Yet Another Highly Misleading GCHQ/NSA Article From the Intercept

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Here we go again. Another hyperbolic fear-mongering headline that is not supported by the actual article: Snowden Documents Reveal Covert Surveillance and Pressure Tactics Aimed at WikiLeaks and Its Supporters. It’s an ongoing pattern of seemingly deliberate misrepresentations.

The premise of this latest breaking news bombshell by Glenn Greenwald and Ryan Gallagher is that GCHQ has been “spying” on people who visit the Wikileaks website, by collecting statistics with the open source Piwik analytics program. But if you read down to paragraph 20, you discover:

It is unclear from the PowerPoint presentation whether GCHQ monitored the WikiLeaks site as part of a pilot program designed to demonstrate its capability, using only a small set of covertly collected data, or whether the agency continues to actively deploy its surveillance system to monitor visitors to WikiLeaks.

That’s right — they do not know from these stolen documents whether this program was ever actually deployed in the real world. Yet the entire rest of the article does its best to give you the impression that it was, with subheadings like “GCHQ Spies on WikiLeaks Visitors.” Once again, this Greenwald piece deceptively conflates the ability to do something with actually doing it.

But even more than that, the article contains these drastically incorrect technical statements about IP addresses…

The IP addresses collected by GCHQ are used to identify individual computers that connect to the Internet, and can be traced back to specific people if the IP address has not been masked using an anonymity service.

Wow. Folks, these claims are simply wrong in every sense.

First, Internet Protocol addresses do not “identify individual computers that connect to the Internet.” An IP address is a unique number assigned to an Internet connection, not to the device using that connection. I have seven devices connected to the same IP address in my office.

Second, IP addresses cannot be “traced back to specific people.” That’s nonsense. An IP address can be part of a proxy system, for example, in which case there could be hundreds or thousands of people using the same address. Or it could be dynamic, in which case it could be different every time a person connects to the Internet. There is simply no way to get an individual’s identity using only an IP address, as this article claims, whether not it is “masked.”

The only way an IP address can be traced to an individual account holder is by going to the ISP with a court order to get their records. And note that even doing this will not determine for certain whether the account holder was actually the one using that IP address. By itself, an IP address is useless for identifying individual people.

When I tried to point out these things to one of the authors of the piece this morning on Twitter, here’s the response:

That answer is completely non-responsive; to be honest it seems like deliberate BS. Whether the IP is dynamic or static has absolutely nothing to do with whether it identifies an individual computer; it doesn’t. Again, an IP address identifies a connection, not a device. Gallagher seems highly confused about this distinction.

Another response:

But if you read the article, that is not what it says. The part I quoted above says very clearly that the IP can be traced to individuals, not that it can be used in conjunction with other information.

Why wasn’t this made clear in the article? Draw your own conclusions; to me, it looks like a deliberate attempt to sow fear with misleading claims.

One more tweet, from Micah Lee, The Intercept’s technologist:

Yes, that’s right — he’s actually comparing an IP address to a driver’s license or a photo of a face. And the thing is, he’s got to be technically aware enough to know that this is simply not even close to being a reasonable comparison. When I pointed this out, here’s how he answered:

At that point, he stopped responding.

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471 comments
1 Kragar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:52:45am

Nothing these people say can be trusted at even the most basic technical level.

2 Kragar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:55:25am

and if they can’t get the simplest things correct, why on earth would we trust them with complex analysis?

3 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:57:06am

In several recent rejections of copyright and porn troll cases judges have bitchslapped the trolls with this observation.

4 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:57:19am

But it’s POWERPOINT!!11!!!

5 jaunte  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:57:26am
You must be right. The VPN industry is gonna flip when they realize IPs don’t matter to privacy

Purely dishonest deflection.

6 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:58:35am

When they can’t even get the basic technology and terminology correct, how should anyone take what they report to be factually accurate?

IP addresses aren’t drivers licenses. They’re far closer to being a street intersection than an individual’s driver’s license.

It points to a location, but not the person behind it. VPN and other masking of IP addresses is meant to obfuscate and protect the address. Getting to the address gives you some information, but not all.

I have an IP address, but it doesn’t get you all the way to who is actually in control of the device on which I’m connected to the Internet. That’s the extra step that the “technologist” wants to ignore.

7 jaunte  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:58:49am

“Face of the new journalism!”

8 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:59:19am

re: #5 jaunte

Purely dishonest deflection.

Yep. After this exchange I’m more convinced than ever that this isn’t just confusion - it’s a deliberate attempt to mislead.

9 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 11:59:35am

re: #7 jaunte

“Face of the new journalism!”

“Fearless!”

10 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:00:21pm

Pierre must be delighted with how well his money is being spent on internet security “experts”…

11 Kragar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:01:09pm

1) MAC addresses, not IP addresses would allow you to ID a specific device with at least a degree of accuracy and even then, a MAC address can be spoofed.

2) You might be able to ID the device used, but you could not directly relate that to the person using that device, especially if they device was accessible to multiple users in a non-secured environment.

12 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:01:34pm

Isn’t collecting IP addresses of website visitors like hacking 101?

13 BusyMonster  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:02:43pm

Having been a Fortune 500 IT guy for almost 20 years, you are correct, Charles. You do not own your IP address, it can change at a moments’ notice, and the fact that you owned it 20 minutes ago doesn’t mean jack shit. It is not your personal IP address. You could be sharing it with your whole neighborhood, or company. And there are only 4294967296 of them and they have all been allocated (I believe some of the last blocks were allocated not too long ago).

“The VPN industry is gonna flip when they realize IPs don’t matter to privacy”

I don’t think the VPN “industry” which is actually people like Cisco, are going to “flip” at all. They’re going to tell a second-rate hacker dudebro to learn his subject properly and not talk like a stuttering fucking fool.

14 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:03:08pm

Reference to the porn trolls at Ars:
arstechnica.com

the machine language ID from your network adapter could identify itself but not a machine since you can move cards/adapters machine to machine.

Also a primer on DHCP for those who might be lost:
members.tripod.com

15 Timothy Watson  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:03:14pm
That’s the point. It can help ID. It needs to be considered in context of their other capabilities.

What “other capabilites”, witchcraft?

16 jaunte  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:03:51pm

The IP addresses collected by GCHQ are used to identify individual computers that connect to the Internet, and can be traced back to specific people if the IP address has not been masked using an anonymity service.

Plus, if you’re outside and look up at the sky, the NSA satellites can identify you with face-reading technology.
So always wear the Guy Fawkes mask.

17 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:04:29pm

re: #16 jaunte

Plus, if you’re outside and look up at the sky, the NSA satellites can identify you with face-reading technology.
So always wear the Guy Fawkes mask.

Where? On the face or the top of ones head?

18 BusyMonster  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:04:53pm

re: #12 Gus

Isn’t collecting IP addresses of website visitors like hacking 101?

It’s more like System Administration 101. Know where your system’s endpoints are.

MAC addresses, not IP addresses would allow you to ID a specific device with at least a degree of accuracy and even then, a MAC address can be spoofed

I have over 2,000 computers that don’t even really exist, who all have a computer-generated MAC address. I can change their MACs anytime I want.

19 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:05:00pm

re: #17 Gus

Where? On the face or the top of ones head?

Both obviously, and if you have a third…

20 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:05:05pm

re: #16 jaunte

Plus, if you’re outside and look up at the sky, the NSA satellites can identify you with face-reading technology.
So always wear the Guy Fawkes mask helmet.

Full coverage in case they’ve deployed scalp-reading technology.

21 jaunte  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:05:06pm

re: #17 Gus

The golf umbrella size is especially useful.

22 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:05:47pm

re: #21 jaunte

The golf umbrella size is especially useful.

What were those full coverage umbrellas from the 70s called?

23 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:06:17pm

Guy Fawkes Dome Umbrella™

24 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:07:07pm

re: #21 jaunte

The golf umbrella size is especially useful.

Lined with tinfoil!

25 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:07:07pm

They show no interest in learning.

They pretend to be teaching, though.

26 jaunte  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:07:08pm
27 jaunte  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:07:38pm

“buckminsters”

28 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:07:46pm

re: #26 jaunte

thecollectiveint.com

Guy Fawkes Tin-Foil Lined Unitard™

29 Kragar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:08:53pm

re: #18 BusyMonster

It’s more like System Administration 101. Know where your system’s endpoints are.

I have over 2,000 computers that don’t even really exist, who all have a computer-generated MAC address. I can change their MACs anytime I want.

Once you start talking virtual machines, it all goes out the window.

30 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:09:22pm

re: #25 wrenchwench

They show no interest in learning.

They pretend to be teaching, though.

Argument from self-described authority. I’m sure it works with their audience.

31 RinaX  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:09:54pm

Wow, as lahawk says, this is basic computer class stuff. I’m an application developer who worked my way up with the help of community college courses on the way to a degree achieved years later, so I don’t pretend to know all thereIis to know about coding and computers, but sheesh.

32 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:11:41pm

I am so lost in this particular topic. At the beginning, I had a total aversion to Snowden et. al., so I ignored the topic. Now, it has grown tenacles and become something I cannot even begin to grasp.

Has a Dummies version been published?

33 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:11:43pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Yep. After this exchange I’m more convinced than ever that this isn’t just confusion - it’s a deliberate attempt to mislead.

It’s tabloid journalism, written to be sold to the lowest common denominator. Play to their fears by relying on their ignorance.

34 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:12:16pm

re: #31 RinaX

Wow, as lahawk says, this is basic computer class stuff. I’m an application developer who worked my way up with the help of community college courses on the way to a degree achieved years later, so I don’t pretend to know all thereIis to know about coding and computers, but sheesh.

That’s no way to dudebro. Pretend! Everybody’s doing it!

35 Kragar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:12:27pm

Dudebros can never be wrong, they can only be wronged.

36 Kragar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:13:23pm

re: #34 wrenchwench

That’s no way to dudebro. Pretend! Everybody’s doing it!

Youtube Video

37 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:14:00pm

Fox is reporting police are moving in now. This is unreal.

38 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:14:37pm

I really don’t like talking about medical stuff.

Sorry for my absence. Basically, that knock to the head I took has had longer-lasting repurcussions, and at the moment we’re not exactly sure why. The good news is my intracranial pressure is fine. The bad news is I’m getting cluster migraines that are making it a challenge to get through a lot of days. My sense of time is also screwed up right now; I seriously meant to post this like a week ago. I’m also super-depressed, which may be a physical side effect of the whack to the head or it might, y’know, be because of all the pain and stuff. Either way, it makes it weirdly harder to talk to friends than to strangers. The good output of that is I’m still able to get along in my schoolwork well enough.

Anyway. No promises on how much I’ll be around. Wish I could say I’m just okay, but it’s not the case, but nobody thinks I’m in any immediate danger of croaking, but nobody really knows why I’m getting constant headaches, either. We’ll see.

Oh and another piece of good news—my school-provided ACA-compliant insurance isn’t fighting any of the bills even though this was from something that happened out of state. Thanks Obama, I think.

39 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:15:02pm

Oh, one more clarification — a VPN is thing, not really an industry. There are lots of network companies, ISP’s, and wireless providers who provide VPN’s as part of their bundles of services or packages but the “VPN Industry” is really a term used more by pirate party people, anon, and others than companies who actually provide networks.

40 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:15:51pm

re: #38 Uncle Obdicut

{{gentle hugs}}

41 S'latch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:15:59pm

It’s clearly dishonest deflection.

42 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:16:03pm

re: #38 Uncle Obdicut

{{{{{{{{OBDI}}}}}}}}

Have some pie!

43 Kragar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:16:58pm

re: #38 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Glad to see you’re still with us.

44 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:17:46pm

re: #43 Kragar

Glad to see you’re still with us.

For a certain value of ‘with’ and ‘us’.

45 S'latch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:17:50pm

re: #35 Kragar

Dudebros can never be wrong, they can only be wronged.

You can always count on a Dudebro to hang tough with you, right or wrong.

46 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:19:05pm

re: #38 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

{{{Obdi}}}

47 Amory Blaine  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:19:15pm
48 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:20:07pm

re: #44 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

For a certain value of ‘with’ and ‘us’.

Just keep repeating every day: “Every day and in every way, I am getting better, and better.”

:)

49 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:20:41pm

re: #38 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Wow, sorry to hear that you’re still going through it. Thanks for letting us know you’re still around - hope things improve soon.

50 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:21:16pm

Oh, for chrissakes. When I enter my IP, it shows the co I have internet service with and a town I don’t even live in.

Never my name, address or anything else identifying me.

Googling IP gets me my address, and this explanation of what an IP is:

How IP addresses and geographic locations are related

Your IP address is usually assigned based on a real-world location. To help provide you relevant local results, like the weather in your city when you search for [weather], your IP address may be used by Google to make an educated guess at your general location. (my emphasis)

51 Amory Blaine  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:21:18pm

((Obdi)) Please take care. Are you following up with a specialist?

52 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:22:40pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

Some people get ‘post-concussion syndrome’ for as long as I have, but it’s rare. Hoping that’s all it is, just the ‘insult to the brain’ taking awhile to resolve, with my past history with concussions from boxing making it worse.

Probably also just being old now, too.

