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If You Read Down to Paragraph 18, You Discover That Glenn Greenwald’s Latest Article Has No Evidence

Extraordinary claims without extraordinary evidence, or any evidence at all, really
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Glenn Greenwald’s latest headline screams: How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations.

But again we find the article itself does not support the almost comically paranoid headline, and again the source for the claim is a series of PowerPoint slides with very little detail and no context.

The documents appear to be British studies and training documents about online manipulation and social engineering techniques (also known as “trolling”), to be used internally by GCHQ. There is not a single shred of evidence in these documents to show that any GCHQ agent is “infiltrating” anything; no programs, no cases, no reports, nothing.

And Greenwald acknowledges this — but as usual, you have to read down to paragraph 18 after tons of overheated commentary to find it:

We submitted numerous questions to GCHQ, including: (1) Does GCHQ in fact engage in “false flag operations” where material is posted to the Internet and falsely attributed to someone else?; (2) Does GCHQ engage in efforts to influence or manipulate political discourse online?; and (3) Does GCHQ’s mandate include targeting common criminals (such as boiler room operators), or only foreign threats?

As usual, they ignored those questions and opted instead to send their vague and nonresponsive boilerplate: “It is a longstanding policy that we do not comment on intelligence matters. Furthermore, all of GCHQ’s work is carried out in accordance with a strict legal and policy framework which ensures that our activities are authorised, necessary and proportionate, and that there is rigorous oversight, including from the Secretary of State, the Interception and Intelligence Services Commissioners and the Parliamentary Intelligence and Security Committee. All our operational processes rigorously support this position.”

Yes, that’s correct — Greenwald does not know whether any of the techniques explained in these documents were ever used by GCHQ in the real world. There’s certainly no evidence of it in the PowerPoint slides he published here; so how can he justify the statement made by his headline?

But he actually goes even further in the conclusion to the article:

Claims that government agencies are infiltrating online communities and engaging in “false flag operations” to discredit targets are often dismissed as conspiracy theories, but these documents leave no doubt they are doing precisely that.

In reality, the documents show no proof — or even any evidence — that “government agencies” are infiltrating anything, but Greenwald has done his best to obscure this crucial point with his usual reams of exaggerated verbiage.

But I do have to admit it’s more than a little ironic that someone who was himself caught red-handed using sock puppets (false identities) to manipulate online communities is pointing fingers at “government agencies.”

Misleading, hyperbolic headlines totally unsupported by evidence — is this the future of journalism?

UPDATE at 2/25/14 1:54:06 pm

Bob Cesca points out another problem with generalizing and leaping to conclusions from PowerPoint slides:

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270 comments

1 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:47:35pm

Do Not Mention Comment Paragraph 17 18.

2 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:50:01pm

Misleading, hyperbolic headlines totally unsupported by evidence — is this the future of journalism?

Future, present, and past.

“Does our flag shield women?”, “Indignities Practiced by Spanish Officials On Board American Vessels” and “Refined Young Women Stripped and Searched by Brutal Spaniards While Under Our Flag on the Ollivette.”

en.wikipedia.org

3 b.d.  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:50:15pm

Pierre must be so proud.

4 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:51:05pm

I also notice that Greenwald goes out of his way to generalize and give the impression that this shows ALL government intelligence agencies are doing this. When all he really has are some PowerPoint slides from GCHQ.

And I’ve seen a lot of his followers immediately jump to the conclusion that the NSA is in their chat rooms, pretending to be people who disagree with them.

Libertarianism poisons everything.

5 GeneJockey  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:51:07pm

Well, you see, what he means by “…these documents leave no doubt they are doing precisely that” means that they leave no doubt IN HIS MIND, which is unsurprising considering there wasn’t any there to begin with.

It’s like “But that’s exactly what they’d say if they were doing this!!!”. Of course, it’s also exactly what they’d say if they weren’t.

6 GeneJockey  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:53:07pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

I also notice that Greenwald goes out of his way to generalize and give the impression that this shows ALL government intelligence agencies are doing this. When all he really has are some PowerPoint slides from GCHQ.

And I’ve seen a lot of his followers immediately jump to the conclusion that the NSA is in their chat rooms, pretending to be people who disagree with them.

Libertarianism poisons everything.

The crazy thing about conspiracy theorists is that they think THEY are the skeptical ones.

7 Kragar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:53:49pm

I’m so shocked that I made my shocked face.

8 b.d.  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:53:59pm

Not one website or blog mentioned.

Not one actual comment posted.

Not one success story touted.

9 Weet  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:55:39pm

Glad you are posting about this. I’ve made several comments elsewhere.

Take just the slides and analyze them. Anyone with critical thinking skills will conclude that we don’t know the context of these slides.

My guess is that they are describing the piece-parts of actions used in the world for ‘propagandizing’.

GG again assigns intent, cause, and effect purely out of his imagination, and states them as fact.

10 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 1:56:22pm

re: #8 b.d.

Not one website or blog mentioned.

Not one actual comment posted.

Not one success story touted.

I read that and hear the Beatles singing “Nowhere Man” in the background.

11 gwangung  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:05:22pm

Does anybody think the US is the only one using these techniques?

12 sagehen  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:05:43pm

So for all we can tell, this powerpoint might have been a “what the russkies are doing and how to recognize and counter it” presentation?

13 Kragar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:06:49pm

re: #11 gwangung

Does anybody think the US is the only one using these techniques?

Surely only the United States of America is capable of such evil and heinous behavior?
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14 gwangung  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:06:56pm

re: #12 sagehen

So for all we can tell, this powerpoint might have been a “what the russkies are doing and how to recognize and counter it” presentation?

Or the PRC?

15 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:07:10pm

re: #11 gwangung

Does anybody think the US is the only one using these techniques?

If an intelligence agency wasn’t studying and training in the use of these techniques they would be seriously remiss in their duties.

16 piratedan  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:07:37pm

re: #9 Weet

Glad you are posting about this. I’ve made several comments elsewhere.

Take just the slides and analyze them. Anyone with critical thinking skills will conclude that we don’t know the context of these slides.

My guess is that they are describing the piece-parts of actions used in the world for ‘propagandizing’.

GG again assigns intent, cause, and effect purely out of his imagination, and states them as fact.

That is my basic issue with all of the “revelations” thus far, nothing but conjecture, not proof. I’m willing to believe that yes, there is the potential for abuse, and perhaps even that abuses are taking place or have taken place (under the Bushies, anything was possible, after all, those guys brought back torture). Unless, you can point to a specific instance, show how somebody’s actual rights and privacy were violated, then you’re simply pissing into the wind about the nature of the surveillance state culture that we live in. The part that I find so remarkable is that the Government has to work with the private sector in order to obtain the majority of this data and nobody at all seems to be concerned that the private sector has it on file to give or their right to retain it and mine it and use it/sell it as they see fit for the privilege of using their services.

17 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:07:41pm

I checked to see if the comment from a “protest movement who shall not be named “is still up. It is and there’s a response noting another anecdotal example

there are many more examples such as this. This morning on Democracy now for example:
democracynow.org
from democracy now:
“More details have come to light showing how the U.S. military infiltrated and spied on a community of antiwar activists in the state of Washington. Democracy Now! first broke this story in 2009 when it was revealed that an active member of Students for a Democratic Society and Port Militarization Resistance was actually an informant for the U.S. military. The man everyone knew as “John Jacob” was in fact John Towery, a member of the Force Protection Service at Fort Lewis. He also spied on the Industrial Workers of the World and Iraq Veterans Against the War. A newly made public email written by Towery reveals the Army informant was building a multi-agency spying apparatus. The email was sent from Towery using his military account to the FBI, as well as the police departments in Los Angeles, Portland, Eugene, Everett and Spokane. He wrote, “I thought it would be a good idea to develop a leftist/anarchist mini-group for intel sharing and distro.” Meanwhile, evidence has also emerged that the Army informant attempted to entrap at least one peace activist, Glenn Crespo, by attempting to persuade him to purchase guns and learn to shoot. We speak to Crespo and his attorney Larry Hildes, who represents all the activists in the case.”

So, yes. The government does infiltrate radical groups looking for plans for violence and terrorism. I’m not shocked.

18 Kragar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:08:30pm

re: #12 sagehen

So for all we can tell, this powerpoint might have been a “what the russkies are doing and how to recognize and counter it” presentation?

I’ve been told by Dudebros that doesn’t happen. No vulnerability assessment teams ever try to plan what enemy agents might due to compromise them. Things like that simply aren’t done in free countries.
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19 b.d.  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:10:11pm

THE MEN WHO BLOG WITH GOATS

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20 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:20:07pm

re: #17 Killgore Trout

Irony of bringing issue forward to new thread after complaining about someone else doing it on the last thread: noted.

21 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:22:01pm

HERE IT IS.

The latest Godzilla trailer; it can be found here. It’s autoplay.

telegraph.co.uk

22 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:23:53pm

re: #20 wrenchwench

Irony of bringing issue forward to new thread after complaining about someone else doing it on the last thread: noted.

Ironic, yet oddly predictable.

23 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:25:08pm

Here’s the Godzilla trailer…

Youtube Video

24 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:26:10pm

My little girl dog just had another seizure.

Damn it! So horrible.

25 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:26:30pm

re: #21 Dr Lizardo

HERE IT IS.

The latest Godzilla trailer; it can be found here. It’s autoplay.

telegraph.co.uk

does it show the strings attached to the monsters?

26 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:27:08pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

Here’s the Godzilla trailer…

[Embedded content]

No Matthew Broderick? It can’t be good.

