In Which Glenn Greenwald’s Friend Mona Holland Equates Me to a Neo-Nazi in Prison for Trying to Murder a Judge

And repeats “NOTORIOUS HATE SITE” over and over like a parrot on crack
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It would seem that this post from yesterday found its mark: If You Read Down to Paragraph 18, You Discover That Glenn Greenwald’s Latest Article Has No Evidence.

The festivities were kicked off this morning by the Mighty Greenwald himself, who called out his legions to attack with a couple of provocative tweets:

He’s linking to one of Gawker’s typical smear jobs (complete with crappy low res video screen grab) — written five years ago. BREAKING NEWS! For some odd reason that I’m pretty sure is related to my article, Greenwald went out of his way to find something vicious to post about me. It’s a pretty sleazy way to dodge out of dealing with the substantive criticisms in my post, but there you have it.

These tweets led to a predictable chorus of Greenwald personality cultists who are mostly in my TweetDeck global filter now (some people there’s just no point in even reading), so I thankfully missed most of the wharrgarbl until Greenwald’s long-time defender and sometime associate Mona Holland decided to directly equate me to Matthew Hale, the neo-Nazi who was once defended (pro bono) by Glenn Greenwald, and is now serving a 40-year prison term for conspiring to murder a federal judge.

So, that happened today.

UPDATE at 2/26/14 3:02:48 pm

Since Matt Hale has been brought up, we should mention that as Hale’s lawyer, Glenn Greenwald’s conduct was found to be unethical and deceitful after he recorded conversations with witnesses without telling them. Savor the irony of that, given Greenwald’s current crusade against intelligence services.

Here’s the judge’s opinion: ANDERSON v. HALE | Leagle.com.

Defendants’ counsel recorded telephone conversations with various third party witnesses, without disclosing to those witnesses that they were being recorded. Counsel and his tape-recorder were both in New York. The witnesses, at least some of them, called from Illinois. Plaintiff moved to compel disclosure of these tapes, arguing that this conduct was unethical and therefore vitiated any attorney workproduct privilege that may have attached to these recordings, and sought a protective order prohibiting any further recordings. The magistrate judge granted both motions, finding defense counsel’s conduct unethical under two separate rules: Local Rule 83.58.4(a)(4), prohibiting “dishonesty, fraud, deceit or misrepresentation;” and Local Rule 83.54.4, stating “a lawyer shall not … use methods of obtaining evidence that violate the legal rights of [another] person.”

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161 comments
1 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:54:16pm

I read that Gawker piece after you linked to GG’s tweet, and it was almost incoherent. I had no idea you had “acolytes” either. And hard to believe that was five years ago. (edit: meaning “damn, time flies”)

2 dog philosopher  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:54:18pm

Charles Johnson = Matt Hale

what reason does she suggest for making this assertion?

3 jaunte  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:54:35pm
Now he’s a leading online Democratic booster. Quite revealing.

“Quite revealing of what?”, you might ask. Well, any dark fantasy with which you choose to fill the blank.

4 makeitstop  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:55:27pm

re: #2 dog philosopher

Charles Johnson = Matt Hale

what reason does she suggest for making this assertion?

She was cornered. Also, she had used up her daily quota of use of the term ‘notorious hate site’ by that time.

5 iossarian  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:56:40pm

Does this all make us “acolytes” or “US Govt partisans”?

I’m having some business cards printed and need to get this right.

6 Gus  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:58:49pm

You know. Could have sworn Glenn Greenwald’s best new friend Barrett Brown joined Little Green Footballs and was welcome for a while before he flipped out.

[Repost]

7 Zamb  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:59:37pm

Somewhere in high school and college we need to have weekly mandatory sessions on the subject of why you shouldn’t resort to hyperbole in every fucking argument. With special bi-weekly topics that include, who is and who isn’t comparable to Nazis, murderers, and rapists.

8 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:59:54pm

Mona’s comment could only be true if Glenn represented Charles pro bono in his defamation suit against Mona Holland.

9 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:00:17pm

re: #5 iossarian

Does this all make us “acolytes” or “US Govt partisans”?

I’m having some business cards printed and need to get this right.

Drooling sycophants.

10 Gus  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:01:35pm

Checkmate!

