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I have always wanted to travel to New Zealand for as long as I can remember, and so when I decided to move out of my home of 10 years and start pursuing film making around the world, I knew the time had come. It was one of the hardest decisions I’ve ever made to leave my beloved home, but I was more ready than ever to embrace the unknown and explore the world. I spent 3 months in New Zealand traveling in a Camper Van having one of the most incredible times of my life. I enjoyed countless nights under the stars, towering mountains, magical rainforest, stunning ocean, and meeting people from all over the world. It changed my life forever, and I know I’ll never be the same.

Magical New Zealand is comprised of 8640 individual images from over 150,000 that were taken as I traveled around New Zealand for 3 months last spring. The inspirational music of Shaun Diaz is the perfect complement to this magical landscape. If you enjoy, please share!

This piece and footage clips from it are available for licensing at 4k and 1080p.

I originally created this piece with beautiful spoken poetry accompanying it. Recently I prepared this without the spoken word for my stock agency and since it has such a different feel I want to share it here as well. You can see the original piece here:
Oneness New Zealand

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479 comments

1 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 8:03:57pm

Lawrence O’Donnell tore Snowden a new one tonight. Greenwald & Co. are going to be pissed.

2 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 8:06:47pm

For all of the group’s Bioshock: Infinite fans:

Bioshock George Washington ‘Motorized Patriot’ action figure (VIDEO)

The Bioshock George Washington “Motorized Patriot” action figure has 20 points of articulation and seven articles of awesome.

The Bioshock series is a quirky, entertaining first-person-shooter that is loaded with Easter eggs, like the George Washington “Motorized Patriot.” This action figure comes with an interchangeable head, pepper mill Gatling gun, and two fabric flags of Columbia, Think Geek reports.

Image: 12a4_bioshock_infinite_george_washington_patriot.jpg

3 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 8:11:40pm

This is what happens when Time Warner Cable is forced to compete

All of the markets where Google Fiber is mulling an expansion are extra lucky: Not only could they soon have the option to sign up for Google’s super-fast fiber service but their incumbent ISP will probably step up its own game as well if Google decides to move into their territory. For further evidence, look no further than what Time Warner Cable is doing in Austin, Tex., one of the three markets where Google Fiber has been deployed so far.

Time Warner Cable announced on Thursday that it’s offering a new plan for its customers in Austin that will deliver speeds of up to 300Mbps, which the company says is six times faster than its current best offering.

4 Chrysicat  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 8:13:16pm

O/T (this early?!?):

Charles, whoever’s sending AT&T ads is doubling them up (in which case they cover whatever would be below them. Doesn’t matter if it’s the banner or the ad in between the story and the comments, either; they’re both doing it.)

They probably don’t even know it, either, and it’s only them…

5 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 8:18:18pm
6 Ryan King  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 8:29:33pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

I just read that earlier. He went Tea Party Sophisticate.

7 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 8:30:21pm
8 Stanley Sea  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 8:31:37pm

Several conservative bloggers repeated talking points given to them by a proxy group for the Ukrainian government — and at least one writer was paid by a representative of the Ukrainian group, according to documents and emails obtained by BuzzFeed.

9 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 8:31:50pm

Wow, Pajamas Media has really turned into a sewer.

10 Stanley Sea  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 8:32:02pm

JINX!!

11 The War TARDIS  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 8:34:31pm

Old news, but that incident involving an Indian Diplomat really changed my view of how we should diplomatically deal with India.

Also, some additional research did show 2 spots of hope for Pakistan. Though Nawaz Sharif, the ISI, and the Bhutto clan still suck.

12 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 8:37:01pm
13 The War TARDIS  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 8:38:08pm

re: #11 The War TARDIS

Not to mention, the likely victory of the BJP means that persecution of Muslims and Christians in India will escalate to very high levels.

Look what happened in the 2002 Gujarat Riots. Until proven otherwise, I will assume that Modi would allow attacks on Christians and Muslims to go on without stopping it.

14 allegro  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 8:39:18pm

Stanley Sea, I got an offer for you! Can you email me? (it’s about Rodney)

15 Stanley Sea  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 8:46:21pm

re: #14 allegro

Stanley Sea, I got an offer for you! Can you email me? (it’s about Rodney)

Allegro! It was you who made it!! I wasn’t sure.

You need to turn your nic blue? I can email you.

16 Stanley Sea  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 8:47:34pm

I saw your email. I’ll send you one now!

17 allegro  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 8:48:01pm

re: #15 Stanley Sea

Allegro! It was you who made it!! I wasn’t sure.

You need to turn your nic blue? I can email you.

I dunno how to turn my nik blue. LOL But I put my email address in my profile thingie.

18 Stanley Sea  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 8:49:54pm

re: #17 allegro

I dunno how to turn my nik blue. LOL But I put my email address in my profile thingie.

sent!

19 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 8:53:31pm
20 TedStriker  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 8:57:28pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Unfortunately, all you can do sometimes is turn your back, lest they drag you down with them.

It doesn’t hurt any less though.

21 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 8:58:46pm

Got my power back but now my iPad is almost dead.

22 The War TARDIS  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 9:01:56pm

re: #11 The War TARDIS

It’s astonishing how quickly India threw us under the bus for cheap political points. Especially when Khobragade was definitely in the wrong.

23 Ryan King  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 9:02:07pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Wow, Pajamas Media has really turned into a sewer.

Advocacy Blogging

24 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 9:02:17pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

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Yikes.

25 Lidane  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 9:07:46pm
26 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 9:13:11pm

re: #25 Lidane

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Yeah, that left a sour taste in my mouth when I read it. And yet, Florida’s legislature tonight just voted to expand SYG, despite all indications that it’s letting killers go free. How those responsible for this can sleep at night, I’ll never know.

Oh wait, I do: In very lavish houses bought with blood money.

27 chadu  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 9:19:26pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Youtube Video

28 Interesting Times  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 9:19:38pm

re: #25 Lidane

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Unpossible! Very Serious People™ writing for Very Serious Media™ assured us Stand Your Ground had no effect on the verdict.

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29 sagehen  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 9:25:13pm

Michelle Obama’s on Fallon tonight… gorgeous dress. Great hair and earrings.

30 Kragar  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 9:36:58pm

re: #29 sagehen

Michelle Obama’s on Fallon tonight… gorgeous dress. Great hair and earrings.

“AHA!” says the wingnuts who think Leno was forced off the air by Obama.

31 Kragar  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 9:50:50pm
32 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 10:04:12pm
For the first time since the U.S. initially became involved in Afghanistan in 2001, Americans are as likely to say U.S. military involvement there was a mistake as to say it was not.

Certainly the Iraq War totally fucked us. I remember reading Gary Bernsten’s Jawbreaker and being just amazed at how his requests for backup troops during the Battle of Tora Bora were denied due to all resources being dedicated to pre-stage for Iraq. If the Bush administration didn’t take their eye off the ball then Bernsten would have gotten the manpower he requested and Bin Laden most likely wouldn’t have made it across the border to Pakistan.

33 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 10:07:02pm

re: #32 goddamnedfrank

Certainly the Iraq War totally fucked us. I remember reading Gary Bernsten’s Jawbreaker and being just amazed at how his requests for backup troops during the Battle of Tora Bora were denied due to all resources being dedicated to pre-stage for Iraq. If the Bush administration didn’t take their eye off the ball then Bernsten would have gotten the manpower he requested and Bin Laden most likely wouldn’t have made it across the border to Pakistan.

Starting a new war before the old war is finished is not good tactics. I’m sure Lao Tzu had something to say about it.

34 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 10:22:09pm

re: #25 Lidane

Juror: Some on jury thought the killing of unarmed teen Jordan Davis was ‘justified

According to Stand Your Ground, all you need to do is to claim subjectively that you felt “threatened”. That is how the law is worded.

And it helps if you leave no living witnesses…

35 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 10:39:35pm

re: #34 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

According to Stand Your Ground, all you need to do is to claim subjectively that you felt “threatened”. That is how the law is worded.

And it helps if you leave no living witnesses…

Even with living witnesses, all you have to do is present a situation where the shooter “thinks” he might have been in danger and that’s it. And Dunn’s lawyer met that just by putting him up on the stand. Didn’t matter that Dunn was obviously lying out his ass, once he took the stand his version of events were entered into the record and the jury had to operate from the assumption that he’s telling the truth about his state of mind.

36 sagehen  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 11:01:43pm

Yet if Trayvonn had felt threatened by a guy following him (a guy who as it turned out actually had a gun and was looking to use it), or if Jordan had felt threatened by a guy who picked a fight with a parked car at a gas station (a guy who as it turned out actually had a gun and was looking to use it)… if Trayvonn or Jordan had stood their ground and shot the guys who they felt threatened by…

I think we all know the jury would convict them in a split second. And they’d be used as a data point for why Zimmerman and Dunn and whoever’s going to be next felt justified.

37 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 11:45:03pm
38 Lidane  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 11:45:04pm
39 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Thu, Feb 20, 2014 11:47:35pm

There was a time when I could begrudgingly respect Ted Nugent as an entirely idiosyncratic but principled and individualistic figure. But since 2008 he has really gone off the rails and it is fun to see how many GOP politicians coupled themselves to his loco-motive.

40 Lidane  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 1:04:11am

Wow. We might be seeing the start of a civil war in Ukraine:

41 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 1:21:27am

re: #40 Lidane

Wow. We might be seeing the start of a civil war in Ukraine:

Police from Lviv have arrived at maidan to declare themselves “on the side of the people.” Crowd shout “well done” and “where’ve you been.”]

“We have been taking steps to ensure our asses are covered!”

42 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 1:56:46am

This is not going to work. But they voted to turn down Russia’s $2B offer, also.


Yanuk must go now. He is not to be trusted.

43 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:06:35am
44 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:08:48am
45 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:18:33am

re: #44 Justanotherhuman

Kiev Protesters ‘Reinforcing Barricades’ Despite Talk of Deal

These people are quite literally keeping their asses covered…

46 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:31:45am

re: #45 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

Yes. Not just in Kyiv.


Someone commented, “deal with putin as if he were a member of the republican party.”

47 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:34:46am

The Russian bear’s huge paw in all this, too. Certainly not just all about Crimea, but it does have great importance to them.

48 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:41:48am


Any questions about why people want Yanuk out? He also declared 2/20 a “day of mourning” before setting snipers to firing on unarmed people on Maidan.

49 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:48:51am

re: #46 Justanotherhuman

Yes. Not just in Kyiv.


Someone commented, “deal with putin as if he were a member of the republican party.”

Well, he has already been made an honorary member of the Tea Party…

50 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:50:27am

From The Economist, an analysis entitled “Putin’s Inferno.”

Despite talk of a truce between some of the participants, the horror could yet get much worse. The bloodshed will deepen the rifts in what has always been a fragile, complex country (see article). Outright civil war remains a realistic prospect. Immediate responsibility for this mayhem lies with Viktor Yanukovych, Ukraine’s thuggish president. But its ultimate architect sits in the Kremlin: Vladimir Putin.

Goes on to say the West, meaning the USA and the EU, need to act tough and resist Putin’s attempts to absorb Ukraine into the Russian sphere of influence.

51 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:01:01am

re: #50 wheat-dogghazi

From The Economist, an analysis entitled “Putin’s Inferno.”

Goes on to say the West, meaning the USA and the EU, need to act tough and resist Putin’s attempts to absorb Ukraine into the Russian sphere of influence.

That is a bit of a simplification: as long as the Ukraine is dependent on Russia for energy and trade, and as long as a significant share of its population is of Russian origin, it will be within Russia’s sphere of influence, it is just a matter of how that influence is reflected in its economic and diplomatic policies.

52 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:19:13am

re: #51 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

That is a bit of a simplification: as long as the Ukraine is dependent on Russia for energy and trade, and as long as a significant share of its population is of Russian origin, it will be within Russia’s sphere of influence, it is just a matter of how that influence is reflected in its economic and diplomatic policies.

The world to Ukrainians is more than Russia. Have you been paying enough attention to this revolt?

53 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:22:47am

re: #52 Justanotherhuman

The world to Ukrainians is more than Russia. Have you been paying enough attention to this revolt?

Yes I have, but again, they get most of their energy from Russia, trade heavily with them and there is a substantial ethnic Russian minority living within their borders.

We have seen that both the Pro-Russian and opposition leaders are corrupt and incompetent, the main question is how the Ukraine can come up with a government that works for the benefit of its people and not just for themselves and the outside powers that bribe them.

54 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:25:49am

Elections would be held in Jan anyway. People want Yanuk out NOW.


I don’t think Yanuk gets to decide that.

55 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:41:07am

re: #53 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

Yes I have, but again, they get most of their energy from Russia, trade heavily with them and there is a substantial ethnic Russian minority living within their borders.

We have seen that both the Pro-Russian and opposition leaders are corrupt and incompetent, the main question is how the Ukraine can come up with a government that works for the benefit of its people and not just for themselves and the outside powers that bribe them.

Western Ukraine looks toward the EU, while the eastern half — and Yanukovych — look toward Russia for financial and political support. That’s the big problem there. It’s a house divided, with only one house in power. The Economist analysis says a coalition government might hold things together, but absent of any real support from the West, such a coalition would probably fail. What set off this turmoil was Yanukovych’s rejection of favorable trade terms with the EU, with Ukraine eventually joining the EC, in favor of closer economic and political ties with Russia. Many Ukrainians fear, rightfully so, that Ukraine would then once again be a satellite of Russia.

56 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:46:51am

re: #53 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

This is a good summary of events. economist.com

57 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:56:17am

Interesting piece. I don’t doubt that the Berkut are using young, untrained, unarmed, and expendable, men as “cannon fodder” to spare the others. We’ve already had one report I linked that reported on the police who were captured, their youth, their inexperience, their lack of equipment and supplies, and even food. In a country with high youth unemployment and low wages, it’s not surprising that you see young men volunteering for this without being fully informed by their recruiters.

Police camp outside parliament

kyivpost.com

58 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:56:30am

If you’ve ever worked in a creative field you’ve experienced this, the fucker who wants you to do some work for free. This is the best response I’ve ever seen to such a request.

59 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:59:12am

Even a September election isn’t soon enough.

60 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:03:29am

re: #58 goddamnedfrank

If you’ve ever worked in a creative field you’ve experienced this, the fucker who wants you to do some work for free. This is the best response I’ve ever seen to such a request.

Hahahaha. So British. : )

61 Flounder  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:11:35am

re: #58 goddamnedfrank

Reading his witty responses makes me wish I paid more attention in English class and writing class.

62 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:16:14am
63 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:18:52am

re: #54 Justanotherhuman

Elections would be held in Jan anyway. People want Yanuk out NOW.

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I don’t think Yanuk gets to decide that.

The Rada should begin impeachment proceedings against Yanukovych, immediately.

64 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:19:10am

re: #58 goddamnedfrank

If you’ve ever worked in a creative field you’ve experienced this, the fucker who wants you to do some work for free. This is the best response I’ve ever seen to such a request.

I’m enjoying reading his website. He’s written two books, one a NYT bestseller. I feel so out of touch …

65 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:21:31am

re: #54 Justanotherhuman

Here’s how it’s done, per Wikipedia.