27 RadicalModerate  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:29:18pm

Yes, the Alex Jones and Ron Paul fans really are this stupid.

‘Obama Assassination’ Cartoon Prompts Secret Service Visit (cached link)

The creators of the Youtube animated series Conrad the Constitution say they’ve been paid a visit by the Secret Service concerning their latest work, entitled Obama Assassination.
In an email sent to Infowars, Fox Bros. Studios claimed they, as well as members of their families, had been contacted by the Secret Service.
[…]
In their latest episode, the show’s protagonist Conrad unknowingly falls asleep and wakes up in a dystopic future where the Bill of Rights is in tatters and the Second Amendment little more than a faded memory.

In his dream, Conrad is enlisted by his future self, a physically mangled version of the Constitution, to go back in time using former Congressman Ron Paul’s time machine and assassinate President Obama.

They are actually surprised that the US Secret Service has a problem with this.

28 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:29:32pm

re: #24 FemNaziBitch

(hugs) I know how awful that is.

29 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:30:38pm

re: #22 makeitstop

Ironic, yet oddly predictable.

With just a touch of hypocrisy.

30 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:30:38pm

re: #25 FemNaziBitch

re: #26 Dr. Matt

It looks like it might be good. They’ve added what I thought was a nice touch, in that

the nuclear tests in the 1950s in the Pacific were actually attempts to kill the creature they had awakened.

An interesting take on the story. I look forward to seeing it.

31 Kragar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:30:48pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

Here’s the Godzilla trailer…

[Embedded content]

I kind of like them going back to the 1950s stuff as part of the origin.

32 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:31:05pm

re: #24 FemNaziBitch

My little girl dog just had another seizure.

Damn it! So horrible.

And hugs to you.

33 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:31:34pm

re: #20 wrenchwench

Irony of bringing issue forward to new thread after complaining about someone else doing it on the last thread: noted.

It provides another example of how these techniques are used and which groups are targeted. I think it’s justifiable use of law enforcement. Just because a conversation about violence or terrorism happens online doesn’t mean the feds shouldn’t monitor it. It would be negligent not to.

34 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:33:39pm

re: #27 RadicalModerate

Yes, the Alex Jones and Ron Paul fans really are this stupid.

‘Obama Assassination’ Cartoon Prompts Secret Service Visit (cached link)

They are actually surprised that the US Secret Service has a problem with this.

Seems the chiaroscuro inking was really shabby.

35 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:33:50pm

re: #33 Killgore Trout

It provides another example of how these techniques are used and which groups are targeted. I think it’s justifiable use of law enforcement. Just because a conversation about violence or terrorism happens online doesn’t mean the feds shouldn’t monitor it. It would be negligent not to.

Perhaps a Page would be in order.

36 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:34:26pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

Here’s the Godzilla trailer…

[Embedded content]

….WOW!

37 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:35:21pm
38 A Mom Anon  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:35:49pm

re: #24 FemNaziBitch

((((hugs to you and the puppy)))) I would be so scared.

39 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:36:48pm

re: #27 RadicalModerate

Yes, the Alex Jones and Ron Paul fans really are this stupid.

‘Obama Assassination’ Cartoon Prompts Secret Service Visit (cached link)

They are actually surprised that the US Secret Service has a problem with this.

I need to bleach my eyes after reading the asinine and paranoid comments/rantings.

40 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:37:13pm

re: #31 Kragar

I kind of like them going back to the 1950s stuff as part of the origin.

What I like is that, of what we’ve been able to see of the creature, this version of Godzilla will not be a repeat of the overgrown iguana.

41 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:37:31pm
42 RadicalModerate  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:39:32pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

Here’s the Godzilla trailer…

[Embedded content]

It really just doesn’t feel the same without the big Toho logo at the beginning of the preview.

43 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:40:29pm

If GCHQ actually responded to Glenn’s query and said “Yes, you are correct, we totally do everything that is described in the PowerPoint slides, including our magic tricks for which we provide you further down” he would be all like

HURR HURR!!!! THEY TOTALLY ADMIT TO EVERYTHING!!!!!!

But if they replied “You asinine fool, we do nothing of the kind and you are a fucking asshole” he would be all like

HURR HURRR!!! HOW CAN YOU TRUST WHAT A GOVERNMENT AGENCY TELLS YOU!!!!!!

44 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:41:17pm

re: #27 RadicalModerate

Obama Assassination’ Cartoon Prompts Secret Service Visit

In his dream, Conrad is enlisted by his future self, a physically mangled version of the Constitution, to go back in time using former Congressman Ron Paul’s time machine and assassinate President Obama.

While the premise of the episode is indeed macabre, the fact that the series is an animation and clearly issuing a satirical statement on the current state of affairs, in addition to the fact that the cartoon far from advocates violence, places its content well within the jurisdiction of the First Amendment.

i’m sorry it’s against the law to encourage murders or assassinations, especially the assassination of a government official

as a matter of fact, alex jones, if somebody posted a video where they put it out as a good an necessary idea that you yourself should be assassinated, you could take this video to the police and have that person prosecuted

no matter how much they maintained that it was “satire”

45 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:41:53pm

re: #40 Targetpractice

What I like is that, of what we’ve been able to see of the creature, this version of Godzilla will not be a repeat of the overgrown iguana.

Definitely. It looks to be much more along the lines of the classic creature we all grew up with, only less dorky looking.

From what I’ve seen, the creature in this version of Godzilla looks genuinely menacing.

46 EdDantes  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:42:03pm

re: #31 Kragar

I’m a Gorgo fan. I do have a soft spot in my heart for The beast from 20000 fathoms

47 jaunte  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:42:06pm

Everything mentioned in a Powerpoint is guaranteed to happen. It’s in the rules.

48 Weet  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:42:13pm

re: #16 piratedan

The part that I find so remarkable is that the Government has to work with the private sector in order to obtain the majority of this data and nobody at all seems to be concerned that the private sector has it on file to give or their right to retain it and mine it and use it/sell it as they see fit for the privilege of using their services.

Agreed. I keep explaining this to friends of mine that are uptight about the NSA. How can people be so obtuse about that?

49 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:42:26pm

re: #41 Pie-onist Overlord

Updinged and retweeted.

And those ^^^ words added to the dictionary.

50 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:46:21pm

re: #47 jaunte

Everything mentioned in a Powerpoint is guaranteed to happen. It’s in the rules.

Nostradamus predicted PowerPoint. Or was that Harvard Graphics?

51 Kragar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:46:58pm

re: #40 Targetpractice

What I like is that, of what we’ve been able to see of the creature, this version of Godzilla will not be a repeat of the overgrown iguana.

I have a weakness for the classics.

52 A Mom Anon  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:47:15pm

re: #48 Weet

OOooh government bad. I guess that’s it. But I would LOVE for people to think. Target, WalMart, Amazon, any store at any mall, your bank, and god knows who else has way more info about any of us than the government does and no one bats an eyelash. Unless there’s a published security breach of some kind.

They breathe a rarified air, or a low in oxygen kind.

53 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:47:29pm

re: #45 Dr Lizardo

Definitely. It looks to be much more along the lines of the classic creature we all grew up with, only less dorky looking.

From what I’ve seen, the creature in this version of Godzilla looks genuinely menacing.

Well, it helps to keep in mind that the “dorky” look was what fans wanted. Yeah, it’s a decade’s old costume that was moved around with wires, but damnit, it was a classic!

54 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:49:04pm

re: #51 Kragar

I have a weakness for the classics.

[Embedded image]

See, I’m too young to have grown up with the kaiju classics. My first contact with Godzilla was…that film which we do not speak of, which sort of soured me on the genre.

55 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:49:42pm

re: #53 Targetpractice

Well, it helps to keep in mind that the “dorky” look was what fans wanted. Yeah, it’s a decade’s old costume that was moved around with wires, but damnit, it was a classic!

Heh. I grew up on Godzilla and I love those old ones. “Suitmation” as Toho referred to it as.

I’ll try to see this one, though. It looks good. It seems to have a good cast, and if it’s intelligently written, it could be a blockbuster.

56 GeneJockey  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:50:14pm

re: #24 FemNaziBitch

My little girl dog just had another seizure.

Damn it! So horrible.

No idea what’s causing it, but this used to happen to our Golden.

It started fairly suddenly, he’d just stop, and you could tell he wasn’t really there. We’d hold him and stroke him and in a few minutes he’d come around. They were happening once or twice a week. we resigned ourselves to more vet expenses.

Then one day, my wife had a gardener friend over who said, “Why do you have so much Poison Hemlock in your back yard?” We’d had some guys tear out the old concrete and put a bunch of cheap compost on the yard, and the hemlock came up in great amounts on the verge where we hadn’t sodded. We didn’t know what it was, and it was kinda pretty. I spent a day tearing it all out.

The seizures stopped. He didn’t have one for a month. We figured it must have been the hemlock. Like most Goldens, he was a grazer.

Then one day, he had a seizure. Maybe it wasn’t the hemlock after all.

I went out, and sure enough, some new sprouts of it were coming up. I tore those out, and watched for others and pulled them when they appeared. He never had another seizure.

This might have nothing at all to do with what’s causing your dog’s seizures, but I’d check the yard for suspicious plants.

57 allegro  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:50:50pm

re: #53 Targetpractice

Well, it helps to keep in mind that the “dorky” look was what fans wanted. Yeah, it’s a decade’s old costume that was moved around with wires, but damnit, it was a classic!

The monster could be dorky as hell. I’d watch it for Bryan Cranston alone.