11 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:02:38pm

I was going to try some Crocs, but a friend told me the goathead stickers go right through them. I’ll have to settle for ‘drooling’.

12 Gus  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:02:59pm

Brown was also welcomed here for a while before he decided to hop on the crazy train.

13 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:03:12pm

Because nobody actually tried to kill someone? Just a wild guess.

14 jaunte  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:03:29pm

A bike gang of drooling sycophants at a notorious hate site of no fixed ideology.

15 Gus  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:04:35pm

re: #14 jaunte

A bike gang of drooling sycophants at a notorious hate site of no fixed ideology.

Not Iron Fist again! Noz!!!!!!!!!!!!

16 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:05:06pm

I let the SPLC decide who’s running a hate site and who isn’t.

17 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:05:17pm

The most recent “notorious haters” to post here (now blocked or flounced) were more on Mona’s side of the fence.

18 Ryan King  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:05:22pm

re: #5 iossarian

Does this all make us “acolytes” or “US Govt partisans”?

I’m having some business cards printed and need to get this right.

WHERE THE F IS MY CHECK?

19 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:06:06pm

good grief, Mona is stupid.

Apparently her reading comprehension is every bit as good as her spelling.

20 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:06:32pm

Does Mona think Mondoweiss is a hate site, or just a site that COURAGEOUSLY TELLS TEH TROOF ABOUT TEH JUICE!!!!!!!?

21 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:08:46pm
22 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:10:27pm

Scahil is going to give his Oscar swag bag to Omidyar.

And with that, Scahill got ready to fly out to LA for Sunday’s Oscar ceremony.

“Looking forward to the Oscar swag bag. Although I tell you, everything in there is going straight to EBay.”

23 monkeyfister  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:10:45pm

I’m so old, I remember when both Glenn AND Charles were both Republicans, so there!

Things between the two are getting a bit over-heated to no good end. Both are losing ground at this point when it comes to this stuff, IMhO.

24 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:11:29pm

Somebody tell Mona that PRNewswire is not an actual news site.

Also too:
CAIR making a frivolous complaint != an actual FBI investigation.,

25 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:12:21pm

re: #23 monkeyfister

Go away.

26 jaunte  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:12:25pm

re: #24 Pie-onist Overlord

PRNewswire

It has News right in the name

27 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:12:37pm

re: #23 monkeyfister

Not quite getting why you think “both” of us are contributing. I certainly haven’t done anything like comparing someone to a violent neo-Nazi criminal, last time I checked.

28 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:12:48pm

In any event this entire argument boils down to “Robert Byrd was in the Klan,” except without the Klan or anything remotely equivalent to it.

And I say this as someone who vehemently disliked the old zeitgeist here.

29 Jay in Oregon  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:13:51pm

re: #3 jaunte

“Quite revealing of what?”, you might ask. Well, any dark fantasy with which you choose to fill the blank.

It’s time for another episode of Democrats are the REAL racists!

re: #2 dog philosopher

Charles Johnson = Matt Hale
what reason does she suggest for making this assertion?

I assume it goes back to the earlier statement about Charles running a “notorious hate site” (*ding* Everybody take a drink!) back in the day.

Everyone knows that people’s views never evolve as time passes; just ask Ed “Leakers should be shot in the balls” Snowden.

30 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:14:46pm

re: #5 iossarian

Does this all make us “acolytes” or “US Govt partisans”?

I’m having some business cards printed and need to get this right.

I’ve always wanted to be a ‘minion’, but every time I sign up I wind up praying in the back of an El Al plane with a bunch of bearded dudes.

31 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:17:28pm

And again, I totally reject the idea that LGF was ever a “hate site.” That’s complete bullshit. Yes, there were extreme commenters, but what they don’t tell you when they pick out comments is that the worst ones were often banned and their comments deleted.

This was not a hate site. When I became aware of hateful comments they were dealt with. As the software improved, I got much better at dealing with it, with help from our much-appreciated monitor lizards.

By comparison to the current right wing blogosphere’s comments, LGF’s were tame. These days you’ll find open racism, homophobia and every kind of bigotry everywhere, and nobody’s getting banned for it.