This picture has been making me sadly laugh all day though:

Image: OlemVM1.jpg

53 klys  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:23:43pm

re: #38 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Thinking good thoughts in your direction, with the hopes that this can be figured out at some point soon.

We miss you but take the time you need to heal.

54 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:23:54pm

OK, what’s this with what looks like several really long poles being carried in front of the tents?
Utility poles to add to the fires?
Building a siege engine or catapult?

Line of poles being carried in Kiev.

55 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:24:25pm

re: #38 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Hope your doc can find out the cause of those headaches soon. Meanwhile, do take care and get plenty of rest. We were all rooting for your return. : )

56 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:24:46pm

re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth

ah…I see the protesters throwing them into the fires now.

57 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:26:01pm

re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth

OK, what’s this with what looks like several really long poles being carried in front of the tents?
Utility poles to add to the fires?
Building a siege engine or catapult?

Line of poles being carried in Kiev.

They are throwing everything they can get their hands on to keep the fire blazing. Check this pick out.

58 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:26:03pm

re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth

OK, what’s this with what looks like several really long poles being carried in front of the tents?
Utility poles to add to the fires?
Building a siege engine or catapult?

Line of poles being carried in Kiev.

I heard the Poles were taking wounded protestors…. oh, wait….

59 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:28:08pm

re: #57 NJDhockeyfan

They are throwing everything they can get their hands on to keep the fire blazing. Check this pick out.

[Embedded content]

yeah, I’ve been getting a few screengrabs from the YouTube live feed.
This really is amazing.

60 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:28:56pm

OT, but I couldn’t resist:

61 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:29:41pm

re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth

yeah, I’ve been getting a few screengrabs from the YouTube live feed.
This really is amazing.

The wind is in the protester’s favor at the moment.

62 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:30:30pm

re: #38 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I really don’t like talking about medical stuff.

Sorry for my absence. Basically, that knock to the head I took has had longer-lasting repurcussions, and at the moment we’re not exactly sure why. The good news is my intracranial pressure is fine. The bad news is I’m getting cluster migraines that are making it a challenge to get through a lot of days. My sense of time is also screwed up right now; I seriously meant to post this like a week ago. I’m also super-depressed, which may be a physical side effect of the whack to the head or it might, y’know, be because of all the pain and stuff. Either way, it makes it weirdly harder to talk to friends than to strangers. The good output of that is I’m still able to get along in my schoolwork well enough.

Anyway. No promises on how much I’ll be around. Wish I could say I’m just okay, but it’s not the case, but nobody thinks I’m in any immediate danger of croaking, but nobody really knows why I’m getting constant headaches, either. We’ll see.

Oh and another piece of good news—my school-provided ACA-compliant insurance isn’t fighting any of the bills even though this was from something that happened out of state. Thanks Obama, I think.

OBDI!!!

I can relate to the depression and losing track of time. This winter and cabin fever don’t help.

take care of you!

63 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:32:03pm

re: #38 Uncle Obdicut

I really don’t like talking about medical stuff.

Sorry for my absence. Basically, that knock to the head I took has had longer-lasting repurcussions, and at the moment we’re not exactly sure why. The good news is my intracranial pressure is fine. The bad news is I’m getting cluster migraines that are making it a challenge to get through a lot of days. My sense of time is also screwed up right now; I seriously meant to post this like a week ago. I’m also super-depressed, which may be a physical side effect of the whack to the head or it might, y’know, be because of all the pain and stuff. Either way, it makes it weirdly harder to talk to friends than to strangers. The good output of that is I’m still able to get along in my schoolwork well enough.

Anyway. No promises on how much I’ll be around. Wish I could say I’m just okay, but it’s not the case, but nobody thinks I’m in any immediate danger of croaking, but nobody really knows why I’m getting constant headaches, either. We’ll see.

Oh and another piece of good news—my school-provided ACA-compliant insurance isn’t fighting any of the bills even though this was from something that happened out of state. Thanks Obama, I think.

Hang in there Obdi!

64 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:33:48pm
65 simoom  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:33:54pm

As always, when Greenwald writes up a WikiLeaks-focused piece, he failed to disclose his financial relationship to them (that his org, Freedom of the Press Foundation, has been funneling them money for years):

pressfreedomfoundation.org

Beat the Financial Blockade: Donate to WikiLeaks

In late 2010, in response to unofficial government pressure, Visa, Mastercard, and PayPal cut WikiLeaks off from receiving donations after WikiLeaks started publishing a trove of secret US State Department cables, despite the fact that its publications were fully protected by the First Amendment.

Freedom of the Press Foundation takes donations on behalf of WikiLeaks, and has pledged to do the same for any news organization in a similar situation, to prevent unjust and extra-legal financial censorship of the press.

66 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:35:14pm

The protesters are passing around cobblestones. Arming up.

67 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:35:23pm

Whoa, this is big.

68 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:36:12pm

re: #65 simoom

As always, when Greenwald writes up a WikiLeaks-focused piece, he failed to disclose his financial relationship to them (that his org, Freedom of the Press Foundation, has been funneling them money for years):

pressfreedomfoundation.org

Also. They’re funded by Mother Jones.

69 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:36:53pm

re: #38 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I really don’t like talking about medical stuff.

Sorry for my absence. Basically, that knock to the head I took has had longer-lasting repurcussions, and at the moment we’re not exactly sure why. The good news is my intracranial pressure is fine. The bad news is I’m getting cluster migraines that are making it a challenge to get through a lot of days. My sense of time is also screwed up right now; I seriously meant to post this like a week ago. I’m also super-depressed, which may be a physical side effect of the whack to the head or it might, y’know, be because of all the pain and stuff. Either way, it makes it weirdly harder to talk to friends than to strangers. The good output of that is I’m still able to get along in my schoolwork well enough.

Anyway. No promises on how much I’ll be around. Wish I could say I’m just okay, but it’s not the case, but nobody thinks I’m in any immediate danger of croaking, but nobody really knows why I’m getting constant headaches, either. We’ll see.

Oh and another piece of good news—my school-provided ACA-compliant insurance isn’t fighting any of the bills even though this was from something that happened out of state. Thanks Obama, I think.

Egad, I had no idea you’d been injured! Would you remind repeating what happened for those of us who don’t know?

It’s good to see you back, even if only temporarily. I hope things improve—after last year’s aneurysm I know only too well how much havoc things that affect your brain can wreak.

70 BusyMonster  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:37:18pm

re: #29 Kragar

Once you start talking virtual machines, it all goes out the window.

Yea, and things are going virtual FAST. We will probably be mostly using a combination of little phone-like devices and big compute cycles in a cloud, at least until someone comes up with a way to screw the competition over by reversing the centralization of IT (which, I expect to happen).

But, any juncture at which someone could have made a firm machine/person/number connection, well those junctures are all years in the past. Nobody could ever promise IP/MAC address consistency back then, and surely not now.

71 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:37:34pm

re: #66 Dr Lizardo

The protesters are passing around cobblestones. Arming up.

Certainly seems they will not go down without a fight. If the government thugs are going to put down these protests, it’s not going to be with little resistance.

72 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:40:22pm
In Hobby Lobby, the plaintiffs (backed by an amicus brief from the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops) argue that, like Thomas, employers get to define their own religious beliefs, and are the only competent judges of the religious cost of violating those beliefs.

also Paged

73 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:40:30pm

re: #65 simoom

As always, when Greenwald writes up a WikiLeaks-focused piece, he failed to disclose his financial relationship to them (that his org, Freedom of the Press Foundation, has been funneling them money for years):

pressfreedomfoundation.org

So basically this is like a political journalist reporting on DC politics and Ted Cruz belonging to a board that collects money for Ted Cruz.

74 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:41:13pm

re: #70 BusyMonster

Yea, and things are going virtual FAST. We will probably be mostly using a combination of little phone-like devices and big compute cycles in a cloud, at least until someone comes up with a way to screw the competition over by reversing the centralization of IT (which, I expect to happen).

But, any juncture at which someone could have made a firm machine/person/number connection, well those junctures are all years in the past. Nobody could ever promise IP/MAC address consistency back then, and surely not now.

What about Hal?

75 RadicalModerate  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:41:31pm
The only way an IP address can be traced to an individual account holder is by going to the ISP with a court order to get their records. And note that even doing this will not determine for certain whether the account holder was actually the one using that IP address. By itself, an IP address is useless for identifying individual people.

That isn’t entirely true. In cases where there is a static IP leased via an internet service provider, the name of the user of that address is entered into the Whois information, even if there is no domain name registered. I found this out the hard way a while back when I had a static IP address for ADSL service via my local telco. Doing a reverse lookup on the IP address assigned to me gave all of my contact info (including name, address and telephone #). Needless to say, I wasn’t particularly happy about this, but was told that it was standard procedure.

Laws may have changed since then, which I hope is truly the case especially when ipv6 gets a full rollout, because all of those addresses are going to be statically allocated.

76 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:42:22pm

re: #72 FemNaziBitch

also Paged

Employers can have whatever religious beliefs they like, the line’s drawn at imposing those beliefs on their employees.

77 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:43:30pm

Translation: “Thank you all for participating in the twitter-storming. Ukraine managed to successfully bring to trends. Trymaymosya!”

78 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:46:47pm

Ugh, looks like I somehow attracted another moonbat on Twitter. Or maybe it’s a dudebro or a bagger—hard to tell the difference these days.

Yeah, sorry, but ANGRY SHOUTING PEOPLE aren’t attractive to me.

I’m getting seriously tired of all this crap.

79 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:47:12pm

re: #71 Targetpractice

Certainly seems they will not go down without a fight. If the government thugs are going to put down these protests, it’s not going to be with little resistance.

Yep.

Once, I was young a stupid teenager, a friend and I had a little (maniacal] fun by duct-taping three M80’s together, duct-taping an 8” long wooden dowel to that, then filling a mid-sized bubblewrap envelope with ball-bearings, taped it shut, then wrapped that around the three M80’s with a heavy rubber band.

Lit the fuse, threw ‘em, and took cover.

Basically, we made crude fragmentation grenades. What can I say? I was a wacky kid.

80 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:47:29pm

I’m a journalist. I mainly report on Mr. “X.” I also belong to an organization that’s financed by a media competitor and ally. I’m also a member of the board of said organization. We also raise funds for Mr. “X.”

This is fearless news? This is more like Fox News.

81 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:48:16pm

re: #76 Targetpractice

Employers can have whatever religious beliefs they like, the line’s drawn at imposing those beliefs on their employees.

From what I gathered, employers are trying to use the Religious Freedom Restoration Act to their advantage in some issues.

Religion, emotions, law —not a great combination.

82 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:48:45pm


(Photo at FB link)

83 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:49:01pm

Would you want news about Oliver North from a journalist that sits on the board of an organization that collects money for Oliver North?

84 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:49:48pm

re: #83 Gus

Would you want news about Oliver North from a journalist that sits on the board of an organization that collects money for Oliver North?

I don’t want news about Oliver North from anyone.

85 jaunte  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:49:58pm

re: #83 Gus

How many purloined secret documents has he got stashed?

86 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:50:27pm

Well, now, we have a flood advisory.

The snow is predicted to melt, today.

:)

87 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:50:42pm

re: #81 FemNaziBitch

From what I gathered, employers are trying to use the Religious Freedom Restoration Act to their advantage in some issues.

Religion, emotions, law —not a great combination.

The RFRA deals with persons, not corporations. We don’t need another Citizen’s United granting religious freedoms to corporations at the expense of their employees.

88 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:51:39pm

HA!

89 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:53:30pm

90 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:53:48pm

re: #80 Gus

I’m a journalist. I mainly report on Mr. “X.” I also belong to an organization that’s financed by a media competitor and ally. I’m also a member of the board of said organization. We also raise funds for Mr. “X.”

This is fearless news? This is more like Fox News.

Soon we will discover the connection to RT.

/?

91 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:54:04pm
92 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:54:19pm

re: #84 FemNaziBitch

I don’t want news about Oliver North from anyone.

Would you want news about __________________ from a journalist that sits on the board of an organization that collects money for __________________ ?

93 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:55:21pm

re: #12 Gus

Isn’t collecting IP addresses of website visitors like hacking 101?

Even many times able to tell what kind of browser you are using.

[*running out of room screaming*]
OMG, they know me, they see me, they want me!

EDIT: For spelling

94 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:55:22pm

re: #78 CuriousLurker

Speaking of dudebros, for those of you addicted to “House of Cards”, I finished watching season 2 last night. This isn’t really a spoiler, but you know who gets mentioned (twice) by a hacker/anonymous type person in one of the episodes towards the end? Barret Brown. I kid you not.

95 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:55:40pm
96 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:57:08pm
97 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:58:42pm

Something reminded me that spring is only officially a month away.

Green lily shoots coming up once the snow has melted. : ) Very nice outside today, and tomorrow around 70.

98 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:58:45pm
99 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:58:48pm

re: #93 Eventual Carrion

Even may times able to tell what kind of browser you are using.

[*running out of room screaming*]
OMG, they know me, they see me, they want me!

THEY’RE WATCHING YOU THROUGH YOUR WEBCAM RIGHT NOW!!

100 Weet  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:58:49pm

Glad you have the stomach to deal with these page-view pushing, fear-mongering libertarian wannabe’s. I simply despise them all at this point.

