Video: Bill Nye Debates Climate Change Denier Marsha Blackburn

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The good thing about Bill Nye debating these right wing demagogues is that people get to see how completely deranged and disconnected from reality they are. In this clip from Meet the Press, Tennessee GOP Rep. Marsha Blackburn is our case in point, as she actually insists increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is a good thing. Nearly everything Blackburn says here is a lie or a distortion, including her false claim that there’s no scientific consensus humans are causing climate change.

Marsha Blackburn is the face of the Republican Party’s anti-science, willfully ignorant, smug denialism. These truly horrible people are playing stupid games with the future of the human race.

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191 comments
1 HappyWarrior  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:09:21pm

Wasn’t Blackburn the right wing genius who used her own wage in the late 60’s as argument against the minimum wage even though adjusted for inflation she made well above the minimum wage? Anyhow, I like what Nye is doing here but I’m cynical if he can change any minds because people like Blackburn like having their hands in the sand on this sort of thing whether it’s climate change science or evolution.

2 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:13:48pm

re: #1 HappyWarrior

Nye probably won’t be changing any of the “don’t confuse me with facts” crowd, but I’m happy to see the serious push back he’s doing by engaging directly with these people.

3 HappyWarrior  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:14:25pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nye probably won’t be changing any of the “don’t confuse me with facts” crowd, but I’m happy to see the serious push back he’s doing by engaging directly with these people.

True that.

4 jaunte  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:14:39pm

Nye: “You are a leader; we need you to change things, not deny them.”

Good luck with that.

5 HappyWarrior  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:17:45pm

What sucks and I don’t blame Al Gore personally for this but I think a lot of right wingers reflexively deny climate change because they hate Vice President Gore, It sucks because this is an important issue but to know-nothings like Blackburn, if the middle of winter doesn’t feel like the Sahara in the dead of summer then climate change is a hoax. It shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what science actually is.

6 William of Orange  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:20:21pm

HAHAHA!!!!!

7 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:20:31pm

re: #5 HappyWarrior

What sucks and I don’t blame Al Gore personally for this but I think a lot of right wingers reflexively deny climate change because they hate Vice President Gore, It sucks because this is an important issue but to know-nothings like Blackburn, if the middle of winter doesn’t feel like the Sahara in the dead of summer then climate change is a hoax. It shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what science actually is.

They hate science and it’s obvious.

8 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:21:13pm

re: #6 William of Orange

>HAHAHA!!!!!

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I soooo want to tweet that!!!

9 HappyWarrior  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:21:46pm

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

They hate science and it’s obvious.

Yet science is responsible for a lot of what they deem American exceptionalism. No way in hell would we be the superpower we are if we had listened to the Blackburns of the world.

10 HappyWarrior  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:22:16pm

re: #6 William of Orange

>HAHAHA!!!!!

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T-Rex Masterbaitor. I got digs on the band name and merch.

11 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:22:26pm

He blinded me with science…

12 jaunte  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:22:37pm

re: #1 HappyWarrior

Wasn’t Blackburn the right wing genius who used her own wage in the late 60’s as argument against the minimum wage even though adjusted for inflation she made well above the minimum wage?

Youtube Video

13 EPR-radar  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:23:23pm

re: #5 HappyWarrior

What sucks and I don’t blame Al Gore personally for this but I think a lot of right wingers reflexively deny climate change because they hate Vice President Gore, It sucks because this is an important issue but to know-nothings like Blackburn, if the middle of winter doesn’t feel like the Sahara in the dead of summer then climate change is a hoax. It shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what science actually is.

They hate science and the whole line of thinking that leads to it (i.e., the philosophical enlightenment) with the fury of thousand suns.

Gore is merely an excuse, IMO.

14 HappyWarrior  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:23:39pm

re: #12 jaunte

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Always amazes me how many stupid people we have in Congress.

15 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:25:32pm

There’s another class of people involved here. People who may agree that man made climate change is occurring but don’t see a point in doing anything about it because they either feel we’re too far gone to save or there simply won’t be enough people on board to bring about real change.

It’s a “Why fight the battle if you’re guaranteed to lose?” kind of thinking.

16 aagcobb  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:27:07pm

re: #5 HappyWarrior

What sucks and I don’t blame Al Gore personally for this but I think a lot of right wingers reflexively deny climate change because they hate Vice President Gore, It sucks because this is an important issue but to know-nothings like Blackburn, if the middle of winter doesn’t feel like the Sahara in the dead of summer then climate change is a hoax. It shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what science actually is.

Don’t blame Al Gore. They would engage in denialism anyway because they are bought and paid for by the fossil fuel industry.

17 EPR-radar  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:28:10pm

re: #15 Eclectic Cyborg

There’s another class of people involved here. People who may agree that man made climate change is occurring but don’t see a point in doing anything about it because they either feel we’re too far gone to save or there simply won’t be enough people on board to bring about real change.

It’s a “Why fight the battle if you’re guaranteed to lose?” kind of thinking.

For the US to officially take that attitude would be a disgusting abdication of leadership and responsibility that would really be hard to defend. IMO, the right wing has settled on denial because that is easier to defend politically.

18 otoc  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:28:16pm

omg, my head hurts after listening to her. A pox on those voting her in.

19 Lidane  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:28:53pm

re: #13 EPR-radar

They hate science and the whole line of thinking that leads to it (i.e., the philosophical enlightenment) with the fury of thousand suns.

Gore is merely an excuse, IMO.

Exactly.

A lot of these people have grown up in environments where science is evil because Darwin and Einstein are somehow the heralds of Satan and critical thinking is bad. They’re going to reject anything science related on principle. Al Gore is just a convenient scapegoat.

20 EPR-radar  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:30:41pm

re: #19 Lidane

Exactly.

A lot of these people have grown up in environments where science is evil because Darwin and Einstein are somehow the heralds of Satan and critical thinking is bad. They’re going to reject anything science related on principle. Al Gore is just a convenient scapegoat.

The entry on relativity in physics at Conservapedia has to be seen to be believed. Last time I looked, they were conflating ethical relativism with physics-relativity.

21 HappyWarrior  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:31:36pm

re: #20 EPR-radar

The entry on relativity in physics at Conservapedia has to be seen to be believed. Last time I looked, they were conflating ethical relativism with physics-relativity.

Then that may be mean little Andy Schalfry may be a bigger dolt than his mother.

22 aagcobb  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:32:07pm

re: #20 EPR-radar

The entry on relativity in physics at Conservapedia has to be seen to be believed. Last time I looked, they were conflating ethical relativism with physics-relativity.

Aren’t the articles on Conservapedia primarily written by home-schooled fundamentalist teenagers?

23 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:32:17pm

According to some poking around I did on wikipedia (I know, I know), Blackburn is also actively involved with some well connected highly secretive Christian organization called The Fellowship. This group has been around nearly 80 years and counted many prominent politicians (Ronald Reagan among them) as members.

They are the group behind the National Prayer Breakfast.

If you’ve never heard of these guys, I encourage you to read up on them,

24 EPR-radar  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:33:56pm

re: #21 HappyWarrior

Then that may be mean little Andy Schalfry may be a bigger dolt than his mother.

That has been clear for some time know. Andy has another little project in addition to the Conservapedia.

He’s apparently involved in a project to re-write the Bible to match present-day wing nut orthodoxy.

25 jaunte  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:34:22pm
Congressman Blackburn of Tennessee presented her official Papers to Mississippi State University and the University Library during a ceremony on Saturday, October 13, 2007.
library.msstate.edu

The loneliest filing cabinets on earth.

26 HappyWarrior  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:35:05pm

re: #24 EPR-radar

That has been clear for some time know. Andy has another little project in addition to the Conservapedia.

He’s apparently involved in a project to re-write the Bible to match present-day wing nut orthodoxy.

Oh yeah that’s right. That takes the prize right there.

27 EPR-radar  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:35:28pm

re: #22 aagcobb

Aren’t the articles on Conservapedia primarily written by home-schooled fundamentalist teenagers?

I think liberal satirists have their place as well. Even so, Andy rules on content with an iron fist, so anything that stays there for long explicitly has his imprimatur.

28 Lidane  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:35:48pm

re: #24 EPR-radar

He’s apparently involved in a project to re-write the Bible to match present-day wing nut orthodoxy.

I’d rather read the Klingon Bible.

29 EPR-radar  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:37:07pm

re: #28 Lidane

I’d rather read the Klingon Bible.

Lolcat bible would be my preferred substitute, but yes anything would be better than the wing nut bible.

30 HappyWarrior  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:38:22pm

And Jesus said to the poor man “Tough shit moocher, it is harder being a wealthy man than it is a poor man.”

31 jaunte  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:38:40pm

re: #23 Eclectic Cyborg

They are the group behind the National Prayer Breakfast.

