Venezuela’s Maduro Rescinds Order Expelling CNN, Asks Obama to Negotiate

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Huge demonstration in Caracas, Venezuela, Feb. 22, 2014

I’m not really sure why President Maduro thinks having his officials negotiate with President Obama is going to solve his problems with his own people.

CARACAS, Venezuela — Massive demonstrations by opponents and supporters of President Nicolas Maduro were underway Saturday in central Caracas as the official death toll rose to eight on the 10th day of civil unrest roiling Venezuela.

Leading the opposition demonstration in eastern Caracas was Liliana Tintori, wife of Leopoldo Lopez, the former Caracas borough mayor who was arrested last week and charged with inciting violence that by official count has also led 137 injuries. Lopez and other opposition leaders say armed pro-government vigilantes have been responsible for the deaths.

News media on Saturday reported two more deaths Friday night in Caracas. And in a surprise announcement at a late night news conference Friday, President Nicolas Maduro called on President Obama to enter into negotiations with Venezuelan officials to settle differences. He also rescinded a previous order expelling CNN news crews from Venezuela.

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439 comments
1 dog philosopher  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 5:47:15pm

ah another weekend full of west and wewaxation

2 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 5:51:37pm

I have a feeling Venezuela is going to be a worse horror show, bloodier and more intense as it goes on.

Ukraine has worn me out. I shall refresh and return mañana. : )

3 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 5:52:58pm

Is Obama going to send Korben Dallas down there to do the negotiations?
;P

4 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 5:55:50pm

Not really sure why Maduro thinks having his officials negotiate with President Obama is going to solve his problems with his own citizens, but hey.

5 Political Atheist  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 5:57:34pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Passive aggressive play, ‘cause the real cause of their ills is the United States.
//

6 The War TARDIS  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 5:57:56pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

They believe there own shit. Namely, that the US is behind the Protests.

7 b.d.  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 6:01:54pm

Send Bo

8 Archangelus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 6:02:18pm

re: #3 Feline Fearless Leader

Is Obama going to send Korben Dallas down there to do the negotiations?
;P

Probably not a good idea - he only speak two languages, English and bad English…

9 Iwouldprefernotto  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 6:03:18pm

re: #3 Feline Fearless Leader

Is Obama going to send Korben Dallas down there to do the negotiations?
;P

I hear Dan Quayle knows all about Latin America.

10 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 6:16:28pm

Send Dennis Rodman.

11 jaunte  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 6:16:56pm

How Venezuelans (mostly Gochos) Build Barricades

“As I said today, students are getting more organized. Nowhere is this more the case than in Tachira State, where this protests begun. For those that say that this is a middle class protest, look at San Cristobal, the capital of Tachira, a state that suffers from the fact that 30-40% of the food in Venezuela is being smuggled to Colombia to be sold. If you think things are scarce in Caracas, try going to a supermarket there.”

12 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 6:21:51pm

re: #11 jaunte

How Venezuelans (mostly Gochos) Build Barricades

Nice shot with the Molitov from 10 stories up.

13 jaunte  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 6:25:28pm

“…imagine the 5th Avenue or the Champs Elysées
filled up to have a comparison…”
daniel-venezuela.blogspot.com

14 Political Atheist  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 6:30:28pm

re: #13 jaunte

Danny Glover was unavailable for comment…

15 TedStriker  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 6:31:35pm

re: #14 Political Atheist

Danny Glover was unavailable for comment…

He’s getting too old for this shit…

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16 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 6:33:17pm

I haz Alouette quotes.

17 jaunte  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 6:34:25pm

From El Universal (Caracas):

The Venezuelan government is pondering on stopping fuel shipments to “areas under siege,” Venezuelan Minister of Petroleum and Mining and president of state-run oil holding Pdvsa Rafael Ramírez twitted.

“We will be forced to discontinue fuel supply in areas under the fascist siege in order to preserve everybody’s security,” Ramírez said almost at midday of Friday without making direct reference to the states of Táchira, Carabobo, Mérida, Bolívar, or the city of Caracas.
eluniversal.com

18 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 6:36:44pm

re: #17 jaunte

“We will be forced to discontinue fuel supply in areas under the fascist siege in order to preserve everybody’s security,” Ramírez said almost at midday of Friday without making direct reference to the states of Táchira, Carabobo, Mérida, Bolívar, or the city of Caracas.”

lolwut? Fascist siege?

Right outta Stalin’s playbook.

19 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 6:44:10pm

re: #13 jaunte

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“…imagine the 5th Avenue or the Champs Elysées
filled up to have a comparison…”
daniel-venezuela.blogspot.com

Watch for these photos to be used on Fox News next time Glenn Beck hosts a dipshit rally.

20 jaunte  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 6:44:33pm

21 TedStriker  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 6:44:35pm

re: #17 jaunte

From El Universal (Caracas):

Yeah, that’ll go over well.

As Maduro basically begs for President Obama to throw him a lifeline out of the mess he, the late Hugo Chavez, and the Chavistas have wrought, his money man over at PDVSA (the parent company of Citgo here in the States) is doubling down.

If the whole situation wasn’t as dire as it is, I’d think the Maduro/Ramirez dichotomy would be hilarious.

22 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 6:45:14pm

Aha…..interesting. That flight to the UAE last night was a ruse, according to this report, which I’ll post in its entirety via GoogleTranslate:

Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych has not yet left the territory of Ukraine .

Currently, the President is near Kharkiv in the country one of the most influential local officials. On this edition of “Donetsk News” reported a credible source .

According to the official publication, the president of the aviation board flew yesterday to the UAE in order to divert attention. Yanukovych himself arrived undercover in Kharkiv to attend the congress of deputies of all levels.

The original plan called for a presentation at the Congress of Viktor Yanukovich of a proclamation of a new Southeast republic and its separation from Ukraine. Guarantor of the security of the new republic was supposed to be Russian President Vladimir Putin , who was supposed to officially support the new government and introduce a limited military force to defend the new republic .

However , contrary to expectations, Vladimir Putin, in a rather rigid form, refused not only military support , but even in the recognition of the new state. After this demarche, project proponents refused to implement it and decided at the congress to announce a commitment to Ukrainian territorial integrity. Yanukovych refused to go to the Congress .

Currently, the President of Ukraine’s action team is looking for options to escape from Ukraine. The main problem is the failure of several countries to grant asylum .

23 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 6:45:36pm

re: #22 Dr Lizardo

Original text here: donetskie.com

24 TedStriker  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 6:45:46pm

re: #19 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Watch for these photos to be used on Fox News next time Glenn Beck hosts a dipshit rally.

Nah, it’s too obvious it’s not ‘Murrica.

25 jaunte  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 6:47:01pm

Immobilizing armored cars with oil-paint bombs.

26 jaunte  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 6:49:13pm

Producción y Distribución Venezolana de Alimentos (PDVAL), is a nationwide food supply network created by Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez and Petróleos de Venezuela (PDVSA) in response to the high food demand and presumed stockpiling by private food sectors, creating food shortage.
en.wikipedia.org

27 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 6:49:57pm

THIS CAN’T BE! HOW COULD THE PEOPLE OF VENEZUELA BE PROTESTING THE CHAVISTA MIRACLE AND THE WONDERFUL PRESIDENT MADURO WHO TOOK OVER FROM HUGO CHAVEZ! THERE HAS TO BE SOME LOGICAL EXPLANATION TO THIS. WAIT! I KNOW. LET’S BLAME THE USA, THE CIA, AND PRESIDENT OBAMA! WE CAN’T HAVE PEOPLE OCCUPYING THE STREETS LIKE THIS!

28 Chrysicat  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 6:50:53pm

Not sure if I should be posting this, since I did it in the Page’s thread too, and it’s O/T…go ahead and delete if this was bad?

29 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 6:50:59pm

re: #22 Dr Lizardo

Aha…..interesting. That flight to the UAE last night was a ruse, according to this report, which I’ll post in its entirety via GoogleTranslate:

I was reading earlier that he may end up in Belarus.

30 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 6:52:50pm

re: #28 Chrysicat

Not sure if I should be posting this, since I did it in the Page’s thread too, and it’s O/T…go ahead and delete if this was bad?

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No, spread the word! People need to know about this kind of twisted and depraved nonsense and the people who spread it, like this so-called “Reverend”.

Minister of Ethics & Integrity, my ass.

31 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 6:53:16pm

re: #29 Killgore Trout

That wouldn’t shock me in the slightest.

32 Chrysicat  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 6:55:39pm

re: #26 jaunte

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What a surprise. A Communist country where the state store has nothing. It’s almost as if command economies are even worse at supplying product than demand-driven ones, which are going downhill as ‘just-in-time’ supplying becomes ‘just-too-late’…

33 Kragar  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 6:56:00pm

re: #28 Chrysicat

Not sure if I should be posting this, since I did it in the Page’s thread too, and it’s O/T…go ahead and delete if this was bad?

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Also, making sure rapists can never do it again using power tools is “natural”.

This kind of shit enrages me.

34 jonhendry  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 6:58:45pm

re: #28 Chrysicat

Right Reverend sounds Anglican, not Catholic.

35 jaunte  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:01:56pm

“…Around the world Venezuelans held rallies too. And that was impressive, from a dozen folks in Athens to hundreds in New York (more than some Venezuelan places) the media impact will be devastating for the regime. Foreign governments and journalists must suddenly wonder how come there are so many Venezuelans out of their country!”
daniel-venezuela.blogspot.com

36 majii  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:02:23pm

Maduro needs a huge distraction, and imo, the plan is to use President Obama to create it. Obama doesn’t have sh*t to do with Maduro’s problems. Maduro’s actions created this predicament, and it’s time for him to step up to the plate and partake of his own sh*t. He has two options—he can step down, or he can negotiate fairly with the protestors. I suggest he take the first option. Sooner or later, people get tired on having to deal with corrupt politicians’ BS. The protesters are sending Maduro a powerful message and shouldn’t allow him to use President Obama as a distraction to avoid doing what he knows is best for its citizens.

37 Kragar  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:10:08pm

Dear Tea Party,

Take a look at the Ukraine and Venezuela and what their governments have been doing.

Now take a look at your lame asses and your bullshit protests about utter and complete nonsense and “brutal opression” under Obama.

Shit down, shut up and try growing the fuck up.

38 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:11:38pm

re: #37 Kragar

Dear Tea Party,

Take a look at the Ukraine and Venezuela and what their governments have been doing.

Now take a look at your lame asses and your bullshit protests about utter and complete nonsense and “brutal opression” under Obama.”

Shit down, shut up and try growing the fuck up.

^^^ interesting typo… Appropriate too ;)

39 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:13:16pm

re: #38 William Barnett-Lewis

^^^ interesting typo… Appropriate too ;)

LOLOLOL. Entirely appropriate!!

40 Kragar  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:14:00pm

re: #38 William Barnett-Lewis

^^^ interesting typo… Appropriate too ;)

Now, I see it and fuck it, I’m not going to fix it.

I will fix the extra ” though, because that bugs me.

41 Kragar  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:16:00pm

In Borderlands 2 news, I didn’t think I’d like the Commando class, but its easily my favorite class so far.

“YOU get a bullet! And YOU get a bullet! EVERYBODY gets a bullet!”

42 jaunte  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:19:30pm

Raúl Castro culpa a “círculos de poder” en Estados Unidos de violencia en Venezuela y Ucrania

Según la agencia local Prensa Latina, Castro señaló que “ahora usan nuevos métodos de desgaste, más sutiles y enmascarados, sin renunciar a la violencia, para quebrar la paz y el orden interno e impedir a los gobiernos concentrarse en la lucha por el desarrollo económico y social, si no logran derribarlos”.

Subtle, masked methods…

43 dell*nix  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:20:20pm

re: #35 jaunte

Did anyone request UN support?

flickr.com

44 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:21:59pm

re: #43 dell*nix

Did anyone request UN support?

flickr.com

45 jaunte  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:22:46pm
46 jaunte  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:23:24pm

Link above is describing events of the night of Feb 19…

47 CuriousLurker  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:25:01pm

Dark_Falcon: I was Wikiwalking earlier and after looking at castles & fortresses and then going in pursuit of more info about the Mongol invasion of Europe, my stroll led me to a site that I think you and others here who like military history will find interesting (if you’re not already familiar with it), so I thought I’d pass it along. From the home page:

De Re Militari
The Society for Medieval Military History

De Re Militari, begun in 1992, is the Society for the Study of Medieval Military History. Here we host many primary sources, articles, dissertations, and resources for the study of military actions, technology, and topics from the fall of Rome to early seventeenth century. We also have an active online Book Reviews section. We are the principle online source for scholarly information about warfare in the Middle Ages. Every year, and DRM sponsors lectures at the International Congress for Medieval Studies (Kalamazoo, MI), the International Medieval Congress (Leeds, UK), and the Society for Military History (peripatetic). […]

deremilitari.org

They had lots of interesting looking stuff on the Mongols, and I also saw some stuff on the Muslims & the Crusades that looked pretty neat.

48 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:26:43pm

D_F? D_F?

I’m feeling CL’s pain here.

49 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:27:00pm

hee, had to CL.

50 Chrysicat  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:27:44pm

re: #34 jonhendry

Right Reverend sounds Anglican, not Catholic.

Indeed it does, but unless his Wiki was somehow really yutzed up, he’s a Catholic who actually took his divinities at Pontifical Urbananiana University. That’s the Vatican itself.

51 CuriousLurker  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:27:56pm

re: #48 Stanley Sea

D_F? D_F?

I’m feeling CL’s pain here.

Heh, thanks. ;-) He knows—I saw him downstairs and told him I’d be posting it up here for more visibility.

52 Belafon  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:29:30pm

re: #41 Kragar

Yeah, that’s my favorite one as well. The attached rocket launchers on the turret are just fun to watch.

53 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:30:35pm

My boring but very relaxed weekend…..anyone watch Scandal? It’s been on BET all day as a marathon. The twitter hype has been correct.

54 Pie-onist Overlord  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:31:23pm

Is “Looper” a movie worth watching?

55 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:32:14pm

re: #53 Stanley Sea

My boring but very relaxed weekend…..anyone watch Scandal? It’s been on BET all day as a marathon. The twitter hype has been correct.

Just watched “The Red Shoes” (1948) on TCM. 1948 version of “Hamlet” up now.

56 CuriousLurker  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:33:00pm

re: #53 Stanley Sea

My boring but very relaxed weekend…..anyone watch Scandal? It’s been on BET all day as a marathon. The twitter hype has been correct.

I didn’t watch the marathon, but I can’t wait for the new episodes to start. I also really like “Nashville” and “Chicago PD” on NBC—kinda reminds me of “The Shield” a little bit.

57 Kragar  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:33:35pm

re: #52 Belafon

Yeah, that’s my favorite one as well. The attached rocket launchers on the turret are just fun to watch.

