NSA Chief James Clapper: We Should Have Been Transparent About Metadata Collection

Yes, that would have been a good idea
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Director of National Intelligence James Clapper tells the Daily Beast’s Eli Lake that he realizes they should have come clean from the start about the NSA’s metadata collection programs.

In an exclusive interview with The Daily Beast, Clapper said the problems facing the U.S. intelligence community over its collection of phone records could have been avoided. “I probably shouldn’t say this, but I will. Had we been transparent about this from the outset right after 9/11—which is the genesis of the 215 program—and said both to the American people and to their elected representatives, we need to cover this gap, we need to make sure this never happens to us again, so here is what we are going to set up, here is how it’s going to work, and why we have to do it, and here are the safeguards… We wouldn’t have had the problem we had,” Clapper said.

“What did us in here, what worked against us was this shocking revelation,” he said, referring to the first disclosures from Snowden. If the program had been publicly introduced in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, most Americans would probably have supported it. “I don’t think it would be of any greater concern to most Americans than fingerprints. Well people kind of accept that because they know about it. But had we been transparent about it and say here’s one more thing we have to do as citizens for the common good, just like we have to go to airports two hours early and take our shoes off, all the other things we do for the common good, this is one more thing.”

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641 comments
1 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 6:21:12pm

Shoulda, woulda, coulda.

2 dog philosopher  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 6:24:26pm

in his picture he looks like he is about to clap on

3 Kragar  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 6:27:21pm

Wasn’t the fact this story originally broke like 7 years ago sort of clue to some people?

4 Kragar  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 6:28:09pm

re: #2 dog philosopher

in his picture he looks like he is about to clap on

“I would grab Snowden like this, then …”

5 klys  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 6:28:27pm

re: #3 Kragar

Wasn’t the fact this story originally broke like 7 years ago sort of clue to some people?

No.

I mean, it should be.

But no.

6 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 6:29:50pm
7 Gus  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 6:32:49pm

The Sopranos respond.

NSFW and contains the f-word.

Youtube Video

8 danarchy  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 6:39:46pm

re: #7 Gus

The Sopranos respond.

NSFW and contains the f-word.

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Heh it’s like one of the dvd extras on the movie “In Bruges”

F**k Bruges

9 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 6:42:06pm

re: #8 danarchy

Heh it’s like one of the dvd extras on the movie “In Bruges”

F**k Bruges

Well, of course “Fuck Bruges’! It in Belgium, which means the place is full of Eurosocialists.

//Mostly.

10 ObserverArt  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 6:48:39pm

Pardon my ignorance, but I always thought “they” could do this sort of data collection from the first day cell phones went online. I always thought because they rely on a radio signal they fall under FCC rules which means they are public domain and therefore can never really be private. Second, because they use digital info in the broadcasts the communications can easily be stored unlike all the recording material that would be needed if they were all analog as old phone were over telephone wire.

As soon as cell phones came out, weren’t criminals that used them tracked and caught bey their use. Were not major drug dealers and mob criminals brought down by cell phone records???

So, did anything really change other than the government stepped it up after 9-11???

Sure, there most likely was a change in how the federal government could record and store the meta data for future use once a pattern was established and a court order to use the records was obtained, but didn’t the police and FBI always have that use anyway. They had to have cause and then dig into the records. The Patriot Act took away the cause and just made the data available for storage for tracking patterns, but to dig into the records they still had to have court involvement.

So…what really changed other than implementation by the feds? Well one change was since the late 90’s cell phone use became more and more mainstream. I don’t know, was it all because people never paid any attention to the whole cell phone/radio/public airwaves/FCC control thing from the get-go? Then once they became “smart phones” or hand-held computers and everyone blabbed, texted, tweeted and logged-in they forgot about the fact they are public radios. Then the word comes out the data is stored by the NSA and everyone freaks.

I guess for me it just been much to do about nothing. I and my friends always thought they were designed for tracking from the get-go. We never trusted them for pure privacy and I still don’t. Am I all wrong? Is all of this based on people just never figured it out. And does the lack of awareness fall on the government as a problem, or is it public ignorance?

11 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 6:49:30pm

re: #8 danarchy

Heh it’s like one of the dvd extras on the movie “In Bruges”

F**k Bruges

I really liked In Bruges but couldn’t really figured out why. This helped me sort it out a bit…
Youtube Video

12 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 6:58:34pm

re: #10 ObserverArt

And baby monitors…

13 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 7:00:12pm

re: #10 ObserverArt

Most people are completely oblivious to the details of how their magical gadgets do what they do. So when the NSA stories started coming out it was easy for the Snowdenistas to portray it all as menacing and evil.

I hope in the long run the increased knowledge of privacy issues will be worth the truly horrible damage this is doing to US intelligence.

14 HoosierHoops  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 7:03:33pm

He’s Back!! Missed you guys.. The winter is brutal in the North Woods. We had 50 days of below zero with wind chills ranging from -35 to -50. I’m going crazy being in the house every day. Insane really, I’m hating life right now. It just won’t stop snowing.. We got 4 inches since noon today…
My only hope is springtime. Winston and I will be in the boat cruising the lake and fishing for dinner and soaking up the sun with no shirt on drinking a beer and enjoying life. I’m holding on by a thread. :)
———
Clapper is an idiot and is in the wrong job. I can’t recall the incident several years ago but there was something that happened everybody was talking about and Clapper when asked didn’t even know about it..It was shocking..
And then he lies to Congress to boot and still has his rank and position to this day. How he gets away with it is a mystery. He must know where the bodies are buried.

15 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 7:03:40pm

City builder survival game Banished looks pretty good
Youtube Video

…and challenging.

16 Kragar  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 7:05:09pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

Most people are completely oblivious to the details of how their magical gadgets do what they do. So when the NSA stories started coming out it was easy for the Snowdenistas to portray it all as menacing and evil.

I hope in the long run the increased knowledge of privacy issues will be worth the truly horrible damage this is doing to US intelligence.

It wont be.

17 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 7:06:03pm

re: #14 HoosierHoops

Next winter you’ll be better prepared and you can plan your indoor winter activities. Maybe buy a small fly tying kit. It’s easy enough to learn and helps me think about spring.

18 Bear  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 7:08:13pm

re: #14 HoosierHoops

What brand of beer does Winston drink?
//

Guess you may miss the weather that you had in the Napa Valley. Don’t think there was much snow there.

19 Gus  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 7:09:02pm
20 Single-handed sailor  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 7:12:14pm

re: #14 HoosierHoops

I tried to warn you. When the snow melts in May mosquito season begins. Start stocking up on repellent. ;)

21 ObserverArt  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 7:19:32pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

Most people are completely oblivious to the details of how their magical gadgets do what they do. So when the NSA stories started coming out it was easy for the Snowdenistas to portray it all as menacing and evil.

I hope in the long run the increased knowledge of privacy issues will be worth the truly horrible damage this is doing to US intelligence.

So in short…Greenwald and Snowden are making reputations on ignorance and naivety? Just another version of PT Barnum, as some of us thought from the get-go!

Hello America! Your pants are down. $25.00 to tell you.

22 Mattand  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 7:22:00pm

re: #3 Kragar

Wasn’t the fact this story originally broke like 7 years ago sort of clue to some people?

Someone posted a link about this from the USA Today.

Think about that for a minute: the effing USA Today reported on this 7 years ago. A paper whose creative director designed graphics based on Fisher Price toys.

I’m in no way excusing any overreach from the NSA, but Jesus Christ, people; it’s not like this was breaking news.

I was cleaning out my email and stumbled across a Snowden article in Slashdot. I know it’s a trite cliché, but I really wish the dudebros would try living in a country that is actually a dictatorship.

We’ve got our problems, but this whole “The US is a police state now” bullshit is unreal.

23 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 7:23:26pm

re: #14 HoosierHoops

Hang in there Hoops, the other 3 seasons will give you great joy and you’ll be ready by next year when God’s dandruff begins to fall again :)

Frankly I tolerate winter because the rest of the year is so wonderful up here in the north woods. When the trees leaf out and the robins return, you’ll be glad you moved here.

24 Mattand  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 7:24:06pm

re: #19 Gus

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Can you imagine if FDR ran today? The Republicans and the Tea Baggers would go apeshit over that picture.

25 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 7:25:26pm

re: #24 Mattand

Can you imagine if FDR ran today? The Republicans and the Tea Baggers would go apeshit over that picture.

They all had pictures like that then. And Pink was a manly color - gets them ready for the blood of combat! ;)

26 freetoken  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 7:25:50pm

Speaking of privacy issues and people not really knowing how their modern gadgets work:

How to Hide Your Genome

Mostly more scaremongering over DNA sequencing.

27 Gus  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 7:26:03pm

Tonight!

Youtube Video

28 freetoken  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 7:26:46pm

re: #25 William Barnett-Lewis

He was quite the dandy.

29 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 7:27:45pm

New feature in LGF Pages - if a Page gets 10 or more up-dings, it’s now automatically promoted to the Featured list.

30 HoosierHoops  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 7:28:33pm

re: #23 William Barnett-Lewis

You live in the North Woods? That’s pretty cool. We’ll have to get together someday..

31 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 7:31:33pm

re: #30 HoosierHoops

You live in the North Woods? That’s pretty cool. We’ll have to get together someday..

This summer you’ll come have BBQ in Hayward: the boss loves an excuse to build a fire. About 100 miles north & west of where you’re at.

32 Gus  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 7:47:08pm
33 Gus  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 7:52:28pm

NEA 2000 EM26

Youtube Video

34 Gus  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:00:21pm
35 Gus  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:02:52pm
36 Gus  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:03:30pm
37 Gus  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:05:10pm

Listening to the Nibiru track and the siren at the same time is awesome scary. :D

38 darthstar  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:06:42pm
39 Lidane  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:08:13pm
40 darthstar  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:10:13pm

Turns out my wife was on the TV show “Keeping up with the Kardashians” - not by choice…just because she was caught by the camera during “the proposal”…heh. Gotta love it.

41 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:11:13pm

re: #38 darthstar

Best. Science project. Ever.

Heh. I thought I was the only one who was traumatized by science fair. I was never allowed to do my own project or even pick the topic. I always ended up sitting next to a project I obviously didn’t create or understand. I hated it.

42 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:12:01pm

re: #41 Killgore Trout

Heh. I thought I was the only one who was traumatized by science fair. I was never allowed to do my own project or even pick the topic. I always ended up sitting next to a project I obviously didn’t create or understand. I hated it.

Now that I think about I felt the same way about my masters thesis after my advisors got done with it. I hated it.

43 Bridgeghazi: Never Forget!!11!!!!11  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:14:13pm

re: #19 Gus

He sure was a pretty little girl.

44 Gus  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:15:17pm
45 darthstar  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:16:22pm

Is it me? Or is the Olympic flame at the Sochi Games actually a Klingon battle cruiser?

46 Bridgeghazi: Never Forget!!11!!!!11  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:16:34pm

re: #44 Gus
I miss him so much.

47 Kragar  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:18:12pm

re: #45 darthstar

Is it me? Or is the Olympic flame at the Sochi Games actually a Klingon battle cruiser?

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Looks like a Necron ship to me.

48 Gus  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:18:56pm

re: #46 Bridgeghazi: Never Forget!!11!!!!11

I miss him so much.

Carl Sagan - Pale Blue Dot

Youtube Video

49 Kragar  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:20:03pm
50 darthstar  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:20:29pm
51 Cheechako  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:20:37pm

re: #14 HoosierHoops

He’s Back!! Missed you guys.. The winter is brutal in the North Woods. We had 50 days of below zero with wind chills ranging from -35 to -50. I’m going crazy being in the house every day. Insane really, I’m hating life right now. It just won’t stop snowing.. We got 4 inches since noon today…
My only hope is springtime. Winston and I will be in the boat cruising the lake and fishing for dinner and soaking up the sun with no shirt on drinking a beer and enjoying life. I’m holding on by a thread. :)

That’s exactly why some of us Alaskans buy a motor-home, become snowbirds and head to the deserts of western Arizona for warmth. For example, today it was 86 here in the desert whereas it was 25 back home in SE Alaska.

52 Kragar  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:20:53pm

re: #48 Gus

Carl Sagan - Pale Blue Dot

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Carl Sagan-Cosmos edited for rednecks

Youtube Video

53 darthstar  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:21:21pm

re: #50 darthstar

Heh…was copying and pasting a tweet…apparently still had Hank 3 in my clipboard. Good song. Enjoy.

54 Gus  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:24:17pm
55 jaunte  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:26:00pm

Via Steve Brodner:

Breitbart News Network Plans Global Expansion

…The London operation will be run by James Delingpole, most recently a columnist for The Daily Telegraph, whose rants against climate change orthodoxy have been big drivers of web traffic…

Climate change ‘orthodoxy’. Really, NYT?

56 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:28:35pm

re: #55 jaunte

Via Steve Brodner:

Breitbart News Network Plans Global Expansion

Climate change ‘orthodoxy’. Really, NYT?

It’s the idea of neutral language making an appearance.

57 darthstar  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:29:16pm

re: #54 Gus

You tweet dead people.

58 Gus  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:30:23pm

re: #57 darthstar

You tweet dead people.

I honor dead people.

59 Single-handed sailor  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:30:51pm

re: #56 Dark_Falcon

It’s the idea of neutral language making an appearance.

That doesn’t sound very neutral.

60 Gus  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:31:06pm
61 jaunte  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:31:32pm

re: #56 Dark_Falcon

It’s like referring to the ‘orthodox’ view of gravitation.

62 jaunte  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:33:05pm

re: #60 Gus

Also highly recommended: npg.si.edu
(and often missed, since it’s not on the National Mall)

63 Gus  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:36:00pm
64 darthstar  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:37:51pm

re: #63 Gus

Ramones.

65 darthstar  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:41:33pm
66 Gus  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:41:58pm

re: #63 Gus

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No way man that’s Monkees!

67 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:42:32pm

re: #61 jaunte

It’s like referring to the ‘orthodox’ view of gravitation.

Not quite, since the knowledge gaps in the two are quite different.

But it occurred to me that the New York Times might be avoiding defending the AGW scientific consensus at this time. The US is currently experiencing a pretty bad winter right now (the worst Chicago has seen in 30 years, actually) and talk of global warming is liable to be met with hoots and derision at the present time. So the NYT might have decided to elide over the issue when possible for the time being.

68 Aunty Entity Dragon  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:42:56pm

re: #34 Gus

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Classic sci fi cover. Beautiful.

69 Gus  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:43:36pm

re: #68 Aunty Entity Dragon

Classic sci fi cover. Beautiful.

I liked the movie.

70 Aunty Entity Dragon  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:44:10pm

re: #54 Gus

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Is that a P-80 in yer pocket or are ya just happy to see me?

71 Gus  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:44:13pm

The Quiet Earth

Youtube Video

72 Gus  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:44:43pm

re: #70 Aunty Entity Dragon

Is that a P-80 in yer pocket or are ya just happy to see me?

Yep. P-80 Chooting Starbuckets as History Pics might say. :D

73 Aunty Entity Dragon  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:47:42pm

re: #69 Gus

I liked the movie.

I never did get to see it, unfortunately. I remember when it came out.

74 Gus  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:48:13pm

re: #73 Aunty Entity Dragon

I never did get to see it, unfortunately. I remember when it came out.

See #71. :D

75 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:48:30pm
76 Aunty Entity Dragon  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:48:44pm

re: #71 Gus

Cool! I can watch it tomorrow!

77 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:51:48pm
78 jaunte  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:52:22pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

In the comments I see one of the banned from back in the days of the ‘creationism wars’, still can’t let go.

79 Gus  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:52:35pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

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80 The Great Eye  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:53:38pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

Saw the link to his post in the previous thread, Cole loves bringing up that GG is gay and that might be a reason folks don’t like him. a commenter on that BJ post went on to say that you and others here on LGF call GG defenders “Fanboys” cause that’s an obvious anti-gay slur. I’d never heard of “Fanboys” being an anti-gay slur till I read that. Seems like a lot of people over there really want the people who don’t buy GG’s story to be homophobes.

81 Aunty Entity Dragon  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:53:50pm

re: #74 Gus

You may like this little sci fi indy treasure…

Simple, but devastating.

82 Amory Blaine  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:53:51pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

New feature in LGF Pages - if a Page gets 10 or more up-dings, it’s now automatically promoted to the Featured list.

Me and my 9 sockpuppets thank you!!!

//

83 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:55:39pm
84 darthstar  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:56:32pm

I think Russia’s blowing warm air on some of the curves in the Bobsled track to keep opponents from matching the time. They only have to shave 4 or 5 100ths off their competition.

Yep. That’s my CT. Deal with it.

85 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:58:47pm
86 jaunte  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:59:10pm

Must be “not enough for John Cole to do tonight” night.

87 Aunty Entity Dragon  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 9:00:01pm

Another indy sci fi gem…shot on less than 400,00 dollars with mostly non actors…

I thought it was going to be another sharknado catastrophe that i could laugh at with my kid.

I have never been more wrong about a movie. It’s 1947 Italian neo-realism meets road-flick…and there’s monsters. It is a master class in guerrilla film making and it is a far, far better movie than many 200 million dollar sci films I have seen in the last few years. It doesn’t hurt that the director/writer is also an accomplished special effects guy, so he was able to do a lot of work himself. :)

88 Gus  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 9:00:11pm
89 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 9:02:32pm
90 Kragar  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 9:03:33pm

re: #87 Aunty Entity Dragon

Another indy sci fi gem…shot on less than 400,00 dollars with mostly non actors…

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I thought it was going to be another sharknado catastrophe that i could laugh at with my kid.

I have never been more wrong about a movie. It’s 1947 Italian neo-realism meets road-flick…and there’s monsters. It is a master class in guerrilla film making and it is a far, far better movie than many 200 million dollar sci films I have seen in the last few years. It doesn’t hurt that the director/writer is also an accomplished special effects guy, so he was able to do a lot of work himself. :)

If you have the time, check out “The Lost Skeleton of Cadavra”.

Youtube Video

91 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 9:07:37pm

re: #86 jaunte

Must be “not enough for John Cole to do tonight” night.

Cole can’t stand being contradicted by Charles and so he’s going nuts about it. Most of his tweets could be summarized as “OW MY BUTT, IT HURTS!!”.

92 Gus  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 9:08:44pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

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I’m about ready to block him on principle.

93 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 9:10:06pm

re: #92 Gus

I’m about ready to block him on principle.

He’s a mess.

94 Gus  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 9:14:46pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

He’s a mess.

Blocked the both of them. I picked up some stalker that was posting at BJ last year. He posted a screen shot of something I Tweeted on Christmas… yesterday. Really weird.

95 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 9:15:06pm

Listening to my free downloads of De La Soul now.

96 klys  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 9:16:44pm

re: #67 Dark_Falcon

Not quite, since the knowledge gaps in the two are quite different.

But it occurred to me that the New York Times might be avoiding defending the AGW scientific consensus at this time. The US is currently experiencing a pretty bad winter right now (the worst Chicago has seen in 30 years, actually) and talk of global warming is liable to be met with hoots and derision at the present time. So the NYT might have decided to elide over the issue when possible for the time being.

…from people who have no understanding about science, yes.

Which granted, is a non-trivial portion of the population (sadly) but really, apparently we should just avoid reality because it bothers the ignorant.

97 darthstar  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 9:17:40pm
98 Kafitrar  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 9:18:29pm

re: #45 darthstar

Is it me? Or is the Olympic flame at the Sochi Games actually a Klingon battle cruiser?

[Embedded image]

Nah. Putin stole Montreal’s Olympic Stadium.

99 jaunte  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 9:19:49pm

re: #92 Gus

It’s interesting that Cole can’t see this
littlegreenfootballs.com
as journalism too. It’s a piece of information that most of us wouldn’t have unless you found it and posted it, so kudos.

100 Gus  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 9:21:37pm

re: #99 jaunte

It’s interesting that Cole can’t see this
littlegreenfootballs.com
as journalism too. It’s a piece of information that most of us wouldn’t have unless you found it and posted it, so kudos.

Thanks.

101 Interesting Times  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 9:26:27pm

re: #96 klys

Which granted, is a non-trivial portion of the population (sadly) but really, apparently we should just avoid reality because it bothers the ignorant.

