Sunday Morning Open Thread

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Here’s an open thread for discussion of whatever’s going on. Apparently there’s something happening in Ukraine? The start of World War III or something like that?

But seriously, I doubt it’s going to come to a global thermonuclear war. At least, not today.

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352 comments
1 Kragar  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:00:52am
2 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:02:31am

Keep Marissa in your thoughts.

3 Political Atheist  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:02:34am

re: #1 Kragar

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Nice strawman Will. Said like Russia actually has no interests there.

4 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:02:44am

re: #1 Kragar

Deep thoughts.

5 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:05:20am
6 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:05:32am

And now Turkey wades in to the Ukraine standoff:

hurriyetdailynews.com

The top diplomat

[Turkish FM Davutoğlu]

said Russia’s strategic interests in Ukraine and Crimea should be recognized, but it was unacceptable that the internal balances of a sovereign state would be rearranged based on another state’s interests.

7 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:06:11am
8 chadu  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:06:37am
But seriously, I doubt it’s going to come to a global thermonuclear war. At least, not today.

Joshua: A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?

9 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:10:14am

re: #8 chadu

>Joshua: A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?

Youtube Video

10 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:10:41am

re: #6 Dr Lizardo

And now Turkey wades in to the Ukraine standoff:

hurriyetdailynews.com

[Turkish FM Davutoğlu]

Not surprising. They’ve been adjusting to the new reality in the region. Closer ties with Iran and Russia now that Assad is looking like he’s going to stick around a while they’re not going to be making problems for Syria.

11 Political Atheist  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:12:48am

Watching Game of Stones. The producers think us all pretty damn stupid. Long story short-They buy rough ruby in Cambodia. The stones will be heat treated, all perfectly normal. But in the big reveal in the heat treating shack- the stones are heat treated, and cut and polished. Not a peep about cutting being done.

WTF?!

12 Kragar  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:13:25am

re: #3 Political Atheist

Nice strawman Will. Said like Russia actually has no interests there.

Its almost as if reasons used in propaganda aren’t the same as the actual reasons.

13 chadu  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:14:05am

elephantjournal.com

Whitman on Lincoln: “I see the President almost every day … I see very plainly Abraham Lincoln’s dark brown face, with the deep-cut lines, the eyes, always to me with a deep latent sadness in the expression. We have got so that we exchange bows, and very cordial ones. … None of the artists or pictures has caught the deep, though subtle and indirect, expression of this man’s face. There is something else there. One of the great portrait painters of two or three centuries ago is needed.”

14 Political Atheist  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:14:45am

re: #12 Kragar

Its almost as if reasons used in propaganda aren’t the same as the actual reasons.

IMHO-These two things (Iraq II and Crimea) are not the same.

15 Lidane  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:14:59am

So what should he do, Lindsey? Nuke Moscow?

16 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:16:19am

re: #1 Kragar

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Oh, ferchrissakes. Obama didn’t invade Iraq.

Get ahold of yourself “Wil”.

17 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:17:00am
18 Kragar  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:17:07am

re: #14 Political Atheist

IMHO-These two things (Iraq II and Crimea) are not the same.

Which means no comparisons or observations comparing events between the two can ever be made?

19 Kragar  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:18:34am

I don’t think there is any real comparison between the two, but I can admit I see the irony in the statement made earlier.

20 Lidane  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:19:51am

Tucker Carlson is being his usual douche self:


While discussing political and racial discourse in the U.S. last Friday, Fox News host Tucker Carlson claimed that the federal government is guilty of a kind of reverse racism, making policy to favor people of color.

“The federal government takes sides and hands out spoils based on skin color,” Carlson claimed while speaking on the radio show of Alex Jones, conspiracy theorist and head of Infowars.com. Carlson expressed his disgust of the country’s previous segregation, and likened present-day “handouts” to the government “[taking] sides based on race” as it did in the past.

21 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:20:11am

re: #15 Lidane

So what should he do, Lindsey? Nuke Moscow?

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No matter what President Obama does, the GOP is gonna whine endlessly about it.

Here’s an exclusive preview of what American foreign policy would look like if the wingnuts get their way:

Youtube Video

22 chadu  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:20:24am

re: #15 Lidane

So what should he do, Lindsey? Nuke Moscow?

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23 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:21:14am

Opened my sliding door for the nice temp, and all I can hear is the gun nuts down the street firing some big weapon. Yeah, I know what a hunting rifle, what a handgun sound like. This is not those. And it sounds like multiple shots. Some kind of semi- or automatic.

24 Political Atheist  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:21:30am

re: #18 Kragar

Which means no comparisons or observations comparing events between the two can ever be made?

Oh no, just within the context of the tweet. Hopelessly distant comparison are weak. Again just my IMO. If he thinks a little he can find far more apt ways to take digs at our unwarranted invasion of Iraq. This just ain’t it.

25 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:21:56am

re: #20 Lidane

Tucker Carlson is being his usual douche self:

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Carlson doesn’t have a gig of his own these days?

26 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:23:59am
27 philosophus invidius  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:24:06am

re: #17 Charles Johnson

They forgot the best picture:

28 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:24:38am

bbl

29 Kragar  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:25:01am

re: #24 Political Atheist

Oh no, just within the context of the tweet. Hopelessly distant comparison are weak. Again just my IMO. If he thinks a little he can find far more apt ways to take digs at our unwarranted invasion of Iraq. This just ain’t it.

I can understand that.

30 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:27:30am

Afternoon lizards! My uncle’s bday is today and my aunt called to invite us over. I’m not sure if i should with an ice storm on the way plus i’m waiting for my artisan bread dough to rise (thanks Justanotherhuman!) .

31 jaunte  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:29:37am

re: #15 Lidane

He forgets that sometimes other nations can act without regard to Washington.

32 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:32:24am

Greenwald continues to run interference for the worst human rights violators in the world.

33 Kragar  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:32:30am

Did I wake up in a parallel universe?

34 Kragar  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:33:06am

re: #32 Charles Johnson

OK, same universe. Whew.

Crap.

35 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:34:21am

Christ almighty, seems somethin’ jumped up and bit me. I went from feelin’ stuffed up but otherwise alright this morning to three different shades of shit three hours later. Then again, it’s become tradition for me to catch at least one head cold or flu bug every winter. Now I just wish I could use this to convince the judge to get me out of jury duty next week. Ugh.

My grumbling aside, I invite any Republicans who think that there’s something that a “strong” president would do in this situation to address Putin to sit down together and watch “The Day After.” If you’re not crying or puking by the ending, then you have no fucking soul.

36 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:36:04am

This shit is getting scary.

37 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:36:17am

re: #33 Kragar

If you read the story, the headline’s pretty misleading. Chris Wallace didn’t “call out” Issa. He asked a question about the Washington Post fact check column giving Issa four Pinocchios, their “highest level of falsehood.”

Wallace was not accusing Issa of that at all.

38 Chrysicat  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:40:36am
39 Chrysicat  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:41:08am

re: #37 Charles Johnson

Ahhh. Sky still blue then. Kinda wish it hadn’t been.

40 jaunte  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:43:01am

re: #36 NJDhockeyfan

That station sign (circled) reads Słupsk
en.wikipedia.org
which is up on the Baltic.

41 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:43:21am

So, Putin is now taking this tack?

President Putin and Germany’s Merkel discuss Ukraine, Putin tells German leader there was threat of violence from ultranationalists - RIA via @Reuters
end of alert

Of course, RIA is a Russian state-run news agency…

42 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:43:40am
43 ObserverArt  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:44:00am

re: #19 Kragar

I don’t think there is any real comparison between the two, but I can admit I see the irony in the statement made earlier.

Just so long as the irony is backed up by the fact that it was all done under another administration and the way America works is two different administrations can have two totally different policies and outlooks.

Will seems to be leaving that out. Ahhh, there is the question? Just more political motivation than truths.

Like Lindsey Graham. I too wish Obama did something starting with a call to him and McCain up and remind them that he IS the fucking commander in Chief and they are doing nothing for America by trying to lessen his stature for cheap tea-dragging politics.

Funny how war hawks can be some of the less war-like in decorum and appearance, both very important things right now.

10/11/01 - Everybody behind George Bush no matter what…if you aren’t you aren’t an American.

01/20/09 - Hope and Change…everybody behind Obama…um, uh, is he an American? Sorry no can do…wouldn’t be good to be seen in support of anything.

44 Political Atheist  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:45:15am

re: #29 Kragar

Will implies via his irony we have no moral authority in this.
I think now with this President we do and have standing to object to harsh measures from Vlad. Not as anyone necessarily in charge. Simply commensurate with our interests along with our allies. IMHO his looks like a *soft power moment. Perhaps a test of western soft power.

*Caveat-Controversial term but on point.

45 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:46:40am

Statement on Ukraine: 2 March 2014

The Prime Minister remains gravely concerned about events in Ukraine and is determined to pursue all avenues to reduce tensions.

gov.uk

46 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:49:33am

In other words, don’t try invading from that point.

47 Lidane  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:50:06am
48 Political Atheist  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:50:56am

re: #42 Charles Johnson

Really tired of war drums. I guess keeping us out of ground wars in Libya, Egypt, and Syria just was all about being weak. ////

Isn’t that really the better resume? Obama will play this smart and calm.

49 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:52:02am

re: #46 Justanotherhuman

In other words, don’t try invading from that point.

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Perhaps the Ukrainians should consider setting up a tollbooth.

Youtube Video

50 RadicalModerate  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:52:16am

re: #12 Kragar

Its almost as if reasons used in propaganda aren’t the same as the actual reasons.

If you read the response thread to that, he actually is making the point that because the US lost credibility on the trumped-up Iraq invasion, it has the effect of making those type of actions more difficult to sell in current cases where those actions ARE fully justified.

51 blueraven  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:53:46am

re: #37 Charles Johnson

If you read the story, the headline’s pretty misleading. Chris Wallace didn’t “call out” Issa. He asked a question about the Washington Post fact check column giving Issa four Pinocchios, their “highest level of falsehood.”

Wallace was not accusing Issa of that at all.

True, he didn’t really “call him out”, but did make him answer the charge. I give Wallace props for being somewhat even handed (especially for FOX) when it comes to lying, slimy pols.

52 jvic  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:54:01am

re: #36 NJDhockeyfan

This shit is getting scary.

It’s still early for Edna St. Vincent Millay, but:

Apostrophe to Man

(on reflecting that the world is ready to go to war again)

Detestable race, continue to expunge yourself, die out.
Breed faster, crowd, encroach, sing hymns, build bombing airplanes;
Make speeches, unveil statues, issue bonds, parade;
Convert again into explosives the bewildered ammonia and the distracted cellulose;
Convert again into putrescent matter drawing flies
The hopeful bodies of the young; exhort,
Pray, pull long faces, be earnest, be all but overcome, be photographed;
Confer, perfect your formulae, commercialize
Becateria harmful to human tissue,
Put death on the market;
Breed, crowd, encroach, expand, expunge yourself, die out,
Homo called sapiens.

Twenty years ago I expected to live out my days without ever again pondering the insane calculus of Mutual Assured Destruction. Today, I’m not so sure.

