Great Video: Rachel Maddow Calls Out the Anti-Science Right

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A great segment from Rachel Maddow digs into the ridiculous anti-science positions of right wing quack Jerome Corsi — specifically, his latest book about “abiotic” oil — and segues into the even more outrageous and disturbing fact that top Republican officials in North Carolina believe in the same pseudo-scientific quackery.

This is one of the most troubling things about today’s Republican Party — the nearly universal reactionary anti-scientific craziness, often driven by religious fanaticism.

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277 comments
1 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 1:30:49pm

Jerome Corsi, who’s never met a conspiracy theory he didn’t ascribe to. Whether it’s 9/11 trooferism or this, he’s grasping at anything but reality.

2 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 1:31:06pm

“Abiotic oil,” aka “Let’s set ourselves up for a future global economic crash when this finite resource starts running low.”

3 S'latch  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 1:31:49pm

The “abiotic” oil thing is a great right wing fantasy, like the fantasy that the more CO2 the better, and the economic pie that just keeps growing, and growing, and …

4 Kragar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 1:42:25pm

“Abiotic oil exists and everyone can have a magical pony that pisses lemonade and shits rainbows.”

5 Kragar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 1:45:52pm

You would think if Nazis had a secret source of limitless oil, they would have cared less about seizing oil fields and wouldn’t have ended up trying to build wood fueled tanks.

6 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 1:47:32pm

Abiotic oil is a crank theory; it was popular with Soviet scientists, but dismissed by everyone else. Except, it would seem, the fringe loons that make up the RWNJ’s and other assorted crackpots.

MOAR PSEUDOSCIENCE from the right. My surprise, shocked face, etc.

7 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 1:48:11pm

re: #5 Kragar

You would think if Nazis had a secret source of limitless oil, they would have cared less about seizing oil fields and wouldn’t have ended up trying to build wood fueled tanks.

Jerome Corsi actually sent me a book once, many moons ago. It was about Iran — I tried to read it but couldn’t get past the first chapter because the writing was so completely awful. Poor grammar, run-on sentences, absurd illogical leaps to conclusions. He’s a clown and a hack and a charlatan.

8 Kragar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 1:49:41pm
9 chadu  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 1:49:55pm

re: #4 Kragar

“Abiotic oil exists and everyone can have a magical pony that pisses lemonade and shits rainbows.”

10 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 1:50:33pm

re: #6 Dr Lizardo

Abiotic oil is a crank theory; it was popular with Soviet scientists, but dismissed by everyone else. Except, it would seem, the fringe loons that make up the RWNJ’s and other assorted crackpots.

MOAR PSEUDOSCIENCE from the right. My surprise, shocked face, etc.

It’s the sort of theory that they like, like the idea that more CO2 is actually good for the environment, because it fits with their “guilt-free lifestyle” views. What’s that, you want to drive a gas-guzzling land yacht that gets shitty mileage? Go for it, there’s plenty more oil where that came from!

11 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 1:54:23pm

re: #10 Targetpractice

It’s the sort of theory that they like, like the idea that more CO2 is actually good for the environment, because it fits with their “guilt-free lifestyle” views. What’s that, you want to drive a gas-guzzling land yacht that gets shitty mileage? Go for it, there’s plenty more oil where that came from!

And I want a new car! Something with reclining leather seats, that goes really fast, and gets really shitty gas mileage!

12 b.d.  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 1:55:19pm

Believing that the world is 6,000 years old kind of makes believing in fossil fuels impossible.

13 Kragar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 1:55:21pm

I don’t want people who think the future is in “God’s hands” to be in charge of emergency and disaster response.

15 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 1:56:31pm

I’m reminded of a few months back, when word got out that the FDA was looking to relabel trans-fats as “generally not regarded as safe,” which would be a defacto ban on them in the US. Almost immediately the wingnuts began screaming bloody murder at the idea that years of scientific study determining trans-fats were harmful should lead to their reclassification by the FDA.

16 ausador  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 1:56:54pm

How does this abiotic oil theory attempt to reconcile the recent and provable historical record? America was the first country that utilized large scale oil drilling and rapidly became the worlds largest exporter of oil and petroleum products.

But then oil field after oil field “ran dry” and was abandoned (many of those early fields are now being revisited with “fracking” technology in a rather desperate attempt to drain a few more million barrels from them). I mean, if it is an infinite resource that is produced by the Earth itself then how do you explain all the dried up wells in this country Mr. Corsi?

17 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 1:59:13pm

re: #14 Kragar

I LIKE IT!

One of those little throwaway quotes in the original “Robocop” that stuck with me because it was such a great barb. I laughed my ass off when I first heard it.

18 Kragar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:00:14pm
19 EPR-radar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:00:31pm

There has been a lot of progress in the past few centuries, which conservatives have opposed every step of the way.

History shows that the most persuasive arguments for change are often simple and rational arguments that make a case for how the old ways are inferior and how changes might improve things. It is helpful (and usually true) that these changes are logically related to the ills being addressed.

Present-day US wingnuts, being completely incapable of rationally opposing this model of progress, have decided to wage all out war on rational thinking itself. They have correctly deduced that rationality is completely fatal to all of their policy positions.

20 Kragar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:01:08pm

re: #17 Dr Lizardo

One of those little throwaway quotes in the original “Robocop” that stuck with me because it was such a great barb. I laughed my ass off when I first heard it.

I’d buy that for a dollar.

21 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:02:11pm

re: #16 ausador

How does this abiotic oil theory attempt to reconcile the recent and provable historical record? America was the first country that utilized large scale oil drilling and rapidly became the worlds largest exporter of oil and petroleum products.

But then oil field after oil field “ran dry” and was abandoned (many of those early fields are now being revisited with “fracking” technology in a rather desperate attempt to drain a few more million barrels from them). I mean, if it is an infinite resource that is produced by the Earth itself then how do you explain all the dried up wells in this country Mr. Corsi?

Well to be fair, it wasn’t that they “ran dry” so much that the levels of petroleum in them were either so low or buried so deep that accessing them with the available technology wasn’t profitable. So they capped the wells ages ago but are now going back to them with new technology, allowing them to wring a few more barrels out of “dry” wells. The abiotic crowd look at the reopening of those wells and reach the conclusion that they slowly “refilled” over time and thus the oil is being produced in real time as opposed to over millenia.

22 piratedan  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:02:40pm

just passing time awaiting KT’s imminent arrival to shit all over the thread with more MBF sparkles….

23 TedStriker  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:02:43pm

re: #20 Kragar

I’d buy that for a dollar.

State-of-the-art bang bang!

24 ausador  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:03:55pm

re: #5 Kragar

You would think if Nazis had a secret source of limitless oil, they would have cared less about seizing oil fields and wouldn’t have ended up trying to build wood fueled tanks.

By the end of the war Nazi Germany was getting almost all of its oil and petroleum products by processing it from coal. They didn’t have any secret to limitless oil, although I am sure they deeply wished they did. What they had was a lot of coal deposits that could be extracted by slave labor and no compunctions about how grossly energy inefficient or polluting coal oil extraction was.

25 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:03:55pm

re: #16 ausador

How does this abiotic oil theory attempt to reconcile the recent and provable historical record? America was the first country that utilized large scale oil drilling and rapidly became the worlds largest exporter of oil and petroleum products.

But then oil field after oil field “ran dry” and was abandoned (many of those early fields are now being revisited with “fracking” technology in a rather desperate attempt to drain a few more million barrels from them). I mean, if it is an infinite resource that is produced by the Earth itself then how do you explain all the dried up wells in this country Mr. Corsi?

I think this crackpot theory says they’ll regenerate. Eventually. If you wait long enough. Just like magic.

26 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:03:57pm

The other funny thing is that even if you accept the quack theory of abiotic oil, it doesn’t magically lead to a resolution of fossil fuel supply issues, because lacking a mechanism means lacking any means of calculating the time scale required to create extant oil or the rate of renewal.

So inside the larger elaborate hoax is a more basic “squirrel!” legerdemain.

27 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:04:24pm

It also helps that a lot of those formerly “dry” wells were capped at a time when a barrel of oil was artificially low due to foreign production. Now that the price of a barrel has gone up, a lot of those wells that previously weren’t profitable to pump have become viable again.

28 Kragar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:06:22pm

re: #23 TedStriker

State-of-the-art bang bang!

The Tigers are playing… TONIGHT, and I never miss a game.

29 Ian G.  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:06:39pm

stevengoddard.wordpress.com

My wingnut uncle sends me shit like the above all the time. I usually reply by asking him why he isn’t into anti-vaccination, 9/11 truth, or holocaust denial conspiracies, since they’re all as intellectually bankrupt as each other.

30 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:07:42pm

re: #24 ausador

By the end of the war Nazi Germany was getting >almost all of its oil and petroleum products by processing it from coal. They didn’t have any secret to limitless oil, although I am sure they deeply wished they did. What they had was a lot of coal deposits that could be extracted by slave labor and no compunctions about how grossly energy inefficient or polluting coal oil extraction was.

