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A legally blind man who was acquitted in the shooting death of another man fought in court Thursday to get his guns back.

John Rogers said he has the right to have both of his guns returned to him. While Judge John Galluzzo said he did not want to return the guns to Rogers, he said it was the law.

Rogers’ guns were confiscated by law-enforcement officers after he fatally shot a man. He was later acquitted.

“I have to return property that was taken under the circumstance,” Galluzzo said. “I have researched and haven’t found case law to say otherwise.”

Galluzzo said he had no choice but to return Rogers’ 10mm Glock and a rifle that was used to kill James DeWitt, 34.

The shooting happened at Rogers’ home in Geneva during a fight in March 2012. Rogers spent time in jail and went to trial in January. He was granted immunity using the “stand your ground” law.

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Four years ago, Rogers was accused of shooting at his cousin.

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1 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 5:56:08pm

A blind trigger-happy Florida man.

2 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 5:56:42pm

See, this is why Florida has never been my favorite state of the union.

3 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:00:22pm

Don’t think of it as a blind shooter with two guns. Think of it as public-access Russian roulette.

4 BongCrodny  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:00:39pm

Florida: The Gunshine State.

5 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:01:09pm
Rogers has a history of violence. Four years ago, he fired 15 rounds from a handgun at Michael Rogers, his roommate and cousin, following a night of drinking and fighting in Geneva, according to court records.

Michael Rogers suffered scrapes but no gunshot wounds. The defendant was charged with aggravated assault but, in a deal with prosecutors, pleaded no contest to a lesser charge — unlawfully displaying a firearm — and was placed on probation.

That was revoked, however, when he pushed and punched a woman a year later, something that resulted in him spending 71 days in the Seminole County jail for domestic violence, according to court records.

Rogers shot DeWitt once in the chest with a .308 Remington assault rifle from a distance of 18 inches or less, defense attorneys said.

Dude has a history of violence.

This is my surprised face.

See my surprise?

That’s surprise.

Totally not sarcastic.

Not at all.

Nary an iota of sarcarm.

Nope.

6 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:01:20pm

I can’t see this ending well.

7 b.d.  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:01:41pm

Can we switch out his ammo with blanks? I won’t tell him.

8 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:02:03pm

re: #5 The Ghost of a Flea

Dude has a history of violence.

This is my surprised face.

See my surprise?

That surprise.

Totally not sarcastic.

Not at all.

Nary an iota of sarcarm.

Nope.

Some people just shouldn’t be allowed to own a gun honestly.

9 Kragar  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:02:40pm

Every day I receive more evidence that my decision to keep a continent between myself and Florida was the correct one.

10 Stanley Sea  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:08:25pm

re: #9 Kragar

Every day I receive more evidence that my decision to keep a continent between myself and Florida was the correct one.

And I go back twice every year….So far I return in one piece.

11 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:09:27pm
12 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:11:20pm

re: #10 Stanley Sea

And I go back twice every year….So far I return in one piece.

We have family hostages there.

13 chadu  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:13:25pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

A blind trigger-happy Florida man.

We have really passed the TheOniongularity.

14 Stanley Sea  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:15:24pm

re: #12 Decatur Deb

We have family hostages there.

Ya. 3/25 my next ransom delivery.

15 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:17:25pm

Do wingnuts know that Jeanne Assam is a Gay Person?

16 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:19:06pm

re: #15 Pie-onist Overlord

Do wingnuts know that Jeanne Assam is a Gay Person?

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That story made national news as I recall. Yeah that liberal media.

17 chadu  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:19:51pm

re: #15 Pie-onist Overlord

Do wingnuts know that Jeanne Assam is a Gay Person?

Unpossible! She was a Good Guy Gal with a gun!

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18 Lidane  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:19:57pm

re: #15 Pie-onist Overlord

Do wingnuts know that Jeanne Assam is a Gay Person?

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And that she was asked to leave that same church after coming out.

19 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:20:04pm

re: #15 Pie-onist Overlord

Do wingnuts know that Jeanne Assam is a Gay Person?

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20 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:20:39pm

re: #18 Lidane

And that she was asked to leave that same church after coming out.

That’s right. I remember this now. Conservative values in actions. Thanks for saving us but leave homo.

21 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:20:40pm

If you read the Orlando commenters on the original article, it’s worse. 100% are attacking the judge either for wanting to take the guns or destroying the ammo.

22 dog philosopher  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:21:12pm

The Blind Man And His Guns

must be a parable here but i don’t know what it is

23 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:21:18pm

And she was a security guard not some Dirty Harry wannabe with a gun.

24 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:21:23pm
25 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:21:24pm

I misread the headline as “Blind Man acquitted in Fatal Shooting Gets Glenn Beck”

26 chadu  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:21:52pm

re: #24 Pie-onist Overlord

OFFS.

27 nines09  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:24:36pm

If ever I saw an Onion headline…………….That would be it.
His aim is getting better is spot on also as I read, “Four years ago, Rogers was accused of shooting at his cousin.” End quote. Yep. Can’t wait until he gets that red dot scope, can you?

28 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:24:43pm

re: #22 dog philosopher

The Blind Man And His Guns

must be a parable here but i don’t know what it is

Jesus and the Woman at the Range.

29 Kragar  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:24:54pm

re: #24 Pie-onist Overlord

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So why isn’t he a Catholic then?

30 Kragar  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:27:20pm
31 b.d.  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:30:24pm

re: #30 Kragar

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I’d bet that guy’s bible is written in English

32 Kragar  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:31:41pm

re: #31 b.d.

I’d bet that guy’s bible is written in English

Just like when God gave it to Moses

33 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:35:14pm

re: #31 b.d.

I’d bet that guy’s bible is written in English

Translation does not imply errors and dishonesty, done right it is simply making a book accessible to those who speak that language. It is only when dishonesty is introduced into the translation (I’m looking at you, Andy Schlafley!) that the mischief begins.

BBL

34 Stanley Sea  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:39:47pm

re: #24 Pie-onist Overlord

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Talking out both sides of mouth Kemosabe.

35 chadu  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:39:57pm

re: #31 b.d.

I’d bet that guy’s bible is written in English

Written in American!

(English is what they speak in ENGLAND, libtard!)

#uneducatedlibtards

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36 chadu  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:43:05pm

re: #33 Dark_Falcon

Translation does not imply errors and dishonesty, done right it is simply making a book accessible to those who speak that language. It is only when dishonesty is introduced into the translation (I’m looking at you, Andy Schlafley!) that the mischief begins.

BBL

Beg to differ, DF.

Change that first bit to “Translation does not imply deliberate errors…” and okay, but even honest translations have often been known to incorporate errors.

I’m reading a translation of Apicius’ cookbook that also summarizes previous translations’ er, translation, and stuff gets pretty odd.

37 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:44:42pm
38 b.d.  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:47:11pm

are: #35 chadu

Forgot about the:

#speakamerican

twitter.com

Has Coca-Cola gotten down on their knees yet and begged forgiveness?

39 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:48:16pm

How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations - the Intercept

Glenn, Jeremy, Laura, Dan - if any of you reads this comment…

Thank you! Thank you for having the courage to speak truth to power… In these dark times you are a reminder that there are still professionals with integrity that want to strive for a more responsible U.S. government and a better planet at great personal risk. I want to help as much as I can and I plan on begging you to let me be a part of this tremendously important work that you are doing, even if its just getting coffee. I don’t know how to contact you but I will find a way. If not… I am still trying to figure out what I can do to help bring serious civil discourse back into our culture as well as using technology to wager those empowered minds to effect the course of the U.S. Best of luck as you continue to keep our government accountable!

40 b.d.  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:48:34pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

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THE CRAZY COMMENTS ARE THE COMMENTS BY THE NSA PLANTS TO MAKE US LOOK BAD!!

41 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:49:08pm

I haven’t waded through the latest greenwald scoop yet. Anything interesting?

42 Mentis Fugit  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:49:11pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

See, this is why Florida has never been my favorite state of the union.

Look on the bright side: with rising ocean levels, Florida can only get smaller.

43 Mentis Fugit  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:49:51pm

re: #24 Pie-onist Overlord

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Keep whiting that sepulchre, dude.

44 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:50:16pm

re: #32 Kragar

Just like when God gave it to Moses

The Two Commandments

45 Kragar  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:51:11pm

re: #40 b.d.

THE CRAZY COMMENTS ARE THE COMMENTS BY THE NSA PLANTS TO MAKE US LOOK BAD!!

46 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:51:58pm
47 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:54:43pm
48 Kid A  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:55:38pm

A beautiful photograph that was a deserved winner.

49 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:57:37pm
50 b.d.  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:00:41pm


sprawld

24 Feb 2014 at 8:37 pm

God. All I’m doing now is looking at these comments - with their gray silhouette avatars - wondering which ones are the feds

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51 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:02:43pm

Actually I saw this as I was driving home last week. The sun was out, it was about 3:30 PM, there were puddles in the road from recent snowmelt. Every time a vehicle drove through a puddle it threw up a spray and became a rainbow. I wish that I had a dashcam because it was really, really cool-looking.

52 dog philosopher  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:02:51pm

Report: Scientists find oldest fragment of Earth’s crust, said to be 4.4-billion years old - @novapbs

no word yet on whether it’s whole wheat

53 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:08:07pm
54 Dr. Matt  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:08:17pm

Yet another reason to despise Lt. poopy pants…..worst.album.cover.ever:


55 chadu  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:08:27pm

re: #51 Pie-onist Overlord

Actually I saw this as I was driving home last week. The sun was out, it was about 3:30 PM, there were puddles in the road from recent snowmelt. Every time a vehicle drove through a puddle it threw up a spray and became a rainbow. I wish that I had a dashcam because it was really, really cool-looking.

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THERE’S A LEPRECHAUN IN THE ENGINE!

56 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:08:31pm
57 chadu  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:08:47pm

re: #54 Dr. Matt

Yet another reason to despise Lt. poopy pants…..worst.album.cover.ever:

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He’s a furry?

58 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:09:58pm

re: #55 chadu

THERE’S A LEPRECHAUN IN THE ENGINE KIDNAPPED IN THE TRUNK OF THE CAR!

Or the driver stole the pot o’gold and put it in the trunk of the car.

59 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:10:34pm
60 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:10:42pm

Ok, waded through Greenwald’s latest scoop. Here’s my understanding: the Brits developed some techniques for manipulating online communities. Not surprising since ad agencies and political “think tanks” figured that out a while ago. From an intel point of view I get the parts about infiltrating and even creating doubt using misinformation to discredit or marginalize someone. I’d love to see some real world cases where these techniques were used. I guess as long as they’re not using the techniques for political purposes (generating public support for a new government program, etc) then I don’t think it’s a big deal. “slippery slope” and potential for misuse abound but that’s life

61 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:11:03pm

I can so see a Ford Fusion ad based on this picture.

62 TedStriker  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:13:08pm

re: #57 chadu

He’s a furry?

Proto-furry.

63 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:13:11pm

THE WIGGLING EARS

Youtube Video

64 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:14:25pm

My surprise, somebody rocking the CSA flag on their avi turns out to be a racist douchenozzle.
Tweet linked, click at your own risk.

65 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:15:17pm

I removed that embedded Tweet, linked instead.

66 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:16:53pm

re: #65 Pie-onist Overlord

Thanks! Much better that way.

67 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:20:21pm
68 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:21:31pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

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Which is why I don’t think government agencies bother using these techniques in “normal” political online communities. We shit all over each other with smears and discredit our fellow citizens all day long. Why would the government bother when we do it for them for free?

69 chadu  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:23:12pm

re: #62 TedStriker

Proto-furry.

And, just to be clear re: my furry comment, lemme quote from the Book of St. Edward of Izzard:

…If you’re a transvestite you get lumped into that “weirdo” grouping. There was a guy in the Bronx … who was living in a cave (like you do) and he was coming out and shooting at geese, and a lot of weird things going on with this guy.

And they found, in his cave, the police picked him up and they found a collection of women’s shoes, and they thought ‘Well, maybe he’s a transvestite.’

And, if he is, then he’s a fucking weirdo transvestite.

I’m much more in the Executive Transvestite area.

Like, J. Edgar Hoover, what a fuckhead he was, they found out when he died that he was a transvestite, and they go “Well that explains his weird behavior…”

Yeah, fucking weirdo transvestite.

[gestures to himself] Executive transvestite.

It’s a lot wider of a community than you’d think.

The Word of the Fnord.

70 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:27:58pm

From the comments at Greenwald’s site: An OWS organizer fears his discussions of violence may have been compromised….

Craig

24 Feb 2014 at 8:59 pm

During the Occupy protests the group I was working with had a discussion on facebook about defending ourselves against police suppression, in light of the police response in Oakland. I argued that any kind of violent defense would not work to our advantage, and everyone agreed and the conversation drifted towards when it would be appropriate to respond to police violence with violence of our own, as applied to defending ourselves. Later I found that the Fusion Center run by DHS circulated a memo to the local police stations stating that they found evidence that the local Occupy group planed on shooting officers. I believe they were using the discussion we had about defending ourselves from the police to make the case that we were going to shoot cops. I believe that they were using the Fusion Centers to manipulate the police into thinking the peaceful protesters were a threat. I was stunned and scared sh**less after I found this out, since I was not an anonymous protester, but an out front organizer, I gave news interviews and was a public face. My name is directly attached to the local Occupy group, and I would have to think that the local police had my name, along with this memo, which in turn would make me a target for the police. I admit I feel victim to my own fear and have since disappeared from the group out of fear of police harassment. Manipulate the police into thinking the protesters were a threat, deceive them into thinking there is an eminent threat, and then destroy the reputations of the protesters. Sound familiar?

71 Lidane  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:29:25pm

re: #38 b.d.

Has Coca-Cola gotten down on their knees yet and begged forgiveness?

They’re too busy making money to give a shit about the bigots.

72 Gus  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:29:32pm

73 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:30:05pm

re: #64 Pie-onist Overlord

My surprise, somebody rocking the CSA flag on their avi turns out to be a racist douchenozzle.
Tweet linked, click at your own risk.

Not gonna reply to that sewer filth. Added him to the blocked list, though. Absolute filth, that one.

A hate-filled man such as that ought not to use Robert E. Lee as his handle, who the historical record clearly shows was no species of hater. He’d do much better with Nathan Bedford Forrest or Daniel Harvey Hill.

74 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:31:58pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

From the comments at Greenwald’s site: An OWS organizer fears his discussions of violence may have been compromised….

Interesting that he seems fairly certain the conversation about shooting cops was the same discussion he participated in. I think it a safe bet the cops already know who he is. Good luck, douchebag

75 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:33:13pm

Who the fuck talks about shooting cops on Facebook? Idiot

76 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:34:17pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

From the comments at Greenwald’s site: An OWS organizer fears his discussions of violence may have been compromised….

Point of order: This man was clearly part of the violent ‘Occupy Oakland’ (OO), not ‘Occupy Wall Street’, which was not violent in the way OO was (though the OPD behaved much more violently than the NYPD and less effective as well).

Killgore, I gotta say that bringing your hobbyhorse into this issue doesn’t look very good.

77 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:38:13pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

Point of order: This man was clearly part of the violent ‘Occupy Oakland’ (OO), not ‘Occupy Wall Street’, which was not violent in the way OO was (though the OPD behaved much more violently than the NYPD and less effective as well).

Killgore, I gotta say that bringing your hobbyhorse into this issue doesn’t look very good.

It does illustrate the need for intelligence agencies to infiltrate and monitor certain online communities. In this case it may have saved lives.

78 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:38:27pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

The Beijing government routinely has a large group of ‘net users interject pro-government comments into online discussions. Because each one gets 0.5 yuan per comment, they are called “wumaos” (wu = 5 and mao = 0.1 yuan). If you read comments at some English-language sites relating to Chinese affairs, you can sometimes pick out comments that are so over-the-top pro-Beijing that you may suspect they’re planted by wumaos.

This activity is well documented, so I am sure GG mentions the Chinese practice in his latest exposé. Right?
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79 Gus  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:40:40pm

re: #75 Killgore Trout

Who the fuck talks about shooting cops on Facebook? Idiot

80 gwangung  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:42:51pm

re: #77 Killgore Trout

It does illustrate the need for intelligence agencies to infiltrate and monitor certain online communities. In this case it may have saved lives.

Oh? Like “national security” and “thinking of the children”?

You can do better than this.

81 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:44:49pm

re: #79 Gus

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Reading that a second time through he gets even dumber. 1) talking about shooting cops on facebook 2) He was doing it using his real name 3) He’s still probably using his real name on Greenwald’s site 4) not helping the Occupy movement by publicizing the fact that organizers were having online discussions about shooting cops.

82 chadu  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:45:06pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

Killgore, I gotta say that bringing your hobbyhorse into this issue doesn’t look very good.

My first thought: “Whoop, there it is.”

83 freetoken  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:45:14pm

re: #78 wheat-dogghazi

Well, according to Glibertarian ethos, those Chinese paid-commenters are working and getting the wage the market has determined.

Governance by money has always been the foundation of society, all the more so in the modern twitterverse of ethereal electrons.

The PRC today is about as anti-Marxist as anywhere. The raw mercantilism that has risen up to replace the “communist” Mao system is really something that I think future historians will appreciate more than many of us contemporaries.

84 chadu  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:49:13pm

re: #81 Killgore Trout

Reading that a second time through he gets even dumber. 1) talking about shooting cops on facebook 2) He was doing it using his real name 3) He’s still probably using his real name on Greenwald’s site 4) not helping the Occupy movement by publicizing the fact that organizers were having online discussions about shooting cops.

