Photo of the Day: Donald Trump and His Heinous Comb-Over

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Getty Images has always been one of the best spots to find quality photographs of all kinds of stuff, but they’ve also been very protective of their copyrights. I respect that, and have always refrained from using their images without licensing them — but apparently, there were quite a few other humans out there on the Internets who didn’t. As a result, Getty Images announced this week that they’re giving up trying to enforce their copyrights the old-fashioned way (with nasty lawyer letters) and making millions of their photos free to use on blogs and other sites, simply by embedding the code for an iframe.

So here’s my first embedded Getty photo, from today’s festival of right wing lunacy, CPAC 2014, showing the heinous comb-over of Donald Trump in all its forward-sweeping glory.

Trump’s speech? Oh, it was the usual rambling disconnected mess, starting with a teleprompter joke (the CPAC audience never gets tired of that one), seguing into a call for America to grab Iraq’s oil (I know, right?), and concluding with a strange story about how much the Chinese love him, his buildings, and his ties.

For which he received a standing ovation, of course.

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238 comments
1 Kragar  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 4:47:22pm

Caption: “I can’t believe you fucking rubes keep falling for this schtick!”

2 b.d.  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 4:50:08pm

Donald Trump…or as the CPAC crowd calls him, that nice young man.

3 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 4:50:34pm

He wasn’t quite so orange or wind-blown today, though.

Image: donald_trump_combover_fake_tan.jpg

4 dog philosopher  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 4:52:25pm

i dreamed i skinned and fricasseed donald trump’s comb-over in my maidenform bra

5 b.d.  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 4:53:40pm

Trump did make some news with his speech though:

6 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 4:53:57pm

Geeez, this poor guy, he’s really being hounded.

AP Exclusive: Man Denies He’s Bitcoin Founder

abcnews.go.com

At least ABC had the decency not to put a video up of him.

7 dog philosopher  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 4:54:56pm

Bitcoin

slogan: “Get Bit!” ??

8 GeneJockey  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 4:55:42pm

re: #7 dog philosopher

Bitcoin

slogan: “Get Bit!” ??

…to coin a phrase.

9 Ace-o-aces  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 4:56:34pm
…seguing into a call for America to grab Iraq’s oil

WTF!? I don’t even…does he understand this would be war? Does he think we can just drive a couple trucks up to the Iraqi oild fields in the middle of the night and siphon it off before anyone notices?

10 Kragar  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 4:57:16pm

re: #9 Ace-o-aces

WTF!? I don’t even…does he understand this would be war? Does he think we can just drive a couple trucks up to the Iraqi oild fields in the middle of the night and siphon it off before anyone notices?

But they owe us!
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11 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 4:58:12pm

Yes, this should work out well…

Concealed weapons bill now heading to governor’s desk

idahoreporter.com

“A bill to allow concealed weapons permit holders to carry guns on college campuses cleared its final legislative hurdle Thursday and now heads to Gov. Butch Otter’s desk. Otter has not taken a formal position on the legislation.

“The much-debated measure, Senate Bill 1254, passed the Idaho House on a 50-19 vote, clearing the way for the governor to have the final say on the bill. All 13 House Democrats rejected the bill, joined by six Republicans.

“During the more than hour of debate on the House floor, the bill’s advocates warned that denying personal protection is harmful to students and faculty alike and infringes on Second Amendment rights. “

“No, goddamn it, you can’t go to the Univ of Idaho. Ever.”

12 TedStriker  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 4:58:33pm

re: #6 Justanotherhuman

Geeez, this poor guy, he’s really being hounded.

AP Exclusive: Man Denies He’s Bitcoin Founder

abcnews.go.com

At least ABC had the decency not to put a video up of him.

Yet.

Someone will have completely doxed this guy before the end of the week, mark my words.

13 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 4:59:10pm

re: #9 Ace-o-aces

WTF!? I don’t even…does he understand this would be war? Does he think we can just drive a couple trucks up to the Iraqi oild fields in the middle of the night and siphon it off before anyone notices?

We did the war, he thinks we should have grabbed the oil on the way out.

14 DKoch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:01:32pm

Not sure if you’ve seen this: Pando catches Griftwald lying bout.. . ahem.. Griftwald.

Man. Given Greenwald’s well-documented habit of smearing and attacking those who disagree with him, I’d hate to be in Greenwald ‘07 shoes if Greenwald ‘14 ever sees that video.

15 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:02:38pm

re: #4 dog philosopher

i dreamed i skinned and fricasseed donald trump’s comb-over in my maidenform bra

What was his comb-over doing in your bra in the first place….

RBS
//and yes, I do recall (vaguely) the original ad.

16 GeneJockey  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:02:58pm

re: #13 wrenchwench

We did the war, he thinks we should have grabbed the oil on the way out.

They CHEERED that shit? Whoa.

So, here we have a bunch of folks who claim to be the ideological descendants of people who threw off the colonial yoke in favor of self determination wishing to throw a colonial yoke on another country.

17 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:03:16pm

re: #13 wrenchwench

We did the war, he thinks we should have grabbed the oil on the way out.

Yes, the Donald’s point, I believe, is that the Iraqis should have offered it to us anyway out of gratitude for all we’ve done for them.

18 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:03:24pm

Where were those C/C types when this happened? Aren’t they supposed to stop this? Somebody should have been killed to stop them from shooting!

Shooting at Oak Court Mall injures one

wmctv.com

19 b.d.  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:03:53pm

re: #9 Ace-o-aces

WTF!? I don’t even…does he understand this would be war? Does he think we can just drive a couple trucks up to the Iraqi oild fields in the middle of the night and siphon it off before anyone notices?

Does he not know that the USA doesn’t have a national oil company? So he is advocating that Exxon/Mobil go and get it, charge US citizens regular market price, under US military protection?

20 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:04:25pm

re: #16 GeneJockey

They CHEERED that shit? Whoa.

So, here we have a bunch of folks who claim to be the ideological descendants of people who threw off the colonial yoke in favor of self determination wishing to throw a colonial yoke on another country.

Instead, they prefer to hook you up to a ball and chain so that you show your appreciation for whatever crumbs they throw your way.

21 GeneJockey  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:04:26pm

re: #15 RealityBasedSteve

What was his comb-over doing in your bra in the first place….

RBS
//and yes, I do recall (vaguely) the original ad.

Hey, those ads, and the National Geographic were the closest I came to boobie pics till my brother started leaving his National Lampoons lying around.

22 dog philosopher  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:05:04pm

re: #15 RealityBasedSteve

What was his comb-over doing in your bra in the first place….

they were both in my pajamas with the elephant

23 GeneJockey  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:06:28pm

re: #22 dog philosopher

they were both in my pajamas with the elephant

You sleep in your bra? Isn’t that uncomfortable?

Wait - aren’t you a dude?
//

24 dog philosopher  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:06:52pm

Putin, Obama speak by phone as US moves to counter Russian aggression

“i’ll see your ‘facts on the ground’ and raise you 57 withdrawn billion dollar contracts”

25 TedStriker  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:06:55pm

Geezus, Donald…just get a damn hairpiece!

26 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:07:09pm

re: #16 GeneJockey

They CHEERED that shit? Whoa.

So, here we have a bunch of folks who claim to be the ideological descendants of people who threw off the colonial yoke in favor of self determination wishing to throw a colonial yoke on another country.

That’s on par with the Coulter saying “we should invade their countries, take their oil and convert them to Christianity”. When she does it, you know she’s just being an attention whore, with Donald… well, probably the same thing, but he’s sincere about it.

RBS

27 TedStriker  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:08:47pm

re: #19 b.d.

Does he not know that the USA doesn’t have a national oil company? So he is advocating that Exxon/Mobil go and get it, charge US citizens regular market price, under US military protection?

But of course…

28 b.d.  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:09:31pm

re: #14 DKoch

heh

The piece prompted a fierce, and lengthy, response from First Look staffer Glenn Greenwald.

Bolded by me.

29 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:09:41pm

re: #11 Justanotherhuman

I do try to avoid mocking people for their names, but really —- “Butch Otter”?

30 chadu  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:09:41pm

re: #13 wrenchwench

We did the war, he thinks we should have grabbed the oil on the way out.

Because reasons.

31 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:10:28pm

re: #28 b.d.

GG has no operating modes other than ‘fierce and lengthy’. Gets old after a while.

32 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:11:35pm

re: #29 EPR-radar

I do try to avoid mocking people for that names, but really —- “Butch Otter”?

That’s like a really really bad porn name.

RBS

33 GeneJockey  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:14:24pm

re: #32 RealityBasedSteve

That’s like a really really bad porn name.

RBS

How about ‘fierce and lengthy’?

34 jaunte  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:16:12pm

re: #33 GeneJockey

Ling T. Fierce.

35 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:19:54pm

Oh, speaking of the Mighty G…

36 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:20:57pm
37 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:23:25pm

Here’s a place where the Oxford comma really does improve the rhythm of the sentence, I think…

…concluding with a strange story about how much the Chinese love him, his buildings, and his ties.

38 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:26:20pm

What GG calls “critical thinking”—you have to read to the end. In other words, GG likes the way this guy defends RT by doing an ad hominem on Kirchick. Good luck with that Columbia journalism degree, JP; I don’t know how you earned it.