53 bratwurst  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:56:05am
54 Lidane  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:56:33am

re: #48 Political Atheist

Really tired of war drums. I guess keeping us out of ground wars in Libya, Egypt, and Syria just was all about being weak. ////

Isn’t that really the better resume? Obama will play this smart and calm.

You’re talking about the same right wing warhawks that can have a mancrush on Putin while desperately wanting the US to crush The Soviets in WW3.

55 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:56:43am

No worry, just ‘routine’…

56 EmmaAnne  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:57:30am

re: #1 Kragar

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I guess this resonates more for me than for the rest of you. I don’t see this as Wil saying that the U.S. has no moral authority (or anything about Obama). I see it as, yeah, bitter irony. The mood feels very much like the lead up to Iraq. The laying out of justifications and trumped up evidence. The strutting around and the fawning propaganda. I wonder if the Russians are sitting around congratulating themselves for “creating their own reality.”

57 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:58:21am

re: #55 NJDhockeyfan

No worry, just ‘routine’…

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LOLOLOL

I’m old enough to detect bullshit when I smell it, no matter whether it’s Russian, American, Polish, or anything else.

58 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 11:58:22am
59 Lidane  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:01:22pm
60 jaunte  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:03:06pm
61 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:07:32pm

re: #57 Dr Lizardo

LOLOLOL

I’m old enough to detect bullshit when I smell it, no matter whether it’s Russian, American, Polish, or anything else.

If I recall Russia called their movement of troops toward Crimea a routine training exercise the other day and nobody bought that either.

62 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:10:19pm

PBS Video

63 allegro  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:10:24pm

It’s like watching a game of chicken. Who is going to swerve?

64 b.d.  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:12:00pm

re: #63 allegro

It’s like watching a game of chicken. Who is going to swerve?

Chicken Kiev?

65 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:13:56pm
66 jaunte  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:13:57pm

Ukrainian parliament appeals to Budapest Memorandum signatories

Memorandum on Security Assurances in Connection with Ukraine’s Accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapon Ukraine, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America:
msz.gov.pl

67 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:14:31pm

re: #63 allegro

It’s like watching a game of chicken. Who is going to swerve?

As I’ve been saying, Poland is the wild card in this. Combined that with Article 5 of the NATO treaty (All for one, one for all) and you have a very dangerous mess right now that is eerily like the call ups of 1914 but still before the guns started shooting in August. It would be really stupid if a corrupt puppet losing his job became the equal to June 28, 1914…

68 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:16:18pm

re: #67 William Barnett-Lewis

As I’ve been saying, Poland is the wild card in this. Combined that with Article 5 of the NATO treaty (All for one, one for all) and you have a very dangerous mess right now that is eerily like the call ups of 1914 but still before the guns started shooting in August. It would be really stupid if a corrupt puppet losing his job became the equal to June 28, 1914…

Archduke Franz Ferdinand Viktor Yanukovych.

69 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:18:31pm

re: #65 NJDhockeyfan

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NATO: We call on Russia to honor all commitments to withdraw its force to bases and to refrain from any interference elsewhere in Ukraine.

That’s the redline right there.

70 lawhawk  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:30:04pm


The GOP will complain if President Obama leads us into a war over Ukraine, or steers us away. They will complain, regardless of the actions taken, the constraints on the President to act, and logic and reasoning. They will ignore that keeping the US out of a potentially disastrous conflict might be a good thing, even if it sucks for Ukrainians and Crimeans because the Russians aren’t Iraqis, Afghanistanis, or anyone that the Russians have used as proxies.

The GOP will complain, even it is exactly what they would have done in the same situation (and the analogy to South Ossetia can’t be disregarded).

They will complain because it’s President Obama.

Still, there are some possibilities for action that could be proposed that might be useful.

71 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:32:54pm
72 Political Atheist  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:32:59pm

BTW for those who do small figures and those who do or enjoy jewelry I got to meet and interview a guy who does both. Paged. Including an image of the whole gold chess set.

73 jaunte  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:34:06pm

re: #70 lawhawk

Syrians disappointed since at least 1948, possibly before.

74 Skip Intro  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:34:53pm

As we wait to see if WWIII is about to happen, let’s not completely forget about local politics.

I’m thinking that the brilliant Russian mind of Dr. Taitz, Esq, might be just the thing we need to bring things under control.

75 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:37:23pm

Uh oh…Now they’ve done it. Shit is getting serious…

76 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:38:34pm

Yikes! My grandson just installed a 22” TV for my monitor. He has to order a cable to make it HD, though. It’s yuge. : ) Now he’s telling me I might get the 24” instead…he’s experimenting.

Meanwhile, what to think about this development.

Oligarchs step in to save Ukraine’s sovereignty

kyivpost.com

“Igor Kolomoisky, the controversial billionaire owner of PrivatBank, was appointed to head Dnipropetrovsk Oblast and Serhiy Taruta, the owner of the Industrial Union of Donbass, is taking over the Donetsk Oblast administration. Acting President Olekandr Turchynov made the appointments on March 2.

“Other oligarchs have been approached by government envoys with offers to take charge of other potentially troublesome regions since the rise of separatist sentiments in eastern and southern Ukraine, heated up by Russia’s ongoing invasion of Crimea, which began on Feb. 27. Some of them have already refused the offers.

“Ukraine’s oligarchs, who own much of Ukraine’s industrial economy, have always exerted their influence on government, but running the government would give them more direct responsibilities and power.”

77 jaunte  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:39:21pm

Power derp.

78 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:39:52pm

re: #75 NJDhockeyfan

Uh oh…Now they’ve done it. Shit is getting serious…

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Release the Kraken!!

79 chadu  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:40:26pm

LUNCH

1. Boil water; steep some tea bags; boil pasta in tea.
2. Make bag o’ beef and broccoli.
3. Mix.
4. Add paprika, black pepper, Tabasco, soy sauce, and Worcestershire sauce for MOAR FLAVA!

Nom!

80 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:43:43pm

re: #78 Dr Lizardo

>Release the Kraken!!

And Return the Slab!

81 chadu  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:44:00pm

re: #54 Lidane

You’re talking about the same right wing warhawks that can have a mancrush on Putin while desperately wanting the US to crush The Soviets in WW3.

QFT.

82 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:44:03pm
83 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:44:09pm

re: #80 Justanotherhuman

And Return the Slab!

SLAB HARDCHEESE!!

84 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:44:43pm

re: #77 jaunte

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Power derp.

John Bolton proving that it’s possible to hate someone more than Dick Cheney .

85 chadu  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:45:44pm

re: #56 EmmaAnne

I guess this resonates more for me than for the rest of you. I don’t see this as Wil saying that the U.S. has no moral authority (or anything about Obama). I see it as, yeah, bitter irony. The mood feels very much like the lead up to Iraq. The laying out of justifications and trumped up evidence. The strutting around and the fawning propaganda. I wonder if the Russians are sitting around congratulating themselves for “creating their own reality.”

Yeah, but I don’t feel like it’s the Administration do that this time, rather the RWNJ media, pundits, and the Congresscritters That Lurve Them.

86 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:46:04pm

re: #84 Iwouldprefernotto

John Bolton proving that it’s possible to hate someone more than Dick Cheney .

You could always ask him about Plato’s Retreat, though. : )

87 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:46:26pm

Russian TV ratchets up rhetoric on Ukraine

Framed against the background of massed Russian flags at a pro-Moscow demonstration in Crimea and the caption “We don’t give up our own”, Kiselev said that it was “impossible not to respond to this challenge”.

“This is not even Syria, it is simply us,” he declared.

Reports from the eastern Ukrainian cities of Donetsk and Kharkiv reinforced the message. Crowds were shown chanting “Russia, Russia”, waving Russian flags and sporting the ribbons of St George, a military symbol associated with Russia’s annual Victory Day celebrations on 9 May.

Back in Moscow and St Petersburg, there were also large gatherings in support of Putin’s stance on Ukraine.

“This is a personal matter for all of us. It is an historic moment, when our common energy is the key to victory,” Mr Kiselev intoned.

I don’t think Russia is going to stop with Crimea.

88 Lidane  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:48:16pm
89 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:49:38pm

re: #69 Dr Lizardo

That’s the redline right there.

I wouldn’t say that. Even things that are directly called “redlines” aren’t necessarily red lines. I don’t think there will be even serious thought about repercussions unless the Russians expand beyond Ukraine. I’m pretty sure we’re resigned to letting the Russians take as much of the country as they want.

90 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:51:45pm

re: #87 Killgore Trout

Russian TV ratchets up rhetoric on Ukraine

I don’t think Russia is going to stop with Crimea.

91 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:51:45pm

re: #89 Killgore Trout

I wouldn’t say that. Even things that are directly called “redlines” aren’t necessarily red lines. I don’t think there will be even serious thought about repercussions unless the Russians expand beyond Ukraine. I’m pretty sure we’re resigned to letting the Russians take as much of the country as they want.

I disagree, respectfully. It’s just my gut instinct telling me. War fever is being ramped up in this part of the world. Anti-Russian sentiment is increasing - and it was pretty strong to begin with.

The underlying message I’m seeing is; We must liberate Ukraine from under the boot of the hated Russians.

92 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:52:44pm

re: #90 NJDhockeyfan

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lol. The bus looks empty.

93 jaunte  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:53:42pm

re: #92 Killgore Trout

Short Russian citizens flee Ukraine.

94 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:53:57pm

re: #92 Killgore Trout

lol. The bus looks empty.

You’re right, and not only empty, but a German tour bus as well.

95 Kragar  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:55:08pm

re: #87 Killgore Trout

Lots of reminiscing over the “Glory Days” under Stalin and Khrushchev.

96 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:56:03pm

re: #91 Dr Lizardo

I disagree, respectfully. It’s just my gut instinct telling me. War fever is being ramped up in this part of the world. Anti-Russian sentiment is increasing - and it was pretty strong to begin with.

The underlying message I’m seeing is; We must liberate Ukraine from under the boot of the hated Russians.

I’m not seeing it. Who’s going to do the actual fighting? The Ukrainian military might put up a fight but they’d be quickly crushed. The Poles are moving military gear around but they aren’t going to go into Ukraine because of NATO restrictions. I think it’s very unlikely NATO is going to engage the Russians. US certainly isn’t. What scenarios are you thinking might be possible?

97 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:57:22pm

Chubarov: Russian invasion of Crimea is threat to world peace, security

kyivpost.com

“Russia’s invason (sic) of Crimea poses a new challenge to Ukraine’s Tatars, an indigenous ethnic minority on the peninsula that returned to the nation in the 1980s after their deportation in the early 1940s by Soviet dictator Josef Stalin.

“Refat Chubarov, chairman of the Mejlis, the representative body of Crimean Tatars, says he is afraid that Russians will accuse the ethnic group of being a threat to ethnic Russians. So he is asking Tatars to minimize their time in public and avoid confrontations.

“Some Tatars, however, have done the opposite and formed their own self-defense units that patrol streets. These civic guards are unarmed and are multinational. “Their main task is to prevent provocations,” Chubarov said. “

98 Good Morning  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:57:49pm

I don’t get it? Ukraine doesn’t have any oil. Maybe people misunderstood? it’s sunflower oil they produce. Sunflower isn’t the name of an oil company, it’s a plant. Not an energy plant, you know a plant like roses or tomatoes or grass.