If you’ve never heard of these guys, I encourage you to read up on them,

Jeff Sharlet wrote a book about them:
amazon.com

32 BongCrodny  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:40:34pm

Marsha Blackburn was born in 1952, and says she was earning about $2.15 at her first job “growing up in Laurel, Mississippi.”

The minimum wage was $2.10 in 1976,

Is she trying to say that she didn’t have her first job until she was 24 years old?

Other folks have posted this, but based on a minimum wage of $2.10 in 1976, that would be somewhere around $9.00-$9.50 today.

33 Dr. Matt  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:41:09pm

Science + Al Gore = right-wing freak-out^2

34 Testy Toad T  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:41:54pm

re: #30 HappyWarrior

And Jesus said to the poor man “Tough shit moocher, it is harder being a wealthy man than it is a poor man.”

“Amen, amen, I say to you: shut yer fucking trap and quit bitching, billionaire job creators are currently being Holocausted to taxdeath by a 35% marginal income rate”

35 HappyWarrior  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:44:08pm

re: #34 Testy Toad T

“Amen, amen, I say to you: shut yer fucking trap and quit bitching, billionaire job creators are currently being Holocausted to taxdeath by a 35% marginal income rate”

The word of the Lord. And now a reading from Ann Coulter’s letter to the patriots; “Some say I should love my enemies but I should instead blame those I disagree with for every evil and blame my nation’s problems on non-white immgiration.”

36 EPR-radar  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:44:36pm

First on the chopping block in the wingnut bible would be Luke 6:24-26

Woe to you…:
…who are rich, for you have already received your comfort.
…who are well fed now, for you will go hungry.
…who laugh now, for you will mourn and weep.
…when everyone speaks well of you, for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets.

37 HappyWarrior  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:44:46pm

re: #32 BongCrodny

Marsha Blackburn was born in 1952, and says she was earning about $2.15 at her first job “growing up in Laurel, Mississippi.”

The minimum wage was $2.10 in 1976,

Is she trying to say that she didn’t have her first job until she was 24 years old?

Other folks have posted this, but based on a minimum wage of $2.10 in 1976, that would be somewhere around $9.00-$9.50 today.

I dunno but the whole fallacy of her case is your bottom point. She was like oh I didn’t make that much then but I guess no one educated her on a litlte thing called inflation.

38 jaunte  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:45:48pm

Global warming denier Marc Morano’s ClimateDepot is right on top of key points of the debate:

39 Lidane  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:50:08pm

re: #20 EPR-radar

Last time I looked, they were conflating ethical relativism with physics-relativity.

That’s pretty common fundie evangelical thing.

40 HappyWarrior  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:50:26pm

My favorite bit about climate change skeptics is they’re like THE SCIENTISTS ARE TAKING MONEY TO SAY THIS and yet they conveniently ignore the corporate shills who have much more to gain financially by climate change not happening then the scientists who acknowledge it. Then again these are the people who complain about greedy union bosses yet have no problem with executives receiving bonuses considerably larger than the median income.

41 Lidane  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:55:09pm

re: #38 jaunte

Global warming denier Marc Morano’s ClimateDepot is right on top of key points of the debate:

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If he’s a scientist wrong about the Arctic and Anarctic, what else is he wrong about?!

42 Testy Toad T  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:55:35pm

re: #39 Lidane

That’s pretty common fundie evangelical thing.

I hope they don’t trust GPS, then [astronomy.ohio-state.edu].

Further, the satellites are in orbits high above the Earth, where the curvature of spacetime due to the Earth’s mass is less than it is at the Earth’s surface. A prediction of General Relativity is that clocks closer to a massive object will seem to tick more slowly than those located further away (see the Black Holes lecture). As such, when viewed from the surface of the Earth, the clocks on the satellites appear to be ticking faster than identical clocks on the ground. A calculation using General Relativity predicts that the clocks in each GPS satellite should get ahead of ground-based clocks by 45 microseconds per day.

The combination of these two relativitic effects means that the clocks on-board each satellite should tick faster than identical clocks on the ground by about 38 microseconds per day (45-7=38)! This sounds small, but the high-precision required of the GPS system requires nanosecond accuracy, and 38 microseconds is 38,000 nanoseconds. If these effects were not properly taken into account, a navigational fix based on the GPS constellation would be false after only 2 minutes, and errors in global positions would continue to accumulate at a rate of about 10 kilometers each day! The whole system would be utterly worthless for navigation in a very short time. This kind of accumulated error is akin to measuring my location while standing on my front porch in Columbus, Ohio one day, and then making the same measurement a week later and having my GPS receiver tell me that my porch and I are currently about 5000 meters in the air somewhere over Detroit.

The engineers who designed the GPS system included these relativistic effects when they designed and deployed the system. For example, to counteract the General Relativistic effect once on orbit, they slowed down the ticking frequency of the atomic clocks before they were launched so that once they were in their proper orbit stations their clocks would appear to tick at the correct rate as compared to the reference atomic clocks at the GPS ground stations. Further, each GPS receiver has built into it a microcomputer that (among other things) performs the necessary relativistic calculations when determining the user’s location.

Erk, sorry. Heretical academic ivory tower bastion of lib’rul gobbledygook, or something.

Carry on with God as your copilot (I’ll stick to my GPS).

43 EPR-radar  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:56:27pm

re: #39 Lidane

That’s pretty common fundie evangelical thing.

I figured as much. Especially since much of its material is likely from fundie home-schooled teenagers, I think it fair to regard Conservapedia as a valid representation of that world view.

In other words, they’ve worked on their willful ignorance to the point where they are dumber than a box of rocks, and they are insufferably self-satisfied at this state of affairs.

I do feel bad for the teenagers, since they didn’t ask to be propagandized this way, but once adulthood sets in reality has to be faced, even if it means undoing that kind of brainwashing.

44 aagcobb  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:58:43pm

Speaking of another kind of whacko fundy, here are clips of newly deceased snake handling preacher Jamie Coots from his NatGeo reality show, Snake Salvation.

45 Lidane  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:59:15pm

re: #42 Testy Toad T

I hope they don’t trust GPS, then [astronomy.ohio-state.edu].

We’re talking about the same dimwits that reject evolution and relativity, but who will use their smartphones to tweet winter weather memes about HURR HURR CATASTROPHIC GLOBAL WARMING. They’re not very bright.

46 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 1:01:02pm

Drive-by: Just a reminder of how lucky we are.

While U.S. invasion of Iraq for the Washington Post, photojournalist Andrea Bruce worked with an Iraqi man named Omar. He recently immigrated to the U.S., and she documented his move from D.C. to Portland (slideshow at link):

Last week, Bruce accompanied Omar and his fifteen-year-old son, Mustafa, on their six-day move across the country. When they reached the Grand Canyon, he told her, “I love America. We drive for five days and no one stops me. No one asks for my I.D. No one asks where I’m going. No one asks what I’m doing.” Bruce says, “They know the United States isn’t perfect, but the true experience of freedom, in the most basic sense, was amazing to them.” […]

newyorker.com

Ssssh, don’t tell the dudebros!
Remember, we live in an Orwellian surveillance state.

47 EPR-radar  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 1:03:10pm

re: #38 jaunte

They really can’t get away from the fallacy of appeal to authority, can they?

Sensible people do not believe what Bill Nye says because he is some kind of infallible prophet of science. We tend to believe what he says because his arguments are rational arguments that we can understand and which make sense.

From this point of view a simple error like holding up the wrong photograph (if that actually happened), is pretty much meaningless.

49 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 1:06:32pm

re: #46 CuriousLurker

>Drive-by: Just a reminder of how lucky we are.

While U.S. invasion of Iraq for the Washington Post, photojournalist Andrea Bruce worked with an Iraqi man named Omar. He recently immigrated to the U.S., and she documented his move from D.C. to Portland (slideshow at link):

Ssssh, don’t tell the dudebros!
Remember, we live in an Orwellian surveillance state.

Except there’s a NSA agent on the roof. And in the trunk. And under the back seat. And drones.
Don’t forget the drones.
:)

50 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 1:06:36pm

When they get these denialist congress critters on the air people need to start pinning them down by pointing out what it’s doing to their constituent’s electric bills every summer. It’s mostly SE pols who are denialists, and it’s their constituents who are suffering the most. Every single summer this last decade.

51 EPR-radar  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 1:07:05pm

re: #48 Varek Raith

Fox’s Wallace Snow Trolls: Obama’s Global Warming Case “Hard To Make” Given East Coast’s “Brutal Winter”
Morons.

I’m not as kind as you are. This is from Fox, so I think the promulgation of this denial is propaganda from people who know, at least at the top levels, that they are lying through their teeth.