Yeah, went that tree to begin with.

58 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:33:42pm

re: #37 Kragar

One of my personal tinfoil helmet hypotheses holds that the “tea party” is a proof-of-concept project intended to show the industrial interests who actually run the country that it’s possible to create a permanent underclass of righteously angry, proudly misinformed registered voters who have a worldview specifically designed to support the goals of the industrialists in question. The constant anti-science, pro-stupidity efforts in public education are intended to bolster and perpetuate this underclass of dimbulbs for generations to come. The illusion of democracy can be maintained just enough to avoid the sort of serious game-changing unrest that we see elsewhere in the world.

I try to keep in mind the idea that “any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice”. However, it’s somehow more comforting to think we got this stupid by design, rather than by natural processes.

Never mind; here’s a puppy:

59 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:34:12pm

And some metal kangaroo to liven up the thread.

Kangaroo Terminators!

60 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:34:15pm

re: #48 Stanley Sea

D_F? D_F?

I’m feeling CL’s pain here.

I’m here.

61 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:35:39pm

re: #47 CuriousLurker

>Dark_Falcon: I was Wikiwalking earlier and after looking at castles & fortresses and then going in pursuit of more info about the Mongol invasion of Europe, my stroll led me to a site that I think you and others here who like military history will find interesting (if you’re not already familiar with it), so I thought I’d pass it along. From the home page:

They had lots of interesting looking stuff on the Mongols, and I also saw some stuff on the Muslims & the Crusades that looked pretty neat.

Thank you. This would also be of interest to PLL as well.

62 Belafon  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:37:05pm

re: #54 Pie-onist Overlord

I liked it. Then again, I also liked Source Code.

63 Pie-onist Overlord  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:41:05pm

re: #62 Belafon

I liked it. Then again, I also liked Source Code.

Well I like Joseph Gordon Leavitt, I think he is hot.

64 CuriousLurker  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:42:45pm

re: #54 Pie-onist Overlord

Oh, you too! I thought of you when I saw this today:

Cosima Wagner: the Lady of Bayreuth: review

There was another blog that had some interesting stuff about her, but after a few minutes I realized it was a rather well concealed white nationalist type thing (i.e. it wasn’t immediately obvious what it was). *gag*

Now please, lizards—GTF OUT OF MY HEAD!!11!

65 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:44:28pm
66 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:45:03pm
67 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:46:57pm

re: #54 Pie-onist Overlord

Is “Looper” a movie worth watching?

I was unimpressed, but it was introduced to me by someone who thought it was deep and cerebral, and talking it up correspondingly.

Maybe as light watching. It’s a predictable time travel story, with a predictable time travel resolution. The visuals are sometimes stylish. Willis and Gordon-Levitt are kind of charming.

68 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:48:16pm

re: #54 Pie-onist Overlord

Is “Looper” a movie worth watching?

I would say yes. It’s not a great movie, but it is a ‘quite good’ movie. It’s well written and conceals its twist till the very end.

69 CuriousLurker  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:48:43pm

re: #61 Dark_Falcon

Thank you. This would also be of interest to PLL as well.

You’re welcome. Please point it out to anyone else you think might enjoy it.

70 jonhendry  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:50:32pm

re: #50 Chrysicat

I think the “Right Reverend” was incorrectly added by the blogger at Patheos, thus my confusion.

71 CuriousLurker  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:51:26pm

Okay, I’m out. G’nite, lizards.

72 Chrysicat  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:53:15pm
73 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:53:21pm

@drummaboiblue1

74 Eventual Carrion  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:56:39pm

re: #65 Gus

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I’m kicking around catching him at the Beachland Ballroom in Cleveland.

75 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 7:58:48pm

re: #74 Eventual Carrion

I’m kicking around catching him at the Beachland Ballroom in Cleveland.

You should go. He’s one of the best there ever was. IMO. :D

76 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 8:05:48pm

re: #54 Pie-onist Overlord

Is “Looper” a movie worth watching?

Not really, interesting premise but it turns into a big piss off. Also JG Levitt look creepy as hell because they manipulated him digitally to make him more believable as a young Bruce Willis.

77 sagehen  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 8:12:35pm

re: #56 CuriousLurker

I didn’t watch the marathon, but I can’t wait for the new episodes to start. I also really like “Nashville” and “Chicago PD” on NBC—kinda reminds me of “The Shield” a little bit.

I’m excited for new episodes of “The Americans” starting next week.

For anyone who’s missed it:

Kari Russell and Matthew Rhys are Elizabeth and Phillip Jennings, an apparently ordinary suburban couple in 1980’s Virginia. They’ve got a couple of kids, they run a travel agency… and they’re deep-cover KGB operatives. They’ve been on the job for decades, and they’re very good at it.

Season 1 is on netflix, season 2 starts Wednesday on FX.

78 Chrysicat  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 8:16:39pm
79 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 8:26:32pm

Lots of people on Twitter talking about a huge meteorite that flashed through the sky in Minnesota…

80 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 8:26:56pm
81 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 8:30:57pm
82 Lidane  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 8:31:43pm
83 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 8:38:33pm
84 klys  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 8:39:32pm

This week’s assignment involves “defusing a code bomb planted on the server” through use of Assembly.

I kind of want to gouge my eyes out.

85 Kragar  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 8:42:17pm

re: #84 klys

This week’s assignment involves “defusing a code bomb planted on the server” through use of Assembly.

I kind of want to gouge my eyes out.

There was a show I was watching on netflix where some girl had infiltrated a government server farm, and was on her cell phone working with a guy to download “all the data”.

“OK, click here, and connect to the IP address 312.278….”

I turned it off at that point

86 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 8:43:43pm
87 klys  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 8:44:38pm

re: #85 Kragar

There was a show I was watching on netflix where some girl had infiltrated a government server farm, and was on her cell phone working with a guy to download “all the data”.

“OK, click here, and connect to the IP address 312.278….”

I turned it off at that point

I wish I could turn this off. Six levels that need to be defused by entering the proper string, which you determine from figuring out the Assembly. I have three down.

88 dr. luba  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 9:09:53pm

re: #86 Gus

There was a group of communists who set up tents by the Lenin in Kyiv for several years to protect him, after someone smashed him up a bit. It was a red granite(?) statue, and they had to raise a lot of money to get it fixed, since the government demurred.

Those tents didn’t do them much good this past November when thousands of people decided enough was enough.

My cousin in Ukraine sent me a link to the Lenin finally coming down in Zolotonosha, my dad’s home town in Left Bank Ukraine. About time. He was glad to hear.

89 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 9:13:17pm

Scandal. Highly recommended. Catch up, new eps coming.

90 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 9:14:08pm
91 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 9:16:27pm
92 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 9:23:34pm
Never mind that homosexuality is only mentioned in the Bible seven times, seven, making it pretty darn far down on the Damnation-O-Meter compared to, oh, say, hypocrisy which is condemned over and over and over and over and over again and again. And there are hundreds of references to economic justice and the immorality of those bent to the accumulation of wealth. And thousands, literally thousands, of words devoted to the feeding of the hungry, the clothing of the poor, and the healing of the sick.

- see link above to Stonekettle

93 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 9:29:48pm

If you are not reading: stonekettle.com

About the title of this piece, it’s a tip of the hat to singer-songwriter, pianist, and outspoken civil rights activist Nina Simone and an homage to her Mississippi Goddam, written and performed at Carnegie Hall in 1964 following the murder of Medgar Evers and the bombing of a black church in Birmingham that killed four young girls. Mississippi Goddam was one of the great anthems of the American Civil Rights movement. It was banned in nearly every Southern State and universally denounced by pious bigots and devoutly religious haters across the land.

50 years later, the hateful bigots are still among us, still wrapped in the hoods and robes of their small and fearful religion, working to turn back the clock with a return to Jim Crow and Segregation. The target of their hate may be different this time around, but it’s no less vile and loathsome. They, like those who came before them, are firmly on the wrong side of history and one day, just like their forbearers, that history will show them for what they truly are.

This week, marks what would have been Simone’s 80th birthday and her words ring as true today as they did back then.

94 Weet  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 9:48:06pm

96 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:05:55pm
97 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:10:18pm
98 Gus  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:33:53pm

99 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:41:37pm

re: #54 Pie-onist Overlord

Is “Looper” a movie worth watching?

I liked it. As with most time travel movies, if you think too hard about the causality paradoxes, it’ll spoil the flick.

100 freetoken  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:46:55pm

Oh, look, we live in America, 2014:

Concord High biology teacher questioned over creationism videos

A biology teacher at Concord High School is under scrutiny over videos he is accused of showing to his class that advocate creationism.

On Tuesday, Feb. 18, attorney Patrick C. Elliott of the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) sent Concord Community Schools Superintendent Wayne Stubbs a four-page letter addressing claims made to them by “a concerned parent.”

According to the letter, the parent said that Ryan Culp, a Concord High School biology teacher, showed his class parts of a video series by Kent Hovind called “Lies in the Textbooks” over a series of several classes.

[…]

In the letter to Stubbs, the attorney writes that when the parent spoke with Culp about the videos, Culp said he is legally allowed to bring creationism into the classroom as long as it isn’t more than “like, half of what the information is,” and that he is not permitted to teach either creationism or evolution as truth.

[…]

Here’s the FFR letter:
Scribd Document

And just so that I am seen as fair (* cough *) , here is felon teacher Kent Hovind’s dissertation on “Lies in the Textbooks”:

Youtube Video

101 freetoken  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:02:49pm

That story was picked up by the local TV station, in which it generated more comments:

Biology teacher under fire for lessons on creationism

To understand America 2014, please read those comments.


This, once again, is all in Indiana, hardly the Deep South, but definitely the most fundamentalist of the Great Lakes states (save for southern OH, which borders KY and WV, but the rest of OH is not so Bible-beltish.)

102 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:16:00pm

re: #101 freetoken

That story was picked up by the local TV station, in which it generated more comments:

Biology teacher under fire for lessons on creationism

To understand America 2014, please read those comments.

This, once again, is all in Indiana, hardly the Deep South, but definitely the most fundamentalist of the Great Lakes states (save for southern OH, which borders KY and WV, but the rest of OH is not so Bible-beltish.)

Elkhart is also home to a lot of Mennonites and Amish, though I think they are less likely to push creationist silliness in classrooms than fundies are.

As for the teacher’s contention he can teach that sort of stuff as long as it’s not more than 50% of the content, there’s this rather weasel-worded memo from the Indiana Dept. of Education.

Basically, it leaves supplementing the teaching of evolution up to district curriculum directors — not individual teachers — but states any supplementary material must be based on physical evidence. If local schools want to bring in non-scientific discussions, such discussions cannot be limited to one faith or one interpretation.

Should a community decide that it would be in the better interests of its students to supplement instruction by exposing the students to various accounts of the origin of the universe from cultural, mythological, or religious sources, it may do so in a comparative format that does not espouse a specific doctrine or belief system from a particular faith tradition. The espousing of one faith tradition or set of beliefs over another or others is inappropriate in a public school context.

So, the teacher is full of shit when he says using Hovind’s tripe is permissible. It’s John Freshwater all over again.

103 freetoken  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:49:48pm

Suddenly, Mahler:

MP3 Audio

104 sagehen  Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:59:23pm

Fallon is still Fallon:

Youtube Video

105 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 12:01:10am

re: #22 Dr Lizardo

Aha…..interesting. That flight to the UAE last night was a ruse, according to this report, which I’ll post in its entirety via GoogleTranslate:

“…The original plan called for a presentation at the Congress of Viktor Yanukovich of a proclamation of a new Southeast republic and its separation from Ukraine….”


Secession!!!

106 freetoken  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 12:34:32am

The permutations of American religiosity did make for some interesting combinations for politics and society, in the 19th century, for example James Russell Lowell.

That some of his words were turned into a hymn that at least a portion of our society still recognizes says something, and to this day makes for a good recording:

MP3 Audio

107 Lidane  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 1:34:28am

re: #91 Stanley Sea

Legalizing discrimination is the entire purpose of SB 1062, it has no other provisions.

The law clearly and unambiguously allows businesses to turn away gay and lesbian customers based solely on sexual orientation (or suspected orientation), it specifically protects employers who deny equal pay to women based solely on their gender if they believe women are inferior on religious grounds, it allows employers to fire employees based solely on their sexual orientation or lifestyle or religion or lack of religion, and it allows individuals and businesses to renege on existing contractual obligations again based solely on sexual orientation or lifestyle or religious beliefs - just so long as they “sincerely” invoke God when they’re doing it.

This law essentially turns every private business in Arizona into holy ground and imposes Christian Dominionism on every person inside the state lines.

How is this even remotely constitutional? WTF.

I wonder if Jan Brewer is willing to permanently solidify her legacy as a bigot. Will she enshrine the wingnut agenda in Arizona? It’s going to be interesting to see.

108 freetoken  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 1:35:30am

It’s 5 day old news, but it’s slowly gaining wider publication:

Maria Von Trapp, Inspiration for ‘Sound of Music,’ Dies at 99

109 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 2:40:25am

re: #107 Lidane

How is this even remotely constitutional? WTF.

I wonder if Jan Brewer is willing to permanently solidify her legacy as a bigot. Will she enshrine the wingnut agenda in Arizona? It’s going to be interesting to see.

Well, her base has put her in an interesting spot. Sign the bill and please her base, but leave AZ open to any number of civil rights cases (that means it’s gonna cost money), not to mention public ridicule and condemnation. Veto the bill, do the right thing, but piss off her Dominionist/RWNJ supporters. Is she up for re-election anytime soon?

110 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 2:57:39am

re: #109 wheat-dogghazi

Well, her base has put her in an interesting spot. Sign the bill and please her base, but leave AZ open to any number of civil rights cases (that means it’s gonna cost money), not to mention public ridicule and condemnation. Veto the bill, do the right thing, but piss off her Dominionist/RWNJ supporters. Is she up for re-election anytime soon?

We could wind up seeing something like the Alabama schools with federal marshalls coming in to allow gays to be served…

I think that is the very scenario some people want to provoke, so they can point to it as totalitarian oppression and disregard of their so-called “religious freedom”.

111 Lidane  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 2:58:52am

re: #109 wheat-dogghazi

Is she up for re-election anytime soon?

According to Wikipedia, Arizona law term limits a governor to two consecutive terms even if they got appointed to the job in the middle of someone else’s term. They can then run again after a four-year break. Jan Brewer became governor in 2009, then ran for re-election in 2010. She’s out of office next January and wouldn’t be able to run again until 2018.

That puts her in an interesting position. She could please her base and let the law pass, then let her successor deal with the fallout and then run again later as a conservative hero. Or she could veto the law, piss off the religious nuts, and just count the days until she returns to private life.

