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Arizona Wingnuts Chicken Out on Anti-Gay “Right to Refuse Service” Bill Due to Backlash

It’s a dry hate.
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Basically, they’re still for it, but the backlash is painful, so they’re against it. But it’s still a good idea. That maybe isn’t absolutely necessary. But a good thing, just don’t do it because there might be some bad results that would hurt us instead of the people we’re trying to hurt.

Three Republican senators who voted for Senate Bill 1062 say they made a bad decision in a rushed process and are now asking Gov. Jan Brewer to veto the right to refuse service bill.

“We feel it was a solution in search of a problem,” Sen. Bob Worsley, R-Mesa, said in an impromptu news conference outside the state Senate. He was joined by Sen. Steve Pierce, R-Prescott.

The two, along with Senate Majority Whip Adam Driggs, R-Phoenix, sent Brewer a letter this morning asking for a veto.

“While our sincere intent in voting for this bill was to create a shield for all citizens’ religious liberties, the bill has instead been mischaracterized by its opponents as a sword for religious intolerance,” the three wrote. “These allegations are causing our state immeasurable harm.”

Pierce and Worsley said the bill was moved along very quickly, not giving them enough time to convince fellow lawmakers to vote against it. Besides, Pierce said, they didn’t want to “tear apart” the GOP caucus, which was sharply divided last year over Brewer’s push for Medicaid expansion. [Emphasis added out of pure Schadenfreude.—ed.]

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Read the rest here (there’s an auto-starting video too): 3 GOP Senators Who Voted for SB 1062 Asking Brewer to Veto Bill

Here’s a link to a .pdf of the letter signed by the three Republican Senators. I think the letter is actually more weaselly than the video statement at the link above.

Thanks again to Stanley Sea for the subtitle.

By the way, here’s an amusing article about the fight against the bill in the Arizona Senate, carried out by two Democratic Senators, Steve Gallardo and Ed Ableser.

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First, Gallardo offered adding specific LGBT protections to the bill. That was voted down.

Then, Gallardo offered that any business that does want to reserve service to someone based on a religious belief should let that be known on a sign posted at the front of the business.

“There’s a reason why businesses don’t want anyone to know [they discriminate], it’s because they will go out of business — they know that,” Gallardo said. “They know that this type of discrimination would not be tolerated in Arizona.”

That was voted down.

Then Ableser introduced his series of amendments.

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Read it all.

UPDATE at 2/24/14 12:20:37 pm

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193 comments

1 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 11:56:00am

Isn’t AZ up for a coming Super Bowl?

2 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 11:56:12am

More than likely they were hoping that the law would go unnoticed until after Brewer signed it.

3 Kragar  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 11:56:31am

re: #2 Targetpractice

More than likely they were hoping that the law would go unnoticed until after Brewer signed it.

Bingo.

4 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 11:58:22am
5 Kragar  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 11:59:01am

“We have the courage to stand behind our convictions as long as no one is watching and there is no political fallout to deal with.”

6 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 11:59:32am

Imagine the reaction to a business with a “No Christians or heteros served” sign.

7 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:00:51pm

Thanks for the image and yet another headline rewrite.

Can pdfs be embedded? Can auto-play be killed in an embedded video?

8 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:02:38pm

The pretzel logic pervades the TP/GOP. This is from Kansas, where the Tea Party is claiming wants to make sure that LGBT discrimination language is enacted to preserve their right to discriminate without fear of lawsuit.


Yeah, you read that right.

9 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:04:55pm

re: #6 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

Substitute black or interracial or Chinese or any other minority group that has historically been discriminated against for LGBT. That lays clear the bigotry involved here.

The focus of this kind of legislation is to preserve the individual right to discriminate against minorities or anyone that they don’t approve of.

10 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:05:20pm
11 Ryan King  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:07:02pm

OMFG this is so making my day.

12 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:07:23pm

And we see a group of gentlemen offered the “malicious or incompetent” decision and managing to openly choose option C - both.

13 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:07:36pm

re: #9 lawhawk

Substitute black or interracial or Chinese or any other minority group that has historically been discriminated against for LGBT. That lays clear the bigotry involved here.

The focus of this kind of legislation is to preserve the individual right to discriminate against minorities or anyone that they don’t approve of.

Freep discussion cuts the crap and goes straight to ‘The CRA is unconstitutional’.

14 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:07:48pm

Sometimes shaming is a needed thing. This is one of those times. I’d prefer if people acted decently, but I’ll settle for them being shamed into doing so.

15 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:09:30pm

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

Sometimes shaming is a needed thing. This is one of those times. I’d prefer if people acted decently, but I’ll settle for them being shamed into doing so.

Actually, they were shamed into asking Jan Brewer to hide the shameful thing they did, without ever acknowledging that the thing was shameful. That last bit is what motivated the Page.

16 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:10:16pm

One of them did say he was ‘uncomfortable’ when he voted for the bill. I wonder whether it was indigestion.

17 Ryan King  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:10:51pm

re: #13 Decatur Deb

Freep discussion cuts the crap and goes straight to ‘The CRA is unconstitutional’.

The CRA the Republicans were all for and the Racist Democrats were against because/MLK?

… PROFIT!

18 Ian G.  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:11:01pm

I’m so glad I’ve already visited the Grand Canyon. I really don’t want to spend a single cent in tourism dollars in that state until these clowns are all voted out of office.

19 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:12:15pm

TRAPPED IN AN ELEVATOR WITH A GAY MAN!!!!

20 Ian G.  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:12:19pm

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ll note that it isn’t a handmade sign. Someone is printing them on an industrial scale, which suggests there’s demand for them.

C’mon AZ businesses. Prove that you’re better than your cretin lawmakers.