39 DKoch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:27:17pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

So when Abby Martin bucks her employer over the Russian occupation, he declares it a heroic move. When Liz Wahl bucks her employer over the Russian occupation (and quits), he declares it a cynical move.

Keep fucking that chicken, Griftwald

40 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:29:00pm

And how’s this for timing. Talking about Greenwald and Snowden, and the Pentagon announces that Snowden’s stolen document stash cost the US billions in damage. Most of the documents released to date have little to do with violations of US civil rights and laws, and everything to do with undermining US national security by revealing means, methods, and relationships with allies, neutrals, and others.

41 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:29:28pm

re: #38 Justanotherhuman

What GG calls “critical thinking”—you have to read to the end. In other words, GG likes the way this guy defends RT by doing an ad hominem on Kirchick. Good luck with that Columbia journalism degree, JP; I don’t know how you earned it.

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A really long ad hominem. And he also smears Radio Free Europe as equivalent to Russia Today.

All of which is totally beside the point of Liz Wahl’s statements about the true purpose of Russia Today. It’s a diversion, pure and simple.

42 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:29:56pm

re: #13 wrenchwench

We did the war, he thinks we should have grabbed the oil on the way out.

Trump thinks this because the Bush administration actually sold this bullshit. Just before the war Paul Wolfowitz went before Congress and told them Iraq would end up paying for its own reconstruction through oil revenues.

43 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:30:26pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

Oh, speaking of the Mighty G…

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There appears to be a rift amongst the dudebros regarding this one; although in the end, they’ll all defend RT. They simply can’t come to any other conclusion.

44 chadu  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:31:47pm

re: #39 DKoch

So when Abby Martin bucks her employer over the Russian occupation, he declares it a heroic move. When Liz Wahl bucks her employer over the Russian occupation (and quits), he declares it a cynical move.

Keep fucking that chicken, Griftwald

“And That’s How Greenwald Eggs are Made”

45 TedStriker  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:32:31pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

Yes, the Donald’s point, I believe, is that the Iraqis should have offered it to us anyway out of gratitude for all we’ve done for them.

Fawning praise and gratitude for laying waste to their country and killing multitudes of their fellow citizens, all because W had a grudge against Saddam and most of W’s seconds wanted to start shit somewhere else other than the limited, legitimate action in Afghanistan (so they could send others to play with all of the US’ big toys out in the sandbox) so bad, they could taste it.

Yeah, I could have totally seen that happening.

///

46 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:36:49pm

Will he be coordinating with Snowjob since they’re both out of the country, and the questions seem to be submission in advance ones?

47 chadu  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:39:36pm

re: #46 Justanotherhuman

Will he be coordinating with Snowjob since they’re both out of the country, and the questions seem to be submission in advance ones?

[Embedded content]

Mr. Greenwald, did the Snowden revelations of NSA spying have any influence or impact on the Ukraine/Crimea/Russia situation? How or how not, do you think?

One follow-up: same question, but as regards Russia’s interest in the Syrian Civil War.

48 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:39:47pm

The Greenwaldians are smearing Liz Wahl for making a pretty transparent move to get a job at Fox News. I think she’s doing that too. Abby Martin would be doing it too, except her 9/11 Truther ideas are still pretty much poison in Western journalism, despite the attempts of people like Greenwald and Alex Jones to mainstream them.

But of course, the reason they’re going after Wahl is because she went off the reservation and spilled the beans.

49 b.d.  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:42:58pm

re: #38 Justanotherhuman

What GG calls “critical thinking”—you have to read to the end. In other words, GG likes the way this guy defends RT by doing an ad hominem on Kirchick. Good luck with that Columbia journalism degree, JP; I don’t know how you earned it.

[Embedded content]

Well that Pinho piece was rather lame.

50 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:44:24pm

re: #42 goddamnedfrank

Trump thinks this because the Bush administration actually sold this bullshit. Just before the war Paul Wolfowitz went before Congress and told them Iraq would end up paying for its own reconstruction through oil revenues.

Just one of the nearly infinite number of inconvenient facts about the W Bush administration the US right wants to never be reminded of again.

52 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:50:55pm

Oh wait—I read something wrong—it’s not a journalism degree Pinho has, he graduated from Columbia University’s School of International and Public Affairs (SIPA).

Oh my. Please tell me he’s not going to keep on writing what they’re deeming “journalism” because he doesn’t seem to know the first thing about objective reporting. Isn’t this what’s so damned frustrating about Greenwald and the dudebros?

53 Swift2991  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:52:18pm

They literally would love a chimpanzee if he spoke ill of the president. Wait a minute, behold: they have.

54 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:52:31pm

Making shit up as you go along is not journalism.

55 bratwurst  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:52:43pm
56 compound_Idaho  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:53:20pm

re: #29 EPR-radar

I do try to avoid mocking people for their names, but really —- “Butch Otter”?

Hey, Butch is not a bad guy. Only one DUI.

I think he could come down either way on this. It is pretty much symbolic for both camps. What does it matter what the law says. The ones that think they need a gun probably already carry. I wouldn’t be surprised if more women carry in Moscow than men.

57 Lidane  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:53:35pm

re: #9 Ace-o-aces

WTF!? I don’t even…does he understand this would be war? Does he think we can just drive a couple trucks up to the Iraqi oild fields in the middle of the night and siphon it off before anyone notices?

Duh. They owe us. We can totally go and take all of Iraq’s oil.

It’s not like they’re using it for anything anyway.

//////

58 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:56:22pm

North Korean election are coming up
Yes, There Are Elections in North Korea and Here’s How They Work

Seen in streets, public places, industrial establishments and co-op farms are “Let us all participate in election of deputies to SPA!”, “Let us all consolidate our revolutionary power as firm as a rock!” and other slogans… Meanwhile, agitation activities are going on to encourage citizens to take active part in the election with high political enthusiasm and labor feats, amid the playing of “Song of Election.”

Youtube Video

59 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:57:22pm

re: #55 bratwurst

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6. Venezuela

60 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:58:13pm

re: #56 compound_Idaho

Hey, Butch is not a bad guy. Only one DUI.

I think he could come down either way on this. It is pretty much symbolic for both camps. What does it matter what the law says. The ones that think they need a gun probably already carry. I wouldn’t be surprised if more women carry in Moscow than men.

If a university wants to ban carry on its premises, shouldn’t it be able to do so (especially a private university)? This bill would appear to remove that option, so it doesn’t look symbolic to me.

61 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:58:32pm

re: #58 Killgore Trout

North Korean election are coming up
Yes, There Are Elections in North Korea and Here’s How They Work

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“Let us all consolidate our revolutionary power as firm as a rock! Most people aren’t aware, but that was the original line in the classic Bob Segar tune “Like a Rock”. His manager convinced him to change it, but it’s a true fact.

RBS

62 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:00:50pm

Anyone putting odds on Ukraine remaining unified?

63 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:01:32pm

There is freezing rain in Winston Salem, and I expect it’s headed our way.

Damn it.

64 klys  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:02:33pm

re: #62 Killgore Trout

Anyone putting odds on Ukraine remaining unified?

It might.

It might not.

65 b.d.  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:03:01pm

re: #62 Killgore Trout

Anyone putting odds on Ukraine remaining unified?

Crimea will probably end up in the Russian fold but Russia will lose Ukraine for a long, long time.

66 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:03:24pm

re: #61 RealityBasedSteve

>”Let us all consolidate our revolutionary power as firm as a rock! Most people aren’t aware, but that was the original line in the classic Bob Segar tune “Like a Rock”. His manager convinced him to change it, but it’s a true fact.

RBS

The poems have cool titles too
New Poems Created before Election of Deputies to 13th SPA

“Going by the Name of Mt. Paektu”, “He Is Our Deputy”, “Cheers of Korea” and other poems vividly represent the immutable will of all service personnel and people to remain loyal to the Songun revolutionary leadership of Marshal Kim Jong Un.


Among the poems are “The Billows of Emotion and Happiness”, “We Break into Cheers from the Bottom of Our Heart” and “People’s Joy” that represent the great honor and happiness of the citizens of the DPRK having another peerlessly great man at the helm.

67 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:03:46pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

The Greenwaldians are smearing Liz Wahl for making a pretty transparent move to get a job at Fox News. I think she’s doing that too. Abby Martin would be doing it too, except her 9/11 Truther ideas are still pretty much poison in Western journalism, despite the attempts of people like Greenwald and Alex Jones to mainstream them.

But of course, the reason they’re going after Wahl is because she went off the reservation and spilled the beans.

Conspiracy theorists are their own little pocket economic niche. A show of “principles” at the right time keeps them paying. Martin has multiple concerns that tap into conspiracy consumers—her art, her self-produced media bits, (indirectly) her brother’s recording career…all of which could be negatively impacted by the perception that’s she a stooge.

The idea that Wahl is cynical but Martin couldn’t be…well, you have to make assumptions about their inner motives, and forego any nuanced understanding of the way idealism and cynicism can interplay.

68 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:03:51pm

re: #60 EPR-radar

If a university wants to ban carry on its premises, shouldn’t it be able to do so (especially a private university)? This bill would appear to remove that option, so it doesn’t look symbolic to me.

