NBC News Reports Snowden Stole Passwords From Coworkers - Greenwald Says It’s a Lie

Thievery and betrayal
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At NBC News, Michael Isikoff has obtained an NSA memo with more details on the reports that NSA leaker Edward Snowden tricked fellow workers into giving him their passwords in order to steal top secret documents: Exclusive: Snowden Swiped Password From NSA Coworker.

While the memo’s account is sketchy, it suggests that, contrary to Snowden’s statements, he used an element of trickery to retrieve his trove of tens of thousands of classified documents: “At Snowden’s request,” the civilian NSA employee, who is not identified by name, entered his password onto Snowden’s computer terminal, the memo states.

“Unbeknownst to the civilian, Mr. Snowden was able to capture the password, allowing him even greater access to classified information,” the memo states.

The memo states that the civilian employee was unaware that Snowden “intended to unlawfully disclose classified information.” Nevertheless, by sharing with Snowden his personal “public key infrastructure” certificate — a system of highly secure credentials that provided greater access to NSA’s internal computer system — the employee “failed to comply with security obligations,” the memo states. As a result, the employee’s security clearance was revoked in November and the NSA has notified the Justice Department that he recently resigned. (A public key infrastructure certificate is a highly secure system of password and log-in exchanges designed to protect against unauthorized access to sensitive computer networks.)

Snowden has flatly denied he stole any passwords, because that would deflate his glamorized libertarian image as a super-hacker.

And if you’ve been following the Snowden story, you already know how Glenn Greenwald and his cronies are reacting to this report: with mockery and derision, and accusations that the NSA is simply lying. In other words, the same way they always react.

It’s absolutely vital to Greenwald to portray Edward Snowden as the saintliest of heroes, honest to a fault, incapable of telling a lie or deceiving anyone. He’s built a cult of personality around Snowden.

Of course, Snowden took an NSA contracting job under false pretenses, lied about taking a “medical” leave of absence, broke his oath of secrecy, stole more than a million top secret documents, and defected to Russia. But we’re supposed to laugh at the idea that he tricked his co-workers into revealing their passwords.

The Greenwaldian cult is more anti-government than the most rabid Tea Partier.

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222 comments
1 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 10:40:31am

The whole act depends on the perception that Snowden is incapable of deception, that he went into this with purely “patriotic” motives and acquired the documentation through his “skills.” Because the image of Edward Snowden, lying hack, leads to questions about his motives and ultimately whether he’s told any other lies…like who he was working with.

2 Kragar  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 10:41:05am

So we’re supposed to believe a self proclaimed liar and thief is neither a liar nor a thief?

3 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 10:42:55am
For some reason, it’s absolutely vital to the Greenwald cult to portray Edward Snowden as the saintliest of heroes, honest to a fault, incapable of telling a lie or deceiving anyone.

Ultimately, the reason is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$11!!!!!1!

Greenwald’s trove of documents is only a treasure trove if it is not tainted by the stink of betrayal.

4 darthstar  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 10:43:06am

Modified the tweet with some handy-dandy hashtags.

5 Gus  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 10:44:51am

Dramatic “journalism.” So weird.

6 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 10:46:34am

When I think whistleblower, I think a guy who either knew a dirty secret or stumbled across one and went to the press with it. I don’t think of a guy who engaged in the technological equivalent of a smash and grab.

7 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 10:48:36am

re: #6 Targetpractice

When I think whistleblower, I think a guy who either knew a dirty secret or stumbled across one and went to the press with it. I don’t think of a guy who engaged in the technological equivalent of a smash and grab.

I don’t either. Certainly not someone who fled to not one but two nations the US has uh shall we say complicated relations with. Snowden had a chance to be a whistleblower but he forfeited that the second he became a guest of the PRC and Russia.

8 chadu  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 10:49:38am
For some reason, it’s absolutely vital to Greenwald to portray Edward Snowden as the saintliest of heroes, honest to a fault, incapable of telling a lie or deceiving anyone.

He chopped down hacked that network with his trusty little hatchet keyboard.

9 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 10:50:01am
10 Kragar  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 10:50:08am
11 chadu  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 10:50:20am

re: #1 Targetpractice

The whole act depends on the perception that Snowden is incapable of deception, that he went into this with purely “patriotic” motives and acquired the documentation through his “skills.” Because the image of Edward Snowden, lying hack, leads to questions about his motives and ultimately whether he’s told any other lies…like who he was working with.

Social engineering is a hacking skill.

12 Kragar  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 10:50:32am

re: #8 chadu

He chopped down hacked that network with his trusty little hatchet keyboard.

Snowjob was as much a hacker as Sarah Palin is a writer.

13 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 10:51:23am

re: #12 Kragar

Snowjob was as much a hacker as Sarah Palin is a writer.

Certainly got the “hack” part down pat.

14 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 10:52:24am

I mean if Greenwald wants to have a serious conversation, I’m welcome to that personally but I’m not welcome to his idea of the US where we’re not allowed to have national security policies or where we’re the only ones who spy on allies.

15 TedStriker  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 10:52:45am

re: #11 chadu

Social engineering is a hacking skill.

True, but it’s also been a tool in the arsenal of con men since the dawn of time.

This was a heist that surpassed even Lufthansa.

16 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 10:53:35am

re: #14 HappyWarrior

I mean if Greenwald wants to have a serious conversation, I’m welcome to that personally but I’m not welcome to his idea of the US where we’re not allowed to have national security policies.

Personally, I’m not comfortable at all with the idea of leaving up the decision of what should and shouldn’t be kept secret to Glenn Fuckin’ Greenwald. I sure as fuck didn’t vote to give him that power.

17 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 10:54:11am

re: #10 Kragar

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I read the comments over at WND.

Those folks are out of their f*****g minds. They’ve lost it completely.

18 RinaX  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 10:54:33am

I thought I read a page here that talked about this some months ago. It didn’t seem to get much notice then.

19 TedStriker  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 10:55:22am

re: #17 Dr Lizardo

I read the comments over at WND.

Those folks are out of their f*****g minds. They’ve lost it completely.

For these paranoid fucknuts to have lost their minds, they would have had one to begin with.

You were being extremely generous.

20 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 10:56:13am

re: #17 Dr Lizardo

I read the comments over at WND.

Those folks are out of their f*****g minds. They’ve lost it completely.

You are generously assuming they had minds to begin with.

21 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 10:56:13am

Sorry if I don’t trust the guy who stole documents he was not entitled to have access to and then publishes them without care about their impact on US national security.

You know, this is Greenwald who claims that national security wasn’t harmed - that Adm. Clapper was a liar, but who buries the fact that Clapper was, in fact, telling the truth that national security was harmed because the Taliban and al Qaeda were using the data released about GPS tracking and other data tracking to adjust their methods to avoid further detection.

That’s right folks. We’re supposed to trust Greenwald and his interpretation, when Greenwald can’t even keep his own story straight.

22 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 10:57:16am

re: #17 Dr Lizardo

I read the comments over at WND.

Those folks are out of their f*****g minds. They’ve lost it completely.

Honestly, Doc, I wasn’t aware they had “it” in the first place. WND makes Freeperland look like a land of reason.

23 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 10:57:44am

re: #19 TedStriker

For these paranoid fucknuts to have lost their minds, they would have had one to begin with.

You were being extremely generous.

Heh.

Really unbelievable to read. I find it hard to imagine that people really take that so seriously; to me as a normal person, Erik Rush’s ravings are those of a paranoid madman. Not much different than David Icke and his Lizardmen from the Moon.

24 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 10:59:07am
25 Amory Blaine  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 10:59:30am

His DARVO technique is getting old.

26 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 10:59:41am

re: #18 RinaX

I thought I read a page here that talked about this some months ago. It didn’t seem to get much notice then.