A question I have is “Was anyone involved in this discussion an undercover agent provocateur?”

en.wikipedia.org

85 Gus  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:51:39pm

No true Scotsman.

86 freetoken  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:52:40pm

re: #85 Gus

No true Scotsman Philosopher

87 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:53:31pm

re: #81 Killgore Trout

Reading that a second time through he gets even dumber. 1) talking about shooting cops on facebook 2) He was doing it using his real name 3) He’s still probably using his real name on Greenwald’s site 4) not helping the Occupy movement by publicizing the fact that organizers were having online discussions about shooting cops.

5) Not helping Greenwald by complaining that his online discussions to kill police may have been infiltrated

88 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:54:12pm

re: #79 Gus

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keep that screencap. If Greenwald’s idiots have any sense that comment should be deleted soon.

89 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:55:27pm

re: #85 Gus

No true Scotsman.

Inside job!

90 Gus  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:57:21pm

re: #88 Killgore Trout

keep that screencap. If Greenwald’s idiots have any sense that comment should be deleted soon.


Muckraking baby!

91 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:58:12pm

“Sorry! The Oakland Cop Killing Facebook page is private. Would you like to send a friend request?”

92 Gus  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:58:40pm

re: #89 Killgore Trout

Inside job!

He’s a plant!

93 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:59:26pm

re: #90 Gus

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Muckraking baby!

Lol. MSNBC won’t pick up the story. You’ll have to settle for a hat tip from Fox news.

94 Gus  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 8:00:00pm

re: #93 Killgore Trout

Lol. MSNBC won’t pick up the story. You’ll have to settle for a hat tip from Fox news.

Maybe I’ll make Twitchy again. ;)

95 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 8:01:19pm

re: #94 Gus

Maybe I’ll make Twitchy again. ;)

Malkin will send you another Koch Bros check.

96 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 8:01:25pm

re: #84 chadu

A question I have is “Was anyone involved in this discussion an undercover agent provocateur?”

en.wikipedia.org

Sorry, but I’d have to say ‘no’ on that score. Occupy Oakland was a pretty violent bunch and I find it entirely believable that they would talk about shooting police officers, though it must be noted that they did not actually do that.

97 andres  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 8:01:45pm

re: #33 Dark_Falcon

Translation does not imply errors and dishonesty, done right it is simply making a book accessible to those who speak that language. It is only when dishonesty is introduced into the translation (I’m looking at you, Andy Schlafley!) that the mischief begins.

BBL

Errors in translation will exist on everything but the simplest texts1. It’s why situations like this happens all the time.

They can be reduced somewhat, but they will always exist.

1. And I’m not guaranteeing those either.

98 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 8:02:37pm

re: #83 freetoken

Well, according to Glibertarian ethos, those Chinese paid-commenters are working and getting the wage the market has determined.

Governance by money has always been the foundation of society, all the more so in the modern twitterverse of ethereal electrons.

The PRC today is about as anti-Marxist as anywhere. The raw mercantilism that has risen up to replace the “communist” Mao system is really something that I think future historians will appreciate more than many of us contemporaries.

Agreed. China now is as money-grubbing capitalistic as the USA was during the Gilded Age. And as with the American situation, the poor people are not getting as much benefit out of the new economy as the rich ones are.

99 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 8:05:35pm

BTW, Banished is an excellent city building/survival game. Indy title, you can’t go wrong for $20 on Steam. Highly recommended.

100 chadu  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 8:05:48pm

O/T…

…but the funniest paragraph I’ve read today:

[Doc Magnus’] relationship with Platinum alone is something that could fill entire books with analysis of just what exactly is supposed to be going on there. If you’ve never read it, the short version is that Platinum is extremely vocal about being in love with Doc, which he always responds to by telling her that she’s a robot, not a woman, and that he’s going to give her to the science museum if she doesn’t shut up about it. It’s crazy, and the question that keeps coming up if you read these stories is why did he make a lady robot in a sexy nurse costume that’s in love with him if he’s just going to be a jerk to her? It’s like some bizarre sociopathic BDSM thing that plays out in the most literal possible manner in the pages of a superhero comic from the ’60s.

Read More: Ask Chris #184: A Brief History Of The Metal Men | comicsalliance.com

101 Gus  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 8:06:12pm

Things were so much better when Mao was around.

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102 The War TARDIS  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 8:08:12pm

re: #18 Lidane

Of course they did. It’s Colorado Springs.

103 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 8:10:07pm

Yanuk may be escaping by ship via the Russians.

Translated to english…

Yanukovych could climb aboard the Black Sea Fleet (list)

Source conveyed in Sevastopol “Izvestia in Ukraine” list of the Black Sea Fleet of Russia, which, according to him, may soon leave Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych.

This is a large landing ship “Fil’chenkov” now the next, according to the source, in Sevastopol with two companies of Marines, and then sent to Novorossiysk.

Also among the “suspects” ships IC “inquisitive” MPC “Alexandrovets”, “Kasimov” MRC “Calm” MTSCH “V.Pikul”, “Zakhar’in” coastal minesweeper “Mineral water” SRZK “Azov Sea” Manual transmission “Simoom “RSA” Thunderstorm “.

According to the source, any ship leaving the naval base in Sevastopol Russian Black Sea Fleet, is obliged to inform about the course, but is not subject to customs inspection.

104 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 8:11:09pm

re: #102 The War TARDIS

Of course they did. It’s Colorado Springs.

That’s reads like “Forget it Jake, it’s Chinatown.”

105 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 8:17:55pm

OMG! What if the Occupy dude on Greenwald’s site is a government agent posting misinformation?

106 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 8:18:09pm

re: #84 chadu

A question I have is “Was anyone involved in this discussion an undercover agent provocateur?”

en.wikipedia.org

99% probability. But KT doesn’t care so long as someone he can pretend is a leftist gets hurt.

107 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 8:19:06pm

re: #106 William Barnett-Lewis

99% probability. But KT doesn’t care so long as someone he can pretend is a leftist gets hurt.

How do you figure?

108 Gus  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 8:19:51pm

re: #105 Killgore Trout

OMG! What if the Occupy dude on Greenwald’s site is a government agent posting misinformation?

So Greenwald and the Power Point presentation is ferreals man!

109 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 8:20:58pm

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

How do you figure?

More a comments on KT’s obsessions than on OO. I forgot the //.

110 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 8:23:39pm

re: #109 William Barnett-Lewis

More a comments on KT’s obsessions than on OO. I forgot the //.

Fair enough.

111 bratwurst  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 8:27:47pm

More praise for Greenwald from a deeply disturbed man. The moronic convergence continues:

112 The War TARDIS  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 8:30:53pm

re: #104 Dark_Falcon

It’s just an awful place. That would happen there.

113 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 8:44:52pm

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

Regarding this comment of yours in the last thread:

Jonah Goldberg, Liberal Fascism pg 378-9

114 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 8:52:42pm

re: #113 goddamnedfrank

Goldberg sucks as a historian. Vague source references like “some try to suggest”, wild suppositions, and his only citation is a polemic piece of trash by Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams. What does citation 20 refer to?

115 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 8:54:17pm

re: #113 goddamnedfrank

Regarding this comment of yours in the last thread:

Jonah Goldberg, Liberal Fascism pg 378-9

Then I stand corrected.

116 GeneJockey  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 8:55:34pm

re: #114 wheat-dogghazi

Goldberg sucks as a historian. Vague source references like “some try to suggest”, wild suppositions, and his only citation is a polemic piece of trash by Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams. What does citation 20 refer to?

That’s because he’s not a historian. What he is, is a confirmation bias enabler.

117 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 8:59:54pm
118 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 8:59:58pm

re: #114 wheat-dogghazi

Goldberg sucks as a historian. Vague source references like “some try to suggest”, wild suppositions, and his only citation is a polemic piece of trash by Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams. What does citation 20 refer to?

The Pink Swastika. He cited Lively as his source.

119 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 9:01:52pm

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

Then I stand corrected.

Why would you even try to categorically assert what the book does or does not support if you haven’t read it? Something fucked up about that.

120 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 9:06:26pm
121 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 9:07:33pm

re: #118 goddamnedfrank

The Pink Swastika. He cited Lively as his source.

As I had guessed. One pseudo-historian quoting an even worse pseudo-historian.

Clearly, by holding true to facts, ethical journalism and responsible writing, I have doomed myself to a life of middle-class poverty and relative obscurity. If I could throw all that to the winds, I too could probably write for a major publication and get books published willy-nilly. I’d just have to sell my soul to Mr Scratch.

122 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 9:10:46pm

re: #117 NJDhockeyfan

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hmmm…that’s troubling if true but so far it looks like Russian press reports. I’ve been thinking the Russians have given up but this does raise the question if NATO is going to respond. A direct military conflict is unthinkable to me but I suppose anything’s possible,

123 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 9:11:37pm

re: #119 goddamnedfrank

Why would you even try to categorically assert what the book does or does not support if you haven’t read it? Something fucked up about that.

The thing is that I have read that book, Frank. But I forgot that passage. It was a mistake, but its one we’ve all made.

124 ObserverArt  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 9:17:44pm

Kilgore, you appear to be outraged by your own outrage. The self quotes are a nice touch. By god, somebody has to be pissed off about that OWS/OO stuff.

I have to ask, did I miss in that Facebook stuff where the kid said he was going to shoot cops? I’m not seeing it. Gus, you have where the kid said he was going to shoot cops? I see where they discussed how they should respond to the police getting violent, but I didn’t see them mention shooting cops? Was that in an earlier Facebook comment that hasn’t been posted?

125 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 9:22:06pm
126 Weet  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 9:22:45pm
127 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 9:29:37pm

re: #125 goddamnedfrank

Shorter Jonah Goldberg:

You know who else said those things? Nazis! Therefore, Leftists are Fascists! I rest my case.

128 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 9:39:11pm

re: #127 wheat-dogghazi

There’s nothing wrong with gay marriage per se, but don’t you see how those tricksy liberal hobbitses work? From there it’s a hot, wet, nasty, lubed up slippery slope to society becoming one gigantic nazi goat orgy.

129 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 9:43:38pm

re: #126 Weet

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Maybe not conception, but babies can be huge jerks.

130 ObserverArt  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 9:49:44pm

Oh well. Time to check out. I guess an answer to my wondering where the Oakland protester guy said at Greenwald’s they were going to shoot cops will come in time. Or maybe not.

Take care lizard people.

131 Kragar  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 10:44:17pm
132 Kragar  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 10:50:09pm

The 4 basic firearms safety rules:

1) Treat every weapon as if it were loaded
2) Never point the weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot
3) Keep the weapon on safe until you intend to fire
4) Keep your finger off the trigger until you intend to fire

Pointing a gun at your own head and pulling the trigger to prove the weapon is safe is right out.

133 Single-handed sailor  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 10:52:45pm

re: #132 Kragar

“I guess that was a double action semi-automatic.”

134 Kragar  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 10:54:38pm

re: #133 Single-handed sailor

“I guess that was a double action semi-automatic.”

If you’re dumb enough to shoot yourself in the head proving a gun was safe, I think the world should be grateful you didn’t kill anyone else thru your stupidity.

I mean, FUCK, how in the hell do you… I just can’t fucking fathom it.

135 TedStriker  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 11:03:07pm

re: #134 Kragar

If you’re dumb enough to shoot yourself in the head proving a gun was safe, I think the world should be grateful you didn’t kill anyone else thru your stupidity.

I mean, FUCK, how in the hell do you… I just can’t fucking fathom it.

I believe there was alcohol involved as well.

136 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 11:05:07pm

re: #135 TedStriker

I believe there was alcohol involved as well.

Yes.

The victim’s girlfriend, with whom he shared a residence in Independence Township, told authorities he had been drinking before the incident.

137 Kragar  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 11:07:17pm

re: #135 TedStriker

I believe there was alcohol involved as well.

I’ve been drunk too, but I never thought pointing a gun at my head was a thing to do.

138 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:09:53am

re: #137 Kragar

I’ve been drunk too, but I never thought pointing a gun at my head was a thing to do.

Well, this guy was apparently a couple of cans short of a six-pack…

139 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:11:13am

re: #131 Kragar

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And the Darwin Award goes to…

140 Lidane  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:30:36am
141 dr. luba  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:31:41am

From a FB friend today:

я родилась в Донецке и выросла в Донецкой области, живу в Луганской… Не хочу, чтобы тень януковича и ПР пятнали весь Донбасс, простой народ! В семье не без уродов! не режьте по живому, не делите Украину! 20 лет назад мы родили и вырастили новое украинское поколение, которое, слава Богу толком даже не знает, что такое СССР и Ленин. На них вся надежда, они - наше будущее! Благодаря им, только сейчас стало возможным это историческое переломное начало новой Украины!

I was born and grew up in donetsk state, and live in Luhansk. I do not want he shadow of Yanukovych and the Party of Regions to hang over the ordinary people there. Every family has freaks. Do not cut live flesh, do not divide Ukraine. 20 years back we gave birth and raised a new generation who, thank god, do not know what the USSR and Lenin were. On them lie all our hopes, they are our future. Thanks to them, only now was it possible to have this historic breakthrough and the beginning of a new Ukraine.

That’s it, to the best of my translation. My Russian is weak, better with Ukrainian. This is a friend who lives in the farthest east city in Ukraine. And her sentiments are fairly common there. Even my first cousin in Donetsk is happy to be rid of Yanukovych.

142 Amory Blaine  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:52:28am
143 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:01:00am

You do know that “legally blind” doesn’t mean that this guy is totally blind, don’t you?

Does anyone know if there was testimony about the state of his vision?

This guy has some vision and used “blindness” as an excuse to get off a murder charge. I don’t think we’ve heard the last of him.

I’d bet my life on it.

144 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:24:10am

re: #143 Justanotherhuman

Maybe a run for office, state house maybe? It is Florida after all.

145 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:48:53am

Not Supposed To Be A How-To Guide


Great book though. Anyone who hasn’t read Chester Hines should, he’s a balls-out trippy writer.

146 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:56:01am

The same judge is the one who released him on the SYG law. Was the judge swayed by Rogers” claim of blindness as well? Did he feel sympathy for his condition as a mitigating circumstance, or was it simply more SYG bullshit? The departed was an invited guest who was having a good time and didn’t want to leave, so Rogers just made him leave permanently.

“Rogers was freed from Seminole County Jails on January 9, 2014, mere hours after Circuit Judge John Galluzzo granted his “Stand Your Ground” motion.”

rawstory.com

If this guy is receiving disability benefits, he needs to be reviewed since witnesses say he can see. Back in the ’80s, I worked at a bank and we had a blind guy working in IT using special equipment. What’s Rogers’ excuse for not working for 13 yrs? If he can see well enough to kill someone, he ought to be able to do some kind of work, and therefore trainable. After all, employers make accommodations all the time for disabled workers—it’s the law, too.

He also has a history of violence, so with him, it’s just a matter of time, esp with his drinking, before he harms someone else, either by beating them up or shooting them. He’s a menace to society as it is, not a SYG hero of any sort.

If this guy has any “friends” left, that would be the real news, because he can see well enough to kill someone and obviously won’t hesitate to do it.

I don’t think FL has the guts to deny this guy a license to own guns. But if you have to get a license to own a gun, then isn’t that more of a privilege than a right? You see where the gun nuts are going with this, don’t you? They know this, and that’s why they keep beating the 2nd Amendment to death for owning weapons as a “right”.

I’ll bet FL won’t give Rogers a license to drive. Driving is considered a privilege for which you have to be licensed, too. So—why one license and not the other?

147 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:58:24am

SYG says that you just have to be able to demonstrate that you “felt threatened”…and if you leave no living witnesses, there is nobody to dispute your testimony.

What is it going to take to get these laws overtuned?

148 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:02:55am

re: #147 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

SYG says that you just have to be able to demonstrate that you “felt threatened”…and if you leave no living witnesses, there is nobody to dispute your testimony.

What is it going to take to get these laws overtuned?

Best guess? A lawmaker or celebrity getting gunned down and the shooter using SYG as his defense.

149 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:04:26am

re: #147 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

SYG says that you just have to be able to demonstrate that you “felt threatened”…and if you leave no living witnesses, there is nobody to dispute your testimony.

Rogers is a bully, a big ex-Marine who obviously has issues. He beat up an ex-girlfriend and has a violent past of threatening at least one person with a gun. He appears to be a danger to others more than they are to him.

“Rogers, who was blinded in a work-related accident in 2001, has an extensive history of violence. In 2010, following another night of drinking, Rogers shot at his cousin and roommate, Michael Rogers, 15 times with a handgun. Michael Rogers was not shot, and John Rogers eventually plead no contest to one count of unlawfully displaying a firearm, for which he was placed on probation.

“That probation was revoked when, in 2011, he punched a woman, which led to him spending 71 days in jail on domestic violence charges. “

rawstory.com

150 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:24:09am

YanukovychLeaks National Project
A group investigating the documents found in Mezhihirya

Not exactly “leaks” but “finds”.

On Feb. 22, volunteer divers found nearly 200 folders of documents at a lake at the residence of former president of Ukraine. They had been thrown in the lake to destroy them as people were escaping the compound.

A group of journalists and activists has undertaken to rescue, systematize and investigate the enormous wealth of information about the former owners of the residence.

The recovered documents are being published on this website to make them available to journalists and citizens around the world.

