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NSA Watchdog: Snowden Should Have Come to Me

There is honesty and value in working within the system
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But the system has nothing to satisfy one’s self indulgence and ego, does it? Who are really whistle blowers that deserve respect? Let me name a few.

My #1 favorite is Frank Serpico.

Then two other notables-
W. Mark Felt aka Deepthroat.

Cathy Massiter

These are true whistle blowers. Ed Snowden just blows.

Readers could surely add their own to the list, there have been so many. All of them stand head and shoulders above Edward Snowden. A wiki link.

The National Security Agency’s top watchdog slammed Edward Snowden on Tuesday for failing to follow official protocol in relaying his concerns about wayward intelligence gathering and also faulted Congress for not vetting the details of post-9/11 surveillance programs.

“Snowden could have come to me,” George Ellard, the NSA’s inspector general, said during a panel discussion hosted by the Georgetown University Law Center.

Ellard, making his first public comments in seven years working for NSA, insisted that Snowden would have been given the same protections available to other employees who file approximately 1,000 complaints per year on the agency’s hotline system.

“We have surprising success in resolving the complaints that are brought to us,” he said.

More: NSA Watchdog: Snowden Should Have Come to Me - Darren Samuelsohn

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286 comments

1 Kragar  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:02:15am

Work inside the system to make sure it works properly and not expose national security secrets to hostile foreign powers?

NO WAY, DUDER!
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2 Dr. Matt  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:02:57am

Snowden and GG were more concerned about becoming dudebro celebrities.

3 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:03:17am

re: #1 Kragar

Work inside the system to make sure it works properly and not expose national security secrets to hostile foreign powers?

NO WAY, DUDER!
///

That would have been hard work. And not ego-gratifying, either.

4 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:03:19am

This is a frustrating story because they should have been out there in public saying this from the freaking start of this debacle.

Greenwald has completely poisoned the well with his claims that Snowden had no way to “blow the whistle” without stealing everything he could.

5 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:04:02am

Snowden was never interested in “whistleblowing” and “expressing legitimate concerns.” He just grabbed a bunch of random classified files like Glenn Greenwald told him to do because….

1. Steal classified data
2. ?????
3. PROFIT!!!!

6 Kragar  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:05:43am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

This is a frustrating story because they should have been out there in public saying this from the freaking start of this debacle.

Greenwald has completely poisoned the well with his claims that Snowden had no way to “blow the whistle” without stealing everything he could.

Even if he didn’t trust the NSA, he couldn’t have gone to a Senator or a Congressman? He thought someone like Paul wouldn’t go after the NSA with his libertarian horseshit?

7 b.d.  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:06:12am

I HAVE ALL OF THIS QUESTIONABLE MATERIAL THAT I GOT BY GOING AND MY SWORN OATH AND BY USING OTHER PEOPLE’S PASSWORDS AND STUFF, CAN YOU HELP ME OUT HERE?

8 Kragar  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:07:06am

re: #5 Pie-onist Overlord

Snowden was never interested in “whistleblowing” and “expressing legitimate concerns.” He just grabbed a bunch of random classified files like Glenn Greenwald told him to do because….

1. Steal classified data
2. ?????
3. PROFIT!!!!

His Russian adventure is just a pit stop on his way to his new life of hookers and blow, just like he was promised.

9 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:08:30am

What took the IG so long to make what is blindingly obvious to anyone with a functioning neuron? It would have defused all the nonsense about how Snowden’s some kind of hero for releasing all kinds of classified details about NSA spycraft, operations, plans, relationships, etc.

10 b.d.  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:08:38am

re: #6 Kragar

Even if he didn’t trust the NSA, he couldn’t have gone to a Senator or a Congressman? He thought someone like Paul wouldn’t go after the NSA with his libertarian horseshit?

Wyden. That happens to be one hell of a coincidence that he asked that question of Clapper just days before the story broke and not one of the 1,000 times he had grilled him previously.

11 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:09:40am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

This is a frustrating story because they should have been out there in public saying this from the freaking start of this debacle.

Greenwald has completely poisoned the well with his claims that Snowden had no way to “blow the whistle” without stealing everything he could.

I do find myself wondering if they had indications when this all first blew up that Snowden was on a foreign intel agency’s payroll.

12 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:10:31am

re: #9 lawhawk

What took the IG so long to make what is blindingly obvious to anyone with a functioning neuron?

Maybe nobody asked him?

13 klys  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:10:31am

I’m sure Snowden had no ulterior motive to go to someone else. No connections. No plans.

That’s why he just fled to Hong Kong and then Russia. Because he had no idea what to do.

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14 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:13:37am

re: #13 klys

I’m sure Snowden had no ulterior motive to go to someone else. No connections. No plans.

That’s why he just fled to Hong Kong and then Russia. Because he had no idea what to do.

///

He knew what to do. Poitras and Greenwald had already told him.

15 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:14:13am
16 Weet  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:14:49am

Sowdum wanted to be famous. He tried modeling, but that didn’t work out.

He’s the genius, gorgeous savior of mankind, doncha know. He deserves to be rich and famous.

And fuck your social security.

“Cut this social security bullshit. Somehow, our society managed to make it hundreds of years without social security just fine. You fucking retards.
Magically the world changed after the new deal, and old people became made of glass. [The elderly] wouldn’t be fucking helpless if you weren’t sending them fucking checks to sit on their ass and lay in hospitals all day.”

(I know it’s been reported before, but make sure you read this:)
A 1/19/14 New Republic Article

17 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:15:06am

His bosses at the FSB would not have been happy if he’d gone to the Watchdog though.

18 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:15:12am
19 BusyMonster  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:16:04am

re: #5 Pie-onist Overlord

Snowden was never interested in “whistleblowing” and “expressing legitimate concerns.” He just grabbed a bunch of random classified files like Glenn Greenwald the Russian FSB told him to do because….

he’s a useful idiot

Fixed.

20 BusyMonster  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:17:24am

re: #16 Weet

Sowdum wanted to be famous. He tried modeling, but that didn’t work out.

He’s the genius, gorgeous savior of mankind, doncha know. He deserves to be rich and famous.

And fuck your social security.

“Cut this social security bullshit. Somehow, our society managed to make it hundreds of years without social security just fine. You fucking retards.
Magically the world changed after the new deal, and old people became made of glass. [The elderly] wouldn’t be fucking helpless if you weren’t sending them fucking checks to sit on their ass and lay in hospitals all day.”

(I know it’s been reported before, but make sure you read this:)
A 1/19/14 New Republic Article

Wow. So Snowden isn’t exactly an intellectual giant is he? Maybe the little shit should go back to school and do some remedial history.

21 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:18:49am

re: #20 BusyMonster

Uh, you need to read something.

littlegreenfootballs.com

22 Gus  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:18:56am
23 jaunte  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:20:49am

re: #22 Gus

“A common national identity”

Where have I heard that before?

24 Kragar  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:21:30am

re: #15 Charles Johnson

25 jaunte  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:23:50am

re: #24 Kragar

“If you don’t know who Hale is, well, he’s a pretty famous white suprema­cist who is cur­rently serv­ing 40 years for solic­it­ing the mur­der of a fed­eral judge who ruled against him in a trade­mark case. Who put him away? Patrick Fitzger­ald. (Yes. And Mr. Green­wald got an FBI visit regard­ing the pass­ing of coded mes­sages by Hale while under SAMS restrictions.)”

Key passage reading service for Mona Holland.

26 Gus  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:23:53am

re: #23 jaunte

Where have I heard that before?

For the fatherland! //

27 Political Atheist  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:24:08am

I would add if I could a short list of real heroic whistle blowers. the kind of people that put the lie to that claim for Snowden.

My #1 favorite is Frank Serpico.

Then two other notables-
W. Mark Felt aka Deepthroat.

Cathy Massiter

These are true whistle blowers. Ed Snowden just blows.

Charles do you mind if I edit this into just below the subtitle? I should have had this in to begin with.

28 Kragar  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:24:18am

“Documented”

I hate that I can’t go back and edit that.”

29 Kragar  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:24:33am

re: #25 jaunte

Key passage reading service for Mona Holland.

LIBEL!
///

30 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:24:53am

re: #27 Political Atheist

I would add if I could a short list of real heroice whistle blowers. the kind of people that put the lie tio that claim for Snowden.

My #1 favorite is Frank Serpico.

Then a few other notables-
W. Mark Felt aka Deepthroat.

Cathy Massiter

These are true whistle blowers. Ed Snowden just blows.

Charles do you mind if I edit this into just below the subtitle? I should have had this in to begin with.

Edit away.

31 b.d.  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:25:03am

People aren’t allowed to change views they had years ago!!!

“Those people should be shot in the balls,” Snowden apparently said of leakers in a January 2009 chat.

washingtonpost.com

32 Kragar  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:26:27am

re: #31 b.d.

People aren’t allowed to change views they had years ago!!!

washingtonpost.com

Snowden would be safe in any event.

33 b.d.  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:26:50am

Snowden, long after Mr. Johnson changed his views….

But “VIOLATING NATIONAL SECURITY? no. That s—- is classified for a reason. It’s not because ‘oh we hope our citizens don’t find out.’ It’s because ‘this s—- won’t work if iran knows what we’re doing.’”