58 Weet  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:50:52pm
59 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:51:46pm
60 Kragar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:52:03pm

re: #54 Targetpractice

See, I’m too young to have grown up with the kaiju classics. My first contact with Godzilla was…that film which we do not speak of, which sort of soured me on the genre.

Growing up in Los Angeles, one of the local stations would have marathons of the original classics on holidays. 2-3 days in a row of all the old ones.

61 GeneJockey  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:53:28pm

re: #37 Dr. Matt

Atomic Breath!

It looks like he’s hurling.

62 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:54:29pm

Quick everybody, looks surprised.

63 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:54:34pm

Also.

64 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:55:06pm

re: #60 Kragar

Growing up in Los Angeles, one of the local stations would have marathons of the original classics on holidays. 2-3 days in a row of all the old ones.

I can’t remember now if it was Channel 5 or Channel 9 in L.A., but on Sundays - if I recall correctly - they always had Godzilla films. This was in the early to mid 1970s.

They also used to have anime like “Star Blazers”, “Speed Racer”, and “Kimba the White Lion” in the mornings as well.

65 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:56:22pm

Evening Lizardim.

66 Kragar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:57:29pm

re: #64 Dr Lizardo

I can’t remember now if it was Channel 5 or Channel 9 in L.A., but on Sundays - if I recall correctly - they always had Godzilla films. This was in the early to mid 1970s.

They also used to have anime like “Star Blazers”, “Speed Racer”, and “Kimba the White Lion” in the mornings as well.

Channel 5, KTLA. I remember watching “Battle of the Planets” on there as well.

67 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:58:19pm

re: #63 Gus

Yes, I saw that. Conor Friedersdorf thinks we shouldn’t have laws against discrimination.

Libertarianism poisoning everything again.

68 GeneJockey  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:59:07pm

I think I’ve seen maybe 1 1/2 Godzilla films in my life, if you exclude the Matthew Broderick abomination.

Meh.

But this whole thread reminded me more of the Pinky and the Brain cartoon with Gollyzilla, complete with Raymond Burr in repeated shots all by himself saying, “Yes….Yes, I see!”

69 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:59:47pm

70 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 2:59:54pm

re: #66 Kragar

Channel 5, KTLA. I remember watching “Battle of the Planets” on there as well.

Yep….the call sign is what I recall. KTLA. Good times.

71 GeneJockey  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:00:10pm

re: #67 Charles Johnson

Yes, I saw that. Conor Friedersdorf thinks we shouldn’t have laws against discrimination.

Libertarianism poisoning everything again.

What could POSSIBLY go wrong with that?
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72 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:00:14pm

re: #42 RadicalModerate

It really just doesn’t feel the same without the big Toho logo at the beginning of the preview.[Embedded image]

The English version, for those of us who can’t read Japanese:

73 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:00:14pm

re: #67 Charles Johnson

Yes, I saw that. Conor Friedersdorf thinks we shouldn’t have laws against discrimination.

Libertarianism poisoning everything again.

They abhor it but they don’t want it to be illegal. That makes absolutely zero sense.

74 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:01:31pm
75 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:01:38pm

re: #73 thedopefishlives

They abhor it but they don’t want it to be illegal. That makes absolutely zero sense.

“I abhor blacks not being able to eat at any lunch counter but there shouldn’t be any laws against it!”

76 GeneJockey  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:02:37pm

re: #73 thedopefishlives

They abhor it but they don’t want it to be illegal. That makes absolutely zero sense.

It makes sense, if you buy into the ‘The Market will take care of EVERYTHING!” dogma, because then anyone who discriminates will go out of business, just like all the ‘Whites Only’ businesses never did back in the old Jim Crow days.

77 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:02:41pm

“If enough people responds to a diner not allowing blacks to eat at lunch counters then that diner will go out of business!”

78 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:04:09pm

re: #76 GeneJockey

It makes sense, if you buy into the ‘The Market will take care of EVERYTHING!” dogma, because then anyone who discriminates will go out of business, just like all the ‘Whites Only’ businesses never did back in the old Jim Crow days.

Yeah, that worked SO incredibly well. The Civil Rights Act had nothing whatsoever to do with it, I’m sure.

79 GeneJockey  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:04:09pm

re: #77 Gus

“If enough people responds to a diner not allowing blacks to eat at lunch counters then that diner will go out of business!”

Yeah, shit - we’ve DONE this experiment, and we can examine the data.

80 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:04:10pm


Derp.

81 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:05:07pm

re: #59 Gus

Couple of good reads from… Daily Kos. :D

Meta: Your paranoia is crazy

A reality check about the Venezuela uprising

I wish them well in the attempt to inject a little more reality into the “reality based community” but any gains are bound to be temporary. Imagine the hysteria if there was a Republican in the White House. It will happen again and the larger culture of outrage, hate and conspiracy theories has a very large attraction.

82 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:05:19pm

83 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:05:59pm

“Hey man. I abhor what’s going on with the Little Rock Nine man but I’m not going to send any federal troops down there.”

84 GeneJockey  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:06:08pm

re: #78 thedopefishlives

Yeah, that worked SO incredibly well. The Civil Rights Act had nothing whatsoever to do with it, I’m sure.

Oh, you know segregation and denial of voting rights would have died out on their own, just like slavery would have. The CRA and the VRA only perpetuated racism.
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85 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:06:21pm

re: #63 Gus

Also.

@goodnewsgoddess @bobcesca_go @sullydish we aren’t apologists for discrimination. We abhor it, but stop short of wanting to make it illegal
— Conor Friedersdorf (@conor64) February 25, 2014

WTFITS, Friedersdorf?

86 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:06:57pm

re: #81 Killgore Trout

I wish them well in the attempt to inject a little more reality into the “reality based community” but any gains are bound to be temporary. Imagine the hysteria if there was a Republican in the White House. It will happen again and the larger culture of outrage, hate and conspiracy theories has a very large attraction.

You might like Rootless then.

87 Kragar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:07:14pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

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Dawn of the Lepus…

88 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:08:29pm

re: #87 Kragar

Dawn of the Lepus…

Yep. It was only a matter of time.

God/Buddha/Vishnu/FSM help us all.

89 GeneJockey  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:10:02pm

re: #88 Dr Lizardo

Yep. It was only a matter of time.

God/Buddha/Vishnu/FSM help us all.

SOON WE’LL BE OVERRUN WITH THEM!!! THEY BREED LIKE…LIKE…well, you know.

90 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:10:25pm

Here’s the thing: I sorta get why it might make sense to say. I’m against abortion on moral grounds but in favor of its legality. However, that’s me being in FAVOR of less oppressive laws. Here, these guys are OPPOSED to less oppressive laws.

91 Kragar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:12:31pm

re: #89 GeneJockey

SOON WE’LL BE OVERRUN WITH THEM!!! THEY BREED LIKE…LIKE…well, you know.

High schoolers who get “abstinence only” sex ed in the South?

92 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:13:19pm
93 GeneJockey  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:13:42pm

re: #90 thedopefishlives

Here’s the thing: I sorta get why it might make sense to say. I’m against abortion on moral grounds but in favor of its legality. However, that’s me being in FAVOR of less oppressive laws. Here, these guys are OPPOSED to less oppressive laws.

Well, they see requiring businesses to serve anyone as oppressive, because it’s the Government, but businesses discriminating against people because of some perceived difference is NOT Government, so even if the effect is oppressive, it’s not A Bad Thing.

These clowns do not get the point of self-government.

94 GeneJockey  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:14:57pm

re: #91 Kragar

High schoolers who get “abstinence only” sex ed in the South Alaska?

FTFY

95 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:17:21pm

re: #92 Gus

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This is from ex-Prosecutor General Viktor Pshonka ‘s hunting lodge.

96 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:17:56pm

Yes, that’s a hunting lodge.

97 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:19:00pm

re: #96 NJDhockeyfan

Yes, that’s a hunting lodge.

Is that what they’re calling them in the Ukraine?

98 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:19:42pm

re: #96 NJDhockeyfan

Yes, that’s a hunting lodge.

Let them eat … uhh … what DO they hunt in the Ukraine anyway? Peasants?

99 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:19:50pm

re: #86 Gus

You might like Rootless then.

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Heh

100 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:19:52pm

GG has the nerve to say this, “How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations” when he’s doing that himself?

101 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:20:18pm

Who is his interior designer? Ugh

102 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:20:39pm

re: #98 thedopefishlives

Let them eat … uhh … what DO they hunt in the Ukraine anyway? Peasants?

Serfing Safari.

103 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:20:42pm
104 piratedan  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:21:21pm

re: #101 NJDhockeyfan

Glenn Beck and his Goldbug sponsors

105 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:21:23pm

Argle bargle Matt Barber.

106 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:21:37pm

re: #101 NJDhockeyfan

Who is his interior designer? Ugh

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I read something about that a few days ago. He has a younger mistress that gets the blame for the decorating taste.

107 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:22:04pm

re: #98 thedopefishlives

Let them eat … uhh … what DO they hunt in the Ukraine anyway? Peasants?

Exclusive video of Yanukovych and his Interior Minister at Pshonka’s hunting lodge.

Youtube Video

108 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:22:39pm

109 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:22:59pm

re: #98 thedopefishlives

Let them eat … uhh … what DO they hunt in the Ukraine anyway? Peasants?

They used to hunt Juice, but that’s an endangered species now.