21 chadu  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:14:02pm
Basically, they’re still for it, but the backlash is painful, so they’re against it. But it’s still a good idea. That maybe isn’t absolutely necessary. But a good thing, just don’t do it because there might be some bad results that would hurt us instead of the people we’re trying to hurt.

Wait, if I burn down our house to hurt my siblings, it might actually hurt me?

WEIRD.

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22 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:14:52pm

re: #19 Pie-onist Overlord

TRAPPED IN AN ELEVATOR WITH A GAY MAN!!!!

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I knew we should have sent a bear instead. Oh, well, there’s always next time.

23 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:15:31pm

re: #22 Shiplord Kirel

I knew we should have sent a bear instead. Oh, well, there’s always next time.

Trapped in an elevator with a bear, and rescued by a gay man!

24 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:16:13pm
25 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:16:24pm

re: #22 Shiplord Kirel

I knew we should have sent a bear instead. Oh, well, there’s always next time.

Depends on the kind of bear you’re talking about. If you’re referring to the four-legged, large Ursidae variety, yeah…..I’d be a little nervous.

26 chadu  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:16:54pm

This is awesome:

For good measure, Ableser offered one more amendment: People shouldn’t be able to make an exercise-of-religion claim based on Satanism.

Ableser cited one of the “Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth,” which states, “If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.”

Under Yarbrough’s bill, a Satanist business owner could defend himself in a lawsuit by saying his religious beliefs dictated that he must have treated someone cruelly and without mercy for being an annoyance.

Like the rest of the amendments, that one was voted down too.

EPIC LEGISLATIVE TROLLING! FLAWLESS VICTORY!

27 Ryan King  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:17:06pm
Pierce and Worsley said the bill was moved along very quickly, not giving them enough time to convince fellow lawmakers to vote against it.

Wait… didn’t they vote against it themselves?

So if they had more time, they would have convinced fellow lawmakers and themselves to vote against it?

28 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:17:49pm

re: #20 Ian G.

I’ll note that it isn’t a handmade sign. Someone is printing them on an industrial scale, which suggests there’s demand for them.

C’mon AZ businesses. Prove that you’re better than your cretin lawmakers.

29 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:17:56pm

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

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During the Jim Crow era in Texas, it was legal to discriminate but not mandatory in many types of business. Many retail stores and other establishments had “whites only” signs. In response, several non-discriminating stores here in Lubbock put up signs that said “All of God’s children welcome here.”

30 chadu  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:18:14pm

re: #23 Pie-onist Overlord

Trapped in an elevator with a bear, and rescued by a gay man!

And there was only one dude in there other than Bryan.

Believe it… or not!

31 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:19:27pm
32 Bulworth  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:19:38pm

re: #24 Pie-onist Overlord

The US is worser!!!!

33 jonhendry  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:22:16pm

re: #16 wrenchwench

“One of them did say he was ‘uncomfortable’ when he voted for the bill. I wonder whether it was indigestion.”

It was probably the unbidden mental imagery of buttsecx.

34 Internet Tough Guy  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:22:45pm

re: #31 Pie-onist Overlord

>Anon lecturing anyone about corruption.

35 Gus  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:22:52pm

re: #32 Bulworth

The US is worser!!!!

Citizens revolt in Ukraine and Venezuela. More about the USA! //

36 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:23:00pm

re: #20 Ian G.

I’ll note that it isn’t a handmade sign. Someone is printing them on an industrial scale, which suggests there’s demand for them.

C’mon AZ businesses. Prove that you’re better than your cretin lawmakers.

It appears that the store in the picture is a sign shop/graphic design business.
Bet they made the signs.

37 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:23:19pm

re: #33 jonhendry

“One of them did say he was ‘uncomfortable’ when he voted for the bill. I wonder whether it was indigestion.”

It was probably the unbidden mental imagery of buttsecx.

In other words, a little bit of conscience got pinched in the closet door.

38 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:24:19pm

Reminds me of when the VA legislature was looking to pass the transvaginal probing bill back in ‘11, hoping to get it all said and done before word got to the press. How McDonnell waffled and made up excuses for why he wouldn’t take a clear position on the bill before the crush of national ridicule led him to saying he wouldn’t sign the bill.

It’s a sad fucking state of affairs in this nation when stupid bills like these have to depend on national ridicule to be killed.

39 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:25:10pm

BTW, Stanley, somebody notice the tip of the hat your way:

40 jaunte  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:27:01pm
“We feel it was a solution in search of a problem,” Sen. Bob Worsley, R-Mesa, said in an impromptu news conference

Sort of like that voter fraud mirage the Republicans are so concerned about.

41 steve_davis  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:27:32pm

That’s right. The bill has been “mischaracterized.” Asshats.

42 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:28:12pm

re: #7 wrenchwench

Can pdfs be embedded? Can auto-play be killed in an embedded video?

Yep, you can embed a PDF just by copying/pasting its URL on a separate line.

Can’t do anything about videos that autoplay, though.

43 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:28:17pm

ncronline.org

National Catholic Reporter blog entry. Mainly talking about how SB 1062 looks from a Catholic perspective, and critical of the fact that the Arizona Catholic Conference supports the bill. And also makes points about how the bill (and supporting it) are a bad idea from a philosophical viewpoint.

44 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:28:42pm
45 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:28:52pm

re: #40 jaunte

Sort of like that voter fraud mirage the Republicans are so concerned about.

No, they see voter ID bills and so forth as addressing a problem, it’s just that the problem is one they: They’re not winning enough elections.

46 steve_davis  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:29:17pm

re: #6 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

Imagine the reaction to a business with a “No Christians or heteros served” sign.

“All will be served! Christians will be served to the Barbary lions kept hungry out back.”