Wasn’t just the Nazis. The Japanese were so desperate they were digging up pine roots and distilling the oils from them for aviation fuel. Entire forests were felled to produce enough fuel for a couple hours of flight per month.

31 Kragar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:08:24pm

How to explain every Conservative scientific theory:

Youtube Video

32 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:08:41pm

re: #28 Kragar

The Tigers are playing… TONIGHT, and I never miss a game.

Dead or alive, you’re coming with me.

33 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:09:13pm

re: #18 Kragar

34 TedStriker  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:09:15pm

re: #21 Targetpractice

Well to be fair, it wasn’t that they “ran dry” so much that the levels of petroleum in them were either so low or buried so deep that accessing them with the available technology wasn’t profitable. So they capped the wells ages ago but are now going back to them with new technology, allowing them to wring a few more barrels out of “dry” wells. The abiotic crowd look at the reopening of those wells and reach the conclusion that they slowly “refilled” over time and thus the oil is being produced in real time as opposed to over millenia.

Protip for the “abiotic oil” crowd: Correlation does not imply causation.

35 mikec6666  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:09:29pm

I wish weed was limitless…if there was only some way to grow it…why, why didn’t god make weed limitless????

36 EPR-radar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:09:41pm

re: #31 Kragar

And here I was expecting a video of an elephant with a prolapsed rectum.

37 ObserverArt  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:09:43pm

re: #16 ausador

-cut-

I mean, if it is an infinite resource that is produced by the Earth itself then how do you explain all the dried up wells in this country Mr. Corsi?

Easy. Oil is slippery and when the earth rotates it slides around down there, so you can’t be sure it will be there all the time. You have to move to other places on earth and do tests to rediscover where it has slid off to. In time though, Texas will be all filled up again as the oil that slid off comes back around and joins up with the newly made oil and it’ll be boom times again. Corsi will be proven right!

Science isn’t that hard. Scientists just make it that way to keep themselves in jobs. It’s all in my new book Science for Everyone Else. I started it today and hope to finish tomorrow and get it up at WND and on sale by Monday.

/

38 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:09:49pm

re: #33 Dr Lizardo

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“RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY!”

39 Kragar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:10:35pm
40 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:12:24pm

re: #38 Targetpractice

“RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY!”

If that’s his jet (AOJ92C), then it looks like he may have decided to flee Ukraine entirely.

And there’s this:

41 Kragar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:12:32pm

re: #37 ObserverArt

Science isn’t that hard. Scientists just make it that way to keep themselves in jobs. It’s all in my new book Science for Everyone Else. I started it today and hope to finish tomorrow and get it up at WND and on sale by Monday.

/

Hold on one minute.

Just as a I thought.

You just printed a dust cover that says science and put that on a bible.

BRILLIANT!

42 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:12:39pm

re: #39 Kragar

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The endgame seems near.

43 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:14:04pm

re: #40 Dr Lizardo

If that’s his jet (AOJ92C), then it looks like he may have decided to flee Ukraine entirely.

And there’s this:

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It would not surprise me to hear that he’s legged it. No doubt now to take up residence under Putin’s protection, where he’ll make noises about being “in exile” or some shit.

44 Kragar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:14:23pm

Reports are Yanuk fled to Kharkiv and found Euromaidin protestors waiting for him there.

Youtube Video

45 missliberties  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:14:24pm

Can we also call out the anti-science media? Rachel wonders aloud why no main stream media outlet is covering this. It’s a good question.

46 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:15:38pm

Why do adults believe in fairy tales?

This is one severe case of motivated reasoning.

Severe.

47 dog philosopher  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:16:19pm

the ole freeper philosopher explains I R TOO LOJIKAL FOR MAH SHIRT

Why Ted Cruz is the Safest Conservative Option

i’ll just give y’all the whole thing cuz i njoyed it so much

Like many people, I’ve been dismayed at ostensible conservatives like Ann Coulter and Thomas Sowell coming out against Ted Cruz. But in reading their arguments, I’ve noticed some very serious discrepencies between theory and reality. Two main ones, in fact.

The first is the idea of “splitting the party.” The way this goes is that the Republican Party has a finite number of members, and Ted Cruz is threatening to draw away enough of them to split the party, and enable the Rats to win.

But this argument is based on the concept of a limited number of voters. The truth is that there are far more people who don’t vote, than who do. Most people are so utterly disgusted, they refuse to play the voting game anymore. And it’s precisely because of the hypocrisy of the RINOs. Year after year these people get (re)elected to office and sit on their hands when they should be fighting the Rats. It doesn’t take a genius to see this. In fact, Cruz himself is railing against it. It’s a fact.

So what would happen if Cruz, and Tea Party Republicans, did go forward? These non-voters would get off of their hands, that’s what. And the RINOs know this, and it scares them, because there’s more than enough non-voting conservatives to get rid of every single RINO, if they had real conservatives to vote for.

So the RINOs, and their apologists, are spreading openly hypocritical arguments about losing elections. Because the truth is that what would happen if people had real conservatives to vote for is that the Republicans would start winning all over the place - not only voting out the RINOs, but also defeating the Rats once they got into office.

And that brings me to the second issue - the purpose of RINOs. RINOs exist to make sure Rats win. Period. They do this by blocking the opposition. By getting themselves into the places where the fight against the Rats is empowered - and then doing nothing. That’s why the Rats are running wild. They do NOT have the majority of the country behind them. They are rife with savage infighting. They are weak, unorganized, and constantly screwing up everything they touch and working against their own goals. So how do they keep winning? RINOs. RINOs make sure that no matter what the Rats do, they have no real opposition.

This is extremely important to remember - that the do-nothing RINOs ARE doing something important. They are enabling the Rats to WIN. That’s why when people say, “well, wouldn’t Romney have been better than Obama, shouldn’t you have gotten behind Romney to block Obama” their entire argument is absurd. Romney is a RINO. RINOs exist to LOSE to Rats. They sabotage their own campaigns, they load themselves up with repulsive Rat-lite agendas, they fawn to Rats, all to drive away conservative voters, and thereby LOSE. And when they make mistakes - when they get some real conservatives on their side, like McCain did with Palin, and all of a sudden his numbers started shooting up through the roof and it looked like he might actually win - well, HE QUIT. Anyone remember that? And why? Because he’s a RINO, and a RINO’s job is to LOSE.

So there NEVER would have been a Romney presidency, because Romney ran to lose. And as McCain showed, RINOs will do anything it takes, even just plain quitting the race, to make sure the Rats win.

That’s because RINOs ARE RATS.

So there is no “middle ground.” The Tea Party generally, and Cruz specifically, IS the opposition to the RINORATS. There isn’t anyone else. And if we “all get along,” then RINOs will continue to lose to Rats in big elections, and refuse to fight Rats in Congress and elsewhere. That’s how it’s done - that’s their job. That’s “what they do.”

So be clear. Dump the confusion. There’s no threat of “losing” by going with Cruz or genuine conservatives or Tea Party candidates - because there is NO possibility of winning if we stick with RINOs, because the RINO’s job is to LOSE to Rats.

And they do that very, very well.

In fact, they are experts at it.

as bugs bunny useta say, “love it, love it, Love! It!”

48 steve_davis  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:17:30pm

always healthy to remind creationists that their problem isn’t Charles Darwin, but Charles Lyell. He just absolutely eats creationist lunch in his Principles of Geology.

49 Snarknado!  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:19:32pm

re: #6 Dr Lizardo

Abiotic oil is a crank theory; it was popular with Soviet scientists, but dismissed by everyone else. Except, it would seem, the fringe loons that make up the RWNJ’s and other assorted crackpots.

MOAR PSEUDOSCIENCE from the right. My surprise, shocked face, etc.

To be fair (to the subject, not the wingnut proponents), abiotic oil isn’t altogether a crank theory. At this time, however, no-one but crackpots believes that it might provide any significant source of oil or hydrocarbons — at least not in the foreseeable future.

50 Kragar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:20:28pm

re: #47 dog philosopher

Completely failing to take into account possible “no-voters” who decide to suddenly vote just to keep assholes like Cruz out of the White House.

51 steve_davis  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:20:33pm

re: #16 ausador

How does this abiotic oil theory attempt to reconcile the recent and provable historical record? America was the first country that utilized large scale oil drilling and rapidly became the worlds largest exporter of oil and petroleum products.

But then oil field after oil field “ran dry” and was abandoned (many of those early fields are now being revisited with “fracking” technology in a rather desperate attempt to drain a few more million barrels from them). I mean, if it is an infinite resource that is produced by the Earth itself then how do you explain all the dried up wells in this country Mr. Corsi?

It’s mostly because by the 1960’s, we’d begun supporting a pro-homosexual agenda. I guess.

52 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:20:38pm

re: #5 Kragar

You would think if Nazis had a secret source of limitless oil, they would have cared less about seizing oil fields and wouldn’t have ended up trying to build wood fueled tanks.

Having a great interest in WWII, especially in Europe, that was my first thought.

The Third Reich was desperate for oil. The lack of it severely cut into their operations, and even their training. Near the end of the war I know their new pilots were severely undertrained because they couldn’t get enough flight hours in to become even competent, never mind good. Many of their ground operations had problems because of fuel shortages as well.