101 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 12:59:32pm

BTW. Guess who’s also a board member for Freedom of the Press Foundation?

Micah Lee

Micah Lee is the chief technology officer and a board member of Freedom of the Press Foundation, and the author of Encryption Works. An avid GNU/Linux user, he has been writing code in a variety of languages for a variety of platforms for over a decade. He takes a keen interest in computer security, cryptography, privacy, Free Software, and Internet freedoms. He recently left his job as a technologist at the Electronic Frontier Foundation to join Glenn Greenwald, Laura Poitras, and others at First Look Media.

102 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:00:40pm

re: #100 Weet

Glad you have the stomach to deal with these page-view pushing, fear-mongering libertarian wannabe’s. I simply despise them all at this point.

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HavanaTed…lololol!

103 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:01:24pm

re: #100 Weet

Glad you have the stomach to deal with these page-view pushing, fear-mongering libertarian wannabe’s. I simply despise them all at this point.

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@HavanaTed is a parody account

104 jaunte  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:03:07pm

105 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:03:20pm

re: #65 simoom

As always, when Greenwald writes up a WikiLeaks-focused piece, he failed to disclose his financial relationship to them (that his org, Freedom of the Press Foundation, has been funneling them money for years):

pressfreedomfoundation.org

And Greenwald has viciously smeared other people for not disclosing connections even when they have.

It’s just amazing how un-questioning the rest of the media is about this stuff. They wouldn’t hesitate to attack any other person for it.

106 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:03:58pm

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Gee, you think they might be a little pissed?

107 b.d.  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:04:40pm

If you ever wanted to know how FoxNews viewers ended up in their own reality then just pay attention to what the folks at the theintercept are doing.

108 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:06:45pm

Holy cow

109 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:08:25pm

re: #38 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Good to see you again.

110 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:10:45pm

What is it with German twitters and this steampunk vibe they seem to push?

Now also dirt gas masks, where else daily opposition Suspended press conferences (translation)

111 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:11:47pm

re: #100 Weet

Glad you have the stomach to deal with these page-view pushing, fear-mongering libertarian wannabe’s. I simply despise them all at this point.

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Slavery? Really?

112 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:13:40pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

@HavanaTed is a parody account

Glad to hear that. I couldn’t even see the teabaggers letting something that blatant get out into the public thought stream, no matter how much they think it.

113 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:13:45pm

re: #111 Eventual Carrion

Slavery? Really?

Parody account.

114 Lidane  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:15:48pm

re: #111 Eventual Carrion

Slavery? Really?

To be fair, that particular Twitter feed is an obvious parody. HOWEVER, there are plenty of Neo-Confederate assholes who will tell you with a straight face that slavery should have been left to a popular vote in the 1860’s. You know, because the Confederate states that depended on the forced labor of others to survive would have decided on their own to end slavery.

Ron Paul has been saying that shit for decades.

115 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:18:58pm
116 Stanley Sea  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:19:25pm

re: #38 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Good to hear from you Obdi. Hang in there the best you can.

You were missed.

117 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:19:50pm

Disarming the Berkut!

118 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:20:14pm

This is excellent.

It works for the subject featured and for so many more. Insert Domestic Violence, Aids Patient, Male Sexual Assault Survivor, Homeless Person, Schizophrenic, or ______________.

Youtube Video

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119 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:20:47pm

re: #111 Eventual Carrion

Slavery? Really?

Troll account, actual Teddy Cruz is @tedcruz.

Not that the sentiment is far off from mainstream GOP thought at this point. Party of freedom and personal responsibility my ass.

120 jaunte  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:20:49pm

New face of Julian Assange. Same as the old face.

121 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:21:08pm

re: #117 Justanotherhuman

Disarming the Berkut!

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Seems that the Putin patsy has awoken a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve.

122 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:21:10pm

re: #115 Charles Johnson

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I’d just like to tell @Wikileaks, “No shit, Sherlock.”

123 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:21:38pm

Interesting photo of a (now gone) statue of Lenin in Porbuské Street here in Ostrava. At the time, it was known as Fučikové Ulice; apparently the photo was taken in the late 1960’s to early 70’s.

This particular style was known sardonically to the Czechs as “Lenin hailing a taxi”.

124 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:22:14pm

re: #117 Justanotherhuman

Disarming the Berkut!

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Yanukovych may now be facing a big problem.

Open rebellion.

125 Weet  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:22:35pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

@HavanaTed is a parody account

Why, yes it is! And ‘Speaker Cruz’ is parody also.
;-)

126 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:22:52pm
127 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:24:22pm

Wikileaks is openly dedicated to stealing and releasing top secret government documents, and is deeply connected to the Russian FSB.

What a SHOCK that GCHQ and NSA might be watching what they do. How dare they!

The narcissism and entitlement of these people is mind-boggling. They actually seem to think governments should reward them for what they’re doing.

128 ericblair  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:25:04pm

re: #75 RadicalModerate

That isn’t entirely true. In cases where there is a static IP leased via an internet service provider, the name of the user of that address is entered into the Whois information, even if there is no domain name registered.

The owner of the static public routable IP address is published. However, you’ve probably got one static public address but way more than one network interface (usually there’s one or two per device) in your network. You’re actually running a private network that could have multiple people using it that looks like one interface to the outside world through Network Address Translation (NAT). The mapping between public addresses and internal private addresses (that you may have dozens of) is dynamic, only kept on your own router, and often not logged for any length of time.

Large organizations run private networks with NAT as well, so you could have hundreds or thousands of devices sharing a handful of public IP addresses.

129 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:25:52pm

This is going to create more resolve amongst Euromaidan protestors.

130 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:26:04pm

I keep forgetting that journalistic ethics is for those people.

131 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:27:15pm

re: #75 RadicalModerate

That isn’t entirely true. In cases where there is a static IP leased via an internet service provider, the name of the user of that address is entered into the Whois information, even if there is no domain name registered. I found this out the hard way a while back when I had a static IP address for ADSL service via my local telco. Doing a reverse lookup on the IP address assigned to me gave all of my contact info (including name, address and telephone #). Needless to say, I wasn’t particularly happy about this, but was told that it was standard procedure.

Laws may have changed since then, which I hope is truly the case especially when ipv6 gets a full rollout, because all of those addresses are going to be statically allocated.

Most people use a proxy service to mask their identity from a WHOIS lookup for this reason.

132 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:28:28pm

This is a father and son, BTW.

facebook.com

133 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:30:59pm

Greenwald answer, “we’re not collecting money for Wikileaks. Today.”

Today. Nope. Not today they’re not.

134 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:31:13pm

nbcnews.com

And we now have a man unloading a gun into a car of teens that had egged and essentially vandalized his car. And from the article it sounds like the teens did it as retaliation for something the man’s son did last Halloween, and he was waiting for them when they came back later that night about 1am.

135 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:32:59pm

re: #134 Feline Fearless Leader

nbcnews.com

And we now have a man unloading a gun into a car of teens that had egged and essentially vandalized his car. And from the article it sounds like the teens did it as retaliation for something the man’s son did last Halloween, and he was waiting for them when they came back later that night about 1am.

“Responsible gun ownership.”

136 b.d.  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:35:27pm

re: #127 Charles Johnson

The narcissism and entitlement of these people is mind-boggling. They actually seem to think governments should reward them for what they’re doing.

Some of them do!

137 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:35:44pm

re: #135 Targetpractice

“Responsible gun ownership.”

All the parties are Black. If he doesn’t get the chair, he’ll go to jail for the rest of his life. It’s Arkansas.

138 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:37:49pm
139 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:38:06pm
140 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:38:49pm

more misleading crybabyism from the wsj editorial page

Those who want to “tax the rich” to redistribute income to the poor and middle class usually propose to raise the marginal rates on incomes or the capital-gains rate, or both. Yet as Scott Hodge recently documented in these pages, it will not be easy to raise vast sums this way.

anything helps

The individual income tax accounts for slightly less than half of federal revenue and the top 1% already pays a substantial share of that total. Most of the wealth owned by the top 1%, and especially by the “super rich” in the top 0.1%, is also held in stocks, bonds and real estate that are not subject to income taxes until sold. It is a fool’s errand to try to raise the living standards of the bottom 60% through higher income taxes on the top 1% or 0.1%.

we’re not trying to “raise the living standards of the bottom 60% through higher income taxes on the top 1%”. we want to raise income taxes on the rich to help balance the federal budget

please remember that the next time this comes up thank you

The shift in incomes in favor of the wealthy has been due to several large forces, including a world-wide boom in asset prices, the rise of global markets, and technological innovation that has increased the earning power of the well educated. These have been positive—not negative—forces that have elevated living standards around the globe.

except for non-one-percent people. but we weren’t talking about them, i guess…

At a time of slow economic growth, mounting government debt, a stalemated politics and the impending retirement of the “baby boomers,” the attacks on the “one percent” look more and more like a diversion from the nation’s real problems.

yes um i recall that we wanted to decrease government debt, partially due to massive borrowing under the bush administration and leading to the slow growth we see today, by raising the marginal rate

apparently you think solving the “real” problems is a diversion from solving those same problems

got it

141 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:39:34pm
142 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:39:45pm

There must be a lot of injured tonight.

Translation: “Go donate blood. Doctors in hospitals are calling to donate blood. Or tonight or in the morning.”

143 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:40:30pm

re: #139 FemNaziBitch

Michael Dunn Compares Himself to a Rape Victim - the Root

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I would like to kick that bastard in the teeth. Goddamnit.

145 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:41:23pm

146 simoom  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:41:36pm

re: #80 Gus

I’m a journalist. I mainly report on Mr. “X.” I also belong to an organization that’s financed by a media competitor and ally. I’m also a member of the board of said organization. We also raise funds for Mr. “X.”

The relationships and conflicts of interest are even more tangled than they used to be now that Snowden has joined the board as well. You have a fugitive on the board of an organization with the reporters who cover him the most, and that org funnels donations to another organization (which those reporters also cover heavily), and that second organization then expends its resources on assisting that very same fugitive board member.

nytimes.com

Accompanying Mr. Snowden on the Aeroflot airliner that carried him on Sunday from Hong Kong to Moscow — continuing a global cat-and-mouse chase that might have been borrowed from a Hollywood screenplay — was a British WikiLeaks activist, Sarah Harrison. The group’s founder, Julian Assange, who has been given refuge for the last year in Ecuador’s embassy in London, met last week with Ecuador’s foreign minister to support Mr. Snowden’s asylum request. And Baltasar Gárzon, the legal director of WikiLeaks and a former Spanish judge, is leading a volunteer legal team advising him on how to stay out of an American prison.

“Mr. Snowden requested our expertise and assistance,” Mr. Assange said in a telephone interview from London on Sunday night. “We’ve been involved in very similar legal and diplomatic and geopolitical struggles to preserve the organization and its ability to publish.”

By Mr. Assange’s account, the group helped obtain and deliver a special refugee travel document to Mr. Snowden in Hong Kong that, with his American passport revoked, may now be crucial in his bid to travel onward from Moscow.

wikileaks.org

Today, Thursday 1st August at 15:50 MSK, Edward Snowden was granted temporary asylum in Russia. He left Sheremetyevo airport in Moscow with WikiLeaks staffer and legal advisor Sarah Harrison who has accompanied him during his 39 day stay in the transit zone and continues to do so. Ms Harrison has remained with Mr Snowden at all times to protect his safety and security, including during his exit from Hong Kong. They departed from the airport together in a taxi and are headed to a secure, confidential place.

On 16th July Mr Snowden made a request for temporary asylum to Russia. Despite the ongoing pressure from the United States, which has been trying to interfere with this sovereign process in violation of the UN Protocol on the Rights of Refugees, Russia has done the right thing and granted Mr Snowden temporary asylum. The certificate of temporary asylum by the Russian Federation lasts for one year and affords Mr Snowden the right to live in and travel around Russia, where he can now plan his next steps in safety. On receiving his asylum certificate Mr Snowden said: “Over the past eight weeks we have seen the Obama administration show no respect for international or domestic law, but in the end the law is winning. I thank the Russian Federation for granting me asylum in accordance with its laws and international obligations.”

WikiLeaks, whilst being a publishing organisation, also fights for the rights and protections of journalistic sources, and so has taken a leading role in assisting Mr Snowden secure his safety. Mr Snowden, an American citizen, was forced to flee his country to enable him to safely reveal to the public the crimes of his government. President Barack Obama while elected on a platform promising to protect whistleblowers, has now prosecuted more national security whistleblowers than all other presidents in United States history combined. This bellicose response from the US administration makes it clear that Snowden could not receive a fair trial. Assange said “This is another victory in the fight against Obama’s war on whistleblowers. This battle has been won, but the war continues. The United States can no longer continue the surveillance of world citizens and its digital colonization of sovereign nations. The public will no longer stand for it. Whistleblowers will continue to appear until the government abides by its own laws and rhetoric.”

WikiLeaks commends Russia for accepting Snowden’s request and supporting him when many countries felt so compromised by US threats that they could not. Throughout Snowden’s stay in the airport it has been heartening to see citizens of the United States, of Russia and the world supporting Mr Snowden. WikiLeaks would also like to extend their gratitude to the airport staff who have assisted in making the extended stay of Mr Snowden and Ms Harrison as comfortable and secure as possible, despite the difficult conditions.