52 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 1:07:51pm

When they occasionally come to mind, this is sort of how I tend to picture the banned, just not as cute. LOL

53 jaunte  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 1:10:51pm

re: #47 EPR-radar

I think he just added an extra syllable when he meant to say Arctic, and so in Drudgeland accidentally disproved all scientific evidence of anthropogenic climate change.

54 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 1:11:32pm

re: #38 jaunte

Global warming denier Marc Morano’s ClimateDepot is right on top of key points of the debate:

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I’m surprised that they even knew there was a difference…

55 BongCrodny  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 1:20:45pm

re: #37 HappyWarrior

I dunno but the whole fallacy of her case is your bottom point. She was like oh I didn’t make that much then but I guess no one educated her on a litlte thing called inflation.

Exactly.

And if Blackburn is merely a little confused — for the sake of argument, let’s say she had her first job “growing up in Laurel, Mississippi” when she was in her late teens — the minimum wage in 1970 (when she was 18) was $1,60.

If she was earning $2.10 in 1970, that would have been substantially above minimum wage, about 30% more.

Adjusted for inflation, that would be about $2.15 more than the minimum wage today, or about $80 per week.

56 wrenchwench  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 1:20:47pm

re: #46 CuriousLurker

>Drive-by: Just a reminder of how lucky we are.

While U.S. invasion of Iraq for the Washington Post, photojournalist Andrea Bruce worked with an Iraqi man named Omar. He recently immigrated to the U.S., and she documented his move from D.C. to Portland (slideshow at link):

Ssssh, don’t tell the dudebros!
Remember, we live in an Orwellian surveillance state.

When we biked across the country, we didn’t even have to carry ID. We did carry it, but there were no legal requirements to.

57 Petero1818  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 1:23:50pm

Not surprisingly, this is just the latest in religious snake handling lunatics deaths. Here is an fascinating look at the practice from AC last time a pastor died which was only a year or so ago. Interesting to me is that the practice seems to be handed down father to son in many cases including the last 2 deaths. More remarkable is that if there was ever clear evidence of evolution / natural selection/ survival of the fittest - it comes courtesy of these Christian fundamentalist morons.
Youtube Video

58 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 1:29:32pm
59 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 1:34:02pm

re: #56 wrenchwench

When we biked across the country, we didn’t even have to carry ID. We did carry it, but there were no legal requirements to.

Whoa, you biked across the country? I’m impressed. O_O

60 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 1:37:26pm

Marsha Blackburn gives me a fucking headache.

61 EPR-radar  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 1:39:30pm

re: #60 Justanotherhuman

Marsha Blackburn gives me a fucking headache.

The sound on my home computer is presently screwed up. Therefore, I can’t listen to Blackburn in this video.

Terribly disappointing. ///

62 GlutenFreeJesus  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 1:40:17pm

re: #6 William of Orange

>HAHAHA!!!!!

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Seriously… that can’t be real…

63 Mattand  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 1:43:16pm

re: #46 CuriousLurker

>Drive-by: Just a reminder of how lucky we are.

While U.S. invasion of Iraq for the Washington Post, photojournalist Andrea Bruce worked with an Iraqi man named Omar. He recently immigrated to the U.S., and she documented his move from D.C. to Portland (slideshow at link):

Ssssh, don’t tell the dudebros!
Remember, we live in an Orwellian surveillance state.

The few present and former law enforcement employees I know would be more than happy to remind Omar and his son what Iraq was like.

64 jaunte  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 1:47:37pm

In Debate With Bill Nye, Congresswoman Says Climate Policy Must Consider ‘Benefits Of Carbon’

It is not terribly surprising, however, that Blackburn would recommend that regulations move away from solving the climate crisis. Members of Blackburn’s E&C committee last month voted 24-20 against an amendment that would have stated conclusively that climate change is occurring and is caused by greenhouse gas pollution. Those twenty-four E&C members — all Republicans — have accepted about $9.3 million in career contributions from the oil, gas and coal industries, according to analysis by the CAP Action War Room. Blackburn herself has accepted $287,393.

thinkprogress.org

65 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 1:49:26pm

re: #63 Mattand

The few present and former law enforcement employees I know would be more than happy to remind Omar and his son what Iraq was like.

Sure, there are always gonna be assholes. Nowhere is prefect, but if I had to drive cross-country I’d damned well rather attempt it here than in Iraq (or many other countries around the world).

66 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 1:53:58pm

Evidently the guy living there had possession of some rocket propellant and had already blown his left hand off. They evacuated 55 other homes surrounding it due to the instability of the propellant which could not be removed from the residence.

67 EPR-radar  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 1:54:50pm

re: #62 GlutenFreeJesus

Seriously… that can’t be real…

In a few minutes of googling, I wasn’t able to find that particular claim sourced to a creationist.

However, it appears that “T-Rex was a plant eater, just look at those arms which are useless for hunting” is standard creationist drivel.

68 HappyWarrior  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 1:57:01pm

re: #48 Varek Raith

Fox’s Wallace Snow Trolls: Obama’s Global Warming Case “Hard To Make” Given East Coast’s “Brutal Winter”
Morons.

Tailor made propaganda for people who believe global warming can only be happening if mid February weather feels like mid-August.

69 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 2:00:50pm

re: #66 Justanotherhuman

Actually, that’s not true, according to this report. Sounds to me like the guy was making ammunition, not fuel for model rockets.

sacramento.cbslocal.com

REDDING, Calif. (AP) - Authorities prepared Friday to burn down a mobile home where they said more than 60 pounds of highly volatile explosive material was found, making it risky for deputies to walk the California property and forcing the evacuation of dozens of nearby residents.

“The chemicals, gunpowder, primers for firearms cartridges and other materials were discovered on Feb. 6 after authorities responded to an explosion at the dwelling in a sparsely populated area of Redding in Northern California.

(snip)

“But Shasta County is a place suspicious of authority, and some like Joe Mlejneck are standing their ground, defiant in the face of danger.”

Yeah.

70 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 2:01:24pm

re: #5 HappyWarrior

What sucks and I don’t blame Al Gore personally for this but I think a lot of right wingers reflexively deny climate change because they hate Vice President Gore, It sucks because this is an important issue but to know-nothings like Blackburn, if the middle of winter doesn’t feel like the Sahara in the dead of summer then climate change is a hoax. It shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what science actually is.

I have caught a lot of flak on this site for embracing a similar view.

I just found it a bit delusional and almost arrogant of Al Gore to suddenly decide that he could place himself above politics and become an elder statesman and neutrally embrace a cause.

A lot of people who were neutral or unaware of the problem then came out with a knee-jerk reaction to it simply because of his previous political affiliations.

Like you said, we cannot blame himself for it, but he did really make himself into a lightning rod and rallying point for the denialist crowd.

71 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 2:02:46pm

re: #19 Lidane

Exactly.

A lot of these people have grown up in environments where science is evil because Darwin and Einstein are somehow the heralds of Satan and critical thinking is bad. They’re going to reject anything science related on principle. Al Gore is just a convenient scapegoat.

If you insist on a literal interpretation of the Bible, you have to deny Darwin, and by extension, science and even logic. There is no arguing with these people, we can only hope to limit the amount of damage they can do.

72 Stanley Sea  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 2:03:20pm

re: #69 Justanotherhuman

Actually, that’s not true, according to this report. Sounds to me like the guy was making ammunition, not fuel for model rockets.

sacramento.cbslocal.com

REDDING, Calif. (AP) - Authorities prepared Friday to burn down a mobile home where they said more than 60 pounds of highly volatile explosive material was found, making it risky for deputies to walk the California property and forcing the evacuation of dozens of nearby residents.

“The chemicals, gunpowder, primers for firearms cartridges and other materials were discovered on Feb. 6 after authorities responded to an explosion at the dwelling in a sparsely populated area of Redding in Northern California.

(snip)

“But Shasta County is a place suspicious of authority, and some like Joe Mlejneck are standing their ground, defiant in the face of danger.”

Yeah.

It feels Santa Ana like right now, hot and windy - hope they’re careful.

73 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 2:04:37pm

re: #40 HappyWarrior

My favorite bit about climate change skeptics is they’re like THE SCIENTISTS ARE TAKING MONEY TO SAY THIS and yet they conveniently ignore the corporate shills who have much more to gain financially by climate change not happening then the scientists who acknowledge it. Then again these are the people who complain about greedy union bosses yet have no problem with executives receiving bonuses considerably larger than the median income.

Yes, there are millions of dollars in research at stake, but for most scientists, there are also careers and professional reputations at stake here.

Weigh that against the energy industries, where there are billions if not trillions at stake, and where profit margins are the decisive factor above any sort of integrity or reputation.

74 BongCrodny  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 2:06:12pm

re: #64 jaunte

In Debate With Bill Nye, Congresswoman Says Climate Policy Must Consider ‘Benefits Of Carbon’

thinkprogress.org

Dear Rep. Blackburn:

I propose a little experiment.