110 Kragar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:23:24pm
111 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:23:47pm

Apple FINALLY fixes OS X ‘goto fail’ SSL bug that threw fans to the wolves

The following code has two goto fail; statements, meaning if the first isn’t executed, the second one surely will. A crucial cryptographic signature check is skipped over, allowing the server to offer a public certificate of, say, google.com, and claim to be that site, while not possessing the corresponding private key to prove it.

if ((err = SSLHashSHA1.update(&hashCtx, &signedParams)) != 0)
goto fail;
goto fail;

i told you to put the curly braces in even if there is only one statement in the block now didn’t i? if you had you woulda spotted that…

112 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:24:00pm

113 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:25:14pm

re: #100 Justanotherhuman

GG has the nerve to say this, “How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations” when he’s doing that himself?

Greenwald has done it himself, he assumes (plausibly enough, actually) that Governments do it (although it is ridiculous to assume only the US and its allies are doing so), so any kind of flimsy non-evidence is seized upon as “proof”.

Perhaps GG is permanently stuck in the 3rd operating mode for lawyers: 1) if the facts are on your side, argue the facts; 2) if the law is on your side, argue the law; and 3) if neither the facts nor the law support your position, pound the table.

114 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:25:29pm

I have expanded on the topic of Skip Intro’s front page promotion.

115 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:27:16pm

re: #56 GeneJockey

No idea what’s causing it, but this used to happen to our Golden.

It started fairly suddenly, he’d just stop, and you could tell he wasn’t really there. We’d hold him and stroke him and in a few minutes he’d come around. They were happening once or twice a week. we resigned ourselves to more vet expenses.

Then one day, my wife had a gardener friend over who said, “Why do you have so much Poison Hemlock in your back yard?” We’d had some guys tear out the old concrete and put a bunch of cheap compost on the yard, and the hemlock came up in great amounts on the verge where we hadn’t sodded. We didn’t know what it was, and it was kinda pretty. I spent a day tearing it all out.

The seizures stopped. He didn’t have one for a month. We figured it must have been the hemlock. Like most Goldens, he was a grazer.

Then one day, he had a seizure. Maybe it wasn’t the hemlock after all.

I went out, and sure enough, some new sprouts of it were coming up. I tore those out, and watched for others and pulled them when they appeared. He never had another seizure.

This might have nothing at all to do with what’s causing your dog’s seizures, but I’d check the yard for suspicious plants.

Wouldn’t that show up in the tox screen/blood work? Of the three dogs, she is the only one having seizures and they all eat in the yard.

116 GeneJockey  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:27:24pm

“Hunting” in Europe has long been something done by royalty, nobility, and the just plain rich. When done by Everyman, it was called ‘Poaching’.

117 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:27:42pm

re: #111 dog philosopher

I don’t know about that “threw fans to the wolves” line, though — Apple fixed iOS almost immediately, and that was the most vulnerable avenue for an exploit to happen, since it would require the attacker to also have access to the wireless connection and mobile devices are vastly more exposed to that.

Desktop computers are pretty unlikely to be attacked through this exploit. (Not impossible of course.)

But still I was glad to see that upgrade this morning, because it’s a serious bug, no doubt about that. Did it right away.

118 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:27:58pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

Thanks everyone for your good thoughts.

119 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:28:02pm

re: #105 Gus

Argle bargle Matt Barber.


Quoth Barber:

Hey, gals, want to avoid being raped? Put away that Lady Smith 38. No need for pepper spray. Self-defense classes? Not necessary. The solution is simple. The best defense against rape is to just cast away your “deeply troubling” Christianity and become a secularist slut.

Edit: link fixed.

(Link to Wonkette, which links to the original WND piece)

120 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:28:26pm

re: #117 Charles Johnson

If someone has that sort of access in proximity to your desktop computer, you’ve got bigger problems than a vulnerability in your OS.

121 GeneJockey  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:28:30pm

re: #115 FemNaziBitch

Wouldn’t that show up in the tox screen/blood work? Of the three dogs, she is the only one having seizures and they all eat in the yard.

I don’t know. I do know that the Eskie never had a similar problem. I merely offer it as a possibility.

122 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:28:43pm

re: #107 Dr Lizardo

Exclusive video of Yanukovych and his Interior Minister at Pshonka’s hunting lodge.

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More pictures here. For some reason they don’t show any hunting rifles.

The onetime hunting lodge of ex-Prosecutor General Viktor Pshonka outside of Kyiv is now under the control of EuroMaidan Self-Defense units, or civilian patrols. Journalists who visited the place found that Pshonka also liked to live in high style, just as his former boss, Viktor Yanukovych, who was ousted as president on Feb. 22. Pshonka even proudly displayed a portrait of Yanukovych presenting him with a bouquet of red roses upon his appointment as prosecutor general in 2010. Pshonka has been missing since the collapse of the Yanukovych administration.

123 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:28:46pm

OMG! America unleashes its most horrible weapon on Venezuela!
Ex-President Carter planning trip to Venezuela

The Carter Center mediated talks between Venezuela’s government and opposition after a 2002 coup against then President Hugo Chavez.

Carter says he hopes to meet with Capriles and other leaders during an April visit to promote a health program with Venezuela and Brazil.

124 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:29:15pm

re: #119 The Ghost of a Flea

Wingnut Columnist Matt Barber Decides Feminism Means ‘Please Rape Me.’

Quoth Barber.

(Link to Wonkette, which links to the original WND piece)

linky no worky on my end

125 iossarian  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:30:47pm

re: #123 Killgore Trout

OMG! America unleashes its most horrible weapon on Venezuela!
Ex-President Carter planning trip to Venezuela

SOROS CARTER JANE FONDA

126 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:31:50pm

re: #119 The Ghost of a Flea

Wingnut Columnist Matt Barber Decides Feminism Means ‘Please Rape Me.’

Quoth Barber.

(Link to Wonkette, which links to the original WND piece)

What the … I … ARGLE BARGLE *explodes*

127 GeneJockey  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:33:03pm

re: #115 FemNaziBitch

Wouldn’t that show up in the tox screen/blood work? Of the three dogs, she is the only one having seizures and they all eat in the yard.

The other point would be that a tox screen only finds what it’s looking for. In our case, we hadn’t even thought of a tox screen because of the prevalence of epilepsy in Goldens, along with some other not so great things.

128 iossarian  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:33:10pm

I wonder if Jimmy Carter gets cramps from living in right-wingers’ heads.

129 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:34:05pm

re: #128 iossarian

I wonder if Jimmy Carter gets cramps from living in right-wingers’ heads.

I hear they’re roomy. No furniture, few thoughts in the way….

130 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:34:07pm

re: #124 FemNaziBitch

linky no worky on my end

Fixed it.

131 iossarian  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:34:42pm

re: #129 wrenchwench

I hear they’re roomy. No furniture, few thoughts in the way….

Win.

Oops, got to go again. Great evenings all round.

132 GeneJockey  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:34:46pm

re: #129 wrenchwench

I hear they’re roomy. No furniture, few thoughts in the way….

The constant state of alarm gets tiresome after a while, though.

133 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:36:22pm

re: #128 iossarian

I wonder if Jimmy Carter gets cramps from living in right-wingers’ heads.

The incessant hammering really sets them off, though.

134 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:38:16pm

A liberal feminist can ALSO be a fucking moran.

135 Kragar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:42:13pm
136 lewisfrancis  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:43:47pm

Dunno if Greenwald has any evidence he hasn’t yet shown, but I ran across this USAF solicitation from early 2011 that I kept for posterity. You tell me what the USAF was going to use this for. Note, link no longer works; afaict the FBO’s live database only goes back a year.

fbo.gov

Persona Management Software.
Solicitation Number: RTB220610
Agency: Department of the Air Force
Office: Air Mobility Command
Location: 6th Contracting Squadron

Excerpt:
0001- Online Persona Management Service. 50 User Licenses, 10 Personas per user.

Software will allow 10 personas per user, replete with background , history, supporting details, and cyber presences that are technically, culturally and geographacilly consistent. Individual applications will enable an operator to exercise a number of different online persons from the same workstation and without fear of being discovered by sophisticated adversaries. Personas must be able to appear to originate in nearly any part of the world and can interact through conventional online services and social media platforms. The service includes a user friendly application environment to maximize the user’s situational awareness by displaying real-time local information.

137 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:45:44pm

I had broken free from Google, and the world was still on its axis. I had mastered another service and could still find the information I needed. The whole experience reminded me of a quote from Marc Andreessen, the man who created Netscape, the first web-browsing software, back in 1994. “The spread of computers and the Internet will put jobs in two categories,” he said in a 2012 interview. “People who tell computers what to do, and people who are told by computers what to do.”

ideas.time.com

geez

138 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:47:30pm

re: #136 lewisfrancis

Dunno if Greenwald has any evidence he hasn’t yet shown, but I ran across this USAF solicitation from early 2011 that I kept for posterity. You tell me what the USAF was going to use this for. Note, link no longer works; afaict the FBO’s live database only goes back a year.

fbo.gov

Persona Management Software.
Solicitation Number: RTB220610
Agency: Department of the Air Force
Office: Air Mobility Command
Location: 6th Contracting Squadron

Excerpt:
0001- Online Persona Management Service. 50 User Licenses, 10 Personas per user.

Software will allow 10 personas per user, replete with background , history, supporting details, and cyber presences that are technically, culturally and geographacilly consistent. Individual applications will enable an operator to exercise a number of different online persons from the same workstation and without fear of being discovered by sophisticated adversaries. Personas must be able to appear to originate in nearly any part of the world and can interact through conventional online services and social media platforms. The service includes a user friendly application environment to maximize the user’s situational awareness by displaying real-time local information.

Most likely it was so some of them could be spies, like it says on their job descriptions.

Welcome, newbie.