34 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:26:50am

It’s not just Snowden’s failure to ‘start the conversation’ about privacy and the NSA without committing serious crimes. It’s the failure of every journalist and activist who thought the conversation should be started. If they think Snowden is a hero for accomplishing this. they are using him as their human stepping stone every time they use the stuff he stole.

Not just a failure of the journalists and activists, either. Why couldn’t Wyden and Udall and Luap Dnar do anything without a leak?

They are excusing their own failings by pointing to Snowden’s theft.

35 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:27:19am

re: #28 Kragar

“Documented”

I hate that I can’t go back and edit that.”

I am disappoint.

36 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:27:59am

re: #25 jaunte

Key passage reading service for Mona Holland.

If you Google “drooling sycophant” Mona Holland’s picture will come up.

37 Gus  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:28:21am

Since they like to bring up Bush a lot.

38 Kragar  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:28:36am

And now, for our main event…

39 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:28:57am

HURR HURR!!!!
HURR HURR!!!!1 HURRR!!!!!1!!!

40 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:29:03am

re: #36 Pie-onist Overlord

If you Google “drooling sycophant” Mona Holland’s picture will come up.

No Crocs, though, I’ll bet.

41 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:30:05am

re: #40 wrenchwench

No Crocs, though, I’ll bet.

Nope. They have all evolved into Crocoducks, leaving the standard Croc extinct.
//

42 jaunte  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:30:18am

re: #38 Kragar

A stay has been issued for a continued bout of whining.

43 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:31:13am

“fully jointed”…I bet!

44 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:34:22am
45 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:34:33am

re: #38 Kragar

And now, for our main event…

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And boom goes the dynamite.

46 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:35:03am

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

“fully jointed”…I bet!

[Embedded content]

Looks like Chucky but with longer hair and no overralls.

47 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:36:26am

re: #38 Kragar

And now, for our main event…


And how quickly before Texas rushes to try and enact the same anti-gay discrimination law that Arizona is currently mulling (despite businesses demanding it be vetoed for fear of economic loss). I give the TX GOP hours before they start pushing that nonsense.

48 Kragar  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:36:53am
49 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:38:05am

re: #38 Kragar

And now, for our main event…

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50 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:38:07am
51 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:39:25am


Stayed pending appeal. So no one will be able to rush to the courthouse to get married just yet.

And yet, my marriage is not affected one iota by granting a couple the right to be married. Still unchanged. Strong as ever.

52 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:40:23am
53 chadu  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:40:30am

re: #9 lawhawk

What took the IG so long to make what is blindingly obvious to anyone with a functioning neuron? It would have defused all the nonsense about how Snowden’s some kind of hero for releasing all kinds of classified details about NSA spycraft, operations, plans, relationships, etc.

In my opinion?

Calm, rational people who have taken the time to learn/understand the system and work with it think it’s blindingly obvious, but the majority of people:
1. Aren’t calm.
2. Aren’t rational.
3. Aren’t willing to take the time.
4. Aren’t willing to learn or understand.
5. Don’t trust the system.
6. Some combination of 1-5.

54 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:40:55am

re: #47 lawhawk

And how quickly before Texas rushes to try and enact the same anti-gay discrimination law that Arizona is currently mulling (despite businesses demanding it be vetoed for fear of economic loss). I give the TX GOP hours before they start pushing that nonsense.

You know, for Texas to risk economic boycotts due to passing a law like that is something they might not consider harmful. The cities (Houston, Austin, Dallas, San Antonio) that host those events and conventions are the more liberal bastions of the state.

For Arizona everything is pretty much around Phoenix and to a much lesser extent Tucson. If you hit the Phoenix area you’ve pretty much hit half the population of the state.

55 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:42:33am
56 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:42:40am

Mona is indignant. INDIGNANT!!! HOW DARE YOU!!!!!!!!

57 chadu  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:43:01am

re: #12 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Maybe nobody asked him?

That’s actually a serious concern — a lot of my friends with security clearances won’t volunteer an opinion on various things, but will give their (measured) opinion if asked.

That’s often something people outside the Beltway have trouble grokking, I’ve come to see.

Never mind, Jake. It’s DC.

58 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:43:21am
59 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:43:53am

HURR HURR HURRRRRR!!!!!!!!

60 Gus  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:45:06am

Was kind of a BS ruling. Final paragraphs:

We also agree with the magistrate judge’s reference to the Illinois Eavesdropping Act in applying Rule 83.54.4. Contrary to defendants’ assertion, the magistrate judge did not apply the statute to counsel directly. Rather, he properly used it to construe the court’s rules, to which counsel is indisputably subject.

The magistrate judge’s reasoning, once again, is sound. By appearing pro hoc vice, counsel agrees to familiarize himself with and abide by local rules and local law, including substantive law. Regardless of whether this statute is directly applicable to out-of-state recordings, it provides a reference point for what rights must be respected by attorneys practicing here.1 Illinois has conferred on its citizens a right not to be recorded without their consent. Because surreptitiously recording conversations violates a right recognized in this jurisdiction, attorneys appearing before this court may not do so. We also agree with Magistrate Judge Ashman’s analysis of the importance of a level playing field. This court’s rules must apply uniformly to all attorneys appearing here, regardless of their offices’ location. To permit otherwise is not only illogical, but would interfere with the fair administration of justice, in general, and undermine the purpose of the work product doctrine, in particular.

Given the rhetoric in the papers filed with respect to this difficult ethical question, we wish to clarify one last matter. We are applying rules here, not judging character. As the magistrate judge noted, although ultimately unsuccessful, defendants’ arguments were reasonable. Defense counsel could have reasonably believed that his conduct was permissible. Although we find that his conduct did violate the rules, our rejection of his position does not equate to an indictment as an unethical person.

However ending with:

For the foregoing reasons, defendants’ objections are overruled. Per the magistrate judge’s order, they must cease the practice of recording witnesses without consent and disclose any recordings currently in their possession.

61 Kragar  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:45:52am
62 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:46:05am
63 Gus  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:47:24am

“I find that the people behind these lawsuits are truly so odious and repugnant, that creates its own motivation for me.”

64 Gus  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:49:32am

Further, Greenwald said, “I find that the people behind these lawsuits are truly so odious and repugnant, that creates its own motivation for me.”

The first suit, filed in state court by Chicago attorney Michael Ian Bender on behalf of two Orthodox Jewish teens shot at in Rogers Park, is pending, though a circuit judge in Chicago threw out allegations that Smith’s parents were somehow responsible for the shootings.

65 Gus  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:51:01am
66 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:51:24am

re: #60 Gus

That last paragraph doesn’t change the fact that Greenwald violated the rules and his professional conduct was ruled unethical:

The magistrate judge granted both motions, finding defense counsel’s conduct unethical under two separate rules: Local Rule 83.58.4(a)(4), prohibiting “dishonesty, fraud, deceit or misrepresentation;” and Local Rule 83.54.4, stating “a lawyer shall not … use methods of obtaining evidence that violate the legal rights of [another] person.”

67 Gus  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:53:32am

re: #66 Charles Johnson

That last paragraph doesn’t change the fact that Greenwald violated the rules and his professional conduct was ruled unethical:

NY City 80-95 and 95-10 are modified. A lawyer may tape a conversation without disclosure of that fact to all participants if the lawyer has a reasonable basis for believing that disclosure of the taping would significantly impair pursuit of a generally accepted societal good. However, undisclosed taping entails a sufficient lack of candor and a sufficient element of trickery as to render it ethically impermissible as a routine practice.

UNDISCLOSED TAPING OF CONVERSATIONS BY LAWYERS

68 jaunte  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:53:57am

Judge found his conduct unethical, but declined to find him unethical.
Hair: split.

69 jaunte  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:54:17am

“Per the magistrate judge’s order, they must cease the practice of recording witnesses without consent and disclose any recordings currently in their possession.”

70 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:55:24am

I was under the impression that pro bono work is usually taken on because a lawyer believes in a case, that it’s something lawyers do apart from their professional duty to defend clients regardless of their disgusting personal attributes. Is that wrong? Lawhawk?

71 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:56:19am

re: #68 jaunte

Found him unethical, just not in the stealing from the client’s escrow kind of unethical. The latter will get you booted from the profession. The former? It should have gotten him sanctioned, but didn’t here because the judge decided to be lenient.

Nuts.

The decision found him engaging in unethical conduct. Period. There’s no weaseling out of the language.

The magistrate judge granted both motions, finding defense counsel’s conduct unethical under two separate rules: Local Rule 83.58.4(a)(4), prohibiting “dishonesty, fraud, deceit or misrepresentation;” and Local Rule 83.54.4, stating “a lawyer shall not … use methods of obtaining evidence that violate the legal rights of [another] person.”

72 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:56:54am

Mona Holland is such a fucking tool. It’s hard to believe she’s not a Glenn sockpuppet. What does she get out of this ass kissing, exactly?

73 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 11:59:30am

Any questions? Do you know who was President in 2005?

74 chadu  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:00:04pm

re: #49 Targetpractice

75 Kragar  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:01:41pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

I was under the impression that pro bono work is usually taken on because a lawyer believes in a case, that it’s something lawyers do apart from their professional duty to defend clients regardless of their disgusting personal attributes. Is that wrong? Lawhawk?