112 Lidane  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 3:00:42am

re: #110 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

I think that is the very scenario some people want to provoke, so they can point to it as totalitarian oppression and disregard of their so-called “religious freedom”.

I’m waiting for the first lawsuits from Christians who were denied service, or given lower wages, or whatever by some other religious group. That should be a hoot.

113 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 3:01:38am

re: #111 Lidane

Ha. I don’t know enough about her to make a prediction. She seems crazy enough that she might really sign the thing.

Maybe someone needs to refresh her memory about her oath of office, promising to uphold the constitution, etc., etc.

114 Lidane  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 3:05:32am

re: #113 wheat-dogghazi

Ha. I don’t know enough about her to make a prediction. She seems crazy enough that she might really sign the thing.

Maybe someone needs to refresh her memory about her oath of office, promising to uphold the constitution, etc., etc.

Yeah, I can’t predict what she’d do either. I know that Rick Perry would absolutely sign that kind of law here in Texas, and so would the rest of the Texas GOP. I don’t know enough about Arizona to even guess where this is going to go.

What’s pathetic is that this is even an issue in 2014. WTF.

115 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 3:08:27am

re: #112 Lidane

I’m waiting for the first lawsuits from Christians who were denied service, or given lower wages, or whatever by some other religious group. That should be a hoot.

Or clubs that deny service to heteros…

116 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 3:16:21am

re: #115 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

Or clubs that deny service to heteros…

Or Jewish and Islamic businesses discriminating based on a splinter group’s fatwa or rabbinical ruling.

117 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 3:19:33am

re: #114 Lidane

Yeah, I can’t predict what she’d do either. I know that Rick Perry would absolutely sign that kind of law here in Texas, and so would the rest of the Texas GOP. I don’t know enough about Arizona to even guess where this is going to go.

What’s pathetic is that this is even an issue in 2014 after 1865. WTF.

Or after 1791, in fact.

118 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 3:21:36am

re: #115 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

Or clubs that deny service to heteros…

We don’t serve their kind here.

119 urbanmeemaw  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 3:25:07am

re: #56 CuriousLurker

I love Scandal and Nashville! I didn’t know about the Scandal marathon. Dag!!!

120 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 3:49:11am

re: #116 Decatur Deb

Or Jewish and Islamic businesses discriminating based on a splinter group’s fatwa or rabbinical ruling.

This reminds me of the Louisiana state legislator who supported public funding for religious schools, but was surprised to find out it would also apply to Islamic ones.

121 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 4:07:37am

re: #120 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

This reminds me of the Louisiana state legislator who supported public funding for religious schools, but was surprised to find out it would also apply to Islamic ones.

These people wear blinkers. In their narrow vision, they only see how their legislation affects “Christians.” They’ve bought into the Christian Nation hokum sold by David Barton and others, so they fail to recognize there are non-Christians who could or would also take advantage of religious exclusionism.

122 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 4:25:37am

re: #121 wheat-dogghazi

These people wear blinkers. In their narrow vision, they only see how their legislation affects “Christians.” They’ve bought into the Christian Nation hokum sold by David Barton and others, so they fail to recognize there are non-Christians who could or would also take advantage of religious exclusionism.

These people then counter that Islam is not a religion but rather a political system and/or that these other religions are sects and cults, etc.

In any case, they cannot be convinced to understand why the Founding Father adopted the principle of separation of Church and State.

123 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 4:26:32am

re: #105 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

“…The original plan called for a presentation at the Congress of Viktor Yanukovich of a proclamation of a new Southeast republic and its separation from Ukraine….”

>Secession!!!

Secession may well have been the original plan, but that changed rather abruptly when, according to the article, President Putin put the kibosh on that idea.

Putin is many things; autocratic, ruthless, etc., but he is not rash or impetuous, and above all, he is not a fool. I think he will wait to see how things shake out in the immediate post-Yanukovych environment and proceed accordingly, most likely politically as opposed to militarily.

124 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 4:27:34am

Member of Fatherland Party and old ally of Tymoschenko. The Wiki page about him is inconclusive and sketchy, including an alleged quote from him about sodomy being a “perversion”. The linked site does not give a source for his alleged remark, but we have to remember that Ukraine is a socially conservative country in many ways, having been under Soviet/Russian influence for decades and a democracy in its infancy.

lgf.org.uk

All the West can really do at this point is to sit back and see how things shake out in the coming months and years. If they deserve criticism they will get it along with any praise for bringing a more democratic govt to Ukraine. This baby is not a re-birth and is bringing its own baggage in many forms; it’s up to them to change for the better for all if they want to keep it.

125 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 4:30:05am

We still have this idea that people in the Middle East or Easter Europe have merely to shake off their dictators and democracy and Free Enterprise will immediately take root and blossom.

126 Targetpractice  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 4:31:23am

re: #123 Dr Lizardo

Secession may well have been the original plan, but that changed rather abruptly when, according to the article, President Putin put the kibosh on that idea.

Putin is many things; autocratic, ruthless, etc., but he is not rash or impetuous, and above all, he is not a fool. I think he will wait to see how things shake out in the immediate post-Yanukovych environment and proceed accordingly, most likely politically as opposed to militarily.

There was mutterings last night about suggestions of splitting the country between a pro-EU West and pro-Russia East, but I don’t see that happening. You’d have a hard as fuck time dividing the country in a fashion that both sides would be happy with.

127 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 4:33:44am

There are no clear lines: the Eastern Ukraine is a lot more industrialized and settled by ethnic Russians, but as was pointed out here, a lot of them consider themselves politically Ukranian.

128 Targetpractice  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 4:47:10am

re: #127 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

There are no clear lines: the Eastern Ukraine is a lot more industrialized and settled by ethnic Russians, but as was pointed out here, a lot of them consider themselves politically Ukranian.

Indeed, we’re not talking a nation like Iraq or the Balkans, where different ethnicities were forces to live together under one flag, we’re talking a nation that’s divided on political grounds, between Ukrainians who look to the EU and those who look to Russia. More likely that those who simply will not accept the change in politics will leave the country than push for secession.

129 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 4:49:39am

Klitschko heads the Ukrainian Democratic Alliance for Reform Party (or the “Punch” party) which appears to be the most EU oriented as well as “progressive” as you can probably be in Ukraine these days. The party has an alliance w/the Christian Democrats in Germany, where Klitschko has long had a residence as well, and holds the status of “observer” in the European People’s Party. Klitschko sees the EU as a ” “model for our future political and economic development” and considers himself a “reformer”.

Klitschko: Protesters should remain on streets, opposition will ‘consider issue’ of prosecuting Yanukovych

kyivpost.com

130 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 4:54:24am

Lots of PoR types being sacked, also head of security and foreign minister.


New laws being passed quickly ahead of elections also.

131 Targetpractice  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 4:56:42am

re: #130 Justanotherhuman

Lots of PoR types being sacked, also head of security and foreign minister.

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I think we should remain cautiously optimistic that what will come out of this will be laws and reforms that will ensure men like Yanuk cannot ever again put Ukraine in this situation. But I worry that the rush to beat the May deadline might lead to some unintentionally bad laws being passed.

132 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 5:03:33am

re: #131 Targetpractice

I think we should remain cautiously optimistic that what will come out of this will be laws and reforms that will ensure men like Yanuk cannot ever again put Ukraine in this situation. But I worry that the rush to beat the May deadline might lead to some unintentionally bad laws being passed.

Laws should never be passed in haste. That’s Rule #1.

133 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 5:09:14am
134 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 5:10:59am
135 Lidane  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 5:12:58am

re: #132 Dr Lizardo

Laws should never be passed in haste. That’s Rule #1.

See also: the Patriot Act.

136 Targetpractice  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 5:19:43am

re: #134 Justanotherhuman

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I left early last night, so I didn’t hear if Yanuk has managed to flee the country yet or not. Any new news on that front?

137 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 5:19:47am

re: #87 klys

I wish I could turn this off. Six levels that need to be defused by entering the proper string, which you determine from figuring out the Assembly. I have three down.

Assembler for which processor? Some (VAX, 68k) are better than others (i386? shudder).

138 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 5:21:31am

re: #97 Gus

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Nice.

That was an amazing jet from the days when Boeing did things right.

139 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 5:22:06am

re: #135 Lidane

See also: the Patriot Act.

The textbook example of Rule #1.

140 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 5:23:30am

re: #134 Justanotherhuman

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Good. I’m wondering if that’s the reason why Ukrainian border guards wouldn’t let Yanuk leave the country, despite his attempt to bribe them.

Maybe they figured this was coming.

141 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 5:24:12am

Speaking of Ukrainian dictators:

The summary of the CIA personality sketch of Nikita Krushchev has been released.

slate.com

142 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 5:24:59am

re: #139 Dr Lizardo

The textbook example of Rule #1.

That it was already written and ready to go is far at that moment is more bothersome to me than even the hideous law within it.

And only one senator had the balls to vote against it.

143 Chrysicat  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 5:26:11am

re: #138 William Barnett-Lewis

Nice.

That was an amazing jet from the days when Boeing did things right.

Those days lasted another 55 years at least…the trip-sev was (and is still) great too. It’s just the damn Dreamliner, and that’s probably from trying to make it as multinational as a Scarebus…

144 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 5:28:22am

re: #136 Targetpractice

I left early last night, so I didn’t hear if Yanuk has managed to flee the country yet or not. Any new news on that front?

Don’t think he has left. Not with all this.

145 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 5:30:41am

re: #143 Chrysicat

Those days lasted another 55 years at least…the trip-sev was (and is still) great too. It’s just the damn Dreamliner, and that’s probably from trying to make it as multinational as a Scarebus…

To a certain extent. The last leap forward was when the bet the company on the 747. The 57,67 & 77 were all simple evolutions of it. The 787 Dreamliner was the first big attempt in years and, so far, it’s nowhere near as successful.

146 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 5:34:06am

re: #108 freetoken

It’s 5 day old news, but it’s slowly gaining wider publication:

Maria Von Trapp, Inspiration for ‘Sound of Music,’ Dies at 99

I had to read the article to realize that she was not “Maria the former nun”, but “Louisel” who sang “16 Going On 17”

147 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 5:35:34am

This appears to be a trend amongst PoR members…

148 kirkspencer  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 5:41:11am

re: #85 Kragar

There was a show I was watching on netflix where some girl had infiltrated a government server farm, and was on her cell phone working with a guy to download “all the data”.

“OK, click here, and connect to the IP address 312.278….”

I turned it off at that point

(yeah, I know, much late from this)

I’ve been thinking about these 300 level IP addresses a bit, and having done so I think they’re intentional - they’re 555’s.

You know - there is no 555 area code. So every television show that posts a phone number uses 555. Why? Because idiots and people who think they’re funny (not completely redundant) who see the number on the television will call it. Do call it. (Ask anyone who has 867-5309 how many times they got asked if Jenny was there.)

So no more eye rolling for that.

Perfect zoom on a webcam, however…

149 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 5:42:16am

re: #147 Justanotherhuman

It’s a simple recognition that Yanukovych is finished, and they’re trying to publicly distance themselves from him as far as they can.

150 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 5:46:20am

Canada is hammering Sweden.

151 Targetpractice  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 5:46:49am

re: #147 Justanotherhuman

This appears to be a trend amongst PoR members…

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It’s funny that this post is in the same thread as one about Khrushchev, considering one event the latter is famous for is the tradition of every new General Secretary coming into office and denouncing the more unpopular moves of his predecessor so as to set himself up as “different.”

152 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 5:58:35am

re: #148 kirkspencer

(yeah, I know, much late from this)

I’ve been thinking about these 300 level IP addresses a bit, and having done so I think they’re intentional - they’re 555’s.

You know - there is no 555 area code. So every television show that posts a phone number uses 555. Why? Because idiots and people who think they’re funny (not completely redundant) who see the number on the television will call it. Do call it. (Ask anyone who has 867-5309 how many times they got asked if Jenny was there.)

So no more eye rolling for that.

Perfect zoom on a webcam, however…

Check that. The 555 used in media is the prefix, not the area code. Ma Bell long ago assigned the 555 prefix (or exchange for us oldtimers) specifically for information calls (555-1212 = 411 now) and media use.

And I may be wrong, but I thought 867-5309 was retired from service for that very reason.

153 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:00:51am

re: #152 wheat-dogghazi

Check that. The 555 used in media is the prefix, not the area code. Ma Bell long ago assigned the 555 prefix (or exchange for us oldtimers) specifically for information calls (555-1212 = 411 now) and media use.

And I may be wrong, but I thought 867-5309 was retired from service for that very reason.

I was given a phone number in Flagstaff AZ that had previously belonged to certain Mr Lloyd Beaver.

I had so many people calling up asking for Mr Beaver that I finally started replying “Mr Beaver is not in, would you like to talk to Mr Woodchuck?”

154 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:07:23am

re: #153 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

When I was a kid, our home phone ended in 5117. The local post office phone number ended in 5177. So, you can imagine.

155 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:10:37am

These men came from all walks of life and political persuasions, but with one goal.

The stories of 10 of EuroMaidan’s slain ‘heroes’

kyivpost.com

156 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:11:44am

Years ago, we had the same phone number, but different area code, than a highway rest stop.

Someone called, asking to speak to the janitor.

My daughter said “There’s no janitor here.”

“Well, isn’t there somebody cleaning up?”

She said “Nobody ever cleans up here.”

157 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:13:48am

WHAT SIN, U IDIOT? THERE’S NO SIN BAKING A CAKE.

158 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:15:18am

As the commenter noted, “why would anyone protest removal of corrupt dictator wannabe”?

159 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:20:39am
160 Targetpractice  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:20:56am

re: #157 Pie-onist Overlord

WHAT SIN, U IDIOT? THERE’S NO SIN BAKING A CAKE.

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I’ve been “discussing” this with a supporter of this BS. The argument goes that if the baker makes the cake for a gay wedding, then he’s “enabling” the sinners and thus as guilty as if he was the one committing the sin. But the “logic” hits a snag when you consider there are no reports of cakes being denied to divorcees looking to get hitched or couples getting married in a shotgun wedding.

161 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:22:15am

Hope this is true.

162 freetoken  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:22:26am

re: #160 Targetpractice

It’s a completely artificial objection, made up solely to perpetrate the myth of persecution.

163 freetoken  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:23:48am

Anyone who can convince themselves that people lived with dinosaurs can also be convinced that baking a cake is some horror of cosmic consequence.

164 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:24:01am

re: #157 Pie-onist Overlord

WHAT SIN, U IDIOT? THERE’S NO SIN BAKING A CAKE.

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Ahem… Southern Baptist MIL made a bourbon-soaked Lane cake, not expecting the preacher to ‘drop by’ at supper. There was sin but he absolved her.