139 Kragar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:49:24pm

re: #137 dog philosopher

I had broken free from Google, and the world was still on its axis. I had mastered another service and could still find the information I needed. The whole experience reminded me of a quote from Marc Andreessen, the man who created Netscape, the first web-browsing software, back in 1994. “The spread of computers and the Internet will put jobs in two categories,” he said in a 2012 interview. “People who tell computers what to do, and people who are told by computers what to do.”

ideas.time.com

geez

Channeling Patrick McGoohan?
/

Youtube Video

140 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:50:43pm

re: #139 Kragar

Channeling Patrick McGoohan?
/

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“I’m sorry, I can’t do that, Dave.”

141 Weet  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:51:35pm
142 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:52:34pm

re: #130 The Ghost of a Flea

Fixed it.

No, still getting about:blank on my tab.

it’s ok.

143 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:52:51pm

re: #117 Charles Johnson

I don’t know about that “threw fans to the wolves” line, though — Apple fixed iOS almost immediately, and that was the most vulnerable avenue for an exploit to happen, since it would require the attacker to also have access to the wireless connection and mobile devices are vastly more exposed to that.

Desktop computers are pretty unlikely to be attacked through this exploit. (Not impossible of course.)

But still I was glad to see that upgrade this morning, because it’s a serious bug, no doubt about that. Did it right away.

i would think that an obvious error like that would be caught in code review

144 Kragar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:53:48pm
145 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:54:25pm

re: #127 GeneJockey

The other point would be that a tox screen only finds what it’s looking for. In our case, we hadn’t even thought of a tox screen because of the prevalence of epilepsy in Goldens, along with some other not so great things.

Still waiting for thyroid tests to come back. they were sent to the Univ of Some Other State for the long form to be completed. Takes about 10 days, I guess.

Her half-sister has been having seizures as well, and is now on pheno. Vet said if thyroid comes back healthy, then we’ll do the pheno. We aren’t going to do an MRI because we won’t treat for brain cancer/tumor. We’ll just see how well she does on the medication and try to give her the best life possible as long as possible.

146 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:57:09pm
147 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:57:36pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

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“How big is that corn cob up his butt?”

///

148 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:57:45pm

re: #142 FemNaziBitch

No, still getting about:blank on my tab.

it’s ok.

OK, I’m confused. When I click the link, it goes through.

http://wonkette.com/542607/wingnut-columnist-matt-barber-decides-feminism-means-please-rape-me

149 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:57:56pm

re: #134 wrenchwench

A liberal feminist can ALSO be a fucking moran.

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Yeah, I think I linked that a few days ago. Insane. It can be frustrating because we all want the predators to be stopped. In our organization (where I volunteer) we are support the survivor —period. There is a big wall between law enforcement and us —set-up by law. The survivor has to trust that we are on their side or they may never come forward for treatment.

The long term damage to the survivor and any children they have is too devastating —sometimes it has to be weighed against the damage done by the criminal.

HUMANS!!!!

150 lewisfrancis  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:58:29pm

re: #138 Decatur Deb

Most likely it was so some of them could be spies, like it says on their job descriptions.

Welcome, newbie.

Yup, thanks, and I’m guessing its deployed by now. Again, dunno if Greenwald knows more than he’s providing evidence for, but it seems not much of a leap to assume that such a tool would be useful to an organization that may choose to “Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations” in order to achieve it’s mission.

151 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:58:34pm

re: #140 Decatur Deb

“I’m sorry, I can’t do that, Dave.”

I just read that book! So much better than the movie.

152 Kragar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:58:59pm
153 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 3:59:37pm

re: #148 The Ghost of a Flea

OK, I’m confused. When I click the link, it goes through.

http://wonkette.com/542607/wingnut-columnist-matt-barber-decides-feminism-means-please-rape-me

this time it worked,

thanks :)

154 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:00:21pm

re: #152 Kragar

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DON’T let them eat cake!

155 GeneJockey  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:01:15pm

re: #145 FemNaziBitch

Still waiting for thyroid tests to come back. they were sent to the Univ of Some Other State for the long form to be completed. Takes about 10 days, I guess.

Her half-sister has been having seizures as well, and is now on pheno. Vet said if thyroid comes back healthy, then we’ll do the pheno. We aren’t going to do an MRI because we won’t treat for brain cancer/tumor. We’ll just see how well she does on the medication and try to give her the best life possible as long as possible.

Hoping for the best. It hurts like hell when they get sick and you can’t do much to help.

156 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:01:16pm

re: #27 RadicalModerate

Yes, the Alex Jones and Ron Paul fans really are this stupid.

‘Obama Assassination’ Cartoon Prompts Secret Service Visit (cached link)

They are actually surprised that the US Secret Service has a problem with this.

Yes, but the Secret Service visit to the man who INSULTED Darth Cheney at a speech was perfectly reasonable.

157 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:02:03pm

re: #150 lewisfrancis

Yup, thanks, and I’m guessing its deployed by now. Again, dunno if Greenwald knows more than he’s providing evidence for, but it seems not much of a leap to assume that such a tool would be useful to an organization that may choose to “Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations” in order to achieve it’s mission.

Yep. And a small sledge is useful for smashing Michaelangleo’s Pieta. Or creating Bird in Space.

158 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:02:30pm

re: #148 The Ghost of a Flea

OK, I’m confused. When I click the link, it goes through.

http://wonkette.com/542607/wingnut-columnist-matt-barber-decides-feminism-means-please-rape-me

159 GeneJockey  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:03:41pm

re: #144 Kragar

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Not so much “I am not a number, I am a FREE MAN!!” and more “…pocketa, pocketa, pocketa…”

160 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:03:51pm

re: #155 GeneJockey

Hoping for the best. It hurts like hell when they get sick and you can’t do much to help.

I can’t imagine what she feels like. One breeder told us (thru the internet) that it is like getting hit in the head by a pro boxer (not the dog).

She seems to act like she thinks she has done something wrong. I just kept wiping her mouth with a cool cloth (lots of froth) and telling her she was a good girl.

161 GeneJockey  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:06:02pm

re: #160 FemNaziBitch

I can’t imagine what she feels like. One breeder told us (thru the internet) that it is like getting hit in the head by a pro boxer (not the dog).

She seems to act like she thinks she has done something wrong. I just kept wiping her mouth with a cool cloth (lots of froth) and telling her she was a good girl.

When Rhyo came out of them, he was extra affectionate, almost like he was apologizing for worrying us.

162 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:06:27pm

re: #160 FemNaziBitch

I can’t imagine what she feels like. One breeder told us (thru the internet) that it is like getting hit in the head by a pro boxer (not the dog).

She seems to act like she thinks she has done something wrong. I just kept wiping her mouth with a cool cloth (lots of froth) and telling her she was a good girl.

Poor puppy. Hugs and prayers headed your way for your canine friend.

163 Kragar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:07:17pm
164 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:07:52pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

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Did Romney shart or something?

165 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:08:40pm
166 KiTA  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:09:38pm

Literally every single one of Greenwald’s spewings do the same thing. A page or two of paranoid ranting, a small admission that he has no proof at all, a half a page of ranting, followed up by browbeating and threats over twitter and through his cult of personality to anyone who doesn’t report it verbatim, exactly how he wants it reported.

I only wish the liberal blogs and actual reputable traditional journalists would actually, you know, point this stuff out. DailyKOS worships the ground Greenwald walks on, for example, and you never hear MSNBC or CNN pointing out that he’s full of shit.

167 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:10:57pm

168 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:13:58pm

re: #150 lewisfrancis

Yup, thanks, and I’m guessing its deployed by now. Again, dunno if Greenwald knows more than he’s providing evidence for, but it seems not much of a leap to assume that such a tool would be useful to an organization that may choose to “Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations” in order to achieve it’s mission.

Greenwald’s main failure as a journalist is a persistent pattern of making assumptions, asserting said assumptions in a catchy headline, and then burying the nontrivial detail that no proof is provided for the catchy headline deep in the bowels of an article otherwise filled with rants about how terrible it is that these assumptions are true.

It really gets old.

169 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:14:47pm

Ukrainians are evidently furious that Tymoshenko’s adult daughter celebrated her birthday in style in Rome while Kyiv burned and many were killed on 2/20, returning only to the city to greet her mother upon her release from prison. It’s also being reported that Tymoshenko will not run for office in the new elections in May.

170 KiTA  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:14:48pm

re: #165 FemNaziBitch

CDC forced to release documents showing they knew vaccine preservative causes autism

linked journal article:
Thimerosal-Derived Ethylmercury Is a Mitochondrial Toxin in Human Astrocytes: Possible Role of Fenton Chemistry in the Oxidation and Breakage of mtDNA

A quick Google of the groups mentioned in the acknowledgements suggests this may not be on the up and up. It’d be the same as if I read a “peer reviewed” paper disproving evolution that happened to be funded by Answers in Genesis.

171 PeterWolf  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:17:25pm

The big give away for me in the Greenwald article is that in the beginning of the article, he points to a slide deck and says that slide deck is the basis for the article. Then, through the article, introduces slide from other decks and attempts to portray them in the context of the original deck.

There’s nothing startling at all in the original deck. The introduced slides are used to make it look like something sinister. And yes, as someone else said, there’s always the notes to go with the deck, and those notes would provide a lot of context. Does Greenwald have them? If so, why not publish them?

Greenwald’s a hack, end of story.

172 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:18:42pm

re: #170 KiTA

A quick Google of the groups mentioned in the acknowledgements suggests this may not be on the up and up. It’d be the same as if I read a “peer reviewed” paper disproving evolution that happened to be funded by Answers in Genesis.