The investigations based on these documents will also be published here and in Ukrainian media.

yanukovychleaks.org

151 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:33:16am


Euromaidan PR ‏@EuromaidanPR 3m

MPs in the Verkhovna rada debates now on the list of civil servants which should be send to Hague Tribunal |PR News #Ukraine #Euromaidan

152 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:47:00am
153 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:49:28am
154 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:53:27am

re: #99 Killgore Trout

BTW, Banished is an excellent city building/survival game. Indy title, you can’t go wrong for $20 on Steam. Highly recommended.

Seconded.

155 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:00:54am

Polish FM Sikorski takes a moment to remind folks of the Budapest Memorandum.

156 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:03:54am

re: #153 NJDhockeyfan

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Heh.

157 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:09:20am

“About time” said repeatedly…

158 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:09:34am

re: #156 Justanotherhuman

Heh.

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They have arrived!

159 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:11:49am

Or he could take a ride on a sub.

160 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:14:42am

re: #158 NJDhockeyfan

re: #159 NJDhockeyfan

How quaint.

161 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:18:01am

Please read.

Petitioning To journalists, commentators and analysts writing on the Ukrainian protest movement “EuroMaidan”

KYIV’S EUROMAIDAN IS A LIBERATIONIST AND NOT EXTREMIST MASS ACTION OF CIVIC DISOBEDIENCE

facebook.com

162 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:24:39am

re: #156 Justanotherhuman

Heh.

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And now I find myself curious as to whether or not the terms of the lease for that base would allow the new Ukrainian gov’t to tell Russia to GTFO.

163 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:28:19am

re: #162 Targetpractice

And now I find myself curious as to whether or not the terms of the lease for that base would allow the new Ukrainian gov’t to tell Russia to GTFO.

That would be amusing.

164 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:30:39am

re: #162 Targetpractice

And now I find myself curious as to whether or not the terms of the lease for that base would allow the new Ukrainian gov’t to tell Russia to GTFO.

Before voting on accession, Ukraine demanded from Russia, the USA, France and the United Kingdom a written statement that these powers undertook to extend the security guarantees to Ukraine. Instead security assurances to Ukraine (Ukraine published the documents as guarantees given to Ukraine[5]) were given on 5 December 1994 at a formal ceremony in Budapest (known as the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances[6]), may be summarized as follows: Russia, the UK and the USA undertake to respect Ukraine’s borders in accordance with the principles of the 1975 CSCE Final Act, to abstain from the use or threat of force against Ukraine, to support Ukraine where an attempt is made to place pressure on it by economic coercion, and to bring any incident of aggression by a nuclear power before the UN Security Council.

(snip)

“James Sherr, a fellow at the Russian and Eurasian program at London-based think tank Chatham House, and key Western expert on Ukraine and Russia described Russia’s conduct during the 17 December 2013 Ukrainian-Russian action plan as violating the Budapest Memorandum through means of economic coercion, stating “Coercion does not show respect for sovereignty. It is a violation of sovereignty. A number of European leaders are as persuaded as I am that Russia employed economic coercion.”[11]

en.wikipedia.org

165 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:33:49am

re: #162 Targetpractice

I doubt that very highly; in any event, the new Ukrainian government does need to honor the terms of the treaty (until 2042) unless Russia does something that violates the terms of that treaty, which would nullify it. By that, I mean Russia attempting to annex Crimea back into Russia.

Such a move on the part of the Russians would - and must be - wholly unacceptable.

There’s a good article I was reading, which I’ll link to; it notes that despite appearances of great strength, when one looks behind the curtain with a sharp eye, Russia is actually a power in decline, and one of the things that has the Kremlin so very nervous is that events in Ukraine have served to highlight that fact, something Moscow very much wants to keep concealed.

carnegieeurope.eu

166 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:34:36am
167 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:36:45am

re: #162 Targetpractice

And now I find myself curious as to whether or not the terms of the lease for that base would allow the new Ukrainian gov’t to tell Russia to GTFO.

Doubt it

Could you see the Castro regime telling the US what to do on the base at Guantanamo Bay???
A Russian base would likewise be under Russian sovereignity

168 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:38:46am

We don’t need more gun laws, we need to enforce the ones already aready have

169 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:40:01am
Imagine thirty years from now that the majority of people in the United employed in jobs the way we’ve traditionally known them to be. In this could easily work in a building uptown for company A for two hours, downtown for another two hours for company B. On the following day, for several different projects totaling four hours of your time. You have no work and are in constant hustle mode to seek opportunities. This be the norm. Today, contingency work that reduces one’s labor to the tasks fulfill rather than the value of the whole individual is seen in many low-domestic care, retail work and the restaurant industry. In the future, could used to manage the work of lawyers, accountants and government workers, as well?
170 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:40:14am

That idiotic meme from last night has gone viral.

171 Amory Blaine  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:41:03am

The best thing about 3rd shift are the morning cocktails. The only acceptable excuse you can use to drink at 6 am, lest you be labelled a raging alcoholic.

172 Amory Blaine  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:42:27am

re: #170 Pie-onist Overlord

I hope he’s held to it.

173 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:43:13am

re: #171 Amory Blaine

The best thing about 3rd shift are the morning cocktails. The only acceptable excuse you can use to drink at 6 am, lest you be labelled a raging alcoholic.

heh. I’ve been doing overnights for 4+ months now (my turn on the rotating schedule,,, 10 p.m. till 10.a.m.)


On my “Fridays” on the way home Mrs Satty meets me at a local 24 hour diner. I start my meal with either a Bloody Mary or Mimosa

174 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:43:14am
Rogers claimed that he asked Dewitt and DeWitt’s girlfriend, Christina Ann Robertson, to leave after the trio returned from a 10 a.m. beer run. DeWitt refused, Rogers testified, so Rogers went into his bedroom and retrieved his rifle. When he returned to the living room, DeWitt charged him, and Rogers shot him in the chest.

I thought the mixture of alcohol and guns was also illegal?

has this already been covered?

175 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:44:21am
That probation was revoked when, in 2011, he punched a woman, which led to him spending 71 days in jail on domestic violence charges.

same link as above

176 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:44:41am
177 Amory Blaine  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:45:52am

re: #173 sattv4u2

Yeah I don’t really “drink” (too much) just funny to crack a cold one when everyone’s eating breakfast.

178 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:49:14am

HURR HURR!!!! TEH WALTONS IS UR OVERLORDS!!!!! THEY DESERVE ALL TEH MONEYS!!!!!!

179 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:49:33am

re: #170 Pie-onist Overlord

That idiotic meme from last night has gone viral.

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The sign might be honest if it read “In order to ensure our profit margins and to bilk our patients for as much as possible, this asshole will not accept insurance from any poor patients.”

180 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:52:39am

heh…

181 Amory Blaine  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:54:24am

Adam Smith, Thomas Jefferson, and other fellow travelers

If there was one thing the Revolutionary generation agreed on — and those guys who dress up like them at Tea Party conventions most definitely do not — it was the incompatibility of democracy and inherited wealth.

With Thomas Jefferson taking the lead in the Virginia legislature in 1777, every Revolutionary state government abolished the laws of primogeniture and entail that had served to perpetuate the concentration of inherited property. Jefferson cited Adam Smith, the hero of free market capitalists everywhere, as the source of his conviction that (as Smith wrote, and Jefferson closely echoed in his own words), “A power to dispose of estates for ever is manifestly absurd. The earth and the fulness of it belongs to every generation, and the preceding one can have no right to bind it up from posterity. Such extension of property is quite unnatural.” Smith said: “There is no point more difficult to account for than the right we conceive men to have to dispose of their goods after death.”

182 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:55:29am

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh…

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I hear he’s leaving due to illness

The viewers got sick of him!!!

(I’ll be here all week,, try the veal ,, and tip your waiters)

183 chadu  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:58:20am

re: #178 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!! TEH WALTONS IS UR OVERLORDS!!!!! THEY DESERVE ALL TEH MONEYS!!!!!!

Inheriting money is not a crime or dishonest. Someone worked to build the inheritance. Liberals want you to think otherwise.

Yeah, “someone.” Not the inheritor.

Which is “more legal or honest,” then: someone working to build an inheritance, or someone not working and getting a handout inheritance as a gift?

What’s the difference between inheritance and welfare (other than time-shifting when the money’s earned, a la taping/DVRing a TV show or movie)?

184 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:58:20am

re: #170 Pie-onist Overlord

That idiotic meme from last night has gone viral.

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Just say you get your insurance from Affordable Care Act and you’re all good. Seriously, they’ve polled people telling them what ACA is and calling it ACA and large numbers approve. You call it Obamacare though and that’s when it starts to get ugly. Of course, a lot of people in the latter actually think Obama himself came up with the Obamacare monicker.

185 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:58:20am

186 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:58:51am

Westerners like to think it’s only one individual who always makes a difference (our “rugged individualism”); Ukrainians would no doubt give this young man plenty of credit, and, yes, it was a moving, articulate expression of hope for the future of all Ukrainians, but it is a mass movement, not a Glenn Greenwald enterprise.

187 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:59:01am

re: #183 chadu

Yeah, “someone.” Not the inheritor.

Which is “more legal or honest,” then: someone working to build an inheritance, or someone not working and getting a handout inheritance as a gift?

What’s the difference between inheritance and welfare (other than time-shifting when the money’s earned, a la taping/DVRing a TV show or movie)?

Good luck getting a straight answer on that.

188 chadu  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:59:52am

re: #179 Targetpractice

The sign might be honest if it read “In order to ensure our profit margins and to bilk our patients for as much as possible, this asshole will not accept insurance from any poor patients.”

But the profit margins/bilking will only happen on the extant, smaller number of patients he has, rather than the larger pool that the ACA grants access to.

Greed: UR DOIN IT WRONGZ.

189 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:01:23am

I’d like to see them defend with a straight face why it should be okay for an insurer to deny coverage to someone because of a condition they can’t control. That’s been my big problem with the REPEAL ACA NOW CROWD. What they want to return us to sucks. ACA isn’t perfect but it’s better than what the past was.

190 Amory Blaine  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:02:17am

Ha ha Rob Ford in the big top on the Today show.

Youtube Video

191 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:03:40am

re: #188 chadu

But the profit margins/bilking will only happen on the extant, smaller number of patients he has, rather than the larger pool that the ACA grants access to.

Greed: UR DOIN IT WRONGZ.

That’s the reality of it, cutting off his nose to spite his face. For years now, critics of Medicare have charged that doctors were refusing to take new patients or dropping existing ones because it reimburses based upon what the government bean-counters think a procedure/treatment should cost rather than what the hospital wants to charge. So now that the insurance companies offering plans through the ACA have to abide by the same rules, the hospitals are screaming “Fine then, we just won’t take them either!”

Only an idiot thinks that hospitals can get by on non-subsidized insurance holders.

192 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:04:32am

HURR HURR!!!!! TEH FETUS IS MOAR LIFE THEN TEH WOMAN HOSTING SERVICE!!!!!!1!!! AND MATT BARBERS HAS TEH MOAST GODWIN POINTS!!!!!!!

193 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:06:08am
To admit otherwise, that men are in charge of themselves, would open up the door to forbidden topics, like how it may not actually be necessary to police women’s sexuality under the guise of controlling men. It might even require admitting to having entertained the feminist thought that women might actually be oppressed and that they do not actually have all the power to control male behavior just by being modest and chaste.

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194 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:06:15am

re: #192 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!! TEH FETUS IS MOAR LIFE THEN TEH WOMAN HOSTING SERVICE!!!!!!1!!! AND MATT BARBERS HAS TEH MOAST GODWIN POINTS!!!!!!!

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How about you actually work to prevent the conditions that lead to women choosing to get abortions in the first place Matt rather than being a pathetic doucher? Oh wait, that’s your job title.

195 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:08:11am

I fixed Matt Barber’s “SOMEBODY ELSE’S BODY” graphic.

196 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:11:01am

re: #192 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!! TEH FETUS IS MOAR LIFE THEN TEH WOMAN HOSTING SERVICE!!!!!!1!!! AND MATT BARBERS HAS TEH MOAST GODWIN POINTS!!!!!!!

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If life begins at conception, does that also mean that those women qualify for child tax credits? And if they should imbibe alcohol, smoke a cigarette, or partake in risky behavior before finding out they’re pregnant, wouldn’t that technically be child abuse/endangerment? Should we begin to monitor all girls and women from the moment they have their first period til menopause? This whole idea that life is so precious at conception that abortion should be outlawed as “murder” starts us on a slippery slope the likes of which would make even Orwell scream “JESUS!”

197 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:12:59am

re: #196 Targetpractice

If life begins at conception, does that also mean that those women qualify for child tax credits? And if they should imbibe alcohol, smoke a cigarette, or partake in risky behavior before finding out they’re pregnant, wouldn’t that technically be child abuse/endangerment? Should we begin to monitor all girls and women from the moment they have their first period til menopause? This whole idea that life is so precious at conception that abortion should be outlawed as “murder” starts us on a slippery slope the likes of which would make even Orwell would scream “JESUS!”

Also, all their propaganda shows a full-term pregnant woman. If a pregnancy has to be terminated at that late stage it is usually done by DELIVERY OF A LIVE INFANT.

198 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:13:29am

WHUT

199 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:13:57am

People like Barber talk about how they believe in life but then they want to gut programs that helps that life live.

200 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:15:33am

re: #199 HappyWarrior

People like Barber talk about how they believe in life but then they want to gut programs that helps that life live.

And no doubt he also supports capital punishment.

201 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:16:36am

Until a child is viable outside its mother, I see that choice as the mother’s.

I think it is an undesireable alternative but do not equate it to murder or any other sort of crime.

202 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:16:40am

re: #200 Targetpractice

And no doubt he also supports capital punishment.

and has never met a war he hasn’t liked especially when it involves killing the unholy.

203 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:16:43am

re: #200 Targetpractice

And no doubt he also supports capital punishment.

And “Stand Your Ground”

204 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:17:56am

re: #196 Targetpractice

If life begins at conception, does that also mean that those women qualify for child tax credits? And if they should imbibe alcohol, smoke a cigarette, or partake in risky behavior before finding out they’re pregnant, wouldn’t that technically be child abuse/endangerment? Should we begin to monitor all girls and women from the moment they have their first period til menopause? This whole idea that life is so precious at conception that abortion should be outlawed as “murder” starts us on a slippery slope the likes of which would make even Orwell scream “JESUS!”

Well, there are those in some Southern States who have proposed legislation to have every miscarriage report to the police for investigation as a possble abortion.

One South American Country already jails women (poor women) for miscarriages —assuming it was an abortion.

205 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:19:01am

re: #201 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

Until a child is viable outside its mother, I see that choice as the mother’s.

I think it is an undesireable alternative but do not equate it to murder or any other sort of crime.

Here lies a gray area. Many a fetus can live outside the mother with A MILLIION DOLLARS of care in the hospital. Who is going to pay? Who is going to be responsible for that child?

206 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:19:42am

re: #198 Pie-onist Overlord

WHUT

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What war is that? I thought the Fundies liked the Orthodox Christians since they share a lot of common ground when it comes to hating gay and all things secular.

207 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:20:00am

re: #193 FemNaziBitch

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The more I read that article, the harder it is to see fundamentalist Christians in this nation as any different than the fucking Taliban. At this point, the only difference is that the fundies here haven’t started condemning rape victims to stoning…yet.

208 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:20:28am

re: #207 Targetpractice

The more I read that article, the harder it is to see fundamentalist Christians in this nation as any different than the fucking Taliban. At this point, the only difference is that the fundies here haven’t started condemning rape victims to stoning…yet.

Christian Taliban.

209 A Mom Anon  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:20:48am

re: #191 Targetpractice

That doctor’s office with the sign (and how do we know it’s for reals anyway?) is run by idiots, a sure sign to find another doctor.

So, let’s just say I get me some Obamacare. I’m going to be paying an insurance company premiums every month and they are going to send me an insurance card from said insurance company. No one is going to have a clue where or how I got my insurance, only the company I got it from.

Do these idiots have two brain cells that touch? FFS.

210 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:20:52am

LOLWHUT? Glenn making fun of “Paypal funded websites”?

211 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:21:36am

re: #208 FemNaziBitch

Christian Taliban.

I used to think that phrase was hyperbolic but I’ll be damned if they haven’t proven themselves akin to the Taliban with their actions and rhetoric. Things like the Arizona legislation and the general shaming of women.

212 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:22:09am

Little girl dog had another seizure last night. $600 of tests last week after her first seizure came up with nothing. She went hunting on Sunday and had a blast.

We were hoping it was a one-time thing.

Not doing an MRI —if it is a brain tumor/cancer we wouldn’t treat.

213 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:22:20am

I have to stick a fist in my mouth so I don’t LOL at that Glenn Tweet.

214 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:22:24am

re: #209 A Mom Anon

Do these idiots have two brain cells that touch? FFS.

It is all about posturing and grandstanding.

215 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:23:01am

re: #211 HappyWarrior

I used to think that phrase was hyperbolic but I’ll be damned if they haven’t proven themselves akin to the Taliban with their actions and rhetoric. Things like the Arizona legislation and the general shaming of women.

I think I’ve been saying it since February 12, 2013 when I had that moment of clarity and all things became evident to me. … .

see my avatar.

216 Amory Blaine  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:23:51am

Where my mother ended up working until retirement, she was one of the first women there. They didn’t even have women’s rooms in the buildings.