How Glenn Greenwald Became Glenn Greenwald

Greenwald also spent roughly five years defending the First Amendment rights of neo-Nazis, including Matthew Hale, the “Pontifex Maximus” of the Illinois church formerly known as the World Church of the Creator, one of whose disciples went on a murderous spree in 1999.

“I almost always did it pro bono,” Greenwald said. “I was interested in defending political principles that I believed in. I didn’t even care about making money anymore.”

76 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:02:28pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

Lawyers can take on pro bono for any number of reasons:

to fulfill their obligations to the state bar to provide legal assistance (the ABA recommends 50 hours annually, state bars can set their own levels);
to assist underserved populations;
aid individuals or groups in times of crisis - like helping victims after 9/11 or natural disasters navigate claims’ processes; or
providing assistance to a client because they believe in a cause.

There is sometimes an overlap between the reasons, and a lawyer might take on a case at a free/reduced rate to raise their own profile or because they believe in a specific injustice being committed - like a free speech concern.

77 Gus  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:04:34pm


On certain issues, though, his prose was suffused with right-wing conceits and catchphrases. One example was immigration, on which Greenwald then held surprisingly hard-line views. “The parade of evils caused by illegal immigration is widely known,” Greenwald wrote in 2005. The facts, to him, were indisputable: “illegal immigration wreaks havoc economically, socially, and culturally; makes a mockery of the rule of law; and is disgraceful just on basic fairness grounds alone.” Defending the nativist congressman Tom Tancredo from charges of racism, Greenwald wrote of “unmanageably endless hordes of people [who] pour over the border in numbers far too large to assimilate, and who consequently have no need, motivation or ability to assimilate.” Those hordes, Greenwald wrote, posed a threat to “middle-class suburban voters.”

Greenwald has since reversed his position and renounced the post about the “parade of evils.” (In his characteristically combative way, though, he blamed the recent rediscovery of his immigration writing on “Obama cultists” out to discredit him.) He ascribes that particular outburst to callow ignorance—a rather inadequate defense of remarks made by a seasoned 38-year-old New York lawyer.

By this point, Greenwald had come to reside in a peculiar corner of the political forest, where the far left meets the far right, often but not always under the rubric of libertarianism. He held positions that appealed to either end of the political spectrum, attacking, for example, U.S. foreign policy as a bipartisan projection of empire. Like most of his writings, his critique of America abroad was congenial both to the isolationist paleo-Right and to post-New Left anti-imperialists. His social liberalism struck an individualist chord pleasing to right-wing libertarians as well as left-wing activists. Greenwald began to envisage bringing these groups together—to dissolve the usual lines of political loyalty and unite the anti-imperialists and civil-liberties activists on the left with the paleoconservatives and free-market libertarians on the right—in a popular front against the establishment alliance of mainstream center-left liberals and neoconservatives….

78 chadu  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:05:07pm

re: #62 Charles Johnson

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(klaxon)

“Captain, we’re reading a potential epistemic bubble collapse in sector #62.”

79 Gus  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:05:34pm

save money? cut this social security bullshit

hahahayes

Yeah! Fuck old people!

social security is bullshit

let’s just toss old people out in the street

Old people could move in with [User11].

NOOO

they smell funny

Somehow, our society managed to make it hundreds of years without social security just fine

you fucking retards

Magically the world changed after the new deal, and old people became made of glass.

Later in the same session, Snowden wrote that the elderly “wouldn’t be fucking helpless if you weren’t sending them fucking checks to sit on their ass and lay in hospitals all day.”

Snowden’s disgruntlement with Obama, in other words, was fueled by a deep disdain for progressive policies. The available postings by TheTrueHOOHA do show concerns about society’s “unquestioning obedience to spooky types,” but those date to 2010. Contrary to his claims, he seems to have become an anti-secrecy activist only after the White House was won by a liberal Democrat who, in most ways, represented everything that a right-wing Ron Paul admirer would have detested.

80 chadu  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:06:40pm

re: #68 jaunte

Judge found his conduct unethical, but declined to find him unethical.
Hair: split.

Would this be translated from legalese as “If you were a local lawyer, you’d be up in front of the bar right now, bucko”?

81 chadu  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:08:27pm

re: #73 Pie-onist Overlord

Any questions? Do you know who was President in 2005?

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I know! Obama, because he’s a Time Lord.

PRO TIP: Obama’s been all the Presidents (that did stuff you don’t like now; the ones who did stuff you like, wasn’t him)!

82 Gus  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:09:14pm

Snowden wrote that the elderly “wouldn’t be fucking helpless if you weren’t sending them fucking checks to sit on their ass and lay in hospitals all day.”

83 chadu  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:10:14pm

re: #82 Gus

Snowden wrote that the elderly “wouldn’t be fucking helpless if you weren’t sending them fucking checks to sit on their ass and lay in hospitals all day.”

He sounds nice. /

84 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:11:19pm

re: #82 Gus

Snowden wrote that the elderly “wouldn’t be fucking helpless if you weren’t sending them fucking checks to sit on their ass and lay in hospitals all day.”

Now he’s living in an old Soviet-era apartment block surrounded by a bunch of Russians who fought in the Great Patriotic War (what the Soviets called WW2).

85 Kragar  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:11:22pm
86 dog philosopher  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:11:59pm

Somehow, our society managed to make it hundreds of years without social security just fine

ignorant people are the most confident they know everything #238,869

87 Dr. Matt  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:12:18pm

Lots of clapping GIFs today. I’ll join the fray:

Busey

88 urbanmeemaw  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:15:27pm

re: #5 Pie-onist Overlord
I agree with you, PO, but I think there is more going on here.
I believe the objective was the undermining of the US government and business, the cherry on the top being an African American president at the helm of said government. I’ve wondered since Day 1 why they waited until Obama was elected. The NSA has been around since 1952. Patriot Act and its egregious provisions were passed in 2001. The Bush administration tried to circumvent existing laws several times. But now, wait! The NSA is a problem!!! The Mainslime Media seem to just accept the script without challenge; why are the media not calling out that the “revelations” have involved documents that have nothing to do with the stated concern, i.e., “spying on American citizens”. This whole thing is an exercise in rodent procreation and while egos and greed are involved, I believe there is another agenda as well.

89 Kragar  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:16:30pm

re: #87 Dr. Matt

All the GIF I want to load are more than 500k

90 chadu  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:18:31pm

re: #85 Kragar

#VoteHarder

I preferred #VoteHard2: Electric Boogaloo.

91 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:19:50pm

HURR HURR!!!!!

92 chadu  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:19:59pm
93 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:21:28pm

re: #91 Pie-onist Overlord

When you think about what a ‘teabagger’ does

Do these people never stop thinking about what other people do without clothes on?

94 chadu  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:22:19pm

re: #91 Pie-onist Overlord

DARVO.

They were calling themselves “teabaggers” on Day One, and were proud of it… until they found the sex-slang connotation.

95 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:23:04pm

oooh, I can barely wait for this!

96 Dr. Matt  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:23:47pm
Texas Gay Marriage Ban Ruled Unconstitutional By Federal Judge

U.S. District Judge Orlando Garcia ruled Wednesday that Texas’ ban on same-sex marriage is unconstitutional.

Gay marriage and a Judge with a Spanish-sounding name….this should send the wing-nuts in utter hysteria.

97 GunstarGreen  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:24:28pm

re: #91 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!!

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And there you have it: Admission from an RWNJ that “Humans that perform sexual acts that squick me personally” are worse than “Sub-human mongrels”.

I don’t think they really thought that one through.

98 Gus  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:24:33pm

That Billmon1 guy can go fuck himself 12 times over.

99 dog philosopher  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:25:26pm

re: #91 Pie-onist Overlord

When you think about what a ‘teabagger’ does

ok, i’ll just refer to you as ‘prize morons’

better?

100 Dr. Matt  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:25:38pm

re: #94 chadu

They were calling themselves “teabaggers” on Day One, and were proud of it… until they found the sex-slang connotation.

Fox News: Score One for the Tea Baggers

Breitbart: I am proud to be a tea bagger

101 Kragar  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:28:03pm

I’VE GOT DUDEBROS!

102 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:28:05pm

re: #98 Gus

Blocked him long ago and put him in the TweetDeck global filter. There’s just no point with assholes like that.

103 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:28:56pm

re: #101 Kragar

I love his “FUCK THE SYSTEM” Twitter background. Edgy.

104 b.d.  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:29:11pm

re: #100 Dr. Matt

Fox News: Score One for the Tea Baggers

Breitbart: I am proud to be a tea bagger

Oy!

Those who bagged the baggers now bagged themselves.

If I could do that, I’d never leave the house!

Thanky ou, I’ll be here all week!

105 EPR-radar  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:29:12pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

For my part, this paragraph from the judge’s opinion is the most interesting (emphasis added)

Defendants’ attacks on the magistrate judge’s opinion are unpersuasive. They argue that the plain meaning of the rule does not prohibit surreptitious taping. But the law recognizes, in countless areas, that omitting material facts can be as misleading as affirmative misstatements . Attorneys, as officers of the court, are held to a particularly high standard of candor. This may include volunteering information that is not explicitly requested. That a conversation is being recorded is a material fact that must be disclosed by an attorney. Defendants also argue that modern technology and norms make the 1974 ABA opinion obsolete. The fact that recording conversations is much simpler and more pervasive now does not make it proper. If anything, it makes the need for this rule more compelling. The magistrate judge did not accept the ABA opinion blindly. He addressed each of these arguments, and his reasoning in rejecting them is thorough and logical. We agree with Magistrate Judge Ashman’s reasoning in its entirety, and consequently need not repeat it here.