I figured, it’s so frustrating when it shows up on my fb feed as current information.

mitochondrial toxin in human astrocyes —?????

REALLY?

Not to mention that the documents revealed NOTHING.

173 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:23:21pm

re: #149 FemNaziBitch

Yeah, I think I linked that a few days ago. Insane. It can be frustrating because we all want the predators to be stopped. In our organization (where I volunteer) we are support the survivor —period. There is a big wall between law enforcement and us —set-up by law. The survivor has to trust that we are on their side or they may never come forward for treatment.

The long term damage to the survivor and any children they have is too devastating —sometimes it has to be weighed against the damage done by the criminal.

HUMANS!!!!

From the original story:

[…]

So earlier this month they obtained a judge’s order for a material witness warrant.

It’s a little-used procedure under state law that allows police to arrest a witness of a crime to ensure they show up for court. Chief Criminal Deputy James Smith said such warrants are rare and requested only “as a last resort.”

In this case, it had the added irony of using a warrant to hold the woman against her will so she can help convict someone else of holding her against her will.

[…]

So apparently it’s legal, but it should not be, IMHO, legal to lock up the VICTIM of a crime as a material witness. And Marcotte has no reason to support this idiocy. Which woman will report rape in the future if it means SHE will go to jail?

174 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:24:50pm

re: #173 wrenchwench

From the original story:

So apparently it’s legal, but it should not be, IMHO, legal to lock up the VICTIM of a crime as a material witness. And Marcotte has no reason to support this idiocy. Which woman will report rape in the future if it means SHE will go to jail?

Unless the perp were of a John Wayne Gacy caliber, I can’t think of any reason to support this action.

175 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:26:39pm

re: #174 FemNaziBitch

Unless the perp were of a John Wayne Gacy caliber, I can’t think of any reason to support this action.

And if the perp is of that caliber. there will be other means of gaining a conviction besides revictimization.

176 Weet  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:26:47pm

re: #166 KiTA

Literally every single one of Greenwald’s spewings do the same thing. A page or two of paranoid ranting, a small admission that he has no proof at all, a half a page of ranting, followed up by browbeating and threats over twitter and through his cult of personality to anyone who doesn’t report it verbatim, exactly how he wants it reported.

I only wish the liberal blogs and actual reputable journalists would actually, you know, point this stuff out. DailyKOS worships the ground Greenwald walks on, for example.

Agree with everything you said, except the DailyKos part. There are a few hundred that agree with GG, and a few writers. But there are thousands that do not. I’ve watched the polls and counts on things, and that is my evaluation. The paranoid are very verbose, however.

I used to cringe every time I saw a new NSA article, but it appears to me that most rational thinkers are simply ignoring them.

That said, I may have missed some evidence that there is a larger number in love with GG, as I do not read everything at the site.

177 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:27:07pm

re: #167 FemNaziBitch

[Embedded image]

describes virtually the entire republican party agenda

except, “KEEP employees paid at the minimum they’ll accept because they’re terrified of being unemployed”

178 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:32:04pm

More pix and not all of them so sad.

179 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:32:10pm

re: #174 FemNaziBitch

Unless the perp were of a John Wayne Gacy caliber, I can’t think of any reason to support this action.

While I agree the victim should not be “locked up”, it’s also sad to see these kinds of victims go back into the same meat grinder they were in to start with. The perp will get away with it because there will be no case without the victim’s testimony.

And, the victim won’t even have the boyfriend to “lean on”—the same one who forced her into the situation—because he could be in jail since his plea bargain was based on the testimony he would have given in the case.

Why wasn’t the victim put up in a hotel with a mentor and the trial fast-tracked since she obviously had no where to go and no one to turn to for support outside the DA’s office? Surely there must be another solution other than locking her up in jail.

But no one can make a person prosecute if they’re not entirely willing.

180 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:32:50pm

re: #175 wrenchwench

And if the perp is of that caliber. there will be other means of gaining a conviction besides revictimization.

Actually, they had a very, very difficult time building a air-tight case against him.

181 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:33:40pm

re: #179 Justanotherhuman

While I agree the victim should not be “locked up”, it’s also sad to see these kinds of victims go back into the same meat grinder they were in to start with. The perp will get away with it because there will be no case without the victim’s testimony.

And, the victim won’t even have the boyfriend to “lean on”—the same one who forced her into the situation—because he could be in jail since his plea bargain was based on the testimony he would have given in the case.

Why wasn’t the victim put up in a hotel with a mentor and the trial fast-tracked since she obviously had no where to go and no one to turn to for support outside the DA’s office? Surely there must be another solution other than locking her up in jail.

But no one can make a person prosecute if they’re not entirely willing.

Yeah, seems they could put her in a safe house with a social worker, at least.

182 palomino  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:36:42pm

re: #101 NJDhockeyfan

Who is his interior designer? Ugh

[Embedded image]

Donald Trump. Very few other “humans” think this look is classy. But to a scumbag like Trump, anything gold means CLASS!

184 darthstar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:37:29pm
185 Kragar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:39:41pm

re: #184 darthstar

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My biggest disappointment with this whole thing is that so far, there has been no sign of Remo Williams coming in to clean up the problem.
/

186 darthstar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:40:57pm
187 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:40:58pm

Pat Buchanan: Repeal All U.S. Civil Rights Laws
The right-wing pundit insists that racism is no longer an issue, and suggests segregating LGBT people in Arizona.

188 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:41:40pm

re: #182 palomino

Donald Trump. Very few other “humans” think this look is classy. But to a scumbag like Trump, anything gold means CLASS!

thinks he has the “midas touch”?

189 darthstar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:42:09pm

re: #185 Kragar

My biggest disappointment with this whole thing is that so far, there has been no sign of Remo Williams coming in to clean up the problem.
/

Remo Williams - one of the best films ever. (if you count every film ever made, then it’s one of the best films ever)

190 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:42:59pm

re: #179 Justanotherhuman

While I agree the victim should not be “locked up”, it’s also sad to see these kinds of victims go back into the same meat grinder they were in to start with. The perp will get away with it because there will be no case without the victim’s testimony.

And, the victim won’t even have the boyfriend to “lean on”—the same one who forced her into the situation—because he could be in jail since his plea bargain was based on the testimony he would have given in the case.

Why wasn’t the victim put up in a hotel with a mentor and the trial fast-tracked since she obviously had no where to go and no one to turn to for support outside the DA’s office? Surely there must be another solution other than locking her up in jail.

But no one can make a person prosecute if they’re not entirely willing.

In Illinois the attorney general can prosecute whether or not the victim cooperates. If the AG determines the perp is a danger to society. It has to be a tough call —victim’s rights vs society’s rights.

191 Kragar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:43:24pm

re: #189 darthstar

Remo Williams - one of the best films ever. (if you count every film ever made, then it’s one of the best films ever)

Don’t make me hurt you.

192 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:43:37pm

re: #187 FemNaziBitch

Pat Buchanan: Repeal All U.S. Civil Rights Laws
The right-wing pundit insists that racism is no longer an issue, and suggests segregating LGBT people in Arizona.

Buchanan is one of a select group of vile assholes who I can’t fucking wait for to shuffle off their mortal coil.

193 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:44:14pm

re: #192 TedStriker

Buchanan is one of a select group of vile assholes who I can’t fucking wait for to shuffle off their mortal coil.

no worries, another will pop-up in his place.

/

194 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:46:05pm

re: #187 FemNaziBitch

Pat Buchanan: Repeal All U.S. Civil Rights Laws
The right-wing pundit insists that racism is no longer an issue, and suggests segregating LGBT people in Arizona.

Generalissimo Francisco Franco, err, Augusto Pinochet, oops, Patrick Buchanan says what?

lololo

What a fucking tool.

195 darthstar  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:47:50pm

re: #192 TedStriker

Buchanan is one of a select group of vile assholes who I can’t fucking wait for to shuffle off their mortal coil.

Their hope is that all these stupid fucks can die off in a short enough period that they don’t get replaced by younger, stupider fucks (see Rubio, Cruz, Jindal).

196 Skip Intro  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:47:52pm

re: #24 FemNaziBitch

My little girl dog just had another seizure.

Damn it! So horrible.

I have some friends who’s dog did this. Vets couldn’t figure out what the problem was.

Then, it just stopped.

Hope for the best.

197 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:52:30pm

re: #196 Skip Intro

I have some friends who’s dog did this. Vets couldn’t figure out what the problem was.

Then, it just stopped.

Hope for the best.

thanks.

198 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:54:29pm

re: #183 FemNaziBitch

Mo. lawmakers introduce ‘right to refuse service’ religious freedom bill

Republicans who support this, GTFO of this country.

199 urbanmeemaw  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:55:45pm

re: #136 lewisfrancis

I remember this being reported a few years ago. The technology would create personas who would populate comments on blogs.

Here’s a link to Guardian article from 2011:

theguardian.com

200 Lidane  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:57:50pm

re: #183 FemNaziBitch

Mo. lawmakers introduce ‘right to refuse service’ religious freedom bill

Which state will be the first to actually sign that Jim Crow shit into law? Which governor wants to be George Wallace 2.0 by confirming they’re a bigot?

201 Lidane  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:59:35pm

re: #187 FemNaziBitch

Pat Buchanan: Repeal All U.S. Civil Rights Laws
The right-wing pundit insists that racism is no longer an issue, and suggests segregating LGBT people in Arizona.

Please proceed.

202 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:00:14pm

re: #160 FemNaziBitch

I can’t imagine what she feels like. One breeder told us (thru the internet) that it is like getting hit in the head by a pro boxer (not the dog).