165 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:24:34am

Update: Homicide squad detectives are investigating fatal carbon monoxide leak at a New York mall - Statement via @NBCNewYork
end of alert

166 Lidane  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:26:14am

re: #157 Pie-onist Overlord

WHAT SIN, U IDIOT? THERE’S NO SIN BAKING A CAKE.

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A baker baking a cake for a gay couple isn’t just someone doing a jrrrb they’re getting paid for! It’s approval of sodomy!

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167 Targetpractice  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:27:23am

re: #164 Decatur Deb

Ahem… Southern Baptist MIL made a bourbon-soaked Lane cake, not expecting the preacher to ‘drop by’ at supper. There was sin but he absolved her.

That is really what gets me. The excuse is that they will have “sinned” in some fashion if they sell a wedding cake to a gay couple, but I’m not aware of God being overly uptight on sin if you seek forgiveness. It sort of runs contrary to the whole idea of a loving and forgiving deity if making a buck will condemn you to a life of eternal torment.

168 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:29:57am

re: #167 Targetpractice

That is really what gets me. The excuse is that they will have “sinned” in some fashion if they sell a wedding cake to a gay couple, but I’m not aware of God being overly uptight on sin if you seek forgiveness. It sort of runs contrary to the whole idea of a loving and forgiving deity if making a buck will condemn you to a life of eternal torment.

The entire issue is BS, unworthy of analysis. The legislators who pass this shit are just pimping god.

169 Lidane  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:32:10am

re: #163 freetoken

Anyone who can convince themselves that people lived with dinosaurs can also be convinced that baking a cake is some horror of cosmic consequence.

Pretty much.

If you’ve convinced yourself that the Earth is 6000 years old, and that The Flintstones was a documentary, you scare easily.

170 Targetpractice  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:32:41am

re: #168 Decatur Deb

The entire issue is BS, unworthy of analysis. The legislators who pass this shit are just pimping god.

It’s not so much “pimping God” as promoting segregation. I’m not sure many of us like the thought of walking into town and seeing businesses sporting “Gays Not Allowed” signs, yet that’s what law like this would allow.

171 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:33:22am

re: #164 Decatur Deb

Ahem… Southern Baptist MIL made a bourbon-soaked Lane cake, not expecting the preacher to ‘drop by’ at supper. There was sin but he absolved her.

If a researcher could get an honest answer out of them, you’d find that Southern Baptists are the largest consumers of brown whiskey in the south, bourbon, but a lot of blended whiskeys, too. Wine is considered too “foreign” and beer too common (plus having to drink too much for effect) for consumption. SBs probably comprise the largest number of alcoholics, too, since it’s a predominant religion. You might not see them at the local bar, though, as they tend to “sneak” their drinks. Small, pocket-sized flasks, easily concealed, are popular.

172 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:33:59am

re: #167 Targetpractice

That is really what gets me. The excuse is that they will have “sinned” in some fashion if they sell a wedding cake to a gay couple, but I’m not aware of God being overly uptight on sin if you seek forgiveness. It sort of runs contrary to the whole idea of a loving and forgiving deity if making a buck will condemn you to a life of eternal torment.

The only people who care are the ones afraid of Teh Ghey.

“Forgive me, Lord, for I have sinned. Today I sold a wedding cake to a gay couple.”

“What did you charge them? Was it a good cake?”

“The usual price. And the usual cake.”

“All right, then. Call me when you’ve done something bad.”

173 freetoken  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:34:38am

re: #168 Decatur Deb

The entire issue is BS, unworthy of analysis. The legislators who pass this shit are just pimping god.

They are simply practicing bigotry for the sake of re-election from a voting bloc - a voting bloc that has now been so twisted into a knot over their now-riddled-with-holes ancient worldview that they are in full defense mode, unable to cope with the reality that many people openly refuse to accept the beliefs of ancients.

The “argument” of Erick son of Erick is equally riddled with holes. His illogic is laid bare pretty quickly when one compares all the daily tasks that are done in which people have to participate by paying taxes. Erickson, if he is really concerned about the government “making” people “sin”, ought to preach to his followers that they stop paying taxes, period, given the government creates/endorses/protects myriad activities that run contrary to religious prohibitions found in the Christian Bible.

174 Lidane  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:36:10am

re: #170 Targetpractice

It’s not so much “pimping God” as promoting segregation.

The Party of Personal Freedom passing a law that restricts freedom and promotes segregation.

Seems legit.

175 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:36:22am

re: #173 freetoken

Isn’t that why Kent Hovind is in the cooler, for tax evasion?

176 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:37:41am

re: #173 freetoken

They are simply practicing bigotry for the sake of re-election from a voting bloc - a voting bloc

…snip

Yup—that’s pimping. (A good pimp doesn’t need a prostitute—he just needs to convince the john there’s one behind the door.)

177 freetoken  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:38:25am

re: #175 wheat-dogghazi

Yes, I believe in some variant of the laws.

You can object to military duty on the basis of religious belief.

You can opt out of jury duty on the basis of religious belief.

You still have to pay your taxes.

You still have to follow the laws of the land.

You can still lose your citizenship.

No matter what you believe.

178 freetoken  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:39:59am

Eric son of Erick refuses to acknowledge what it means to be a citizen and what the US Constitution really is about.

He still pumps out screed that he is some great defender of “America”, but it is a lie.

179 Chrysicat  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:41:41am

re: #151 Targetpractice

It’s funny that this post is in the same thread as one about Khrushchev, considering one event the latter is famous for is the tradition of every new General Secretary coming into office and denouncing the more unpopular moves of his predecessor so as to set himself up as “different.”

Everything I read about him suggests that he was the only Gen Sec until Gorby who actually did it out of a sense of moral requirement, though. The USSR was freeer under Krushchev than his successors, and I think everyone has to agree that deStalinization was both a good thing and not particularly likely to have come from any of the other leaders surrounding Stalin. In particular, if Beria had succeeded, Stalinism would have looked good in hindsight…

So yeah, blame his successors for undoing the good he did, but Krushchev himself was probably the closest thing to a Third Way-ist that you would ever have seen in the mid-20th century…

…And something tells me I just earned my first cumulative downdings in a year…

180 Lidane  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:42:14am
181 ObserverArt  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:44:32am

If the stupid Arizona law makes any Christian in that state feel like they committed a sin because they baked a cake for a same-sex marriage, then I would suggest the persecution is coming from the state and is in fact against many religious beliefs. It in fact persecutes Christians. Way to go Arizona. Setting religious dogma based on exactly what again? I thought it was supposed to be “hate the sin not the sinner” and what Arizona wants is “hate it all” in the name of the state.

182 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:44:33am

I wondered why my grandson’s phone cost so damned much. It’s an HTC 4G and is larger than he thought it would be. I said, did you not read the dimensions of the thing? But he’s happy since it’s a handheld computer. It’s almost like these phones are becoming a status symbol.

Amid shake-up, US cell carriers look to new models

bigstory.ap.org

ETA: Although if carriers are going up on the price of their phones to what they think the real value is, he may have gotten a bargain just in time, although accidentally, even if it did cost twice as much as the one he got a couple of years ago when he signed up for Virgin Mobile on a month-to-month basis. No contracts for him.

183 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:48:04am

re: #179 Chrysicat

Everything I read about him suggests that he was the only Gen Sec until Gorby who actually did it out of a sense of moral requirement, though. The USSR was freeer under Krushchev than his successors, and I think everyone has to agree that deStalinization was both a good thing and not particularly likely to have come from any of the other leaders surrounding Stalin. In particular, if Beria had succeeded, Stalinism would have looked good in hindsight…

So yeah, blame his successors for undoing the good he did, but Krushchev himself was probably the closest thing to a Third Way-ist that you would ever have seen in the mid-20th century…

…And something tells me I just earned my first cumulative downdings in a year…

A bit sunny-side-up, hardly dingable.

184 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:52:15am

Morning dogwalk, then firing the grill for ribs. BBL

185 ObserverArt  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:58:00am

re: #174 Lidane

The Party of Personal Freedom passing a law that restricts freedom and promotes segregation.

Seems legit.

Ahh…but one must remember, personal freedom only until it runs up against biblical law. If you think about it, there really is no personal freedom in a strict religion. Your freedom is already defined, limited and further controlled by your belief. And that is exactly how many religions seem to operate, in a very narrow reading of what you are allowed by God.

Where is freedom in that? They talk of free will, but they sure as hell preach against it. And the Arizona law would be the furthest thing from free will.

And then it isn’t the religion that is segregating, it is God, and we must follow God.

See how easy hate can be allowed and justified.

186 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:58:53am

How many palaces did this asshole own?

187 Lidane  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:59:34am
188 Lidane  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 7:01:58am

re: #185 ObserverArt

See how easy hate can be allowed and justified.

Sure. It’s one of many reasons I haven’t set foot in a church in decades aside from weddings and funerals. That and the raging hypocrisy of most of the people in the pews and in power.

189 Chrysicat  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 7:05:01am

re: #185 ObserverArt

Ahh…but one must remember, personal freedom only until it runs up against biblical law. If you think about it, there really is no personal freedom in a strict religion. Your freedom is already defined, limited and further controlled by your belief. And that is exactly how many religions seem to operate, in a very narrow reading of what you are allowed by God.

Where is freedom in that? They talk of free will, but they sure as hell preach against it. And the Arizona law would be the furthest thing from free will.

And then it isn’t the religion that is segregating, it is God, and we must follow God.

See how easy hate can be allowed and justified.

I call this, especially from modern Southern Baptists and ‘nondenominational Christianity’, the Fallacy of the Christ-bot. If you’ve opened your heart to Christ, these people seem to hold a lot of the time, you’ll automatically only be able to do godly things. Like treat gays like shit in this life so they’ll be driven to turn straight and ‘be saved from an eternity of being treated like shit’.

Have I ever mentioned how much I really doubt Paul’s right to speak for Christ, and that he’s the only person to even suggest that homosexuality isn’t covered under the New Covenant just the way food or mixed fabric is?

190 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 7:05:53am

re: #179 Chrysicat

No downding on my part. You’re quite right about Lavrentiy Beria; he was a straight-up SOB. There’s also a strong possibility he may have been a serial killer as well as a monstrous sexual predator.

From his Wiki bio:

Evidence suggests that Beria not only abducted and raped women but some were also murdered. His villa in Moscow is now the Tunisian Embassy. In the mid 1990s, routine work in the grounds turned up the bone remains of several young girls buried in the gardens. According to Martin Sixsmith, in a BBC documentary, “Beria spent his nights having teenagers abducted from the streets and brought here for him to rape. Those who resisted were strangled and buried in his wife’s rose garden.”

en.wikipedia.org

191 Flounder  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 7:13:19am

Got in at midnight last night from Fort Myers Florida. Ugh. Southwest was able to get us to Baltimore, and then we rented a car and drove the rest of the way up past Albany NY. Of course, the bags won’t be in the Albany terminal until sometime today, so they say…
So I’m bribing the family to get back in the car to pick up bags, and we will have Five Guys for dinner. I don’t think it’s enough of a bribe.

Good Morning!

192 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 7:15:18am

re: #179 Chrysicat

re: #190 Dr Lizardo

Umm,,, Khrushchev didn’t exactly have clean hands

From HIS Wiki

Beginning in 1934, Stalin began a campaign of political repression known as the Great Purge, during which millions of people were executed or sent to the Gulag. Central to this campaign were Moscow Trials, a series of show trials of the purged top leaders of the party and the military. In 1936, as the trials proceeded, Khrushchev expressed his vehement support:
QUOTE
“Everyone who rejoices in the successes achieved in our country, the victories of our party led by the great Stalin, will find only one word suitable for the mercenary, fascist dogs of the Trotskyite-Zinovievite gang. That word is execution.[37]”

193 Lidane  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 7:16:00am

re: #189 Chrysicat

I call this, especially modern Southern Baptists and ‘nondenominational Christianity’, the Fallacy of the Christ-bot. If you’ve opened your heart to Christ, these people seem to hold a lot of the time, you’ll automatically only be able to do godly things.

The opposite is also true. Many of them think that if you’ve been “saved” that it doesn’t matter what you do after that. It’s a sort of blank check to be a jerk or a bigot or a greedy asshole. It’s okay. You’ve been “saved”. Just offer some sort of repentance on your deathbed before you die and it’s all good.

194 Lidane  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 7:16:48am
195 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 7:18:03am

re: #157 Pie-onist Overlord

WHAT SIN, U IDIOT? THERE’S NO SIN BAKING A CAKE.

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Neither is anyone being forced to bake wedding cakes.

196 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 7:20:13am

re: #181 ObserverArt

If the stupid Arizona law makes any Christian in that state feel like they committed a sin because they baked a cake for a same-sex marriage, then I would suggest the persecution is coming from the state and is in fact against many religious beliefs. It in fact persecutes Christians. Way to go Arizona. Setting religious dogma based on exactly what again? I thought it was supposed to be “hate the sin not the sinner” and what Arizona wants is “hate it all” in the name of the state.

It goes beyond that, it means you can use the police to evict gays from your premises. Wait ‘til they try that and they bring in Federal Marshalls to enforce Federal Law…

197 Lidane  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 7:25:37am

re: #196 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

It goes beyond that, it means you can use the police to evict gays from your premises. Wait ‘til they try that and they bring in Federal Marshalls to enforce Federal Law…

All of which makes me wonder if Brewer really will allow herself to become the 21st Century George Wallace. I can’t imagine that she’d want to end her time in office enshrining what amounts to a new Jim Crow law.

198 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 7:26:05am

heh

House just took a power hit

Problem is, my generator didn’t kick in (on a UPS system, so it should have when it sensed a power loss from the street)

Looks like someone (hint ,, ME) is going to be working on their house system today!!!

199 Targetpractice  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 7:26:42am


200 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 7:27:25am

re: #192 sattv4u2

Umm,,, Khrushchev didn’t exactly have clean hands

From HIS Wiki

Beginning in 1934, Stalin began a campaign of political repression known as the Great Purge, during which millions of people were executed or sent to the Gulag. Central to this campaign were Moscow Trials, a series of show trials of the purged top leaders of the party and the military. >In 1936, as the trials proceeded, Khrushchev expressed his vehement support:
QUOTE
“Everyone who rejoices in the successes achieved in our country, the victories of our party led by the great Stalin, will find >only one word suitable for the mercenary, fascist dogs of the Trotskyite-Zinovievite gang. That word is execution.[37]”

I remember an NPR interview with one of our diplomats as Gorbachev came to power: “We can work with him, he’s their first leader who isn’t up to his elbows in blood.”

201 Flounder  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 7:28:16am

re: #198 sattv4u2

I sense and expenditure of $$$$

202 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 7:29:48am

re: #201 Flounder

i sense and expenditure of $$$$

Nahh.. Must be something as simple as a sensor or relay switch

Just a matter of testing each component along the chain to see what faulted ((on the UPS board it may even show me what that fault was)

203 Lidane  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 7:30:35am

re: #199 Targetpractice

204 Targetpractice  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 7:32:18am

re: #203 Lidane

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Leaning towards “just stupid.” The woman’s foreign policy experience could fit on a business card.

