New Wingnut Meme: Leno Was Let Go For Making Too Many Obama Jokes

Filling in a couple of facts today’s Breitbart’s piece neglected to mention

Today Breitbart’s “Big Hollywood” section has an opinion piece from “Johnny Carson’s head writer”, Raymond Siller. Amidst polemical nonsense like:

With his pen and phone, our selfie-absorbed president is one whacked uncle away from appointing himself Supreme Leader.

Siller asserts that Leno was the only comedian on late night television “willing to launch comedic drones over the current West Wing.” Siller himself doesn’t go there, but the wingnut rank and file have for weeks been making the case that NBC let Leno go for this very reason.

There are a couple of things to point out here. First of all, Breitbart only identifies Siller as “the longtime head writer on “The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson.” In doing so, they are shortchanging Siller’s long resume. Per Wikipedia (and heavily footnoted) Siller became a consultant for both President Richard Nixon and Vice President Spiro Agnew in 1970. He went on to consult and write for a long list of Republicans including Presidents Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush as well as Governors George Deukmejian and Nelson Rockefeller. He has also contributed to The Washington Times.

Secondly, Siller states:

Carson felt his mission was to entertain, not proselytize. It may have been Johnny’s Midwest roots that considered any mention of politics or religion impolite. It also made business sense not to offend a large chunk of his viewers.

However, he ignores the business sense of NBC’s move completely. Even though Leno is reputed to have taken a pay cut in 2012, going from approximately $25 million, to $20 million per year, that still averages in excess of $80,000 for every single show. When you consider the the audience for The Tonight Show is both shrinking and aging, it is nothing but good business to bring in Fallon for 40-60% less salary while attracting an audience young enough to please advertisers not attempting to sell catheters or reverse mortgages.

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344 comments

1 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 1:00:04pm

This is quite laughable. Obama can laugh at himself just fine. Siller’s former bosses like Nixon and Angew OTOH.

2 Dr. Matt  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 1:33:40pm

President Obama has 2.7 years left in office so NBC decides NOW is the time to shit-can Leno? Yeah, great “logic”…..teabag logic.

3 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:08:21pm

re: #2 Dr. Matt

President Obama has 2.7 years left in office so NBC decides NOW is the time to shit-can Leno? Yeah, great “logic”…..teabag logic.

Seriously. If NBC and Obama were “worried” about Leno’s jokes. He would have gotten canned before Obama’s re-election. I think NBC knows that Leno had been on the air for a long time and it was time for a change. Doesn’t take a background in TV to do the math.

4 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:19:42pm

Promoted! Great post.

5 Testy Toad T  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:22:09pm

Why didn’t Obama’s first politically-motivated firing last, back in 2009? Had he not yet consolidated his nefarious eeeeeevil power, or something?

6 b.d.  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:22:51pm

Thank you President Obama

7 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:23:52pm

re: #5 Testy Toad T

Why didn’t Obama’s first politically-motivated firing last, back in 2009? Had he not yet consolidated his nefarious eeeeeevil power, or something?

Hush you, Obama’s a dictatorial tyrant and yet somehow we can impeach him and have a majority of his opposition party in the biggest house in the legislature. He only got 57% of the vote than he should have (Yes that’s meant to be over 100%).

8 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:23:52pm

A “requested” intervention; just like Czechoslovakia in 1968. Same bullshit, different century. At least the Russians are consistent.

*headdesk*

9 Kragar  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:24:15pm

Leno was telling jokes? When did that start?

10 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:24:39pm

re: #8 Dr Lizardo

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A “requested” intervention; just like Czechoslovakia in 1968. Same bullshit, different century. At least the Russians are consistent.

*headdesk*

Man I’ve got nothing against the Russian people but their government. Agh.

11 bratwurst  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:24:41pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Promoted! Great post.

Cheers. I guess I owe a hat tip to Rush Limbaugh for bringing this piece to my attention today. I am certainly not at all a regular visitor to the big orange B!

12 CuriousLurker  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:24:59pm

Great post, bratwurst. Congrats on the promotion.

The stupid, it burns.

13 CuriousLurker  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:26:21pm

OT - sorry for doing it so soon, but it looks like the clergy is standing with the protesters now. Looks like they’re chanting prayers:

Youtube Video

14 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:28:21pm

Translation via GoogleTranslate:

Infographics : Default risk is increasing in Ukraine
02/12/2014 14:10
The big three rating agencies - Fitch, Moody’s and Standard & Poor’s - downgraded the rating of the country to pre-default level


Ukraine’s economy in 2012 is not coming out of recession and in dire need of external borrowing to refinance old debt . Until the end of 2014 , Ukraine should repay about $ 7.3 billion in foreign currency obligations .

However, the solvency of the state raises doubts among Western financiers : the international capital markets for more than six months remain closed for Ukraine , and the negotiations with the IMF reached an impasse.

Getting to the end of 2013 the first tranche of the Russian loan calmed markets. However, in January 2014 , after the resignation of the government of Mykola Azarov Russia suspended the December agreement . Moscow does not conceal the political motivation for such a step. International response to the financial problems of official Kiev immediate - ” big three ” credit rating agencies (Fitch, Moody’s and Standard & Poor’s) downgraded the ratings of Ukraine to pre-default level .

Ukraine is certainly in a pickle.

15 Kragar  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:28:46pm

re: #13 CuriousLurker

>OT - sorry for doing it so soon, but it looks like the clergy is standing with the protesters now. Looks like they’re chanting prayers:

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I’m expecting the Rohirrim to ride in soon

16 GeneJockey  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:32:01pm

re: #15 Kragar

I’m expecting the Rohirrim to ride in soon

Only if Denethor lets Gandalf light the beacons.

17 CuriousLurker  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:33:46pm

re: #13 CuriousLurker

>OT - sorry for doing it so soon, but it looks like the clergy is standing with the protesters now. Looks like they’re chanting prayers:

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Because it’s just what every volatile situation needs, religion. //

18 Bulworth  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:39:49pm

re: #9 Kragar

That All The Updings pic is appropriate here.

19 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:41:53pm

re: #17 CuriousLurker

Because it’s just what every volatile situation needs, religion. //

The churches are providing sanctuary for the injured and safe venues for med clinics. I’m not going to fault them for being involved even though over 60% of Ukrainians are not involved w/religion, but the Ukrainian Orthodox churches are a strong presence among those who are.

20 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:43:15pm
21 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:44:28pm

Good money in catheters.

22 Bubblehead II  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:45:10pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

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You forgot the sarc tags.

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23 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:46:01pm

re: #22 Bubblehead II

You forgot the sarc tags.

//

Trying to quit.

24 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:46:08pm

This is the Mykhaylo Gold Dome Cathedral in Kiev, turned into a hospital:

Image: big.jpg

25 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:46:24pm

This story is complete bullshit.

The President ordered me to kill Jay Leno with a pair of Crocs, a dachsund, and an escargot fork.

…he’s a bit of a micromanager when it comes to details.

26 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:49:18pm

More bad news for Ukraine, as if they don’t have enough already.

bloomberg.com

The yield on the government’s $1 billion of notes maturing in June increased 19 percentage points to 42 percent, an all-time high, at 10:18 p.m. in Kiev. The rate on bonds due in 2023 rose 90 basis points to 11.42 percent. Ukraine’s stock index lost 2 percent and the hryvnia, which is managed by the central bank, weakened 1 percent to 8.95 per dollar.

Investors are ditching assets of Europe’s riskiest borrower after President Viktor Yanukovych’s regime yesterday banned protests, vowing to use “all means” necessary to restore order. Currencies across developing Europe retreated along with the hryvnia, with the ruble tumbling to a record and higher yields prompting Russia to cancel its third bond auction in less than a month.

27 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:49:50pm

re: #21 Decatur Deb

Good money in catheters.

They just piss it away, though.

28 CuriousLurker  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:50:22pm

re: #19 Justanotherhuman

The churches are providing sanctuary for the injured and safe venues for med clinics. I’m not going to fault them for being involved even though over 60% of Ukrainians are not involved w/religion, but the Ukrainian Orthodox churches are a strong presence among those who are.

I wasn’t faulting them. There’s nothing wrong with churches, mosques, synagogues, temples, etc. lending moral support or providing sanctuary & medical assistance, but the fact that religion can also be a powerful igniter of passions makes me a bit leery of seeing it in an already volatile situation. People may very well be largely secular under normal circumstances, but during times of great upheaval…

29 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:50:55pm

re: #24 Justanotherhuman

This is the Mykhaylo Gold Dome Cathedral in Kiev, turned into a hospital:

Image: big.jpg

That’s almost worth taking a bottle to the head to get in….

30 Iwouldprefernotto  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:51:58pm

I think Leno killed Vince Foster…

31 bratwurst  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:52:25pm

re: #21 Decatur Deb

Good money in catheters.

No doubt about it. Judging by the frequency of their adverts, I don’t think cable news in this country would be possible without that lucrative trade.

Speaking of cable news, CNN has been running this “news” story extolling the virtues of online dating over and over since last Friday…at the same time that every single commercial break on the network includes at least one add for Match, Christian Mingle or Our Time. Every time they hit a new low, they seem determined to go lower over there.

Yes, I know I should change the channel…but one can only watch BBC News about an hour per day before repetition sets in. Obviously Fox News is no option, and I am boycotting MSNBC as long as their “all Chris Christie all the time!” format remains in place.

32 Political Atheist  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:52:33pm
However, he ignores the business sense of NBC’s move completely. Even though Leno is reputed to have taken a pay cut in 2012, going from approximately $25 million, to $20 million per year, that still averages in excess of $80,000 for every single show. When you consider the the audience for The Tonight Show is both shrinking and aging, it is nothing but good business to bring in Fallon for 40-60% less salary while attracting an audience young enough to please advertisers not attempting to sell catheters or reverse mortgages.

QFT

And let’s not forget how good this is for Jay. His earning potential and control over where/when/why he performs is all his to own now. He can earn at least as much. Word is Jay loves his work. Look at his upcoming work schedule! The link is a tcket reseller, so that’s just his public appearances. It seems he will be working just as hard and only a little less often.

33 Ian G.  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:52:58pm

Only in Wingnutistan would replacing an aging, unfunny comic with a younger, funnier one (I happen to love Fallon’s various musical impersonations) be some sort of act of vengeance by the President.

Also, did these people forget when Leno left the “Tonight Show” several years ago, only to change his mind and force out Conan O’Brien? He was well past his expiration date.

34 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:53:36pm

re: #27 wrenchwench

They just piss it away, though.

Have you read The March of Foley?

35 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:55:40pm

re: #34 Decatur Deb

Have you read The March of Foley?

no…

36 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:56:34pm

re: #35 wrenchwench

no…

I think I get it…

Foley catheter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

37 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:57:23pm

re: #35 wrenchwench

no…

Raises “balloon animal’ to a whole new level.

en.wikipedia.org

38 Bulworth  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:57:55pm

re: #33 Ian G.

Well, when you’re writing for an entity calling itself Big Hollywood, I’m sure you have to scrounge around at the bottom of the barrel for material sometimes.

39 Tigger2  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:58:28pm

Thats really funny that the wingnuts are worrying about Leno so much considering Leno’s a Liberal. lol

ask.com

40 BeenHereAwhile  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:58:54pm

re: #34 Decatur Deb

Have you read The March of Foley?

With sound effects too.

41 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:59:31pm

re: #37 Decatur Deb

42 Iwouldprefernotto  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:00:09pm

re: #38 Bulworth

Well, when you’re writing for an entity calling itself Big Hollywood, I’m sure you have to scrounge around at the bottom of the barrel for material sometimes.

Sometimes? How about all the time. Hollywood is about money. Coming up with one conspiracy theory after another is just an excuse to tilt at windmills.

43 b_sharp  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:00:19pm

I find Leno funny.

I also find Monty Python funny.

44 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:02:49pm

State Department official: US is ready to take further steps in coordination with European Union if visa sanctions do not work to quell Ukraine violence - @Reuters
end of alert

45 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:07:57pm

This guy:

Youtube Video

50-year-old Valery Brezdenyuk from Zhmerynka (Vinnytsa oblast) died last night on Maidan [Maidan Nezalezhnosti] after being shot in the back. His wife learned of his death from a stranger’s phone call and has gone to Kyiv to bring her husband’s body home.