I’d say yes. However there’s an argument to be made that any university accepting federal scholarship funds, government tuition loans, Pell grants, etc should be held to the same standards as any other publicly funded institution. So I’m not sure that the private / public distinction is all that meaningful.

69 DKoch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:04:12pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

Also, he’s using Abby Martin to push his false narrative that he doesn’t have to quit his job in light of the revelations that his boss was funding Ukraine opposition groups.

The libertarian conspiracy theorists, like his co-worker Marcy Wheeler, believe Ukraine was a US backed coup, not an organic uprising.

That puts the FI staff in a compromised situation: how can they tell their sap readers they work for someone who worked with evil Uncle Sam to engineer a coup.

So he uses Abby Martin’s manufactured outburst to claim he too can be independent of his boss’s political views and activities, even though in 2007 he categorically rejected that any reporter could be independent of the political views of the person signing his check.

He attacks Liz Wahl, because (while manufactured to get another gig) her resignation and attack on RT hurts his new position that he can be in the pay of someone who his CT-Paultard readers perceive as funding coups.

70 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:05:04pm

re: #65 b.d.

Crimea will probably end up in the Russian fold but Russia will lose Ukraine for a long, long time.

That’s my feeling too. Crimea and a few of the Eastern provinces are probably going to the Russians. I don’t think there’s much to be done about that without a military response.

71 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:06:48pm

re: #65 b.d.

Crimea will probably end up in the Russian fold but Russia will lose Ukraine for a long, long time.

Maybe Crimea becomes an autonomous region in Ukraine, with a special relationship with Russia. I know that’s really splitting the baby and probably wouldn’t make any of the parties really happy, but if I can get 20-1 odds, I’ll lay 100 bucks on it.

RBS

72 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:08:09pm

re: #68 goddamnedfrank

I’d say yes. However there’s an argument to be made that any university accepting federal scholarship funds, government tuition loans, Pell grants, etc should be held to the same standards as any other publicly funded institution. So I’m not sure that the private / public distinction is all that meaningful.

That line of thinking could have some strange consequences. E.g., if any private entity accepting federal funding is subject to the full bill of rights, there would appear to be no way for said entity to police its premises to get rid of undesirable expressions of free speech (e.g., Westboro Baptist comes to Stanford to stay).

73 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:09:23pm

When we originally started Pajamas Media we used Getty Images. The licensing fees were quite steep. They must have seen some pretty gnarly negative numbers to make a change this drastic.

74 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:09:45pm

re: #71 RealityBasedSteve

Maybe Crimea becomes an autonomous region in Ukraine, with a special relationship with Russia. I know that’s really splitting the baby and probably wouldn’t make any of the parties really happy, but if I can get 20-1 odds, I’ll lay 100 bucks on it.

RBS

The thing that has surprised me most about this whole Russia/Ukraine affair is that the Russians ever gave up sovereignty over the Crimea in the first place.

75 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:09:49pm

re: #56 compound_Idaho

Hey, Butch is not a bad guy. Only one DUI.

I think he could come down either way on this. It is pretty much symbolic for both camps. What does it matter what the law says. The ones that think they need a gun probably already carry. I wouldn’t be surprised if more women carry in Moscow than men.

Yep. I’ve often noted, as the CCW argument has gone on, it’s neither as good or as bad as the opposing sides claim. Crime rates don’t change and blood doesn’t run in the streets.

76 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:11:15pm

re: #56 compound_Idaho

I wouldn’t be surprised if more women carry in Moscow than men.

“The odds are good but the goods are odd.”

77 compound_Idaho  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:14:07pm

re: #60 EPR-radar

Private property? I’m with you. Public space, not so much. The stats on sexual assault in college towns is horrific. If a young women wants to carry, I’m pro choice.

78 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:14:39pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

That’s my feeling too. Crimea and a few of the Eastern provinces are probably going to the Russians. I don’t think there’s much to be done about that without a military response.

Crimea has its own parliament, being an autonomous republic having its own constitution—the eastern provinces do not, they are part of Ukraine, not autonomous. Ukraine might not fight the Russians over Crimea, although they would raise mighty hell, but they very well might put up a fight about the eastern provinces which are part of the Ukrainian republic.

79 klys  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:15:53pm

re: #77 compound_Idaho

Private property? I’m with you. Public space, not so much. The stats on sexual assault in college towns is horrific. If a young women wants to carry, I’m pro choice.

Just so you know, most sexual assault is not the stranger-accosts-woman in an alley sort of thing, particularly in a college town.

It’s a lot more something-slipped-in-a-drink-at-a-party or getting-a-woman-too-drunk-to-consent - situations where carrying doesn’t make any difference, really.

80 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:16:48pm

re: #77 compound_Idaho

Private property? I’m with you. Public space, not so much. The stats on sexual assault in college towns is horrific. If a young women wants to carry, I’m pro choice.

Guns are not magic talismans. Carrying one doesn’t do anything. Extensive and frequent training would be necessary for her to be able to use it in a tactical situation; most people don’t have the time or the temperament.

Furthermore, most sexual assault comes from people the victim knows, friends, dates, RAs. Holding out the idea of guns as rape-stoppers ignores the realities of rape.

81 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:19:55pm

re: #72 EPR-radar

That line of thinking could have some strange consequences. E.g., if any private entity accepting federal funding is subject to the full bill of rights, there would appear to be no way for said entity to police its premises to get rid of undesirable expressions of free speech (e.g., Westboro Baptist comes to Stanford to stay).

That already happened to Vassar, this is how they responded:

Youtube Video

In any event, an expression of rights by a student enrolled in an institution is on far stronger legal ground than an external protest by unrelated third parties.

82 Petero1818  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:20:39pm

re: #74 EPR-radar

The thing that has surprised me most about this whole Russia/Ukraine affair is that the Russians ever gave up sovereignty over the Crimea in the first place.

Well as I understand it, Russia did so and gave security and territorial integrity guarantees to Ukraine, in exchange for Ukraine handing over its nuclear aresenal to Russia. From where the Russians sat, giving such guarantees was a small price to pay to avoid a potentially hostile nuclear neighbor. Since the Russians now have welched on that agreement it seems they gave up nothing.

83 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:20:41pm

Speaking of rape…this is really awful.

Warrant: Ex-NFLer Darren Sharper acknowledged sex wasn’t consensual

latimes.com

“Ex-NFL star Darren Sharper and an acquaintance acknowledged that they had sex with two women in New Orleans “without their knowledge or permission,” according to an arrest warrant released Thursday.

“Sharper, 38, who has been charged with seven rape and drug counts in connection with two alleged attacks in Los Angeles, was taken into custody again last week after New Orleans police issued the warrant for his arrest. He remains in a Los Angeles jail pending a court hearing Friday afternoon.

“Two women told New Orleans police that Sharper and his friend — identified as Erik Nunez, 26 — each had sex with them while the women “were under the influence of an unknown substance” on the night of Sept. 23.”

84 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:20:49pm

re: #77 compound_Idaho

Private property? I’m with you. Public space, not so much. The stats on sexual assault in college towns is horrific. If a young women wants to carry, I’m pro choice.

If I understand correctly, the bill in Idaho relates to carry on college campuses. So the specific issue at hand is carrying to class etc.

1) For a private school, the entire campus is private property.

2) Carrying to class is effing nuts.

85 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:23:17pm
86 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:23:25pm

re: #84 EPR-radar

If I understand correctly, the bill in Idaho relates to carry on college campuses. So the specific issue at hand is carrying to class etc.

1) For a private school, the entire campus is private property.

2) Carrying to class is effing nuts.

Adds a whole new meaning to the term “Gunning for an ‘A’”.

RBS

87 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:26:07pm

re: #81 goddamnedfrank

In any event, an expression of rights by a student enrolled in an institution is on far stronger legal ground than an external protest by unrelated third parties.

I’ve just discovered the wingnut form of the irresistible force and immovable object riddle.

Can employees carry at work independent of the wishes of their employers?

88 DKoch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:27:17pm

re: #83 Justanotherhuman

The NFL is ridiculous. Wife beaters, drunk drivers, killers, rapists, adulterers, drug users, dead-beat dads, racists - that’s okay. Anyone who believes in equal rights for gays (Chris Kluwe), or gay people themselves (Michael Sam) — that’s an unacceptable distraction.

89 Gus  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:28:08pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

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HAARP site:rt.com - Google Search

chemtrails site:rt.com - Google Search

90 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:28:24pm

re: #82 Petero1818

Well as I understand it, Russia did so and gave security and territorial integrity guarantees to Ukraine, in exchange for Ukraine handing over its nuclear aresenal to Russia. From where the Russians sat, giving such guarantees was a small price to pay to avoid a potentially hostile nuclear neighbor. Since the Russians now have welched on that agreement it seems they gave up nothing.

Putin has massively fucked over Russia’s future ability to negotiate in good faith. He can make all the excuses and distinctions he wants, most governments are likely to look at this as a willful and egregious treaty violation. The really shocking thing is how unnecessary and seemingly capricious this action is.

91 Skip Intro  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:28:27pm

re: #86 RealityBasedSteve

Adds a whole new meaning to the term “Gunning for an ‘A’”.