99 Lidane  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:58:30pm

From the Stating the Obvious files:


Of course, considering all the jabbering morans online and in DC who want us to immediately go to war with Russia, stating the obvious is a wise choice.

100 lawhawk  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:59:27pm
101 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 12:59:39pm

re: #90 NJDhockeyfan

102 blueraven  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:00:31pm

re: #89 Killgore Trout

I wouldn’t say that. Even things that are directly called “redlines” aren’t necessarily red lines. I don’t think there will be even serious thought about repercussions unless the Russians expand beyond Ukraine. I’m pretty sure we’re resigned to letting the Russians take as much of the country as they want.

eyeroll

103 Kragar  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:00:35pm

re: #98 Good Morning

I don’t get it? Ukraine doesn’t have any oil. Maybe people misunderstood? it’s sunflower oil they produce. Sunflower isn’t the name of an oil company, it’s a plant. Not an energy plant, you know a plant like roses or tomatoes or grass.

104 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:01:06pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

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heh

105 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:01:23pm

re: #96 Killgore Trout

I’m not seeing it. Who’s going to do the actual fighting? The Ukrainian military might put up a fight but they’d be quickly crushed. The Poles are moving military gear around but they aren’t going to go into Ukraine because of NATO restrictions. I think it’s very unlikely NATO is going to engage the Russians. US certainly isn’t. What scenarios are you thinking might be possible?

It’s taking on the dimensions of a crusade. Today, the former Foreign Minister and current Foreign Affairs Parliamentary Chairman - an extremely well-respected man here - straight up said, “Putin=Hitler”.

I think it’s entirely possible that Poland is a wild card. I honestly don’t know what they’d do, but my gut instinct tells me they’ll do something, particularly if Russia starts rolling towards Lviv.

Attitudes are hardening rapidly here in the eastern quarters of Central Europe, economics be damned. Like I said, it’s just my gut instinct, but I can ‘feel it in my bones’ - something big is about to go down.

106 aagcobb  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:02:03pm

re: #6 Dr Lizardo

And now Turkey wades in to the Ukraine standoff:

hurriyetdailynews.com

[Turkish FM Davutoğlu]

Another bit of irony (see: Cyprus).

107 chadu  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:02:58pm

re: #100 lawhawk

Flaw in that reasoning, because it’s totes different: the GOP isn’t criticizing Bush in a crisis today.

108 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:03:08pm

re: #106 aagcobb

Another bit of irony (see: Cyprus).

LOLOL

Yeah, I noticed that as well.

109 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:03:20pm
110 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:03:28pm

re: #19 Kragar

I don’t think there is any real comparison between the two, but I can admit I see the irony in the statement made earlier.

Lots of points of comparison:

1) “Because I can.”

111 chadu  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:03:52pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, they’re like Fox News and those Million Nutjob Marches?

112 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:04:36pm

re: #105 Dr Lizardo

It’s taking on the dimensions of a crusade. Today, the former Foreign Minister and current Foreign Affairs Parliamentary Chairman - an extremely well-respected man here - straight up said, “Putin=Hitler”.

I think it’s entirely possible that Poland is a wild card. I honestly don’t know what they’d do, but my gut instinct tells me they’ll do something, particularly if Russia starts rolling towards Lviv.

Attitudes are hardening rapidly here in the eastern quarters of Central Europe, economics be damned. Like I said, it’s just my gut instinct, but I can ‘feel it in my bones’ - something big is about to go down.

I guess it’s possible. I’ve been trying to keep a distinction between “can’t” do anything and “won’t” do anything. I’m sure there’s some stuff that could be done if the right people step up to the plate. We’ll see soon enough.

113 Belafon  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:05:44pm

re: #36 NJDhockeyfan

If were going to talk about memory, Poland’s got a few with Russia. This is not some abstract academic exercise that happens “over there.”

ETA:

re: #55 NJDhockeyfan

Isn’t that what Russia said a few days ago.

114 chadu  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:06:01pm

re: #109 NJDhockeyfan

What a bunch of fucknuts.

115 jaunte  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:06:18pm

Mark Adomanis, Forbes:

“The economic costs to Russia will also be severe. The Moscow stock market is going to get absolutely clobbered when it opens tomorrow, and many foreign investors are going to bolt for the exits as quickly as they can.
……
Russia’s economy has already been slowing down for the past several quarters, and the absolute last thing that it needs at the moment is a huge acceleration in capital flight. The ruble is also going to suffer, and while a cheaper ruble could eventually be good for domestic manufacturers in the short term a much weaker ruble is likely to spark inflation (perhaps cause the Central Bank to raise interest rates).”
forbes.com

116 TedStriker  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:07:15pm

re: #24 Political Atheist

Oh no, just within the context of the tweet. Hopelessly distant comparison are weak. Again just my IMO. If he thinks a little he can find far more apt ways to take digs at our unwarranted invasion of Iraq. This just ain’t it.

re: #56 EmmaAnne

I guess this resonates more for me than for the rest of you. I don’t see this as Wil saying that the U.S. has no moral authority (or anything about Obama). I see it as, yeah, bitter irony. The mood feels very much like the lead up to Iraq. The laying out of justifications and trumped up evidence. The strutting around and the fawning propaganda. I wonder if the Russians are sitting around congratulating themselves for “creating their own reality.”

I have to say, I agree with Wil on this…from what I’m reading from his tweets is that George W. Bush and his seconds burnt up a lot of US credibility in the run-up to Iraq War 2 (and what came out during and after the fact). Now, that Putin is taking a few pages from that playbook in regards to Ukraine and Crimea, anything President Obama or Secretary Kerry says or does is going to be met with derision and incredulity by the Russians and is going to be run through the filter of the Bush cockups by everyone else.

Right or wrong, it’s completely FUBAR.

117 Bubblehead II  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:07:31pm

re: #98 Good Morning

I don’t get it? Ukraine doesn’t have any oil. Maybe people misunderstood? it’s sunflower oil they produce. Sunflower isn’t the name of an oil company, it’s a plant. Not an energy plant, you know a plant like roses or tomatoes or grass.

Might not have much oil but they do have the potential to be a major supplier of Natural Gas.

Ukraine signs $10 billion shale gas deal with Chevron

“The agreements with Shell and Chevron … will enable us to have full sufficiency in gas by 2020 and, under an optimistic scenario, even enable us to export energy,” President Viktor Yanukovich told investors shortly before the signing.

118 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:07:44pm

re: #103 Kragar

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Let’s see: “How could a weak, disorganized regime with modest firepower, but control of the terrain, exert force on far more massive nations?”

119 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:07:48pm

re: #96 Killgore Trout

What is your analysis of Russia vs. the Ukrainian military based on? I’m assuming this is sourced from your colon.

120 chadu  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:08:17pm

re: #118 Decatur Deb

Let’s see: “How could a weak, disorganized regime with modest firepowe,r but control of the terrain, exert force on far more massive nations?”

121 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:08:42pm

re: #112 Killgore Trout

I guess it’s possible. I’ve been trying to keep a distinction between “can’t” do anything and “won’t” do anything. I’m sure there’s some stuff that could be done is the right people step up to the plate. We’ll see soon enough.

You’re right; we’ll see soon enough.

I really do wish I could explain it better; but the only phrases that come to mind are “gut instinct” or “Spidey-sense”. It’s that feeling we all get, usually, just before the shit hits the fan.

Partially based on what I’m observing around me, but also just something innate. Like that little internal voice that says, “Hold on to your butts” and sounds like Samuel L. Jackson.

122 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:13:09pm
123 Flounder  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:15:02pm

re: #119 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Now why would you say Killgore is pulling shit from his ass?

124 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:16:01pm

re: #122 NJDhockeyfan

Moscow MT @lauraphylmills guy holds up a blank piece of poster paper at anti-invasion protest, immediately detained

Held incommunicado.

125 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:18:47pm

Uh oh…

126 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:19:04pm
127 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:22:42pm

This is a very difficult time for me. For the past year my dad has been in and out of a nursing home because of a hernia repair operation. This afternoon was the first time I saw him in that time. It was wishful thinking that he would go home to his house and recover. What I saw today was a man who is a shadow of his former self. He was under the impression that I was injured. I told him I had no injuries and that I am okay. I got one of my co-workers who is a lay minister to take me there. Prayers were said and dad and I talked. I am a little shaken by what I have seen but life goes on. I would also take the time right now to thank my fellow Lizards for what you have done for me. I have no idea how long my dad will live but I know I have people who I can talk to and share thoughts.

128 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:23:20pm
129 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:25:36pm

re: #125 NJDhockeyfan

Uh oh…

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The BBC video from earlier showed the “breaking into” the base but it was really just the electrical station. I suppose that’s all they needed at the time.

130 Political Atheist  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:25:49pm

re: #127 PhillyPretzel

{{{Philly}}} Wishing the best for you and yours

131 CuriousLurker  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:26:34pm

re: #127 PhillyPretzel

{{{{PhillyPretzel}}}}

132 Lidane  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:27:27pm

re: #109 NJDhockeyfan

133 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:28:10pm

re: #130 Political Atheist

re: #131 CuriousLurker

Thanks. It is a bit of a shock to see my dad look like his father, but I will get over it and go on.

134 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:28:39pm

Russian PM Medvedev warns Ukraine’s new leaders they won’t last

Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said on Facebook on Sunday that Ukraine’s leaders had seized power illegally, and predicted their rule would end with “a new revolution” and new bloodshed.

135 chadu  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:30:30pm

136 Lidane  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:30:46pm
137 Lidane  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:31:44pm

re: #135 chadu

138 TedStriker  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:33:40pm

re: #15 Lidane

So what should he do, Lindsey? Nuke Moscow?

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As I said in a thread a few days ago, the only way that RWNJs can get a hard-on these days is sending our troops out to die, even for suspect and specious reasons; Graham’s pandering to them so he can keep his job, which is about as craven and spineless as you can get.

139 CuriousLurker  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:34:25pm

re: #133 PhillyPretzel

Thanks. It is a bit of a shock to see my dad look like his father, but I will get over it and go on.

Yes, seeing a parent look fragile and suddenly being hit over the head with the realization that they’re mortal can be a shocker. They’re such important figures to us… we tend to forget that they’re not superheros who’ll always be there.

140 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:35:52pm

re: #139 CuriousLurker

Very true. Even my step-mother said that one of his regrets is that he realizes he should have treated me a little better. I will accept it at face value.

141 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:36:07pm

This is a truly sorry turn of events.

God curse and damn all warmongers.

142 aagcobb  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:36:50pm

re: #138 TedStriker

As I said in a thread a few days ago, the only way that RWNJs can get a hard-on these days is sending our troops out to die; Graham’s pandering to them so he can keep his job.

This is one of those occasions when its nice to have Rand Paul’s dovish views on the Right, keeping in mind he is so wrong about so many other things.

143 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:36:56pm

re: #127 PhillyPretzel

(((PP))))

So sorry.

144 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:39:05pm

re: #143 Stanley Sea

It will be difficult but I would like to remember the guy who had the sharp political insight and complained that I did not do enough on my own.