46 Bubblehead II  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:10:27pm

Asshole Idaho Rep pulls gay bashing bill. For now.

Rep. Lynn Luker withdraws religious freedom bill

Republican Rep. Lynn Luker of Boise says his measure was intended to protect the free exercise of religion, but was misinterpreted to be a “sword for discrimination.”

No asshole, it wasn’t misinterpreted. We (Idaho residents) saw it for what exactly it was and we let our elected officials know that we were not going to allow it. They listened and quashed your bill.

Get over it.

47 aagcobb  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:10:49pm

re: #8 Dr Lizardo

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A “requested” intervention; just like Czechoslovakia in 1968. Same bullshit, different century. At least the Russians are consistent.

*headdesk*

Could the scenario from Tom Clancy’s last novel actually be playing out in the real world?

48 GeneJockey  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:11:38pm

re: #46 Bubblehead II

Asshole Idaho Rep pulls gay bashing bill. For now.

Rep. Lynn Luker withdraws religious freedom bill

Republican Rep. Lynn Luker of Boise says his measure was intended to protect the free exercise of religion, >but was misinterpreted to be a “sword for discrimination.”

No asshole, it wasn’t misinterpreted. We (Idaho residents) saw it for what exactly it was and we let our elected officials know that we were not going to allow it. They listened and quashed your bill.

Get over it.

“Misinterpreted” is what you say when people catch on.

49 Kragar  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:13:16pm

re: #45 wrenchwench

This guy:

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That has been the thing about the Ukrainian protests. These people are not your average young anarchists we get in the US and Western Europe. These are educated people with families and careers who are fighting for a better country.

50 aagcobb  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:14:50pm

re: #30 Iwouldprefernotto

I think Leno killed Vince Foster…

It will be interesting to watch the references to “Vince Foster” surge over the next couple of years. I also look for a lot of “Whitewater” and “Monica Lewinsky.”

51 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:17:01pm

re: #49 Kragar

That has been the thing about the Ukrainian protests. These people are not your average young anarchists we get in the US and Western Europe. These are educated people with families and careers who are fighting for a better country.

I’ve been wondering what it’s like in the daytime. How many bleary-eyed people are working days and revolting at night?

52 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:17:37pm

Ukraine ski team quits Olympics.

Ukrainian Olympic Ski team quit in protest of Yanukovych.. #euromaidan
Ukrainian Olympians: “We, members of the National Olympic team of Ukraine: Matsotska Bohdana and Matsotskiy Oleh are deeply indignant at recent actions of President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych. Instead of negotiations to resolve the conflict at Maidan ( we had a hope for while leaving to the Olympic Games in Sochi) he sank the latest hopes of Ukrainians in blood, thus breaking with the eternal principle of the Olympic Games - the Peace during the Olympics.
In solidarity with the fighters on Maidan barricades and protests against the bandit - the president and his grovelling government, we refuse further performance at the Olympic Games in Sochi 2014.
An imperishable memory of fallen heroes of Ukraine for freedom!
Glory to Ukraine and its Heroes!”
(Source: Ukrainska Pravda)

facebook.com

53 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:17:57pm

re: #52 Justanotherhuman

YES!

54 Bubblehead II  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:18:38pm

re: #50 aagcobb

It will be interesting to watch the references to “Vince Foster” surge over the next couple of years. I also look for a lot of “Whitewater” and “Monica Lewinsky.”

Let’s not forget the Rose Law Firm. That will come into play as well.

55 GeneJockey  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:18:44pm

I know this is a throwback to the thread downstairs, but it occurs to me that one of the problems with a political position that is simply the opposite of another is that it forces you to espouse some really stupid shit. In this case, the need to believe the opposite of Al Gore forces each wingnuts to choose among a series of nonsensical positions:

1. CO2 isn’t really rising.
2. CO2 is rising, but there’s no proof it’s us doing it.
3. CO2 is rising, and it’s us doing it, but it won’t change anything.
4. CO2 is rising, and it’s us doing it, and it will change things, but that’s okay.
5. CO2 is rising, and it’s us doing it, and it will change things, and that will be bad, but doing anything about it will be worse.

All of which boil down to some form of ‘The Opposite Of What Liberals Believe’. How the hell do you live your life like that?

56 aagcobb  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:19:00pm

re: #46 Bubblehead II

Asshole Idaho Rep pulls gay bashing bill. For now.

Rep. Lynn Luker withdraws religious freedom bill

Republican Rep. Lynn Luker of Boise says his measure was intended to protect the free exercise of religion, >but was misinterpreted to be a “sword for discrimination.”

No asshole, it wasn’t misinterpreted. We (Idaho residents) saw it for what exactly it was and we let our elected officials know that we were not going to allow it. They listened and quashed your bill.

Get over it.

It is heartening that even in places like Idaho and Kansas, blatantly anti-gay bigotry is becoming unacceptable.

57 GeneJockey  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:20:19pm

re: #37 Decatur Deb

Raises “balloon animal’ to a whole new level.

en.wikipedia.org

That was something I didn’t need to see. NSFW, hell. How about NSF the Universe?

58 Zamb  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:22:48pm

re: #55 GeneJockey

That is essentially what the fuck is wrong with the republican party. Makes compromise impossible and prevents them from ever coming up with new ideas since everything they do must be in reaction to something they perceive as being a liberal sacred cow. Personally I blame it on the hate media like Limbaugh and Fox. Too much outrage just simply broke them and it convinced a shit ton of gullible morons that they have what it takes to be elected officials.

59 dog philosopher  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:23:17pm

re: #39 Tigger2

Thats really funny that the wingnuts are worrying about Leno so much considering Leno’s a Liberal. lol

ask.com

they’ll believe that leno’s politics are whatever they want to believe they are

remember, these are people who will inevitably open a political discussion with the words “you believe…”

60 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:23:25pm

re: #49 Kragar

Eyewitness report from Maidan..
———————————————————
Things that happened on Maidan this evening (Feb 19):

—city hall is overwhelmed with people (including several clergymen) who are bringing food and medical supplies.

—the middle-aged woman who collected our food donations from us gave us a largepackage filled with packets of black pepper and allspice. She said(barked really) “Devushka! When you go around this way, you will see a group of men preparing molotov cocktails. You must take this to them.”

—the same woman then tried to give one of the self defense volunteers (a man in full flack jacket and helmet, weapons and body armor) one of the mandarins we had brought. He had a sandwich in one hand and a soda in the other. “you need vitamin C!” she said. He said “naw, both my hands are full, I don’t want it.” The woman huffed at him in offense and grabbed the collar of his sweatshirt. he was in a hoodie and the hood was up. She stuffed an orange violently into his hood until it sat securely in his collar. “You must eat it! You need your health!” The self defense volunteer laughed and pulled away like he was a child being tickled.

—People from all over Kyiv in all kinds of cars (Kia, Jeep, Lexus, Daiwoo) are driving up to the barricades to deliver piles and piles of tires to add to the fire. Mostly women are carrying the tires towards the front.

—Cobble stones are being ripped up all across Independence square and broken into smaller pieces so that they can be thrown. Women in heels and fur coats can be seen digging up the stones. Even a man i a wheel chair with no legs was there breaking stones with an ax.

—As we approached the fire line, a man in his 60s stood up from his chair. It was sitting against the barricade. He offered for me to stand on his chair so that i could take pictures over the wall. I hesitated. My feet were muddy. “May I?” I asked. “You need to,” he said. He and another woman, without asking, just doing, hoisted me up to the top of the barricade and silently held me steady for several minutes while I documented the area. He then helped me climb down and turned to my friends saying, “Who’s next?”

—Police are still using water canons to try to “put out the fires”. Mostly they are turning the square into a swamp.

—Artists are singing classical Ukrainian music on stage. Their voices are hypnotizing and beautiful.

—The crowds are immense. Everyone is kind and smiling, cooperating together and working hard. One of my friends was even recruited to help carry a huge piece of sheet metal over to the barricade to reinforce it while we were there. People are kind and helpful and lovely. Even the guards manning the gates yell over their megaphones not to order people around, but to thank them for being so kind and keeping to the right and making way for each other.

How can these people be radicals? They want you to be fed and be safe. They want everyone to come join them, because there is more than enough tea to go around, and the band is about to start. ..

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61 dog philosopher  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:25:40pm

re: #51 wrenchwench

I’ve been wondering what it’s like in the daytime. How many bleary-eyed people are working days and revolting at night?

i’m always revolting at night

62 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:27:12pm

re: #61 dog philosopher

i’m always revolting at night

I’m only revolting after I eat beans.

Or sauerkraut.

:D

63 GeneJockey  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:28:04pm

re: #51 wrenchwench

I’ve been wondering what it’s like in the daytime. How many bleary-eyed people are working days and revolting at night?

Stopping off for Molotov cocktails after work?

64 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:29:50pm
65 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:29:57pm

re: #57 GeneJockey

That was something I didn’t need to see. NSFW, hell. How about NSF the Universe?

Note to self: read the whole wiki.

66 TedStriker  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:30:15pm
There are a couple of things to point out here. First of all, Breitbart only identifies Siller as “the longtime head writer on “The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson.” In doing so, they are shortchanging Siller’s long resume. Per Wikipedia (and heavily footnoted) Siller became a consultant for both President Richard Nixon and Vice President Spiro Agnew in 1970. He went on to consult and write for a long list of Republicans including Presidents Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush as well as Governors George Deukmejian and Nelson Rockefeller. He has also contributed to The Washington Times.
Read more at littlegreenfootballs.com

This, of course, was no accident; it was to hide the fact that Siller was and is a Republican hack, writing for other Republican hacks, for decades.

Hell, Siller hasn’t written for The Tonight Show since before Johnny gave the reins over to Jay (a similar situation to now with Jay and Fallon, whereas the old lion retires [or is forced to retire] to let new blood come in); even though Jay was Johnny’s chosen heir, I’ll bet that Siller didn’t and doesn’t give two shits about Jay and the circumstances under which he (finally) retired from The Tonight Show.

No, like many political hacks do, Siller’s Breitbart piece was no more than a crass political attack, with a touch of appeal to authority (“Hey, Raymond Siller was the head writer for The Tonight Show when Carson was still there, so he must know what he’s talking about!”).

Such a load of horseshit.

67 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:32:08pm
68 Zamb  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:33:30pm

re: #59 dog philosopher

I’m truly grateful for conservatives, without them how would I ever know what my beliefs are?

69 GeneJockey  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:33:35pm

re: #62 Dr Lizardo

I’m only revolting after I eat beans.

Or sauerkraut.

:D

That’s the second-best reason not to eat sauerkraut, the first being that it’s sauerkraut.

There are many things I ate a lot of as a kid that I don’t get to eat so much anymore, for one reason or another - mostly that my wife and kids don’t like ‘em - fried eggs, lamb’s kidneys stewed with mushrooms and sherry, brussels sprouts, cauliflower, turnips, parsnips, chili…

Sauerkraut is not one of them. I do NOT miss that shit.

70 allegro  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:35:29pm

re: #69 GeneJockey

That’s the second-best reason not to eat sauerkraut, the first being that it’s sauerkraut.

There are many things I ate a lot of as a kid that I don’t get to eat so much anymore, for one reason or another - mostly that my wife and kids don’t like ‘em - fried eggs, lamb’s kidneys stewed with mushrooms and sherry, brussels sprouts, cauliflower, turnips, parsnips, chili…

Sauerkraut is not one of them. I do NOT miss that shit.

I get the rest of them… but chili?

71 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:36:47pm
Carson felt his mission was to entertain, not proselytize. It may have been Johnny’s Midwest roots that considered any mention of politics or religion impolite.

orly?

Youtube Video

Youtube Video

I was a fan of Johnny Carson ever since I was a wee tyke staying up late with my dad to watch The Tonight Show. I saw many of James Randi’s appearances debunking “psychic” frauds like Uri Geller and the whole “psychic surgery” thing that was hot shit for a while.

I’ve never been much of a Letterman fan, but when Leno took over the Tonight Show, I quit watching. I couldn’t stand him, and thought he was the antithesis of Carson. Oh well.