205 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 7:32:18am
206 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 7:32:24am

re: #202 sattv4u2

Nahh.. Must be something as simple as a sensor or relay switch

Just a matter of testing each component along the chain to see what faulted ((on the UPS board it may even show me what that fault was)

Design issue: the power failure sensor must draw power from the grid.

207 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 7:34:27am

The party with the Putin-love faction is now saying Obama needs to confront Putin more?
O_o

208 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 7:36:05am

re: #204 Targetpractice

Leaning towards “just stupid.” The woman’s foreign policy experience could fit on a business card.

Anyone on this site probably knows more about foreign policy than Ayotte.

209 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 7:36:16am

re: #206 Decatur Deb

Design issue: the power failure sensor must draw power from the grid.

Nope

It’s actually powered by the batteries which stay charged from the grid

Grid goes out, generator is supposed to kick on

Between the time the power goes out and the gen fires the batteries “power” the house (anywhere from 5 - 10 minutes)

The batteries CAN power the house up to an hour just in case the generator faults and has to be restarted or manually cranked

210 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 7:39:06am

re: #179 Chrysicat

Everything I read about him suggests that he was the only Gen Sec until Gorby who actually did it out of a sense of moral requirement, though. The USSR was freeer under Krushchev than his successors, and I think everyone has to agree that deStalinization was both a good thing and not particularly likely to have come from any of the other leaders surrounding Stalin. In particular, if Beria had succeeded, Stalinism would have looked good in hindsight…

So yeah, blame his successors for undoing the good he did, but Krushchev himself was probably the closest thing to a Third Way-ist that you would ever have seen in the mid-20th century…

…And something tells me I just earned my first cumulative downdings in a year…

Krushchev also ordered the Hungarian revolt of 1956 crushed, threatened to ‘bury’ the west, approved of the building of the Berlin Wall, and increased support of communist insurgents in several nations.

He had his good points, but IMO the bad is still sufficient to damn him in my eyes.

211 ObserverArt  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 7:40:42am

Oh…Susan Rice on Meet The Press.

BENGHAZI!!!

I think I can hear jaws clenching all across ‘merica!

212 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 7:41:00am

re: #210 Dark_Falcon

Krushchev also ordered the Hungarian revolt of 1956 crushed, threatened to ‘bury’ the west, approved of the building of the Berlin Wall, and increased support of communist insurgents in several nations.

He had his good points, but IMO the bad is still sufficient to damn him in my eyes.

Krushchev had a pretty low bar to clear in order to be considered “better” than his predecessors and alternates.

213 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 7:42:41am

re: #211 ObserverArt

Oh…Susan Rice on Meet The Press.

>BENGHAZI!!!

I think I can hear jaws clenching all across ‘merica!

Benghazi is now like a car 4’ off the ground due to being supported by the chassis. And the driver is wondering why the tires are not getting any traction while they continue to gun the engine.

214 Flounder  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 7:42:42am

re: #211 ObserverArt

I liked it when they asked her if Banghazi cost her the secretary position. I thought it was never offered!

215 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 7:42:42am

re: #212 Feline Fearless Leader

Krushchev had a pretty low bar to clear in order to be considered “better” than his predecessors and alternates.

heh

My new neghbor is O.J. Simpson

But thats okay. The guy that used to live here was Jefferey Dahmer!!!

//

216 Political Atheist  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 7:47:51am

re: #209 sattv4u2

Nice system.

217 Lidane  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 7:47:52am
218 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 7:48:11am

re: #204 Targetpractice

Leaning towards “just stupid.” The woman’s foreign policy experience could fit on a business card.

It’s not stupid. Kelly Ayotte represents a New Hampshire, and she’s voted repeatedly to raise the debt ceiling and to end the shutdown, and I believe she voted for the repeal of DADT. But that being so, she still needs to take potshots at Obama to maintain her street cred with a state party base that is not rabid but still passionately dislikes Barack Obama. The potshots don’t have to hit, she just has to take them.

Many here will call that dysfunctional, and it is, but its also fairly normal in politics. As long as it does not exceed a certain threshold, that kind of ritual cursing of the other side isn’t problematic; Kelly Ayotte is well within the bounds of that threshold.

219 Lidane  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 7:50:33am

re: #218 Dark_Falcon

But that being so, she still needs to take potshots at Obama to maintain her street cred with a state party base that is not rabid but still passionately dislikes Barack Obama. The potshots don’t have to hit, she just has to take them..

So basically, she’s not stupid, but the Republican base is. Gotcha.

220 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 7:54:31am

It’s sunny and much of the snow has melted in my part of the world.

you?

221 Ryan King  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 7:57:46am

Ayotte is doing what her base loves: negatively interpret, cynically associate, and generally talk shit about Obama by whatever means necessary.

Of course Ukraine, the Olympics, and my spilled beer are Obama’s fault. Because he’s a Kenyan commie liberal.

222 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 7:57:53am

re: #220 FemNaziBitch

It’s sunny and much of the snow has melted in my part of the world.

you?

40F today and overcast as compared to yesterday’s mid-50s, clear and sunny.

Will be running errands today rather than taking an extended walk this afternoon.

223 Ryan King  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 7:59:01am

re: #219 Lidane

So basically, she’s not stupid, but the Republican base is. Gotcha.

Most of them do believe their own bullshit.

224 ObserverArt  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:00:11am

re: #220 FemNaziBitch

It’s sunny and much of the snow has melted in my part of the world.

you?

Pretty much all gone here in central Ohio too. We’ve had three mid 50° days to wipe it all out. Looks like this week is going to be cooler as in the 30s…hopefully it is winter’s last stand. I want/need some sunshine.

225 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:02:44am

re: #219 Lidane

So basically, she’s not stupid, but the Republican base is. Gotcha.

No, not so much. Keeping any political base ‘fired up’ requires attacking one’s opponents. “COOPERATION AND MODERATION!!” is not a cry that will fill the town square.

Moreover, about 97% of people* at least occasionally have a powerful need to feel self-righteous and superior. Some seek this fulfillment of this need through politics and the party leaders’ attacks on opponents help fulfill it.

*: The 97% is based on my own experience. YMMV

226 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:03:01am

re: #222 Feline Fearless Leader

40F today and overcast as compared to yesterday’s mid-50s, clear and sunny.

Will be running errands today rather than taking an extended walk this afternoon.

Old man dog has to stay home with me today as everyone else goes hunting. I thought about taking him for a walk, but I have a feeling he’d rather sit on the couch and watch the 3rd season of Game of Thrones with me.

227 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:03:06am

re: #217 Lidane

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That’s weird. Could have sworn a lot of people worked with Yanukovych and Ukraine during the nuclear disarmament talks.

The president also met with Yanukovych on several occasions. Seems interesting that Mark Ames would link to The Nation which just weeks ago Stepehen Cohen, the husband of The Nation’s chief honcho, was pleading for Obama to cut the Kremlin some slack. I might do some more research on said firm that Mr. Ames mentions.

Interesting note. Peter Thiel who basically helps pay for Mr. Ames salary now at PandoDaily is a fire breathing libertarian and GOP mega supporter. Thiel also contributed around $36K to the McCain/Palin campaign in 2008. Ames is basically getting a check from him.

228 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:05:18am

Good morning lizards!

Here is some raw video footage inside Yanuk’s property.

Youtube Video

229 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:11:49am

re: #228 NJDhockeyfan

0:51 in

Looks like he has his own brand(s) of booze

Wonder if you can get a bottle in the gift shop!!!
/

230 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:11:58am

re: #228 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

Here is some raw video footage inside Yanuk’s property.

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My own words for it are ‘ostentatious’ and ‘grandiloquent’.

Also, anyone else here expect Sarah Palin to make a stupid remark about the bears in the private zoo?

231 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:13:05am

BEN U DUMB FUCK
If they weren’t getting abortions then you would be saying HURR HURR!!!!! BLAHS IS HAVIN ALL TEL BABIES SO THEY CAN GET ALL TEH WELFARES!!!!1!!!!!!

232 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:14:49am

re: #229 sattv4u2

0:51 in

Looks like he has his own brand(s) of booze

Wonder if you can get a bottle in the gift shop!!!
/

I noticed that. Maybe brandy?

233 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:16:57am

re: #228 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

Here is some raw video footage inside Yanuk’s property.

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I like the giant boat in the lake. Something a Roman emperor would do.

234 ObserverArt  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:16:58am

re: #230 Dark_Falcon

My own words for it are ‘ostentatious’ and ‘grandiloquent’.

Also, anyone else here expect Sarah Palin to make a stupid remark about the bears in the private zoo?

I know one thing…Sarah Palin makes only stupid statements.

Isn’t it amazing how that can be a money-maker?

Professional Ditz.

235 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:19:38am

I set up a facebook account under my real name many years ago and never used it. Today I wake up to a friend request from a girlfriend from 25 years ago. I don’t know what it is about me but I have very little interest revisiting old relationships. I have fond memories but no interest in catching up on old times.

236 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:19:41am

re: #233 Killgore Trout

I like the giant boat in the lake. Something a Roman emperor would do.

Something that Nero actually did for the lake of his “Golden Palace”.

237 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:21:24am

re: #235 Killgore Trout

I set up a facebook account under my real name many years ago and never used it. Today I wake up to a friend request from a girlfriend from 25 years ago. I don’t know what it is about me but I have very little interest revisiting old relationships. I have fond memories but no interest in catching up on old times.

So ,,,,, you’re saying you don’t want to see your 24 year old son!?!?!?!?!

///

238 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:24:07am

It’s early, but I’ve entered the “sit down with a beer” phase of the rib grillin’.

239 dell*nix  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:24:40am

Nikita in Berlin 1957

flickr.com

240 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:25:00am

re: #225 Dark_Falcon

No, not so much. Keeping any political base ‘fired up’ requires attacking one’s opponents. “COOPERATION AND MODERATION!!” is not a cry that will fill the town square.

Moreover, about 97% of people* at least occasionally have a powerful need to feel self-righteous and superior. Some seek this fulfillment of this need through politics and the party leaders’ attacks on opponents help fulfill it.

*: The 97% is based on my own experience. YMMV

That’s fine in bits and pieces. Problem being is that this is all your party is anymore.

241 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:26:00am

re: #237 sattv4u2

So ,,,,, you’re saying you don’t want to see your 24 year old son!?!?!?!?!

///

And a past due child support bill!

242 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:26:30am

re: #239 dell*nix

Nikita in Berlin 1957

flickr.com

“Berlin is the testicle of the West. When I want the West to scream, I squeeze on Berlin.”
—Nikita Khrushchev

243 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:26:45am

re: #228 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

Here is some raw video footage inside Yanuk’s property.

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You would think after the extensive footage of Saddam’s Palace and GQKadaffi’s extravagances, these guys would learn … .

It doesn’t end well.

244 ObserverArt  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:27:30am

re: #238 Decatur Deb

It’s early, but I’ve entered the “sit down with a beer” phase of the rib grillin’.

I take it the sit down with a beer while rib grillin’ automatically trumps the before noon rule?

I like it. If need be, those Ribs could be for breakfast, so the beer could be cracked open before 7 am.

245 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:29:02am

re: #244 ObserverArt

I take it the sit down with a beer while rib grillin’ automatically trumps the before noon rule?

I like it. If need be, those Ribs could be for breakfast, so the beer could be cracked open before 7 am.

Uh Huh. The beerclutch is just to keep your mitts off the grill lid.
“If you’re lookin’, you ain’t cookin’.

246 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:30:06am

re: #243 FemNaziBitch

You would think after the extensive footage of Saddam’s Palace and GQKadaffi’s extravagances, these guys would learn … .

It doesn’t end well.

It’s hard to believe he was able to keep that place built and hidden from the public for so long being so close to the city.

247 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:35:01am

re: #212 Feline Fearless Leader

Krushchev had a pretty low bar to clear in order to be considered “better” than his predecessors and alternates.

An anecdote from his famous Party Congress Speech in which he denounced Stalin:

While he was listing Stalin’s excesses and atrocities, somebody passed up a note reading “And where were you when this was going on?”

Khruschev asked “Who wrote this note?”

Complete silence in the hall.

To which he replied, “That’s exactly where I was!”

248 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:36:37am

IOW, Russian sympathizers?

249 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:37:07am

re: #237 sattv4u2

So ,,,,, you’re saying you don’t want to see your 24 year old son!?!?!?!?!

///

Yikes!

250 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:37:53am

re: #249 Killgore Trout

Yikes!

Odd name for a kid

Yikes Trout!

251 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:38:57am

re: #250 sattv4u2

Odd name for a kid

Yikes Trout!

SMACK!

252 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:39:51am
253 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:40:07am

re: #250 sattv4u2

Odd name for a kid

Yikes Trout!

Yikes Jr.
It’s a family name

254 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:42:01am

re: #253 Killgore Trout

Yikes Jr.
It’s a family name

I think I know your cousins, the E-Gads

255 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:42:36am

re: #252 NJDhockeyfan

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Good Riddance to Communist Rubbish.

256 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:43:31am

Judge orders guns returned to blind FL man who ‘stood his ground’ against drinking buddy

Rogers, who was blinded in a work-related accident in 2001, has an extensive history of violence. In 2010, following another night of drinking, Rogers shot at his cousin and roommate, Michael Rogers, 15 times with a handgun. Michael Rogers was not shot, and John Rogers eventually plead no contest to one count of unlawfully displaying a firearm, for which he was placed on probation.

That probation was revoked when, in 2011, he punched a woman, which led to him spending 71 days in jail on domestic violence charges.

Despite this history, Rogers convinced the man who granted his “Stand Your Ground” motion, Judge Galluzzo, that the state had no right to keep his confiscated weapons.

257 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:44:14am

Is this a different house?

258 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:45:17am

re: #249 Killgore Trout

re: #254 sattv4u2

I think I know your cousins, the E-Gads

And the hillbilly ones

The Aw-Shucks’s

259 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:48:08am

I so want this t-shirt:

260 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:48:34am

261 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:48:48am

re: #256 Varek Raith

Judge orders guns returned to blind FL man who ‘stood his ground’ against drinking buddy

I thought that domestic violence convictions barred a person from owning firearms.

262 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:48:50am

re: #257 NJDhockeyfan

Is this a different house?

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Yes, it is. The other one is the “presidential” palace.

263 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:50:23am

re: #261 Dark_Falcon

I thought that domestic violence convictions barred a person from owning firearms.

As did I, but it’s Florida.
Youtube Video

264 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:50:38am

re: #260 FemNaziBitch

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One of those “I don’t know and I don’t care” types?