47 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:30:10pm
48 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:31:36pm

Hah - just stumbled on some wingnut psychos on Twitter raving that I should be sued for posting that Buzzfeed article on Ukrainian payola.

lol

49 Kragar  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:34:47pm


“Hey man…”

I turn around and GAH! WHAT IS THAT THING?

50 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:35:15pm

You can count on me to never get in the way of you “preventing an unintentional pregnancy.” I’m not actually sure what that means, because if it’s “unintentional” you must have been trying to prevent it. And, I don’t expect to be in the room or will I do anything to prevent you from obtaining a contraceptive. However, once a child does exist in your womb, I’m not going to assume a right to kill it just because the child’s host (some refer to them as mothers) doesn’t want it.

good freakin’ grief…

51 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:35:29pm

Whoa now.

52 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:36:10pm

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I prefer the one about reserving the right to refuse service to legislators… ;)

53 bubba zanetti  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:36:33pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

physics how does it work?

54 sizzzzlerz  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:36:37pm

These lawful bigotry proponents are some seriously fucked up people without the least understanding of the history of the United States and what it has stood for for 238 years. I never believe that my hatred of the GOP could increase from where it is now but these types of bills are seriously putting me at record heights. I thoroughly and absolutely detest these people.

55 b.d.  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:36:42pm

So she is going to just not sign the bill or will he get out that bigger rubber ‘veto” stamp out?

No way she signs it but I am curious as to whether she’ll actualy veto it or just let it expire?

56 Stanley Sea  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:37:23pm

re: #39 wrenchwench

BTW, Stanley, somebody notice the tip of the hat your way:

[Embedded content]

NICE! It was actually a hash tag on one of the tweets I posted. But like you it was the first time I saw it.

‘Tis brilliant.

57 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:38:00pm

They not only break a concrete block sitting on the guy’s belly, it’s ON FIRE.

58 darthstar  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:39:19pm

re: #16 wrenchwench

One of them did say he was ‘uncomfortable’ when he voted for the bill. I wonder whether it was indigestion.

Probably just a loose butt plug.

59 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:39:31pm

re: #55 b.d.

So she is going to just not sign the bill or will he get out that bigger rubber ‘veto” stamp out?

No way she signs it but I am curious as to whether she’ll actualy veto it or just let it expire?

I think if she does not sign it the bill goes into effect. No “pocket veto” capability here.

60 b_sharp  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:39:58pm

re: #29 Shiplord Kirel

During the Jim Crow era in Texas, it was legal to discriminate but not mandatory in many types of business. Many retail stores and other establishments had “whites only” signs. In response, several non-discriminating stores here in Lubbock put up signs that said “All of God’s children welcome here.”

So, no atheists?

61 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:40:21pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

Well no army has to worry about fending off attacks by concrete blocks or concrete blocks on fire.

Oh wait.

Ukrainian forces had to fight protesters flinging concrete (and other rocks, stones, and boulders they could get their hands on) and firebombs of all kinds.

Belarus - preparing for the next protest crackdown… ///

62 darthstar  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:41:17pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

They not only break a concrete block sitting on the guy’s belly, it’s ON FIRE.

That guy doesn’t have a belly. I have a belly. I can even balance a remote control on it when sitting in an upright position. I’ll bet he can’t do that.

63 Kragar  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:41:31pm
64 Lidane  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:41:54pm

re: #1 Decatur Deb

Isn’t AZ up for a coming Super Bowl?

Exactly. That’s why they’re chickening out on this. They know that enshrining Jim Crow 2.0 with the Super Bowl coming their way is a bad idea.

They’re all still for businesses discriminating against LGBT folks, minorities, and anyone that’s not like them. They just want to wait until people stop paying attention to their idiocy before they pass the law.

65 b.d.  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:41:55pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

They not only break a concrete block sitting on the guy’s belly, it’s ON FIRE.

Is the flaming concrete factory near Chernobyl?

66 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:42:15pm

re: #61 lawhawk

Well no army has to worry about fending off attacks by concrete blocks or concrete blocks on fire.

Oh wait.

Ukrainian forces had to fight protesters flinging concrete (and other rocks, stones, and boulders they could get their hands on) and firebombs of all kinds.

Belarus - preparing for the next protest crackdown… ///

Hopefully theirs won’t be in the winter, because it looks like shirtlessness is an important factor.

67 Ian G.  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:42:44pm

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

It appears that the store in the picture is a sign shop/graphic design business.
Bet they made the signs.

I noticed that on second glance. But I’m guessing they wouldn’t have it advertised in the window unless they expected it to be a hot seller.

68 darthstar  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:43:08pm

re: #65 b.d.

Is the flaming concrete factory near Chernobyl?

Sorry…nothing in Russia is “flaming”…

69 darthstar  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:44:43pm

re: #64 Lidane

Exactly. That’s why they’re chickening out on this. They know that enshrining Jim Crow 2.0 with the Super Bowl coming their way is a bad idea.

They’re all still for businesses discriminating against LGBT folks, minorities, and anyone that’s not like them. They just want to wait until people stop paying attention to their idiocy before they pass the law.

Too bad they didn’t get Brewer’s signature before learning that. With Michael Sam about to join the NFL, it would have been a no-brainer for the NFL to move the Superbowl to another state.

70 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:45:08pm

re: #66 wrenchwench

Hopefully theirs won’t be in the winter, because it looks like shirtlessness is an important factor.

It’s the Putin effect. /

71 calochortus  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:45:44pm

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

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good freakin’ grief…

I think he changed that wording about “hosts” to “bearer of the child” because he was inviting a lot of comments about parasites and hosts…

Remarkably stupid man.

72 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:46:18pm

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

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good freakin’ grief…

At least he’s being honest that he sees women as nothing more than walking incubators.

73 Lidane  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:47:15pm

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

Sometimes shaming is a needed thing. This is one of those times. I’d prefer if people acted decently, but I’ll settle for them being shamed into doing so.