In order to impeach the President, they must be convicted of treason to the state and other crimes. A two-thirds constitutional majority in the Verkhovna Rada (300 ayes) must support a procedure of impeachment for it to begin. A temporary investigative commission is established by the parliament for the impeachment investigation. The commission’s final conclusions are considered at a parliamentary meeting.

To adopt an impeachment resolution, a minimum two-thirds of the parliament must support the impeachment procedure. To remove the President from office, a minimum three-quarters of parliament must support the resolution. The Constitutional and the Supreme Court of Ukraine’s conclusions and decisions are considered at the parliamentary meetings. No President has been impeached from office to date.

Not easy, to be sure, but the Rada should nonetheless begin; given the current circumstances, they just might be able to pull it off.

66 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:25:39am

re: #60 Justanotherhuman

Hahahaha. So British. : )

Actually, Australian.

Edhouse: au.linkedin.com

David Thorne is a comedian/humorist: en.wikipedia.org

Actually, seemed to be a set-up, but brilliant. : )

67 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:30:32am

re: #65 Dr Lizardo

Here’s how it’s done, per Wikipedia.

Not easy, to be sure, but the Rada should nonetheless begin; given the current circumstances, they just might be able to pull it off.

Agree, if they could pull it off. Timing is everything. To rid themselves of Yanuk would be a huge relief so they could get on with other business.

68 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:33:55am

Oh hell, it may be on again.

69 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:38:19am

re: #66 Justanotherhuman

Actually, Australian.

Edhouse: au.linkedin.com

David Thorne is a comedian/humorist: en.wikipedia.org

Actually, seemed to be a set-up, but brilliant. : )

I suspect most of it he writes himself, riffing on whatever reply or request someone has sent him. He’s from Adelaide, and typical of Ozzies, pretends to ridicule his hometown.

27bslash6.com

Image: adelaide_home.jpg
Average Adelaide home

70 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:40:40am

re: #69 wheat-dogghazi

I suspect most of it he writes himself, riffing on whatever reply or request someone has sent him. He’s from Adelaide, and typical of Ozzies, pretends to ridicule his hometown.

27bslash6.com

Image: adelaide_home.jpg
Average Adelaide home

So Adelaide is the Alabama of Australia?

71 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:49:11am

Christopher Miller ‏@ChristopherJM 4m

False alarm on Institutska St. Fireworks mistaken for flash grenades. All is mostly calm on and near Maidan.

72 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:54:56am
73 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:54:57am

re: #70 Pie-onist Overlord

So Adelaide is the Alabama of Australia?

Actually, no…

Suburban type housing: Image: 800px-1967_Adelaide_Dutch_Colonial_House.jpg

Terraced housing: Image: 800px-Adelaide-NthTce-EastEnd-TerraceHouses-Aug08.jpg

It’s just like any other city with over 1M inhabitants.

74 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:55:16am

WTFITS
Putin buying Twitter accounts to spam propaganda to right-wing hashtags.

75 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:56:38am

re: #70 Pie-onist Overlord

So Adelaide is the Alabama of Australia?

I’m not sure. Never been to Oz, but hope to visit soon since I’m sorta in the neighborhood. Just eight hours from Hong Kong, compared to 20+ from New York.

However, it is on the southern coast. So maybe it’s the Pensacola of Australia.

76 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:57:29am

Most Automaidans would probably say Yanuk has no say in the matter.

77 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:57:42am
78 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:58:43am
79 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:59:35am
80 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:00:44am
81 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:01:35am
82 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:02:56am

re: #81 NJDhockeyfan

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It’s how the oligarchs got rich, selling off their country for Russia’s gain.

83 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:07:40am
84 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:09:34am

re: #82 Justanotherhuman

It’s how the oligarchs got rich, selling off their country for Russia’s gain.

Which makes me wonder if Yanukovych can hang on until Monday will Putin roll troops?

85 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:10:57am

Good morning Lizards!
Heavy fog today in Philadelphia so far. Will probably clear out when the temp goes over 50F and the thunderstorms start rolling in.

nbcnews.com

A WWII MoH recipient who landed on Omaha Beach died. Age 92.

He has a Wikipedia page that includes his MoH citation text:
en.wikipedia.org

86 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:12:03am

Amazing drop from over 250K watching EspresoTV during the height of the clashes and today, when negotiations are going on, to less than 60K.

Youtube Video

People would rather watch violence. Says a lot about us as a species.

87 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:12:27am
88 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:14:41am

re: #86 Justanotherhuman

Amazing drop from over 250K watching EspresoTV during the height of the clashes and today, when negotiations are going on, to less than 60K.

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People would rather watch violence. Says a lot about us as a species.

It’s not so much the violence as much as it’s the ability to watch history unfold before your eyes while you sit on the couch.

89 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:15:54am

I wish they had english subtitles so we could see what he is saying.

90 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:17:22am

re: #85 Feline Fearless Leader

Good morning Lizards!
Heavy fog today in Philadelphia so far. Will probably clear out when the temp goes over 50F and the thunderstorms start rolling in.

nbcnews.com

A WWII MoH recipient who landed on Omaha Beach died. Age 92.

Soon those folks will be as rare as WWI vets. The last Civil War vet died in 1956:

en.wikipedia.org

A mentally disabled child of a Civil War veteran is still receiving benefits.

dailymail.co.uk

91 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:21:18am

re: #26 Targetpractice

Yeah, that left a sour taste in my mouth when I read it. And yet, Florida’s legislature tonight just voted to >expand SYG, despite all indications that it’s letting killers go free. How those responsible for this can sleep at night, I’ll never know.

Oh wait, I do: In very lavish houses bought with blood money.

What the legislature actually voted to do was amend the ‘10-20-Life’ law to say that someone in justifiable danger could fire warning shots without be prosecuted for aggravated assault with a gun and then sent to prison for 20 years.

The amendment was passed to deal with the outcome of the Marissa Alexander case, which pretty much everyone feels was unjust. The change in the law also includes a provision that will cause the charges against Alexander herself to be dropped, and will free others who were convicted for doing what she did.

92 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:24:37am

re: #87 NJDhockeyfan

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Really? From 112 UA in Russian?

112.ua

93 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:26:14am

And on with the Friday workday…

Welcome!

94 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:26:15am

re: #92 Justanotherhuman

Really? From 112 UA in Russian?

112.ua

Not only that, but posted by this idiot?

twitter.com

95 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:26:21am
96 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:28:32am

Know who these people are.

97 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:34:22am
98 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:36:42am
99 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:36:57am

re: #96 Justanotherhuman

Know who these people are.

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That one is a classic America-hater, with a side order of “BOYCOTT TEH EBBBILL JUICE!!1.

100 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:41:16am

re: #96 Justanotherhuman

Know who these people are.

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Sorry about that. One slipped in on me. Is she an Alex Jones fan?

101 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:41:40am

Details, please. And how will it go over with those waiting on results?

102 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:42:04am

It only just occurred to me that there are JUICE IN UKRAINE.

Hope they are all OK. Ukrainian history is full of horrific pogroms.

103 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:43:23am

re: #101 Justanotherhuman

Details, please. And how will it go over with those waiting on results?

Given that those in the square have been paying in blood over the last few days I would believe that any deal that leaves Yanuk in place as President is not going to go over well.

104 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:43:56am

re: #102 Pie-onist Overlord

It only just occurred to me that there are JUICE IN UKRAINE.

Hope they are all OK. Ukrainian history is full of horrific pogroms.

Yeah…..I have my doubts about the Svoboda Party; they seem like a right bunch of kooks.

en.wikipedia.org

105 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:44:43am

Play the Putin Gay Dress-up game!

Lol

108 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:08:23am

re: #106 Pie-onist Overlord

re: #107 Pie-onist Overlord

Pathological hatred is a wretched thing.

109 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:09:32am

re: #108 Dark_Falcon

Pathological hatred is a wretched thing.

TOP HATES TRENDING ON TCOT:

OBAMA
TEH POORS
TEH BLAHS
LIBTARDS!!!!
TEH JUICE

110 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:13:56am

re: #102 Pie-onist Overlord

It only just occurred to me that there are JUICE IN UKRAINE.

Hope they are all OK. Ukrainian history is full of horrific pogroms.

From what I’ve been reading, I’m worried for them. Though the propaganda being pushed to the west describes the opposition as Fascists, the propaganda for local consumption describes them as Jews. It makes for another important reason for the current government to fall.

111 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:14:18am
112 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:15:28am

re: #110 William Barnett-Lewis

From what I’ve been reading, I’m worried for them. Though the propaganda being pushed to the west describes the opposition as Fascists, the propaganda for local consumption describes them as Jews. It makes for another important reason for the current government to fall.

It’s interesting and distressing at the same time how common the “playbook” is for these groups across the globe. Says a lot about how homo sapiens is manipulated in the same fashion regardless of location on the globe.

113 Chrysicat  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:16:44am
114 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:21:50am

re: #112 Feline Fearless Leader

It’s interesting and distressing at the same time how common the “playbook” is for these groups across the globe. Says a lot about how homo sapiens is manipulated in the same fashion regardless of location on the globe.

But it’s also interesting that in wanting to express themselves more towards the EU, Ukrainians will perhaps get past the horrors of WWII and the Russian occupation/influence sphere and go on to recognize the potential of real democracy for all who live there.

115 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:27:07am

re: #114 Justanotherhuman

But it’s also interesting that in wanting to express themselves more towards the EU, Ukrainians will perhaps get past the horrors of WWII and the Russian occupation/influence sphere and go on to recognize the potential of real democracy for all who live there.

It’s “wait and see” mode if this deal goes through. Will have to see who learns more and faster from the lessons of this go round. The protester side will have seen that they can force change through demonstration and perserverence. The autocrats have perhaps learned that they need to go into the dirty tricks bag and also consider triggering the bloody crackdown sooner before it starts to get out of hand.

And I think recent events have probably polarized the Ukraine itself as well. And I don’t have enough knowledge or information to a have an opinion on whether a further partition or federalization would prove beneficial.

116 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:27:09am

re: #114 Justanotherhuman

But it’s also interesting that in wanting to express themselves more towards the EU, Ukrainians will perhaps get past the horrors of WWII and the Russian occupation/influence sphere and go on to recognize the potential of real democracy for all who live there.

I wish I could share your optimism…I fear it will take generations to overcome the endemic corruption and twisted view of history that still plagues most of the former Eastern Bloc…

117 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:30:36am

How TCOT looks at the Ukraine situation:

SOROS=TEH JUICE

118 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:32:42am

re: #117 Pie-onist Overlord

How TCOT looks at the Ukraine situation:

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SOROS=TEH JUICE

How one person on #tcot sees it.

BBL

119 Ian G.  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:34:23am

Speaking of New Zealand, would you believe that country’s largest city is literally built on top of a volcano?

en.wikipedia.org

I dunno. I guess it’s not the type of volcano that goes up in a cataclysmic eruption, but still. Some day, someone is going to find lava seeping up through his basement, and some of the city is going to have to be evacuated.

Yes, “One Tree Hill”, made famous by U2 and the TV show, is a volcanic cone.

120 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:35:00am

How was the 2004 Constitution of Ukraine changed?

121 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:35:08am

re: #117 Pie-onist Overlord

How TCOT looks at the Ukraine situation:

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SOROS=TEH JUICE

I was in a “discussion” with one of the usual conservative suspects on NPR yesterday and he was convinced that Soros is a Communist and reality was not going to change his mind.

The other big thing in his fantasy world was that Soros makes his money by causing currencies to collapse, especially the Pound Sterling and the US Dollar. Yeesh…

122 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:35:56am

re: #119 Ian G.

Speaking of New Zealand, would you believe that country’s largest city is literally built on top of a volcano?

en.wikipedia.org

I dunno. I guess it’s not the type of volcano that goes up in a cataclysmic eruption, but still. Some day, someone is going to find lava seeping up through his basement, and some of the city is going to have to be evacuated.

Yes, “One Tree Hill”, made famous by U2 and the TV show, is a volcanic cone.

I bet volcano insurance is right popular out there.

123 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:36:43am

re: #116 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

I wish I could share your optimism…I fear it will take generations to overcome the endemic corruption and twisted view of history that still plagues most of the former Eastern Bloc…

Everything takes time. I thought when I was a young woman that racism would not be so prevalent in the US 50 yrs on, either.

Culture shock for me, after some years, even in the south, of relatively good race relations which, in retrospect, could have only been on the surface, although not entirely.

When people are doing well in their own spheres, when they feel relatively secure, they can be far more generous to those unlike themselves—that’s pretty much always been the case in every society. At best, we have a long way to go all over the globe in accepting “The Other” and sometimes it’s 2 steps forward and 1 step back, or worse.

Yes, it will take time—it always does, to change hearts and minds.

124 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:36:47am

re: #121 William Barnett-Lewis

I was in a “discussion” with one of the usual conservative suspects on NPR yesterday and he was convinced that Soros is a Communist and reality was not going to change his mind.

The other big thing in his fantasy world was that Soros makes his money by causing currencies to collapse, especially the Pound Sterling and the US Dollar. Yeesh…

The wingnuts don’t seethe about Soros as much as they did before 2008, maybe because Koch money is so much more conspicuous.

125 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:38:35am
126 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:39:25am

Parliament is back in session.

Youtube Video

Klitschko up now. Wish I spoke the language.

127 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:42:09am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I’ve been following the situation in Ukraine and saw headlines that there’s some kind of a deal in place for early elections. We’ll see if that has the desired effect in deescalating the fighting. I have my doubts as the situation passed the breaking point when the government security forces opened fire on the protesters with live ammo.

There isn’t a lot of trust there, but the situation could get a whole lot worse.

I’m also of a mixed opinion about those involved in the protests too. There are links with anti-Semitic groups, though the current government isn’t any better.

The most controversial element of the anti-government alliance is Svoboda (Freedom), an extreme right-wing political party that not only has representation in parliament, but has been dubbed by its critics as a neo-Nazi organization. Britain’s Channel 4 News reported that Svoboda has assumed a “leading role” in the street protests in Kiev, with affiliated paramilitary groups prominently involved in the disturbances. Svoboda flags and banners have been featured in the demonstrations at Kiev’s Independence Square. During the continuing street riots, one Svoboda MP, Igor Myroshnychenko, created an iconic moment of sorts when he allegedly helped to topple the statue of Vladimir Lenin outside a government building, followed by its occupation by protesters.

However, despite its extremist rhetoric, Svoboda cannot be called a “fringe” party - indeed, it currently occupies 36 seats in the 450-member Ukrainian parliament, granting it status as the fourth-largest party in the country. Further, Svoboda is linked to other far-right groups across Europe through its membership in the Alliance of European National Movements, which includes the British National Party (BNP) of the United Kingdom and Jobbik, the neo-fascist, anti-Semitic and anti-Roma party of Hungary. The leader of Svoboda, Oleh Tyahnybok, who has appeared at the Kiev protests, has a long history of making inflammatory anti-Semitic statements, including the accusation during a 2004 speech before parliament that Ukraine is controlled by a “Muscovite-Jewish mafia.” Miroshnychenko also called the Ukrainian-born American film actress Mila Kunis a “dirty Jewess.”