This leopard has truly not changed its spots. GG’s entire “journalism career” is based on omitting material facts to mislead. Spin doctoring of that sort should be restricted to columnists, and not confused with real reporting.

106 urbanmeemaw  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:30:10pm

re: #98 Gus

Hi, Gus! I used to like Billmon years ago. Has he turned into DudeBro Central?

107 Gus  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:31:29pm

re: #106 urbanmeemaw

Hi, Gus! I used to like Billmon years ago. Has he turned into DudeBro Central?

Seems like it. He’s freaking squawking about LGF and something about Nazis.

108 chadu  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:31:42pm

re: #93 wrenchwench

Do these people never stop thinking about what other people do without clothes on?

109 GunstarGreen  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:32:38pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

“Fuck the System” while being part of the largest System yet devised.

110 chadu  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:33:39pm

111 dog philosopher  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:34:54pm

teabaggers

if they had any sense, they’d find a more dignified and resonant appellation than “tea party”

but they don’t

112 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:35:45pm

By the way, I am absolutely NOT accepting this bullshit frame that LGF was a “hate site”. Ever.

Yes, the site veered to the right after 9/11. But ALL of these accusations that LGF was a “hate site” are based on comments, not on what I wrote. And in point of fact, I never stood for racist or bigoted comments, and frequently banned people for them, even then.

And all those commenters were ejected long ago. I did the right thing despite enormous cost and vicious attacks, and now I’m being bashed for it. Fuck those people.

113 Jack Burton  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:36:18pm

re: #101 Kragar

I’VE GOT DUDEBROS!

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Usil, we have brosign the likes of which even God has never seen!

114 Gus  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:36:18pm

bbl

115 Gus  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:39:56pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

By the way, I am absolutely NOT accepting this bullshit frame that LGF was a “hate site”. Ever.

Yes, the site veered to the right after 9/11. But ALL of these accusations that LGF was a “hate site” are based on comments, not on what I wrote. And in point of fact, I never stood for racist or bigoted comments, and frequently banned people for them, even then.

And all those commenters were ejected long ago. I did the right thing despite enormous cost and vicious attacks, and now I’m being bashed for it. Fuck those people.

The allegation of Nazis as Billmon1 Tweeted is also complete bullshit. Sure, the banned were odious in many ways but they weren’t Nazis. I’m pissed off now.

116 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:40:00pm

re: #94 chadu

DARVO.

They were calling themselves “teabaggers” on Day One, and were proud of it… until they found the sex-slang connotation.

Seriously. And calling someone a subhuman is a lot worse than calling someone a teabagger. Hell the stupid teabaggers were telling people to “teabag” your Congressman without apparently having a clue about that uh sexual double meaning. But yeah Obama should apologize! Fuck the right and their whiny bullshit.

117 Kragar  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:41:15pm

re: #110 chadu

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Look what you made me do…

Youtube Video

118 GunstarGreen  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:41:27pm

re: #111 dog philosopher

teabaggers

if they had any sense, they’d find a more dignified and resonant appellation than “tea party”

but they don’t

Because they fancy themselves as modern-day equivalents of the Boston Tea Party participants.

Except, you know, with a lot more whining about personal inconveniences and a lot less making actual sacrifices.

119 Gus  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:41:34pm
120 Gus  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:42:33pm
121 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:43:02pm

re: #119 Gus

Exhibit A

You can see why he and Greenwald get along so well.

122 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:43:18pm
San Francisco social media consultant Sarah Slocum says she was attacked this weekend for using Google Glass in a local bar. On her Facebook profile, Slocum said she was “verbally and physically assaulted” by bar patrons who jeered at her for using Glass and, she alleges, snatched the device off of her face. Slocum also said that she was robbed after leaving her purse in the bar as she pursued her alleged attackers.

She has posted a video of part of the incident to YouTube, though it doesn’t show the all the details of the alleged attack:

Another video, shared with San Francisco television station KRON4, shows one of the alleged attackers telling Slocum that people like her are “destroying” the city of San Francisco — a comment that ties this incident into a growing backlash against tech companies such as Google, Twitter and others in the city.

She shouldn’t have been attacked, but socially clueless, rich, tech industry fuckwits are in fact destroying SF.

Wearing Google Glass into a bar is pretty damned stupid. The only safe way to do that is if you’re riding a Segway while wearing a fanny pack on your belly, a mesh trucker cap and Crocs with socks, so there’s no doubt as to your ironic hipster bonafides.

123 Kragar  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:44:17pm
124 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:44:44pm

re: #118 GunstarGreen

Because they fancy themselves as modern-day equivalents of the Boston Tea Party participants.

Except, you know, with a lot more whining about personal inconveniences and a lot less making actual sacrifices.

Yeah the original Tea Partiers were actually complaining about something legit, they didn’t have a voice in the British parliament. Our tea partiers claimed it was unjust because they didn’t like who they had in Congress and the state legislature. And they weren’t whining about big government while at the same time demanding the government favor their religion/ideology like our tea partiers do with SSM.

125 Jack Burton  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:45:15pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

The few less than savory characters that you and this site had previous associations with, were back before those people had shown their true colors and came out of the hate closet. As soon as they did, they were immediately kicked to the curb and called out for exactly what they were. (I’m talking about PJMedia crowd and the Gellar/Spencer crowd, not any of the commenters.)

Most of this happened a year or two before the site “Went Left” (which is a cartoonishly simplistic way of viewing this site IMO).

126 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:45:21pm

re: #123 Kragar

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This is even better than Ahnold saying that gay marriage should be between a man and a woman.

127 chadu  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:45:29pm

re: #116 HappyWarrior

Seriously. And calling someone a subhuman is a lot worse than calling someone a teabagger. Hell the stupid teabaggers were telling people to “teabag” your Congressman without apparently having a clue about that uh sexual double meaning. But yeah Obama should apologize! Fuck the right and their whiny bullshit.

Straight people can participate in tea bagging, you know.

(waggles eyebrows suggestively)

128 dog philosopher  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:45:42pm

re: #118 GunstarGreen

Because they fancy themselves as modern-day equivalents of the Boston Tea Party participants.

Except, you know, with a lot more whining about personal inconveniences and a lot less making actual sacrifices.

yeah, but the thing is that “tea party”, despite the historical allusion, doesn’t really sound like an entity that could elect a president

names matter - ‘tea party’ sounds stupid

if the american political system were to find itself divided up between the progressive party and the tea party, i don’t have any doubt which one would have more credibility

129 dog philosopher  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:46:43pm

re: #127 chadu

Straight people can participate in tea bagging, you know.

(waggles eyebrows suggestively)

give those eyebrows back to groucho marx right this instant!

130 Aunty Entity Dragon  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:46:59pm

re: #1 Kragar

Work inside the system to make sure it works properly and not expose national security secrets to hostile foreign powers?

NO WAY, DUDER!
///

To be fair…others have tried that route and been punished nonetheless.

en.wikipedia.org
usatoday.com

It is ALWAYS dangerous to be a whistleblower and try to work within normal routes. Snowden should have gone directly to the Senate oversight committee since they have the security clearance to evaluate the material. That may have protected him from what happened to Thomas Drake.

It bears repeating that when you punish and engage in bad faith prosecutions of actual whistleblowers…you will inevitably end up with a Snowden (and Snowden knew about the Thomas Drake case)

132 b.d.  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:47:12pm

re: #123 Kragar

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hahahahaha.

Cue the ads quoting Patrick’s tweet, that is such an ugly race between a bunch or wretched individuals.

133 chadu  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:47:55pm

re: #128 dog philosopher

yeah, but the thing is that “tea party”, despite the historical allusion, doesn’t really sound like an entity that could elect a president

names matter - ‘tea party’ sounds stupid

if the american political system were to find itself divided up between the progressive party and the tea party, i don’t have any doubt which one would have more credibility

They ruined this mental image for me, mostly.

134 Gus  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:48:20pm

Grrrrr.

135 b.d.  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:48:27pm
136 chadu  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:48:41pm

re: #129 dog philosopher

give those eyebrows back to groucho marx right this instant!

I didn’t do it! It wasn’t me! I was on the moon… with Steve! (/Izzard)

137 chadu  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:49:16pm

A blank for y’all:

138 Aunty Entity Dragon  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:49:39pm

re: #6 Kragar

Even if he didn’t trust the NSA, he couldn’t have gone to a Senator or a Congressman? He thought someone like Paul wouldn’t go after the NSA with his libertarian horseshit?

Yes, he should have gone to the Senate. The Drake fiasco likely played some part in his decision making process, although we will never know for sure.

139 dog philosopher  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:50:01pm

re: #133 chadu

They ruined this mental image for me, mostly.

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[ upperclass bwitish accent ]

most appropriate i say what? what?