Man, this guy Corsi (and where the fuck did he get a PhD?) is an ignorant loon.

Also, have you noticed how hard the wingnuts work to keep Russia as an existential danger to the West. Almost a generation later and they still haven’t realized the Cold War is over.

53 EPR-radar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:21:48pm

re: #45 missliberties

Can we also call out the anti-science media? Rachel wonders aloud why no main stream media outlet is covering this. It’s a good question.

Criticizing some kinds of magical thinking without hitting various sacred cows in this culture that are supported by nothing but magical thinking is way too much work for most journalists these days.

54 Kragar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:21:49pm

re: #52 Romantic Heretic

In his case, PHD stands for Piled Higher and Deeper.

55 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:22:05pm

Headline of the day: URGENT - ukraine obama putin

56 ObserverArt  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:22:12pm

re: #45 missliberties

Can we also call out the anti-science media? Rachel wonders aloud why no main stream media outlet is covering this. It’s a good question.

Rachel only covers stuff that the script writers at MSNBC want covered to fit the narrow market demographic they feed the predigested stuff too. So, this isn’t a real story, just red meat to tempt those that are against anyone on the right that questions science. If it was a real story than the real media would cover it. Libs will love it though, or so I’ve been told. I’m searching around on the ‘net and I don’t see any others covering this. That tells me it just Liberal agitprop.

/// + /// = //////

57 dog philosopher  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:22:34pm

re: #50 Kragar

Completely failing to take into account possible “no-voters” who decide to suddenly vote just to keep assholes like Cruz out of the White House.

also RINO voters who will become democratic voters

58 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:23:08pm

Go get ‘em, Charles! These wingnuts just suck up all the oxygen…

Yanuk leaving?


Damn it. Wrong link…

59 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:23:53pm

re: #55 Killgore Trout

You can watch RUN, FORREST VIKTOR, RUN! here:

flightradar24.com

60 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:24:14pm
61 AntonSirius  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:24:36pm

re: #14 Kragar

I LIKE IT!

Bzzzzt!

Oh, too bad. The correct response was, “I’d buy that for a dollar!”

62 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:24:41pm

re: #58 Justanotherhuman

Go get ‘em, Charles! These wingnuts just suck up all the oxygen…

Yanuk leaving?

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That’s what it’s looking like; he’s leaving the country. Apparently headed to Russia.

flightradar24.com

63 TedStriker  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:25:39pm

re: #28 Kragar

The Tigers are playing… TONIGHT, and I never miss a game.

Kurtwood Smith was so perfect as Clarence Bodecker, as was Ronnie Cox as Dick Jones.

As a matter of fact, the whole movie (and its cast) was damn near perfect, a satirical takedown of the ethos of greed and mindless capitalism that the 80s represented, all wrapped in over-the-top action.

Verhoeven caught a lot of shit later on about some of his movies (such as Starship Troopers), but I posit that RoboCop was his master work.

Just looking at the trailer for the remake, it’s got star power, but it feels like it has no soul; people who see it may correct me, but everything I’ve heard it about it tells me that most everything that made the original great was muted or stripped out and that the remake was turned into a formulaic action flick.

64 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:26:13pm
65 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:26:42pm

re: #59 Dr Lizardo

You can watch RUN, FORREST VIKTOR, RUN! here:

flightradar24.com

I doubt he’s fleeing. The EU deal gives him some time so I’d guess he’s going back to the mothership to get instructions. He might be taking the opportunity to get out while he can but I think he has time left.

66 Kragar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:27:10pm

re: #57 dog philosopher

also RINO voters who will become democratic voters

Same kind of logic that applies when they try to justify other conservative theories.

Case in point: Keystone

“Environmentalists should love Keystone because the pipeline would mean fewer trucks on the road, burning less fuel and less time on the highway.”

Actually, it would mean no such thing. If the trucks were no longer needed to transport oil, they would not disappear. They would be retasked to cover other shipping needs.

They don’t see the big picture very well at all.

67 Political Atheist  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:27:27pm

re: #53 EPR-radar

Criticizing some kinds of magical thinking without hitting various sacred cows in this culture that are supported by nothing but magical thinking is >way too much work for most journalists these days.

Case in point

ABC News received advance warning of Jimmy Kimmel’s prank about a wolf supposedly prowling the athletes’ village in Sochi but didn’t steer other news organizations away from it, the network said Friday. The talk show host’s hoax was so realistic that despite the tip, even one of his own network’s news websites posted a story suggesting the report was real.

One media ethicist questioned whether a company that includes a major news organization should broadcast a joke that implied security problems at an Olympic Games where concerns about safety have been, and continue to be, a major issue. “Jimmy Kimmel Live!” airs every weeknight on ABC.

“Rented wolf” LOLOLOL

68 EPR-radar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:28:31pm

re: #52 Romantic Heretic

…

Man, this guy Corsi (and where the fuck did he get a PhD?) is an ignorant loon.

…

Per Wikipedia, Corsi received a Ph.D. in political science from Harvard in 1972.

Another data point to show that having a Ph.D. doesn’t prove anything except persistence and the ability to follow the rules of academia.

69 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:29:44pm
70 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:30:41pm

re: #65 Killgore Trout

I doubt he’s fleeing. The EU deal gives him some time so I’d guess he’s going back to the mothership to get instructions. He might be taking the opportunity to get out while he can but I think he has time left.

That “time” is an illusion. The only people who take that agreement seriously are the politicians who wrote it. Everybody else knows this doesn’t end without Yanuk resigning or being deposed.

71 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:31:02pm

re: #68 EPR-radar

Per Wikipedia, Corsi received a Ph.D. in political science from Harvard in 1972.

Another data point to show that having a Ph.D. doesn’t prove anything except persistence and the ability to follow the rules of academia.

I like Peter Drucker’s take: All a degree certifies is that the person has sat for a long time.

Also thinking of Heinlein: Expertise in one field does not means expertise in another, but experts often seem to think so. And the narrower their field of expertise the more likely they are to think this.

72 AntonSirius  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:31:05pm

re: #16 ausador

How does this abiotic oil theory attempt to reconcile the recent and provable historical record? America was the first country that utilized large scale oil drilling and rapidly became the worlds largest exporter of oil and petroleum products.

But then oil field after oil field “ran dry” and was abandoned (many of those early fields are now being revisited with “fracking” technology in a rather desperate attempt to drain a few more million barrels from them). I mean, if it is an infinite resource that is produced by the Earth itself then how do you explain all the dried up wells in this country Mr. Corsi?

The usual response from the abiotic crowd is that the fields need time to replenish.

How much time usually isn’t offered up as part of the explanation…

73 Kragar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:31:11pm
74 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:31:49pm

re: #69 Justanotherhuman

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Are there reports of an asylum request?

75 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:32:02pm

re: #37 ObserverArt

Easy. Oil is slippery and when the earth rotates it slides around down there, so you can’t be sure it will be there all the time. You have to move to other places on earth and do tests to rediscover where it has slid off to. In time though, Texas will be all filled up again as the oil that slid off comes back around and joins up with the newly made oil and it’ll be boom times again. Corsi will be proven right!

Science isn’t that hard. Scientists just make it that way to keep themselves in jobs. It’s all in my new book Science for Everyone Else. I started it today and hope to finish tomorrow and get it up at WND and on sale by Monday.

/

That makes as much sense as God giving the three big plates underground a few spins so that the locations that have productive well locations are all switched up.
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76 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:32:04pm

re: #65 Killgore Trout

I don’t know. When I saw the beginning of the flight, it had jogged to the east after leaving Kyiv, but then the flight path switched to a southeast direction.

Perhaps Yanukoyvch got wind that there are large-scale anti-Yanuk protests in Kharkiv going on right now, and he decided that Mother Russia would be a bit safer. Maybe he’ll go visit Vlad while he’s there. A sympathetic shoulder is always welcome.

77 dog philosopher  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:32:30pm

re: #66 Kragar

Same kind of logic that applies when they try to justify other conservative theories.

Case in point: Keystone

“Environmentalists should love Keystone because the pipeline would mean fewer trucks on the road, burning less fuel and less time on the highway.”

Actually, it would mean no such thing. If the trucks were no longer needed to transport oil, they would not disappear. They would be retasked to cover other shipping needs.

They don’t see the big picture very well at all.

they supply their energy needs by believing their own brain farts and using them to power the gas heater

78 TedStriker  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:32:44pm

re: #70 Targetpractice

That “time” is an illusion. The only people who take that agreement seriously are the politicians who wrote it. Everybody else knows this doesn’t end without Yanuk resigning or being deposed.

At this point, I think Yanuk is trying to avoid the end of a rope.

79 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:33:08pm

re: #74 Killgore Trout

Are there reports of an asylum request?

Nope.

80 Kragar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:33:50pm

To President Yankovuch,

Keep running.

Youtube Video

81 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:33:55pm

re: #73 Kragar

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Wow, this could be it.

82 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:34:24pm

re: #72 AntonSirius

The usual response from the abiotic crowd is that the fields need time to replenish.