Tyahnybok has also claimed that “organized Jewry” dominate Ukrainian media and government, have enriched themselves through criminal activities and plan to engineer a “genocide” upon the Christian Ukrainian population. Another top Svoboda member, Yuriy Mykhalchyshyn, a deputy in parliament, often quotes Nazi Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels, as well as other Third Reich luminaries like Ernst Rohm and Gregor Strasser.It’s got the potential for bad things for Jews living in Ukraine either way. When you’ve got both sides more than willing to blame the Jews for the ongoing violence, that’s a sign that it’s about to get a whole lot worse for folks who have historically been scapegoated there.

That all follows a series of attacks at the end of last year and the beginning of 2014 against Jews. There’s also a sense that the current government may be initiating attacks against Jews so that they can blame the results on the EuroMaidan and Svaboda.

In November, when the “Euromaidan” protests first began in Kiev’s Independence Square in opposition to Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych’s decision to freeze plans to join a free trade agreement with the European Union, some Ukrainian-Jewish leaders had canceled events out of fear that Jews may be targeted, especially since the ultra-nationalist Ukrainian political opposition party Svaboda, which is viewed as an anti-Semitic and neo-Nazi group by various Jewish organizations, was participating in the protests. But there was little indication of anti-Semitism among protesters at the time.

Given the two recent violent attacks on Jews, there are some who suggest that “some pro-governmental forces are behind the attacks in order to then blame the nationalists and ultra-nationalist groups associated with Maidan protesters to denounce their legitimacy,” Kliger told JNS.org.

128 Chrysicat  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:42:14am

re: #125 NJDhockeyfan
That sounds like Yanuk holds power for almost a whole year, during which time he gets to keep steering closer and closer to Russia. No way the Maidan accepts that.

129 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:43:29am

Agreement on settlement of crisis in Ukraine (English)

Document does not like me. : (

130 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:43:33am

Cherry Pie

131 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:45:33am

Blueberry Pie

132 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:46:30am

re: #128 Chrysicat

That sounds like Yanuk holds power for almost a whole year, during which time he gets to keep steering closer and closer to Russia. No way the Maidan accepts that.

They’ve been saying nothing short of him stepping will end the protests. Who is representing them at the negotiations?

133 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:47:01am
134 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:47:04am

re: #130 NJDhockeyfan

I wish you could send me some through the intertubes. They look sooo good!

135 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:49:54am

Pic won’t change from the cherry pie.

136 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:50:28am

So, locally, we had the Christie town hall yesterday and the predictable blaming of the feds for the slow rebuilding process. That’s inevitable, even when the red tape isn’t the result of the feds but because some localities and individuals/businesses try to rip off the process. Fraud and graft are one of the reasons for the very rules they’re complaining about.

But something that was in Christie’s control got a pass yesterday. The state’s missed a deadline for a $7.6 million grant for Obamacare advertising of the marketplace.

The state’s proposal to use the money to support Medicaid enrollment, rather than insurance enrollment through the new, subsidized federal marketplace, was not acceptable, federal officials said.

The state has long sought approval to use the grant to add operators at a call center that handles questions from people about Medicaid; to track people with chronic infectious diseases, such as HIV, and advise them of their insurance options when they fall out of insurance; and to improve the computer connectivity between the federal healthcare.gov web site and New Jersey Medicaid, Kobylowski’s letter said.

But those “common-sense” proposals have been rejected, according to the letter Kobylowski sent Wednesday and released Thursday.

Echoing the Republican critique of the health care law, Kobylowski wrote that the federal government’s denials of New Jersey’s requests highlight “a fundamental flaw of the Affordable Care Act, which is that when it comes to regulating health insurance markets, one size does not fit all states.

No, it shows that the GOP wants to undermine the efficiency of the Obamacare proposals, and ignores the millions nationally who are benefiting from signing up.

137 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:50:32am

WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?

138 Internet Tough Guy  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:50:39am

re: #125 NJDhockeyfan

Euromaidan just got sold down the river, if this is true.

139 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:51:26am

The only people who seem to be happy about this “deal” are the negotiators and signatories.

140 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:53:13am

And of course, there’s Venezuela’s ongoing protests:

141 chadu  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:53:19am

re: #133 Pie-onist Overlord

Image: 101.gif

142 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:55:23am

Looks like Parliament just approved the deal. Now they have to deal with constituents.

143 Internet Tough Guy  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:55:47am

re: #139 Justanotherhuman

Well of course they are; the gas keeps flowing after all.

“Fuck the EU” indeed.

144 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:55:59am

re: #137 Pie-onist Overlord

WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?

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Better yet, place five veterans at every school, that means that statistically, one of them will suffer from PTSD…

What could go wrong?

145 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:56:23am

re: #135 NJDhockeyfan

Pic won’t change from the cherry pie.

And your cherry pie pic turned into one of a piece of apple pie. It seems that you have annoyed the Pie Gods. Prepare for your imminent doom.

146 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:57:53am

re: #139 Justanotherhuman

The only people who seem to be happy about this “deal” are the negotiators and signatories.

How soon until Yanuk alters the deal and tells them to pray that he does not alter it any further?
//

147 iossarian  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:57:55am

re: #137 Pie-onist Overlord

I personally would love to see a fully-armed, otherwise unemployed Afghanistan war veteran taking care of security in my children’s elementary school.

Seriously, this is the stuff of nightmares.

148 iossarian  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 6:58:49am

“PUT THE SPITBALL DOWN MOTHERFUCKER”

150 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:00:42am

re: #146 Feline Fearless Leader

Darth Yanuk.

This is actually important - the Rada has voted to restore the 2004 Constitution; this takes away a good deal of Yanukovych’s power and restores it to the Rada.

151 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:01:34am
152 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:01:47am

re: #147 iossarian

I personally would love to see a fully-armed, otherwise unemployed Afghanistan war veteran taking care of security in my children’s elementary school.

Seriously, this is the stuff of nightmares.

Nothing like having a combat-ready hall monitor on duty to keep those kids in line.

153 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:03:16am

re: #136 lawhawk

NYT reports that Christie “snapped” at one of his questioners in the audience who had the temerity to challenge the Gov. Can anyone imagine the response if, heaven forbid, Obama had “snapped” at a citizen somewhere in Amercia? Why is Obama SO ANGRY?!?!!? Angry blah man!!1

154 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:03:58am

OK, Parliament appears to be voting on the “deal” on a point by point basis. Approved return to 2004 Constitution and now, blanket amnesty for “all Euromaidan” participants. Does that mean police, too?

155 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:04:55am
156 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:06:34am

re: #153 Bulworth

NYT reports that Christie “snapped” at one of his questioners in the audience who had the temerity to challenge the Gov. Can anyone imagine the response if, heaven forbid, Obama had “snapped” at a citizen somewhere in Amercia? Why is Obama SO ANGRY?!?!!? Angry blah man!!1

They love it when Christie gets snappy at reporters, teachers, etc. Obama shows the slightest sign of irriration with right wing bullshit and it’s OBAMA’s RAGE AGAINST WHITE PEOPLE AND ANGER OVER SLAVERY. It’s a load of racist double standard shit. Christie’s an asshole. I look forward to seeing him being just a footnote.

157 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:06:49am

re: #154 Justanotherhuman

OK, Parliament appears to be voting on the “deal” on a point by point basis. Approved return to 2004 Constitution and now, blanket amnesty for “all Euromaidan” participants. Does that mean police, too?

It should include the police, who were following orders, but not necessarily those who ordered them to shoot.

158 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:08:39am

re: #156 HappyWarrior

Yeah. The crowd apparently gave Christie a going over this time, though. Lots of unhappy folks not buying his schtick.

159 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:09:40am

re: #153 Bulworth

NYT reports that Christie “snapped” at one of his questioners in the audience who had the temerity to challenge the Gov. Can anyone imagine the response if, heaven forbid, Obama had “snapped” at a citizen somewhere in Amercia? Why is Obama SO ANGRY?!?!!? Angry blah man!!1

Not snapping at people in public is a necessary qualification to be president. It’s not presidential, as they say.

160 darthstar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:10:12am
161 darthstar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:10:44am
162 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:11:21am

From Wikipedia regarding the 2004 Ukrainian Constitution - amendments were passed at that time that rolled back a lot of the powers of the Presidency. Such as:

The 2004 amendments weakened the power of the President of Ukraine; she/he lost the power to nominate the Prime Minister of Ukraine and this became the task of the parliament solely. The President could only appoint the Minister of Defence and Foreign Minister. The President also lost the right to dismiss members of the Cabinet of Ukraine but gained the right to dissolve parliament. If no coalition in parliament could be formed to appoint a Prime Minister the President would have no choice but to call new parliamentary elections.

By going back to this, Yanukovych has lost some important powers. While it doesn’t reduce him to, let’s say, a purely ceremonial position, it does put some significant curbs on him.

163 iossarian  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:12:03am

re: #152 wheat-dogghazi

Nothing like having a combat-ready hall monitor on duty to keep those kids in line.

Seriously. I’ve seen enough yelling at kids by otherwise sweet middle-aged women in elementary schools to know that you don’t want to put even the cleanest, least-depressed ex-grunt within a country mile of that situation.

164 Chrysicat  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:12:51am

re: #156 HappyWarrior

They love it when Christie gets snappy at reporters, teachers, etc. Obama shows the slightest sign of irriration with right wing bullshit and it’s OBAMA’s RAGE AGAINST WHITE PEOPLE AND ANGER OVER SLAVERY. It’s a load of racist double standard shit. Christie’s an asshole. I look forward to seeing him being just a footnote.

Especially cute when more of Obama’s ancestors owned slaves than were them. Seriously, GOP, you’re gonna put ‘angry descendant of slaves’ on a man whose main African ancestry was from a man born in Africa?

165 darthstar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:13:10am

Shit seems to be settling fast. Let’s hope so.

Oh, and John McCain, fuck you for calling President Obama naive…again. There’s a good reason you weren’t elected president. People despise dick waving tough talkers.

166 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:14:50am

Wingnuts are seething about something FLOTUS said/did/Tweeted/wore. It must be a day ending in “y”

167 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:15:12am

re: #158 Bulworth

Yeah. The crowd apparently gave Christie a going over this time, though. Lots of unhappy folks not buying his schtick.

No wonder he got pissed. He’s used to being told he’s wonderful.

168 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:16:35am

re: #165 darthstar

Shit seems to be settling fast. Let’s hope so.

Oh, and John McCain, fuck you for calling President Obama naive…again. There’s a good reason you weren’t elected president. People despise dick waving tough talkers.

Honestly I find it sad that McCain has become so bitter in old age and defaet. H.W Bush, never a fan of his seems to have gotten better as he’s gotten older.

169 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:18:17am

re: #164 Chrysicat

Especially cute when more of Obama’s ancestors owned slaves than were them. Seriously, GOP, you’re gonna put ‘angry descendant of slaves’ on a man whose main African ancestry was from a man born in Africa?

Owned more than mine did. But yeah it’s such a stupid narrative. And then Dinesh D’sousa calls him an anti-colonial something other there. Yeah anti-colonialism is so bad. I mean it’s not like we fought a war of independence to cease being a British colony. Obama’s been more patient with these pricks then I ever would be.

170 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:19:23am

WTFITS

No racism to see here folks, move along.

171 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:21:04am

re: #166 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts are seething about something FLOTUS said/did/Tweeted/wore. It must be a day ending in “y”

She had the nerve to suggest that kids eat something other than Mcnuggets again didn’t she?

172 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:21:52am

re: #166 Pie-onist Overlord

I’m sure they’re just regular patriot Americans upset about too much government. //

173 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:22:45am

re: #168 HappyWarrior

The further the Bushes - GHWB and GWB have gotten from the White House, the more circumspect they are about how their successors are doing - not willing to criticize and putting country first. Because they’ve been there. They know that being president is a thankless job and you’re going to get criticized no matter what - especially on foreign events beyond your actual control. They know there’s no magic wand that gives the US ability to act (or that the US should even act beyond issuing the usual statements about nonviolence, talks, and reconciliation where possible, and for dictators and despots to cease doing the despotic things that have kept them in power all along).

174 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:23:27am

re: #171 HappyWarrior

She had the nerve to suggest that kids eat something other than Mcnuggets again didn’t she?

Something about “knuckleheads.”

I tried to find an actual news site with the quote, but all that come up in a search are the knuckleheads.

175 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:23:55am

re: #173 lawhawk

The further the Bushes - GHWB and GWB have gotten from the White House, the more circumspect they are about how their successors are doing - not willing to criticize and putting country first. Because they’ve been there. They know that being president is a thankless job and you’re going to get criticized no matter what - especially on foreign events beyond your actual control. They know there’s no magic wand that gives the US ability to act (or that the US should even act beyond issuing the usual statements about nonviolence, talks, and reconciliation where possible, and for dictators and despots to cease doing the despotic things that have kept them in power all along).

Yeah this is a good point. McCain always seems hungry for a war. It’s disgusting to me. He seems to outright disdain the very idea of diplomacy.

176 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:24:52am

re: #173 lawhawk

Yeah I’ve noticed this, too.

177 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:25:06am

re: #174 Pie-onist Overlord

Something about “knuckleheads.”

I tried to find an actual news site with the quote, but all that come up in a search are the knuckleheads.

Ah she probably had the nerve to call POTUS’s wingnut detractors something like that and tehy’re pissed. If only she had said Michelle Bachmann was a word that rhymes with the word “witch.”

178 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:36:09am
179 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:36:49am

I ask this question to every wingnut who Godwins on Twitter. Still have not received a coherent answer.

180 Chrysicat  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:37:59am

re: #170 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS

No racism to see here folks, move along.

Literally nothing to see—s/he deleted the Tweet…

181 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:38:54am

re: #179 Pie-onist Overlord

I ask this question to every wingnut who Godwins on Twitter. Still have not received a coherent answer.

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Shit doesn’t even have to be a concentration camp. She’s not going to get a visit from the feds over it. The only thing that will happen is her non-wingnut friends will see her Twitter and think she’s been doing real bad acid.

182 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:39:19am

re: #162 Dr Lizardo

From Wikipedia regarding the 2004 Ukrainian Constitution - amendments were passed at that time that rolled back a lot of the powers of the Presidency. Such as:

By going back to this, Yanukovych has lost some important powers. While it doesn’t reduce him to, let’s say, a purely ceremonial position, it does put some significant curbs on him.

It’s nice to see some positive developments happened overnight. Do you think this is enough to satisfy the opposition?

183 HoosierHoops  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:42:50am

re: #166 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts are seething about something FLOTUS said/did/Tweeted/wore. It must be a day ending in “y”

I don’t recall anytime in my life that the first lady was reviled by so many people in America. I understand the POTUS is fair game politically because of policy or practice..But the First Lady? I’m disgusted by the wingnuts

184 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:43:38am
185 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:43:47am
186 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:44:31am

While Russian President Vladimir Putin enjoys the Sochi Olympics, the Kremlin’s spokesman has liked the Ukrainian opposition to extremists being egged on by Europe. FRANCE 24 takes a look at the events as seen from Russia.

It may not be over in Ukraine but it’s nice to see Putin ending up with the short end of the stick for once.
Fuck Hooray for the EU!
Maybe we should get the EU working on Venezuela next.

187 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:44:47am

re: #182 Killgore Trout

It’s nice to see some positive developments happened overnight. Do you think this is enough to satisfy the opposition?