32 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:19:20pm

In fact, I often see absolutely horrific anti-Muslim comments posted at Breitbart, Gateway Pundit, etc. that go FAR beyond anything that would have ever been allowed here. People were instantly banned for some of the stuff that’s commonplace these days on the right wing blogs.

33 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:21:59pm

This is some new form of Magical Balance Fairy, I’ll give her that.

34 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:23:24pm

re: #23 monkeyfister

I’m so old, I remember when both Glenn AND Charles were both Republicans, so there!

Things between the two are getting a bit over-heated to no good end. Both are losing ground at this point when it comes to this stuff, IMhO.

The more ground Greenwald loses, the better. He’s a threat to good government everywhere, because he doesn’t believe in it.

35 Ryan King  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:23:46pm

NOTORIOUS HATE PIE SITE

36 jaunte  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:24:06pm
37 iossarian  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:24:27pm

One thing I will say about the whole “hate site” thing is that it’s an accusation that has to be considered in the context of evolving ideas of the fundamental nature of what it means to post something on the internet.

I happen to think (hope?) that in a few years’ time, people will have a radically different view of what it means to put something online, which essentially derives from: if you put it online, it’s there forever and everyone can always see it, without necessarily being aware of the surrounding context that accompanied it at the time of posting.

The fact is that we can probably *all* think of things we’ve posted that have been hateful. I certainly can. Some of them I regret, some I think are justified through humor or context, but they could be interpreted very differently out of that context.

One of the reasons I joined LGF in the first place was that I disagreed with a lot of the content, both “above the line” and (especially) below it. But was it a hate site? I like to think I would not have joined if it was.

38 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:24:45pm

re: #24 Pie-onist Overlord

Somebody tell Mona that PRNewswire is not an actual news site.

Also too:
CAIR making a frivolous complaint != an actual FBI investigation.,

exactly!

39 dog philosopher  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:25:28pm

wiksterpedia article sees it this way

Hate speech is, outside the law, speech that attacks a person or group on the basis of e.g. race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation.

In law, hate speech is any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group. The law may identify a protected individual or a protected group by certain characteristics. In some countries, a victim of hate speech may seek redress under civil law, criminal law, or both. A website that uses hate speech is called a hate site. Most of these sites contain Internet forums and news briefs that emphasize a particular viewpoint

en.wikipedia.org

40 dog philosopher  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:26:27pm

re: #35 Ryan King

NOTORIOUS HATE PIE PUN SITE

41 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:28:55pm

re: #33 Rev_Arthur_Belling

This is some new form of Magical Balance Fairy, I’ll give her that.

Don’t stand underneath.

42 Gus  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:34:07pm

Swiss Vote to Ban Minarets

Nothing like letting the state determine what religious symbolism is allowed within the nation. It reminds me of The Soviet Union, China, North Korea, and other totalitarian states.

Me. 11/29

43 Gus  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:34:31pm

re: #42 Gus

Swiss Vote to Ban Minarets

Me. 11/29

Plus: 1
SanFranciscoZionist
Minus: 1
der_ich

44 Lancelot Link  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:35:14pm

Stormfront’s Neo-Nazis are currently very fond of reprinting GG’s stories. Just sayin’.
Hate Sites love GG

45 Kragar  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:42:19pm

I had to block Mona after that shit.

46 Jack Burton  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:47:24pm

re: #2 dog philosopher

Charles Johnson = Matt Hale

what reason does she suggest for making this assertion?

Because fuck you thats why!

47 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:48:01pm

re: #45 Kragar

I had to block Mona after that shit.

You might have knocked her right off of Twitter. She hasn’t tweeted since then.

48 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:48:44pm

Mona is the Squeaky Fromme to Glenn Greenwald’s Manson.

49 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:49:48pm

This is interesting:

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Hispanic National Bar Association on Wednesday said it cancelled its 2015 convention in Phoenix over legislation adding protections for people who assert their religious beliefs in refusing service to gays.

Politically this could be kind of a big deal, indicating the beginnings of real camaraderie and formal alliance between Hispanic and gay organizations. At the very least it demonstrates a sense of shared self interest, a willingness to begin treating an attack on one group as an attack on both.

If I were a national GOP official this would scare the crap out of me, especially because the bill hasn’t even been signed into law and probably never will. Mere passage combined with Brewer’s cynical delay in vetoing has been by itself enough to bring about this result.