Mr Snowden and Ms Harrison have been staying in the airport for almost six weeks, having landed on an Aeroflot flight from Hong Kong on the 23rd June. They had been booked on a connecting flight the following day. Mr Snowden intended to request asylum in Latin America. However, after Mr Snowden’s departure was made public, the United States government canceled his passport, which rendered onward travel impossible.

From within the transit zone of the airport, Mr Snowden and Ms Harrison spent a number of weeks prior to his Russian application assessing the options available to him to ensure his future safety. Without a passport and no immediate offers of the necessary safe passage, travel was impossible.

thelede.blogs.nytimes.com

Mr. Assange, who has resided in the Ecuadorean Embassy in London for a year because of his fugitive status, said his group had arranged for Mr. Snowden to travel via a “special refugee travel document” issued by Ecuador last Monday — days before the United States announced the criminal charges against him and revoked his passport. Mr. Assange said he believed that Ecuador was still considering Mr. Snowden’s asylum application.

“He left Hong Kong with that document,” Mr. Assange said.

Mr. Assange told Mr. Shane that he had raised Mr. Snowden’s case with Ecuador’s foreign minister in a meeting at the embassy last Monday.

Mr. Assange said it was unclear whether Mr. Snowden’s passport was revoked before he left Hong Kong. But, he said, Mr. Snowden was informed of the revocation when he landed in Moscow. He said it was uncertain whether and where Mr. Snowden might be able to travel from Moscow using the Ecuadorean document, which he described as a “safe pass.”

thelede.blogs.nytimes.com

An official in Ecuador told The Associated Press on Thursday that a special travel document provided to Edward Snowden to help him travel from Hong Kong after his American passport was revoked is genuine but not valid, since it was issued by someone without the authority to do so.

The document, called a “safepass,” is essentially a sheet of standard office paper, which says that it was issued on Saturday in London, where the WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, who has said he assisted Mr. Snowden, has been living in Ecuador’s embassy for more than a year.

147 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:43:43pm
The jury in the Dunn case failed to convict him on the first-degree-murder charge for Jordan’s death, which signals our society’s deep ambivalence about both the value of black life and about holding white men accountable for their murderous rage. Unless we deal with the underlying crisis in white masculinity, we should expect similar tragedies in the future.

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and I think I done reading my mail for the day.

148 Mattand  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:44:05pm

re: #38 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Hey, chief! Glad to hear from you. Get well.

149 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:44:24pm

re: #146 simoom

The relationships and conflicts of interest are even more tangled than they used to be now that Snowden has joined the board as well. You have a fugitive on the board of an organization with the reporters who cover him the most, and that org funnels donations to another organization (which those reporters also cover heavily), and that second organization then expends its resources on assisting that very same fugitive board member.

nytimes.com

wikileaks.org

thelede.blogs.nytimes.com

thelede.blogs.nytimes.com

It’s like a freaking syndicate.

150 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:44:58pm

Obdicut:

Glad to see you, and hope that your condition improves!

151 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:45:34pm

re: #149 Gus

It’s like a freaking syndicate.

ftfy

152 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:46:21pm

I see NPR and PBS has finally become a soccer ball for both the wingnuts and the moonbats. Didn’t see the latter coming.

153 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:46:41pm

re: #146 simoom

The relationships and conflicts of interest are even more bizarre than they used to be now that Snowden has joined the board as well. You have a fugitive on the board of an organization with the reporters who cover him the most, and that org funnels donations to another organization (which those reporters also cover heavily), and that second organization then expends its resources on assisting that very same fugitive board member.

nytimes.com

wikileaks.org

thelede.blogs.nytimes.com

thelede.blogs.nytimes.com

Seems pretty obvious that it was Assange who created that “safepass” and emailed it to Harrison.

154 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:46:42pm
155 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:47:25pm

re: #149 Gus

I’d go with anarcho-syndicate. Their color scheme at The Intercept lends itself to those that normally associate with anarcho-syndicalism (black/red).

156 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:49:18pm
157 Mattand  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:50:59pm

Couple of observations about the main post:

1) Probably more of a rhetorical question, but why does no one in the media pick up on the fact that Greenwald habitually buries stuff 20 paragraphs in that undercut the thesis of his own articles?

2) In addition to effing up the definition of an IP address, isn’t Greenwald the tech genius who said he was protecting his material with a 4 million character encryption, or something stupid like that?

Part of me really does want to see the value in what Greenwald and Snowden are purporting to do, but all it ever does is portray them as bumbling paranoid egomaniacs.

158 b.d.  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:54:45pm

While in High School I had a fake IP that I used to use to buy beer with.

//

159 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:54:53pm
160 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:55:43pm

World headlines on events in Kiev today.

watcher.com.ua

161 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:56:36pm

re: #75 RadicalModerate

That isn’t entirely true. In cases where there is a static IP leased via an internet service provider, the name of the user of that address is entered into the Whois information, even if there is no domain name registered. I found this out the hard way a while back when I had a static IP address for ADSL service via my local telco. Doing a reverse lookup on the IP address assigned to me gave all of my contact info (including name, address and telephone #). Needless to say, I wasn’t particularly happy about this, but was told that it was standard procedure.

Laws may have changed since then, which I hope is truly the case especially when ipv6 gets a full rollout, because all of those addresses are going to be statically allocated.

By the way, I used to have DSL here in LA years ago, and this was definitely not the practice then, even though I did have a static IP. A Whois lookup showed the owner as the ISP.

I think this is something rather unique to your provider at the time. I’ve done tons of whois lookups over the years and I’ve never seen an individual’s private info unless it was connected to a website and they didn’t use a proxy service. But never for someone just using a DSL connection.

162 simoom  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:58:00pm

re: #149 Gus

FPF board members Poitras & Greenwald:

smh.com.au

Julian Assange has accused Oscar-winning director Alex Gibney of losing objectivity and perspective in making a new film on WikiLeaks.

Mr Assange refused to be interviewed for the documentary. Instead, WikiLeaks has co-operated with a film by Oscar-nominated Laura Poitras, which is due out later this year.

nytimes.com

Their discussion turned to the question of coming back to the United States. Greenwald said, half-jokingly, that if he was arrested, WikiLeaks would become the new traffic cop for publishing N.S.A. documents. “I would just say: ‘O.K., let me introduce you to my friend Julian Assange, who’s going to take my place. Have fun dealing with him.’ “

Poitras prodded him: “So you’re going back to the States?”

He laughed and pointed out that unfortunately, the government does not always take the smartest course of action. “If they were smart,” he said, “I would do it.”

163 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:58:30pm

BBL and Obdi, I hope you are feeling much better very soon.

164 Weet  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:59:13pm

re: #140 dog philosopher

The shift in incomes in favor of the wealthy has been due to several large forces, including a world-wide boom in asset prices, the rise of global markets, and technological innovation that has increased the earning power of the well educated. These have been positive—not negative—forces that have elevated living standards around the globe.

Ah, no. The “shift in incomes in favor of the wealthy” has been mostly caused by lowering the capital gains tax rate. Studies have been done.

‘Eliminating the preferential treatment for investment income over ordinary income wouldn’t just add an estimated $71 billion to the U.S. Treasury in 2014 alone. It would also put the brakes on the single greatest driver behind America’s record income inequality.’

Image: wealthtax-graphicstory.jpg

Think Progress Recap
Economic Policy Institute Study
Washington Post

Thank you for posting this, Dog Philosopher. Important to keep up with the smoke and mirrors campaign.

165 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 1:59:55pm

Meanwhile, in addition to Ukraine & Venezuela, there’s also:

4 Killed, Including a Police Officer, as Thai Police Move In on Protests

Bombings in Syria Force Wave of Civilians to Flee

There’s also this hopelessly confusing mess:

The Syrian Opposition, Explained
By Reem Makhoul and Liam Stack February 7th, 2014

There are believed to be hundreds, if not thousands, of groups fighting in Syria. These opposition groups are fighting the Assad regime, but recently turned on each other with increased ferocity.

Video: nytimes.com

Libya is still uneasy also:
Celebrations, and Unease, in Libya on Anniversary of Uprising

And that’s just a quick skimming of the NY Times. No doubt there’s some kind of awful shit going on somewhere in Africa too. I wonder how many innocent people die violently or suffer horribly every day due to political upheaval while we sit here in comfort & security sniping at each other?

Or while assholes like GG pretend that they’re some sort of brave warriors as they likewise enjoy safety & luxuries that probably 9/10 of the world can only dream of.

How many children lost one or both parents today? How many people lost spouses or children, or maybe even their entire family? How many people were raped, tortured, beaten? How many lost limbs, were burned, blinded, or shot? Yet we hardly ever give them a second thought, do we?

We’re also the 1%, in our own way.

Ugh, sorry for being Debbie Downer, but this crap is clearly getting to me. Time to take a break, I guess.

166 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:00:07pm

re: #162 simoom

FPF board members Poitras & Greenwald:

smh.com.au

nytimes.com

All those sweetheart deals the dudebros make with each other. So sickeningly sweet it makes you want to heave.

What happens when they start to distrust each other in their paranoia?

167 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:02:07pm

re: #165 CuriousLurker

Meanwhile, in addition to Ukraine & Venezuela, there’s also:

4 Killed, Including a Police Officer, as Thai Police Move In on Protests

Bombings in Syria Force Wave of Civilians to Flee

There’s also this hopelessly confusing mess:

Libya is still uneasy also:
Celebrations, and Unease, in Libya on Anniversary of Uprising

And that’s just a quick skimming of the NY Times. No doubt there’s some kind of awful shit going on somewhere in Africa too. I wonder how many innocent people die violently or suffer horribly every day due to political upheaval while we sit here in comfort & security sniping at each other?

Or while assholes like GG pretend that they’re some sort of brave warriors as they likewise enjoy safety & luxuries that probably 9/10 of the world can only dream of.

How many children lost one or both parents today? How many people lost spouses or children, or maybe even their entire family? How many people were raped, tortured, beaten? How many lost limbs, were burned, blinded, or shot? Yet we hardly ever give them a second thought, do we?

We’re also the 1%, in our own way.

Ugh, sorry for being Debbie Downer, but this crap is clearly getting to me. Time to take a break, I guess.

That was spot-on, Curious.

168 jaunte  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:02:30pm
169 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:03:00pm
170 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:03:08pm

re: #165 CuriousLurker

Meanwhile, in addition to Ukraine & Venezuela, there’s also:

4 Killed, Including a Police Officer, as Thai Police Move In on Protests

Bombings in Syria Force Wave of Civilians to Flee

There’s also this hopelessly confusing mess:

Libya is still uneasy also:
Celebrations, and Unease, in Libya on Anniversary of Uprising

And that’s just a quick skimming of the NY Times. No doubt there’s some kind of awful shit going on somewhere in Africa too. I wonder how many innocent people die violently or suffer horribly every day due to political upheaval while we sit here in comfort & security sniping at each other?

Or while assholes like GG pretend that they’re some sort of brave warriors as they likewise enjoy safety & luxuries that probably 9/10 of the world can only dream of.

How many children lost one or both parents today? How many people lost spouses or children, or maybe even their entire family? How many people were raped, tortured, beaten? How many lost limbs, were burned, blinded, or shot? Yet we hardly ever give them a second thought, do we?

We’re also the 1%, in our own way.

Ugh, sorry for being Debbie Downer, but this crap is clearly getting to me. Time to take a break, I guess.

I heard that.

I haven’t posted much about all this unrest, because I just figure it’s everywhere, all over the media, and what can I add to it except to say wow, humans sure do suck sometimes.

171 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:04:46pm
172 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:05:07pm
173 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:05:09pm

re: #168 jaunte

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Holy shit.

facebook.com

174 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:05:27pm

re: #165 CuriousLurker

Ugh, sorry for being Debbie Downer, but this crap is clearly getting to me. Time to take a break, I guess.

Wait! Have a thoughtful squirrel!

175 jaunte  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:06:22pm

re: #173 Justanotherhuman

Yes, sorry, I should have added a warning.

176 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:06:47pm

(“have” = “haven’t”)

177 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:07:27pm

re: #174 wrenchwench

Ardilla meditando.

178 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:07:48pm

re: #171 Gus

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And answering the question of why isn’t Snowden in Cuba or Venezuela, GG replied in his horrible Portuguese:

“Venezuela already has, but not done anything to help him to travel - the Cuba was bullied the U.S.”

179 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:08:44pm
180 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:10:04pm

My nic no longer connects to my Pages. Temporary glitch or new paradigm?

181 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:11:27pm

re: #170 Charles Johnson

…wow, humans sure do suck sometimes.

QFT

re: #174 wrenchwench

Wait! Have a thoughtful squirrel!

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Thanks. That actually helps, believe it or not.* {{{ww}}}

*Gotta try to remember that there’s also much good in the world—not always easy to do.

182 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:11:54pm

APC Showered With Molotovs
Liveleak Video

183 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:16:58pm

re: #170 Charles Johnson

The world’s a messy place, and the scary thing is that we’re actually trending towards less violence worldwide than in past decades. Scary at that it used to be even more violent.