Actually, in the tiny-ray-of-hope department, both NBC and CBS ran stories linking the brutal winter to jetstream disruption due to warming-fueled Arctic sea ice melt.

102 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 9:27:21pm

re: #96 klys

…from people who have no understanding about science, yes.

Which granted, is a non-trivial portion of the population (sadly) but really, apparently we should just avoid reality because it bothers the ignorant.

It’s not “no understanding”, its a case that many people have a limited understanding of science and they find the current winter at odds with what they thought AGW meant.

103 SteveMcGazi  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 9:30:26pm

Anybody watching The Tonight Show? That U2 performance was spectacular with the sunset and the city as the backdrop.

104 freetoken  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 9:30:43pm

re: #67 Dark_Falcon

Not only are we having one of the driest years on record, but this has been a very warm winter so far.

The myopia of the east coast media keeps them from reporting that while the eastern US is having a colder than average winter, the rest of the world is not.

105 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 9:36:11pm

re: #104 freetoken

Not only are we having one of the driest years on record, but this has been a very warm winter so far.

The myopia of the east coast media keeps them from reporting that while the eastern US is having a colder than average winter, the rest of the world is not.

Well it sure ain’t been a warm or dry winter in Chicagoland, FT. And given that Chicago is where I live it’s weather is what I most care about.

Besides, last year it was warm here and cold in Europe.

106 freetoken  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 9:36:29pm

30 day global surface temp anomaly:
esrl.noaa.gov

Last month sea surface temp anomaly:
Image: sst.anom.month.gif

107 SteveMcGazi  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 9:37:23pm

I live in Philadelphia, and I think it’s been a wonderful winter. But i’m still a kid after 49 years.

108 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 9:38:01pm

re: #105 Dark_Falcon

Besides, last year SPRING it was warm here and cold in Europe.

ftfy

washingtonpost.com

109 SteveMcGazi  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 9:38:23pm

I’ve made this point before, but it still amazes me that in Philadelphia we have 66 new record high temps since 2000. And only 4 record lows.

110 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 9:39:25pm

re: #102 Dark_Falcon

It’s not “no understanding”, its a case that many people have a limited understanding of science and they find the current winter at odds with what they thought AGW meant.

One of the primary functions of the free press is to inform the public. Instead we have a newspaper abdicating that responsibility out of a chickenshit desire not to offend a population of deliberately ignorant fuckwits.

111 klys  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 9:42:18pm

re: #102 Dark_Falcon

It’s not “no understanding”, its a case that many people have a limited understanding of science and they find the current winter at odds with what they thought AGW meant.

Dark, what you are arguing is that because people don’t understand and in many cases don’t want to understand, we should pretend this isn’t happening.

Science doesn’t give a fuck. Reality doesn’t give a fuck. It’s just going to keep happening, and the window of our ability to make any kind of difference at all is going to keep closing. But sure, pretend that because it’s fucking cold in Chicago, there’s absolutely no other signs of changing climate that might be linked to an overall average increase in temperature.

(P.S. - I would put AGW on the same standing as plate tectonics in the scientific community - sure, you have some crackpots who argue against it for their own reasons, but it’s pretty well accepted that it is happening and the questions are more a matter of degree at this point.)

112 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 9:44:03pm

re: #95 wheat-dogghazi

Listening to my free downloads of De La Soul now.

They took a while to arrive huh. The giveaway response must have been pretty massive. The only albums I didn’t already have were Stakes is High and Remixes, Rarieties and Instrumentals. That Remixes album is awesome, fucking huge.

113 Teukka  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 9:54:35pm

re: #111 klys

Dark, what you are arguing is that because people don’t understand and in many cases don’t want to understand, we should pretend this isn’t happening.

Science doesn’t give a fuck. Reality doesn’t give a fuck. It’s just going to keep happening, and the window of our ability to make any kind of difference at all is going to keep closing. But sure, pretend that because it’s fucking cold in Chicago, there’s absolutely no other signs of changing climate that might be linked to an overall average increase in temperature.

(P.S. - I would put AGW on the same standing as plate tectonics in the scientific community - sure, you have some crackpots who argue against it for their own reasons, but it’s pretty well accepted that it is happening and the questions are more a matter of degree at this point.)

Just a personal note, but some of the science of ACC is simple enough to do in a high-school science class. I have done some as part of my education. It wouldn’t be too hard for a TV channel to rig up a demonstration to show the base science is sound.

As to the deeper knowledge in the field of climatology, there are things in there which one would rather forget, like that the ice cores in Greenland showing that when earth snapped out of the Younger Dryas, it happened fast (as in 1 year, 3 years tops).

That bothers me, that some of the entities are clearly playing on the contingency that the changes will be so gradual that they can safely back off when the evidence becomes overwhelming, while the climate proxy record shows that earth’s climate can change like “O SHI-” and humanity has to face a massive change head on at full speed and strength.

114 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 9:56:33pm

re: #112 goddamnedfrank

They took a while to arrive huh. The giveaway response must have been pretty massive. The only albums I didn’t already have were Stakes is High and Remixes, Rarieties and Instrumentals. That Remixes album is awesome, fucking huge.

The followup email was apologetic, and said the response to the free DL was more than they anticipated. Downloading the zipped albums took no time at all, once I had the links.

Funny thing is, when they first came out, I didn’t pay them much attention. I didn’t acquire an appreciation for rap/hip hop till much later.

115 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 9:56:35pm

I’m weary and I’m going to turn in for the night. Sleep well, all.

116 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 9:56:45pm

re: #111 klys

(P.S. - I would put AGW on the same standing as plate tectonics in the scientific community - sure, you have some crackpots who argue against it for their own reasons, but it’s pretty well accepted that it is happening and the questions are more a matter of degree at this point.)

In any event the mechanism for AGW is basic, readily provable via a sixth grade science fair level experiment. Couple that with the fact that the geologic record never shows C02 levels changing at anything even remotely approaching current rates and you’ve ruled out everything but human activity as the cause.

117 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 9:58:28pm

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

I’m weary and I’m going to turn in for the night. Sleep well, all.

Checking out also, but not to sleep. Have 9 hours to go at work and have at least a 7 hour project to complete prior to leaving

118 Lidane  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 9:59:29pm

re: #103 SteveMcGazi

Anybody watching The Tonight Show? That U2 performance was spectacular with the sunset and the city as the backdrop.

Their acoustic performance was great too, especially once they brought The Roots in. Also, The Evolution of Hip-Hop Dance. Love it.

Yeah, I’ll be watching.

119 freetoken  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 10:00:14pm

“Green Acres”’ actress Mary Grace Canfield dies

Mary Grace Canfield, a veteran character actress who played handywoman Ralph Monroe on the television show “Green Acres,” has died. She was 89.

[…]

120 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 10:01:29pm

re: #111 klys

There are crackpots who question Einstein’s relativity, the Big Bang, germ theory, and the impossibility of perpetual motion/free energy. Even better are the fringists who write their own Theories of Everything in physics, expecting a Nobel Prize any day now, if the benighted science community would only recognize their brilliance.

121 klys  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 10:03:44pm

re: #120 wheat-dogghazi

There are crackpots who question Einstein’s relativity, the Big Bang, germ theory, and the impossibility of perpetual motion/free energy. Even better are the fringists who write their own Theories of Everything in physics, expecting a Nobel Prize any day now, if the benighted science community would only recognize their brilliance.

The problem is that here we have people giving the crackpots a platform and trumpeting this as division within the scientific community and other such bullshit.

No, it’s not. It’s crackpots. But the appeal to authority requires a competing authority, so they’re willing to elevate the crackpots like they mean something.

122 RinaX  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 10:12:23pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

Those horrible Newsmax headlines (and the increasing dudebro-ness of most of the FP’ers) pretty much ended my time at BJ. Thank you for not having those ads here.

Not surprised that John Cole is still on his GG kick. I remember when he was infatuated with Jane Hamsher.

123 Teukka  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 10:15:52pm

re: #116 goddamnedfrank

In any event the mechanism for AGW is basic, readily provable via a sixth grade science fair level experiment. Couple that with the fact that the geologic record never shows C02 levels changing at anything even remotely approaching current rates and you’ve ruled out everything but human activity as the cause.

Actually, there is a theory which says that the Permian extinction event was caused massive lava flows in the Siberan traps which pumped out a lot of CO2 and other nasty gasses into the atmoshpere, which in turn caused global warming of about 5 °C, which in turn caused a release of methane (CH4, a very potent GHG), which caused the global warming to increase by another 5 °C for a total of 10 °C temp increase.

The result? An 90% extinction pulse. For comparison, the K-T extinction pulse was in the ballpark of 60-70%. Granted it was spread over an appreciable amount of time, but who says a long, drawn-out demise will be easier than an immediate one.

And IIRC, the only CO2 increase event which is anywhere near what we are currently experience is the one around the time of the Permian extinction event.

124 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 10:15:54pm

re: #121 klys

The problem is that here we have people giving the crackpots a platform and trumpeting this as division within the scientific community and other such bullshit.

No, it’s not. It’s crackpots. But the appeal to authority requires a competing authority, so they’re willing to elevate the crackpots like they mean something.

Yeah. This. It’s why the Creationists/Intelligent Designists denigrate Darwin so much. They assume he is the “authority” for evolution, and attack him specifically over and over in wrong-headed attempt to bring down evolution. They have no comprehension, even a suspicion, that biology has moved on since Darwin’s day, and that the last 150 years have not only confirmed most of Darwin’s theory but extended the theory of evolution in ways that Darwin never imagined. Telling them that 150 years of scientific research supports Darwin’s ideas has no impact. All they hear is “The Bible is wrong. Darwin was right, so shut up.”

Al Gore is the lightning rod for the AGW denialists for much the same reason. He’s the most visible figure expounding AGW, and the opposing bunch of authoritarians have promoted him to The AGW Authority to Attack. Referring to hundreds of papers supporting AGW has no effect, as above.

Stupid as fenceposts, they is.

125 Mattand  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 10:22:50pm

One of America’s greater shames is that we’re riddled with citizens who are barely one step away from burning scientists as heretics.

126 Kragar  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 10:24:04pm

re: #124 wheat-dogghazi

Yeah. This. It’s why the Creationists/Intelligent Designists denigrate Darwin so much. They assume he is the “authority” for evolution, and attack him specifically over and over in wrong-headed attempt to bring down evolution. They have no comprehension, even a suspicion, that biology has moved on since Darwin’s day, and that the last 150 years have not only confirmed most of Darwin’s theory but extended the theory of evolution in ways that Darwin never imagined. Telling them that 150 years of scientific research supports Darwin’s ideas has no impact. All they hear is “The Bible is wrong. Darwin was right, so shut up.”

Al Gore is the lightning rod for the AGW denialists for much the same reason. He’s the most visible figure expounding AGW, and the opposing bunch of authoritarians have promoted him to The AGW Authority to Attack. Referring to hundreds of papers supporting AGW has no effect, as above.

Stupid as fenceposts, they is.

Real scientists realize that “I don’t know” is a valid response to a scientific question.

Have you ever heard a proponent of Intelligent Design/Creationism use those words when talking about any key point for their “theory”?

127 The War TARDIS  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 10:25:08pm

re: #125 Mattand

Again, this is why we open the floodgates for T51 visas.

128 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 10:28:37pm

Bill Maher has lost that loving feeling toward MSNBC…

Bill Maher Is Breaking Up With MSNBC: ‘You’ve Stopped Leaning Forward’

Bill Maher is launching his own personal protest against MSNBC’s wall-to-wall coverage of the George Washington Bridge scandal.

Maher has been pretty dismissive of the scandal from the beginning, arguing last month that there will be no smoking gun tying New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) to the politically motivated lane closures.

That outlook puts the liberal comedian sharply at odds with MSNBC, which has given significant coverage to the scandal and broken news on the lane closures, so Maher announced in a blog post on Friday that he’s done with the liberal cable news channel.

Whatever we had is not working any more. You’re obviously interested in another man: Chris Christie. You’re obsessed with him. So I wanted you to hear it from me first. I’m going to start seeing other news organizations. I’ll miss what we had. It was a rocket ship ride. We were both passionate flaming liberals and we didn’t care what the world thought of us. It was a glorious time. We finished each other’s Sarah Palin jokes. But now we never talk about any of the things we used to talk about: global warming, gun control, poverty… All because Chris Christie came along and put you under his spell.

Maher went on to say that MSNBC has become no better than Fox News, and that “Bridgegate has become [MSNBC’s] Benghazi.”

“You’ve stopped leaning forward,” Maher added. “Look, I’m no good at being noble, but it doesn’t take much to see that the problems of three little lanes of traffic don’t amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world.”

129 SteveMcGazi  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 10:30:57pm

Too bad for Bill Maher that he thinks this is about a traffic jam.

130 TedStriker  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 10:41:25pm

re: #129 SteveMcGazi

Too bad for Bill Maher that he thinks this is about a traffic jam.

What was said about Watergate may wind up holding true about Bridgegate: it’s not necessarily the crime (as it were) that does you in, it’s the coverup.

131 Mattand  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 10:51:28pm

As someone who has to put up with Christie as governor, Maher should do with his concern trolling about the GWB scandal what he should with his anti-vax idiocy: shut the fuck up and get a clue.

We still have no answer as to what got the whole mess going in the first place, but since Bill is looking to get Balance Fairy on (“See? MSNBC is just as bad Fox!!! For reals!!!), we need to pretend this never happened.

Here’s a New Rule for Maher: the only mainstream TV news org that took the GWB scandal seriously in the first place was MSNBC. If it wasn’t for them, Christie would still be making snide remarks about what a stupid fairy tale it was.

When CNN or (snort) Fox starts doing actual reporting on it, then maybe he’ll have a point. Until then, STFU.

132 Gus  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 10:53:17pm

“Man Got Killed By train While trying to kill a Woman”

I’d link the video but you know. I laughed though.

133 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 11:19:50pm

re: #128 NJDhockeyfan

Bill Maher has lost that loving feeling toward MSNBC…

Bill Maher Is Breaking Up With MSNBC: ‘You’ve Stopped Leaning Forward’

Maher went on to say that MSNBC has become no better than Fox News, and that “Bridgegate has become [MSNBC’s] Benghazi.”

“You’ve stopped leaning forward,” Maher added. “Look, I’m no good at being noble, but it doesn’t take much to see that the problems of three little lanes of traffic don’t amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world.”

God, how many times I’ve heard that emoprog line over the years. “You’re not focusing on the things I think are important! Stop focusing on politics, I want wall-to-wall coverage of global warming/gun crime/poverty/etc because I think it doesn’t get enough screen time!” Thing is, like Watergate a generation ago, the GWB scandal is a slow-rolling one with a cast of characters who all know something but are waiting on the right deal before spilling the beans. Maher would have been sneering at the Washington Post for devoting so much space to the ongoing investigation into the Watergate break-in and connections to the White House when he wanted them to be talking about Vietnam and industrial pollution.

134 Single-handed sailor  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 11:21:39pm

I’m watching a stream of CBC coverage of Sochi, it’s raining. Why can’t the USA get good coverage of the Olympics? Fuck you, NBC.

135 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 11:23:53pm

re: #134 Single-handed sailor

I’m watching a stream of CBC coverage of Sochi, it’s raining. Why can’t the USA get good coverage of the Olympics? Fuck you, NBC.

Two words: Ad revenue.

136 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 11:35:12pm

Countries like Canada who have publicly-owned networks are getting the Olympics games in real-time and with little advertising to break-up the events. Here in the US, where we sneer at the idea of publicly-owned anything, the games are licensed to a company whose approach to the Games is to air them only during “peak” hours, with as much advertising as possible, and just generally making a mess of the whole thing.

137 Single-handed sailor  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 11:40:39pm

re: #136 Targetpractice

and 20 hours later…

/this snowboard cross is awesomely crazy.

138 Single-handed sailor  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 11:41:42pm

It’s like sprint car racing - crashes everywhere.

139 freetoken  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:37:14am
140 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:49:49am

Think what gets me about the emoprog/dudebro attitude towards the GWB scandal, that it’s “not that big a deal,” shows just how hypocritical they are when it comes to all their talk about the NSA issue being about “abuses of power.” Even if they believe that Christie had no personal knowledge of the plan, that the people involved were high-placed officials in his own administration, the lead conspirator a guy he put in an office created at his insistence in order to give himself an inside hatchet man at the Port Authority, does not instill in one any confidence that a Christie presidency would be devoid of the sort of “abuses of power” they’re raising fits over. It’s even worse if they believe Christie had no knowledge, because it invokes the same excuses that followed Watergate and Iran-Contra, both incidents that make the NSA “scandal” pale in comparison.

141 freetoken  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:51:29am

Restored original recording, from 1902, the original recording of this standard.

MP3 Audio

142 Kragar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:58:53am

Ronnie James Dio from the early 60s

“I won’t stop trying till I make disturbance in your mind!”

Youtube Video

143 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:03:20am

re: #51 Cheechako

That’s exactly why some of us Alaskans buy a motor-home, become snowbirds and head to the deserts of western Arizona for warmth. For example, today it was 86 here in the desert whereas it was 25 back home in SE Alaska.

Haha, we’ve had single digits and teen temps here in NC and 9” of snow from last week that’s finally melting away. One day last week it was 25 deg for more than 24 hrs. And none of us left. Hell, we couldn’t even drive in it it was so bad. Even the beach was iced over. The Canadians must have thought they were at home—they come to the beaches down here and swim when it’s 40 deg outside. Gulf Stream and all, you know, keeps the water fairly tolerable and there are no ice floes around.

Yeah, we know all about Alaska snowbirds and Arizona from Sarah Palin who bought a house in AZ (along w/her dumbass daughter) with all her ill-gotten gains she hid in it, buying it through a Delaware corporation.

144 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:40:47am

Germany is just stuck between 40 and 50° F (5-10°C) for the rest of the week.

145 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:01:17am

Ouch. I thought it was later than 5 am because the munchkin got up.

Yes, it pissed me off that Clapper wasn’t more prepared than he was and got flustered because everyone already knew, and should have suspected, that the NSA was collecting metadata after the Patriot Act was passed, but I guess too many were pissed off about the PA itself and whining so much they couldn’t think of what it actually meant because they didn’t bother to read it.

The NSA allowed Greensnow to grab the narrative from the beginning after Snowden’s revelations. I also wish 2 things had been written in the PA—restriction of contractor hiring in sensitive positions, and more definitive interpretation of what is allowable in collecting personal information from US citizens by outside, third parties. Was anyone warned by the cell phone companies that their information was open for mining from anyone? Did anyone bother to ask when they bought their cell phone?

Even as ignorant as I am about technology (which I see as a tool, nothing more), I seldom use a cell phone for anything and still have a home phone, which is much cheaper than a cell phone ($20/mo vs $50 my grandson pays). Since I’m home most of the time, a cell phone really isn’t needed. Even if I worked, I wouldn’t have a personal use for one. I hate the tiny keys and the tiny screens and there’s some irony, too, when people are getting huge screens for their computer gaming and home use, yet you can watch movies on a cell phone? Sure, older people don’t move as fast to accept some technology as fervidly as younger people, but sometimes, just sometimes, there’s an advantage to that, esp when you’re not wearing yourself out trying to keep up with them. I love talking with people, but in person (body language is an important part of understanding another), and I prefer to take my time even writing something like this. How many times have you been having a face-to-face and someone’s cell phone rings? Cell phones remove “thought”, thoughtfulness, real human contact, and preparation from a lot of people to a large degree because they’re ubiquitous and always seemingly in hand.

People should have thought about all those radio towers going up and said, WTF? But I suppose their feeble brains didn’t connect the towers with cell phones? All they saw were the shiny new gadgets and have been entranced ever since.

P.S. No, I’m not a Luddite. I accept technology, but always with reservations, just as I do any other product.

146 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:05:01am

I own a stupid phone, for my work, so people can reach me when I am not at home.

Use a prepaid card and only call or text from it when necessary.

I am likewise to Luddite, if someone can demonstrate that something is useful, I will embrace it. But with reservations. I don’t post anything on Facebook unless it is something I don’t mind sharing with the whole world.

147 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:12:57am

re: #146 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

I own a stupid phone, for my work, so people can rach me when I am not at home.

Use a prepaid card and only call or text from it when necessary.

