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Investigative reporter Julia Angwin was curious what Google knew about her, so she asked the company for her search data. “It turns out I had been doing about 26,000 Google searches a month … and I was amazed at how revealing they were,” she tells Fresh Air’s Dave Davies.

From NSA sweeps to commercial services scraping our Web browsing habits, to all kinds of people tracking us through our smartphones, Angwin says we’ve become a society where indiscriminate data-gathering has become the norm. Angwin has covered online privacy issues for years, and in her new book she describes what she did to try to escape the clutches of data scrapers, even to the point of creating a fake identity.

“I want all the benefits of the information society; all I was trying to do is mitigate some of the risk,” she says.

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1 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:25:40am

Protip: Nothing is free. Any time you deal with any person that’s providing you with a product, service, or data and isn’t trying to sell you anything? You are the product being sold.

2 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:38:38am
3 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:38:53am

re: #1 GunstarGreen

Protip: Nothing is free. Any time you deal with any person that’s providing you with a product, service, or data and isn’t trying to sell you anything? >You are the product being sold.

Good point, and worth remembering.

4 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:44:26am

If you think your desktop/laptop computing acts are being tracked by corporations, they’ve got nothing on the mobile computing business. Every smartphone app, especially the free ones, seek out bits of information about the user.

Apps that you’d think have nothing to do with montezation, like a flashlight, may be opening up doors to data - like phone usage, gps usage, or contact lists.

Heck, most apps seek access (and we blindly accept them) to items on your phones that they have no business seeking. Some of that is the result of lazy coding, but it’s also exposing people to risks that their data will be used for nefarious purposes.

The HP study focused purely on custom business apps, but there’s no reason to believe the issue doesn’t extend to commercial apps you find in the Apple App Store or Google Play. Many apps have access to data or permission to perform functions they shouldn’t.


Almost every app HP tested contained some sort of privacy issue.
If you want to play a game like Angry Birds, there’s no reason that it needs to have access to your contacts, and a weather app probably doesn’t need to be able to send email on your behalf. The security risks in apps go beyond permissions, though. There are issues in how the apps integrate with core functions of the mobile operating system, as well as how they interact with and share information with one another.

In the HP study, 97 percent of the apps contained some sort of privacy issue. HP also found that 86 percent of the apps lack basic security defenses, and 75 percent fail to properly encrypt data. Assuming similar percentages across the hundreds of thousands of consumer apps in the app stores, it’s likely that you have a few security or privacy concerns floating around your smartphone or tablet.

5 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:45:31am

re: #2 Pie-onist Overlord

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Who? Replacing who?

Who are these people and why would anyone want to hear from no talent ass clowns?

6 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:45:37am

I’m carrying this over from the previous thread. Last night Kilgore was all over this comment (see image above Gus captured at Greenwald’s new news site) that was made in regard to a guy that was part of Occupy Wall Street.

Kilgore is all outraged that the guy was stupid enough to comment in Facebook that they were prepared to “shoot cops” during their Oakland protests.

Does anyone else see anywhere where there is any fact that anyone was going to shoot cops?

This will be my last attempt to get Kilgore to respond. Maybe Gus can weigh in too. Outside of that, I will just go with what I think is really going on and be satisfied with that.

7 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:49:55am

IF MISTREATING GAYS IS PART OF UR RELIGION BEN, UR DOIN IT WRONG.

8 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:51:02am

re: #6 ObserverArt

Thanks for continuing to publicize that, I think it’s important for people to see. However I haven’t responded because from the tone of your questions I can tell that we’ll never agree, reach common ground or have a constructive discussion. I’ve been through the process enough times to know it’s pointless. We can just disagree and that’s fine. Also, it used to be a rule around here that carrying out squabbles from thread to thread, day after day, sometimes even years was discouraged. Many people don’t care about past petty squabbles and they can take over the whole blog if they go unchecked.

9 jc717  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:51:36am

Maybe I’m just getting complacent, but for the day to day stuff, I don’t mind if Google or Amazon gather data to suggest better search results or items to purchase. For things that are not well culturally accepted there’s always TOR.
To me this is different than NSA snooping. Private corps are not bound by the 4th amendment.

10 allegro  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:52:00am

re: #6 ObserverArt

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I’m carrying this over from the previous thread. Last night Kilgore was all over this comment (see image above Gus captured at Greenwald’s new news site) that was made in regard to a guy that was part of Occupy Wall Street.

Kilgore is all outraged that the guy was stupid enough to comment in Facebook that they were prepared to “shoot cops” during their Oakland protests.

Does anyone else see anywhere where there is any fact that anyone was going to shoot cops?

This will be my last attempt to get Kilgore to respond. Maybe Gus can weigh in too. Outside of that, I will just go with what I think is really going on and be satisfied with that.

It appears to me that it is saying the opposite, i.e. that violence in response to police would be a bad thing and that this was generally agreed upon by those discussing the issue.

11 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:53:01am

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Killgore, you should answer the question and explain yourself.

Downding for the dodge.

12 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:56:16am

re: #7 Pie-onist Overlord

IF MISTREATING GAYS IS PART OF UR RELIGION BEN, UR DOIN IT WRONG.

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Yet your ability to own a business does spring from the government, Ben.

13 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:58:09am

re: #12 Targetpractice

Yet your ability to own a business >does spring from the government, Ben.

All my rights spring from God, and my God is clearly bigoted against gays, so there.

/

14 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:58:14am

Leave Lenin alone!
Moscow demands new Ukraine authorities to stop monument removal mayhem

“Russia is outraged at the ongoing monument demolition campaing in Ukraine. Yesterday, another barbaric anti-Russia action took place in the Lvov region where the monument to the Russian military commander Mikhail Kutuzov was removed. We demand that new Ukraine authorities put an end to this mayhem,” the Russian Ministry commented on the issue.

15 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:58:40am

re: #12 Targetpractice

Yet your ability to own a business >does spring from the government, Ben.

EVERYONE KNOWS THAT JESUS WROTE THE U.S. COMMERCIAL CODE! HE DID RIGHT AFTER HE WROTE THE CONSTITUTION!11!!

*facepalm*

16 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 9:59:20am

Food for thought.

Why indeed?* Gay = evil, and it once again shows that the socons and GOP are intolerant? They’re biased, and think that if teh Ghey show up, they’ll get cooties?

For all the talk about being small government, the GOP and conservatives are all about regulating up to and into the bedroom (and lady bits; especially the lady bits). They’re all about prohibiting anything they deem to be anti-Christian, which is rather laughable given their Pu-pu platter approach to the Bible (we’ll take one item from column a and another from column b, ignoring all the rest).

And then they cloak their bias with claims that changing things to be more inclusive will be discriminatory against their religious beliefs.

* conservative gay organization? Seeking outreach among those who consider them doomed to hellfire and that they should be treated as second class citizens?

17 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:00:25am

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Leave Lenin alone!
Moscow demands new Ukraine authorities to stop monument removal mayhem

Hey Moscow, we’ll make a deal: We’ll stop tearing down statues and you get the fuck out of our affairs in the Crimean, including removing your puppet from the mayor’s desk. Deal?

18 Lidane  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:01:03am

Sure, why not?

19 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:01:45am

re: #18 Lidane

Sure, why not?

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Yet another wingnut completely clueless at just what is going on in Ukraine right now.

20 BongCrodny  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:02:06am

re: #6 ObserverArt

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I’m carrying this over from the previous thread. Last night Kilgore was all over this comment (see image above Gus captured at Greenwald’s new news site) that was made in regard to a guy that was part of Occupy Wall Street.

That’s what I got out of it as well.

The first part of the quote is: “I argued that any kind of violent defense would not work to our advantage, and everyone agreed…” vis a vis police suppression.

The second part of the quote asks a hypothethical: when it would be appropriate to respond with violence after the police have initiated the violence.

I just don’t get the “these people are prepared to shoot cops” interpretation.

21 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:02:35am

re: #16 lawhawk

given their Pu-pu platter approach to the Bible

‘What would Vladimir do’?

/

22 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:02:37am

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Leave Lenin alone!
Moscow demands new Ukraine authorities to stop monument removal mayhem

Well, Kutuzov is a different case than Lenin, but frankly right now Ukrainians aren’t going to be friendly to any statues of Russians. The likely exceptions would be war memorials depicting common soldiers and monument tanks (most of which are T-34/85s). Those are likely safe.

That said, Ukrainians should try to ensure the Mikhail Kutuzov statue is undamaged and should offer to ship it to Russia at a 50/50 shared expense.

23 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:02:50am

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Leave Lenin alone!
Moscow demands new Ukraine authorities to stop monument removal mayhem

Dear Russia:

Dr. Lizardo

24 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:03:16am

re: #20 BongCrodny

That’s what I got out of it as well.

The first part of the quote is: “I argued that any kind of violent defense would not work to our advantage, and everyone agreed…” vis a vis police suppression.

The second part of the quote asks a hypothethical: when it would be appropriate to respond with violence after the police have initiated the violence.

I just don’t get the “these people are prepared to shoot cops” interpretation.

Reading skills: nigh unto nil, ranting and raving skills: overdeveloped

25 dr. luba  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:03:41am

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Leave Lenin alone!
Moscow demands new Ukraine authorities to stop monument removal mayhem

If they like them so much, they should come and get them and take them back to Mother Russia. They are not Ukrainian heroes, and Ukraine has no obligation to preserve the statues of its oppressors.

26 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:04:38am

re: #11 Dark_Falcon

Killgore, you should answer the question and explain yourself.

Downding for the dodge.

His answer is all I need Dark. it tells me all I need to know about Kilgore Trout.

One point I would like to make though in closing this one. I would think (and hope) that Charles would want honesty and fact backup on this forum/blog. Knowing that part of what made Charles a destination on the ‘net was his digging up the truth about the CBS Bush Letters, etc.

27 Lidane  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:05:49am

Cue the Freeper cries of ZOMG RINOS!:

28 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:07:46am

re: #27 Lidane

Cue the Freeper cries of ZOMG RINOS!:

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It should be noted that the 3 AZ lawmakers who are bitching the loudest about how their votes were are a mistake…were the 3 deciding votes. Had they thought about how this bill would be received before they cast those votes, it would not have passed.

29 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:07:48am

Wait, wait. 26,000 Google searches in a month?

That’s nearly 840 searches per day. Even for an investigative reporter, that seems like an awful lot.

30 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:07:53am

re: #6 ObserverArt

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I’m carrying this over from the previous thread. Last night Kilgore was all over this comment (see image above Gus captured at Greenwald’s new news site) that was made in regard to a guy that was part of Occupy Wall Street.

Kilgore is all outraged that the guy was stupid enough to comment in Facebook that they were prepared to “shoot cops” during their Oakland protests.

Does anyone else see anywhere where there is any fact that anyone was going to shoot cops?

This will be my last attempt to get Kilgore to respond. Maybe Gus can weigh in too. Outside of that, I will just go with what I think is really going on and be satisfied with that.

Killgore is a performance artist, he doesn’t actually want to have a debate. This is the same guy who claimed that a speech by Christopher Hitchens, on the occasion of Canada proposing government censorship, during which speech he talked almost exclusively about government censorship, wasn’t actually about government censorship.

Like most performance, art, it comes off as just a massive self-indulgence.

31 Lidane  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:10:06am

re: #19 Targetpractice

Yet another wingnut completely clueless at just what is going on in Ukraine right now.

To be fair, Phyllis Schlafly has been clueless about everything for decades.

32 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:10:19am

re: #20 BongCrodny

The second part of the quote asks a hypothethical: when it would be appropriate to respond with violence after the police have initiated the violence.