But it’s worrisome to see autocrats, oligarchs, and despots bitterly clinging to power at any costs. They’re still more than willing to slaughter as many as it takes to remain in power.

On the plus side, many more people are willing to stand up against those despots to give themselves a chance for representative government.

184 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:17:16pm

re: #180 wrenchwench

My nic no longer connects to my Pages. Temporary glitch or new paradigm?

Temporary glitch, now fixed.

185 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:18:19pm

will russia allow ukraine to be taken over by a pro-western administration or will it be like czechoslovakia 1968?

186 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:19:04pm

Yayy! Finally installed Adobe CS6.

Can’t afford the “Creative Cloud” subscription.

187 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:20:13pm

This may be more difficult than Yanukovych imagined.

188 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:21:32pm

re: #185 dog philosopher

will russia allow ukraine to be taken over by a pro-western administration or will it be like czechoslovakia 1968?

I’m thinking more Hungary 1956, as in Yanuk may decide in the next 24-48 hours that riot police aren’t cutting it and rolling in the tanks.

189 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:22:32pm

re: #188 Targetpractice

I’m thinking more Hungary 1956, as in Yanuk may decide in the next 24-48 hours that riot police aren’t cutting it and rolling in the tanks.

A distinct possibility. However, Yanuk may have to call on the Russians for “assistance” if the Ukrainian military refuses to follow orders.

190 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:23:16pm


Also,
Maxim Eristavi ‏@MaximEristavi 8m

The #Euromaidan HQ on Independence Sq is set on fire by riot-police

191 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:24:19pm

Testing, 1, 2.

192 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:24:26pm

re: #189 Dr Lizardo

A distinct possibility. However, Yanuk may have to call on the Russians for “assistance” if the Ukrainian military refuses to follow orders.

Either way, I imagine that the other shoe is soon to drop. With the Olympic Games soon to end, Putin will be under less pressure to keep his nose out of Ukrainian matters.

193 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:25:24pm
194 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:28:32pm

re: #192 Targetpractice

Either way, I imagine that the other shoe is soon to drop. With the Olympic Games soon to end, Putin will be under less pressure to keep his nose out of Ukrainian matters.

Yep.

This is one of the reasons the Syrian Civil War is in Russia’s interests. There was a proposed natural gas pipeline from Qatar across the KSA, up into Syria, then Turkey, and finally across to Europe.

Had this happened, it would have effectively ended Russia’s monopoly on natural gas to Europe, and put Russia in a really bad economic situation.

195 Kragar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:31:18pm
196 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:31:25pm
197 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:32:20pm
198 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:32:31pm

HURR HURRR!!!!!

199 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:35:23pm

re: #186 Pie-onist Overlord

Yayy! Finally installed Adobe CS6.

Can’t afford the “Creative Cloud” subscription.

I bought a used copy of CS2 and run it under wine. I doubt I’ll ever update it.

200 Amory Blaine  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:38:34pm

re: #197 Charles Johnson

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The plane I ride will probably stream toe fungus ads.

202 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:39:03pm

re: #189 Dr Lizardo

A distinct possibility. However, Yanuk may have to call on the Russians for “assistance” if the Ukrainian military refuses to follow orders.

As I said this morning, if the Army sides with the people, Putin will say “fuck the PR” and multiple divisions in Kiev by morning with more crossing the border. He will not allow an EU or, worse, NATO member on his border without a full scale war.

203 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:40:07pm

HURR HURRR!!!!

204 Amory Blaine  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:41:06pm

re: #203 Pie-onist Overlord


Is that last line a toast?

205 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:41:30pm

re: #195 Kragar

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It’s this guy.

206 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:42:03pm

re: #200 Amory Blaine

The plane I ride will probably stream toe fungus ads.

Have you noticed how they keep coming back? I block them when I see them, but they keep using different URLs and websites for their ads. Obviously I’m not the only one blocking them. Definitely the shittiest ad campaign running on Adsense right now.

207 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:47:57pm

This could be the beginning of a civil war.

208 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:48:23pm

You spend years working on a design and refining it and being picky about graphic elements, and along comes an advertiser who plops a huge reeking photo of a diseased toenail right in the middle of it.

209 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:48:27pm

re: #203 Pie-onist Overlord

And someone needs a grammar lesson.

To. Too. Two. Each has a proper usage.

Unless, of course, they meant to indicate that they are cheering the many greedy owners.

210 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:50:08pm

re: #207 Dr Lizardo

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This could be the beginning of a civil war.

yep

211 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:52:03pm
212 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:52:43pm

re: #211 Charles Johnson

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Why, hello there, little fella!

213 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:53:40pm

Gil Scott Heron was right, but not the way he thought he would be.

Youtube Video

The Revolution Will Not Be Televised

You will not be able to stay home, brother.
You will not be able to plug in, turn on and cop out.
You will not be able to lose yourself on skag and skip,
Skip out for beer during commercials,
Because the revolution will not be televised.

The revolution will not be televised.
The revolution will not be brought to you by Xerox
In 4 parts without commercial interruptions.
The revolution will not show you pictures of Nixon
blowing a bugle and leading a charge by John
Mitchell, General Abrams and Spiro Agnew to eat
hog maws confiscated from a Harlem sanctuary.
The revolution will not be televised.

The revolution will not be brought to you by the
Schaefer Award Theatre and will not star Natalie
Woods and Steve McQueen or Bullwinkle and Julia.
The revolution will not give your mouth sex appeal.
The revolution will not get rid of the nubs.
The revolution will not make you look five pounds
thinner, because the revolution will not be televised, Brother.

There will be no pictures of you and Willie May
pushing that shopping cart down the block on the dead run,
or trying to slide that color television into a stolen ambulance.
NBC will not be able predict the winner at 8:32
or report from 29 districts.
The revolution will not be televised.

There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down
brothers in the instant replay.
There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down
brothers in the instant replay.
There will be no pictures of Whitney Young being
run out of Harlem on a rail with a brand new process.
There will be no slow motion or still life of Roy
Wilkens strolling through Watts in a Red, Black and
Green liberation jumpsuit that he had been saving
For just the proper occasion.

Green Acres, The Beverly Hillbillies, and Hooterville
Junction will no longer be so damned relevant, and
women will not care if Dick finally gets down with
Jane on Search for Tomorrow because Black people
will be in the street looking for a brighter day.
The revolution will not be televised.

There will be no highlights on the eleven o’clock
news and no pictures of hairy armed women
liberationists and Jackie Onassis blowing her nose.
The theme song will not be written by Jim Webb,
Francis Scott Key, nor sung by Glen Campbell, Tom
Jones, Johnny Cash, Englebert Humperdink, or the Rare Earth.
The revolution will not be televised.

The revolution will not be right back after a message
bbout a white tornado, white lightning, or white people.
You will not have to worry about a dove in your
bedroom, a tiger in your tank, or the giant in your toilet bowl.
The revolution will not go better with Coke.
The revolution will not fight the germs that may cause bad breath.
The revolution will put you in the driver’s seat.

The revolution will not be televised, will not be televised,
will not be televised, will not be televised.
The revolution will be no re-run brothers;
The revolution will be live.

I’m sure Gil knew about Youtube before he died, but it didn’t exist when he wrote that.

Astonishing that we can watch what’s going on, live.

214 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:54:40pm

re: #211 Charles Johnson

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I raise you with an lolwut lemur!

215 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:56:33pm
216 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:57:12pm

re: #209 lawhawk

And someone needs a grammar lesson.

To. Too. Two. Each has a proper usage.

Unless, of course, they meant to indicate that they are cheering the many greedy owners.

I think they are cheering the greedy ones.

217 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:57:32pm
218 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:59:28pm

re: #182 Killgore Trout

APC Showered With Molotovs
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Looked like the police were ‘advancing to the rear’ at the end there.

Oh, and protestors? Next time add powdered laundry detergent or soap flake to the gasoline in your cocktails.

219 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 2:59:45pm

re: #158 b.d.

While in High School I had a fake IP that I used to use to buy beer with.

//

And some port? I ask for 81 but they always steer me to a different one.

220 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:01:35pm

Translation: In Ternopil (Ukraine) the military is reported to have gone over to Euromaidan.

Interesting if true.

221 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:02:14pm

re: #214 Backwoods_Sleuth

Here ya go.

222 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:02:38pm

re: #218 Romantic Heretic

Looked like the police were ‘advancing to the rear’ at the end there.

Oh, and protestors? Next time add powdered laundry detergent or soap flake to the gasoline in your cocktails.

Little styrofoam balls work really good as well. They soak up the gasoline and make a semi-solid. For fun, add a little magnesium.

223 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:03:01pm

re: #221 wrenchwench

Here ya go.

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perfecto!

224 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:03:03pm
225 jaunte  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:03:07pm

re: #220 Dr Lizardo

226 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:03:33pm

They are going to have to wait until next week. The Olympics end this weekend.

227 Amory Blaine  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:04:03pm

WTF is going on with Huffpo’s obnoxious article refresh?

228 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:05:20pm

re: #224 Charles Johnson

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One of Omidyar’s geniuses?

229 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:06:45pm
230 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:08:14pm

re: #220 Dr Lizardo

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Translation: In Ternopil (Ukraine) the military is reported to have gone over to Euromaidan.

Interesting if true.

If true, then Yanuk’s gonna have to hope that Putin can get the tanks rolling soon, before his own tanks up on his front doorstep.

231 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:08:25pm

very cool…

232 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:09:05pm

re: #207 Dr Lizardo

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This could be the beginning of a civil war.

Beginning? Already in progress.

233 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:10:22pm

re: #230 Targetpractice

If true, then Yanuk’s gonna have to hope that Putin can get the tanks rolling soon, before his own tanks up on his front doorstep.

Heh. Yeah, I’m pretty sure Yanuk is well aware of the fate of Nicolae Ceauceascu. Hell, he’s probably watching the YouTube vid of Nicolae’s rather abrupt demise at the hands of an improvised firing squad, thinking to himself, “Oh, shit.”

234 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:10:24pm

re: #229 NJDhockeyfan

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They are so behind.

235 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:12:33pm

re: #218 Romantic Heretic

Looked like the police were ‘advancing to the rear’ at the end there.

Oh, and protestors? Next time add powdered laundry detergent or soap flake to the gasoline in your cocktails.

So you remember Budapest?

236 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:12:45pm

Here’s some interesting info on Yanuk’s assets, as well as those of his family and close allies.

yanukovich.info

I’d say, seize ‘em or freeze ‘em. ASAP.

237 krypto  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:14:20pm

The power point presentation slides again? Is that the same powerpoint that Snowden was using initially?

If so, since the Greenwald strategy seems to be to keep himself and his bogus claims in the news by releasing one highly spun tidbit at a time, maybe NSA should just send someone out on a speaking tour for reporters to present the whole collection of slides in one shot, with the real explanations, and leave Greenwald with nothing more to milk out of it.

238 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:15:44pm
239 William of Orange  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:16:03pm

Nasty scene from Thailand !!

A hand grenade is thrown at the police, one officer sees it and lowers his armor to kick it away….

….too late.

(Pretty graphic actually. Be advised.)

240 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:19:32pm

re: #38 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I really don’t like talking about medical stuff.

Sorry for my absence. Basically, that knock to the head I took has had longer-lasting repurcussions, and at the moment we’re not exactly sure why. The good news is my intracranial pressure is fine. The bad news is I’m getting cluster migraines that are making it a challenge to get through a lot of days. My sense of time is also screwed up right now; I seriously meant to post this like a week ago. I’m also super-depressed, which may be a physical side effect of the whack to the head or it might, y’know, be because of all the pain and stuff. Either way, it makes it weirdly harder to talk to friends than to strangers. The good output of that is I’m still able to get along in my schoolwork well enough.

Anyway. No promises on how much I’ll be around. Wish I could say I’m just okay, but it’s not the case, but nobody thinks I’m in any immediate danger of croaking, but nobody really knows why I’m getting constant headaches, either. We’ll see.

Oh and another piece of good news—my school-provided ACA-compliant insurance isn’t fighting any of the bills even though this was from something that happened out of state. Thanks Obama, I think.

Just logged in to see this. Good wishes for a full recovery Obdi. Do take care and I hope to see you posting a lot again…a sign that you’re fine.

241 bratwurst  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:19:39pm

I hope this is not real…

242 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:21:56pm
243 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:22:27pm

re: #241 bratwurst

I hope this is not real…

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My, how generous of them.

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244 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:22:43pm

re: #242 Dr Lizardo

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Seriously?

245 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:24:10pm

re: #242 Dr Lizardo

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That happened 3 wks ago. He then went to Austria, where his money was and where he and his family now reside.

246 Kragar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:27:09pm

re: #241 bratwurst

I hope this is not real…

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The Chevron Guarantee: Our well won’t explode…or your pizza is free!

247 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:29:25pm

re: #244 Targetpractice

Seriously?

Yanukovych, the president of Ukraine, holds all the power. Well, as much as Putin will allow him.

nytimes.com

248 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:32:01pm

re: #245 Justanotherhuman

That happened 3 wks ago. He then went to Austria, where his money was and where he and his family now reside.

Ah you’re right. I’d forgotten about that.

249 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:33:28pm

Heh….this give me a grim chuckle.

250 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:34:58pm

Holy shit.