145 kirkspencer  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:39:10pm

re: #96 Killgore Trout

I’m not seeing it. Who’s going to do the actual fighting? The Ukrainian military might put up a fight but they’d be quickly crushed. The Poles are moving military gear around but they aren’t going to go into Ukraine because of NATO restrictions. I think it’s very unlikely NATO is going to engage the Russians. US certainly isn’t. What scenarios are you thinking might be possible?

OK, let’s pull some actual numbers here.

The Ukrainian ground forces are about 1/4 the size (numbers of personnel and equipment) those of Russia. The equipment they have is comparable - Ukraine used to be the jewel of the nation both because it was a staging area for WWIII and because it was one of the wealthier nations in the USSR. It didn’t lose its wealth in the breakup, and felt it necessary to maintain the strength to stand up to Russia (more or less) since the breakup.

4:1 sounds like a huge difference but Russia cannot afford to go all in. It’s got too many fires in too many places. It can probably run 2:1 for a while, 3:2 for a few months, and 1:1 if things go more than six months. One of the factors in that is that if the conflict extends a large number of people currently considered inactive reserve and civilian would be joining the ranks.

Russia’s Big Advantage is in airpower. Russia has ten times the aircraft pretty much regardless of type under consideration. They are going to attain general air superiority and will almost always have local as well. Their concern is those ground forces as anti-air ground forces is a big deal in ex-soviet forces. Something about dealing with the wests’ air superiority advantage. Rephrased, it’s something for which both armies trained.

The Ukranians have a massive and obvious logistical advantage for their forces. Russian forces crushing them is possible but should not be considered a give-away position.

146 Lidane  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:39:18pm

re: #139 CuriousLurker

Yes, seeing a parent look fragile and suddenly being hit over the head with the realization that they’re mortal can be a shocker. They’re such important figures to us… we tend to forget that they’re not superheros who’ll always be there.

Tell me about it. When I first saw my mother at the time she was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s, it broke my heart. She was severely underweight and such a far cry from the strong, vibrant woman I’d known growing up. The last 3 1/2 years of seeing her slowly forget who she is, who I am and everything else has been incredibly hard.

Seeing the fragility of your parents is never fun.

147 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:40:12pm

So, the next time any Lizards find themselves in Turkey, now you can go and check out some recently unearthed Roman ruins, which will soon be open to the public.

A two-way 60-meter ancient Roman road, which was unearthed in the north of İzmir’s ancient site Agora, has been opened to visits. Tourists who come to Agora after the tourism season begins will be able to enter the ancient city through this road.

hurriyetdailynews.com

148 CuriousLurker  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:40:29pm

Also, hugs to {{{everyone who spilled their guts}}} in the overnight thread. ;)

Seriously, thanks for sharing—it serves as a reality check that reminds me I need to be kinder and more patient with people because I’m usually not aware of everything they might be dealing with IRL.

149 RealityBasedSteve  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:40:51pm

re: #72 Political Atheist

BTW for those who do small figures and those who do or enjoy jewelry I got to meet and interview a guy who does both. Paged. Including an image of the whole gold chess set.

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Wow… Just freaking WOW! I can’t even imagine doing stuff like that in my dreams. That person is what “ART” is, and that’s why I always just refer to my skills as “craftsman”.

Looks like we are in for a HARD icing tonight, up to an inch expected, along with snow. We’ve dodged everything else this year in terms of precip, so I guess it’s our time to carry the load.

On a plus side, the company I’m with has finished it’s move into the new location, and since they had ‘overbooked’ the classroom space available, I’m going to be teaching from home this week. (All of my students are from places other than Nashville, so they would be taking the class remote anyhow). Got a nice 36 inch white umbrella with a 300 watt equiv CFL sitting behind it so I’ll have good soft light on me. (Lord knows I need all the help I can get.)

RBS

150 b.d.  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:42:24pm

re: #127 PhillyPretzel

Sending warm thoughts your way PhillyPretzel

151 TedStriker  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:42:32pm

re: #149 RealityBasedSteve

Wow… Just freaking WOW! I can’t even imagine doing stuff like that in my dreams. That person is what “ART” is, and that’s why I always just refer to my skills as “craftsman”.

Looks like we are in for a HARD icing tonight, up to an inch expected, along with snow. We’ve dodged everything else this year in terms of precip, so I guess it’s our time to carry the load.

On a plus side, the company I’m with has finished it’s move into the new location, and since they had ‘overbooked’ the classroom space available, I’m going to be teaching from home this week. (All of my students are from places other than Nashville, so they would be taking the class remote anyhow). Got a nice 36 inch white umbrella with a 300 watt equiv CFL sitting behind it so I’ll have good soft light on me. (Lord knows I need all the help I can get.)

RBS

Keep that ice up there in Clarksville, because I don’t want any of it here in Nashville ;-P

152 Lidane  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:42:33pm
153 jc717  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:42:46pm

Although I generally don’t like the US acting as world police, I think that we should live up to our treaty obligations.
Ukraine gave up the nukes it inherited from the USSR in exchange for, among other things, certain security guarantees. We should live up to those treaty obligations. If we don’t, then next time a similar situation occurs, no one will believe us.

154 CuriousLurker  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:44:02pm

re: #146 Lidane

Alzheimer’s has to be one of the most brutal diseases out there. {{{Lidane}}}

155 b.d.  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:46:58pm

It was such a beautiful day up here in DFW on Friday that I shut off the AC at the office and opened up all of the windows.

This morning while watching the 24 degree sleeting weather it dawned on me that though we shut the windows, the AC remained in the off position.

I swung by the office before it got too nasty and turned on the heat in a not too warm office, they’ll thank me tomorrow AM when it is supposed to be 17 degrees.

156 RealityBasedSteve  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:47:33pm

re: #151 TedStriker

Keep that ice up there in Clarksville, because I don’t want any of it here in Nashville ;-P

It actually looks like the break line for ice vs rain is going to be around Ashland City, you guys probably just wet, us… Ice and Snow.

Doesn’t matter, I’ve got plenty of flour to make bread with (trying some new techniques for ‘no knead’ bread), plenty of protein in the fridge, and a couple of new recipes I want to try. One is a chicken braise with a basic chicken broth, but with Tomatillos diced into it it, and a chipotle or two diced in. Should be good.

RBS

157 Lidane  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:48:40pm
158 prairiefire  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:49:32pm

re: #155 b.d.

And the pipes have not burst.

159 urbanmeemaw  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:52:01pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Plus they probably perceive their target demo to be affluent, white exurban/suburban Tea Party Rethuglicans.

I get that vibe very strongly from my local propatainment outlets.

They are catering to their base, too.

160 b.d.  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 1:52:33pm

re: #158 prairiefire

And the pipes have not burst.

I guess there is that too!

I think I’ll consider myself a hero for turning on the heat rather than a moron for leaving it off in the first place.

//

161 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:01:51pm

re: #153 jc717

Although I generally don’t like the US acting as world police, I think that we should live up to our treaty obligations.
Ukraine gave up the nukes it inherited from the USSR in exchange for, among other things, certain security guarantees. We should live up to those treaty obligations. If we don’t, then next time a similar situation occurs, no one will believe us.

It’s not just a matter of the US, but of other countries, also, including Russia.

Russia has violated its treaty obligations in this instance.

162 urbanmeemaw  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:02:18pm

re: #127 PhillyPretzel

{{{Philly Pretzel}}}

163 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:04:47pm
164 RadicalModerate  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:05:01pm

re: #155 b.d.

It was such a beautiful day up here in DFW on Friday that I shut off the AC at the office and opened up all of the windows.

This morning while watching the 24 degree sleeting weather it dawned on me that though we shut the windows, the AC remained in the off position.

I swung by the office before it got too nasty and turned on the heat in a not too warm office, they’ll thank me tomorrow AM when it is supposed to be 17 degrees.

Yeah. The swing from 83 degrees on Saturday afternoon to 22 outside now - yes, a sixty-one degree swing in 24 hours.

165 thecommodore  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:06:01pm

re: #20 Lidane

Tucker Carlson is being his usual douche self:

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He actually went on Alex Jones’ show?

There go the remaining shreds of his credibility.

166 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:06:40pm

re: #165 thecommodore

He actually went on Alex Jones’ show?

There go the remaining shreds of his credibility.

Assuming facts not in evidence.

167 wrenchwench  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:07:23pm

re: #127 PhillyPretzel

{{{PhillyP}}}

168 Lidane  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:08:24pm

The inevitable death of free labor unpaid internships marches on…

169 A Mom Anon  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:10:37pm

re: #127 PhillyPretzel

(((many hugs))) and good thoughts to you Philly. We are here for you.

170 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:12:34pm

re: #169 A Mom Anon

Thanks. :)

171 wrenchwench  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:16:53pm

After skimming the thread, I feel a compulsion to share my opinion that Wil Wheaton is a dudebro. And I say that as someone who actually likes Wesley Crusher. I’m not saying he was wrong in his recent comments, but IIRC, he’s an Assange supporter and a Manning fan, etc.

172 makeitstop  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:18:54pm

So, Susana Martinez’ gay hairstylist has given up the gig in opposition to Martinez’ stance on gay marriage.

One of my Facebook wingnuts posted the story, saying ‘What say you libs?’ I replied that it didn’t affect me in the least what a hairstylist in New Mexico does, to which he replied ‘So it only matters when conservatives refuse service? Gotcha.’

I pointed out that if she had resigned the job on religious grounds there may be a comparison.

It’s all about the ‘gotcha’ with these people.

173 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:20:02pm

Totally O/T but, wow…this is great!

The Secret Art of Dr. Seuss

174 A Mom Anon  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:21:25pm

re: #146 Lidane

Alzheimer’s is insidious, a truly horrible illness. (((Lidane)))

175 Flounder  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:23:09pm

re: #169 A Mom Anon

I responded to you this morning but you already dropped out. Try vitamin D, a lot of people (including me) are D deficient during the winter because of the lack of sun.

176 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:24:21pm

re: #170 PhillyPretzel

Thanks. :)

More hugs and best wishes for your dad. : )

177 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:24:26pm
178 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:27:43pm

Russian forces are storming Ukrainian ammunition stores in Sevastopol area, says @ukrpravda_news

179 Belafon  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:29:50pm

re: #172 makeitstop

So did Susan Martinez’s hair stylist stop doing her hair only or stop doing hair styles?

if the first, there is nothing wrong in refusing to do something for someone because of their actions. You just can’t choose to discriminate based on something the person has no control over.

If the second, then the hair stylist has chosen to not do it for anyone, and refusing everyone is a valid choice.

180 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:30:09pm

Holy hell.

181 wrenchwench  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:33:40pm

re: #172 makeitstop

So, Susana Martinez’ gay hairstylist has given up the gig in opposition to Martinez’ stance on gay marriage.

One of my Facebook wingnuts posted the story, saying ‘What say you libs?’ I replied that it didn’t affect me in the least what a hairstylist in New Mexico does, to which he replied ‘So it only matters when conservatives refuse service? Gotcha.’

I pointed out that if she had resigned the job on religious grounds there may be a comparison.

It’s all about the ‘gotcha’ with these people.