Go into your garage, close all the doors, and sit in your running car with the windows up for a half-hour.

Then come back and tell us the benefits of carbon.

Respectfully,

Bong

To any trolls out there: I realize that, like Sheldon Cooper, the concept of satire is a frightening and mysterious thing you may never be able to fully understand. With that in mind, please let it be known that the above is merely snark and that I have no desire that Rep. Blackburn suffer personal injury despite her insanely ridiculous beliefs. Thank you, and have a good day.

75 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 2:08:46pm

re: #74 BongCrodny

They obviously have never heard of Jonathan Swift. thefreedictionary.com

76 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 2:12:25pm

re: #74 BongCrodny

Dear Rep. Blackburn:

I propose a little experiment.

Go into your garage, close all the doors, and sit in your running car with the windows up for a half-hour.

Then come back and tell us the benefits of carbon.

Respectfully,

Bong

To any trolls out there: I realize that, like Sheldon Cooper, the concept of satire is a frightening and mysterious thing you may never be able to fully understand. With that in mind, please let it be known that the above is merely snark and that I have no desire that Rep. Blackburn suffer personal injury despite her insanely ridiculous beliefs. Thank you, and have a good day.

Is Blackburn just riffing off Michelle “Crazy Ass” Bachmann?

thinkprogress.org

After all, I don’t think Blackburn has ever had an original thought of her own. And the IQs of both of them don’t add up to 50.

77 lawhawk  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 2:17:52pm

MTP thinks that there’s a debate on the existence of global warming, so they get Bill Nye, a scientist (but not a climatologist), and a global warming denier in Blackburn.

That’s the best they could do? Seriously?

They couldn’t get, you know, an actual climatologist to debate the existence of climate change and global warming, and then have a climatologist who’s skeptical of global warming?

Well, that’d be great, except that climatologists agree that global warming exists and there isn’t a debate.

So we’re left with these sideshows that purport a debate when the science conforms with climate change and a pattern of warming that should worry anyone living near coastlines (that’d be pretty much 80% of the world’s population living within 60 miles of a coastline) and never mind what it would do to water and food supplies, or extreme weather events, which affect pretty much everyone.

78 Lidane  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 2:24:25pm

Romneybot apparently rolled back to his Windows 98 version:

79 lawhawk  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 2:32:49pm

Irony.

Walmart proclaiming in ads that they’re going to buy $250 billion in Made in America goods over the next day. The background music? Working Man by Rush, who are Canadian. Mind you, I love Rush and Working Man is an awesome song, but really?

80 wrenchwench  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 2:33:14pm

re: #78 Lidane

Romneybot apparently rolled back to his Windows 98 version:

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Well, if Mitt says ‘don’t use it,’ they’re gonna use it for sure now.

81 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 2:44:34pm

re: #79 lawhawk

Irony.

Walmart proclaiming in ads that they’re going to buy $250 billion in Made in America goods over the next day. The background music? Working Man by Rush, who are Canadian. Mind you, I love Rush and Working Man is an awesome song, but really?

And it’s a 40 yr old song. My teen sons were listening to Rush back in the 70s. Working Man was only one of a few songs I actually liked by Rush.

Would a teen know who they were these days?

82 Stephen T.  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 2:46:46pm

re: #15 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s a “Why fight the battle if you’re guaranteed to lose?” kind of thinking.

I see a lot more of the “Why fight the battle if the winner won’t be determined until after I’m dead,” attitude.

Their reasoning is this: “If the tipping point has already happened, we’re doomed and can’t fix anything. If the tipping point is happening right now, we’ll see the effects in twenty or thirty years from now, and I won’t be around then. If the tipping point hasn’t happened yet, we’ve still got time before we have to do anything, and I like things the way they are.”

I can’t get behind that reasoning, because it completely ignores the ideology of caring for future generations, but for many, it’s only about them and their generation and screw everyone else.

83 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 2:50:27pm

re: #81 Justanotherhuman

And it’s a 40 yr old song. My teen sons were listening to Rush back in the 70s. Working Man was only one of a few songs I actually liked by Rush.

Would a teen know who they were these days?

You lie! It’s not possible that 1974 was 40 years ago.
*looks at white hairs in mirror, sobs*

84 klys  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 2:51:39pm

My day yesterday was spent with lots of harps.

Yay harps.

85 TedStriker  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 2:51:55pm

re: #81 Justanotherhuman

And it’s a 40 yr old song. My teen sons were listening to Rush back in the 70s. Working Man was only one of a few songs I actually liked by Rush.

Would a teen know who they were these days?

Plenty of teens/twentysomethings who are into rock are into Rush (or at least know of them), FWIW.

86 EPR-radar  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 2:52:46pm

re: #74 BongCrodny

In the interest of completeness, it should be noted that modern cars tend to have sufficiently low CO emissions that this stunt, while still inadvisable in the extreme, would not be as lethal as it used to be.

(edited to add) For climate change, CO2 is the important gas anyway.

87 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 2:53:20pm

re: #85 TedStriker

Plenty of teens/twentysomethings who are into rock are into Rush, FWIW.

My 23 yr old grandson learned about them from his dad…

88 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 2:58:08pm

re: #77 lawhawk

MTP thinks that there’s a debate on the existence of global warming, so they get Bill Nye, a scientist (but not a climatologist), and a global warming denier in Blackburn.

That’s the best they could do? Seriously?

They couldn’t get, you know, an actual climatologist to debate the existence of climate change and global warming, and then have a climatologist who’s skeptical of global warming?

Well, that’d be great, except that climatologists agree that global warming exists and there isn’t a debate.

So we’re left with these sideshows that purport a debate when the science conforms with climate change and a pattern of warming that should worry anyone living near coastlines (that’d be pretty much 80% of the world’s population living within 60 miles of a coastline) and never mind what it would do to water and food supplies, or extreme weather events, which affect pretty much everyone.

Well there is Roy Spencer, John Christy and Fred Singer, but Singer is no longer active.

Edit: I forgot about Judith Curry.

89 Amory Blaine  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 2:58:12pm

Sigh I haz a sad. My beautiful, smart and fun niece is very excited about her prospects for a full scholarship to college. Why am I sad? It’s Liberty University. My sister is an Evangelical young earth creationist who has indoctrinated her children. When my niece was younger I attempted to “balance” this by getting her “kid themed” science books and the like. Even sparked her enthusiasm for rock polishing.

Edit. Sorry it’s Regent University.

90 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 2:59:37pm

re: #85 TedStriker

Plenty of teens/twentysomethings who are into rock are into Rush (or at least know of them), FWIW.

In 2008, I took a former student of mine to see Iron Maiden in Prague; of course, she’d heard of them, but never heard their music.

Oh yeah, she was an instant fan, which surprised me as she’s normally more into dubstep and house music. But at that concert, she was headbanging like she’d been born to do it.

Even better, she asked me later when was the first time I’d seen Iron Maiden, to which I replied, “Oh, back in 1985” (the World Slavery Tour) Yep…..three years before she was born. She didn’t know they’d been around that long. lol

91 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:00:17pm

re: #85 TedStriker

Plenty of teens/twentysomethings who are into rock are into Rush, FWIW.

Live with John Rutsey on drums, 1974 (and Geddy Lee w/o the granny glasses).

Youtube Video

92 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:06:38pm

re: #79 lawhawk

Irony.

Walmart proclaiming in ads that they’re going to buy $250 billion in Made in America goods over the next day. The background music? Working Man by Rush, who are Canadian. Mind you, I love Rush and Working Man is an awesome song, but really?

I’m pretty sure they’re appealing to their blue color customers.

93 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:07:44pm
94 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:08:20pm

ok, now it’s stuck in my head
Youtube Video
I’ve forgotten how good that song is

95 Stanley Sea  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:10:04pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

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Doesn’t look real. Wow.

96 Amory Blaine  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:10:47pm

Rush With TPB Bubbles.

Youtube Video

97 ObserverArt  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:11:33pm

re: #24 EPR-radar

That has been clear for some time know. Andy has another little project in addition to the Conservapedia.

He’s apparently involved in a project to re-write the Bible to match present-day wing nut orthodoxy.

Proof that it is the word of God!!!

98 Mattand  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:13:21pm

Been reading up on the Dunn verdict; aka, “Florida: Where White Folks are Allowed to Hunt Black Teenagers.”

I remember that case when it happened at the time. I also remember thinking this guy would either get off scot free or a slap on the wrist.

I know this piece of shit is facing jail time, but not for actually murdering someone?

I really, really try hard not to make snap judgements, given the amount of bigoted nastiness the rest of the US directs to us here in Jersey. But goddamn; if I were a black male teenager in Florida, I’d get the fuck out ASAP.

99 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:13:51pm

re: #92 Killgore Trout

I’m pretty sure they’re appealing to their blue color customers.