How much time usually isn’t offered up as part of the explanation…

Where it comes from doesn’t matter, it’s still adding CO2 to the atmosphere and we know what that is going to do.

83 Flounder  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:34:34pm

What is the chance Poland going into the Ukraine and kicking butt?

84 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:35:29pm

re: #81 Killgore Trout

That’s what it’s looking like.

Endgame.

85 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:36:28pm

re: #80 Kragar

To President Yankovuch,

Keep running.

[Embedded content]

I’d have gone with this.

Youtube Video

86 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:36:57pm

Yep.

87 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:37:14pm

Also…

88 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:37:35pm

re: #83 Flounder

What is the chance Poland going into the Ukraine and kicking butt?

I don’t think they’ll have to. Ukrainian military doesn’t seem interested in propping up the regime anymore. Poland is more worried about the influx of refugees if things get worse so they have an interest in keeping things chilly.

89 Political Atheist  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:37:50pm

re: #74 Killgore Trout

Are there reports of an asylum request?

Edward Snowden will greet him at the airport.

90 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:38:18pm

re: #86 Charles Johnson

Yep.

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He’s on the run. He knows that there’s no chance he’s gonna remain in power.

91 Kragar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:38:49pm

re: #86 Charles Johnson

Yep.

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He found 20,000 protestors in the streets waiting for him there.

92 Political Atheist  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:38:49pm

re: #87 Charles Johnson

CNN has journalists?
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93 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:39:37pm

re: #89 Political Atheist

Edward Snowden will greet him at the airport.

Ed already has dibs on the top bunk.

94 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:40:11pm

re: #90 Targetpractice

He’s on the run. He knows that there’s no chance he’s gonna remain in power.

Yep. Looks like it’s over for Yanukovych. If that plane is indeed his - AOJ92C - he’s in Russian airspace already.

Game over.

95 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:40:45pm

re: #92 Political Atheist

CNN has journalists?
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Blitzer clones from the secret lab that they are working up. Cheap and reliable (to a degree).
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96 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:40:52pm

re: #92 Political Atheist

CNN has journalists?
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CNN thanks Maduro for sending reporters home, CNN sent them out for coffee last week and hasn’t heard from them since.

97 Kragar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:41:16pm
98 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:41:26pm

re: #94 Dr Lizardo

Yep. Looks like it’s over for Yanukovych. If that plane is indeed his - AOJ92C - he’s in Russian airspace already.

Game over.

Oh, I’m sure that Vlad will make a lot of noise about how Yanuk is the “rightfully elected leader” or some shit and how Western leaders are wrong for supporting the “insurgents,” but in the end he’s not coming back. Or if he is, it will be to face trial.

99 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:43:47pm

re: #98 Targetpractice

Oh, I’m sure that Vlad will make a lot of noise about how Yanuk is the “rightfully elected leader” or some shit and how Western leaders are wrong for supporting the “insurgents,” but in the end he’s not coming back. Or if he is, it will be to face trial.

Heh….I can see Putin doing that. Making a great show of it and whatnot. But it looks like Yanukovych is done, and he knows it.

100 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:43:57pm
101 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:46:28pm

A nap never hurts.

102 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:46:57pm

Appears that Yanuk is headed for Sochi.

flightradar24.com

103 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:47:25pm

re: #27 Targetpractice

It also helps that a lot of those formerly “dry” wells were capped at a time when a barrel of oil was artificially low due to foreign production. Now that the price of a barrel has gone up, a lot of those wells that previously weren’t profitable to pump have become viable again.

There are small family-owned wells in N. Pennsylvania, near the original Drake field. They are shutdown for years at a time, then brought back when the price hits a magic number. Some produce only a few barrels per day. They were all down when I went to school there, the Model A and T Ford trucks that powered them rusting on their mounts.

104 Kragar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:47:27pm

The streets of Kharkiv right now, calling for Yanuk to step down

Youtube Video

This would be a place he considered a stronghold yesterday.

105 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:47:42pm

Just posted a page on the Medal of Honor recipients who are finally getting their awards after a review that found prejudice played a part. littlegreenfootballs.com

106 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:48:35pm

re: #102 Justanotherhuman

Appears that Yanuk is headed for Sochi.

flightradar24.com

Maybe he’ll stick the landing.

107 Gus  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:48:41pm

Interesting how the far-left idolizes Chavism which includes a heavy dose of Chavez’s militarism and hyper-nationalism.

108 TedStriker  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:49:31pm

re: #87 Charles Johnson

Also…

One of the first steps of a despotic regime that wants to crush dissent and wishes to hide it: sideline the international media.

109 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:50:23pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

A nap never hurts.

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“Una siestecita”, I think that would be a naplette.

110 Kragar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:50:27pm

re: #108 TedStriker

One of the first steps of a despotic regime that wants to crush dissent and wishes to hide it: sideline the international media.

“Just like Obama is doing with the FCC!”
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111 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:50:56pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

A nap never hurts.

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Oh…my grandson-in-law just came in with an adorable black miniature Schnauzer, about 2 lbs. Wish I could have kept him. : ) Just a pup, though, he’ll get up to about 15 lbs. They’re running a dog grooming business and have lots of it these days. Even my grandson is helping out.

112 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:51:19pm

re: #102 Justanotherhuman

Appears that Yanuk is headed for Sochi.

flightradar24.com

Maybe.


Of course this is the source I was griping about yesterday.

113 ausador  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:51:28pm

re: #67 Political Atheist

“Rented wolf” LOLOLOL

I saw that on the NBC main page and instantly called B.S. on it, yeah right, a perfectly groomed and perfectly clean prototypical timber wolf is wandering the athletes dormitory hallways at Sochi? Just the picture they were linking to with the story caused me to call foul on that one without even having to read it.

114 Kragar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:52:08pm
115 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:53:31pm

re: #107 Gus

Interesting how the far-left idolizes Chavism which includes a heavy dose of Chavez’s militarism and hyper-nationalism.

This is pretty good on that subject. She does it so gently, but she’ll be hounded anyway.

116 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:54:01pm

And where in the world is Yanuk? They’re still saying Kharkov.

Maxim Eristavi ‏@MaximEristavi 3m

RT @markmackinnon: RT @WilliamsJon US officials confirm President Yanukovich has left Kiev for Kharkov in Eastern #Ukraine.

117 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:55:20pm

re: #114 Kragar

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If he is quick maybe he can get a good deal on some Cubans!
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118 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:55:24pm

re: #114 Kragar

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And from all reports, the Army would have none of it.

119 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:56:07pm

re: #116 Justanotherhuman

There are no flights I’m seeing heading to Kharkiv from Kyiv.

120 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:56:24pm

re: #107 Gus

Interesting how the far-left idolizes Chavism which includes a heavy dose of Chavez’s militarism and hyper-nationalism.

The nutbags backing Chavez seem to be of the “if they thumb their nose at US foreign policy, they must be good” variety. Starting from that assumption, they just opt not to see anything they don’t want to.

121 Kragar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:57:04pm

re: #118 Targetpractice

And from all reports, the Army would have none of it.

Heard reports that in at least one case, the military arrested a police chief who ordered his men to fire on protestors.

122 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:57:09pm

This is excellent!

Lame attempt at propaganda: Russia-24 interviews a “wrong” deputy

euromaidanpr.wordpress.com

123 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:57:45pm

re: #119 Dr Lizardo

There are no flights I’m seeing heading to Kharkiv from Kyiv.

Just a diversion, more than likely. : )

124 Kragar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:57:48pm

re: #119 Dr Lizardo

There are no flights I’m seeing heading to Kharkiv from Kyiv.

Might have been a helicopter or small jet for local flights.

125 Gus  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:58:45pm

You can opt out of flight tracking. Even private jets have that option. Pierre Omidyar’s private jet for example has opted out.

126 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:00:35pm

And of course, one can’t discount the possibility that Yanukovych might have flown to Sochi for the closing ceremonies of the Winter Olympics as well.

127 Kragar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:01:11pm

re: #126 Dr Lizardo

And of course, one can’t discount the possibility that Yanukovych might have flown to Sochi for the closing ceremonies of the Winter Olympics as well.

I question the timing.

128 TedStriker  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:02:49pm

re: #125 Gus

You can opt out of flight tracking. Even private jets have that option. Pierre Omidyar’s private jet for example has opted out.

That’s rich, coming from one of the guys bankrolling GG’s “information wants to be free” mental masturbation enterprise.

129 ausador  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:02:59pm

re: #127 Kragar

I question the timing.

And the trees in Sochi are a little too short…

130 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:05:12pm

That flight has passed Sochi by and is heading along the coast of Georgia. Who knows where it will wind up.

flightradar24.com

131 EPR-radar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:05:36pm

re: #128 TedStriker

That’s rich, coming from one of the guys bankrolling GG’s “information wants to be free” mental masturbation enterprise.

Your information wants to be free. My information is private.

132 Gus  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:05:59pm

re: #128 TedStriker

That’s rich, coming from one of the guys bankrolling GG’s “information wants to be free” mental masturbation enterprise.

Yeah. It’s a Dassault Falcon 900EX. Had the tail number. Plugged it in to two different flight trackers. No dice. Opted out.