I am likewise to Luddite, if someone can demonstrate that something is useful, I will embrace it. But with reservations. I don’t post anything on Facebook unless it is something I don’t mind sharing with the whole world.

See, that’s another thing that has changed. Work. “…so people can rach(sic) me when I am not home.”

Never mind that you’re on your own time? That is no longer respected if you must be reached no matter what. No one is that important if others are prepared. Is work no longer a smooth running collaboration, but just a collection of individuals that must be available at all times if one or the other screws up?

I would hate having that kind of job. No wonder so many people are so fucking stressed out and neurotic today.

I never belonged to a company when I was off their clock, so I might not survive in today’s work world.

148 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:14:54am

re: #147 Justanotherhuman

I am self-employed and work in the tourism industry, that means weekends and odd hours. And I don’t have to answer the phone if I don’t want to be disturbed…

149 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:25:29am

re: #148 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

I am self-employed and work in the tourism industry, that means weekends and odd hours. And I don’t have to answer the phone if I don’t want to be disturbed…

OK, then, it’s your business.

I’ve been viewing the original “House of Cards” on Netflix (it’s 20 yrs old) and one of the things that is quite different from the American version is that it’s not full of technology, with people constantly being interrupted everywhere by their cell phones by frantic others. Francis Urquhart in this series is much more devious and deadly than the American version as well; Ian Richardson is perfect in the role. The Brits do murder very, very well.

It’s entirely wonderful, BTW, and Michael Kitchen plays a great king in the second season. : )

I’ve been wondering also, since I tend to watch a lot of British TV: Do British men suffer much from male pattern baldness? I have yet to see a leading role with lots of hair. Is it the weather over there, or what?

150 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:26:59am

‘Morning, All.

EXCLUSIVE: National clown shortage may be approaching, trade organizations fear

nydailynews.com

TPGOP Responds with Round-the-Clock Production

151 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:29:06am

re: #149 Justanotherhuman

Just started watching the second series of HoC (through my girlfriend’s iPad over her Apple TV app), we are interested in seeing the original once we run out of episodes.

But I was thinking the same thing while watching an Alan Arkin Film, Slums of Beverly Hills, set in the 70’s, not a phone or even a computer screen in sight…

152 chadu  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:38:12am

re: #150 Decatur Deb

‘Morning, All.
EXCLUSIVE: National clown shortage may be approaching, trade organizations fear

What is the state of the US Clown Reserve, that’s my question!

(All the updings.)

153 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:39:52am

re: #152 chadu

What is the state of the US Clown Reserve, that’s my question!

(All the updings.)

We cannot become dependent on foreign clown imports!

154 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:53:11am

re: #153 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

We cannot become dependent on foreign clown imports!

There might be a squirting flower gap!!

155 chadu  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:56:16am

re: #154 Decatur Deb

There might be a squirting flower gap!!

My Congressional district is home to key producers in the floppy footwear industry! I believe we need Federal funding to help shore up our clown-supporting patriots!

156 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:01:15am

re: #155 chadu

My Congressional district is home to key producers in the floppy footwear industry! I believe we need Federal funding to help shore up our clown-supporting patriots!

Our clowns turned down the union—we’re a right-to-jerk state.

157 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:17:56am

It has been downhill ever since Detroit stopped manufacturing tiny cars that hold 27 people…

158 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:34:58am

Wingnut is butthurt over Fake Quote.

159 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:36:47am

HAHAHA!

160 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:40:35am

re: #159 Pie-onist Overlord

HAHAHA!

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Is Tiffany’s history deg from Liberty U? Har.

161 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:41:12am

re: #159 Pie-onist Overlord

Is Tiffany backing you up? I can’t tell without opening up Twitter, and there be dragons!

162 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:42:38am

re: #161 wheat-dogghazi

Is Tiffany backing you up? I can’t tell without opening up Twitter, and there be dragons!

Tiffany is a fellow “Libtard”

163 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:43:23am

re: #160 Justanotherhuman

Is Tiffany’s history deg from Liberty U? Har.

Could be from Hillsdale. I can’t imagine anybody coming out the Liberty meatgrinder and not being fucked up.

164 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:44:50am

JHC.

Former US congressman arrested in Zimbabwe

bigstory.ap.org

“Reynolds, an Illinois Democrat, resigned from his congressional seat in 1995 after he was convicted of 12 counts of statutory rape, obstruction of justice and solicitation of child pornography.

“The Herald said Reynolds was arrested Monday by police detectives and immigration officials at a Harare hotel.

“A spokeswoman for the U.S. Embassy, Karen Kelley, said the embassy could not comment as it was a private matter and the embassy did not did not have a privacy waiver.”

165 Lidane  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:47:09am

Salon has actually wasted time and space on an article asking if waxing makes a woman a bad feminist. What. The. FUCK.

Waxing has nothing to do with feminism. It’s basic maintenance FFS. And it’s exactly this kind of First World, middle class white “problem” that makes feminism something that blue collar and minority women see as alien in their lives.

166 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:48:30am

re: #123 Teukka

Actually, there is a theory which says that the Permian extinction event was caused massive lava flows in the Siberan traps which pumped out a lot of CO2 and other nasty gasses into the atmoshpere, which in turn caused global warming of about 5 °C, which in turn caused a release of methane (CH4, a very potent GHG), which caused the global warming to increase by another 5 °C for a total of 10 °C temp increase.

The result? An 90% extinction pulse. For comparison, the K-T extinction pulse was in the ballpark of 60-70%. Granted it was spread over an appreciable amount of time, but who says a long, drawn-out demise will be easier than an immediate one.

And IIRC, the only CO2 increase event which is anywhere near what we are currently experience is the one around the time of the Permian extinction event.

To put this in perspective, the Siberian eruptions are thought to have taken at least 200K years to double atmospheric CO2. So there’s still nothing in the geologic record that even remotely approximates the rate of the current, human caused increase. Do all the math and we’re somehow changing the composition of the atmosphere at least two orders of magnitude faster than any known prior event.

167 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:50:18am

re: #165 Lidane

Salon has actually wasted time and space on an article asking if waxing makes a woman a bad feminist. What. The. FUCK.

Waxing has nothing to do with feminism. It’s basic maintenance FFS. And it’s exactly this kind of First World, middle class white “problem” that makes feminism something that blue collar and minority women see as alien in their lives.

I thought Feminism was about empowering a woman to do whatever she feels best for herself. But Salon has tuned into a forum for self-obsessed whining types to worry about whatever they do or not do and why they should or should not, etc.

168 Lidane  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:54:40am

Please proceed:


If Stockman ended up beating Cornyn in the GOP primary I would burst something laughing.

169 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:56:30am

re: #164 Justanotherhuman

JHC.

Former US congressman arrested in Zimbabwe

bigstory.ap.org

“Reynolds, an Illinois Democrat, resigned from his congressional seat in 1995 after he was convicted of 12 counts of statutory rape, obstruction of justice and solicitation of child pornography.

“The Herald said Reynolds was arrested Monday by police detectives and immigration officials at a Harare hotel.

“A spokeswoman for the U.S. Embassy, Karen Kelley, said the embassy could not comment as it was a private matter and the embassy did not did not have a privacy waiver.”

Whatever. Here’s a story from AllAfrica.com

Former United States Congressman for Chicago Melvin Jay Reynolds, who came into Zimbabwe last year purporting to be a middleman for foreign investors in the tourism industry, was yesterday arrested for violating immigration laws and possessing pornographic material. He had also accumulated bills worth US$24 500 at two hotels which he was yet to pay.

He allegedly took lots of pornographic photos and videos there, And he overstayed his visa.

170 Lidane  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:58:43am
171 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:01:15am

re: #45 darthstar

Klingon battle cruiser, or a whole lotta structures inspired by sexual organs.

But I repeat myself. /

172 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:02:03am

re: #170 Lidane

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When will he learn that showing mercy is a sign of weakness?

173 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:03:43am

re: #134 Single-handed sailor

174 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:11:42am

re: #165 Lidane

Salon has actually wasted time and space on an article asking if waxing makes a woman a bad feminist. What. The. FUCK.

Waxing has nothing to do with feminism. It’s basic maintenance FFS. And it’s exactly this kind of First World, middle class white “problem” that makes feminism something that blue collar and minority women see as alien in their lives.

It’s the third wave thing and “waxing” doesn’t even have anything to do with “basic maintenance”. Second wavers like myself (working class), even if they were middle class or came from that background, eschewed all that crap sold by industry to make women “beautiful” (since we’re not considered so in our natural state and learn to hate our own appearance).

When I first heard about “lipstick lesbians” (a Hollywood phenomenon at the time) back in the ’80s, I knew this was coming hard and strong. Beauty pageants were natural protest sites back in the day, the idea being that women should not have to sell themselves as calendar pinups in order to score a college scholarship but be seen as intelligent on their own without having to buy into Madison Ave’s idea of “beauty”.

It’s all about marketing, not about feminism.

175 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:17:52am

re: #174 Justanotherhuman

It’s the third wave thing and “waxing” doesn’t even have anything to do with “basic maintenance”. Second wavers like myself (working class), even if they were middle class or came from that background, eschewed all that crap sold by industry to make women “beautiful” (since we’re not considered so in our natural state and learn to hate our own appearance).

When I first heard about “lipstick lesbians” (a Hollywood phenomenon at the time) back in the ’80s, I knew this was coming hard and strong. Beauty pageants were natural protest sites back in the day, the idea being that women should not have to sell themselves as calendar pinups in order to score a college scholarship but be seen as intelligent on their own without having to buy into Madison Ave’s idea of “beauty”.

It’s all about marketing, not about feminism.

My daughters got me into eyebrow waxing and all that stuff, because they didn’t want me to look all scuzzy at their weddings.

What I don’t understand is the “Brazilian” wax. That has to be PAINFUL. And if you’re not a swimsuit model why go through that?

176 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:20:32am
177 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:25:37am

HURR HURRR!!!!

178 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:27:12am

We’
rere: #176 Pie-onist Overlord

Same photo, except he says earlier that AFP confirmed deaths. I’m going to check.

179 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:28:09am

Then, this:

180 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:29:27am

Morning! A little groggy this day, stayed up to catch Jimmy Fallon do his first Tonight. I like his little comedy bits and his history of hip-hop dancing with Will Smith was pretty fun. Looks like he is going to carry over a lot of what he did on Later which is good. Too bad I many times will miss it, just like Later, but that is what the ‘net is for with YouTube and Hulu, etc.

I see there was a bit about Bill Maher divorcing himself from MSNBC because they cover the Christie thing like Fox does Benghazi. Prediction…if there is evidence that comes out and it takes Christie out of national politics and out of the governorship, Maher will glom on and do bits about it. Simply Maher can be an ass, so maybe distancing will be a creditable thing. Sure Bill can get off a funny from time to time, but he can also be an insufferable jacktard.

And regarding this thread and the whole NSA thing, I tried to break it down to a very simple nothing burger in post #21. Bottom line people should never have trusted privacy on a “radio” device. Radios are on public airwaves controlled by the FCC and can be listened to by whoever has a receiver. Too bad people didn’t know that, but, that is what happens when you don’t know how your devices work as Charles pointed out a few comments later.

181 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:30:27am

Here is live streaming in Kiev:

ukrstream.tv

182 Lidane  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:30:38am

re: #175 Pie-onist Overlord

My daughters got me into eyebrow waxing and all that stuff, because they didn’t want me to look all scuzzy at their weddings.

That’s what I do. I get my eyebrows done and shaped regularly. That’s why I see it as basic maintenance. I don’t have a steady hand with tweezers because that shit hurts and I’m not about to wax them myself. I’d rather pay someone else to do it so I know that I’ve got cleaned up, neatly shaped brows.

183 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:31:06am

Good morning Lizards!

2-4” of fresh snow in the Philadelphia area and overcast skies. However, temps are supposed to be in the 40s F by this afternoon. On-and-off Rain and cloudy with the same temps for the rest of the week it looks like.

184 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:34:15am

re: #13 Charles Johnson

Most people are completely oblivious to the details of how their magical gadgets do what they do. So when the NSA stories started coming out it was easy for the Snowdenistas to portray it all as menacing and evil.

I hope in the long run the increased knowledge of privacy issues will be worth the truly horrible damage this is doing to US intelligence.

Nope. It will be blissfully ignored as people continue to flock to social media sites that take every byte of data you input and massage it into something that will make someone else money. These companies are doing far more with far more private data than anything even contemplated by the government. And they’ve got willing partners all over the place - whether its journalists like Greenwald and Poitras who play down or outright ignore those actual threats to play up the threat the NSA poses to US citizens, businesses and industries that seek to profit from data aggregation, to the stock markets that reward creative uses of all that data to make others money.

185 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:35:14am

re: #181 Justanotherhuman

Here is live streaming in Kiev:

ukrstream.tv

What’s going on there? I see Molotov cocktails flying, fires, and it looks like a fire hose spraying water.

186 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:37:45am

re: #183 Feline Fearless Leader

Good morning Lizards!

2-4” of fresh snow in the Philadelphia area and overcast skies. However, temps are supposed to be in the 40s F by this afternoon. On-and-off Rain and cloudy with the same temps for the rest of the week it looks like.

Last evening was strange weather here in central Ohio. A normal day around 33° and nothing really happening. Around 5 pm the skies darkened early, started to rain a bit then quickly it was sleeting, then it warmed up to 37 and big wind gusts blew through all in about an hour. Currently 36° and headed for partially sunny. Just a few miles north it is more snow and ice with road and school closures. I guess the Columbus area lucked out. Sure has been a strange and eventful winter. Looks like 57° on Thursday with severe storms and back to 34° on Friday. Wheeeeeee….!

187 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:39:34am

re: #182 Lidane

That’s what I do. I get my eyebrows done and shaped regularly. That’s why I see it as basic maintenance. I don’t have a steady hand with tweezers because that shit hurts and I’m not about to wax them myself. I’d rather pay someone else to do it so I know that I’ve got cleaned up, neatly shaped brows.

Haha, I have no eyebrows. So I wear bangs to cover my forehead so I don’t have to “draw” them on.

188 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:39:51am

re: #184 lawhawk

Nope. It will be blissfully ignored as people continue to flock to social media sites that take every byte of data you input and massage it into something that will make someone else money. These companies are doing far more with far more private data than anything even contemplated by the government. And they’ve got willing partners all over the place - whether its journalists like Greenwald and Poitras who play down or outright ignore those actual threats to play up the threat the NSA poses to US citizens, businesses and industries that seek to profit from data aggregation, to the stock markets that reward creative uses of all that data to make others money.

I likened Greenwald to P.T. Barnum, playing on ignorance to make a career.

189 Teukka  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:40:55am

re: #166 goddamnedfrank

To put this in perspective, the Siberian eruptions are thought to have taken at least 200K years to double atmospheric CO2. So there’s still nothing in the geologic record that even remotely approximates the rate of the current, human caused increase. Do all the math and we’re somehow changing the composition of the atmosphere at least two orders of magnitude faster than any known prior event.

True that. Just wanted to point out that the level of CO2 isn’t that healthy either considering previous climate history.

190 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:43:47am

re: #185 NJDhockeyfan

What’s going on there? I see Molotov cocktails flying, fires, and it looks like a fire hose spraying water.

Mostly speakers and patriotic songs. The Euromaidan stage in the background, in front of the “Dynamo” football stadium (from what I gather). This is Euromaidan’s staging area for their rallies.

191 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:46:29am

re: #188 ObserverArt

As did I.

Journalists are supposed to be critical thinkers, but the herd mentality is driving this to real bad places. And Greenwald’s going to milk this for as much as possible, and he’s taken the PT Barnum method of journalism. Suckers born every minute. There’s just enough fact in Greenwald’s reporting to be interesting or newsy, but it’s so laden with opinion and innuendo that the facts get lost. It’s all about the narrative.

Greenwald also takes on the classic personality of a bully/troll whenever anyone dares question his reporting, interpretation, or even recitation of facts about the Snowden docs.

192 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:46:47am

re: #188 ObserverArt

I likened Greenwald to P.T. Barnum, playing on ignorance to make a career.

Also was able to take advantage of 40-50 years of groups (and then entire political parties) yelling and fearmongering about not trusting the government about *anything*.

193 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:49:44am

re: #190 Justanotherhuman

Mostly speakers and patriotic songs. The Euromaidan stage in the background, in front of the “Dynamo” football stadium (from what I gather). This is Euromaidan’s staging area for their rallies.

The protesters look more riled up that usual.I assume all those busses are for all the police.

194 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:50:19am

re: #191 lawhawk

As did I.

I didn’t get through that thread…so i missed it. But yeah, P.T. Barnum he is. I guess his new web site will be the traveling circus. They will walk the elephants through each and every computer, then the clowns will pile out of the little car. After everyone gets off, some poor saps will come by with brooms and dustpans to clean up the droppings and off to the next story.

195 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:51:27am

What a douchebag.

196 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:55:18am

Some folks in NY, like Fred Dicker, have been slamming the SAFE act and Gov. Cuomo for losing jobs as Remington firearms looks to build a new factory out of the state.

Except that Remington is expanding operations, they aren’t shuttering the NY factory. They’re opening a new factory in Alabama because of increased demand. So, the critics are now spinning this as a lost jobs opportunity because of SAFE.

For Remington this makes sense because they’re moving their production much closer to where demand is.

197 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:55:59am

Can someone explain why Wingnuts love this meme so much? How fucking stupid are they?

198 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:56:37am

re: #197 Pie-onist Overlord

Can someone explain why Wingnuts love this meme so much? How fucking stupid are they?

I am assuming that this is a rhetorical question.

199 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:59:41am

re: #181 Justanotherhuman

Here is live streaming in Kiev:

ukrstream.tv

More live streaming here.

Youtube Video

200 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:02:06am

re: #189 Teukka

True that. Just wanted to point out that the level of CO2 isn’t that healthy either considering previous climate history.

It should be pretty obvious what carbon dioxide can do from the way people heated their houses, both with wood, peat, and coal, and no or little ventilation over centuries. Most developed some form of respiratory illness and weakened immune systems and left themselves open to contracting various diseases more readily, with a shortened life span. In medieval years, for instance, ordinary people lived in one or 2 room houses, with a brazier in one room on which to cook and heat w/no chimney. Glass windows did not exist, nor did sashes, and openings were sealed. “Consumption” was rampant. The more well-off had a fireplace which served as heat source and for cooking as a brazier served in poorer homes, but it was still a pretty smoky affair with no house ventilation except the chimney which had to be cleaned often. You can see those single huge fireplaces in many of the Tudor and Georgian homes in the UK these days that haven’t been covered up or remodeled out of existence yet.

201 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:04:40am

re: #196 lawhawk

Some folks in NY, like Fred Dicker, have been slamming the SAFE act and Gov. Cuomo for losing jobs as Remington firearms looks to build a new factory out of the state.

Except that Remington is expanding operations, they aren’t shuttering the NY factory. They’re opening a new factory in Alabama because of increased demand. So, the critics are now spinning this as a lost jobs opportunity because of SAFE.

For Remington this makes sense because they’re moving their production much closer to where demand is.

Remlin? Increased demand? I find that hard to imagine as their QC has fallen like a rock since they were bought by Freedom Group and even more so since Marlin was added. The last new Remington I looked at was unsafe to shoot as it was, new in box. I don’t know anyone right now who is buying post 2009 Remlins.

As or Alabama, right to exploit = low wage cost, minimal education standards & lack of infrastructure due to low tax base? Not as bad as Mississippi (they still have the history of Redstone to inspire some attempt to be in the 1st world), but I’ll certainly never want to buy anything mass produced at that facility.

202 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:06:40am

re: #193 NJDhockeyfan

The protesters look more riled up that usual.I assume all those busses are for all the police.

203 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:08:18am

re: #201 William Barnett-Lewis

Remlin? Increased demand? I find that hard to imagine as their QC has fallen like a rock since they were bought by Freedom Group and even more so since Marlin was added. The last new Remington I looked at was unsafe to shoot as it was, new in box. I don’t know anyone right now who is buying post 2009 Remlins.

As or Alabama, right to exploit = low wage cost, minimal education standards & lack of infrastructure due to low tax base? Not as bad as Mississippi (they still have the history of Redstone to inspire some attempt to be in the 1st world), but I’ll certainly never want to buy anything mass produced at that facility.

