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:57:02pm

re: #337 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh. One of my sisters works in Greensboro and she just got out of the hospital today after emergency appendix surgery on Sunday. My 80-something mom lives with her; mom broke her hip last month and just got released from the rehab facility this afternoon. They live the next county north of Greensboro/Guilford County, just a few miles upriver from that coal ash spill on the Dan River.
Just a general FUBAR situation all around.

Two convalescers together. Do they have help?

My 83 yr. old dad is not back to his old self yet after back surgery last September followed by a cascade of complications and a ton of familial interference bullshit. My stepmom’s taking care of him, but none of my crazy siblings trust her to do that (they’ve been married for 27 years. She’s a little nutty, but I trust her.)

341 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:57:08pm

re: #339 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thanks Obama

342 blueraven  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:59:51pm
343 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:00:27pm

re: #340 wrenchwench

Two convalescers together. Do they have help?

My 83 yr. old dad is not back to his old self yet after back surgery last September followed by a cascade of complications and a ton of familial interference bullshit. My stepmom’s taking care of him, but none of my crazy siblings trust her to do that (they’ve been married for 27 years. She’s a little nutty, but I trust her.)

Thankfully, yes, they have a couple of friends who will be helping out. Especially since the dairy goats need milking and it’s time for the new kids to be birthing. Chickens to be dealt with, dogs & cats.
My brother lives in the same area as them, but he’s absolutely hopeless.

344 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:02:07pm

Just because I think we need a laugh…

345 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:02:35pm

re: #342 blueraven

Is a “15 Minute Vote” what the MI drop into a legislature in order to panic them into paying greater attention to important items?
///

346 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:03:41pm

heh…

347 urbanmeemaw  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:06:21pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

People like Greenwald and Snowden.

348 blueraven  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:08:17pm

re: #345 Feline Fearless Leader

Is a “15 Minute Vote” what the MI drop into a legislature in order to panic them into paying greater attention to important items?
///

I am interested to see which republicans are sacrificed vote for the extension.

Will need 25 - 30 I guess, to pass it.

349 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:09:11pm

uh oh, Obama spoke FRENCH!!!!!!!

350 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:10:27pm

re: #349 Backwoods_Sleuth

uh oh, Obama spoke FRENCH!!!!!!!

Since true Americans don’t understand that last word, did he speak “Freedom” or “Traitor”?
////

351 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:10:57pm

Far left and far right meet in the Twilight Zone

i don’t care how much the issue might seem convergent, i don’t trust the motives of wingnuts

352 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:12:15pm

re: #350 Feline Fearless Leader

Since true Americans don’t understand that last word, did he speak “Freedom” or “Traitor”?
////

that’s ok they’ll think he was talking about fraternities

353 urbanmeemaw  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:13:03pm

re: #97 TedStriker

I agree. I especially like Aldi’s coffee.

354 GlutenFreeJesus  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:13:18pm

re: #254 Pie-onist Overlord

DON’T FORGET SLAVE-OWNING…

[Embedded content]

I don’t see any of them carrying! Heck, I don’t really even recall any of them having pics brandishing any guns.

But slaves on the other hand…

355 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:13:37pm

re: #352 dog philosopher

that’s ok they’ll think he was talking about fraternities

Those at Liberty University I assume.

356 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:14:54pm

re: #349 Backwoods_Sleuth

uh oh, Obama spoke FRENCH!!!!!!!

IMPEACH!!!111!

357 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:15:53pm

And just like that I got a “promoted” tweet from a group dedicated to impeaching PBO. Blocked.

358 jaunte  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:17:23pm

re: #357 Bulworth

Everyone’s got to have a ridiculous and futile hobby.

359 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:20:19pm

The old saying goes, ‘A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle’. Well, turns out, a fish needs a quadracycle.

Youtube Video

360 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:20:38pm

re: #358 jaunte

Everyone’s got to have a ridiculous and futile hobby.

Mine was being on snow watch today.

Not one damned flake has fallen here. Everywhere else, it seems. Not. Here.

361 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:21:11pm

oh, good freakin grief…

On a party-line vote, a Florida county’s Republican majority Board of County Commissioners voted Tuesday to eliminate almost one-third of Manatee County’s voting sites. The board accepted a proposal by Supervisor of Elections Mike Bennett (R) by a 6-1 vote to trim the number of precincts, despite unanimous public testimony against the move — and complaints by the lone Democratic Commissioner that it would eliminate half of the polling places in his heavily minority District 2.

362 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:22:12pm

re: #322 Kragar

Well, I know for a fact that I’ve never worn a loincloth when I go out piping.