RBS

A professor has an opinion about this.

When May I Shoot a Student?

littlegreenfootballs.com

92 jaunte  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:29:09pm

“…An avid partier his freshman year, Ringnald gave up drinking, tobacco, and dating once he devoted himself to religion. He began keeping strange hours and attending fewer Kappa Sigma functions. He’d also do odd things, including e-mailing the fraternity list serve to inform everyone they should stop wearing deodorant for religious reasons. His bubbly personality and sense of humor seemed to melt away too…”

Imagine how much more exciting the frat would have been if he had a gun to enforce his opinion.

93 Gus  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:29:27pm

chemtrails site:rferl.org - Google Search

94 Gus  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:29:53pm

Nutters are nutty.

95 CuriousLurker  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:30:05pm

Drive-by: Just dropping off a little brain bleach for anyone who needs it. ;)

96 TedStriker  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:31:17pm

re: #90 goddamnedfrank

Putin has massively fucked over Russia’s future ability to negotiate in good faith. He can make all the excuses and distinctions he wants, most governments are likely to look at this as a willful and egregious treaty violation. The really shocking thing is how unnecessary and seemingly capricious this action is.

Little Big Man Syndrome.

97 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:31:45pm

It’s pretty bad when people pay more attention to your hair more than your words.

I learned that professional attire should be distracting. Basically, it’s a uniform appropriate to the industry. You want people to focus on you and your work not your shoes or your boobs.

Hair, make-up and jewelry should be current, age-appropriate, clean and boring.

Bling, false-eyelashes, bad comb-overs are for when you go out at night.

98 jaunte  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:32:00pm

re: #95 CuriousLurker

Back at you:
Youtube Video

99 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:32:07pm

re: #91 Skip Intro

A professor has an opinion about this.

>When May I Shoot a Student?

littlegreenfootballs.com

Those dumbasses in the legi won’t know what he’s talking about. Good points, though.

100 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:32:25pm

re: #87 EPR-radar

I’ve just discovered the wingnut form of the irresistible force and immovable object riddle.

Can employees carry at work independent of the wishes of their employers?

That was / is an issue here in Tenn, in 2012 a “guns in parking lots” bill was proposed that would have over-ridden the rights of companies to ban guns from their property. It would have allowed anybody who had a handgun carry permit to keep their weapon in their vehicle, as long as it was locked, company policy not-withstanding.

That bill failed, but a version passed last year that did allow for the rights of companies to establish their own policies on the matter, and that employees who violate that policy were not protected under this law.

Certain exceptions remain, schools, things like that where they are banned, period.

RBS

101 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:32:59pm

re: #95 CuriousLurker

If we are sharing baby pictures—I just love the smile on her face.

102 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:33:05pm

re: #90 goddamnedfrank

Putin has massively fucked over Russia’s future ability to negotiate in good faith. He can make all the excuses and distinctions he wants, most governments are likely to look at this as a willful and egregious treaty violation. The really shocking thing is how unnecessary and seemingly capricious this action is.

That’s pretty much the way I see it. Crimea/the Black Sea ports were some of the biggest prizes of centuries of Russian empire building, so it’s easy enough to see the motive here. But giving it away in a treaty and then arbitrarily taking it back by force is a real stinker, even in the cesspit of international relations.

103 CuriousLurker  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:33:07pm

re: #98 jaunte

Back at you:
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OMG, cuteness overdose!

104 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:33:26pm

re: #90 goddamnedfrank

Putin has massively fucked over Russia’s future ability to negotiate in good faith. He can make all the excuses and distinctions he wants, most governments are likely to look at this as a willful and egregious treaty violation. The really shocking thing is how unnecessary and seemingly capricious this action is.

I don’t think so. I would have thought the Russians might ship of Yanuk to Siberia for neglecting his duties and wasting Russian investments. But The Russians are going to give him safe haven out of loyalty. Most of Russia’s allies and business partners are authoritarian regimes and they are keeping loyal to the rulers (Syria, Iran, etc). Nobody’s really concerned about the country as a whole in these deals.

105 jaunte  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:33:58pm

re: #103 CuriousLurker

That’s a real workout, if you try to copy what they do.

106 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:34:09pm

Hillary Clinton Stands by Her Comparison of Russia’s Putin to Hitler

also Paged

107 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:35:18pm

re: #106 FemNaziBitch

Hillary Clinton Stands by Her Comparison of Russia’s Putin to Hitler

also Paged

We were discussing something similar about Russia and someone here said the other day that it’s not a Godwin if it’s true. Or something like that.

108 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:37:17pm

re: #107 FemNaziBitch

We were discussing something similar about Russia and someone here said the other day that it’s not a Godwin if it’s true. Or something like that.

Of course it’s not a Godwin if its true. If Putin and Putin apologists are bothered by the historical parallels, then Putin should stop making the same excuses for aggressive military action that Hitler did.

109 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:37:38pm


I’d say the GOP turns a blind eye to prevention of unplanned pregnancy. They just can’t seem to broach the “sex” subject.

110 jaunte  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:38:27pm

re: #109 FemNaziBitch

They have thousands of active Downthereologists.

111 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:39:24pm

re: #110 jaunte

They have thousands of active Downthereologists.

And not one of them can say “sex”.

Why is that?

112 chadu  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:42:08pm

re: #111 FemNaziBitch

And not one of them can say “sex”.

Why is that?

Either they:
1. Giggle
2. Blush
3. Stammer
4. Feel stirrings in the “down there” region
5. Some or all of the above

113 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:42:12pm

re: #104 Killgore Trout

I don’t think so. I would have thought the Russians might ship of Yanuk to Siberia for neglecting his duties and wasting Russian investments. But The Russians are going to give him safe haven out of loyalty. Most of Russia’s allies and business partners are authoritarian regimes

You have no fucking clue what you’re talking about, as per usual.

atlas.media.mit.edu

Most of Russia’s business partners are European countries, the US, Japan, other non-authoritarian regimes.

114 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:43:08pm
115 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:44:07pm

re: #102 EPR-radar

That’s pretty much the way I see it. Crimea/the Black Sea ports were some of the biggest prizes of centuries of Russian empire building, so it’s easy enough to see the motive here. But giving it away in a treaty and then arbitrarily taking it back by force is a real stinker, even in the cesspit of international relations.

It’s not like the Black Sea ports were in any danger, Russia could have maintained the current Novorossiysk lease until 2047. There were zero moves on the part of the post maidan Ukrainian govt to kick them out. This whole action is pure cost with no real benefit over inaction, and risks a Tatar insurrection.

116 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:46:07pm

re: #95 CuriousLurker

I just followed this man. Thanks for the post.

His posts are a hoot!

117 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:46:40pm

re: #115 goddamnedfrank

It’s not like the Black Sea ports were in any danger, Russia could have maintained the current Novorossiysk lease until 2047. There were zero moves on the part of the post maidan Ukrainian govt to kick them out. This whole action is pure cost with no real benefit over inaction, and risks a Tatar insurrection.

I have to believe that’s the one thing that all politicians in the Ukraine agree on —- don’t mess with the Black Sea ports and give Russia an excuse to invade.

It’s a shame this restraint don’t appear to have worked.

118 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:47:12pm

re: #112 chadu

Either they:
1. Giggle
2. Blush
3. Stammer
4. Feel stirrings in the “down there” region
5. Some or all of the above

6-talk about Jesus love for us
7-talk about the sacred nature of creation
8-talk about the instution of marriage as if you get a magic money tree when you say “I do”.

119 Gus  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:47:27pm

re: #114 Charles Johnson

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120 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:48:18pm

Oh, no.

Are back into Gold-Plated Tin Foil Hat Times?

I was really appreciate the respite from hearing about those things.

121 Gus  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:49:32pm

re: #120 FemNaziBitch

Oh, no.

Are back into Gold-Plated Tin Foil Hat Times?

I was really appreciate the respite from hearing about those things.

Oh well. I would like a respite from reading wingnut Tweets too but I find other things to do.

122 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:52:39pm
123 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:54:03pm

Remember? During Wendy Davis’s filibuster she was int erupted by a Peer who was also a Physician. He said they weren’t interested in closing clinics or denying women abortion —they just wanted to make sure it was as safe as possible…

124 CuriousLurker  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:54:06pm

re: #116 FemNaziBitch

I just followed this man. Thanks for the post.

His posts are a hoot!

Yeah, he’s a really nice man, and wise. He also avoids politics, which is nice to get away from sometimes. When people start with the pro-/anti-Zionism stuff, he warns them then just blocks them.

The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on. ;)

125 Political Atheist  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:55:14pm

re: #77 compound_Idaho

Private property? I’m with you. Public space, not so much. The stats on sexual assault in college towns is horrific. If a young women wants to carry, I’m pro choice.

Exactly. it’s a personal choice how/if to defend yourself. From pacifist to CCW.

126 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:55:46pm
127 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:56:31pm

re: #122 Charles Johnson

I actually saw that video when it came out. Never would have made the connection.

Disclaimer: I sometimes watch conspiracy theory shit on youtube as a sleep aid. I rarely make it through the first half hour.