251 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:37:27pm
252 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:37:43pm

re: #224 Charles Johnson

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Back in the old days of VI vs EMACS, my usual line was that VI was only good for editing the EMACS makefile. Ah, memories … ;)

253 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:38:11pm
254 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:39:43pm

Translation: The police chief of Ivano-Frankivsk has resigned.

255 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:40:23pm
256 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:41:01pm

The dudebro experience. Always a treat.

257 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:41:12pm

re: #253 Charles Johnson

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The responses are increasingly cogent on point brief.

258 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:42:04pm

re: #233 Dr Lizardo

Heh. Yeah, I’m pretty sure Yanuk is well aware of the fate of Nicolae Ceauceascu. Hell, he’s probably watching the YouTube vid of Nicolae’s rather abrupt demise at the hands of an improvised firing squad, thinking to himself, “Oh, shit.”

I almost said, so is Putin. But I think he’s more likely to remember Beria instead… there is no such thing as “Ex-KGB”…

259 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:43:07pm
260 jaunte  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:43:17pm
261 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:44:25pm

re: #258 William Barnett-Lewis

I almost said, so is Putin. But I think he’s more likely to remember Beria instead… there is no such thing as “Ex-KGB”…

Heh….from what I’ve read, Beria’s arrest was the stuff of legend. They had to surround NKVD HQ with Interior Ministry soldiers, from what I recall reading.

Must’ve been something to see, that’s for sure.

262 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:45:03pm
263 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:46:04pm

heh…it’s OK, it’s Florida…

264 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:48:50pm

so you’re saying euromaidan is not just iron maiden on the other side of the channel?

265 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:50:53pm

I swear, these people all go to the same School for Smug Assholes.

266 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:50:58pm

re: #264 dog philosopher

so you’re saying euromaidan is not just iron maiden on the other side of the channel?

LOLOL.

There is the “Iron Maidens”, however.

Youtube Video

267 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:51:21pm
268 jaunte  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:51:28pm

“Bulk suspicionless spying”

How does that work exactly?

269 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:51:44pm
270 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:51:46pm

“Mashed-up bag of meat with lipstick on it.” That’s good! I have to remember that.
HURR HURR!!!! WHENEVER A LIBRUL SAYS SOMETHING MEAN TO A RIGHT-WING PUNDETTE IT TEH WAR ON WIMMENS!!!!1!!!!!!!

271 Ryan King  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:52:41pm

re: #268 jaunte

“Bulk suspicionless spying”

How does that work exactly?

Shaddap you NSA Apologist Obama Lover.

272 jaunte  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:53:46pm

Not sure if suspicionless is even a word.

273 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:54:47pm

re: #271 Ryan King

Shaddap you NSA Apologist Obama Lover.

You forgot ‘drooling sycophant’ and ‘Croc-wearing something or other.’

274 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:54:54pm

275 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:56:19pm

re: #265 Charles Johnson

I swear, these people all go to the same School for Smug Assholes.

Recent graduate.

276 jaunte  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:56:37pm
277 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:57:04pm

HURR HURRRR!!!! TEH JUICE IS TEH NAZIS!!!!! TEH JUICE IS TEH ANTI-SEMITES!!!!!!! CALLING SOMEBODY ANTI-SEMITES WHO CREATES ARTWORKS OF TEH BLOOD DRINKING JUICE IS WORSER THEN TEH HOLOCAUSTING!!!!!!!!

278 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:58:02pm

re: #276 jaunte

If you didn’t already know that Hot Pockets were filled with 38 year old raccoon meat, that’s on you

i swear yer honor the raccoon told me it was over 18

279 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:58:58pm


Dunning-Krugerrands, that’s goooood.

280 jaunte  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:59:00pm

“WL was an example use-case.”

Please, go on.

281 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:59:20pm

And now, a brief sanity break brought to you by The Carpenters and Shonen Knife.

Youtube Video

282 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 3:59:20pm

Max is taking a break.


Christopher Miller ‏@ChristopherJM 6m

Some protesters forced to jump from several floors up in Trade Unions bldg to safety. Protesters caught them using tents.

283 Ryan King  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:00:01pm

re: #274 Gus

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I’m sure Sirota is all over that conflict of interest.

284 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:00:36pm

re: #279 wrenchwench

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Dunning-Krugerrands, that’s goooood.

Did I mention I thought that was a bubble for Bitcoins? : )

285 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:01:00pm

re: #283 Ryan King

I’m sure Sirota is all over that conflict of interest.

286 Ryan King  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:01:08pm

Libertarianism = I am me, hear me roar

287 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:01:45pm

re: #270 Pie-onist Overlord

“Mashed-up bag of meat with lipstick on it.” That’s good! I have to remember that.
HURR HURR!!!! WHENEVER A LIBRUL SAYS SOMETHING MEAN TO A RIGHT-WING PUNDETTE IT TEH WAR ON WIMMENS!!!!1!!!!!!!

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Only a misogynist could come up with something like that.
Oy.

288 Ryan King  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:03:50pm

re: #285 Gus

Weasel words; fairly disclosed.

Also a little… weaselly:

An avid GNU/Linux user, he has been writing code in a variety of languages for a variety of platforms for over a decade.

I find it hard to believe that an ‘avid GNU/Linux user’ that writes code for a variety of languages doesn’t specifically know how IP addresses work.

289 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:04:33pm

re: #274 Gus

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Heh, I just did a search for Freedom of the Press Foundation and my anti-virus is questioning their site. I see the link carries the “https” security site address, so maybe that’s it.

Guess since I am not the press, I’m not free to go there.

/

290 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:05:10pm

And one of my all-time favorite videos. Back in the day when you could actually find music videos on MTV.

Youtube Video

291 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:06:36pm

re: #288 Ryan King

Weasel words; fairly disclosed.

Also a little… weaselly:

I find it hard to believe that an ‘avid GNU/Linux user’ that writes code for a variety of languages doesn’t specifically know how IP addresses work.

A SERIES OF TUBES.

292 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:06:37pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

By the way, I used to have DSL here in LA years ago, and this was definitely not the practice then, even though I did have a static IP. A Whois lookup showed the owner as the ISP.

I think this is something rather unique to your provider at the time. I’ve done tons of whois lookups over the years and I’ve never seen an individual’s private info unless it was connected to a website and they didn’t use a proxy service. But never for someone just using a DSL connection.

A leased static public IP would require registration with a name phone, etc. If it was just an IP in the carrier’s subnet that they had NAT’ed to rest of world it’s one thing, if it’s a full internet routable public IP, that’s another thing.

293 darthstar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:06:40pm

Team Building day at the office…we went to some off-site facility where we played pool, ping pong, air hockey, and did some team games (hoola-hoop passing down the line, etc.)…normal team building shit. But the key to any good team building exercise is a hosted open bar. They got that part right.

294 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:07:07pm

Freedom of the Press Foundation uses Piwik.

295 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:07:15pm

re: #288 Ryan King

Weasel words; fairly disclosed.

Also a little… weaselly:

I find it hard to believe that an ‘avid GNU/Linux user’ that writes code for a variety of languages doesn’t specifically know how IP addresses work.

To be fair, Micah Lee didn’t write the article. He’s just trying to defend it.

296 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:09:38pm

re: #288 Ryan King

writing code in a variety of languages

one at a time please

297 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:11:07pm

And again, trying to blur the line between the ability to do something and actually doing it…

298 Ryan King  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:11:11pm

re: #291 Varek Raith

A SERIES OF TUBES.

LIGHT PIPES!

299 Ryan King  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:12:37pm

re: #295 Charles Johnson

To be fair, Micah Lee didn’t write the article. He’s just trying to defend it.

Duly noted, but still. He’s defending an article that doesn’t understand technical issues relating to IP addresses.

That’s why the original writer sucked him in.

300 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:14:03pm

O’Reilly: America is ‘ignorant’ because of public schools, Internet. Not from watching Fox
Sorry Bill, I learned about tides in a public school.
You can’t explain that!

301 Kragar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:15:35pm

re: #297 Charles Johnson

And again, trying to blur the line between the ability to do something and actually doing it…

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I have the capability to smack every human being on Earth.

There is no evidence that I have though.

302 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:16:12pm


Just awful.

303 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:18:20pm

Jim Gaffigan - Beyond the Pale - Hot Pockets

Youtube Video

304 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:18:57pm

re: #198 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURRR!!!!!

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Because nothing shows how much you support African Americans like linking to a piece of propaganda that refers to them as “negros” above a charicture drawing….

305 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:20:25pm

re: #304 jamesfirecat

Because nothing shows how much you support African Americans like linking to a piece of propaganda that refers to them as “negros” above a charicture drawing….

Wingnut was butthurt when I asked why he idolizes Jefferson, a slave owner, as a timeless icon of perfection.

306 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:22:54pm

Maybe someone should send Micah Lee this little lesson about IPs.

Hey, even a simpleton/non-techie like me understood it.

whatismyipaddress.com

307 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:22:56pm

re: #302 Justanotherhuman

308 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:24:21pm

re: #307 Dr Lizardo

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Well, it’s on. He’s just waiting on Putin to send troops. Yanuk has a lot to lose when he’s defeated. Fucking thief.

309 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:25:26pm
310 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:26:24pm

re: #308 Justanotherhuman

Well, it’s on. He’s just waiting on Putin to send troops. Yanuk has a lot to lose when he’s defeated. Fucking thief.

Yep….it’s on.

Now if the EU and the US act quick, they can freeze or seize Yanuk’s assets, along with his family and allies’ assets as well.

Hit the SOB where it hurts….in his pocketbook. Let him go crying to Pootie-Poot that he’s now a broke-ass mofo.

311 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:26:49pm

re: #307 Dr Lizardo

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Also, this:

312 klys  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:26:54pm

re: #224 Charles Johnson

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VI STAB IT WITH FIRE STAB STAB.

313 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:27:54pm

re: #311 Justanotherhuman

Also, this:

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If this is true, then hell yeah, it’s on.

314 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:31:04pm

re: #313 Dr Lizardo

If this is true, then hell yeah, >it’s on.

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Don’t trust anything from RT.

315 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:32:53pm

re: #314 wrenchwench

Don’t trust anything from RT.

I know….that’s why I put “if” in there. RT is notorious.

316 Interesting Times  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:33:32pm

re: #69 CuriousLurker

Egad, I had no idea you’d been injured! Would you remind repeating what happened for those of us who don’t know?

CL are you still around? I’ve been trying to DM you on Twitter but it keeps spitting out errors about how the message couldn’t be sent.

317 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:33:43pm
318 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:37:59pm

re: #316 Interesting Times

CL are you still around? I’ve been trying to DM you on Twitter but it keeps spitting out errors about how the message couldn’t be sent.

Good timing—I just closed another tab and came back to the Spy.

Yeah, I don’t know why the Twitter DM stuff has gotten so picky lately. It also refuses many (most) links. Really annoying. Email me if you want. I don’t have my personal email accounts open right now, but I’ll check them if you want to send me something.

319 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:40:14pm

This is why the cops are trying to keep people out of Independence Sq and intimidating/shooting people.

320 RadicalModerate  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:40:23pm

re: #297 Charles Johnson

And again, trying to blur the line between the ability to do something and actually doing it…

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What are DHCP, LTE, WiMax and why do they use these things called subnets?

321 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:41:48pm

Attn. Paulians: if Americans get this pissed off IT WILL NOT BE A GOOD THING FOR YOU.

322 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:42:58pm

re: #320 RadicalModerate

What are DHCP, LTE, WiMax and why do they use these things called subnets?

that’s if the main hairnet isn’t big enough to hold in all your hair

323 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:43:36pm

re: #320 RadicalModerate

What are DHCP, LTE, WiMax and why do they use these things called subnets?

Why to capture submarines, silly.

324 Interesting Times  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:45:06pm

re: #318 CuriousLurker

Yeah, I don’t know why the Twitter DM stuff has gotten so picky lately. It also refuses many (most) links.

That would explain it, then - I was trying to send you a link to an earlier comment here (probably some anti-spam measure on Twitter’s part which they hopelessly buggered up). Anyway, I sent it via email (wow, that feels so quaint in the social media age…)

325 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:45:47pm

Again, these are unconfirmed reports, but it could make the situation in Ukraine far more uncertain.

326 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:50:45pm

re: #324 Interesting Times

That would explain it, then - I was trying to send you a link to an earlier comment here (probably some anti-spam measure on Twitter’s part which they hopelessly buggered up). Anyway, I sent it via email (wow, that feels so quaint in the social media age…)

LOL, I know, right? “Email—are you freaking kidding me? That’s so slow & old fashioned. It’ll take take like 15 seconds longer!!”

327 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:50:49pm
328 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:51:22pm

Looks at what people are wearing on Daily Mail. This stuff around today is almost as bad as the 70s.

329 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:52:00pm
330 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:52:39pm

re: #324 Interesting Times

Anyway, I sent it via email (wow, that feels so quaint in the social media age…)

trying to remember the last time i wrote a personal letter to someone on a piece of paper and sent it through the mail…

…failing…

331 b.d.  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:53:24pm

re: #327 Charles Johnson

?

A UK statement on Pillow Lips is coming?

332 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:54:07pm

re: #327 Charles Johnson

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Charles, is Miranda about to be served a warrant by Interpol or something?