Not real sure those are the people who listen to progressive rock, though.

100 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:13:53pm

Anti-bullying campaigns reach their logical conclusion
Teens accused of torturing classmate, carving swastika on forehead

police said the victim may have been a bully and the teens were retaliating against him.

101 Amory Blaine  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:14:53pm

re: #92 Killgore Trout

I’m pretty sure they’re appealing to their blue color customers.

The Smurfs?

:P

102 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:14:56pm

re: #99 Justanotherhuman

Not real sure those are the people who listen to progressive rock, though.

The 40 somethings would.

103 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:15:15pm

re: #101 Amory Blaine

The Smurfs?

:P

lol

104 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:16:20pm

re: #94 Killgore Trout

ok, now it’s stuck in my head
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I’ve forgotten how good that song is

I prefer somewhat more recent Rush…

Youtube Video

105 ipsos  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:16:51pm

Much MBF derping on the teevee machine this morning. While Marsha-Marsha-Marsha was espousing the benefits of MOAR CARBON on MTP, somehow Face the Nation got desperate and invited the one and only Jennifer Rubin to occupy the rightward flank on its roundtable. She wasn’t as derpy on the air as she is in print (not sure that’s even possible), but still.

Meanwhile, the comments on MTP’s FB page have been unusually non-derpy. Most of them (at least when last I peered through my fingers at them) seemed to be pro-Nye and rather sharply anti-Blackburn. Perhaps there’s hope.

106 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:17:12pm

re: #100 Killgore Trout

Anti-bullying campaigns reach their logical conclusion
Teens accused of torturing classmate, carving swastika on forehead

Little fascist vigilantes in the making.

107 Amory Blaine  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:17:34pm

Yes all of my wingnut friends like Rush and other rock bands. I used to chide them a lot. “You know what they’re singing about right? You know they hate every position you morons believe right?”.

108 austin_blue  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:18:03pm

re: #84 klys

My day yesterday was spent with lots of harps.

Yay harps.

ALL of my days are spent with a lot of harps!

(well, four, anyway)

109 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:19:11pm

re: #107 Amory Blaine

Yes all of my wingnut friends like Rush and other rock bands. I used to chide them a lot. “You know what they’re singing about right? You know they hate every position you morons believe right?”.

I am certain almost none of them get that they’re atheists. Strong streak of Randianism too, alas.

110 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:19:34pm

Tourist bus explosion in Egypt kills 4, wounds 15, caught on surveillance cam
Liveleak Video

That looks like it’s right at the crossing, border fence on the left

111 BeenHereAwhile  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:20:04pm

re: #23 Eclectic Cyborg

According to some poking around I did on wikipedia (I know, I know), Blackburn is also actively involved with some well connected highly secretive Christian organization called The Fellowship. This group has been around nearly 80 years and counted many prominent politicians (Ronald Reagan among them) as members.

They are the group behind the National Prayer Breakfast.

If you’ve never heard of these guys, I encourage you to read up on them,

With “The Cru” FKA ‘The Campus Crusade For Christ’ as their student study group.

112 freetoken  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:20:34pm

Remember, Marsha and the rest of the atavist-targeting politicians are looking for the votes of people like this:

SNAKE-HANDLING KY. PASTOR DIES FROM SNAKE BITE

A snake-handling Kentucky pastor who appeared on the National Geographic television reality show “Snake Salvation” has died after being bitten by a snake.

According to a news release from the Middlesboro Police Department, someone called first responders at about 8:30 p.m. Saturday regarding a snake-bite victim at a church.

When the ambulance arrived, they were told that Jamie Coots had gone home. Contacted at his house, Coots refused medical treatment. Emergency workers left around 9:00 p.m. When they returned about an hour later, Coots was dead.

Coots was caught in January 2013 transporting three rattlesnakes and two copperheads through Knoxville, Tenn., for his church. Tennessee wildlife officials confiscated the snakes, and Coots pleaded guilty to illegally wildlife possession. He was given one year of unsupervised probation.

Snake handlers - that is the GOP target.

113 klys  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:20:40pm

re: #108 austin_blue

ALL of my days are spent with a lot of harps!

(well, four, anyway)

I figure there were a good 15 harps in the room.

Plus, yanno, harpers.

114 austin_blue  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:21:00pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

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Silver gelatin print?

115 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:21:11pm

*GASP* Shorts in public!!

Heh, I’m not sure if the above is true, but Wikipedia has a photo from the same year that is listed as being from the City of Toronto Archives and appears to be the same women.

7-1937: Window shopping at Simpsons department store.

116 Tigger2  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:22:09pm

re: #78 Lidane

Romneybot apparently rolled back to his Windows 98 version:

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I was alive during Clinton’s Presidency I didn’t feel embarrassed. And I’m sure many guys weren’t embarrassed either.

117 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:22:15pm

re: #100 Killgore Trout

Anti-bullying campaigns reach their logical conclusion
Teens accused of torturing classmate, carving swastika on forehead

If you think that’s the “logical conclusion” you need to do a little rethinking.

118 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:24:50pm

re: #106 Justanotherhuman

Little fascist vigilantes in the making.

I’ve had my doubts about the anti-bullying thing for a while now. A couple years ago kids were playing basketball outside, suddenly cries of “bully! Bully!” and all the kids were pointing and the suspect. There was a sheer look of terror and panic on the kid’s face. He ran for his life. Probably didn’t do anything worse than score too many points or body check somebody but the kid knew the accusation was enough and he was in deep shit.

119 Teukka  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:26:13pm

re: #100 Killgore Trout

Anti-bullying campaigns reach their logical conclusion
Teens accused of torturing classmate, carving swastika on forehead

police said the victim may have been a bully and the teens were retaliating against him

Are you for real?
If the victim is found to have been a bully, this actually is a very predictable outcome, especially in schools where the administration is lax against bullying, not the other way around.
Not that I condone this kind of behaviour, but I can totally understand why it can happen.

120 Amory Blaine  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:27:25pm

re: #115 CuriousLurker

121 Stanley Sea  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:28:14pm

re: #98 Mattand

Been reading up on the Dunn verdict; aka, “Florida: Where White Folks are Allowed to Hunt Black Teenagers.”

I remember that case when it happened at the time. I also remember thinking this guy would either get off scot free or a slap on the wrist.

I know this piece of shit is facing jail time, but not for actually murdering someone?

I really, really try hard not to make snap judgements, given the amount of bigoted nastiness the rest of the US directs to us here in Jersey. But goddamn; if I were a black male teenager in Florida, I’d get the fuck out ASAP.

Their parents are very concerned. Reading @shaunking yesterday (he’s LA, but whatever) made me cry.

122 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:28:25pm

re: #119 Teukka

Are you for real?
If the victim is found to have been a bully, this actually is a very predictable outcome, especially in schools where the administration is lax against bullying, not the other way around.
Not that I condone this kind of behaviour, but I can totally understand why it can happen.

rawstory.com

According to the arrest report, the ring-leader was a 14-year-old boy who was upset that the victim had called another student “gay” on Facebook. The other attackers were similarly perturbed, and believed that their actions would be “an act of revenge.”

123 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:31:18pm

re: #118 Killgore Trout

I’ve had my doubts about the anti-bullying thing for a while now. A couple years ago kids were playing basketball outside, suddenly cries of “bully! Bully!” and all the kids were pointing and the suspect. There was a sheer look of terror and panic on the kid’s face. He ran for his life. Probably didn’t do anything worse than score too many points or body check somebody but the kid knew the accusation was enough and he was in deep shit.

Jesus you are a sick one. Bet you think Jonathan Martin should have just “put up with” Richie Incognito’s abuse too.

Charles, is there any hope for an “ignore” flag that can be set so we don’t have to even see troll posts like this?

124 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:32:18pm

re: #115 CuriousLurker

>*GASP* Shorts in public!!

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Heh, I’m not sure if the above is true, but Wikipedia has a photo from the same year that is listed as being from the City of Toronto Archives and appears to be the same women.

[Embedded image]7-1937: Window shopping at Simpsons department store.

And they appear to be wearing stockings, one also w/socks. No woman would have worn shoes without wearing stockings.

That would have been pretty bold even back in the ’50s. In the south, we “dressed up” to go downtown. No pants allowed.

125 Mentis Fugit  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:33:14pm

re: #23 Eclectic Cyborg

According to some poking around I did on wikipedia (I know, I know), Blackburn is also actively involved with some well connected highly secretive Christian organization called The Fellowship.

Would that be anything like a sort of “Christian Brotherhood”?

126 Teukka  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:34:32pm

re: #122 Killgore Trout

Are you for real?
If the victim is found to have been a bully, this actually is a very predictable outcome, especially in schools where the administration is lax against bullying, not the other way around.
Not that I condone this kind of behaviour, but I can totally understand why it can happen.

rawstory.com
According to the arrest report, the ring-leader was a 14-year-old boy who was upset that the victim had called another student “gay” on Facebook. The other attackers were similarly perturbed, and believed that their actions would be “an act of revenge.”