Yes: littlegreenfootballs.com

27 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 10:59:44am

Thing is though in regards to Erik Rush is that right wing CT and paranoia always skyrockets during Democratic presidencies. You saw this trend at first under FDR where FDR was labeled a dictator but also later under JFK and LBJ when those two pushed civil rights legislation or Clinton during the golden age of violent anti-government militias. Rush comes from the same tradition of Father Coughlin.

28 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:01:02am

For GG’s information, I owe loyalty to my govt, not to some random dudebro who got a job under false pretenses and who stole secrets from my govt.

29 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:01:23am

re: #16 Targetpractice

Personally, I’m not comfortable at all with the idea of leaving up the decision of what should and shouldn’t be kept secret to Glenn Fuckin’ Greenwald. I sure as fuck didn’t vote to give him that power.

No doubt, he’s done I think everything possible to hurt a meaningful debate on this by acting like anyone who criticizes his pal Eddie is osmehow a government stooge.

30 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:04:02am

re: #26 Charles Johnson

And it’s set of revelations about damaging national security that once again distinguishes Snowden from Ellsworth.

Snowden is not Ellsworth. Not the same league. Not the same sport.

Ellsworth’s data - the Pentagon Papers did not reveal means and methods about US national security gathering or tracking. It revealed that the Vietnam War was going badly and that we weren’t going to win.

Snowden’s data? Releases so far have damaged our ability to track al Qaeda and Taliban, undermined our ability to track financial records for those groups, and damaged relations with allies (at least publicly).

31 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:04:17am

And this just happened in my neck of the woods:

32 Amory Blaine  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:04:54am

You shall not pass!!!

33 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:06:19am

Obama is like Hitler say people who have countdown until 1/20/17 bumper stickers. If only Germans had countdown to 1/20/41 stickers.

34 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:06:50am

Can you imagine what kind of shape we’d be in if everyone who worked in govt, whether civil service or contracting, acted like Snowden?

What would be the point of even having a govt?

35 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:07:55am

Speaking of Dudebros…

36 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:08:19am

re: #34 Justanotherhuman

Can you imagine what kind of shape we’d be in if everyone who worked in govt, whether civil service or contracting, acted like Snowden?

What would be the point of even having a govt?

AHA!!!! THAT’S THE POINT!!!!!!

37 Kragar  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:08:50am
38 chadu  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:08:51am

re: #17 Dr Lizardo

I read the comments over at WND.

Those folks are out of their f*****g minds. They’ve lost it completely.

39 Amory Blaine  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:09:05am

re: #34 Justanotherhuman

That’s what I tell people. You think the DMV sucks now? Wait until it’s staffed with people making 10 bucks an hour with no bennies. High turnover and chaos.

40 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:09:07am

Sorry to go OT so soon, Charles, but this is just utterly sickening:

UAW shocked by bombshell dropped by Sen. Bob Corker during VW plant union vote in Tennessee

U.S. Senator Bob Corker of Tennessee said on Wednesday he has been “assured” that if workers at the Volkswagen AG plant in his hometown of Chattanooga reject United Auto Worker representation, the company will reward the plant with a new product to build.

Corker’s bombshell, which runs counter to public statements by Volkswagen, was dropped on the first of a three-day secret ballot election of blue-collar workers at the Chattanooga plant whether to allow the UAW to represent them.

Corker has long been an opponent of the union which he says hurts economic and job growth in Tennessee, a charge that UAW officials say is untrue.

“I’ve had conversations today and based on those am assured that should the workers vote against the UAW, Volkswagen will announce in the coming weeks that it will manufacture its new mid-size SUV here in Chattanooga,” said Corker, without saying with whom he had the conversations.

In the past few weeks, Volkswagen officials have made several statements that the vote will have no bearing on whether the SUV will be made at the Chattanooga plant or at a plant in Puebla, Mexico.

That’s a sitting US Senator engaging in intimidation to influence a unionization vote. Not a state or even local politician, a man who sits in the US Senate is resorting to the sort of tactics that wouldn’t be out of place in the Gilded Age. I’m surprised he didn’t threaten to hire Pinkertons to “persuade” the workers to drop the vote and go back to work.

41 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:09:29am

re: #39 Amory Blaine

That’s what I tell people. You think the DMV sucks now? Wait until it’s staffed with people making 10 bucks an hour with no bennies. High turnover and chaos.

Ha, that’s a wonderful point.

42 A Mom Anon  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:10:03am

re: #34 Justanotherhuman

That’s kinda the whole point of ALL these assholes, no matter what mantle they CLAIM they are. Fuck over, break and undermine the government in every way possible and then scream “Look! It doesn’t work, it’s broken! Tyranny! Lawlessness! Treason! This is a waste of MY money!” blah, blah, etc, etc, ad nauseum, puke, amen.

Fucking spoiled children are better behaved and brighter.

43 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:10:24am

re: #40 Targetpractice

Sorry to go OT so soon, Charles, but this is just utterly sickening:

UAW shocked by bombshell dropped by Sen. Bob Corker during VW plant union vote in Tennessee

That’s a sitting US Senator engaging in intimidation to influence a unionization vote. Not a state or even local politician, a man who sits in the US Senate is resorting to the sort of tactics that wouldn’t be out of place in the Gilded Age. I’m surprised he didn’t threaten to hire Pinkertons to “persuade” the workers to drop the vote and go back to work.

Yet the usual suspects who whine about “union thugs” won’t find a thing wrong with this.

44 GeneJockey  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:12:50am

re: #10 Kragar

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And yet, somehow, Erik Rush is still alive to tell us this.

45 Gus  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:13:30am

re: #35 Pie-onist Overlord

Speaking of Dudebros…

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Eric Alterman being seen as a bad guy from the moonbats. Never thought I’d see the day.

46 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:13:54am

re: #44 GeneJockey

And yet, somehow, Erik Rush is still alive to tell us this.

He’s just telling us from his secret hiding spot well paying gig as a Fox News contributor.

47 GeneJockey  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:15:16am

re: #27 HappyWarrior

Thing is though in regards to Erik Rush is that right wing CT and paranoia always skyrockets during Democratic presidencies. You saw this trend at first under FDR where FDR was labeled a dictator but also later under JFK and LBJ when those two pushed civil rights legislation or Clinton during the golden age of violent anti-government militias. Rush comes from the same tradition of Father Coughlin.

So, bugfuck crazy is a time honored tradition on the right.

48 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:15:20am

re: #45 Gus

Eric Alterman being seen as a bad guy from the moonbats. Never thought I’d see the day.

Eric Alterman has been under attack by the Dudebros for quite some time.

49 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:16:04am

re: #47 GeneJockey

So, bugfuck crazy is a time honored tradition on the right.

Yes in as so many words.

50 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:17:29am

Just had coffee w/my landlady; they came over a bit earlier to clear the snow out of the parking lot, drive, and sidewalks. The drive is on a slope and he couldn’t get his truck up here, but took care of that with his tractor/scraper.

It’s starting to get a bit warmer and the sun is actually trying to come out, so drippage everywhere. And tonight it will refreeze. Going into the 40s tomorrow which should hopefully take care of the roads.

Finally stopped snowing about an hour and a half ago.

51 GeneJockey  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:17:29am

re: #46 HappyWarrior

He’s just telling us from his secret hiding spot well paying gig as a Fox News contributor.

Well, after all, if he were off the air too long, it would allow the Administration to take him out without arousing suspicion. They’re actually keeping him alive by keeping him on the air.

It’s like a Witless Protection Program.
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52 Gus  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:18:13am

re: #48 Pie-onist Overlord

Eric Alterman has been under attack by the Dudebros for quite some time.

Yep. Since Alterman flipped the bird on Blumenthal’s “Israel for Dudebros” manual, er, book.

53 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:19:26am

re: #40 Targetpractice

Sorry to go OT so soon, Charles, but this is just utterly sickening:

UAW shocked by bombshell dropped by Sen. Bob Corker during VW plant union vote in Tennessee

That’s a sitting US Senator engaging in intimidation to influence a unionization vote. Not a state or even local politician, a man who sits in the US Senate is resorting to the sort of tactics that wouldn’t be out of place in the Gilded Age. I’m surprised he didn’t threaten to hire Pinkertons to “persuade” the workers to drop the vote and go back to work.