I’m sure it’s been tried before but I doubt premeditated self defense against lawful police activity is not a viable legal defense. Also the dude seems fairly certain that the specific conversation led to the warning about protesters shooting police. Why would he be so convinced? If it really was a non violent strategy discussion he would assume the warning came from somewhere else. He knows the warning came from that specific conversation for good reason.
I also strongly suspect that if that comment had been posted by a Tea Party organizer you would have no trouble interpreting it correctly. I’m not that flexible.

33 jc717  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:11:53am

re: #29 makeitstop

Wait, wait. 26,000 Google searches in a month?

That’s nearly 840 searches per day. Even for an investigative reporter, that seems like an awful lot.

Math! How does that work? Your can’t explain it!
Sorry… in a bit of a silly mood today.
Yeah, that’s about 1 search per minute, on average, for each hour being awake (assuming a non-insomniac 16 hour awake cycle). Seems like internet addiction to me.

34 iossarian  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:12:04am

re: #32 Killgore Trout

I also strongly suspect that if that comment had been posted by a Tea Party organizer you would have no trouble interpreting it correctly. I’m not that flexible.

OK, this made me laugh.

35 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:12:53am

re: #28 Targetpractice

It should be noted that the 3 AZ lawmakers who are bitching the loudest about how their votes were are a mistake…were the 3 deciding votes. Had they thought about how this bill would be received before they cast those votes, it would not have passed.

In other words, pathetic, dithering POSs

36 iossarian  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:13:31am

re: #29 makeitstop

Wait, wait. 26,000 Google searches in a month?

That’s nearly 840 searches per day. Even for an investigative reporter, that seems like an awful lot.

Next we’ll be finding out that journalists get power and energy confused when talking about solar and wind installations.

37 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:13:42am

re: #30 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Killgore is a performance artist, he doesn’t actually want to have a debate. This is the same guy who claimed that a speech by Christopher Hitchens, on the occasion of Canada proposing government censorship, during which speech he talked almost exclusively about government censorship, wasn’t actually about government censorship.

Like most performance, art, it comes off as just a massive self-indulgence.

I think it is pathetic. I like how he says in response he doesn’t like my tone and we will never agree. Tone? I kept it clean and to the point. I guess having to ask three times is tone. Agree? I will never agree when there are no facts to agree on.

38 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:15:06am

re: #29 makeitstop

800 per day. 100 per hour in a 8 hour work day. All you’re doing is searches.

26,000 searches for the year might be closer to reality (and a likely typo).

26,000 works out to about 2166 per month or about 100 per day. That works out to a bit more than 13 per hour. It’s still a lot but more manageable.

39 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:15:18am

re: #37 ObserverArt

I think it is pathetic. I like how he says in response he doesn’t like my tone and we will never agree. Tone? I kept it clean and to the point. I guess having to ask three times is tone. Agree? I will never agree when there are no facts to agree on.

Forget it, Jake Art - it’s Chinatown Killgore.

40 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:17:03am

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Also, it used to be a rule around here that carrying out squabbles from thread to thread, day after day, sometimes even years was discouraged. Many people don’t care about past petty squabbles and they can take over the whole blog if they go unchecked.

This part is actually especially funny. Basically, Killgore has said and done a lot of really stupid, egregious shit, like creepily celebrating women getting assaulted while making up bizarre bullshit about them, declared himself a “Classical liberal” based on a quick skim of Wikipedia and then gotten the most basic tenant of how classical liberalism views the assignation of rights wrong, and other self-clownings like being not just wrong, but the opposite of right about the Hitchens video I cited above.

Think about it: Who is it who prefers that past arguments get dropped—those for whom the arguments show them in a good light, or those for whom the arguments show them negatively?

There’s certainly no point in constantly bringing up something that’s actually trivial or petty, but things that are substantially wrong—like being the kind of weirdo that declares on zero basis that two women getting pepper-sprayed by cops deserve it for being violent Marxist trustfunders—that’s the kind of thing that should be brought up.

You can’t really be an honest debater without acknowledging past mistakes. You don’t have to make a complete obeisance about it, but when you pull the exact same stunt, you’re going to have to expect them to be brought up again.

41 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:17:21am

re: #32 Killgore Trout

I’m sure it’s been tried before but I doubt premeditated self defense against lawful police activity is not a viable legal defense. Also the dude seems fairly certain that the specific conversation led to the warning about protesters shooting police. Why would he be so convinced? If it really was a non violent strategy discussion he would assume the warning came from somewhere else. He knows the warning came from that specific conversation for good reason.
I also strongly suspect that if that comment had been posted by a Tea Party organizer you would have no trouble interpreting it correctly. I’m not that flexible.

To be fair, the discussion didn’t deal with preemptive defense, which would have meant actions such as shooting riot police as they approached. Instead the comment states the conversation was about “defending ourselves against police suppression” which implies a reactive approach after contact.

Preemptive tactics were not discussed in that comment, so you should not allege them.

42 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:17:48am

Old Asshole Golfer Has “Thought” About Michael Sam. From DS

Old Asshole Golfer Has Thought About Michael Sam

43 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:18:03am

re: #37 ObserverArt

I think it is pathetic. I like how he says in response he doesn’t like my tone and we will never agree. Tone? I kept it clean and to the point. I guess having to ask three times is tone. Agree? I will never agree when there are no facts to agree on.

Your tone is that you’re making a coherent argument that he doesn’t have anything approaching an answer to.

Such an awful tone.

44 allegro  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:20:33am

re: #28 Targetpractice

It should be noted that the 3 AZ lawmakers who are bitching the loudest about how their votes were are a mistake…were the 3 deciding votes. Had they thought about how this bill would be received before they cast those votes, it would not have passed.

I think they are genuinely surprised at the intensely negative reaction, thus proving the insular bubble they inhabit. I think they expected applause, not “we are so sick of your hateful shit.” That Gov Brewer is taking so long to veto this foul bill is quite telling as well.

45 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:20:41am

re: #32 Killgore Trout

I’m sure it’s been tried before but I doubt premeditated self defense against lawful police activity is not a viable legal defense. Also the dude seems fairly certain that the specific conversation led to the warning about protesters shooting police. Why would he be so convinced? If it really was a non violent strategy discussion he would assume the warning came from somewhere else. He knows the warning came from that specific conversation for good reason.
I also strongly suspect that if that comment had been posted by a Tea Party organizer you would have no trouble interpreting it correctly. I’m not that flexible.

Pathetic. You know, all this makes me wonder what you really thought about the whole Euromaiden protests in Ukraine these last few months. I have a pretty good idea though.

46 BongCrodny  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:22:00am

re: #32 Killgore Trout

I’m sure it’s been tried before but I doubt premeditated self defense against lawful police activity is not a viable legal defense. Also the dude seems fairly certain that the specific conversation led to the warning about protesters shooting police. Why would he be so convinced? If it really was a non violent strategy discussion he would assume the warning came from somewhere else. He knows the warning came from that specific conversation for good reason.
I also strongly suspect that if that comment had been posted by a Tea Party organizer you would have no trouble interpreting it correctly. I’m not that flexible.

Violent people tend not to back off when encountered with the prospect of violence.

This guy is basically shitting his pants.

47 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:22:09am

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, the discussion didn’t deal with preemptive defense, which would have meant actions such as shooting riot police as they approached. Instead the comment states the conversation was about “defending ourselves against police suppression” which implies a reactive approach after contact.

Preemptive tactics were not discussed in that comment, so you should not allege them.

There’s actually two questions: One is what right do you have to resist police aggression, and the other what you should do in practical terms. For the citizens of Venezuela right now, this is more than a theoretical question. For many citizens of the US throughout history, like striking workers, black men targeted by the police, gay men in raided bars, this has been a non-academic question. The Stonewall Riots were exactly people resisting police violence with violence.

It is an interesting and complex area both in theory and in practice, and the flip side of it—how restrained the police should be in the use of force, is likewise interesting. Force is the easy choice in either case, and, I strongly feel, the wrong choice in most cases. Breaking up protests with police force, or responding to even an illegitimate arrest with force are, questions of rights aside, practical mistakes.

48 Kragar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:22:25am

So I drive into work this morning, then realize a block from base that I didn’t have my ID, knowing its probably sitting at my cubicle at my office like a few months ago. No problem, I’ve been able to use my building ID to get on base before.

So I get to the gate, and of course I get the hard ass. Pulls me over for a vehicle search, then tells me I have to pull completely off base before I can circle around the 20ft it would take me to reach the visitor’s center to call into my office.

I pull around to the visitor’s center and use the courtesy phone. No one in my office is picking up any of their phones.

So I drive all the way home, I have to call fricking Norfolk to find anyone in the office, just so they can send an email to the San Diego team to tell them to call me at home.

Fuck it, I’m not driving back in to the base today.

49 b.d.  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:22:29am

Can’t talk now, Googling.

Must. Google. More.

50 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:22:56am

re: #42 Dr. Matt

Old Asshole Golfer Has “Thought” About Michael Sam. From DS

Old Asshole Golfer Has Thought About Michael Sam

Ha ha a gays are effeminate joke.

51 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:23:40am

re: #30 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Killgore is a performance artist, he doesn’t actually want to have a debate. This is the same guy who claimed that a speech by Christopher Hitchens, on the occasion of Canada proposing government censorship, during which speech he talked almost exclusively about government censorship, wasn’t actually about government censorship.

Like most performance, art, it comes off as just a massive self-indulgence.

No. He’s a Troll.

People keep trying to excuse him but he stopped being anything else shortly after OWS happened. Now he’s just counting on reputation to get away with crap.

52 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:23:48am

re: #37 ObserverArt

I will never agree when there are no facts to agree on.

That proves my point that the discussion would not be productive and here we are.

53 BongCrodny  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:24:30am

re: #42 Dr. Matt

Old Asshole Golfer Has “Thought” About Michael Sam. From DS

Old Asshole Golfer Has Thought About Michael Sam

I’ve got an idea: let’s put Michael Sam and Steve Elkington in the ThunderDome.

I’ve got a sneaking suspicion I know who’s going to come out alive.

54 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:24:54am

re: #18 Lidane

Sure, why not?

Schlafly agrees with TV host who suggests Ukraine-style uprising to keep “America for Americans”

Translation: Keep America for white, ‘Christian’ conservatives.

55 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:25:08am

re: #52 Killgore Trout

That proves my point that the discussion would not be productive and here we are.

Pathetic. And there you are.

56 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:25:13am

re: #50 HappyWarrior

Ha ha a gays are effeminate joke.

Yup. Teh Gays are gurly. So gurly that Elkington should say that to Michael Sam’s face.

57 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:25:36am

re: #44 allegro

I think they are genuinely surprised at the intensely negative reaction, thus proving the insular bubble they inhabit. I think they expected applause, not “we are so sick of your hateful shit.” That Gov Brewer is taking so long to veto this foul bill is quite telling as well.

There wasn’t any reversal on the part of Republicans after the backlash from SB1070 (the anti-immigrant bill), and that backlash was stronger, louder, and more sustained. I think some Repubs just discovered that many gay people are white and have plenty of money, and some are even members of their Party.

58 iossarian  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:25:52am

re: #52 Killgore Trout

That proves my point that the discussion would not be productive and here we are.

1) Claim discussion will not be productive
2) Refuse to engage in productive discussion
3) Point to 1
4) Score big internet points

59 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:26:10am

re: #51 William Barnett-Lewis

No. He’s a Troll.

People keep trying to excuse him but he stopped being anything else shortly after OWS happened. Now he’s just counting on reputation to get away with crap.