If onlhy the GOP could be shamed into returning to the real world by getting rid of all the idiots, bigots, and religious fanatics in the party. Too bad that would decimate their voter base.

74 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:47:33pm

re: #68 darthstar

Point of order:

Point 1: Chernobyl is in the Ukraine. Not Russia. Huge difference. The cost to contain the ongoing damage from Chernobyl’s destroyed reactor is on the Ukrainian government, and they’re trying to build a new containment facility to keep the surrounding environment from being further damaged should the original sarcophagus fail.

Point 2:

Russia is most certainly flaming. The Olympic closing/opening ceremonies show that the Russians are indeed as fabulous and gay as the rest of the world. They just have an odd way of showing it. /

75 darthstar  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:48:26pm

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

76 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:49:55pm

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

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good freakin’ grief…

Host?
Then the baby is a par….
Nevermind, that moran wouldn’t understand.

77 TedStriker  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:49:57pm

With the news that Harold Ramis died today, here’s something funny (and a little ironic):

Youtube Video

78 darthstar  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:50:22pm

re: #74 lawhawk

Ukraine’s a bit of a mess right now.

79 b_sharp  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:51:07pm

re: #77 TedStriker

With the news that Harold Ramis died today, here’s something funny (and a little ironic):

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Harold Ramis died?
Shit.

80 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:51:26pm

re: #79 b_sharp

Harold Ramis died?
Shit.

Yeah….

81 Lidane  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:51:41pm

re: #77 TedStriker

Youtube Video

82 bubba zanetti  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:52:09pm

re: #58 darthstar

Probably just a loose butt plug.

Wetsuit rash.

83 b_sharp  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:53:18pm

re: #80 Varek Raith

Yeah….

How are they going to make Ghostbusters & Stripes sequels?

84 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:53:58pm

They would have won SO MUCH MOAR MEDALS if all the former Soviet states competed together as the old USSR.

85 GeneJockey  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:54:00pm

re: #75 darthstar

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Well, to be fair, there’s more than one type of symbiosis. In addition to parasitism (symbiont benefits at host’s expense), there’s also commensalism (symbiont benefits without harming host), and mutualism (both benefit).

But yeah, that was an unbelievably stupid thing for him to say. Even if he believes it, he shouldn’t be that stupid.

86 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:55:33pm

Wait.
I got it!
Fetuses are Gou’uld.
Where’s my Pulitzer?

87 TedStriker  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:55:41pm

re: #81 Lidane

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Stripes…one of my favorite movies.

Harold Ramis, Bill Murray, Warren Oates (this was the last movie he shot before he died, but Blue Thunder came out after Stripes IIRC), John Candy, Judge Reinhold, and John Larroquette (with Sean Young and P.J. Soles for good measure)…what’s not to like?

88 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:57:23pm

re: #84 Pie-onist Overlord

There’s always a home team bounce.

But Buzzfeed Gawker noted one curious thing:

Vic Wild competed for Russia. He won 2 gold medals. He was born, raised, and lives in Washington state. He got married to a Russian athlete and decided to compete for Russia because the US didn’t want to give his particular discipline sufficient funding/coaching. He went where the money was.

The medal count irony. Had the US given Wild the funding/backing he thought he needed, the US would have been the overall medal leader, and would have had 29 medals total, versus 27 for Russia. What we got? 29 medals for Russia, 27 for the US.

89 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:57:28pm

I didn’t know “Democracy” was a winter sport. Isn’t shooting included in the Summer games?

90 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:57:42pm

re: #86 Varek Raith

Wait.
I got it!
Fetuses are Gou’uld.
Where’s my Pulitzer?

Jaffa, kree!

91 Ian G.  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:58:04pm

re: #87 TedStriker

Maybe I’m too young to appreciate Cold War satires, but I never really liked “Stripes”. Of course, Ramis also gave us “Ghostbusters” and “Animal House”, which are two of the most hilarious movies ever made.

92 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:58:50pm

What is this I just can’t even…NOBODY died?

93 calochortus  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:59:40pm

re: #85 GeneJockey

And I’d say pregnancy is parasitism. Now, you can make a case that it benefits the mother by passing her genetic material along, but that is benefit to the genes and not to body of the woman.
I have never, ever been so exhausted in my life as when I was pregnant. (Except for one really bad case of flu, but illness doesn’t count.)

94 The War TARDIS  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:00:45pm

re: #88 lawhawk

That leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Why did he compete for Russia?

95 Dr. Matt  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:00:51pm
TELL MICHIGAN TOURISM AGENCY: BREAK TIES WITH OUTDOOR CHANNEL AND TED NUGENT csgv.org

Looks the first shot has been fired

96 Ian G.  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:01:09pm

re: #92 Pie-onist Overlord

What is this I just can’t even…NOBODY died?

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I don’t see too many people still angry about Bush, despite him presiding over the catastrophic and extremely deadly Iraq War, and Katrina, and 9/11……

97 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:02:15pm

re: #94 The War TARDIS

He married a Russian athlete (which gave him the citizenship access), and they were willing to provide the coaching staff/funding for his pursuit of gold medals.

gawker.com

98 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:03:02pm

Excerpt from local county Republican Party email.

*Subject:* *Fwd: Senator Rubio & Medicare Advantage*

Can you forward this to our membership. It’s regarding the Obamacare.

Sent from my Kyocera Hydro

———— Original Message ————
Subject: Senator Rubio & Medicare Advantage

‘The Obamacare’

lol

99 GeneJockey  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:03:50pm

re: #97 lawhawk

He married a Russian athlete (which gave him the citizenship access), and they were willing to provide the coaching staff/funding for his pursuit of gold medals.

I’m pretty sure that patriotism is not the biggest motivator among Olympic-level athletes. Lance Armstrong didn’t take drugs to help the US Postal Service.

