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Extraordinary Events in Ukraine: Government Collapses, Yanukovych Flees

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Here’s the New York Times report: Ukraine’s Leader Flees Palace as Protesters Widen Control.

KIEV, Ukraine — Abandoned by his own guards and reviled across the Ukrainian capital but still determined to recover his shredded authority, President Viktor F. Yanukovych fled Kiev on Saturday to denounce what he called a violent coup, as his official residence, his vast, colonnaded office complex and other once impregnable centers of power fell without a fight to throngs of joyous citizens stunned by their triumph.

As President Yanukovych’s nemesis, former Prime Minister Yulia V. Tymoshenko, was released from a penitentiary hospital, Parliament found the president unable to fulfill his duties and exercised its constitutional powers to set an election for May 25 to select his replacement. But with both President Yanukovych and his Russian patrons speaking of a “coup” carried out by “bandits” and “hooligans,” it was far from clear that the day’s lightning-quick events were the last act in a struggle that has not just convulsed Ukraine but expanded into an East-West confrontation reminiscent of the Cold War.

Video of Yulia Tymoshenko leaving the prison hospital:

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354 comments

1 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 9:59:40am

He may be in Russia now.

2 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:01:08am

re: #1 NJDhockeyfan

Youtube Video

3 Testy Toad T  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:01:45am

Centers of power “falling without a fight” is an interesting interpretation of a “violent coup”.

Not being an expert on internal Ukranian affairs, I have no idea who the good-est folks are in all of this, but I’m pretty sure ol’ Yanko isn’t one of them.

4 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:01:59am

Is that a KICK ME sign on his shirt?

5 Testy Toad T  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:03:19am

re: #3 Testy Toad T

Not being an expert on internal Ukranian affairs, I have no idea who the good-est folks are in all of this, but I’m pretty sure ol’ Yanko isn’t one of them.

Given how Putin seems to reward those who fail him, I hope Yanukovych ends up FSB bunkmates with Snowjob.

6 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:04:00am
7 Targetpractice  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:04:39am

And already the Russians are making noises about how they totally oppose this turn of events and are blaming the West for not holding the opposition to the agreement that was signed.

8 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:04:56am

For those who are interested, here is The Wall Street Journal’s link to live updates in the Ukraine: stream.wsj.com

9 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:05:06am
10 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:05:56am

re: #5 Testy Toad T

The words, “You have failed me for the last time…..” spring to mind.

11 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:07:05am

re: #7 Targetpractice

And already the Russians are making noises about how they totally oppose this turn of events and are blaming the West for not holding the opposition to the agreement that was signed.

Youtube Video

12 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:07:26am

Very good read.

Last Hours of Dictatorship in Ukraine

euromaidanpr.wordpress.com

13 Testy Toad T  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:07:31am

re: #10 Dr Lizardo

The words, “You have failed me for the last time…..” spring to mind.

“He’s more shirtless bear wrestler now, than man… twisted and evil.”

14 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:09:04am

Man, you wake up and the world is changed.

Sic semper tyrannis

15 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:09:31am
16 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:11:01am

So all these police thugs and snipers were just buying time so Yanyukovich and his cronies could see that their assets were safely parked overseas before fleeing?

17 Testy Toad T  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:11:07am

If any other eastern European governments fall, can we call this the Vodka Spring?

Pretty please?

18 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:12:37am

re: #17 Testy Toad T

That sounds good to me.

19 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:13:06am

re: #16 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

Probably, sad to say.

20 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:13:35am
21 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:13:36am

You know that Lukaschenko in Byelarus is really tightening the lid on security and surveillance of opposition leaders, he must be worried sick.

22 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:15:20am

re: #21 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

You know that Lukaschenko in Byelarus is really tightening the lid on security and surveillance of opposition leaders, he must be worried sick.

Lukashenko has gotta be shitting bricks, at least privately. I have little down that he’s ordered his security and intel services to make damned sure that absolutely nothing similar happens in Belarus.

23 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:15:25am
24 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:16:49am
25 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:17:00am

re: #21 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

You know that Lukaschenko in Byelarus is really tightening the lid on security and surveillance of opposition leaders, he must be worried sick.

I imagine that security is not the only thing that is tightening in relation to Lukaschenko, if you get my drift.

26 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:17:51am

re: #25 austin_blue

lol

27 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:17:54am

re: #12 Justanotherhuman

Very good read.

Last Hours of Dictatorship in Ukraine

euromaidanpr.wordpress.com

Interesting…

The most important finding so far is documents found floating in the river. These documents, which were fished out of the water, contain information and personal data on activists and journalists, data on bribes, and records of cash payments for luxurious renovations of the residences and offices of the President. There are signs of someone having tried to burn them. Photos of these documents are now being posted to Facebook. Yesterday, a huge number of documents were reported to have been removed from Mezhygiriya. Some of them had indeed been burned. There were also reports of documents being burned in offices of the Security Services around Ukraine. The golden toilet is yet to be found, but among the more impressive findings so far is a golden portrait of Yanukovych that weights approximately one kilogram.

28 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:17:55am
29 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:18:11am

re: #25 austin_blue

I imagine that security is not the only thing that is tightening in relation to Lukaschenko, if you get my drift.

I cannot imagine Putin squandering any political capital on defending a petty tyrant like that, either.

30 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:21:42am

Victory belongs to carpenters, grocery clerks, and military veterans. I think there would have been many more dead without the help of the veterans. (Hat tip: goddamnedfrank, previous thread.)

Ten more here.

31 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:21:47am
32 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:23:20am
33 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:25:23am
34 dr. luba  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:25:23am

re: #4 NJDhockeyfan

Is that a KICK ME sign on his shirt?

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The top word seems to be Хабарник/Khabarnyk, meaning grafter/receiver of bribes. The bottom word is some derivation of Митниця/customs office. Shaming or labeling of criminals?

If this were Canada or the US, he would have been duct taped.

35 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:25:47am

Ukraine: Euromaidan meeting goes wrong

UDAR/УДАР (translates to “strike” or “punch”) is a pro-European political party in Ukraine headed by Vitali Klitschko. On 22/02/2014 UDAR activists organised meeting in Kerch (a city on the Kerch Peninsula of eastern Crimea). However, people of Kerch was not very hospitable to Euromaidan supporters.

Liveleak Video

Police trying to keep the peace.

36 dr. luba  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:26:50am

re: #33 Charles Johnson

The people who originally posted it have apologized, noting that it was meant to be a joke.

It was obvious that this was NOT Yanukovych’s toilet. His would have been solid gold, not some cheap imitation.

37 Testy Toad T  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:27:00am

re: #32 Justanotherhuman

@LukeReuters
It says a great deal about the wisdom and collectedness of Ukrainians that #Yanukovich’s residence was not trashed and looted today

Quoted for truth. I have a great deal more confidence in the safe, calm, and democratic transition of power in Ukraine than I did a week ago, or even a year ago before this all started.

It’s incredible, the way they’re able to separate their distaste for the man from respect for the country. I’m not very sure we could do that here.

38 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:27:43am

re: #35 Killgore Trout

Ukraine: Euromaidan meeting goes wrong

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Police trying to keep the peace.

Why did that embed “disappear” when I clicked on it? I’m having problems believing everything that comes out of Livelink these days.

39 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:32:29am

re: #38 Justanotherhuman

Why did that embed “disappear” when I clicked on it? I’m having problems believing everything that comes out of Livelink these days.

Live leak embeds are sometimes funky. You can see the video on the front page of live leak, might work better for you
liveleak.com

40 Lidane  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:37:03am
41 Lidane  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:38:16am
42 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:38:18am

8 dead as Venezuela turmoil continues, leader asks for Obama’s help

News media on Saturday reported two more deaths Friday night in Caracas. And in a surprise announcement at a late night news conference Friday, President Nicolas Maduro called on President Obama to enter into negotiations with Venezuelan officials to settle differences. He also rescinded a previous order expelling CNN news crews from Venezuela

43 dr. luba  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:38:32am

re: #39 Killgore Trout

What kind of thugs attack peaceful protestors during the playing of the national anthem?

44 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:39:46am

Russian desperation:

45 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:41:01am

re: #43 dr. luba

What kind of thugs attack peaceful protestors during the playing of the national anthem?

Government loyalists in the east. There will be plenty of heard feelings for a while, hopefully they’ll get things sorted out.

46 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:41:22am

re: #39 Killgore Trout

Live leak embeds are sometimes funky. You can see the video on the front page of live leak, might work better for you
liveleak.com

Well, since “DoDidDone” has only been active since Dec-26-2013, and since no one in that video is ID’d, esp the woman at the podium, or anyone else for that matter, and since it appears people were yelling at the cops, with some hooliganism ensuing later in the tape, I’m not giving it any credibility.

47 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:42:29am

re: #44 NJDhockeyfan

Russian desperation:

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I think Russia gave up on Ukraine a few days ago. They only sent a low level diplomat to the EU negotiations. Maybe they realize there’s not much hope.

48 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:42:45am

re: #44 NJDhockeyfan

Such delicious butthurt and tears.

49 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:43:11am

Russian deputy PM dismisses assault on Pussy Riot

Yep, those bitches was just askin’ to get horsewhippd by Cossacks!!!

50 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:44:27am

re: #46 Justanotherhuman

Well, since “DoDidDone” has only been active since Dec-26-2013, and since no one in that video is ID’d, esp the woman at the podium, or anyone else for that matter, and since it appears people were yelling at the cops, with some hooliganism ensuing later in the tape, I’m not giving it any credibility.

It’s hard to tell who’s who and what’s going on in the video. The only word I can pick up is the accusations of “fascist”. There’s a quick glimpse of burning an American flag towards the end but not many clues to go on.

51 Lidane  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:45:35am

WTFITS:

52 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:47:05am

re: #39 Killgore Trout

Live leak embeds are sometimes funky. You can see the video on the front page of live leak, might work better for you
liveleak.com

kerch.tv

53 dr. luba  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:47:07am

re: #45 Killgore Trout

Government loyalists in the east. There will be plenty of heard feelings for a while, hopefully they’ll get things sorted out.

Which government? Those thugs were waving the Russian flag and chanting “Rossiya”!

54 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:47:56am

re: #53 dr. luba

Which government? Those thugs were waving the Russian flag and chanting “Rossiya”!

They’re loyal to Russia, not Ukraine.

55 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:48:13am
56 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:49:00am

re: #51 Lidane

WTFITS:

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That’s from Thursday…

57 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:49:19am

re: #52 Gus

kerch.tv

Ah, thanks. That’s it

58 Lidane  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:50:16am

re: #56 Justanotherhuman

That’s from Thursday…

But it’s still making the rounds on Twitter. That’s why I’m confused.

59 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:50:24am

re: #51 Lidane

WTFITS:

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That’s stale, two-day-old rwnj Putin love. The guy is about to turn 75. He may be the oldest known dudebro still in the wild.