Holy fucking shit. The Senate really needs to investigate him for that.

54 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:20:25am

re: #40 Targetpractice

Sorry to go OT so soon, Charles, but this is just utterly sickening:

UAW shocked by bombshell dropped by Sen. Bob Corker during VW plant union vote in Tennessee

That’s a sitting US Senator engaging in intimidation to influence a unionization vote. Not a state or even local politician, a man who sits in the US Senate is resorting to the sort of tactics that wouldn’t be out of place in the Gilded Age. I’m surprised he didn’t threaten to hire Pinkertons to “persuade” the workers to drop the vote and go back to work.

It just got Paginated.

55 GeneJockey  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:20:29am

re: #39 Amory Blaine

That’s what I tell people. You think the DMV sucks now? Wait until it’s staffed with people making 10 bucks an hour with no bennies. High turnover and chaos.

No, no, no. It’s only rich people who respond to making less money by not working as hard. Everyone knows poor people work harder the less you pay them.
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56 A Mom Anon  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:20:59am

re: #48 Pie-onist Overlord

I really don’t like labeling the dudebros as liberal/left because they could give two shits about women’s rights, minorities, the poor, social programs or things like the public commons, education, labor/worker’s rights, fixing a broken healthcare system, etc. Those are things on a liberal policy platform and none of these asshats have done a damned thing to move any of those causes forward. They have more in common with the tea party loons than they do with a liberal like myself.

57 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:22:00am

I’ve been seeing a lot of reports of motorcycle vigilantes in Venezuela
Three people killed after motorcycle-riding vigilante gang fires at anti-government protesters in Venezuela
This appears to be them in action…..

Youtube Video

They don’t look like vigilantes to me. Wearing uniforms, all the same body armor, even riding the same bikes. Sure looks like government/police/whatever

58 chadu  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:24:44am

O/T

I love Senator Franken.

“Is it as much fun being a senator as it was working on ‘Saturday Night Live,’?” he asks, reciting a question he often gets. “The answer is no.” But he goes on to say that people’s careers often take new turns. “This is the best job I’ve ever had,” he says, “because its purpose is to improve other people’s lives, and when that happens everything else is worth it.”

alfranken.com

59 Lidane  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:26:33am

re: #6 Targetpractice

When I think whistleblower, I think a guy who either knew a dirty secret or stumbled across one and went to the press with it. I don’t think of a guy who engaged in the technological equivalent of a smash and grab.

EXACTLY.

I think of the people like the folks at Enron who discovered the malfeasance going on over there and who exposed it at great professional risk. I don’t think of a thief who joined Booz Allen Hamilton with the express agenda of stealing their secrets to use them for extortion while fleeing the country.

60 Gus  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:27:32am

re: #57 Killgore Trout

I’ve been seeing a lot of reports of motorcycle vigilantes in Venezuela
Three people killed after motorcycle-riding vigilante gang fires at anti-government protesters in Venezuela
This appears to be them in action…..

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They don’t look like vigilantes to me. Wearing uniforms, all the same body armor, even riding the same bikes. Sure looks like government/police/whatever

Vigilantes my ass. Keep in mind too that there are certain elements in the American public that will defend the Maduro government. Won’t be hearing much about this from the usual “radicals.”

61 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:28:32am

re: #58 chadu

O/T

I love Senator Franken.

alfranken.com

Everyone thought Franken was going to use treat the Senate as a joke but he’s been a very responsible senator considering this is his first ever elected position. I was skeptical when I heard he was running but Franken’s one of the ogod guys.

62 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:29:42am

re: #56 A Mom Anon

I really don’t like labeling the dudebros as liberal/left because they could give two shits about women’s rights, minorities, the poor, social programs or things like the public commons, education, labor/worker’s rights, fixing a broken healthcare system, etc. Those are things on a liberal policy platform and none of these asshats have done a damned thing to move any of those causes forward. They have more in common with the tea party loons than they do with a liberal like myself.

Dudebros are just like the Tea Party when they complain that their Privileged White Dudebro Problems are EVEN MOAR WORSER!!!!!!! than rape, slavery, and The Holocaust.

HURR HURRR!!!!! EDWARD SNOWDEN IS ALL TEH ROSA PARKS & MLK TAHT EVER WAS ONLY EVEN MOAR HEROIC!!!!!

63 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:30:50am

Ah, maybe these are the “vigilantes” mentioned in previous articles…

Biker Thugs Smash and Loot Parked Cars in Venezuela

Two local residents shot the following videos depicting a gang of hooligans destroying and stealing items from parked cars, as well as shooting firearms at the private housing complex of Monseñor Chacón in Mérida, Venezuela, on Tuesday afternoon.
Nobody knows why the armed group broke into the apartment block’s parking lot causing all sorts of damages while also injuring two young residents, one of whom remains in the hospital.

The look like vigilantes/thugs

64 chadu  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:31:25am

re: #61 HappyWarrior

Everyone thought Franken was going to use treat the Senate as a joke but he’s been a very responsible senator considering this is his first ever elected position. I was skeptical when I heard he was running but Franken’s one of the ogod guys.

I think this is a good summary:

Among Franken’s main interests: privacy, technology, workforce development, veterans, health care, renewable energy and agriculture. Perhaps the best way to summarize his legislative work is to ask some of the questions he asked over the last five years:

Should insurance companies under Obamacare be required to spend 80 percent of premiums on actual care rather than on administrative expenses? Should the developers of smartphones and mobile apps be required to get customers’ consent before tracking their locations? Should the federal government decline to do business with companies that require employees to give up the right to sue for sexual harassment or rape at work?

Should partnerships between private-sector employers and community/technical colleges be strengthened? Should veterans have better health care options in rural areas? Might service dogs help wounded veterans adjust to civilian life? Should diabetes prevention be a higher priority in health care? Should landlords be prohibited from evicting women from federally supported housing because they were beat up or sexually assaulted? Should spy agencies be required to release more details about their surveillance programs?

He believes that the answer to each of those questions is yes.

65 GeneJockey  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:31:27am

re: #61 HappyWarrior

Everyone thought Franken was going to use treat the Senate as a joke but he’s been a very responsible senator considering this is his first ever elected position. I was skeptical when I heard he was running but Franken’s one of the ogod guys.

Between Franken’s books, and his ability to draw the United States with all 50 states, correctly and to scale*, I figure he’s a pretty smart guy.

*Really. Watch the video some time. I’d like to see Rand Paul try that.

66 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:32:20am

re: #60 Gus

Vigilantes my ass. Keep in mind too that there are certain elements in the American public that will defend the Maduro government. Won’t be hearing much about this from the usual “radicals.”

It’s complicated, the players are unfamiliar and press reporting isn’t very good. There’s a lot to learn about who’s who and what’s going on.

67 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:32:40am

re: #65 GeneJockey

Between Franken’s books, and his ability to draw the United States with all 50 states, correctly and to scale*, I figure he’s a pretty smart guy.

*Really. Watch the video some time. I’d like to see Rand Paul try that.

Harvard alum I believe. Not like he came from an ultra-privileged family either.

68 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:33:32am

re: #62 Pie-onist Overlord

Dudebros are just like the Tea Party when they complain that their Privileged White Dudebro Problems are EVEN MOAR WORSER!!!!!!! than rape, slavery, and The Holocaust.

HURR HURRR!!!!! EDWARD SNOWDEN IS ALL TEH ROSA PARKS & MLK TAHT EVER WAS ONLY EVEN MOAR HEROIC!!!!!

Yeah hysteria and lack of perspective is the common intersection of Duebro Avenue and Wingut lane.

69 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:34:34am

Lot’s of guns in Venezuela. Chavez must have forgotten to round those up.