Side note: There was a long-standing rumor that Carson was the guy who donated the $1 million for the JREF Challenge, but that apparently was not the case.

72 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:37:37pm

re: #69 GeneJockey

That’s the second-best reason not to eat sauerkraut, the first being that it’s sauerkraut.

There are many things I ate a lot of as a kid that I don’t get to eat so much anymore, for one reason or another - mostly that my wife and kids don’t like ‘em - fried eggs, lamb’s kidneys stewed with mushrooms and sherry, brussels sprouts, cauliflower, turnips, parsnips, chili…

Sauerkraut is not one of them. I do NOT miss that shit.

LOL.

I do like sauerkraut; I’m not too sure why, but I enjoy the taste. Of course, I also enjoyed liverwurst, something that most people find wholly revolting. My ex-wife once saw a block of it in the fridge, and not knowing what it was, asked me why there was cat food in there.

73 BeenHereAwhile  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:38:52pm

re: #49 Kragar

That has been the thing about the Ukrainian protests. These people are not your average young anarchists we get in the US and Western Europe. These are educated people with families and careers who are fighting for a better country.

Talk about a tough audience:

74 Kragar  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:39:57pm

re: #73 BeenHereAwhile

Talk about a tough audience:

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“And now here’s a little diddy called ‘Fuck the Police’.”

75 GeneJockey  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:41:15pm

re: #70 allegro

I get the rest of them… but chili?

The boys don’t like it. Wimps.

The other day I was at the grocery store. I used to go in with only a vague idea what I wanted to buy and cook, and let what was on sale and what looks good inspire me. I used to really like grocery shopping.

Last week it hit me that I no longer enjoy it. Anything I want to cook, SOMEBODY won’t like. I’m half tempted to tell them all to go to hell and make whatever I damn please, and let them fucking STARVE if they don’t like it!
// x 0.5

76 Amory Blaine  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:42:13pm

ZOMG teh LIbEral ΜεС∀ dose the work of TYRants!!

77 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:42:35pm

re: #74 Kragar

“And now here’s a little diddy called ‘Fuck the Police’.”

‘Officer Peppersprayski Rag’

78 TedStriker  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:42:57pm

re: #74 Kragar

“And now here’s a little diddy called ‘Fuck the Police’.”

“Fuck tha police, coming straight from tha underground…”

/apologies to NWA

79 Amory Blaine  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:43:44pm

80 klys  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:45:44pm

re: #75 GeneJockey

The boys don’t like it. Wimps.

The other day I was at the grocery store. I used to go in with only a vague idea what I wanted to buy and cook, and let what was on sale and what looks good inspire me. I used to really like grocery shopping.

Last week it hit me that I no longer enjoy it. Anything I want to cook, SOMEBODY won’t like. I’m half tempted to tell them all to go to hell and make whatever I damn please, and let them fucking STARVE if they don’t like it!
// x 0.5

Seriously, you should.

Maybe make accommodations for your wife, because you are a smart man, but your boys can step up their game. My mother refuses to cook only vegetarian just because my sister is home; she’s responsible for her own main protein dish on the nights my parents are doing meat.

81 GeneJockey  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:46:36pm

re: #79 Amory Blaine

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If you put a wormhole in the floor, with the exit on the ceiling above, do you keep accelerating till you hit terminal velocity, then keep falling forever?

82 Amory Blaine  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:46:55pm

They administer the catheter at the signing of the reverse mortgage.

83 Amory Blaine  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:47:24pm

re: #81 GeneJockey

Pretty much. If you can keep her straight.

84 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:47:40pm

re: #72 Dr Lizardo

LOL.

I do like sauerkraut; I’m not too sure why, but I enjoy the taste. Of course, I also enjoyed liverwurst, something that most people find wholly revolting. My ex-wife once saw a block of it in the fridge, and not knowing what it was, asked me why there was cat food in there.

Hmmm. Another liverwurst lover! I quit meats pretty much over 30 yrs ago, but a liverwurst sandwich was one of my faves. So was kielbasa and sauerkraut (cooked together!). My diet is much better now. : )

85 GeneJockey  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:47:45pm

re: #82 Amory Blaine

They administer the catheter at the signing of the reverse mortgage.

With friends like that, who needs enemas?

86 TedStriker  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:48:40pm

re: #75 GeneJockey

The boys don’t like it. Wimps.

The other day I was at the grocery store. I used to go in with only a vague idea what I wanted to buy and cook, and let what was on sale and what looks good inspire me. I used to really like grocery shopping.

Last week it hit me that I no longer enjoy it. Anything I want to cook, SOMEBODY won’t like. I’m half tempted to tell them all to go to hell and make whatever I damn please, and let them fucking STARVE if they don’t like it!
// x 0.5

Just tell them that unless they’re putting in on the groceries, they don’t have much cause to be bitching about the food that gets put in front of them.

87 darthstar  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:49:57pm
88 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:50:33pm
89 GeneJockey  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:51:23pm

re: #87 darthstar

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If just 10,000 of you each send me $100, I’ll reveal how I made $1,000,000 without working!

90 aagcobb  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:51:42pm

re: #61 dog philosopher

i’m always revolting at night

Youtube Video

91 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:51:53pm

re: #84 Justanotherhuman

Hmmm. Another liverwurst lover! I quit meats pretty much over 30 yrs ago, but a liverwurst sandwich was one of my faves. So was kielbasa and sauerkraut (cooked together!). My diet is much better now. : )

Nom, nom, nom. Kielbasa and sauerkraut together is really good. Yeah, I stay away from a lot of that now, and like you, my health is better for it.

But I’ll still break down and treat myself to a kebab every now and then.

92 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:52:34pm

re: #81 GeneJockey

If you put a wormhole in the floor, with the exit on the ceiling above, do you keep accelerating till you hit terminal velocity, then keep falling forever?

If you’ll just hold this magnet for me, while i slide the armature into place, we’ll get some use out of this.

93 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:53:30pm
94 dog philosopher  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:55:03pm

re: #72 Dr Lizardo

LOL.

I do like sauerkraut; I’m not too sure why, but I enjoy the taste. Of course, I also enjoyed liverwurst, something that most people find wholly revolting. My ex-wife once saw a block of it in the fridge, and not knowing what it was, asked me why there was cat food in there.

“hunger is the best sauce”

95 GeneJockey  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:55:50pm

re: #86 TedStriker

Just tell them that unless they’re putting in on the groceries, they don’t have much cause to be bitching about the food that gets put in front of them.

I am the youngest of 6 children. I now understand why my Mom told me, at my college graduation, “Congratulations! I’m so proud of you! You get to stay the summer, but after that, you’re on your own!” I love my kids, and I like my kids, but seriously, 22 years is a long time to live with somebody who isn’t your wife.

96 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:56:08pm

HURR HURRRR!!!!

97 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:56:56pm
98 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:58:25pm

re: #84 Justanotherhuman

Hmmm. Another liverwurst lover! I quit meats pretty much over 30 yrs ago, but a liverwurst sandwich was one of my faves. So was kielbasa and sauerkraut (cooked together!). My diet is much better now. : )

I like all that. I make saukraut sometimes. It’s much better than store bought. My grandmother used to give me liverwurst spread on pumpernickel bread when I was 5 or 6 years old. Even young I loved it. It must have been something she brought over from England because I didn’t know anyone else whose parents or grandparents made that for them.

99 Kragar  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:58:43pm

So much for that whole “truce” thing:

100 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 3:59:13pm

re: #57 GeneJockey

That was something I didn’t need to see. NSFW, hell. How about NSF the Universe?

My mother was an ER nurse in the 70s and 80s, and I have a couple of friends who also work in emergency nursing. They all have tons and tons of catheter-oriented stories. I remember my mom telling about having to have an elderly man with dementia shackled because he pulled out his fully-inflated foley cath not just once, but twice.

101 klys  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:00:40pm

re: #100 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I think all the male Lizards are busy cringing.

102 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:00:48pm

re: #91 Dr Lizardo

Nom, nom, nom. Kielbasa and sauerkraut together is really good. Yeah, I stay away from a lot of that now, and like you, my health is better for it.

But I’ll still break down and treat myself to a kebab every now and then.

I confess, since I do eat turkey (a lot, in various ways), I indulge in turkey kielbasa from time to time. Not exactly the same, but better for you and pretty tasty. 5 gr fat in 2 oz and a lot less sodium.

myfitnesspal.com

103 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:02:41pm
104 GeneJockey  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:04:05pm

re: #102 Justanotherhuman

I confess, since I do eat turkey (a lot, in various ways), I indulge in turkey kielbasa from time to time. Not exactly the same, but better for you and pretty tasty. 5 gr fat in 2 oz and a lot less sodium.

myfitnesspal.com

Last night we had frozen California Pizza Kitchen pizzas for dinner since the younger boy had his D&D friends over. One of them was ‘Sicilian’, and I noted when I took it out of the oven it seemed much greasier than they used to be.

It WAS much greasier. I LOVED IT.

105 GeneJockey  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:04:57pm

re: #101 klys

I think all the male Lizards are busy cringing.

At first I thought you were referring to the picture of Divine!

106 klys  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:05:35pm

re: #105 GeneJockey

At first I thought you were referring to the picture of Divine!

And then you read it, and realized, and cringed a lot, am I right?

107 klys  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:06:05pm

re: #104 GeneJockey

Last night we had frozen California Pizza Kitchen pizzas for dinner since the younger boy had his D&D friends over. One of them was ‘Sicilian’, and I noted when I took it out of the oven it seemed much greasier than they used to be.

It WAS much greasier. I LOVED IT.

I confess, I frequently have 2-3 of those in the freezer for lazy nights.

108 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:06:11pm

People are walking in to Independence Sq and bringing fresh supplies.

Second video here:

ukrstream.tv

109 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:07:02pm
110 GeneJockey  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:07:10pm

re: #106 klys

And then you read it, and realized, and cringed a lot, am I right?

I made the same face Mel Brooks and Marty Feldman make in “Silent Movie” when Dom Deluise gets hit in the cobblers with a can of soda.

111 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:08:07pm

re: #101 klys

I think all the male Lizards are busy cringing.

And then there was the time when the guy came in who had managed to get the bristle end of a toothbrush lodged in his bladder. Apparently he got a little carried way with his usual recreational insertion routine and went a bridge too far. Tried to pull it out and something tore and bled lots and lots.

112 Kragar  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:08:49pm

re: #111 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

And I’m done here for now, thanks

113 GeneJockey  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:09:16pm

re: #111 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

And then there was the time when the guy came in who had managed to get the bristle end of a toothbrush lodged in his bladder. Apparently he got a little carried way with his usual recreational insertion routine and went a bridge too far. Tried to pull it out and something tore and bled lots and lots.

What the…? I can’t even….

114 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:09:44pm

re: #111 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

And then there was the time when the guy came in who had managed to get the bristle end of a toothbrush lodged in his bladder. Apparently he got a little carried way with his usual recreational insertion routine and went a bridge too far. Tried to pull it out and something tore and bled lots and lots.

W. T. F.?

115 GeneJockey  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:10:25pm

re: #112 Kragar

And I’m done here for now, thanks

Time to fight back!

“Just put your feet in the stirrups while I get the speculum out of the refrigerator….”

116 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:10:48pm

re: #109 NJDhockeyfan

I saw that in an earlier thread and just have to wonder how much the U.S. denying visas is just symbolic diplomatic b.s.? I mean, I assume those 20 officials weren’t going to be traveling to the U.S. when they need to escape anyway.

117 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:11:32pm
118 GeneJockey  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:11:59pm

re: #116 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I saw that in an earlier thread and just have to wonder how much the U.S. denying visas is just symbolic diplomatic b.s.? I mean, I assume those 20 officials weren’t going to be traveling to the U.S. when they need to escape anyway.

You know, if we’d thought to do that with the Shah back in 1979, this might be a very different world.

119 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:12:43pm

re: #113 GeneJockey

What the…? I can’t even….

That’s what he said…

120 EPR-radar  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:13:50pm

re: #111 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

That’s nasty. Much worse than the canonical light bulb in rectum story.