No. They want Yanuk’s head on a platter. Some of them, perhaps literally, but the majority likely won’t be satisfied with anything less than either his resignation or his impeachment (which Article 111 of the Ukrainian Constitution allows for).

The Rada could defuse the situation somewhat by announcing they’re going to launch an investigation with an eye towards impeachment. That might cool things down.

188 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:45:04am

The snow piles are still rather high, but the rain washed away most of what was on the ground. There is now frozen and mushy grass.

you?

189 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:46:18am

re: #183 HoosierHoops

I don’t recall anytime in my life that the first lady was reviled by so many people in America. I understand the POTUS is fair game politically because of policy or practice..But the First Lady? I’m disgusted by the wingnuts

I think it’s partially magnified by social media but a large part of it is really some big hate. Her big initiatives aren’t even political. You’d think that wanting kids to eat healthily and exercise was something we can all get behind but no wingnuts seem to think a historical high in obesity is peachy. I’ve started to eat more healthy by the way and I’ve gotten in the best shape of my life. And what’s more I’m enjoying food as much if not more than I used to.

190 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:47:52am

re: #188 FemNaziBitch

The snow piles are still rather high, but the rain washed away most of what was on the ground. There is now frozen and mushy grass.

you?

All frozen piles of snow from over a week ago melted yesterday in the 73 deg heat. It was a beautiful day, but it’s getting back to pretty normal for Feb now; freezing temps overnight and 40s during the day.

191 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:48:00am

Tornado watches up for NC and SC. This is all part of the same frontal system that is going to edge into NYC metro area around rush hour tonight. In this area, it’s going to be heavy rain with a chance at t-storms, but nothing as severe as down south.

Not like we can handle that much more at this point. All the rain and snowmelt is going to do wonders for buildings - collapses, roof leaks, etc.

192 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:48:05am

re: #183 HoosierHoops

I don’t recall anytime in my life that the first lady was reviled by so many people in America. I understand the POTUS is fair game politically because of policy or practice..But the First Lady? I’m disgusted by the wingnuts

Wingnuts also hated on Hillary but it was nothing like the hate they have for Michelle.

193 makeitstop  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:48:24am

re: #158 Bulworth

Yeah. The crowd apparently gave Christie a going over this time, though. Lots of unhappy folks not buying his schtick.

The best sign from yesterday’s town hall:

Ouch.

194 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:48:52am

re: #186 Killgore Trout

Maybe we should get the EU working on Venezuela next.
And Iran
and North Korea
and Indonesia
and Syria
and ,,,,,,,,,

195 HoosierHoops  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:49:08am

re: #188 FemNaziBitch

The snow piles are still rather high, but the rain washed away most of what was on the ground. There is now frozen and mushy grass.

you?

LOL I think it’s about 5 foot of snow in my yard. You know it’s bad when you need snow shoes to walk around. It’s stupid. I’m stuck inside and none to happy about it. We got another foot last night. I’ve got cabin fever

196 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:49:32am

re: #187 Dr Lizardo

No. They want Yanuk’s head on a platter. Some of them, perhaps literally, but the majority likely won’t be satisfied with anything less than either his resignation or his impeachment (which Article 111 of the Ukrainian Constitution allows for).

The Rada could defuse the situation somewhat by announcing they’re going to launch an investigation with an eye towards impeachment. That might cool things down.

It’s my understanding from discussions yesterday that the changes to the constitution have to go through Yanuk’s office for approval and the process could take time. If he stalls and drags his feet the opposition is not going to be happy.
the opposition has the momentum, I think they should keep rolling.

197 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:49:38am

re: #192 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts also hated on Hillary but it was nothing like the hate they have for Michelle.

They hated Hillary because she was smart; they hate Michelle because she’s smart and Black.

198 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:49:46am

Speaking of Hillary hate, who can’t forget this bit of humor by “humorist” John MCCain? Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father! Ha-ha! Making fun of a teenage girl’s apperanace is so fun. And then there was this gem by the great Swift like satrist Limbaugh, “You know there is a White House cat but did you also know there was a White House dog.” Chelsea was 13 when the fat man made that joke. 13.

199 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:50:17am

re: #193 makeitstop

The best sign from yesterday’s town hall:

Ouch.

Hahahahhaa. Brilliant.

200 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:51:28am

re: #194 sattv4u2

Maybe we should get the EU working on Venezuela next.
And Iran
and North Korea
and Indonesia
and Syria
and ,,,,,,,,,

….Africa. France is single handedly trying to stabilize Africa. It’s a remarkable effort they aren’t getting enough credit for.

201 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:51:36am

It’s finally getting warmer here. That’s a plus.

202 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:52:24am

re: #200 Killgore Trout

….Africa. France is single handedly trying to stabilize Africa. It’s a remarkable effort they aren’t getting enough credit for.

absolutely true

203 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:53:45am

Gotta think about what the events in Ukraine mean for Belarus. The Belorussian population obviously watched the events in Ukraine fold with interest. Would be great if Lukahsenko would fall from power.

204 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:54:12am
205 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:54:51am

re: #195 HoosierHoops

LOL I think it’s about 5 foot of snow in my yard. You know it’s bad when you need snow shoes to walk around. It’s stupid. I’m stuck inside and none to happy about it. We got another foot last night. I’ve got cabin fever

I had a bad bought of cabin fever this winter. I think it traumatized me a bit.

Try to get some sunlight on your face every day.

206 Chrysicat  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:55:13am

re: #200 Killgore Trout

….Africa. France is single handedly trying to stabilize Africa. It’s a remarkable effort they aren’t getting enough credit for.

That might be because they’re still blamed by a lot of people for destabilizing it in the first place, rightly or wrongly. And that’s even though the places they’re trying to run interference for this time are largely not part of the old French colonial empire…

207 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:55:53am

re: #196 Killgore Trout

It’s my understanding from discussions yesterday that the changes to the constitution have to go through Yanuk’s office for approval and the process could take time. If he stalls and drags his feet the opposition is not going to be happy.
the opposition has the momentum, I think they should keep rolling.

You’re right in that the opposition does have a hell of a lot of momentum going. They should continue to apply maximum pressure, but that pressure also needs to brought to bear from the Rada - parliamentary pressure on Yanukovych as well as demonstrations.

I have no problem whatsoever with peaceful demonstrations; they worked to magnificent effect in 1989 behind the Iron Curtain. But there must be pressure from both below and above.

208 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:56:30am

re: #200 Killgore Trout

….Africa. France is single handedly trying to stabilize Africa. It’s a remarkable effort they aren’t getting enough credit for.

France does deserve more credit than they’re getting. I agree.

209 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:56:50am

re: #206 Chrysicat

That might be because they’re still blamed by a lot of people for destabilizing it in the first place, rightly or wrongly. And that’s even though the places they’re trying to run interference for this time are largely not part of the old French colonial empire…

Why bother China is colonizing the continent.

210 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:57:20am

re: #206 Chrysicat

That might be because they’re still blamed by a lot of people for destabilizing it in the first place, rightly or wrongly. And that’s even though the places they’re trying to run interference for this time are largely not part of the old French colonial empire…

I’m sure there are some secondary reasons behind their foray there this time. The region (still) is ripe with minerals

211 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:57:20am

re: #188 FemNaziBitch

The snow piles are still rather high, but the rain washed away most of what was on the ground. There is now frozen and mushy grass.

you?

Heavy fog that is just starting to clear off. A few icy snow piles still about and interfering with drainage.

212 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:57:35am

re: #209 FemNaziBitch

see 210

213 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:58:29am
214 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:58:57am

re: #211 Feline Fearless Leader

Heavy fog that is just starting to clear off. A few icy snow piles still about and interfering with drainage.

yeah, we got flood warning txts yesterday from the village.

215 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:59:00am

Embattled Yanukovych, opposition sign deal to end political crisis

kyivpost.com

“We have to state the obvious fact that the criminal regime (of Yanukovych) has not yet realized either the gravity of its evil doings, nor wrath of the people,” read a statement from the radical far-right Pravy Sektor organization.

“The statement added that the deal is missing parts such as the “urgent arrest of (acting Interior Minister Vitaliy) Zakharchenko, commanders of killers in Berkut (riot police), and sniper killers,” as well as the removal of other Yanukovych allies, including General Prosecutor Viktor Pshonka.

“Thus, we are inclined to see this statement of Yanukovych as another attempt at window-dressing. The people’s revolution continues, and it will end with full removal from power,” the gorup’s statement said.

“The group’s message echoed many of those on Maidan today.”

Yes, the KP is back up…

216 RadicalModerate  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:59:34am

re: #107 Pie-onist Overlord

What right-wing racism? HURR HURR!! DEMOCRATS WAS TEH KKK!!!

This one is a bonafide Hitler-lover who spews Stormfront talking points repeatedly in her timeline - which is rife with racist images and comments.
The hashtag she sticks at the end of her name is that of “White Resistance” a violent pro-fascism white supremacist group.

What’s really scary is how many followers she has - it literally is hundreds.

217 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 7:59:46am

re: #212 sattv4u2

see 210

It would be nice if we lived in a world where the people of Africa actually got to enjoy the profits from those minerals.

218 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:00:18am

re: #204 FemNaziBitch

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I think this guy may be an even bigger shit than George Zimmerman. Holy victim complex batman. Dude fires ten shots at kids because he can’t handle their music and that “threatens” him. Pathetic piece of shit.

219 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:00:39am
220 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:01:04am

re: #216 RadicalModerate

This one is a bonafide Hitler-lover who spews Stormfront talking points repeatedly in her timeline - which is rife with racist images and comments.
The hashtag she sticks at the end of her name is that of “White Resistance” a violent pro-fascism white supremacist group.

What’s really scary is how many followers she has - it literally is hundreds.

I have blocked it now. Didn’t realize there was such a cesspool on Twitter that this thing gets retweets from TCOT.

221 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:01:46am

re: #217 FemNaziBitch

It would be nice if we lived in a world where the people of Africa actually got to enjoy the profits from those minerals.

If some of their leaders weren’t so corrupt, they would. Companies can’t just go in and start mining. They do have to sign agreements with the local authorities at the time.

222 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:02:36am
223 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:02:43am

Whether this is true (chilling if so) or not (rumor mongering at its worst), this is troubling.

facebook.com

“The commandant of Maidan and of the Self-Defense of Maidan is under threat. From the reliable sources of information it has become known that snipers have received an order to annihilate Andriy Parubiy. We warn that all the responsibility for the possible consequences of such crime will be only on Yanukovych.”

224 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:02:49am

re: #221 sattv4u2

If some of their leaders weren’t so corrupt, they would. Companies can’t just go in and start mining. They do have to sign agreements with the local authorities at the time.

Yup

225 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:04:25am

re: #218 HappyWarrior

I think this guy may be an even bigger shit than George Zimmerman. Holy victim complex batman. Dude fires ten shots at kids because he can’t handle their music and that “threatens” him. Pathetic piece of shit.

Yes, it’s beyond disgusting.

I’d be very frightened if I lived in Florida and had an AA son. I am scared as I have a friend with sons living in the State.

226 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:06:31am

re: #222 FemNaziBitch

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Being a judgmental dick is also a sin, Erick, maybe businesses shouldn’t serve you.

227 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:07:00am

re: #219 FemNaziBitch

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Loved this one. Those bits of scat…

Youtube Video

228 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:08:18am

re: #225 FemNaziBitch

Yes, it’s beyond disgusting.

I’d be very frightened if I lived in Florida and had an AA son. I am scared as I have a friend with sons living in the State.

I’d rather be in Fla with an AA son than in Chicago!
{sigh}

229 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:09:12am

re: #228 sattv4u2

I’d rather be in Fla with an AA son than in Chicago!
{sigh}

I don’t know. None of my neighbors has been stalked for walking home from the convenience store.

230 Chrysicat  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:09:55am
231 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:10:30am

re: #225 FemNaziBitch

Yes, it’s beyond disgusting.

I’d be very frightened if I lived in Florida and had an AA son. I am scared as I have a friend with sons living in the State.

It’s terrifying honestly. Too many frigging people who are way too eager to pull out a gun. No one is saying Dunn had to be happy about the music but pulling out a gun on those kids, simple horrid.

232 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:10:31am

re: #222 FemNaziBitch

Ummm. How is a business going to know if two guys together or two gals together are a couple? Will there be some sort of questionnaire to fill out before they are served? Maybe Erick is marketing a new kind of gaydar device.

233 RadicalModerate  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:11:15am

re: #222 FemNaziBitch

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According to Son of Erick’s logic, then Red Lobster (shellfish), Hanes (mixed fibers), the Catholic Church (drinking alcohol in a place of worship), and the NFL (touching carcass of “unclean” animal) are all bigtime sinners and should be denied the right to exist.

234 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:12:36am

re: #233 RadicalModerate

According to Son of Erick’s logic, then Red Lobster (shellfish), Hanes (mixed fibers), the Catholic Church (drinking alcohol in a place of worship), and the NFL (touching carcass of “unclean” animal) are all bigtime sinners and should be denied the right to exist.

Does Fruit of the Loom get a pass? All those fruits in the ad must mean something.

235 Mattand  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:12:36am

re: #229 FemNaziBitch

I don’t know. None of my neighbors has been stalked for walking home from the convenience store.

Seriously. FL has practically declared open season on young black males.

Also, “Zimmerman was declared innocent!” in 3, 2, 1…

236 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:13:15am
237 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:13:24am

re: #233 RadicalModerate

According to Son of Erick’s logic, then Red Lobster (shellfish), Hanes (mixed fibers), the Catholic Church (drinking alcohol in a place of worship), and the NFL (touching carcass of “unclean” animal) are all bigtime sinners and should be denied the right to exist.

I like how he knowingly advocates for Jim Crow for gay couples yet has the nerve to claim that gay marriage is somehow discrimination against him. I don’t know how people like that function without falling flat on their face daily.

238 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:13:30am

re: #222 FemNaziBitch

One of the memes about businesses being able to discriminate against gays is that kosher butchers aren’t being forced to carry pork products. Seen that on twitter more than once and it bothers me to no end.

That’s disingenuous at best - and it’s a flawed analogy.

On the one hand, you have patrons to a kosher butcher under no expectation to carry non-kosher products. You’re going to a kosher butcher to get kosher products. Asking for a non-kosher product will get a raised eyebrow and suggestion to go elsewhere. It’s not discrimination against someone seeking a nonkosher product.

It’s an acknowledgement that stores can pick and choose the products they carry. [this doesn’t apply to pharmacies, where the rules on what can be carried is subject to state/federal laws]

That differs from a store that sells baked goods and cakes, but then chooses not to sell them to a person based on - pick any: color of skin, sexual orientation, religious affiliation, etc. That’s discriminatory.

If you’re in a state like New Mexico, you don’t have the right to discriminate if you’re selling a product to others (that’s according to the state’s constitution/laws). Other states have caselaw to indicate that a business doesn’t have a right to discriminate in this fashion.

The gay couple going to a bakery to get a cake isn’t asking for something that the bakery doesn’t do. It’s a staple product. They bake cakes. They just don’t want to bake it for a gay couple. And that’s discriminatory.

239 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:13:32am

Well, at least one criminal is on their agenda.

240 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:14:01am

re: #235 Mattand

Seriously. FL has practically declared open season on young black males.