265 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:51:30am

re: #260 FemNaziBitch

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Uterus or not, I think that connected earring-nose chain is a safety hazard.

266 Political Atheist  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:52:33am

Al Jazeera America is hitting hard on the Jeff Bezos purchase of the Washington Post and it’s non disclosure of Amazons ties to the CIA via a cloud data system he has for them. Slightly sensationalized it seems but interesting to see.

267 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:53:02am

re: #265 Killgore Trout

Uterus or not, I think that connected earring-nose chain is a safety hazard.

Not sure about that
But I DO know I wouldn’t want to be behind her going through airport screening/ metal detectors!!

268 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:54:18am
269 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:55:54am

All I know is that in a normal world, shooting at someone 15 times should get you more than probation.

270 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:56:12am

re: #268 NJDhockeyfan

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What

No Putin Feats Of Strength and Airing of Grievances ???

271 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:56:41am

re: #261 Dark_Falcon

I thought that domestic violence convictions barred a person from owning firearms.

Haven’t you been paying attention. Remember?: “We don’t need more gun laws, we need to enforce the ones already on the books.”

The NRA has been right all along. Gun laws are not enforced and women and children suffer for it.

It’s actually a topic SCOTUS reviewed last month.

272 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 8:59:35am
By reading the law to cover a sub-set of domestic violence convictions, the Sixth Circuit undermined the Congressional intent to take a “zero tolerance” approach to guns and convicted domestic abusers. More importantly, the Sixth Circuit failed to acknowledge that the term “domestic violence” includes a range of behaviors that include verbal, sexual, and psychological abuse in addition to violent physical attacks.

Unlike the Sixth Circuit, three other Circuits recognized that Congress wanted to prohibit gun ownership by all domestic abusers convicted of a misdemeanor. Now the Supreme Court will resolve the circuit split.

It is crucial that the Court reach the correct decision.
273 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:02:14am

In looking around, there’s quite a bit of butthurt in both Wingnuttia and Moonbatistan over the situation in Ukraine.

So much for freedom.

274 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:02:28am

re: #271 FemNaziBitch

Haven’t you been paying attention. Remember?: “We don’t need more gun laws, we need to enforce the ones already on the books.”

The NRA has been right all along. Gun laws are not enforced and women and children suffer for it.

It’s actually a topic SCOTUS reviewed last month.

Gee, I wonder which side the NRA and the rest of the gun lobby will come down on.
Sigh.

275 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:02:28am

re: #269 Varek Raith

All I know is that in a normal world, shooting at someone 15 times should get you more than probation.

A lot of places, missing someone 15 times would get you dead.

(Billboards all up and down I95 in Florida used to outline harsh penalties for crimes involving firing a gun. Hard to read the fineprint at 65 MPH.)

276 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:02:44am

re: #273 Dr Lizardo

In looking around, there’s quite a bit of butthurt in both Wingnuttia and Moonbatistan over the situation in Ukraine.

So much for freedom.

Yeah, I noticed that too.

277 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:04:34am
After the Supreme Court listens to the McCullen case, it will hear arguments in United States v. Castleman, which considers the scope of a 1996 federal law that bars anyone convicted of a “misdemeanor crime of domestic violence” from possessing a firearm.

At issue is whether the federal law applies to state domestic violence laws that don’t require violent physical force as an element of the offense — in other words, whether it could be applied to someone who was technically charged with “domestic violence” but didn’t necessarily commit a violent act.

“There is no doubt about what Congress meant to accomplish,” Castleman’s side argues in its brief before the court. Its “goal was to keep firearms from people who ‘engage in serious spousal or child abuse.’ Congress did not intend to impose a lifetime firearms ban on people who engage in ‘offensive touching,’ or cause ‘a paper cut or a stubbed toe.’”

The above is the link provided by the NRA website. Notice the lumping together of abortion with a challenge to gun rights.

278 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:06:52am

re: #271 FemNaziBitch

Haven’t you been paying attention. Remember?: “We don’t need more gun laws, we need to enforce the ones already on the books.”

The NRA has been right all along. Gun laws are not enforced and women and children suffer for it.

It’s actually a topic SCOTUS reviewed last month.

Case noted, but have you got a better source article? That one was written by someone from Michael Bloomberg’s dishonest anti-gun group.

279 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:07:36am

Considering that many of the people I talk with do not realize that simply pointing the business end of a firearm at someone and threatening them constitutes a firearm law violation —one can imagine the “non direct force” situations in a domestic violence situation that could fall under the interpretation Castleman would like.

One has to remember that DV victims are conditioned (brainwashed) by the predator —little direct force is necessary to control them.

280 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:09:41am

re: #277 FemNaziBitch

The above is the link provided by the NRA website. Notice the lumping together of abortion with a challenge to gun rights.

The NRA linked to an article from CBS news whose headline reads “Supreme Court to consider abortion, gun cases”. The NRA did not lump anything together, they just maintained the headline.

I would ask you to please delete the last sentence of your post.

281 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:09:48am

re: #278 Dark_Falcon

Case noted, but have you got a better source article? That one was written by someone from Michael Bloomberg’s dishonest anti-gun group.

Do your own research DF. It’s rather clear from any point of view that this is a bullshit case. I would hope that anyone who supports the 2nd amendment would be adamant in this situation. A firearm is not to be used in a DV situation at all. I don’t care if it is a threat with an unloaded weapon or a incident that ends up causing bodily harm.

A responsible firearm owner would not behave this way and the law and traditions of firearm ownership are clear on this.

The gun is always loaded
Always point the gun in a safe direction
THE GUN IS ALWAYS LOADED.

282 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:10:48am

One of my daughters was invited by her teacher to attend a workshop on engineering at Tennessee Tech yesterday called Engineering A Future. The teachers at her school picked out a few of the smart students to invite and my daughter is the only one who showed up. It was put on by Tenn Tech and is aimed at getting female students more interested in science and engineering. It works, she wanted to be a teacher until yesterday, now she wants to be an engineer!

283 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:11:08am

re: #280 Dark_Falcon

The NRA linked to an article from CBS news whose headline reads “Supreme Court to consider abortion, gun cases”. The NRA did not lump anything together, they just maintained the headline.

I would ask you to please delete the last sentence of your post.

I will not, they clearly chose that article.

Stop being a Fox News Drone.

284 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:13:20am

re: #179 Chrysicat

Everything I read about him suggests that he was the only Gen Sec until Gorby who actually did it out of a sense of moral requirement, though. The USSR was freeer under Krushchev than his successors, and I think everyone has to agree that deStalinization was both a good thing and not particularly likely to have come from any of the other leaders surrounding Stalin. In particular, if Beria had succeeded, Stalinism would have looked good in hindsight…

So yeah, blame his successors for undoing the good he did, but Krushchev himself was probably the closest thing to a Third Way-ist that you would ever have seen in the mid-20th century…

…And something tells me I just earned my first cumulative downdings in a year…

Had you posted that here a few years ago? Perhaps. But things like this have always been more nuanced here than elsewhere.

285 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:13:51am

re: #283 FemNaziBitch

I’m not a FNC drone. I don’t watch that channel and I very rarely even visit their website.

286 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:14:39am

re: #282 NJDhockeyfan

One of my daughters was invited by her teacher to attend a workshop on engineering at Tennessee Tech yesterday called Engineering A Future. The teachers at her school picked out a few of the smart students to invite and my daughter is the only one who showed up. It was put on by Tenn Tech and is aimed at getting female students more interested in science and engineering. It works, she wanted to be a teacher until yesterday, now she wants to be an engineer!

If she gets good enough, she can teach engineering. Win-win.

287 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:17:22am

re: #286 Decatur Deb

If she gets good enough, she can teach engineering. Win-win.

I told her that. I’m hoping for her eventually getting an engineering job at NASA who was there at the class yesterday. Planning a career at age 11 is pretty cool.

288 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:17:33am

re: #281 FemNaziBitch

Do your own research DF. It’s rather clear from any point of view that this is a bullshit case. I would hope that anyone who supports the 2nd amendment would be adamant in this situation. A firearm is not to be used in a DV situation at all. I don’t care if it is a threat with an unloaded weapon or a incident that ends up causing bodily harm.

A responsible firearm owner would not behave this way and the law and traditions of firearm ownership are clear on this.

The gun is always loaded
Always point the gun in a safe direction
THE GUN IS ALWAYS LOADED.

I do agree its a poor case. The Supreme Court ius only taking it because the 6th Circuit goofed up and now they have to resolve the split between circuits.

289 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:18:48am

Firefox is beginning to annoy me like IE did.
:/

290 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:20:09am

re: #287 NJDhockeyfan

I told her that. I’m hoping for her eventually getting an engineering job at NASA who was there at the class yesterday. Planning a career at age 11 is pretty cool.

Did that. Changed careers 4 times before I graduated and got a job.

292 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:21:40am

re: #210 Dark_Falcon

Krushchev also ordered the Hungarian revolt of 1956 crushed, threatened to ‘bury’ the west, approved of the building of the Berlin Wall, and increased support of communist insurgents in several nations.

He had his good points, but IMO the bad is still sufficient to damn him in my eyes.

Krushchev was no innocent - you couldn’t be and survive under Stalin. Likewise, the Hungarian revolt was seen as an issue of survival for Moscow and if Krushchev hadn’t crushed it he’d have ended up dead in the basement of the Lubyanka prison. That said, he was still the one who found a way to back down in 1962 even though he knew it would be, eventually, the end of his time in power.

6 of one, half a dozen of the other …

293 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:22:13am
294 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:23:42am

re: #293 NJDhockeyfan

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Yes, rolls are good. Especially with butter.
:P

295 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:23:51am

re: #293 NJDhockeyfan

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No spelling bee semi-finalists there.

296 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:24:55am

re: #295 Decatur Deb

You sir is correcte.

297 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:26:15am

re: #290 Decatur Deb

Did that. Changed careers 4 times before I graduated and got a job.

From high school teacher to engineer is a big step so far. Who knows, she may end up becoming an astronaut in the end.

298 Targetpractice  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:26:54am

re: #273 Dr Lizardo

In looking around, there’s quite a bit of butthurt in both Wingnuttia and Moonbatistan over the situation in Ukraine.

So much for freedom.

The Wingnuts are bummed out? I thought they weren’t even paying attention.

299 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:27:06am

re: #292 William Barnett-Lewis

Krushchev was no innocent - you couldn’t be and survive under Stalin. Likewise, the Hungarian revolt was seen as an issue of survival for Moscow and if Krushchev hadn’t crushed it he’d have ended up dead in the basement of the Lubyanka prison. That said, he was still the one who found a way to back down in 1962 even though he knew it would be, eventually, the end of his time in power.

6 of one, half a dozen of the other …

More like ‘4 good, 8 bad’ in Krushchev’s case.

300 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:27:09am

re: #297 NJDhockeyfan

From high school teacher to engineer is a big step so far. Who knows, she may end up becoming an astronaut in the end.

She might make something we have no name for.

301 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:32:12am

re: #252 NJDhockeyfan

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302 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:33:45am

re: #301 Gus

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Image: Lenin.jpg

303 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:34:44am

re: #302 Varek Raith

Image: Lenin.jpg

Rawr! Zombie Lenin.

304 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:35:18am

Hmm…
Fixed!

305 Targetpractice  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:35:54am

I’m actually seeing wingnuts now try to co-opt the revolution in Ukraine by pointing to the Lenin statutes being torn down and saying “See! They’re throwing out the socialists!” Oy.

306 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:36:07am

Posting that caused FF to crash.
Heh.

307 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:36:11am

re: #298 Targetpractice

The Wingnuts are bummed out? I thought they weren’t even paying attention.

A lot of the Wingnuts have a (disturbing) crush on Putin, so they’re watching events.

308 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:36:22am
309 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:37:13am

Byyyyyyyyyyyyyy Mennen Lenin.

310 Chrysicat  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:37:14am

re: #295 Decatur Deb

No spelling bee semi-finalists there.

Stone and Sheila have no excuse, but I’m guessing ‘kayr’ is a native Spanish speaker, and that his ESL wasn’t overly exhaustive. Best guess is he’s an actual Venezuelan student. I’d let him off like I’d expect to be let off if I tried to post into a German-language tweethread.

311 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:38:00am

re: #310 Chrysicat

Ich bin ein Berliner!

312 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:38:48am

re: #311 Varek Raith

Ich bin ein Berliner!

You have powdered sugar on your tie.

313 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:39:18am

re: #308 Gus

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Remind them of Lenin’s “Hanging Order”.

Comrades! The insurrection of five kulak districts should be pitilessly suppressed. The interests of the whole revolution require this because ‘the last decisive battle’ with the kulaks is now under way everywhere. An example must be demonstrated.

1. Hang (and make sure that the hanging takes place in full view of the people) no fewer than one hundred known landlords, rich men, bloodsuckers.

2. Publish their names.

3. Seize all their grain from them.

4. Designate hostages in accordance with yesterday’s telegram.

Do it in such a fashion that for hundreds of kilometres around the people might see, tremble, know, shout: “they are strangling, and will strangle to death, the bloodsucking kulaks”.

Telegraph receipt and implementation.

Yours, Lenin.

Find some truly hard people.

Sounds like a nice chap.

O_o

314 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:39:29am

re: #312 Decatur Deb

You have powdered sugar on your tie.

Was ist das?

315 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:40:12am

4 years of German and I barley remember a thing.
Sigh.

316 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:40:49am

re: #313 Dr Lizardo

Remind them of Lenin’s “Hanging Order”.

Sounds like a nice chap.

O_o

There’s another order that instruct the Bolsheviks to kill murder the family of anyone caught harboring said people.

317 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:41:35am

re: #315 Varek Raith

4 years of German and I barley remember a thing.
Sigh.

NEINE!

318 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:41:50am

re: #310 Chrysicat

Stone and Sheila have no excuse, but I’m guessing ‘kayr’ is a native Spanish speaker, and that his ESL wasn’t overly exhaustive. Best guess is he’s an actual Venezuelan student. I’d let him off like I’d expect to be let off if I tried to post into a German-language tweethread.

When you’re chatting with Italians, never confuse “rompo-coglione” for “rompo-coniglie” (bunny-basher/ballbreaker).

319 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:42:23am
320 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:42:38am

Journalists, investigators pore through trove of Mezhyhirya documents Yanukovych left behind

kyivpost.com

If this is a NC company, or even a person’s name, there isn’t anything on it by googling, not even in the NC Secy of State office.

“Yanukovych, who rarely gave interviews or held press conferences, was very interested in monitoring what was written about him. His AVK company evidently paid Hr 56 million on Dec. 10, 2010 to NC Bright, a company that monitored media coverage. Media monitors, however, suspect that the transaction also involved money laundering.”

321 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:43:24am

re: #317 FemNaziBitch

NEINE!

Ja, ich bin kaputt.