70 Lidane  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:34:56am

Ready! Fire! Aim!

71 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:37:42am

re: #70 Lidane

Ready! Fire! Aim!

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Isn’t Cochran’s opponent a CSA sympathizer? I think anyone who doesn’t think the CSA was awesome is too liberal for that kook’s crazy ass.

72 Good Morning  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:37:56am

Coworker: Can you help me with something? [co worker is completely incompetent and got his government job through political connections or some sort of preference]

Snowden: Sure I can do that, give me your uid and pwd and I’ll have that done by tomorrow. [Snowden thinks to himself loser!!!!!]

Coworker: Wow thanks, let’s go for beers after work I’m buying. [Wow add my previous government service to the year I already worked here and I can retire with 6 figures in just 12 years of this.]

Snowden: Uh, I have stuff to do tonight. [He He HE HE HE]

73 Kragar  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:37:57am
74 Kragar  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:39:17am

I had a co-worker ask me how to get around security features on the network once.

I reported him and his ass was canned 2 days later.

Nice going NSA.

75 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:39:21am

re: #73 Kragar

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or looking at right wing talk radio’s demographics.

76 Lidane  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:40:25am

This is excellent news for John McCain:

77 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:40:40am

re: #72 Good Morning

[co worker is completely incompetent and got his government job through political connections or some sort of preference]

That’s actually how Snowden got his job.

78 Good Morning  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:41:02am

If you gave Snowden your login info should be treated exactly like you were Snowden. An accessory to the crime.

If Snowden asked you for your login info and you did not report that to a superior, you should be treated exactly like you were Snowden. You are a witness to a crime but chose not to report it.

79 Gus  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:42:00am

re: #66 Killgore Trout

It’s complicated, the players are unfamiliar and press reporting isn’t very good. There’s a lot to learn about who’s who and what’s going on.

Outside agitators in 3, 2, 1…

80 Dr. Matt  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:43:12am

The Obama administration is murdering their critics?!? Shit, will this put my FEMA camp guard job in jeopardy since I’ll have no one to guard??

81 dog philosopher  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:43:20am

when are the advertising algorithms going to get beyond the stage of advertising what you just bought?

today i am getting continuous reminders of the valentine’s day present for unfrozen siberian girlfriend

choosh sebatchya!

82 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:44:40am

re: #72 Good Morning

Coworker: Can you help me with something? [co worker is completely incompetent and got his government job through political connections or some sort of preference]

Snowden: Sure I can do that, give me your uid and pwd and I’ll have that done by tomorrow. [Snowden thinks to himself loser!!!!!]

Coworker: Wow thanks, let’s go for beers after work I’m buying. [Wow add my previous government service to the year I already worked here and I can retire with 6 figures in just 12 years of this.]

Snowden: Uh, I have stuff to do tonight. [He He HE HE HE]

I was teaching a class for the State of TN. at one of their training centers. A student asked me what his login was, I told him that it’s the same one he used every day. He said he didn’t know his password, but not to worry.

At this point he whips out his cell phone, calls his office, and asks his co-worker to read him his password, which he has written on a post-it note and taped the cube wall.

I KID YOU NOT!!!

The security guy in me was just dying, I’m not sure how many times my “Fatal Security Violation” gong went off in a 20 second span.

RBS

83 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:44:45am
84 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:45:42am

re: #80 Dr. Matt

The Obama administration is murdering their critics?!? Shit, will this put my FEMA camp guard job in jeopardy since I’ll have no one to guard??

Nah, they will just cross train you and you’ll be in charge of counting and distributing FEMA Coffins.

RBS

85 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:45:51am
86 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:48:27am

Wingnuts love to Tweet this meme. They just don’t know who it really applies to.

87 Testy Toad T  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:48:30am

re: #78 Good Morning

If you gave Snowden your login info should be treated exactly like you were Snowden. An accessory to the crime.

If Snowden asked you for your login info and you did not report that to a superior, you should be treated exactly like you were Snowden. You are a witness to a crime but chose not to report it.

“Hey, can you log in on my machine?” is a good bit sneakier than “give me ur password plz”. Maybe my network connection seems flakey and I am trying to diagnose a problem, or something.

(Keylogging piece of shit.)

88 b.d.  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:52:14am

ARE YOU ALL TRYING TO RUIN SNOWDEN’S CAREER WITH THAT COMPUTER FIRM IN MOSCOW!?!?!? KEEP SPREADING DIRT LIKE THIS AND THEY MIGHT LOSE TRUST IN HIM!!1!

89 Dr. Matt  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:53:10am

re: #84 RealityBasedSteve

Nah, they will just cross train you and you’ll be in charge of counting and distributing FEMA Coffins.

RBS

I’d rather sharpen FEMA guillotines.

90 Lidane  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:53:43am
91 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:54:01am

re: #86 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts love to Tweet this meme. They just don’t know who it really applies to.

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Yeah that article doesn’t apply to “Healthcare policies declared constitutional by USSC and ones that our batshit base can’t get over being settled law.” It does however apply to people who pine for coups to overthrow democratically elected presidents.

92 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:54:26am

re: #90 Lidane

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that sound you hear is Scalia’s head is exploding.

93 Kragar  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:54:35am
94 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:57:02am

re: #93 Kragar

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That’s a damn good question. I wager to bet probably not. Oh and Ted, before Loving, your parents marriage would have been prohibited. Just so you know.

95 Kragar  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:00:51pm

re: #94 HappyWarrior

That’s a damn good question. I wager to bet probably not. Oh and Ted, before Loving, your parents marriage would have been prohibited. Just so you know.

“States Rights” people never have a problem when the Federal government backs them up. The Southern States loved the Renegade Slave Laws which said their property rights trumped the rights a slave had to freedom.

96 Gus  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:01:55pm

Hey. I thought Snowden admitted to ripping off these passwords.

97 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:03:07pm

re: #95 Kragar

“States Rights” people never have a problem when the Federal government backs them up. The Southern States loved the Renegade Slave Laws which said their property rights trumped the rights a slave had to freedom.

Exactly and Cruz himself is upset about states like Washington and Colorado legalizing pot. He’s a tenther phony.

98 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:03:28pm

See: Behold the Selective Outrage Over National-Security Leaks - Conor Friedersdorf - the Atlantic

99 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:03:55pm

re: #96 Gus

Hey. I thought Snowden admitted to ripping off these passwords.

In his last live chat session from Russia, he denied it completely.

100 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:03:57pm

Another terrorist associated/affiliated/connected with Arnhem Coudary and friends…
EXCLUSIVE: Suicide bomber Brit worked as driver for hate cleric Omar Bakri

Hate preacher Anjem Choudary, who led Al Muhajiroun with Bakri said he saw Majeed at the Crawley sermons often and last saw him at a private gathering two years ago.

He praised the suicide act as a “noble deed” adding: “It is clear he went there for humanitarian reasons but when there is war taking place, sometimes you get embroiled in that war to free hundreds of people who are oppressed.”

101 Kragar  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:06:46pm

re: #97 HappyWarrior

Exactly and Cruz himself is upset about states like Washington and Colorado legalizing pot. He’s a tenther phony.

“We want a strong Federal government to strictly enforce our beliefs on all US citizen, but if we disagree with it, then we get to call ‘STATES RIGHTS’ and get what we want anyways.”

102 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:06:52pm

quote from family member….

“I can’t believe he would do this. I think he’s somehow got himself into a ‘kill or be killed’ situation. We are getting feedback from people who are being sent to Syria for charity that Muslims have started killing Muslims. External forces out there are driving a wedge between Sunni and Shia.”

Jooooos!

103 b.d.  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:06:57pm

re: #96 Gus

Hey. I thought Snowden admitted to ripping off these passwords.

“I never stole any passwords, nor did I trick an army of co-workers,” Snowden wrote, addressing allegations that he had exploited his colleagues’ computer accounts to gain access to the files he took.

washingtonpost.com

Weasly worded denial that he can later claim was not technically a lie.