100 Kragar  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:04:17pm

re: #92 Pie-onist Overlord

What is this I just can’t even…NOBODY died?

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101 The War TARDIS  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:04:33pm

re: #97 lawhawk

And we weren’t.

The issue I have is that he still has American Citizenship. Even though he now aligns himself with Putin’s Russia.

This guy seems to be the ultimate dudebro.

102 Dr. Matt  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:05:01pm

Stripes, Spies like US, Animal House, The Jerk, Trading Places, Blazing Saddles, Caddyshack, Fast Times….the 70s and 80s produced some epic comedies.

103 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:05:03pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

Whoa now.

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Lukaschenko letting people know what they will face if they dare protest in his country…

104 GeneJockey  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:05:11pm

re: #100 Kragar

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“What have the Romans ever done for us?”

105 darthstar  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:05:20pm
106 Kragar  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:05:23pm

re: #98 wrenchwench

Excerpt from local county Republican Party email.

‘The Obamacare’

lol

Maybe they can post it to The Facebook and discuss it on The Twitters.

107 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:05:27pm

re: #101 The War TARDIS

And we weren’t.

The issue I have is that he still has American Citizenship. Even though he now aligns himself with Putin’s Russia.

This guy seems to be the ultimate dudebro.

Sense of perspective needed: he’s an athlete. He didn’t take any state secrets with him.

108 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:06:04pm

re: #34 Internet Tough Guy

>Anon lecturing anyone about corruption.

Toronto lecturing anyone about government.

109 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:06:12pm

re: #96 Ian G.

And a couple of attacks on diplomatic facilities resulting in several times the number of those Americans killed in the Benghazi attacks - after which the GOP demands for investigations, impeachment, and hearings on the deaths were… well, let’s just say they were muted.

110 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:07:16pm

re: #69 darthstar

Too bad they didn’t get Brewer’s signature before learning that. With Michael Sam about to join the NFL, it would have been a no-brainer for the NFL to move the Superbowl to another state.

University of Phoenix Stadium (Glendale) is currently scheduled for the next Superbowl - Feb 1, 2015.

111 Bulworth  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:09:29pm

re: #109 lawhawk

Those were completely different because TALKING POINTS!! COVERUP!!! WE STILL HAVE QQQQQS

112 GeneJockey  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:09:37pm

re: #109 lawhawk

And a couple of attacks on diplomatic facilities resulting in several times the number of those Americans killed in the Benghazi attacks - after which the GOP demands for investigations, impeachment, and hearings on the deaths were… well, let’s just say they were muted.

Yeah, but Obama didn’t buzz in quickly enough with the right answer (“What is “a terrorist act”, Alex?”), so he should be impeached.

113 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:10:01pm

re: #110 Feline Fearless Leader

University of Phoenix Stadium (Glendale) is currently scheduled for the next Superbowl - Feb 1, 2015.

The University of Phoenix would have had the right to deny service to the NFL for permitting gay athletes…

114 GeneJockey  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:11:12pm

re: #111 Bulworth

Those were completely different because TALKING POINTS!! COVERUP!!! WE STILL HAVE QQQQQS

IIRC, just last month there was a GOP-led investigation that reported there were NO forces in place that could have responded, and NO “Stand Down” order was given to those nonexistent forces.

115 kirkspencer  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:13:10pm

re: #100 Kragar

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And of course the elephant in the room (though not embassy/consulate):
2,977 dead on September 11, 2001.

116 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:13:24pm

Military buffs here may like this:

117 GeneJockey  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:17:39pm

re: #116 Backwoods_Sleuth

Military buffs here may like this:

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“June, 1942:

“Re: Midway - I must be the luckiest motherfucker in the whole goddam world.”

118 piratedan  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:18:33pm

re: #18 Ian G.

I’m so glad I’ve already visited the Grand Canyon. I really don’t want to spend a single cent in tourism dollars in that state until these clowns are all voted out of office.

It’s a hard slog for a number of reasons….

1) the State lege has already made the gerrymandering of certain districts a fait accompli although the newly created board for impartially drawn districts is finally making some headway (after the Governor attempted to impeach the leader of the Board for doing their job)

2) fear sells in Az, you have a lot of old white folks here (we import them dontchaknow) that get told that while life here is lovely, there’s those illegals looking to steal their golf carts, camp out in their backyards, sleep on their golf courses and the only way to prevent that is to keep voting Republican

3) Az has elected a majority of D congress people, the lack of quality candidates makes the Senate and the Gov chair a possibility and there is a fair amount of grass roots organizing going on to get folks registered both inside the cities and out on the reservations to try and stem the tide of know-nothing xenophobic asshats in the lege, but its a hard slog.

119 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:19:00pm

Part of me almost wishes Brewer would go ahead and sign the bill, just so the GOP can lie in the bed they decided to make for themselves.

120 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:20:23pm

Somebody must be getting Yanukovich checks.

121 chadu  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:22:52pm

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

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good freakin’ grief…

122 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:24:03pm

re: #120 Pie-onist Overlord

Somebody must be getting Yanukovich checks.

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Bought and paid for by the Kremlin.

123 chadu  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:25:02pm

re: #65 b.d.

Is the flaming concrete factory near Chernobyl?

I choose not to buy gay concrete, foreign or domestic! (/AZ)

124 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:25:13pm
125 gwangung  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:26:00pm

re: #124 Pie-onist Overlord

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Ya think it’d be worth it to have some surveillance on that situation?

126 chadu  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:26:12pm

re: #75 darthstar

And the GOP lurves parasites, AMIRITE?

127 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:28:32pm

re: #124 Pie-onist Overlord

Blind spot sighting. If it occurs in the following countries: Russia, Ukraine, Venezuela, etc., then it’s not newsy enough for Greenwald and company. Their only news angle is that which affects the US.