322 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:43:56am

re: #311 Varek Raith

Ich bin ein Berliner!

Ich bin ein eye liner!

323 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:45:45am

re: #322 Gus

Ich bin ein eye liner!

That explains a lot.
:P

324 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:46:07am
325 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:47:26am

That Tweet go Daniel Wright of Firebakelake all discombobulated and coming up with excuses and “alternate theories” about what’s going on down there.

326 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:48:31am

re: #325 Gus

That Tweet go Daniel Wright of Firebakelake all discombobulated and coming up with excuses and “alternate theories” about what’s going on down there.

Ah, the firebaggers.
Silly nutters.

327 jaunte  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:48:42am

re: #324 Gus

Government Response
The Maduro government’s immediate response to the violence on February 12 was to blame López and other opposition leaders. Vice President Elías Jaua declared that López was the “intellectual author” of the killings, and a judge promptly ordered that López be detained. The government has not made public any credible evidence to substantiate these allegations. hrw.org

328 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:49:21am

re: #327 jaunte

OMG. Stalinesque rhetoric.

329 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:49:30am

330 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:49:58am

O_o

331 jaunte  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:50:16am

re: #328 Gus

Millions of unarmed fascists in the streets.

332 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:50:38am

Communist Christmas

Youtube Video

333 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:51:44am

Rocket Dog

Youtube Video

334 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:52:27am

Looks like out Taliban outreach isn’t going well.
Taliban calls off talks over Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl

Not many details but we finally have the more info on the Gitmo prisoners offered in exchange….

Mohammad Fazl, whom Human Rights Watch says could be prosecuted for war crimes for presiding over the mass killing of Shiite Muslims in Afghanistan in 2000 and 2001 as the Taliban sought to consolidate their control over the country.
Abdul Haq Wasiq, who served as the Taliban deputy minister of intelligence and was in direct contact with supreme leader Mullah Omar as well as other senior Taliban figures, according to military documents. Under Wasiq, there were widespread accounts of killings, torture and mistreatment.
Mullah Norullah Nori, who was a senior Taliban commander in the northern city of Mazar-e-Sharif when the Taliban fought U.S. forces in late 2001. He previously served as a Taliban governor in two northern provinces, where he has been accused of ordering the massacre of thousands of Shiites.
Khairullah Khairkhwa, who served in various Taliban positions including interior minister and as a military commander and had direct ties to Mullah Omar and Osama bin Laden, according to U.S. military documents. His U.S. lawyers have argued that his affiliation with the Taliban was a matter of circumstance, rather than ideology, and that he had backed away from them by the time of his capture. His lawyers also have argued that he was merely a civil servant and had no military role, though a judge said there was enough evidence to justify holding him at Guantanamo. His lawyers have appealed.
Mohammed Nabi, who served as chief of security for the Taliban in Qalat, Afghanistan, and later worked as a radio operator for the Taliban’s communications office in Kabul and as an office manager in the border department, according to U.S. military documents. In the spring of 2002, he told interrogators that he received about $500 from a CIA operative as part of the unsuccessful effort to track down Mullah Omar. When that didn’t pan out, he says he ended up helping the agency locate al-Qaida members.

335 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:52:29am

re: #324 Gus

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re: #324 Gus

Venezuela government using classic tactics of an authoritarian regime, jailing opponents, muzzling media bit.ly
3:11 PM - 21 Feb 2014

After workers at the Pullman Palace Car Company organized a wildcat strike over pay cuts in the summer of 1894, Debs signed many into the ARU. He called a boycott of the ARU against handling trains with Pullman cars, in what became the nationwide Pullman Strike, affecting most lines west of Detroit, and more than 250,000 workers in 27 states. To keep the mail running, President Grover Cleveland used the United States Army to break the strike. As a leader of the ARU, Debs was convicted of federal charges for defying a court injunction against the strike and served six months in prison.

***

In 1974, Goldstein and Buckley were charged with 12 counts of obscenity in a federal court in Kansas. The case dragged on for three years through two trials and was finally settled when Goldstein agreed to pay a $30,000 fine.[3]

336 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:52:47am

Youtube Video

337 Targetpractice  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:52:57am

re: #329 NJDhockeyfan

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MY EYES!!!

338 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:52:59am

I win. :P

339 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:53:34am

re: #335 Decatur Deb

After workers at the Pullman Palace Car Company organized a wildcat strike over pay cuts in the summer of 1894, Debs signed many into the ARU. He called a boycott of the ARU against handling trains with Pullman cars, in what became the nationwide Pullman Strike, affecting most lines west of Detroit, and more than 250,000 workers in 27 states. To keep the mail running, President Grover Cleveland used the United States Army to break the strike. As a leader of the ARU, Debs was convicted of federal charges for defying a court injunction against the strike and served six months in prison.

***

In 1974, Goldstein and Buckley were charged with 12 counts of obscenity in a federal court in Kansas. The case dragged on for three years through two trials and was finally settled when Goldstein agreed to pay a $30,000 fine.[3]

Yep. Just like Lenin. //

340 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:55:07am

re: #339 Gus

Yep. Just like Lenin. //

MBF wakes, stretches, looks about for easy prey.

341 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:56:02am

re: #340 Decatur Deb

MBF wakes, stretches, looks about for easy prey.

Yep. Actually I was being sarcastic. Lenin wins the Oscar for a supporting role in crimes against humanity.

342 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:56:50am

re: #301 Gus

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You know, someone might be able to make some money taking the scrap from some of those Lenin statues and turning the bronze into AR-15 components. It would give a certain kind of gun nut a cheap thrill and the polished bronze would let them feel they had a touch of class.

Frankly, I’d prefer to use some of that bronze for interior rails and decorative fittings. Using bronze from a Lenin statue to make furnishings for the homes of the middle and upper classes seems to me the closest one could safely come to pissing on Lenin’s tomb.

343 chadu  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:56:51am

re: #189 Chrysicat

Have I ever mentioned how much I really doubt Paul’s right to speak for Christ, and that he’s the only person to even suggest that homosexuality isn’t covered under the New Covenant just the way food or mixed fabric is?

Badda-bing.

344 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:57:30am

re: #338 Varek Raith

I win. :P

No way!

Youtube Video

345 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:57:34am

re: #341 Gus

Yep. Actually I was being sarcastic. Lenin wins the Oscar for a supporting role in crimes against humanity.

We need a leftist version of “Godwin”. Recommending “Kerensky”.

346 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:59:02am

Hermantown senior living home accused of withholding facts in rape case

According to court testimony, Marilyn Moore, clinical services director at the home, asked Flesvig, “Did she tell you that this was consensual? Did she tell you that she flirts with this boy mercilessly?”

In a separate conversation with Mary Salisbury, a sexual assault advocate, Moore said she thought the elderly woman “was making it up,” and referred to the woman as a “flirt.”

80 89 yo woman raped by 30 yo nursing home employee —he just couldn’t help himself.

also paged

347 chadu  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 9:59:25am

re: #207 Feline Fearless Leader

The party with the Putin-love faction is now saying Obama needs to confront Putin more?
O_o

Consistency, shmonsistency, as long as I’m rich we impeach Obama.

348 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:00:08am

re: #345 Decatur Deb

We need a leftist version of “Godwin”. Recommending “Kerensky”.

I object for Battletech reasons. That name is an important one in the game, and it’d make things awkward for me to have it used in your proposed context.

349 jaunte  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:00:31am

re: #342 Dark_Falcon

Recycling trivia:
The bronze used in the Victoria Cross decoration comes from two Chinese cannon captured from the Russians at Sebastopol in the Crimean War.

351 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:01:30am

Monty Python - Execution in Russia

Youtube Video

“It is old Lenin number.”

352 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:02:20am

re: #346 FemNaziBitch

Hermantown senior living home accused of withholding facts in rape case

80 89 yo woman raped by 30 yo nursing home employee —he just couldn’t help himself.

also paged

GGT, I think this one calls for your Albright quote image.

353 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:03:51am

re: #334 Killgore Trout

They all seem nice. I’m sure once released they’ll all go back home and open bakeries,,, or day care centers,,,,, or become shepherds

354 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:05:51am

re: #352 Dark_Falcon

GGT, I think this one calls for your Albright quote image.

It’s beyond that.

I can’t think of any image that is a good response to blatant stupidity.

help —anyone?

355 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:06:45am

Youtube Video

356 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:09:09am

re: #353 sattv4u2

They all seem nice. I’m sure once released they’ll all go back home and open bakeries,,, or day care centers,,,,, or become shepherds

Mullah Omar will be happy to have his boys back.

357 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:10:12am
358 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:10:56am

re: #335 Decatur Deb

After workers at the Pullman Palace Car Company organized a wildcat strike over pay cuts in the summer of 1894, Debs signed many into the ARU. He called a boycott of the ARU against handling trains with Pullman cars, in what became the nationwide Pullman Strike, affecting most lines west of Detroit, and more than 250,000 workers in 27 states. To keep the mail running, President Grover Cleveland used the United States Army to break the strike. As a leader of the ARU, Debs was convicted of federal charges for defying a court injunction against the strike and served six months in prison.

***

In 1974, Goldstein and Buckley were charged with 12 counts of obscenity in a federal court in Kansas. The case dragged on for three years through two trials and was finally settled when Goldstein agreed to pay a $30,000 fine.[3]

Al Goldstein was an abuser, and major destructive asshole, in many ways.

Porn pioneer Al Goldstein, who went from millionaire to homeless, dies at age 77

lifesitenews.com

There was not much in the way of redeeming qualities to the man, and many would prefer to forget him than lionize him.

359 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:11:51am

Scott Walker Falls Apart When Asked About Incriminating Emails On Fox News

360 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:12:18am

re: #356 Killgore Trout

Mullah Omar will be happy to have his boys back.

“We’re putting the band back together”

Youtube Video

The Blues One Eyed Sheik Brothers

361 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:12:32am

“The state is an instrument for coercion … We want to organize violence in the name of the interests of the workers.” Vladimir Lenin (1917)

362 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:15:01am

Cheka - Lenin’s Political Police

Persecution of deserters

It is believed that there were more than three million deserters from the Red Army in 1919 and 1920. Approximately 500,000 deserters were arrested in 1919 and close to 800,000 in 1920, by troops of the ‘Special Punitive Department’ of the Cheka, created to punish desertions.[5][20] These troops were used to forcibly repatriate deserters, taking and shooting hostages to force compliance or to set an example. Throughout the course of the civil war, several thousand deserters were shot - a number comparable to that of belligerents during World War I.

In September 1918, according to The Black Book of Communism, in only twelve provinces of Russia, 48,735 deserters and 7,325 “bandits” were arrested, 1,826 were killed and 2,230 were executed. The exact identity of these individuals is confused by the fact that the Soviet Bolshevik government used the term ‘bandit’ to cover ordinary criminals as well as armed and unarmed political opponents, such as the anarchists.
Number of victims

Estimates on Cheka executions vary widely. The lowest figures (disputed below) are provided by Dzerzhinsky’s lieutenant Martyn Latsis, limited to RSFSR over the period 1918-1920:

For the period 1918 - July 1919, covering only twenty provinces of central Russia:

In 1918: 6,300; in 1919 (up to July): 2,089; Total: 8,389

For the whole period 1918-19:

In 1918: 6,185; in 1919: 3,456; Total: 9,641

For the whole period 1918-20:

In January-June 1918: 22; in July-December 1918: more than 6,000; in 1918-20: 12,733.

Experts generally agree these semi-official figures are vastly understated.[21] Pioneering historian of the Red Terror Sergei Melgunov claims that this was done deliberately in an attempt to demonstrate the government’s humanity. For example, he refutes the claim made by Latsis that only 22 executions were carried out in the first six months of the Cheka’s existence by providing evidence that the true number was 884 executions.[22] W. H. Chamberlin claims, “It is simply impossible to believe that the Cheka only put to death 12,733 people in all of Russia up to the end of the civil war.”[23] Donald Rayfield concurs, noting that, “Plausible evidence reveals that the actual numbers … vastly exceeded the official figures.”[24] Chamberlin provides the “reasonable and probably moderate” estimate of 50,000,[23] while others provide estimates ranging up to 500,000.[25][26] Several scholars put the number of executions at about 250,000.[27][28] Some believe it is possible more people were murdered by the Cheka than died in battle.[29]

Lenin himself seemed unfazed by the killings. On 12 January 1920, while addressing trade union leaders, he said: “We did not hesitate to shoot thousands of people, and we shall not hesitate, and we shall save the country.”[30]. On 14 May 1921, the Politburo, chaired by Lenin, passed a motion “broadening the rights of the [Cheka] in relation to the use of the [death penalty].”[31]

363 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:15:13am

re: #354 FemNaziBitch

It’s beyond that.

I can’t think of any image that is a good response to blatant stupidity.

help —anyone?

How about this one:

i.chzbgr.com

364 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:15:19am

re: #358 Justanotherhuman

The test of freedom of speech is when it is extended beyond the ‘nice’ people.

365 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:15:21am

re: #361 Gus

“The state is an instrument for coercion … We want to organize violence in the name of the interests of the workers.” Vladimir Lenin (1917)

If you’ve ever read Sayyid Qutb and his work “Milestones” - the blueprint for most of the Islamic radical groups, the similarities are uncanny. Qutb basically substituted “Allah” for “Marx” and “Islamic revival” for “dictatorship of the proletariat”.

366 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:15:42am
The Cheka is reported to have practiced torture. Depending on Cheka committees in various cities, the methods included:[2] being skinned alive, scalped, “crowned” with barbed wire, impaled, crucified, hanged, stoned to death, tied to planks and pushed slowly into furnaces or tanks of boiling water,[2] or rolled around naked in internally nail-studded barrels. Chekists reportedly poured water on naked prisoners in the winter-bound streets until they became living ice statues. Others reportedly beheaded their victims by twisting their necks until their heads could be torn off. The Chinese Cheka detachments stationed in Kiev reportedly would attach an iron tube to the torso of a bound victim and insert a rat in the tube closed off with wire netting, while the tube was held over a flame until the rat began gnawing through the victim’s guts in an effort to escape.[2] Anton Denikin’s investigation discovered corpses whose lungs, throats, and mouths had been packed with earth.[2][32]

Women and children were also victims of Cheka terror. Women would sometimes be tortured and raped before being shot. Children between the ages of 8 and 13 were imprisoned and occasionally executed.[33]

All of these atrocities were published on numerous occasions in Pravda and Izvestiya: January 26, 1919 Izvestiya #18 articale Is it really a medieval imprisonment? («Неужели средневековый застенок?»); February 22, 1919 Pravda #12 publishes details of the Vladimir Cheka’s tortures, September 21, 1922 Socialist Herald publishes details of series of tortures conducted by the Stavropol Cheka (hot basement, cold basement, skull measuring etc.).