Also, “Zimmerman was declared innocent!” in 3, 2, 1…

The prison situation in Illinois is deplorable. Yet what you say is seems true.

241 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:14:19am

HURR HURR!!!!

242 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:15:04am

re: #233 RadicalModerate

Pick and roll. They pick and choose the parts of the Bible they want to strictly interpret, and ignore the ones they don’t.

243 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:15:33am

Fired his ass. Now try him.

244 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:15:55am

re: #232 wheat-dogghazi

Ummm. How is a business going to know if two guys together or two gals together are a couple? Will there be some sort of questionnaire to fill out before they are served? Maybe Erick is marketing a new kind of gaydar device.

Ha, that’s actually a good point. I also want to know how these “small government” types that want homosexuality illegal expect to enforce it. Same thing with the deport all illegals types. These people hate taxes yet somehow want homosexuality to be illegal and every single undocumented person to be deported(without expecting legal residents and citizens to have the same).

245 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:16:30am

re: #238 lawhawk

I’ve never seen a group of kosher butchers take a monopoly on butcher shops in gentile neighborhoods.

246 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:17:13am

re: #229 FemNaziBitch

I don’t know. None of my neighbors has been stalked for walking home from the convenience store.

Florida had 1,009 murders in 2012,
miami.cbslocal.com
Chicago 2013 DEATH TOLL : 421

dnainfo.com

I’d take my chances in an entire state rather than one city

247 iossarian  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:18:02am

re: #241 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!

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Yawn. The “Christianity is not a Chinese menu” nutters can get back to me when they’ve implemented “turn the other cheek” as a foreign policy, and sold all their worldly possessions and given the money to the poor.

248 HoosierHoops  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:18:19am

One day I was at a gas station when some kids pulled in with the stereo blasting at 11. Total gang banger shit. I started dancing at the pumps yelling turn that shit up! They were laughing at me so much and we high fived.
Turned out they were Oklahoma football players. That’s how you deal with young people. Be fun..be kind..enjoy life…

249 Chrysicat  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:18:53am

re: #244 HappyWarrior

Ha, that’s actually a good point. I also want to know how these “small government” types that want homosexuality illegal expect to enforce it. Same thing with the deport all illegals types. These people hate taxes yet somehow want homosexuality to be illegal and every single undocumented person to be deported(without expecting legal residents and citizens to have the same).

“Wayull, if they’s actin’ all fruity and they’s men—or they’s not actin’ like proper laydeez and they’s wimmin—they can be assumed to be a faygit until proved otherwise, donnit make sense?”

Of course, I wonder what they’d do about bears, who typically look a lot like any other Mountain Man type, but I’m sure they’ll just serve ‘em without knowing it… :-P

250 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:18:54am

re: #248 HoosierHoops

One day I was at a gas station when some kids pulled in with the stereo blasting at 11. Total gang banger shit. I started dancing at the pumps yelling turn that shit up! They were laughing at me so much and we high fived.
Turned out they were Oklahoma football players. That’s how you deal with young people. Be fun..be kind..enjoy life…

exactly!

251 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:18:56am

re: #238 lawhawk

One of the memes about businesses being able to discriminate against gays is that kosher butchers aren’t being forced to carry pork products. Seen that on twitter more than once and it bothers me to no end.

That’s disingenuous at best - and it’s a flawed analogy.

On the one hand, you have patrons to a kosher butcher under no expectation to carry non-kosher products. You’re going to a kosher butcher to get kosher products. Asking for a non-kosher product will get a raised eyebrow and suggestion to go elsewhere. It’s not discrimination against someone seeking a nonkosher product.

It’s an acknowledgement that stores can pick and choose the products they carry.

That differs from a store that sells baked goods and cakes, but then chooses not to sell them to a person based on - pick any: color of skin, sexual orientation, religious affiliation, etc. That’s discriminatory.

If you’re in a state like New Mexico, you don’t have the right to discriminate if you’re selling a product to others (that’s according to the state’s constitution/laws). Other states have caselaw to indicate that a business doesn’t have a right to discriminate in this fashion.

The gay couple going to a bakery to get a cake isn’t asking for something that the bakery doesn’t do. It’s a staple product. They bake cakes. They just don’t want to bake it for a gay couple. And that’s discriminatory.

Excellent point. Honestly, from a business point of view, I don’t get these businesspeople that want to discriminate against certain groups of people. But what I really don’t get are those who want special protections for doctors and cops who have a problem with homosexuality. Why would you become a cop or doctor if you were going to refuse someone help because you find their behavior sinful. Cops even try to prevent perps from killing themselves. Wingnuts like Erickson want a system like what we had before the Civil Rights Act of 1964 where a business or even in some cases a vital service can discriminate against someone for arbirtary reasons and that is wrong and frankly anti-American. It’s something that you see in totalitarian regimes.

252 iossarian  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:19:35am

re: #248 HoosierHoops

One day I was at a gas station when some kids pulled in with the stereo blasting at 11. Total gang banger shit. I started dancing at the pumps yelling turn that shit up! They were laughing at me so much and we high fived.
Turned out they were Oklahoma football players. That’s how you deal with young people. Be fun..be kind..enjoy life…

No-one wants to see me dance, but I always find a smile and a friendly wave go a long way.

253 jonhendry  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:20:24am

OT: I recently discovered this fun BBC kids’ show: Rastamouse

rastamouse.com

254 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:20:43am

re: #238 lawhawk

One of the memes about businesses being able to discriminate against gays is that kosher butchers aren’t being forced to carry pork products. Seen that on twitter more than once and it bothers me to no end.

That’s disingenuous at best - and it’s a flawed analogy.

On the one hand, you have patrons to a kosher butcher under no expectation to carry non-kosher products. You’re going to a kosher butcher to get kosher products. Asking for a non-kosher product will get a raised eyebrow and suggestion to go elsewhere. It’s not discrimination against someone seeking a nonkosher product.

It’s an acknowledgement that stores can pick and choose the products they carry.

That differs from a store that sells baked goods and cakes, but then chooses not to sell them to a person based on - pick any: color of skin, sexual orientation, religious affiliation, etc. That’s discriminatory.

If you’re in a state like New Mexico, you don’t have the right to discriminate if you’re selling a product to others (that’s according to the state’s constitution/laws). Other states have caselaw to indicate that a business doesn’t have a right to discriminate in this fashion.

The gay couple going to a bakery to get a cake isn’t asking for something that the bakery doesn’t do. It’s a staple product. They bake cakes. They just don’t want to bake it for a gay couple. And that’s discriminatory.

This may be a bit of a stretch, but those wedding cake toppers with the little figure of a bride and groom on top don’t come in same-sex versions, so a bakery could legitimately say they can’t provide a topper for a gay wedding cake.

255 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:21:02am

re: #246 sattv4u2

deathpenaltyinfo.org

Some years, the murder rate in Florida exceeded that in Illinois.

But in a direct comparison, Illinois had fewer murders than Florida. 774 to 1,009 for 2012. Illinois had a higher per capita rate of 5.8 homicides per 100k than Florida’s 5.2 per 100k.

telegraph.co.uk

256 Iwouldprefernotto  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:22:12am

re: #241 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!

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Thomas Jefferson cut out the passages of the Bible that he did not agree with.

257 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:22:26am

re: #249 Chrysicat

“Wayull, if they’s actin’ all fruity and they’s men—or they’s not actin’ like proper laydeez and they’s wimmin—they can be assumed to be a faygit until proved otherwise, donnit make sense?

Of course, I wonder what they’d do about bears, who typically look a lot like any other Mountain Man type, but I’m sure they’ll just serve ‘em without knowing it… :-P

Yeah I get it, they think every gay male is a caricature. Too bad if they ever actually met any gay or lesbian people and actually talked to them, they’d find that these are human beings. I certainly wouldn’t pick a fight with or without knowing Michael Sam is gay. He’s two inches taller than me has 60 pounds of muscle on me.

258 Mattand  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:22:28am

re: #246 sattv4u2

>Florida had 1,009 murders in 2012,
miami.cbslocal.com
>Chicago 2013 DEATH TOLL : 421

dnainfo.com

I’d take my chances in an entire state rather than one city

Sure. If you’re a white middle aged male, the odds are in your favor that a racist fucknut won’t empty his weapon into your car.

259 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:23:28am

re: #254 Pie-onist Overlord

Who does cake toppers anymore? Have you learned nothing from watching Say Yes to the Dress, Cake Boss, Ace of Cakes and all the other baking-related shows? That’s so 1970s. /

260 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:24:03am
261 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:24:42am

re: #259 lawhawk

Who does cake toppers anymore? Have you learned nothing from watching Say Yes to the Dress, Cake Boss, Ace of Cakes and all the other baking-related shows? That’s so 1970s. /

I am more into pie than cake, so I never watch those shows.

262 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:24:45am

re: #256 Iwouldprefernotto

Thomas Jefferson cut out the passages of the Bible that he did not agree with.

I was thinking that too!

263 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:24:47am

re: #258 Mattand

Sure. If you’re a white middle aged male, the odds are in your favor that racist fucknut won’t empty his weapon into your car.

The racist fucknut should be put away without ANY chance of release

That stated . it’s still more dangerous for a young black male in Chicago than in the ENTIRE state of Florida

264 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:24:55am

re: #260 FemNaziBitch

What a wide stance… /

265 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:25:16am

re: #259 lawhawk

Who does cake toppers anymore? Have you learned nothing from watching Say Yes to the Dress, Cake Boss, Ace of Cakes and all the other baking-related shows? That’s so 1970s. /

Hey my brother and his wife used one. Granted they were from my and his grandmother’s wedding from the 50’s. Anyhow, I actually become more pro-gay marriage after every wedding I attend because marriage at its core is always going to about the love of two people being formalized and brought together. It’s a beautiful thing whether a young man and a woman or a longtime gay couple finally making their vows.

266 jonhendry  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:25:33am

re: #246 sattv4u2

“I’d take my chances in an entire state rather than one city”

It’s mostly part of one city, eating itself. The rest of the city is comparatively much safer.

267 iossarian  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:25:59am

re: #254 Pie-onist Overlord

This may be a bit of a stretch, but those wedding cake toppers with the little figure of a bride and groom on top don’t come in same-sex versions, so a bakery could legitimately say they can’t provide a topper for a gay wedding cake.

To be honest, I think we should recognize that businesses can, and in fact *should* discriminate, legally, in some cases. For example, it’s acceptable (and may in some cases be mandatory) to refuse to serve alcohol to someone who is already intoxicated. It’s also mandatory to refuse to sell alcohol and cigarettes to minors.

On the other hand, there are cases where discrimination is illegal. I cannot refuse to set up a house sale on the basis of race, for example.

This current situation is, broadly speaking, about establishing whether or not it’s illegal to refuse to sell wedding services to gay couples. I’m not 100% unsympathetic to the religious exemption argument, but I think that the rights of gay people trump the right to “run a Christian business” (whatever that means).

268 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:26:02am

re: #260 FemNaziBitch

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Considering sodomy’s been around for years. I’d say it’s pretty conservative. Bigotry OTOH………….

269 Mattand  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:26:14am

re: #263 sattv4u2

The racist fucknut should be put away without ANY chance of release

That stated . it’s still more dangerous for a young black male in Chicago than in the ENTIRE state of Florida

Yeah, I’m guessing you haven’t been reading Lawhawk’s posts.

270 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:26:44am

Steve Stockman retweeted this:

271 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:27:39am

re: #270 Pie-onist Overlord

Steve Stockman retweeted this:

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Subhuman mongrel…………….But we’re the Nazis.

272 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:27:41am

re: #241 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!

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Well, that’s what Thomas Jefferson did. He cut out every supernatural bit from his bible leaving only the (essentially Pharisaical/Rabbinical) teachings.

amazon.com

273 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:27:58am

re: #266 jonhendry

“I’d take my chances in an entire state rather than one city”

It’s mostly part of one city, eating itself. The rest of the city is comparatively much safer.

and ,,,, that negates my comment,,,,, how!?!?

Florida population,,, about 20 Million
Chicago,,,, about half that

And Chicago alone has about half the murders as the entire state of Fla (see above)

274 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:28:12am

re: #267 iossarian

But in the instance you’ve posited - the alcohol sales, that’s controlled in many cases by state law - dram shop liability. Selling alcohol to someone who is visibly intoxicated can result in liability for those who sold the person alcohol and the person subsequently caused physical harm to another (like a DUI accident with injuries to 3d parties).

275 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:28:32am

I did not realize that “Subhuman Mongrel” was actually Chris Loesch and not just some random crazed racist teabag nutjob.

276 Mattand  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:28:50am

Now you’ve done it. He’s confused commas and exclamation points. Again.

277 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:29:01am

re: #269 Mattand

Yeah, I’m guessing you haven’t been reading Lawhawk’s posts.

Illinois had a higher per capita rate of 5.8 homicides per 100k than Florida’s 5.2 per 100k.

Your guess would be wrong

278 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:29:13am

re: #270 Pie-onist Overlord

That’s Dana Loesch’s husband.

279 iossarian  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:29:32am

re: #263 sattv4u2

The racist fucknut should be put away without ANY chance of release

But we’ve seen that the system is in fact stacked in his favor.

That stated . it’s still more dangerous for a young black male in Chicago than in the ENTIRE state of Florida

These two facts are not unrelated. Young black males are basically at the bottom of the heap in America. Recent events have only exacerbated this trend. It’s not surprising that dysfunction results.

You want to improve the lot of young black men in Chicago? A good start would be to establish that a life is worth protecting, regardless of skin color. And that means modification of a legal system that currently privileges whites over blacks.

280 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:30:36am

re: #274 lawhawk

But in the instance you’ve posited - the alcohol sales, that’s controlled in many cases by state law - dram shop liability. Selling alcohol to someone who is visibly intoxicated can result in liability for those who sold the person alcohol and the person subsequently caused physical harm to another (like a DUI accident with injuries to 3d parties).

Without the specialty topper (which might be hard to get until SSM becomes more accepted) a gay couple ordering a wedding cake is just like any other customer ordering a wedding cake.

281 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:30:47am

man, the wind is howling in my part of the world.

282 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:31:21am

re: #279 iossarian

But we’ve seen that the system is in fact stacked in his favor.

How so?
He was convicted of 4 out of the 5 charges

The one that the jury was hung on was a reach (imho) for the prosecution. How to prove pre-meditation in a case where the victims and perp just happened to be in the same place at the same time

283 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:32:38am
284 jonhendry  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:32:48am

re: #273 sattv4u2

“and ,,,, that negates my comment,,,,, how!?!?”

It’s easier to avoid the South Side of Chicago when you’re in Chicago, than it is to avoid Florida when you’re in Florida.

285 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:33:09am

I would totally bake a Wedding Pie for a gay couple if they asked for it, but I’m not a professional baker and I wouldn’t know what to put in a wedding pie.

Somebody actually has a wedding pie business. OK I could totally make pies like that, and a better website too.

286 Mattand  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:33:42am

re: #282 sattv4u2


But we’ve seen that the system is in fact stacked in his favor.

How so?
He was convicted of 4 out of the 5 charges

The one that the jury was hung on was a reach (imho) for the prosecution. How to prove pre-meditation in a case where the victims and perp just happened to be in the same place at the same time

Please. If a black guy had opened fire into a car full of white teenagers for playing music too loud, they’d have lynched him on the spot.