And by affect, I mean negative effects. The bigger the negative effect, the better for Greenwald and co.

128 Gus  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:28:40pm

re: #124 Pie-onist Overlord

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129 RadicalModerate  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:29:30pm

Crap.

A comedy genius has died.

Harold Ramis of ‘Ghostbusters,’ ‘Groundhog Day’ fame dies

(CNN) — Harold Ramis, the actor, writer and director whose films include “Stripes,” “Ghostbusters,” “Groundhog Day” and “Analyze This,” has died. He was 69.

His death was caused by complications related to autoimmune inflammatory vasculitis, a condition Ramis battled for four years, according to United Talent Agency, which represented Ramis for many years.

Ramis died Monday morning in his Chicago-area home, the agency said.

130 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:30:03pm
131 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:30:22pm
132 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:31:19pm

re: #120 Pie-onist Overlord

Somebody must be getting Yanukovich checks.

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Max Blumenthal is ‘just asking questions’. He has clearly taken a course from the Two Glenns School of Yellow Journalism.

133 chadu  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:32:27pm

re: #116 Backwoods_Sleuth

Does he mention that there time vortex?

en.wikipedia.org

134 chadu  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:35:21pm

re: #130 Charles Johnson

I’m dropping a pre-emptive Godwin, just so we can move on.

135 GunstarGreen  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:37:06pm

Note the way in which they framed this. They didn’t say it was a bad bill. They said it was a bill that was “mischaractized” in a way that was “doing immeasurable harm to the state”.

It’s the state congressional version of the classic “I’m sorry you misinterpreted what I said” non-apology. They’re not asking for a veto because, after careful reconsideration, they realized it was a bad vote in the first place. They’re asking for a veto because, in their minds, the (supposedly-unwarranted) backlash is worse for the state than letting teh gayz be served the same as everyone else.

They’re still scumbags. They’re just scumbags that realize when the writing is on the wall.

136 RadicalModerate  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:37:32pm

re: #130 Charles Johnson

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Tom Selleck and Jimmy Buffet
Status: Inconsolable.

137 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:39:22pm

re: #33 jonhendry

“One of them did say he was ‘uncomfortable’ when he voted for the bill. I wonder whether it was indigestion.”

It was probably the unbidden mental imagery of buttsecx.

Plus not admitting to himself that he kinda liked the idea.

138 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:40:40pm

Yeah we had no idea that a bill that would be Jim Crow for gay people wouldn’t go over well. The GOP and the bigots that make up their base deserve each other.

139 chadu  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:41:54pm

re: #135 GunstarGreen

It’s the state congressional version of the classic “I’m sorry you misinterpreted what I said” non-apology.

If I had the time and money, I’d start a research study on the origins, popularity, and frequency of the fricking non-apology, because I hate it and want to kill it with fire.

140 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:42:38pm

re: #139 chadu

If I had the time and money, I’d start a research study on the origins, popularity, and frequency of the fricking non-apology, because I hate it and want to kill it with fire.

I’m sorry that that my apology made you feel that way, wink.

141 dog philosopher  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:44:21pm

Wingnuts Chicken Out on

buffalo: chicken wings

arizona: chicken wingnuts

142 chadu  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:46:38pm

re: #140 HappyWarrior

I’m sorry that that my apology made you feel that way, wink.

143 Gus  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:47:05pm

This caused teh outrage.


But.


Sooper Mexican is still on the case.

144 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:47:22pm
145 Gus  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:48:06pm

Click here to read wingnut derp responses.

146 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:48:44pm

re: #144 Charles Johnson

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Yeah that guy’s a douchenozzle.

147 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:51:32pm

re: #144 Charles Johnson

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It hurt him but not so much that he was anti-gun as that he was a foreigner who came across as telling Americans what to do. Liberal or conservative, Americans tend to be uniformly hostile to being ‘instructed’ in that fashion from someone who is not ‘one of us’.

Especially when that someone is as bombastic as Piers Morgan.

148 Flounder  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:53:58pm

I’ve heard of Piers Anthony, but not Piers Morgan. Did he have a show or something?

149 Gus  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:54:59pm


Derp.

150 Kragar  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:56:48pm

re: #149 Gus

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Derp.

As related by the Tzarina of Tokyo, translated by the Empress of the Americas.

151 GeneJockey  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:57:11pm

re: #147 Dark_Falcon

It hurt him but not so much that he was anti-gun as that he was a foreigner who came across as telling Americans what to do. Liberal or conservative, Americans tend to be uniformly hostile to being ‘instructed’ in that fashion from someone who is not ‘one of us’.

Especially in a British accent.

152 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:57:20pm

re: #147 Dark_Falcon

It hurt him but not so much that he was anti-gun as that he was a foreigner who came across as telling Americans what to do. Liberal or conservative, Americans tend to be uniformly hostile to being ‘instructed’ in that fashion from someone who is not ‘one of us’.

Especially when that someone is as bombastic as Piers Morgan.

I tend to agree. I can’t think of anyone who liked him even when they did agree with him.

153 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:57:21pm

re: #149 Gus

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Derp.

Tsar Vladimir Lenin. Maybe he’ll talk to him next about Comrade Hideki tojo.

154 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:57:40pm

re: #150 Kragar

As related by the Tzarina of Tokyo, translated by the Empress of the Americas.

Oh come on!

155 GeneJockey  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:59:15pm

re: #152 William Barnett-Lewis

I tend to agree. I can’t think of anyone who liked him even when they did agree with him.

“No, Walter, you’re not wrong. You’re just an asshole.”

156 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:59:34pm

re: #149 Gus

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Derp.

Either Wildmon has Putin mixed up with Lenin, or someone needs to tell him Lenin’s dead, stuffed and on display as a tourist attraction.