I consider ‘performance artist’ to be less redeemable than ‘troll’.

I don’t bother trying to figure out why passive-aggressive people do what they do, there’s really no point. Motive is the slipperiest of fishes, and in the end is irrelevant. It doesn’t matter, for example, whether some GOP candidate who endorses white supremacist positions is actually a sincere racist or not, or whether the motive is purely cynical. The end is the same.

60 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:26:17am

re: #52 Killgore Trout

That proves my point that the discussion would not be productive and here we are.

No it doesn’t.

61 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:26:49am

Just sayn’…….

62 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:27:31am

re: #52 Killgore Trout

That proves my point that the discussion would not be productive and here we are.

It is unproductive because you are not actually defending your argument. Do that, Killgore, and I’ll defend you even if you’re wrong. But don’t complain about the playing field here. As I’ve stated before, Obdicut is a fair man, and if your case is properly and honestly made he’s not going to insult or ridicule you.

Man up, friend!

63 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:27:33am

re: #56 Dr. Matt

Yup. Teh Gays are gurly. So gurly that Elkington should say that to Michael Sam’s face.

I think I got a better chance of going out with Emmy Rossum tonight then that.

64 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:27:59am

re: #56 Dr. Matt

Sam will probably follow Jackie Robinson’s lead - have the courage not to fight when baited by the ignorant, the foolish, and the bigoted.

65 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:28:44am

re: #57 wrenchwench

There wasn’t any reversal on the part of Republicans after the backlash from SB1070 (the anti-immigrant bill), and that backlash was stronger, louder, and more sustained. I think some Repubs just discovered that many gay people are white and have plenty of money, and some are even members of their Party.

I know someone in Phoenix who fits that bill, an old college buddy who came out years later. I also suspect someone in the NFL made a few calls and intimated that they can still move the 2015 Superbowl…

66 Kragar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:28:45am
67 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:28:48am

re: #62 Dark_Falcon

This didn’t start with me, this is another person making a straightforward coherent argument that Killgore simply detests the tone of.

68 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:31:12am

re: #64 lawhawk

Sam will probably follow Jackie Robinson’s lead - have the courage not to fight when baited by the ignorant, the foolish, and the bigoted.

Well I hope he doesn’t pay the price in the long run. Poor Jackie left us way too young. It’s going to be tough for him but we’ll see people of true character and decency emerge in this though we’ll also see true shit heads too like this loser.

69 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:31:31am

re: #66 Kragar

‘Daily Show’ obliterates Fox News Confederate apologist: ‘I just un-f*cked your facts’ | The Raw Story

The Civil War could have been avoided if Lincoln had simply bought and freed all the slaves…and Trayvon Martin could still be alive if he had simply cooperated with George Zimmermann…

70 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:32:45am

re: #27 Lidane

Cue the Freeper cries of ZOMG RINOS!:

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Comment that arrived as I was reading the article.

Freedom4Me 1 minute ago

The Left as usual, don’t understand the real issues. This is not about homosexuals, it is about FREEDOM OF RELIGION as guaranteed in THE CONSTITUTION. Obama invited 1000 Muslim Brotherhood to have there prayer on the East Lawn of the White House, and Christians should be able to practice our faith according to our own Book.

You notice it’s ‘Freedom4me’. Because of course libtards should be serfs, or dead.

Also, I loathe their poor spelling and grammar, and where did they pull up the fact about the ‘Muslim Brotherhood’ from?

71 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:33:39am

Just had a horrible thought.

Is Jeb Bush planning on grabbing the 2016 nomination while all the teabaggers kill each other off?

72 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:33:59am

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Also, it used to be a rule around here that carrying out squabbles from thread to thread, day after day, sometimes even years was discouraged. Many people don’t care about past petty squabbles and they can take over the whole blog if they go unchecked.

LOL, says the guy who’s been dragging the carcass of the OWS movement into countless threads since it began almost 2.5 years ago.

73 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:34:33am

This looks like it was crayoned by a 10 year old

74 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:35:39am

re: #63 HappyWarrior

I think I got a better chance of going out with Emmy Rossum tonight then that.

I just recently got addicted to Shameless….and Emmy. Hubba hubba.

75 Kragar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:35:57am

re: #71 Pie-onist Overlord

Just had a horrible thought.

Is Jeb Bush planning on grabbing the 2016 nomination while all the teabaggers kill each other off?

The Australian speed skater strategy?

76 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:36:24am

re: #67 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

This didn’t start with me, this is another person making a straightforward coherent argument that Killgore simply detests the tone of.

True, but your fairness is something that I at times appeal to when attempting to get someone to argue properly instead of skulking.

If that bothers you I’ll stop doing it.

77 Weet  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:36:46am
78 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:37:12am

re: #74 Dr. Matt

I just recently got addicted to Shameless….and Emmy. Hubba hubba.

Esquire had a nice feature on her a couple months back. Not only a quite attractive woman but she’s likable too.

79 chadu  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:37:23am

O/T

Excuse me, I got something in my eye…

80 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:37:46am

re: #77 Weet

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Yeah I saw that. These guys are trying to lose the woman’s vote on purpose right?

81 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:38:59am

re: #71 Pie-onist Overlord

Just had a horrible thought.

Is Jeb Bush planning on grabbing the 2016 nomination while all the teabaggers kill each other off?

Maybe but I think he’ll end up like Mitt if he does that. A shameless panderer and one carrying a name that we’re all sick of.

82 Lidane  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:41:02am

re: #79 chadu

83 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:41:50am

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

True, but your fairness is something that I at times appeal to when attempting to get someone to argue properly instead of skulking.

If that bothers you I’ll stop doing it.

No worries.

Also, you might enjoy this:

oyc.yale.edu

Yale recorded their civil war history course and put it online.

84 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:43:30am

re: #80 HappyWarrior

Yeah I saw that. These guys are trying to lose the woman’s vote on purpose right?

Actually I suspect that they think they now have enough power that they can take the vote from women. So they don’t give a shit if they say things like this because women aren’t going to be able to do anything about it by the next election.

85 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:43:55am

re: #82 Lidane

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And he knows that when he gets where ever he was headed to answer “Yes” if someone asks him if he is a god.

86 Kragar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:44:49am

Oh sure, now the motherfuckers call me back.

87 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:45:01am

re: #84 Romantic Heretic

Actually I suspect that they think they now have enough power that they can take the vote from women. So they don’t give a shit if they say things like this because women aren’t going to be able to do anything about it by the next election.

I guess my hope then is that they are making a serious miscalculation.

88 Lidane  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:47:12am
89 chadu  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:47:37am
“It turns out I had been doing about 26,000 Google searches a month … and I was amazed at how revealing they were,” she tells Fresh Air’s Dave Davies.

Yeah, I’d say (mine, subtly edited, past two weeks):

bumblebee bat
dune re-dub
agent provocateur
wild wild west lyrics
izzard weirdo transvestite
leg lamp christmas story
restaurants open sunday washington pa
royals lyrics
jesus scourged money changers
totoro
catbus
white quenya sindarin
what kind of dog should i get
shirley temple drink
robert louis stevenson
slow cooker tagine
keep calm dresden

90 Lidane  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:47:43am

re: #86 Kragar

Oh sure, now the motherfuckers call me back.

Did they wait until you were pulling into your driveway?

91 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:48:20am

re: #90 Lidane

Did they wait until you were pulling into your driveway?

Nope. Let him get into the house and take his shoes off.

92 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:48:23am

re: #29 makeitstop

Wait, wait. 26,000 Google searches in a month?

That’s nearly 840 searches per day. Even for an investigative reporter, that seems like an awful lot.

Pretty sure Google’s fancy new speed-search system factors into that. Instead of typing a phrase and hitting return to search on the phrase, you type in the search box and Teh Googlez automatically searches letter-by-letter in an attempt to save you two or three keypresses.

93 Stanley Sea  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:48:54am

re: #42 Dr. Matt

Old Asshole Golfer Has “Thought” About Michael Sam. From DS

Old Asshole Golfer Has Thought About Michael Sam

Used to like Elk. Now he’s just an old asshole privileged golfer.

94 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:49:53am

re: #80 HappyWarrior

Yeah I saw that. These guys are trying to lose the woman’s vote on purpose right?

No, they’re just fairly certain that they’ve got the women they care about — the ones that vote straight R solely on the issue of abortion/teh gay/dem lib’ruls/etc. — locked up.

95 Kragar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:49:56am

re: #90 Lidane

Did they wait until you were pulling into your driveway?

I was just getting ready to change my clothes, now I’ve got to be back there at noon to pick up my ID, then go into the office and not get anything done till tomorrow.

96 Lidane  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:50:07am

re: #91 Feline Fearless Leader

Nope. Let him get into the house and take his shoes off.

Well that’s just rude. :p

97 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:51:18am

re: #88 Lidane

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Yeah you’ll become second class citizens by having to deal with the fact that there are other people in this world who aren’t you. Religious right= biggest babies in the whole world. Waah, we’re not allowed to discriminate so we’re the real victims here!

98 chadu  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:51:47am

re: #16 lawhawk

Food for thought.

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Why indeed?* Gay = evil, and it once again shows that the socons and GOP are intolerant? They’re biased, and think that if teh Ghey show up, they’ll get cooties?

Well, this shows that CPAC believes aetheism is “less evil” than teh ghey.

By the Transitive Property, we should be able to get a good metric of CPAC’s De Ebil!11!!1ty scale soon.

99 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:52:54am

re: #83 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

No worries.

Also, you might enjoy this:

oyc.yale.edu

Yale recorded their civil war history course and put it online.

Thank you.

100 chadu  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:52:58am

re: #23 Dr Lizardo

Image snaffled for later use.

101 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:53:19am

re: #89 chadu

You can run number of searches up pretty quick when trying to hone down to the proper set of keywords.

I was trying to find whether or not you could get a small, simple, shelf that could potentially be put inside a box in order to keep a heavy object (that I want to take out of the box first) from crushing a bunch of smaller objects that would also be in the box. Alternate was finding a basket of an appropriate size to fit in the box to hold the small objects - but hard since these objects (small boxes) almost fill the rest of the box space.

I probably did 50+ separate search queries in under a half hour simply tweaking key words between “shelf”, “box”, “wire”, etc. and trying to narrow results to (hopefully?) appropriate sites.

102 chadu  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:54:08am

O/T

I have chai tea, and you probably don’t.

In other news, Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.

103 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:55:35am

re: #102 chadu

O/T

I have chai tea, and you probably don’t.

In other news, Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.

We had some Earl Grey K-cups here at work, but I dranked it all. :(

Haven’t seen the Chai K-cups for a few weeks either.

104 Lidane  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:56:47am
105 chadu  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:57:05am

re: #32 Killgore Trout

I’m sure it’s been tried before but I doubt premeditated self defense against lawful police activity is not a viable legal defense. Also the dude seems fairly certain that the specific conversation led to the warning about protesters shooting police. Why would he be so convinced? If it really was a non violent strategy discussion he would assume the warning came from somewhere else. He knows the warning came from that specific conversation for good reason.
I also strongly suspect that if that comment had been posted by a Tea Party organizer you would have no trouble interpreting it correctly. I’m not that flexible.

Show me “agents provocateur”!

(/richarddawsononthefeud)

106 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:58:05am

re: #16 lawhawk

Food for thought.

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Why indeed?* Gay = evil, and it once again shows that the socons and GOP are intolerant? They’re biased, and think that if teh Ghey show up, they’ll get cooties?