Paul Craig Roberts (born April 3, 1939) is an American economist and a columnist for Creators Syndicate. He served as an Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration and was noted as a co-founder of Reaganomics.[1] He is a former editor and columnist for the Wall Street Journal, Business Week, and Scripps Howard News Service. He has testified before congressional committees on 30 occasions on issues of economic policy.

During the 21st century, Roberts has frequently published in Counterpunch, writing extensively about the effects of the Bush (and later Obama) administrations related to the War on Terror, which he says have destroyed the US Constitution’s protections of Americans’ civil liberties, such as habeas corpus and due process. He has taken positions different from former Republican allies, opposing the War on Drugs and the War on Terror, and criticizing Israel’s policies and actions against the Palestinians.[2]

60 dr. luba  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:51:53am

re: #50 Killgore Trout

It’s hard to tell who’s who and what’s going on in the video. The only word I can pick up is the accusations of “fascist”. There’s a quick glimpse of burning an American flag towards the end but not many clues to go on.

“Fascist” is a term that the Russians (and their flunkies) use to describe people from west Ukraine, or anyone who doesn’t toe the pro-Russia line. They particularly hate western Ukraine because the insurgent army there kept battling the Soviets well into the 50s. WWII didn’t end in 1945 in many areas of the Carpathians, the last stronghold of Ukrainian nationalists, it only meant one less army to fight.

61 Lidane  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:52:32am

re: #59 wrenchwench

He may be the oldest known dudebro still in the wild.

That explains a lot, actually. I had never even heard of that guy until I started seeing a link to his derp at Counterpunch show up on my TL.

62 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:55:17am

among the disappointed must be certain hard-right members of our Tea Party crowd who have taken a liking to Putin over the last few years.

To them, any sort of weakness is not incumbent of a dear leader, and Putin epitomized (in their neolithic minds) the sort of (white) man who can impose an ideological will upon a country and exert direct and threatening influence over his neighbor countries. Now, Putin is handcuffed by thousands of foreign athletes inside his country and the world’s attention to any sort of provocative action. it turns out these Olympics will be remembered as the start of the downfall of Putin, and the exact opposite of what he had in mind.

63 dr. luba  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:55:19am

re: #59 wrenchwench

That’s stale, two-day-old rwnj Putin love. The guy is about to turn 75. He may be the oldest known dudebro still in the wild.

What is it with all the Putin love on the right? This is the same contingent who were so anti-communist a few decades ago. I realize they hate Obama, and Putin hates Obama, but still.

64 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:56:16am

Gold-toilet-tweeter switches to Venezuela:


Looks like a Guinness record for a line at McDonald’s (golden arches at the right).

65 Lidane  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:57:03am

re: #63 dr. luba

What is it with all the Putin love on the right? This is the same contingent who were so anti-communist a few decades ago. I realize they hate Obama, and Putin hates Obama, but still.

Putin’s a manly, bear-wrasslin’, queer hatin’ Real Man.

///

66 dr. luba  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:57:09am

re: #62 Rocky-in-Connecticut

It’s often been said that Russians love to have a strong man to lead them, and authoritarian. There are still many who pine for Stalin, FWIW.

It seems the same is true of our right……

67 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:58:09am

re: #63 dr. luba

What is it with all the Putin love on the right? This is the same contingent who were so anti-communist a few decades ago. I realize they hate Obama, and Putin hates Obama, but still.

I’m not sure it’s the same contingent. I think a different sect is ascendant among the rwnjs these days. The end of the cold war quieted the previous batch.

68 Lidane  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:58:44am

re: #66 dr. luba

It’s often been said that Russians love to have a strong man to lead them, and authoritarian. There are still many who pine for Stalin, FWIW.

It seems the same is true of our right……

I’ve said for ages that the collapse of the Soviet Union was the worst thing to happen to the American right. Without a single, all-encompassing enemy to focus all their bile at, they’re completely lost. They default to hating everyone else.

69 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:00:14am

re: #57 Killgore Trout

Ah, thanks. That’s it

Sort of eventually links to a story here.

12:30 People are returning back to the area because they believe - it is not yet completed. People carry Russian flags, as passing cars with the flags of Russia and St. George ribbon.

12:38 On the square in the Pantheon of Fame harness U.S. flag. People are not going to disperse, waiting for possible reinforcements by the protesters. Organizers of the rally left the place, the police set up their corridor, but the townspeople had to give them some poking.

People fighting spirit, all shout: “No Bendera!” “Glory golden eagle!” “Russia!” There are flags of the Russian Federation.

70 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:03:23am

They sure have a lot of tough guys in that part of the world.

71 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:05:19am

72 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:05:57am

Hmm. Link didn’t work.

73 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:06:34am
74 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:06:53am

re: #71 Gus

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This is what happens when you beat the Russian hockey team.

75 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:07:18am

re: #70 Gus

They sure have a lot of tough guys in that part of the world.

Russians are scary
Youtube Video

76 thedopefishlives  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:07:18am

re: #64 wrenchwench

Gold-toilet-tweeter switches to Venezuela:

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Looks like a Guinness record for a line at McDonald’s (golden arches at the right).

Looks like the McRib must be back./////

Afternoon Lizardim from the bitterly cold wild north country. How go things among the lizardfolk as we wait with bated breath for the next scene in the Ukrainian drama?

77 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:07:56am

Meanwhile, in Mexico, Chapo Guzman has been recaptured after 13 years on the loose.

78 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:09:33am
79 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:10:19am
80 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:10:44am

re: #57 Killgore Trout

Ah, thanks. That’s it

More on this:

“Peace” rally “against lawlessness and violence against civilians”, on which the party said in Kerch “Blow” on his website, was not peaceful. As protesters threw eggs and shouted “Death to the Nazis.” According to eyewitnesses, a fight broke out, police had to separate the citizens. As noted by one of the participants of the meeting, party symbols, they did not show that, however, has not deterred people from disturbance.”

Note that original from “Blow” is in Russian. Not a surprise.

tvkerch.com

81 thedopefishlives  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:12:09am

So, question. Was it ever discovered if Yanukovych was, in fact, on the mystery plane, or is it just widely acknowledged that Elvis left the building sometime during the day yesterday and he hasn’t popped up again yet?

82 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:12:25am

re: #80 Justanotherhuman

More on this:

“Peace” rally “against lawlessness and violence against civilians”, on which the party said in Kerch “Blow” on his website, was not peaceful. As protesters threw eggs and shouted “Death to the Nazis.” According to eyewitnesses, a fight broke out, police had to separate the citizens. As noted by one of the participants of the meeting, party symbols, they did not show that, however, has not deterred people from disturbance.”

Note that original from “Blow” is in Russian. Not a surprise.

tvkerch.com

For some reason using the Google translate link messes things up.

83 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:12:39am
84 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:12:59am

re: #81 thedopefishlives

So, question. Was it ever discovered if Yanukovych was, in fact, on the mystery plane, or is it just widely acknowledged that Elvis left the building sometime during the day yesterday and he hasn’t popped up again yet?

Appears to be the latter right now.

85 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:13:21am
86 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:13:40am
87 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:14:45am

re: #86 Gus

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Free Bird!!!

88 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:14:51am

re: #78 Gus

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Look how un-blond her hair is where it grew in prison, compared to her blond braid.

89 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:17:39am

re: #88 wrenchwench

Look how un-blond her hair is where it grew in prison, compared to her blond braid.

I noticed that, too. Easily fixed, though.

She’s a suicide blonde, dyed by her own hand.

90 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:19:05am

re: #88 wrenchwench

Look how un-blond her hair is where it grew in prison, compared to her blond braid.

Yes, the blond braid was part of her “look”. I don’t imagine she was able to color her hair (no sin!) in prison, though.

91 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:19:59am
92 Tigger2  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:20:21am

re: #33 Charles Johnson

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That belongs to Cheney.

93 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:20:49am

re: #88 wrenchwench

Look how un-blond her hair is where it grew in prison, compared to her blond braid.

Was in a wheelchair as I’m sure you heard. She looks gaunt too.

94 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:21:34am

re: #66 dr. luba

It’s often been said that Russians love to have a strong man to lead them, and authoritarian. There are still many who pine for Stalin, FWIW.

It seems the same is true of our right……

He is just a screen on which they project their idealized view of what a leader should be: manly, authoritarian, religious, etc…

95 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:21:43am
96 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:21:46am
97 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:21:49am

re: #89 austin_blue

I noticed that, too. Easily fixed, though.

She’s a suicide blonde, dyed by her own hand.

re: #90 Justanotherhuman

Yes, the blond braid was part of her “look”. I don’t imagine she was able to color her hair (no sin!) in prison, though.

I’ve known people whose hair was rather brown when they didn’t get any sun, and quite blond when they did. I think she might be one of those.

98 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:22:12am

re: #88 wrenchwench

Look how un-blond her hair is where it grew in prison, compared to her blond braid.

I say hairpiece.

99 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:22:22am

Ukraine National Anthem English lyrics

Youtube Video

100 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:22:52am

Ahem.

101 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:23:47am

re: #96 Stanley Sea

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Ukrainians are having so much fun with this. : )

102 Targetpractice  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:23:54am

I find myself wondering if Yanuk is seeing the pictures of what is happening to his palace on the Net and, if so, what is going through his head.

103 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:25:54am

re: #102 Targetpractice

Sputtering, impotent rage?

104 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:26:36am

re: #102 Targetpractice

I find myself wondering if Yanuk is seeing the pictures of what is happening to his palace on the Net and, if so, what is going through his head.

His wife is probably freaking out.

105 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:27:04am

re: #101 Justanotherhuman

Ukrainians are having so much fun with this. : )

Well, sure, except for all the poor bastards who got shot down in the street.

Heroes, every one. Bless ‘em.

106 dr. luba  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:30:46am

re: #81 thedopefishlives

So, question. Was it ever discovered if Yanukovych was, in fact, on the mystery plane, or is it just widely acknowledged that Elvis left the building sometime during the day yesterday and he hasn’t popped up again yet?

Nothing yet. But the latest rumors have him in Donetsk.

107 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:31:59am

re: #105 austin_blue

Well, sure, except for all the poor bastards who got shot down in the street.

Heroes, every one. Bless ‘em.

Yes, they’re being honored as we type. I was actually referring to the Presidential Palace, which no one had ever seen first hand except for those who worked there.

Youtube Video

108 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:32:57am
109 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:33:14am
110 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:33:30am

And Yulia Tymoshenko speaking now.

Youtube Video

111 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:34:45am

Tymoshenko live video speaking to the crowd:

Youtube Video

112 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:34:53am

Holy shit.

113 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:35:01am

Heh.

114 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:35:26am

Gulp.