128 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:56:50pm

re: #123 FemNaziBitch

Surprise, surprise, surprise. The whole point of the TX travesty is to force the clinics to close by imposing burdensome and unnecessary regulations.

129 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:57:05pm

re: #123 FemNaziBitch

Remember? During Wendy Davis’s filibuster she was int erupted by a Peer who was also a Physician. He said they weren’t interested in closing clinics or denying women abortion —they just wanted to make sure it was as safe as possible…

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That’s ten out of thirty. For anyone in South Texas, it’s now a 150 mile trip to Corpus. Through Border Patrol checkpoints. Good thing it’s not a war on women.

130 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:57:17pm

re: #125 Political Atheist

Exactly. it’s a personal choice how/if to defend yourself. From pacifist to CCW.

I want my Star Trek Phaser set to stun.

131 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:57:57pm

re: #128 EPR-radar

Surprise, surprise, surprise. The whole point of the TX travesty is to force the clinics to close by imposing burdensome and unnecessary regulations.

No surprise. The GOP didn’t fool anyone—even themselves.

Now they have to work that much harder to keep a majority in the State.

132 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 6:58:27pm

re: #129 austin_blue

That’s ten out of thirty. For anyone in South Texas, it’s now a 150 mile trip to Corpus. Through Border Patrol checkpoints. Good thing it’s not a war on women.

I thought many were just going to Mexico.

133 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:01:35pm
cishet

An abbreviation of cisgendered (opposite of “transgender”) heterosexual: a person that identifies as the sex they were born as and are attracted to the opposite. Mostly used in social justice circles as an ad hominem attack to people who have to audacity to be born identifying with their birth gender and have an opinion different than theirs/zheirs/xirs.

Person 1: Here’s what I think…

Person 2: SHUT CISHET CIS SCUM EXPRESSING YOUR VIEWPOINTS IS TRANSPHOBIC AND OPPRESSING ME! MAH FEELS~!!

How are us old people ‘possed to keep up?

134 Political Atheist  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:01:53pm

re: #130 FemNaziBitch

I want my Star Trek Phaser set to stun.

Heh. Me too. Trouble is in my state only police can have stun guns. I can ( but don’t) have a freaking Desert Eagle .50 that can blow through multiple walls, But not a taser pistol or even law enforcement effective strength pepper spray at home. Go figure.

135 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:02:59pm

I need a cheat sheet for all the new pronouns.

136 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:04:14pm

re: #132 FemNaziBitch

I thought many were just going to Mexico.

No. They were going to safe, clean facilities in the valley.

138 klys  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:05:10pm

re: #125 Political Atheist

Exactly. it’s a personal choice how/if to defend yourself. From pacifist to CCW.

Ok, but please don’t pretend it will make much difference in the sexual assault statistics, particularly in college towns.

Also, I really fucking hate the idea that the solution to stopping sexual assault is a gun. No. It’s not. (It does add a nice subtle touch of victim blaming, though, by promoting the concept that you won’t get raped if you do carry, and therefore it was your own choices (like not carrying!) that led to you being raped.) Solutions are things like raising people who are willing to respect other people’s autonomy and decisions when it comes to sex. It’s a culture where violating that is punished, not written off. It’s advocating enthusiastic consent. It is respecting the victims and their decisions.

139 jaunte  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:06:38pm

re: #138 klys

raising people who are willing to respect other people’s autonomy and decisions when it comes to sex

You radical.

140 Lidane  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:06:41pm

re: #79 klys

Just so you know, most sexual assault is not the stranger-accosts-woman in an alley sort of thing, particularly in a college town.

It’s a lot more something-slipped-in-a-drink-at-a-party or getting-a-woman-too-drunk-to-consent - situations where carrying doesn’t make any difference, really.

THIS. All the CCW laws in the world won’t save a woman from someone who gets close enough to spike her drink with Rohypnol.

And having a bunch of people around won’t necessarily save her either. A bartender friend of mine told me a story about a time he and a bunch of folks went on vacation together and were in a hotel. When he decided to grab a daiquiri on a whim from one of the trays they had at a party, he ended up choosing one that had been drugged. It hit him like a ton of bricks. He said he damn near immediately felt drunker than he’d ever been in his life and ended up losing an entire day sleeping it off.

It was the first time he’d ever considered that maybe the stories he’d heard about the spiked-drinks-at-a-party rapes were true.

141 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:07:02pm

re: #134 Political Atheist

Heh. Me too. Trouble is in my state only police can have stun guns. I can ( but don’t) have a freaking Desert Eagle .50 that can blow through multiple walls, But not a taser pistol or even law enforcement effective strength pepper spray at home. Go figure.

Not that I’m condoning it, but I’ve heard that the Wasp and Hornet spray that comes in a spray can that can shoot a 30 foot stream could be used as a VERY effective deterrent weapon if it came to that. Apparently a stream of nerve agent into the eyes, nose and mouth will take the steam right out of anyone.

Not that I’d condone that, of course…

RBS

142 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:08:31pm

re: #136 austin_blue

No. They were going to safe, clean facilities in the valley.

A Pill Available in Mexico Is a Texas Option for Abortion

In their continuing efforts to fix the economy, over the last year and a half or so, cage-rattling, game-changing conservative lawmakers have passed a record number of bills regulating banks and out of control financial institutions women’s access to medical care.

LOL

143 chadu  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:08:32pm

re: #137 FemNaziBitch

Arizona parents arrested after 3-year-old’s skeleton found in toy chest

What the fucking fuck?

144 kirkspencer  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:10:30pm

re: #141 RealityBasedSteve

Not that I’m condoning it, but I’ve heard that the Wasp and Hornet spray that comes in a spray can that can shoot a 30 foot stream could be used as a VERY effective deterrent weapon if it came to that. Apparently a stream of nerve agent into the eyes, nose and mouth will take the steam right out of anyone.

Not that I’d condone that, of course…

RBS

Don’t do it.

Yes, it’ll probably work if you hit the eyes, nose, and mouth. But it’s a poison. In most states poisoning someone, even if they don’t die, is a felony.

Most of them are also caustic which means if you hit the eyes you’ll permanently injure them. That means even if you avoid prison you get to pay your attacker a large chunk of money.

Don’t do it.

145 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:10:32pm

re: #141 RealityBasedSteve

Not that I’m condoning it, but I’ve heard that the Wasp and Hornet spray that comes in a spray can that can shoot a 30 foot stream could be used as a VERY effective deterrent weapon if it came to that. Apparently a stream of nerve agent into the eyes, nose and mouth will take the steam right out of anyone.

Not that I’d condone that, of course…

RBS

Camping stores sell bear spray which, according to the label, is unsafe for use on humans.

146 Lidane  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:10:40pm

re: #142 FemNaziBitch

A Pill Available in Mexico Is a Texas Option for Abortion

Just one more medical service that people will drive across the border for.

147 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:10:44pm

re: #140 Lidane

THIS. All the CCW laws in the world won’t save a woman from someone who gets close enough to spike her drink with Rohypnol.

And having a bunch of people around won’t necessarily save her either. A bartender friend of mine told me a story about a time he and a bunch of folks went on vacation together and were in a hotel. When he decided to grab a daiquiri on a whim from one of the trays they had at a party, he ended up choosing one that had been drugged. It hit him like a ton of bricks. He said he damn near immediately felt drunker than he’d ever been in his life and ended up losing an entire day sleeping it off.

It was the first time he’d ever considered that maybe the stories he’d heard about the spiked-drinks-at-a-party rapes were true.

Unless a person is very well trained in firearm use, a predator in close quarters is more likely to disarm the person. Remember, we call them predators for a reason.

I am very leary of CCW being effective as a rape-deterrant. Most rapes are not “the stranger in the bushes” sort. Shooting a person one knows or even loves is not something many women are prepared to do.

148 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:11:36pm

re: #141 RealityBasedSteve

Not that I’m condoning it, but I’ve heard that the Wasp and Hornet spray that comes in a spray can that can shoot a 30 foot stream could be used as a VERY effective deterrent weapon if it came to that. Apparently a stream of nerve agent into the eyes, nose and mouth will take the steam right out of anyone.

Not that I’d condone that, of course…

RBS

When I was in the military, I’d always bring home my gas mask before I’d use that shit. Nasty stuff.

149 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:13:25pm

re: #145 Killgore Trout

Camping stores sell bear spray which, according to the label, is unsafe for use on humans.

They also sell cast iron frying pans —no?

I hear they are effective.
Youtube Video

150 Political Atheist  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:13:48pm

re: #138 klys

Ok, but please don’t pretend it will make much difference in the sexual assault statistics, particularly in college towns.

Also, I really fucking hate the idea that the solution to stopping sexual assault is a gun. No. It’s not. (It does add a nice subtle touch of victim blaming, though, by promoting the concept that you won’t get raped if you do carry, and therefore it was your own choices (like not carrying!) that led to you being raped.) Solutions are things like raising people who are willing to respect other people’s autonomy and decisions when it comes to sex. It’s a culture where violating that is punished, not written off. It’s advocating enthusiastic consent. It is respecting the victims and their decisions.