121 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:15:11pm

re: #120 EPR-radar

the canonical light bulb in rectum story

Not sure if I’m more cringing at the thought of the light bulb in the rectum, or the fact that there’s a canon.

122 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:16:02pm

re: #113 GeneJockey

123 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:16:08pm

Can’t wait for the pop-up ads.

124 klys  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:16:10pm

re: #121 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Not sure if I’m more cringing at the thought of the light bulb in the rectum, or the fact that there’s a canon.

Canon in P?

125 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:16:42pm

re: #120 EPR-radar

That’s nasty. Much worse than the canonical light bulb in rectum story.

My mom worked at a hospital when she was a teenager back in the 60s. That is one of the stories she told me about.

126 GeneJockey  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:17:00pm

re: #119 Decatur Deb

That’s what he said…

An Aussie friend who worked in reproductive endocrinology liked to share with me the more bizarre articles he found, like the woman who got pregnant by giving a BJ right before getting knifed in the gut (she had a uterus and ovaries, but no vagina); or the guy who showed up at the hospital with an enormously swollen, infected, stapled-together scrotum and half the usual complement of gonads because he’d been pleasuring himself on the drive belt of a machine at work and leaned in too close.

“Truth IS stranger than fiction, because fiction has to make sense.” - Mark Twain(?)

127 TedStriker  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:17:01pm

re: #98 NJDhockeyfan

I like all that. I make saukraut sometimes. It’s much better than store bought. My grandmother used to give me liverwurst spread on pumpernickel bread when I was 5 or 6 years old. Even young I loved it. It must have been something she brought over from England because I didn’t know anyone else whose parents or grandparents made that for them.

Alton Brown did a episode of Good Eats on pickled stuff like sauerkraut; he posited that most Americans hate sauerkraut because they get it from a can and that homemade sauerkraut (or even commercially packed sauerkraut in jars) usually tastes much better.

128 compound_Idaho  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:17:22pm

re: #75 GeneJockey

The boys don’t like it. Wimps.

The other day I was at the grocery store. I used to go in with only a vague idea what I wanted to buy and cook, and let what was on sale and what looks good inspire me. I used to really like grocery shopping.

Last week it hit me that I no longer enjoy it. Anything I want to cook, SOMEBODY won’t like. I’m half tempted to tell them all to go to hell and make whatever I damn please, and let them fucking STARVE if they don’t like it!
// x 0.5

“Grocery Store Night” is a family favorite at the compound. Everyone gets in the car and goes to the store to choose what they want for dinner. I know, I know a lot of extra cooking, dishes, effort, etc. But we turn up the stereo, talk, and laugh a lot. It’s a great way to spend time with the kids.

They rest of the nights it is shut up, sit down, and eat what I put in front of you.

129 GeneJockey  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:17:39pm

re: #121 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Not sure if I’m more cringing at the thought of the light bulb in the rectum, or the fact that there’s a canon.

Does it shoot light bulbs?
///

130 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:19:17pm

re: #127 TedStriker

Alton Brown did a episode of Good Eats on pickled stuff like sauerkraut; he posited that most Americans hate sauerkraut because they get it from a can and that homemade sauerkraut (or even commercially packed sauerkraut in jars) usually tastes much better.

Sauerkraut around here is in jars; that’s easily the most commonly available commercial sauerkraut.

131 GeneJockey  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:20:25pm

re: #127 TedStriker

Alton Brown did a episode of Good Eats on pickled stuff like sauerkraut; he posited that most Americans hate sauerkraut because they get it from a can and that homemade sauerkraut (or even commercially packed sauerkraut in jars) usually tastes much better.

No, we got the fresh-packed stuff - we lived in an area with lots of German-descended folks including Amish, Mennonites, etc. It’s still nasty shit.

132 TedStriker  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:21:45pm

re: #111 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

And then there was the time when the guy came in who had managed to get the bristle end of a toothbrush lodged in his bladder. Apparently he got a little carried way with his usual recreational insertion routine and went a bridge too far. Tried to pull it out and something tore and bled lots and lots.

133 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:21:56pm

re: #127 TedStriker

Alton Brown did a episode of Good Eats on pickled stuff like sauerkraut; he posited that most Americans hate sauerkraut because they get it from a can and that homemade sauerkraut (or even commercially packed sauerkraut in jars) usually tastes much better.

It’s so much better. We grew the cabbage and just put it in an old crock with a little kosher salt for about 6weeks. Hot dogs and kielbasa with the kraut and a little mustard never tasted to good!

134 klys  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:22:47pm

It is kind of amusing to watch the two parallel conversations. On one hand, we have a toothbrush in places no toothbrush should ever venture. On the other, sauerkraut.

135 aagcobb  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:24:41pm

re: #111 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

And then there was the time when the guy came in who had managed to get the bristle end of a toothbrush lodged in his bladder. Apparently he got a little carried way with his usual recreational insertion routine and went a bridge too far. Tried to pull it out and something tore and bled lots and lots.

Enough of that; I quit reading this post almost as soon as I started.

136 kirkspencer  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:24:57pm

re: #111 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

And then there was the time when the guy came in who had managed to get the bristle end of a toothbrush lodged in his bladder. Apparently he got a little carried way with his usual recreational insertion routine and went a bridge too far. Tried to pull it out and something tore and bled lots and lots.

There’s the ‘hey y’all watch this’ idiot who’d been planning to pee flames. (Yes, really.) he’d filled a pipette with everclear and inserted it up his urethra.

It broke. He, in pain, reacted by grabbing and squeezing where the pain was. It shattered.

My mom was an emergency room nurse way back when and I got a few of those tales. The good thing is that I don’t wince at the stories any more. Mostly.

137 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:24:59pm

I’m watching/listening to the Ukr chan and there have been several large bangs in the last couple of minutes. Seeing black smoke from a couple of places, so probably large molotovs hitting volatile targets? Now seeing an ambulance, lights flashing & siren.

138 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:25:28pm

re: #127 TedStriker

Alton Brown did a episode of Good Eats on pickled stuff like sauerkraut; he posited that most Americans hate sauerkraut because they get it from a can and that homemade sauerkraut (or even commercially packed sauerkraut in jars) usually tastes much better.

I can’t tolerate sauerkraut by itself under any circumstances, but I find it surprisingly delicious when it’s added in moderation onto a giant artery-clogging bratwurst and disguised as a “hot dog”.

139 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:26:51pm

re: #134 klys

and mix in some Ukranian civil war while we’re at it.

140 klys  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:27:19pm

And now for a brain cleanser: Spock riding an alicorn over a rainbow.

141 TedStriker  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:29:00pm

re: #138 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I can’t tolerate sauerkraut by itself under any circumstances, but I find it surprisingly delicious when it’s added in moderation onto a giant artery-clogging bratwurst and disguised as a “hot dog”.

Here’s Alton’s recipe, BTW:
foodnetwork.com

142 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:31:06pm

re: #141 TedStriker

Here’s Alton’s recipe, BTW:
foodnetwork.com

Was he making sauerkraut or gin? : )

143 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:32:09pm

re: #134 klys

It is kind of amusing to watch the two parallel conversations. On one hand, we have a toothbrush in places no toothbrush should ever venture. On the other, sauerkraut.

So we should efficiently collapse the two threads and talk about sauerkraut in places it should never, ever venture.

144 dog philosopher  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:33:10pm

re: #138 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I can’t tolerate sauerkraut by itself under any circumstances, but I find it surprisingly delicious when it’s added in moderation onto a giant artery-clogging bratwurst and disguised as a “hot dog”.

hypothetically the sauerkraut and the hotdog together arrive at some kind of cosmic balance in regard to grease

145 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:34:34pm

re: #127 TedStriker

Alton Brown did a episode of Good Eats on pickled stuff like sauerkraut; he posited that most Americans hate sauerkraut because they get it from a can and that homemade sauerkraut (or even commercially packed sauerkraut in jars) usually tastes much better.

The brands I buy come in plastic bags. Nom nom nom, especially the Bavarian with apple & mushroom. I love to take that, dice a few potatos, cut a ring baloney or kielbasa up and dump it all in the crockpot for all day. Heavenly at dinner time on a fall evening.

146 TedStriker  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:35:50pm

re: #143 The Ghost of a Flea

So we should efficiently collapse the two threads and talk about sauerkraut in places it should never, ever venture.

“Hear me out, I’ve got a great new idea: sauerkraut catheters!”

///

147 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:36:38pm

When I was in Israel I ate at a place that put sauerkraut on their falafel.

148 dog philosopher  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:36:41pm

re: #143 The Ghost of a Flea

So we should efficiently collapse the two threads and talk about sauerkraut in places it should never, ever venture.

i refuse to remove the sauerkraut from my nose

149 kirkspencer  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:37:15pm

re: #145 William Barnett-Lewis

The brands I buy come in plastic bags. Nom nom nom, especially the Bavarian with apple & mushroom. I love to take that, dice a few potatos, cut a ring baloney or kielbasa up and dump it all in the crockpot for all day. Heavenly at dinner time on a fall evening.

I like to use sauerkraut instead of onions for my smothered pork chops. I’d rinse the kraut first to reduce the saltiness (a lot), and the resulting bitter/sour/meaty gravy was, well, yum.

150 Lidane  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:37:40pm
151 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:37:55pm

Another field hospital—in a monastery.

152 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:38:24pm

re: #146 TedStriker

“Hear me out, I’ve got a great new idea: sauerkraut catheters!”

///

Sauerkraut is probiotic.

153 Kid A  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:38:42pm

154 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:38:53pm

re: #147 Pie-onist Overlord

When I was in Israel I ate at a place that put sauerkraut on their falafel.

Might actually make falafel palatable to me … ;)

(Chick peas and I don’t get along…)

155 dog philosopher  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:39:17pm

re: #147 Pie-onist Overlord

When I was in Israel I ate at a place that put sauerkraut on their falafel.

when i was in copenhagen (pronounced in danish as “cobnhum”) i was asked if i wanted “everything” on my frikadeller sandwich

“everything” in regard to a frikadeller sandwich turned out to consist of sweet pickle slices and rotkohl

156 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:39:59pm

re: #146 TedStriker

“Hear me out, I’ve got a great new idea: sauerkraut catheters!”

///

Soon:

Brazilian scientists discover a new species of centipede that lays its eggs in cabbage, where they lie dormant until they come into contact with human urine.

157 Gus  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:40:23pm

158 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:40:29pm

re: #155 dog philosopher

when i was in copenhagen (pronounced in danish as “cobnhum”) i was asked if i wanted “everything” on my frikadeller sandwich

“everything” in regard to a frikadeller sandwich turned out to consist of sweet pickle slices and rotkohl

What does a “frikadeller” sandwich contain? Apart from sweet pickle slices and rotkohl (red cabbage?)

159 klys  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:40:56pm

re: #157 Gus

[Embedded image]

That anime is stupidly cutesy and adorable and I sort of hate that I love it.

160 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:40:59pm

Not a fan of sauerkraut, either alone, or paired with hot dogs, felafel, or sauerbraten. However, hot dogs and cole slaw? Woo! I think it’s a texture thing - the crispy/tangy/creamy with the sharp of the hot dog and spicy brown mustard. That’s a perfect combo IMO.

161 freetoken  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:41:40pm

re: #157 Gus

But… does kitteh eat sauerkraut?

162 Gus  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:42:15pm

re: #159 klys

That anime is stupidly cutesy and adorable and I sort of hate that I love it.

I think the two thwacks with the right paw make it.

163 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:42:42pm
164 Lidane  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:42:49pm

Proving that the GOP don’t have a total monopoly on fail and stupid:

165 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:43:11pm

re: #162 Gus

Backspace, obviously.

166 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:43:40pm

re: #154 William Barnett-Lewis

Felafel is an acquired taste, but when it’s done right it’s soul/comfort food.

Fried to perfection, a bit of tahina, lettuce, cucumber, tomato (can be done as Israeli salad), and then schug/harissa (hot sauce) on a warmed pita.

167 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:44:05pm

re: #163 Pie-onist Overlord

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And when minimum wage laws go and unemployment still exists, then we’ll be told that people are too “fat and happy” on welfare and in order to get them out there working, why we gotta get rid of the safety net, because only when they have to work for a living will they accept the sort of pay being offered.