Our German assembly line workers are better cheaper than their German assembly line workers.

204 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:10:16am

re: #202 Justanotherhuman

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Jesus Christ, the YouTube link is showing the front line. They are battling pretty hard.

205 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:12:46am

re: #197 Pie-onist Overlord

Can someone explain why Wingnuts love this meme so much? How fucking stupid are they?

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Because they hate Obama that much. Reality has no bearing. That is why it is pointless to point out how wrong it is. They are doing the equivalent of the hands over their ears and singing lalalalalala.

206 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:13:38am

re: #98 Kafitrar

Nah. Putin stole Montreal’s Olympic Stadium.

He’s welcome to it.

207 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:17:19am

Here’s a fairly decent report from Reuters on what’s happening in Ukraine today.

reuters.com

208 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:20:15am

re: #200 Justanotherhuman

It should be pretty obvious what carbon dioxide can do from the way people heated their houses, both with wood, peat, and coal, and no or little ventilation over centuries. Most developed some form of respiratory illness and weakened immune systems and left themselves open to contracting various diseases more readily, with a shortened life span. In medieval years, for instance, ordinary people lived in one or 2 room houses, with a brazier in one room on which to cook and heat w/no chimney. Glass windows did not exist, nor did sashes, and openings were sealed. “Consumption” was rampant. The more well-off had a fireplace which served as heat source and for cooking as a brazier served in poorer homes, but it was still a pretty smoky affair with no house ventilation except the chimney which had to be cleaned often. You can see those single huge fireplaces in many of the Tudor and Georgian homes in the UK these days that haven’t been covered up or remodeled out of existence yet.

This is the situation in rural China, especially in the northern areas, where people usually heat their homes and cook with coal. And you’ve got drastic air pollution in Beijing and other big cities. Men here smoke cigarettes like chimneys. So you can imagine TB, cancer, and other lung diseases and respiratory ailments are common here.

209 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:20:34am
210 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:21:34am

re: #136 Targetpractice

Countries like Canada who have publicly-owned networks are getting the Olympics games in real-time and with little advertising to break-up the events. Here in the US, where we sneer at the idea of publicly-owned anything, the games are licensed to a company whose approach to the Games is to air them only during “peak” hours, with as much advertising as possible, and just generally making a mess of the whole thing.

If Our Dear Leader has his way the CBC will get a bullet in the head soon. I’m sure it’s one of the things he intends to do before the next election.

If there is a next election.

211 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:22:44am

re: #207 Justanotherhuman

Here’s a fairly decent report from Reuters on what’s happening in Ukraine today.

reuters.com

(Reuters) - Anti-government protesters clashed violently with police in central Kiev on Tuesday, a day after Moscow moved to cement its influence over Ukraine with $2 billion in cash to shore up the former Soviet state’s heavily indebted economy.

Putin is just waiting until next week. I have an ugly feeling about that.

212 darthstar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:22:51am
213 darthstar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:23:46am

Killed my one popup ad of the session. Just in case Cole is keeping count.

214 darthstar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:23:53am

Mornin’

215 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:24:32am

re: #197 Pie-onist Overlord

I tweeted mikandynothem, or whatever his name is, this photo.
Image: 1645116-3x2-940x627.jpg

Doubt it will make any damn difference.

216 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:27:40am

re: #212 darthstar

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Yeah, he finally got a real job in an industry Pres Obama helped revive, and which assistance he was probably against in the first place.

Irony much? No doubt he resents having to join the UAW, too.

217 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:27:41am

re: #209 Justanotherhuman

If #EU & #US have not understood yet, #Ukraine’s regime is heading toward violent crackdown of #Euromaidan today. Stop violence!

It eventually had to come to this sadly. There was no way the power structure was going to give up power. I so hope some outside pressure puts a quick halt to any bloodshed, but human history has a bad record on these types of conflicts.

Sadly the news will be about good will from the Olympics and meanwhile not all that far away good will is destroyed.

By the way…I screwed up earlier. My questioning about the NSA spying on cell phones, etc. and comparing a lot of it to free radio waves that are not private was in #10 in this thread.

218 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:29:46am

re: #188 ObserverArt

I likened Greenwald to P.T. Barnum, playing on ignorance to make a career.

Doesn’t work as an analogy. P.T. Barnum was like Harry Houdini in that he played pranks (humbugs, he called them) freely, but devoted quite a lot of time and energy to exposing ‘spirit mediums’, preachers claiming direct connection with God, and other types of fraudster.

P.T. Barnum would have hated Glenn Greenwald with a passion. and he probably would have pwned Greenwald as brutally as Charles does.

219 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:30:44am

Judging by the streaming videos it looks like just the opposite will be happening in 90 minutes.

220 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:32:07am

re: #210 Romantic Heretic

If Our Dear Leader has his way the CBC will get a bullet in the head soon. I’m sure it’s one of the things he intends to do before the next election.

If there is a next election.

There are real tyrants in the world who have people killed in summary executions. Your comparison of Stephan Harper to them is unfair and unwarranted.

221 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:32:20am

re: #212 darthstar

‘Joe The Plumber’ Describes His New Union Job, Contemplates The Meaning Of ‘Tea Bagger’

Samuel Wurzelbacher is an ass. But he is a good representation of the Tea Bagger ass.

222 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:32:38am

re: #197 Pie-onist Overlord

Can someone explain why Wingnuts love this meme so much? How fucking stupid are they?

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Because Conservatives care about arh troups and libtards arh traitors!

223 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:34:46am

Authorities have shut down subway in Kiev. Now, this. They will more than likely bus in more cops or military, the Berkut with the tituskis, too.

224 darthstar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:35:29am

re: #216 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, he finally got a real job in an industry Pres Obama helped revive, and which assistance he was probably against in the first place.

Irony much? No doubt he resents having to join the UAW, too.

Yep…he said he “had to” join the union. But this was expected. A person can’t just make a career out of confronting a black presidential candidate once in 2008…though he did get about 5-6 years out of that incident.

225 b.d.  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:37:02am

re: #197 Pie-onist Overlord

Can someone explain why Wingnuts love this meme so much? How fucking stupid are they?

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[alternate uiniverse wingnut] OUR TROOPS DON’T HUG & CRY UNDER A REAL AMERICAN PRESIDENT, THEY FIGHT AND KICK ASS!!1!! [/alternative universe wingnut]

226 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:37:27am

re: #223 Justanotherhuman

Authorities have shut down subway in Kiev. Now, this. They will more than likely bus in more cops or military, the Berkut with the tituskis, too.

[Embedded content]

Honestly, the protesters would be smart to disperse just about now. Get clear a good ways before the police deadline. That’s what I’d do, ‘cause the hammer is comin’ down and a smart man makes sure he isn’t standing where the hammer strikes.

227 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:37:40am

re: #216 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, he finally got a real job in an industry Pres Obama helped revive, and which assistance he was probably against in the first place.

Irony much? No doubt he resents having to join the UAW, too.

Article says he draws a distinction “between private unions and public unions”.

Translated from Republicanese: IOKIYAR. Unions are terrible, except for the union that serves me directly.

Also: Yes, we all know what Teabagging is and why it’s so funny that the Fake Tea Party (none of them has even one ounce of the honor and courage that powered the original Boston Tea Party) opened themselves up to be called Teabaggers, but “teabagger” as an insult to gay men is a decidedly less-frequent occurrence than he makes it out to be. Especially post-2008, “Teabagger” is used near-exclusively to refer to that particular brand of RWNJ.

228 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:38:12am

re: #223 Justanotherhuman

Authorities have shut down subway in Kiev. Now, this. They will more than likely bus in more cops or military, the Berkut with the tituskis, too.

[Embedded content]

Yup. It’s about to get very violent. Not good at all.

229 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:39:18am

Authorities are going to isolate those men and slaughter them. Euromaidan is trying to evacuate any women and children. And cell phone service is being shut down in the Zone.

230 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:40:19am

re: #197 Pie-onist Overlord

Can someone explain why Wingnuts love this meme so much? How fucking stupid are they?

[Embedded content]

Because Republicans are real big on empty, meaningless symbolism.

See also: Lapel pins, ‘patriotic’ merchandise, Studmuffin Putin.

231 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:40:32am
232 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:41:08am

re: #227 GunstarGreen

That’s not true and its a distinction I myself have drawn on these boards several times. There are good arguments for government unions being harmful while private-sector unions provide a needed service.

233 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:41:16am

re: #215 wheat-dogghazi

I tweeted mikandynothem, or whatever his name is, this photo.
Image: 1645116-3x2-940x627.jpg

Doubt it will make any damn difference.

I think wingnuts have some lame excuse about it being a specific seat number on a specific aircraft. As if that should be significant for some reason.

234 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:41:17am

Folks were hoping for another Velvet Revolution. It looks like they’re about to get another Hungary instead.

235 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:41:32am
236 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:41:46am

Maybe the MSM will find the time to cover this today. Justin Bieber isn’t scheduled to show up in court today is he?

237 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:42:04am

re: #220 Dark_Falcon

There are real tyrants in the world who have people killed in summary executions. Your comparison of Stephan Harper to them is unfair and unwarranted.

You’ve got your opinion, and I’ve got mine.

238 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:42:38am

re: #233 Pie-onist Overlord

I think wingnuts have some lame excuse about it being a specific seat number on a specific aircraft. As if that should be significant for some reason.

Oh, so it’s vital that soldier hugs be done in aircraft? I guess W didn’t share that memo with Obama.

239 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:44:05am

re: #238 wheat-dogghazi

Oh, so it’s vital that soldier hugs be done in aircraft? I guess W didn’t share that memo with Obama.

Because you know W STRUTTED ON TEH DECK OF AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER AFTER LANDING A FIGHTER JET!!!!!!!!! THAT SHOWS HES A REAL MANLY MAN!!!!!!

Or something.

240 darthstar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:44:24am
241 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:44:43am

In no way is this going to be a fair fight…

242 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:46:34am
243 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:47:13am

re: #239 Pie-onist Overlord

Because you know W STRUTTED ON TEH DECK OF AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER AFTER LANDING A FIGHTER JET!!!!!!!!! THAT SHOWS HES A REAL MANLY MAN!!!!!!

Or something.

Putin vould land jet bare-chested, vidoud oxygen mask.

//

244 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:48:01am

re: #241 Justanotherhuman

In no way is this going to be a fair fight…

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The newest one of ‘Murphy’s Laws of Combat’: “If you find yourself in a fair fight, it means somebody screwed up.”

Murphy was a grunt.

245 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:49:35am
246 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:50:21am

re: #237 Romantic Heretic

You’ve got your opinion, and I’ve got mine.

True. It appears I got mentioned on that thread, too. I don’t agree with you, but I wouldn’t have gone off on you like Rosiee did. I would’ve had to downding Rosiee for insult flinging, in sober point of fact.

247 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:50:54am

re: #245 Gus

OK, whatever, Joe. Glad to see you got honest work finally. Now shut up.

248 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:57:03am
249 darthstar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:58:21am
250 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:00:11am

Guess I shouldn’t be surprised that I check on TV and online and none of the domestic services gives a damn about what’s going on in Kiev. “News? What’s that?”

251 darthstar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:00:31am

Olbermann makes some good points. Yes, Bode brought it up. No, NBC didn’t just air it live - there was an 18 hour delay. The Olympics coverage is reality TV.

252 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:01:18am

It is now 5 pm…they have 1 hr to disperse and lose everything.

253 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:01:32am

re: #218 Dark_Falcon

Doesn’t work as an analogy. P.T. Barnum was like Harry Houdini in that he played pranks (humbugs, he called them) freely, but devoted quite a lot of time and energy to exposing ‘spirit mediums’, preachers claiming direct connection with God, and other types of fraudster.

P.T. Barnum would have hated Glenn Greenwald with a passion. and he probably would have pwned Greenwald as brutally as Charles does.

Dark, I agree, but even your comment admits he played pranks. And he made money on those pranks. In that spirit he can be compared to Greenwald. I remember digging through internet sites to find if he ever said the famous “a sucker is born every minute” quote and came across a site that had a pretty good explanation of the man. I just looked and found it again. Here is a quote that I think fits in…

It was through the success of the American Museum that Barnum realized that conventional ideals could be transformed through ingenuity and innovation. The Museum embodied all that American society sought as they struggled to legitimize a new democratic frontier, and celebrate a newly found personal authority. Whether fact or fiction, the conclusion was less relevant than the experience or opportunity. Barnum was ingenious in presenting speculation within a world of curiosity. He offered a chance to explore the irrational, examine imaginative possibilities, and derive opinions and truths. Even for P.T. Barnum, the American Museum was only the beginning of a lifetime of extraordinary adventure and acquisition of immense personal knowledge and fame.

The bit I put in bold speaks to the point I and I believe Lawhawk was making. He knew how to titillate for profit. Greenwald knows it too. Sure there are many cliches about Barnum that have come to be accepted as truth, but overall he still played on people for personal gain. Barnum was not all negative and mean, but in essence he had a way that many others use today as a business model and Greenwald uses it and the cliche (suckers) both for his gain. I did not intend to slime Barnum with the likes of Greenwald. Barnum was relatively harmless. Greenwald…dangerous. It all comes from how you use the tools that Barnum discovered.

The quote comes from this link The Barnum Museum

254 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:03:13am
255 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:03:39am

The snow plow piles at the end of the driveway between our building is now as high as the top of the garage doors.

One of my dogs had a seizure last night and I’m waiting for the vet’s office to open to see if I can get her in.

Life is always an adventure, isn’t it?

you?

256 darthstar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:05:15am
257 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:07:10am

This is still working, along with Espreso, but different locales.

ukrstream.tv

258 Lancelot Link  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:07:36am

re: #253 ObserverArt

Given the choice, I’d prefer Barnum.

259 darthstar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:10:33am
260 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:10:35am
261 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:11:35am

re: #258 Lancelot Link

Given the choice, I’d prefer Barnum.

So would just about any thinking person. As OA noted, Barnum was not mean spirited in the way Greenwald is and as I noted he was fierce in his opposition to those he regarded as engaging in fraud.

Of course if PT Barnum had lived in New York City for the past several years, he’d likely have gone after Wall Street instead of the NSA.

262 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:13:21am

More reported dead.

263 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:14:19am

re: #239 Pie-onist Overlord

Because you know W STRUTTED ON TEH DECK OF AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER AFTER LANDING A FIGHTER JET!!!!!!!!! THAT SHOWS HES A REAL MANLY MAN!!!!!!

Or something.

It also showed he is a reckless idiot. Can you imagine the outrage had something happened and that jet landing went wrong.

264 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:15:13am
265 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:15:55am

re: #263 ObserverArt

It also showed he is a reckless idiot. Can you imagine the outrage had something happened and that jet landing went wrong.

Just him taking the same risks as any other USN flight crew. And, of course, he wasn’t piloting the plane - he was just a passenger.

266 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:18:24am

re: #251 darthstar

Olbermann makes some good points. Yes, Bode brought it up. No, NBC didn’t just air it live - there was an 18 hour delay. The Olympics coverage is reality TV.

Remember, we are supposed to be outraged that Comcast bought NBC Universal. I’m not sure why, but this is going to be part of it all. I really do expect a slow sludge to creep into NBC. That is just my opinion.

267 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:18:58am

Horrible…

268 darthstar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:19:19am

I should call my parents, tell them to label my room a ‘time capsule’…

269 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:20:51am

Ukraine: 4 dead. WE MUST DO SOMETHING NOW! WHERE’S THE EU!

Syria: over 150,000 dead. WHEW, GLAD WE’RE NOT GETTING INVOLVED.

270 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:21:12am

re: #268 darthstar

Ballantine. Do they sell that still? I remember my dad used to drink it. That and Rheingold.

271 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:23:35am

re: #263 ObserverArt

Everything has some risk to it. Flying into a war zone on AF1 is dangerous, as both Obama and Bush have done.

Obama has, as president, been to both Iraq and Afghanistan. Both are high profile moves conducted with heavy security, but aren’t risk-free. Terrorists could attempt to down the planes, attack the airports where he landed, or any number of attacks along routes the President would take.

President Bush landing on the aircraft carrier was not without risk, but it wasn’t nearly as dangerous as his trips to Iraq or Afghanistan during the wars in both countries (2003 secret trip to Iraq).

272 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:23:39am

re: #123 Teukka

Actually, there is a theory which says that the Permian extinction event was caused massive lava flows in the Siberan traps which pumped out a lot of CO2 and other nasty gasses into the atmoshpere, which in turn caused global warming of about 5 °C, which in turn caused a release of methane (CH4, a very potent GHG), which caused the global warming to increase by another 5 °C for a total of 10 °C temp increase.

The result? An 90% extinction pulse. For comparison, the K-T extinction pulse was in the ballpark of 60-70%. Granted it was spread over an appreciable amount of time, but who says a long, drawn-out demise will be easier than an immediate one.

And IIRC, the only CO2 increase event which is anywhere near what we are currently experience is the one around the time of the Permian extinction event.

The end Permian mass extinction was a culmination of several very bad things which includes the Siberian Traps event, formation of Pangaea (which meant that most of the shallow continental shelf organisms ran out of places to live from habitat loss), possible eustatic sea level change and at least one probable massive bolide strike seen in the Bedout impact structure near Australia. Lot’s of things all went wrong within a very short geological scale of time.

273 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:24:34am

Govt denials already started.

274 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:26:28am

re: #264 Gus

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I know that Barack and Michelle Obama dolls have been made as well, so what I’d like to see would be a photo showing the dolls of the Obamas throwing the Snowden doll into a dumpster. Caption: “Throwing out the trash.”

275 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:27:03am

re: #270 wheat-dogghazi

Yup. Ballantine is distributed by Schaefer.

Rheingold is also available in many parts of US.

276 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:28:05am

re: #275 lawhawk

Yup. Ballantine is distributed by Schaefer.

Rheingold is also available in many parts of US.

OK. They seem to have avoided Kentucky. And of course, China. Bud is big in China, unfortunately.

277 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:28:21am
278 darthstar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:29:03am

re: #274 Dark_Falcon

I know that Barack and Michelle Obama dolls have been made as well, so what I’d like to see would be a photo showing the dolls of the Obamas throwing the Snowden doll into a dumpster. Caption: “Throwing out the trash.”

Even the Obama dolls have more class than that. Sirota already published a pic of Obama shooting Snowden. Isn’t that enough dudebro imagery?

279 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:29:36am

re: #262 Justanotherhuman

More reported dead.

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50 to 60 year old man and woman. How depressing. Hopefully there are ways to get the word out to the world about this. I don’t think too many people, even in their lethargy about the whole thing, will want to hear about elder protesters getting gunned down.

Damn.

280 darthstar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:31:34am

I feel sorry for any poor bastard who thinks this party is still a viable choice.

281 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:32:57am

re: #265 Feline Fearless Leader

Just him taking the same risks as any other USN flight crew. And, of course, he wasn’t piloting the plane - he was just a passenger.

Not all landings on a carrier go the right way all the time. He may have just been a passenger, but he was also the freaking President in very troubled times.

I sure would like to hear others opinions, especially those that are more military/aircraft oriented than I am. And also those that may know more about acceptable risks for presidents.

282 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:33:19am

Euromaidan in English on FB. Another way to keep up with what’s happening in Ukraine right now.

facebook.com

283 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:34:13am

re: #281 ObserverArt

Not all landings on a carrier go the right way all the time. He may have just been a passenger, but he was also the freaking President in very troubled times.

I sure would like to hear others opinions, especially those that are more military/aircraft oriented than I am. And also those that may know more about acceptable risks for presidents.

The pilot must have been chosen for his nerves of steel and landing success rate.

284 darthstar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:34:28am

Nuge alert!

285 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:35:06am

re: #280 darthstar

I feel sorry for any poor bastard who thinks this party is still a viable choice.

The GOP’s only agenda is to oppose, oppose, oppose. The William F. Buckley’s of the GOP have long gone. Today, the GOP is more concerned about snarky insults, bumper sticker slogans, and placating the conservative media. Pathetic. I hope they wither on the vine.

286 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:35:14am

re: #284 darthstar

Nuge alert!

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What’s Abbott going to do when old Ted shits his pants?

287 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:35:16am

re: #278 darthstar

Even the Obama dolls have more class than that. Sirota already published a pic of Obama shooting Snowden. Isn’t that enough dudebro imagery?