Oh, and Lenin was never a “Tsar”, though he was called the “Red Tsar” by his critics.

157 ObserverArt  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 2:00:37pm

re: #95 Dr. Matt

Looks the first shot has been fired

As I said in the sidebar page about Nuge…it appears he really stepped in it this time. Looks like the repercussions are coming down. Let see how he backtracks now. I hope he calls them out for being spineless so even more backers are forced to distance themselves.

158 GeneJockey  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 2:02:16pm

re: #156 Dr Lizardo

Either Wildmon has Putin mixed up with Lenin, or someone needs to tell him Lenin’s dead, stuffed and on display as a tourist attraction.

Oh, and Lenin was never a “Tsar”, though he was called the “Red Tsar” by his critics.

Maybe the USSR was a Monarcho-Syndicalist Commune?

159 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 2:03:09pm

re: #157 ObserverArt

As I said in the sidebar page about Nuge…it appears he really stepped in it this time. Looks like the repercussions are coming down. Let see how he backtracks now. I hope he calls them out for being spineless so even more backers are forced to distance themselves.

The good thing is I think he most assuredly will call those out who have associated with him who will distance themselves from him.

160 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 2:04:40pm

re: #158 GeneJockey

Maybe the USSR was a Monarcho-Syndicalist Commune?

I see what you did there. :)

161 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 2:06:42pm

Well in a OT note, I’m looking through my old photos from my first trip in Europe so I can google map some of the places I went to and stayed. Got three of the six cities so far. Really hoping to do another Euro-trip this summer.

162 Kragar  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 2:07:13pm

re: #159 HappyWarrior

The good thing is I think he most assuredly will call those out who have associated with him who will distance themselves from him.

163 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 2:08:28pm

re: #162 Kragar

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Ha yep.

164 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 2:08:37pm

re: #146 HappyWarrior

Yeah that guy’s a douchenozzle.

He is very good at pissing people off.

From a few weeks ago:

165 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 2:10:03pm

re: #164 NJDhockeyfan

He is very good at pissing people off.

From a few weeks ago:

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That’s the specific event I was thinking of. Went out of his way to be a patronizing asshole to Ms. Mock.

166 Gus  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 2:12:20pm
167 Gus  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 2:13:09pm
168 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 2:14:22pm

re: #165 HappyWarrior

That’s the specific event I was thinking of. Went out of his way to be a patronizing asshole to Ms. Mock.

He then pulled out the victim card:

Piers Morgan claims to be a “victim of cisphobia” after Janet Mock perfectly mocks his ignorance on Twitter

169 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 2:15:18pm

re: #168 NJDhockeyfan

He then pulled out the victim card:

Piers Morgan claims to be a “victim of cisphobia” after Janet Mock perfectly mocks his ignorance on Twitter

Bigots often do that when they get called out.

170 Gus  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 2:15:54pm
171 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 2:16:37pm

re: #170 Gus

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Good, now can we get more places that sell Banh Mi here in the states, please?

172 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 2:17:37pm

re: #164 NJDhockeyfan

He is very good at pissing people off.

From a few weeks ago:

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Maybe I’m just too old but I just can’t take “news” personalities seriously who get into twitter pissing contests. It seems silly to me.

173 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 2:19:53pm

re: #170 Gus

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The Romans spread plumbing, the Brits spread government and education. We’re spreading obesity and diabetes.

174 freetoken  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 2:20:07pm

The explicitly religiously-motivated bills we see bubbling up in state legislatures is a sign that some fraction of the masses are getting quite uncomfortable with the reality that their worldview is out of date.

Which leads me to the following links, which demonstrate how worldviews lead to assumptions that get reapplied all the time, without the critical analysis which is needed to sort fact from fiction:


Document of Early Christian History Rediscovered in Iowa

which summarizes this local newspaper story:

Ancient Egyptian papyri discovered at Luther College
Rare early Christian document among the finds

Reading the article details there is one little problem - the papyri described are in no way “Christian”, like the headlines declare.

One, the “libellus”, is a pagan document for a Roman civil religious requirement. The others are “accounting” documents.

The headline writers are just using “Christian” as a synonym for “Roman 1st to 5th century”. The proper description of these papyri would be “late antiquity Roman”, not “Christian”.

The problem is that our popular culture does not view the world outside our bubble as being anything that doesn’t fit our preconceived notions.

This continually comes up in all these culture-war discussions - the human proclivity to think the world exists exactly as only one’s own mind already believes it has to exist.

It’s a universal human problem, and is why formal methods in science have come about, by hard work, in an attempt to assert that there exists a world in physical reality that exists apart from one’s own consciousness and perceptions.

175 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 2:21:24pm
176 Gus  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 2:25:31pm
177 freetoken  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 2:27:41pm

re: #176 Gus

I’m not sure I buy the premise, which is, “got a problem is pseudoscience”.

My quite anecdotal evidence is that Americans really have no problem with pseudoscience.

178 Slap  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 2:30:46pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

I just have a question, after seeing this pic and the ones of ol’ Shirtless Vlad:
Do Eastern European men lack chest hair????

179 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 2:31:31pm

re: #176 Gus

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Behead those who insult Dr Bronner’s Soap!

180 GeneJockey  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 2:31:53pm

re: #173 Killgore Trout

The Romans spread plumbing, the Brits spread government and education. We’re spreading obesity and diabetes.

America! Fuck yeah!
//

181 freetoken  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 2:32:05pm

Schulson also is doing a bit of MBF, with his implied linking of “liberals” as consumers of homeopathy.

The strong anti-creationists which I come across are also scornful of homeopathy.

182 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 2:32:39pm

re: #178 Slap

In some of the more unfortunate former Soviet satellites, they burn chest hair for heating fuel. Maybe.