I don’t pretend anything in terms of that topic.Statistics are just one part of a decision making process. Especially low resolution national numbers. Guns defend ordinary people tens of thousands of times per year. Sadly few reliable stats are available for lessor means of self defense like an old fashioned haymaker punch or kick to a soft spot. Or locked doors and windows.

Three things save lives against predators-Awareness, intelligence and training. None of those guarantee anything but a better fighting chance to avoid or prevail violet assault.

151 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:14:16pm

WTFITS?

Best photo of the day from CPAC, via Gawker:

Image: wnj0x42zqtrefuelgiky.jpg

edited to add link to original story.

152 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:15:57pm

re: #134 Political Atheist

Heh. Me too. Trouble is in my state only police can have stun guns.

Not at all true. You can have a contact stun gun. You can even have a taser as long as it’s the civilian version fired by compressed gas pressure and not the police version fired by blank cartridges.

153 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:17:25pm

re: #151 Rev_Arthur_Belling

WTFITS?

Best photo of the day from CPAC, via Gawker:

Image: wnj0x42zqtrefuelgiky.jpg

edited to add link to original story.

Dr. Seuss shorts?

154 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:19:11pm

re: #95 CuriousLurker

>Drive-by: Just dropping off a little brain bleach for anyone who needs it. ;)

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That looks just like Zedushka and Mushka!!!! Did you take that off my FB feed!!!

155 nines09  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:19:32pm

re: #153 FemNaziBitch

So as the tailor would ask; Stars or stripes? And they hate gays? Buffoons. Shat on a star, or was it a stripe? Lets look.

156 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:20:03pm

re: #153 FemNaziBitch

Dr. Seuss shorts?

At CPAC?

Or neo-acolytes of Terry Dolan?

157 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:20:33pm

More thoughts on CCW as a deterrent againts rape.

Predators choose prey. We’ve been taught not to act like prey.

I’ve often wonder if growing up in a house with guns and been taken to the shooting range when I was young did something to me —attitude wise.

I’ve never seemed to be a target for predators.

More likely a good father was more a contributing factor —I didn’t grow-up fearing violence. Therefore, I don’t act like prey.

158 klys  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:21:24pm

re: #150 Political Atheist

I don’t pretend anything in terms of that topic.Statistics are just one part of a decision making process. Especially low resolution national numbers. Guns defend ordinary people tens of thousands of times per year. Sadly few reliable stats are available for lessor means of self defense like an old fashioned haymaker punch or kick to a soft spot. Or locked doors and windows.

Three things save lives against predators-Awareness, intelligence and training. None of those guarantee anything but a better fighting chance to avoid or prevail violet assault.

And then there are people like my grandparents who kept a loaded gun in the bedroom drawer because it made them “feel safer.” (We didn’t know this until after my grandmother passed away and it was found.)

The context in which this conversation came up - and indeed, the post you initially replied to - was that young women especially should have the choice to carry in a college town because of the sexual assault statistics. I would, in fact, firmly advocate *against* carrying to feel safer for that reason, because if one feels “safe”, one is likely to let their guard down in other areas where they are more likely to be at risk to start with. Like parties.

Do you advocate carry while drinking? Because that, for example, is one of the places women are at risk for sexual assault.

159 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:27:13pm

Well, the bread is out of the oven and cooling, the laundry is done and put away, and the coffee pot is all set to have my brew waiting for when I get up in the morning.

If I keep going at this rate, I’ll be so domesticated that I might almost be marriageable. (given my track record… not likely)

Have a good evening, I’ve got a couple of things to do, then it’s off to the land of Nod.

RBS

160 Political Atheist  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:27:49pm

re: #147 FemNaziBitch

Unless a person is very well trained in firearm use, a predator in close quarters is more likely to disarm the person. Remember, we call them predators for a reason.

I am very leary of CCW being effective as a rape-deterrent. Most rapes are not “the stranger in the bushes” sort. Shooting a person one knows or even loves is not something many women are prepared to do.

CCW is not a deterrent. A hidden weapon is avoiding deterrence. An openly displayed weapon might be not a hidden one. All it does at best is provide a last resort that is really powerful, More powerful than any human. It can easily be a tragedy in an accident.

I have not ever seen anyone parlay CCW into blaming the victim for not carrying. I suppose somebody somewhere might think so I guess but what a load of crap. Beyond all reason.

Here is a question the innocent young single woman might ask herself if they want to be smart about self protection- First how do I avoid needing any “last resort”? Secondarily, what will I make available to myself or loved ones for a last resort if needed? Whatever that might be. Like a plan for how to flee. Whatever as was said above it’s a personal choice.

Sure gun ownership for defense and carry calls for a lot of training and practice. So maybe physical defense? Like MMA or JKD or whatever? Now that demands far more training and a bunch of physical conditioning to make that work. Hundreds of hours… Good gun training is tens of hours not hundreds, and the physically impaired are not at such a huge disadvantage to absorb the skills.

So what then? A one hour anti rape kubotan seminar ain’t it. What’s best? That is for each individual to decide. Hopefully without jeering critics.

161 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:29:16pm

re: #160 Political Atheist

How about teaching men not to rape?

162 dog philosopher  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:29:26pm

playlist in ihop - early 60s rock n roll

avg age of waitstaff - 3rd trimester

163 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:30:21pm

re: #162 dog philosopher

playlist in ihop - early 60s rock n roll

avg age of waitstaff - 3rd trimester

I feel your pain.

Isn’t there a local diner that is an option to the iHop in your area?

164 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:30:28pm

re: #157 FemNaziBitch

More likely a good father was more a contributing factor —I didn’t grow-up fearing violence. Therefore, I don’t act like prey.

This.

165 Lidane  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:32:06pm

re: #161 FemNaziBitch

How about teaching men not to rape?

EXACTLY. The simplest answer is usually best.

166 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:32:50pm

re: #165 Lidane

EXACTLY. The simplest answer is usually best.

The assumption that women have to have a plan of defense seems not to be working —eh?

167 klys  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:33:00pm

re: #161 FemNaziBitch

How about teaching men not to rape?

I don’t have enough updings to give this.

From my e-mail, this week (received in accordance with the Clery Act):

On February 26, 2014, a Campus Security Authority notified DPS that a female student had reported that a male acquaintance sexually assaulted her on February 21, 2014 at an undisclosed private residence on campus.
On March 2, 2014, a female student reported to DPS that an unknown male, possibly a student, gave her a drink which she believes may have contained a substance which caused her to become extremely dizzy and vomit. The incident occurred on March 2, 2014 at a [redacted].
On March 4, 2014, a Campus Security Authority notified DPS that a female had reported that a male student had sexually assaulted her on February 27, 2014 at a [redacted]. According to the victim, the perpetrator used significant force during the assault, including choking her. *

*Another source indicates this was an acquaintance.

I don’t think that there’s been a huge uptick this week in things happening, just that some of them actually got reported this week.

As opposed to normal.

168 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:33:01pm

So I watched Abby Martin’s interview.

I am now strongly of the position that her whole on-air protest was scripted agitprop.

Both her “protest” and her interview purposefully duck the subject of Russian action in Ukraine. Instead, the script is that war is the product of international meddling…the stuff Yanukovich tossed out when they started firing on Euromaidan protestors…and the bit about warmongering and the Cold War is totally Putin over the last few days.

The lead statement of being “antiwar” is just a vehicle for saying the same shit RT has been excreting.

169 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:34:21pm

re: #168 The Ghost of a Flea

So I watched Abby Martin’s interview.

I am now strongly of the position that her whole on-air protest was scripted agitprop.

Both her “protest” and her interview purposefully duck the subject of Russian action in Ukraine. Instead, the script is that war is the product of international meddling…the stuff Yanukovich tossed out when they started firing on Euromaidan protestors…and the bit about warmongering and the Cold War is totally Putin over the last few days.

The lead statement of being “antiwar” is just a vehicle for saying the same shit RT has been excreting.

Thanks for doing this —so the rest of didn’t have to.

Have you set-up a PayPal account for contributions to your therapy fund?

170 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:34:58pm

re: #161 FemNaziBitch

How about teaching men not to rape?

re: #165 Lidane

EXACTLY. The simplest answer is usually best.

Why has no one thought of this before?

171 Political Atheist  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:35:49pm

re: #158 klys

And then there are people like my grandparents who kept a loaded gun in the bedroom drawer because it made them “feel safer.” (We didn’t know this until after my grandmother passed away and it was found.)

The context in which this conversation came up - and indeed, the post you initially replied to - was that young women especially should have the choice to carry in a college town because of the sexual assault statistics. I would, in fact, firmly advocate *against* carrying to feel safer for that reason, because if one feels “safe”, one is likely to let their guard down in other areas where they are more likely to be at risk to start with. Like parties.

Do you advocate carry while drinking? Because that, for example, is one of the places women are at risk for sexual assault.

A woman in a college town should and does have exactly the same range of choices as in a non college town. What I advocate is a long hard look at the choices and responsibilities that come with those decisions.

Do I advocate carrying while drinking? Forgive my screaming all caps please. HELL NO !!!!! :-)

I have read up on what adrenaline does to judgement, memory and shooting ability. That’s already one drug too many and you can’t stop its production in your body in an assault real or perceived. No you can’t drink and drive, carry a gun, pilot a boat or even run a lawn mower or milling machine. Hell you should not even show up at work buzzed. Not even flipping burgers.