Of course not, unless it’s ‘Formal’. A penis sheath is fine for ‘Business Casual’.

363 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:22:45pm

re: #361 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh, good freakin grief…

[Embedded content]

Do they have to wait until after an election in which someone has trouble voting to have ‘standing’ to challenge that?

364 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:23:02pm

re: #357 Bulworth

And just like that I got a “promoted” tweet from a group dedicated to impeaching PBO. Blocked.

PBO may refer to:

Lead(II) oxide (PbO)
Paraburdoo Airport, Paraburdoo, Australia (IATA airport code: PBO)
Parliamentary Budget Officer
Peterborough railway station (National Rail code: PBO)
Pine Bluff Observatory, an astronomical observatory in Wisconsin, USA
Pinoy Box Office, a Filipino cable channel
Piperonyl butoxide, a pesticide synergist
Plate Boundary Observatory PBO, a geodetic observatory in the western United States
Portland Bird Observatory, a wildlife observatory on the Isle of Portland, in Dorset, UK
Push Button Objects, a producer of experimental hip-hop
Projected benefit obligation, a specially defined pension obligation under US-GAAP
Public Benefit Organization, a type of charity or non-profit organization
Zylon, or Polybenzobisoxazole, a polymer
Packed Bohemia Object, a data file used in the war games developed by Bohemia Interactive Studio
Paperback original, a book originally published as paperback
Pin Bones Out, a type of fish fillet

365 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:23:21pm

Paul Rand Ryan a “No” for increasing debt limit.

#responsibility
#courage
#statesman
#derp

366 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:23:23pm

Shocker…

367 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:24:25pm

re: #361 Backwoods_Sleuth

Obviously all about Freedom. //

368 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:24:28pm

re: #363 wrenchwench

Do they have to wait until after an election in which someone has trouble voting to have ‘standing’ to challenge that?

from the article:

Bennett assured the commission that if lines are longer in 2014 as a result of these changes, he would ask them to revisit the decision in 2015, before the 2016 elections. But it is unclear whether voter accessibility is a sincere priority for him. In 2011, while serving in the Florida Senate, he endorsed making it hard to vote: “I wouldn’t have any problem making it harder. I would want them to vote as badly as I want to vote. I want the people of the state of Florida to want to vote as bad as that person in Africa who’s willing to walk 200 miles…This should not be easy.” He made that comment as he supported a voter suppression bill that reduced the number of days for early voting in Florida and helped create long lines across the state.

369 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:24:49pm

re: #366 Targetpractice

Shocker…

Ted Cruz threatens to filibuster clean debt limit hike:

Gopher it.

370 urbanmeemaw  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:26:07pm

re: #323 Justanotherhuman

David? David Sirota? Is that you? David?

371 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:26:58pm

re: #368 Backwoods_Sleuth

from the article:

He should be sentenced to drive voters to the polls, the grocery store, the laundromat and anywhere else they want to go for the rest of his life.

372 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:27:02pm

I want the people of the state of Florida to want to vote as bad as that person in Africa who’s willing to walk 200 miles…

I see. Minority voters will have to prove themselves suitable by walking 200 miles to the nearest polling place.

Everybody, meet the next RNC Key Note Speaker. /

373 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:28:21pm

re: #366 Targetpractice

Ted Cruz, next week:
I never filibustered or said I’d filibuster the debt limit vote.

//

374 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:28:23pm

re: #368 Backwoods_Sleuth

If I were in the business of being a GOP apologist, I would find it particularly hard to defend this business of hindering people from voting if they are from groups that usually don’t vote GOP.

This makes it very clear that the GOP has no principles at all, and is merely trying to seize the levers of power whenever and wherever it can, in order to line the pockets of its backers.

Perhaps that is why the GOP et al. is so heavily into denial. The truth isn’t pretty.

375 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:29:01pm

re: #364 dog philosopher

Uh oh

376 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:29:43pm
377 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:30:16pm

re: #374 EPR-radar

If I were in the business of being a GOP apologist, I would find it particularly hard to defend this business of hindering people from voting if they are from groups that usually don’t vote GOP.

This makes it very clear that the GOP has no principles at all, and is merely trying to seize the levers of power whenever and wherever it can, in order to line the pockets of its backers.

Perhaps that is why the GOP et al. is so heavily into denial. The truth isn’t pretty.

It’s also the only hope they have of winning elections in the future.

378 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:30:44pm

No, this isn’t news…

379 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:31:47pm

re: #361 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh, good freakin grief…

[Embedded content]

That Dem should get Justice Dept on that. It’s voter suppression, pure and simple.