For all the talk about being small government, the GOP and conservatives are all about regulating up to and into the bedroom (and lady bits; especially the lady bits). They’re all about prohibiting anything they deem to be anti-Christian, which is rather laughable given their Pu-pu platter approach to the Bible (we’ll take one item from column a and another from column b, ignoring all the rest).

And then they cloak their bias with claims that changing things to be more inclusive will be discriminatory against their religious beliefs.

* conservative gay organization? Seeking outreach among those who consider them doomed to hellfire and that they should be treated as second class citizens?

I will never understand the Log Cabin Republicans. When a political party explicitly informs me, in no uncertain terms, that it wants nothing to do with me and would prefer that I have fewer rights than anyone else? I do not support that party.

I mean… what, is it some twisted sort of stockholm syndrome? Or is LCR really composed of people who have decided, very literally, that money is more important than people?

107 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:58:15am

re: #7 Pie-onist Overlord

IF MISTREATING GAYS IS PART OF UR RELIGION BEN, UR DOIN IT WRONG.

Hey Ben, keep your religious practices out of the government and we have a deal.

108 chadu  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:59:33am

re: #42 Dr. Matt

Old Asshole Golfer Has “Thought” About Michael Sam. From DS

Old Asshole Golfer Has Thought About Michael Sam

Methinks most of these idiots have never met any butch, bear, or leather daddy gay guys.

Seriously.

109 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:00:37am

re: #106 GunstarGreen

I will never understand the Log Cabin Republicans. When a political party explicitly informs me, in no uncertain terms, that it wants nothing to do with me and would prefer that I have fewer rights than anyone else? >I do not support that party.

I mean… what, is it some twisted sort of stockholm syndrome? Or is LCR really composed of people who have decided, very literally, that money is more important than people?

All I can guess is that they believe that their economic and social status plus membership in the ruling oligarchy is going to protect them from the repercussions and 2nd class citizenship.

110 chadu  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:00:52am

re: #49 b.d.

Can’t talk now, Googling.

Must. Google. More.

Use both hands, b.d.

111 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:01:38am

re: #106 GunstarGreen

This just in… the Atheists have been disinvited from CPAC.

112 chadu  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:02:19am

re: #50 HappyWarrior

Ha ha a gays are effeminate joke.

Hey, you hear the one about Asians are terrible drivers? What about how women are terrible drivers? I got one about an Asian woman terrible driver that will knock your socks off!

/

113 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:02:38am

re: #106 GunstarGreen

I will never understand the Log Cabin Republicans. When a political party explicitly informs me, in no uncertain terms, that it wants nothing to do with me and would prefer that I have fewer rights than anyone else? >I do not support that party.

I mean… what, is it some twisted sort of stockholm syndrome? Or is LCR really composed of people who have decided, very literally, that money is more important than people?

I don’t either. Ever since Reagan’s nomination, the GOP has made it pretty clear that they’re hostile to the interests of gays and lesbians but I guess the LCR either stay because of other prejudices that the Republicans exploit or their own greed.

114 Kragar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:03:07am
115 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:03:13am

re: #112 chadu

Hey, you hear the one about Asians are terrible drivers? What about how women are terrible drivers? I got one about an Asian woman terrible driver that will knock your socks off!

/

Did you hear the one about the drunk Irishman! Man it was a riot. I mean I’ve told it over a billion times but it’s still witty as can be!

116 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:03:48am

re: #111 lawhawk

This just in… the Atheists have been disinvited from CPAC.

They’re being replaced by a performance of Aristophanes’ “The Frogs”.
//

117 Lidane  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:03:57am

re: #108 chadu

Methinks most of these idiots have never met any butch, bear, or leather daddy gay guys.

Seriously.

Or any of the musclebound gym bunnies.

118 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:04:32am

re: #111 lawhawk

This just in… the Atheists have been disinvited from CPAC.

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Who the hell would want to go to CPAC anyhow really. It’s just a circle jerk for right wingers to sit around and talk about how great things were before Obama ruined everything and how liberals are responsible for all the world’s evils and no conservative has ever done a bad thing ever*
*Except raise taxes then he becomes a liberal

119 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:04:49am

re: #67 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

This didn’t start with me, this is another person making a straightforward coherent argument that Killgore simply detests the tone of.

Thank you. I was hoping Dark doesn’t think I am being dishonest since he directed this comment to you.

120 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:05:06am

re: #117 Lidane

Or any of the musclebound gym bunnies.

or really any gay guy who isn’t a walking caricature.

121 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:05:56am

re: #112 chadu

Hey, you hear the one about Asians are terrible drivers? What about how women are terrible drivers? I got one about an Asian woman terrible driver that will knock your socks off!

/

I’ve noticed recently that when relating anecdotes about observations of interactions with people I purposefully avoid mentioning ethnicity or gender. It’s doesn’t matter regarding the ignorance or idiocy I am describing, and I don’t want that fact acting as a distraction.

122 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:08:30am

re: #73 Pie-onist Overlord

This looks like it was crayoned by a 10 year old

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Fit’s the intellectual level?

123 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:08:32am

re: #119 ObserverArt

Thank you. I was hoping Dark doesn’t think I am being dishonest since he directed this comment to you.

No, I don’t think you’re dishonest.

124 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:09:04am

re: #71 Pie-onist Overlord

Just had a horrible thought.

Is Jeb Bush planning on grabbing the 2016 nomination while all the teabaggers kill each other off?

Most likely. This way he will show up ready to be begged to run and he will have less stench to cover over.

125 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:09:29am

re: #79 chadu

O/T

Excuse me, I got something in my eye…

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Took me a moment. Nice one, indeed.

126 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:10:17am

Greetings Team SIGDEV.

127 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:10:49am

re: #118 HappyWarrior

Remember that one time, at CPAC, when a bunch of adult Republicans stood around and actively listened to a 12-year-old explaining their own ideology to them? And how they hailed him as some sort of hero?

And then how that 12-year-old grew up a few years later and said “Lol, I was such a stupid kid back then”?

128 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:11:42am

re: #126 Gus

Greetings Team SIGDEV.

I’m on team OYITSCOLD today.

129 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:11:42am

re: #124 ObserverArt

Most likely. This way he will show up ready to be begged to run and he will have less stench to cover over.

Like he thinks nobody will notice that he’s a Bush? That stinks pretty horrible.

130 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:11:46am

re: #114 Kragar

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Amen.

131 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:11:58am
132 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:12:54am

re: #128 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I’m on team OYITSCOLD today.

I’m actually with NAVCOMWESTPACNINCOMPOOP SIGDEV.

133 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:12:59am

How can a 6-year-old be a “Conservative”?
Oh they all are.

134 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:13:07am

In triplicate.

135 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:13:22am

re: #94 GunstarGreen

No, they’re just fairly certain that they’ve got the women they care about — the ones that vote straight R solely on the issue of abortion/teh gay/dem lib’ruls/etc. — locked up.

Why does the name ‘Clarice’ pop into mind when I hear ‘GOP’ and ‘women locked up’?

136 Lidane  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:13:36am
137 chadu  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:13:55am

re: #66 Kragar

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SPOILERS!

The closing lines are the money shot.

You know that sadness and rage you feel about your money? That’s the same way some of us feel about people.

138 Kragar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:15:33am

re: #133 Pie-onist Overlord

How can a 6-year-old be a “Conservative”?
Oh they all are.

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The same way a person can be born a Christian.

Conversely, gay people only exist because of years of indoctrination by public schools and the media.

139 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:15:45am

re: #133 Pie-onist Overlord

How can a 6-year-old be a “Conservative”?
Oh they all are.

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Just like all conservatives are responsible for the death threats directed at the girl on the Disney show with the lesbian parents.//

140 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:16:09am

What 6 year old?

141 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:16:32am

Every day is a learning experience. //

142 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:17:08am

re: #138 Kragar

The same way a person can be born a Christian.

Conversely, gay people only exist because of years of indoctrination by public schools and the media.

Yep. Gymnastics is part of gay indoctrination. //

143 chadu  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:18:11am

re: #103 Feline Fearless Leader

We had some Earl Grey K-cups here at work, but I dranked it all. :(

Lemon Zinger K-Cups are like hen’s teeth around here… unless I go to MalWart.

144 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:18:18am

Any Lizards in and around the Denver, CO area, keep your eyes peeled for this fellow:

U.S. marshals have launched a search for an “extremely violent” sex offender from Snohomish County who cut off his GPS bracelet and disappeared in Denver four days ago, authorities said.

Eric Eugene Hartwell, 51, was arrested and convicted in Washington state for the rape of a 6-year-old child in 1991. He was again convicted of indecent liberties in 1996 while on court-ordered supervision.

He was paroled Dec. 20, 2013, according to the Colorado Department of Corrections. Last Friday, authorities found his electronic tracking bracelet at a halfway house. Hartwell had disappeared.

katu.com

145 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:18:18am

re: #133 Pie-onist Overlord

How can a 6-year-old be a “Conservative”?
Oh they all are.

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We have now reached the point where Very Serious People consider random Youtube troll comments to be legit newz, and use them as examples of “da oppozishun” with a completely straight face.

Summon the meteors. It’s time for this farce we call a nation to end.

Summon the Meteors

146 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:19:05am

Truth be told, gymnastics class is part of BigOrthopedic™.

147 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:19:17am

re: #131 Gus

Lest we forget, Greenwald was, and still is, the one, the only, Socky Sockpuppet.

148 Kragar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:20:03am


Though they say they can’t produce data showing that Asian immigrants actually practice selective-sex abortion, enthusiastic Republican lawmakers made the case last week, when the South Dakota House passed a bill banning the practice by a vote of 60 to 10.
149 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:20:08am

re: #108 chadu

Methinks most of these idiots have never met any butch, bear, or leather daddy gay guys.

Seriously.

I make that point many times. There are a lot of manly men that are gay. Stereotypes can make for some very uncomfortable situations.

150 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:20:28am

re: #142 Gus

Yep. Gymnastics is part of gay indoctrination. //

Thought that was figure skating. /it’s hard and it’s fabulous… /oh myyyy

151 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:20:41am

re: #147 lawhawk

Lest we forget, Greenwald was, and still is, the one, the only, Socky Sockpuppet.

Glenn Greenwald. Officer in SOCKYMCSOCKPUPPETDEV SOUTHPAC.

152 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:21:22am

re: #148 Kragar

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Glad they’re concerned about what’s important. Now to ban Sharia Law in a state where the number of Muslim residents can be counted on your digits.

153 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:21:41am

re: #148 Kragar

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Asian threat? India or Pakistan? //

154 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:22:13am

re: #153 Gus

Asian threat? India or Pakistan? //

Think this is more Sinophobia.

155 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:22:44am
156 GlutenFreeJesus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:22:57am

re: #27 Lidane

Cue the Freeper cries of ZOMG RINOS!:

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Not out of principle, but for the love of $$$.

157 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:23:09am

re: #154 HappyWarrior

Think this is more Sinophobia.

Thailand or South Korea? //

158 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:23:10am

Unintentional hilarity:

159 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:23:30am

re: #154 HappyWarrior

Think this is more Sinophobia.

Yellow Planned Parenthood Peril.

160 chadu  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:23:48am

re: #111 lawhawk

This just in… the Atheists have been disinvited from CPAC.

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(tears up calculations)

Dammit, that’s literally moments of research on the CPAC Transitive Evil Scale of Evilness wasted!

(I get to keep the grant money,* right?)

* Well, it wasn’t grant** “money”, per se, but a plastic button and a soft taco***.
** Well, it was less of a grant and more “what I found behind the sofa.”
*** Well, it was more of half a taco****.
**** A stale taco.*****
***** I caught Stale Taco at Wolf Trap in ‘91, opening for Los Lobos. Shit was tight, mang.******
****** Or womang.