133 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:06:39pm

That plane - AOJ92C - looks like it’s heading not for Sochi, but for Azerbaijan!

So maybe that’s not Yanuk’s plane after all.

134 kerFuFFler  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:06:59pm

What really pisses me off about this nonsense is that the companies making all these massive messes will “close” the corporate shell companies “responsible” for maintaining the storage sites and then all of us lucky tax payers will get to pay for the privilege of cleaning it up.

And the mouth pieces for the energy companies continue to peddle the notion that solar, wind and what not are not “economic” because they can’t compete with the “low cost” of carbon fuels. How fricken much do carbon fuels cost if you factor in the exorbitant price tag of cleaning them up????

What also pisses me off royally is that these companies could pay a fraction of the cost of a cleanup for better containment to begin with. The very fact that they store dangerous residues in such a slipshod manner tips their hand that they were ALWAYS planning on passing the cleanup costs on to the tax payers. We would be better off as tax payers if the government just paid up front for the proper containment rather than letting all these toxins leach into everything. It would seem like a subsidy, but it would actually save us money.

Maybe the government should be in charge of handling all toxic wastes. We could then present the companies with a bill for what needed to be done. Better that than letting companies get away with scrimping on safety when they store this stuff.

135 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:07:40pm
136 Gus  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:08:30pm
137 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:11:42pm

re: #133 Dr Lizardo

That plane - AOJ92C - looks like it’s heading not for Sochi, but for Azerbaijan!

So maybe that’s not Yanuk’s plane after all.

I was thinking it might be going to Tbilisi—it has an international airport w/lots of European hubs there.

138 Gus  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:11:48pm

N171EX - SKY RIVER CONSULTING LLC (BELGRADE MT)
This aircraft (N171EX) is not available for public tracking per request from the owner/operator.

139 Gus  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:14:03pm

Aircraft License - 171EX - Sky River Management

140 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:14:10pm

re: #138 Gus

We demand to know where this plane is going so that we can take care of the matter.

141 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:14:58pm

re: #137 Justanotherhuman

I was thinking it might be going to Tbilisi—it has an international airport w/lots of European hubs there.

Good point. Lots of places he go to from there. Bit of a detour, but entirely possible.

142 Gus  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:17:17pm

WQAJ806

143 Gus  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:18:16pm

He uses a UPS store address there.

144 Stanley Sea  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:20:07pm

So the 3 racists at Ole Miss have lawyered up.

All three students are 19-year-old freshmen from Georgia, the school said. They were supposed to meet with the university police Thursday morning but did not show up, according to the school. On Thursday night, they declined through their attorneys to speak with university police without an arrest warrant.

washingtonpost.com

145 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:20:52pm

No, that flight doesn’t appear to be going to Tbilisi. Almost in Armenia airspace.

146 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:25:00pm

re: #144 Stanley Sea

So the 3 racists at Ole Miss have lawyered up.

washingtonpost.com

Frat boys as well. Chapter expelled them and the national suspended the chapter pending investigation. Good. Closing the barn door after the horse has left, but better than doing nothing. And recognizing that what your members do reflects upon your organization as a whole.

147 dog philosopher  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:25:54pm

re: #146 Feline Fearless Leader

Frat boys as well. Chapter expelled them and the national suspended the chapter pending investigation. Good. Closing the barn door after the horse has left, but better than doing nothing. And recognizing that what your members do reflects upon your organization as a whole.

how to get rid of 500 pounds of useless frat

148 Gus  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:27:14pm

SKY RIVER MANAGEMENT LLC is also located in Henderson, NV.

149 Tigger2  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:28:33pm

re: #74 Killgore Trout

Are there reports of an asylum request?

He’s going to be Snowdens roommate.

150 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:31:32pm
151 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:33:01pm

That plane I’ve been watching seems to be headed to Zvarnots Airport in Yerevan, Armenia.

152 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:33:10pm
153 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:34:26pm
154 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:36:58pm

re: #151 Dr Lizardo

That plane I’ve been watching seems to be headed to Zvarnots Airport in Yerevan, Armenia.

It seems to have landed there.

155 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:38:20pm

re: #154 Justanotherhuman

It didn’t. It’s heading toward Iran.

156 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:38:38pm

re: #154 Justanotherhuman

It seems to have landed there.

Maybe not

157 Flounder  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:39:30pm

Is he going to Disney?!
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158 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:39:48pm

re: #155 Dr Lizardo

It didn’t. It’s heading toward Iran.

Yeah, I thought that originally, but then it disappeared off the tracker.

Still there? I’ll check again.

159 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:39:50pm

re: #156 NJDhockeyfan

It just vanished off the radar several dozen kilometers away from Yerevan.

160 dog philosopher  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:42:11pm

what makes you guys think yanukovych is escaping?

161 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:42:45pm

re: #159 Dr Lizardo

It just vanished off the radar several dozen kilometers away from Yerevan.

A crash would be a some way to end it.

162 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:44:10pm

re: #160 dog philosopher

what makes you guys think yanukovych is escaping?

There have been reports about asylum in Russia and his house being cleaned out. Nothing confirmed yet but lots of reports.

163 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:44:26pm

Is it back on radar?

164 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:45:37pm

re: #163 NJDhockeyfan

Is it back on radar?

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Yes, it’s over Iran.

165 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:45:49pm

re: #161 NJDhockeyfan

Yes indeed. The ultimate resignation. But it was weird….it had passed Yerevan, heading directly towards Iran. I’d say about 50 or 60 km away from Yerevan, headed due southeast, towards the next airport, Tabriz Airport in Iran.

And then - shoop! it was gone.

166 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:46:33pm

re: #164 Justanotherhuman

Yep….just found it again.

Headed to Tabriz Airport, Iran.

167 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:47:38pm

re: #164 Justanotherhuman

Yes, it’s over Iran.

I’m not sure if that’s physically possible. That plane seems to be moving around very fast, I’ll have to bust out a map.

168 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:49:35pm

re: #167 Killgore Trout

I’m not sure if that’s physically possible. That plane seems to be moving around very fast, I’ll have to bust out a map.

Speed is 511 kt, has been pretty steady at around that. Flying at 39K ft and that’s been pretty steady also.

169 Gus  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:50:32pm

What’s the tail number?

170 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:51:01pm
171 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:51:28pm

re: #168 Justanotherhuman

Speed is 511 kt, has been pretty steady at around that. Flying at 39K ft and that’s been pretty steady also.

Yeah, looking at a map it’s about 1,000 miles from Ukraine to n. Iran. Seems possible, I thought they were further apart.

172 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:51:31pm

OT but good grief I am so sick of Disqus and the way they handle commenting on posts at NPR. Now they’ve changed it so you can’t see how many down votes a comment has received - one of the few real tools there was to deal with Trolls there besides flagging which never actually works. It’s like a “Can’t Let Trolls Feel Sad” rule or something.

Grrr.

Thank you, had to get that out of my system,

Now, where will Yanukovych really end up and what’s KT’s MBF for it?

173 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:53:31pm

Russian Press: Presidential impeachment bill introduced in Ukrainian parliament

A presidential impeachment bill was introduced in Ukrainian parliament on Friday evening. The bill was published on parliament’s website, but no details were provided. Soon after the bill’s introduction, President Viktor Yanukovich left for Kharkov to attend a summit of south-eastern regions, according to media reports.

174 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:54:47pm

So. Passed Tabriz. Going to Tehran? Really?

175 Gus  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:55:07pm

Apparently it has no tail number.

176 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:56:32pm

re: #174 Justanotherhuman

lolol

I can’t be 100% it’s Yanuk, but it’s certainly interesting to watch whomever this is fly to some unknown destination.

I found this about the plane:

airfleets.net

177 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:57:00pm

re: #174 Justanotherhuman

So. Passed Tabriz. Going to Tehran? Really?

I don’t blame him. Iranian food is better and Snowden never puts the cap back on the toothpaste.

178 Gus  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:58:12pm

re: #177 Killgore Trout

I don’t blame him. Iranian food is better and Snowden never puts the cap back on the toothpaste.

Plus I think Koch industries does business there.

180 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:59:48pm

re: #178 Gus

Plus I think Koch industries does business there.

Oil money for Christie’s helicopter!

181 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:00:46pm
Asked about rumors that Yanukovych had “fled” Kiev, after signing a deal with the Ukrainian opposition, the official appeared to play down the suggestion.

“As you know, it is not unusual after he makes large political moves for him to visit the east, where his base is,” the official said.

182 Gus  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:01:10pm

re: #180 Killgore Trout

Oil money for Christie’s helicopter!

Think so. Read it at Alternet.

183 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:02:45pm

re: #175 Gus

Apparently it has no tail number.

It’s this kind of plane: Airbus A318-112(CJ) Elite

Smallest airbus and not too many of them.

planespotters.net

184 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:02:49pm
185 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:03:48pm

He must be searching to an airport that will let him land. I suggest North Korea.

186 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:03:58pm

re: #184 NJDhockeyfan

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LOLOL.

Well, it’s someone from Kyiv flying to some destination in the Middle East.