380 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:32:21pm

It’s an ad. A commercial. They’re trying to sell you stuff. Worked, or would have if I were in the right country.

Youtube Video

381 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:33:42pm

re: #376 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

And like that, the debt ceiling has ceased being a bargaining chip.

382 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:34:04pm

re: #376 Backwoods_Sleuth

Obama did agree to take the missiles out of Turkey delay the employer mandate part of the ACA another year which the GOP says they hate but maybe they can claim that as their victory for the debt limit vote. //

383 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:38:09pm

re: #382 Bulworth

Obama did agree to take the missiles out of Turkey delay the employer mandate part of the ACA another year which the GOP says they hate but maybe they can claim that as their victory for the debt limit vote. //

They’re too busy bitching about the “Imperial Presidency,” when the reality is if they truly wanted to end it, they could take the matter up as a bill. But they won’t, because they know the “conservative” caucus will settle for nothing less than repeal and that would mean working with Democrats.

384 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:38:50pm

Thorp has a breakdown on his Twitter.

Here’s the House vote.

385 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:40:22pm

re: #377 wrenchwench

It’s also the only hope they have of winning elections in the future.

Exactly. The GOP has a choice between two options:

1) Stick with their current policies and lie like Hell about what they really are, and what the consequences of following them will be.

2) Change.

So far, it looks like they are stuck on option #1.

386 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:42:08pm

Two Very Serious, Fiscally Responsible Blue Dog Dems voted to default on the debt. Matheson and Barrow. Matheson at least is leaving Congress so buh bye.

387 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:42:38pm

re: #376 Backwoods_Sleuth

United States House passes clean debt ceiling bill, 217-202

freepers’ reactions still at sputtering phase

388 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:43:01pm

Both Govs O’Malley and McAuliffe have declared a state of emergency for MD and VA.

389 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:43:18pm

re: #33 Pie-onist Overlord

I think the term “moonbat” has become obsolete. “Dudebro” is current.

I can’t think of anyone any more who could be termed “moonbat” except maybe Code Pink or PETA.

The more reason to keep the distinction.

Moonbats may tend to be completely cray-cray, but dudebros have that, plus completely fucked-up views of diplomacy, law enforcement, monetary policy, and how pretty much the rest of (the US) government is supposed to work.

390 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:43:31pm

re: #387 dog philosopher

freepers’ reactions still at sputtering phase

Perhaps the talking points for this have not yet been issued. The 101st chairborne needs clear orders before it springs into action.

391 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:43:49pm

At least three of the GOP yes votes were reps from my old home state of NJ. They’re what passes for moderate in today’s TPGOP.

392 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:44:53pm
393 Stanley Sea  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:45:45pm

re: #380 wrenchwench

It’s an ad. A commercial. They’re trying to sell you stuff. Worked, or would have if I were in the right country.

[Embedded content]

Sweeeet

394 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:46:14pm
395 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:46:21pm

re: #28 Dr. Matt

So, Alouette/Decatur Deb, from yesterday’s convo: are these moonbats or dudebros? Or, just all around assholes?

No science here, but I’ve always thought the Libertarians to be 1/3 left and 2/3 rightwing (often in the same breath. In either case they tend to stay in a high hover, crapping on whichever wing they engage.

396 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:48:21pm

Evening Lizardim.

397 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:48:25pm

freeper satire

Whenever the rare opportunity to reduce the size of the Spendaholic Federal Government approaches a decision point, the unchallenged and therefore invincible Obamanation Congressional Format, ( OCF ), unfolds flawlessly as follows:

* Permissive, weak and cowardly Speaker “Doormat” Boehner proclaims that THIS time he will protect and defend the US Constitution;
* “Assistant Doormat” Cantor will nod like the bobble head lap dog that he is;
* Cave-In, Con-Artist Ryan will make a side deal with his Pelosi Pals;
* “Rubberstamp” Reid will then approve whatever the Pelosi Pals have shamed Ryan into ramming through the House;
* Lazy, Anti-Work Obama will say “The OCF worked again! That was sooooo EASY!”
* The Left Stream Media will gently boo Boehner, while mildly applauding his “Bipartisan” Leadership;
* “Doormat” Boehner will then slink off sobbing, relieved that he dodged another major tongue-lashing from the Left Stream Media;
* Karl Rove will go on FOX and say “The Moderate House Republicans are showing that they are willing to work with Obama;”
* Krauthammer will go on FOX and say “Unbelievable;”
* The Conservative voters will say:
*** “Yup, permissive RINOs are no match for the Commies, Socialists and Democrats in Congress.
*** We are doomed to feel sorry for ourselves, again.
*** What shall we do?
*** Sigh - - - - .”