217 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:23:57am

re: #198 Pie-onist Overlord

WHUT

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They probably got that from this:

wikileaks.org

I haven’t seen any biographical info on Turchynov that would support that claim.

Which also leads me to believe that a large part of Wikileaks may be bullshit as well.

218 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:24:15am

re: #214 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

It is all about posturing and grandstanding.

It’s about greed, pure and simple. The ACA is built to bring down the cost of health care, and part of that is restricting reimbursement in order to discourage hospitals from running up the bill with unnecessary tests or charging patients more because they have insurance than they would if paid in cash. The hospitals are responding by throwing a hissy fit and swearing that they won’t accept “Obamacare.”

219 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:24:19am

Naw, I’ll just post it again

THE NAIL

the day my life changed and my purpose became clear to me. STOP THE CHRISTIAN TALIBAN.

220 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:25:55am

221 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:26:38am

222 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:26:49am

re: #212 FemNaziBitch

Little girl dog had another seizure last night. $600 of tests last week after her first seizure came up with nothing. She went hunting on Sunday and had a blast.

We were hoping it was a one-time thing.

Not doing an MRI —if it is a brain tumor/cancer we wouldn’t treat.

We once had a beagle who had seizures (he was a street rescue). Vet said it might have been either genetic from inbreeding or he might have been hit by a vehicle.

223 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:27:49am

re: #215 FemNaziBitch

I think I’ve been saying it since February 12, 2013 when I had that moment of clarity and all things became evident to me. … .

see my avatar.

Right on, yeah that was a pretty pathetic moment. For me, it was more a sort of evolution of events. The rise of people in politics who really do genuinely seem to think that this nation is only for Evangelical Christians though and who want the state to allow them to persecute gays, women, etc was it for me.

224 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:28:34am
225 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:30:52am

re: #224 FemNaziBitch

Polio-like illness seen in up to 25 California children

“Polio-like symptoms” but not polio—all these kids were vaccinated, so it’s not some outbreak among anti-vaxxers.

Environmental toxic reaction?

226 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:30:53am

And it’s not simply Christian universities that are pulling this bit about women being somehow to blame for being raped. We had Republican lawmakers sitting in Congress and suggesting aloud that the reason for such a hit rate of sexual harassment and assault in the military was because “men can’t control themselves.” That the fault was with women being in the military at all rather than the military excusing the behavior and covering it up from civilian authorities.

227 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:31:05am
228 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:31:38am

re: #222 Justanotherhuman

We once had a beagle who had seizures (he was a street rescue). Vet said it might have been either genetic from inbreeding or he might have been hit by a vehicle.

Spaniels can be quirky —bad inbreeding in this country. Our breed has a problem with seizures tho —there is a concern in England as well. We had one girl that had brain cancer —and my little girl has a 1/2 sister with seizures as well. Her owner also hasn’t done an MRI for the same reasons as us. She is on Pheno and it has helped.

What is so awful is that they basically feel as tho they have been hit in the head by a boxer (athlete, not dog) and don’t know why. The other dogs are freaked as well.

I don’t have an unlimited budget for diagnosis … .

229 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:32:01am

re: #227 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

anti vax attack?

Something else—all the patients were vaccinated against polio.

230 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:32:04am

re: #226 Targetpractice

And it’s not simply Christian universities that are pulling this bit about women being somehow to blame for being raped. We had Republican lawmakers sitting in Congress and suggesting aloud that the reason for such a hit rate of sexual harassment and assault in the military was because “men can’t control themselves.” That the fault was with women being in the military at all rather than the military excusing the behavior and covering it up from civilian authorities.

If you accept the view that women are chattels whose virtue is to be protected by the head of their family until they are given in marriage, then this line of thinking seems logical.

231 Amory Blaine  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:32:49am

Rob Ford looks lit.

232 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:33:33am

re: #184 HappyWarrior

Just say you get your insurance from Affordable Care Act and you’re all good. Seriously, they’ve polled people telling them what ACA is and calling it ACA and large numbers approve. You call it Obamacare though and that’s when it starts to get ugly. Of course, a lot of people in the latter actually think Obama himself came up with the Obamacare monicker.

You don’t even say that. You say you have Blue Cross/Aetna/Humana or a dozen others. Because that’s what you have. The government might or might not have helped you buy it through ACA. This is different if you live in a Medicaid extension state. Then you have Medicaid or the state’s name for it.

233 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:33:38am

re: #226 Targetpractice

And it’s not simply Christian universities that are pulling this bit about women being somehow to blame for being raped. We had Republican lawmakers sitting in Congress and suggesting aloud that the reason for such a hit rate of sexual harassment and assault in the military was because “men can’t control themselves.” That the fault was with women being in the military at all rather than the military excusing the behavior and covering it up from civilian authorities.

or Republican senate candidates talking about “legitimate rape” and pregnancy from rape being a blessing from God. I don’t worry about Shariah law, I sure as hell do worry about Fundamentalist Christians though since they’ve got boatloads of politicians that share their twisted worldview.

234 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:33:59am

re: #226 Targetpractice

And it’s not simply Christian universities that are pulling this bit about women being somehow to blame for being raped. We had Republican lawmakers sitting in Congress and suggesting aloud that the reason for such a hit rate of sexual harassment and assault in the military was because “men can’t control themselves.” That the fault was with women being in the military at all rather than the military excusing the behavior and covering it up from civilian authorities.

That doesn’t explain the amount of men that are raped in the military.

My current line is that it is a shame that a “few predators are causing people to lose trust our great military”. It seems to make the wingnuts pay attention.

As with bullies, when people remain silent or turn their heads, the predators win.

235 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:34:13am

re: #232 Decatur Deb

You don’t even say that. You say you have Blue Cross/Aetna/Humana or a dozen others. Because that’s what you have. The government might or might not have helped you buy it through ACA. This is different if you live in a Medicaid extension state. Then you have Medicaid or the state’s name for it.

I know, I was busting on the fact that people like ACA and Obamacare has more divisiveness.

236 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:35:29am

re: #234 FemNaziBitch

That doesn’t explain the amount of men that are raped in the military.

My current line is that it is a shame that a “few predators are causing people to lose trust our great military”. It seems to make the wingnuts pay attention.

As with bullies, when people remain silent or turn their heads, the predators win.

The military, like the Vatican, is an authoritarian, top-down organization. Which means that all responsibility must also flow directly to the top. That is why they are hesitant to admit any wrongdoing to the outside world.

237 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:36:11am

re: #217 Justanotherhuman

Following up, it appears that he is a Baptist, but not a minister—not that kind, at least.

I found this article from the Kyiv Post from 2008 about his campaign for mayor; at the time it said he had been a Baptist for about 7 yrs, and there was criticism of his book being sold in the church he attended.

kyivpost.com

“Turchynov doesn’t smoke or drink. For seven years, he’s been a member of the Evangelical Christian-Baptist Church, which only allows a sip of wine during communion.”

238 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:36:34am

re: #218 Targetpractice

It’s about greed, pure and simple. The ACA is built to bring down the cost of health care, and part of that is restricting reimbursement in order to discourage hospitals from running up the bill with unnecessary tests or charging patients more because they have insurance than they would if paid in cash. The hospitals are responding by throwing a hissy fit and swearing that they won’t accept “Obamacare.”

Not here in Alabama. The local hospitals actually hired non-volunteer navigators to help people get ACA. That’s the only way to stop the cash hemorrhage from the emergency rooms. Two of my fellow volunteer navigators are semi-retired MDs.

239 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:37:06am

This made me smile.

240 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:39:19am

re: #239 Pie-onist Overlord

I believe that is from a German cartoonist.

241 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:40:04am

re: #239 Pie-onist Overlord

This made me smile.

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Hey, I love Led Zepplin.

242 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:40:32am

re: #239 Pie-onist Overlord

This made me smile.

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What? No fans of The Who?!?!

243 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:41:48am
244 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:41:56am

re: #242 William Barnett-Lewis

What? No fans of The Who?!?!

DOORS RULE!!!

245 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:42:33am

re: #210 Pie-onist Overlord

LOLWHUT? Glenn making fun of “Paypal funded websites”?

I think he’s referring to PayPal’s refusal to do business with Wikileaks, specifically to process donations for Julian Assange’s legal problems. Following the Chelsea Manning affair, the US government put pressure on PayPal and several banks not to accept money for Wikileaks. As to what that has to do with JustSikko’s website, I have no idea.

246 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:43:00am
Entitlement to dominate: “It’s the mindset of the dominant castes,” said a rights activist in New Delhi. “To them, raping a Dalit woman is not a sin.”

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247 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:43:47am
248 Amory Blaine  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:45:20am

Of course doctors should be paid well, that doesn’t mean we can’t start winding down the massive overhead we pay for reliance on the insurance industry.

249 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:46:37am

PUT ALL YOUR MONEY IN BITCOINS!

THE GOVERNMENT CAN’T CONTROL IT!

Bitcoin exchange Mt. Gox disappears in blow to virtual currency

TOKYO (Reuters) - Mt. Gox, once the world’s biggest bitcoin exchange, looked to have essentially disappeared on Tuesday, with its website down, its founder unaccounted for and a Tokyo office empty bar a handful of protesters saying they had lost money investing in the virtual currency.

The digital marketplace operator, which began as a venue for trading cards, had surged to the top of the bitcoin world, but critics - from rival exchanges to burned investors - said Mt. Gox had long been lax over its security.

It was not clear what has become of the exchange, which this month halted withdrawals indefinitely after detecting “unusual activity.” A global bitcoin organization referred to the exchange’s “exit,” while angry investors questioned whether it was still solvent.

A document circulating on the internet, and purporting to be a crisis plan for the exchange, said more than 744,000 bitcoins were “missing due to malleability-related theft”, and noted Mt. Gox had $174 million in liabilities against $32.75 million in assets. It was not possible to verify the document or the exchange’s financial situation.

250 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:46:38am

HURR HURR!!!!1!!!!

251 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:47:49am

re: #250 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!1!!!!

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What war is that? Not being intolerant assholes to them?

252 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:48:41am

What a fucking tool.

253 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:49:11am
254 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:49:23am

Pico is blocked now.

255 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:49:29am

Those aren’t the most diverse states though in the country. True, exempting Idaho, they all do have a sizable African-American community and both Texas/New Mexico include large Hispanic communities as well but to call them the most diverse in the nation and to claim that pointing out that some very red states are using a lot on public assistance isn’t racist. It’s in fact pointing out the hypocrisy of red staters to accuse blue states and blue state residents of mooching off the public which is obviously what the whole point was.

256 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:50:03am

re: #252 Pie-onist Overlord

What a fucking tool.

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A quote that is reported second-hand in a book written years after the CRA was signed, with nobody but the author willing to go on record as having heard LBJ say that.

257 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:50:38am

Yep the old LBJ quote. Hey dipshti conservatives, if you guys cared so much about Civil Rights, why did you nominate Goldwater in ‘64 and why did Nixon go to Strom Thurmond for support in ‘68? Those aren’t the actions of a party that values Civil Rights.

258 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:51:56am

re: #210 Pie-onist Overlord

LOLWHUT? Glenn making fun of “Paypal funded websites”?

I forgot about this part. Pierre Omidyar, who’s funding GG’s vanity website, is one of the founders of PayPal. There have been allegations that the Snowden documents show PayPal was helping the NSA collect information, and that GG is withholding those documents. GG denies this, of course.

my.firedoglake.com

259 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:53:32am

re: #255 HappyWarrior

Those aren’t the most diverse states though in the country. True, exempting Idaho, they all do have a sizable African-American community and both Texas/New Mexico include large Hispanic communities as well but to call them the most diverse in the nation and to claim that pointing out that some very red states are using a lot on public assistance isn’t racist. It’s in fact pointing out the hypocrisy of red staters to accuse blue states and blue state residents of mooching off the public which is obviously what the whole point was.

Just did a quick check of the census (pdf file). The west has the largest proportion of hispanic and minority population. The south has the largest absolute number. State by state breakdown at the link, page 18.

260 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:53:49am

re: #256 Targetpractice

A quote that is reported second-hand in a book written years after the CRA was signed, with nobody but the author willing to go on record as having heard LBJ say that.

You know what even if he did that say that, let’s look at reality here. 1964, the Republicans nominated one of the few people in their party who voted against the bill for president, 1968 Richard Nixon embraces Strom Thurmond and the Southern Strategy, 1980 Reagan gives a speech on “states rights” where three Civil Rights workers were kidnapped and later murdered, 1988 the Willie Horton Ad, and 2000 Bush takes some heat from having spoken at Bob Jones University which had only recently repealed a ban on interracial dating. There’s a reason why African Americans dislike and distrust the Republican Party and it wasn’t because of “free stuff” it was in large part because the Republicans went out of their way to transform from once being the party of Lincoln to the party of the people he opposed.

261 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:54:16am
262 Amory Blaine  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:54:22am

All these forms we fill out, the members handbooks we get, the yearly changes in plans are all meaningless bullshit that wastes everyone’s time and money.

263 steve_davis  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:56:41am

re: #27 nines09

If ever I saw an Onion headline…………….That would be it.
His aim is getting better is spot on also as I read, “Four years ago, Rogers was accused of shooting at his cousin.” End quote. Yep. Can’t wait until he gets that red dot scope, can you?

at 18 inches, even a squirrel can be found by a blind nut.

264 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:56:41am

re: #225 Pie-onist Overlord

The polio-like symptoms appear to be some kind of virus that is similar to polio. Speculation that the outbreak is an enterovirus, and further testing is needed to confirm.

There are a couple of enteroviruses that could be in play, including one that has been previously identified as one that could cause neurological problems, including paralysis.

Enterovirus is often the cause of “summer colds,” whose cases spike in July, August and September. Children and teens are more likely to fall ill because they have not yet built up immunity to these common viruses.

However, some types of enterovirus are more serious. These can cause hand, foot and mouth disease; viral meningitis; encephalitis (inflammation of the brain); an infection of the heart; and paralysis in some patients.
Enterovirus 68 was first identified in a California lab in 1962, after four children came down with a severe respiratory illness. Between 1970 and 2005, only 26 cases of enterovirus 68 in the United States were reported to the CDC. Since 2000, the government agency has kept a closer watch and has seen 47 cases, Oberste said. Outbreaks have occurred over the years in Asia and Europe, but it’s still one of the rarest types of enterovirus.

More common — and more concerning to health officials — is enterovirus 71, which was discovered by the same California lab in 1969, Oberste said. Enterovirus 71 is usually associated with severe neurological issues, including aseptic meningitis, polio-like paralysis and encephalitis. Waubant is not sure if the samples from this latest group of patients were tested for enterovirus 71.

According to a CDC report, several outbreaks of paralysis caused by enterovirus 71 were seen in Europe in the 1960s and 1970s. In the late 1990s and early 2000s, fatal encephalitis was a big problem in Malaysia and Taiwan.

265 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:57:41am
266 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:58:49am

re: #255 HappyWarrior

Those aren’t the most diverse states though in the country. True, exempting Idaho, they all do have a sizable African-American community and both Texas/New Mexico include large Hispanic communities as well but to call them the most diverse in the nation and to claim that pointing out that some very red states are using a lot on public assistance isn’t racist. It’s in fact pointing out the hypocrisy of red staters to accuse blue states and blue state residents of mooching off the public which is obviously what the whole point was.

They are also amont the states that invest the least in an educated work force…

267 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:59:13am

re: #249 Targetpractice

See my page.

268 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:59:22am

re: #266 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

They are also amont the states that invest the least in an educated work force…

Good point.

269 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:59:30am

re: #235 HappyWarrior

I know, I was busting on the fact that people like ACA and Obamacare has more divisiveness.

We discuss the terminology even within our group. When we’re doing outreach, it’s very difficult not to use ‘Obamacare’—people just don’t know what we’re saying otherwise. I use ‘Obamacare”, and if a lefty objects I tell them the GOP will be proud to claim inventing it in 5 years.

270 Amory Blaine  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:02:36am

It’s nice to know that 20-30% of the compensation I get at work in the form of health insurance is given to people who are actively looking for ways to not pay out.

271 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:04:11am

re: #270 Amory Blaine

It’s nice to know that 20-30% of the compensation I get at work in the form of health insurance is given to people who are actively looking for ways to not pay out.

Be quiet, churl, and thank your gods the boss doesn’t pay in Bitcoin.

272 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:13:06am

Am I supposed to be shocked that currency speculators and others are losing their shirts over Bitcoin as one of the exchanges has gone dark with no explanation? Mt. Gox is disappeared - as is its founder.

The website of Tokyo-based Mt. Gox was returning a blank page Tuesday. The disappearance of the site follows the resignation Sunday of Mt. Gox CEO Mark Karpeles from the board of the Bitcoin Foundation, a group seeking legitimacy for the currency, and a withdrawal ban imposed at the exchange earlier this month.

Prominent members of the Bitcoin community — including San Francisco-based wallet service Coinbase and Chinese exchange BTC China — sought to shore up confidence in the currency by saying Mt. Gox’s collapse was an isolated case of mismanagement. They said it had abused users’ trust, but did not offer details on how.

“As with any new industry, there are certain bad actors that need to be weeded out, and that is what we are seeing today,” the statement said.

Documents purportedly leaked from the company lay out the scale of the problem. An 11-page “Crisis Strategy Draft” published on the blog of entrepreneur and Bitcoin enthusiast Ryan Selkis says that 740,000 bitcoins are missing from Mt. Gox, which roughly translates to hundreds of millions of dollars’ worth of losses, although figures are fuzzy given Bitcoin’s extreme volatility.