172 klys  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:37:59pm

re: #170 Decatur Deb

Why has no one thought of this before?

Because it’s so much easier to turn this into a women’s problem and ignore it.

173 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:38:26pm
174 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:38:44pm

Pecan Pie!

There was a power outage when I came home from work, that lasted for 3 hours and completely messed up my Thursday night pie schedule. Power came back on at 8 o’clock, don’t know what caused it as there has been no weather events but 250 customers lost power.

Anyway now I’m pooped.

175 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:40:11pm

re: #172 klys

Because it’s so much easier to turn this into a women’s problem and ignore it.

How about “Because no one knows how to do it”?

176 Political Atheist  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:40:57pm

re: #161 FemNaziBitch

How about teaching men not to rape?

Yup. Teach men not to rape & not to be violent at home. Spousal rape etc. Some date rape is guys that do not understand actually mean no harm and lie to themselves about what no means.

But some are thrill rapists/killers. They may or may not respond to education. They are addicted to violence or dominance. An addiction that we have no magic medicine for. We have deterrence and jail for them. And I like to hope the occasional hard target that turn the tables and gets away unhurt.

177 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:42:23pm

re: #169 FemNaziBitch

Thanks for doing this —so the rest of didn’t have to.

Have you set-up a PayPal account for contributions to your therapy fund?

I’m actually not traumatized,

Praise to Zardoz and his Brutals.

178 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:43:15pm

re: #161 FemNaziBitch

How about teaching men not to rape?

How about teaching monkeys not to jack-off and fling poo?

It’s not about sex, it’s about power and domination.

179 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:44:46pm

re: #176 Political Atheist

Yup. Teach men not to rape & not to be violent at home. Spousal rape etc. Some date rape is guys that do not understand actually mean no harm and lie to themselves about what no means.

But some are thrill rapists/killers. They may or may not respond to education. They are addicted to violence or dominance. An addiction that we have no magic medicine for. We have deterrence and jail for them. And I like to hope the occasional hard target that turn the tables and gets away unhurt.

I’d start with comprehensive sex ed —legal education in school. Predators would not have an excuse if brought to trial. The “I didn’t know it was rape” defense would never work.

Teaching young men that what they see in porn is NOT REAL—might be a way to start.

but then again that would require the use of the word “sex”.

We all know how that goes …

180 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:47:52pm

Creepy experience from a BBC reporter who was kidnapped by Russian soldiers and asked to strip off her clothes.

Marched off at gunpoint in Crimea

The Belbek airbase in Crimea is now famous for a tense confrontation between soldiers in Russian uniforms - without insignia - and Ukrainian troops, filmed by Western journalists.

Here Olga Ivshina, a BBC Russian Service reporter, describes her own tense exchanges with Russian-speaking troops controlling the base just outside Sevastopol.

“Don’t move or I’ll shoot!” someone shouts from the bushes. Slowly, I turn my head and see a gun fitted with a silencer, pointing at me.

…The soldier who has just accused me of spying looks straight in my eyes. Judging from his behaviour with the other soldiers he must be of a higher rank.

Under his camouflage jacket I see a vest with blue stripes. Then I spot a tattoo on the back of his hand: “za VDV”, signifying he is a “paratrooper”.

“And your boots are a bit special,” he tells me. “Ordinary people don’t wear boots like that. Quality leather.”

“Yes, they’re good,” I reply. “But they’re rather small. They won’t fit you.”

“Do you have tattoos?”

“No,” I answer.

“Take your clothes off, we’re going to check.”

…

181 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:48:33pm

re: #173 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]

I’m old enough to remember Wolf Blitzer reporting live on CNN from under his bed in a Baghdad hotel at the start of Gulf War I with the Iraqi police knocking on the door. It was riveting TV at the time.

182 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:49:45pm

re: #180 NJDhockeyfan

Creepy experience from a BBC reporter who was kidnapped by Russian soldiers and asked to strip off her clothes.

Marched off at gunpoint in Crimea

The old tattoo check gambit.

183 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:51:49pm

re: #161 FemNaziBitch

How about teaching men not to rape?

That’s something that should be done. But it has to be said that no matter how good education is, a small minority of men are still going try to rape a woman. The reason vary, but as we know they’re power related. For that minority, the pursuit of the ‘high’ that power brings is going to break past their education. And in those cases, the woman who is the object of his thirst for power must have access to the ability to defend herself from it.

184 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:51:50pm

re: #182 Killgore Trout

The old tattoo check gambit.

Or old ‘let’s start a war’ gambit:

Image: File:Spaniards_search_women_1898.jpg

185 klys  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:53:12pm

re: #175 Decatur Deb

How about “Because no one knows how to do it”?

I’m unwilling to accept that there are no ways to do so, and believe there is every incentive to try to find a way that works.

Where is the burden placed on men to make sure their fellow humans don’t commit rape or sexual assault? I’m pretty sure the “avoiding sexual assault in college life” list for women is a hell of a lot longer than it is for men, and yet it’s ultimately a male’s choices that result in a woman being assaulted. Women are supposed to do everything we can to minimize being in that position and guys are supposed to do …what? I’m sure the guy’s roommate never notices if he brings back a woman who’s slurring her words and can’t walk straight. Or never notices that his frat brother is always getting drinks for a girl who ends up sleeping with him later that night.

The burden of defense should not be exclusively on women.

186 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:54:56pm

re: #184 Decatur Deb

Or old ‘let’s start a war’ gambit:

Image: File:Spaniards_search_women_1898.jpg

“You provide the pictures, I’ll provide the war.” - William Randolph Hearst
That drawing was part of Hearst’s war drive.

187 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:55:30pm
188 Ming  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:55:41pm

Why is Glenn Greenwald is attacking Liz Wahl? OK, we know part of the answer is that he’s an angry guy. But why specifically Ms. Wahl?

We don’t know why Ms. Wahl stayed at RT for so long. We don’t know where she’d like to work next. Of course, it’s easy to speculate: TV anchor jobs are hard to find; it’s only natural to assume she would like to work for another network. But we don’t know very much about her.

One thing we do know, notwithstanding her past hypocritical involvement with RT. On live TV, she made a principled and heartfelt denunciation of Putin’s Russia. She sided with the United States over Russia. To Glenn Greenwald, that’s more than enough to make her The Enemy.

189 calochortus  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:56:49pm

re: #185 klys

Reducing the social acceptability of rape is a great idea, however, I would also point out that both the prohibition of rape and the existence of rape show up on a list of “human universals” that have shown up in all known cultures.

Rape could be a lot less common, but it will never be eliminated.

190 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:56:49pm

re: #185 klys

I’m unwilling to accept that there are no ways to do so, and believe there is every incentive to try to find a way that works.

Where is the burden placed on men to make sure their fellow humans don’t commit rape or sexual assault? I’m pretty sure the “avoiding sexual assault in college life” list for women is a hell of a lot longer than it is for men, and yet it’s ultimately a male’s choices that result in a woman being assaulted. Women are supposed to do everything we can to minimize being in that position and guys are supposed to do …what? I’m sure the guy’s roommate never notices if he brings back a woman who’s slurring her words and can’t walk straight. Or never notices that his frat brother is always getting drinks for a girl who ends up sleeping with him later that night.

The burden of defense should not be exclusively on women.

It’s not. Much of it is written into law. The problem remains—who has developed and fielded an effective anti-rape education campaign and what part of the diverse rapist population does it reach?

191 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:56:54pm

re: #183 Dark_Falcon

That’s something that should be done. But it has to be said that no matter how good education is, a small minority of men are still going try to rape a woman. The reason vary, but as we know they’re power related. For that minority, the pursuit of the ‘high’ that power brings is going to break past their education. And in those cases, the woman who is the object of his thirst for power must have access to the ability to defend herself from it.

WHAT EDUCATION?

192 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 7:58:51pm

re: #189 calochortus

Reducing the social acceptability of rape is a great idea, however, I would also point out that both the prohibition of rape and the existence of rape show up on a list of “human universals” that have shown up in all known cultures.

Rape could be a lot less common, but it will never be eliminated.

So, let’s just throw our hands up and say “oh well”.

193 DKoch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:00:11pm

Abby Martin [of truther.org] protesting the Bilderberg Group with Alex Jones in 2008.

why do they all wear black?

194 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:00:37pm

re: #185 klys

I’m unwilling to accept that there are no ways to do so, and believe there is every incentive to try to find a way that works.

Where is the burden placed on men to make sure their fellow humans don’t commit rape or sexual assault? I’m pretty sure the “avoiding sexual assault in college life” list for women is a hell of a lot longer than it is for men, and yet it’s ultimately a male’s choices that result in a woman being assaulted. Women are supposed to do everything we can to minimize being in that position and guys are supposed to do …what? I’m sure the guy’s roommate never notices if he brings back a woman who’s slurring her words and can’t walk straight. Or never notices that his frat brother is always getting drinks for a girl who ends up sleeping with him later that night.

The burden of defense should not be exclusively on women.

You’re talking about matters of honor and duty. Men have to be raised and trained to believe in such things and too many of them are not. An honorable man would indeed act in those cases, but a man must be taught what honor is and why it matters while he is still a boy.