I wouldn’t think that image i envisioned to be ‘dudebro’ at all. If anything, I meant it to favor the Obamas over Snowden.

288 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:37:09am

re: #264 Gus

Does the Snowden “action” figure come with a second set of clothing consisting of prison scrubs?

289 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:37:41am

re: #280 darthstar

I feel sorry for any poor bastard who thinks this party is still a viable choice.

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The GOP’s 2014 motto is the same as it’s been the last two elections: “Whatever Democrats are for, we’re against!”

290 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:38:08am

re: #286 Justanotherhuman

What’s Abbott going to do when old Ted shits his pants?

Auction them off. The same asshole that bought Killerman’s “painting” is a likely buyer.

291 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:38:14am

re: #288 Dr. Matt

Does the Snowden “action” figure come with a second set of clothing consisting of prison scrubs?

Comes with a tiny plastic George Polk award.

292 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:38:36am

re: #289 Targetpractice

The GOP’s 2014 motto is the same as it’s been the last two elections: “Whatever Democrats are for, we’re against!”

DO NOT GET ME STARTED!

293 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:38:53am

re: #284 darthstar

Nuge alert!

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Got to hand it to Abbott, he makes Perry look like a decent guy. Gotta love how conservatives bitch and bitch about gangster rap yet they love them the Nuge who has been on record about wanting to put a gun in POTUS’s mouth and refers to those he dislikes ideologically as parasites. I hope Wendy Davis kicks this pathetic asshole’s ass at the polls in November.

294 Lidane  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:39:17am

re: #284 darthstar

Greg Abbott knows the Texas GOP base:

295 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:39:23am

re: #291 Gus

Comes with a tiny plastic George Polk award.

A Nobel Prize Nomination!

Greenwald isn’t giving him a share of the Polk prize.

296 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:40:21am

re: #288 Dr. Matt

Does the Snowden “action” figure come with a second set of clothing consisting of prison scrubs?

It comes with a laptop computer with hotswap hard drive, four USB drives, and phrase books for Chinese and Russian.

297 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:40:42am

re: #269 Gus

Ukraine: 4 dead. WE MUST DO SOMETHING NOW! WHERE’S THE EU!

Syria: over 150,000 dead. WHEW, GLAD WE’RE NOT GETTING INVOLVED.

You make a good point Gus. Sadly there could be another Syria underway, and that is what sickens me. And just like in the Middle East, it looks like the neighbors are just going to either watch or help, but nothing on a large scale to stop it all.

More human madness. Where does the word humane even come from??? The dogs on the streets of Sochi probably care more.

And Lawhawk, thanks for the comment on the Bush carrier landing. I guess I still see landing on a carrier as more risk than landing on the ground.

Time to log out…work to do…later all.

298 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:41:19am

Just like real life, Snowden’s “action” figure lacks any reasonable semblance of genitalia.

299 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:41:28am

re: #294 Lidane

Greg Abbott knows the Texas GOP base:

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I believe we call that the Mitt Romney method. Romney ran away from Nuge’s crazy officially but had no problem appearing with him. Why because he knows his base would go ape shit if he did not.

300 Lidane  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:41:32am

OK. I might actually have to watch Jimmy Kimmel tonight, just to see the full trailer:

Youtube Video

301 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:41:50am
302 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:42:08am

The UIC faculty is committed to educating working-class students. And the point of the faculty’s strike on Tuesday is to help fulfill that mission.

On February 18, the tenure track and non-tenure track faculty who make up the University of Illinois-Chicago faculty union UICUF Local 6456, a member of the Illinois Federation of Teachers and American Federation of Teachers, will walk out of the classrooms and onto the picket line for a two-day strike. Barring a dramatic change-of-heart by university administrators at the bargaining table the weekend, it will be the first faculty strike at a major research university in the US in a very long time.

UIC—Univ of Illinois at Chicago

303 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:43:00am

If I didn’t plan on fighting, I think I would walk, walk, walk…

304 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:43:54am

Students unhappy about University of Michigan’s racial climate

ANN ARBOR — University of Michigan students plan to hold an all-night protest over what they say is low minority enrollment and inclusion on campus.

The 12-hour “Speak Out” event is scheduled to begin Tuesday night and run through Wednesday morning. It’s being hosted by the United Coalition for Racial Justice, a group comprised of undergraduate and graduate students, faculty and staff.

The Ann Arbor News says the event is an extension of a campaign started this year by the Black Student Union, which has criticized the university’s low black enrollment and demanded a series of changes on campus.

305 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:44:19am

re: #302 FemNaziBitch

The UIC faculty is committed to educating working-class students. And the point of the faculty’s strike on Tuesday is to help fulfill that mission.

UIC—Univ of Illinois at Chicago

I anticipate right wing outrage any second now.
Time to privatize the state university systems!!

306 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:45:05am
307 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:45:39am

re: #292 FemNaziBitch

DO NOT GET ME STARTED!

Are you electric start or pull rope start?

308 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:45:54am

re: #301 NJDhockeyfan

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This is the second speaker in a short time on EspresoTV I’ve listened to that, of course can’t understand the language, but I can hear the sorrow in his voice as he speaks forcefully to the crowds.

I think they know what’s coming. They have about 15 minutes before their “time” is up at 1800.

309 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:46:19am

re: #307 b_sharp

Are you electric start or pull rope start?

wouldn’t you just like to know … .

310 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:47:34am

We condemn in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS the violence in Ukraine.

311 Lidane  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:47:35am
312 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:48:00am
313 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:48:11am

re: #309 FemNaziBitch

wouldn’t you just like to know … .

LOL.

314 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:50:12am

This is new. “MBC” is a govt site.

315 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:50:28am
316 Lidane  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:51:25am
317 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:51:28am
318 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:51:52am

re: #315 FemNaziBitch

Schlafly: Immigrants ‘Don’t Really Understand Our Country And Will Probably Vote Democratic’ -

So, a nation of immigrants … .

With statements like that I just can’t imagine why immigrants are not flocking to the GOP.

319 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:52:03am

re: #284 darthstar

Nuge alert!

Dumb, incendiary, crypto-racist quote (which Abbott will silently endorse) in 3…2…1…

320 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:53:20am


And our ambassador to Ukraine gives a weak statement.

Geoffrey Pyatt ‏@GeoffPyatt 10m

We believe #Ukraine’s crisis can still be solved via dialogue, but those on both sides who fuel violence will open themselves to sanctions.

321 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:53:36am

re: #317 FemNaziBitch

That also tends to correlate between urban and suburban areas. Urban areas tend to get more educated people to congregate, while rural areas don’t.

322 RadicalModerate  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:53:59am

re: #294 Lidane

Greg Abbott knows the Texas GOP base:

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Greg Abbott also knows about hypocrisy.

For example, he is one of the loudest opponents of personal injury lawsuits, but he himself got a $10 million settlement (tax-free) from a homeowner whose storm-damaged oak tree fell and paralyzed Abbott. He is also attempting to overturn the Americans with Disabilities Act, claiming the disabled do not deserve protections against discrimination.

dallasnews.com

Personal injury suit

As he forged a new life, he sued Roy Moore, owner of the River Oaks property where the tree fell, and won. While Abbott declines to discuss the settlement terms, the tax-free insurance payout is believed to be worth $10 million or more.

In his initial run for attorney general in 2002, critics accused Abbott of hypocrisy after he condemned trial lawyers who profit from large personal injury payouts. His detractors included Houston lawyer Don Riddle, who represented Abbott in the tree case.

“I take great offense at that, particularly from somebody who has taken advantage of our legal reparations system,” Riddle told an Austin newspaper.

Others say Abbott has missed opportunities to become an advocate for the disabled. He said he has tried to refrain from “public posturing.”

323 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:54:59am

gotta go

Have a great day!

324 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:55:33am


Oops.

325 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:56:15am

re: #319 makeitstop

Dumb, incendiary, crypto-racist quote (which Abbott will silently endorse) in 3…2…1…

Don’t knock the Nuge. I want him as a spokesperson for my new 501 (c) charity: “Guns for the Homeless”. I’m relying on him for outreach to the younger urban communities.

326 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:56:24am

re: #316 Lidane

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In other words, the people who don’t think states should have to obey and abide by federal laws think that the President should be impeached for states governments choosing not to obey and abide by state laws.

My head hurts.

327 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:56:29am

re: #315 FemNaziBitch

Schlafly: Immigrants ‘Don’t Really Understand Our Country And Will Probably Vote Democratic’ -

So, a nation of immigrants … .

Phylilis’s triblal name is Head up asshole. Seriously, if maybe she ever met any immigrants instead of just talking to fellow fascists like herself, she’d know that most immigrants are eager and do assimilate quite well into American culture.

328 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:00:28am

re: #317 FemNaziBitch

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@livegreenordie does not like Teh Juice. (unfollowing)

329 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:01:35am

That is so depressing, to find out that somebody you have been following and retweeting their stuff, has a Juice Problem.

330 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:03:38am

re: #326 Targetpractice

In other words, the people who don’t think states should have to obey and abide by federal laws think that the President should be impeached for states governments choosing not to obey and abide by state laws.

My head hurts.

It’s not about consistency or coherency. It’s about “I don’t have to obey any laws I disagree with”.

331 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:05:34am

re: #330 GunstarGreen

It’s not about consistency or coherency. It’s about “I don’t have to obey any laws I disagree with”.

Which is a motto they’re all okay with, unless they’re actually laws they agree with, in which case they want strict enforcement and anything less is disobeying “the will of the people!”

332 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:08:13am

re: #331 Targetpractice

Which is a motto they’re all okay with, unless they’re actually laws they agree with, in which case they want strict enforcement and anything less is disobeying “the will of the people!”

So it translates as “Respect my arbitrary authority to run your life to the complete advantage of me doing whatever I want to do.”

333 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:08:34am

Violent, Dramatic Clash In Ukraine’s Capital

Liveleak Video

334 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:09:01am
335 Teukka  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:09:53am

re: #272 Aunty Entity Dragon

The end Permian mass extinction was a culmination of >several very bad things which includes the Siberian Traps event, formation of Pangaea (which meant that most of the shallow continental shelf organisms ran out of places to live from habitat loss), possible eustatic sea level change and at least one probable massive bolide strike seen in the Bedout impact structure near Australia. Lot’s of things all went wrong within a very short geological scale of time.

That may be true, but the CH4 clathrates locked up in Siberia and in the world oceans depend on temperature to hold on to it, and if we humans crank up the earths thermostat too much with CO2, it may cause a knock-on effect by methane being released.

And haven’t even touched the thermohaline circulation yet (which too is sensitive to temperature (and salinity)).

And even we don’t have a massive continental rearrangement or a bolide strike to fend with, the changes may still mess things up seriously by means of wars, famine and pestilence. Which can be just as deadly.

336 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:10:40am

re: #332 Feline Fearless Leader

So it translates as “Respect my arbitrary authority to run your life to the complete advantage of me doing whatever I want to do.”

a.k.a. “Leave people the hell alone” in Teabagger-speak.

337 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:10:54am

Man, that’s harsh to watch first thing in the morning. Looks like to cops were completely routed.

338 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:13:15am

re: #337 Killgore Trout

Yes, that would make you sad, wouldn’t it?

I don’t need your trolling today. smh & walks away.

BBL.

339 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:14:35am

Live updates with more pics, video, tweets
euronews.com

340 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:15:33am
341 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:15:41am

re: #336 GunstarGreen

a.k.a. “Leave people the hell alone” in Teabagger-speak.

Not really - they still want authority to impose their viewpoints and class and educational strictures on others.

342 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:17:35am

While there’s focus on the events in Kiev and Venezuela, Thailand continues to be roiled by violent and deadly protests of its own.

Multiple gunshots were heard near the prime minister’s offices, where riot police wearing helmets and bulletproof vests had started to remove protesters and dismantle a makeshift stage. Witnesses said a grenade was thrown at the police and shots were then fired by both sides. The police withdrew after a series of clashes.

In another blow for Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra, the state anti-corruption agency accused her on Tuesday of improperly handling an expensive rice subsidy scheme, putting her in jeopardy of being impeached.

The National Anti-Corruption Commission said Yingluck’s government proceeded with the scheme despite advice from experts that it was potentially wasteful and prone to corruption. The government has been months late in making payments to farmers for the rice they pledged to sell at above-market prices.

The commission said Yingluck has been called to formally hear the charges on Feb. 27. If it decides to submit the case to the Senate for possible impeachment, Yingluck will immediately be suspended from performing her official duties pending a Senate trial.

Yingluck’s elected government has been attempting to avoid violence to keep the powerful military from stepping in. Thailand has been wracked by political unrest since 2006, when Yingluck’s brother, former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, was ousted by a military coup after being accused of corruption and abuse of power. Since then, his supporters and opponents have vied for power, sometimes violently.

343 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:19:20am

re: #339 Killgore Trout

Live updates with more pics, video, tweets
euronews.com

From the first vieo on that site looks like the protesters have geared up since we last saw them. The have some guns now but don’t seem very comfortable using them. Also some shiny new camo fatigues and body armor.

344 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:19:53am

Click on FB for photo.

Looks like an ammunition case.

345 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:20:26am

re: #342 lawhawk

While there’s focus on the events in Kiev and Venezuela, Thailand continues to be roiled by violent and deadly protests of its own.

Not graphic but still tough to watch
Anti-Democracy protester throw hand grenade at riot police
Liveleak Video

346 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:22:07am

A couple of hundred protestors are said to have been injured, in addition to the dead.

347 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:23:34am

re: #341 Feline Fearless Leader

Not really - they still want authority to impose their viewpoints and class and educational strictures on others.

That was the point.

We’ve been remarking on the obvious falsehood of it in the past couple of days with that “Tea Party Conspiracy: Take over … and leave people the hell alone” meme pic going around. Their definition of “leave people the hell alone” is “impose my particular flavor of religious-oriented law”.

348 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:25:00am

re: #315 FemNaziBitch

Only wingnuts understand our country…..

//

349 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:26:08am

Tanks headed for Kiev. Allegedly. Again. Allegedly.

350 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:27:19am

re: #344 Justanotherhuman

Click on FB for photo.

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Looks like an ammunition case.

It is, though tough it looks to have seen previous use. Ammo for AKs is often put into such boxes for ready use. In such cases it is placed on ten-round clips designed for speed loading into a rifle magazine.


Note: The clips themselves do not go into the magazines. I know I’m being over-detailed but I don’t like it when people call magazines ‘clips’.

351 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:28:28am

Wait. Now the tanks morphed into military vehicles.

352 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:29:58am

This is now (it’s night time in Kiev). There are supposed to be around 20K at the rally site. Speeches and talking still going on from the stage, after the deadline.

353 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:31:24am

re: #306 FemNaziBitch

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Because with Faux news they don’t have to spell or fact check their opinions.

354 dell*nix  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:33:58am

Houston lizard waiting for msm in-depth news coverage of Kiev.

flickr.com

355 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:35:30am

I’m seeing large numbers of men on this first video livestream coming from an area of large vehicles. Some are carrying shields. I’m wondering if these are police or titushkis getting ready for some action. This is happening right now.

ukrstream.tv

356 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:35:31am

re: #351 Gus

Wait. Now the tanks morphed into military vehicles.

OMG! Transformer Bots!

357 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:37:43am

re: #355 Justanotherhuman

I’m seeing large numbers of men on this first video livestream coming from an area of large vehicles. Some are carrying shields. I’m wondering if these are police or titushkis getting ready for some action. This is happening right now.

ukrstream.tv

Doesn’t look like a whole lot of people left in the square at this point.

358 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:42:09am

re: #357 Killgore Trout

Doesn’t look like a whole lot of people left in the square at this point.

The second live stream on the UKR site, which showed the gathering just minutes ago, with a huge crowd, has been shut down.

ukrstream.tv

359 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:43:25am
360 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:45:43am

heh…

361 Chrysicat  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:48:16am
362 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:48:46am

re: #360 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh…

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Most of us won’t know that Patience and Fortitude are lions in front of the NY Public Library:

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363 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:49:23am

re: #362 Decatur Deb

Most of us won’t know that Patience and Fortitude are lions in front of the NY Public Library:

Image: nypllions.jpg

I should have mentioned that. Thanks!

364 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:52:34am

re: #359 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yes, here’s a video of 2 coming out from the same spot.

Youtube Video

365 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:54:03am

New LGF Poll-California Might Start Putting Warning Labels on Soda
Read more at littlegreenfootballs.com

Good idea? Bad idea?

366 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:55:51am

re: #361 Chrysicat

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I haz a sad to see the Max-Blumenthalization of too many Liberals Dudebros.

367 darthstar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:56:28am
368 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:57:11am
369 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 8:59:02am

re: #359 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s a BTR. It’s an 8-wheeled Armored Personnel Carrier, with space for a dozen fully equipped soldiers. That particular model has a 14.5mm KPV heavy machine gun with a co-axial 7.62x54R PKM machine gun.

370 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:01:26am

re: #365 Political Atheist

New LGF Poll-California Might Start Putting Warning Labels on Soda
Read more at littlegreenfootballs.com

Good idea? Bad idea?

Stupid waste of time and money. People that swill sugar-water are going to keep swilling sugar-water, even after you slap a label on it that says WARNING: SUGAR IS NOT A HEALTH FOOD.

See also: Cigarettes. Every pack has a Surgeon General’s warning label on it, and how many people does that stop? Exactly 0. Either they know about it already, or they don’t care, that label didn’t do a thing.

371 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:01:39am

As long as there are speakers on the Maidan, as well as opposition MPs, the cops are not going to attack the crowd. They would be fools to do that.

This may go on all night.

372 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:03:00am

Update: Outrageous stunning viral picture not so outrageous or stunning
The Syrian child refugee whose photo hit a nerve online

Some more details here:
‘Lost’ Syrian Refugee Boy in Viral Photo Actually Wasn’t So Lost After All

373 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:05:06am

re: #372 Killgore Trout

details here:
‘Lost’ Syrian Refugee Boy in Viral Photo Actually Wasn’t So Lost After All

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“I always rely on viral Internet repostings for all my news and information needs”

-Teddy Roosevelt

374 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:07:41am

re: #372 Killgore Trout

Who ever said it was “outrageous” or “stunning”?

I still think it was a sweet moment in a sea of horrible images from the same place.
Guess I’m just weird that way.

375 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:09:11am

Wait a second. You mean to tell me that sodas with sugar in them are bad for you and excessive sugar intake may lead to diabetes? Holy shit. First time I ever heard of this.

376 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:09:18am

re: #374 Backwoods_Sleuth

Who ever said it was “outrageous” or “stunning”?

I still think it was a sweet moment in a sea of horrible images from the same place.
Guess I’m just weird that way.

Like the “image of a Syrian boy at his parents’ graves” that turned out to be a posed photograph for an art project…

377 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:10:17am

I only read labels when I’m on the throne and have no reading material available to me. Or when I’m sitting in my spiffy European car smoking a cigarette.

378 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:11:42am

re: #377 Gus

I only read labels when I’m on the throne and have no reading material available to me. Or when I’m sitting in my spiffy European car smoking a cigarette.

bethanyhamilton.com

379 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:12:33am

Another weak response today from the EU’s Catherine Ashton.

Taking up too much space. Will find elsewhere if possible.

380 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:14:59am

That PDF is taking forever to post.

Meanwhile, this was the chant in Kiev today.

Image: 1506031_293454214136330_541796725_n.jpg

381 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:15:04am

re: #378 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

bethanyhamilton.com

Thanks. I barely buy the diet Pepsi as it is. I really don’t like the taste but find that not drinking too much of the stuff makes it more interesting. Some people will go through a six-pack or liter of that stuff every day. I’ll just get a can of Diet Coke sometimes. Once in a blue moon. Etc. Mt. Dew not so much any more. It’s fine if they put a label on it. But people that are too dumb to know by now that too much sugar leads to diabetes won’t be reading some tiny label while they’re sitting down watching television.

382 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:17:07am

re: #376 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

Like the “image of a Syrian boy at his parents’ graves” that turned out to be a posed photograph for an art project…

This stuff happens all the time. Sometimes it’s sloppy journalism looking for sensationalist content, sometimes it’s well funded think tanks pushing a narrative, sometimes it’s just junk on the internet. Most of the time it’s a combination.