It’s a virtual currency with no safety net. And there’s no current regulations in place. States and countries are looking at ways to regulate the currency exchanges, as well as setting up rules to deal with whether the sale/exchange is a taxable event (for sales tax purposes) or whether it is subject to capital gains taxes or other taxing basis.

That one of the biggest sites disappeared without a trace shows just how risky these sites are, but expect the usual suspects (DudeBros among them) to complain that regulatory oversight undermines the purpose of the Bitcoin (to have anonymity - itself laughable considering that you’re required to provide more ID than if you were using plain old American cash).

273 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:14:10am

re: #269 Decatur Deb

We discuss the terminology even within our group. When we’re doing outreach, it’s very difficult not to use ‘Obamacare’—people just don’t know what we’re saying otherwise. I use ‘Obamacare”, and if a lefty objects I tell them the GOP will be proud to claim inventing it in 5 years.

Yeah true points.

274 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:14:19am
275 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:18:47am

re: #272 lawhawk

“… although figures are fuzzy given Bitcoin’s extreme volatility.”

To say the least.

276 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:19:45am
Instead, Jindal said, Obama “seems to be waving the white flag of surrender” on the economy by focusing on raising the federal minimum wage to $10.10, up from $7.25. “The Obama economy is now the minimum wage economy. I think we can do better than that,” Jindal said.
277 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:19:58am

re: #275 Justanotherhuman

“… although figures are fuzzy given Bitcoin’s extreme volatility.”

To say the least.

Every currency is based on belief, the Bitcoin is based on a combination of belief, ideology and gullibility.

278 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:21:38am

re: #159 NJDhockeyfan

Or he could take a ride on a sub.

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Russia did just add a new-built Kilo-class to the Black Sea Fleet. They’re planning to add two more over the next 18-20 months. The old-kilo seen in that photo is to be dry-docked and overhauled now that a new one is in place and operational.

279 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:21:56am

re: #276 FemNaziBitch

How is raising the federal minimum wage at all raising the white flag of surernder, Jindal? You do realize that it was increased in the Clinton years during prosperous economic times. So, No, Bobby it’s not the minimum wage economy you shit.

280 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:22:24am

Wingnuts are pounding on my Congress representative because he called out the AFP on their bullshit.

281 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:22:28am

re: #147 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

SYG says that you just have to be able to demonstrate that you “felt threatened”…and if you leave no living witnesses, there is nobody to dispute your testimony.

What is it going to take to get these laws overtuned?

Sanity?

282 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:22:40am

re: #279 HappyWarrior

Don’t stop him, he’s on a roll.

283 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:22:40am

re: #276 FemNaziBitch

As he and the rest of the GOP want to water down the minimum wage and employment protections even further.

But when Gap and Walmart signal their intention to raise wages above the current mandated levels, that indicates that Jindal and the GOP are out of step.

284 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:22:45am

huffingtonpost.com
Pregnant women are “hosts” apparently.

285 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:22:46am

re: #277 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Every currency is based on belief, the Bitcoin is based on a combination of belief, ideology and gullibility.

Well, technically, the US dollar is based on a belief … .faith and trust of the people of the US.

England, IIRC, is still backed by the land of England itself (theorectically).

286 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:23:42am

re: #279 HappyWarrior

How is raising the federal minimum wage at all raising the white flag of surernder, Jindal? You do realize that it was increased in the Clinton years during prosperous economic times. So, No, Bobby it’s not the minimum wage economy you shit.

Minimum wage is a symbol of “government interference in the labor market” and is being played as such. The fact that a lot of people earning the current minimum wage are receiving a subsidy in the form of food stamps does not enter into their line of argument.

287 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:23:45am

re: #284 HappyWarrior

huffingtonpost.com
Pregnant women are “hosts” apparently.

also Paged

288 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:24:03am

re: #283 lawhawk

As he and the rest of the GOP want to water down the minimum wage and employment protections even further.

But when Gap and Walmart signal their intention to raise wages above the current mandated levels, that indicates that Jindal and the GOP are out of step.

They want slaves.

289 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:24:10am

Another idiot:

290 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:24:43am

re: #288 FemNaziBitch

They want slaves.

If we abolish the minimum wage, we can have full employment!

291 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:24:57am

re: #288 FemNaziBitch

They want slaves.

Like a heat seeking missile you are heh. But dayum these guys suck.

292 Aqua Obama  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:25:01am

re: #249 Targetpractice

PUT ALL YOUR MONEY IN BITCOINS!

THE GOVERNMENT CAN’T CONTROL IT!

Bitcoin exchange Mt. Gox disappears in blow to virtual currency

293 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:25:07am

re: #288 FemNaziBitch

They want slaves.

In fact, they want every man and women to create a quiver full of them.

294 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:26:00am

re: #290 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

If we abolish the minimum wage, we can have full employment!

Then they would really need their Stand Your Ground laws to protect them from slave revolts.

295 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:26:59am

re: #276 FemNaziBitch

That’s a good line, derisive but not rabid. And raining on the Democratic governors’ parade was the sort of thing Jindal needs to do if he intends to run for president in 2016.

296 darthstar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:27:31am
297 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:27:51am

Pat Buchanan Says Conservative Christians Are True Victims in Arizona

hmmmm …

In an investigation last year, the Albuquerque Journal found that New Mexico ranks second in the nation for per capita deaths caused by child abuse.

298 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:29:03am

re: #295 Dark_Falcon

That’s a good line, derisive but not rabid. And raining on the Democratic governors’ parade was the sort of thing Jindal needs to do if he intends to run for president in 2016.

No, it’s not. It’s a dishonest line. We’ve increased the minimum wage in the past during times of economic prosperity. The reason why Obama and the governors want an increase in minimum wage is so more people can provide for their families and themselves and not have to be on the very government assistance that Jindal derides. Even big companies like Wal-Mart are coming out in favor of the increase. What does that tell you? Opposition to this isn’t about companies being able to afford it. It’s about refusal to believe that employees should get decent wages.

299 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:29:18am

re: #296 darthstar

Lincoln Logs???

And all this time I thought that’s what ole Abe left in the outhouse!!!

300 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:30:04am

re: #297 FemNaziBitch

Pat Buchanan Says Conservative Christians Are True Victims in Arizona

hmmmm …

Of course, America’s biggest fascist would say that. Yeah they’re victims because they can’t discriminate.

301 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:30:08am

re: #289 Pie-onist Overlord

Gee, people want to move away from cold weather states. It’s shocking. Shocking. In most cases, it’s got nothing to do with taxes, but the weather/climate.

Besides, NJ/NY, which are two of the high-tax states, have a higher percentage of millionaires than pretty much anywhere else in the nation, except MD and CT, both of which are high tax states. The other high tax states with high percentages of millionaires: MA, AK, HI, and NH. Other than AK, which uses oil revenues to offset need for personal income tax, the states with higher percentages of millionaires are high tax states.

washingtonpost.com

302 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:31:32am

re: #301 lawhawk

Gee, people want to move away from cold weather states. It’s shocking. Shocking. In most cases, it’s got nothing to do with taxes, but the weather/climate.

Besides, NJ/NY, which are two of the high-tax states, have a higher percentage of millionaires than pretty much anywhere else in the nation, except MD and CT, both of which are high tax states. The other high tax states with high percentages of millionaires: MA, AK, HI, and NH. Other than AK, which uses oil revenues to offset need for personal income tax, the states with higher percentages of millionaires are high tax states.

Is it just me or was the only state on there that had a large number of retirees, Florida and Arizona which has seen a huge rise in retirees as of late wasn’t.

304 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:32:58am

re: #300 HappyWarrior

Of course, America’s biggest fascist would say that. Yeah they’re victims because they can’t discriminate.

I guess the 4 month old baby is to blame because she allowed him to take off her diaper … .

305 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:33:44am

re: #301 lawhawk

Gee, people want to move away from cold weather states. It’s shocking. Shocking. In most cases, it’s got nothing to do with taxes, but the weather/climate.

They already made their money in states with thriving economies and are happy to move to states with a lower cost of living to stretch their pensions…

306 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:34:07am

re: #277 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Every currency is based on belief, the Bitcoin is based on a combination of belief, ideology and gullibility.

At least my dollars are backed up by the full faith and credit of the US govt, not some dudebro bitcoin traders. For now, that’s good enough for me.

Funny how they want real money for their “currency”, though.

307 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:34:33am

re: #302 HappyWarrior

Is it just me or was the only state on there that had a large number of retirees, Florida and Arizona which has seen a huge rise in retirees as of late wasn’t.

IIRC, Pennsylvania has the 2nd-highest retired population.

308 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:35:34am

re: #303 FemNaziBitch

Surprise, Breitbart Writer Does Not Know What ‘Orwellian’ Means, How To Read

It’s like a water well, but gives orl.

309 darthstar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:35:44am

Mornin’ everyone. As I was going to bed last night I noticed Bitcoin was taking a big shit on its investors.

Still under $500 this morning. I knew I should have bought at $1200.

310 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:36:11am

re: #307 Decatur Deb

IIRC, Pennsylvania has the 2nd-highest retired population.

Certainly up there.

311 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:36:12am

re: #305 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

That may be part of the reason, but then the percentages of millionaires per capita would be far higher in those states. Or, the per capita millionaires in those states would have been even lower but for the influx of snow-birds.

312 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:36:48am

re: #298 HappyWarrior

No, it’s not. It’s a dishonest line. We’ve increased the minimum wage in the past during times of economic prosperity. The reason why Obama and the governors want an increase in minimum wage is so more people can provide for their families and themselves and not have to be on the very government assistance that Jindal derides. Even big companies like Wal-Mart are coming out in favor of the increase. What does that tell you? Opposition to this isn’t about companies being able to afford it. It’s about refusal to believe that employees should get decent wages.

If Wal-Mart wants to increase the wages of its workers, good, more power to ‘em! But that doesn’t mean the increase must be or should be mandated by law.

313 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:37:50am

re: #312 Dark_Falcon

If Wal-Mart wants to increase the wages of its workers, good, more power to ‘em! But that doesn’t mean the increase must be or should be mandated by law.

We’ve already decided it should be mandated, now we’re haggling about the price.

314 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:39:53am

re: #295 Dark_Falcon

That’s a good line, derisive but not rabid. And raining on the Democratic governors’ parade was the sort of thing Jindal needs to do if he intends to run for president in 2016.

By GOP standards perhaps. The fact that it’s a total lie, rather mitigates against it. If the minimum wage is not enough to keep a family from needing food stamps and other welfare while working a 40 hour week, then the minimum wage is too low. Either the wage paid needs to be increased or the corporations need to pay sufficient taxes to pay for their government subsidized labor force. The current situation is unsustainable.

315 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:40:09am

re: #313 Decatur Deb

We’ve already decided it should be mandated, now we’re haggling about the price.

Who has decided? Not me.

316 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:40:20am

re: #311 lawhawk

That may be part of the reason, but then the percentages of millionaires per capita would be far higher in those states. Or, the per capita millionaires in those states would have been even lower but for the influx of snow-birds.

Those aren’t necessarily millionaires going there, those folks can afford a winter vacation or a second home in a warmer climate. i am talking about middle-class retirees who are sick of shoveling snow.

317 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:40:26am

re: #203 Pie-onist Overlord

And “Stand Your Ground”

Hmm. I just noticed that SYG would be a viable defense if you felt threatened by the religiousity of door-to-door preachers.
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318 b.d.  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:40:26am

re: #210 Pie-onist Overlord

LOLWHUT? Glenn making fun of “Paypal funded websites”?

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Greenwald is showing his snobbery again, this time it is against the group of people who are some of his more ardent backers?

319 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:41:16am

re: #312 Dark_Falcon

If Wal-Mart wants to increase the wages of its workers, good, more power to ‘em! But that doesn’t mean the increase must be or should be mandated by law.

If Wal-Mart is payiong sub-poverty wages and receiving an indirect subsidy in the form of Food Stamps, then the difference should be charged to them.

320 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:41:22am

re: #314 William Barnett-Lewis

By GOP standards perhaps. The fact that it’s a total lie, rather mitigates against it. If the minimum wage is not enough to keep a family from needing food stamps and other welfare while working a 40 hour week, then the minimum wage is too low. Either the wage paid needs to be increased or the corporations need to pay sufficient taxes to pay for their government subsidized labor force. The current situation is unsustainable.

Something of a shock to see the RW in a coordinated campaign to get the government to be co-employer of millions of Americans.

321 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:41:25am

re: #312 Dark_Falcon

If Wal-Mart wants to increase the wages of its workers, good, more power to ‘em! But that doesn’t mean the increase must be or should be mandated by law.

Then Jindal and many in your party shouldn’t complain if people who make less than that get government assistance. You can’t have a problem with the government mandating wages and then flip your shit when people who make that amount get help from the government.

322 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:41:59am

re: #314 William Barnett-Lewis

By GOP standards perhaps. The fact that it’s a total lie, rather mitigates against it. If the minimum wage is not enough to keep a family from needing food stamps and other welfare while working a 40 hour week, then the minimum wage is too low. Either the wage paid needs to be increased or the corporations need to pay sufficient taxes to pay for their government subsidized labor force. The current situation is unsustainable.

Said it better than I could, many thanks.

323 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:42:17am

re: #317 Feline Fearless Leader

Hmm. I just noticed that SYG would be a viable defense if you felt threatened by the religiousity of door-to-door preachers.
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Why not? They’re already puling guns on cookie salesgirls.

324 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:42:57am

re: #315 Dark_Falcon

Who has decided? Not me.

If you insist that employees are just another business expense to be minimized, like toner cartridges and staples, then that view is entirely consistent.

But toner cartridges do not require public aid when they are put out behind the dumpster.

325 b.d.  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:43:44am

re: #210 Pie-onist Overlord

LOLWHUT? Glenn making fun of “Paypal funded websites”?

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emptywheel.net (paypal donation link)

Wheeler is one of the token 1st look female employees.

326 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:44:03am

re: #315 Dark_Falcon

Who has decided? Not me.

Either we require employers to pay a living wage or WE ALL pay to sustain families thru entitlements.

you pick.

327 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:44:32am

re: #326 FemNaziBitch

Either we require employers to pay a living wage or WE ALL pay to sustain families thru entitlements.

you pick.

DUMPSTER!!!

328 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:45:22am

re: #315 Dark_Falcon

Who has decided? Not me.

The voters of your grandfather’s generation. Have you conservatives no respect for tradition?

329 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:45:49am

re: #327 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

DUMPSTER!!!

exactly. employees will always be a expense —no matter how much philosophers and economists try to extoll the “value” of labor.

On the balance sheet all numbers related to employees are on the expense side —not the income side.

330 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:46:03am

re: #324 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

If you insist that employees are just another business expense to be minimized, like toner cartridges and staples, then that view is entirely consistent.

But toner cartridges do not require public aid when they are put out behind the dumpster.

What view is that? I’m not following your line of thought.

331 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:46:54am

re: #307 Decatur Deb

IIRC, Pennsylvania has the 2nd-highest retired population.

Most retirees can no longer afford to move. Many fewer people have pensions anymore and the 401ks or other retirement schemes aren’t working for people.

A friend’s 80-something old dad died a few yrs ago; he retired from a steel mill, just a working class guy, to FL 30 yrs ago when people like him could still do it because he had a guaranteed pension.

332 Amory Blaine  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:48:11am

Thunderdome!!

333 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:48:47am

re: #330 Dark_Falcon

What view is that? I’m not following your line of thought.

That is the full-on Free-Market view of labor: government has no role in regulating it. Employers pay the lowest rate they can negotiate to hire a workforce. if that is below the level needed to sustain a family, then it is the fault of the poor lazy employee for not being more qualified,

Just listen to Right Wing arguments on the minimum wage and labor law, that is what they are all based on.

334 darthstar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:49:45am

re: #315 Dark_Falcon

Who has decided? Not me.

Everyone except for you and the Bobby Jindals of the country understands the need for an increase in the minimum wage. There are too many people out there who will continue to fuck their employees because the law lets them - WalMart included - which is why WalMart wants the feds to force them to go to 10.10 an hour.

335 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:50:34am

re: #333 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

That is the full-on Free-Market view of labor: government has no role in regulating it. Employers pay the lowest rate they can negotiate to hire a workforce. if that is below the level needed to sustain a family, then it is the fault of the poor lazy employee for not being more qualified,

Just listen to Right Wing arguments on the minimum wage and labor law, that is what they are all based on.

You nailed it.

336 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:52:09am

There is a lot of idealist talk about the Value of labor, but part of that value is to allow a person to support a family and to allow them to work towards a better life.

That is not really possible if they are living below the poverty level.

337 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:53:29am

re: #334 darthstar

Everyone except for you and the Bobby Jindals of the country understands the need for an increase in the minimum wage. There are too many people out there who will continue to fuck their employees because the law lets them - WalMart included - which is why WalMart wants the feds to force them to go to 10.10 an hour.

Without a mandated minimum, we accidentally create a system that “rewards the worst” through competitive advantage. That’s why OSHA was created—the responsible employers would fall victim to those who refused the expense of a safe workplace.

338 Amory Blaine  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:53:30am

Pfft like they should get off with a raise to where it should be anyways. There is a burning need for mandatory sick leave and vacation as well.

339 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:54:18am

re: #336 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

There is a lot of idealist talk about the Value of labor, but part of that value is to allow a person to support a family and to allow them to work towards a better life.