She seems to act like she thinks she has done something wrong. I just kept wiping her mouth with a cool cloth (lots of froth) and telling her she was a good girl.

I had a bordie mix who had seizures all his life (he lived to age 16).
I always sat on the floor stroking him and telling him it would be OK. Eventually, he could tell when a seizure was coming on and would come and lay on my feet so he would be close when it hit. A couple of the other dogs could also tell when a seizure was coming on and would lay down on either side of him.
Pheno worked well during his younger and middle years (although it was a real trial to get the correct dose so he wasn’t constantly dopey).
When he became an elder dog, the grand mals had long since ceased and it was only the petit mals so we stopped the pheno on the advice of our vet.

203 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:02:48pm

re: #199 urbanmeemaw

I remember this being reported a few years ago. The technology would create personas who would populate comments on blogs.

Here’s a link to Guardian article from 2011:

theguardian.com

Well, that answers the question of what they were going to use it for.

[…]

The Centcom contract stipulates that each fake online persona must have a convincing background, history and supporting details, and that up to 50 US-based controllers should be able to operate false identities from their workstations “without fear of being discovered by sophisticated adversaries”.

Centcom spokesman Commander Bill Speaks said: “The technology supports classified blogging activities on foreign-language websites to enable Centcom to counter violent extremist and enemy propaganda outside the US.”

He said none of the interventions would be in English, as it would be unlawful to “address US audiences” with such technology, and any English-language use of social media by Centcom was always clearly attributed. The languages in which the interventions are conducted include Arabic, Farsi, Urdu and Pashto.

Centcom said it was not targeting any US-based web sites, in English or any other language, and specifically said it was not targeting Facebook or Twitter.

[…]

204 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:03:42pm

Pat Buchanan: Repeal All U.S. Civil Rights Laws

“no irish need apply”

205 Skip Intro  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:04:42pm

re: #200 Lidane

Which state will be the first to actually sign that Jim Crow shit into law? Which governor wants to be George Wallace 2.0 by confirming they’re a bigot?

Aren’t these laws written so broadly that they could be used, for example, to deny medical services at hospitals with a religious affiliation to those who don’t subscribe to those same religious beliefs?

I only ask this because I recently had a procedure done at a facility run by Catholic Healthcare that was filled with crosses and religious icons. I was wondering if one of the pieces of paper I was required to sign would ask if I accepted Jesus Christ as my lord and savior.

206 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:05:05pm

Oh, noes! There will be fact checks
Barack Obama says Medicaid expansion has brought health care to 7 million who never had access before

Obama’s 7 million figure was a stretch even compared to his own administration’s 6.3 million figure. But more problematic is a disconnect between what he said and what the administration data is showing.

The administration’s 6.3 million figure includes a lot of the “churn” in Medicaid that has nothing to do with the new law’s Medicaid expansion, as well as new sign-ups of people who were previously eligible for Medicaid — and thus were not granted “access to health care for the first time because of Medicaid expansion,” in Obama’s words.

The actual number is estimated to be between one-seventh and two-fifths of what Obama said it was. We rate the claim False.

207 Swift2991  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:06:26pm

Is this likely to be used in any case where there were Americans involved? How about if you think about these tactics being used on an Islamist website which is used for recruitment? I’d say it’s okay. Probably pretty standard. I wish it was just a matter of religious freedom, but there’s suicide bombers ready to take big liberties with you.

Anybody have any evidence that this is happening in the US? It would be against the law, of course. They’re after a story they already believe is there: we’ve got a Stasi. They have shown nothing to back that up.

209 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:08:37pm

re: #198 Varek Raith

Republicans who support this, GTFO of this country.

Youtube Video

210 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:13:02pm
211 bratwurst  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:14:21pm
212 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:15:53pm

re: #187 FemNaziBitch

Broussard has all kinds of problems with the law itself — that it’s wrong to force people to buy insurance, that it will make businesses hire less. But there’s something else that bothers him: The law is the signature achievement of a man Broussard never wanted to see become president.

“I don’t vote for black people, lady,” he says. “No, ma’am. I don’t vote for black people. They got their place, I got my place. That’s the way I was raised.” - NPR Morning Edition story today about La. Sen. Mary Landrieu

I’m sorry, Pat. You were saying?

213 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:17:22pm
214 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:18:35pm

re: #212 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I’m sorry, Pat. You were saying?

wasn’t she the governor during Katrina?

Why is that name so familiar?

215 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:18:57pm
216 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:21:16pm

re: #214 FemNaziBitch

Her father was mayor of New Orleans, and she was Senator during Katrina, and was critical of the federal response. She’s a conservadem.

217 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:21:47pm

re: #216 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Her father was mayor of New Orleans, and she was Senator during Katrina, and was critical of the federal response. She’s a conservadem.

ah!

218 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:22:11pm

I finished book 5 and season three of the HBO show of GOT.

NOW WHAT AM I GOING TO DO?

219 Stanley Sea  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:23:11pm

I heard this story about Mary Landrieu today on NPR and this man spoke. Hearing it out loud, in someone’s voice was like a punch to the gut. We know it exists, we see proof every damn day. But to hear it out loud. Oh my.

It will take a lot more than a pot of white beans to get Broussard to vote for one particular candidate this November: Democratic Sen. Mary Landrieu. The dealbreaker for him was when she voted for the Affordable Care Act.

Broussard has all kinds of problems with the law itself — that it’s wrong to force people to buy insurance, that it will make businesses hire less. But there’s something else that bothers him: The law is the signature achievement of a man Broussard never wanted to see become president.

“I don’t vote for black people, lady,” he says. “No, ma’am. I don’t vote for black people. They got their place, I got my place. That’s the way I was raised.”

Broussard says Landrieu votes too much in line with the president’s agenda — he calls her “Obama Lady.” But he insists that he might still have voted for her this November if she hadn’t supported the Affordable Care Act, because he acknowledges Landrieu has helped the people of her state tremendously since she became a senator in 1997.

npr.org

220 Stanley Sea  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:24:04pm

re: #212 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I’m sorry, Pat. You were saying?

OMG Reverend. Psychic.

221 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:24:07pm

222 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:25:08pm

re: #206 Killgore Trout

So the problem they’ve got is not “7 million people now have health insurance” but “for the first time.”

And that gets ‘liar liar pants on fire’ ratings from these two organizations. Seems rather inconsistent with other things they’ve rated in the past.

223 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:25:24pm

I did not know this.

224 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:25:46pm

re: #24 FemNaziBitch

*HUGS*

225 jaunte  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:26:16pm

re: #218 FemNaziBitch

I finished book 5 and season three of the HBO show of GOT.

NOW WHAT AM I GOING TO DO?

2013 Nebula Nominees Announced

226 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:26:40pm

re: #200 Lidane

Which state will be the first to actually sign that Jim Crow shit into law? Which governor wants to be George Wallace 2.0 by confirming they’re a bigot?

dear bigot assholes,

george wallace declaring “segregation forever” was followed by the united states of america instituting a federal civil rights act very soon thereafter

any questions?

227 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:26:57pm

re: #206 Killgore Trout

Oh, noes! There will be fact checks
Barack Obama says Medicaid expansion has brought health care to 7 million who never had access before

I think PolitiFacts needs to be fact-checked itself.

In NC alone, there are approximately 6M people eligible for Medicaid who aren’t receiving it because the state income limit is much lower than that of ACA.

For instance, I’m not eligible for any Medicaid assistance in NC (which would be supplemental to Medicare) because my SS benefit is above the income limit—yet it is below the Federal poverty level for ACA.

228 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:27:51pm

re: #218 FemNaziBitch

I finished book 5 and season three of the HBO show of GOT.

NOW WHAT AM I GOING TO DO?

yanno i have the very same problem…

229 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:27:51pm

“Just a Flesh Wound”
posted February 25, 2014 by Miles O’Brien

I wish I had a better story to tell you about why I am typing this with one hand (and some help from Dragon Dictate).

A shark attack would be interesting. An assassination attempt would be intriguing. Skydiving mishaps always make for good copy. An out-of-control quad copter that turns on its master would be entertaining (and would come complete with a grim, potentially viral, video).

No, the reason I am now one-handed is a little more prosaic than those scenarios…

230 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:28:18pm

re: #208 Killgore Trout

Obama’s claim that 7 million got ‘access to health care for the first time’ because of his Medicaid expansion

The Fact Checker has written several times about the fuzziness of the Medicaid numbers issued by the Obama administration. But it is like playing whack-a-mole. Every time we rap someone for getting it wrong, the same problem pops up someplace else.

Whack-a-mole?

231 Skip Intro  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:29:15pm

re: #218 FemNaziBitch

I finished book 5 and season three of the HBO show of GOT.

NOW WHAT AM I GOING TO DO?

Watch House of Cards?

232 Stanley Sea  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:29:18pm

re: #218 FemNaziBitch

I finished book 5 and season three of the HBO show of GOT.

NOW WHAT AM I GOING TO DO?

I just bought Dr. Sleep. So far, so great.

233 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:31:04pm

re: #225 jaunte

2013 Nebula Nominees Announced

Ok, I”m going to try the Golem and the Jinni

234 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:31:22pm

re: #227 Justanotherhuman

I think PolitiFacts needs to be fact-checked itself.

In NC alone, there are approximately 6M people eligible for Medicaid who aren’t receiving it because the state income limit is much lower than that of ACA.

For instance, I’m not eligible for any Medicaid assistance in NC (which would be supplemental to Medicare) because my SS benefit is above the income limit—yet it is below the Federal poverty level for ACA.