115 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:37:08am
116 Political Atheist  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:39:42am

Observer Art, I left an answer to your question at the metadata Page. Not sure if you subscribed to the Page so
littlegreenfootballs.com

117 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:41:02am
118 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:41:19am

119 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:43:16am

The Soviet empire continues to fall.

120 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:44:36am

re: #98 Stanley Sea

I say hairpiece.

I think that hair style like a national symbol and I’d be surprised if she faked it.

On the other hand, I am clearly wrong.

google.com

121 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:45:11am

re: #119 Gus

The Soviet empire continues to fall.

Communism sucks.

122 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:47:53am

Some background on Yulia Tymoshenko.

Profile: Yulia Tymoshenko

bbc.co.uk

123 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:48:37am

I thinks he’s right unfortunately.

124 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:48:47am

re: #121 NJDhockeyfan

Communism sucks.

I still hate communists. No apologies.

125 Lidane  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:49:36am

re: #120 wrenchwench

I think that hair style like a national symbol and I’d be surprised if she faked it.

On the other hand, I am clearly wrong.

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google.com

She’s been without the braids in public:

126 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:49:56am
127 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:51:34am

re: #120 wrenchwench

re: #125 Lidane

I’m still in my pajamas so I have no say in the fashion world today.

128 ObserverArt  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:51:42am

re: #63 dr. luba

What is it with all the Putin love on the right? This is the same contingent who were so anti-communist a few decades ago. I realize they hate Obama, and Putin hates Obama, but still.

Reminds me of a Beatles song from back in the peace-love days of protest.

“All you need is Love”

Except in the case of Obama/Putin you cite…all you need is hate.

129 Lidane  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:52:18am

Another photo without the braid. Her hair seems to be long enough to create that style without faking it:

130 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:53:25am


Tweeter is a WSJ reporter, fyi.

131 Lidane  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:53:44am

re: #127 Stanley Sea

I’m still in my pajamas so I have no say in the fashion world today.

Hah. So am I. It’s Saturday afternoon and I’m at home. No reason to deal with makeup or getting out of my PJ’s.

132 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:54:34am

Something has happened at the rally; they’re carrying someone out from the crowd.

133 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:54:41am
134 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:54:59am

re: #131 Lidane

Hah. So am I. It’s Saturday afternoon and I’m at home. No reason to deal with makeup or getting out of my PJ’s.

Exactly. High five!

135 ObserverArt  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:55:11am

re: #64 wrenchwench

Gold-toilet-tweeter switches to Venezuela:

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Looks like a Guinness record for a line at McDonald’s (golden arches at the right).

Must be the first time Micky D’s is serving up the McRib in Venezuela.

: )

136 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:55:18am

THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
February 22, 2014

Statement by the Press Secretary on Ukraine

The United States is closely monitoring developments in Ukraine. We have consistently advocated a de-escalation of violence, constitutional change, a coalition government, and early elections, and today’s developments could move us closer to that goal. The unshakeable principle guiding events must be that the people of Ukraine determine their own future. We welcome constructive work in the Rada and continue to urge the prompt formation of a broad, technocratic government of national unity. We welcome former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko’s release from a prison hospital today, and we wish her a speedy recovery as she seeks the appropriate medical treatment that she has long needed and sought.

We continue to urge an end to violence by all sides and a focus on peaceful, democratic dialogue, working pursuant to Ukraine’s constitution and through its institutions of government. Going forward, we will work with our allies, with Russia, and with appropriate European and international organizations to support a strong, prosperous, unified, and democratic Ukraine. Going forward, the Ukrainian people should know that the United States deeply values our long-standing ties with Ukraine and will support them as they pursue a path of democracy and economic development.

137 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:57:05am
138 Targetpractice  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:00:04pm

re: #123 NJDhockeyfan

I thinks he’s right unfortunately.

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The Ukraine’s been getting a bailout from Russia for awhile now. My guess is that Vlad will announce in the next few days that the lifeline’s being cut and there will be no further cash infusions.

139 ObserverArt  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:00:09pm

re: #76 thedopefishlives

Looks like the McRib must be back./////

Afternoon Lizardim from the bitterly cold wild north country. How go things among the lizardfolk as we wait with bated breath for the next scene in the Ukrainian drama?

Shoot. I rolled that McRib one out but was late. Real late.

I tell you, you can never get the jump on a lizard. Too well versed in popular culture, memes, news, world events, etc.

; )

140 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:01:01pm

re: #136 Gus

THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
February 22, 2014

Statement by the Press Secretary on Ukraine

Kudos, I was starting to get worried they were going to ignore this.

141 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:01:47pm

re: #140 Killgore Trout

Kudos, I was starting to get worried they were going to ignore this.

hahaha. Yeah.

142 Lidane  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:07:25pm

re: #141 Stanley Sea

hahaha. Yeah.

Don’t you know? The White House is totally going to ignore a major international story like the upheaval in Ukraine. True fact.

143 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:09:16pm

Death toll from 10 days of violence in Venezuela rises to at least 8 - @Reuters

144 klys  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:11:49pm

Public service announcement regarding a security issue in iOS and possibly Macs.

It’s Ars, so try to just ignore the dudebro-ish babble.

145 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:11:59pm

Note that the first comment remarks about “impressive work by the CIA”. Christ, that’s one of the things I really hate about social media—too many kooks and conspiracy theorists.

146 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:16:16pm

re: #145 Justanotherhuman

Note that the first comment remarks about “impressive work by the CIA”. Christ, that’s one of the things I really hate about social media—too many kooks and conspiracy theorists.

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It’s interesting that the Maidan protesters and the free Venezuela protesters have similar colors based on the national flag. The Chavistas use red and the former flag of Soviet controlled Ukraine was largely red.

147 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:18:12pm

“Going forward, we will work with our allies, with Russia,..”

Hope everyone caught that bit in the communique.

148 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:21:09pm
149 palomino  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:22:09pm

re: #126 Gus

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Russia’s gonna win the overall medal count in Sochi.

Maybe it will comfort them as they lose their loyal puppet in Ukraine.

150 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:22:21pm

re: #147 austin_blue

“Going forward, we will work with our allies, with Russia,..”

Hope everyone caught that bit in the communique.

I think Russia may be somewhat cooperative in Ukraine now that the government has fallen. The Russians probably don’t want a civil war in Ukraine either.

151 Political Atheist  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:23:07pm

You guys might recall the hummingbird shots i sometimes get? Just watching a female feed and it looks like she is carrying some cargo, as in little eggs! Not flying so fast and easily as usual. Mama is sure to teach the hatchlings where to get the best meal in the neighborhood as they learn to fly. I would so like to get some good shots of baby hummingbirds at the feeder.

152 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:23:09pm
153 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:23:35pm

re: #147 austin_blue

“Going forward, we will work with our allies, with Russia,..”

Hope everyone caught that bit in the communique.

Yeah, but what can the State Department say?

“If Russia so much as looks at Ukraine sideways, we’re gonna blow Moscow, Novosibirsk and St. Petersburg right off the f***ing map!” is not exactly…..diplomatic.

154 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:26:38pm

re: #153 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, but what can the State Department say?

“If Russia so much as looks at Ukraine sideways, we’re gonna blow Moscow, Novosibirsk and St. Petersburg right off the f***ing map!” is not exactly…..diplomatic.

Sorry, I was referring to the fact that we are clearly calling them out as the antagonists in this little rodeo show.

155 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:27:43pm
156 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:29:30pm

re: #154 austin_blue

Personally, I think it would do quite well to remind the Russians that Ukraine is not their vassal state, their colony, or anything else; it is a free, independent and sovereign nation, and the future that the Ukrainian people decide for themselves is their decision to make, not Moscow’s.

Or anyone else’s, for that matter.

157 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:30:43pm
158 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:31:10pm

re: #147 austin_blue

“Going forward, we will work with our allies, with Russia,..”

Hope everyone caught that bit in the communique.

Diplomacy is all about the weight of a comma…

159 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:31:20pm

re: #155 Justanotherhuman

160 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:31:35pm

re: #155 Justanotherhuman

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Youtube Video

161 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:33:36pm
162 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:33:38pm

re: #157 wrenchwench

Mexico AG says “certain U.S. agencies” helped to capture Chapo

…and he was hard to catch, as he was FURIOUSLY FAST!!!

163 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:34:10pm

re: #156 Dr Lizardo

Personally, I think it would do quite well to remind the Russians that Ukraine is not their vassal state, their colony, or anything else; it is a free, independent and sovereign nation, and the future that the Ukrainian people decide for themselves is their decision to make, not Moscow’s.

Or anyone else’s, for that matter.

We’ll find out after the closing ceremonies in Sochi, won’t we? Pooty had no such qualms about Georgia.

But yes, let’s hold that good thought.

164 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:34:13pm

Well, now.

165 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:38:21pm

English on the live feed. Dark haired woman translating. being translated. But she stepped down now.

Youtube Video

166 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:40:29pm

re: #155 Justanotherhuman

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He really should have negotiated his escape when he talked to the EU earlier in the week.

167 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:41:13pm

Another, unsung, hero here. There are plenty of those, too.

168 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:41:30pm

re: #164 Justanotherhuman

Well, now.

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Makes me smile.

169 Kragar  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:42:31pm
170 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:43:16pm

re: #164 Justanotherhuman

Well, now.

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The Kremlin must be livid right about now.

171 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:44:45pm

re: #170 Dr Lizardo

The Kremlin must be livid right about now.

I cannot imagine they did not know that Yanuk was planning to blow town

172 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:45:43pm

re: #171 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

I cannot imagine they did not know that Yanuk was planning to blow town

I’d think so as well, but sometimes events can catch governments by surprise.

173 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:46:26pm

@blogdiva is calling out Venezuelan propagandists, I think.

174 Kragar  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:47:26pm

re: #171 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

I cannot imagine they did not know that Yanuk was planning to blow town

“Yanuk, its Puti… Yeah, I hear you’re having some problems?”

“No no no, things are fine.”

“So you’re not in any trouble?”

“Nothing I can’t handle boss.”

“You sure? I mean, I’m kind of tied up with these games here, but…”

“Nope, got it covered.”

175 ObserverArt  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:47:58pm

re: #147 austin_blue

“Going forward, we will work with our allies, with Russia,..”

Hope everyone caught that bit in the communique.

You have to keep everyone in mind.

I’ve been wondering if this might not force ol’ Vlad Putin to rethink things. You can try to be heavy-handed and bold of word in your damnation of the events, but after most of the Ukraine protests have been real-time on the ‘net it is pretty hard to put out missives claiming a coup and blaming it on the violence of the protesters, etc.

Putin is a smart man. He has to see this is a strong shift in his part of the world and the old power structures are done. When you can no longer control the information and viewpoint you lose a lot of power. Vlad is losing a lot of power, and he has to see it draining away. I think he is smart enough to let the Ukraine go. He has lost the political battle and the world’s view of it all. Any heavy hand from Russia is just not going to sell. Too much to dispute it. His whole tough guy approach really has been cut down.