That is not really possible if they are living below the poverty level.

Also, when Walmart pays its employees less than they need in order to survive, that’s less money that will be spent at Walmart.

If Walmart pays its employees more, they will just get the money back when the employees BUY MOAR STUFF.

Sam Walton’s kids (who never worked a day in their lives) are too greedy to understand that simple economic fact.

340 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:55:06am
341 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:56:40am

re: #338 Amory Blaine

Pfft like they should get off with a raise to where it should be anyways. There is a burning need for mandatory sick leave and vacation as well.

Unionize.

342 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:57:08am

re: #33 Dark_Falcon

Translation does not imply errors and dishonesty, done right it is simply making a book accessible to those who speak that language. It is only when dishonesty is introduced into the translation (I’m looking at you, Andy Schlafley!) that the mischief begins.

BBL

I’d say that adding an entire testament on top of the original work (moving from Judaism to Christianity) is a pretty damn big change.

But you know, that’s just me, from the perspective of a godless heathen. I guess adding an entire extra part isn’t considered ‘changing’ the gospel, in religious circles.

What do you want to bet that Mr. “Gospel must be changed for no one” eats shellfish and wears mixed fabrics?

I wouldn’t mind religion so much if it’s followers weren’t such blatant and obvious hypocrites — something that their own god specifically condemns in that book they love so much, over and over and over and over and over again.

343 darthstar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:57:13am

By the way, Today’s APR illustrates well just how far Arizona overstepped with their “It’s okay to discriminate against the gays” bill. Part of the reason so many of the same Republicans who voted for it are in a panic asking Brewer to veto it is because they know she’s just bat-shit crazy enough to sign it…and then they lose their second Superbowl hosting opportunity in just over 20 years.

That state needs a sign that reads, “Welcome to Arizona. It’s been ___ days since our legislature passed a law that caused a boycott.”

344 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:57:15am
345 Amory Blaine  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:57:19am

Playing around with peoples schedules is bullshit too there should be some kind of regulations on that nonsense.

346 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:58:59am

re: #343 darthstar

By the way, Today’s APR illustrates well just how far Arizona overstepped with their “It’s okay to discriminate against the gays” bill. Part of the reason so many of the same Republicans who voted for it are in a panic asking Brewer to veto it is because they know she’s just bat-shit crazy enough to sign it…and then they lose their second Superbowl hosting opportunity in just over 20 years.

That state needs a sign that reads, “Welcome to Arizona. It’s been ___ days since our legislature passed a law that caused a boycott.”

What amazes me is that they didn’t expect a backlash. What Jim Crow like laws against gay couples may piss off people? The hell you say!

347 darthstar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:59:35am
348 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:59:38am

re: #302 HappyWarrior

Is it just me or was the only state on there that had a large number of retirees, Florida and Arizona which has seen a huge rise in retirees as of late wasn’t.

Start having serious power issues regarding consistent electricity to power A/C and you can then watch a lot of them move back north.

349 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:59:58am

re: #339 Pie-onist Overlord

Sam Walton’s kids (who never worked a day in their lives) are too greedy to understand that simple economic fact.

This is the greatest danger of inherited wealth and why I believe that everything beyond the first million should have a very high level of inheritance tax.

350 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:00:27am

BBL.

351 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:01:20am

re: #346 HappyWarrior

What amazes me is that they didn’t expect a backlash. What Jim Crow like laws against gay couples may piss off people? The hell you say!

They sing to the choir and are therefore unaware of the rest of the world.

352 darthstar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:02:21am

re: #346 HappyWarrior

What amazes me is that they didn’t expect a backlash. What Jim Crow like laws against gay couples may piss off people? The hell you say!

And there are a rash of such laws in states like Georgia (which has been enjoying a tech boom recently - though that would change), Oklahoma (fuck it, it’s Oklahoma) and others. It’s as if one state puts a shitty law on Google Drive and shares with everyone, and the rest just pull it down and vote for it because Jesus is Lord!

353 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:03:22am

re: #352 darthstar

And there are a rash of such laws in states like Georgia…snip

ALEC

354 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:04:55am

re: #345 Amory Blaine

Playing around with peoples schedules is bullshit too there should be some kind of regulations on that nonsense.

Not to mention hard on kids who often suffer from no supervision, and don’t know from week to week if they’ll see their parents, much less spend any time with them, and a strain on marriages, also, when people pass like ships in the night on their way to different work shifts. Adults may be able to adjust to the hours, but the damage done is sometimes irreversible. It’s one reason, as a single mom, I chose a 9-5 job and had to curb any ambition I might have had which hurt financially since I had no family support anyway.

355 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:05:04am

This billboard appeared on the Polish/Ukraine border.

I think it’s real, but to be honest, my eye isn’t sharp enough to always detect photoshopping. If it is real, it’s a very nice sentiment, I must say.

356 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:06:56am

re: #67 NJDhockeyfan

White House says it’s prepared to send financial aid to Ukraine, which says it needs $35 billion to stay afloat

How much money was siphoned out of the country by Yanukovich and his cronies?

357 Mattand  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:07:00am

One thing I don’t get is the extreme bigotry coming out of AZ. Is that an outgrowth of anti-immigrant hatred? I usually associate the “Gays must die” stuff with southern and mid-western states.

358 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:07:50am

re: #352 darthstar

And there are a rash of such laws in states like Georgia (which has been enjoying a tech boom recently - though that would change), Oklahoma (fuck it, it’s Oklahoma) and others. It’s as if one state puts a shitty law on Google Drive and shares with everyone, and the rest just pull it down and vote for it because Jesus is Lord!

Ohio:

359 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:09:51am

re: #352 darthstar

It’s a rash of laws because the same groups keeps initiating them. ALEC being among the most notable.

That group holds conferences, writes up model bills, and the socon/TP/GOPers bring them back home to try and pass in their own state legislatures.

360 A Mom Anon  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:09:53am

re: #312 Dark_Falcon

Do you really think corporations will do the right thing when no one is looking? (the definition of integrity, btw) There HAVE to be enforceable rules and regulations on these entities or we all pay the price for it. When you go and interview for a job at Wal-Mart they also include info on how to apply for food stamps and other forms of aid because they refuse to pay their employees a living wage. Who pays for that? We all do. They get tax breaks and incentives, they pay hardly any federal taxes and they suck money from taxpayer funded programs. Sure, they’re changing their tune now, but only because of outside pressure and exposure of how they operate. There should be a bottom line allowed by law or there won’t BE a bottom line to protect workers. Companies of all stripes have proven this over and over and over. From worker’s rights to environmental violations, to tax avoidance schemes and manipulating the laws, they can’t be trusted unless they are forced to. NO ONE should work a 40 hour week and not be able to afford food, clothing, shelter, transportation and medical care. We used to have that, it’s gone now and it’s wrong.

361 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:10:26am

re: #357 Mattand

One thing I don’t get is the extreme bigotry coming out of AZ. Is that an outgrowth of anti-immigrant hatred? I usually associate the “Gays must die” stuff with southern and mid-western states.

Election year politics, as throwing a big hunk of red meat to the fundamentalist base.

362 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:12:23am

re: #361 Targetpractice

Election year politics, as throwing a big hunk of red meat to the fundamentalist base.

IIRC, there is a large population of Muslims in AZ as well, I think this may have been the catalyst (after 9/11) for much of the irrational hate.

363 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:14:01am

re: #357 Mattand

One thing I don’t get is the extreme bigotry coming out of AZ. Is that an outgrowth of anti-immigrant hatred? I usually associate the “Gays must die” stuff with southern and mid-western states.

Where did all those people move to Arizona from?

364 Mattand  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:15:18am

re: #361 Targetpractice

Election year politics, as throwing a big hunk of red meat to the fundamentalist base.

No, I get that. I was reading about the history of MLK Day on Wikipedia, and the one state in the Union that was all “Damned if we’re celebrating a black guy” was AZ. I mean, even the Confederate states enacted it on the initial run.

Between that and the homophobia, I just don’t understand why AZ has become such a nexus for bigotry. Has it always had a history like that?

365 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:18:01am

Off to ensnare more blind fools in the coils of Obamacare. BBL

366 Mattand  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:18:21am

re: #360 A Mom Anon

Does Walmart really show you how to apply for public aid in the entry level jobs? If so; wow. There’s your problem right there.

Seconding the whole “If you have to be forced to do the right thing, you’re not doing the right thing.” It’s amazing how Republicans and conservatives can bleat about the destruction of the American family, and then go out of their way to make sure many of them have to choose between feeding their kids and heat.

367 Mattand  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:21:30am

re: #363 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Where did all those people move to Arizona from?

LOL, with my luck, it’ll be New Jersey. Although I know one woman from high school who’s out there now. She seems fairly embarrassed by the Republcian bigots running the state.

368 A Mom Anon  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:28:48am

re: #366 Mattand

Yes, they do. They have pamphlets and contact info for local offices where you can apply for benefits “if you need them”. My future son in law worked for a store in Ohio that had this stuff tucked into his new hire packet.

369 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:29:00am

re: #295 Dark_Falcon

That’s a good line, derisive but not rabid. And raining on the Democratic governors’ parade was the sort of thing Jindal needs to do if he intends to run for president in 2016.

It’s another meaningless line Dark. Jindal even waters-down his own line when he admits “I think we can do better than that.”

Another big problem is for all of Obama’s years in office we all know that Jindal and the other GOP congressmen have done nothing but stand in the way of anything that would help do what Jindal thinks they could do.

Let’s put it in gun terms fro you…Jindal is a square blank of gun metal. He thinks he could be a gun but right now all he is a chunk of metal. Get back to us when you are turned and bored, all the other fittings are added and you can shoot some real live bullets. Right now you are useless.

Great slogans usually are backed up with some action. Let us know when the GOP takes action.

370 BongCrodny  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:30:33am

re: #360 A Mom Anon

They get tax breaks and incentives, they pay hardly any federal taxes and they suck money from taxpayer funded programs.

Related story:

Boeing Paid No Federal Income Tax Last Year: Analysis

One of the largest recipients of federal government contracts paid nothing in taxes last year, according to an analysis from the Center for Effective Government, a left-leaning think tank.

Boeing reported an $82 million tax refund last year, but made $5.9 billion in U.S. pre-tax profits during the same period, the analysis of the company’s recent government filings found. That means Boeing paid a federal tax rate of -1.4 percent. At the same time, the company won 4.4 percent of all federal contracts last year, according to the report.

I didn’t earn much money last year due to attending school, but I’ll confess that my own personal tax rate was higher than Boeing’s. :-)

371 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:34:56am

re: #370 BongCrodny

Related story:

Boeing Paid No Federal Income Tax Last Year: Analysis

I didn’t earn much money last year due to attending school, but I’ll confess that my own personal tax rate was higher than Boeing’s. :-)

This really should be shoved in the face of anyone who criticizes the “47%” for not paying any taxes and actually getting money from the government. We’re subsidizing Boeing even before you factor in all the government contracts that they’ve been awarded.

372 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:35:06am

re: #366 Mattand

Does Walmart really show you how to apply for public aid in the entry level jobs? If so; wow. There’s your problem right there.

Seconding the whole “If you have to be forced to do the right thing, you’re not doing the right thing.” It’s amazing how Republicans and conservatives can bleat about the destruction of the American family, and then go out of their way to make sure many of them have to choose between feeding their kids and heat.

Walmart employees also spend their food stamps at Walmart. That’s a very likely reason for Walmart’s drop in grocery revenue when the program cuts hit.

373 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:36:10am

re: #372 Backwoods_Sleuth

Walmart employees also spend their food stamps at Walmart.

And that is fucking sick…

374 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:36:40am
375 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:38:40am

re: #374 Dr. Matt

Teabagger dollars

Fuck me, but they do make it hard as fuck to read their little rants. Bad enough that it’s red on a green and white background, but it’s also at such an angle that I can’t make out where half the words begin or end.

376 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:39:04am

re: #324 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

If you insist that employees are just another business expense to be minimized, like toner cartridges and staples, then that view is entirely consistent.

But toner cartridges do not require public aid when they are put out behind the dumpster.

Maybe not. What does it cost to recycle or dispose of properly a bunch of toner cartridges? I know here in Columbus the government has a working relationship with the recycle companies and I would imagine there are some public costs involved in all that. And if not properly disposed of, what are the long term costs to a local government to maintain a dump site with a toxic brew of all kinds of stuff cooking in the earth?

Everything has costs, from humans to all humans create. And everything has a bit of public aid behind it too.

Remember the Obama quote and dustup over “you did not build that?”

377 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:39:07am

re: #363 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Where did all those people move to Arizona from?

en.wikipedia.org

The Wikipedia page on the state is an interesting read. Rapidly growing state in terms of population - but most of it is basically settling around Phoenix. And that means that 60% of the state population is living in a single county. Also interesting to know that 70% of the land in Arizona belongs to the Federal Government.

378 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:39:32am

re: #375 Targetpractice

Fuck me, but they do make it hard as fuck to read their little rants. Bad enough that it’s red on a green and white background, but it’s also at such an angle that I can’t make out where half the words begin or end.

it’s argle bargle with an inkpad stamp

379 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:39:35am

re: #372 Backwoods_Sleuth

Walmart employees also spend their food stamps at Walmart. That’s a very likely reason for Walmart’s drop in grocery revenue when the program cuts hit.

Lots of SNAP dollars are used at Wal-Mart, including at the new, smaller urban locations that have opened in a number of cities, including Chicago. Though the Chicago city council demanded and got a mandate that Wal-Mart wages in Chicago are higher than the national norm.

380 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:40:46am

re: #374 Dr. Matt

“Census now under control of ACORN”
“Marxist China”

They’re a little behind the times, I’d say.

381 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:41:56am
382 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:44:51am

Well let’s see Ben. One is a public venue, the other is not.

383 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:46:06am

re: #337 Decatur Deb

Without a mandated minimum, we accidentally create a system that “rewards the worst” through competitive advantage. That’s why OSHA was created—the responsible employers would fall victim to those who refused the expense of a safe workplace.

Ohhhhh. You said OSHA!!!

You know that as with the EPA is another hated government entity. If ‘they’ didn’t have the EPA and OSHA getting in their ‘business’ then maybe they could afford to pay people.

But then, a lot of the workforce might not be able to work as long or live as long due to the work environs, etc.

Aww who knows. Let’s all just go with those GOP guys that think a lot but do nothing.

384 BongCrodny  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:46:24am

re: #381 FemNaziBitch

Uganda newspaper names 200 ‘homos’ after anti-LGBT law signed

And that’s why I miss Idi Amin — he’d eat anybody regardless of race, color, creed or sexual orientation.

//

385 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:46:40am

re: #375 Targetpractice

Fuck me, but they do make it hard as fuck to read their little rants. Bad enough that it’s red on a green and white background, but it’s also at such an angle that I can’t make out where half the words begin or end.

Lemme boil those screeds down to two sentences:

“THE PRESIDENT IS A [n-word]!!!11”

“OW MY BUTT, IT HURTS!!!11”

386 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:47:09am

re: #382 Pie-onist Overlord

Well let’s see Ben. One is a public venue, the other is not.

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Ben’s the kinda guy who, a generation ago, would have declaring that lunch counters don’t have to serve black folks if doing so would offend their religious beliefs.

387 GlutenFreeJesus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:47:32am

re: #343 darthstar

By the way, Today’s APR illustrates well just how far Arizona overstepped with their “It’s okay to discriminate against the gays” bill. Part of the reason so many of the same Republicans who voted for it are in a panic asking Brewer to veto it is because they know she’s just bat-shit crazy enough to sign it…and then they lose their second Superbowl hosting opportunity in just over 20 years.

That state needs a sign that reads, “Welcome to Arizona. It’s been ___ days since our legislature passed a law that caused a boycott.”

I’d love to see the Chicago Cubs pull out of there too, after building their multi-million dollar pre-season “training facility”. It’s useless anyway, even without the possibility that AZ passes this stupid law.

388 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:47:42am

re: #376 ObserverArt

Maybe not. What does it cost to recycle or dispose of properly a bunch of toner cartridges? I know here in Columbus the government has a working relationship with the recycle companies and I would imagine there are some public costs involved in all that. And if not properly disposed of, what are the long term costs to a local government to maintain a dump site with a toxic brew of all kinds of stuff cooking in the earth?

Everything has costs, from humans to all humans create. And everything has a bit of public aid behind it too.

Remember the Obama quote and dustup over “you did not build that?”

They had a plan to recycle all those useless employees, it was called Soylent Green…

Of course everything has a public aid component. Where does an educated work force receive its education?

389 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:48:11am

Here’s a question for ya Ben. Should a kosher caterer have to cater a gay wedding at a public venue (like a hotel) where they cater other functions?

ANSWER: Yes, if kosher food is requested, the same as for a Jewish wedding or a bar mitzvah or a shul dinner or a birthday party.

A kosher caterer does not have to serve bacon or cheeseburgers because that is not a product that they provide to anyone else.

390 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:50:12am

UNLESS YOU’RE A WOMAN. OR GAY.

391 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:51:38am

In the debate about the minumum wage, extended unemployment, the low labor participation rate, public safety nets and inequality let’s not forget why those things are such big issues today-The recovery was and continues to be tragically top income heavy, middle income light and low income non existent. Who is responsible is a debate, the fact of the circumstance not so much.

Source

392 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:51:43am
393 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:52:34am

re: #386 Targetpractice

Ben’s the kinda guy who, a generation ago, would have declaring that lunch counters don’t have to serve black folks if doing so would offend their religious beliefs.