50 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:50:32pm

re: #48 Pie-onist Overlord

Mona is the Squeaky Fromme to Glenn Greenwald’s Manson.

LOL, my Mom went to high school with Squeaky.

51 Kragar  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:51:38pm

re: #47 wrenchwench

You might have knocked her right off of Twitter. She hasn’t tweeted since then.

Nah, she’s still derping up a storm. HATE SITE! HATE SITE!

52 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:52:58pm

re: #47 wrenchwench

Probably, someone gave her her meds to calm her down.

53 Ryan King  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:53:13pm

re: #51 Kragar

Nah, she’s still derping up a storm. HATE SITE! HATE SITE!

ITS A DAMN PIE/PUN SITE FER CHRISSAKES

54 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:53:30pm

OT:

Angry Scientist Finds Uneducated Internet Comment And Delivers Badass Response…

Anti-vax takedown

55 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:53:47pm

re: #51 Kragar

Nah, she’s still derping up a storm. HATE SITE! HATE SITE!

Sock account? I see her last tweet as 50 minutes ago. Here’s the most recent comment to her:

56 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:55:12pm

Speaking of calm:

57 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:56:30pm
58 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:56:53pm

re: #55 wrenchwench

Sock account? I see her last tweet as 50 minutes ago. Here’s the most recent comment to her:

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Probably waiting for further instructions from Teh Overlord since she’s completely pwn3d now.

59 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:57:03pm

re: #55 wrenchwench

Sock account? I see her last tweet as 50 minutes ago. Here’s athe most recent comment to her:

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Why does she keep repeating that claim? A CAIR press release calling for an FBI investigation is not proof of an FBI investigation. She’s not that stupid, the conflation is fundamentally dishonest.

60 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:58:08pm

re: #59 goddamnedfrank

She’s not that stupid, the conflation is fundamentally dishonest.

Based on what I’ve read over the past few hours, that’s a statement lacking evidence.

61 Kragar  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:59:40pm

re: #59 goddamnedfrank

Why does she keep repeating that claim? A CAIR press release calling for an FBI investigation is not proof of an FBI investigation. She’s not that stupid, the conflation is fundamentally dishonest.

Glenn taught her if you repeat the same stupid shit long enough, people will say fuck it, then you can declare yourself the winner.

62 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 3:59:45pm

re: #60 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Based on what I’ve read over the past few hours, that’s a statement lacking evidence.

She’s at least willing to act as though she is stupid.

63 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:01:46pm

I really do not understand the mentality of Glenn’s cult followers. Does he feed them heroin or crack cocaine and they are dependent on him for their next fix?

I mean srsly he’s a total abusive douche. Jim Jones at least had some magnetism.

64 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:03:36pm

Jim Jones and all other cult leaders were also a total abusive douches, but for some reason they had the charisma to charm and control their followers.

What’s Glenn’s control seekrit over his drooling sycophants?

65 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:03:45pm

re: #63 Pie-onist Overlord

I really do not understand the mentality of Glenn’s cult followers. Does he feed them heroin or crack cocaine and they are dependent on him for their next fix?

I mean srsly he’s a total abusive douche. Jim Jones at least had some magnetism.

Dudebro magnetism is beyond our comprehension.

I’m glad.

66 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:06:26pm

40 minutes from now.


She’s gonna veto. My prediction.

67 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:10:49pm

re: #66 wrenchwench

40 minutes from now.

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She’s gonna veto. My prediction.

I figure she wouldn’t have put off the decision this long if she truly intended to sign the bill. She needed time for her speechwriter to come up with a way to sell this as anything but retreat to the rubes.

68 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:11:37pm

re: #66 wrenchwench

40 minutes from now.

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She’s gonna veto. My prediction.

I think you’re right. I think she’ll cite the business reasons but not mention the bigotry reasons. Can’t really get too upset if she vetoes I guess but this should have been an opportunity for the GOP to show they’re not total neanderthals on LGBT rights.