And you didn’t stop to think that considering such a small provocation, why the apparent over-reaction? There is more to this than someone being called gay on facebook.

Another glaringly obvious thing you missed is that people taking the law into their own hands does not happen by itself. Often, it happens because the perpetrators feel they have nothing to loose, have no other course of action left.

127 freetoken  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:37:21pm

128 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:37:58pm

re: #122 Killgore Trout

Are you for real?
If the victim is found to have been a bully, this actually is a very predictable outcome, especially in schools where the administration is lax against bullying, not the other way around.
Not that I condone this kind of behaviour, but I can totally understand why it can happen.

rawstory.com

“Gay” is an insult these days among kids that young. So are names like “bitch” and “c***” for boys. It’s a pretty misogynistic/anti-gay culture thing among young people to call boys names meant to insult girls and ‘homosexuals’.

They used to call each other “pussies” or “fairies”.

It’s name-calling; not something you beat up or cut someone over.

129 Ming  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:38:34pm

Of course, with climate change, temperature changes and weather patterns are front-and-center. But there’s also ocean acidification (e.g. wikipedia). The ocean’s diatom organisms may be affected, which would be too bad, since they produce oxygen for the rest of us. We may be hearing more and more about this in the coming years.

130 Teukka  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:39:51pm

re: #128 Justanotherhuman

“Gay” is an insult these days among kids that young. So are names like “bitch” and “****” for boys. It’s a pretty misogynistic/anti-gay culture thing among young people to call boys names meant to insult girls and ‘homosexuals’.

They used to call each other “pussies” or “fairies”.

It’s name-calling; not something you beat up or cut someone over.

My hunch as well. There is more to this that someone being called gay on FB.

131 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:41:15pm
132 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:41:20pm

re: #100 Killgore Trout

Anti-bullying campaigns reach their logical conclusion
Teens accused of torturing classmate, carving swastika on forehead

It’s thanks to people like you that my school years were a living hell.

“Kids’ll handle it. It’s a learning experience. Can’t punish the hockey players…” and all the other excuses.

‘scuse me while I go barf. PTSD is not fun.

133 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:42:12pm

re: #124 Justanotherhuman

And they appear to be wearing stockings, one also w/socks. No woman would have worn shoes without wearing stockings.

That would have been pretty bold even back in the ’50s. In the south, we “dressed up” to go downtown. No pants allowed.

It’s also very doubtful they caused the car wreck. Think about the time and effort that went into taking a photograph in those days. It was probably part of a promotion to show off the shocking new fashion.

134 Stanley Sea  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:42:29pm

re: #123 William Barnett-Lewis

Jesus you are a sick one. Bet you think Jonathan Martin should have just “put up with” Richie Incognito’s abuse too.

Charles, is there any hope for an “ignore” flag that can be set so we don’t have to even see troll posts like this?

slow smoking on the grill.

In the old days an asshole who posted like KT would be toast. Now? We are way too kind.

135 RadicalModerate  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:43:08pm

re: #111 BeenHereAwhile

With “The Cru” FKA ‘The Campus Crusade For Christ’ as their student study group.

Some other wonderful things about The Family (courtesy of the Wikipedia entry)
en.wikipedia.org

Their inspiration for their leadership model:

Jeff Sharlet stated in an NBC Nightly News report that when he was an intern with the Fellowship “we were being taught the leadership lessons of Hitler, Lenin and Mao” and that Hitler’s genocide “wasn’t really an issue for them, it was the strength that he emulated.”[33] In his book The Family, Sharlet said Fellowship leader Doug Coe preached a leadership model and a personal commitment to Jesus Christ comparable to the blind devotion that Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Pol Pot demanded from their followers.[34] In one videotaped lecture series in 1989, Coe said,

“Hitler, Goebbels and Himmler were three men. Think of the immense power these three men had…. But they bound themselves together in an agreement…. Jesus said, ‘You have to put me before other people. And you have to put me before yourself.’ Hitler, that was the demand to be in the Nazi party. You have to put the Nazi party and its objectives ahead of your own life and ahead of other people.”[33][34]

Political influence:

The Fellowship and Uganda

The Fellowship, through Representative Joe Pitts (R.-Pa.), redirected millions in US aid to Uganda from sex education programs to abstinence programs, thereby causing an evangelical revival, which included condom burnings.

In a November 2009 NPR interview, Sharlet alleged that Ugandan Fellowship associates David Bahati and Nsaba Buturo were behind the recent proposed bill in Uganda that called for the death penalty for gays.[78] Bahati cited a conversation with Fellowship members in 2008 as having inspired the legislation.[79]

Sharlet reveals that David Bahati, the Uganda legislator backing the bill, reportedly first floated the idea of executing gays during The Family’s Uganda National Prayer Breakfast in 2008.[80] Sharlet described Bahati as a “rising star” in the Fellowship who has attended the National Prayer Breakfast in the United States and, until the news over the gay execution law broke, was scheduled to attend the 2010 U.S. National Prayer Breakfast.[80]

Also worth mentioning is the current Chairperson for the National Prayer Breakfast is “The Family” member Louie Gohmert (R-TX).

136 Amory Blaine  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:43:24pm

re: #125 Mentis Fugit

Would that be anything like a sort of “Christian Brotherhood”?

Here’s a good(ish) book on them.

The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Powerower

137 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:44:05pm

re: #128 Justanotherhuman

“Gay” is an insult these days among kids that young. So are names like “bitch” and “c***” for boys. It’s a pretty misogynistic/anti-gay culture thing among young people to call boys names meant to insult girls and ‘homosexuals’.

They used to call each other “pussies” or “fairies”.

It’s name-calling; not something you beat up or cut someone over.

I am surprised that calling someone “gay” is still a common slur among kids. I have a bunch of 9-12 year olds on my street. I hear it all the time.

138 Teukka  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:45:28pm

re: #136 Amory Blaine

Here’s a good(ish) book on them.

The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power

Have it on my shelf. Recommended reading at least as far as I am concerned.

139 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:46:40pm

Heavy clashes continue in Venezuela between protesters and police
Liveleak Video
Lot’s of gunfire about half way through.

140 jaunte  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:48:29pm
141 wrenchwench  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:49:56pm
142 wrenchwench  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:50:50pm
143 freetoken  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:50:52pm

The NBC video won’t load for me, which is all for the better I suppose.

What these television “news” shows have become are high-brow versions of Maury, where an orchestrated event is set up for the audience’s drama rather than for a real analysis.

Doing real research is difficult and usually tedious in long stretches. Not really something for an American television audience to want to watch two talking heads discuss in detail.

144 Amory Blaine  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:52:08pm

re: #138 Teukka

I agree it is an important book and recommended reading. I only felt the authors style was a tad tedious. I’d rather have substance than style in any case.

145 bratwurst  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:52:45pm

Hey everyone….we shouldn’t be SO concerned about the children who are literally bullied to death because of what I have seen on my street! /

146 EPR-radar  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:54:52pm

re: #100 Killgore Trout

Anti-bullying campaigns reach their logical conclusion
Teens accused of torturing classmate, carving swastika on forehead

I must have missed the part of anti-bullying campaigns where the plan is to do nothing unless/until the victims lash out.

I’m sure these campaigns have their flaws, but I’m also sure they aren’t so completely addled as to make vigilante outbursts any kind of a “logical outcome” of them.

147 Teukka  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:54:57pm

re: #144 Amory Blaine

I agree it is an important book and recommended reading. I only felt the authors style was a tad tedious. I’d rather have substance than style in any case.

The only book I’ve given up on reading so far is Marx’s “Das Kapital”. Now there’s an unreadable writing style.

148 freetoken  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:56:50pm

BTW, current Arctic sea ice extent is at a record low.

Something which I’m sure all the news outlets run as a headline, no?

BTW2, a new paper in GRL:

Seasonal to interannual Arctic sea ice predictability in current global climate models

We establish the first intermodel comparison of seasonal to interannual predictability of present-day Arctic climate by performing coordinated sets of idealized ensemble predictions with four state-of-the-art global climate models. For Arctic sea ice extent and volume, there is potential predictive skill for lead times of up to 3 years, and potential prediction errors have similar growth rates and magnitudes across the models. Spatial patterns of potential prediction errors differ substantially between the models, but some features are robust. Sea ice concentration errors are largest in the marginal ice zone, and in winter they are almost zero away from the ice edge. Sea ice thickness errors are amplified along the coasts of the Arctic Ocean, an effect that is dominated by sea ice advection. These results give an upper bound on the ability of current global climate models to predict important aspects of Arctic climate.