[ /upperclass bwitish accent off ]

140 Kragar  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:50:25pm
141 b.d.  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:50:32pm

re: #123 Kragar

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142 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:50:35pm

re: #123 Kragar

Then he “fixed” it. Loving the first reply:

143 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:53:00pm

re: #134 Gus

Grrrrr.

See now, this is why I love TweetDeck’s global filter feature. No point in getting angry about these nasty losers; just put them in the filter and never see their shit.

144 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:55:31pm

re: #133 chadu

They ruined this mental image for me, mostly.

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But that image does pretty much sum up the TP thought process.

145 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:55:50pm

re: #142 Backwoods_Sleuth

Then he “fixed” it. Loving the first reply:

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Hahaha. Yeah that’s what happens when you get puffy. Funny how the judges are only activist here. If they had affirmed the ban on SSM, it would be just peachy.

146 Kragar  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:58:27pm

Obama announcing infrastructure projects, bypassing GOP obstruction and creating new jobs.

*BOOM* Headshot

147 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:00:06pm

re: #146 Kragar

Obama announcing infrastructure projects, bypassing GOP obstruction and creating new jobs.

*BOOM* Headshot

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IMPERIAL PRESIDENCY!!!

148 RadicalModerate  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:00:27pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

By the way, I am absolutely NOT accepting this bullshit frame that LGF was a “hate site”. Ever.

Yes, the site veered to the right after 9/11. But ALL of these accusations that LGF was a “hate site” are based on comments, not on what I wrote. And in point of fact, I never stood for racist or bigoted comments, and frequently banned people for them, even then.

And all those commenters were ejected long ago. I did the right thing despite enormous cost and vicious attacks, and now I’m being bashed for it. Fuck those people.

I think part of the reputation may have been due to the fact that there were more than a few of the more unsavory people on the right who were associating themselves with you - each and every one of whom you emphatically repudiated when they began to skew even farther into a bigoted mindset during the last decade or so - which I think started right around the time that you told Spencer and Geller to take a hike because of their association with Vlaams Belang.

149 Kragar  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:01:19pm
150 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:01:38pm

re: #146 Kragar

151 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:02:46pm

re: #150 Backwoods_Sleuth

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NO WE SHOULD HAVE MORE AND MORE TAX CUTS BECAUSE FUCK YOU, I GOT MINE

152 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:03:32pm

hahahaaa!!! Dan Patrick is not going to forget it…evah…

153 b.d.  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:03:47pm

re: #150 Backwoods_Sleuth

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WHAT A SNOB!

154 Kragar  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:07:04pm
155 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:07:55pm
156 jaunte  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:10:49pm

re: #149 Kragar

wow
such sockpuppet, doge

157 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:11:03pm
158 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:11:36pm

So help me Lord, I hath finally twittered:

159 Kragar  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:11:40pm
160 Gus  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:12:03pm

If you haven’t heard yet. Paco de Lucia died.

161 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:12:41pm
162 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:12:51pm

re: #158 goddamnedfrank

So help me Lord, I hath finally twittered:

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Good comment though.

163 Stanley Sea  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:14:04pm

re: #158 goddamnedfrank

So help me Lord, I hath finally twittered:

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Get working on the avatar GDF - get rid of the egg!

Love, SS

164 Stanley Sea  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:14:13pm

OH AN KUDOS TO YOU.

165 urbanmeemaw  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:14:51pm

re: #107 Gus

Sigh. Thanks for the info. I’ll skip by any tweets or articles I see from him going forward.

166 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:16:08pm

re: #158 goddamnedfrank

So help me Lord, I hath finally twittered:

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Yeah, Jesus was pretty clear on a lot of things that “conservatives” don’t abide by. Like religious folks being hypocrites, he condemned that in pretty harsh terms. Yet “conservatives” care not for how the image of adulterers opining on the “sinful” nature of gay marriage makes them huge fucking hypocrites.

167 Ian G.  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:16:19pm

Oh, so that’s not the Dan Patrick who is the sportscaster. Had me confused for a moment.

We’re in the kamikaze phase of the war for gay rights now. These bills moving through state legislatures are the pilots flying their Zeros into the decks of the American aircraft carriers off Okinawa. The war is lost, and they know it, so they’re just going to go completely nuts in futility.

And 20 years from now, Bryan Fischer will be the lone Japanese soldier in the Filipino jungle who doesn’t know the war is over.

168 chadu  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:16:30pm

re: #154 Kragar

So, Congresscritters, allowing GWB to push the powers of the unitary executive was a bad idea, right? Like many of us were saying all along?

Y’all gonna flip your shit when the next President is an Arab-American Atheist woman, ain’tcha?

(wait for it)

“I am a 30-second bomb.”

169 Gus  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:16:45pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

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I saw him with Di Meola, McLaughlin, and Morse many moons ago. He was hands down my favorite.

170 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:18:05pm

re: #160 Gus

If you haven’t heard yet. Paco de Lucia died.

Yeah, Lidane mentioned it this morning in the overnight thread. Some nice links to his music, too.

171 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:18:18pm

re: #168 chadu

So, Congresscritters, allowing GWB to push the powers of the unitary executive was a bad idea, right? Like many of us were saying all along?

Y’all gonna flip your shit when the next President is an Arab-American Atheist woman, ain’tcha?

(wait for it)

“I am a 30-second bomb.”

Yeah they don’t seem to understand that if you give one executive power, another is going to use it. Kind of like how they were quiet on Bush and others using exec orders but Obama uses some and they flip their shit.

172 jaunte  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:18:30pm

re: #167 Ian G.

Oh, so that’s not the Dan Patrick who is the sportscaster.

To make it doubly confusing, he’s the Dan Patrick who used to be a sportscaster.
blogs.houstonpress.com

173 Iwouldprefernotto  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:18:55pm

re: #167 Ian G.

Oh, so that’s not the Dan Patrick who is the sportscaster. Had me confused for a moment.

We’re in the kamikaze phase of the war for gay rights now. These bills moving through state legislatures are the pilots flying their Zeros into the decks of the American aircraft carriers off Okinawa. The war is lost, and they know it, so they’re just going to go completely nuts in futility.

And 20 years from now, Bryan Fischer will be the lone Japanese soldier in the Filipino jungle who doesn’t know the war is over.

I wont tell him if you don’t.

174 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:19:05pm

Another business weighs in:

175 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:19:27pm

World’s best burrito ever has caused me to get grease all over my mouse. Mouse seems not to mind.

176 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:20:51pm

re: #175 wrenchwench

World’s best burrito ever has caused me to get grease all over my mouse. Mouse seems not to mind.

heh…God tweeted this a couple of hours ago:

177 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:20:53pm

re: #163 Stanley Sea

Get working on the avatar GDF - get rid of the egg!

Love, SS

Ok, temporary placeholder is my “Caution - Eastwooding Ahead” sign, aka “Intangible Surrogates Deployed”

178 Gus  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:21:12pm

179 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:21:54pm

Is this as “libelous” as Greenwald’s actions being declared unethical?

180 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:22:00pm

re: #174 Backwoods_Sleuth

Another business weighs in:

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I hope this stunt shows businesses that the GOP cares more about pandering to so con bigots than business.

181 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:22:06pm

re: #167 Ian G.

Oh, so that’s not the Dan Patrick who is the sportscaster. Had me confused for a moment.

We’re in the kamikaze phase of the war for gay rights now. These bills moving through state legislatures are the pilots flying their Zeros into the decks of the American aircraft carriers off Okinawa. The war is lost, and they know it, so they’re just going to go completely nuts in futility.

And 20 years from now, Bryan Fischer will be the lone Japanese soldier in the Filipino jungle who doesn’t know the war is over.

In a generation they’ll be looked upon like those fought frantically but pointlessly against desegregation and their “way of life.” The bitter enders will have either died off or be sitting in the back, making faces any time they see a lesbian couple walk up to the counter before sneering that “in their day,” those folks “knew their place.”

182 Gus  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:23:02pm
183 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:25:21pm

re: #181 Targetpractice

In a generation they’ll be looked upon like those fought frantically but pointlessly against desegregation and their “way of life.” The bitter enders will have either died off or be sitting in the back, making faces any time they see a lesbian couple walk up to the counter before sneering that “in their day,” those folks “knew their place.”

In 20 years they will claim HURR HURR!!!! REPUBLICANS WERE TEH GAY RIGHTS LEADERS!!!!! LOG CABIN REPUBLICANS!!!!!! the same as they now try to claim MLK and the Civil Rights movement.

184 Jack Burton  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:25:36pm

re: #175 wrenchwench

World’s best burrito ever has caused me to get grease all over my mouse. Mouse seems not to mind.

If you don’t live in San Diego, the name is false advertising.

185 Gus  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:26:15pm

Can you believe this? Ronan just got started.

186 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:28:27pm

re: #185 Gus

Can you believe this? Ronan just got started.

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Journalism is dead…

187 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:28:30pm

This has to be a Fake Quote, otherwise Ron Paul is much stupider or a bigger liar than anyone could ever have imagined.