Wasn’t that like four years ago? And the stylist was a gay man, unless this has happened again….

182 Belafon  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:34:49pm

re: #155 b.d.

These large swings here in Rockwall are kind of hard for the heat pump to keep up with.

183 Political Atheist  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:35:56pm

re: #171 wrenchwench

After skimming the thread, I feel a compulsion to share my opinion that Wil Wheaton is a dudebro. And I say that as someone who actually likes Wesley Crusher. I’m not saying he was wrong in his recent comments, but IIRC, he’s an Assange supporter and a Manning fan, etc.

I had no idea of his Dudebro thing. Oh well one could say his acting is better than his politics…
*ducks*

184 KiTA  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:36:23pm

Fertilized my carnivorous plants right before work this morning. I love this Maxsea fertilizer, it was developed for the Californian pot industry but when diluted 1/4th strength it’s the only fertilizer that doesn’t kill Carnivorous Plants. Works great on them, too - but only as a foliar spray. Since their leaves are designed to absorb nutrients it works doubletime for them.

Still no strikes on my Drosera Filiformis ‘Florida Red’ seed, but the Drosera Aliciae and Drosera Intermedia (Cuban Form) are sprouting like mad. Aliciae is remaining small (I’m a bit worried about it to be honest, the growth conditions might not be ideal) but Intermedia is definitely taking off.

In another 2-4 weeks I’ll be able to take the Venus Flytraps and Sarracenia (American Pitcher Plants) out of the fridge for spring. Plan on putting one of each in the grow rack and the rest on the porch. Apparently the USDA reclassified Twin Falls, ID as Zone 6B, which is up from 5A. VFTs grow natively in 8A, but 6B might just be warm enough to be able to keep them outside all winter this year. We’ll have to see.

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

Totally O/T but, wow…this is great!

The Secret Art of Dr. Seuss

My favorite Dr. Seuss book is “The Seven Ladies Godiva,” his “adult” book that he made to shut his publisher up. It’s… I think meant to be perverse, but it comes across as completely absurd.

185 Bubblehead II  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:37:33pm

re: #184 KiTA

Shouldn’t you be at work or something? :-)

186 Belafon  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:38:12pm

re: #183 Political Atheist

I think one of the hardest things to do is to keep from reducing the world so something that will fit on a bumper sticker or tweet.

187 Political Atheist  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:41:21pm

re: #184 KiTA

Fertilized my carnivorous plants right before work this morning. I love this Maxsea fertilizer, it was developed for the Californian pot industry but when diluted 1/4th strength it’s the only fertilizer that doesn’t kill Carnivorous Plants. Works great on them, too - but only as a foliar spray. Since their leaves are designed to absorb nutrients it works doubletime for them.

Still no strikes on my Drosera Filiformis ‘Florida Red’ seed, but the Drosera Aliciae and Drosera Intermedia (Cuban Form) are sprouting like mad. Aliciae is remaining small (I’m a bit worried about it to be honest, the growth conditions might not be ideal) but Intermedia is definitely taking off.

In another 2-4 weeks I’ll be able to take the Venus Flytraps and Sarracenia (American Pitcher Plants) out of the fridge for spring. Plan on putting one of each in the grow rack and the rest on the porch. Apparently the USDA reclassified Twin Falls, ID as Zone 6B, which is up from 5A. VFTs grow natively in 8A, but 6B might just be warm enough to be able to keep them outside all winter this year. We’ll have to see.

Dragon_Lady says to mention she just divided a pinguicula, aka butterwort. One carnivorous flower in there with 200 orchids more or less. Do you have one of those?

188 Gus  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:43:33pm

re: #1 Kragar

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Damn. This man’s a genius. I only saw this repeated in dozens of different forms on Twitter today.

189 Political Atheist  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:43:42pm

re: #186 Belafon

I think one of the hardest things to do is to keep from reducing the world so something that will fit on a bumper sticker or tweet.

Especially in a media environment as Charles was tweeting about earlier. The worst gets rewarded.

190 KiTA  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:44:00pm

re: #185 Bubblehead II

Shouldn’t you be at work or something? :-)

No, I should be asleep getting ready for drop tonight. :P

Here’s some light reading for ya:
gaming.nv.gov

Summary:
* Butterfly, 93, etc keys are now to be considered restricted (or… not?)
* Limited to employee use inside the proper building only
* Butterfly, 93, etc keys to be Inventoried quarterly
* Regular checks to ensure guests aren’t using these keys on machines.

We’re all kinda waiting on IA to tell us what all we have to change.

This is also related:
reviewjournal.com

The BV Whisperer might like that one, heh.

191 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:44:31pm
192 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:45:39pm
193 makeitstop  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:47:13pm

re: #179 Belafon

So did Susan Martinez’s hair stylist stop doing her hair only or stop doing hair styles?

if the first, there is nothing wrong in refusing to do something for someone because of their actions. You just can’t choose to discriminate based on something the person has no control over.

If the second, then the hair stylist has chosen to not do it for anyone, and refusing everyone is a valid choice.

He (I may have incorrectly identified her hairdresser as a woman earlier) has stopped doing Martinez’ hair, but appears to still be in the business.

194 Gus  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:47:14pm

Oh God. He’s just some actor that played one of the worst characters on Star Trek TNG. Never mind. Who cares.

195 Gus  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:48:59pm

The USA was built on the invasion of North America which required the extermination of millions of American Indians later leading to concentration camps for the original native people. We should probably stop everything and kill ourselves now.

196 makeitstop  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:49:29pm

re: #181 wrenchwench

Wasn’t that like four years ago? And the stylist was a gay man, unless this has happened again….

You’re right. My Facebook wingnut has apparently dug up a years-old story in order to catch liberal ol’ me in a ‘gotcha’ moment. And yes, the hairdresser in question was a he.

Someday I will learn to look at dates on news stories, I promise. :)

197 wrenchwench  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:52:30pm

bbl

198 KiTA  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:55:12pm

re: #187 Political Atheist

Dragon_Lady says to mention she just divided a pinguicula, aka butterwort. One carnivorous flower in there with 200 orchids more or less. Do you have one of those?

I have 3 Pings:

Pinguicula Gigantea, the Mexican Giant Butterwort
Pinguicula ‘Titan’, a Cultivar
Pinguicula ‘Yucca Do 1713’, a mystery plant from the Yucca Do nursery in Mexico. It is likely P. Esseriana based on the shape, color, and flowers.

Most of my carnivorous plants are sundews. Pings are great companion plants to Orchids, as they grow in much the same conditions but eat bugs. I believe that Pinguicula ‘Weser’ and Pinguicula ‘Sethos’ were specifically bred to be grown with Orchids and have Orchid-like flowers.

cpphotofinder.com
cpphotofinder.com

199 Gus  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:55:48pm

The bitter irony of a nation that 11 times already said a nation should not take preemptive action before consulting with the UN.

200 EmmaAnne  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:56:14pm

re: #85 chadu

Yeah, but I don’t feel like it’s the Administration do that this time, rather the RWNJ media, pundits, and the Congresscritters That Lurve Them.

I was referring to Putin and his minions regarding the strutting and trumping up. Now that you mention the RWNJs though …

201 Bubblehead II  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:56:19pm

re: #190 KiTA

No, I should be asleep getting ready for drop tonight. :P

Here’s some light reading for ya:
gaming.nv.gov

Summary:
* Butterfly, 93, etc keys are now to be considered restricted (or… not?)
* Limited to employee use inside the proper building only
* Butterfly, 93, etc keys to be Inventoried quarterly
* Regular checks to ensure guests aren’t using these keys on machines.

We’re all kinda waiting on IA to tell us what all we have to change.

This is also related:
reviewjournal.com

The BV Whisperer might like that one, heh.

Good luck on that one. Expect we will be replacing resets switches to vendor specific (like ATI is) that will then be kept in the keywatcher along with the rest of the controlled keys.

BTW, let the rest of the team know the ribs are healing fine. No longer hurts as bad when I sneeze.

202 TedStriker  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 2:56:25pm

re: #194 Gus

Oh God. He’s just some actor that played one of the worst characters on Star Trek TNG. Never mind. Who cares.

What’s bugging you, Gus?

You’ve been in a bit of a snit the past day or so.

203 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 3:02:06pm
204 Amory Blaine  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 3:07:47pm

Expanding on an above tweet with the transmission line towers that look like giant people, they were a part of a contest and there are some other amazing designs that were in the contest.

205 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 3:08:32pm

I took the Italian Bread out of the oven.

206 sagehen  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 3:09:22pm

re: #205 Pie-onist Overlord

I took the Italian Bread out of the oven.
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I can smell it from here; but when I try to grab some, I just get a smudgy screen. Can you help with that?

207 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 3:09:43pm

re: #205 Pie-onist Overlord

Looks great and yummy.

208 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 3:10:32pm
209 thecommodore  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 3:11:17pm

re: #174 A Mom Anon

Alzheimer’s is insidious, a truly horrible illness. (((Lidane)))

My mom has dementia, thankfully not Alzheimer’s, but I’ve experienced much of what you’ve written.

210 CuriousLurker  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 3:11:53pm
211 b.d.  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 3:13:07pm

re: #205 Pie-onist Overlord

I took the Italian Bread out of the oven.
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Damn!

212 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 3:13:54pm

re: #211 b.d.

Damn!

No, that’s d-yumm…

213 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 3:13:56pm

214 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 3:15:24pm

HURR HURR!!!! GO RUSSIA!!!! CHEER CHEER RUSSIA 4EVS!!!! KISS KISS, UR BFF, GLENNIE!!!!!!!

215 thecommodore  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 3:15:55pm

re: #192 NJDhockeyfan

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MORE EMPTY THREATS FROM AN OBAMABOT!!!!!!!11TY

216 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 3:16:54pm

re: #213 Backwoods_Sleuth

That is a neat palindrome. thefreedictionary.com

217 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 3:19:05pm

Meanwhile Poland’s military is rushing to the Ukraine border…

And these appear to be Russians rolling through Ukraine…

218 b.d.  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 3:20:27pm

re: #214 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!! GO RUSSIA!!!! CHEER CHEER RUSSIA 4EVS!!!! KISS KISS, UR BFF, GLENNIE!!!!!!!

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Glenn has written all the pieces about Ukraine that Pierre has told him to.

//

219 Archangelus  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 3:24:30pm

re: #205 Pie-onist Overlord

I took the Italian Bread out of the oven.
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Apparently screen pixels don’t taste like tasty-looking bread at all…. crunchy though.. ;)

Seriously though, seeing homemade bread as fine as that makes me regret not having a properly working oven for the first time since I moved into my current apartment… as well as not having any baking skills worth a damn…

220 Bear  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 3:29:27pm

For your information in case you would like to know.
The Iditarod race has started. Nome here they come.

221 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 3:30:04pm

re: #210 CuriousLurker

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Twitter is a silly game.

You can either play the game and reap the reward of shallow pats on the back, or you can push the off button.

222 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 3:31:10pm

re: #220 Bear

For your information in case you would like to know.
The Iditarod race has started. Nome here they come.

Silly buggers.