I keep seeing twits that say it’s 4M

235 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:32:28pm

re: #226 dog philosopher

dear bigot assholes,

george wallace declaring “segregation forever” was followed by the united states of america instituting a federal civil rights act very soon thereafter

any questions?

HURR HURR!!!! WALLACE WAS A DEMOCRAT!!!!!!!!!!

236 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:32:29pm

Miles O’Brien lost his arm. Amputated after a seemingly insignificant accident that turned into compartment syndrome.

237 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:33:23pm
238 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:33:54pm

re: #77 Gus

“If enough people responds to a diner not allowing blacks to eat at lunch counters then that diner will go out of business!”

The anarchists, I mean libertarians, never ask, “What if it increases business at the diner because people know there will be no blahs there?”

But then the anarchists, I mean libertarians, never ask questions because they already know all the answers.

239 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:35:20pm

re: #220 Stanley Sea

I almost drove off the road when I heard him say that. WTF Louisiana?

240 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:37:25pm

re: #236 Gus

Miles O’Brien lost his arm. Amputated after a seemingly insignificant accident that turned into compartment syndrome.

This is why….


How’s your ankle?

241 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:38:53pm

re: #240 wrenchwench

This is why….

How’s your ankle?

Meh. All screwed up but the knee is the worse of it. Drink! Oops, wait. I quit. Looking forward to summer and hot weather. :D

242 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:39:04pm

re: #236 Gus

Miles O’Brien lost his arm. Amputated after a seemingly insignificant accident that turned into compartment syndrome.

Damn! That is terrible.

243 Stanley Sea  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:39:24pm

re: #238 Romantic Heretic

The anarchists, I mean libertarians, never ask, “What if it increases business at the diner because people know there will be no blahs there?”

But then the anarchists, I mean libertarians, never ask questions because they already know all the answers.

See Paula Deen and Chick Filet’s increase in business after their respective bigotry was exposed.

244 Stanley Sea  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:39:41pm

re: #239 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I almost drove off the road when I heard him say that. WTF Louisiana?

Yep. Stuck with me all day.

245 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:40:03pm
246 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:40:36pm

re: #242 Justanotherhuman

Damn! That is terrible.

Yep. Just like that. Poof. Gone. Just from having some equipment fall on his arm.

247 BongCrodny  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:42:06pm

re: #232 Stanley Sea

I just bought Dr. Sleep. So far, so great.

If you’re looking for another good read when you’re finished Dr. Sleep, try Joe Hill’s NOS4A2. Hill is Stephen King’s son, and if you read the two one after the other, you can see the influence King had on his son’s writing.

248 Stanley Sea  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:43:01pm

re: #247 BongCrodny

If you’re looking for another good read when you’re finished Dr. Sleep, try Joe Hill’s NOS4A2. Hill is Stephen King’s son, and if you read the two one after the other, you can see the influence King had on his son’s writing.

Nice! Thanks. I think I follow him on twitter.

249 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:43:31pm

re: #229 Gus

“Just a Flesh Wound”
posted February 25, 2014 by Miles O’Brien

Awful story. I really feel for the poor guy.

250 GeneJockey  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:44:00pm

re: #231 Skip Intro

Watch House of Cards?

Check!

But at the rate we’re consuming them, Mrs. Jockey and I will be through them by Friday. Saturday at the latest.

And Downton Abbey’s done for this year, and Mad Men hasn’t started. Boardwalk Empire is just a glimmer in the future.

251 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:44:55pm

re: #243 Stanley Sea

See Paula Deen and Chick Filet’s increase in business after their respective bigotry was exposed.

i suggested segregating segregationists in a special part of the country where they can hand out with others of their kind and not have their precious bodily fluids corrupted by the presence of people they don’t like

i’m sure they would find many employers willing to hire them without odious impositions such as the minimum wage or workplace protection laws (i don’t even dare mention unions), and let them buy their own health insurance, in a perfect free market utopia orgasmatron

252 GeneJockey  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:45:41pm

re: #246 Gus

Yep. Just like that. Poof. Gone. Just from having some equipment fall on his arm.

It’s shit like that that reminds me that life is all just random shit that happens.

253 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:46:37pm

I actually knew someone else who had that kind of injury - luckily they were able to treat it before he needed amputation. A roadie who got his leg caught between road cases during a load-out.

254 Gus  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:46:51pm

re: #249 Charles Johnson

Awful story. I really feel for the poor guy.

Very unnerving. BP dropped during surgery. Could have died.

255 prairiefire  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:47:17pm

re: #250 GeneJockey

Check!

But at the rate we’re consuming them, Mrs. Jockey and I will be through them by Friday. Saturday at the latest.

And Downton Abbey’s done for this year, and Mad Men hasn’t started. Boardwalk Empire is just a glimmer in the future.

Have you seen “True Detective” on HBO with Woody Harrelson And Mathew McConawhatever. So Damn Good! Two episodes left. It should be on demand.

256 GeneJockey  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:48:09pm

re: #255 prairiefire

Have you seen “True Detective” on HBO with Woody Harrelson And Mathew McConawhatever. So Damn Good! Two episodes left. It should be on demand.

Is it as dark and creepy as the promos suggest?

257 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:48:27pm

re: #229 Gus

“Just a Flesh Wound”
posted February 25, 2014 by Miles O’Brien

what a crummy break - hope he can manage well with it

258 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:50:03pm

re: #205 Skip Intro

Aren’t these laws written so broadly that they could be used, for example, to deny medical services at hospitals with a religious affiliation to those who don’t subscribe to those same religious beliefs?

I only ask this because I recently had a procedure done at a facility run by Catholic Healthcare that was filled with crosses and religious icons. I was wondering if one of the pieces of paper I was required to sign would ask if I accepted Jesus Christ as my lord and savior.

No, but you might develop a strong craving for flounder towards the weekend.

259 GeneJockey  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:51:30pm

re: #212 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I’m sorry, Pat. You were saying?

Ya know, I’d think it would be obvious that a member of the dominant culture is not really the best equipped to determine whether there is discrimination against those who differ from it. This is just like, “Our niggrahs wuz happy, till them NOOO YORK JOOZ came down here and riled ‘em up!”

260 prairiefire  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:57:48pm

re: #256 GeneJockey

Is it as dark and creepy as the promos suggest?

It’s not as creepy serial killer creepy, although that’s there. The writing is very, very good.
Mathew is the existential, smart cop. Woody is a flawed, hard nosed cop detective. Their acting in their scenes together are incredible.
A writing example ~ Mathew’s character says “there are women and children dying all along the coast.” (LA) Further water references in that episode “river rats”, “Marshland Madea”, “it was like he was calling to her from the water”.
Cop, mystery procedural, the relationship between two very different men.
You can see I love it.

261 Skip Intro  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 5:59:34pm

re: #250 GeneJockey

Check!

But at the rate we’re consuming them, Mrs. Jockey and I will be through them by Friday. Saturday at the latest.

And Downton Abbey’s done for this year, and Mad Men hasn’t started. Boardwalk Empire is just a glimmer in the future.

You could always re-watch Breaking Bad from the beginning. Netflix now has the entire series available.

But, like you, I’m out of things to watch that I haven’t already seen.

Bummer.

262 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:01:24pm

re: #218 FemNaziBitch

I finished book 5 and season three of the HBO show of GOT.

NOW WHAT AM I GOING TO DO?

Try Harry Dresden.

263 Skip Intro  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:02:37pm

re: #258 Decatur Deb

No, but you might develop a strong craving for flounder towards the weekend.

Not me. I only do outpatient stuff. I got trapped in a hospital overnight just one time in the last 30 years. All I remember is an intern waking me up around 2:30 am asking me if I wanted to be resuscitated.

264 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:09:17pm


RTFT

retweeted for truth

265 teresa  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 6:19:56pm

I admire anyone who can read through those droning Kaczynski like treatises.

266 jonhendry  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:43:43pm

re: #136 lewisfrancis

“You tell me what the USAF was going to use this for
Read more at littlegreenfootballs.com

Probably for participating on jihadi forums, to see things like talk about attacks on bases and such.

267 jonhendry  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:45:45pm

re: #143 dog philosopher

“i would think that an obvious error like that would be caught in code review”

I’ve seen speculation that it was introduced by a code merge. That could happen without being adequately reviewed afterward.

268 jonhendry  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 10:51:15pm

re: #150 lewisfrancis

Yup, thanks, and I’m guessing its deployed by now. Again, dunno if Greenwald knows more than he’s providing evidence for, but it seems not much of a leap to assume that such a tool would be useful to an organization that may choose to “Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations” in order to achieve it’s mission.

The question is, who is the target? What is described is a tactic. The existence of a tactic doesn’t imply that it’s being used against everyone possible.

Frankly I’ve no problem if they’re infiltrating jihadi forums and destroying the reputations of people trying to recruit people.

In fact, I seem to recall Greenwald getting upset earlier about a document that suggested the NSA was spying on the porn habits of Muslim radicals.

269 jonhendry  Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:00:43pm

re: #165 FemNaziBitch

Since thimerosal was dropped years and years ago from most vaccines, I’m not sure why it’s relevant.

270 BusyMonster  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 9:53:57am

re: #27 RadicalModerate

Yes, the Alex Jones and Ron Paul fans really are this stupid.

‘Obama Assassination’ Cartoon Prompts Secret Service Visit (cached link)

They are actually surprised that the US Secret Service has a problem with this.

So the Dudebros are now joining the Birthers in the credibility department. It’s just hate Obama day for them.


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