187 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:05:41pm

re: #176 Dr Lizardo

lolol

I can’t be 100% it’s Yanuk, but it’s certainly interesting to watch whomever this is fly to some unknown destination.

I found this about the plane:

airfleets.net

Fucking Austrians. : )

avconjet.com

I’m wondering if they brought his money from Austria?

188 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:06:45pm

re: #186 Dr Lizardo

LOLOL.

Well, it’s someone from Kyiv flying to some destination in the Middle East.

He’s on a world tour tonight.

189 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:10:29pm

re: #188 NJDhockeyfan

“Please let me land! I brought cookies! And 500 million Euro!”

lolol

190 b.d.  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:11:10pm

It’s Justine Sacco flying around on job interviews.

191 thedopefishlives  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:11:23pm

re: #185 NJDhockeyfan

He must be searching to an airport that will let him land. I suggest North Korea.

I’m pretty sure international flight rules don’t generally let you just hunt around until you find an airport that will let you land. I could be wrong, though.

192 b.d.  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:12:47pm

REVOKE HIS PASSPORT AND HE WON’T BE ABLE TO LEAVE ANY AIRPORT ANYWHERE…….EVER!!!!!!

193 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:13:20pm

Here’s some details of how the negotiations happened
European Ministers Nudged Ukraine Political Compromise Along
A few interesting details. It seems Merkel played the heavy…

As the ministers listened in, she told him this was his only chance to end the conflict peacefully, the delegation member said

This is interesting too….

Mr. Yanukovych broke off from negotiations to consult Mr. Putin, who had sent a junior official to observe the talks. The U.S. wasn’t represented.

Russia only sent a low level clerk, US wasn’t even present. I think the “fuck the EU” policy meant we weren’t invited. Europeans and Canadians coordinated simultaneous sanctions a day or two ago, we are still contemplating sanctions.
Kudos to the Germans and French, looks like they did the right thing here.

194 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:14:23pm

re: #191 thedopefishlives

I’m pretty sure international flight rules don’t generally let you just hunt around until you find an airport that will let you land. I could be wrong, though.

Someone running for his life doesn’t play by the rules. It would be funny though if they can’t find a country who will let him land and he has to go back. The welcome party would be huge.

195 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:14:34pm

Ahhhh…….this is interesting, if accurate.

196 Gus  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:16:18pm

I see now the aircraft is changing owners as we speak.

197 thedopefishlives  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:16:25pm

re: #194 NJDhockeyfan

Someone running for his life doesn’t play by the rules. It would be funny though if they can’t find a country who will let him land and he has to go back. The welcome party would be huge.

Not playing by the rules, in this case, could earn him a fighter escort. Which, I admit, would be absolutely entertaining.

198 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:16:37pm
Mr. Sikorski arrived back in Warsaw Friday evening.

“We had signals that, should the deal fail, President Yanukovych was preparing to use internal affairs ministry forces and, should the failure come due to the opposition, the use of violence would be politically easier for him,” he told reporters there. “Those activists had lost friends and it is hardly surprising that they were reluctant about the deal.”

199 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:17:52pm

re: #193 Killgore Trout

Here’s some details of how the negotiations happened
European Ministers Nudged Ukraine Political Compromise Along
A few interesting details. It seems Merkel played the heavy…

This is interesting too….

Russia only sent a low level clerk, US wasn’t even present. I think the “fuck the EU” policy meant we weren’t invited. Europeans and Canadians coordinated simultaneous sanctions a day or two ago, we are still contemplating sanctions.
Kudos to the Germans and French, looks like they did the right thing here.

Again, ‘fuck the EU’ was an attitude and a remark, but not a policy.

200 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:18:32pm

Bypassing Tehran.

That airbus only has a range of 4K, but that’s well within the 2185 mi between Kiev & Dubai, also, which takes 4-1/2 hrs.

201 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:20:08pm

re: #193 Killgore Trout

Here’s some details of how the negotiations happened
European Ministers Nudged Ukraine Political Compromise Along
A few interesting details. It seems Merkel played the heavy…

This is interesting too….

Russia only sent a low level clerk, US wasn’t even present. I think the “fuck the EU” policy meant we weren’t invited. Europeans and Canadians coordinated simultaneous sanctions a day or two ago, we are still contemplating sanctions.
Kudos to the Germans and French, looks like they did the right thing here.

I don’t think we wanted to be invited. This was a Ukraine/European/Russian

202 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:20:36pm

re: #199 wrenchwench

Again, ‘fuck the EU’ was an attitude and a remark, but not a policy.

We were planning to work out a deal through the UN instead of the EU. When the EU went to solve the crisis it looks like they returned the favor and didn’t invite us. We’d do the same if positions were reversed.

203 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:20:44pm

re: #200 Justanotherhuman

Yep. Dubai’s nice; been there with my ex-wife. Flew on Emirates Air, first class. Oh yeah……sweet.

204 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:20:58pm

re: #200 Justanotherhuman

Bypassing Tehran.

That airbus only has a range of 4K, but that’s well within the 2185 mi between Kiev & Dubai, also, which takes 4-1/2 hrs.

205 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:21:19pm

re: #196 Gus

I see now the aircraft is changing owners as we speak.

What’s the endurance on that thing?

206 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:21:50pm

re: #204 NJDhockeyfan

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I’ll bet Dubai is nice this time of year.

207 thedopefishlives  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:22:13pm

re: #205 Decatur Deb

What’s the endurance on that thing?

See post #200. 4000 nmi is the maximum range, presuming it hasn’t been modified with additional fuel tanks or other long-range improvements.

208 Gus  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:22:39pm

re: #205 Decatur Deb

What’s the endurance on that thing?

Got me. Now they’re watching it go to Dubai. This is rather silly.

209 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:24:35pm

Heh

210 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:24:37pm

re: #207 thedopefishlives

See post #200. 4000 nmi is the maximum range, presuming it hasn’t been modified with additional fuel tanks or other long-range improvements.

re: #208 Gus

Got me. Now they’re watching it go to Dubai. This is rather silly.

I’m thinking in hours—the reported route isn’t crow-flies, is it?

211 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:24:54pm

re: #206 Killgore Trout

This is the best time of year to go. Summer is brutal there. Gaah.

212 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:25:55pm

Not much on this guy, but I did find this. No date on it.

Yuri Kossyuk , 44 , is a controversial leader of the poultry . His firm, Mironovski Jleboprodukt , draws per day to 3.6 million hens .

These large modern enterprises threaten the traditional image of the agricultural sector of Ukraine , where small family enterprises coexist with self-sufficiency megaholdings .

But analysts to the real problem lies in the link between business executives and political leadership . “Sometimes the smaller competitors are driven out of the area or find it very difficult task ” criticizes an advisory sector.

elpais.cr

213 thedopefishlives  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:27:55pm

re: #210 Decatur Deb

I’m thinking in hours—the reported route isn’t crow-flies, is it?

It depends. I’m mostly just entertained by the wild speculation. Unless there’s evidence I’m unaware of that this is his plane and he is on board?

214 CuriousLurker  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:29:23pm

*wanders in blinking, looking a bit dazed… flops down on couch*

I had the Spy open and was watching you guys talk about Yanuk and where he might be going, then JAH mentioned Tblisi and, wondering what it looks like, I decided to check out it’s Wiki page.

It’s a very unusual looking place, which made me even more curious—for me this was the equivalent of seeing the white rabbit with his watch run past. RABBIT!—*ZOOM!*—I jumped up and gave chase without a second thought, and immediately went tumbling down the rabbit hole.

Let’s just say that within 20 minutes I found myself gaping bug-eyed at stories about Indo-European wolf cults and their relationship to the Slavic & Baltic concept of werewolves, at which point I looked up, *blinked*, and mumbled to myself “WTF? How in the hell did I end up here??”

It went something like this:

Tblisi > Cool looking. Let me go check Google Images for more… Wait, WTF is that?? It looks like Persian architecture. I know it’s not far away, but Georgians are mostly Christian. Hmm, it says Abanotubani, so I guess I should go back to Wikipedia and check it out…

Abanotubani > The King of Iberia, Vakhtang Gorgasali? What? There was an Iberia in the Caucasus? And Vakhtang? That’s a very Iranian sounding name… Oh look, it was an Iranian name:

Vakhtang I of Iberia: Name

According to the Life of Vakhtang Gorgasali, the king was given at his birth an Iranian name Varazkhosrovtang, rendered in Georgian as Vakhtang. The name may indeed be derived from Iranian *warx-tang (vahrka-tanū)—“wolf-bodied”, a possible reflection of the wolf cult in ancient Georgia.

Wolf cult? Wow, time to go back to Google…

There he is—King Vakhtang!—in Google Books in section 2.1.1.5 of Indo-European and the Indo-Europeans: A Reconstruction and Historical Analysis of a Proto-Language and Proto-Culture . Sheesh, is that title a mouthful or what?

Anyway, I go back to the beginning of Chapter 2 so I can read everything and that’s where I found mention of werewovles and all kinds of other interesting stuff. Honest to God, I don’t know how some people are xenophobic—I find other cultures endlessly fascinating and I think the world would be soul crushingly boring if we were all looked, spoke, behaved & believed the same.