Precisely and I hope Shapiro knows that people used and continue to use that same exact excuse involving Jews. It isn’t okay then and it’s not okay to do the same to gays. If you have a business that’s open to the public, you have no right to discriminate against someone because of their sexual orientation, religion, etc. If Ben were denied service at a business because he’s a wingnut douche, guess what, it wouldn’t be okay because even wingnut douches have protection under these laws.

394 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:53:29am

re: #392 lawhawk

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Good, it may not because of sincere conviction but rather concern about her state’s image but it’s better than signing this stupid shit.

395 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:54:14am

DERP

396 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:54:41am


MtGox blames media for situation of their own making. Will hold customer money (as it declares bankruptcy no less?)

I sense criminal charges forming in coming weeks, including fraud, money laundering, and the Bitcoin value in actual money continuing to decline.

397 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:54:57am

re: #358 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ohio:

Similar to AZ’s current anti-gay S.Bill 1062 is Ohio’s H. Bill No. 376 #SB1062 legislature.state.oh.us

Columbus…Ohio State Capitol. At one time Columbus’ gay population was considered to be second only to San Francisco.

I would wager that there are several gays working in the Kasich administration though that might not be common knowledge.

We have our whacko’s in this state, but with four major cities, tons of universities and all that…those bills will have a hard go of it. And should they be passed, I wouldn’t expect them to last. And it sure has a lot to do with generational thinking. All that hopefully will be gone when a bunch of people pass on.

398 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:55:29am

re: #392 lawhawk

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I expect so, too. The pressure brought to bear in this case is very great and Brewer isn’t a very resolute character.

399 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:55:48am

re: #392 lawhawk

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Wingnut heads explode!

400 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:56:50am

Ben you are a complete tool. Who TF wants photos of a bris?

401 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:56:55am

re: #399 Dr Lizardo

Wingnut heads explode!

BREWER ISN”T A TRUE CONSERVATIVE ALAAAAAAAAAAAARM!

402 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:57:45am

re: #395 Pie-onist Overlord

DERP

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Perhaps the wingnut might stop and ask why it doesn’t pay back as much, say because the intention is to discourage hospitals from padding their bills and charging more than one would pay in cash?

403 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:57:48am

re: #401 HappyWarrior

BREWER ISN”T A TRUE CONSERVATIVE ALAAAAAAAAAAAARM!

Yep…..cue up the cries of RINO!!11!

404 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:58:22am

re: #395 Pie-onist Overlord

It is possible that a doctor trying to get information about a particular policy obtained through the exchanges might run into issues, particularly because of the grace period (the period between when the person signed up, and when they paid), but that’s on the insurers to straighten out. The doctors may not want to deal with the gap period, particularly if an insurer tries to play games with not paying out on their policies - but that’s not on Obamacare - it’s on the unscrupulous insurers who are still gaming the system.

Insurers have always played games about what they will pay out. And these problems will also go away after the first year since the system will be in place and the annual benefits enrollment will be fixed (as opposed to the first year rolling period with extensions).

405 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:58:45am

re: #392 lawhawk

Ariz. Gov Brewer likely to veto controversial SB 1062, sources say #NBCpolitics
— NBC News (@NBCNews) February 25, 2014

Wow, she finally did something right.

406 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:59:06am

re: #401 HappyWarrior

BREWER ISN”T A TRUE CONSERVATIVE ALAAAAAAAAAAAARM!

She’s already on their shitlist for supporting Medicaid expansion in AZ. And she can’t run for reelection until somebody else has served a term, so it’s not like she has to worry about what the voters will think for a few years.

407 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:59:23am

re: #381 FemNaziBitch

Uganda newspaper names 200 ‘homos’ after anti-LGBT law signed

Not to diminish the direct impact on LGBT people in Uganda, but it occurs to me that the “gay ban” is pretty much the perfect political tool for criminalizing dissent: it’s an accusation that you really can’t make go away, And even if you don’t meet the standards for conviction, you’re likely to experience social exile, since other people won’t want to be penalized for not “reporting” you after the public accusation.

408 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:59:26am

Well first step of EuroTrip 3.0 is complete. Need to see a travel agent and talk to my cousin and her husband about London. Should be an awesome trip if it all comes together.

409 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:00:05am

re: #407 The Ghost of a Flea

Not to diminish the direct impact on LGBT people in Uganda, but it occurs to me that the “gay ban” is pretty much the perfect political tool for criminalizing dissent: it’s an accusation that you really can’t make go away, And even if you don’t meet the standards for conviction, you’re likely to experience social exile, since other people won’t want to be penalized for not “reporting” you after the public accusation.

I believe something like this happened in Zimbabwe.

410 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:00:05am

re: #396 lawhawk

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MtGox blames media for situation of their own making. Will hold customer money (as it declares bankruptcy no less?)

I sense criminal charges forming in coming weeks, including fraud, money laundering, and the Bitcoin value in actual money continuing to decline.

The dudebros are getting a lesson in how the 1929 stock market crash happened, but I doubt they’ll learn it. More likely they’ll just whine about “betrayal”, “fiat money” and laments that “the game is rigged”.

Does FDIC come into play in this case? I expect not but I’m curious.

411 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:00:35am

re: #405 Dr. Matt

Wow, she finally did something right.

But for all the wrong reasons.

She won’t veto because it’s a horrible law. She’ll veto because of possible economic ramifications for the state and career ramifications for her wacko GOP buddies.

That said - whatever works.

412 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:01:36am

Science Fiction or Fact?

413 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:01:55am

re: #411 makeitstop

But for all the wrong reasons.

She won’t veto because it’s a horrible law. She’ll veto because of possible economic ramifications for the state and career ramification for her wacko GOP buddies.

That said - whatever works.

Indeed, it would be nice to see one GOP governor veto anti-GLBT legislation not because they fear for business and their party but because they genuinely feel anti gay bigotry is wrong. Find me a Republican governor who will do that and I’ll buy that guy or gal a beer.

414 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:02:51am

re: #407 The Ghost of a Flea

Not to diminish the direct impact on LGBT people in Uganda, but it occurs to me that the “gay ban” is pretty much the perfect political tool for criminalizing dissent: it’s an accusation that you really can’t make go away, And even if you don’t meet the standards for conviction, you’re likely to experience social exile, since other people won’t want to be penalized for not “reporting” you after the public accusation.

and how do you disprove such an accusation if it is hurled against you? Yes, it is any easy tool for those wanting to silence others.

Pick a group—any group: Jews, Blacks, Gays, People with those red birthmarks —but never ever, ever forget to include women, all women.

415 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:03:33am

re: #412 FemNaziBitch

Science Fiction or Fact?

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Sounds legit. Who knows, something like this could have people having more you know empathy. I did like that scene in Family Guy where Quagmire gets knocked out and he wakes up and everyone views him as a beautiful woman.

416 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:04:12am

BEN U R SUCH A FUCKING TOOL. YOU ARE AN EMBARRASSMENT. STOP ALREADY.

417 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:04:49am

re: #386 Targetpractice

Ben’s the kinda guy who, a generation ago, would have declaring that lunch counters don’t have to serve black folks if doing so would offend their religious beliefs.

I’m not completely sure of Ben’s religious/ethnic makeup, but he is of Jewish background isn’t he?

And if he is, does he ever put any of the crap he spews into the context of the Jewish peoples and all they have had to go through with hatred, bigotry and all that?

That dude sure is a huge excuse maker and a practitioner of Denialism.

418 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:06:46am

re: #417 ObserverArt

I’m not completely sure of Ben’s religious/ethnic makeup, but he is of Jewish background isn’t he?

And if he is, does he ever put any of the crap he spews into the context of the Jewish peoples and all they have had to go through with hatred, bigotry and all that?

That dude sure is a huge excuse maker and a practitioner of Denialism.

He is. Just mentioned a hypothetical bris for a hypothetical son. I think that’s what makes this the more pathetic. Surely he knows people denied service, housing, etc to Jews for “religious reasons” over the generations but somehow he sees it as okay to deny the same to gays? Guy’s a pathetic little wingnut twerp.

419 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:07:24am

re: #417 ObserverArt

I’m not completely sure of Ben’s religious/ethnic makeup, but he is of Jewish background isn’t he?

And if he is, does he ever put any of the crap he spews into the context of the Jewish peoples and all they have had to go through with hatred, bigotry and all that?

That dude sure is a huge excuse maker and a practitioner of Denialism.

Ben claims to be an “Orthodox Jew” but he is clearly pandering to Evangelicals, hoping to get reciprocated on Israel.

Sadly there are a lot of Jewish wingnuts (even in my own family). You should hear the fights that break out at family reunions. However everybody was fairly well behaved at my mom’s birthday party (no chairs got thrown)

420 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:08:42am

re: #412 FemNaziBitch

Science Fiction or Fact?

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Till it allows people to feel the hormonal mix of the other gender, it won’t allow women to really have insight into what it feels like to be a man. And given the realities of pregnancy and childbirth, men will never know what it feels like to be a woman ever.

Still, some insight may prove useful for both sexes, but it will still be quite limited insight.

421 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:08:52am

Ben this was already decided decades ago. Please learn history.

422 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:08:59am

re: #390 Pie-onist Overlord

UNLESS YOU’RE A WOMAN. OR GAY.

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Or interfere with their ability to steal money and destroy the environment.

423 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:09:13am
In January, the CDC announced on a call with more than 80 advocates that it would indeed change the decades-old language. Now, instead of referring to “unprotected sex” to mean sex without a condom, the CDC will refer simply refer to it as “condomless sex.”
424 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:10:18am

re: #423 FemNaziBitch

I always took “unprotected sex” to mean sex without any form of contraception, male or female.

425 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:11:40am

re: #421 Pie-onist Overlord

Ben this was already decided decades ago. Please learn history.

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Yeah, “Separate But Equal” worked out real well the last time we tried it.

426 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:11:41am
427 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:12:45am

re: #421 Pie-onist Overlord

Ben this was already decided decades ago. Please learn history.

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And if they don’t like that a lunch counter refuses to serve black folks, they’ll go somewhere else, right?

428 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:16:38am

re: #427 Targetpractice

And if they don’t like that a lunch counter refuses to serve black folks, they’ll go somewhere else, right?

Well, if they don’t leave the lunch counter, the owner can just call the police and have them evicted, right?

429 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:16:55am

Don’t know why on earth you start a bakery in the first place if you’re going to be exclusionary. Morons.

430 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:17:00am

re: #424 Eclectic Cyborg

I always took “unprotected sex” to mean sex without any form of contraception, male or female.

I guess that language isn’t working anymore due to “other” ways to have sex and lessen one’s perceived exposure to the virus.

Remember, most people don’t get the science of it and instructions need to be idiot-proofed.

431 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:18:49am

re: #428 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Well, if they don’t leave the lunch counter, the owner can just call the police and have them evicted, right?

Then the lunch counter’s other customers can spray them with ketchup and mustard. That’s not assault, that just tells them they’re not welcome.

432 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:18:54am

re: #416 Pie-onist Overlord

BEN U R SUCH A FUCKING TOOL. YOU ARE AN EMBARRASSMENT. STOP ALREADY.


When baking a cake becomes a sacred ritual part of a person’s religious practice, that person can do it on their own terms. If it’s a business, it’s not a religion.

433 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:19:26am
434 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:20:01am

re: #432 wrenchwench

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When baking a cake becomes a sacred ritual part of a person’s religious practice, that person can do it on their own terms. If it’s a business, it’s not a religion.

Baking pie is a sacred ritual part of my religious practice of PIE-ONISM. But I would bake a pie for a gay wedding if they asked me (even though I’m not licensed as a commercial bakery)

435 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:20:26am
436 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:20:28am

re: #433 FemNaziBitch

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As opposed to Erick, Son of Erick, who is actually comitting the sin of Gluttony. On a daily basis.

437 dr. luba  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:20:55am

re: #217 Justanotherhuman

They probably got that from this:

wikileaks.org

I haven’t seen any biographical info on Turchynov that would support that claim.

Which also leads me to believe that a large part of Wikileaks may be bullshit as well.

I have heard the same thing, but they are overstating his status in his church I think. Per Wikipedia: Turchynov does not drink or smoke. He is said to sometimes give sermons at his church, the Word of Life Center, which is a member of the Evangelical Baptist Union of Ukraine.

438 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:20:57am

re: #433 FemNaziBitch

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Welcome to Capitalism Erick. I thought y’all liked that. And knock it off with this abetting the sin of homosexuality shit. Are you okay with people denying service to Newt Gingrich and other wingnuts who have committed adultery and perhaps yourself because you’re not without sin either so stop it already.

439 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:21:05am

re: #436 GunstarGreen

As opposed to Erick, Son of Erick, who is actually comitting the sin of Gluttony. On a daily basis.

While Obama is really going after the Stand Your Ground Laws … .

440 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:21:28am

Another day, another crisis. What shall it be today.

441 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:21:38am

re: #420 Dark_Falcon

Till it allows people to feel the hormonal mix of the other gender, it won’t allow women to really have insight into what it feels like to be a man. And given the realities of pregnancy and childbirth, men will never know what it feels like to be a woman >ever.

Still, some insight may prove useful for both sexes, but it will still be quite limited insight.

Lots of women never experience pregnancy or childbirth, yet are 100% woman.

You’re right about the hormonal mix, though. I read about a male doctor who gave himself PMS so he could understand what his patients were going through.

I’d be afraid to take enough testosterone to experience manliness.

442 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:21:48am
443 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:22:02am

re: #435 FemNaziBitch

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I guess the older Cruz got into the bleach again. Really, Obama hasn’t implemented any laws you dolt and if it was a dictatorship, you and your pathetic son would be in prison.

444 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:22:08am
445 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:22:19am

re: #440 Gus

Another day, another crisis. What shall it be today.

my dog had another seizure

446 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:23:07am

but will it be effective as a Strongly Worded Letter:

447 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:23:39am
448 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:24:20am

re: #444 Gus

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I’m surprised it wasn’t removed in the early 90’s.

449 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:24:22am

It’s too bad there are no huge statues of Obama that the wingnuts can tear down.

But there is this:

450 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:24:39am

re: #447 FemNaziBitch

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Nice to see leadership from us on this.

451 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:26:08am

re: #445 FemNaziBitch

my dog had another seizure

That sucks.

452 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:26:28am

re: #433 FemNaziBitch

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For a guy who worships Christ, who is famous among things for preventing the stoning of a woman by pointing out that no one is without sin, you’d think Son of Erick would realize that any business that sells a product or service is “aiding and abetting” sinful behavior.

453 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:27:05am

re: #446 FemNaziBitch

but will it be effective as a Strongly Worded Letter:

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I’m sure Max Blumenthal will remind us about something, something, Ukraine, THE JUICE!

454 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:27:14am

re: #452 Targetpractice

For a guy who worships Christ, who is famous among things for preventing the stoning of a woman by pointing out that >no one is without sin, you’d think Son of Erick would realize that any business that sells a product or service is “aiding and abetting” sinful behavior.

And what happened to ‘hate the sin but love the sinner’?

455 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:27:44am

re: #449 Pie-onist Overlord

It’s too bad there are no huge statues of Obama that the wingnuts can tear down.

But there is this:
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That ironically looks very Soviet Socialist realist. My bad.

456 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:28:04am

re: #453 Gus

I’m sure Max Blumenthal will remind us about something, something, Ukraine, THE JUICE!

Well, yesterday Max was furiously Tweeting that Euromaidan is full of TEH NAZIS but he made sure to add that TEH JUICE are “Kremlin-aligned”

457 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:28:36am

re: #454 wrenchwench

And what happened to ‘hate the sin but love the sinner’?

It’s not the appropriate excuse for the point he’s trying to make.

The Great Big Book of Christian Excuses is only invoked when needed.

458 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:28:41am


Gee. What a surprise.

459 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:28:51am

Actually that was Mark Ames, but Max gleefully retweeted.

460 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:30:00am

re: #456 Pie-onist Overlord

Well, yesterday Max was furiously Tweeting that Euromaidan is full of TEH NAZIS but he made sure to add that TEH JUICE are “Kremlin-aligned”

Max’s day so far…

[Stumbles into bathroom to brush teeth… stubs toe on side of tub…]

“Damn Jews!”

//

461 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:30:11am

re: #459 Pie-onist Overlord

Actually that was Mark Ames, but Max gleefully retweeted.

That’s what Dudebrothers are for.

462 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:30:46am

re: #443 HappyWarrior

I guess the older Cruz got into the bleach again. Really, Obama hasn’t implemented any laws you dolt and if it was a dictatorship, you and your pathetic son would be in prison.

He’s sore because his son agreed to support Sen. Gillibrand anti-sexual assault bill, though that bill is currently be held up by other senators in an effort to force Harry Reid to allow a floor vote on the Iran sanctions bills.

The elder Cruz likely didn’t get it when his lawyer son explained how he has a problem with lawbreakers getting away with their crimes, and thus is now lashing out.

Note: The preceding should not be read as overall support for Ted Cruz, only that he supports Sen. Gillibrand’s bill for one of the right reasons (that reason being an understanding that to allow rapists to go unpunished is incompatible with a proper belief in justice).

463 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:32:17am

re: #461 wrenchwench

That’s what Dudebrothers are for.

As sung to the tune, “That’s What Friends are For.”

464 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:33:10am

EARTH TO BEN, IT IS ILLEGAL TO REFUSE SERVICE TO A PAYING CUSTOMER IN A PUBLIC VENUE. STOP BEATING THIS DEAD HORSE.