223 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 3:34:21pm

For all their claims about how anti-war they are I looked at their twitter account to see what they are saying about what Russia is doing. Nothing, not one tweet, but lots of this shit.

Pink moonbats:

224 calochortus  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 3:35:17pm

re: #205 Pie-onist Overlord

Well thanks for reminding me I need to make hamburger buns and (perhaps unfortunately) I do have time to make them before I need the oven for dinner stuff.
I’ve been putting it off because they need to be gluten-free (for my husband) and are therefore a nuisance to make.
Yes, one can buy them, but store bought gluten-free baked goods tend to have the rich flavor and texture of cardboard. Sigh.

BBL

225 EmmaAnne  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 3:38:07pm

re: #171 wrenchwench

After skimming the thread, I feel a compulsion to share my opinion that Wil Wheaton is a dudebro. And I say that as someone who actually likes Wesley Crusher. I’m not saying he was wrong in his recent comments, but IIRC, he’s an Assange supporter and a Manning fan, etc.

Damn. Really? Maybe he will get better. I’ve always really liked him and his politics. And Wheaton’s Law, of course.

226 RealityBasedSteve  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 3:42:44pm

re: #205 Pie-onist Overlord

I took the Italian Bread out of the oven.
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I made some of my No-Knead bread, (variation on “Artisian Bread in 5 Minutes a day). Needed a bit more time uncovered (30 minutes covered in Dutch Oven, 15 uncovered), but the internal temp was high enough that I was concerned about it drying out. Next time I’ll pull the lid after 25.

Enjoy
Steve’s No-Knead Bread

RBS

227 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 3:46:17pm

re: #226 RealityBasedSteve

A smiling bear!

228 RealityBasedSteve  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 3:47:28pm

re: #227 Stanley Sea

A smiling bear!

ROFL…. and once you’ve said it, I can see it :)

RBS

229 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 3:50:11pm

I come here for the intelligent discourse on politics and music, I leave starving for bread and pies.

230 bratwurst  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 3:56:42pm

re: #229 b_sharp

I come here for the intelligent discourse on politics and music, I leave starving for bread and pies.

If you REALLY want to see people starving for bread and pies, check out the Oscar red carpet coverage!

231 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 3:57:28pm

Sleet haz arrived.

it beginz….

232 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 3:57:30pm

Evening all. Had a very strenuous weekend, hawking Obamacare at an AME church, then the first ‘mowing’ of the year. Scare quotes because the mowing was about sucking up a winter’s worth of pine needles and debris, not grass.

233 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 3:58:14pm

re: #230 bratwurst

If you REALLY want to see people starving for bread and pies, check out the Oscar red carpet coverage!

In the South, some are described as having ‘low bread pressure’.

234 Chrysicat  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 3:59:01pm

re: #230 bratwurst

Yeah, Hollywood really needs to get off that ‘no-carb’ kick… :-P

235 Aqua Obama  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:00:41pm

re: #56 EmmaAnne

The mood feels very much like the lead up to Iraq. The laying out of justifications and trumped up evidence. The strutting around and the fawning propaganda. I wonder if the Russians are sitting around congratulating themselves for “creating their own reality.”

What’s the Russian version of Freedom Fries?

I wonder if Iraq would have gone down if someone like Russia threatened WWIII over it. The run up to Iraq still feels very surreal and kind of an aberration. Like the whole Bush Presidency.

236 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:01:09pm

Russian lies, texts and videotapes.

237 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:02:57pm

re: #230 bratwurst

If you REALLY want to see people starving for bread and pies, check out the Oscar red carpet coverage!

LOL true.

Love Lupita though.

238 Aqua Obama  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:05:08pm

re: #236 Justanotherhuman

Russian lies, texts and videotapes.

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Hey, isn’t that Kiselev guy the person who said we should burn gay bodies or something? Something absolutely vile like that, I think.

239 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:05:19pm

“Shoot, if you must, this old gray head…”

240 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:07:29pm

If you reload the page, you’ll see a new feature when you click the following link — popup embedded Twitter timelines. This one shows the exchanges today between PandoDaily’s Paul Carr and the dynamic duo of Glenn Greenwald and Jeremy Scahill.

Tweets about “from:ggreenwald OR from:paulcarr OR from:jeremyscahill”

241 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:07:45pm

re: #239 Justanotherhuman

“Shoot, if you must, this old gray head…”

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There is no such thing as a defenseless grandma.

242 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:08:13pm

re: #237 Stanley Sea

LOL true.

Love Lupita though.

And she’s probably naturally thin. Notice there are no grapefruits screwed on her chest. : ) She looks lovely.

243 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:09:24pm

Since our minds are on things military, this is tres appropriate—and cool.

Inside The Army’s Spectacular Hidden Treasure Room

buzzfeed.com

244 jaunte  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:09:32pm

re: #241 Decatur Deb

There is no such thing as a defenseless grandma.

You can see from his face she’s only just begun deploying the guilt beams.

245 Archangelus  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:10:03pm

And it’s official, read/seen enough news and reactions regarding the developments in Ukraine and elsewhere in the world as I can stomach for one day.

Time to for some quality reality-ignoring computer gaming time - still a few hours left till the end of the current Elder Scrolls Online beta test (which has thus far proven awesome), gonna put them to good use..

246 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:15:42pm

Ukrainian Activists Work to Counter Russian Narrative on Social Networks

thelede.blogs.nytimes.com

Photos, videos, tweets, etc.

247 jaunte  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:16:22pm

re: #243 Decatur Deb

…there are major fundraising hurdles to jump before the museum can be built. The foundation’s president recently told the Washington Post that it has raised $76 million of the $175 million required for the museum and predicts the museum could open in 2018.

Looks like a worthy project for a conservative billionaire, if one could be found.

248 b.d.  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:19:48pm

So if Scahill doesn’t win an Oscar tonight will Greenwald rail against The Academy or against the film that does win?

249 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:20:42pm

re: #247 jaunte

Looks like a worthy project for a conservative billionaire, if one could be found.

It also supports the museums on each significant installation. The Pentagon’s miles of hallways hold a rotating exhibit of the art. That was the only way I could find my way around the maze after I started doing TDYs there. Fouled me up when they changed out.

250 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:21:09pm

Lil Kim is crying for attention…

251 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:21:32pm

re: #239 Justanotherhuman

“Shoot, if you must, this old gray head…”

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She looks old enough to remember the Great Patriotic War, and all the horror that entailed.

As an example, Kharkov. The front moved over it four times. Before the war 300,000 people lived in it. After the front moved away for the last time they found thirty of the original inhabitants still living there.

This has been my biggest worry for many years. WWII is fading into the distance. Very few people remember it. They don’t remember tankers burning in sight of the beaches of New Jersey. They don’t remember the firestorms of Hamburg, Dresden, Tokyo. They don’t remember freezing to death on the Eastern Front. They don’t remember slogging through the jungles of the Solomons.

They don’t remember that, as Georges Clemenceau put it, “War is a series of catastrophes, followed by victory.”

Putin doesn’t remember, and so he starts the cycle of horror all over again. The madman.

252 Lidane  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:22:28pm
253 Political Atheist  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:22:52pm

Hungry Birds-From just a few minutes ago.


254 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:24:06pm

re: #251 Romantic Heretic

She looks old enough to remember the Great Patriotic War, and all the horror that entailed.

As an example, Kharkov. The front moved over it four times. Before the war 300,000 people lived in it. After the front moved away for the last time they found thirty of the original inhabitants still living there.

This has been my biggest worry for many years. WWII is fading into the distance. Very few people remember it. They don’t remember tankers burning in sight of the beaches of New Jersey. They don’t remember the firestorms of Hamburg, Dresden, Tokyo. They don’t remember freezing to death on the Eastern Front. They don’t remember slogging through the jungles of the Solomons.

They don’t remember that, as Georges Clemenceau put it, “War is a series of catastrophes, followed by victory.”

Putin doesn’t remember, and so he starts the cycle of horror all over again. The madman.

Some day no one will know in their blood what ‘Never Again” means. that’s why the films, libraries and museums will be so important.

255 compound_Idaho  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:24:38pm

re: #235 Aqua Obama

What’s the Russian version of Freedom Fries?

Vodka?

256 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:27:25pm

Where are the usual anti-war types in the US on this?

Russian anti-war protesters detained in Moscow

dailystar.com.lb

257 lawhawk  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:28:54pm

re: #253 Political Atheist

Outstanding shots! Super crisp focus too. From the reflections/tone, it looks like you used a flash as well. Very impressive.

258 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:29:06pm

re: #253 Political Atheist

Hungry Birds-From just a few minutes ago.

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Amazing photos!

259 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:29:23pm

re: #256 Justanotherhuman

Where are the usual anti-war types in the US on this?

Russian anti-war protesters detained in Moscow

dailystar.com.lb

Why would US anti-war activists bother protesting a war they know their country will not enter and can not prevent?

260 RealityBasedSteve  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:29:55pm

re: #231 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sleet haz arrived.

it beginz….

It started here about 5ish. Now we are into freezing rain (big herking ball of it). If I don’t have what I need, I’m not going out to get it. My boss just checked with me, there are supposed to be 7 people coming from Fort. Campbell down to the Nashville center to take a certification exam tomorrow. Told her that I doubt they will be on the road early.

Take care, you’ve gotten hammered every storm there has been.

RBS

261 Political Atheist  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:32:50pm

re: #257 lawhawk

Thanks much, yes used a canon flash dialed way down, 6omm prime. 2000 ISO and 1/6000th sec. shutter.

262 Bear  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:33:15pm

re: #253 Political Atheist

WOW

263 b.d.  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:33:51pm

DERP DERP DERP DERP DERPY DERP DERP

Someone won’t be talked to at the Pando water cooler tomorrow.

264 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:34:55pm

re: #259 goddamnedfrank

Why would US anti-war activists bother protesting a war they know their country will not enter and can not prevent?

Beyond that, the last few rumored wars have been successfully rendered morally ambiguous. The ‘good guys’ spread across the Internet as a contaminated mix of heroes, innocents, terrorists and fascists, and the ‘bad guys’ perhaps not as bad as their wannbe replacements.

265 Political Atheist  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:35:07pm

re: #262 Bear

Thanks. Those birds bring a challenge with them.

266 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:35:10pm

re: #259 goddamnedfrank

If McCain or Romney had won and were President right now US anti-war protestors would be fucking up traffic through the downtown cores of at least a half dozen major cities right now.

267 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:35:37pm

re: #261 Political Atheist

Thanks much, yes used a canon flash dialed way down, 6omm prime. 2000 ISO and 1/6000th sec. shutter.

Couldn’t you get the bird to smile?

268 Lidane  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:37:36pm

re: #263 b.d.

The bigger obstacle for Dirty Wars is a little film called The Act of Killing:

Youtube Video

It got better reviews than Dirty Wars and is a chilling thing to watch. My money is firmly on this film winning.

269 RealityBasedSteve  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:37:55pm

re: #261 Political Atheist

Thanks much, yes used a canon flash dialed way down, 6omm prime. 2000 ISO and 1/6000th sec. shutter.

so, you’ve got something that supports HSF. Didn’t realize that it would go THAT fast. Very impressive

Many many years ago when I was a relative pup, I took a class in wildlife photography from the Photographer Emeritus and his wife from the St. Louis Zoo. They had spent their entire career doing wildlife photography, great teachers. They stressed how important it was to use a flash, even in direct sun, if for no other reason than to get the ‘catchlights’ in the eye.