Really, I think he is now to the point where he has to realize he needs to jump into the world. He is just getting through the Olympics. Overall, the Russians are coming out of it looking pretty good. Putin wanted to look good to the world, to say trust the Russians, Russia is a great country and should be viewed as such by the world. How can he be a heavy now? He wants to move into a modern Russia, but wanted to do it his way. He may no longer to be able to do it his way. Now, the people may be doing the moving forward and he will have to be seen as a facilitating it as a politician if he wants to be seen favorably by anyone.

All of this may be coming together naturally and maybe real change is going to happen because there is no way to control it like “old” Russia could have controlled it. We may have just witnessed the world’s first people movement driven by digital connection. Out with the old…

176 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:48:36pm

We might be talking about two autocratic regimes collapsing today, folks:

177 Political Atheist  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:48:40pm

re: #174 Kragar

“Yanuk, its Puti… Yeah, I hear you’re having some problems?”

“No no no, things are fine.”

“So you’re not in any trouble.”

“Nothing I can’t handle boss.”

“You sure? I mean, I’m kind of tied up with these games here, but…”

“Nope, got it covered.”

“”Tanks but no tanks.”’

178 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:48:49pm

re: #173 wrenchwench

@blogdiva is calling out Venezuelan propagandists, I think.

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Nope. Looks like a Chavez tool to me.

179 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:49:20pm

re: #178 Gus

Nope. Looks like a Chavez tool to me.

Oh, sad. Thanks for interpreting.

180 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:50:09pm

re: #179 wrenchwench

Oh, sad. Thanks for interpreting.

YW. Not a surprise for me. :D

181 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:51:37pm

Maduro also rescinded his order expelling CNN. Wow.

182 Kragar  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:53:56pm
183 jc717  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:56:04pm

re: #163 austin_blue

We’ll find out after the closing ceremonies in Sochi, won’t we? Pooty had no such qualms about Georgia.

But yes, let’s hold that good thought.

Ukraine has 10x more people than Georgia and is bordered by NATO, I don’t think it’s an apples:apples comparison.
I can see Putin making things really difficult economically though.

184 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:59:37pm


Wow.

So fascinate.

Much smart.

Amaze.

185 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 12:59:57pm

re: #177 Political Atheist

“”Tanks but no tanks.”’

Sweet!

186 Kragar  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:00:37pm

Youtube changed its format again

bastards

187 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:00:57pm

re: #184 wrenchwench

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Wow.

So fascinate.

Much smart.

Amaze.

Sit!

Heal Heel!

Give me a paw!

Lay down.

NO!

//

188 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:01:26pm
189 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:01:57pm

Heal! Dog has his own faith healing program.

//

190 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:04:12pm

The people supporting Maduro remind me of Teabaggers.

191 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:04:49pm

re: #190 Gus

The people supporting Maduro remind me of Teabaggers.

Matebaggers?

192 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:06:23pm

re: #191 wrenchwench

Matebaggers?

Yikes! Poor Argentina. //

193 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:06:43pm
194 Targetpractice  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:07:37pm

re: #193 wrenchwench

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195 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:09:12pm

re: #191 wrenchwench

Matebaggers?

Check DMs for intelligence report. //

196 BeenHereAwhile  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:09:58pm

re: #183 jc717

Ukraine has 10x more people than Georgia and is bordered by NATO, I don’t think it’s an apples:apples comparison.
I can see Putin making things really difficult economically though.

Then Putin better get started on building more pipelines which don’t pass thru Ukraine to enable Russia to sell oil & gas to Western Europe.


Russia’s current economy is dependent on oil and gas sales.

197 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:12:24pm

re: #195 Gus

Check DMs for intelligence report. //

I can only unfollow once. :-)

thx

198 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:12:43pm

Also: yikes.

199 BeenHereAwhile  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:15:53pm

re: #190 Gus

The people supporting Maduro remind me of Teabaggers.

Aprepa-bros

200 thedopefishlives  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:18:07pm

Afternoon Lizardim. Looks like it could be a good day for repressed people in both hemispheres. How go things here among the lizardfolk?

201 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:22:18pm

re: #200 thedopefishlives

Afternoon Lizardim. Looks like it could be a good day for repressed people in both hemispheres. How go things here among the lizardfolk?

A beautiful 74-degree day in South Austin.

202 jc717  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:22:56pm

re: #196 BeenHereAwhile

Then Putin better get started on building more pipelines which don’t pass thru Ukraine to enable Russia to sell oil & gas to Western Europe.

Russia’s current economy is dependent on oil and gas sales.

No doubt it would hurt Russia as well, but probably not as much as international backlash against a military intervention.

203 BeenHereAwhile  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:24:19pm

Good long read in the London Review of Books by the writer hired to ghost write Julian Assange’s biography.

lrb.co.uk

[…] It was odd the way [Assange] spoke about Snowden, almost jealously, as if the younger man didn’t quite understand what he was about, needing much more from Julian than he knew how to ask for. I recognised the familiar anxiety about non-influence: ‘Snowden should have been with us from the beginning,’ he said. ‘He’s flailing.’ But they were now making up for lost time. As we spoke, Sarah was in Moscow Airport, where Snowden was being held without a passport. ‘I sent Sarah over,’ said Julian in his favourite mode. All he needed at that point was a white cat to stroke.[…]

204 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:25:34pm
205 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:27:33pm

re: #202 jc717

No doubt it would hurt Russia as well, but probably not as much as international backlash against a military intervention.

I disagree. Natural gas sales are too important for Russia to risk. Putin would accept the backlash if he had to, and frankly, in Europe the backlash wouldn’t be too bad. Most of Central and Western Europe* relies on Russian natural gas and that places a limit on how much they push back.

*: The exception here is France, which gets most of its power from nuclear energy.

206 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:30:17pm
207 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:31:45pm

re: #205 Dark_Falcon

That’s why what the EU and NATO needs to do….now….is tell Putin, bluntly, that any act of aggression against Ukraine will be considered an act of war against a sovereign and independent naton, and responded to accordingly.

Then, you put NATO forces in Poland on alert, and send them right to the damn Polish/Ukrainian border. Furthermore, we have an aircraft carrier group in the Med, if I’m not mistake.

Send it right into the Black Sea for a little port of call at Sevastopol.

208 A Mom Anon  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:31:55pm

I’m kind of lost on both the Ukraine and Venezuela fronts. What “sides” in both conflicts actually give a shit and would be good for the people who live there were they to end up in charge?

I can barely keep up with our assorted nut bars and anti-democratic dinosaurs here, sorry to say. Dealing with health issues of my own hasn’t left me tons of time to read up on this, so pardon my ignorance.

209 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:33:28pm

re: #200 thedopefishlives

Afternoon Lizardim. Looks like it could be a good day for repressed people in both hemispheres. How go things here among the lizardfolk?

Still in pj’s but at least I cleaned the bathroom.

hahaha

210 BeenHereAwhile  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:34:23pm

re: #205 Dark_Falcon

I disagree. Natural gas sales are too important for Russia to risk. Putin would accept the backlash if he had to, and frankly, in Europe the backlash wouldn’t be too bad. Most of Central and Western Europe* relies on Russian natural gas and that places a limit on how much they push back.

*: The exception here is France, which gets most of its power from nuclear energy.

It doesn’t say much for the state of Russia’s economy, when such a country rich in natural resources, spans some 10 (?) time zones, has smaller GDP than Italy.

211 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:34:53pm
212 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:37:44pm

re: #207 Dr Lizardo

That’s why what the EU and NATO needs to do….now….is tell Putin, bluntly, that any act of aggression against Ukraine will be considered an act of war against a sovereign and independent naton, and responded to accordingly.

Then, you put NATO forces in Poland on alert, and send them right to the damn Polish/Ukrainian border. Furthermore, we have an aircraft carrier group in the Med, if I’m not mistake.

Send it right into the Black Sea for a little port of call at Sevastopol.

1. I’m unwilling to give the Ukraine a war guarantee. That nation’s independance is not worth going to war with Russia IMO.

2. Your naval idea is not possible because by treaty Turkey will not allow an aircraft carrier to pass through the Bosporus. Were Turkey to permit that, Putin would see that as a direct threat and the odds of war would grow greatly.

I respect you, Dr. L, but your idea is a really bad one.

213 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:39:50pm

Some good background on how the Ukraine situation turned out the way it has so far:

The EU-Ukraine association agreement cannot be elaborated in the EU-Ukraine-Russia tripartite format, European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso said at a press conference after the Eastern Partnership Vilnius summit.

He rejected as unacceptable the tripartite negotiations and the interference of a third country in the bilateral agreement and said there could not be a tripartite format in the elaboration of the bilateral agreement between the EU and Ukraine. Barroso made the statement at a press conference after the Eastern Partnership Vilnius summit.

Barroso said they had respect for sovereignty; the agreement with a sovereign country, Ukraine, had been initialed and whenever a bilateral agreement was on the agenda both sides should agree that it was a bilateral affair.

He said they did not hold negotiations with a third country when they concluded an agreement with Canada, for example. There cannot be a tripartite format in the conclusion of EU agreements with another state, Barroso noted.

That makes a lot of sense. Yanukovich’s government and even a majority of Ukrainians were willing to involve Russia in the talks with the EU, however the EU was the only party unwilling to compromise the Ukraine’s sovereignty. Accepting a third party as a condition of direct talks undermines the entire point of even having an agreement between two parties.

Putin’s Russia has some kind of pathological need to make its neighbor states’ subservience to it absolutely undeniable and plainly obvious to everyone. They could easily have just given Yanukovich certain covert directions for negotiation with the EU, but that wasn’t good enough. Instead there was this drive to give them a public seat at the table, with veto power over a deal that ostensibly didn’t involve them.

214 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:40:17pm

re: #211 NJDhockeyfan

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I think there should be a protest at the Ecuadorean embassy in London, with the official sign for it reading “Julian Assange is Putin’s poodle!”.

215 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:42:07pm

re: #200 thedopefishlives

Afternoon Lizardim. Looks like it could be a good day for repressed people in both hemispheres. How go things here among the lizardfolk?

GSA oppression here in AL. They renamed their Samoas and are ripping off the proles at 3.50 a box. Thin Mints is still Thin Mints, though.

216 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:44:50pm

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

It’s more a shot across the bow to Putin, to put him on notice. Personally, I really don’t think he’ll do much more than fume.

In all fairness, the big issue for the Russians - perhaps even more than gas and oil sales, is the port and shipworks at Sevastopol. Whoever ends up as the new government in Ukraine should, in my view, sign a 99-year lease for Sevastopol for, oh let’s say, $1 a year. That’ll help remove some tensions right there. It’s an understandable concern for the Russians, quite honestly.