383 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:18:19am

Even orange juice. Same shit.

384 Kragar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:18:52am
385 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:19:53am

re: #381 Gus

Thanks. I barely buy the diet Pepsi as it is. I really don’t like the taste but find that not drinking too much of the stuff makes it more interesting. Some people will go through a six-pack or liter of that stuff every day. I’ll just get a can of Diet Coke sometimes. Once in a blue moon. Etc. Mt. Dew not so much any more. It’s fine if they put a label on it. But people that are too dumb to know by now that too much sugar leads todiabetes won’t be reading some tiny label while they’re sitting down watching television.

I drink the stuff occasionally, not as a beverage but as a drug to keep me awake when my brain and body want to sleep but my workload prevents me.

386 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:24:15am

Nyet. Not yet.

387 Kragar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:24:27am
388 Kragar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:25:46am

Well, the Pam’s and Bryan’s of the world should be happy now. They’ve got an army of Christian terrorists engaged in hunting down and killing Muslims in Central Africa.

389 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:27:17am

re: #385 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

I drink the stuff occasionally, not as a beverage but as a drug to keep me awake when my brain and body want to sleep but my workload prevents me.

I tried the six-packs of diet something per day once to cut back on drinking. Felt pretty gross by the end of the day. My main beverage today is Denver tap water. :D

390 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:27:48am

It is a war zone, Max.

391 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:28:25am

And a small pot of Seattle’s Best #5 each morning. Black.

392 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:29:05am

Get ready for the “all unions are bad!” brigade:

393 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:29:28am

re: #390 Justanotherhuman

It is a war zone, Max.

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This sort of thing is expected in Indonesia, in a South or Central American country, or an African one. Not one that is so close to being European.

394 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:29:53am

re: #389 Gus

I tried the six-packs of diet something per day once to cut back on drinking. Felt pretty gross by the end of the day. My main beverage today is Denver tap water. :D

I drink fruit juice mixed with sparkling water for refreshment

395 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:30:32am

re: #391 Gus

And a small pot of Seattle’s Best #5 each morning. Black.

Coffee puritopian!

I like it with cream. Not milk, not half and half. Cream. No sugar, of course./

396 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:30:52am

I like my coffee like I like my Presidents: black, bitter, and from Kenya.

//

397 Iwouldprefernotto  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:31:32am

re: #389 Gus

I tried the six-packs of diet something per day once to cut back on drinking. Felt pretty gross by the end of the day. My main beverage today is Denver tap water. :D

Denver Tap water is a gateway beverage…

398 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:31:38am

Found the perfect picture to represent “lolwut?!”

399 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:33:46am
400 Lidane  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:34:35am

Well this sucks:

401 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:36:07am

Look at how the Voice of Russia is reporting this. Of course.

402 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:36:25am

re: #396 Dr. Matt

I like my coffee like I like my Presidents: black, bitter, and from Kenya.

//

Funny, but I like my coffee dark, deep roasted, and from Hawaii, kinda like our President.

403 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:36:52am

Derp x A Billion:

Pat Robertson: Some Planned Parenthood ‘abortion mills’ have a ‘billion dollars in cash!’

404 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:37:08am

Looks live bulldozers/backhoes clearing the barricades. Is it over?
ukrstream.tv

405 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:37:15am

This is the man that lunatics like Oliver Stone are calling a “far-right radical.

Leopoldo López Mendoza

Leopoldo López Mendoza (born 29 April 1971 in Caracas) is a Venezuelan politician and economist. From 2000 until 2008, López was the mayor of the Chacao Municipality of Caracas. A 2006 Los Angeles Times article described López as leader of the opposition to Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez, as well as a social activist working for “grass-roots judicial reform”.[1] He is sanctioned in Venezuela and cannot run for public office until 2014;[2] however the Inter-American Court of Human Rights sanctioned Chávez for violating the human rights of opposition candidates by disqualifying them from running for administrative reasons in 2010,[3][4][5][6] the court reached a unanimous decision in favour of Lopez…

Political platform

The Associated Press called López “the man who is challenging President Hugo Chávez’s grip on power.”[38] On 5 December 2009 in the Valencia forum in Carabobo, López launched Voluntad Popular. The Associated Press reported of the launch, “the mere fact that Lopez’s efforts are resonating with ordinary Venezuelans shows that the democratic spirit still burns in the nation of 28 million.” López said of the movement, “What we want is to build a new majority from the bottom up - not just through negotiations and agreements between elites. It’s a longer road, but for us, it’s the only road that gives us possibilities of winning.”[38]

Education

López made repeated statements similar to, “We here do not talk about infrastructure, quality of training, staffing of schools; we Venezuelans want to send our children to quality schools, where they can not only learn Castilian or math, but also acquire values and be formed as wholly complete beings”.[48]

He made a call to create grassroots groups, similar to a PTA, or a popular net (red popular), in each school to ensure the quality of schools and the education received by children and youth. “A people´s net in each school.”[49]

Community development

López said, “… part of the solution is to have community organization and we can fix the situation of Venezuela only by promoting culture, sport and employment”

406 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:38:08am

Here is his party: Popular Will

On December 5, 2009, Leopoldo López along other politics from Un Nuevo Tiempo, Primero Justicia and Acción Democrática.,[2][3] made the official presentation of the Popular Will Movement (Movimiento Voluntad Popular) on a forum in Valencia, Carabobo. López states that this movement has its origins on the creation of Popular Networks (Redes Populares) on the year 2004 as a way to promote social action and leadership on the communities. López also stated that: “Popular Will was born from the conviction that all Venezuelan are equal on rights. (…) Let it not be the color the one who decides who gets access to public service, health and education”.

The National Electoral Council, on February 1, 2010, denied the provisional denomination of Movimiento Voluntad Popular, by supposed similitude of its name with the Movimiento Base Popular, a regional political party from Apure. This frustrated their intentions to present themselves on the 2010 Venezuelan parliamentary election with their own card, although they did present candidates, resulting three of them elected as deputies, two of them as principals with the support of the Coalition for Democratic Unity.[4]

On January 14, 2011, the National Electoral Council certified and notified the acceptance of Voluntad Popular as a formal political party. Just days later, on January 17, Leopoldo López announced that Voluntad Popular came to be a political party from its roots as social organization. López also stated that, for the first time in Venezuelan political history, the recently conformed political party would begin an open electoral process to select its political platform.[5] Youth leader David Smolansky Urosa won the municipal elections 2013 for mayor of El Hatillo municipality, Miranda State.

407 Lidane  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:38:37am

re: #403 Dr. Matt

Derp x A Billion:

Pat Robertson: Some Planned Parenthood ‘abortion mills’ have a ‘billion dollars in cash!’

Shorter Pat Robertson: “I fell for an Onion story!”

408 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:38:40am

Mendoza and Popular Will would be considered leftist in the USA.

409 Kragar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:39:07am

re: #403 Dr. Matt

Is that more or less than you get from fake charities and blood diamond mines?

410 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:40:11am
411 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:41:07am

re: #392 Backwoods_Sleuth

Get ready for the “all unions are bad!” brigade:

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Sane takeaway from that article: Union misconduct is great overstated by the wingnut blogs, but it does in fact exist. if this was some union members being criminal on their own, then the union should face no repercussions. If any union officials can be proven to have ordered or provided support for the arsons, then and only then should the union be punished.

412 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:41:16am

Janie Johnson may or may not be TEH MOAST STUPID person on Teh Twitters but she posts TEH MOAST DERP by volume.

413 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:41:27am

Chavista scum.

414 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:41:31am

re: #400 Lidane

Well this sucks:

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I was just on my way in to post that. I always forget how old those Devo guys are.

RIP, Bob. You brought a unique perspective of guitar to the Rock Continuum.

415 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:41:50am

re: #407 Lidane

Shorter Pat Robertson: “I fell for an Onion story!”

I wish The Onion had a comments section just to see the freakout on that “story” alone.

416 Lidane  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:42:41am
417 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:43:41am
418 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:44:31am

re: #416 Lidane

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AFAIK, it was Zimmermann who did not use SYG, but its very existence led to him not being arrested at the scene of the killing and the loss of a lot of evidence that might have changed the outcome of the case.

419 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:45:31am

re: #408 Gus

Mendoza and Popular Will would be considered leftist in the USA.

Fascists!
/Seriously, the Venezuelan opposition seems much less problematic than the Ukrainian opposition. I see no reason to be wary of the protests in Venezuela.

420 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:45:45am

re: #408 Gus

Mendoza and Popular Will would be considered leftist in the USA.

Yes, but the far-left in the US is committed to the followers of Chavez. Thus showing themselves to be full of shit yet again.

421 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:46:04am

If cops move to disperse the crowd, there is likely to be a bloodbath. This video shows police formation w/APV.

ustream.tv

422 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:46:19am

re: #416 Lidane

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Dunn’s lawyer pulled the same stunt that Zimmerman’s did, turning down an SYG pre-trial hearing but playing the card at trial to get the self-defense instruction ready to the jury. Once that happened, all they had to hear was that the defendant felt “threatened” and anything that happened after that was purely in “self-defense.”

423 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:46:35am

OMG: New batch of Snowden docs reveal NSA and Brits targeted Wikileaks, Assange, PirateBay, and other hackivist groups in order to monitor visitors to the sites. One document notes how the Brits monitored the Wikileaks site.

Gee, shocking that governments would want to know what documents are out there, who’s getting access, and who’s behind the sites themselves, particularly when those involved in those sites aren’t entitled to have access to the data they’ve obtained.

424 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:47:24am

re: #417 Justanotherhuman

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Emergency! Everybody to get from street!!!

425 Kragar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:48:21am

re: #422 Targetpractice

Dunn’s lawyer pulled the same stunt that Zimmerman’s did, turning down an SYG pre-trial hearing but playing the card at trial to get the self-defense instruction ready to the jury. Once that happened, all they had to hear was that the defendant felt “threatened” and anything that happened after that was purely in “self-defense.”

At this rate, I think a middle aged white guy might end up being the most threatening thing in Florida. They can get away with murder.

426 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:48:22am

re: #419 Killgore Trout

Fascists!
/Seriously, the Venezuelan opposition seems much less problematic than the Ukrainian opposition. I see no reason to be wary of the protests in Venezuela.

As could be said: anything to the right of the Chavista would be labeled “far-right.” Of course, while one could cast the Chavistas as leftists they certainly don’t represent liberalism.

427 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:48:54am

HURR HURRR!!!!! JUICE IS TEH NEW NAZIS1!!!!11!!

428 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:49:16am

re: #420 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but the far-left in the US is committed to the followers of Chavez. Thus showing themselves to be full of shit yet again.

By the same people that call Obama a neocon; “both parties are the same”; and “Obama is a war criminal!”

429 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:51:08am

re: #425 Kragar

At this rate, I think a middle aged white guy might end up being the most threatening thing in Florida. They can get away with murder.

Even in the Wild West, you couldn’t unlimber your shootin’ iron without a good reason. “He looked at me funny” was a good way to get your ass drug before a judge and then at the end of a rope. But in Florida, it’ll get you an acquittal and millions of fans.

430 Lidane  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:51:09am

re: #428 Gus

By the same people that call Obama a neocon; “both parties are the same”; and “Obama is a war criminal!”

Pfft. They’re not aiming high enough:

431 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:51:35am

re: #425 Kragar

At this rate, I think a middle aged white guy might end up being the most threatening thing in Florida. They can get away with murder.

Have to see how the theater shooter makes out. He was actually struck by popcorn!
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432 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:52:14am

Here’s my Venezuelan brother in law, appearing as Godfather to my niece over the weekend.

He used to live in Caracas. I think he’s pretty happy to have his green card and live in California now.

433 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:52:30am

re: #430 Lidane

Pfft. They’re not aiming high enough:

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I didn’t realize you could impeach a dictator. God if only they had impeached Hitler!

434 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:52:45am

re: #430 Lidane

Pfft. They’re not aiming high enough:

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I invite the GOP to go ahead and draw up articles of impeachment. Go ahead, make my fucking day. Nothing would thrill me more than to watch the lot of them spend the rest of time between now and November explaining to voters that there are very real crimes they’re trying him for and not simply because he had the nerve to go and get reelected.

435 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:52:49am
436 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:53:44am

Cops are on the move in the Maidan.

ustream.tv

437 Iwouldprefernotto  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:54:00am

re: #434 Targetpractice

I invite the GOP to go ahead and draw up articles of impeachment. Go ahead, make my fucking day. Nothing would thrill me more than to watch the lot of them spend the rest of time between now and November explaining to voters that there are very real crimes they’re trying him for and not simply because he had the nerve to go and get reelected.

It’s just talk. Say what the base wants to hear and then do nothing.

438 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:55:38am

Oh hell, it’s on.

439 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:55:48am

re: #437 Iwouldprefernotto

It’s just talk. Say what the base wants to hear and then do nothing.

True. As noted above, the GOP leadership isn’t even really heavily investing in primary races, because the TPers are simply not the threat that they’re advertised as. But they have to keep selling this shit to the base because if they don’t, they might not show up to the polls in November.

440 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:56:40am

Here: Youtube Video

And here: ustream.tv

441 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:57:15am

re: #423 lawhawk

And the comments there are a cesspool of derp. Lots of people who think this somehow implicates the US and UK government of all kinds of crimes, even though it does no such thing.

Or, how about taking some stuff out of context (again).

Like say guidance on what to do if the surveillance of Wikileaks ends up pointing at a US based site. The guidance is to report it, but then there’s ellipses to indicate language that was left out - while saying that “not to worry”. Gee, what could possibly be in the ellipses? Change the entire context? The person is required to report the instance up the chain, which does what exactly? That’s left out.

This is reporting? Really?

442 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:58:22am

re: #436 Justanotherhuman

Cops are on the move in the Maidan.

ustream.tv

wow. Dude has an awesome vantage point

443 Lidane  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:58:57am

re: #439 Targetpractice

True. As noted above, the GOP leadership isn’t even really heavily investing in primary races, because the TPers are simply not the threat that they’re advertised as. But they have to keep selling this shit to the base because if they don’t, they might not show up to the polls in November.

Well, that and the fact that right now, the teabagger base is more interested in going after Sir John of Orange:

I’ll bet money that if the GOP manages to retain their majority in the House and gain seats in the Senate in November, we’ll see at least one rube try to bring articles of impeachment to the floor. For now, it’s just electoral red meat to get the idiots to the polls, but if the GOP makes big enough gains, I’m expecting the teabaggers to try impeachment at least once.

444 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 9:58:58am

re: #426 Gus

As could be said: anything to the right of the Chavista would be labeled “far-right.” Of course, while one could cast the Chavistas as leftists they certainly don’t represent liberalism.

I think that’s par the course for any leftist regime. Anyhow, the Chavez and now Maduro regime stinks and it annoys me to no end to see American leftists defend those regimes.

445 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:01:19am

What’s going on in Venezuela in a nutshell (English version)

(from 2-14-14)

Youtube Video

446 Lidane  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:01:46am

re: #444 HappyWarrior

Anyhow, the Chavez and now Maduro regime stinks and it annoys me to no end to see American leftists defend those regimes.

That’s because American leftists have the benefit of being able to defend those regimes without actually having to live under them.

447 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:01:46am

re: #443 Lidane

I’ll bet money that if the GOP manages to retain their majority in the House and gain seats in the Senate in November, we’ll see at least one rube try to bring articles of impeachment to the floor. For now, it’s just electoral red meat to get the idiots to the polls, but if the GOP makes big enough gains, I’m expecting them to try impeachment at least once.

It will give them a chance to get up and talk Birth Certificate, Solyndra, Fast and Furious, Death Panels, You Didn’t Build That, Benghazi, ACA rollout, etc., until everybody is frothing at the mouth.

448 BongCrodny  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:01:54am

re: #245 Gus

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I’m going to call horsey horsey horseshit on Joe the Scammer.

Unions Protest Joe the Plumber in Pittsburgh

Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher, aka “Joe the Plumber,” was recently tapped by the anti-labor group Americans for Prosperity to shill against the Employee Free Choice Act. Americans for Prosperity spokesperson Mary Ellen Burke said that Wurzelbacher was chosen because “he represents the American worker” and is a “role model.” At a rally yesterday near Pittsburgh, PA, Wurzelbacher received a chilly welcome from many residents — especially union members:

A union is awesome when he needs one, but when he’s being paid by someone anti-union, that’s just peachy.

He’s a fraud, period.

449 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:02:24am

re: #444 HappyWarrior

I think that’s par the course for any leftist regime. Anyhow, the Chavez and now Maduro regime stinks and it annoys me to no end to see American leftists defend those regimes.

It’s the usual suspects so it doesn’t annoy me that much. Come to expect that sort of support from them.

450 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:02:41am
451 Kragar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:04:38am

Looks like they’re firing fireworks off directly into the cops.

452 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:04:41am

re: #450 Gus

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I’d call defending Woody Allen a dudebro diagnostic feature.

453 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:06:05am

re: #450 Gus

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Please proceed, Mr. Assange.

454 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:06:38am

re: #443 Lidane

I’ll bet money that if the GOP manages to retain their majority in the House and gain seats in the Senate in November, we’ll see at least one rube try to bring articles of impeachment to the floor. For now, it’s just electoral red meat to get the idiots to the polls, but if the GOP makes big enough gains, I’m expecting them to try impeachment at least once.

Oh, I don’t put it past them. But so far none of the faux “scandals” has panned out, so whatever they actually slap him with is gonna be absolutely laughable. I figure if they haven’t done anything by mid-‘15, it’s just not happening.

455 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:07:03am

And apropos of the earlier front page article about the problems with the F-35 comes a new one.That it could be vulnerable to hacks because the data computer that pilots rely upon could be hacked.


The F-35 is the Pentagon’s newest warplane and its most expensive weapons system ever. The helmet of the F-35 is what this this plane is all about, says Martin. It’s part of a complex, computer-driven system that will give U.S. fighter pilots a whole new level of capabilities when the plane enters the American fleet in the coming years.

As David Martin reports in the above video, the F-35 and her sophisticated helmet is run by a computer named “ALIS.”

“She looks basically like a laptop computer, and the pilot carries it out to the plane and sticks it in a slot right next to him in the cockpit. That contains all the information about the mission he’s gonna fly,” says Martin. “The servers which run all of this software take up a room about the size of a shipping container.”

Alan Norman, the chief F-35 test pilot for Lockheed Martin compared ALIS to R2-D2, the droid that helped Luke Skywalker fly the X-wing fighter in “Star Wars:” “Right now, to me, this is the ultimate in human-machine interaction,” Norman said.

But ALIS has some problems, such as her resistance to human overrides (think Hal from “2001: A Space Odyssey”). The other potential problem is security.

“This is a juicy, juicy target for a hacker,” says Martin. “If your adversary can hack into all that software that’s running [the mission], then they’ve essentially defeated the plane.” All without firing a bullet.

456 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:08:05am

Still 15-20K people on the Maidan when cops started their “anti-terrorism operation”.

457 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:09:30am

Water cannon trucks backing up now

458 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:10:34am

re: #455 lawhawk

And apropos of the earlier front page article about the problems with the F-35 comes a new one.That it could be vulnerable to hacks because the data computer that pilots rely upon could be hacked.

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Anything after the F-15 could technically be hacked. Any one of these can also be subject EMP weapons. The same would apply with UAVs. It’s the nature of modern aircraft. They’re inherently unstable and require software for flight dynamics.

459 Kragar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:11:05am

Reporter says at least 1000 special ops police, using fire trucks to hose protestors in the freezing weather

460 Chrysicat  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:11:09am

We always knew Euromaidan would just end with the Russian puppet regaining power, didn’t we?

So why’s it hurt so much actually seeing it play out?

461 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:12:26am
462 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:13:03am

re: #460 Chrysicat

We always knew Euromaidan would just end with the Russian puppet regaining power, didn’t we?

So why’s it hurt so much actually seeing it play out?

The protesters failed to arm themselves, and I mean with real weapons - rifles, explosives, etc.. In a situation like this, it’s victory or death.

It would seem the protesters chose death.

463 Lidane  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:13:17am

re: #454 Targetpractice

Oh, I don’t put it past them. But so far none of the faux “scandals” has panned out, so whatever they actually slap him with is gonna be absolutely laughable.