333 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:54:41pm

re: #327 Charles Johnson

Formally declaring my partner was engaged in terrorist-like activities is not going to sit will with me at all if it happens

Oh, they scared now.

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334 Internet Tough Guy  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:54:54pm

re: #327 Charles Johnson

You know what doesn’t sit well with me? People who use their partners as mules while they sit at home all nice and cozy.

335 Lidane  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:54:56pm
336 b.d.  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:55:43pm

re: #333 makeitstop

Oh, they scared now.

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Glenn as the James Bond villain emerges once again….

I thought he already vowed to bring down the UK?

337 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:56:27pm

re: #335 Lidane

Bryan Fischer predicts the FCC will start yanking the broadcasting licenses from people like him for being anti-gay

Wait, I thought his show was web-based?

338 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:57:50pm

re: #336 b.d.

Glenn as the James Bond villain emerges once again….

I’d bet intelligence officials all over the world have a hearty laugh whenever GG makes his little threats.

339 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:59:32pm

Here’s the original tweeter:


Have no idea about this one.

But Duncan Campbell is one of the UK dudebros, from what I can tell.

340 Kragar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:00:25pm

I believe Micah Lee has the capability to be a pig fucker.

341 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:00:46pm

342 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:01:39pm

In my ideal cast for The Snowden Movie:

Snowden: Elijah Wood (because he hasn’t had a decent movie role since LOTR)

Greenwald: John Cusack

Miranda???

Poitras???

343 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:03:31pm

Bryan Fischer predicts

i’d love to see a master list of bryan fischer predictions

344 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:05:42pm

re: #314 wrenchwench

Don’t trust anything from RT.

345 b.d.  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:06:06pm

re: #342 Pie-onist Overlord

In my ideal cast for The Snowden Movie:

Snowden: Elijah Wood (because he hasn’t had a decent movie role since LOTR)

Greenwald: John Cusack

Miranda???

Poitras???

Gilbert Gottfried should play Greenwald
Rosie O’Donnell as Poitras
Snowden: Justin Bieber
Miranda: Wilmer Valderrama

346 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:09:16pm

re: #344 NJDhockeyfan

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This is an interesting Tweet:

347 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:09:41pm
348 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:10:17pm

re: #347 Gus

John Cusack already auditioning for the role of Greenwald.

349 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:10:29pm
350 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:10:46pm
351 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:10:48pm

re: #345 b.d.

Gilbert Gottfried should play Greenwald
Rosie O’Donnell as Poitras
Snowden: Justin Bieber
Miranda: Wilmer Valderrama

Cmon, Pee Wee Herman would be better than Gilbert Gottfried.

352 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:10:48pm

re: #339 Justanotherhuman

Here’s the original tweeter:

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Have no idea about this one.

But Duncan Campbell is one of the UK dudebros, from what I can tell.

Sarah K:

The arrest and detention of David Miranda: information as terrorism

Scroll down a bit. Or don’t, it’s all the same dudebroism.

353 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:12:01pm

re: #346 Dr Lizardo

This is an interesting Tweet:

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The government is falling apart. I’m curious to see what is left by end of the weekend. Putin must be shitting his pants right now.

354 b.d.  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:13:33pm

re: #349 Gus

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firedoglake, those guys are still around?

355 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:14:32pm

re: #353 NJDhockeyfan

The government is falling apart. I’m curious to see what is left by end of the weekend. Putin must be shitting his pants right now.

Heh……perhaps rats fleeing the sinking ship (of state).

356 b.d.  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:15:34pm

re: #351 Pie-onist Overlord

Cmon, Pee Wee Herman would be better than Gilbert Gottfried.

Pee Wee can be Glenn if we can cast a talking chair as Miranda.

357 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:16:48pm

re: #330 dog philosopher

trying to remember the last time i wrote a personal letter to someone on a piece of paper and sent it through the mail…

…failing…

Year before last I got into fountain & dip pens and it was quite the experience—no undo or no cut & paste, you actually have to slow down and think about what you want to write. Very different from even ballpoint pens… you become hyper-aware of the paper quality & texture and the ink’s properties (they’re all a bit different).

Then with the flex nibs you have to not only just write carefully, but control how much pressure you’re putting on the nib and how you move your arm to change the thickness of the line. With the dip pens it’s even more nit-picky because you have to keep re-dipping. It’s so different, so much more… I dunno, personal, demanding (of one’s time & attention). The results can be fantastic though—the lines have such a unique character.

I was thinking about all that earlier today when I was working on my most recent page (shameless plug) and looking at scan of the U.S. Constitution. The penmanship was just incredible.

358 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:18:30pm

re: #346 Dr Lizardo

This is an interesting Tweet:

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Was the plane flying a white flag?

359 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:20:02pm

re: #352 wrenchwench

Sarah K:

Scroll down a bit. Or don’t, it’s all the same dudebroism.

Yeah, I figured as much since she calls herself an “Irish Sandanista”.

360 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:20:38pm
361 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:20:53pm
362 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:21:15pm
363 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:22:33pm

re: #358 Justanotherhuman

Was the plane flying a white flag?

lol

364 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:22:34pm

re: #357 CuriousLurker

Year before last I got into fountain & dip pens and it was quite the experience—no undo or no cut & paste, you actually have to slow down and think about what you want to write. Very different from even ballpoint pens… you become hyper-aware of the paper quality & texture and the ink’s properties (they’re all a bit different).

Then with the flex nibs you have to not only just write carefully, but control how much pressure you’re putting on the nib and how you move your arm to change the thickness of the line. With the dip pens it’s even more nit-picky because you have to keep re-dipping. It’s so different, so much more… I dunno, personal, demanding (of one’s time & attention). The results can be fantastic though—the lines have such a unique character.

I was thinking about all that earlier today when I was working on my most recent page (shameless plug) and looking at scan of the U.S. Constitution. The penmanship was just incredible.

I didn’t give up pen and ink until the 80s. : ) My 2 maternal aunts had beautiful penmanship and they only got through HS. We were still using pen and ink in elementary in the ’50s.

365 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:23:51pm

re: #361 NJDhockeyfan

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They’ll be lucky they’re not strung up. Being Russians and all.

366 b.d.  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:25:06pm

re: #360 Gus

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Nothing screams government 1st Amendment oppression like going on Russia Today at their Washington DC studio.

367 Bear  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:25:41pm

re: #364 Justanotherhuman

Pen and ink for a left hand writer was a big MESS.

368 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:26:11pm

re: #364 Justanotherhuman

I didn’t give up pen and ink until the 80s. : ) My 2 maternal aunts had beautiful penmanship and they only got through HS. We were still using pen and ink in elementary in the ’50s.

My mom had beautiful penmanship. I remember her telling me that in elementary school (which would’ve been in the ’40s) the teachers used to balance a coin on the kids’ hands and they had to write slwoly & carefully enough that it wouldn’t fall off (otherwise they got whacked with a ruler).

369 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:28:29pm

re: #367 Bear

Pen and ink for a left hand writer was a big MESS.

The nuns had a fix for that: “There is no such thing as a left handed writer.”

370 Bear  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:29:50pm

re: #369 Decatur Deb

How stupid.

371 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:30:56pm

re: #369 Decatur Deb

The nuns had a fix for that: “There is no such thing as a left handed writer.”

My dad had tales about that. The nuns hated that he was left handed. He can still write legibly with either hand.

372 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:32:04pm
373 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:32:25pm

re: #370 Bear

How stupid.

US Army: “There is no such thing as a left handed shooter.” (Until 1970 or so.)

374 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:33:27pm

re: #369 Decatur Deb

The nuns had a fix for that: “There is no such thing as a left handed writer.”

Hey, I’m still left handed. And taught by nuns. They wouldn’t have dared smack my hand. : ) But you’re right about that damned smearing. It’s why we had blotter paper.

375 darthstar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:33:59pm
376 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:34:29pm

re: #360 Gus

re: #362 Gus

Russia Today & Press TV, huh? Both being run by countries that are such shining exemplars of of transparent democratic government & press freedom. //

377 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:35:13pm

re: #374 Justanotherhuman

Hey, I’m still left handed. And taught by nuns. They wouldn’t have dared smack my hand. : ) But you’re right about that damned smearing. It’s why we had blotter paper.

I throw and hammer left-handed, eat and write (badly) w/ right. Yet I survived.

378 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:35:40pm

Kittehs can help with penmanship.

Later, lizards.

379 darthstar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:37:07pm

More goats
Youtube Video

380 Bear  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:37:24pm

re: #373 Decatur Deb

Not true in 1944 They made just as good cannon fodder as right hand shooters.

381 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:37:51pm

re: #375 darthstar

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I kept wanting the largest one to finally jump on and launch the smaller ones into the air.

382 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:38:15pm

re: #378 wrenchwench

Kittehs can help with penmanship.

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Later, lizards.

There is a great scene in The Wrong Box in which Peter Sellers plays a corrupt Edwardian lawyer. His den is overrun with cats, and he grabs one to blot a pen-and-nibbed document.

383 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:38:44pm

re: #376 CuriousLurker

Russia Today & Press TV, huh? Both being run by countries that are such shining exemplars of of transparent democratic government & press freedom. //

#362 is shopped.

384 darthstar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:38:49pm
385 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:40:19pm

re: #383 Gus

#362 is shopped.

Ah, okay. It wouldn’t surprise me a bit though.

386 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:40:56pm

Are we doomed yet?

387 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:41:13pm

re: #380 Bear

Not true in 1944 They made just as good cannon fodder as right hand shooters.

By the 60s, the ejection ports on the semi-autos were all for right-handers. If you shot leftie, they would throw the brass down your fatigue shirt neckline. it was well into the M16 era before they developed an ambi brass deflector.

388 darthstar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:41:28pm
389 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:41:38pm

re: #378 wrenchwench

Kittehs can help with penmanship.

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Later, lizards.

Wrong way to hold pen.

Forefinger and thumb on topside of pen, about 2 inches from tip, for control, forming a “v”, and bottom of pen rests on middle finger supported by 2 remaining fingers below it. And no, I don’t “curve” my hand over the top of my writing because I’m left handed. : )

390 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:41:53pm

re: #252 William Barnett-Lewis

Back in the old days of VI vs EMACS, my usual line was that VI was only good for editing the EMACS makefile. Ah, memories … ;)

Haven’t used EMACS since my LISP days 25 years ago.

391 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:42:23pm

re: #386 FemNaziBitch

Are we doomed yet?

Yet? Didn’t you hear? We’ve been doomed.

392 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:43:06pm

re: #384 darthstar

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Oh, shit! My fucking eyes!

393 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:44:33pm

re: #392 Justanotherhuman

Oh, shit! My fucking eyes!

Yes, that should have been preceeded by a eye bleach warning.

394 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:44:36pm

The appeal of the Mayor of Lviv Andriy Sadoviy to the police:

This is a humanitarian disaster. And it was caused by the government, which denigrated human dignity and flagrantly violated the rights of Ukrainian citizens. People are dying a violent death, thousands are wounded.

I wish to address the law enforcement agencies in Lviv separately. Go out and use your weapons to protect the people - your relatives, neighbors, and friends. You need to realize that the smallest aggression on your part to the people will have a response that is many times stronger. It will be impossible to stop.

Lviv citizens - refrain from mob justice. Today we need to keep a cold mind more than ever.

Hospitals are ready, we expect hundreds of wounded patients. I recommend that parents accompany their children to school and from school. The city’s hotline works 24h. 2975911.

To victory!

Glory to Ukraine!

euromaidanpr.wordpress.com

395 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:45:14pm

re: #391 CuriousLurker

>Yet? Didn’t you hear? We’ve been doomed.

So, now you dashed all my future plans.

396 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:46:29pm

Ted Nugent - Jailbait
1981
He was 33 when this came out.

I´ve got no inhibitions,
So keep your keys out of your ignition
I steal a car like I got the curse,
I can´t resist the old lady’s purse

Jailbait you look so good to me,
Jailbait won´t you set me free,
Jailbait you look fine, fine, fine
And I know I´ve got to have you in a matter of time

Well, I don´t care if you´re just thirteen,
You look too good to be true
I just know that you´re probably clean,
There´s one little think I got do to you

Jailbait you look so good to me,
Jailbait won´t you set me free,
Jailbait you look fine, fine, fine
And I know I´ve got to have you in a matter of time

Sad but true

So tell your mama that I´m back in town,
She likes us boys when it´s time to get down
She´s got this craving for the underage;
I just might be your mamas’ brand new rage

Jailbait you look so good to me,
Jailbait won´t you set me free,
Jailbait you look fine, fine, fine
And I know I´ve gots to have you in a matter of time, now babe

Honey, you, you, you look so nice.
She´s young, she´s tender
Won´t you please surrender.
She so fine, she´s mine,
All the time, I woke my mind.

It´s all right baby, it´s quite all right I asked your mama.

Wait a minute officer; wait a minute officer
Don´t put those handcuffs on me, what about her?
Hey, I´ll share her with you!

397 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:47:12pm
398 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:47:20pm

forgive the bad quality

Yes, it is finally finished. 2000 pieces. Finished it last week, but just now got into photoshop to try to repair the bad picture taking. I didn’t set up the lighting etc.