183 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 2:32:52pm

re: #178 Slap

I just have a question, after seeing this pic and the ones of ol’ Shirtless Vlad:
Do Eastern European men lack chest hair????

Yes.

I’m considered Sasquatch over here.

184 RadicalModerate  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 2:34:30pm

re: #164 NJDhockeyfan

He is very good at pissing people off.

From a few weeks ago:

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Morgan needs to realize that it isn’t necessarily political views that will shorten an interviewer / host’s longevity, but much more often their personality.

A few examples of successful interviewers, from various points on the political spectrum:

Larry King (the guy Morgan replaced on CNN when he retired)
Barbara Walters
David Frost
Phil Donahue
Howard K Smith

Each and every one of these was not afraid of asking tough questions, however they all had the greatest of respect from their interviewees as well as the general public.

185 GeneJockey  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 2:44:50pm

re: #177 freetoken

I’m not sure I buy the premise, which is, “got a problem is pseudoscience”.

My quite anecdotal evidence is that Americans really have no problem with pseudoscience.

No shit!

I guess the difference I see is that the pseudoscience at Whole Foods is relatively harmless snake oil, whereas Antivaxxers, HIV Deniers, Creationists, and Climate Change Deniers can cause harm that extends far beyond the victims of the scam.

186 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 2:45:49pm

re: #178 Slap

I just have a question, after seeing this pic and the ones of ol’ Shirtless Vlad:
Do Eastern European men lack chest hair????

Maybe they wax.

187 Slap  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 2:47:44pm

re: #183 Dr Lizardo

Do we get to call you “Sassy”, then?

188 GeneJockey  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 3:10:08pm

re: #186 Pie-onist Overlord

Maybe they wax.

“…but in former Soviet Russia, chest hair wax YOU!”

189 BeenHereAwhile  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 3:23:46pm

re: #29 Shiplord Kirel

During the Jim Crow era in Texas, it was legal to discriminate but not mandatory in many types of business. Many retail stores and other establishments had “whites only” signs. In response, several non-discriminating stores here in Lubbock put up signs that said “All of God’s children welcome here.”

During the Jim Crow era in St Augustine, FL, a mob burned down a friend’s father’s restaurant, because he was serving meals out the back door to non-whites.

Don’t miss those days.

190 BeenHereAwhile  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 3:32:30pm

re: #69 darthstar

Too bad they didn’t get Brewer’s signature before learning that. With Michael Sam about to join the NFL, it would have been a no-brainer for the NFL to move the Superbowl to another state.

With the AZ Super Bowl set for Feb 1, 2015, there’s not enough time to move the event.

191 chadu  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:16:29pm

re: #150 Kragar

As related by the Tzarina of Tokyo, translated by the Empress of the Americas.

Porthos*: This sash was a gift to me, from the Queen of America.

*Oliver Platt as Porthos, one of the few rays of light in Disney’s Three Musketeers, along with Keifer Sutherland as Athos and Charlie Sheen as Athos.

192 Ming  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 8:40:35pm

re: #18 Ian G.

I’m so glad I’ve already visited the Grand Canyon. I really don’t want to spend a single cent in tourism dollars in that state until these clowns are all voted out of office.

I’m curious about the effects on Arizona businesses, and I’m especially curious about Phoenix’s Sky Harbor airport, which is a major hub. What happens if a gay couple requires emergency medical care, or emergency law enforcement assistance, in Sky Harbor airport? I can see Americans avoiding flight connections in that airport. I can also see Americans avoiding business trips to Phoenix / Scottsdale.

193 Swampwitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:34:10pm

re: #69 darthstar

Too bad they didn’t get Brewer’s signature before learning that. With Michael Sam about to join the NFL, it would have been a no-brainer for the NFL to move the Superbowl to another state.

They could come to Iowa! Wait, that wouldn’t work. We don’t have a professional football team. ‘Cause then Minnesota would want one. (Insert rimshot here.)


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cycroft
Russ Campbell’s Blog: Military Threat Is Essential to Effective Diplomacy
Pres­i­dent Theodore Roo­sevelt fa­mously said: "speak softly, and carry a big stick." His idea was to ne­go­ti­ate peace­fully, but with the ever-pre­sent threat of the "big stick," mil­i­tary ac­tion. Per­haps in this proverb lies is a valu­able les­son for lead­ers of the West­ern democ­ra­cies, and es­pe­cially for Pres­i­dent Obama. On the week­end, well co­or­di­nated and armed mil­i­tants at­tacked gov­ern­ment build­ings in six cities ...

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Randall Gross
TurboTax Maker Linked to ‘Grassroots’ Campaign Against Free, Simple Tax Filing - ProPublica
The letters and op-eds don't mention that, as ProPublica laid out last year, return-free filing might allow tens of millions of Americans to file their taxes for free and in minutes. Or that, under proposals authored by several federal lawmakers, it would be voluntary, using information the government already receives from banks and employers and that taxpayers could adjust. Or that the concept ...

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steve_davis
Skyline Pigeon
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2 days, 16 hours ago
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Dark_Falcon
Presenting the Tracking Point AR series of rifles
Tracking Point has finally gotten their system to work with the AR-10 and AR-15 platforms. Now available in 5.56x45mm, 7.62x51mm and 300 AAC Blackout (a longer ranged 5.56 derivative). Hopefully, the Army and Marines can find the money for some of these, for these rifles will give our designated marksmen a real advantage in combat. They are also available for civilian sale, though at ...

4 days, 7 hours ago
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MichaelJ
2014 Drug Aware Margaret River Pro - ASP
More: 2014 Drug Aware Margaret River Pro - ASP Round 5 is going to be all about getting barreled. This is going to be good.

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 Frank says:

Why do you necessarily have to be wrong just because a few million people think you are?