Put simply, variability in Arctic sea ice is such that one can’t accurately model the extent very far out. This ought not be surprising, as observations show that the Earth is losing Arctic sea ice faster than climate models had predicted in the past.

149 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:57:17pm

re: #140 jaunte

[Embedded content]

…and I don’t think there’s much chance of them becoming unpissed. The Venezuelan economy has been run into the ground to the point where I don’t think it can be fixed. It may take a while longer but I think it’s Game Over for the Chavistas.

150 jaunte  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 4:00:35pm

re: #149 Killgore Trout

Daniel Duquenal has a good list of the problems facing any Venezuelan government going forward.

Venezuela news and views: Scenarios for the post apocalypses

151 Amory Blaine  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 4:01:31pm

Maybe T-Rex didn’t need long arms because he had an extra large johnson.

/concerned

152 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 4:03:16pm

re: #151 Amory Blaine

Maybe T-Rex didn’t need long arms because he had an extra large johnson.

/concerned

Named Peter Johnson Jr.

153 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 4:04:59pm

Dkos not excited about President Hillary: Is Hillary Clinton the president we need at this time?

If Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee, as a Democrat it would be better than any Republican getting elected. Given Hillary Clinton’s Wall Street baggage however, the triangulation used by the Clintons against the Republicans in the past may just be used against them in 2016. A populist Republican with limited Wall Street ties, with a fairly liberal social stance on marijuana, marriage equality, immigration reform, incarceration (mandatory minimums), and women’s rights is out there waiting. Anyone following the news can see that Republican in the making.

Heh

154 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 4:08:02pm
A populist Republican with limited Wall Street ties, with a fairly liberal social stance on marijuana, marriage equality, immigration reform, incarceration (mandatory minimums), and women’s rights is out there waiting.

Lolfuckingl, yeah right.
Even if one did exist, they’d never get the nom.

155 freetoken  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 4:08:39pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

I always wonder what DKos means to people. I for one never read the site, and I’m about as neo-environmentalist, trans-humanist, and marxist-deconstructionist as anyone. Perhaps it’s my age, but Markos and his site has never appealed to me.

156 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 4:09:14pm

This guy sounds as though he’s ready to martyr himself for the cause, although he can run for office this year.

Venezuela’s Lopez to march Tuesday, says ready to face arrest

trust.org

Lopez-Mendoza was educated at Kenyon College and Harvard.

157 EPR-radar  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 4:10:31pm

re: #154 Varek Raith

Lolfuckingl, yeah right.
Even if one did exist, they’d never get the nom.

That said, it is perfectly reasonable for some Democrats to prefer someone less corporate than Hillary as a nominee in the primary cycle.

158 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 4:10:59pm

re: #150 jaunte

Daniel Duquenal has a good list of the problems facing any Venezuelan government going forward.

Venezuela news and views: Scenarios for the post apocalypses

Good article. I think a lot of the economic problems will repair themselves fairly quickly when free market allows international investors back in without fear of assets being confiscated by the state. That should take care of a lot of infrastructure problems too. I think the US would be likely to throw in a quick infusion of cash to help them out. I hadn’t thought about the debt to Cuba but my initial leaning is towards “fuck them”.

159 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 4:11:53pm

re: #157 EPR-radar

That said, it is perfectly reasonable for some Democrats to prefer someone less corporate than Hillary as a nominee in the primary cycle.

Oh, true, they just better check their delusions at the door.

160 lawhawk  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 4:11:57pm

re: #110 Killgore Trout

The bombing occurred on the Egyptian side near the border crossing at Taba. The timing was apparently purposeful. Soft target and tourists - all designed to undermine the regime in Cairo, which various Islamists consider to be apostate and who must overthrown at all costs.

161 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 4:12:34pm

re: #155 freetoken

I always wonder what DKos means to people. I for one never read the site, and I’m about as neo-environmentalist, trans-humanist, and marxist-deconstructionist as anyone. Perhaps it’s my age, but Markos and his site has never appealed to me.

Me neither but I guess it’s a reasonable sampling of what run-of the mill progressives are thinking.

162 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 4:12:50pm

re: #100 Killgore Trout

Way over the line Killgore. To associate anti-bullying programs with violent retaliation against a bully that the programs do not advocate and in fact condemn is an EPIC FAIL of logic.

163 lawhawk  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 4:14:30pm

re: #148 freetoken

No, they’ll focus on the fact that there’s more Great Lakes ice than we’ve seen in decades. Which, if you’re downwind of the lakes, you’re most grateful for because if the ice didn’t cover the lakes, the lakes would empty their moisture on all those folks homes/roads/businesses in the form of lake effect snow. Lots of it.

Lake effect snow shuts down as the open fetches of water freeze over. No moisture to for the winds to pick up, means no lake effect snow. It’s a savings grace for the moment, and it might actually help the lakes refill from what have been multi-year low levels too.

164 EPR-radar  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 4:14:59pm

re: #159 Varek Raith

Oh, true, they just better check their delusions at the door.

If someone credible were to really run against the banks, either as (D) or (R), this would be a political earthquake sufficient to upend most models of US politics.

165 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 4:15:28pm

re: #160 lawhawk

The bombing occurred on the Egyptian side near the border crossing at Taba. The timing was apparently purposeful. Soft target and tourists - all designed to undermine the regime in Cairo, which various Islamists consider to be apostate and who must overthrown at all costs.

Ah, thanks. I hadn’t seen the speculation about which group is responsible….

It is also reasonable to assume that the Ansar Bayt al-Maqdis organization is a prime suspect

en.wikipedia.org

166 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 4:17:20pm

re: #163 lawhawk

No, they’ll focus on the fact that there’s more Great Lakes ice than we’ve seen in decades. Which, if you’re downwind of the lakes, you’re most grateful for because if the ice didn’t cover the lakes, the lakes would empty their moisture on all those folks homes/roads/businesses in the form of lake effect snow. Lots of it.

Lake effect snow shuts down as the open fetches of water freeze over. No moisture to for the winds to pick up, means no lake effect snow. It’s a savings grace for the moment, and it might actually help the lakes refill from what have been multi-year low levels too.

The lakes will benefit, though the full benefit won’t be seen till things thaw and much of the snow on the ground runs off into the lakes.

167 ObserverArt  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 4:23:25pm

I just came up with a nice two-word rhyme…the droll troll!

I’m not sure why, but I think it was triggered by some comments in this thread. It is a fun phrase though, isn’t it?

/ : )

168 lawhawk  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 4:27:44pm

re: #166 Dark_Falcon

Long term trends don’t particularly look good though. Water levels are down in Superior, which feeds all the other lakes.

169 Stanley Sea  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 4:32:12pm

trolling trolling trolling.

And in that wasted time I went to Best Buy to get a new ipad cord. Mine of course shitted out during House of Cards.

KT is still KT. And getting away with it.

He’s not the voice of opposition, which is welcome, he’s a problematic troll.

nothing more at this point.

170 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 4:35:37pm

re: #124 Justanotherhuman

And they appear to be wearing stockings, one also w/socks. No woman would have worn shoes without wearing stockings.

That would have been pretty bold even back in the ’50s. In the south, we “dressed up” to go downtown. No pants allowed.

I found ‘em in the archives. They weren’t “real” in the sense that they were commissioned, presumably for a marketing campaign. Still, staged or not, I’m sure those shorts were indeed quite shocking & scandalous in 1937. I’m guessing the smiling (leering?) and gawking of the men didn’t require much faking either.

For anyone who’s interested, below is the entire set as provided by the archives, uncropped at 1050x829px:

171 Lidane  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 4:41:11pm

re: #118 Killgore Trout

Do us all a favor and fuck off. Your usual concern trolling is bad enough, but this is a new low, even for you.

Charles, can i second the call for an Ignore function? I’d love to be able to just never see anything KT posts at all.

172 Mattand  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 4:51:00pm

re: #118 Killgore Trout

I’ve had my doubts about the anti-bullying thing for a while now. A couple years ago kids were playing basketball outside, suddenly cries of “bully! Bully!” and all the kids were pointing and the suspect. There was a sheer look of terror and panic on the kid’s face. He ran for his life. Probably didn’t do anything worse than score too many points or body check somebody but the kid knew the accusation was enough and he was in deep shit.

Have you ever been bullied? As in, throwing up at the thought of going to school because you’re going to beaten within an inch of your life bullied?

I guess it’s a matter of time before you trout out the “Bullying is just one of things kids go through” horseshit.

173 Mattand  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 4:53:38pm

re: #171 Lidane

Do us all a favor and fuck off. Your usual concern trolling is bad enough, but this is a new low, even for you.

Charles, can i second the call for an Ignore function? I’d love to be able to just never see anything KT posts at all.

Yeah, I’m starting to lean that way too. I’m still have trouble squaring the whole “KT stood up to the Tea Baggers” history with the some of the stupid fucking shit that gets derped out.