As for the gas and oil sales, I find it difficult to believe that anyone but the most anti-Russian fanatics would try to move against the pipelines. Hell, that provides Ukraine with its sources - they’d be cutting their own throats. Not to say people wouldn’t do that - they have in the past - but it’s hard to imagine.

Thanks for pointing out about Turkey not letting a group through the Bosphorous; I wasn’t aware of that. Turkey and Russia have pretty good relations, all things considered, so yeah, Turkey would give a big thumbs-down to such an idea.

217 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:46:02pm

re: #214 Dark_Falcon

I think there should be a protest at the Ecuadorean embassy in London, with the official sign for it reading “Julian Assange is Putin’s poodle!”.

That would be awesome. I wouldn’t be surprised one jot if Wikileaks gets a nice fat check from the Russian FSB from time to time.

218 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:48:14pm

re: #124 Gus

I still hate communists. No apologies.

Most of them are too pathetic to hate.

Hate is a bad habit to get into anyway. It’s as addicting as cocaine, and causes the same problems.

I know. I used to be a hate addict.

219 thedopefishlives  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:48:59pm

re: #215 Decatur Deb

GSA oppression here in AL. They renamed their Samoas and are ripping off the proles at 3.50 a box. Thin Mints is still Thin Mints, though.

$4 for a box up here in the wild north country. THIS SHALL NOT STAND.

[Grabs pitchfork.]

220 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:51:03pm

Is this just a small problem or part of something much bigger?

2127 GMT: Here is footage from earlier today in Kerch in Crimea, a town located on the western side of a narrow strait dividing Crimea from Russia.

The video shows a opposition-organised memorial for the dead, amongst those locals, which is attacked violently by government supporters. The crowd begin shouting “You’re fascists!” before pushing them from the square, roughing them up and trashing their equipment. One opposition supporter is chased down the street as men shout “banderist” at him, before savagely beating and kicking him. Towards the end, the crowd cheers as cars drive past carrying the Russian flag.

Youtube Video

221 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:53:40pm

re: #219 thedopefishlives

$4 for a box up here in the wild north country. THIS SHALL NOT STAND.

[Grabs pitchfork.]

$4 a box?

SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS!!!

222 BeenHereAwhile  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:54:04pm

re: #218 Romantic Heretic

Most of them are too pathetic to hate.

Hate is a bad habit to get into anyway. It’s as addicting as cocaine, and causes the same problems.

I know. I used to be a hate addict.

“There are people in your life who’ve come and gone
They let you down, you know they hurt your pride
You better put it all behind you baby; cause’ life goes on
If you keep carryin’ that anger, it’ll eat you up inside,”

Don Henley - The Heart Of The Matter -

223 palomino  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:55:05pm

re: #205 Dark_Falcon

I disagree. Natural gas sales are too important for Russia to risk. Putin would accept the backlash if he had to, and frankly, in Europe the backlash wouldn’t be too bad. Most of Central and Western Europe* relies on Russian natural gas and that places a limit on how much they push back.

*: The exception here is France, which gets most of its power from nuclear energy.

Putin would have to come down pretty hard on Kiev and other parts of Ukraine to get Yanukovych back in power. I don’t see it happening, especially now. The toothpaste is out of the tube, and the president is out of his house…probably too late to get either back in.

And does Putin really want to become an international pariah after spending $50 billion (in Sochi) to make the world think he’s a decent guy?

224 TedStriker  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:55:40pm

Here’s a break from the serious world for ya:

Ars Technica: An Arduino-controlled, fire-breathing Godzilla at Mardi Gras?! Blame Chewbacchus

“It started when someone from Indiana was bartending at my place,” says Kirah Haubrich, recalling a fateful night before the 2011 Mardi Gras season. “We asked about his first Mardi Gras, and he says ‘I thought it was really weird, but I didn’t see a lot of cosplay.’ It’s because we all have costumes and no one thinks about that in particular. But if we had a scene, I said it𠆝 be called Chewbacchus. Immediately, I turned to Ballard. And after the night I said Chewbacchus to him, three weeks later the Bar2 was being built.”

All it took was one seasonal play on words, and suddenly Haubrich and her friend Ryan Ballard became the unexpected founders of the Intergalactic Krewe of Chewbacchus, Mardi Gras’ only official Sci-Fi and Fantasy themed organization. Together with friend and fellow “overlord” Brett Powers (think of them as organizational leaders, but ones who can trade Close Encounters quotes), the trio first unveiled Chewbacchus to the world in 2011. With 400 members marching in that inaugural parade, clearly they had tapped into something.

[…]

“Chewbacchus gives people access to Mardi Gras they don’t have, and there’s a big artist community in New Orleans, and this gives them a huge outlet,” Powers says. “There’s always been a homemade aspect to Mardi Gras with smaller parades, but as time has gone on, Mardi Gras has become commercial for people. But we were fortunate to ride the new wave of DIY, bringing Mardi Gras back to its satirical roots. The idea is to make fun of royalty, for the plebs to make fun of the patricians and to satirize what’s going on in culture. That’s what Sci-Fi is all about.”

According to Powers, to be legally recognized as a krewe in town, your name has to reflect a mythical deity (hence, larger krewes named for Orpheus and Bacchus). Therein lies the genius of Chewbacchus. On its surface it’s a mashup of Bacchus and everyone’s favorite Wookie, but “the bigger idea is Sci-Fi is the mythology of our times,” Ballard says. “We’re celebrating the new myths that are more relevant to our culture.”

This young, growing krewe—an estimated 20,000 people watched 800 Chewbacchans march in 2013—is founded on two main principles. The first is that everyone should be able to participate. To that end, membership for Chewbacchus is only $42 for the year, a nod to the Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy. And although the official name is Star Wars themed, members can dress up as anything, from Elliot in ET to Monty Python characters. Chewbacchus even officially encompasses smaller-themed groups, such as the Krewe of the Living Dead or the Krewe du Who.

So.Fucking.Awesome.

225 b_sharp  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:55:55pm

re: #221 Dr Lizardo

$4 a box?

SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS!!!

Thanks Obam…Harper.

226 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:57:41pm
227 dr. luba  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:57:42pm

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

1. I’m unwilling to give the Ukraine a war guarantee. That nation’s independance is not worth going to war with Russia IMO.

2. Your naval idea is not possible because by treaty Turkey will not allow an aircraft carrier to pass through the Bosporus. Were Turkey to permit that, Putin would see that as a direct threat and the odds of war would grow greatly.

I respect you, Dr. L, but your idea is a really bad one.

You seem to forget that after the break-up of the USSR, Ukraine was the world’s third biggest nuclear power. It agreed to get rid of the nukes in exchange for security guarantees:

“Before voting on accession, Ukraine demanded from Russia, the USA, France and the United Kingdom a written statement that these powers undertook to extend the security guarantees to Ukraine. Instead security assurances to Ukraine (Ukraine published the documents as guarantees given to Ukraine) were given on 5 December 1994 at a formal ceremony in Budapest (known as the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances), may be summarized as follows: Russia, the UK and the USA undertake to respect Ukraine’s borders in accordance with the principles of the 1975 CSCE Final Act, to abstain from the use or threat of force against Ukraine, to support Ukraine where an attempt is made to place pressure on it by economic coercion, and to bring any incident of aggression by a nuclear power before the UN Security Council.”

228 klys  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:57:45pm

re: #215 Decatur Deb

GSA oppression here in AL. They renamed their Samoas and are ripping off the proles at 3.50 a box. Thin Mints is still Thin Mints, though.

Actually, the name of the cookies (in this case, the Samoas) depends on which bakery it comes from. They contract with 2-3 big ones, as I recall.

229 thedopefishlives  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:57:46pm

re: #225 b_sharp

Thanks Obam…Harper.

No, you had it right the first time. I’m still on the south side of the 49th parallel.

230 BeenHereAwhile  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:57:53pm

re: #219 thedopefishlives

$4 for a box up here in the wild north country. THIS SHALL NOT STAND.

[Grabs pitchfork.]

Paid my GSA protection racket fees by purchasing several boxes of Trefoils.

Didn’t question the price.

Ya gotta to what you gotta do,.

231 thedopefishlives  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:58:58pm

re: #230 BeenHereAwhile

Paid my GSA protection racket fees by purchasing several boxes of Trefoils.

Didn’t question the price.

Ya gotta to what you gotta do,.

My wife answered the door the other day, then hollered over her shoulder, “Hey, where’s the cash?”

“What do you need it for?”

“Girl Scout cookies.”

“It’s in an envelope on the kitchen counter.”

What can I say, they made me an offer I couldn’t refuse.

232 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:00:00pm

re: #226 NJDhockeyfan

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You’re kill me man! :O :D

233 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:00:14pm

Killing that is. See, I need a nap.

234 Targetpractice  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:00:20pm

re: #231 thedopefishlives

My wife answered the door the other day, then hollered over her shoulder, “Hey, where’s the cash?”

“What do you need it for?”

“Girl Scout cookies.”

“It’s in an envelope on the kitchen counter.”

What can I say, they made me an offer I couldn’t refuse.

No need for the horse head?

//

235 thedopefishlives  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:05:37pm

re: #234 Targetpractice

No need for the horse head?

//

The irony is, the Mrs. Fish just had her wisdom teeth extracted. She is now unable to indulge her craving for Thin Mints, which are chilling in the freezer.

236 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:06:09pm

Deb, check your ding on 218?

237 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:09:56pm
238 Targetpractice  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:10:14pm

re: #235 thedopefishlives

The irony is, the Mrs. Fish just had her wisdom teeth extracted. She is now unable to indulge her craving for Thin Mints, which are chilling in the freezer.

Isn’t torture like that forbidden under the Geneva Conventions?

239 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:11:16pm

re: #236 Stanley Sea

Deb, check your ding on 218?

Danke. Fumblefingers

240 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:12:29pm

re: #239 Decatur Deb

Index finger got crossed with your middle finger?

241 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:13:55pm

re: #240 PhillyPretzel

Index finger got crossed with your middle finger?

Middle finger got crossed with a (stopped) chainsaw. All bets are off for comments including qwertyasdfgzxcv.

242 The War TARDIS  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:15:46pm

re: #224 TedStriker

Krewe du Who is Doctor Who Fan Group for the Katrina Coast.

243 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:16:38pm

Heads up for Apple users.

Apple promises iPhone, iPad security flaw fix as security experts warn of hacking threat.

Apple says it will issue a software update “very soon” to cut off the ability of spies and hackers to grab email, financial information and other sensitive data from Mac computers.

Confirming researchers’ findings that a major security flaw in iPhones and iPads also appears in notebook and desktop machines running Mac OS X, Apple spokeswoman Trudy Muller told Reuters: “We are aware of this issue and already have a software fix that will be released very soon.”