104 Gus  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:07:40pm

re: #102 Killgore Trout

quote from family member….

Jooooos!

Outside forces! OK, was waiting for Maduro to say that instead. This works.

105 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:08:31pm

re: #39 Amory Blaine

That’s what I tell people. You think the DMV sucks now? Wait until it’s staffed with people making 10 bucks an hour with no bennies. High turnover and chaos.

Plus have to handle all the voter registration stuff in addition to drivers’ licenses.

106 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:08:59pm

re: #101 Kragar

“We want a strong Federal government to strictly enforce our beliefs on all US citizen, but if we disagree with it, then we get to call ‘STATES RIGHTS’ and get what we want anyways.”

Modern conservative ideology in a nutshell.

107 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:09:16pm

Choudary is a damned clown. If I were running things, I would’ve deported his ass a long time ago as a public nuisance. He incites violence; freedom of speech is one thing, but when that ‘speech’ inspires the listeners to commit violent acts, it ends.

And if my fellow co-religionists objected, I’d tell them “Too bad”.

108 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:09:20pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

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See: Behold the Selective Outrage Over National-Security Leaks - Conor Friedersdorf - the Atlantic

That goes for ‘surveillance state’ too. Just harder to spell.

109 dog philosopher  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:09:52pm

re: #102 Killgore Trout

We are getting feedback from people who are being sent to Syria for charity that Muslims have started killing Muslims. External forces out there are driving a wedge between Sunni and Shia

breaking news - this has only been happening since about 700 AD

110 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:10:11pm

re: #104 Gus

Outside forces! OK, was waiting for Maduro to say that instead. This works.

Heh

111 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:11:48pm
112 Kragar  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:12:58pm
113 Kragar  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:14:45pm

If you really want to talk about “traditional marriages” wouldn’t you be looking at marrying off your children based on benefits to the family and arranging a proper dowry?

114 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:15:49pm

re: #112 Kragar

So traditional marriage will be abolished if Same Sex Marriages are recognized? What are you preserving exactly?
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Yes, that’s exactly what is going to happen. We are all going to be given Same Sex FEMA Marriages. Duh!!!!

RBS

115 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:15:55pm

re: #113 Kragar

If you really want to talk about “traditional marriages” wouldn’t you be looking at marrying off your children based on benefits to the family and arranging a proper dowry?

I’ll let you marry my daughter Kragar but you have to give me 100 cattle or else the deal’s off!

116 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:16:37pm

re: #106 HappyWarrior

Modern conservative ideology in a nutshell.

Which translates as “Do what we want because of shut up, that’s why.”
//

117 dog philosopher  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:17:00pm

re: #113 Kragar

If you really want to talk about “traditional marriages” wouldn’t you be looking at marrying off your children based on benefits to the family and arranging a proper dowry?

in the wingnut bible, adam and eve lived in 1950s suburbia

118 BusyMonster  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:17:16pm

re: #11 chadu

Social engineering is a hacking skill.

Yea, but not a glamorous one. It’s the one that works the best, of course.

The revelation earlier that Snowden used a skript-kiddie technique (downloading someone else’s code to do his dirty work) tells me he’s not really a hacker at all, just a loudmouth with a chip on his shoulder.

That, and everything else about him and his increasingly despicable story.

119 Kragar  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:17:26pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

I’ll let you marry my daughter Kragar but you have to give me 100 cattle or else the deal’s off!

How about my brother for 75 goats?

120 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:18:35pm

re: #113 Kragar

If you really want to talk about “traditional marriages” wouldn’t you be looking at marrying off your children based on benefits to the family and arranging a proper dowry?

AFTER HE TAKES AWAY ALL TEH GUNZ, OBAMA WILL FORCE EVERYONE TO GAY MARRY AN ILLEGAL ALIEN!!!1!!!!!!

121 dog philosopher  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:18:40pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

I’ll let you marry my daughter Kragar but you have to give me 100 cattle or else the deal’s off!

i bid 200 head of cattle and some very nice sheep

122 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:18:41pm

re: #119 Kragar

How about my brother for 75 goats?

Ha!

123 Gus  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:18:53pm
124 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:19:03pm

re: #121 dog philosopher

i bid 200 head of cattle and some very nice sheep

Psst I don’t actually have a daughter but I want veal chops.

125 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:19:13pm

Do you know who else forced everyone to gay-marry illegal aliens?

126 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:19:47pm

re: #125 Pie-onist Overlord

Do you know who else forced everyone to gay-marry illegal aliens?

Hitler!

127 Gus  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:19:47pm

re: #125 Pie-onist Overlord

Do you know who else forced everyone to gay-marry illegal aliens?

Bugs Bunny?

128 Kragar  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:20:05pm

re: #125 Pie-onist Overlord

Do you know who else forced everyone to gay-marry illegal aliens?

Cthulhu.

129 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:20:59pm

ALINSKY!!!1!!!!!!!!!

130 BusyMonster  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:21:53pm

re: #82 RealityBasedSteve

… asks his co-worker to read him his password, which he has written on a post-it note and taped the cube wall.

I KID YOU NOT!!!

The security guy in me was just dying, I’m not sure how many times my “Fatal Security Violation” gong went off in a 20 second span.

RBS

One way my crew enforces people’s security is the unwritten rule that if you come across an unlocked workstation, you are duty-bound to email the entire team your boundless love of little kittens from that person’s workstation, under their UID.

It works really well! So, I wonder how many possibly career-ending emails his CEO would have to get from him before he learned to protect his password?

131 darthstar  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:22:35pm
132 EPR-radar  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:23:24pm

re: #113 Kragar

If you really want to talk about “traditional marriages” wouldn’t you be looking at marrying off your children based on benefits to the family and arranging a proper dowry?

The so-con claim that SSM is a threat to traditional marriage becomes true, if traditional marriage is viewed as a transfer of property (the wife) from one owner (the father) to a new owner (the husband). The lack of the component of ownership in SSM greatly bothers the so-cons.

On the other hand, it is self-evident that SSM is no threat at all to any model of marriage based on the notion of consenting adults doing what they will.

So the so-con opposition to SSM serves mainly to highlight their overall archaic views about family and marriage.

133 darthstar  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:25:12pm
134 Kragar  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:25:29pm

re: #130 BusyMonster

One way my crew enforces people’s security is the unwritten rule that if you come across an unlocked workstation, you are duty-bound to email the entire team your boundless love of little kittens from that person’s workstation, under their UID.

It works really well! So, I wonder how many possibly carrer-ending emails his CEO would have to get from him before he learned to protect his password?

When I worked at the Provost Marshal’s Office, we had a document folder label “SECRET - EYES ONLY” stamped across the cover and left on the front counter. Inside was the memo, “You just had to look, didn’t you? Everyone here just saw what you did.”

We caught 2-3 people a week.

135 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:27:48pm

Funny thing will be future wingnuts claiming they supported SSM all along.

136 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:29:33pm

re: #135 HappyWarrior

Funny thing will be future wingnuts claiming they supported SSM all along.

Yep; just wait about 50 years.

137 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:30:04pm

re: #136 Dr Lizardo

Yep; just wait about 50 years.

Yep and 76 year old me is going to have a good laugh about it.

138 EPR-radar  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:30:08pm

re: #135 HappyWarrior

Funny thing will be future wingnuts claiming they supported SSM all along.

That’s actually hard to see happening. The wing nuts are religious zealots on this subject, and they aren’t about to stop clinging bitterly to their ‘religion’.

Edited to note that the above is only correct if it is assumed (idiotically) that said claims by future wingnuts are true.

139 Kragar  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:30:34pm

re: #133 darthstar

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Justin Timberlake is facing some tough times.

140 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:32:13pm

re: #138 EPR-radar

That’s actually hard to see happening. The wing nuts are religious zealots on this subject, and they aren’t about to stop clinging bitterly to their ‘religion’.