174 Interesting Times  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 4:56:28pm

re: #172 Mattand

I guess it’s a matter of time before you trout out the “Bullying is just one of things kids go through” horseshit.

I’m not sure if that was intentional or just a typo, but either way, it’s awesome :D

175 Mattand  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 5:00:04pm

re: #174 Interesting Times

I’m not sure if that was intentional or just a typo, but either way, it’s awesome :D

Accidental, but it works. That’s how angry I was about the whole “Maybe we need a more hands off approach to kids torturing other kids” attitude.

I just wish I had though of it when KT decided to get his homophobe on a year or so ago when performing his usual drive-by shitting on Rachel Maddow.

176 lawhawk  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 5:08:31pm

re: #115 CuriousLurker

She’s got… .legs…. and knows how to use them… /

177 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 5:18:10pm

re: #123 William Barnett-Lewis

re: #171 Lidane

re: #173 Mattand

I’m inclined to agree on the ignore function as well. I can tolerate an honest disagreement or difference of opinion, but there are people here who seem to be incapable of that.

We can avoid wingnuts, moonbats, racists, anti-Semites, Islamophobes, etc. by staying away from their websites, and we can avoid stalkers & trolls on Twitter by blocking them, but at LGF the only way to avoid some people’s BS is to try not to accidentally read their comments or just stay away completely whenever they’re participating.

I don’t think anyone wants to muzzle legitimate argument or create an echo chamber, but some people really aren’t even trying to have a conversation. If we had a mute button, I think things would improve—as a matter of fact, I’m quite sure there are some who would like to mute me (or Lidane, or whoever) as well, so it would be win/win.

178 klys  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 5:21:32pm

re: #177 CuriousLurker

Thank you for clearly stating it all, including the lack of desire for a conversation as one of the key factors.

179 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 7:34:59pm

re: #155 freetoken

I always wonder what DKos means to people. I for one never read the site, and I’m about as neo-environmentalist, trans-humanist, and marxist-deconstructionist as anyone. Perhaps it’s my age, but Markos and his site has never appealed to me.

I’m speaking as a former DKos-ian. I used to hang out there when Bush the Younger was in office — even wrote some diaries during my first year or so in China (2008-09). My interest started to wane after a while, about the same time I signed up here (May ‘09).

Some of the writers there are sensible and intelligent. They are progressive, but not necessarily wide-eyed idealists. Other writers, and many of the commenters, are just too woo-woo out there for me to take seriously. The woo-woo out there types outnumber the sensible and intelligent types, at least in my estimation. Maybe I’m too centrist, or something.

Then, the layout of the site just hurts my eyes (not literally — you know what I mean). It’s too busy and frilly. With more up-to-date styles and typography, it might be more appealing, instead of an old gray lady wearing an orange sweater.

(I hope none of you are old gray ladies wearing orange sweaters.)

180 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 7:44:33pm

re: #170 CuriousLurker

In 1937, skirt lengths were still well below the knee (the flappers of the last decade were an exception), and women would only show that much leg at the beach or maybe with close family in a backyard summer picnic. I’m basing this statement on old family photos I went through a few times. Walking around downtown showing that much leg would sure attract attention — admiring stares from the men and tut-tutting from the middle-aged ladies.

I think the remark that the models caused an accident comes from the car parked against the light pole. There’s no sign of damage, though, and the driver is not in the car.

181 Tigger2  Sun, Feb 16, 2014 11:26:05pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

Me neither but I guess it’s a reasonable sampling of what run-of the mill progressives are thinking.

Just like Free Republic is a reasonable sampling of what run of the mill Republicans are thinking.

182 122 Year Old Obama  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 2:52:00am

I’m willing to bet KT was reading the responses to his 100 with the biggest shit-eating grin he could possibly muster on his face, thinking “Yeah, I got ‘em riled up good.

KT, with all due respect, what the fuck? What’s next? Are you going to say that bullying is “all part of growing up” or any of that other gobbledegook?

Just in case, NEWS FLASH: It shouldn’t. Do you know how many kids kill themselves and/or others after being pushed too far by bullies. Far, FAR more than you would EVER be willing to admit. I should know. I’ve teetered on that edge, myself.

I don’t know what your deal is. Are you just contrarian with majority opinion? Just fishing for angry responses?

You disgust me, as well as many others here, I’m sure.
Which is a goal of yours, isn’t it? If so, mission accomplished.
Dick.

183 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 4:30:36am

wow
feel the love!!

184 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 5:23:50am

Stealth downding noted (and chuckled at)

I’m also willing to bet that your lengthy #182 comment wasn’t posted till AFTER KT had logged out!

185 122 Year Old Obama  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 6:29:43am

You do realize I’m not the only one disgusted with his behavior, right?

Nice to know where you stand on the bullying issue, though.

Spare me the hyperliteral I said that,,, where????? bullshit. You updinged strawman posts against anti-bullying. I think we can infer from that.

186 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 6:59:57am

re: #185 122 Year Old Obama

You do realize I’m not the only one disgusted with his behavior

By “behavior” you mean his thoughts on (insert) a subject.

Nice to know where you stand on the bullying issue

Tell me what that is

we can infer from that

because you can “infer” all you want from an upding I give, but unless you are willing to engage me in an actual conversation (which you have demonstrated over time that you do not) you will never know what I believe on “xyz” topic

Just an FYI,,, my updings in this instance was more supportive of a poster who was being gang tackled for stating something rather than agreeing with “a” position.

187 Jay in Oregon  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 7:37:04am

re: #98 Mattand

I really, really try hard not to make snap judgements, given the amount of bigoted nastiness the rest of the US directs to us here in Jersey. But goddamn; if I were a black male teenager in Florida, I’d get the fuck out ASAP.

Bugs Bunny makes a compelling argument.

188 palomino  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 2:58:18pm

re: #186 sattv4u2


You do realize I’m not the only one disgusted with his >behavior

By “behavior” you mean his thoughts on (insert) a subject.

Nice to know where you stand on the bullying issue

Tell me what that is

we can infer from that

because you can “infer” all you want from an upding I give, but unless you are willing to engage me in an actual conversation (which you have demonstrated over time that you do not) you will never know what I believe on “xyz” topic

Just an FYI,,, my updings in this instance was more supportive of a poster who was being gang tackled for stating something rather than agreeing with “a” position.

So I guess that makes you some sort of half assed founder of the KT Defense League. You must be so proud.

Thank god you’re not raping and stabbing people like all the rest of us here.

189 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:01:13pm

re: #188 palomino

just ,,,, wow!!!

190 BusyMonster  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:41:42am

re: #5 HappyWarrior

What sucks and I don’t blame Al Gore personally for this but I think a lot of right wingers reflexively deny climate change because they hate Vice President Gore, It sucks because this is an important issue but to know-nothings like Blackburn, if the middle of winter doesn’t feel like the Sahara in the dead of summer then climate change is a hoax. It shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what science actually is.

Don’t get confused about Al Gore. Right-wingers are covering their own colossal fucking stupidity by yammering about how Al Gore is fat. If there had never been an Al Gore, dumb-fuck climate deniers would have found a different, equally contemptible and dumb way of fapping off the fossil fuel industry. That is what they do. The exact mechanism is irrelevant.

You can make the liberal/conservative divide a lot less confusing if you comprehend that at this moment, right now in history, that divide is more along IQ lines. Everyone down there below 30% of average intelligence: Teabagger party. Stupid people are watching, in kind of shock, as the world that they’ve sort of figured out how to bully and asshole their way through is changing to keep (specifically like them) bullies and assholes from wrecking it for the rest of us. Oh, stupid bullies, and STUPID asssholes. I mean, just pick a Republican congressman or Senator at random. Is he an asshole? Is he stupid? Chances are, yes.

Stupid people have noticed that the world is now run by smart people, and they’re mad about it and have to have a stupid people temper tantrum and then someone will have to sit on them to shut them up.

When I try to understand the concerns of the right, the needs they have, the fears, I think about it for a few minutes, and I wish they weren’t such goddamn stupid fucking people.

191 BusyMonster  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:45:00am

re: #172 Mattand

Have you ever been bullied? As in, throwing up at the thought of going to school because you’re going to beaten within an inch of your life bullied?

I guess it’s a matter of time before you trout out the “Bullying is just one of things kids go through” horseshit.

I remember that. There are four guys out there, from the Denver, CO area, who NEVER want to meet me in a dark alley. I’m still unbelievably angry about it, decades later. And especially, I’m angry when I think about how these guys were all 1 or 2 heads taller than me, and what chickenshits they are, forever.

The trauma has a definite impact on my behavior, and I know I’m an angrier person than I would be if I were not unexpectedly assaulted several times throughout my childhood, by some loser with a chip on his shoulder.


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