168 Bear  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:44:30pm

re: #157 Gus

And it is very helpfull when my cat sits on the keyboard

169 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:45:44pm

re: #156 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Soon:

Brazilian scientists discover a new species of centipede that lays its eggs in cabbage, where they lie dormant until they come into contact with human urine.

How did they figure that out? Is pissing on insects a normal science thing?

170 dog philosopher  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:45:54pm

re: #158 Pie-onist Overlord

What does a “frikadeller” sandwich contain? Apart from sweet pickle slices and rotkohl (red cabbage?)

a frikadeller is a danish meatball, generally fairly large for a meatball, containing breadcrumbs, and spiced with onions & i guess other stuff. the corresponding swedish meatballs are smaller, without breadcrumbs, and blander

it seems you can have them made out of fish but then they become ‘fiskadeller’

171 Amory Blaine  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:46:16pm

Shit is starting to rain on Scott Walker.

172 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:46:27pm

re: #147 Pie-onist Overlord

When I was in Israel I ate at a place that put sauerkraut on their falafel.

Hmm. Best falafel I ever had was from a street vendor in NYC. Had chickpea falafel on pita w/the best cucumber sauce I ever tasted. It was fabulous.

173 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:47:30pm

re: #171 Amory Blaine

Shit is starting to rain on Scott Walker.

I notice the roof seems to be caving in on virtually all of the GOP ‘16 hopefuls, one after the other. Delayed karma, perhaps?

174 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:48:05pm

re: #167 Targetpractice

Which is why Gap is voluntarily raising their starting wages, Walmart is now looking at increasing their minimum wage, and others are starting to get ahead of the curve. Gap is increasing their starting wages to $9 this year, and $10 next year.

Fact is that the higher wages will spur more spending by those folks, and reduce reliance on the safety net. Would it mean that government spending will be reduced overall? There’s going to be some offset with higher purchasing costs to governments and businesses, but the end result is that more people will be more well off than the current situation.

175 TedStriker  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:48:09pm

re: #150 Lidane

Holy fucking shit…some of these RWNJs really do fap to the notion of a gun-toting “warrior” Jesus, completely discarding the bulk of what the Bible says about him.

Talk about cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs…

176 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:50:32pm

So Bryan thinks that workers should be paid as little as employers can get away with, whether it’s enough to live on or not.

I am pretty sure that he is also in favor of doing away with all child labor laws.

177 Gus  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:50:47pm

178 Gus  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:51:00pm

Not mine.

179 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:51:29pm

re: #173 Targetpractice

I notice the roof seems to be caving in on virtually all of the GOP ‘16 hopefuls, one after the other. Delayed karma, perhaps?

They’ve all overplayed their hands, I think. Pushed the envelope too far. However you would like to phrase it.

180 Stanley Sea  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:51:55pm

I would love some liverwurst right now.

On rye. With onion. A little dab of mayo.

Don’t have it in the house, but I DO have the CA Pizza Kitchen Sicilian!!! lol.

181 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:52:22pm

re: #172 Justanotherhuman

Hmm. Best falafel I ever had was from a street vendor in NYC. Had chickpea falafel on pita w/the best cucumber sauce I ever tasted. It was fabulous.

There’s a shwarma joint in Berlin, near Görlitzer Bahnhof S-Bahn station that was sooooo good.

182 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:53:00pm

re: #174 lawhawk

Which is why Gap is voluntarily raising their starting wages, Walmart is now looking at increasing their minimum wage, and others are starting to get ahead of the curve. Gap is increasing their starting wages to $9 this year, and $10 next year.

Fact is that the higher wages will spur more spending by those folks, and reduce reliance on the safety net. Would it mean that government spending will be reduced overall? There’s going to be some offset with higher purchasing costs to governments and businesses, but the end result is that more people will be more well off than the current situation.

Companies like Costco have already shown that a well-paid workforce in a supportive work environment leads to growing sales and thus higher profits despite the mantra that higher pay means fewer jobs and higher prices. Meanwhile Wal-Mart has been getting its ass handed to it for months now due to low pay and downsizing making it impossible to keep shelves stocked. It was just reported today that they’re actually considering raising worker wages, though whether it’s out of recognition of their circumstances or simple publicity remains to be seen.

183 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:53:23pm

Venezuelan beauty queen Genesis Carmona, 22, fatally shot in head during protest

Genesis Carmona, who served as her state’s 2013 Miss Turismo, was shot in the head in the city of Valencia Tuesday. The 22-year-old died Wednesday afternoon, marking the fifth fatality during the country’s ongoing political turmoil.

184 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:53:59pm

re: #177 Gus

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He’s sad because that machine has Windows 8

185 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:54:01pm

re: #177 Gus

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“Why aren’t you paying attention to me?”

186 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:55:55pm

re: #171 Amory Blaine

Shit is starting to rain on Scott Walker.

Good. I hope that evil twit gets a shit vortex dumped on him.

187 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:56:03pm

re: #181 Dr Lizardo

L’as du falafel in Paris has great falafel, but their schnitzel is even better.
Here in NY, there’s a pretty good hummus joint in the Village, but good falafel is tougher to find. There’s a decent Middle Eastern place in the FiDi, but the falafel is just okay.

188 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:56:43pm

re: #171 Amory Blaine

Shit is starting to rain on Scott Walker.

Are they finally going to nail that corrupt SOB? I’ve been praying for that since he was in the assembly and I worked for the elections board. Little twit is more corrupt than Tommy Thompson and able to make a box of hammers seem the height of intellectual prowess. I’ve always figured it was his handlers that kept him out of prison much like Tommy’s DOA secretary did for him.

189 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:57:13pm

ThePeoplesCube=Maximum Derp

190 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:58:09pm

re: #189 Pie-onist Overlord

Any relation to the Time Cube?

191 Gus  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:58:11pm
192 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:58:15pm

re: #179 Justanotherhuman

They’ve all overplayed their hands, I think. Pushed the envelope too far. However you would like to phrase it.

Or it could really just be as simple as the media finally paying attention to feet of clay of the people whose asses they’ve been covering for since 2010.

193 Political Atheist  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:59:28pm

re: #177 Gus

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Where da mouse? Ya haz no mouse!

194 Gus  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 4:59:49pm
195 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:00:10pm

re: #188 William Barnett-Lewis

Are they finally going to nail that corrupt SOB? I’ve been praying for that since he was in the assembly and I worked for the elections board. Little twit is more corrupt than Tommy Thompson and able to make a box of hammers seem the height of intellectual prowess. I’ve always figured it was his handlers that kept him out of prison much like Tommy’s DOA secretary did for him.

At this point, even if Walker should manage to avoid his name on an indictment, he’s gonna be in the same boat as Christie: Trying to convince voters that he honestly did not know that he’d surrounded himself with a pack of shifty bastards. “I had no knowledge” is gonna be their mantra.

196 Amory Blaine  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:00:59pm
197 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:01:04pm

re: #191 Gus

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It’s usually a bad move to kill a celebrity, especially a young attractive one. I also understand that Venezuelans take great pride in their beauty queens. This is going to piss of a lot of people

198 TedStriker  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:02:04pm

re: #189 Pie-onist Overlord

ThePeoplesCube=Maximum Derp

IIRC, isn’t The People’s Cube a satire site?

199 Amory Blaine  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:02:05pm
200 Amory Blaine  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:03:12pm
201 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:04:20pm

re: #160 lawhawk

Not a fan of sauerkraut, either alone, or paired with hot dogs, felafel, or sauerbraten. However, hot dogs and cole slaw? Woo! I think it’s a texture thing - the crispy/tangy/creamy with the sharp of the hot dog and spicy brown mustard. That’s a perfect combo IMO.

I put coleslaw on pulled pork sandwiches.

And there is also the infamous Primanti’s sandwich

Feel the artery clogging while you eat it.

202 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:04:52pm

re: #161 freetoken

But… does kitteh eat sauerkraut?

One of my cats did.

203 Amory Blaine  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:05:45pm

re: #200 Amory Blaine

The Biggest Revelations from Scott Walker’s Really Bad Day

This link has links to the dump.

204 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:05:48pm

re: #195 Targetpractice

At this point, even if Walker should manage to avoid his name on an indictment, he’s gonna be in the same boat as Christie: Trying to convince voters that he honestly did not know that he’d surrounded himself with a pack of shifty bastards. “I had no knowledge” is gonna be their mantra.

Even that can backfire.

I mean, how many of them are going for that “I had no knowledge” bullshit until people start reminding them that denial is not just a river in Egypt?

Maybe people will start to say, hey, did we really elect that many dumb bastards?

205 Gus  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:06:02pm
206 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:06:44pm

re: #204 Justanotherhuman

The worst part of this whole affair is that they were investigating this prior to the 2010 election. Think things in Wisconsin might be different today if voters had known then what’s coming out now?

207 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:08:16pm

re: #187 lawhawk

L’as du falafel in Paris has great falafel, but their schnitzel is even better.
Here in NY, there’s a pretty good hummus joint in the Village, but good falafel is tougher to find. There’s a decent Middle Eastern place in the FiDi, but the falafel is just okay.

I know quite a few places in Kreuzberg; when I was living in Berlin, that was my neighborhood, the area around Kottbusser Tor. I lived on Waldemar Strasse.

208 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:08:23pm

re: #166 lawhawk

Felafel is an acquired taste, but when it’s done right it’s soul/comfort food.

Fried to perfection, a bit of tahina, lettuce, cucumber, tomato (can be done as Israeli salad), and then schug/harissa (hot sauce) on a warmed pita.

Almost a falafel, but you get the idea.

Pictured sandwich is not all falafel. One, and a nice round latke. The place in Philly also does a sandwich the same size with three falafel in it. Warmed pita, spoonful of hummus, harissa (if requested), cucumber, shredded cabbage, and a squirt of tahina into it as well.

209 Gus  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:08:35pm


Last Tweet.

210 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:09:17pm

re: #208 Feline Fearless Leader

Yeah, getting hungry just looking at it!

211 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:09:31pm

re: #206 Rev_Arthur_Belling

The worst part of this whole affair is that they were investigating this prior to the 2010 election. Think things in Wisconsin might be different today if voters had known then what’s coming out now?

Meanwhile one of the myths that wingnuts will be repeating for years is that the President “lied” about BENGHAZI!!! being about a video tape to avoid losing the election in a landslide.

212 Gus  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:09:53pm

Genesis Carmona

@Genesiscarmona

22 - Estudiante de 11vo Trim. De Mercadeo. Amable, pero no tonta! Apasionada de la vida ✌️

213 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:10:37pm

“Wind is a finite resource…”

That is now permantely burned on to my brain.
Thanks, Obama Alouette.

214 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:11:24pm

re: #206 Rev_Arthur_Belling

The worst part of this whole affair is that they were investigating this prior to the 2010 election. Think things in Wisconsin might be different today if voters had known then what’s coming out now?

Running against the Mayor? No difference up state - they’d just presume that as a Democrat he was even more corrupt. And unless he gets Blagojevich’d into a prison cell he’ll win again between the magic voting machines in Waukesha County and the DPW’s inability to find their asses with both hands.

215 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:11:59pm

And now the right wing is going to glom on to the WhatsApp deal as proof that wage inequality and the minimum wage is somehow undone:

216 Kragar  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:13:10pm

Had a jar I keep filled with simple green to use as acrylic paint thinner and stripper for my models. I noticed it had been a while and a lot had evaporated, so I decided to rinse out the jar. As I washed it out, I found 2 almond sized crystals had formed from the paint residue over the last few weeks.

Science is neat.

217 Gus  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:13:39pm
218 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:13:42pm

Damn it. Now I’m hungry. :(

219 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:14:41pm

re: #204 Justanotherhuman

Even that can backfire.

I mean, how many of them are going for that “I had no knowledge” bullshit until people start reminding them that denial is not just a river in Egypt?

Maybe people will start to say, hey, did we really elect that many dumb bastards?

Professing ignorance can actually be worse than malice, as Christie’s finding out by trying to argue that he had no idea the guy who he’d known for years was a snake would abuse the authority of a post that Christie created for him to engage in unethical acts.