You can tell by the parts we had to pay the cat in tribute just how little of the image each piece covered. Most of them were actually seemed rather gray until you matched them up with their neighbors.

It was an accomplishment, I will admit.

399 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:47:39pm

re: #392 Justanotherhuman

Oh, shit! My fucking eyes!

Here, try this…

Brain bleach

400 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:48:06pm

re: #390 b_sharp

Haven’t used EMACS since my LISP days 25 years ago.

A setup, even windows, is not complete till some version of EMACS is running on it. GNU 24.3.1 currently on this laptop.

401 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:48:19pm

re: #399 CuriousLurker

Here, try this…

Brain bleach

that is awesome!

402 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:48:53pm

I’m sharing pictures of a puzzle I completed.

Gawd, my 25 year-old self would be ashamed.

403 Kragar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:49:05pm

I got me a Dudebro

404 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:49:11pm

re: #401 FemNaziBitch

that is awesome!

Got it from tvtropes.org

405 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:49:12pm

re: #399 CuriousLurker

Here, try this…

Brain bleach

There’s also the “Nope” button. You’ll find it under your keyboard.

406 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:49:49pm

Emacs is one of my favorite pieces of software. Been using it since the Atari ST days, and I still use it on the LGF servers almost daily.

Not the easiest text editor to learn, but very very powerful.

407 darthstar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:50:04pm

re: #396 Gus

I’ve got a joke. Can’t share it. No. Won’t share it.

408 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:50:11pm

re: #405 Dr Lizardo

There’s also the “Nope” button. You’ll find it under your keyboard. [Embedded image]

ROFL

409 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:50:13pm

re: #404 CuriousLurker

Got it from tvtropes.org

under what topic would I find an image for “my 25 yo self would be ashamed”?

410 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:50:40pm

re: #402 FemNaziBitch

I’m sharing pictures of a puzzle I completed.

Gawd, my 25 year-old self would be ashamed.

Why not? Accomplishments should be enjoyed.

411 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:51:17pm

re: #403 Kragar

I got me a Dudebro

[Embedded content]

That’s the nut who accused Bob Cesca and me of being homophobic for using the term “fanboys.” Please take me off those mentions - there’s no point with this guy. I blocked him *and* put him in the global filter.

412 darthstar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:51:39pm

FYI - Chris Hayes spent 2 minutes talking about Euromaidan and the crisis - complete with more than a few seconds of video of burning buildings - before going back to a 1%ers story.

So that’s been covered. We can now return to wondering if the US will get more medals than the Russians.

413 Kragar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:52:31pm

Fuck it, blocked the little turd. He wanted to talk about why NSA agents working up plans to potentially spy on people meant it was just as bad as it happening, not realizing actual intelligence work relies on figuring out potential attacks to defend against them.

414 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:53:40pm

Hmmm……another interesting possible development.

415 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:54:22pm

re: #375 darthstar

[Embedded content]

I want a goat.

Why is the one all chained-up?

416 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:54:33pm

re: #411 Charles Johnson

That’s the nut who accused Bob Cesca and I of being homophobic for using the term “fanboys.” Please take me off those mentions - there’s no point with this guy. I blocked him *and* put him in the global filter.

“fanboy” as a homophobic slur is a pinhead detector I’ll have to remember for future reference.

This makes “niggardly” bringing regarded as a racist slur seem almost rational.

417 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:54:34pm

re: #413 Kragar

Fuck it, blocked the little turd. He wanted to talk about why NSA agents working up plans to potentially spy on people meant it was just as bad as it happening, not realizing actual intelligence work relies on figuring out potential attacks to defend against them.

He’s a nutter. Blocked him a while back.

418 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:54:47pm

re: #414 Dr Lizardo

Hmmm……another interesting possible development.

[Embedded content]

Dissension within the ranks. Good.

419 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:55:59pm

re: #410 EPR-radar

Why not? Accomplishments should be enjoyed.

It’s a freakin’ puzzle.

At least I didn’t (and don’t) have the weather channel on in the background.

420 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:56:13pm
421 darthstar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:56:21pm

re: #415 FemNaziBitch

I want a goat.

Why is the one all chained-up?

Kinky goat.

422 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:57:42pm

re: #421 darthstar

Kinky goat.

ah!

They are amazing to watch. Seen them negotiate what seems the impossible over rocks and stuff in zoos and occasionally on the side of the road during various vacations.

423 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:57:51pm

re: #421 darthstar

Kinky goat.

You sick bastard.
/

424 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:58:43pm

re: #423 Varek Raith

You sick bastard.
/

Hey, dead people who live in glass houses …

425 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 5:59:05pm

re: #409 FemNaziBitch

under what topic would I find an image for “my 25 yo self would be ashamed”?

Wild Strawberries

Image: wild4.jpg

426 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:00:00pm

re: #418 Justanotherhuman

Dissension within the ranks. Good.

Could be that commanding general refused orders to deploy troops to Kiev or open fire on protesters. But combined with that earlier story of 26 Party of Regions MP’s leaving around midnight local time on a private jet, it could be the Ukrainian government is beginning to falter.

427 darthstar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:00:12pm
428 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:00:18pm

Holy Bob!

This is strangely detailed—is it someone’s PhD dissertation in web format?

429 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:00:48pm

re: #425 Decatur Deb

Wild Strawberries

Image: wild4.jpg

excellent!

430 darthstar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:01:38pm
431 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:02:48pm

re: #430 darthstar

[Embedded content]

I waaaaaannnnnnt a German Shepherd and a goat.

432 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:02:56pm

re: #430 darthstar

[Embedded content]

Yeah, pretty much.

433 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:03:05pm

re: #426 Dr Lizardo

Could be that commanding general refused orders to deploy troops to Kiev or open fire on protesters. But combined with that earlier story of 26 Party of Regions MP’s leaving around midnight local time on a private jet, it could be the Ukrainian government is beginning to falter.

Yes. Exactly. If the Army is refusing to go off on citizens, that may have been a clue for those 26 who obviously, like Azarov, went to Austria or wherever to be with their money.

434 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:03:45pm
435 darthstar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:04:16pm

Incidentally, I mowed the lawn today (first mow of the year)…Banjo helped. Here are his feet on the white leather couch.

Image: 1962695_10152245775438024_651700357_n.jpg

436 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:04:33pm

re: #433 Justanotherhuman

Yes. Exactly. If the Army is refusing to go off on citizens, that may have been a clue for those 26 who obviously, like Azarov, went to Austria or wherever to be with their money.

Heh…..I’m sure Yanuk would consider them to be cowards or something. I’m of the opinion that perhaps they’re more ‘attuned’ to what’s going on. Dictators are the last to know when the shit hits the fan.

437 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:05:10pm

re: #435 darthstar

Incidentally, I mowed the lawn today (first mow of the year)…Banjo helped. Here are his feet on the white leather couch.

Image: 1962695_10152245775438024_651700357_n.jpg

I can’t even see my yard.

438 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:05:44pm

But, this would be oK, too.

439 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:06:24pm

emacs is not a text editor

emacs is a school of philosophy

440 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:07:05pm

re: #430 darthstar

So true. LOL

Youtube Video

Youtube Video

Youtube Video

441 darthstar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:07:42pm
442 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:07:43pm

re: #428 FemNaziBitch

Holy Bob!

This is strangely detailed—is it someone’s PhD dissertation in web format?

Do I need to link to my page on The Silmarillion in 1000 words?

littlegreenfootballs.com

443 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:08:17pm

444 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:09:14pm

re: #442 William Barnett-Lewis

Do I need to link to my page on The Silmarillion in 1000 words?

littlegreenfootballs.com

Yes and I found much easier, but less enjoyable than the original.

I’m not sure I actually finished the original. I still have it on audio cassettes somewhere. … ..

445 darthstar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:09:16pm

446 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:10:50pm

Things may be getting much more serious.

447 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:11:23pm

Or one of these.

448 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:12:12pm

re: #443 Gus

[Embedded image]

My granddaughter’s pet grooming business is up and running. Those look like she got hold of them.

Amazed at how much people are willing to pamper their pets. I loved my doggies, but they never wore clothes. : )

449 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:12:16pm

Posted a while back. Getting more press since last week.

450 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:13:33pm

OMG! Otterhounds are an endangered breed!

With fewer than 800 Otterhounds worldwide, they are more rare than Giant Panda and considered one of the most endangered dog breeds.

Now, I know my next dog will be an Otterhound.

451 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:14:58pm

re: #449 Gus

Posted a while back. Getting more press since last week.

[Embedded content]

That’s a chicken?!?!

452 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:15:08pm

re: #439 dog philosopher

emacs is not a text editor

emacs is a school of philosophy

Emacs is a platform that grew out of a text editor.

453 darthstar  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:16:17pm

re: #451 Varek Raith

That’s a chicken?!?!

I thought it was Rick James, bitch!

454 Interesting Times  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:17:46pm

re: #451 Varek Raith

That’s a chicken?!?!

Apparently so…

455 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:20:37pm

re: #451 Varek Raith

That’s a chicken?!?!

Silkie

The Silkie (sometimes alternatively spelled Silky) is a breed of chicken named for its atypically fluffy plumage, which is said to feel like silk. The breed has several other unusual qualities, such as black skin, flesh, and bones, blue earlobes, and five toes on each foot, whereas most chickens only have four. They are often exhibited in poultry shows, and appear in various colors.

In addition to their distinctive physical characteristics, Silkies are well known for their calm, friendly temperament. Among the most docile of poultry, Silkies are considered an ideal pet. Hens are also exceptionally broody, and make good mothers. Though they are fair layers themselves, laying about three eggs a week, they are commonly used to hatch eggs from other breeds and bird species. Silkies come in both a full-sized and diminutive forms, the latter being typically known as Silkie Bantams…

456 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:22:07pm

re: #430 darthstar

[Embedded content]

That cat is how my grandkid looks after he’s done something bad.

457 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:22:51pm

And then there’s this.

lolwut?

458 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:24:21pm

bbl

459 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:26:03pm

re: #452 Charles Johnson

Emacs is a platform that grew out of a text editor.

First a text editor, then a programming interface.

460 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:28:02pm

re: #451 Varek Raith

re: #454 Interesting Times

re: #455 Gus

Who knew there were so many varieties of chickens? List of chicken breeds.

Some of them have pretty funny names. There’s even one lays that blue/green eggs, and there’s such a thing as an “exhibition” chicken.

461 jaunte  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:30:22pm

re: #460 CuriousLurker

Those are the ones with little raincoats and a furtive look.

462 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:33:04pm

re: #420 Charles Johnson

Where is the global filter?

463 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:35:33pm

re: #462 Pie-onist Overlord

Where is the global filter?

It’s often on the back of the computer, near the power cord.

464 Gus  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:35:44pm

re: #460 CuriousLurker

Who knew there were so many varieties of chickens? List of chicken breeds.

Some of them have pretty funny names. There’s even one lays that blue/green eggs, and there’s such a thing as an “exhibition” chicken.

465 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:40:28pm

re: #462 Pie-onist Overlord

Where is the global filter?

In Tweetdeck click the gear icon then choose Settings > Mute. You can use the drop-down choose to enter specific words, users, etc. (separate usernames by commas: @wingnut1, @wingnut2

466 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:41:09pm

re: #464 Gus

[Embedded content]

They’re way cool looking. Kinda remind me of like Big Bird.

467 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:48:25pm

Sister Megan will cut your corporate ass:

Elderly nun sentenced over US nuclear site break-in

bbc.co.uk

468 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:41:40am

re: #434 Varek Raith

Image: cats_are_jerks_2.jpg

Cats rule. Dogs drool.
:)

469 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:45:01am

re: #460 CuriousLurker

Who knew there were so many varieties of chickens? List of chicken breeds.

Some of them have pretty funny names. There’s even one lays that blue/green eggs, and there’s such a thing as an “exhibition” chicken.

My brother usually has a Araucana or two in his flock of layers. So a few green/blue mixed in with the brown eggs. They’re usually also the most aggressive or “smartest” (as you measure intelligence in chickens) birds in the flock as well.

470 CuriousLurker  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 8:07:21am

re: #469 Feline Fearless Leader

My brother usually has a Araucana or two in his flock of layers. So a few green/blue mixed in with the brown eggs. They’re usually also the most aggressive or “smartest” (as you measure intelligence in chickens) birds in the flock as well.

Prolly because they get picked on by the other chickens for their funny looking mutton-chop feathers. Kinda like being a boy named Sue, heh:

Youtube Video

471 Jay in Oregon  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 11:27:29am

re: #327 Charles Johnson

Greenwald:

“Formally declaring my partner was engaged in terrorist-like activities is not going to sit will with me at all if it happens”

Dude bragged about using his spouse as a mule for stolen classified materials and is surprised that someone decided to detain Miranda as a result.

I assume that Greenwald will prove how totally not a terrorist he is by threatening to publish more details of GCHQ programs, right?

And then there’s this: theguardian.com

Miranda said he would challenge the decision. “I will appeal this ruling, and keep appealing until the end, not because I care about what the British government calls me, but because the values of press freedom that are at stake are too important to do anything but fight until the end,” he told The Intercept website, which is edited by Greenwald.

Nope, there’s no possible conflict of interest when you’re interviewing the spouse of one of your editors. None at all.


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