The Chekists were also supplemented by the militarized Units of Special Purpose (the Party’s Spetsnaz or Russian: ЧОН).

Cheka was actively and openly utilizing kidnapping methods.[34][35] With kidnapping methods Cheka was able to extinguish numerous cases of discontent especially among the rural population. Among the notorious ones was the Tambov rebellion.

Villages were bombarded to complete annihilation like in the case of Tretyaki, Novokhopersk uyezd, Voronezh Governorate.[citation needed]

As a result of this relentless violence more than a few Chekists ended up with psychopathic disorders, which Nikolai Bukharin said were “an occupational hazard of the Chekist profession.” Many hardened themselves to the executions by heavy drinking and drug use. Some developed a gangster-like slang for the verb to kill in an attempt to distance themselves from the killings, such as ‘shooting partridges’, of ‘sealing’ a victim, or giving him a natsokal (onomatopoeia of the trigger action).[36]

On November 30, 1992, by the initiative of the President of the Russian Federation the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation recognized the Red Terror as unlawful, which in turn led to suspension of the Communist Party of the RSFSR.

367 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:16:06am
368 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:16:33am

re: #363 Dark_Falcon

How about this one:

i.chzbgr.com

I like it, but too cute for this situation.

369 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:17:09am

Ah well

Nap time (heading to work in several hours)

Toodles for now

370 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:17:13am
371 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:19:41am


“The public and the press misunderstand the character and tasks of our Commission. We stand for organized terror — this should be frankly stated — dzerzhinskyfbeing absolutely indispensable in current revolutionary conditions.”

372 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:20:38am

“Under all conditions well-organized violence seems to him the shortest distance between two points.” - Leon Trotsky

373 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:20:57am

re: #368 FemNaziBitch

I like it, but too cute for this situation.

I was going to suggest this one:

Image: UltimateFail.jpg

But it’s a clear Godwin.

374 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:21:07am

“The next world war will result in the disappearance from the face of the earth not only of reactionary classes and dynasties, but also of entire reactionary peoples. And that, too, is a step forward.” - Engels

375 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:21:44am

And so on.

376 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:22:06am

re: #364 Decatur Deb

The test of freedom of speech is when it is extended beyond the ‘nice’ people.

True, but that doesn’t change my opinion of them in the least as human beings.

377 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:23:15am

re: #373 Dark_Falcon

I was going to suggest this one:

Image: UltimateFail.jpg

But it’s a clear Godwin.

I think something more like a facepalm or someone smashing something with a mallet. The frustration that only comes from trying to communicate with the willfully ignorant.

Thanks for your efforts!

378 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:23:51am

re: #367 FemNaziBitch

You can have a moral impact on politics without religion

I believe that religion can serve as a basis for moral choices and personal ethics.

But the second you start conflating legislation with (your interpretation of your choice of) Holy Scripture, our Constitution has put up a firewall.

379 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:26:29am

cat in the box in the snow

380 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:27:38am
381 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:30:10am
382 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:31:54am

re: #375 Gus

How is it possible to start the task of reviving Islam? It is necessary that there should be a vanguard which sets out … and keeps walking on the path, marching through the vast ocean of Jahiliyyah (pagan ignorance) which has encompassed the entire world.

The Islamic society is born out of a [vanguard] movement … the origin of this movement [is the faith of] a single individual … As soon as this single individual believes in this faith, the Islamic community comes into existence (potentially). When the number of Believers reaches three, then this faith tells them, `Now you are a community, a distinct Islamic community, distinct from that Jahili society …
These three individuals increase to ten, the ten to a hundred, the hundred to a thousand, and the thousand increase to twelve thousand.

…the exploitation of individuals and nations due to greed for wealth and imperialism under the capitalist systems are but a corollary of rebellion against God’s authority. Look at capitalism with its monopolies, its usury and whatever else is unjust in it; at this individual freedom, devoid of human sympathy and responsibility for relatives except under the force of law…..

-Sayyid Qutb, Milestones

It’s Leninism with a veneer of Islam. And like Leninism, it has created the same revolutionary fanaticism, with an added dollop of religious fanaticism.

Needless to say, I have no use for such nonsense. Qutb and his ilk consider themselves the ‘chosen few’, sent to carry out the iron will of history God.

383 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:33:36am

Meanwhile - the right wing blogosphere is celebrating the genius of Jim Hoft with the hashtag #Hoftstock.

Impossible to make up things like this.

384 thedopefishlives  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:33:39am

Afternoon Lizardim from the cold and sunny wild north country. How go things among the lizardfolk? Is the world turned upside down yet?

385 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:33:46am

Gotta go. BBL

386 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:34:44am

re: #383 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile - the right wing blogosphere is celebrating the genius of Jim Hoft with the hashtag #Hoftstock.

Impossible to make up things like this.

Does that involve lots of mud?

387 chadu  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:35:26am

re: #380 Gus

I bet there’s pr0n of that on the Internets right… wait for it… now.

388 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:37:17am

re: #386 Backwoods_Sleuth

Does that involve lots of mud?

Looks like a dinner celebration with his friends celebrating recovery from a life threatening illness.

389 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:37:18am

re: #382 Dr Lizardo

-Sayyid Qutb, Milestones

It’s Leninism with a veneer of Islam. And like Leninism, it has created the same revolutionary fanaticism, with an added dollop of religious fanaticism.

Needless to say, I have no use for such nonsense. Qutb and his ilk consider themselves the ‘chosen few’, sent to carry out the iron will of history God.

They play right into the hands of Isamophobes who insist that Islam is not a religion but rather a political system.

390 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:37:53am

re: #388 Killgore Trout

Looks like a dinner celebration with his friends celebrating recovery from a life threatening illness.

Doesn’t preclude the presence of lots of mud…

391 chadu  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:38:39am

re: #381 Backwoods_Sleuth

Now hearing Christian Bale* and James Earl Jones singing “Bohemian Rhapsody.”

*But if I bend my brain this way, it’s Adam West. If I bend my brain that way, it’s Kevin Conroy. Not sure which of the three is better. Either West for pure cheese or Conroy for quality, because he got some pipes on him (cf “This Little Piggy,” JLU).

392 chadu  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:40:20am

re: #383 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile - the right wing blogosphere is celebrating the genius of Jim Hoft with the hashtag #Hoftstock.

Impossible to make up things like this.

How long to you have to boil the carcass for a good #Hoftstock?

Mirepoix or Cajun trinity?

393 nsmith25  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:41:18am

re: #154 wheat-dogghazi

Growing up, 6 of the 7 digits matched those of a local skeezy attorney.

He would later get jail time (along with others who prosecuted a class action suit) for stealing millions from clients.

394 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:42:38am

re: #389 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

They play right into the hands of Isamophobes who insist that Islam is not a religion but rather a political system.

They do indeed, and it’s all the worse because Qutb himself insisted that Islam is indeed a holistic system, encompassing not only religion, but economics and politics as well.

The Islamophobes conclude that Qutb was a “devout Muslim” - thereby agreeing to his definition of what constitutes “devout” - without noticing that Qutb was, in his heart of hearts, an Egyptian Vladimir Lenin, a revolutionary hell-bent on creating a global revolution culminating in a utopian society.

An like Lenin, his vision is doomed to fail, as are all utopian schemes.

395 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:44:01am

World War 1: 15 to 65 million
World War 2: 60 to 85 million dead
Soviet purges: 20 to 60 million people
Total dead: 95-210 million

All within the last 100 years.

396 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:46:25am


Derp. Derp. Derp.

397 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:46:30am

re: #395 Gus

World War 1: 15 to 65 million
World War 2: 60 to 85 million dead
Soviet purges: 20 to 60 million people
>Total dead: 95-210 million

All within the last 100 years.

And there is still more people on the planet that there has ever been. I think the attempt to use war as a means of population control has failed.

398 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:47:56am

re: #397 FemNaziBitch

And there is still more people on the planet that there has ever been. I think the attempt to use war as a means of population control has failed.

You mean the conspiracy theory that war is used as global population control.

399 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:48:09am

re: #383 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile - the right wing blogosphere is celebrating the genius of Jim Hoft with the hashtag #Hoftstock.

Impossible to make up things like this.

Ben Evans ‏@HeritageActMO 15h
#hoftstock If you are not following @gatewaypundit you are not misinformed! Celebrating Jim’s recovery, and all the people he has inspired.

I corrected one of the comments. You are welcome.

400 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:48:46am

re: #398 Gus

You mean the conspiracy theory that war is used as global population control.

Or the whacko idea that certain flavors of humans don’t need to be here. Really hasn’t worked, has it?

401 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:50:06am

That’s right - a spokesman for the Heritage Foundation thinks Jim Hoft is a great source for information.

Beyond parody.

402 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:50:35am

re: #400 FemNaziBitch

Or the whacko idea that certain flavors of humans don’t need to be here. Really hasn’t worked, has it?

I was looking at total number of deaths one night. Was for the past 100 years. Includes all deaths. It was in the billions.

403 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:50:48am
404 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:52:11am
405 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:52:21am
406 thedopefishlives  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:53:00am

re: #405 Charles Johnson

Charles, sometimes I wonder why you bother. People have been calling fake on anything and everything you’ve done since The Throbbing Memo.

407 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:54:01am

Need. Snacks.

408 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:55:07am

re: #407 Gus

Need. Snacks.

got the munchies?

409 jaunte  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:56:04am

re: #405 Charles Johnson

Some people say the Caracas photo I posted is a fake

Either they can’t read Spanish, (to check any other sites) or they’re kneejerk Chavista supporters.

410 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:56:18am

re: #408 FemNaziBitch

got the munchies?

No. Not munchies but an appetite. :D

411 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:57:05am
412 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:57:33am

Meanwhile in Ukraine, the dominoes continue to fall…..

413 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 11:00:46am

LEAVE NICHOLAS MADURO ALONE!

//

414 jaunte  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 11:03:24am

The pictures Venezuela’s government doesn’t want people to see

(Feb. 18)

This morning, tens of thousands of people obliged. Twitter has been flooded with aerial pictures of the mass protests—many of which Venezuela’s government seems to prefer no one see, as it blocked some of them from appearing for a time, according to the company.

415 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 11:03:27am

A fair portion of the right-wing, especially the libertarian conspiracy faction, has flocked to Maduro’s defense with a whole galaxy of conspiracy claims and assumptions. In essence, we see the right, the ascendant faction at that, supporting an avowed socialist. They are doing so with moth eaten, recycled Cold War propaganda that is indistinguishable from that of the far left and of outright communists. This doesn’t seem to occur to any of them. As with their hero Putin’s KGB background, they are utterly oblivious to it.

This level of delusion and cognitive dissonance cannot persist forever. There is already a “civil war” among the various incompatible ideologies and claims on the right, but I don’t think we have seen anything yet.

416 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 11:03:58am

Humbero Lopez. AKA the Che of Venezuela.

417 jaunte  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 11:04:35am

re: #416 Gus

Nice Che costume.

418 thedopefishlives  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 11:04:57am

re: #416 Gus

[Embedded image]

Humbero Lopez. AKA the Che of Venezuela.

He certainly looks the part.

419 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 11:04:59am

The para-military cult of Chavez and Maduro. Interesting.

420 Teukka  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 11:06:06am

re: #397 FemNaziBitch

And there is still more people on the planet that there has ever been. I think the attempt to use war as a means of population control has failed.

Well, if there ever — God forbid — is a global thermonuclear exchange, each ‘shroom cloud rising to the sky would represent roughly 1mn people if above a major metropolitan area.

Just sayin’…

421 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 11:06:15am

bbl

422 jaunte  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 11:06:36am

What to wear when shooting Miss Tourism.

423 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 11:08:20am

re: #422 jaunte

What to wear when shooting Miss Tourism.

“Pro-Chavez motorcycle brigades are, depending on your view, either a benign show of support or a tool for intimidating opponents.”

424 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 11:11:29am
425 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 11:16:21am
426 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 11:16:22am

re: #424 Gus

[Embedded content]

What do we get on the American cover? Miley Cyrus or Justine Bieber?

427 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 11:16:54am

re: #415 Shiplord Kirel

All the rightwing factions are massively armed, and they are all pumping themselves up with constantly escalating rhetoric about violence, assassination, and “second amendment” solutions in general. I have changed my mind about the possible need for liberals and progressives to ARM themselves against a wingnut uprising (though some may still do so as a counter to localized threats). What we need to do is ARMOR ourselves and lay low so we don’t get caught in the crossfire when dudebros, conspira-liars, Bible thumpers, corporatists, teabaggers, and the other mutually incompatible rightwing sub-species finally shoot it out in the streets.

428 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 11:17:39am

re: #426 Killgore Trout

What do we get on the American cover? Miley Cyrus or Justine Bieber?

429 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 11:19:15am

re: #428 Gus

[Embedded content]

Miley Cyrus and Justin Bieber decide flight cancellations? Wouldn’t surprise me.

430 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 11:19:47am

re: #428 Gus

[Embedded content]

lol

431 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 11:20:43am

This is why we’re stupid

432 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 11:23:08am

it’s unfair to blame the press for this. They are just trying to do business and this is what sells because it’s what we’ll buy.

433 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 11:27:58am

re: #395 Gus

World War 1: 15 to 65 million
World War 2: 60 to 85 million dead
Soviet purges: 20 to 60 million people
>Total dead: 95-210 million

All within the last 100 years.

“a statistic”
-Stalin

434 A Mom Anon  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 11:36:40am

re: #297 NJDhockeyfan

Love hearing about your daughter. If you haven’t heard of Goldie Blox yet, it’s an awesome company. They’ve designed sets of toys with books to encourage girls to go into engineering. Their facebook page has tons of links to stories and cool things about women and engineering and sciences.

435 chadu  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 11:39:26am

re: #431 Killgore Trout

This is why we’re stupid

re: #432 Killgore Trout

it’s unfair to blame the press for this. They are just trying to do business and this is what sells because it’s what we’ll buy.

Well, I have some whiplash from that.

Pray tell, where doth the particles of blame reside?

436 Gus  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 11:52:24am

Snacks [x]

Going up.

437 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 12:15:44pm

re: #428 Gus

[Embedded content]

That picture needs a white Persian visible on the chair, or sitting on the desk.

438 piratedan  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 12:26:08pm

re: #383 Charles Johnson

you mean you have a place where thousands of folks congregate to engage in something that feels good but there’s no place to go to bathroom so they just kind of go everywhere?

439 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Feb 23, 2014 12:31:38pm

re: #434 A Mom Anon

Love hearing about your daughter. If you haven’t heard of Goldie Blox yet, it’s an awesome company. They’ve designed sets of toys with books to encourage girls to go into engineering. Their facebook page has tons of links to stories and cool things about women and engineering and sciences.

I would like to think my granddaughters are encouraged to go into engineering BECAUSE OF ME.


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