Anything they slap him with would come down to ZOMG HE GOT ELECTED TWICE WTF. It’s all a giant nothingburger of fail.

I figure if they haven’t done anything by mid-‘15, it’s just not happening.

By mid-2015, I would hope that the GOP has enough sense to realize that impeaching a president at the same time that your prospective candidates for POTUS are starting the long slog to the primaries is a stupid idea.

Then again, these are the same jabbering morans who tried 40+ times to repeal the ACA and who shut down the government. They’re not very bright.

464 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:13:27am

re: #455 lawhawk

And apropos of the earlier front page article about the problems with the F-35 comes a new one.That it could be vulnerable to hacks because the data computer that pilots rely upon could be hacked.

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Could be hacked but the attacker would need a way in and the plane never interfaces with the regular internet. Getting into the Air Force’s secure net is quite hard and there are additional security fences in place to protect aircraft as well.

The Air Force has considered this problem and I’ve got faith they’re on top of it.

465 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:14:38am

re: #464 Dark_Falcon

Could be hacked but the attacker would need a way in and the plane never interfaces with the regular internet. Getting into the Air Force’s secure net is quite hard and there are additional security fences in place to protect aircraft as well.

The Air Force has considered this problem and I’ve got faith they’re on top of it.

And you can technically hack an F-16. Or a Super Hornet. And a…

466 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:16:07am

re: #462 Dr Lizardo

The protesters failed to arm themselves, and I mean with real weapons - rifles, explosives, etc.. In a situation like this, it’s victory or death.

It would seem the protesters chose death.

If they’d brought rifles, the government would have brought T-84 MBTs.

The protesters only real chance was a crisis of indiscipline in the ranks of the Bakrut or the army. That has not happened and since it hasn’t they’re doomed.

467 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:16:18am
468 Iwouldprefernotto  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:16:47am

re: #464 Dark_Falcon

Could be hacked but the attacker would need a way in and the plane never interfaces with the regular internet. Getting into the Air Force’s secure net is quite hard and there are additional security fences in place to protect aircraft as well.

The Air Force has considered this problem and I’ve got faith they’re on top of it.

You’ve never been to the movies? It it’s on the screen, it can happen for real The ghost of Tom Clancy told me so.

469 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:17:14am

re: #466 Dark_Falcon

You mean the Berkut? The Storm Troopers?

470 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:17:30am

re: #463 Lidane

Anything they slap him with would come down to ZOMG HE GOT ELECTED TWICE WTF. It’s all a giant nothingburger of fail.

By mid-2015, I would hope that the GOP has enough sense to realize that impeaching a president at the same time that your prospective candidates for POTUS are starting the long slog to the primaries is a stupid idea.

Then again, these are the same jabbering morans who tried 40+ times to repeal the ACA and who shut down the government. They’re not very bright.

The articles of impeachment for Clinton didn’t come down until the December after the ‘98 midterms, so I figure that’ll be the earliest we see them actually try it. As for what charges they’ll bring, who knows. But I figure most of it will boil down to the failure of their plan since he was elected of being as obstructionist as possible in the hopes that he’d be forced to give them some of the things they wanted in order to get anything accomplished.

471 Kragar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:18:29am

At least 2 groups of police moving in to reinforce.

472 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:18:58am

Hell, indeed.

473 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:19:37am

re: #466 Dark_Falcon

If they’d brought rifles, the government would have brought T-84 MBTs.

The protesters only real chance was a crisis of indiscipline in the ranks of the Bakrut or the army. That has not happened and since it hasn’t they’re doomed.

Their real chance was that the police or military would tell the Putin puppet to get bent and throw their lot in with the protestors. It seems it won’t happen and so this revolution is doomed. And we can be sure that the government will now take steps to ensure that it can never happen again.

474 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:19:44am

re: #470 Targetpractice

The articles of impeachment for Clinton didn’t come down until the December after the ‘98 midterms, so I figure that’ll be the earliest we see them actually try it. As for what charges they’ll bring, who knows. But I figure most of it will boil down to the failure of their plan since he was elected of being as obstructionist as possible in the hopes that he’d be forced to give them some of the things they wanted in order to get anything accomplished.

Here’s the catch: if they do initiate proceedings, everybody from Orly Taitz to Joe the Plumber will be chiming in and demanding to be heard, it will turn into a shameful display of ignorance and bigotry that will galvanize their shrinking base and put off everybody else.

475 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:19:50am

re: #466 Dark_Falcon

If they’d brought rifles, the government would have brought T-84 MBTs.

The protesters only real chance was a crisis of indiscipline in the ranks of the Bakrut or the army. That has not happened and since it hasn’t they’re doomed.

True. Protesters can bring down an authoritarian government, but it’s not easy. Hell, Assad’s still hanging in there, and Syria now is damned near a ruin.

I wonder what the protesters next move will be?

476 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:19:58am

All right. I just heard fucking shots. Lots of them now.

477 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:20:40am

Oh dear.

In latest “human rights” crusade, NY Times’ Kristof promotes allegations against Woody Allen - World Socialist Web Site
By David Walsh
5 February 2014

The alliance of self-satisfied media pundits, “human rights” activists, pseudo-lefts, feminists and openly right-wing elements, which periodically inundates the US with its moralizing in the service of political reaction, is at it again. This noxious overflow is as predictable as the annual flooding of the Nile.

The latest occasion for outrage and indignation is the open letter from Dylan Farrow accusing her stepfather, film director Woody Allen, of sexual abuse some two decades ago. The letter was publicized and promoted by Nicholas Kristof of the New York Times in his February 1 column.

First of all, we should point out that Allen represents something in post-war American culture. From his days as a comedy writer for US television in the 1950s and his career as a stand-up comic in the 1960s (polls rank him as one of the top ten such comics in history) to his filmmaking career from the 1970s onward, Allen has earned a significant place in the popular culture. Some of his routines and gags have entered into the American comic canon, and deservedly so.

Continues.

478 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:20:58am

NBC news article feed on my laptop is the epitome of US Media:
1) Protests in Venezuela - blah blah blah
2) Protests in Kiev - blah blah
3) Watch American so-and-so go for gold in the half-pipe!

479 Kragar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:21:55am

re: #473 Targetpractice

Their real chance was that the police or military would tell the Putin puppet to get bent and throw their lot in with the protestors. It seems it won’t happen and so this revolution is doomed. And we can be sure that the government will now take steps to ensure that it can never happen again.

According to 2nd Amendment nuts, as long as they were armed, then the government wouldn’t have dared crack down on them.

Look at that scene and tell me they wouldn’t have cracked down much harder if the government thought the protestors had real weapons.

480 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:22:15am

Republican leadership.

481 Kragar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:22:19am

Live stream just died

482 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:22:33am

re: #477 Gus

First of all, we should point out that Allen represents something in post-war American culture. From his days as a comedy writer for US television in the 1950s and his career as a stand-up comic in the 1960s (polls rank him as one of the top ten such comics in history) to his filmmaking career from the 1970s onward, Allen has earned a significant place in the popular culture.

SO?

483 Chrysicat  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:22:41am

re: #477 Gus

What on Earth makes World Socialist want to claim that Woody Allen is 100 percent clean?!?

484 Kragar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:22:45am

OK, came back on

485 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:23:16am

re: #479 Kragar

According to 2nd Amendment nuts, as long as they were armed, then the government wouldn’t have dared crack down on them.

Look at that scene and tell me they wouldn’t have cracked down much harder if the government thought the protestors had real weapons.

If they knew the protestors were armed, they wouldn’t have even bothered with the water jets. They’d have moved to lethal ammunition.

486 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:24:34am

re: #469 Justanotherhuman

You mean the Berkut? The Storm Troopers?

Yes. The use of the term term “Storm Troopers” is apt, since some of their tactics are derived from German Strumtroopen doctrine. Hence the tactic of bombarding an area and then sending troops in right on the bombardment’s heels. The attacks may suffer casualties to friendly fire but they’ll be on the defenders before the defenders can recover.

Note: The preceding paragraph was tactical analysis, and should not be read as approval of the Berkut.

487 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:24:46am

re: #481 Kragar

Live stream just died

Still have live stream here: ustream.tv

and here: Youtube Video

Some are now singing the Ukraine national anthem.

488 Kragar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:25:15am

re: #485 Targetpractice

If they knew the protestors were armed, they wouldn’t have even bothered with the water jets. They’d have moved to lethal ammunition.

Yup, now according to my local gun nutter, this means the survivors should hold up in the wilderness until they can get international support to invade and set them free.

Yeah, great idea there.

489 Lidane  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:25:19am

re: #474 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

Here’s the catch: if they do initiate proceedings, everybody from Orly Taitz to Joe the Plumber will be chiming in and demanding to be heard, it will turn into a shameful display of ignorance and bigotry that will galvanize their shrinking base and put off everybody else.

Impeachment in 2015 it would be suicide. The GOP establishment would have a shitfit if the the next field of prospective candidates for POTUS hit the campaign trail only to run face first into the teabaggers turning the House into a birther and conspiracy nut clown show.

490 Kragar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:27:36am

Dear “online protestors”,

You’re a bunch of spineless pussies.

491 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:28:24am

re: #466 Dark_Falcon

If they’d brought rifles, the government would have brought T-84 MBTs.

The protesters only real chance was a crisis of indiscipline in the ranks of the Bakrut or the army. That has not happened and since it hasn’t they’re doomed.

And if the Army had backed the people, Putin would have said “screw PR” and had multiple divisions in Kiev by nightfall. He will not let the Ukraine become EU or NATO without a full blown war.

492 Lidane  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:30:25am

A bit of unexpected gaming news:

493 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:30:41am

That looks like a lot of fire.

494 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:30:48am

re: #463 Lidane

Anything they slap him with would come down to ZOMG HE GOT ELECTED TWICE WTF. It’s all a giant nothingburger of fail.

By mid-2015, I would hope that the GOP has enough sense to realize that impeaching a president at the same time that your prospective candidates for POTUS are starting the long slog to the primaries is a stupid idea.

Then again, these are the same jabbering morans who tried 40+ times to repeal the ACA and who shut down the government. They’re not very bright.

The GOP sealed their fate after 2012. They snapped off the brake level and threw it over the side in an attempt to keep going full-speed ahead down the Batshit Crazy Base road. Now that they see that the road ends abruptly in a cliff, they have no way to stop it. None of them wanted to shut down the government (see all their attempts to rebrand it as a Democrat doing), but they could not do otherwise. To do otherwise would be to cross The Base, and as has been clearly demonstrated in recent months, to do that is political suicide. Not even Slick Mitch and The Great Orange are immune. They dared to compromise, even slightly, and thus they have been targeted for the Great Tea Purge.

The only way this ends for the GOP is when the Teabaggers wrest total control of the party and then proceed to fail miserably in a major election. Only when there is no one left to blame it on but the Teabaggers will the American Right understand the full damage that has been done by embracing the batshit crazy part of their base.

495 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:30:52am

re: #477 Gus

The Nile doesn’t flood in Egypt anymore since the Aswan High Dam was built. And that’s just the first point to make about that piece of stupidity.

That read like something The People’s Cube would write. Only TPC would have been kidding when they wrote it and those moonbats were serious.

496 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:30:52am

Last three paragraphs…

For more than twenty years now, one wave after another of former radicals and liberals has signed up for Western intervention in the Balkans, Afghanistan, Iraq, Darfur, Haiti, Mali, Sierra Leone, Ivory Coast, Libya, Syria and elsewhere to forestall “genocide,” avert “mass atrocities,” block the use of “weapons of mass destruction” or “chemical weapons,” stop the spread of “Islamo-fascism,” bring “democracy” and “stability” to various global flashpoints, and so forth. These social forces, whose task is to confuse and benumb the population with arguments that falsely make use of “left” terminology and phrases, have become prominent mouthpieces for imperialist policy.

The Kristof column has inevitably unleashed the most backward and filthy elements, baying for Allen’s blood, condemning “liberal Hollywood perverts” (or, under their breath in some cases, “liberal Jewish Hollywood perverts”) and denouncing anyone who suggests an elementary concern for constitutional norms. Veteran television journalist Barbara Walters sparked “Twitter outrage” when she defended Allen on the television talk show “The View.”

Genuine political health and wisdom begin in the US and internationally at present by separating and demarcating oneself as firmly and distinctly as possible from the phony “human rights” campaigners, the feminist moralizers and the pro-imperialist “left.”

497 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:31:01am

All right. Just saw a cop throwing a molotov cocktail on EspresoTV site.

They’re using a lot of flash-bang devices, too. And, I imagine, they have live bullets in addition to the rubber ones.

There is a report that 3 more protesters are dead.

//twitter.com/glassbeadcol/status/435841714058969088

498 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:31:21am

re: #449 Gus

It’s the usual suspects so it doesn’t annoy me that much. Come to expect that sort of support from them.

Yeah I know those types too. Annoying though.

499 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:31:25am

We are watching the birth of a new Soviet Union made more sinister and perhaps more protracted by the lights of perverted economics…

500 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:32:25am

re: #446 Lidane

That’s because American leftists have the benefit of being able to defend those regimes without actually having to live under them.

I guess that’s one of those things that never change. Saw that with the USSR too.

501 Kragar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:32:30am

re: #499 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

We are watching the birth of a new Soviet Union made more sinister and perhaps more protracted by the lights of perverted economics…

And American Conservatives see it as a beacon of liberty and freedom

502 Kragar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:33:19am

re: #492 Lidane

A bit of unexpected gaming news:

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Thats unfortunate news.

503 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:33:46am

re: #492 Lidane

A bit of unexpected gaming news:

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Infinite cost them dearly. Levine has started to realize that, between the shift to social/mobile gaming and the newfound “social justice at all costs” movement in gaming, there’s no longer any place for the kind of product his team was making. Time to adapt to the market and churn out downloadable crap like everyone else.

504 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:33:50am

Fascist bastard.

505 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:34:36am

re: #499 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

We are watching the birth of a new Soviet Union made more sinister and perhaps more protracted by the lights of perverted economics…

I laughed with everyone else when Romney warned of the Russian threat. I was wrong, the dude had a point.

506 Lidane  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:34:41am

Wheee!

507 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:35:07am

re: #495 Dark_Falcon

The Nile doesn’t flood in Egypt anymore since the Aswan High Dam was built. And that’s just the first point to make about that piece of stupidity.

That read like something The People’s Cube would write. Only TPC would have been kidding when they wrote it and those moonbats were serious.

My favorite scene in Forrest Gump is when he just pummels that dudebro at the Black Panthers meeting. :D

508 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:35:16am

.re: #492 Lidane

A bit of unexpected gaming news:

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509 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:35:20am

re: #505 Killgore Trout

I laughed with everyone else when Romney warned of the Russian threat. I was wrong, the dude had a point.

Indeed he did.

BBL

510 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:35:49am
511 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:35:51am

Bob Casale of DEVO has died. Age 61.

512 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:36:46am

Genuine political health and wisdom begin in the US and internationally at present by separating and demarcating oneself as firmly and distinctly as possible from the phony “human rights” campaigners, the feminist moralizers and the pro-imperialist “left.”

513 Iwouldprefernotto  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:37:10am

re: #509 Dark_Falcon

Indeed he did.

BBL

Romney said Russia was “Our” biggest threat. Is Romney from the Ukraine?

514 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:37:30am

re: #506 Lidane

Wheee!

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Uh Teddy what part of federal bans on same sex marriage are constitutional doesn’t your kooky ass get? And lol, this is great. Cruz thinks it’s terrible just terrible for the feds to get involved on health care reform but he wants them involved on who consenting adults can marry. Great message asshole, you and your party really don’t want the youth vote ever do you?

515 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:37:44am

re: #506 Lidane

Wheee!

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Ted apparently hasn’t looked at a newspaper in the past six months. “Traditional” marriage is on its way to being ruled unconstitutional.

516 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:37:49am

Yes, it does.

517 Lidane  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:39:03am

re: #516 Justanotherhuman

Fucking hell. I can’t even begin to wrap my head around that.

518 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:39:23am

re: #507 Gus

My favorite scene in Forrest Gump is when he just pummels that dudebro at the Black Panthers meeting. :D

I’m sorry I ruined your Black Panther party. But IIRC that doucher was SDS. My favorite part though and I didn’t get it when I was younger was the Watergate scene where he’s complaining about lights going on. I pass near the Watergate on my way to work so there’s that.

519 Kragar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:40:40am

re: #514 HappyWarrior

Uh Teddy what part of federal bans on same sex marriage are constitutional doesn’t your kooky ass get? And lol, this is great. Cruz thinks it’s terrible just terrible for the feds to get involved on health care reform but he wants them involved on who consenting adults can marry. Great message asshole, you and your party really don’t want the youth vote ever do you?

Same sex marriage is a States issue right up until they can ban it at the Federal level, in which case they start talking about the need for states to listen to a strong Federal government.

520 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:40:45am

re: #516 Justanotherhuman

Yes, it does.

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Ukrainian protestors showing American wingnuts what it actually looks like to live under a repressive dictatorship.

521 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:41:14am
522 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:41:52am

re: #520 Targetpractice

Ukrainian protestors showing American wingnuts what it actually looks like to live under a repressive dictatorship.

Yeah but American wingnuts like oppressive dictatorships when the oppressed are left wingers. Hence why they cheer on regimes like Putin’s.

523 Chrysicat  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:42:27am

re: #520 Targetpractice

Ukrainian protestors showing American wingnuts what it actually looks like to live under a repressive dictatorship.

And the wingnuts would eat it right up because it’s a Christian dictatorship where they’re encouraged to beat gays straight.

524 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:42:53am

re: #514 HappyWarrior

Uh Teddy what part of federal bans on same sex marriage are constitutional doesn’t your kooky ass get? And lol, this is great. Cruz thinks it’s terrible just terrible for the feds to get involved on health care reform but he wants them involved on who consenting adults can marry. Great message asshole, you and your party really don’t want the youth vote ever do you?

Like I said, the only way this ends is with the utter and complete collapse of the GOP as a party, at least the GOP as we know it. They cannot adapt with the times. They depend too heavily on the votes of people that would eviscerate them for ever allowing that traditional ideas of marriage are outdated and need to be done away with. To update their ideology to adapt to the rising wave of new voters who don’t give a damn what gender you are would be to enrage their primary base and leave them with nothing at the voting booth. In embracing the bad crazy, they’ve burned all other bridges and have nowhere else to go.

It’s kind of like a political version of what’s wrong with Harley-Davidson these days. H-D depends so heavily on the market of boomers with H-D brand nostalgia (average rider age for them is 48+), that to update their image to adapt to modern riders is to alienate the bulk of the current customer base and thus wind up with nothing.

525 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:44:11am

Euromaidan tweets from various places in English and other languages.

twitter.com

So many I can’t keep up.

526 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:44:13am

re: #505 Killgore Trout

I laughed with everyone else when Romney warned of the Russian threat. I was wrong, the dude had a point.

His point was that the US is under threat. He did not have a point.

527 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:44:32am
528 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:44:47am

re: #512 Gus

Genuine political health and wisdom begin in the US and internationally at present by separating and demarcating oneself as firmly and distinctly as possible from the >phony “human rights” campaigners, the feminist moralizers and the pro-imperialist “left.”

They’re giving socialists a bad name.

529 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:45:48am

re: #524 GunstarGreen

Like I said, the only way this ends is with the utter and complete collapse of the GOP as a party, at least the GOP as we know it. They cannot adapt with the times. They depend too heavily on the votes of people that would eviscerate them for ever allowing that traditional ideas of marriage are outdated and need to be done away with. To update their ideology to adapt to the rising wave of new voters who don’t give a damn what gender you are would be to enrage their primary base and leave them with nothing at the voting booth. In embracing the bad crazy, they’ve burned all other bridges and have nowhere else to go.

It’s kind of like a political version of what’s wrong with Harley-Davidson these days. H-D depends so heavily on the market of boomers with H-D brand nostalgia (average rider age for them is 48+), that to update their image to adapt to modern riders is to alienate the bulk of the current customer base and thus wind up with nothing.

They have no desire to adapt with the times. Even their young blood, read Cruz, Jindal, Rubio, etc are as rabidly if not more so anti-gay than the old establishment types like Romney, McCain, and the Bushes. It’s their own fault though. They wanted the RR as part of their base and well here they are.

530 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:45:51am

re: #521 Gus

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I think there’s still a little drivel in his beard.