287 jonhendry  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:33:45am

re: #282 sattv4u2

“prove pre-meditation in a case where the victims and perp just happened to be in the same place at the same time”

Premeditation only requires seconds. It doesn’t require Dexter-like planning.

288 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:33:55am

re: #283 FemNaziBitch

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Oh damn.

289 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:33:58am

re: #256 Iwouldprefernotto

Thomas Jefferson cut out the passages of the Bible that he did not agree with.

Heh. I’ve read the Jefferson Bible. It’s pretty short. No Old Testament, and all of the supernatural elements have been eliminated from his New Testament.

And it ends with Jesus (a.s.) being laid in the tomb. No resurrection in Jefferson’s bible.

Live with that, wingnuts.

290 Chrysicat  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:34:30am

re: #282 sattv4u2


But we’ve seen that the system is in fact stacked in his favor.

How so?
He was convicted of 4 out of the 5 charges

The one that the jury was hung on was a reach (imho) for the prosecution. How to prove pre-meditation in a case where the victims and perp just happened to be in the same place at the same time

Oh, not this canard again.

In Florida, the prosecution isn’t limited to the specific charge they originally bring regarding a given victim. In this case, not only did the judge order the jury to consider Second Degree murder, he ordered them to consider MANSLAUGHTER.
They still hung.
Someone on that jury considered shooting a young unarmed black man to be completely justifiable.

Any more MBFs you want to summon this fine morn?

291 Stanley Sea  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:34:36am

re: #278 lawhawk

That’s Dana Loesch’s husband.

So much love in that household.

292 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:34:46am

re: #283 FemNaziBitch

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Of the 291 employees Cheung settled with, 178 were foreign workers. The Labor Department slapped Cheung with a $5,000 fine.

293 Political Atheist  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:34:59am

re: #246 sattv4u2

We can worry all we want about angry men with CCW. Stopping any and all CCW issuance would make a tiny difference in violence and, obviously, leave those 65,000 incidents (VPC) a year where a gun does help defend a person legitimately in a far different outcome.

But the big deadly numbers are gang violence and suicide. That’s where the meat of the matter is in terms of making a big difference in gun deaths.

294 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:35:02am

re: #286 Mattand

Please. If a black guy had opened fire into a car full of white teenagers for playing music too loud, they’d have lynched on the spot.

Really

Show me where a black man was “lynched on the spot’ for shooting a white person in the past, oh, say , 50 years

295 iossarian  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:35:13am

re: #274 lawhawk

But in the instance you’ve posited - the alcohol sales, that’s controlled in many cases by state law - dram shop liability. Selling alcohol to someone who is visibly intoxicated can result in liability for those who sold the person alcohol and the person subsequently caused physical harm to another (like a DUI accident with injuries to 3d parties).

My non-lawyer point is that “discrimination” (as a neutral term) isn’t in itself a bad thing: we are called upon to differentiate between people on the basis of certain characteristics pretty regularly.

On the other hand, there are other situations in which such differentiation is illegal.

In the middle, there are also cases where differentiation is not mandatory, but is not illegal either. If I’m selling my house, and someone who wants to buy it tells me a great story about themselves, I can accept their lower offer if it pleases me to do so, as long as it’s on the basis of characteristics that aren’t protected by law (e.g., the person is a librarian and I like librarians).

(LH, please correct me if this last point is wrong.)

Anyway, it seems to me that the discussion in the case of cake-baking is establishing that sexuality falls into the “cannot discriminate” bucket, and then enforcing that.

296 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:35:27am

re: #289 Dr Lizardo

Heh. I’ve read the Jefferson Bible. It’s pretty short. No Old Testament, and all of the supernatural elements have been eliminated from his New Testament.

And it ends with Jesus (a.s.) being laid in the tomb. No resurrection in Jefferson’s bible.

Live with that, wingnuts.

I believe Barton’s excuse is he did that to make the Bible easier to understand for the Natives. Because you know Native American religious mythology has no supernatural in it at all. Jefferson if he opened his mouth on religion would be despised by many people who claim to speak for him.

297 jonhendry  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:35:27am

re: #254 Pie-onist Overlord

There are same-sex cake toppers.

amazon.com

298 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:36:21am

re: #290 Chrysicat

And at least one of the jurors who have talked with the media indicated that the 2/3 who voted against convicting on the murder or lesser includeds (murder 2, manslaughter) did so because of self-defense/SYG.

299 Mattand  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:36:46am

re: #294 sattv4u2

Really

Show me where a black man was “lynched on the spot’ for shooting a white person in the past, oh, say , 50 years

You know what I’m saying. The justice system is tilted against minorities. You seem to be trying your best to ignore that.

300 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:37:09am

re: #298 lawhawk

And at least one of the jurors who have talked with the media indicated that the 2/3 who voted against convicting on the murder or lesser includeds (murder 2, manslaughter) did so because of self-defense/SYG.

Because being black, young and male and the same as pointed a gun at someone?

301 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:37:25am

Ah well
Accountant is here

Time to see how many pounds of flesh Uncle Sam gets to extract from me this year!!!

BBL

302 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:38:02am

re: #296 HappyWarrior

I believe Barton’s excuse is he did that to make the Bible easier to understand for the Natives. Because you know Native American religious mythology has no supernatural in it at all. Jefferson if he opened his mouth on religion would be despised by many people who claim to speak for him.

Barton is full of shit, and I’m pretty sure he knows he’s full of shit. He’s a pathetic pseudo-historian; no different than Anatoly Fomenko and his crackpot “New Chronology”.

Info about Fomenko’s New Chronology is here: en.wikipedia.org

303 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:38:09am

What white men fear

304 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:38:17am

re: #299 Mattand

You know what I’m saying. The justice system is tilted against minorities. You seem to be trying your best to ignore that.

I never denied that,, NOR intimated it

305 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:38:47am

re: #302 Dr Lizardo

Barton is full of shit, and I’m pretty sure he knows he’s full of shit. He’s a pathetic pseudo-historian; no different than Anatoly Fomenko and his crackpot “New Chronology”.

Info about Fomenko’s New Chronology is here: en.wikipedia.org

Heh yikes. That’s some kooky shit right there.

306 iossarian  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:38:56am

re: #282 sattv4u2


But we’ve seen that the system is in fact stacked in his favor.

How so?
He was convicted of 4 out of the 5 charges

The one that the jury was hung on was a reach (imho) for the prosecution. How to prove pre-meditation in a case where the victims and perp just happened to be in the same place at the same time

Several jurors are strongly alleged to have believed that Dunn acted in self defense.

The Zimmerman case was handled in a way that it is frankly impossible to conceive if the races of the parties involved was reversed.

The differentiation between crack and cocaine that is essentially predicated on racial lines. Differences by race in conviction rates and the availability of legal assistance. I could go on and on.

Claiming that whites don’t get a better deal than blacks out of our legal system flies in the face of all the available evidence.

307 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:39:24am

re: #294 sattv4u2

Really

Show me where a black man was “lynched on the spot’ for shooting a white person in the past, oh, say , 50 years

Lynched? No. But on death row in a matter of weeks? Yep. Even if the white kid shot first. SYG does not apply if you have too much melanin.

308 Mattand  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:39:38am

re: #304 sattv4u2

Read 290 again.

309 jonhendry  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:39:44am

re: #294 sattv4u2

Well, a black man was shot by deputies for simply running towards them. He was seeking assistance after a car wreck.

cnn.com

310 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:40:38am

Here is a beautiful pie that would make a great Gay Wedding Pie:
The fruits could be arranged in a rainbow pattern.
Blackberries
Blueberries
Kiwi
Banana
Peach
Mandarin
Strawberries
Raspberries

311 gwangung  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:41:03am

re: #290 Chrysicat

Someone on that jury considered shooting a young unarmed black man to be completely justifiable.

Basically, they privileged the word of a white man over several black men.

312 iossarian  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:41:25am

re: #304 sattv4u2

I never denied that,, NOR intimated it

You said this:

But we’ve seen that the system is in fact stacked in his favor.

How so?
He was convicted of 4 out of the 5 charges

How is that not denying that the system is stacked on racial lines?

313 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:41:25am
314 jonhendry  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:41:58am

re: #311 gwangung

“Basically, they privileged the word of a white man over several black men.”

And his white girlfriend’s word that Dunn never mentioned a shotgun.

315 Mattand  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:42:31am

re: #312 iossarian

You said this:

How is that not denying that the system is stacked on racial lines?

Save yourself some pixels. Funny how the accountant arrived right as everyone was blowing a hole in his argument.

316 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:43:26am
317 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:43:48am

Oh, and one other thing about comparing statewide crime stats to locality stats. You can actually drill down and see the individual locality reports via the UCR site. Some parts of Florida are as dangerous, or more so than Chicago on a per capita rate. Jacksonville, for example has 93 homicides, which runs to about 11 per 100k. Sanford’s rate is 5 per 100k.

Heck, even within Chicago, there are parts that are far more dangerous than others (some precincts see little in the way of homicides, while others have an exceptionally high rate). Even in NYC there are very safe locales, while others have higher rates.

318 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:44:07am

re: #305 HappyWarrior

Heh yikes. That’s some kooky shit right there.

I first heard about from a student of mine, who was extolling it. That ended after about three minutes when I burst into loud and mocking laughter.

319 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:44:53am

re: #316 FemNaziBitch

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cowards do though.

320 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:45:11am

re: #318 Dr Lizardo

I first heard about from a student of mine, who was extolling it. That ended after about three minutes when I burst into loud and mocking laughter.

I would have laughed too.

321 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:46:16am
322 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:47:06am

And sure enough:

323 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:47:08am

re: #320 HappyWarrior

I would have laughed too.

It was very much like this - one of my other students actually later called it my “J. Jonah Jameson moment”.

Youtube Video

324 The War TARDIS  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:47:18am

re: #208 Dr Lizardo

I like France. :)

325 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:48:47am

re: #322 Pie-onist Overlord

And sure enough:

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Surprised none of them have said that Jonathan Martin should have had a gun when dealing with Ritchie Incongnito. // But only half way.

326 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:49:42am

re: #322 Pie-onist Overlord

And sure enough:

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Fortunately, I don’t think Ukrainians worship the gun the way those dolts do.

Actually, most sane people don’t.

327 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:49:49am

And sure enough again:

328 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:49:57am

re: #323 Dr Lizardo

It was very much like this - one of my other students actually later called it my “J. Jonah Jameson moment”.

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Yeah that one or when Jim Carrey in Dumb and Dumber goes “Man, you are one pathetic loser, no offense.” My brother believed in some pretty out there shit for a time. Our other brother and myself were pretty bemused by it.

329 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:50:38am

re: #326 Justanotherhuman

Fortunately, I don’t think Ukrainians worship the gun the way those dolts do.

Actually, most sane people don’t.

They care more about guns than people, fact.

330 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:50:38am

And yet again:

331 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:51:03am

re: #285 Pie-onist Overlord

I would totally bake a Wedding Pie for a gay couple if they asked for it, but I’m not a professional baker and I wouldn’t know what to put in a wedding pie.

Somebody actually has a wedding pie business. OK I could totally make pies like that, and a better website too.

You could make a better website from a pie.

332 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:51:31am

re: #328 HappyWarrior

lololol

333 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:51:58am

re: #327 Pie-onist Overlord

And sure enough again:

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What an idiot. Only someone who hasn’t kept up with events over there could make a statement like that.

Just the rightwing showing its total reductionist ignorance, as usual.

334 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:52:09am
335 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:52:44am

re: #326 Justanotherhuman

Ukrainian constitution prohibits political parties and public associations from forming paramilitary formations (Article 37).

336 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:53:03am

re: #332 Dr Lizardo

lololol

That’s the one movie I can quote. “Well, the Monkees, they were a huge influence on the Beatles.” or “We’ve got no jobs, we’ve got no food,s our PETS HEADS ARE FALLING OFF!”

337 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:54:21am

Meanwhile, in Ukraine….

Granted, it’s from Interfax, but if accurate, it means Yanukovych’s political party is disintegrating. Quite a few PoR MP’s fled the country yesterday as well.

338 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:54:45am

re: #335 lawhawk

Ukrainian constitution prohibits political parties and public associations from forming paramilitary formations (Article 37).

And Ukrainians are still allowed hunting weapons, as they are in the UK, for instance. So they’re not completely unarmed.

339 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:54:58am

good morning fellow Lizards.

340 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:55:37am

I remember reading a few months back that Vitaly Kitsachko(sp?) the former boxer is a big opponent of Yanuck’s regime. Guy was the biggest heavyweight I ever saw. I think he’s like 6’7-8 and was 250 pounds in his prime.

341 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:55:40am

re: #337 Dr Lizardo

Meanwhile, in Ukraine….

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Granted, it’s from Interfax, but if accurate, it means Yanukovych’s political party is disintegrating. Quite a few PoR MP’s fled the country yesterday as well.

Didn’t 26 of those suckers leave earlier when it started going down?

342 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:56:01am

This is significant.

343 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:56:13am

re: #341 Justanotherhuman

Didn’t 26 of those suckers leave earlier when it started going down?

Yes.

344 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:57:03am
345 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:57:20am

re: #342 Dr Lizardo

This is significant.

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It is. Ukraine’s going to need leaders in this time.

346 Political Atheist  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:57:33am

re: #287 jonhendry

“prove pre-meditation in a case where the victims and perp just happened to be in the same place at the same time”

Premeditation only requires seconds. It doesn’t require Dexter-like planning.

No but what preplanning did we see at all from Dunn? Nada. Classic sudden violence case. 2nd degree murder would have been a good conviction, but “Dexter like planning” is a straw man. And we should note that charge may still hit him, and even without it he is likely to spend the rest of his life in jail, the highest penalty we would agree the justice system should have.

An example from a very ex employee- Got in a fight, went back (just a couple yards) to his car got a knife and came back. Seconds as you say.

He got convicted for a deadly assault with premeditation. Fortunately the mall security guard he stabbed lived.

347 Chrysicat  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:00:06am

re: #346 Political Atheist

Why do so many people think FL is like CA where you have to choose your charge perfectly because you can’t ask for the jury to convict lesser? See my #290 for why you’re being disingenuous.

348 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:00:12am

Parliament votes for financial aid for victims of Euromaidan.

349 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:00:14am

re: #342 Dr Lizardo

This is significant.

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Hooray. I’m starting to get hopeful this all may go down with minimal bloodshed.

350 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:01:06am

Presumably, this includes the 17 that quit today, not to mention that MP’s that fled the country yesterday.

351 Political Atheist  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:02:00am

re: #306 iossarian

Several jurors are strongly alleged to have believed that Dunn acted in self defense.

The Zimmerman case was handled in a way that it is frankly impossible to conceive if the races of the parties involved was reversed.

The differentiation between crack and cocaine that is essentially predicated on racial lines. Differences by race in conviction rates and the availability of legal assistance. I could go on and on.

Claiming that whites don’t get a better deal than blacks out of our legal system flies in the face of all the available evidence.

Poor white is often just about as bad off as minorities. The system favor the wealthy more than race. OJ got off right? Black and wealthy, at the time. Not so wealthy anymore obviously.

352 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:02:03am

Things are looking up in Ukraine. Good, I was really worried we’d see a Balkans 2.0 here. It was too late for a Velvet divorce like event but hopefully things can continued to be resolved peacefully and democratically.