161 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:23:49am

re: #123 Dark_Falcon

No, I don’t think you’re dishonest.

Thanks Dark. I would never want to disappoint the good nuns that schooled me in honesty, truth seeking and how to properly debate!

162 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:24:10am

re: #148 Kragar

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WT actual F?

Why didn’t they just scream YELLOW PERIL!! and be done with it?

FFS. The GOP is descending into the depths, nay, the very bowels of bottom-feeding racism and misogyny.

163 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:25:10am

re: #158 Pie-onist Overlord

Unintentional hilarity:

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Anyone can post unflattering photos. Oh and my brother has that Superlative Conspiracy tee but in green!

164 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:25:23am

re: #149 ObserverArt

I make that point many times. There are a lot of manly men that are gay. Stereotypes can make for some very uncomfortable situations.

My last boss was gay. He was also the buffest, most athletic man I have ever seen in my entire life, by a long shot. Actually inspired me to finally stop being a fatty and get fit myself.

165 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:25:30am

re: #159 Decatur Deb

Yellow Planned Parenthood Peril.

We have a winner.

166 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:25:42am

re: #129 Pie-onist Overlord

Like he thinks nobody will notice that he’s a Bush? That stinks pretty horrible.

Yeah, but when he finds himself standing atop the garbage heap, even a skunk smells pretty good!

167 Lidane  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:25:42am

Mental health break:

168 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:26:28am

re: #166 ObserverArt

Yeah, but when he finds himself standing atop the garbage heap, even a skunk smells pretty good!

True bush smells better than santorum. I’ll be here all week.

169 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:26:56am

Wait! I figured it out! They’re talking about THE PEOPLE’S REPUBLIC OF CHINA!

Chin-Lee!

[Chop]

170 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:27:22am

re: #144 Dr Lizardo

Any Lizards in and around the Denver, CO area, keep your eyes peeled for this fellow:

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katu.com

I can’t believe the number of low-lifes who originate from Snohomish County. Seemed like such a nice place when I lived there.

171 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:27:34am

Alright, we’ll keep the blacks but we don’t want the Irish!

172 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:27:54am

Seriously though. “Asian” is such a goofy identifier.

173 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:28:06am

re: #166 ObserverArt

Yeah, but when he finds himself standing atop the garbage heap, even a skunk smells pretty good!

Jeb wisely kept his distance from the 2012 nomination race, he can step in to win it in 2016 after all the other candidates demonstrate what a bunch of pathetic idiots they are.

174 chadu  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:28:26am

re: #114 Kragar

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Thomas Lennon (as Old Fashioned Guy): Maybe I’m old-fashioned, but it seems to me that when the giant that holds up the earth dies, we are screeewwwed.

Thomas Lennon (as Old Fashioned Guy): Call me old fashioned; but I think fire is magic, and it scares me a lot.

Thomas Lennon (as Old Fashioned Guy): Maybe I’m old-fashioned, but women voters? Welcome to planet Mars! I’ll be over in my spaceship.

Thomas Lennon (as Old Fashioned Guy): Call me old fashioned but I still believe there is only one true God. And he lives in this lake. And his name is Zorgo.

Thomas Lennon (as Old Fashioned Guy): Maybe I’m old-fashioned, but I think we should worship the sun and moon as powerful gods… and fear them.

(courtesy of en.wikiquote.org )

175 EmmaAnne  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:28:52am

re: #89 chadu

Yeah, I’d say (mine, subtly edited, past two weeks):

bumblebee bat
dune re-dub
agent provocateur
wild wild west lyrics
izzard weirdo transvestite
leg lamp christmas story
restaurants open sunday washington pa
royals lyrics
jesus scourged money changers
totoro
catbus
white quenya sindarin
what kind of dog should i get
shirley temple drink
robert louis stevenson
slow cooker tagine
keep calm dresden

How do you find out what your searches were? I am curious now.

176 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:28:53am

re: #171 HappyWarrior

Alright, we’ll keep the blacks but we don’t want the Irish!

You know Puck, the magazine from the turn of the century, was rather progressive. Oddly enough though some of their covers and cartoons could be considered very anti-Irish. Talking about 100 years ago.

177 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:29:23am

re: #163 HappyWarrior

Anyone can post unflattering photos. Oh and my brother has that Superlative Conspiracy tee but in green!

Looking at a photo of Ted Nugent, Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin and I don’t-know-who-that-other-guy-is but obviously another nutbag, these are 4 people who share 3 brain cells. No “thinking” is involved on their part, they lack the equipment.

178 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:29:56am

re: #177 Pie-onist Overlord

Looking at a photo of Ted Nugent, Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin and I don’t-know-who-that-other-guy-is but obviously another nutbag, these are 4 people who share 3 brain cells. No “thinking” is involved on their part, they lack the equipment.

sub-mongrel humans

179 chadu  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:30:09am

re: #116 Feline Fearless Leader

They’re being replaced by a performance of Aristophanes’ “The Frogs”.
//

Brekekekex-koax-koax.

180 Lidane  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:30:23am

Mental health break, corgi edition:

181 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:30:25am

re: #172 Gus

Seriously though. “Asian” is such a goofy identifier.

Asian

Image: Bar-Refaeli-Juan-Aldabaldetrecu-Elle-Spain-01.jpg

182 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:31:12am

Anti-Irish sentiment in the USA during the turn of the century. Oddly enough in time they became “the ideal Americans” according to some bigots. Ironical.

183 Petero1818  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:31:14am

re: #42 Dr. Matt

Old Asshole Golfer Has “Thought” About Michael Sam. From DS

Old Asshole Golfer Has Thought About Michael Sam

Elkington has a long history of vile tweets. I count no fewer than 4. Racism against Packistanis, Joking about a helicopter crash that killed 8 people, racist and sexist comments to female asian golfer, and now a homophobic tweet. He has in the past used drinking as an excuse, and I am sure he will again. In the end, the alcohol is not the problem. Elkington is the Mayor Rob Ford of the PGA.

184 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:31:16am

re: #7 Pie-onist Overlord

My right to practice my religion does not spring from gov. Now, tell me why gov should have the right to encroach on my religious practice.

— Ben Shapiro

dear mr shapiro,

i will explain it to you simply. if your religion demands that you violate the laws of the united states, the laws of the united states take precedence and your religious preference must give way. as an example, take the polygamous practices of the mormon church.

i hope that is clear enough for you to understand

185 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:32:13am

re: #176 Gus

You know Puck, the magazine from the turn of the century, was rather progressive. Oddly enough though some of their covers and cartoons could be considered very anti-Irish. Talking about 100 years ago.

It’s unfortunately not surprising. Some of the abolitionists were also huge nativists. The Know Nothings were in one of their few silver linings an anti slavery party.

186 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:33:44am
187 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:34:38am

re: #155 Gus

$500K? That’s a slap on the wrist for a criminally negligent crash that killed people. Unreal.

188 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:34:40am

I thought Ben was leaving Breitbart.

189 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:34:46am

re: #177 Pie-onist Overlord

Looking at a photo of Ted Nugent, Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin and I don’t-know-who-that-other-guy-is but obviously another nutbag, these are 4 people who share 3 brain cells. No “thinking” is involved on their part, they lack the equipment.

I don’t think that’s Nugent.

190 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:35:01am

re: #182 Gus

Anti-Irish sentiment in the USA during the turn of the century. Oddly enough in time they became “the ideal Americans” according to some bigots. Ironical.

Yeah that’s something I observe. A group takes shit for a couple generations and then they’re accepted it. And then the cycle starts up again.

191 chadu  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:35:17am

re: #158 Pie-onist Overlord

Unintentional hilarity:

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192 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:35:21am

re: #187 Charles Johnson

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$500K? That’s a slap on the wrist for a criminally negligent crash that killed people. Unreal.

Yep. I was thinking $50 million for that fuck up. Inexcusable.

193 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:36:18am

Sigh.

194 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:36:26am

re: #189 makeitstop

I don’t think that’s Nugent.

Some random guy? Anyhow as I said, anyone can get unflattering photos. That’s what makes these photo memes on Twitter so juvenile and stupid.

195 bratwurst  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:38:06am

re: #40 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Basically, Killgore has said and done a lot of really stupid, egregious shit

How about when he accused me of “endorsing homemade explosives, rape and cop stabbing” for daring to downding his anti-OWS braying? Pretty much anyone else would have lost his account here for that.

196 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:38:09am

re: #193 Charles Johnson

Sigh.

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Derp. The Killian documents were BS. Just the facts.

197 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:38:57am

re: #194 HappyWarrior

Some random guy? Anyhow as I said, anyone can get unflattering photos. That’s what makes these photo memes on Twitter so juvenile and stupid.

Random ex-military. He’s saluting, and Nuge passed on earning that right.

198 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:39:02am

Oy. Not this again.

199 chadu  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:39:29am

re: #175 EmmaAnne

How do you find out what your searches were? I am curious now.

history.google.com

200 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:39:38am

re: #198 Gus

Oy. Not this again.

Or still.

201 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:40:10am

re: #197 makeitstop

Random ex-military. He’s saluting, and Nuge passed on earning that right.

Yeah well Ted could have gone if he wanted to. No one was stopping him.

202 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:41:14am

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Leave Lenin alone!
Moscow demands new Ukraine authorities to stop monument removal mayhem

Really. What do they think those monuments are, gay or something?

203 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:42:32am

re: #199 chadu

That link won’t work unless you’re already signed in… here’s another link:

google.com

204 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:42:43am

re: #202 Eventual Carrion

Really. What do they think those monuments are, gay or something?

Just proof of the Ukraine’s intent to invade and conquer Russia. They had better get proactive.

/

205 EmmaAnne  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:42:44am

re: #199 chadu

history.google.com

Thanks. It looks like I have to turn web history on to see future search history.

206 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:43:48am
207 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:43:55am

re: #187 Charles Johnson

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$500K? That’s a slap on the wrist for a criminally negligent crash that killed people. Unreal.

If I’m reading right, it’s not evem about the crash or it’s cause. it’s about mishandling communication with the families afterword. $500,000 fine less $100,000 for sponsoring seminars etc that promote good practices.

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Asiana Airlines has been penalized $500,000 for failing to assist family members of passengers on a flight that crashed last year at San Francisco airport, federal transportation officials said Tuesday.

The fine announced by the U.S. Department of Transportation was a first: No airline has broken U.S. laws that require prompt and generous assistance to the loved ones of crash victims.

An investigation by the Department of Transportation concluded that some family members had not been contracted two days after the crash, and it took five days to reach the families of all 291 passengers.

According to a consent order it signed with the department, Asiana will pay $400,000 in a fine and gets a $100,000 credit for “costs in sponsoring multiple industry-wide conferences and training sessions in 2013, 2014 and 2015, to provide lessons learned.”

208 chadu  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:44:24am

re: #177 Pie-onist Overlord

Looking at a photo of Ted Nugent, Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin and I don’t-know-who-that-other-guy-is but obviously another nutbag, these are 4 people who share 3 brain cells. No “thinking” is involved on their part, they lack the equipment.

“Thinking”?

209 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:45:21am

I gotta repost this. R U ready for ‘America’s Most Patriotic Band?’ Well, give it up for Madison Rising!!!!

“America’s Most Patriotic Band” Plays America’s Worst Anthem Rendition

Roseanne laughs at those hacks.

210 Lidane  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:45:26am
211 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:45:32am

re: #164 GunstarGreen

My last boss was gay. He was also the buffest, most athletic man I have ever seen in my entire life, by a long shot. Actually inspired me to finally stop being a fatty and get fit myself.