Apple released a fix on Friday afternoon for the mobile devices running iOS and most will update automatically.

Once that fix came out, experts dissected it and saw the same fundamental issue in the operating system for Apple’s mainstream computers.

Read more…

244 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:18:13pm

re: #219 thedopefishlives

Just today I paid $4 for a box of Samoas. Unfortunately, “Mom” seemed a bit overbearing and sort of harshly snatched the money, cookie box, and change out of the actual Girl Scout’s hands and gave it to me. It was uncomfortable. I said, “Relax,” to the mom, and thanked the girl.

People and their kids, man. I don’t understand why adults put so much effort into messing up their kids.

245 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:18:21pm

re: #243 Usually refered to as anyways

Thanks. I will keep an eye out for the updates. :)

246 The War TARDIS  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:19:14pm

re: #242 The War TARDIS

They are about 1400 strong, so about the size of a battalion.

247 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:21:08pm

re: #244 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Asked our ‘Mom’ if they still did door-to-door. She said ‘yes’, but they only go for a week, then hit the storefronts. (And she ran the table correctly—instructing, not interfering.)

248 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:28:27pm

re: #247 Decatur Deb

Asked our ‘Mom’ if they still did door-to-door. She said ‘yes’, but they only go for a week, then hit the storefronts. (And she ran the table correctly—instructing, not interfering.)

I had Mom and daughters come to the shop. Daughters were taking turns and mom stayed out of it. I used to have two or three opportunities come to me.

249 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:33:22pm

re: #208 A Mom Anon

I’m kind of lost on both the Ukraine and Venezuela fronts. What “sides” in both conflicts actually give a shit and would be good for the people who live there were they to end up in charge?

I can barely keep up with our assorted nut bars and anti-democratic dinosaurs here, sorry to say. Dealing with health issues of my own hasn’t left me tons of time to read up on this, so pardon my ignorance.

Here’s a good intro to the Venezuelan situation.

{{{A Mom Anon}}} I hope your health improves.

250 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:33:35pm

Cool new feature - if you’ve connected your LGF account to Twitter in Account Settings, now when you tweet an article with one of our buttons you will see the actual tweet after you post it, instead of that old-fashioned “Tweeted!” message.

It’s pretty nifty - you can see exactly what the tweet looks like, immediately.

251 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:33:56pm

re: #248 wrenchwench

Many years ago, I came out of a Safeway store with a friend, and there were three Girl Scouts selling cookies.

I swear it was like something straight out of a Benetton ad; cute little blond GS, an Asian GS and an African-American GS, all of course in uniform. I looked at my friend and said to her, “Oh, this is just totally unfair.”

Yeah, her and I both bought quite a few boxes each. Damned sneaky, these Girl Scouts and their masterful marketing strategies.

252 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:34:15pm

Grunt.

253 klys  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:35:03pm

re: #243 Usually refered to as anyways

For fun, per the Ars article I linked on this above, the error lies here:

static OSStatus
SSLVerifySignedServerKeyExchange(SSLContext *ctx, bool isRsa, SSLBuffer signedParams,
uint8_t *signature, UInt16 signatureLen)
{
OSStatus err;

if ((err = SSLHashSHA1.update(&hashCtx, &serverRandom)) != 0)
goto fail;
if ((err = SSLHashSHA1.update(&hashCtx, &signedParams)) != 0)
goto fail;
goto fail;
if ((err = SSLHashSHA1.final(&hashCtx, &hashOut)) != 0)
goto fail;

fail:
SSLFreeBuffer(&signedHashes);
SSLFreeBuffer(&hashCtx);
return err;
}

This is why I bracket all my if statements. Even if they are one line.

(If someone knows the tag to do that as code, tell me and I will fix it.)

254 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:35:24pm

re: #200 thedopefishlives

Afternoon Lizardim. Looks like it could be a good day for repressed people in both hemispheres. How go things here among the lizardfolk?

Took a nice walk south onto the Drexel and Penn campuses. Took a few photos. Stopped at a BBQ place for a sandwich and a pint*. Came home and took a nap. A relaxing afternoon.

* - A 2pm beer just does a lot in taking the edge off things.

255 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:35:25pm

re: #250 Charles Johnson

Cool new feature - if you’ve connected your LGF account to Twitter in Account Settings, now when you tweet an article with one of our buttons you will see the actual tweet after you post it, instead of that old-fashioned “Tweeted!” message.

It’s pretty nifty - you can see exactly what the tweet looks like, immediately.

Like this?

256 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:36:17pm

re: #255 wrenchwench

Like this?

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Eggs ackley!

257 thedopefishlives  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:38:29pm

re: #254 Feline Fearless Leader

Took a nice walk south onto the Drexel and Penn campuses. Took a few photos. Stopped at a BBQ place for a sandwich and a pint*. Came home and took a nap. A relaxing afternoon.

* - A 2pm beer just does a lot in taking the edge off things.

I’m relaxing in my house, enjoying the heat, whilst a delivery driver brings me pizza and Coke. I’m so cruel, but I tipped him well, so there’s that.

258 ericblair  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:39:07pm

re: #253 klys

This is why I bracket all my if statements. Even if they are one line.

(If someone knows the tag to do that as code, tell me and I will fix it.)

The bigger issue is why this didn’t get caught in regression testing. Probably because the answer is “what regression testing.”

259 klys  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:39:59pm

re: #258 ericblair

The bigger issue is why this didn’t get caught in regression testing. Probably because the answer is “what regression testing.”

Pfft, it’s not like we’re dealing with a big company that can afford to have minions checking their software…

//

260 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:40:08pm

re: #255 wrenchwench

Like this?

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So if I own several bicycles each of which I’ll marry does that make me a bi-polygamist?

261 thedopefishlives  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:40:18pm

re: #260 Gus

So if I own several bicycles each of which I’ll marry does that make me a bi-polygamist?

*WHACK*

262 The War TARDIS  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:42:14pm

Reposting from last night, as I need help:

re: #83 The War TARDIS

Also, my MP3 player crapped the bed.

I need a good music app for my Galaxy S4 that is compatible with the Winamp on my computer.

263 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:42:38pm

re: #243 Usually refered to as anyways

Yeah, I saw that this morning - updated my iPhone already. It’s somewhat less serious than it sounds because an attacker would need to have access to your wifi network as well.

264 thedopefishlives  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:42:54pm

re: #259 klys

Pfft, it’s not like we’re dealing with a big company that can afford to have minions checking their software…

//

Had a former employer of mine who was devoted to the idea that all testing could be done using automation. One of my co-workers made it his goal to find at least one showstopping bug every day between code complete and release, to prove a point. He made his point, alright - he was one of the first ones let go in the following cycle of layoffs.

265 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:44:36pm
266 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:45:26pm

re: #265 Gus

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I hope his tetanus shots are up to date.

267 klys  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:46:16pm

re: #264 thedopefishlives

Had a former employer of mine who was devoted to the idea that all testing could be done using automation. One of my co-workers made it his goal to find at least one showstopping bug every day between code complete and release, to prove a point. He made his point, alright - he was one of the first ones let go in the following cycle of layoffs.

The problem with automation is it’s only going to be as clever as the person who wrote it.

268 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:46:31pm

re: #260 Gus

So if I own several bicycles each of which I’ll marry does that make me a bi-polygamist?

You can do that if you put on a white, short sleeved shirt and a black tie, and ride around with a similarly attired buddy, with name tags. Carrying a small book.

269 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:47:43pm

re: #265 Gus

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A Swingline stapler will stitch up a split in your pants while you’re wearing them. Try getting a wife to do that.

270 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:48:23pm

Button Up Your Overcoat

Youtube Video

271 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:48:42pm

re: #266 Feline Fearless Leader

I hope his tetanus shots are up to date.

l o l

272 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:49:29pm

re: #268 wrenchwench

You can do that if you put on a white, short sleeved shirt and a black tie, and ride around with a similarly attired buddy, with name tags. Carrying a small book.

Sounds like you can only enjoy your bike-wives in the missionary position.

273 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:52:30pm
274 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:53:32pm

re: #273 Gus

Because Gov Brewer always listens to OFA.

275 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:55:22pm

re: #274 Decatur Deb

Because Gov Brewer always listens to OFA.

Links to HRC. Now, I imagine directly contacting her would work better.

276 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:58:09pm

That’s about $6.25M at today’s exchange rate.

277 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:58:33pm

re: #275 Gus

Links to HRC. Now, I imagine directly contacting her would work better.

Ah!
Human Rights Campaign. Was wondering WTF Hillary Rodham Clinton was going to do to persuade Brewer.

278 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:58:54pm

re: #196 BeenHereAwhile

Then Putin better get started on building more pipelines which don’t pass thru Ukraine to enable Russia to sell oil & gas to Western Europe.

Russia’s current economy is dependent on oil and gas sales.

They have: a major pipeline to the west that runs through the Baltic sea and bypasses all the countries in between.

279 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 2:59:40pm

re: #277 Decatur Deb

Ah!
Human Rights Campaign. Was wondering WTF Hillary Rodham Clinton was going to do to persuade Brewer.

I used to write to my Republican rep in NJ when I was younger. I knew he probably wouldn’t listen but I wrote to him anyway.

280 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:02:28pm

re: #279 Gus

I used to write to my Republican rep in NJ when I was younger. I knew he probably wouldn’t listen but I wrote to him anyway.

My Teaparty representative is a music major. Perhaps I should write her some liberal lieder.

281 thedopefishlives  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:03:39pm

re: #279 Gus

I used to write to my Republican rep in NJ when I was younger. I knew he probably wouldn’t listen but I wrote to him anyway.

I wrote a letter to President Clinton once. I still have his reply somewhere back at my folks’ house. I’m surprised they didn’t burn it.

282 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:04:20pm

re: #280 Decatur Deb

My Teaparty representative is a music major. Perhaps I should write her some liberal lieder.

♯ ♩♩♩♩ ♫ ♫ ♫ ♬ ☭ ♬ ♬♩♩♩♩

283 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:05:00pm

re: #282 Gus

♯ ♩♩♩♩ ♫ ♫ ♫ ♬ ☭ ♬ ♬♩♩♩♩

Love the hammer.

284 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:05:56pm

re: #283 Decatur Deb

Love the hammer.

Is that for hammer dulcimer?

285 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:07:15pm

re: #284 wrenchwench

Is that for hammer dulcimer?

Some hammers are sweeter than others. When a dozen or so Habitat volunteers are pounding on a house, I call it ‘hammersong’.

286 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:07:29pm

Reminder. This is computer art.

287 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:07:45pm

Niece is 10 months old now.

288 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:11:19pm

re: #287 wrenchwench

THOSE CHUBBY CHEEKS

289 thedopefishlives  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:11:30pm

re: #285 Decatur Deb

Some hammers are sweeter than others. When a dozen or so Habitat volunteers are pounding on a house, I call it hammersong.