69 Lidane  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:11:57pm

I dug out the hazmat suit and hip waders to go see how the Freepers are reacting to the Texas ruling on gay marriage. You can set your watch by their derp:

Why does Texas have to listen to a Federal Judge?
—

There is no such thing as gay marriage. There is a nationwide movement by liberals and other freaks to redefine a word. But there is no such thing as gay “marriage”.
—

Is it illegal to horse whip a judge in Texas? Maybe not horse whip, but beat some sense into him, her or it?
—

Our constitution is being usurped each and every damn day! This president, and all the damn libs in San Antonio need to be arrested
—

Did they rule on polygamy, incest or plural marriage? Why not? There are no rules when there is no standard. All “marriages” are equal. Right? Otherwise, the court is denying “rights”, right?
—

Texas needs to secede. This is tyranny, top down. I will gladly come to Texas and join secessionist forces. We do not need to remain beholden to the Barack Stalin thugs.
—

Texas sends more in taxes to the fed.gov than it receives.

We have more than enough income from oil and gas than we need (and it is expanding at a rapid rate and will continue to do so for quite a while).

We have ample agriculture, so we can feed ourselves…plus we have a bunch of fishing off the coast and in our many lakes.

We certainly can defend ourselves - the federal equipment that our taxes paid for would be perfectly adequate. We can build nukes at the Pantex plant, rockets to sit them on in Houston, and have at least 50 million guns (and people who know how to use them).

We can thus feed and take care of ourselves, and have shown an ability to do just that for well over 175 years. Frankly, I don’t know why we remain in the decaying and disintegrating Union. I’m sure that several of the surrounding states would join us - heck, we’d make a pretty good-sized country, one with traditional American values that would prosper and grow mighty, while Lieberal-land on the coasts and the upper Midwest would continue to sink into the muck and mire.
—

Texas should secede if it intends to remain American.
—

“The problem is these liberal local judges and court clerks WILL defy the Governor or AG and issue these licenses.”

Even so, that would only occur in the few Democratic cities in Texas.

Maybe Houston, Dallas, Austin and San Antonio, but that would be about it.
—

And so…

The Texas voters will provide a resolution for the next cycle that says

the Federal Court decision is OF NO EFFECT in the State of Texas according to the voice of the people.

Damn. Who do we have to draft this resolution?
—

Yep. There is no more “united states”. There is now one state with one set of laws. I still contend the only solution is to go our own way.
—

I contend that if we go our own way, that they will come and take it back by any means necessary.

The only solution is a complete cleansing of all government and a reset.
—

What is the rational basis then, to prohibit polygamy, bestiality?

Do you know the beastiality laws now are not based on morality? Only animal cruelty. If you are kind to your dog why can’t you marry it?

70 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:14:14pm

re: #69 Lidane

I dug out the hazmat suit and hip waders to go see how the Freepers are reacting to the Texas ruling on gay marriage. You can set your watch by their derp:

They’re talking Texan secession again? Yeah, let’s see how long before an independent Texas was either A) begging to be readmitted or B) in danger of being annexed by Mexico.

71 Kragar  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:14:26pm

Arctic Monkeys - Do I Wanna Know?

Youtube Video

72 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:14:31pm

re: #65 wrenchwench

Dudebro magnetism …

It’s made from bits of real panther, so you know it’s good.

Vimeo

73 dog philosopher  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:15:14pm

re: #69 Lidane

I dug out the hazmat suit and hip waders to go see how the Freepers are reacting to the Texas ruling on gay marriage. You can set your watch by their derp:

texas: much too pre-occupied with what gay people do since 1849

74 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:16:41pm

Did someone say that Mona Holland actually made it out of middle school?

75 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:18:06pm

re: #69 Lidane

I dug out the hazmat suit and hip waders to go see how the Freepers are reacting to the Texas ruling on gay marriage. You can set your watch by their derp:

Why does Texas have to listen to a federal judge? Read your Constitution fuckwad.

76 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:18:45pm

re: #71 Kragar

Arctic Monkeys - Do I Wanna Know?

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AM was a great album. One of my favorites from the past year.

77 Bubblehead II  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:20:12pm

GOV. BREWER TO MAKE STATEMENT ON SB 1062; WATCH LIVE AT 5:45

In about 25 minutes.

78 Lidane  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:21:33pm

re: #70 Targetpractice

They’re talking Texan secession again? Yeah, let’s see how long before an independent Texas was either A) begging to be readmitted or B) in danger of being annexed by Mexico.