353 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:03:14am

re: #317 lawhawk

Oh, and one other thing about comparing statewide crime stats to locality stats. You can actually drill down and see the individual locality reports via the UCR site. Some parts of Florida are as dangerous, or more so than Chicago on a per capita rate. Jacksonville, for example has 93 homicides, which runs to about 11 per 100k. Sanford’s rate is 5 per 100k.

Heck, even within Chicago, there are parts that are far more dangerous than others (some precincts see little in the way of homicides, while others have an exceptionally high rate). Even in NYC there are very safe locales, while others have higher rates.

Sol 3 appears to be much more dangerous than Sol 4.
//

354 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:03:40am

re: #352 HappyWarrior

Things are looking up in Ukraine. Good, I was really worried we’d see a Balkans 2.0 here. It was too late for a Velvet divorce like event but hopefully things can continued to be resolved peacefully and democratically.

I’m sure the eastern regions in the Donets Basin and the Crimea is probably freaking out right now.

355 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:04:46am

re: #351 Political Atheist

Poor white is often just about as bad off as minorities. The system favor the wealthy more than race. OJ got off right? Black and wealthy, at the time. Not so wealthy anymore obviously.

The OJ anecdote notwithstanding, poor whites have privilege compared to black people of any income level in the US justice system. Start with arrests.

356 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:06:00am

re: #354 Dr Lizardo

I’m sure the eastern regions in the Donets Basin and the Crimea is probably freaking out right now.

Yes, but at least Yanuk is becoming isolated. Pretty soon, he may be the only one left in the PoR. : )

357 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:06:06am
358 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:06:47am

re: #356 Justanotherhuman

Yes, but at least Yanuk is becoming isolated. Pretty soon, he may be the only one left in the PoR. : )

Ahaha. He can call it the Party of Me.

359 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:08:06am
360 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:09:07am
361 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:09:07am

What am I supposed to do with a warehouse full of “Fuck the EU” t-shirts now?!?!?

362 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:09:14am

re: #355 wrenchwench

The OJ anecdote notwithstanding, poor whites have privilege compared to black people of any income level in the US justice system. Start with arrests.

That’s esp true in areas in which whites predominate, esp since most small town cops and county deputies are from the same working class as those they are sent out to arrest. They can be especially hard on minorities who they see as “outsiders” and not from the same gene pool.

363 Political Atheist  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:09:44am

re: #355 wrenchwench

How about those wealthy celebs and athletes that run afoul of the law? is race the big factor of lighter sentences and kinder handling by the cops? Nope. Money. Fame.

WW these things both happen. Minorities get screwed all too frequently. My point is that it’s not that simple as just race to assess, define or fix.

Ask a defense attorney-What is the bigger disadvantage in court? Race or a lack of resources?

364 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:09:46am

re: #359 FemNaziBitch

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I think he literally creams himself at the thought of there being mass violence here so he can go “See, I was right, America, we’re in ruins!” Sick fucker.

365 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:10:18am

re: #361 Killgore Trout

What am I supposed to do with a warehouse full of “Fuck the EU” t-shirts now?!?!?

You can cut out the E and give them to people who hate the University of Miami.

366 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:10:26am

re: #359 FemNaziBitch

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Yeah, not happening. The situation in Ukraine is exactly the opposite of here, with the young and vibrant populace standing up to a conservative autocrat. Odds are the only way what happened in Ukraine happens here is if the President announces he’d disbanding NASCAR.

367 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:11:10am

re: #357 wrenchwench

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Good kid.

368 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:11:46am

Yanuk must be mulling over his prospects. The cherry on top would be his imminent resignation.

369 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:11:59am

Ukrainian military finally picks up the phone…..
Top NATO commander reaches Ukrainian military chief

NATO’s top military commander spoke by telephone with the head of Ukraine’s armed forces Friday, amid growing concerns about the political crisis there.

Air Force Gen. Philip Breedlove, who also serves as commander of U.S. forces in Europe, spoke with Adm. Yuriy Ilyin.

“The nature of the call was positive,” said Lt. Col. Mark Cheadle, a NATO spokesman. “They discussed the value of our bilateral relationship, and agreed to continue to maintain an open dialogue.”

370 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:13:12am

re: #363 Political Atheist

How about those wealthy celebs and athletes that run afoul of the law? is race the big factor of lighter sentences and kinder handling by the cops? Nope. Money. Fame.

WW these things both happen. Minorities get screwed all too frequently. My point is that it’s not that simple as just race to assess, define or fix.

Ask a defense attorney-What is the bigger disadvantage in court? Race or a lack of resources?

Celebs and athletes are not statistically significant. You see those, but you don’t see 99.9% of what’s happening to most people.

You are entitled to representation if you have no resources. You are not entitled to change your skin for the jury.

It may not be as simple as ‘just race’, but if race is not addressed, you might as well quit before you start.

371 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:13:25am
372 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:13:55am

re: #367 HappyWarrior

Good kid.

I hope he doesn’t get arrested for loitering.

373 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:13:59am

re: #361 Killgore Trout

What am I supposed to do with a warehouse full of “Fuck the EU” t-shirts now?!?!?

Sell them to winguts. They’re gullible.

374 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:14:00am

re: #371 Dr Lizardo

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That’s a huge development.

375 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:14:34am

re: #372 wrenchwench

I hope he doesn’t get arrested for loitering.

I hope not. Can’t believe someone put a noose on the Meredith statue.

376 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:16:24am
377 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:16:56am

Just got a Twitter notice:

Tea Party Patriots followed you.

Not following back.

378 Stanley Sea  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:17:30am

re: #372 wrenchwench

I hope he doesn’t get arrested for loitering.

Or has to stand his ground.

379 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:20:02am

re: #376 Justanotherhuman

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The vote was a veto-proof majority.

A constitutional majority of 310 lawmakers from a cross-section of different parties, including the Communists, voted for the measure. This makes the legislation veto-proof, preventing President Viktor Yanukovych from blocking the move. Yanukovych is widely blamed for ordering the imprisonment of his political rival.

kyivpost.com

380 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:21:20am

But at this point, it’s not just wealthy Venezuelans who are upset with the government. The fact is, this socialism (well, “socialism” - maybe more like state capitalism, if you wanna get nerdy about economic systems) hasn’t been all rainbows and glitter.”

I like that: “state capitalism”.

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382 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:24:52am

In which Russia tries to distance itself…

383 RadicalModerate  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:27:15am

re: #375 HappyWarrior

I hope not. Can’t believe someone put a noose on the Meredith statue.

Here’s the report of the original vandalism.

UPD investigating discovery of noose and flag on Meredith statue

Officers responded to the call Sunday at 7:09 a.m. Upon arrival, they discovered the rope and the flag on the statue. Before it was changed in 2003, the Georgia state flag showed the Confederate “bars and stars” on its face.

“We are investigating the incident and will continue to work to catch those responsible,” UPD Police Chief Calvin Sellers said.

Mark McMillan, owner of an insulation company contracted out by the university to work on the library’s cooling tower, saw the two individuals who police believe are responsible for the incident, and he was the first person to see the vandalism.

“I came up on a couple younger-looking boys by the loading dock that were yelling ‘white power’ and ‘f— n—-s’ on my way back over towards the statue,” he said. “When I rounded the corner of (the George Street House), I noticed the rope and the flag, and it definitely showed the Confederate flag.”

McMillan said the rope was tied around the statue’s neck like a noose, and the flag was draped over the shoulders and back of the statue like a scarf.

The FBI is also investigating this incident.

384 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:27:19am

re: #380 FemNaziBitch

But at this point, it’s not just wealthy Venezuelans who are upset with the government. The fact is, this socialism >(well, “socialism” - maybe more like state capitalism, if you wanna get nerdy about economic systems) hasn’t been all rainbows and glitter.”

I like that: “state capitalism”.

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The Page picked up an unrelated video from the sidebar of the original site. I’d suggest removing it ‘cause it makes them look like they’re fundraising off the Venezuelan issue. And thanks for posting it.

385 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:27:47am

Is this a typical shit move by Gregory or what? Moving in at the last minute to get viewers when all the dirty work has been done. He’s such an asshole.

386 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:29:23am

Yesterday’s discussion of falafel got me in the mood to make some today.
Just made up a big batch of cucumber/yoghurt sauce and have it “resting” in the fridge. I forgot how much I love that sauce and am thinking it will also go nicely with many other dishes, including fish.
MrBWS isn’t too sure about the falafel part (“no meat? how can it have no meat??!!??”) I told him to think of it as hush puppies with chickpeas instead of flour. Fortunately, he’s a huge fan of homemade hummus, so he should like the falafel.

387 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:30:26am

re: #383 RadicalModerate

Here’s the report of the original vandalism.

UPD investigating discovery of noose and flag on Meredith statue

The FBI is also investigating this incident.

Thanks.

The library has a cooling tower?

388 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:31:15am

re: #386 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yesterday’s discussion of falafel got me in the mood to make some today.
Just made up a big batch of cucumber/yoghurt sauce and have it “resting” in the fridge. I forgot how much I love that sauce and am thinking it will also go nicely with many other dishes, including fish.
MrBWS isn’t too sure about the falafel part (“no meat? how can it have no meat??!!??”) I told him to think of it as hush puppies with chickpeas instead of flour. Fortunately, he’s a huge fan of homemade hummus, so he should like the falafel.

I have to see your recipe!

389 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:32:28am

re: #388 Pie-onist Overlord

I have to see your recipe!

Right now, I’m using this one as a loose guideline (I’m not one to actually measure things…) I skipped using mayo in the sauce and went heavy on the cucumber.

allrecipes.com

ETA: I used my Cuisinart SmartStick to grind up the cucumber instead of finely chopping it by hand.

390 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:32:32am

re: #377 Pie-onist Overlord

Prepare for an avalanche of Derp.

391 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:32:49am

Guns N’ Roses “Sweet Child O’ Mine” Retooled as 1920s New Orleans Jazz
openculture.com

392 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:34:39am

re: #375 HappyWarrior

Must be libtard Democrat party because Frederick Douglass was GOP. //

393 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:34:46am

Warning: Graphic blood and gore.

394 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:35:57am

re: #391 FemNaziBitch

Guns N’ Roses “Sweet Child O’ Mine” Retooled as 1920s New Orleans Jazz
openculture.com

Youtube Video

sorry, meant to link direct to the youtube.

395 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:37:49am
396 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:38:02am
397 Dr. Matt  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:40:00am

Ted Nugent pretends to apologize for ‘Sub-Human Mongrel’ Obama Remark:

After a week-long CNN crusade and Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) calling for an apology, Nugent finally did so Friday morning while appearing on the Ben Ferguson Show.

I do apologize-not necessarily to the President-but on behalf of much better men than myself,” he said in an interview with conservative radio host Ben Ferguson, who’s also a CNN political commentator.
[…] Nugent said he apologizes “for using the streetfighter terminology of ‘subhuman mongrel’ instead of just using more understandable language, such as ‘violator of his own- the Constitution.”
In his apology, Nugent appeared to regret more the fact that his language has been tied to Republican politicians from his state, such as Abbott, Gov. Rick Perry, and Sen. Ted Cruz.
“I apologize for using the term,” he said. “I will try to elevate my vernacular to the level of those great men that I’m learning from in the world of politics.”

398 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:41:05am

re: #389 Backwoods_Sleuth

Right now, I’m using this one as a loose guideline (I’m not one to actually measure things…) I skipped using mayo in the sauce and went heavy on the cucumber.

allrecipes.com

I use dry chickpeas—soaked overnight. The canned ones are too mushy.

399 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:41:09am

re: #351 Political Atheist

Poor white is often just about as bad off as minorities. The system favor the wealthy more than race. OJ got off right? Black and wealthy, at the time. Not so wealthy anymore obviously.

The biggest advantage wealth gets is that you can afford better council. When you can get 3 or 4 high end attorneys to face off against a local DA (many of whom are not as good as they like to think they are) it can really unbalance the system in favor of the defendant. That’s a good or bad thing depending more on your position and your wallet I suppose…

401 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:41:47am

re: #382 Justanotherhuman

In which Russia tries to distance itself…

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In other words Putin’s sorry he got caught up in that whole Olympics deal, but there’s a warm dacha with Yanuk’s name on it whenever he decides to make a run for it.

402 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:42:44am

re: #372 wrenchwench

I hope he doesn’t get arrested for loitering.

If the picture wasn’t already in the news, he probably would be.

403 Kragar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:42:45am
404 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:45:13am

Unintended consequences?

405 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:45:21am

re: #380 FemNaziBitch

But at this point, it’s not just wealthy Venezuelans who are upset with the government. The fact is, this socialism >(well, “socialism” - maybe more like state capitalism, if you wanna get nerdy about economic systems) hasn’t been all rainbows and glitter.”

I like that: “state capitalism”.

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That is a very important distinction that is lost on most Americans as they go into freakout over imagined Socialism. Chavez’ system is not and never was socialism except in name and that only because it was useful to him to call it that to tweek the nose of the US government.

406 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:46:07am

re: #394 FemNaziBitch

Or perhaps the bluegrass version of Metallica’s Enter Sandman:

openculture.com

Youtube Video

407 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:46:27am

Dear Gays:
YOUR GOING TO BURN IN ETERNAL HELLFIRE FOREVER!!!!!
Love in Jesus,

408 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:47:45am

re: #398 Pie-onist Overlord

I use dry chickpeas—soaked overnight. The canned ones are too mushy.

I started soaking the dry chickpeas last night

409 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:49:08am

re: #387 wrenchwench

Thanks.

The library has a cooling tower?

High end air-conditioning & de-humidifying units can need one. I can easily imagine the need for stable conditions in a library having a larger than otherwise necessary plant.

410 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:51:26am

re: #405 William Barnett-Lewis

That is a very important distinction that is lost on most Americans as they go into freakout over imagined Socialism. Chavez’ system is not and never was socialism except in name and that only because it was useful to him to call it that to tweek the nose of the US government.

It’s one often lost on Chavez’s American foes and friends alike. The foes heard his rhetoric and think oh on evil socialist and friends hear awesome a socialist!

411 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:51:50am

re: #407 Pie-onist Overlord

Did you buy their Conservative Mega Book Clearance Pack?

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412 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:52:10am

re: #406 lawhawk

Or perhaps the bluegrass version of Metallica’s Enter Sandman:

openculture.com

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Johnny Cash version of Nine Inch Nails
Youtube Video

413 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:52:35am

re: #404 FemNaziBitch

Bevin, who’s running against McConnell in KY thinks that gays will now try to marry their own kids so as to get tax benefits.

Louisville businessman Matt Bevin is challenging five-term Sen. Mitch McConnell in the May 20 GOP primary. Bevin said Wednesday that marriage should retain its traditional definition as being between a man and a woman.

Bevin told a Christian radio program hosted by Janet Mefferd: “If it’s all right to have same-sex marriages, why not define a marriage — because at the end of the day, a lot of this ends up being taxes and who can visit who in the hospital, and there’s other repercussions and things that come with this —so a person may want to define themselves as being married to one of their children so that they could then in fact pass on certain things to that child financially and otherwise.”