Exactly. And a little story about uncomfortable stereotyping. I have a friend who way back when he first was out of high school in the late 70s walked into a bar north of the Ohio State campus. He thought he had found a honey hole as there was nothing but lovely young ladies all over.

So he plopped down on a bar stool and ordered up a beer. I can’t remember the price they were wanting to charge him, but lets say it was a hint. He was offended and said something like “what the hell, I’ll never come to this bar again” and the female bartender said something like…”exactly…we don’t want you here.”

He came back to his house where several of us hung out. He told us about it, one guy asked him what bar and as soon as he told us we all broke out laughing. He picked a very well-known lesbian club that almost everyone that knew anything about anything knew the reputation of said bar.

I don’t think he ever lived that one down.

212 chadu  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:48:13am

re: #186 HappyWarrior

Also
Image: JESUS-620_1587358a.jpg

I hear that Yeshua dude was a Juice, too.

213 Petero1818  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:48:18am

re: #184 dog philosopher

dear mr shapiro,

i will explain it to you simply. if your religion demands that you violate the laws of the united states, the laws of the united states take precedence and your religious preference must give way. as an example, take the polygamous practices of the mormon church.

i hope that is clear enough for you to understand

This is precisely correct. To take it further If you are a religious institution whose “business” is the provision of religious services, it seems to me that one can argue one need not violate one’s own beliefs in providing that service. So a church or its priest could in my mind rightfully refuse to officiate a same sex service. I don’t agree with it, but I see it as defensible.

If on the other hand your business is a registered business, and not a religious charity, and if that business is the provision of and goods or service that is not fundamental to one’s religion, one cannot discriminate and violate the human rights of another in the name of religious freedom.

The cross roads for this debate relates to hospitals or academic institutions that are affiliated or run by religious institutions. This is a very tricky area that the courts are working out right now around birth control under Obamacare plans.

in my opinion, the provision of medical services is otherwise governed by civil laws, and therefore if one wishes to be an accredited hospital or something other than a “faith healer” one must provide those services in accordance with the laws of the land. A hospital that refuses to respect the human rights and civil laws of this society should immediately lose its license to operate as a hospital and all the rights and privileges that it brings. A separate category of “faith healing institutions” should be created for them, and practitioners within those institutions should be deemed “faith healers” and not “doctors”.

With respect to academic instiutions affiliated with or run by religious insitutions, I think they need to choose. Either you are a “religious college” or a secular college with religious affiliations. If you are a “religious college” by all means do what you want, and lose your academic accreditation. Other schools will need to adhere to the laws of the land.

214 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:48:53am

I want all the benefits of the information society

on the downside, privacy has all but disappeared. on the upside, it’s much much easier to spend money and find any kind of pr0n you desire

215 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:49:25am

re: #177 Pie-onist Overlord

Looking at a photo of Ted Nugent, Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin and I don’t-know-who-that-other-guy-is but obviously another nutbag, these are 4 people who share 3 brain cells. No “thinking” is involved on their part, they lack the equipment.

That is not Ted Nugent. Not tall enough and grubby enough. I believe that other featured political is one Steve Stockman.

I’m pretty good at faces!

: )

216 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:51:35am

LOL PWN3D

217 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:52:54am

Colorado tax news

I bet they can afford to fix the “pot holes” in the streets…

218 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:56:30am

re: #214 dog philosopher

I want all the benefits of the information society

on the downside, privacy has all but disappeared. on the upside, it’s much much easier to spend money and find any kind of pr0n you desire

The free part is where we screwed ourselves. All this commercial lack of privacy revolves around revenue streams. I posted this before, but even if someone clever set up a pay for usage / pay so you keep your privacy internet service how many would pony up the dollars?

219 Lidane  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:57:12am


I suspect this is a trial balloon from Brewer’s office to gague reaction to a veto.

220 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:58:05am

re: #209 makeitstop

I gotta repost this. R U ready for ‘America’s Most Patriotic Band?’ Well, give it up for Madison Rising!!!!

“America’s Most Patriotic Band” Plays America’s Worst Anthem Rendition

Roseanne laughs at those hacks.

That was all over many auto racing forums this past weekend. Didn’t seem to go over as they hoped. Myself, it wasn’t a bad delivery and arrangement, but they failed to realize that most people (especially a rather conservative NASCAR good-ol’ boy crowd) likes it straight up with little embellishment. So overall…fail!

221 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:58:36am

re: #164 GunstarGreen

My last boss was gay. He was also the buffest, most athletic man I have ever seen in my entire life, by a long shot. Actually inspired me to finally stop being a fatty and get fit myself.

if you are into the history of nyc, there is a famous quote dating from i think the 1880s or 1890s where a well known bar owner is quoted as praising the physical strength and fighting ability of the denizens of the gay bar across the street which they displayed when attacked

222 klys  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:00:21pm

re: #218 Political Atheist

The free part is where we screwed ourselves. All this commercial lack of privacy revolves around revenue streams. I posted this before, but even if someone clever set up a pay for usage / pay so you keep your privacy internet service how many would pony up the dollars?

Substantially fewer than you might think. A lot of people will reason that it’s not necessary, that the information can’t be that damaging.

223 chadu  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:00:24pm

re: #214 dog philosopher

I want all the benefits of the information society

on the downside, privacy has all but disappeared. on the upside, it’s much much easier to spend money and find any kind of pr0n you desire

Or old vidjos…

Youtube Video

224 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:01:29pm

re: #219 Lidane

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I suspect this is a trial balloon from Brewer’s office to gague reaction to a veto.

An excellent analysis of the difference between the reaction to SB 1070 and SB1062:


[…]

In other words, while the bigotry behind SB1070 was ignorant, the bigotry behind SB1062 is irrational. It can be argued that this is a distinction without a difference, and that it is not simply coincidental that movement conservatives embrace both, but it does begin to explain why the reaction to the two bills has been different.

[…]

225 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:02:23pm

re: #218 Political Atheist

The free part is where we screwed ourselves. All this commercial lack of privacy revolves around revenue streams. I posted this before, but even if someone clever set up a pay for usage / pay so you keep your privacy internet service how many would pony up the dollars?

good question

but on the other hand the nature of the internet as a virtually unregulated network of independent servers means that if you wanted all your interactions to remain absolutely private, you would have to stay strictly on the reservation

226 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:03:16pm

At last, somebody came through the shop smelling of roses and not Patchouli. I shall mark the calendar.

227 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:03:30pm

re: #216 Pie-onist Overlord

LOL PWN3D

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Sometimes photos are just unfortunate.

228 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:05:30pm

Kos scold his readers for being nutty
Meta: Your paranoia is crazy

229 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:12:01pm

re: #220 ObserverArt

That was all over many auto racing forums this past weekend. Didn’t seem to go over as they hoped. Myself, it wasn’t a bad delivery and arrangement, but they failed to realize that most people (especially a rather conservative NASCAR good-ol’ boy crowd) likes it straight up with little embellishment. So overall…fail!

It’s funny that singers will catch shit for using a little vocal embellishment, while these guys actually went ahead and changed the melody.

Stravinsky got arrested for ‘tampering’ with the melody back in 1940. But given that this band is owned lock stock and drum kit by a RWNJ, they’ll get away with it.

I mentioned downstairs - a friend of mine answered a cattle call audition for that band. Not only did they demand that every member be conservative, they made everyone who auditioned sign a NDA - most likely to keep word from getting out about how bad they sucked.

BTW - Here’s Stravinsky’s ‘tampered’ version.

Youtube Video

230 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:16:19pm

re: #228 Killgore Trout

Kos scolds some of his readers for being nutty

Detrollerized that for you.

231 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:16:30pm

re: #229 makeitstop

So these guys are the Monkees or the Runaways of ‘conservative rock’? Except the Monkees and the Runaways were actually pretty good.

Youtube Video

OK, somewhat good….

232 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:17:34pm

re: #230 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Good to have you back. I hope the headaches are banished.

233 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:19:04pm

Somebody did a decent job of compiling 3 different camera angles of the shootings at the Ukrainian parliament.
Liveleak Video

It occurred that these various videos were shot at the same time. I attempted to cut them together as a live event captured on 3 systems.
NOTE: Bullets also coming from behind….

234 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:22:33pm

re: #219 Lidane

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I suspect this is a trial balloon from Brewer’s office to gague reaction to a veto.

I have a Page scheduled to hit a bit later but I read the NFL says no superb owl in Az in 2015 if that passes.

235 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:24:12pm

re: #229 makeitstop

BTW - Here’s Stravinsky’s ‘tampered’ version.

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He got arrested for that? It sounds beautiful to me and it was perfectly recognizable as “The Star-Spangled Banner”. WTF? Was it because he was Russian?

Sheesh.

236 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:24:14pm

re: #231 wrenchwench

So these guys are the Monkees or the Runaways of ‘conservative rock’? Except the Monkees and the Runaways were actually pretty good.

OK, somewhat good….

Yeah, pretty much. Meet their Svengali, Richard Mgrdechian.

I’d take The Monkees or Runaways on their worst days over these hacks on their best. They’re lame on every single level.

237 jaunte  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:24:42pm

238 Lidane  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:25:26pm

re: #234 Political Atheist

I have a Page scheduled to hit a bit later but I read the NFL says no superb owl in 2015 if that passes.

Good for them. I’ve also heard of companies like Apple objecting saying that a law like that would affect their job recruiting because they’d lose out on potential candidates who don’t want to live in Arizona if the law passes.

239 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:25:53pm

re: #235 CuriousLurker

He got arrested for that? It sounds beautiful to me and it was perfectly recognizable as “The Star-Spangled Banner”. WTF? Was it because he was Russian?

Sheesh.

I thought the same. Even the ‘tampered’ bits never really strayed from the melody as written.

Maybe it was because he was Russian.

240 Teukka  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:26:26pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

I’m sure it’s been tried before but I doubt premeditated self defense against lawful police activity is not a viable legal defense. Also the dude seems fairly certain that the specific conversation led to the warning about protesters shooting police. Why would he be so convinced? If it really was a non violent strategy discussion he would assume the warning came from somewhere else. He knows the warning came from that specific conversation for good reason.
I also strongly suspect that if that comment had been posted by a Tea Party organizer you would have no trouble interpreting it correctly. I’m not that flexible.

As one of the moderators on a Occupy* chat, we’ve had discussions on this topic several times through the years.
For the record, strict adherence to non-violence is still assumed and enforced, at least in the chat I mod, and I know that it was one of the core values of the people who got the ball rolling.
I’ve lost count on how many times I’ve asked chat participants to cease and desist when the discussion has veered into active self-defence, pointing out that one should assume the chat is monitored by law enforcement, and that the situation hadn’t deteriorated to the point where active self-defence measures would be a necessary topic to discuss.
The position of us mods was that once things got as bad as police or other snipers began taking shots at occupiers, like the case has been in Iran and Ukraine, then we would consider allowing a limited subset of the topic being discussed.
I’ve lost count of how many times we’ve had to kick people out of the chat, how many people we’ve had to ban outright when they clearly haven’t understood that Occupy* wasn’t limited to the United States, the importance of non-violence, and that hate speech is counter-productive.
And that the those rules apply across the majority of the Occupy* sites and internet fora. Man, if I had $1 for each butthurt soul that wandered into the chat after being kicked out elsewhere, then being even more butthurt after getting kicked and/or banned from us too.
Not to mention the very interesting common denominators of the individuals who showed unwillingness to abide by the rules, or the means they chose to express their butthurt, or what they tried to push on the chat.