What these fuckwits fail to understand is that while Texas was independent, they were in constant danger of being re-annexed by Mexico, since Mexico never accepted their independence. There were also border disputes and armed conflicts the entire time. It wasn’t an idyllic paradise.

These days, if Texas seceded and the US government left, our biggest immediate problem would be the cartels, not the Mexican government.

79 urbanmeemaw  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:21:52pm

re: #4 makeitstop

Does that mean Greenwald is now Charles’ lawyer? I’m confused…

80 Skip Intro  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:22:23pm

re: #69 Lidane

Looks like this quarter’s griftathon will be ending right around the time the one for next quarter begins. While I’m aware that Free Republic is the level of stupid Fox News tries to just hover above, can anybody there explain what they get in return for their $340,000 per year?

81 Lidane  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:24:18pm

re: #75 HappyWarrior

Why does Texas have to listen to a federal judge? Read your Constitution fuckwad.

My favorite is the dipshit who says that Texas has to secede to remain American. Lolwut.

82 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:24:20pm

Yeah secede because other people are getting a right that you already have. That’ll make you look noble.

83 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:24:51pm

re: #81 Lidane

My favorite is the dipshit who says that Texas has to secede to remain American. Lolwut.

Ha! Yeah that’s up there. Nothing says I love America like seceding from it.

84 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:25:29pm
85 Gus  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:26:38pm
86 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:27:33pm

GG: Look at my new sock puppet, Mona!

i.chzbgr.com

87 Bubblehead II  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:31:23pm

MLB weighing in on Arizona SB 1062.

88 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:32:01pm
89 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:34:22pm

Mona’s derping again, she must have got her fix.

90 dog philosopher  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:34:33pm

re: #77 Bubblehead II

GOV. BREWER TO MAKE STATEMENT ON SB 1062; WATCH LIVE AT 5:45

In about 25 minutes.

“i strongly support our right as americans to discriminate against people because of our religious prejudices. but some people in this country insist on making a big fuss about it, and even threaten to fail to spend their bucks here if we assert our god given right to hate. well, i’ll continue to support the right of arizonians to hate whomever they choose, but not at the expense of the vital flow of bucks from dog-marrying communists who have somehow managed to get aholt of a bunch of them. bucks i mean. thank you”

91 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:37:19pm

Gawd, can these people get any worse? The comments say, “yes”.

92 Blue Fielder  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:37:40pm

Would it be out of line to drop her an @ along the lines of “Newsflash, honey: He’s never going to love you. He’s gay. And taken.”?

93 Swift2991  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:39:42pm

I think this is one big warning signal: if somebody writes this about you that sounds and looks like this, they’re out of ammo and you freaked them out.

I’ll be the first to admit that I haven’t always thought well of LGF, dating back to the Dan Rather business. But I do think what you showed was evidence-based, not ideological.

I don’t care how you evolved, but rejecting the Republican Party for its racism seems right to me.

Greenwald is a sneak, a cheat and a Malvolio, if you want to make a Shakespearean connection. He doesn’t argue, he aims at the jugular to rally his buddies into more attacks. Left right or in the middle, that’s not the kind of politics or journalism I want.

94 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:39:44pm

re: #92 Blue Fielder

Would it be out of line to drop her an @ along the lines of “Newsflash, honey: He’s never going to love you. He’s gay. And taken.”?

Probably. You’re attacking the messenger and not the message there.

95 dog philosopher  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:39:52pm

o.t. sometimes i feel like moving to the u.p., but i fear i don’t have the sisu

96 Jack Burton  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:39:54pm

re: #69 Lidane

Texas should secede if it intends to remain American.

97 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:41:30pm

Mona’s derping the equivalent of HURR HURR TEH DEMOCRATS WAS TEH RACISTS 150 YEARS AGO!!!!1!!!!!

98 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:42:13pm
99 Bubblehead II  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:45:24pm

Live stream has started

100 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:46:18pm

Charles, if you’re a “Neo-Nazi”, what is this guy?

Team Sedition ‏@MindDetonat0r 22m

@ggreenwald maybe Snowden was secretly trying to overthrow the US Government. And if that’s true it makes him even more of a hero.