220 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:14:55pm

re: #217 Gus

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What’s he ranting about now?

221 Gus  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:15:28pm

re: #220 Varek Raith

What’s he ranting about now?

Venezuela. He’s a freaking Chavista tool.

222 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:15:36pm

re: #214 William Barnett-Lewis

Well, that’s fucking depressing. I’d like to see him end up like Blago, if only to move closer to Illinois’ record of convicted governors.

223 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:17:19pm

re: #217 Gus

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Stoney’s never met a leftist dictatorship he hasn’t liked. Good on you for calling him out,

224 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:18:05pm

re: #217 Gus

Not stopping? It’s not the US that’s busy shooting and killing Venezuelans. It’s the Chavistas killing opposition and bystanders alike. They, like Assad, don’t tolerate dissent.

Except Assad’s killed more than 140,000 people in his war to remain in power.

225 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:18:32pm

re: #218 Feline Fearless Leader

Damn it. Now I’m hungry. :(

I am too. Had really relatively few protein between the chicken chunks I put in my mac and cheese and the ham in the scalloped potatoes. Tomorrow’s a work day though. Means a trip to the Banh Mi shop is in order.

226 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:19:31pm

Ah, so Oliver being his usual idiotic self.
What a moron.

227 dog philosopher  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:19:37pm

re: #224 lawhawk

Not stopping? It’s not the US that’s busy shooting and killing Venezuelans. It’s the Chavistas killing opposition and bystanders alike. They, like Assad, don’t tolerate dissent.

Except Assad’s killed more than 140,000 people in his war to remain in power.

this has been a bad month for the crazy suicidal hairless monkeys inhabiting planet terra

228 Gus  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:19:53pm
229 prairiefire  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:19:58pm

re: #194 Gus

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How awful.

230 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:21:04pm
231 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:21:40pm

re: #217 Gus

I don’t understand Stone’s tweet - what is the US supposed to be stopping?

232 dog philosopher  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:22:32pm

re: #230 Justanotherhuman

that’s where peter the great decisively defeated that crazy bastard charles the XII of sweden

233 Gus  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:22:58pm

re: #231 Charles Johnson

I don’t understand Stone’s tweet - what is the US supposed to be stopping?

I don’t know. Probably setting up the idea that the USA is going to intervene.

234 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:23:55pm

re: #233 Gus

I don’t know. Probably setting up the idea that the USA is going to intervene.

Probably wants us to stop the mean old protesters.
e_e

235 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:24:09pm

re: #221 Gus

Venezuela. He’s a freaking Chavista tool.

Oliver Stone and Sean Penn can go over to Cindy Sheehan’s house, have a drink and good cry when it’s all over.

236 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:24:17pm

re: #231 Charles Johnson

I don’t understand Stone’s tweet - what is the US supposed to be stopping?

Either that the US is going to intervene, or that it’s fomenting the protests against the Chavistas. I’m betting on the latter.

237 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:24:37pm

re: #233 Gus

I don’t know. Probably setting up the idea that the USA is going to intervene.

Because as far as I know the US hasn’t actually done anything, except to call on the Venezuelan government to respond to protests peacefully with negotiation. Did I miss something else?

238 Gus  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:25:06pm

re: #237 Charles Johnson

Because as far as I know the US hasn’t actually done anything, except to call on the Venezuelan government to respond to protests peacefully with negotiation. Did I miss something else?

You would be correct. Not much we can do anyway.

239 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:25:12pm

re: #232 dog philosopher

that’s where peter the great decisively defeated that crazy bastard charles the XII of sweden

The protestors will win this one, though; if not tonight, tomorrow.

Well, actually, it is tomorrow for them.

240 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:25:29pm

re: #235 Killgore Trout

Oliver Stone and Sean Penn can go over to Cindy Sheehan’s house, have a drink and good cry when it’s all over.

Isn’t Dennis Rodman in town???

241 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:25:43pm

re: #231 Charles Johnson

I don’t understand Stone’s tweet - what is the US supposed to be stopping?

The Guardian article is about US support for anti-democratic uprisings and coups in South American. He wants us to know it off.

242 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:26:16pm

re: #240 sattv4u2

Isn’t Dennis Rodman in town???

Not sure if he’s out of rehab yet.

243 dog philosopher  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:26:28pm

re: #239 Justanotherhuman

The protestors will win this one, though; if not tonight, tomorrow.

the whole thing is very inspiring, and i only wish i could believe that they will not end up defeated or at least disappointed one way or another in the end

244 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:26:39pm

re: #240 sattv4u2

Isn’t Dennis Rodman in town???

I thought Pyongyang was Dennis’s stomping crowd of choice these days not Caracas heh.

245 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:27:35pm

Now all we need is for a shirtless Putin to ride into Caracas on a polar bear.

246 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:27:42pm

re: #198 TedStriker

IIRC, isn’t The People’s Cube a satire site?

It’s a wingnut “satire” site, you know what their idea of “satire” is.

247 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:28:00pm

re: #244 HappyWarrior

I thought Pyongyang was Dennis’s stomping crowd of choice these days not Caracas heh.

interesting typo there heh.

248 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:28:18pm

Oh yeah, I forgot about Michael Moore
theguardian.com

249 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:28:52pm

re: #247 Rev_Arthur_Belling

interesting typo there heh.

hahaha good catch.

250 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:29:52pm

re: #245 Varek Raith

Now all we need is for a shirtless Putin to ride into Caracas on a polar bear.

Now that I’d pay to see.

251 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:31:46pm

OK, I read the stupid Guardian article. When did the US express support for “regime change” in Venezuela? Never, that’s when. This writer just extrapolates himself into a wild exaggeration in the course of a single paragraph:

An anonymous State Department spokesman was even clearer last week, when he responded to the protests by expressing concern about the government’s “weakening of democratic institutions in Venezuela”, and said that there was an obligation for “government institutions [to] respond effectively to the legitimate economic and social needs of its citizens”. He was joining the opposition’s efforts to de-legitimize the government, a vital part of any “regime change” strategy.

Oh please.

252 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:32:52pm

A democratic government that goes autocratic is no longer a democratic government, now is it?
Sheesh.

253 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:33:45pm

re: #251 Charles Johnson

OK, I read the stupid Guardian article. When did the US express support for “regime change” in Venezuela? Never, that’s when. This writer just extrapolates himself into a wild exaggeration in the course of a single paragraph:

Oh please.

“Anonymous ‘State Department/NSA/Government’ spokesman” = we just make shit up.

254 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:34:08pm

re: #251 Charles Johnson

OK, I read the stupid Guardian article. When did the US express support for “regime change” in Venezuela? Never, that’s when. This writer just extrapolates himself into a wild exaggeration in the course of a single paragraph:

Oh please.

See, this is why I’m not fond at all of the Guardian. They’ll rightfully criticize rightist dictatorships but they do all they can to be useful idiots for left wing ones. That quote doesn’t suggest a desire for regime change at all though I’m sure the State Department would want that in Venezuela so they’d have a rational actor to deal with rather than Maduro who seems quite wacky.

255 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:34:21pm

Typos galore!
Oy.

256 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:35:21pm
257 Stanley Sea  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:35:25pm

All I can say is the graphic posted today of Putin’s nipples blacked out made me spew at my desk.

TYVM

258 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:35:54pm

re: #252 Varek Raith

A democratic government that goes autocratic is no long a democratic government, now is it?
Sheesh.

Stop and think about that one for a second. These are people who idolize Vlad Putin, a man who only the truly gullible believed was powerless while Medvedev was president.

259 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:36:16pm

re: #256 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hummingbird? Man they always talk about how small they are. That really shows it.

260 GeneJockey  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:36:17pm

re: #176 Pie-onist Overlord

So Bryan thinks that workers should be paid as little as employers can get away with, whether it’s enough to live on or not.

I am pretty sure that he is also in favor of doing away with all child labor laws.

Oh, my, yes.

The employer owes his employee only enough compensation as will keep him from walking. The employee owes the employee his maximum effort at all times regardless of how poorly compensated he is.

For the employer, it’s a business arrangement. For the employee, a moral obligation. That’s how their minds work.

261 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:36:23pm

re: #243 dog philosopher

the whole thing is very inspiring, and i only wish i could believe that they will not end up defeated or at least disappointed one way or another in the end

These are very strong, determined people. They’re sick and tired of Yanukovych and his henchmen and their corruption. The average wage in Ukraine is around $410/mo—far less than most of them are worth and they’re a pretty intelligent lot overall, well educated for the most part, yet the govt pays the Berkut an average of $800/mo to keep people in fear and in line.

Even the politicians who are claiming them aren’t the strongest—and not completely trusted. The protestors don’t want to take down the govt so much as change it to a more democratic institution. Right now, it’s top heavy in the admin, with Yanukovych acting as dictator, and Parliament has little say in how the country is run. The protestors would be much happier with better and more representation and a reversal to more power in Parliament.

262 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:36:29pm

re: #251 Charles Johnson

Never? I’m guessing someone in the Bush administration would have been all-too-happy to see Chavez gone. Didn’t they support the failed coup attempt at one point? (apologies as my memory is a bit hazy from that far back).

263 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:37:12pm

re: #260 GeneJockey

Oh, my, yes.

The employer owes his employee only enough compensation as will keep him from walking. The employee owes the employee his maximum effort at all times regardless of how poorly compensated he is.

For the employer, it’s a business arrangement. For the employee, a moral obligation. That’s how their minds work.

People should just be happy to have jobs! Who cares what it pays, you’re working!

264 TedStriker  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:38:55pm

re: #246 Pie-onist Overlord

It’s a wingnut “satire” site, you know what their idea of “satire” is.

Now that you say that, I realized that no one here has made a favorable reference to them since before The Great Flouncing.

C’est la vie…

265 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:40:12pm

re: #262 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Never? I’m guessing someone in the Bush administration would have been all-too-happy to see Chavez gone. Didn’t they support the failed coup attempt at one point? (apologies as my memory is a bit hazy from that far back).

I’m talking about since the latest unrest began. The US response has been very measured, and nobody’s talking about regime change, just making fairly bland, standard diplomatic statements about refraining from violence, etc.

That’s what I’m objecting to in this article - it’s a hyperventilating piece about the “US support for regime change in Venezuela” that’s completely made up out of nothing.

266 TedStriker  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:40:28pm

re: #260 GeneJockey

Oh, my, yes.

The employer owes his employee only enough compensation as will keep him from walking. The employee owes the employee his maximum effort at all times regardless of how poorly compensated he is.

For the employer, it’s a business arrangement. For the employee, a moral obligation. That’s how their minds work.

Notice that the “moral obligation” only goes one way…

267 CuriousLurker  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:40:45pm

re: #237 Charles Johnson

Because as far as I know the US hasn’t actually done anything, except to call on the Venezuelan government to respond to protests peacefully with negotiation. Did I miss something else?

According to the Guardian article Stone links to it’s just concern trolling:

US support for regime change in Venezuela is a mistake
The US push to topple the Venezuelan government of Nicolas Maduro once again pits Washington against South America

When is it considered legitimate to try and overthrow a democratically-elected government? In Washington, the answer has always been simple: when the US government says it is. Not surprisingly, that’s not the way Latin American governments generally see it. […]

The Obama administration was a bit more subtle, but also made it clear where it stood. When Secretary of State John Kerry states that “We are particularly alarmed by reports that the Venezuelan government has arrested or detained scores of anti-government protestors,” he is taking a political position. Because there were many protestors who committed crimes: they attacked and injured police with chunks of concrete and Molotov cocktails; they burned cars, trashed and sometimes set fire to government buildings; and committed other acts of violence and vandalism.

An anonymous State Department spokesman was even clearer last week, when he responded to the protests by expressing concern about the government’s “weakening of democratic institutions in Venezuela”, and said that there was an obligation for “government institutions [to] respond effectively to the legitimate economic and social needs of its citizens”. He was joining the opposition’s efforts to de-legitimize the government, a vital part of any “regime change” strategy.