Hasn’t stopped them on racial civil rights. But yeah I feel ya.I just think when this becomes a non-issue, this is something that they’ll be trying to claim as their own despite their own staunch opposition to ti.

141 klys  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:33:00pm

re: #133 darthstar

You can tell that’s a part of Japan that doesn’t normally get snow because they are actually bothering to shovel it down to the sidewalk.

142 Lidane  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:33:28pm

re: #117 dog philosopher

in the wingnut bible, adam and eve lived in 1950s suburbia

And The Flintstones was a documentary.

143 A Mom Anon  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:34:09pm

re: #139 Kragar

I was just thinking that. LOL. (Sings… “take it on back to veganville…”)

144 A Mom Anon  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:35:44pm

...

145 Gus  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:36:04pm


First time I ever felt sad for an octopus.

146 EPR-radar  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:36:20pm

re: #140 HappyWarrior

Hasn’t stopped them on racial civil rights. But yeah I feel ya.I just think when this becomes a non-issue, this is something that they’ll be trying to claim as their own despite their own staunch opposition to ti.

They’ll never really come around to a sensible point of view, IMO. Today on race relations, right wingers tell a bunch of lies about how they are on the right side of the issue (and always were(!)), but their actual policies, if implemented, would mean reversion to Jim Crow or worse.

147 Kragar  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:36:51pm

re: #141 klys

You can tell that’s a part of Japan that doesn’t normally get snow because they are actually bothering to shovel it down to the sidewalk.

Roughly the same latitude as Southern CA, and right on the coast

148 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:37:48pm

re: #146 EPR-radar

They’ll never really come around to a sensible point of view, IMO. Today on race relations, right wingers tell a bunch of lies about how they are on the right side of the issue (and always were(!)), but their actual policies, if implemented, would mean reversion to Jim Crow or worse.

That’s what I am saying here though. They’ll lie themselves in a couple generations on SSM and LGBT rights the same way they have on race relations. You do make a point though how they oppose SSM for religious reasons though religion was also used to rationalize segregation too.

149 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:39:18pm

re: #148 HappyWarrior

That’s what I am saying here though. They’ll lie themselves in a couple generations on SSM and LGBT rights the same way they have on race relations. You do make a point though how they oppose SSM for religious reasons though religion was also used to rationalize segregation too.

And the two parties will have flipped again - so they will be claiming that Obama was a Republican and Romney and McCain were Democrats.

150 EPR-radar  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:39:36pm

re: #148 HappyWarrior

That’s what I am saying here though. They’ll lie themselves in a couple generations on SSM and LGBT rights the same way they have on race relations. You do make a point though how they oppose SSM for religious reasons though religion was also used to rationalize segregation too.

Agreed. Future wing nuts will make false claims to have supported SSM all along, even while simultaneously engaging in whatever passes for the culture wars of the future to try to end SSM.

151 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:41:08pm

Your public lands in a slideshow. Fabulous photos.

washingtonpost.com

152 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:41:42pm

Yeeeeehaaaa!

The sun is out, the snow is mostly off the trees, and we’ll be able to get out of here by tomorrow at the least. The almost foot of snow that covered my car roof has melted off, too. It was fun, but glad it’s leaving. : )

153 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:42:27pm

re: #149 Feline Fearless Leader

And the two parties will have flipped again - so they will be claiming that Obama was a Republican and Romney and McCain were Democrats.

Yeah kind of like how modern wingnuts claim JFK was actually a conservative even though conservatives of JFK’s time loathed him.

154 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:42:49pm

re: #150 EPR-radar

Agreed. Future wing nuts will make false claims to have supported SSM all along, even while simultaneously engaging in whatever passes for the culture wars of the future to try to end SSM.

Precisely. We’re in agreement.

155 Gus  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:46:27pm
156 darthstar  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:47:07pm
157 A Mom Anon  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:47:45pm

re: #152 Justanotherhuman

Amen. So glad this crap is melting away. It could refreeze tonight, but temps are going to get above freezing by 10 or 11 in the morning. I can not wait for spring.

158 calochortus  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:47:46pm

re: #148 HappyWarrior

That’s what I am saying here though. They’ll lie themselves in a couple generations on SSM and LGBT rights the same way they have on race relations. You do make a point though how they oppose SSM for religious reasons though religion was also used to rationalize segregation too.

I’m always impressed with the conservatives’ ability to simultaneously worry about protecting Biblical marriage while at the same time worrying about the slippery slope to polygamy. If that isn’t Biblical (along with slavery and concubinage) what is?

159 Gus  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:49:05pm

You all believing NSA memos now? Bwhahahahah

He’s so fearless!

160 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:49:41pm

re: #158 calochortus

I’m always impressed with the conservatives’ ability to simultaneously worry about protecting Biblical marriage while at the same time worrying about the slippery slope to polygamy. If that isn’t Biblical (along with slavery and concubinage) what is?

Well tehy also think that mandating the Bible being read in school will lead to less violence even though the Bible isn’t exactly a peaceful book.

161 b.d.  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:49:47pm
The European parliament is to ditch demands on Wednesday that EU governments give guarantees of asylum and security to Edward Snowden, the National Security Agency whistleblower.

theguardian.com

So you’re having a bad day?

162 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:50:12pm

From the end of the NBC story by Isikoff:

“Ben Wizner, a lawyer for the ACLU who represents Snowden, did not immediately respond to phone and email requests for comment.”

nbcnews.com

Instead, he retweets this bullshit:

163 calochortus  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:50:18pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

Well tehy also think that mandating the Bible being read in school will lead to less violence even though the Bible isn’t exactly a peaceful book.

But what fun all that smiting is!

164 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:50:54pm

re: #86 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts love to Tweet this meme. They just don’t know who it really applies to.

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Is she talking about Iran-Contra?

165 b.d.  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:52:36pm

But wait……..

WASHINGTON, Feb. 13 (UPI) — Former U.S. Rep. Ron Paul said he is starting a petition drive to provide clemency for fugitive National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden.

Read more: upi.com

That will be a dudebro mailing list like none other

166 darthstar  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:52:44pm
“The amendment asking for asylum won’t go through,” said Claude Moraes, the British Labour MEP who is the principal author of the report. “That was a red line for the right. There was never going to be a realistic majority for that.

theguardian.com

167 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:52:44pm

re: #158 calochortus

I’m always impressed with the conservatives’ ability to simultaneously worry about protecting Biblical marriage while at the same time worrying about the slippery slope to polygamy. If that isn’t Biblical (along with slavery and concubinage) what is?

Anytime somebody want to argue about the importance and sanctity of marriage, I just ask them “So when are you going to start passing laws to outlaw divorce… since the bible says “What God has joined together, let no man separate?” It seems to me that if you are serious about marriage, then totally banning divorce is the only appropriate solution, isn’t it?”

Then they get quiet and go away and I’m happy again.

RBS

169 klys  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:53:08pm

re: #165 b.d.

But wait……..

That will be a dudebro mailing list like none other

How better to build a fundraising list?

170 b.d.  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:55:44pm

re: #169 klys

How better to build a fundraising list?

You question the power of a Ron Paul petition!?!?!?

171 Jack Burton  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:01:35pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

Brent Bozell Reportedly Forces Someone to Write All His Columns and Books for Him

“I can only express puzzlement that borders on alarm.”

/

172 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:01:49pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

Well tehy also think that mandating the Bible being read in school will lead to less violence even though the Bible isn’t exactly a peaceful book.

Though is that really what the mandate would be? I suspect it would be more about select passages being taught with the real mandate being “This is the book you should always obey, and we are the sole interpreters of what the book is telling you to do.”

When the fundamentalists bitch about schools being all about propagandizing and indoctrination they’re engaging in massive projection since that’s how they view the full scope of education.