“Where do you draw the line?” he said. “And if, in fact, a person can arbitrarily draw it here, why not could someone else draw it arbitrarily draw it somewhere else?”

Bevin spokeswoman Rachel Semmel said Bevin was not connecting gay marriage with incest. She said he was speaking of questions such as “hospital visitations and benefits.”

No, not drawing a bogus connection to incest. Nope. Nothing to see here.

This is what the GOP thinks will sell and what’s sufficient to unseat the Minority Leader? Well, we’re probably going to see a lot more of this - and the Minority Leader will remain the head of the minority as the GOP continues to lose ground to folks who are grounded in reality.

414 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:53:40am

re: #413 lawhawk

Please procede…

415 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:53:42am

re: #413 lawhawk

Bevin, who’s running against McConnell in KY thinks that gays will now try to marry their own kids so as to get tax benefits.

No, not drawing a bogus connection to incest. Nope. Nothing to see here.

This is what the GOP thinks will sell and what’s sufficient to unseat the Minority Leader? Well, we’re probably going to see a lot more of this - and the Minority Leader will remain the head of the minority as the GOP continues to lose ground to folks who are grounded in reality.

Only the economically concerned conservatives types would think that up.

416 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:56:28am

HURR HURR!!!! PEOPLE WITH TEH FOOD STAMPS EATS BETTER FOODS THEN YOU & ME!!!!! STOP ALL TEH FOOD STAMPS TO TEH POORS, MAKE THEM GET JRRBS!!!!!!

417 Kragar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:56:44am

re: #412 FemNaziBitch

Johnny Cash version of Nine Inch Nails
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My Chemical Romance covering Bob Dylan

Youtube Video

418 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:57:21am

re: #413 lawhawk

Bevin, who’s running against McConnell in KY thinks that gays will now try to marry their own kids so as to get tax benefits.

No, not drawing a bogus connection to incest. Nope. Nothing to see here.

This is what the GOP thinks will sell and what’s sufficient to unseat the Minority Leader? Well, we’re probably going to see a lot more of this - and the Minority Leader will remain the head of the minority as the GOP continues to lose ground to folks who are grounded in reality.

If there’s any hope that I have, it’s that Bevin wins the primary, but assumes that it was because of the noxious shit coming out of his piehole and not simply because the people of the state have finally grown tired of McConnell’s antics.

419 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:57:49am
420 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:58:04am

re: #413 lawhawk

Bevin, who’s running against McConnell in KY thinks that gays will now try to marry their own kids so as to get tax benefits.

No, not drawing a bogus connection to incest. Nope. Nothing to see here.

This is what the GOP thinks will sell and what’s sufficient to unseat the Minority Leader? Well, we’re probably going to see a lot more of this - and the Minority Leader will remain the head of the minority as the GOP continues to lose ground to folks who are grounded in reality.

Yeah because that makes perfect sense. Bevin, you ever think gays want to get married for the same reasons you presumably got married? But you’re right here. This is why the GOP is doomed to be a minority when they have people espousing shit like this. Bevin isn’t a fringe candidate, he’s a very viable primary opponent against McConnell and the fact like people like him gain traction in GOP primaries has got to scare the crap out of the GOP establishment who only use the gay issue to rile up the base.

421 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:58:54am

re: #418 Targetpractice

If there’s any hope that I have, it’s that Bevin wins the primary, but assumes that it was because of the noxious shit coming out of his piehole and not simply because the people of the state have finally grown tired of McConnell’s antics.

I hope so too but remember Rand “I would have voted NO on the CRA of 64 ” is the junior senator.

422 Chrysicat  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:59:29am

re: #412 FemNaziBitch

Johnny Cash version of Nine Inch Nails
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I’ll see your oldest active country artist of the time doing a NIN song and raise you my oldest active country artist of the time doing a Pearl Jam song…and probably making it his as much as Johnny did ‘Hurt’…

Youtube Video

423 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:59:30am

re: #416 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!! PEOPLE WITH TEH FOOD STAMPS EATS BETTER FOODS THEN YOU & ME!!!!! STOP ALL TEH FOOD STAMPS TO TEH POORS, MAKE THEM GET JRRBS!!!!!!

[Embedded content]

Yeah give them disdain and hatred, that will make them wealthy.

424 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 9:59:50am

re: #417 Kragar

My Chemical Romance covering Bob Dylan

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Susan Boyle and Wild Horses

Youtube Video

425 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:00:38am

re: #419 Pie-onist Overlord

Nooooooooooooooooooooo

426 Kragar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:00:42am

Ronnie James Dio covering Rod Stewart

Youtube Video

427 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:01:59am

re: #423 HappyWarrior

Yeah give them disdain and hatred INSTEAD OF FOOD STAMPS!!!!!!, that will make them wealthy.

428 Ian G.  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:02:10am

re: #426 Kragar

Reggae goes country:

Youtube Video

Country goes reggae:

Youtube Video

429 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:02:32am

Youtube Video
This was actually my kid brother’s introduction to Redemption Song and by extension Joe.

430 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:03:57am

re: #428 Ian G.

Reggae goes country:

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These are both awesome on so many levels.

431 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:03:58am

re: #409 William Barnett-Lewis

High end air-conditioning & de-humidifying units can need one. I can easily imagine the need for stable conditions in a library having a larger than otherwise necessary plant.

Thanks. I figured it had something to do with a humid climate. Here we have swamp coolers, a low-end cooling and (incidentally) humidifying device on the roof (usually) that blows air over wet pads and down into the building. ‘Cooling tower’ would sound much better than ‘swamp cooler’.

432 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:04:24am

re: #417 Kragar

Oh yeah! From the “Watchmen” OST. What a great way to end that film!

433 Dr. Matt  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:05:11am

re: #419 Pie-onist Overlord

CANADA SCORES! The defending champs break the seal early in the second period. WATCH NOW on @NBCSN and @LiveExtra: t.co

Has Rand Paul blamed Obama yet?

434 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:05:47am

re: #422 Chrysicat

I’ll see your oldest active country artist of the time doing a NIN song and rais you my oldest active country artist of the time doing a Pearl Jam song…and probably making it his as much as Johnny did ‘Hurt’…

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I think you win!

435 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:05:47am

Some people don’t like covers but I like them because you can put your own take on it. My favorite cover of all time and I think it was the first song I really really got into was Jimi covering Bob’s All Along the Watchtower. That riff man, that riff!

436 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:06:25am

re: #412 FemNaziBitch

Johnny Cash version of Nine Inch Nails
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Like “All along the watchtower” it’s a classic of where the cover is greater than the original.

437 Kragar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:06:39am

Reel Big Fish covering Lita Ford

Youtube Video

438 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:07:11am

re: #406 lawhawk

Or perhaps the bluegrass version of Metallica’s Enter Sandman:

openculture.com

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Now that is cool. Gotta find the mp3…

439 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:08:53am

re: #435 HappyWarrior

Some people don’t like covers but I like them because you can put your own take on it. My favorite cover of all time and I think it was the first song I really really got into was Jimi covering Bob’s All Along the Watchtower. That riff man, that riff!

The duets Natalie Cole did with her father were the beginning of a lot of creative covers, I think.

440 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:09:02am

DAmn so much good tunes. I’ll have to listen when I get back from running errands. This is why I love this site. A lot of people know their music.

441 Ian G.  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:09:26am

re: #435 HappyWarrior

Some people don’t like covers but I like them because you can put your own take on it. My favorite cover of all time and I think it was the first song I really really got into was Jimi covering Bob’s All Along the Watchtower. That riff man, that riff!

Johnny Cash’s “Hurt” (as noted above) is my favorite cover, bar none.

442 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:09:36am

re: #394 FemNaziBitch

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sorry, meant to link direct to the youtube.

Utterly awesome.

443 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:09:56am

re: #439 FemNaziBitch

The duets Natalie Cole did with her father were the beginning of a lot of creative covers, I think.

Yeah I remember those. Speaking of which, a friend posted a clip of Broken Bells “playing” If I Fell I in Love with You with Ringo. They basically included RIngo’s old drumming with their music. It was way cool.

444 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:10:00am

re: #436 William Barnett-Lewis

Like “All along the watchtower” it’s a classic of where the cover is greater than the original.

Eric Clapton’s Cocaine?

445 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:10:14am

re: #441 Ian G.

Johnny Cash’s “Hurt” (as noted above) is my favorite cover, bar none.

Up there for me too because of the sheer emotion he puts in it.

446 Gus  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:10:23am


Ironic coming from a guy that loves him some Hershi and profiling of “Arab looking” folks.

447 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:10:30am

Rufus Wainwright’s cover of Chelsea HOtel NO. 2 is another great one.

448 Gus  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:11:10am


“Jailbait” lyrics makes the Dallas Morning News.

449 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:11:38am

re: #441 Ian G.

Johnny Cash’s “Hurt” (as noted above) is my favorite cover, bar none.

Yes, it stops my heart.

450 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:12:17am

re: #435 HappyWarrior

The Donnas covering Kim Wilde’s Kids In America is pretty great.

Soundgarden doing Johnny Cash’s Rusty Cage is too.

451 Kragar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:13:00am

No discussion of covers is complete without mentioning the folk version of Baby Got Back by Johnathon Coulton

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452 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:13:32am
453 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:14:21am

re: #449 FemNaziBitch

Yes, it stops my heart.

With June looking on …

It’s probably the most honest video rendition of any song I know.

454 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:14:42am

re: #446 Gus

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Ironic coming from a guy that loves him some Hershi and profiling of “Arab looking” folks.

I always want to take the ‘ca’ out of Jeremy’s last name.

455 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:14:49am

re: #444 FemNaziBitch

Eric Clapton’s Cocaine?

Oh, yeah. But part of the problem there is hearing JJ Cale’s original only long after knowing it as Clapton - similar problem for me with “I shot the sheriff”.

456 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:15:11am

re: #453 FemNaziBitch

Speaking of Johnny, the covers in Draw The Line by Joaquin Phoenix and Reese Witherspoon were really good. Most of them anyway.

457 Kragar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:16:01am

re: #456 Bulworth

Speaking of Johnny, the covers in Draw The Line by Joaquin Phoenix and Reese Witherspoon were really good. Most of them anyway.

Walk the line

458 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:16:25am

Another great cover is this one:

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Judas Priest - Diamonds and Rust

459 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:16:47am

re: #457 Kragar

Ah yes thank you. Not sure what I was doing throwing in that Aerosmith tune title in there.

460 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:18:12am

This isn’t on the same level but I’m quite fond of it:

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Nena covering T-Rex’s Children of the Revolution.

461 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:18:55am

This gives me an idea for the next playlist. All covers.

462 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:21:27am

Not really a cover per say but the version of Comfortably Numb in The Departed that includes Van Morrison along with Roger Daltrey is quite good.

463 Kragar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:22:49am

Cozy Powell - Munich 1977 - 1812 Overture

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464 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:23:30am

re: #462 HappyWarrior

Not really a cover per say but the version of Comfortably Numb in The Departed that includes Van Morrison along with Roger Daltrey is quite good.

From Roger Water’s performance of The Wall in Berlin after The Wall came down IIRC. That’s a great concert performance of it BTW.

The Celtic Pink Floyd version of that song is a delight as well.

465 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:23:53am

Pentatonix is fun. I love these kids.
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466 Gus  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:25:38am

1-0 Canada

467 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:25:55am

re: #464 William Barnett-Lewis

From Roger Water’s performance of The Wall in Berlin after The Wall came down IIRC. That’s a great concert performance of it BTW.

The Celtic Pink Floyd version of that song is a delight as well.

Ah I didn’t know that part. Just knew it was in the Departed. Celtic Pink Floyd is way cool! I loved their version of Wish You Were Here.

468 Kragar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:26:04am

My mistake, I meant the drummer for Iron Maiden, not Cozy Powell

469 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:27:32am

One of the best covers ever:

Perpetuum Jazzile does Toto’s “Africa”

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470 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:28:50am

re: #459 Bulworth

Ah yes thank you. Not sure what I was doing throwing in that Aerosmith tune title in there.

sorry, I think an Aerosmith song is always appropriate —even if it’s Santana:
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471 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:28:52am

Even though it’s a song literally from a man’s perspective, I just love Cait O’Riordan from the Pogues version of I’m a Man You Don’t Meet Everyday. I’ve probably listened to that well over 50 times. I get like Brian Wilson. Obsessive with songs.

472 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:30:07am

or Santana covering George Harrison
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473 Flying Squirrel Girl  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:34:22am

My sisters and I played this one at my Dad’s memorial 3 weeks ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v525UGbA448

474 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:34:38am

re: #463 Kragar

ELP pretty much doing anyone/everyone. For instance: Tocatta:

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Fanfare for the Common Man:

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Hoedown:
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475 Lidane  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:36:01am

re: #102 Pie-onist Overlord

It only just occurred to me that there are JUICE IN UKRAINE.

Hope they are all OK. Ukrainian history is full of horrific pogroms.

I read this article this morning:


This part stood out:

The protests in the Maidan, we are told again and again by Russian propaganda and by the Kremlin’s friends in Ukraine, mean the return of National Socialism to Europe. The Russian foreign minister, in Munich, lectured the Germans about their support of people who salute Hitler. The Russian media continually make the claim that the Ukrainians who protest are Nazis. Naturally, it is important to be attentive to the far right in Ukrainian politics and history. It is still a serious presence today, although less important than the far right in France, Austria, or the Netherlands. Yet it is the Ukrainian regime rather than its opponents that resorts to anti-Semitism, instructing its riot police that the opposition is led by Jews. In other words, the Ukrainian government is telling itself that its opponents are Jews and us that its opponents are Nazis.

476 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:38:51am

re: #361 Killgore Trout

What am I supposed to do with a warehouse full of “Fuck the EU” t-shirts now?!?!?

Sell them in Russia.

477 Political Atheist  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:57:53am

re: #347 Chrysicat

Why do so many people think FL is like CA where you have to choose your charge perfectly because you can’t ask for the jury to convict lesser? See my #290 for why you’re being disingenuous.

There is nothing disingenuous about pointing out why Murder 1 does not really work in this case. I did point out how murder 2 would have been a good conviction. Let’s not confuse disagreement with any attempt to deceive. Convicted on 4 of 5 counts is going to put this guy in jail for the rest of his life. What more do you want for punishment? The death penalty? Some would argue for that, not me.

SYG is shown to have this fundamental problem of requiring a prosecutor, then a jury to get into the persons head. Did they feel threatened as reasonable person might given the same circumstance right? Well many self defense cases have that issue even where SYG does not exist, like California.

Do you understand the issue that SYG attempts (fails badly but tries) to resolve?

By the way Stand Your ground is a propaganda/critics phrase. the legal reality is “no duty to retreat” which i firmly disagree with out in public areas.

478 palomino  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:59:44pm

re: #282 sattv4u2


But we’ve seen that the system is in fact stacked in his favor.

How so?
He was convicted of 4 out of the 5 charges

The one that the jury was hung on was a reach (imho) for the prosecution. How to prove pre-meditation in a case where the victims and perp just happened to be in the same place at the same time

Did you even follow the case? The jury had a choice of finding Dunn guilty of Murder 1 OR lesser homicide charges. That’s not overreach.

479 jonhendry  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 4:58:52pm

re: #361 Killgore Trout

Sell them to the anti-EU UKIP party in Britain.


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