Of course we all know who the US government supports in Venezuela. They don’t really try to hide it: there’s $5m in the 2014 US federal budget for funding opposition activities inside Venezuela, and this is almost certainly the tip of the iceberg - adding to the hundreds of millions of dollars of overt support over the past 15 years. […]

theguardian.com

Gawd, do the Guardian reporters all like GG these days? *gag*

268 EPR-radar  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:42:23pm

re: #259 HappyWarrior

Hummingbird? Man they always talk about how small they are. That really shows it.

If you mistakenly regard a hummingbird that is flying near you as some kind of insect (as I’ve done a few times), its perceived size goes way up.

269 CuriousLurker  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:42:42pm

re: #265 Charles Johnson

That’s what I’m objecting to in this article - it’s a hyperventilating piece about the “US support for regime change in Venezuela” that’s completely made up out of nothing.

Yeah, you beat me to it.

270 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:42:47pm

re: #267 CuriousLurker

According to the Guardian article Stone links to it just concern trolling:

Gawd, do the Guardian reporters all like GG these days? *gag*

Count the wild leaps to unfounded conclusions!

271 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:43:49pm

re: #265 Charles Johnson

That’s what I’m objecting to in this article - it’s a hyperventilating piece about the “US support for regime change in Venezuela” that’s completely made up out of nothing.

Yeah, and I agree with that. The Obama administration has been incredibly measured in most of its diplomatic statements about various hot spots around the world.

But that hasn’t always been the case, and certain commentators seem to see the U.S. government’s approach as unchanging and always imperialist. I hope Obama’s administration has changed some of that, but it’s going to take a lot more work to unravel that perception. For some, like Oliver Stone, it might never happen.

272 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:45:30pm

If you have to miss 200 comments while you’re cleaning filthy bikes, it should be the 200 comments about catheters and sauerkraut.

273 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:46:03pm

re: #272 wrenchwench

If you have to miss 200 comments while you’re cleaning filthy bikes, it should be the 200 comments about catheters and sauerkraut.

I missed those!

274 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:46:35pm

re: #273 Charles Johnson

I missed those!

Don’t look up.

275 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:46:56pm

re: #270 Charles Johnson

Some of the Guardian’s data journalism and multimedia storytelling is really good. See, for instance, this story: Firestorm.

That said, most of their Comment is Free opinion stuff I find useless.

276 EPR-radar  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:47:33pm

re: #267 CuriousLurker

Idiocy. They are actually harming their own cause by blowing their credibility out of the water. Who’s going to believe basic stuff like the US dirty tricks relating to the coup in Chile that installed Pinochet with this kind of noise obscuring the real issues?

277 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:47:37pm

re: #252 Varek Raith

A democratic government that goes autocratic is no longer a democratic government, now is it?
Sheesh.

It’s disturbing that hundreds of Freepers say the same thing.

278 GeneJockey  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:48:00pm

re: #266 TedStriker

Notice that the “moral obligation” only goes one way…

Of course.

279 Amory Blaine  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:48:33pm

280 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:49:11pm

re: #271 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Yeah, and I agree with that. The Obama administration has been incredibly measured in most of its diplomatic statements about various hot spots around the world.

But that hasn’t always been the case, and certain commentators seem to see the U.S. government’s approach as unchanging and always imperialist. I hope Obama’s administration has changed some of that, but it’s going to take a lot more work to unravel that perception. For some, like Oliver Stone, it might never happen.

Well, not just in Venezuela but throughout Central and South America the US definitely has some unpleasant history, there’s no doubt. That’s one of the factors exploited by agitprop pieces like this one.

281 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:50:40pm

re: #253 Pie-onist Overlord

“Anonymous ‘State Department/NSA/Government’ spokesman” = we just make shit up.

I await the Greenwald tweet asking why the anyone would believe anything that was said by that “spokesman”. Oh, because it fit the narrative. Silly me.
///

282 GeneJockey  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:51:22pm

re: #276 EPR-radar

Idiocy. They are actually harming their own cause by blowing their credibility out of the water. Who’s going to believe basic stuff like the US dirty tricks relating to the coup in Chile that installed Pinochet with this kind of noise obscuring the real issues?

Seriously. My Aging Hippie brother speaks of Obama’s foreign policy as “Bush with a smile”, but then I suspect he’s always wanted to be something more exotic than American.

283 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:52:04pm

Start-Up Site Hires Critic of Wall St.

Matt Taibbi, who made a name as a fierce critic of Wall Street at Rolling Stone magazine, has joined First Look Media, the latest big-name journalist to leave an established brand to enter the thriving and well-financed world of news start-ups.

I wonder if Greenwald and Omidyar will hire anyone who will give some balance to their $250M future of journalism project?

284 Gus  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:52:35pm

re: #283 Charles Johnson

Start-Up Site Hires Critic of Wall St.

I wonder if Greenwald and Omidyar will hire anyone who will give some balance to their $250M future of journalism project?

Matt Taibbi will fit right in.

285 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:52:45pm

re: #260 GeneJockey

Oh, my, yes.

The employer owes his employee only enough compensation as will keep him from walking. The employee owes the employee his maximum effort at all times regardless of how poorly compensated he is.

For the employer, it’s a business arrangement. For the employee, a moral obligation. That’s how their minds work.

I’m sure Bryan in his next sermon will tell his parishioners to re-think how much they tithe based on the same approach.
///

286 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:53:52pm

What’s frustrating as already pointed out there are definitely legitimate criticisms of past U.S policy in the region. To me the Guardian is exploiting that and using that to condone autocratic methods by the Maduro government and that sucks.

287 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:54:23pm

Everything the wingnuts feared about gay marriage is coming true.

Bride Plans to Marry Her Bicycle

After 15 years together, Lisa Nelson has decided to marry Steel Spokes, her beloved bicycle. The next day, the Spokes shall depart on a six-month bicycle touring honeymoon. On March 2, 2014, the unusual couple will tie the knot in Pacifica, just South of San Francisco. The Hawaiian themed affair will have the bridesmaids dressed in hula attire, complete with a flower girl, and a ring-bearing pooch (also appropriately dressed). The wedding party and assorted guests will be on bicycle. The entourage plans to cycle along the ocean to the old Pacifica Courthouse for the marriage ceremony. A festive luau reception shall follow.

[…]

The bicycle marriage idea came to Lisa as a fundraising idea after reflecting on how many weddings and babies that she had helped fund. The project is posted on Indiegogo. In return for any support, the Spokes will provide an array of unique entertaining perks.

[…]

288 CuriousLurker  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:54:40pm

re: #276 EPR-radar

Idiocy. They are actually harming their own cause by blowing their credibility out of the water. Who’s going to believe basic stuff like the US dirty tricks relating to the coup in Chile that installed Pinochet with this kind of noise obscuring the real issues?

Yeah, it’s similar to the so called “counter-jihadists” like Geller et al—their constant paranoid ranting & fear mongering makes them sound like lunatics and distracts from very real problems/threats.

289 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:55:22pm

re: #287 wrenchwench

Everything the wingnuts feared about gay marriage is coming true.
>
Bride Plans to Marry Her Bicycle

[Embedded image]

All because we allowed consenting same sex couples to marry!

290 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:56:34pm
291 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:56:36pm

re: #288 CuriousLurker

Yeah, it’s similar to the so called “counter-jihadists” like Geller et al—their constant paranoid ranting & fear mongering makes them sound like lunatics and distracts from very real problems/threats.

Exactly. It’s actually the same tactic and response. You call this out and I’m sure you’d get called an imperialist lackey for the U.S government the same way Geller and Spencer call all their critics supporters of Jihad and sharia. There’s no such thing as nuance to people like this.

292 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:57:03pm

re: #287 wrenchwench

Oh come on - you gotta Page that!

293 Gus  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:57:21pm

A resistance pops up in Venezuela. Gee, what a surprise. And all people can think about is the USA. Guess those Spanish folks can’t think for themselves. They can only rise up when propped up by their superiors to the north. What an offensive line of thinking.

294 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:57:21pm

re: #283 Charles Johnson

Start-Up Site Hires Critic of Wall St.

I wonder if Greenwald and Omidyar will hire anyone who will give some balance to their $250M future of journalism project?

Balance? At this point they’d need Medea Benjamin, Phillis Schlafley and Angela Davis, for a start.

295 b.d.  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:57:52pm

re: #283 Charles Johnson

Start-Up Site Hires Critic of Wall St.

I wonder if Greenwald and Omidyar will hire anyone who will give some balance to their $250M future of journalism project?

Yet another white male hire for firstlook.

296 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:58:23pm

re: #286 HappyWarrior

What’s frustrating as already pointed out there are definitely legitimate criticisms of past U.S policy in the region. To me the Guardian is exploiting that and using that to condone autocratic methods by the Maduro government and that sucks.

Given a forced choice between leftist autocrats and rightist autocrats, I’ll go with the lefties.

Nostalgia.

297 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:58:27pm

re: #283 Charles Johnson

Taibbi too? Face/Palm

298 Gus  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:58:48pm

299 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:58:49pm

re: #292 Charles Johnson

Oh come on - you gotta Page that!

Eh, it’s just a goofy fundraiser, and she’s giving nude photos of herself (with and without the ‘groom’ as perks to donors. O:

Maybe later….

300 EPR-radar  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:58:57pm

re: #284 Gus

Matt Taibbi will fit right in.

If nothing else, there was a lot more actual damage from banking misbehavior than has been exposed so far by GG/Snowden.

So Taibbi scores relatively well for actually addressing real issues rather than imaginary issues.

301 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:59:14pm

re: #296 Decatur Deb

Given a forced choice between leftist autocrats and rightist autocrats, I’ll go with the lefties.

Nostalgia.

I dunno, that seems to be the choice between the Cromwelleans and Stuarts to think on English history. I think I’d just get out of Dodge in that case.

302 Stanley Sea  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:59:46pm

re: #287 wrenchwench

Everything the wingnuts feared about gay marriage is coming true.
>
Bride Plans to Marry Her Bicycle

[Embedded image]

after reflecting on how many weddings and babies that she had helped fund.

Yep.

303 b.d.  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:00:09pm

Having all of the dudebros in one place is supposed to make their voice louder?

304 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:00:38pm

re: #290 Charles Johnson

Interesting that Taibbi got his start writing at a Russian paper:

Taibbi joined Mark Ames in 1997 to co-edit the controversial English-language Moscow-based, bi-weekly free newspaper, The eXile. Of Exile, Taibbi said, “We were out of the reach of American libel law, and we had a situation where we weren’t really accountable to our advertisers. We had total freedom.”[citation needed]

305 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:00:58pm

re: #300 EPR-radar

If nothing else, there was a lot more actual damage from banking misbehavior than has been exposed so far by GG/Snowden.

So Taibbi scores relatively well for actually addressing real issues rather than imaginary issues.

This is true.

306 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:01:03pm

re: #293 Gus

A resistance pops up in Venezuela. Gee, what a surprise. And all people can think about is the USA. Guess those Spanish folks can’t think for themselves. They can only rise up when propped up by their superiors to the north. What an offensive line of thinking.

Yeah that’s what pisses me off about Western Chavistas. They think Venzuelans are too stupid to know what’s good for them. Patronizing as hell attitude. For what it’s worth, the best criticisms I saw of that regime came from Venezuelan liberals but to people like this, they’re “fascists.” *rolls eyes*.

307 b.d.  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:01:44pm

Who will be the next dudebro hire? Cenk Uygur?

Nah, he’s not white.

308 Gus  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:03:14pm

Hard to tell the difference between the foreign policy of the far-left and Ron Paul.

309 CuriousLurker  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:03:17pm

re: #283 Charles Johnson

Start-Up Site Hires Critic of Wall St.

I wonder if Greenwald and Omidyar will hire anyone who will give some balance to their $250M future of journalism project?

Wait—now GG is a “national security reporter”? Seriously, NYT?

First Look began its first publication, The Intercept, with the national security reporters Glenn Greenwald, Laura Poitras and Jeremy Scahill. […]

310 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:03:20pm

re: #287 wrenchwench

This reminds me of that documentary on Netflix about people who fall in love with inanimate objects. One woman was enamored of the Eiffel Tower.

311 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:04:18pm

Later, lizards.