188 jaunte  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:29:26pm

Exclusive: Latinos Are Punch Line at Joe Arpaio Roast

Kavanagh, who made headlines last year for trying to criminalize bathroom use by transgender people, used Latinos as a punch line in one racist joke after another, and the crowd lapped it up. The jokes and laughter, caught in an unguarded moment, reveal why conservatives have such a difficult time connecting with Latinos - there is a fundamental lack of respect. Watch:


“…when he goes out to eat with Arpaio, “most of the waitstaff and cooks dive out the back window.” “And when they don’t, I never know what the hell’s in my food,” he continued.:

189 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:29:34pm

re: #160 Gus

If you haven’t heard yet. Paco de Lucia died.

I know I know him … Oh, yeah, “Passion, Grace & Fire” with John McLaughlin, Al Di Meola and Paco de Lucía back in 1983. I got it while stationed in Germany. I knew John McLaughlin before that but that was my first intro to Al Di Meola & Paco de Lucia. Good stuff. Off to see if it’s purchasable online as that LP is long gone :(

190 Dr. Matt  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:29:52pm

By the way, when did President Obama EVER once use the term “teabagger”?

191 Stanley Sea  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:31:18pm

re: #177 goddamnedfrank

Ok, temporary placeholder is my “Caution - Eastwooding Ahead” sign, aka “Intangible Surrogates Deployed”

Veddy good!

192 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:31:32pm

re: #184 Jack Burton

If you don’t live in San Diego, the name is false advertising.

Mouse? Or ‘world’s best burrito’?

I don’t care what San Diego has, I am half way through eating the world’s best burrito. Roast beef, pico de gallo, and whatever they put in there that I can’t do at home… And it (was) huge. For $3.75.

193 Jack Burton  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:31:38pm

re: #187 Pie-onist Overlord

This has to be a Fake Quote, otherwise Ron Paul is much stupider or a bigger liar than anyone could ever have imagined.

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Ron Paul is much stupider and a bigger liar than anyone ever has imagined.

Next question.

194 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:32:07pm

re: #183 Pie-onist Overlord

In 20 years they will claim HURR HURR!!!! REPUBLICANS WERE TEH GAY RIGHTS LEADERS!!!!! LOG CABIN REPUBLICANS!!!!!! the same as they now try to claim MLK and the Civil Rights movement.

“We have the Log Cabin Republicans! We were big into gay rights before Democrats brainwashed them!”
“So why did you push to ban gay marriage, argue against recognizing those marriages performed in states that did legalize it, and pass various laws to allow discrimination against gay people?”
“You’ve been listening to the liberal propaganda. We never really supported such things.”
“Bush ran on passing an amendment making ‘traditional marriages’ the only legal ones.”
“Never happened!”
“GOProud and the Log Cabin Republicans were barred from CPAC while politicians and activists supporting banning gay marriage were welcomed.”
“THEY CHOSE NOT TO APPEAR!”
“Republican lawmakers spent years fighting to keep gay marriage bans at the state level in place.”
“GET OUT OF MY SIGHT, YOU DAMNED LIBERAL FASCIST!!!”

195 Bubblehead II  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:32:20pm

Hitting Arizona were it hurts the most. In the pocket book.

Latino lawyers group pulls convention from Phoenix over SB 1062

latimes.com

The Hispanic National Bar Assn. said it will move its 40th annual convention, scheduled for September 2015 in Phoenix, because the legislation, SB 1062, discriminates against members of Arizona’s lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community.

196 Gus  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:32:47pm

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

Journalism is dead…

Ronan Farrow Schedule:

MONDAY

7:00 AM Take shower.
7:30 AM Breakfast.
8:00 AM Start new journalism career at MSNBC.
9:00 AM Pick up Walter Cronkite Award for Journalism.

197 darthstar  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:33:19pm

re: #185 Gus

Can you believe this? Ronan just got started.

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I saw him on TV for the first time this morning…I was all, “Who the hell is that?” Apparently an Explorer and Excellence in Journalism. Who knew?

198 Kragar  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:33:29pm
199 b.d.  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:34:12pm

re: #185 Gus

Can you believe this? Ronan just got started.

[Embedded content]

GREENWALD GOT A POLK AWARD!@!!!

200 darthstar  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:34:42pm
201 RadicalModerate  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:35:27pm

re: #167 Ian G.

Oh, so that’s not the Dan Patrick who is the sportscaster. Had me confused for a moment.

We’re in the kamikaze phase of the war for gay rights now. These bills moving through state legislatures are the pilots flying their Zeros into the decks of the American aircraft carriers off Okinawa. The war is lost, and they know it, so they’re just going to go completely nuts in futility.

And 20 years from now, Bryan Fischer will be the lone Japanese soldier in the Filipino jungle who doesn’t know the war is over.

I just hope that their endgame for this isn’t the same as it was for the Civil Rights movement in the 1960s and 1970s, since a lot of the same players are involved on the political right. Specifically of concern is the acts of violence these individuals advocated (and perpetrated) against their opponents.

202 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:35:59pm
203 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:37:12pm

re: #187 Pie-onist Overlord

This has to be a Fake Quote, otherwise Ron Paul is much stupider or a bigger liar than anyone could ever have imagined.

[Embedded content]

It could easily be true, but doesn’t mean much. Those same founding fathers had no problem envisioning a country where blacks were enslaved and counted as three fifths of a person for census purposes.

The founding fathers were gigantic assholes who also happened to have some good, long lasting ideas about the structure of democracy.

204 BongCrodny  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:37:52pm

re: #174 Backwoods_Sleuth

Another business weighs in:

[Embedded content]

What’s really interesting about this is that Alaska Airlines has a reputation for being very religious-minded — they used to hand out notecards with “inspirational” Old Testament passages with breakfast trays.

Assuming management and ownership hasn’t changed to something completely non-secular, this can only be seen as a very positive step.

205 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:38:16pm

re: #203 goddamnedfrank

It could easily be true, but doesn’t mean much. Those same founding fathers had no problem envisioning a country where blacks were enslaved and counted as three fifths of a person for census purposes.

The founding fathers were gigantic assholes who also happened to have some good, long lasting ideas about the structure of democracy.

And the fact that “enlightened” is a relative term.

206 RadicalModerate  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:38:34pm

re: #188 jaunte

Exclusive: Latinos Are Punch Line at Joe Arpaio Roast


“…when he goes out to eat with Arpaio, “most of the waitstaff and cooks dive out the back window.” “And when they don’t, I never know what the hell’s in my food,” he continued.:

Par for the course for Joe “Stormfront” Arpaio.

207 jaunte  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:39:04pm

Welcome Notorious Haters!

208 b.d.  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:39:15pm

hahahahaha

Yes! I’m Running for Office! Vote Jackson!
Read more at victoriajackson.com

209 Kragar  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:41:40pm
210 Jack Burton  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:41:59pm

re: #206 RadicalModerate

Par for the course for Joe “Stormfront” Arpaio.

Why isn’t he in Club Fed? I lost track of it but I’m pretty sure he was being investigated and/or charged with a laundry list of things by the Feds.

211 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:43:00pm
212 b.d.  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:43:48pm

re: #209 Kragar

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**HEADDESK**

“I pointed out that Rusbridger is not actually Jewish, but Assange insisted that he was ‘sort of Jewish’ because he was related to David Leigh (they are brothers-in-law),” writes Hislop.

213 piratedan  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:44:18pm

i just find it strange, people and things do change, yeah, this site sure isn’t what it was five, ten years ago… people can and do change depending upon the person and what moves and influences them.

I’m sure GG has changed too, in the opinion of most folks here, just not for the better in regards to the windmills he tilts at. I can see that he styles himself as a fighter for first amendment rights and personal privacy. If you use a broad brush to characterize his actions, yeah perhaps that qualifies, but the fights he chooses to fight and the methodologies that he employs put him beyond the pale for me. Those actions and their ethical ripples make me view him as some sort of self-delusional Don Quixote, fighting the good fight against non-existent villains as he trashes your front yard with a horse that has the trots.

214 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:44:19pm

re: #211 NJDhockeyfan

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‘Cause Florida doesn’t have enough lizards.

215 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:47:27pm

re: #214 Decatur Deb

‘Cause Florida doesn’t have enough lizards.

Heh. These guys must be causing some trouble. The state of Florida is after them.

216 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:47:44pm

re: #214 Decatur Deb

‘Cause Florida doesn’t have enough lizards.

There can NEVER enough lizards…

217 dog philosopher  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:48:26pm

re: #202 Charles Johnson

Kinda funny to see all these heated exchanges with trolls go by without ever seeing the trolls’ comments. I think I like it that way.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 26, 2014

sung to the tune of “as trolls go by”

218 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:48:32pm

re: #215 NJDhockeyfan

Heh. These guys must be causing some trouble. The state of Florida is after them.

[Embedded content]

Unless there’s a substantial bounty (or exotic pets resale price) my family in Florida can’t be bothered.

219 chadu  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:49:12pm

re: #175 wrenchwench

World’s best burrito ever has caused me to get grease all over my mouse. Mouse seems not to mind.

QuickHipster: Greasy Mouse; opened=the Killers; venue=Wolf Trap; big hit=”Pizzeria Philosophy”; shit=tight.

220 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:49:25pm
221 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:50:38pm

re: #219 chadu

>QuickHipster: Greasy Mouse; opened=the Killers; venue=Wolf Trap; big hit=”Pizzeria Philosophy”; shit=tight.

I love those. If I ever find some cleverness in my head, Imonna start doing them too.