I got over my fear of circular saws working on a Habitat project. I was the only one on our entire crew who had any experience with tools, so I wielded the saw while my compatriots clambered around with hammers and nails.

290 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:14:37pm

This is the investigative journalist and activist who was beaten in Ukraine.


Here is a story from the time an investigative journalist was dragged from her car and beaten.

euronews.com

Note this:

“The reporter had just published an article on the personal wealth of Ukraine’s Interior Minister Vitaly Zakharchenko, highlighting a “country manor” near Kyiv. She has also been investigating the assets of several other political leaders.

“There is no evidence connecting any of them to the attack.

(snip)

“Government opponents quoted in Ukrainian media say they have identified the car used in the assault as belonging to the ruling Party of Regions. “

Under direction of Yanuk, of course.

Right.

291 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:14:49pm

re: #289 thedopefishlives

I got over my fear of circular saws working on a Habitat project. I was the only one on our entire crew who had any experience with tools, so I wielded the saw while my compatriots clambered around with hammers and nails.

Just had my fear of respect for chainsaws reinstalled—see #241.

292 thedopefishlives  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:15:15pm

re: #291 Decatur Deb

Just had my fear of respect for chainsaws reinstalled—see #241.

Yeah, I saw that.

*cough*

293 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:16:39pm

Dogwalk. BBL

294 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:17:37pm

re: #291 Decatur Deb

Just had my fear of respect for chainsaws reinstalled—see #241.

Cheeez, DD. Do take care—tetanus shots up to date? I hate chainsaws.

295 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:18:11pm

Gotta love the propaganda…

Read update at link.

Correction (Feb. 22, 4:20 P.M.): An earlier version of this report incorrectly described Rabbi Azman as the chief rabbi of Ukraine. Azman is not the country’s chief rabbi, but one of two rabbis challenging the official chief rabbi, Yaakov Bleich, in Kiev, and like most Chabad rabbis, is aligned with the Kremlin.

296 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:20:36pm

re: #295 Gus

The propaganda’s flying fast and thick right now. Tymoshenko is no heroine, either.

297 BeenHereAwhile  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:20:38pm

re: #278 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

They have: a major pipeline to the west that runs through the Baltic sea and bypasses all the countries in between.

Yep.

But IIUC, the majority of Russian gas and oil pipelines to Western Europe get funneled thru Ukraine.

298 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:22:51pm

The niece was not happy about having water dumped on her head.


She slowly got over it. Lots of thumb-sucking.


299 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:24:19pm
300 Political Atheist  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:24:47pm

re: #255 wrenchwench

Does that make her a pedalphile?

301 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:25:17pm

Man, this guy was livin’ the dream. Man of the people.

302 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:26:16pm

re: #299 Charles Johnson

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Suspect. Corruption. Spidey sense. Tingling.

303 thedopefishlives  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:26:42pm

re: #296 Charles Johnson

The propaganda’s flying fast and thick right now. Tymoshenko is no heroine, either.

Yeah, I saw that when I read through her Wikipedia article some time ago. She might be the lesser of two evils, but the lesser option is still “evil”.

306 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:31:46pm

re: #305 Political Atheist

LOl wut?

Mah head hurts.

307 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:32:02pm

Couple of photos from my walk today over onto the Penn campus.

Fisher Fine Arts Library
en.wikipedia.org

Fisher Fine Arts Library

College Hall
en.wikipedia.orgCollege Hall

College Hall’s stone is green serpentine - the Wikipedia page shows the color better.

308 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:34:21pm

re: #305 Political Atheist

LOl wut?

Just some a pound of guano from the Kos’ moonbat cave.

309 Chrysicat  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:35:15pm


Dammit, somehow I forgot to put ‘MT’ on that one…

310 The War TARDIS  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:37:23pm

Ok, I am having problems burning the CDs to my computer.

It’s detecting the Series 4 Specials CD, instead of what is actually there, the Christmas Carol soundtrack.

Both are Doctor Who. Doing this through the Windows Media Player. Help on this please?

311 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:38:38pm

Oh, man, how did I miss this one? From 5 months ago or so.

312 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:38:43pm
313 Kragar  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:38:51pm

re: #310 The War TARDIS

Ok, I am having problems burning the CDs to my computer.

It’s detecting the Series 4 Specials CD, instead of what is actually there, the Christmas Carol soundtrack.

Both are Doctor Who. Doing this through the Windows Media Player. Help on this please?

DAMN YOU NSA!

314 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:39:28pm

re: #304 Gus

Venezuela: A Serious Threat to The Int’l Neo-Liberal Cartel Hegemony

The comments are interesting on that one too. Lots of Ukraine discussion, many seem worried that contamination from Europe may lead to free market capitalism sweeping the country including private ownership of property!

315 The War TARDIS  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:40:17pm

re: #313 Kragar

Seriously, I am getting frazzled.

316 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:40:33pm

re: #296 Charles Johnson

The propaganda’s flying fast and thick right now. Tymoshenko is no heroine, either.

No, her baggage is mixed, though, from the time she married a Soviet mid-level bureaucrat as a young woman and their various enterprises. Hers is a very complicated situation for someone who was rated the #3 richest woman in the world at one time, and much of what happened during the latter years of her political career was politically motivated. At one time, she was dubbed “The Gas Princess” because of her own company’s dealings with Gazprom and allegations of using her office to enrich herself. She presents herself as “anti-corruption” and anti-Yanukovych/Party of Regions.

I don’t think she was ever at the level of Yanuk as far as corruption goes, though, but she is pretty tainted at this point and would never be elected again, unless it was as an ordinary MP. She received a mixed reception at today’s rally.

317 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:42:01pm

re: #314 Killgore Trout

The comments are interesting on that one too. Lots of Ukraine discussion, many seem worried that contamination from Europe may lead to free market capitalism sweeping the country including private ownership of property!

What’s yours is mine! Yeah, unlike Yanko and his buddies who “shared the wealth.”

318 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:42:40pm

re: #314 Killgore Trout

The comments are interesting on that one too. Lots of Ukraine discussion, many seem worried that contamination from Europe may lead to free market capitalism sweeping the country including private ownership of property!

[moonbat] OH NOES! NOT FREE-MARKET CAPITALISM AND THE OWNERSHIP OF PRIVATE PROPERTY! WHERE’S LENIN WHEN WE NEED HIM MOST?! [/moonbat]

319 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:43:46pm

re: #314 Killgore Trout

The comments are interesting on that one too. Lots of Ukraine discussion, many seem worried that contamination from Europe may lead to free market capitalism sweeping the country including private ownership of property!

320 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:44:03pm

re: #312 Dr Lizardo

Wow. All I can say to that is

[Embedded image]

I was going to use that in reply to this:


‘I think the US has a huge roll….’

321 The War TARDIS  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:45:01pm

Looking for help troubleshooting.

322 thedopefishlives  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:48:12pm

re: #321 The War TARDIS

Looking for help troubleshooting.

Sorry, I ain’t got none. Yours is one of those problems where I’d have to actually sit down and click on all the things.

323 thedopefishlives  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:48:28pm

re: #320 wrenchwench

I was going to use that in reply to this:

[Embedded content]


‘I think the US has a huge roll….’

That’s what SHE said.

324 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:51:32pm

re: #319 Gus

[Embedded content]

The People’s Opulent Staircase!

325 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:51:57pm

re: #309 Chrysicat

What were they all still doing UP 20 years after Communism fell anyway?@MiaFarrow There goes Lenin #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/GukG3ixVH3

Image: nathan_forrest_statue_flickr.jpg

326 The War TARDIS  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:52:59pm

re: #325 Decatur Deb

I see a statue needs to be torn down.

327 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:55:57pm


From the end of article:

This is just a few moderators of one subreddit, albeit one that reaches nearly 20 million people per month. The story, though legitimate, could be a minor one. Nonetheless, it speaks to a problem at Reddit’s core that the site has yet been able to completely destroy: that its libertarianism is so deeply poisoned by misogyny that freedom from harassment is more urgent for child pornographers than women.

[emphasis added.]

Could be true of all libertarianism. Haven’t seen evidence to the contrary.

328 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 3:59:51pm
329 CuriousLurker  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 4:00:51pm

re: #308 Dark_Falcon

D_F, are you still here or did you already go upstairs?

330 Ming  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 4:01:53pm

re: #63 dr. luba

What is it with all the Putin love on the right? This is the same contingent who were so anti-communist a few decades ago. I realize they hate Obama, and Putin hates Obama, but still.

You ask a very good question: why does the right seem to like Putin now? Check out the first sentence of this NBC News story (from 2005): “Russian President Vladimir Putin told the nation Monday that the collapse of the Soviet empire “was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century” and had fostered separatist movements inside Russia.”

I’m confident that you answered the question when you mentioned President Obama. The only thing I’m not sure about is whether that’s a partial answer, or a complete answer. Is it really that simple, that the enemy (Putin) of the right’s enemy (Obama) is the right’s friend?

Of course this is oversimplifying, but I think one can view the “core” of the former USSR as Russia plus Kazakhstan plus Ukraine. I have no doubt that Putin would LOVE to arrange a “shotgun wedding” of these 3 countries.

Snowden, Greenwald and their supporters act as if they have no clue about Putin’s intentions, while millions of Eastern Europeans understand these intentions quite well.

331 TedStriker  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 4:13:08pm

re: #325 Decatur Deb

Image: nathan_forrest_statue_flickr.jpg

re: #326 The War TARDIS

I see a statue needs to be torn down.

I can’t see that pic (damn social/streaming media website restrictions at work), but if it’s the one of that fiberglass monstrosity here in Nashville that’s flanked by all of the flags of the CSA states (with the CSA battle flag at the top of each pole, with no American flags to be found), I’ve had many a daydream to kill it with fire every time I pass it on I-65.

332 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 4:13:42pm

re: #330 Ming

…while millions of Eastern Europeans understand these intentions quite well.

Living as I do in the Czech Republic, if there’s one thing I’ve learned in my almost 13 years here is that the Russians are almost universally despised by the Czechs. For them, the Russians are “gangsters” “thieves” “tyrants” “occupiers” “dogs” and other assorted epithets.

The Czechs certainly don’t buy Putin’s “religiosity”, seeing it for what it is; a cynical attempt to project a positive image of himself, while using the Russian Orthodox Church - itself an authoritarian institution - as a lever of social control.

There is no love lost on the Russians here, and when I hear Americans saying how “dreamy” Putin is, I laugh mockingly at their stupefying ignorance.

333 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 4:17:24pm

re: #331 TedStriker

No, It’s a heroic bronze equestrian somewhere. I’m not sure of the pedigree of the Plastic Prick from Pulaski statue. I distinctly remember it starting life as “The Colonel” or something, with association to a sports team or school mascot.