101 Bubblehead II  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:46:34pm

1 minute warning.

102 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:48:20pm

re: #101 Bubblehead II

1 minute warning.

live feed anywhere?

103 Bubblehead II  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:48:37pm

Here we go

104 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:48:44pm

re: #99 Bubblehead II

22 freaking trackers on that azcentral.com link according to ghostery!

105 Bubblehead II  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:49:13pm

re: #102 wrenchwench

Here

azcentral.com

106 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:49:15pm

re: #102 wrenchwench

107 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:49:40pm
108 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:49:50pm

Yep, Brewer’s chickening out.

109 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:50:07pm

Veto!

110 Gus  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:50:07pm

Veto!

111 Kid A  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:50:07pm

I say 50/50.

112 Amory Blaine  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:50:10pm

She’s going to pull them out.

113 Kid A  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:50:13pm

VETO!

114 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:50:22pm

re: #108 Charles Johnson

Yep, Brewer’s chickening out.

And is giving the people responsible both barrels for putting her in this position.

115 Bubblehead II  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:50:22pm

Vetoed

116 Lidane  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:50:30pm

ZOMG RINO! OUTRAGE!

117 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:50:35pm

Vetoed. Good even if it was only because she wants the Super Bowl in her state.

118 Amory Blaine  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:51:04pm

She did those RWNJ a huge favor.

119 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:51:07pm
120 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:51:19pm

re: #116 Lidane

ZOMG RINO! OUTRAGE!

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Wow surprised she called that bullshit out. Blind squirrels and acorns and all.

121 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:51:30pm

Ben Shapiro has a butthurt.

122 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:51:42pm

re: #117 HappyWarrior

Money talks loudly, even in the GOP.

123 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:51:43pm

Todd Starnes has a butthurt.

124 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:52:11pm

re: #119 Charles Johnson

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Yeah if it was an act of principie, she would have threatened to veto it early on. Certainly the backlash surprised her and the other nuts.

125 Bubblehead II  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:52:17pm

Some idiot yelling out that the bill doesn’t discriminate right at the end.

126 Kid A  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:52:19pm

Only on Fox: “Gov Jan Brewer (R-AZ): Have vetoed religious rights bill.”

127 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:52:20pm
128 Lidane  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:52:25pm
129 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:52:30pm

re: #123 Pie-onist Overlord

Ben Shapiro has a butthurt.
Todd Starnes has a butthurt.

Let me get my popcorn.

130 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:52:33pm

Shorter Brewer statement: “I’m vetoing this, but want everybody to know I had nothing to do with it!”

131 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:52:55pm

re: #126 Kid A

Only on Fox: Gov jan Brewer (R-AZ): Have vetoed religious rights bill.

Yeah well Fox can go fuck themselves for thinking this is a religious right’s bill.

132 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:53:28pm

and she tweets proof!

133 Gus  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:53:37pm


Derp.

134 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:53:54pm

re: #128 Lidane

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Yeah your religious liberty isn’t denied if you have to provide a gay couple the same service you do a straight one, sorry RWNJs.

135 Gus  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:55:05pm

Boom!

136 Gus  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:55:24pm

There we go with our hate again!

//

137 Blue Fielder  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:55:58pm

The “right” to discriminate.
The “right” to force religion on others.
The “right” to control others based on your beliefs.

Funny how much these folks talk about rights and yet never actually give a shit about actual rights.

Oh, wait, not funny, I meant INFURIATING

138 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:56:03pm
139 Lidane  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:56:21pm
140 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:56:47pm

Brewer isn’t running for office again, is she?

141 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:57:20pm

HURR HURR RINO!!!11!!!!

142 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:57:25pm

re: #139 Lidane

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Yeah Todd, by having to provide a business service to all and getting more profits in the process, they’re really second class citizens. Real what a fucking second class citizen actually means you pathetic piece of right wing shit.

143 Bubblehead II  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:57:29pm

re: #140 Justanotherhuman

Brewer isn’t running for office again, is she?

Nope. Irrc, she is term limited

144 Amory Blaine  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:57:31pm

re: #137 Blue Fielder

Also, free market principles. How do they work?

145 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:57:59pm

re: #140 Justanotherhuman

Brewer isn’t running for office again, is she?

Of course not.