241 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:28:55pm

Is this considered a Godwin? It is remarkably accurate, unlike most Godwins.

242 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:29:13pm

re: #232 wrenchwench

Good to have you back. I hope the headaches are banished.

Nope, but they’re an order of magnitude less extreme and much less frequent.

243 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:29:58pm

LOL. Someone in Ukraine had some fun with this.

244 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:30:43pm

The “Juden Verboten” sign in the middle is fake, the swastika is going clockwise, which makes it an Indian good-luck symbol. The nazi swastika goes counter clockwise.

245 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:31:07pm

re: #240 Teukka

Uh oh. KT’s gonna be looking for reds under his bed tonight for sure after having an “official” Occupy person try to actually tell him the truth.

Hint: Don’t bother with trying to constructively engage him. He won’t do anything but troll.

246 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:34:26pm

re: #241 Pie-onist Overlord

Is this considered a Godwin? It is remarkably accurate, unlike most Godwins.

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There has to be a way to use, accurately & historically, past experience with out it being a way to simply disrupt communications. A godwin is the latter - this example is not even though it uses a potential godwin. I’d say the use of another American example is the difference.

247 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:34:49pm

re: #240 Teukka

I think we’re probably bast the days of the police actually dropping bombs.

usatoday30.usatoday.com

248 Lidane  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:35:29pm

Oh hey. Another nutter wanting to chat with the Secret Service:

249 Kragar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:35:40pm

Well, finally made it into work.

Yay.

250 Kragar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:36:58pm

re: #248 Lidane

Oh hey. Another nutter wanting to chat with the Secret Service:

[Embedded content]

251 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:38:54pm

Russia has troops on the move…I hope they get their problems resolved in Ukraine before Putin decides to roll the tanks in.

252 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:41:18pm

re: #236 makeitstop

Yeah, pretty much. Meet their Svengali, Richard Mgrdechian.

I’d take The Monkees or Runaways on their worst days over these hacks on their best. They’re lame on every single level.

Heehee.

It didn’t take a rocket scientist to detect the dismal undertone of much popular music, but as it happens Mgrdechian is a rocket scientist. After majoring in electrical engineering at CalTech, he worked at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory …

CalTech, of course! He has engineered a rock ‘n’ roll band! CalTech is where I saw Blues Image perform at a dance. I might have seen Mr. Mgrdechian dancing leaning against the wall there! (He could really use a vowel resection.)

253 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:42:57pm

Wow. This is kinda huge.

254 Lidane  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:43:22pm

Speaking of nutters, the Texas Dems are pushing back against a LaRouche moron trying to run with a (D) after their name. This just landed in my email. Bolding isn’t mine. It’s how the original mail looked:

Kesha Rogers is one of the candidates on the ballot for U.S. Senator in the Democratic primary — but do not be fooled. Kesha Rogers is not a Democrat.

Ms. Rogers is part of the “LaRouche Movement,” which has a history of violent rhetoric. The focus of her campaign is impeaching President Obama. Rogers has even paraded around Texas with a poster of the President with a Hitler mustache.

Rogers believes that the U.S. economy is secretly controlled by London financial institutions and she has advocated for colonizing Mars. That’s not what real Democrats stand for.

The Texas Democratic Party does not support the candidacy of Kesha Rogers or anyone that aligns themselves with the LaRouche Movement. Our State Democratic Executive Committee even issued a resolution against her campaign. Do not vote for Kesha Rogers in the primary.

Rogers’ candidacy is a insult to our Party, our President, our state, our Democratic values, and to all the work you are doing to move our state forward.

Do not vote for Kesha Rogers.

All my best —

Gilberto Hinojosa
Chair, Texas Democratic Primary

255 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:43:31pm

Obama is calling Karzai’s bluff(s).

256 Kragar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:44:40pm

re: #255 Charles Johnson

Obama is calling Karzai’s bluff(s).

Should have done that years ago.

257 GeneJockey  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:44:58pm

re: #97 HappyWarrior

Yeah you’ll become second class citizens by having to deal with the fact that there are other people in this world who aren’t you. Religious right= biggest babies in the whole world. Waah, we’re not allowed to discriminate so we’re the real victims here!

Well, you see, FIRST Class Citizens get to treat everyone else like shit, so if you can’t treat everyone else like shit, you’re just like everyone else, i.e. a SECOND Class Citizen.

258 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:45:06pm

re: #215 ObserverArt

That is not Ted Nugent. Not tall enough and grubby enough. I believe that other featured political is one Steve Stockman.

I’m pretty good at faces!

: )

Yep, that’s Stockman.
Also, you can’t see him in this particular photo, but Rep. Mike Lee is standing behind the guy in the hat.
The picture is from the amusingly named “Million Veterans March” in October.

259 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:45:14pm

re: #248 Lidane

Oh hey. Another nutter wanting to chat with the Secret Service:

[Embedded content]

Isn’t that the same guy who posted the anti-Obama shit on Facebook? The name seems to ring a bell.

OTOH, there are so many nutjobs on Facebook nowadays, I could very well be mistaken.

260 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:45:42pm

re: #240 Teukka

Thanks for the informed insider’s response. Unfortunately I think a lot of people have lost sight of the nonviolent resistance methods and ethics. I have no doubt there was/is a lot of lip service for the concepts but too many people get caught up in the group victim mentality and things get quickly out of hand. Although Oakland had particularly bad problems it wasn’t just OWS or lefties, it’s a wider cultural problem.

The position of us mods was that once things got as bad as police or other snipers began taking shots at occupiers, like the case has been in Iran and Ukraine, then we would consider allowing a limited subset of the topic being discussed.

Even this is problematic. Although such plans may not be illegal it’s certainly something the authorities would be interested in. It’s very unlikely that police snipers would initiate a slaughter like we was in Ukraine and having the discussions can feed violent paranoid fantasies. In the interest of public safety, this is why police should infiltrate online communities where these discussions are taking place. Even if the discussions aren’t officially endorsed by the group leaders police need to keep an eye on people who might pose a danger to the public.

261 leftynyc  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:45:54pm

Looks like Yanukovych was trying to perhaps wait until he could have gotten Russia’s help after the Olympics ended:

huffingtonpost.com

FT describes the planned operation as thus:

The operation would have used as a pretext an alleged plot by Right Sector, a radical wing of the protests, to engage in terrorist acts, setting off bombs at government buildings. It detailed a strategy of a two-pronged attack that would push protesters in two directions. From there, they would be filtered, with “threatening” protesters detained

262 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:47:39pm

You want to know why the people of Ukraine did what they did? This makes me admire them for their restraint, actually. And you can bet this lot in Parliament, is going to be watched like hawks, too.

facebook.com

Via Natalia Vitiuk: I was shaken by this woman’s comment below one of the pieces on Yanukovych’s mansion:

N.Sh.: “For some reason, I was especially distressed by the window drapes worth 3 million 200K Euros. I recalled it when my newborn son was dying, as I needed 500 hryvnias a day (around 60$), and all of this lasted for forty days. My friends were helping me, some of it I was borrowing; as a result - I am deeply in debt, and my little son has died… and I will never forget it when I entered the pharmacy to buy an antibiotic, with one vial costing 500 plus hryvnias, and I only had 300 on me… I left the pharmacy and sobbed so hard that people were turning to look at me - meanwhile, I was shouting towards the heaven: ‘Why do you do this unto my baby? And what should I do now, where should I get the money?’ And here you have window drapes for 3 million 200K hryvnias… it is for these window drapes, and underground churches, and portrait of procurator pshonka [the “Caesar” photo of Pshonka] that our kids were being killed, I’m just in shock… and it hurts so much that all I can do these days is cry - for the fallen, for my baby, and even for those who are still defending this beast, still justifying his actions…”

263 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:47:50pm

re: #254 Lidane

Speaking of nutters, the Texas Dems are pushing back against a LaRouche moron trying to run with a (D) after their name. This just landed in my email. Bolding isn’t mine. It’s how the original mail looked:

Rogers believes that the U.S. economy is secretly controlled by London financial institutions and she has advocated for colonizing Mars. That’s not what real Democrats stand for.

Read more at littlegreenfootballs.com

WHAT? Democrats are against colonizing Mars?

264 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:48:14pm

re: #251 NJDhockeyfan

Russia has troops on the move…I hope they get their problems resolved in Ukraine before Putin decides to roll the tanks in.

[Embedded content]

It’s something to keep an eye on but for now it looks like it might just be normal movement of men and equipment.

265 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:51:13pm

re: #248 Lidane

Oh hey. Another nutter wanting to chat with the Secret Service:

[Embedded content]

Everest is still around?
Good grief…

266 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:53:21pm

re: #263 Shiplord Kirel

Read more at littlegreenfootballs.com

WHAT? Democrats are against colonizing Mars?

Just wait until the Rothschilds hear about this. There’ll be hell to pay at the next Bohemian Grove meeting!

267 Lidane  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:54:01pm

Cue the outrage from DC Comics fans:

268 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:54:43pm

re: #255 Charles Johnson

Obama is calling Karzai’s bluff(s).

At this point, Karzai may not be bluffing.

If that’s the case, I hate to say it, but I hope President Obama follows through with full withdrawal and tells Karzai, “Good luck with the Taliban!”

Meanwhile, multitudes of American soldiers will have been maimed or killed for nothing.

269 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:56:44pm

re: #267 Lidane

It’s a joke, but there’s more than an element of truth in it. The Pentagon is going in big on robotics.

270 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:57:40pm

re: #253 Charles Johnson

Withdrawal by the end of the year if a deal isn’t reached? Yeah, that’s huge, but there’s a few things missing from the story that would add needed context.

We know that there’s supposed to be elections in April, and the new government may want to sign the agreement. But if Obama’s pushing to withdraw by the end of the year, the military needs time to get that option done- it takes time to withdraw those forces (about 33k remaining in country). We don’t know the drop dead date - and that’s probably on purpose. Keep Karzai guessing and force his hand, because if you let him know the date, he’ll waiver until the last moment instead of signing early.

Having the election also complicates matters, since it would suggest that Obama is giving the Afghan government until some time in late April or early May to decide.

It also complicates getting US forces and equipment out of Afghanistan. If you cut the time it takes to get the forces out, it increases the costs - flying out troops/equipment versus driving them out via Pakistan.

And to be sure, the Taliban are watching all this and waiting for their opportunities too.

271 Lidane  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:58:33pm

re: #269 Charles Johnson

It’s a joke, but there’s more than an element of truth in it. The Pentagon is going in big on robotics.

Not surprising. We’ve been heading that way for a while now.

I expect Sirota and the rest of the dudebros to keep derping about DRONEZ the entire time.

272 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:59:14pm

re: #269 Charles Johnson

Big on robotics and big on alternative power sources (fuel cells, solar, and pretty much anything that will reduce fuel needs) since that adds to the logistical challenges to supply forces overseas and in remote areas.

273 Kragar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:00:53pm

re: #269 Charles Johnson

It’s a joke, but there’s more than an element of truth in it. The Pentagon is going in big on robotics.

One of the biggees is the load bearing exoskeletons. Not “Iron Man” by a long shot, but allows a soldier to carry a combat load with less fatigue.

They had another one for artillerymen to aid them carrying munitions.

274 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:02:20pm
275 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:05:11pm

re: #274 wrenchwench

Oldest piece of the planet? Does that mean they’ve dated it to 6,001 years ago?

276 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:06:19pm

re: #265 Backwoods_Sleuth

Everest is still around?
Good grief…

Yeah—thought he looked familiar in the Boer hat.