312 GeneJockey  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:04:36pm

re: #306 HappyWarrior

Yeah that’s what pisses me off about Western Chavistas. They think Venzuelans are too stupid to know what’s good for them. Patronizing as hell attitude. For what it’s worth, the best criticisms I saw of that regime came from Venezuelan liberals but to people like this, they’re “fascists.” *rolls eyes*.

It’s black-and-white thinking: Chavez wasn’t a right-wing US puppet, so he was GOOD. Anyone protesting him must be a right-wing US puppet, and therefore BAD. Any criticism by the USG, no matter how well earned, is tantamount to sending in the CIA.

The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend.

313 EPR-radar  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:04:59pm

re: #309 CuriousLurker

Wait—now GG is a “national security reporter”? Seriously, NYT?

Let’s fix that for the NYT.

How about “Emitter of words relating to national security issues”?

314 TedStriker  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:05:34pm

re: #283 Charles Johnson

Start-Up Site Hires Critic of Wall St.

I wonder if Greenwald and Omidyar will hire anyone who will give some balance to their $250M future of journalism project?

re: #284 Gus

Matt Taibbi will fit right in.

More than you know:

Controversy and confrontation[edit]

In March 2001, as editor of the magazine The eXile, Taibbi burst into the office of New York Times Moscow bureau chief Michael Wines and threw a cream pie spiked with horse semen into his face, after Taibbi’s magazine had awarded Wines the title of “worst journalist” in Russia.[18]
In March 2005, Taibbi’s satirical essay, “The 52 Funniest Things About the Upcoming Death of the Pope”,[19] published in the New York Press, was denounced by Hillary Clinton, Michael Bloomberg, Matt Drudge, Abe Foxman, and Anthony Weiner. Subsequently, the editor who approved the column was fired.[20] Taibbi defended the piece as “off-the-cuff burlesque of truly tasteless jokes,” written to give his readers a break from a long run of hia “fulminating political essays.” Taibbi also said he was surprised at the vehement reactions to what he wrote “in the waning hours of a Vicodin haze”.[21]
Journalist James Verini, while interviewing Taibbi in a Manhattan restaurant for Vanity Fair, said Taibbi cursed and threw a coffee at him, and accosted him as he tried to get away, all in response to Verini’s volunteered opinion that Taibbi’s book, The Exile: Sex, Drugs, and Libel in the New Russia, was “redundant and discursive”.[22] Taibbi later described the incident as “an aberration from how I’ve behaved in the last six or seven years”.[23]
After the death of conservative commentator Andrew Breitbart, in March 2012, Taibbi wrote an obituary in Rolling Stone, titled “Andrew Breitbart: Death of a Douche”. Many conservatives were angered by the obituary, though Taibbi claimed that it was “at least half an homage,” claiming respect for aspects of Breitbart’s style but also alluding to Breitbart’s own openly derisive obituary of Ted Kennedy.
In June 2013, Taibbi and numerous other celebrities appeared in a video showing support for Bradley Manning.[24][25]

en.wikipedia.org

315 GeneJockey  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:05:48pm

re: #287 wrenchwench

Everything the wingnuts feared about gay marriage is coming true.
>
Bride Plans to Marry Her Bicycle

[Embedded image]

I’d have to be a polygamist.

316 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:08:02pm

re: #315 GeneJockey

I’d have to be a polygamist.

Planning to marry Schwinns?

317 CuriousLurker  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:08:17pm

re: #313 EPR-radar

Let’s fix that for the NYT.

How about “Emitter of words relating to national security issues”?

I mean, I guess it’s technically true, but it makes him sound too… legitimate. He’s such a thin-skinned drama lama—not what comes to mind when I think “national security reporter”, heh.

318 Gus  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:08:26pm

re: #314 TedStriker

More than you know:

en.wikipedia.org

I know. I was being polite.

319 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:08:27pm

re: #312 GeneJockey

It’s black-and-white thinking: Chavez wasn’t a right-wing US puppet, so he was GOOD. Anyone protesting him must be a right-wing US puppet, and therefore BAD. Any criticism by the USG, no matter how well earned, is tantamount to sending in the CIA.

The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend.

Nailed it. One of my good buddies from college unfortunately is like this. Super nice guy but man naive as it comes about the far left.. I mean thankfully he’s never praised the USSR or anything like that because that one is personal for me given that I had family in the Eastern bloc but I have to remind him that just because a regime talks about being “for the people” as Chavez’s often did doesn’t mean it actually cared about the people.

320 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:08:44pm

re: #316 Decatur Deb

Planning to marry Schwinns?

ouch
(but updinged)

321 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:09:08pm

re: #314 TedStriker

More than you know:

en.wikipedia.org

Sheesh I knew Taibbi could be a bit of an ass but cream pie with horse semen? That’s mature………

322 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:09:10pm

re: #317 CuriousLurker

thin-skinned drama lama

Drama llama. I like that. consider it stolen :)

323 Gus  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:09:23pm

324 EPR-radar  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:09:26pm

re: #317 CuriousLurker

I mean, I guess it’s technically true, but it makes him sound too… legitimate. He’s such a thin-skinned drama lama—not what comes to mind when I think “national security reporter”, heh.

“emitter of words” is technically true. ‘Reporter’, even in this decadent age, has connotations of professionalism I’m not willing to grant to GG.

325 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:10:28pm

re: #317 CuriousLurker

I mean, I guess it’s technically true, but it makes him sound too… legitimate. He’s such a thin-skinned drama lama—not what comes to mind when I think “national security reporter”, heh.

The problem isn’t ‘national security’, it’s ‘reporter’.

326 EPR-radar  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:10:33pm

re: #314 TedStriker

That is freaking irritating that one of the few to rail against the excesses of the big banks appears otherwise to be a nutball.

327 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:12:59pm

re: #326 EPR-radar

FWIW, Taibbi has been called out on some of his reporting by more serious economists in the past. His true “gift” is his way with words, and the fact that he’s about as close to Hunter S. Thompson as this generation of journalists has. He does good work sometimes, but seeing him throw in with Greenwald is kind of a disappointment.

328 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:13:25pm

re: #251 Charles Johnson

OK, I read the stupid Guardian article. When did the US express support for “regime change” in Venezuela? Never, that’s when.

The Obama administration never supported regime change, that’s true. But the roots of anti-US sentiment among the “chavistas” goes back to 2002, and George W. Bush.

On the other hand, the United States and Spain both rushed to acknowledge the (pro-US) Carmona forces as the de facto government but ended up choosing to condemn the coup once it became clear the plotters had been unsuccessful.

Shortly before 11 April, Alí Rodríguez Araque, a former guerilla and Chávez ally then serving in Vienna as the General Secretary of OPEC, heard of a potential oil embargo against the United States by Iraq and Libya, over US support for Israel. More importantly, he heard that “the United States was planning to prod a coup into action in Venezuela to head off any threat of embargo.”[37] Rodríguez Araque’s warning led Chávez to declare that he would not join such an embargo, and to secretly hide several hundred troops in Miraflores’ underground corridors, commanded by José Baduel.

The United States government immediately declared it’s support for the coup-installed regime, and blamed Chavez’ governments actions to have caused the events.[102] They also falsely stated that Chavez had resigned form presidency and dismissed his cabinet, and that security forces under his command had fired upon unarmed protesters.[103]

Upon news of Chávez’s return, Condoleezza Rice, National Security Advisor to US President George W. Bush, said, “We do hope that Chávez recognizes that the whole world is watching and that he takes advantage of this opportunity to right his own ship, which has been moving, frankly, in the wrong direction for quite a long time.”[104] Bush denied any involvement of the US government in the coup attempt and asked Chávez to “learn a lesson” from it.[105] Asked whether the administration now recognizes Mr. Chávez as Venezuela’s legitimate president, one administration official replied, “He was democratically elected,” then added, “Legitimacy is something that is conferred not just by a majority of the voters, however.”[106]

In 2009, former US President Jimmy Carter told Colombian newspaper El Tiempo that he believed that Washington knew about the abortive coup and may have been involved.[105]

Bush Administration officials acknowledged meeting with some of the planners of the coup in the several weeks prior to 11 April but have strongly denied encouraging the coup itself, saying that they insisted on constitutional means.[107] However, a Defense Department official who was involved in the development of policy towards Venezuela said the administration was sending a different message. “We were not discouraging people,” the official said. “We were sending informal, subtle signals that we don’t like this guy. We didn’t say, ‘No, don’t you dare,’ and we weren’t advocates saying, ‘Here’s some arms; we’ll help you overthrow this guy.’ We were not doing that.”

This may all be old news for us, just another regrettable pile of left over, Bush administration incompetence. However from the (admittedly blinder wearing) perspective of supporters of the current, democratically elected Venezuelan administration, this history is still very relevant.

329 dog philosopher  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:13:35pm

re: #311 wrenchwench

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Later, lizards.

i did actually once manage to get one of those collars firmly attached to ignatz

it didn’t take me long to regret it

it turns out boo-boos don’t need bandages after all oh what the hell

330 TedStriker  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:13:45pm

re: #326 EPR-radar

That is freaking irritating that one of the few to rail against the excesses of the big banks appears otherwise to be a nutball.

Which is a shame, because IIRC, he did a story on the subject during the OWS period and I thought it was really good and informative.

Oh well, c’est la vie…broken clocks and all that.

331 dog philosopher  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:14:01pm

re: #323 Gus

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jesus christ what the HELL IS THAT

332 Gus  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:14:28pm

re: #331 dog philosopher

jesus christ what the HELL IS THAT

Maduro

333 TedStriker  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:15:49pm

re: #331 dog philosopher

jesus christ what the HELL IS THAT

re: #332 Gus

Maduro

Put a beret and a military-style uniform on him and he’d look like Saddam…

334 TedStriker  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:17:27pm

re: #318 Gus

I know. I was being polite.

Tabbibi’s a classy guy, dontchaknow?

/barfs

335 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:18:13pm

re: #314 TedStriker

a cream pie spiked with horse semen

I am SO NOT BAKING that pie!

336 TedStriker  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:22:50pm

re: #335 Pie-onist Overlord

I am SO >NOT BAKING that pie!

[Horatio Caine]

Apparently, Matt Tabbibi likes his pies with a little…giddy-up.

[/Horatio Caine]

/YEAAAAAAAHHHHHH

337 Chrysicat  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:25:39pm
338 chadu  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:27:01pm

re: #18 Bulworth

That All The Updings pic is appropriate here.

339 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:27:50pm

re: #301 HappyWarrior

I dunno, that seems to be the choice between the Cromwelleans and Stuarts to think on English history. I think I’d just get out of Dodge in that case.

In a left wing autocracy, I’d be able to find a job. Possibly even be a dissident.

In a right wing autocracy, I’d be able to find a firing squad. As the guest of honor.

I think I’d rather prefer the job.

340 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:32:15pm

re: #337 Chrysicat

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Maduro’s election was fake? I can’t find any international observers who were there who support that conclusion. This kind of allegation is incredibly irresponsible, fueled by cognitive bias more than any real evidence of fraud. It’s the kind of utterly baseless claim Teabaggers make.

341 Chrysicat  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:33:02pm

re: #258 Targetpractice

Stop and think about that one for a second. These are people who idolize Vlad Putin, a man who only the truly gullible believed was powerless while Medvedev was president.

Well, not really; I’ve not seen much moonbat support for Putin, only wingnut and ‘moderate’ dudebro. The moonbats, OTOH, still think that ‘socialism’ (who are we kidding, it’s full-on Red Commienism in Venezuela) is such a superior ideology to anything that even smacks of conservatism that even a draconian dictatorship is to be supported if it espouses it. I’m honestly surprised they aren’t still backing ‘Best Korea’ too :-P

342 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:41:28pm
343 chadu  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:53:01pm

re: #175 TedStriker

Holy fucking shit…some of these RWNJs really do fap to the notion of a gun-toting “warrior” Jesus, completely discarding the bulk of what the Bible says about him.

Talk about cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs…

They’re rather listen to whacked-out mushroom dreams (or, allegorical commentary on the Church in Rome) from a dude who lived hundreds of years after Jebus than whacked-out hagiography from dudes who lived scant decades after the J-Man.

344 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 9:16:40am

re: #63 GeneJockey

Stopping off for Molotov cocktails after work?

I am so sorry I missed this last night.

lol


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