398 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:50:17pm

Gone through a lot of my tissue box at work today. #sneezing
#cold

399 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:50:26pm

re: #397 dog philosopher

How to get banned from Freep without really trying:

“Number of clean debt ceiling increases in the George W. Bush years: 19”

400 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:53:09pm

re: #399 EPR-radar

How to get banned from Freep without really trying:

“Number of clean debt ceiling increases in the George W. Bush years: 19”

WE were at WAR!!1
That was different!!!
Obama voted NO on debt ceilings!!!
Shutup libtard!!

401 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:53:12pm

re: #392 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Guess I shouldn’t be surprised that my Rep decided that blowing up the economy was okay.

Fuck’em, more reason to vote for the Democrat next year.

402 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:53:36pm

re: #401 Targetpractice

Guess I shouldn’t be surprised that my Rep decided that blowing up the economy was okay.

Fuck’em, more reason to vote for the Democrat next year.

My rep was right there with yours…

403 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:56:10pm

re: #261 EPR-radar

Men do need to step up and do the right thing, but since women can vote, they actually can single-handedly drive this crap to the political margins by abandoning the GOP en masse. That’s the really stupid thing about the GOP war on women.

If Hillary Clinton ends up with the (D) nomination, I expect a tsunami of misogyny from the right, the likes of which has never before been seen.

If that ends up mortally wounding the GOP by further widening the gender gap, the punishment would truly fit the crime.

Hence the current TPGOP efforts at the preemptive strikes against HRC right now by rehash Bill & Monica’s episode and Hillary’s actions to all of that.

They have absolutely nothing else to go with…and it, along with Benghazi, is going be all were gonna hear about her from the RWNJs, from now through the primaries.

404 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:00:39pm

re: #403 TedStriker

Hence the current TPGOP efforts at the preemptive strikes against HRC right now by rehash Bill & Monica’s episode and Hillary’s actions to all of that.

They have absolutely nothing else to go with…and it, along with Benghazi, is going be all were gonna hear about her from the RWNJs, from now through the primaries.

That works for me. As alluded to upthread, it may be better to get the racism and misogyny we have in the US vividly on display, so that people can either support it or turn away from it without being able to hide their support behind a facade of civilization and denial.

I think this is very much the political analogue of lancing a festering carbuncle —- most unpleasant, but probably a necessary part of healing.

405 GeneJockey  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:03:06pm

re: #398 Bulworth

Gone through a lot of my tissue box at work today. #sneezing
#cold

Were you online when you were incubating this? I must have caught it from you! BASTARD!
///

406 GeneJockey  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:04:48pm

re: #403 TedStriker

Hence the current TPGOP efforts at the preemptive strikes against HRC right now by rehash Bill & Monica’s episode and Hillary’s actions to all of that.

They have absolutely nothing else to go with…and it, along with Benghazi, is going be all were gonna hear about her from the RWNJs, from now through the primaries.

It’ll be Benghazi and Blowjobs clear through till the election. And it won’t be as fun as it sounds.

407 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:09:15pm

re: #406 GeneJockey

It’ll be Benghazi and Blowjobs clear through till the election. And it won’t be as fun as it sounds.

the gop has opened a credit account at the Benghazi, Blowjobs and Beyond store

408 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:14:25pm

re: #335 Lidane

OUTRAGE!

As a Scouter, as an Eagle Scout, and as the brother of a gay man, I say good on him (and his Scoutmasters); doing it right, earning Eagle is not an easy thing (somewhere between 2-4% of Scouts earn the rank).

That said, National’s current policy, even with the membership policy changes, still leaves a bad taste in my mouth, because the current allowance of gays in the BSA is limited to youth members (under 18 in Boy Scouting, under 21 in Venturing); adults and youth who have “aged out” need not apply.

Unless National changes the policy again to allow gay adult members as well, we’re gonna have a lot of kids, many of them Eagle Scouts, who want to continue working in Scouting once they they’ve aged out and they’re gonna be told, “Sorry, but because you’re gay, you’re no longer welcome in Scouting because you’re now an adult.”

It’s utter horseshit.

409 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:48:22pm

re: #282 Shiplord Kirel

Before long we will see ragged, destitute dudebros standing by the road with signs, “WILL DERP FOR FOOD.”

Are there no Twitter Gulags? No MMORPG gold-farms?

410 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:50:47pm

re: #295 Political Atheist

Nope.

Will check soonish! Thanks!

411 Green Alien  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 4:35:57pm

Did it flop? Haven’t heard a peep about it.


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