I really love the internet today. How did I ever live without it?

*gets up off couch*

Yeah, y’all can send me the bill for the therapy. //

215 thedopefishlives  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:30:18pm

re: #214 CuriousLurker

Ahh, the Wikiwalk. It’s amazing the really weird places you can land.

216 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:30:28pm

re: #212 Justanotherhuman

Not much on this guy, but I did find this. No date on it.

Yuri Kossyuk , 44 , is a controversial leader of the poultry . His firm, Mironovski Jleboprodukt , draws per day to 3.6 million hens .

These large modern enterprises threaten the traditional image of the agricultural sector of Ukraine , where small family enterprises coexist with self-sufficiency megaholdings .

But analysts to the real problem lies in the link between business executives and political leadership . “Sometimes the smaller competitors are driven out of the area or find it very difficult task ” criticizes an advisory sector.

elpais.cr

Yanuk is flying on a chicken jet?

217 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:30:52pm

Yikes!

218 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:31:05pm

It’s raining Lenins in Ukraine!

219 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:31:07pm

re: #213 thedopefishlives

It depends. I’m mostly just entertained by the wild speculation. Unless there’s evidence I’m unaware of that this is his plane and he is on board?

There was speculation, but it seems the plane is owned by a Ukrainian poultry oligarch. Most likely, it’s just the Ukrainian Col. Sanders off for some R&R in Dubai with his stunningly perfect 24-year old Ukrainian mistress.

220 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:31:50pm

re: #214 CuriousLurker

Is this why Jimmy Kimmel pulled that wolf gag at the Olympics?

/crosses the streams

221 CuriousLurker  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:31:54pm

re: #215 thedopefishlives

Ahh, the Wikiwalk. It’s amazing the really weird places you can land.

Oooh, the Wikiwalk—I like it! That’s a keeper. It makes me feel like Dug when he hears “SQUIRREL!” except for me it’s more like the White Rabbit.

222 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:32:50pm

I think there’s a very high likelihood he’s fleeing. Both the Russians and US have confirmed he’s travelling. This from the WSJ article….

When they reached the presidential palace early Thursday morning, the French and German delegations were told President Viktor Yanukovych had moved to a different location for security concerns. After several hours crisscrossing the Ukrainian capital by car, the delegations eventually returned to the palace, where the president had resurfaced.

Yesterday he didn’t feel the country was secure enough to stay in his own house. I think it’s very unlikely he’s now leaving town for a business meeting.

223 CuriousLurker  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:33:13pm

re: #220 wrenchwench

Is this why Jimmy Kimmel pulled that wolf gag at the Olympics?

/crosses the streams

Ha! I’d forgotten that you guys were talking about that too.

224 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:34:04pm

re: #212 Justanotherhuman

Not much on this guy, but I did find this. No date on it.

Yuri Kossyuk , 44 , is a controversial leader of the poultry . His firm, Mironovski Jleboprodukt , draws per day to 3.6 million hens .

These large modern enterprises threaten the traditional image of the agricultural sector of Ukraine , where small family enterprises coexist with self-sufficiency megaholdings .

But analysts to the real problem lies in the link between business executives and political leadership . “Sometimes the smaller competitors are driven out of the area or find it very difficult task ” criticizes an advisory sector.

elpais.cr

“controversial leader of the poultry” - Epic title

225 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:34:30pm

re: #217 Justanotherhuman

Yikes!

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What a rat.

226 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:34:36pm

re: #222 Killgore Trout

I think there’s a very high likelihood he’s fleeing. Both the Russians and US have confirmed he’s travelling. This from the WSJ article….

Yesterday he didn’t feel the country was secure enough to stay in his own house. I think it’s very unlikely he’s now leaving town for a business meeting.

I heard he had an Amway meeting scheduled for tomorrow morning in Dubai.

227 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:34:56pm

re: #222 Killgore Trout

I think there’s a very high likelihood he’s fleeing. Both the Russians and US have confirmed he’s travelling. This from the WSJ article….

Yesterday he didn’t feel the country was secure enough to stay in his own house. I think it’s very unlikely he’s now leaving town for a business meeting.

Yeah esp now that all the Lenin statues are being torn down.

228 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:34:59pm

re: #218 NJDhockeyfan

It’s raining Lenins in Ukraine!

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I want one.

229 thedopefishlives  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:35:01pm

re: #219 Dr Lizardo

There was speculation, but it seems the plane is owned by a Ukrainian poultry oligarch. Most likely, it’s just the Ukrainian Col. Sanders off for some R&R in Dubai with his stunningly perfect 24-year old Ukrainian mistress.

To be fair to those who believe Yanukovych is on board, if I were the despotic would-be dictator of an Eastern European country and I were fleeing for my life from an angry violent mob, I doubt I’d use my own plane or anything that had any direct relation to me.

230 kirkspencer  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:36:04pm

re: #214 CuriousLurker

*wanders in looking blinking, looking a bit dazed… flops down on couch*

I had the Spy open and was watching you guys talk about Yanuk and where he might be going, then JAH mentioned Tblisi and, wondering what it looks like, I decided to check out it’s Wiki page.

It’s a very unusual looking place, which made me even more curious—for me this was the equivalent of seeing the white rabbit with his watch run past. RABBIT!—*ZOOM!*—I jumped up and gave chase without a second thought, and immediately went tumbling down the rabbit hole.

Let’s just say that within 20 minutes I found myself gaping bug-eyed at stories about Indo-European wolf cults and their relationship to the Slavic & Baltic concept of werewolves, at which point I looked up, *blinked*, and mumbled to myself “WTF? How in the hell did I end up here??”

It went something like this:

Tblisi > Cool looking. Let me go check Google Images for more… Wait, WTF is that?? It looks like Persian architecture. I know it’s not far away, but Georgians are mostly Christian. Hmm, it says Abanotubani, so I guess I should go back to Wikipedia and check it out…

Abanotubani > The King of Iberia, Vakhtang Gorgasali? What? There was an Iberia in the Caucasus? And Vakhtang? That’s a very Iranian sounding name… Oh look, it was an Iranian name:

Wolf cult? Wow, time to go back to Google…

There he is—King Vakhtang!—in Google Books in section 2.1.1.5 of Indo-European and the Indo-Europeans: A Reconstruction and Historical Analysis of a Proto-Language and Proto-Culture . Sheesh, is that title a mouthful or what?

Anyway, I go back to the beginning of Chapter 2 so I can read everything and that’s where I found mention of werewovles and all kinds of other interesting stuff. Honest to God, I don’t know how some people are xenophobic—I find other cultures endlessly fascinating and I think the world would be soul crushingly boring if we were all looked & believed the same.

I really love the internet today. How did I ever live without it?

*gets up off couch*

Yeah, y’all can send me the bill for the therapy. //

Used to do this with print encyclopedias, it’s just fun that everyone now does it with wiki.

231 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:36:06pm

re: #224 Killgore Trout

“controversial leader of the poultry” - Epic title

“Poultry of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your nest boxes!”

232 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:36:19pm

re: #228 Killgore Trout

I want one.

One is big enough for all your frogs to move in to.

233 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:36:42pm

re: #229 thedopefishlives

To be fair to those who believe Yanukovych is on board, if I were the despotic would-be dictator of an Eastern European country and I were fleeing for my life from an angry violent mob, I doubt I’d use my own plane or anything that had any direct relation to me.

Yeah, well it’s not his plane. Just the jet of someone he made very rich.

234 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:37:22pm

re: #229 thedopefishlives

To be fair to those who believe Yanukovych is on board, if I were the despotic would-be dictator of an Eastern European country and I were fleeing for my life from an angry violent mob, I doubt I’d use my own plane or anything that had any direct relation to me.

That’s a good point; I know I wouldn’t. I’d use a private charter jet, or a jet from someone I knew and trusted.

235 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:37:24pm

re: #231 Dr Lizardo

“Poultry of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your next boxes!”

Corn feed is the opiate of the masses!

236 thedopefishlives  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:37:37pm

re: #233 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, well it’s not his plane. Just the jet of someone he made very rich.

Which is exactly my point. It not being his plane does not specifically rule out the possibility that he might still be on it.

237 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:38:34pm

re: #232 NJDhockeyfan

One is big enough for all your frogs to move in to.

The frogs are waking up after being silent all winter. It’s nice to hear them again.

238 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:38:37pm

re: #224 Killgore Trout

“controversial leader of the poultry” - Epic title

Forget Col. Sanders—we’re talking Voghorn Zleghorn here.

239 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:41:25pm

re: #237 Killgore Trout

The frogs are waking up after being silent all winter. It’s nice to hear them again.

I walked down a street yesterday before the storms hit and frogs were croaking all over the place.

240 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:41:29pm

re: #230 kirkspencer

Used to do this with print encyclopedias, it’s just fun that everyone now does it with wiki.

But the problem with Wiki is that you take your chances.

Wiki is not always objective or accurate, as the old Americana and Brittanica encyclopedias used to be. There are a lot of vanity bios as well. I always look for original sources used and go directly there a lot of the time.