146 Kid A  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:58:21pm

re: #138 Pie-onist Overlord

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147 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:59:02pm

Brewer originally said she wasn’t going to make a decision until Friday, which is what polls do when they want to minimize fallout. Could it be that the Hispanic National Bar Association announcement scared her into early action?

148 Lidane  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:59:41pm

re: #140 Justanotherhuman

Brewer isn’t running for office again, is she?

She’s term-limited. She’s leaving office in January.

By Arizona law, she could run again in four years, but I doubt she will.

149 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 5:00:18pm

re: #142 HappyWarrior

Yeah Todd, by having to provide a business service to all and getting more profits in the process,

This is the part that I will never understand about these bigots. U.S. currency isn’t gay or straight, black or white or hispanic or asian or muslim or jewish or pastafarian. It all spends the same and buys the same amount of goods and services, stocks, bonds, whatever.

150 GeneJockey  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 5:00:47pm

re: #54 Rev_Arthur_Belling

OT:

Angry Scientist Finds Uneducated Internet Comment And Delivers Badass Response…

Is that about me? I spent a decade doing that on a hunting site.

It didn’t help.

151 Blue Fielder  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 5:00:58pm

re: #144 Amory Blaine

Also, free market principles. How do they work?

The market only matters when it’s used to screw poors, wimmenz, and browns. The rest of the time you can tell them to do what GawdAnJayzus want them to do because that’s REAL MURKIN FREEDUMB(tm)

152 aagcobb  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 5:02:12pm

re: #84 Pie-onist Overlord

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My God that is depressing.

153 CriticalDragon1177  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 5:19:12pm

Charles Johnson

I just responded to Greenwald and refuted what he had to say about you. He may or may not listen through but at least one of his followers may see how wrong he is now.

154 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 5:22:10pm

re: #50 goddamnedfrank

LOL, my Mom went to high school with Squeaky.

My Daughter1 went to Sharon Tate’s highschool—Vicenza American.

155 makeitstop  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 5:24:31pm

re: #147 goddamnedfrank

Brewer originally said she wasn’t going to make a decision until Friday, which is what polls do when they want to minimize fallout. Could it be that the Hispanic National Bar Association announcement scared her into early action?

The rumors started that the Superb Owl was getting ready to move to Tampa Bay. That’s way bigger than any convention.

156 TedStriker  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 5:44:45pm

re: #23 monkeyfister

I’m so old, I remember when both Glenn AND Charles were both Republicans, so there!

Things between the two are getting a bit over-heated to no good end. Both are losing ground at this point when it comes to this stuff, IMhO.

Hmm, 8 posts in just under a year; looks like someone’s been keep their socks dry.

157 philosophus invidius  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 5:56:43pm

I find it ironic that she seems to think the FBI’s interest in a private citizen is good evidence of guilt.

158 philosophus invidius  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 6:01:15pm

I also find it ironic that a lawyer would think that it is obvious that when a judge says his ruling against Greenwald should not be construed as “an indictment as an unethical person” that this means that the judge is ruling that Greenwald is not unethical.

159 philosophus invidius  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 6:05:22pm

Further irony from the judge’s opinion:

Defendants also argue that modern technology and norms make the 1974 ABA opinion obsolete. The fact that recording conversations is much simpler and more pervasive now does not make it proper. If anything, it makes the need for this rule more compelling.

160 jonhendry  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 7:48:42pm

re: #55 wrenchwench

Sock account? I see her last tweet as 50 minutes ago. Here’s the most recent comment to her:

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Wow, that would be Louise Mensch, former UK Member of Parliament, her husband is, I believe, Metallica’s manager.

161 Ming  Wed, Feb 26, 2014 7:57:24pm

I’d never heard of Glenn Greenwald before the Snowden affair and its coverage in LGF. GG impresses me as a very angry man prone to sweeping and unfounded generalizations. I’m often struck by how mean-spirited his tweets are. Anyway, some LGF readers may enjoy this takedown of GG by Sam Harris.

I know Mr. Harris is controversial here at LGF. I myself have barely begun to read him. But whatever you think of Mr. Harris, you may enjoy his comments about GG. He invested a lot of time and energy, perhaps as a public service, and makes GG look very bad indeed.


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