465 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:34:08am

Keep smiling, keep shining
Knowing you can always count on me, for sure
That’s what Dudebros are for
For good times and bad times
I’ll be on your side forever more
That’s what Dudebros are for

Etc.

466 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:34:09am

re: #463 Gus

As sung to the tune, “That’s What Friends are For.”

You would have to use “DERPs” in place of “dudebros” for those lyrics to work.

467 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:34:47am

ERICK FALLS FOR THIS HOAX

468 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:35:01am

re: #464 Pie-onist Overlord

EARTH TO BEN, IT IS ILLEGAL TO REFUSE SERVICE TO A PAYING CUSTOMER IN A PUBLIC VENUE. STOP BEATING THIS DEAD HORSE.

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A Christian business that refused to serve any customer that has committed ANY sin according to the Christian bible would serve no one.

Why do they pick and choose which sins to support? Why are they ALLOWED to pick and choose which sins to support? Who amongst them is without sin?

469 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:35:20am

Maduro currently using fighter jets to intimidate. Freedumb!

470 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:36:00am

re: #468 GunstarGreen

A Christian business that refused to serve any customer that has committed ANY sin according to the Christian bible would serve no one.

Why do they pick and choose which sins to support? Why are they ALLOWED to pick and choose which sins to support? Who amongst them is without sin?

Exactly. It’s pick and choose bs.

471 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:37:10am

Super huge graphic that explains intersectionality and privilege.

472 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:37:45am

re: #464 Pie-onist Overlord

EARTH TO BEN, IT IS ILLEGAL TO REFUSE SERVICE TO A PAYING CUSTOMER IN A PUBLIC VENUE. STOP BEATING THIS DEAD HORSE.

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Ben, when the bakery refuses to any sinner, then you might have a point. When a bakery says it will not serve gay customers but will has no problem with selling a cake to a divorcee or a couple where one or both are not of the faith, then that’s discrimination.

473 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:38:03am

Max Blumenthal manages to call the Euromaidan “neo-Nazis” and “Zionists” in one paragraph:

Eager to fend off accusations of anti-Semitism, the Svoboda leader recently hosted the Israeli Ambassador to Ukraine. “I would like to ask Israelis to also respect our patriotic feelings,” Tyahnybok has remarked. “Probably each party in the [Israeli] Knesset is nationalist. With God’s help, let it be this way for us too.”

474 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:38:23am
475 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:40:21am

re: #472 Targetpractice

Ben, when the bakery refuses to any sinner, then you might have a point. When a bakery says it will not serve gay customers but will has no problem with selling a cake to a divorcee or a couple where one or both are not of the faith, then that’s discrimination.

Exactly.

476 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:40:39am

re: #473 Pie-onist Overlord

Max Blumenthal manages to call the Euromaidan “neo-Nazis” and “Zionists” in one paragraph:

“Noun, verb, Tea Party, Jews.”

477 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:41:02am

The Steve Martin (R-Virginia) video
bluevirginia.us

478 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:42:17am

re: #471 FemNaziBitch

Super huge graphic that explains intersectionality and privilege.

That’s well done.

Seems like too many people think they’re being asked to do Maoist self-criticism if you mention that they might have a bit of privilege.

479 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:42:28am

Yes, it’s 2014 and we are not clear on this:

480 calochortus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:43:03am

re: #472 Targetpractice

Ben, when the bakery refuses to any sinner, then you might have a point. When a bakery says it will not serve gay customers but will has no problem with selling a cake to a divorcee or a couple where one or both are not of the faith, then that’s discrimination.

Don’t worry, they’ve got that covered. Apparently any other kind of sinner could suddenly reform and get right with God. Same-sex couples don’t have that possibility so we might as well discriminate against them.

481 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:43:04am

re: #464 Pie-onist Overlord

EARTH TO BEN, IT IS ILLEGAL TO REFUSE SERVICE TO A PAYING CUSTOMER IN A PUBLIC VENUE. STOP BEATING THIS DEAD HORSE.

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482 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:43:10am

BUT IT’S OK WHEN I DO IT BECAUSE I AM DOING TEH JOURNALISM!!!!!

483 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:44:02am

Today’s HIstory Lesson

484 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:44:13am


[facepalm]

485 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:45:09am

re: #473 Pie-onist Overlord

Max Blumenthal manages to call the Euromaidan “neo-Nazis” and “Zionists” in one paragraph:

Proper response: “Go home, Max! You’re drunk!”

486 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:47:38am

re: #481 Dark_Falcon

That didn’t really work right, since it kept putting in the parent tweet even when I unchecked the box.

Edited

487 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:47:47am

TEH STUPID IT BURNSSS!!!! IT BURNSSS US PRECIOUSSSSS!!!!!

488 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:48:23am

re: #483 FemNaziBitch

Today’s HIstory Lesson

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An imperialist version of Cash’s “I’ve Been Everywhere.” It’s quite remarkable though that such a relatively small island, Britain has played such a major role in history as we know it. Really want to spend sometime over tehre.

489 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:50:30am

re: #478 wrenchwench

I live by the sentiment of treating people how I want to be treated, and treating everyone equally. Largely that graphic contains ideas I can agree with, but it expresses what seems to be a core tenet of the whole ‘privilege’ concept of the social justice movement that I simply cannot abide:

A. Because I am ‘privileged’ I will ‘shut up’.
B. When I try to speak, and people just scream ‘privilege’ at me, I’ll just take it and reflect that maybe they might have a point somewhere.

That’s not social justice. That’s thinly-disguised retaliation.

490 dr. luba  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:50:39am

re: #157 Justanotherhuman

“About time” said repeatedly…

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Western Ukraine got rid of all the SOviet symbolism long ago, around the time of Independence. They replaced all the Lenins with statues of Shevchenko (a poet).

The communists in other parts of the country had their fee-fees hurt if anyone tried to remove the Lenins, and would claim these are “historical” statues and have them left in place. The “Leninopad” began with the toppling of the statue in Kyiv this time around.

I’ve seen photos suggesting that they’ve finally removed his bust from the walls of the Teatralna metro station; good thing, as it used to scare my godson, who called it the Babay (boogieman).

Also too: Jews in the Maidan. And I keep waiting for the ethnic cleansing of Russians and Jews that the Putin apologists claim is coming. No sign yet.

491 b.d.  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:50:57am

re: #487 Pie-onist Overlord

TEH STUPID IT BURNSSS!!!! IT BURNSSS US PRECIOUSSSSS!!!!!

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NO SHIRTS. NO SAVIOR. NO SERVICE!!!

//

492 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:52:30am
493 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:52:51am

bbl

494 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:53:24am

You deny service to someone shoeless because it’s a health hazard. There is no hazards involved with baking a cake for a gay couple and their family and friends.

495 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:55:23am

re: #484 lawhawk

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[facepalm]

I have to fight the reflex to down ding because of the tweet. What an idiot.

496 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:58:39am

Meanwhile the GOP is on another planet. Weird.

497 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:59:13am

re: #494 HappyWarrior

You deny service to someone shoeless because it’s a health hazard. There is no hazards involved with baking a cake for a gay couple and their family and friends.

You are arguing into the wind. Gays are seen as a moral health hazard.

498 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:02:11am

re: #496 Gus

Aregentina, meanwhile, seems Stuck on Stupid:

499 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:02:24am
500 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:03:35am

re: #498 Dark_Falcon

Aregentina, meanwhile, seems Stuck on Stupid:

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Yep. Might be time to start talking about the Malvinas again and another round of nationalization. //

501 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:04:22am

“Las Malvinas son nuestras!”

Nope.

502 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:04:26am

re: #499 Gus

I see Greenwald has decided to leave the comment on his site about protesters planning to shoot cops. Did you get any reaction on twitter last night?

503 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:05:14am

re: #502 Killgore Trout

I see Greenwald has decided to leave the comment on his site about protesters planning to shoot cops. Did you get any reaction on twitter last night?

No. Went to sleep by midnight. Haven’t looked since I split last night.

504 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:08:40am
505 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:10:41am

re: #489 GunstarGreen

I live by the sentiment of treating people how I want to be treated, and treating everyone equally. Largely that graphic contains ideas I can agree with, but it expresses what seems to be a core tenet of the whole ‘privilege’ concept of the social justice movement that I simply cannot abide:

A. Because I am ‘privileged’ I will ‘shut up’.
B. When I try to speak, and people just scream ‘privilege’ at me, I’ll just take it and reflect that maybe they might have a point somewhere.

That’s not social justice. That’s thinly-disguised retaliation.

If that attitude was being enforced with any consequences, you might be right. As it is, a suggestion to listen to someone with a different perspective could be a good thing, especially if you’re operating on the assumption that other people want to be treated the same way you want to be treated.

If someone screams anything at you, the conversation is over. Doesn’t matter who holds the ‘privilege’ there.

506 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:11:43am

re: #468 GunstarGreen

A Christian business that refused to serve any customer that has committed ANY sin according to the Christian bible would serve no one.

Why do they pick and choose which sins to support? Why are they ALLOWED to pick and choose which sins to support? Who amongst them is without sin?

If you ever find the true answer to that, get back with us. Instead of looking at themselves, it seems many religious types have to stand in judgement of others. They also always seem to have to have an enemy or a group to hate. Again, they should look at the enemy to others that lies within themselves. But they get so pumped up on their own righteousness they fail to see their own failings as Christians.

507 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:11:51am

re: #503 Gus

No. Went to sleep by midnight. Haven’t looked since I split last night.

It was worth a shot. Not surprising that some people were not bothered by it.

508 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:12:33am
509 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:12:57am

Woke up around 3:30 AM freezing. Power went out. Heater died. Had another one at the ready. Major suckage. Woke up all stiff. Another day in the life of the “privileged.” Hardy, har, har.

510 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:15:28am

re: #508 Pie-onist Overlord

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511 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:15:41am

Dear Alicia Lupercio and your zillions of sockpuppets:

I agree with you on immigration reform but spamming Twitter is not endearing people to your cause.

512 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:16:39am

“My struggle is worse than your struggle and you’re teh privileged!”
— Twitter Twerps

513 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:17:31am

re: #509 Gus

{{{Gus}}}

Tip: light those curly brackets on fire and you’ll warm up a bit.

514 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:18:15am

re: #512 Gus

“My struggle is worse than your struggle and you’re teh privileged!”
— Twitter Twerps

I’m really not comfortable with people who live in first-world countries with constantly-available internet access speaking to anyone’s supposed ‘privilege’.

515 BeenHereAwhile  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:19:49am

re: #343 darthstar

By the way, Today’s APR illustrates well just how far Arizona overstepped with their “It’s okay to discriminate against the gays” bill. Part of the reason so many of the same Republicans who voted for it are in a panic asking Brewer to veto it is because they know she’s just bat-shit crazy enough to sign it…and then they lose their second Superbowl hosting opportunity in just over 20 years.

The Arizona Super Bowl game day is Feb 1, 2015,

There’s not enough time to move that Super Bowl, associated events, infrastructure, and housing to another state,

516 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:24:53am

re: #514 GunstarGreen

I’m really not comfortable with people who live in first-world countries with constantly-available internet access speaking to anyone’s supposed ‘privilege’.

Constantly available internet access doesn’t erase racism, sexism, ableism, etc. Also, you may have missed this in the graphic GGT posted:

Most people occupy multiple social positions with multiple levels of privilege or disadvantage.

The idea of ‘privilege’ is a meaningful sociological construct. People on Twitter will continue to use it with varying degrees of coherence. People with no internet access will not, of course.

517 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:25:08am

re: #502 Killgore Trout

I see Greenwald has decided to leave the comment on his site about protesters planning to shoot cops. Did you get any reaction on twitter last night?

So, you’re back. I am going to ask again. Where did the guy in that comment say anyone was going to shoot the cops?

Gus, I asked you last night too. Where did the OWS/OO commenter at Greenwald’s guy say anyone was going to shoot cops?

I am no Occupy Anything backer, but there is some blatant coloring going on with that one. And Kilgore quoting himself and then going back over your screen capture of the comment and building his outrage over an OWS guy posting on Facebook he was going to shoot cops looks to be nothing but a troll fabricating a bunch of crap over a group he doesn’t like.

Show me some proof the guy said anything about shooting cops. I know Kilgore likes to troll, but I sure as heck didn’t think Gus would take part.

518 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:25:29am

re: #510 Gus

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My summarized response to Veteran’s News Network

519 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:27:58am

re: #507 Killgore Trout

It was worth a shot. Not surprising that some people were not bothered by it.

Hey…over here!!! I am bothered by it. Maybe some people read the comment correctly and are not bothered by it because no one said anything about shooting a cop.

520 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:31:12am

re: #505 wrenchwench

If that attitude was being enforced with any consequences, you might be right. As it is, a suggestion to listen to someone with a different perspective could be a good thing, especially if you’re operating on the assumption that other people want to be treated the same way you want to be treated.

If someone screams >anything at you, the conversation is over. Doesn’t matter who holds the ‘privilege’ there.

Listening is one thing, but if the other person is primarily using the charge of ‘privilege’ as a weapon, then the situation changes. They don’t have to scream to do that, and I admit that it is not always straightforward determining if that is what is going on. Like most social rules, it takes a fair bit of good judgement to distinguish between just anger and self-serving rhetoric.

521 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:31:35am

This is the most monumental hack job on the national anthem I’ve ever hear. Carl Lewis and Roseanne are both laughing at these guys.

Youtube Video

A friend of mine answered a cattle call for this band. They insisted upon conservative musicians only, and made anyone who auditioned sign a non-disclosure agreement.

I’m so happy my friend passed on the gig, otherwise I would have had to tell him his band sucks.

522 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:39:45am

re: #520 Dark_Falcon

Listening is one thing, but if the other person is primarily using the charge of ‘privilege’ as a weapon, then the situation changes. They don’t have to scream to do that, and I admit that it is not always straightforward determining if that is what is going on. Like most social rules, it takes a fair bit of good judgement to distinguish between just anger and self-serving rhetoric.

Presumably if you’re in a conversation with someone on a topic of mutual interest, and they say your perspective might be clouded by privilege, you could talk about that, and agree, disagree, or come to no conclusion about the accuracy of the statement.

Are you (and I’d like to ask GunstarGreen also) saying that bringing up privilege is tactical move and no longer an exchange of information?

523 sagehen  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:41:17am

re: #424 Eclectic Cyborg

I always took “unprotected sex” to mean sex without any form of contraception, male or female.

I’m old enough to remember when “safe sex” meant you remembered to set the parking brake…

524 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:51:08am

re: #522 wrenchwench

Presumably if you’re in a conversation with someone on a topic of mutual interest, and they say your perspective might be clouded by privilege, you could talk about that, and agree, disagree, or come to no conclusion about the accuracy of the statement.

Are you (and I’d like to ask Gunstar Green also) saying that bringing up privilege is tactical move and no longer an exchange of information?

I’m saying it can be a tactical move. Often it isn’t, but its the sort of thing that is likely to be weaponized by people seeking to gain an advantage in a debate. Thus I think claims of privilege need to be scrutinized to ensure their legitimacy.

The problem, of course, is that an unscrupulous person could also falsely accuse of someone of weaponization of the charge of ‘privilege’ to shut them up or delegitimize them. I think things really come down to identifying and avoiding assholes, since they’re the one’s most likely to try such a thing.

525 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:55:58am

re: #524 Dark_Falcon

I’m saying it can be a tactical move. Often it isn’t, but its the sort of thing that is likely to be weaponized by people seeking to gain an advantage in a debate. Thus I think claims of privilege need to be scrutinized to ensure their legitimacy.

The problem, of course, is that an unscrupulous person could also falsely accuse of someone of weaponization of the charge of ‘privilege’ to shut them up or delegitimize them. I think things really come down to identifying and avoiding assholes, since they’re the one’s most likely to try such a thing.

It comes down to scrutinizing all claims, and avoiding all assholes.

But I’ve never seen an actual case of someone misusing a claim of ‘you have privilege that you’re not acknowledging’. I see peremptory defenses against it.

526 dr. luba  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:56:48am

re: #508 Pie-onist Overlord

“Anti-Putin opposition in Russia heartily approved of the Ukrainian coup. ” He says that like it’s a bad thing.

And he compares Ukrainian nationalists to those in……….Scotland! The horror!

527 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:00:29am

re: #374 Dr. Matt

Teabagger dollars

Isn’t it against the law to deface currency like that?

528 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:13:06am

re: #492 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Nation’s Shirtless, Shoeless March On Washington For Equal-Service Rights

Brought to a standstill by an “accidental” spilling of toy jacks on the protest route?
// ;P

529 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:20:19am

re: #516 wrenchwench

Constantly available internet access doesn’t erase racism, sexism, ableism, etc. Also, you may have missed this in the graphic GGT posted:

The idea of ‘privilege’ is a meaningful sociological construct. People on Twitter will continue to use it with varying degrees of coherence. People with no internet access will not, of course.

When it is thrown out as a label in a debate with the intent of deriding the opponent’s arguments it needs to be heavily backed up. Otherwise it is simply be used to deflect answering the questions being raised.

(There was a pretty heavy Stonekettle Station essay along these lines a few weeks back.)

530 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:22:47am

re: #433 FemNaziBitch

And you, Erik, are getting a good start on the other deadly sins. I’d say you have Greed, Wrath, and Pride down pat. Possibly Envy will come out of you next. Just a few more to go.


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