222 Kragar  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:50:42pm
223 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:50:48pm

re: #220 wrenchwench

Have another lizard.

Have another…

224 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:52:04pm

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

Have another…

[Embedded content]

Have some naked toads.

225 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:52:16pm

Mona must have Tweeted about “notorious hate site” like 100 times in the last 5 minutes.

Does she enjoy Mondoweiss? That’s a notorious hate site.

226 chadu  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:52:17pm

re: #187 Pie-onist Overlord

ONE THING IS CLEAR: The Founding Fathers never intended a nation where citizens would sit on their ass in front of a glass screen and grouse about everything they disagree with, don’t understand, or both.

227 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:53:52pm

re: #123 Kragar

Should twitter while high on anger, Dan.

228 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:54:18pm

The most recent notorious haters to post here (gone now) were on Mona’s side of the fence.

229 chadu  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:54:20pm

re: #188 jaunte

Exclusive: Latinos Are Punch Line at Joe Arpaio Roast

MISREAD AS: Exclusive: Latinos At Punch Line at Joe Arpaio Roast
FIRST THOUGHT: That must be some pretty kickin’ punch!

230 makeitstop  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:54:30pm

The Facebook ‘authority to shoot’ guy is back…

Militia Group Collecting Reward Money On Facebook For Capture Of Obama

He’s apparently collected $30K so far. And if nobody claims the reward… profit!!!

But seriously - why is Facebook okay with this shit?

231 chadu  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:54:49pm

re: #190 Dr. Matt

By the way, when did President Obama EVER once use the term “teabagger”?

In the bathhouse?

///

232 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:55:28pm

That tweeter is into batrochological sex.

233 chadu  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:55:59pm

re: #194 Targetpractice

“We have the Log Cabin Republicans! We were big into gay rights before Democrats brainwashed them!”
“So why did you push to ban gay marriage, argue against recognizing those marriages performed in states that did legalize it, and pass various laws to allow discrimination against gay people?”
“You’ve been listening to the liberal propaganda. We never really supported such things.”
“Bush ran on passing an amendment making ‘traditional marriages’ the only legal ones.”
“Never happened!”
“GOProud and the Log Cabin Republicans were barred from CPAC while politicians and activists supporting banning gay marriage were welcomed.”
“THEY CHOSE NOT TO APPEAR!”
“Republican lawmakers spent years fighting to keep gay marriage bans at the state level in place.”
“GET OUT OF MY SIGHT, YOU DAMNED LIBERAL FASCIST!!!”

234 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:56:11pm

re: #230 makeitstop

The Facebook ‘authority to shoot’ guy is back…

Militia Group Collecting Reward Money On Facebook For Capture Of Obama

He’s apparently collected $30K so far. And if nobody claims the reward… profit!!!

But seriously - why is Facebook okay with this shit?

They’re getting a nice cut?

235 Gus  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:57:26pm

Ho hum.

236 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:58:04pm

re: #230 makeitstop

The Facebook ‘authority to shoot’ guy is back…

Militia Group Collecting Reward Money On Facebook For Capture Of Obama

He’s apparently collected $30K so far. And if nobody claims the reward… profit!!!

But seriously - why is Facebook okay with this shit?

It’s typical Everest wingnuttery. Facebook will only take action on pictures, not content.
We’ve reported him before, to no avail.

237 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:58:15pm
238 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:59:29pm

Mona’s tic is the same as HURR HURR DEMOCRATS WAS TEH REAL RACISTS!!!!!!

HURR HURR NOTORIOUS HATE SITE!!!!!11!!!!TY

239 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:59:31pm

I can tell from the half of the conversation I see in TweetDeck that Mona Holland keeps repeating “notorious hate site” over and over like a parrot on crack.

240 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:59:49pm

re: #230 makeitstop

The Facebook ‘authority to shoot’ guy is back…

Militia Group Collecting Reward Money On Facebook For Capture Of Obama

He’s apparently collected $30K so far. And if nobody claims the reward… profit!!!

But seriously - why is Facebook okay with this shit?

Because the Secret Service is so much less interested in a plot to kidnap the president than to shoot him.

241 chadu  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:00:46pm

re: #207 jaunte

Welcome Notorious Haters!

QuickHipster: Notorious Haters; opened=Insane Clown Posse; venue=some alley in Minneapolis; big hit=”Asphalt Walt”; shit=tight.

242 A Mom Anon  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:00:57pm

re: #234 wrenchwench

Damn. If I had 30K I could actually stop having these freaking panic attacks over money. I could get out of debt and make it through the rest of the year without worrying about losing my house.

Except to do it like this asshole is would require me to steal from people and lie. Damn me and my stupid liberal morals.

243 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:01:54pm

Good that they’re studying the effects of aging on men’s reproductive capacity.

Older Dads at Much Higher Risk of Passing Along Mental Disorders

nbcnews.com

We’ll just have to hope that people can revert back to maturing at an earlier age to take on all the challenges of life. I’ve often said that we have extended a kind of faux adolescence way beyond its usefulness—that could also be a side effect of a materially rich society. That’s not to say that everyone should necessarily have children—it’s always up to the individuals involved. I think it’s also true that the heterosexual sex drive is geared toward mating and moderns have tamed that with birth control, a good thing, also, when you believe in population control and limiting the number of children you have. You can’t fool our biological functions too much, though, if you do want kids, by waiting too long. In the end, the “joke” on nature can backfire.

If women found their “biological clocks” ticking as they tried to get their lives in some semblance of educational, economic and social order before they had children and finding out later that they might have missed their chance without having to resort to extreme measures or adoption, men should be considering the same. Education, jobs, economics, although necessary to different degrees in a modern society—all of those are social constructs that actually can interfere with the optimum age to be having children.

I expect we will see a lot more research into this, along with other considerations about when the best time to have children would be. It’s going to be a societal challenge that I expect many people won’t want to tackle, but having both physically healthy and mentally healthy children should be the goal, not just having children.

244 chadu  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:02:23pm

re: #221 wrenchwench

I love those. If I ever find some cleverness in my head, Imonna start doing them too.

Feel free to use the “macro”!

I’m a giver!

245 Kragar  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:02:46pm

re: #239 Charles Johnson

I can tell from the half of the conversation I see in TweetDeck that Mona Holland keeps repeating “notorious hate site” over and over like a parrot on crack.

The parrot on crack is arranging an intervention for Mona.

246 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:04:02pm

re: #243 Justanotherhuman

Good that they’re studying the effects of aging on men’s reproductive capacity.

Older Dads at Much Higher Risk of Passing Along Mental Disorders

nbcnews.com
…snip.

Why should not old men be mad?
Some have known a likely lad
That had a sound fly-fisher’s wrist
Turn to a drunken journalist;
A girl that knew all Dante once
Live to bear children to a dunce;
A Helen of social welfare dream,
Climb on a wagonette to scream.
Some think it a matter of course that chance
Should starve good men and bad advance,
That if their neighbours figured plain,
As though upon a lighted screen,
No single story would they find
Of an unbroken happy mind,
A finish worthy of the start.
Young men know nothing of this sort,
Observant old men know it well;
And when they know what old books tell
And that no better can be had,
Know why an old man should be mad.

—Yeats

247 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:05:12pm
248 chadu  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:05:47pm

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

Have another…

[Embedded content]

Have another…

http://thebloggess.com/2011/04/can-you-carry-an-alligator-on-a-plane-answer-i-still-dont-entirely-know/e someone said that to me.

I call him “Jean-Louis”. Victor is not a fan. Probably because he had to share the window seat. And because I’m already making plans to buy him a tiny pirate suit. And a hook for his missing hand. And a saucy little pony-tail. Victor: “This dead alligator is a damn money pit.” Oh my God, if I had a nickel for every time someone said that to me.

I love the Bloggess.

249 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:05:56pm

re: #218 Backwoods_Sleuth

Unless there’s a substantial bounty (or exotic pets resale price) my family in Florida can’t be bothered.

Omnivorous, up to 4’ long, and they eat alligator eggs.

en.wikipedia.org

Nothing in the wikipedia article on their posting and commenting habits though.

250 Stanley Sea  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:06:02pm

re: #220 wrenchwench

Have another lizard.

A blue belly! I used to see those mating at my old house. Exciting!

251 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:07:18pm

I think I’ve seen enough now.

252 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:07:39pm

re: #226 chadu

ONE THING IS CLEAR: The Founding Fathers never intended a nation where citizens would sit on their ass in front of a glass screen and grouse about everything they disagree with, don’t understand, or both.

And you realize that Ben Franklin with the internet would blog, and then probably go trolling obnoxious boards simply for giggles.

253 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:08:09pm
254 chadu  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:08:13pm

re: #237 wrenchwench

255 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:08:30pm

re: #251 wrenchwench

Yikes!

256 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:10:13pm

re: #252 Feline Fearless Leader

And you realize that Ben Franklin with the internet would blog, and then probably go trolling obnoxious boards simply for giggles.

Franklin? Lurking the ‘mature’ porn sites.

257 gwangung  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:11:18pm

re: #256 Decatur Deb

Lurking, not participating?

258 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:11:46pm

re: #256 Decatur Deb

Franklin? Lurking the ‘mature’ porn sites.

Voted “Founder most likely to be caught posting picture of ‘Poor Richard’ on the internet.”