173 EPR-radar  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:03:09pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

Brent Bozell Reportedly Forces Someone to Write All His Columns and Books for Him

What a lovely story. Apparently, Bozell does none of the work of writing the columns and takes nearly all of the money.

Truly a paragon of right wing virtue.

174 EPR-radar  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:06:17pm

re: #172 Feline Fearless Leader

Though is that really what the mandate would be? I suspect it would be more about select passages being taught with the real mandate being “This is the book you should always obey, and we are the sole interpreters of what the book is telling you to do.”

When the fundamentalists bitch about schools being all about propagandizing and indoctrination they’re engaging in massive projection since that’s how they view the full scope of education.

This can get very clear in the creationism vs. evolution issue, where religious zealots are apparently incapable of viewing evolution as anything other than a competing religious dogma, backed up by nothing more than the faith of its believers.

Hence the term ‘Darwinist’ commonly used by the zealots, as though modern biology is some kind of heresy.

175 Gus  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:07:41pm

De Blasio finally doesn’t close schools and New Yorkers are already to hang him out to dry. Give me a break. Nobody’s perfect.

176 jaunte  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:10:27pm

Old English: bihaldan, from bi- ‘thoroughly’ + haldan ‘to hold.’

177 dog philosopher  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:13:53pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

Brent Bozell Reportedly Forces Someone to Write All His Columns and Books for Him

following the trail in wikipedia, bozell is the heir to an advertising fortune founded by his grandfather. he got a BA in history and promptly went in the field of hot-air production, where he has spent his entire career

his accomplishments include whining, complaining, and telling everybody else how to run their lives

178 dog philosopher  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:14:24pm

re: #176 jaunte

Old English: bihaldan, from bi- ‘thoroughly’ + haldan ‘to hold.’

hwaet!

179 Gus  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:16:04pm
180 Dr. Matt  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:16:49pm

Bill O’Reilly’s embarrassing prep-notes from his Super Bowl “interview” with the Prez:

What a joke

Apparently O’Racist is now auctioning them off on his personal website for charity.

181 Jay in Oregon  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:17:28pm

re: #145 Gus

First time I ever felt sad for an octopus.

OK, it’s getting to the point where any story about an animal that refers to “died” and “favorite toy” is going to make me choke up. :(

182 ericblair  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:17:35pm

re: #174 EPR-radar

Hence the term ‘Darwinist’ commonly used by the zealots, as though modern biology is some kind of heresy.

Along with the personal attacks on Darwin himself, and stories that he “recanted” on his deathbed. Besides being made up bullshit, they really don’t grasp the concept that it’s meaningless to a scientist whether Darwin recanted, danced around in lady’s underwear, or raped baby goats. But if you’re a nutso authoritarian, the only thing you understand is obedience to a leader, so they figure that if they discredit the enemy’s Great Leader it’s game over for us.

183 Gus  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:19:21pm
184 Gus  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:19:41pm

We Gus’s have to stick together. //

185 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:20:05pm

re: #172 Feline Fearless Leader

Though is that really what the mandate would be? I suspect it would be more about select passages being taught with the real mandate being “This is the book you should always obey, and we are the sole interpreters of what the book is telling you to do.”

When the fundamentalists bitch about schools being all about propagandizing and indoctrination they’re engaging in massive projection since that’s how they view the full scope of education.

A big part of fundamentalism is positioning their Christianity as the only one: authentic, real, canonical, capital-T True. All the guys that scaremonger about secularism and any/all other religions…they are equally vicious about any church or congregation that isn’t “literalist,” Creationist, gay-hating, etc.

They aren’t going to let kids read the Bible and draw their own conclusions. They want to teach people what they think the Bible means.

186 Testy Toad T  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:20:16pm

re: #182 ericblair

This. This so, so, so much.

187 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:24:09pm

re: #182 ericblair

Along with the personal attacks on Darwin himself, and stories that he “recanted” on his deathbed. Besides being made up bullshit, they really don’t grasp the concept that it’s meaningless to a scientist whether Darwin recanted, danced around in lady’s underwear, or raped baby goats. But if you’re a nutso authoritarian, the only thing you understand is obedience to a leader, so they figure that if they discredit the enemy’s Great Leader it’s game over for us.

Exactly! It’s the same principle behind the relentless demonization of Al Gore.

188 Gus  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:24:13pm
189 EPR-radar  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:29:57pm

re: #182 ericblair

Along with the personal attacks on Darwin himself, and stories that he “recanted” on his deathbed. Besides being made up bullshit, they really don’t grasp the concept that it’s meaningless to a scientist whether Darwin recanted, danced around in lady’s underwear, or raped baby goats. But if you’re a nutso authoritarian, the only thing you understand is obedience to a leader, so they figure that if they discredit the enemy’s Great Leader it’s game over for us.

The fundies are terrified of the simple truth that several centuries of extraordinary progress using the methods of science damn well means that the methods of science are rightly privileged vs. all other forms of thought or enquiry for subjects that science applies to.

Such subjects most emphatically include the age and history of the earth, and the fact and mechanisms of biological evolution, including human evolution.

190 Interesting Times  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:34:16pm

re: #189 EPR-radar

Such subjects most emphatically include the age and history of the earth, and the fact and mechanisms of biological evolution, including human evolution.

freetoken is correct - insecurity and threat to self-image is what stops them from accepting scientific truths. If evolution is true, it means humans are no longer God’s Special Snowflakes™, which in turn makes their lives have no meaning and their egos self-destruct.

191 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:35:27pm

re: #190 Interesting Times

freetoken is correct - insecurity and threat to self-image is what stops them from accepting scientific truths. If humans are no longer God’s Special SnowflakesTM, their lives have no meaning and their egos self-destruct.

And their book loses it hold as their primary claim to hold authority over others who do not voluntarily accept that authority.

192 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:36:33pm

re: #180 Dr. Matt

Bill O’Reilly’s embarrassing prep-notes from his Super Bowl “interview” with the Prez:

What a joke

Apparently O’Racist is now auctioning them off on his personal website for charity.

What, no Benghazi? And, does he still do this?

Youtube Video

ETA: Warning, Might not be safe for public consumption, like work. : )

193 EPR-radar  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:38:08pm

re: #192 Justanotherhuman

What, no Benghazi? And, does he still do this?

[Embedded content]

Benghazi is right there as point #2: “Libya”.

O’Reilly should get bonus points for knowing what country Benghazi is in.

194 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:39:16pm

re: #190 Interesting Times

freetoken is correct - insecurity and threat to self-image is what stops them from accepting scientific truths. If evolution is true, it means humans are no longer God’s Special SnowflakesTM, which in turn makes their lives have no meaning and their egos self-destruct.

I’d differ.

This is about them being special snowflakes, and the rest of humanity being damned because of their impure worldview.

That other people are wrong, and will be punished for being wrong, is part of the appeal.

195 EPR-radar  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:41:44pm

re: #190 Interesting Times

freetoken is correct - insecurity and threat to self-image is what stops them from accepting scientific truths. If evolution is true, it means humans are no longer God’s Special SnowflakesTM, which in turn makes their lives have no meaning and their egos self-destruct.

Accepting evolution doesn’t necessarily mean an end to a special role for humanity in god’s plan. However, working out the details of this and making it sort of self-consistent is a bit much to ask of a typical fundie bible-banger.

IMO, the rise of young earth creationism in the US these days seems to have as mush to do with wanting to piss off liberals than with any deeper reason.

196 Testy Toad T  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:42:42pm

re: #195 EPR-radar

Accepting evolution doesn’t necessarily mean an end to a special role for humanity in god’s plan. However, working out the details of this and making it sort of self-consistent is a bit much to ask of a typical fundie bible-banger.

If you accept that the Bible isn’t literally word-for-word true, then you might have to, like, think about it.

Gross.

197 Dr. Matt  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:42:53pm

re: #193 EPR-radar

Benghazi is right there as point #2: “Libya”.

O’Reilly should get bonus points for knowing what country Benghazi is in.