I had a set of Americanas in1962 and kept them for a long time; used them heavily, but they could get dated quickly in some subjects.

241 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:43:14pm
242 CuriousLurker  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:45:39pm

re: #240 Justanotherhuman

But the problem with Wiki is that you take your chances.

Wiki is not always objective or accurate, as the old Americana and Brittanica encyclopedias used to be. There are a lot of vanity bios as well. I always look for original sources used and go directly there a lot of the time.

I had a set of Americanas in1962 and kept them for a long time; used them heavily, but they could get dated quickly in some subjects.

Yes, any time you’re looking for serious info you can’t trust Wikipedia 100%. The citations must be followed up on, and it’s not uncommon to find sources that are far from objective (or accurate).

243 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:48:07pm

Are they counting their chickens?

244 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:50:09pm

re: #243 wrenchwench

Are they counting their chickens?

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I know where they can buy an ark with bitcoins

245 kirkspencer  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:50:52pm

re: #240 Justanotherhuman

But the problem with Wiki is that you take your chances.

Wiki is not always objective or accurate, as the old Americana and Brittanica encyclopedias used to be. There are a lot of vanity bios as well. I always look for original sources used and go directly there a lot of the time.

I had a set of Americanas in1962 and kept them for a long time; used them heavily, but they could get dated quickly in some subjects.

except… I used to maintain a link to a comparative analysis done a few years ago - wiki vs encyclopedia brit vs encyclopedia americana.

The reasons for inaccuracy differed, but the proportion of inaccurate articles was surprisingly similar. Bottom line, don’t dismiss it just because it’s wikipedia.

Wiki works (for me) for a quick check on a subject, just as I used EB or EA. And all work for a (love the term and am going to use it) wikiwalk. If I’m doing serious research it works as a starting point - but never as a sole source.

(That, by the way, was one of the things I used to get peeved about in school research papers. Teachers would approve sole source material if it was EB or EA or such - but solid research means do not trust interpretive sources without independent confirmation.)

247 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:52:07pm

Today’s headlines….

Vitali Klitschko: Fighter shows champion form, adds big ‘win’ in Ukraine deal


Boxer Vitali Klitschko is an opposing force in his Ukraine homeland

From the Fuck the EU call…

“I don’t think Klitschko should go into the government. I don’t think it’s necessary. I don’t think it’s a good idea,” said Nuland.

248 makeitstop  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:53:28pm

I am the Wordbank, co-co-ca-joob…

The son of a friend of my wife is responsible for the ‘walrus/wordbank’ thing.

249 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:54:36pm


Youtube Video

250 bratwurst  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:56:20pm

Space Jam sequel starring LeBron James in the works?

If they add Blake Griffin it could be 90 minutes of pure product placement!

251 Bear  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:59:10pm

Where is that infamous plane now? Still in the air?

252 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:02:16pm

re: #251 Bear

Where is that infamous plane now? Still in the air?

Appears to have dropped off the radar.

253 Bear  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:03:48pm

re: #252 Justanotherhuman

TNX

254 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:05:10pm

ukraine.usembassy.gov

255 b.d.  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:06:06pm

WOW, WE HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO FOLLOW AIRCRAFT WHILE IT IS IN THE AIR AND EVEN KNOW WHOSE PLANE IT IS!?!?!?! THANK YOU EDWARD SNOWDEN FOR EXPOSING THIS OR WE MIGHT NEVER HAVE FOUND OUT!!

256 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:06:39pm

re: #246 NJDhockeyfan

Alabama couple journeys into Ukraine’s bloody riots — to adopt four orphans

Part of an organization that gathers orphans from Ukraine. Slightly creepy, if you ask me.

Orphan Project

Three to four times each year, Bridges of Faith brings Ukrainian orphans to BridgeStone, our 140 acre retreat center in Central Alabama, to taste Alabama culture, faith, and life. All volunteer driven, hundreds of people from across America and Ukraine work together to demonstrate His love for these kids. Though not an adoption agency, families meet the children and often invite these kids into their forever families. Though designed for the children they rock out worlds with who they are. All involved see the Face of God. No one is ever the same again..

257 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:06:48pm

re: #252 Justanotherhuman

Appears to have dropped off the radar.

258 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:08:02pm

re: #249 wrenchwench

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Democracy takes a lot of tea.

259 TedStriker  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:08:51pm

re: #256 wrenchwench

Part of an organization that gathers orphans from Ukraine. Slightly creepy, if you ask me.

Egads…the first part of that ‘mission statement’ was innocuous enough, but the second part was creeptastic.

260 thedopefishlives  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:09:31pm

re: #257 NJDhockeyfan

The conspiracy factor just went up to 11.

261 b.d.  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:11:16pm

Condo at the Burj Khalifa? A place next to Beckham at The Palms or the Ukraine Island at The World?

No shortage of nice digs.

262 Stanley Sea  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:13:12pm

You’ve probably seen this photo before, but the tweeter’s commentary requests it be posted again.

263 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:13:34pm

re: #260 thedopefishlives

The conspiracy factor just went up to 11.

It’s back. Looks like it’s headed to Dubai, or maybe Abu Dhabi.

264 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:14:20pm

re: #259 TedStriker

Egads…the first part of that ‘mission statement’ was innocuous enough, but the second part was creeptastic.

Good-hearted folks who want to help poor orphans, as long as they’re white Christians.

265 Mattand  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:19:46pm

re: #264 wrenchwench

Good-hearted folks who want to help poor orphans, as long as they’re white Christians.

I wonder if they tell the kids they’re not taking with them that God didn’t love them enough.

266 Stanley Sea  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:21:58pm

WW - today on my way home I saw the border patrol in action.

Busted a middle aged lady in a rather nice van, it appeared.

Traffic stopped forever. Maybe the traffic will make people see how ridiculous it was. Maybe not.

267 Kragar  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:24:08pm
268 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:24:29pm

That mystery plane looks like its on course to land in Dubai. I guess I’ll take the opportunity to wish whomever is on it - whether President Yanukovych, some hot Ukrainian blonde supermodel, or a poultry tycoon - a pleasant holiday.

269 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:25:14pm

re: #266 Stanley Sea

WW - today on my way home I saw the border patrol in action.

Busted a middle aged lady in a rather nice van, it appeared.

Traffic stopped forever. Maybe the traffic will make people see how ridiculous it was. Maybe not.

A lot of people will just wonder why she was driving such a nice van. An amazing number of people have a default assumption that if law enforcement is dealing with someone, that someone did something bad.

270 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:25:17pm

re: #256 wrenchwench

Part of an organization that gathers orphans from Ukraine. Slightly creepy, if you ask me.

They really are—and old Tom has a Ukrainian wife who he obviously converted.

“Larissa, Tom’s wife, taught English and linguistics at the university level in Ukraine while also serving as one of the favorite interpreters of English speaking ministries in Ukraine. Her depth of understanding of Scripture, passion for Christ, and love for people immediately set Larissa apart. Raised an atheist behind the Iron Curtain and dramatically apprehended by Christ in 1993, Larissa has moved the ministry of Bridges of Faith forward with her gifts of leadership, hospitality, linguistics, and hands of ministry to children.”

Nothing like a converted zealot. And she was no orphan, nor poor, it would seem.

And they invade…and sounds like they kill, too.

“Joyfully radical, the BOF family lives James 1:27. Armed with lethal love, short-term teams invade Ukrainian orphanages, revolutionizing young lives that were headed for destruction. “

Not the orphans’ stories, but theirs.

bridgesoffaith.com

What a load of horse shit. Ukraine is not Romania, nor Moldova, nor Russia. But now, prospective adoptive parents are turning to Ukraine but Ukraine is not wide open. It is being pushed for those looking for white babies.

thedailybeast.com

271 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:26:24pm

re: #270 Justanotherhuman

And Americans were recently banned from adopting Russian orphans.

ETA: as your second link says right off the bat…

272 Stanley Sea  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:29:46pm

The orphan business is a strange one.

273 thedopefishlives  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:31:15pm

re: #269 wrenchwench

A lot of people will just wonder why she was driving such a nice van. An amazing number of people have a default assumption that if law enforcement is dealing with someone, that someone did something bad.

Which presents people with an interesting dichotomy on a day like today, where I saw no less than 7 police officers - all stopped for cars who ran off the road in the extremely treacherous icy conditions.

274 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:32:14pm

re: #273 thedopefishlives

Which presents people with an interesting dichotomy on a day like today, where I saw no less than 7 police officers - all stopped for cars who ran off the road in the extremely treacherous icy conditions.

Running off the road is bad….

275 thedopefishlives  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:32:47pm

re: #274 wrenchwench

Running off the road is bad….

Which is true, but they didn’t do anything wrong, per se. Although I wouldn’t be surprised if some of them did.

276 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:36:59pm

re: #271 wrenchwench

And Americans were recently banned from adopting Russian orphans.

ETA: as your second link says right off the bat…

Yes. This site seems to have a handle on these kinds of adoptions as well.

theadoptionspotlight.wordpress.com

There are a lot of scams out there.

277 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:50:23pm

A march to general Russian consulate in Kharkiv

ukrstream.tv

Not your people, Yanuk.


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