Always impressed by your stuff..

RBS

270 b.d.  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:38:18pm

re: #266 goddamnedfrank

If McCain or Romney had won and were President right now US anti-war protestors would be fucking up traffic through the downtown cores of at least a half dozen major cities right now.

If McCain or Romney were president right now, there’d be a lot of Americans out on the street, for a myriad of reasons.

Thank God they aren’t.

271 jaunte  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:38:44pm

re: #263 b.d.

Also nominated in the documentary category: The Act of Killing
en.wikipedia.org

Which has a good chance of winning, and nothing to do with Hollywood loyalty to Obama.

272 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:38:50pm

re: #264 Decatur Deb

Beyond that, the last few rumored wars have been successfully rendered morally ambiguous. The ‘good guys’ spread across the Internet as a contaminated mix of heroes, innocents, terrorists and fascists, and the ‘bad guys’ perhaps not as bad as their wannbe replacements.

The Korean Peninsula could go red hot tomorrow and Obama would probably have a hell of a time convincing the majority of the US public of our need to defend SK.

273 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:39:01pm

re: #261 Political Atheist

Thanks much, yes used a canon flash dialed way down, 6omm prime. 2000 ISO and 1/6000th sec. shutter.

Speak English.

274 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:39:18pm

Bratwurst and saffron risotto

A gluten-free contribution. Saffron risotto, and this time made with a good parmesan. Good snappy flavor and a nice texture - a bit like a good mac and cheese.

275 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:39:36pm

re: #267 Decatur Deb

Couldn’t you get the bird to smile?

The bird was vogueing.

276 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:40:16pm

re: #259 goddamnedfrank

Why would US anti-war activists bother protesting a war they know their country will not enter and can not prevent?

They never have any problems protesting against Israel. Explain that.

277 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:40:21pm

Just want to see if those custom timelines also embed in comments…

278 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:41:25pm

re: #266 goddamnedfrank

If McCain or Romney had won and were President right now US anti-war protestors would be fucking up traffic through the downtown cores of at least a half dozen major cities right now.

DING

279 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:41:31pm

re: #272 goddamnedfrank

The Korean Peninsula could go red hot tomorrow and Obama would probably have a hell of a time convincing the majority of the US public of our need to defend SK.

If the Martian tripods land tomorrow, 27% of the country would join them in an attack on the White House.

280 Lidane  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:42:31pm
281 lawhawk  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:42:39pm

re: #273 b_sharp

Fast lens. Very fast shutter speed, and very good reflexes. :)

282 b.d.  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:43:08pm

re: #280 Lidane

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G-7?

283 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:43:30pm
284 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:43:48pm

Germany warns against Russia

exclusion from G8

“The G8 panel is the only panel where we Westerners talk directly to Russia, so should we really sacrifice this only panel?” Mr Steinmeier said on public German television ARD.

Mr Steinmeier said heads of government would debate the issue this week, but cautioned against any steps that could worsen the crisis.

285 prairiefire  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:44:03pm

re: #127 PhillyPretzel

{{{Philly}}}. Thinking of you!

286 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:44:05pm

re: #266 goddamnedfrank

If McCain or Romney had won and were President right now US anti-war protestors would be fucking up traffic through the downtown cores of at least a half dozen major cities right now.

yup. They pretty much went home after GWB left.

287 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:45:18pm

re: #274 Feline Fearless Leader

Bratwurst and saffron risotto

A gluten-free contribution. Saffron risotto, and this time made with a good parmesan. Good snappy flavor and a nice texture - a bit like a good mac and cheese.

Looks great. Wish I knew how to make risotta without it turning out like paste. : )

288 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:45:56pm

re: #286 NJDhockeyfan

yup. They pretty much went home after GWB left.

Because Obama hasn’t done anything spectacularly stupid. If he had done the dumb in Syria, I would have been back to business.

289 b.d.  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:46:45pm

re: #286 NJDhockeyfan

yup. They pretty much went home after GWB left.

Didn’t they go to OWS?

290 Lidane  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:46:50pm

re: #282 b.d.

G-7?

That caught my eye too. Maybe they’re saying G-7 as a warning to Putin that Russia could be expelled?

291 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:47:11pm

re: #281 lawhawk

Fast lens. Very fast shutter speed, and very good reflexes. :)

The reflexes impress the shit out of me.

292 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:47:15pm

re: #290 Lidane

That caught my eye too. Maybe they’re saying G-7 as a warning to Putin that Russia could be expelled?

Could be. I noticed that as well.

293 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:47:30pm

re: #286 NJDhockeyfan

yup. They pretty much went home after GWB left.

You are misunderstanding.

But then again Code Pink!

294 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:47:32pm

re: #288 Decatur Deb

Because Obama hasn’t done anything spectacularly stupid. If he had done the dumb in Syria, I would have been back to business.

The core of professional protesters are still active. They had a Keystone pipeline protest at the Whitehouse yesterday.

295 lawhawk  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:48:33pm

re: #282 b.d.

There was a time when there was a G-6, and then G-7 and now a G-8. It can go back to being a G-7 and the only ones who will suffer for it are the Russians, who need the others more than the others need the Russians.

296 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:49:40pm

Drizzly in Philadelphia tonight - turning into sleet/snow sometime overnight I believe.

Here’s a few photos from last Saturday under better weather conditions.

Back of Old Post Office

Eagle and Lamp Post - Market St Bridge

297 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:49:44pm

re: #294 Killgore Trout

The core of professional protesters are still active. They had a Keystone pipeline protest at the Whitehouse yesterday.

No reason to think it’s the same people—there are a few who are more interested in the process than the purpose, but they’re a small minority.

298 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:52:29pm

re: #276 NJDhockeyfan

They never have any problems protesting against Israel. Explain that.

The perceived ability of the US to successfully bring it’s influence to bear. Israel basically being a US client state and heavily dependent on us running interference for them in the UN.

Russia, obviously, is a completely different beast. Which anybody paying any kind of attention wouldn’t need to have explained to them.

299 Aqua Obama  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:52:39pm

Gotta admit, hosting a Olympics and invading a country the next week is a pretty good trick. Kim Jong-Un is jealous.

300 Chrysicat  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:54:10pm

re: #250 NJDhockeyfan

Lil Kim is crying for attention…

[Embedded content]

Oh, joy. Like we didn’t have enough to worry about between Ukraine and Venezuela. Which cold conflict goes hot first?

301 lawhawk  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:55:07pm

re: #299 Aqua Obama

Gotta admit, hosting a Olympics and invading a country the next week is a pretty good trick. Kim Jong-Un is jealous.

Jong Un could one-up that. The South is hosting in 2018. The North could invade weeks after the Games end. /

302 chadu  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:56:01pm

re: #164 RadicalModerate

Yeah. The swing from 83 degrees on Saturday afternoon to 22 outside now - yes, a sixty-one degree swing in 24 hours.

Global warming, shlobal warning, as long as I’m rich.

303 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:56:50pm

re: #288 Decatur Deb

Because Obama hasn’t done anything spectacularly stupid. If he had done the dumb in Syria, I would have been back to business.

Obama increased troops in Afghanistan…no outrage

Bombed Libya…no outrage

Drones….few outrage

They were marching on Washington, on TV all the time and now you never hear from them. Code Pink are the only ones who protest that I see.

304 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:57:35pm

re: #289 b.d.

Didn’t they go to OWS?

Were they the one shitting on the floor of the banks?

305 urbanmeemaw  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:58:17pm

re: #231 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yup. It was quiet most of the afternoon where I live, then we got slammped with sleet/snow.

No Kentucky seems to have borne the brunt of the ice - multiple car accidents on 275 and 75 north, 2 lanes were closed on Brent Spence, and Suspension Bridge (featured in Rain Man!) closed. No KY is also supposed to get most of the snow tonight. I work in Wilder. Not sure I’ll be going to work tomorrow. Predictions are 3-5 inches for them.

306 Aqua Obama  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 4:58:21pm

re: #301 lawhawk

Jong Un could one-up that. The South is hosting in 2018. The North could invade weeks after the Games end. /

Abducting the torch and running it around North Korea would be pretty funny

307 makeitstop  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:00:26pm

re: #303 NJDhockeyfan

They were marching on Washington, on TV all the time and now you never hear from them.

I’ll take issue with the bolded. The anti-war demonstrations in the run-up to Iraq got very, very little TV coverage. Saying the demonstrators were ‘on TV all the time’ is an exaggeration.

308 Lidane  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:00:40pm
309 Chrysicat  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:01:04pm
310 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:02:14pm

Obama got us out of Iraq, is on track getting us out of Afghanistan, and completed the overthrow of Gaddafi without incurring a single military casualty.

Of course the anti war activists aren’t going to protest him nearly as much, especially when the GOP candidates kept advocating for going back into Iraq and increasing Afghanistan involvement.

It’s almost like context matters.

311 Aqua Obama  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:04:48pm

Sounds like Russia just got kicked out of the G8

All hail based Greenwald. Take that GLOBALIST 1337

312 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:05:16pm

They are against all wars and killing people, so they say. You think they are making acceptations?

313 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:05:31pm

TCM showing Best Picture nominees again. 1935 version of “Mutiny on the Bounty”. Every time it comes on the first image in my head is Bugs Bunny as Bligh* - “It’s mutiny Mr Christian - Mutiny!”

* - Bugs is obviously imitating Charles Laughton from this film.

314 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:06:22pm

re: #312 NJDhockeyfan

They are against all wars and killing people, so they say. You think they are making acceptations?

A stupid strawman followed by nonsense. Try again.

315 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:06:35pm

re: #303 NJDhockeyfan

Obama increased troops in Afghanistan…no outrage

Bombed Libya…no outrage

Drones….few outrage

They were marching on Washington, on TV all the time and now you never hear from them. Code Pink are the only ones who protest that I see.

Shuffling from Iraq to AFG, then back home is a real reduction. As long as boots are not on the ground, stray hellfires and JDAMs have little shock value any more. Even the Move On/ANSWER protests against Bush had a pro-forma feel from the inside. If you want real work for the window-makers, re-institute the draft.

316 Aqua Obama  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:06:52pm

re: #313 Feline Fearless Leader

I always wanted to see that movie Charles Laughton directed. It sounds really interesting for a 50s film.

317 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:07:07pm

re: #307 makeitstop

I’ll take issue with the bolded. The anti-war demonstrations in the run-up to Iraq got very, very little TV coverage. Saying the demonstrators were ‘on TV all the time’ is an exaggeration.

RW bubble. Still afraid of Code Pink.

318 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:07:25pm

re: #305 urbanmeemaw

Yup. It was quiet most of the afternoon where I live, then we got slammped with sleet/snow.

No Kentucky seems to have borne the brunt of the ice - multiple car accidents on 275 and 75 north, 2 lanes were closed on Brent Spence, and Suspension Bridge (featured in Rain Man!) closed. No KY is also supposed to get most of the snow tonight. I work in Wilder. Not sure I’ll be going to work tomorrow. Predictions are 3-5 inches for them.