531 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:46:37am

re: #527 lawhawk

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532 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:46:47am

re: #528 wrenchwench

They’re giving socialists a bad name.

Yeah “phony human rights campaigners” and “feminist moralizers.” Fuckhead.

533 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:47:29am

re: #527 lawhawk

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Revisionism, well done Fox. Next you’ll blame Obama for 9/11.

534 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:48:01am

Over 183K people watching EspresoTV now. Buzzfeed has it up on its site.

Youtube Video

535 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:48:46am

re: #518 HappyWarrior

I’m sorry I ruined your Black Panther party. But IIRC that doucher was SDS. My favorite part though and I didn’t get it when I was younger was the Watergate scene where he’s complaining about lights going on. I pass near the Watergate on my way to work so there’s that.

Yep. Lots of neat parts. I like when he jumps in the water from the shrimp boat. :D

536 Kragar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:49:01am

I can’t watch anymore. I can’t deal with any more soulcrushing right now.

537 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:49:05am

Meanwhile, Charles is trying to teach some dudebros things they pretended to know already.

538 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:49:24am

re: #530 wrenchwench

I think there’s still a little drivel in his beard.

He’s since shaved but I’m evil so I picked the best beardo pic. :D

539 Kragar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:49:37am

re: #535 Gus

Yep. Lots of neat parts. I like when he jumps in the water from the shrimp boat. :D

The best part of the movie was Captain Dan versus the hurricane.

540 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:50:45am

re: #535 Gus

Yep. Lots of neat parts. I like when he jumps in the water from the shrimp boat. :D

It’s a fun movie. Need to see it again.

541 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:50:59am

re: #522 HappyWarrior

Yeah but American wingnuts like oppressive dictatorships when the oppressed are left wingers. Hence why they cheer on regimes like Putin’s.

Lot’s of love for Pinochet’s murderers. Even more for the Argentine fascists when they were throwing living people from helicopters into the sea.

542 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:52:21am

re: #541 William Barnett-Lewis

Lot’s of love for Pinochet’s murderers. Even more for the Argentine fascists when they were throwing living people from helicopters into the sea.

Yep. And man I’ve read a good amount about the Argentine regime, terrible. Just terrible.

543 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:52:35am

re: #537 wrenchwench

Meanwhile, Charles is trying to teach some dudebros things the pretended to know already.

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It’s not like spoofing doesn’t exist.

544 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:52:51am

re: #536 Kragar

I can’t watch anymore. I can’t deal with any more soulcrushing right now.

Yeah, I hear you.

I admit with myself I have a dark side that would probably have Darth Sidious saying, “Duuude…..you really need to chill out. Relax. I swear, sometimes you make me worry.”

545 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:53:19am
546 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:53:21am

re: #539 Kragar

The best part of the movie was Captain Dan versus the hurricane.

That’s Lieutenant Dan. I actually relate to the character. I mean I’d never be as socially clueless to bring up a KKK ancestor in front of a black lady but I have my moments.

547 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:53:27am

re: #543 b_sharp

It’s not like spoofing doesn’t exist.

Also, much stupid.

548 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:53:57am

re: #529 HappyWarrior

That’s what I’m saying though. They’re more rabidly anti-gay than the old guard because they have no other choice. If they intend to get votes with an R next to their name, they have to be rabidly anti-gay, because that’s who the R base is. And that’s why the party will collapse, because that can’t be sustained, yet they cannot change because to do so is to lose the R vote.

549 chadu  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:53:58am

re: #396 Dr. Matt

I like my coffee like I like my Presidents: black, bitter, and from Kenya.

//

I like my coffee like I like my women: pale, sweet, and passed through the gastrointestinal tract of an Asian palm civet.

en.wikipedia.org

//

550 jaunte  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:54:07am

re: #545 Gus

Is the rector in charge of hanging out in Russia?

551 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:54:30am

re: #545 Gus

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I think there are a couple of silent flouncers in that area. Over Snowden, no less.

552 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:54:31am

re: #547 wrenchwench

Also, much stupid.

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You can lead a dudebro to knowledge, but you can’t make him think.

553 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:54:58am

re: #547 wrenchwench

Also, much stupid.

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A packet intended for a specific IP doesn’t just go to that IP.

554 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:54:58am

re: #548 GunstarGreen

That’s what I’m saying though. They’re more rabidly anti-gay than the old guard because they have no other choice. If they intend to get votes with an R next to their name, they >have to be rabidly anti-gay, because that’s who the R base is. And that’s why the party will collapse, because that can’t be sustained, yet they cannot change because to do so is to lose the R vote.

Right, and that’s why I am worried/cynical about the GOP’s future as a party. I don’t see them imploding but surviving just enough to be viable.

555 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:55:12am

re: #552 Targetpractice

You can lead a dudebro to knowledge, but you can’t make him think.

Another diagnostic feature!

556 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:55:16am

re: #548 GunstarGreen

That’s what I’m saying though. They’re more rabidly anti-gay than the old guard because they have no other choice. If they intend to get votes with an R next to their name, they >have to be rabidly anti-gay, because that’s who the R base is. And that’s why the party will collapse, because that can’t be sustained, yet they cannot change because to do so is to lose the R vote.

It’s an ideological Catch-22.

557 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:55:33am

All well and good but Leopoldo López Mendoza and Popular Will aren’t facing off with an Argentinian military dictatorship but instead the Maduro regime and Chavistas.

558 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:56:34am

That’s the spirit.

559 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:56:57am

re: #553 b_sharp

A packet intended for a specific IP doesn’t just go to that IP.

I’d suggest you jump in there and help CJ, but it’s hopeless. Now it’s denial.

560 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:57:17am

re: #558 Justanotherhuman

That’s the spirit.

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A face only a mother could love.

561 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:57:19am

re: #545 Gus

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WTF? The ignorant leading the ignorant?

He’s about as qualified as I am.

562 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 10:58:47am

re: #558 Justanotherhuman

That’s the spirit.

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I’d like to see that. An Interpol international arrest warrant issued against Yanukovych.

563 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:00:04am
564 chadu  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:00:29am

re: #463 Lidane

Anything they slap him with would come down to ZOMG HE GOT ELECTED TWICE WTF. It’s all a giant nothingburger of fail.

By mid-2015, I would hope that the GOP has enough sense to realize that impeaching a president at the same time that your prospective candidates for POTUS are starting the long slog to the primaries is a stupid idea.

Then again, these are the same jabbering morans who tried 40+ times to repeal the ACA and who shut down the government. They’re not very bright.

I know what I want for Xmas this year, now!

565 Kragar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:01:06am

Saying an IP adress IDs someone is like saying a telephone number IDs someone. It might get you looking in the right direction, but you can’t say which person used it last.

566 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:02:06am

re: #565 Kragar

Saying an IP adress IDs someone is like saying a telephone number IDs someone. It might get you looking in the right direction, but you can’t say which person used it last.

“Sir, we know you placed the call, it was from your phone number.”
“I was in another state!”
“It was your phone number, hence only you had access to that phone. We’re gonna need you to put your hands behind your back.”

567 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:02:45am
568 chadu  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:02:53am

re: #488 Kragar

Yup, now according to my local gun nutter, this means the survivors should hold up in the wilderness until they can get international support to invade and set them free.

Yeah, great idea there.

REVERSE-WOLVERINES!

569 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:03:34am

re: #567 Dr Lizardo

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“Edward Snowden has been elected as rectum of Glasgow University”
— The Onion

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570 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:04:37am

re: #567 Dr Lizardo

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One of those posts that make me hate the new picture imbedding feature.

571 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:04:38am

re: #569 Gus

“Edward Snowden has been elected as rectum of Glasgow University”
— The Onion

//

lolol

572 chadu  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:06:19am

re: #527 lawhawk

Thanks, Obama, you frickin’ Time Lord.

573 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:07:24am

re: #569 Gus

Rectum? Darn near killed ‘em.

574 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:08:17am

re: #573 lawhawk

Rectum? Darn near killed ‘em.

That joke never gets old.

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575 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:08:30am

re: #572 chadu

Thanks, Obama, you frickin’ Time Lord.

Obama’s TARDIS is cleverly disguised as the Washington Monument.

576 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:08:35am

D.E.V.O.

577 jaunte  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:08:46am

re: #569 Gus

“Edward Snowden has been elected as rectum of Glasgow University”
— The Onion

//

What sort of tithes will he be raking in?

578 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:09:06am

re: #565 Kragar

Saying an IP adress IDs someone is like saying a telephone number IDs someone. It might get you looking in the right direction, but you can’t say which person used it last.

An IP is fluid. Even a static IP which is normally assigned to a MAC is easily changed.

579 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:09:17am
580 chadu  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:09:23am

re: #551 wrenchwench

I think there are a couple of silent flouncers in that area. Over Snowden, no less.

I saw the Silent Flouncers when they opened for Doctor Teeth and the Electric Mayhem.

Set was tight, mang.

581 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:10:24am
Crack that whip
Give the past the slip
Step on a crack
Break your momma’s back
When a problem comes along
You must whip it
Before the cream sits out too long
You must whip it
When something’s going wrong
You must whip it

Now whip it
Into shape
Shape it up
Get straight
Go forward
Move ahead
Try to detect it
It’s not too late
To whip it
Whip it good

When a good time turns around
You must whip it
You will never live it down
Unless you whip it
No one gets away
Until they whip it

I say whip it
Whip it good
I say whip it
Whip it good

Crack that whip
Give the past the slip
Step on a crack
Break your momma’s back
When a problem comes along
You must whip it
Before the cream sits out too long
You must whip it
When something’s going wrong
You must whip it

Now whip it
Into shape
Shape it up
Get straight
Go forward
Move ahead
Try to detect it
It’s not too late
To whip it
Into shape
Shape it up
Get straight
Go forward
Move ahead
Try to detect it
It’s not too late
To whip it
Whip it good

582 Lidane  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:10:32am

Expert legal reasoning:

583 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:10:59am

David Sirota is going on and on and on and on about PBS!!!!!! the way that wingnuts go on about BENGHAZI!!!!!!!

584 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:11:45am
585 Chrysicat  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:12:01am

re: #552 Targetpractice

You can lead a dudebro to knowledge, but you can’t make him think.

Dammit, now you’ve got “You Could Have Been with Me” running through my head. And I haven’t even heard it in 25 years!

586 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:12:06am

re: #583 Pie-onist Overlord

David Sirota is going on and on and on and on about PBS!!!!!! the way that wingnuts go on about BENGHAZI!!!!!!!

Flogging a tiny equine fetus. It’s all he has.

587 Chrysicat  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:12:38am

re: #567 Dr Lizardo

Is that a Recluse?

588 chadu  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:13:02am

re: #586 wrenchwench

Flogging a tiny equine fetus. It’s all he has.

All the updings.

589 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:14:18am

re: #587 Chrysicat

Is that a Recluse?

I don’t know. It’s a larger spider, that’s for sure.

590 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:14:21am

re: #583 Pie-onist Overlord

David Sirota is going on and on and on and on about PBS!!!!!! the way that wingnuts go on about BENGHAZI!!!!!!!

591 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:14:28am

re: #582 Lidane

Expert legal reasoning:

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Is that old buzzard still alive? Is hate that much of a preservative?

592 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:14:53am

re: #582 Lidane

Expert legal reasoning:

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Yeah because gay couples having the same rights as straight ones is anywhere near human enslavement. Crazy old witch.

593 jaunte  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:15:19am

Opposition supporters flood Caracas after Lopez arrest

594 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:15:28am

re: #591 Targetpractice

Is that old buzzard still alive? Is hate that much of a preservative?

It’s the only thing she’s truly had to live for. Whether it’s working women, immigrants who aren’t White, or gays.

595 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:15:49am

re: #588 chadu

All the updings.

Equus mortuus est.

596 Kragar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:15:55am

re: #584 Justanotherhuman

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Pretty sure force will resolve it in the short term, just not in the favor of the protestors

597 chadu  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:16:49am

re: #586 wrenchwench

Flogging a tiny equine fetus. It’s all he has.

It’s time for it…

598 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:17:01am

Drive-by:

599 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:18:51am

re: #594 HappyWarrior

It’s the only thing she’s truly had to live for. Whether it’s working women, immigrants who aren’t White, or gays.

Something like Obama’s reelection should have been enough to do her in. Maybe when Hillary’s in…..

600 Chrysicat  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:19:00am

re: #583 Pie-onist Overlord

David Sirota is going on and on and on and on about PBS!!!!!! the way that wingnuts go on about BENGHAZI!!!!!!!

We have a ‘dudebro’ tagcode as well as a ‘wingnut’ one? Why have I never seen this before? And why no ‘moonbat’ one? :-P

601 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:19:36am


And protesters are said to have set fire to an APC and a water cannon.

602 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:19:47am

re: #598 CuriousLurker

>Drive-by:

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Do you know how many protesters are there? CNN mentioned something like 20,000.

603 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:20:16am

re: #600 Chrysicat

We have a ‘dudebro’ tagcode as well as a ‘wingnut’ one? Why have I never seen this before? And why no ‘moonbat’ one? :-P

Because, as a wise lizard put it recently, we’re the moonbats now.

604 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:20:22am
605 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:21:20am

re: #599 wrenchwench

Something like Obama’s reelection should have been enough to do her in. Maybe when Hillary’s in…..

I don’t know. What I love about her whole spiel is she’s made a living telling women that they shouldn’t be working outside the home yet she’s been you know making her living outside the home. We’ve never heard of Mr. Schalfry after all.

606 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:21:29am

re: #602 NJDhockeyfan

Do you know how many protesters are there? CNN mentioned something like 20,000.

Most say 20K; some 15K. Children and women were asked to leave earlier in the afternoon by speakers when they knew this was coming.

607 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:21:30am
608 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:23:20am

re: #524 GunstarGreen

Like I said, the only way this ends is with the utter and complete collapse of the GOP as a party, at least the GOP as we know it. They cannot adapt with the times. They depend too heavily on the votes of people that would eviscerate them for ever allowing that traditional ideas of marriage are outdated and need to be done away with. To update their ideology to adapt to the rising wave of new voters who don’t give a damn what gender you are would be to enrage their primary base and leave them with nothing at the voting booth. In embracing the bad crazy, they’ve burned all other bridges and have nowhere else to go.

It’s kind of like a political version of what’s wrong with Harley-Davidson these days. H-D depends so heavily on the market of boomers with H-D brand nostalgia (average rider age for them is 48+), that to update their image to adapt to modern riders is to alienate the bulk of the current customer base and thus wind up with nothing.

It’s more like the double-whammy of having to compete for the younger audience while at the same time handle all the noisy criticism and invective of the aging out group that is now acting alienated. A tough burden to operate under, and apparently one they are afraid of taking up.

609 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:23:58am

re: #587 Chrysicat

Is that a Recluse?

Pretty sure it’s a Huntsman.

610 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:24:21am

re: #604 Gus

I was reading the dead thread when I couldn’t sleep last night, and noticed Cole being an ass. Then I went to his site and saw that, besides Newsmax, he also had an ad for ‘The Libre Initiative’, which, if I’m not mistaken, is a Koch-funded outreach to conservative Hispanics.

611 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:25:08am

re: #602 NJDhockeyfan

Do you know how many protesters are there? CNN mentioned something like 20,000.

No, sorry, I have no idea. Looks like JAH #606 is keeping up though.

612 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:25:26am

re: #610 wrenchwench

I was reading the dead thread when I couldn’t sleep last night, and noticed Cole being an ass. Then I went to his site and saw that, besides Newsmax, he also had an ad for ‘The Libre Initiative’, which, if I’m not mistaken, is a Koch-funded outreach to conservative Hispanics.

Ha! I gave up with him and blocked him.

613 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:25:44am

re: #605 HappyWarrior

I don’t know. What I love about her whole spiel is she’s made a living telling women that they shouldn’t be working outside the home yet she’s been you know making her living outside the home. We’ve never heard of Mr. Schalfry after all.

I noticed the irony in the 70’s (and she was old then). At least now she has a Mr. Schlafley she can point to: her son.

614 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:29:26am

re: #543 b_sharp

It’s not like spoofing doesn’t exist.

Or I could release mine right now and get a new one from the DHCP pool. If I got a different one would that make me a different individual? i could become the classical pianist momma always wanted me to be …

615 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:30:15am

We Should Have Been Transparent

no matter how hard i try to be transparent, it seems that people just see right through me

616 Lidane  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:31:11am

While the Ukraine is actually on fire, RWNJs keep the persecution fantasies going:

617 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:32:56am
618 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:34:55am
619 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:36:21am

re: #618 wrenchwench

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That’s the new automated burger machine that the fast-food corporations thought they could use to get around paying a higher minimum wage.

620 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:37:49am

WHAT. THE. FUCK.

621 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:37:51am

Police in Kiev carrying crate of molotov cocktails earlier.

facebook.com

622 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:38:59am

re: #617 NJDhockeyfan

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I wonder if this is what they’re talking about:


From: twitter.com

Not gonna watch if that happens…

623 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:39:20am

re: #620 Pie-onist Overlord

WHAT. THE. FUCK.

[Embedded content]

Protestor on fire.

624 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:41:29am

Joe Biden called Yanukovych earlier but did not get a call back.

facebook.com

625 RadicalModerate  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:41:46am

re: #604 Gus

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Damn. That’s two that they have lost in the past year. Alan Myers, another high-profile member and former drummer, passed away last June.

626 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:41:51am

re: #623 Justanotherhuman

Protestor on fire.

From inside his jacket, looks like….

627 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:43:12am
628 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:44:21am

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” - Thomas Jefferson

629 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:45:05am

I need cookies.

630 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:45:28am

re: #627 wrenchwench

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True enough, but what?

Have the ICC announce a case being opened against Yanukovych? Seize the assets of Yanukovych and his allies? An Interpol arrest warrant for Yanukovych and members of the ruling party?

What can they really do?

631 jaunte  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:46:29am
632 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:49:31am

re: #630 Dr Lizardo

True enough, but what?

Have the ICC announce a case being opened against Yanukovych? Seize the assets of Yanukovych and his allies? An Interpol arrest warrant for Yanukovych and members of the ruling party?

What can they really do?

The word ‘sanctions’ has appeared, but it’s not exactly a quick-fix proposal.

633 Kragar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:50:44am
634 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:51:34am
635 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:52:27am

So many incredible pictures coming out of Kiev. Here is another one.

636 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:52:28am

Look at tweets to him…

637 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:59:01am

re: #630 Dr Lizardo

True enough, but what?

Have the ICC announce a case being opened against Yanukovych? Seize the assets of Yanukovych and his allies? An Interpol arrest warrant for Yanukovych and members of the ruling party?

What can they really do?

This is what I hate about the whole realpolitik thing. Practical self-interest always seems to trump ideology/ideals. Look at how quickly we—not all of us, but many—were willing to forgo certain supposedly cherished notions of freedom, fairness, due process, etc. when we felt directly, personally threatened.

These Ukrainian protestors are putting their lives & freedom on the line in pursuit of an ideal. IMO, it’s a noble thing that deserves respect, I don’t blame them for their disdain, no matter how hopeless their current situation may seem.

Would that I would have their courage & conviction if ever faced with a similar situation. We Americans wouldn’t have the comfort, security, and freedoms we enjoy if our own forefathers hadn’t done put it all on the line.

638 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:59:05am

re: #632 wrenchwench

The word ‘sanctions’ has appeared, but it’s not exactly a quick-fix proposal.

Exactly. The international community could try seizing assets of Yanukovych and his allies. That’s a bit more immediate, and painful.

639 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:02:02pm

re: #637 CuriousLurker

Would that I would have their courage & conviction if ever faced with a similar situation. We Americans wouldn’t have the comfort, security, and freedoms we enjoy if our own forefathers hadn’t done put it all on the line.

This is why John Lewis and his cohorts are such heroes to me. They did it.

640 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:02:32pm

re: #639 wrenchwench

This is why John Lewis and his cohorts are such heroes to me. They did it.

Exactly.

641 Amory Blaine  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:14:13pm

re: #432 wrenchwench

Here’s my Venezuelan brother in law, appearing as Godfather to my niece over the weekend.

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He used to live in Caracas. I think he’s pretty happy to have his green card and live in California now.

Hey I recognize that cute little pumpkin!!


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