277 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:06:19pm

re: #268 TedStriker

Meanwhile, multitudes of American soldiers will have been maimed or killed for nothing.

That became the case the day GWB ordered the needless invasion of Iraq rather than finishing the real job in Afghanistan.

278 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:07:11pm

re: #273 Kragar

One of the biggees is the load bearing exoskeletons. Not “Iron Man” by a long shot, but allows a soldier to carry a combat load with less fatigue.

They had another one for artillerymen to aid them carrying munitions.

More like than the Caterpillar forklift suit from Aliens than Iron Man.

279 b.d.  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:07:29pm

re: #274 wrenchwench

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THAT DOESN’T LOOK THAT OLD!!

//

280 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:07:32pm

re: #106 GunstarGreen

I will never understand the Log Cabin Republicans. When a political party explicitly informs me, in no uncertain terms, that it wants nothing to do with me and would prefer that I have fewer rights than anyone else? >I do not support that party.

I mean… what, is it some twisted sort of stockholm syndrome? Or is LCR really composed of people who have decided, very literally, that money is more important than people?

I think option #2 is the only viable one here. Maniacal greed is a sufficient explanation, and there don’t seem to be any alternative explanations that make sense.

281 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:08:17pm

re: #274 wrenchwench

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{Sigh} It’s 6,000 years old, dummy. ///

282 b.d.  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:09:00pm

re: #275 EPR-radar

Oldest piece of the planet? Does that mean they’ve dated it to 6,001 years ago?

IF IT REALLY WERE THAT OLD SOMEONE WOULD HAVE FOUND IT A LONG TIME AGO!

283 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:10:11pm

re: #280 EPR-radar

I think option #2 is the only viable one here. Maniacal greed is a sufficient explanation, and there don’t seem to be any alternative explanations that make sense.

if you want to fit in with the corporate crowd, it’s advisable to declare yourself a republican, gay persons no less than straight

284 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:11:18pm

re: #264 Killgore Trout

It’s something to keep an eye on but for now it looks like it might just be normal movement of men and equipment.

Let’s hope so. They’ve already got ships and subs in port and tanks in town in Sevastopol. What do they expect Ukraine to do? I doubt they will attack the Russians.


285 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:12:02pm

Yikes.

286 Lidane  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:12:24pm

Heh.

287 Kragar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:12:25pm

re: #278 TedStriker

More like than the Caterpillar forklift suit from Aliens than Iron Man.

Not even close.

288 Kragar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:14:03pm

289 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:18:13pm

I haz found a lizard twitter account!

290 Kragar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:19:01pm

Think less “Iron Man” and more like allowing a man carrying 150 lbs of gear to move like he was carrying 20lbs of gear.

291 Kragar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:20:06pm

Or allowing 1 man to carry a shell which is a 3 man job now.

292 GeneJockey  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:21:29pm

re: #290 Kragar

Think less “Iron Man” and more like allowing a man carrying 150 lbs of gear to move like he was carrying 20lbs of gear.

The one thing that concerns me, and no doubt they’re dealing with this aspect, is that it’s still 150 lbs of gear with 150 lbs of inertia.

But more importantly, will they make the cool ‘whizzzzz-clunk. whizzzzzz-clunk’ noises?

293 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:22:24pm

A nice story.

294 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:23:27pm

re: #290 Kragar

Think less “Iron Man” and more like allowing a man carrying 150 lbs of gear to move like he was carrying 20lbs of gear.

And needing sufficient training in the equipment to understand that he still has the inertia and center of gravity of the full 150lbs of gear.

295 Kragar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:23:27pm

re: #292 GeneJockey

The one thing that concerns me, and no doubt they’re dealing with this aspect, is that it’s still 150 lbs of gear with 150 lbs of inertia.

But more importantly, will they make the cool ‘whizzzzz-clunk. whizzzzzz-clunk’ noises?

The early models couldn’t be run indoors because of the fumes from the engine and required hearing protection to operate.

I’m guessing they got around that at least.

296 GeneJockey  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:25:59pm

re: #294 Feline Fearless Leader

And needing sufficient training in the equipment to understand that he still has the inertia and center of gravity of the full 150lbs of gear.

In one of Joe Haldeman’s books with ‘Fighting Suits’, there was a lot of training given to keep you from breaking your back with a servo-amplified attempt to scratch an itch.

297 GeneJockey  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:26:56pm

re: #295 Kragar

The early models couldn’t be run indoors because of the fumes from the engine and required hearing protection to operate.

I’m guessing they got around that at least.

I just imagined a bunch of guys trying to start their gas powered backpacks by pulling cords like old lawnmowers.

298 Kragar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:29:25pm

re: #297 GeneJockey

I just imagined a bunch of guys trying to start their gas powered backpacks by pulling cords like old lawnmowers.

I think some of the early plans suggested only 1-2 suits per squad to help carry gear, so the other troops could simply carry less in the first place.

299 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:31:10pm

re: #275 EPR-radar

Oldest piece of the planet? Does that mean they’ve dated it to 6,001 years ago?

Saturday, October 22, 4004 BC. About tea-time.

300 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:33:58pm

re: #298 Kragar

I think some of the early plans suggested only 1-2 suits per squad to help carry gear, so the other troops could simply carry less in the first place.

Heh. Like that will work.

301 GeneJockey  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:34:58pm

re: #274 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]

How do they know? Were they THERE when it happened!

302 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:36:57pm


Libertarians, like two year olds, are good at ‘no’.

303 Teukka  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:37:54pm

re: #247 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I think we’re probably bast the days of the police actually dropping bombs.

usatoday30.usatoday.com

Yeah, the only way I can see anything like that happening is if a really RWNJ gets command of a large enough unit, or if the police are given a patently inconsistent with the reality on the ground, Not impossible, tho very, very unlikely.

re: #260 Killgore Trout

Thanks for the informed insider’s response. Unfortunately I think a lot of people have lost sight of the nonviolent resistance methods and ethics. I have no doubt there was/is a lot of lip service for the concepts but too many people get caught up in the group victim mentality and things get quickly out of hand. Although Oakland had particularly bad problems it wasn’t just OWS or lefties, it’s a wider cultural problem.

Actually, for the chat I help modding, we do more than merely pay lip service to the concepts, we also explain why the concepts are there, and most people seem to understand once told why we enforce certain rules very hard.

Even this is problematic. Although such plans may not be illegal it’s certainly something the authorities would be interested in. It’s very unlikely that police snipers would initiate a slaughter like we was in Ukraine and having the discussions can feed violent paranoid fantasies. In the interest of public safety, this is why police should infiltrate online communities where these discussions are taking place. Even if the discussions aren’t officially endorsed by the group leaders police need to keep an eye on people who might pose a danger to the public.

You misunderstood me. We never had the discussion. We simply came to the consensus that if —God forbid— things deteriorated to that level, we’d meet again to consider things. We saw no reason to implement active self-defence measures or even discussing such, even tho there were rotten cops that made life hell for the people on the ground.
And even if there are snipers taking shots at you, there are non-violent means to respond to such a situation and turn it to your advantage, it just takes brains to resist the urge to go with the eye for an eye reflex.

304 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:38:33pm

re: #301 GeneJockey

How do they know? Were they THERE when it happened!

I suppose it’s rude to point out that if we assume an omnipotent deity is enough of a prankster to make a young universe “look old”, then eyewitness testimony and records (including all religious traditions) could also be fabricated evidence.

305 BeenHereAwhile  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:39:24pm

re: #42 Dr. Matt

Old Asshole Golfer Has “Thought” About Michael Sam. From DS

Old Asshole Golfer Has Thought About Michael Sam

Michael Sam: “If someone wants to call me a name,” he said, “I will have a conversation with that guy, and hopefully it won’t lead to nothing else.”

306 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:40:51pm

re: #29 makeitstop

Wait, wait. 26,000 Google searches in a month?

That’s nearly 840 searches per day. Even for an investigative reporter, that seems like an awful lot.

It’s not entirely clear if a “search” also counts things like contextual advertisements. Depending on the site, you could easily get a dozen Google-powered contextual adverts from a single page view, or more if it was an article spread out over several pages (a detestible practice, IMHO).

307 Lidane  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:42:56pm
308 GeneJockey  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:45:18pm

re: #304 EPR-radar

I suppose it’s rude to point out that if we assume an omnipotent deity is enough of a prankster to make a young universe “look old”, then eyewitness testimony and records (including all religious traditions) could also be fabricated evidence.

But God SAYS it’s the truth, right there in the Bible!

So, his omnipotence does not extend to the ability to lie?

Blasphemer!!! How dare you suggest God could lie to us!

But didn’t God lie to Adam, as one of the very first things he said, that Adam would surely die the very day he ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?

You’re taking that out of context!!!

309 b.d.  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:45:34pm

re: #302 wrenchwench

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Libertarians, like two year olds, are good at ‘no’.

Gary has as many vetoes as he does votes cast for him.

310 GeneJockey  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:46:33pm

re: #302 wrenchwench

Arizona governor heads home amid furor ….

You know who ELSE headed home with the furor? Eva Braun!
////

311 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:53:52pm

re: #284 NJDhockeyfan

Let’s hope so. They’ve already got ships and subs in port and tanks in town in Sevastopol. What do they expect Ukraine to do? I doubt they will attack the Russians.

[Embedded content]

That’s a BTR wheeled APC, not a tank.

312 BeenHereAwhile  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:58:56pm

re: #71 Pie-onist Overlord

Just had a horrible thought.

Is Jeb Bush planning on grabbing the 2016 nomination while all the teabaggers kill each other off?

Just my personal observation - I suspect that members of his family will cause JEB to not enter the 2016 primary, but wait for the next Bush generation.

Today’s media has made living in the White House more of a fishbowl than it used to be.

313 sagehen  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:59:42pm

re: #299 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Saturday, October 22, 4004 BC. About tea-time.

actually… it was about 5:30 am EST. On a Wednesday. I know this because the JCC had some special observance on the somethingth anniversary (a round number) a couple years back…

314 BeenHereAwhile  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:37:30pm

re: #234 Political Atheist

I have a Page scheduled to hit a bit later but I read the NFL says no superb owl in Az in 2015 if that passes.

Curious as to the source.

I don’t think the NFL has enough time to move the Feb 1, 2014 Super Bowl with *all* its associated events, infrastructure, and housing to another state.

If it was scaled down, perhaps New Orleans or Miami, but it would still be a different Super Bowl week.

315 chadu  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:36:54pm

re: #267 Lidane

Now I want to see an Obama-styled Iron Man suit (heck, lotsa President-styled suits!), along with a more President-neutral POTUS version.


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Pie-onist Overlord
Police Investigating Whether Rabbi’s Miami Killing a Hate Crime
More: Police Investigating Whether Rabbi's Miami Killing a Hate Crime (Reuters) - Police in Miami investigating the killing of a 60-year-old Orthodox rabbi over the weekend said on Monday they haven't yet decided whether the shooting was a hate crime. ...

1 week, 2 days ago
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Romantic Heretic
The War Photo No One Would Publish
An interesting story on a photograph taken during Desert Storm that no news outlet in the US would publish. It is one of those photos that stares straight at the horror of war. It's hideous, stomach turning...and something that should ...

1 week, 4 days ago
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Bubblehead II
Live web Cams on Oahu, Hawaii
Couple of live web cams for Oahu. H/T to explore.org Turtle Bay - East and Ehukai Beach, Oahu Sunrise isn't for a couple more hours so there isn't much to see. But should get interesting after daybreak.

1 week, 6 days ago
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 Frank says:

If something goes wrong and you tend to smile it away, then you have someone to blame.