I just measured 3/10” of sleet and it’s still falling.

319 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:08:14pm

re: #312 NJDhockeyfan

They are against all wars and killing people, so they say. You think they are making acceptations?

I am ‘they’, and no ‘we’ don’t.

320 makeitstop  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:09:15pm

re: #317 Stanley Sea

RW bubble. Still afraid of Code Pink.

But only because CP outlived OWS.

321 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:13:52pm

re: #316 Aqua Obama

I always wanted to see that movie Charles Laughton directed. It sounds really interesting for a 50s film.

“Night of the Hunter”. I’ve never seen all of it in one sitting. Famed Robert Mitchum role.

322 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:14:21pm

Only the most media influenced terrified RWNJ’s reference OWS shitting.

Really? I am not asking for proof, but I hear it from the nut jobs so often it’s bizarre. Their only push back. ONE DUDE TOOK A SHIT SOMEWHERE. I added it long ago to my OWS fearspeech.

NJHockey, you need to read the plethora of stories about Occupy Sandy to get a grip.

323 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:15:59pm

re: #322 Stanley Sea

Only the most media influenced terrified RWNJ’s reference OWS shitting.

Really? I am not asking for proof, but I hear it from the nut jobs so often it’s bizarre. Their only push back. ONE DUDE TOOK A SHIT SOMEWHERE. I added it long ago to my OWS fearspeech.

NJHockey, you need to read the plethora of stories about Occupy Sandy to get a grip.

The shit smelled ‘round the boardroom.

324 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:16:41pm

Ukraine ‘on brink of disaster,’ PM says; Kerry to visit

“This is not a threat, this is actually a declaration of war to my country,” Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk said.

usatoday.com

“This isn’t really a crisis because all of Sevastopol was afraid of the Maidan movement,” said waiter Konstantin Solovev, 28. “We heard many stories that those people were threatening this city.”

“Even so, some locals created a petition signed by tens of thousands telling Russia they didn’t need Russian help.

“Dear Mr. President of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Putin, We ethnic Russians and Russian-speaking Ukrainian nationals do not need other countries to defend our interests,” the petition read. “We are grateful to you for support however would like to inform you that nobody has ever infringed our rights on Ukrainian territory … therefore, we would ask you to not raise an internal question for our country which is not a burning issue for us … Not to mention bringing troops in to regulate a conflict which you may see but which is not visible to us.”

“We heard many stories…” A huge part of the problem was those rumors flying and those who propagated that gossip, the likely suspect, Russia itself.

325 Chrysicat  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:16:50pm

re: #274 Feline Fearless Leader

Bratwurst and saffron risotto

A gluten-free contribution. Saffron risotto, and this time made with a good parmesan. Good snappy flavor and a nice texture - a bit like a good mac and cheese.

For the sake of my gluten-sensitive-but-not-celiac sister, what’s the source of your brats? Most of the ones we’ve found (though not Kroger) use gluten-containing ingredients for their filler…

326 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:17:51pm
327 Belafon  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:21:23pm

re: #315 Decatur Deb

And there’s always the fact that Afghanistan was seen as the justified war. Pullouts are because it’s no longer viewed as worth it, not that we shouldn’t have been there in the first place.

re: #312 NJDhockeyfan

And, there’s google.

328 chadu  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:21:26pm

re: #295 lawhawk

There was a time when there was a G-5, then a G-6, and then G-7 and now a G-8. It can go back to being a G-7 and the only ones who will suffer for it are the Russians, who need the others more than the others need the Russians.

Sha-Na-Na…

C, C, C
C, C, C
A, A, A
A Minor
F, F, F, F
F, F
G, G, G
G7

What’s that playing on the radio?
Why do I start swaying to and fro?

IT’S A SIGN!

329 Aqua Obama  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:22:40pm

The Ruble is trading at record highs vs the dollar today

330 chadu  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:23:07pm

re: #310 goddamnedfrank

It’s almost like context matters.

331 A Mom Anon  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:23:08pm

re: #317 Stanley Sea

Code Pink is what? Maybe 25 people at most? Oooh, scary. They have so much influence on Liberals across the nation….um. no. I’d also kinda like to see all the TV coverage of the nationwide protests in the run up to Iraq. There wasn’t any, I looked for it.

332 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:23:22pm

re: #325 Chrysicat

For the sake of my gluten-sensitive-but-not-celiac sister, what’s the source of your brats? Most of the ones we’ve found (though not Kroger) use gluten-containing ingredients for their filler…

They were Johnsonville brand. Not explicitly labeled gluten-free, but the ingredient list was wheat-free.

333 urbanmeemaw  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:23:32pm

re: #318 Backwoods_Sleuth

I hope Mr. Sleuth is safe! And you stay safe and warm as well!

334 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:24:19pm

re: #330 chadu

[Embedded image]

What is that, some kind of steam punk sex toy?

335 Belafon  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:25:29pm

re: #334 Justanotherhuman

That’s Tom Hardy as Bane in the last batman move.

336 Aqua Obama  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:26:22pm

re: #331 A Mom Anon

Code Pink is what? Maybe 25 people at most? Oooh, scary. They have so much influence on Liberals across the nation….um. no. I’d also kinda like to see all the TV coverage of the nationwide protests in the run up to Iraq. There wasn’t any, I looked for it.

Or, Westboro Baptists

When I was at the inauguration some people were dopey enough to get into an argument with em.

337 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:28:14pm

re: #336 Aqua Obama

Or, Westboro Baptists

When I was at the inauguration some people were dopey enough to get into an argument with em.

Code Pink is the maiden aunt you take to the zoo, and hope she doesn’t kiss the monkey.

338 chadu  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:28:22pm

re: #334 Justanotherhuman

What is that, some kind of steam punk sex toy?

You’ve said it on the Internet, so now it is.

(Though I suspect it was already, and I’m not Googling “Bane sexy cosplay” to find out.)

339 sagehen  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:28:29pm

re: #266 goddamnedfrank

If McCain or Romney had won and were President right now US anti-war protestors would be fucking up traffic through the downtown cores of at least a half dozen major cities right now.

Because if McCain or Romney had won and were President right now they’d have the fleet heading full speed towards Ukraine, and the Air Force moving assets overseas, personnel at our German bases would be increasing as fast as the transports could land….

Not much point protesting something Obama isn’t going to do anyway.

340 Chrysicat  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:30:05pm

re: #266 goddamnedfrank

If McCain or Romney had won and were President right now US anti-war protestors would be fucking up traffic through the downtown cores of at least a half dozen major cities right now.

That’s because either of them, judging from the way they’re criticizing this President, would be loading M1A2s onto Galaxy’s right now to fly out to Kyiv. Though I’ll admit that protesting that would be playing into Russia’s hands and indirectly calling for appeasment…

341 chadu  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:30:15pm

re: #339 sagehen

Because if McCain or Romney had won and were President right now they’d have the fleet heading full speed towards Ukraine, and the Air Force moving assets overseas, personnel at our German bases would be increasing as fast as the transports could land….

Not much point protesting something Obama isn’t going to do anyway.

Actually, if McCain or Romney had won, we’d probably be involved in Syria, and that parallel universe avalanche might have trued-out the Crimea.

PARA-CHRONO-SCIENCE!

342 makeitstop  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:33:24pm

re: #331 A Mom Anon

Code Pink is what? Maybe 25 people at most? Oooh, scary. They have so much influence on Liberals across the nation….um. no. I’d also kinda like to see all the TV coverage of the nationwide protests in the run up to Iraq. There wasn’t any, I looked for it.

I took part in a huge demonstration in NYC, and that demonstration was minimized in every way possible by the media.

GWB and his ‘with us or with the terrorists’ rhetoric had the media by the balls at that time, and they weren’t about to rock the boat and get called un-American.

343 jaunte  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:34:01pm

re: #329 Aqua Obama

The Ruble is trading at record highs vs the dollar today

344 chadu  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:35:31pm

(weird thingy deleted)

345 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:41:12pm

re: #344 chadu

(weird thingy deleted)

The W Anti-defamation Coalition Would like a Word W you.

346 Mattand  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:41:33pm

Conservatives crying that Obama is being protested enough.

Give me a fucking break.

Protip: Obama’s got his problems but he’s nowhere near the colossal fuckup you helped either put in office (W), or the nitwits you tried to put in office (Romney).

347 chadu  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:42:02pm

re: #345 Decatur Deb

The W Anti-defamatiom Coalition Would like a Word W you.

348 CuriousLurker  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:48:20pm

re: #312 NJDhockeyfan

They are against all wars and killing people, so they say. You think they are making acceptations?

What you’re describing is pacifism. Being anti-war is not the same as being a pacifist, though they’re certainly not mutually exclusive:

Pacifist and anti-war movements are similar, but not the same. Pacifism is the belief that violent conflict is never acceptable and that society should not be ready to fight in a conflict (see disarmament); the anti-war movement is not necessarily opposed to national defense. Pacifists oppose all war, but anti-war activists may be opposed to only a particular war or wars.

en.wikipedia.org

Einstein was a pacifist who eventually betrayed his own principles in a big way, but he appears to never have lost his contempt for war or for those who look forward to engaging in it:

My participation in the production of the atom bomb consisted in a single act: I signed a letter to President Roosevelt. this letter stressed the necessity of large scale experimentation to ascertain the possibility of producing an atom bomb.

I was well aware of the dreadful danger for all mankind, if these experiments would succeed. But the probability that the Germans might work on that very problem with good chance of success prompted me to take that step. I did not see any other way out, although I always was a convinced pacifist. To kill in war time, it seems to me, is in no ways better than common murder.

As long however, as nations are ready to abolish war by common action and to solve their conflicts in a peaceful way on a legal basis. they feel compelled to prepare for war. They feel moreover compelled to prepare the most abominable means, in order not to be left behind in the general armaments race. Such procedure leads inevitable to war, which, in turn, under todays conditions, spells universal destruction. […]

atomicarchive.com

349 BeenHereAwhile  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 5:54:47pm

re: #151 TedStriker

Keep that ice up there in Clarksville, because I don’t want any of it here in Nashville ;-P

Hear, hear!

350 RealityBasedSteve  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 6:06:11pm

re: #349 BeenHereAwhile

Hear, hear!

It’s been pretty much solid ice for the last 3 hours, my car is totally iced over, it’s starting to build in the roads in the neighborhood. Lastest from Accuweather makes it look like nothing but ice here until 7am or so, then a couple of hours of snow just to put a nice topping on it.

Glad I get to stay home and teach.

RBS

351 Chrysicat  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 6:08:25pm

re: #346 Mattand

Conservatives crying that Obama is being protested enough.

Give me a fucking break.

Protip: Obama’s got his problems but he’s nowhere near the colossal fuckup you helped either put in office (W), or the nitwits you tried to put in office (Romney).

Not to mention Palin, since if McCain had been elected the extra stress that’s making Obama look 65 would have killed him and put her in power… *shudder*

352 Ming  Sun, Mar 2, 2014 6:35:32pm

re: #77 jaunte

Are there ANY prominent Republicans who view Putin as the enemy, and not Obama? This game looks like a no-hitter.


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