Libya is easier to spell then Bengauzie.

198 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:43:30pm

re: #190 Interesting Times

freetoken is correct - insecurity and threat to self-image is what stops them from accepting scientific truths. If evolution is true, it means humans are no longer God’s Special SnowflakesTM, which in turn makes their lives have no meaning and their egos self-destruct.

I’ve seen serious discussions among the Far Right if one HAD to be a YEC in order to be a conservative. The general consensus was that one had to literally accept the truth of every jot and tittle in the Bible, since to deny any of it was to deny God, and therefore deny that we have unique God Given rights.

RBS

199 EPR-radar  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:43:53pm

re: #196 Testy Toad T

If you accept that the Bible isn’t literally word-for-word true, then you might have to, like, think about it.

Gross.

I’ve read that too much thinking can make you gay !!11ty

200 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:44:36pm

re: #193 EPR-radar

Benghazi is right there as point #2: “Libya”.

O’Reilly should get bonus points for knowing what country Benghazi is in.

Yeah, but it doesn’t have as much value as Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi. : )

201 sagehen  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:44:37pm

re: #180 Dr. Matt

Bill O’Reilly’s embarrassing prep-notes from his Super Bowl “interview” with the Prez:

What a joke

Apparently O’Racist is now auctioning them off on his personal website for charity.

Stephen Colbert responded by offering, for the same charity, to auction off “the microwave I stole from Bill O’Reilly”

Currently, Colbert’s pulling 8x as much.

202 jaunte  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:45:48pm

re: #180 Dr. Matt

Bill O’Reilly’s embarrassing prep-notes from his Super Bowl “interview” with the Prez:.

He had to make a note that it was live?

203 simoom  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:46:21pm


The irritating thing about that tweet is if Greenwald wants to actually dispute the ceiling 1.7m estimate (which is based off of everything Snowden ‘touched’) how about engaging in a little transparency and letting the public in on the size of the document trove Snowden gave to him in Hong Kong? Naturally, since he’s so completely invested in campaign-style image management for his source, he’s going to continue and obfuscate, in order to protect Snowden from being (rightly) seen as a reckless, Manning-like, bulk classified document dumper.

204 Kragar  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:46:24pm

Had to evacuate my office. The bathroom next door had a leak, so waste was seeping thru the walls and into our office and carpeting. We were told stay out till Monday.

205 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:47:46pm

re: #204 Kragar

Had to evacuate my office. The bathroom next door had a leak, so waste was seeping thru the walls and into our office and carpeting. We were told stay out till Monday.

Ewwww! Hope that is with pay. : )

206 dog philosopher  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:47:50pm

re: #198 RealityBasedSteve

The general consensus was that one had to literally accept the truth of every jot and tittle in the Bible

except that stuff where jesus appears to say you should be compassionate and charitable yanno he really meant something else let me mansplain it to you

207 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:49:08pm

re: #196 Testy Toad T

If you accept that the Bible isn’t literally word-for-word true, then you might have to, like, think about it.

Gross.

…except that they don’t believe it’s word-for-word true. Look at their interaction with Old Testament laws—selective, Christ’s parables—lots of goalposts moving rapidly; and Revelations—it’s literal, but not so literal that the truly fantastical stuff isn’t symbolic: aka, why they’re not watching for a seven-headed beast to rise out of the sea, but instead are super wary of the UN, a reformed pan-Muslim Caliphate, and a black president.

The whole thing is irreducibly authoritarian. The Bible is True because their culture-priests say it is, and the Literal Truth of the Bible is what they say it is, words and sentences being in a certain order be damned.

208 Kragar  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:50:13pm

re: #205 Justanotherhuman

Ewwww! Hope that is with pay. : )

Yeah, we’re all salary. Its the facilities fault, not ours. Technically, we were told to work on training and documentation from home.

209 b_sharp  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:51:43pm

re: #204 Kragar

Had to evacuate my office. The bathroom next door had a leak, so waste was seeping thru the walls and into our office and carpeting. We were told stay out till Monday.

Did somebody evacuate his bowels?

210 EPR-radar  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:51:53pm

re: #207 The Ghost of a Flea

The literalists tend to mock more reasonable Christians as being ‘Cafeteria Christians’ that pick and choose what they want to believe in.

The literalists pick and choose just as much as anyone else, of course.

211 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:52:30pm
212 dog philosopher  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 1:53:36pm

re: #210 EPR-radar

The literalists tend to mock more reasonable Christians as being ‘Cafeteria Christians’ that pick and choose what they want to believe in.

The literalists pick and choose just as much as anyone else, of course.

every once and a while you get a literalist with a brain who eventually figures out from a close study of the bible that it is telling him/her to be jewish, and so they convert

213 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 2:13:35pm

This is so sweet and hopeful.

Hearts that won’t be lonely on Valentine’s

kyivpost.com

214 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 2:15:17pm

Been having connection woes today. I left my computer on last night and Monopolosoft did an automatic update on it. This killed my internet connectivity stone dead. All I could get was a message that the DNS server would not respond. I called my ISP’s tech support. As usual they had no idea. It would connect fine on my ancient Ubuntu installation but that cannot be updated and it won’t run my programs anyway. I finally did a system restore, undoing all the allegedly critical updates, and it is back on line. Oh, Firefox wouldn’t work even then, so I had to use another Monopolosoft product, Internet Explorer, to re-install Firefox. It is amazing just how slow and glitchy IE really is. Microsoft is evil at every turn, in every possible way. In 25 years of using their systems, for example, I have never really managed to find real help in Windows Help. It is written with diabolical subtlety and super human perception to avoid having any solution for any problem that anyone in the real world might really have. In a just world, Monopolosoft would be broken up, its campus bulldozed and sown with salt, and its staff deported to Devil’s Island, there to rot until they can re-invent home computers from coconut shells, tree bark, and beach sand.

215 TedStriker  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 2:23:12pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

Well tehy also think that mandating the Bible being read in school will lead to less violence even though the Bible isn’t exactly a peaceful book.

Precisely…seriously, some of the shit in the Bible rivals or surpasses the most violent action movies that Hollywood has churned out.

216 TedStriker  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 2:34:36pm

re: #204 Kragar

Had to evacuate my office. The bathroom next door had a leak, so waste was seeping thru the walls and into our office and carpeting. We were told stay out till Monday.

What a shitty place to work…

/

217 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 2:54:23pm

re: #199 EPR-radar

I’ve read that too much thinking can make you gay !!11ty

Narrator: Unaware of what year it was, Joe wandered the streets desperate for help. But the English language had deteriorated into a hybrid of hillbilly, valleygirl, inner-city slang and various grunts. Joe was able to understand them, but when he spoke in an ordinary voice he sounded pompous and faggy to them.

- Idiocracy

218 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 2:55:12pm

re: #202 jaunte

[Embedded image]

He had to make a note that it was live?

Fuck it! We’ll do it live.

219 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 2:59:00pm

re: #211 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

He was dead and in hell. He was decomposing.

220 nsmith25  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 3:57:00pm

re: #202 jaunte

F**K it . We’ll do it LIVE!

221 Bubblehead II  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 4:15:12pm

re: #130 BusyMonster

One way my crew enforces people’s security is the unwritten rule that if you come across an unlocked workstation, you are duty-bound to email the entire team your boundless love of little kittens from that person’s workstation, under their UID.

It works really well! So, I wonder how many possibly career-ending emails his CEO would have to get from him before he learned to protect his password?

We do this at work as well. Usually with the header, I was dumb enough to leave while logged in, but not locked down.

Kiss. kiss.

We all share two work stations in my shop. Leaving them open and unattended is just asking to have a “love letter” sent out to not only the whole shop, but to the entire corporation mailing list if one is feeling vindictive.

222 Swift2991  Thu, Feb 13, 2014 4:43:33pm

To give him a break, I don’t think he’s either a hero or a traitor. He’s a useful fool.


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