334 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 4:20:49pm

re: #327 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]


From the end of article:

[emphasis added.]

Could be true of all libertarianism. Haven’t seen evidence to the contrary.

That’s just fucking disgusting. Sorry bastards.

335 TedStriker  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 4:30:00pm

re: #333 Decatur Deb

No, It’s a heroic bronze equestrian somewhere. I’m not sure of the pedigree of the Plastic Prick from Pulaski statue. I distinctly remember it starting life as “The Colonel” or something, with association to a sports team or school mascot.

“Plastic Prick from Pulaski”

I’m so going to steal that.

336 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 4:32:24pm

re: #335 TedStriker

“Plastic Prick from Pulaski”

I’m so going to steal that.

My people will talk to your people.

337 CuriousLurker  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 4:32:29pm

re: #332 Dr Lizardo

Living as I do in the Czech Republic, if there’s one thing I’ve learned in my almost 13 years here is that the Russians are almost universally despised by the Czechs. For them, the Russians are “gangsters” “thieves” “tyrants” “occupiers” “dogs” and other assorted epithets.

The Czechs certainly don’t buy Putin’s “religiosity”, seeing it for what it is; a cynical attempt to project a positive image of himself, while using the Russian Orthodox Church - itself an authoritarian institution - as a lever of social control.

There is no love lost on the Russians here, and when I hear Americans saying how “dreamy” Putin is, I laugh mockingly at their stupefying ignorance.

Not knowing a lot about eastern Europe, the recent upheaval in Ukraine prompted me to continue Wikiwalking & googling last night/this morning and I ran across this blog by an (American?) expat that’s been living in Tbilisi for 10 years. There’s some really interesting stuff in there about nationalism and the links between some of the clergy and Putin.

For example (emphasis mine):

According to polls, Catholicos-Patriarch of All Georgia, the Archbishop of Mtskheta-Tbilisi and Metropolitan bishop of Abkhazia and Bichvinta, His Holiness and Beatitude Ilia II, is the most trusted individual in Georgia, with a 94% approval rating. […]

In the past year, Illia has been raising eyebrows by getting chummy with Russian president Vladimir Putin, calling homosexuality a disease like drug addiction and doing very little to use his influence to prevent his country’s people from attacking fellow citizens. In fact, he seems to be encouraging it. In last Sunday’s sermon at the Holy Trinity Cathedral in Tbilisi, Illia said, “Often the majority is more oppressed than the minority and that happens frequently to us…” […]

meetmeherelounge.wordpress.com

I don’t have the knowledge necessary to know if what this blogger is saying is completely accurate, but several of the posts were definite eye-openers.

338 Ming  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 4:33:52pm

re: #332 Dr Lizardo

I’m an American and unfortunately, I’ve never been to Eastern Europe. So I don’t have much of a “first-hand perspective”, but I’m really bothered by how many Americans, on the left and now (apparently) on the right, don’t appreciate (1) what a wonderful thing it was when the USSR came apart in the late 1980’s / early 1990’s, and (2) how important it is to deny Putin the opportunity to rebuild or resurrect any part of this former superpower.

I admit that I’m “paranoid” about Putin’s intentions, and honestly, I’m surprised that Putin hasn’t moved forcefully (or more forcefully) against the Ukrainian people. I wonder if the Obama Administration, and/or other governments, have privately communicated with Putin’s government about this. But I wonder why Putin hasn’t done more. Was the timing of the Olympics that important?

339 TedStriker  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 4:35:34pm

re: #336 Decatur Deb

My people will talk to your people.

But, of course…shall we do lunch?

/

340 TedStriker  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 4:37:54pm

re: #338 Ming

I’m an American and unfortunately, I’ve never been to Eastern Europe. So I don’t have much of a “first-hand perspective”, but I’m really bothered by how many Americans, on the left and now (apparently) on the right, don’t appreciate (1) what a wonderful thing it was when the USSR came apart in the late 1980’s / early 1990’s, and (2) how important it is to deny Putin the opportunity to rebuild or resurrect any part of this former superpower.

I admit that I’m “paranoid” about Putin’s intentions, and honestly, I’m surprised that Putin hasn’t moved forcefully (or more forcefully) against the Ukrainian people. I wonder if the Obama Administration, and/or other governments, have privately communicated with Putin’s government about this. But I wonder why Putin hasn’t done more. Was the timing of the Olympics that important?

Thank goodness for small miracles, right?

341 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 4:46:17pm

re: #338 Ming

There’s a possibility that the rapidity of events in Ukraine caught Putin by surprise. He’s also just $51 billion on a two-week long infomercial for himself called the Winter Olympics. That $51 billion by the way is the equivalent of one year of Russian military spending.

He’s in something of a pickle right now; the speed of the collapse the Yanukovych was unanticipated. So he’s trying to figure out what to do.

342 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 4:49:37pm

re: #337 CuriousLurker

It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest. The Russian Orthodox Church is a notoriously ultra-conservative institution, and has a rather dubious history when it comes to its centuries-long relationship to the former Czars.

That they are eager to allow themselves to become a mechanism of social control, especially as it allows them back into the court of the Kremlin, is simply a reversion to their classic form.

It probably won’t be long before they claim that Putin was sent by God, if they haven’t already.

343 jonhendry  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 5:29:31pm

re: #63 dr. luba

“What is it with all the Putin love on the right? This is the same contingent who were so anti-communist a few decades ago.”

Russia isn’t “Communist” any more. They have rich people. It’s an authoritarian kleptocracy, and the wingnuts are just fine with that.

344 Ming  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 5:57:20pm

re: #22 Dr Lizardo

Lukashenko has gotta be shitting bricks, at least privately. I have little down that he’s ordered his security and intel services to make damned sure that absolutely nothing similar happens in Belarus.

You are absolutely right. I’d forgotten about Belarus. I’m afraid that both Lukashenko and Putin himself will focus like a laser beam to maintain the “soviet” reality of that country.

On a positive note, I happen to work with a few wonderful engineers from Poland (mostly online) and I’m so happy that Poland is, to put it bluntly, free.

345 jonhendry  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 5:58:56pm

re: #223 palomino

“Putin would have to come down pretty hard on Kiev and other parts of Ukraine to get Yanukovych back in power. “

Putin doesn’t need Yanukovych in power. He can wait and find some leverage to turn the next leader of Ukraine once they’re in power. That might be cutting off the gas, it might mean cutting off some form of trade with Ukraine that Ukraine relies on and can’t quickly be replaced by other markets.

346 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 6:11:45pm

re: #263 Charles Johnson

Yeah, I saw that this morning - updated my iPhone already. It’s somewhat less serious than it sounds because an attacker would need to have access to your wifi network as well.

The story links two methods:
“The intruders do need to have access to the victim’s network, either through a relationship with the telecommunications carrier or through a WiFi wireless setup common in public place.”

Unless you are reading from a different article.

347 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 6:15:09pm

re: #346 Usually refered to as anyways

The story links two methods:
“The intruders do need to have access to the victim’s network, either through a relationship with the telecommunications carrier or through a WiFi wireless setup common in public place.”

Unless you are reading from a different article.

The article I posted seems also to suggest its susceptible via a ‘man in the middle’ type attack.

“In addition to intercepting data, hackers could insert malicious web links in real emails, winning full control of the target computer.?”

348 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 6:40:56pm

re: #327 wrenchwench

Gawker indignantly objecting to content on reddit is a bit like Larry Flynt objecting indignantly to the Letters to the Editor section of Penthouse.

349 majii  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 6:42:17pm

re: #7 Targetpractice

But, isn’t Putin supposed to be the most capable leader on Planet Earth?

Time Magazine thought this was so, and so do millions of Americans, therefore, it doesn’t make sense that Putin would need other leaders help to deal with the uprising in Ukraine, or that he would seek to blame a leader of a nation over 5,000 miles away. According to his Americans admirers, he can do anything.

I sincerely hope President Obama doesn’t interfere, because when he even thinks about intervening in a foreign nation’s business, the right-wingers go nuts, praise Putin and continue working on the statue of him they plan to erect in D.C. in Lafayette Square as a symbol of his awesome he-manliness.

350 Ming  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:07:29pm

re: #216 Dr Lizardo

In all fairness, the big issue for the Russians - perhaps even more than gas and oil sales, is the port and shipworks at Sevastopol. Whoever ends up as the new government in Ukraine should, in my view, sign a 99-year lease for Sevastopol for, oh let’s say, $1 a year. That’ll help remove some tensions right there. It’s an understandable concern for the Russians, quite honestly.

I totally agree, and I think you make a very important point. I don’t think we should “win” by wiping out Russian concerns. Russia may have a positive future, as they recover from the incredible 1917 - 1991 period. There is no need for us to “win big” over them. Making things easy for them, in regard to Sevastopol, is a great idea, and may very well encourage them to make things easy for other countries.

351 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:13:55pm

re: #329 CuriousLurker

D_F, are you still here or did you already go upstairs?

I was somewhere else, but I’m back.

352 CuriousLurker  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:18:48pm

re: #351 Dark_Falcon

I was somewhere else, but I’m back.

Okay, I had a link I wanted to give you, but let me go post it upstairs so more people will have a chance to see it in case they’re interested.

353 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:23:10pm

re: #352 CuriousLurker

OK, heading up…

354 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:15:09pm

re: #203 BeenHereAwhile

Good long read in the London Review of Books by the writer hired to ghost write Julian Assange’s biography.

lrb.co.uk

[…] It was odd the way [Assange] spoke about Snowden, almost jealously, as if the younger man didn’t quite understand what he was about, needing much more from Julian than he knew how to ask for. I recognised the familiar anxiety about non-influence: ‘Snowden should have been with us from the beginning,’ he said. ‘He’s flailing.’ But they were now making up for lost time. As we spoke, Sarah was in Moscow Airport, where Snowden was being held without a passport. ‘I sent Sarah over,’ said Julian in his favourite mode. All he needed at that point was a white cat to stroke.[…]

I just read the whole thing. You’re right, it’s worth the time. O’Hagan is admittedly sympathetic toward Assange in some ways, but is honest in his portrayal of Assange’s narcissism, megalomania and extremely short attention span. The autobiography was simultaneously in Assange’s mind something he desperately wanted to publish and desperately did not want to see in print. In the end, he refused to cooperate and the book was published as an “unauthorised biography.” Assange was of course livid.

I found this sentence of O’Hagan’s sums up Assange very well.

I’ve never been with anybody who made me feel so like an adult. And I say that as the father of a ten-year-old.

In a cockeyed sort of way, it’s maybe a good thing that someone as dysfunctional as Assange is the defacto leader of Wikileaks. If Wikileaks had a leader who was organized, professional and more thick-skinned, the damage of its revelations would be much more damaging than they have been.


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