;p

259 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:12:05pm

re: #257 gwangung

Lurking, not participating?

PhillyPhrank76

260 Kragar  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:13:36pm

Mona just crossed the fucking line.

261 chadu  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:13:52pm

re: #243 Justanotherhuman

Older Dads at Much Higher Risk of Passing Along Mental Disorders

nbcnews.com

Aw, hell.

We’ll just have to hope that people can revert back to maturing at an earlier age to take on all the challenges of life. I’ve often said that we have extended a kind of faux adolescence way beyond its usefulness—that could also be a side effect of a materially rich society. That’s not to say that everyone should necessarily have children—it’s always up to the individuals involved. I think it’s also true that the heterosexual sex drive is geared toward mating and moderns have tamed that with birth control, a good thing, also, when you believe in population control and limiting the number of children you have. You can’t fool our biological functions too much, though, if you do want kids, by waiting too long. In the end, the “joke” on nature can backfire.

In my case, “waiting too long” wasn’t by choice.

Not that that was necessarily a bad thing.

And now, as it’s getting less and less likely I’ll ever be a father, I have to take this info under advisement.

Super.

BBL*

* I had to go anyway right about now, but that’s a helluva thing to read, and I would have walked away for a bit anyway.

262 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:14:04pm

re: #256 Decatur Deb

Franklin? Lurking the ‘mature’ porn sites.

Martha Washington was a hip, hip hip lady.

Youtube Video

263 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:14:35pm

Well, I see that Mona Holland has now directly equated me to Matt Hale, the white supremacist in prison for conspiring to kill a federal judge.

Hmm.

264 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:15:04pm
265 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:15:19pm

That’s so I’ll have a record of it.

266 Kragar  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:16:07pm

re: #264 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]


I’m done talking to that bitch

267 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:16:40pm

re: #264 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

OMFG. That’s slander, Charles.

268 Kragar  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:17:25pm

re: #267 Justanotherhuman

OMFG. That’s slander, Charles.

Slander is when you say. In print, its libel.

269 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:17:50pm

re: #260 Kragar

Mona just crossed the fucking line.

She sure as hell did!

270 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:19:08pm

Over February 20-25, a total of 180 Lenin monuments were demolished, which is more than during the whole period of independence.

Infolight.org.ua created an interactive map with the key dates and geography of the demolition of 206 Lenin monuments. Among the territorial units there are 114 cities, 51 townships and 41 villages having faced the “Leninfall” from December 8th, 2013 to February 25th…

facebook.com

271 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:20:40pm
272 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:20:44pm

re: #268 Kragar

Slander is when you say. In print, its libel.

Well, yes, I suppose a tweet would be considered “print”. I always think of a tweet as a short “phone call”. Haha.

273 makeitstop  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:23:36pm

If Mona is a lawyer, she certainly isn’t a very bright one.

274 Kragar  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:23:44pm

re: #271 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

But you both ran websites, so its the same thing!
///

275 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:26:16pm

Barton Gellman aware of legal risks

politico.com

Washington Post reporter Barton Gellman said Tuesday he’s aware of the legal risks that come with his reporting on Edward Snowden’s stolen documents. (my emphasis)

“I’ve certainly given a lot of consideration, so has the Washington Post, to legal risks and exposure and staying on the right side of the line,” Gellman explained during a panel discussion at the Georgetown University Law Center. “And I don’t rule out that there is legal exposure either criminally in an unlikely case or rather more likely civil compulsion. Just because Edward Snowden has outted himself doesn’t mean every part of my interaction or my reporting around these documents has been disclosed or I’d be willing to disclose any more of it.”

“While Attorney General Eric Holder has recently said the U.S. government won’t prosecute American journalists doing their job, Gellman cautioned “there’s lots of wiggle room there” for the Justice Department to continue investigations into the media.”

276 Jayleia  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:28:46pm

re: #272 Justanotherhuman

With defense lawyers like that, who needs prosecutor?

277 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:36:10pm

re: #261 chadu

Aw, hell.

In my case, “waiting too long” wasn’t by choice.

Not that that was necessarily a bad thing.

And now, as it’s getting less and less likely I’ll ever be a father, I have to take this info under advisement.

Super.

BBL*

* I had to go anyway right about now, but that’s a helluva thing to read, and I would have walked away for a bit anyway.

Please read the whole thing. The risk is there—but it doesn’t mean all older men will have children born with mental problems; the chances simply go up that they will be.

278 Kragar  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:37:53pm
279 dog philosopher  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:38:23pm

re: #226 chadu

ONE THING IS CLEAR: The Founding Fathers never intended a nation where citizens would sit on their ass in front of a glass screen and grouse about everything they disagree with, don’t understand, or both.

what we need are some amish style constitutional literalists who believe that the constitution mandates we should have a 1789 era country with 2nd amendment flintlocks and militias, and only male propertyholders voting

otherwise i ain’t interested in yer ‘original intent’

280 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:46:08pm

re: #168 chadu

“I am a 30-second bomb.”

How do you say that in Skinny? I’ve always wondered.

281 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:46:20pm

re: #242 A Mom Anon

Damn. If I had 30K I could actually stop having these freaking panic attacks over money. I could get out of debt and make it through the rest of the year without worrying about losing my house.

Except to do it like this asshole is would require me to steal from people and lie. Damn me and my stupid liberal morals.

{{{A Mom Anon}}}

You’ve gotten through bad times, and have the strength to do it again. Don’t let the worry turn to panic.

282 A Mom Anon  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:50:16pm

re: #277 Justanotherhuman

There are also a LOT of kids out there who need homes. Love is love, if you want to parent, you don’t absolutely need a biological child to do that. Adoption can be expensive, but we need more foster and adoptive parents in this country.

(steps off soapbox, drops mic, shuts up)

283 Lidane  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:50:54pm
284 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:55:00pm

re: #252 Feline Fearless Leader

And you realize that Ben Franklin with the internet would blog, and then probably go trolling obnoxious boards simply for giggles.

He’d also be looking at all the hot french babes online too - all in the name of science, I’m sure ;)

285 Gus  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:57:55pm

You know. Could have sworn Glenn Greenwald’s best new friend Barrett Brown joined Little Green Footballs and was welcome for a while before he flipped out.

286 Dave In Austin  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:09:50pm

I know its a bit late but I’d like to add my lizard to the mix……


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Atlanta ‘Sovereign Citizen’ Sentenced to Six Years for Possessing a Firearm
Eventually all of these dangerous bozos go to jail. n further efforts to establish his "right" to the residence, court documents say, Gibson "taped to the windows fraudulent Quiet [sic] Claim Deeds and other sovereign citizen documents" declaring he "was ...

3 hours, 24 minutes ago
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CriticalDragon1177
Skepchick - Food is for White Liberals What Sex Is For The Religious Right
An interesting commentary by Julia Burke, on the obsession some people on the far left have with food, and how it is similar to how some people on right feel about sex. Do you agree? Do you think the analogy ...

8 hours, 12 minutes ago
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EiMitch
Cracked: 5 Reasons The Classic American Summer is Totally Dead
They could've called this article "Look at how 'supply-side' economics, anti-environmentalism, and all-around pro-oligarch legislation and ideology has destroyed some of the most iconic, classic Americana." cracked.com Oh, and gentrification-based laws are also robbing us of the classic ice-cream truck ...

8 hours, 33 minutes ago
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_RememberTonyC
Qatar, Bergdahl, and Hamas
One thing we have learned in the current conflict is that Hamas has three main sponsors: Turkey, Iran, and Qatar. So when Bergdahl was released and the five taliban bigs were released into the "custody" of Qatar, we basically handed ...

1 day, 2 hours ago
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Outside Money Drives a Deluge of Political Ads
WASHINGTON -- An explosion of spending on political advertising on television -- set to break $2 billion in congressional races, with overall spots up nearly 70 percent since the 2010 midterm election -- is accelerating the rise of moneyed ...

2 days, 12 hours ago
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Romantic Heretic
Preventing Poverty Not Allowed As A Goal for Charity
The Canada Revenue Agency (Canada's equivalent of the IRS) has told OXFAM Canada that it cannot list 'preventing poverty' as a goal, only 'alleviating' it. The reason is "Relieving poverty is charitable, but preventing it is not." This is just ...

5 days, 9 hours ago
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FemNaziBitch
Safer Era Tests Wisdom of ‘Broken Windows’ Focus on Minor Crime
While the apparent chokehold fueled much of the initial public outcry, community leaders have begun asking whether focusing police officers so intently on such petty offenses makes sense in a city that is far different and far safer than ...

5 days, 16 hours ago
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Mentis Fugit
Frisson
Over at the quirky Riddled blog, I encountered this music video link. I have the album, but I had last listened long ago, and I had forgotten the lyrics. The lengthy, moody intro slowly drew me back thirty five years, ...

1 week, 1 day ago
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BadExampleMan
The painful futility of war
This makes me furious. These men pledged their loyalty to their country and their country betrayed them. It treated them as disposable, throwing their lives away in a war that was premised on lies, that was chosen gleefully, and that ...

1 week, 2 days ago
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 Frank says:

I never set out to be weird. It was always the other people who called me weird. -- To the Baltimore Sun, October 12, 1986