195 calochortus  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:00:53pm

re: #192 FemNaziBitch

So, let’s just throw our hands up and say “oh well”.

Not at all, I merely point out that the total elimination of rape is a very unlikely prospect.
The near-elimination of date rape is an excellent goal.

196 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:01:10pm

re: #191 FemNaziBitch

WHAT EDUCATION?

Image: A-Clockwork-Orange-1971.jpg

197 klys  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:01:21pm

re: #189 calochortus

Reducing the social acceptability of rape is a great idea, however, I would also point out that both the prohibition of rape and the existence of rape show up on a list of “human universals” that have shown up in all known cultures.

Rape could be a lot less common, but it will never be eliminated.

I know, and I don’t really expect it to be, as fantastic as that would be. This mostly got started because of the CCW because of sexual assault statistics bit.

I think advocating a sex-positive culture would go a long way to reducing it, though.

198 dog philosopher  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:02:25pm

re: #193 DKoch

why do they all wear black?

not too many colors match well with paranoid

199 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:03:40pm

This

and

This

200 calochortus  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:03:51pm

re: #197 klys

I know, and I don’t really expect it to be, as fantastic as that would be. This mostly got started because of the CCW because of sexual assault statistics bit.

I think advocating a sex-positive culture would go a long way to reducing it, though.

Undoubtedly-as would recognizing men and women as different from each other but equal in value and dignity.

201 Political Atheist  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:04:59pm

re: #179 FemNaziBitch

I’d start with comprehensive sex ed —legal education in school. Predators would not have an excuse if brought to trial. The “I didn’t know it was rape” defense would never work.

Teaching young men that what they see in porn is NOT REAL—might be a way to start.

but then again that would require the use of the word “sex”.

We all know how that goes …

Agreed in full. First lesson-No means effing NO. Destroy the “no means maybe” myth. Burn it to the ground. Crap on the ashes.


Only yes means yes.

202 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:05:01pm

re: #192 FemNaziBitch

So, let’s just throw our hands up and say “oh well”.

No, use a realistic, detailed strategy to prevent as many of the things called ‘rape’ as possible. Start with definition, analysis, prioritization, and resourcing. Then build the legal, cultural, and educational structures that can be tested and adjusted to the proper effect. Along the way develop political leadership that will do what you actually want. Try to get it done before the end of Spring Break.

203 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:05:38pm

re: #201 Political Atheist

Agreed in full. First lesson-No means effing NO. Destroy the “no means maybe” myth. Burn it to the ground. Crap on the ashes.

I think that meme was switched to Only Yes means Yes.

204 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:08:00pm

re: #202 Decatur Deb

No, use a realistic, detailed strategy to prevent as many of the things called ‘rape’ as possible. Start with definition, analysis, prioritization, and resourcing. Then build the legal, cultural, and educational structures that can be tested and adjusted to the proper effect. Along the way develop political leadership that will do what you actually want. Try to get it done before the end of Spring Break.

We are making great strides in awareness and outreach anyway. The UN is investing a lot right now. There are women here in the US and all over the planet standing up against violence and Men are beginning to find their voice within the feminist world.

We have to keep the momentum going.

205 Political Atheist  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:08:24pm

re: #203 FemNaziBitch

I’ll edit as suggested…

206 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:10:00pm

re: #204 FemNaziBitch

We are making great strides in awareness and outreach anyway. The UN is investing a lot right now. There are women here in the US and all over the planet standing up against violence and Men are beginning to find their voice within the feminist world.

We have to keep the momentum going.

Here’s a hint from the applied anthropologists—find a place where there really isn’t much rape and try to adopt what they do.

207 klys  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:10:26pm

re: #190 Decatur Deb

It’s not. Much of it is written into law. The problem remains—who has developed and fielded an effective anti-rape education campaign and what part of the diverse rapist population does it reach?

At this point, I am unclear what you’re arguing: that if one doesn’t exist at this point, it will never exist and we shouldn’t bother? Are you aiming for saying that because this doesn’t fix the problem immediately, we should go home?

I don’t know what’s out there that’s effective at this point in time. I am quite sure there are people much better versed in that field than me looking into it, and I support it. I also support a sex-positive culture, where asking for advice on how to get your girlfriend to sleep with you even when she’s expressed a desire not to have sex is rightfully frowned upon. I’m not so naive as to think this fixes the problem entirely or will happen overnight, but I also am not so naive as to think a gun is going to keep me from being raped if someone slips something in my drink. At that point, my defense is having friends around willing to look out for me - or, hopefully, an on-the-ball, observant stranger.

(This is, of course, assuming that I have accepted a drink I didn’t see made, which would be violating one of those rules that women are supposed to follow to avoid being raped.)

208 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:13:03pm

re: #193 DKoch

[Embedded image]

Abby Martin [of truther.org] protesting the Bilderberg Group with Alex Jones in 2008.

why do they all wear black?

The tube top is a disgrace.

209 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:13:10pm

re: #207 klys

Check 202, 206.

Then avoid simplistic bumpersticker nostrums like “Teach Men Not to Rape/Kill/Steal/Covet Their Neighbor’s Goods.”

210 Political Atheist  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:13:13pm

re: #203 FemNaziBitch

I think that meme was switched to Only Yes means Yes.

Mea Culpa. Been out of the new lover dating game since 1980. And my fostered girl in her teens was very proactive about who she went out with or hung out around.

211 calochortus  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:14:15pm

re: #207 klys

I’m going to suggest we also teach women that it’s OK to say “yes”. Preferably after they’ve given the matter a little thought.

212 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:14:24pm

And while we’re on this topic, this CNN story is relevant. But I’ve gotta warn you folks, this is an issue where most of this group is going to be on the opposite side of this issue from Claire McCaskill and on the same side as Ted Cruz:

The U.S. Senate on Thursday defeated an impassioned legislative push to reduce the growing problem of sex assault in the armed forces by overhauling the way the military prosecutes serious crimes.

By a vote of 55 to 45, a bill championed by Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand failed to get the 60 votes needed for passage.

SNIP

Sen. Claire McCaskill, a Missouri Democrat, led the effort to defeat Gillibrand’s bill.

The former prosecutor pointed to several significant reforms that became law last year she said would increase prosecutions of sex assault.

They include: removing the authority of commanders to overturn convictions; providing attorneys to victims; making it a crime to retaliate against a victim; and requiring a dishonorable discharge for anyone convicted of sexual assault.

McCaskill warned that removing commanders from the process could leave victims more vulnerable to retaliation.

The video on the story’s page is of Sen. Cruz speaking in support of Sen. Gillibrand’s legislation.

213 klys  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:14:40pm

re: #211 calochortus

I’m going to suggest we also teach women that it’s OK to say “yes”. Preferably after they’ve given the matter a little thought.

Agreed.

214 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:15:19pm

re: #211 calochortus

I’m going to suggest we also teach women that it’s OK to say “yes”. Preferably after they’ve given the matter a little thought.

ahhhh, now that would be a novel concept, wouldn’t it.

No more slut shaming?

215 calochortus  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:16:13pm

re: #214 FemNaziBitch

ahhhh, now that would be a novel concept, wouldn’t it.

No more slut shaming?

A woman who controls her own sexuality isn’t a slut, so she can hardly be shamed. Right?

216 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:18:04pm

re: #215 calochortus

A woman who controls her own sexuality isn’t a slut, so she can hardly be shamed. Right?

I think you may be on to something. …

217 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:18:18pm

So … just found out I’m related to Gordon Kahl.

Jeez that guy was an asshole.

218 calochortus  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:20:40pm

re: #216 FemNaziBitch

I think you may be on to something. …

Maybe, but it will never catch on… At least not of our guardians of feminine purity have anything to say about it.

219 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:21:38pm

re: #218 calochortus

Maybe, but it will never catch on… At least not of our guardians of feminine purity have anything to say about it.

Well, if you have a negative attitude, you can’t contribute to the change we want … .

220 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:22:05pm

re: #214 FemNaziBitch

ahhhh, now that would be a novel concept, wouldn’t it.

No more slut shaming?

I think men need to be taught that there’s no class of woman that you’re allowed to treat differently with regards to consent and decorum. I’m sick of the way the ladies/whores dichotomy is purpose-built so that guys can act like shits, yet imagine themselves honorable.

Oh, and no more of that “she said yes once, therefore I can assume it’s always yes.”

221 calochortus  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:26:46pm

re: #219 FemNaziBitch

Well, if you have a negative attitude, you can’t contribute to the change we want … .

Woohoo! Free Love!

222 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:28:53pm

re: #221 calochortus

Woohoo! Free Love!


“When I was young, I believed in free love—it was the only kind I could afford.”
—Spy Who came In From the Cold

223 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:29:47pm

Traveling for a week, will try to check in.

‘Night, all.

224 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:31:06pm

Heh. Canada just told the Russian military to GTFO…

225 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:32:22pm

re: #150 Political Atheist

I don’t pretend anything in terms of that topic.Statistics are just one part of a decision making process. Especially low resolution national numbers. Guns defend ordinary people tens of thousands of times per year. Sadly few reliable stats are available for lessor means of self defense like an old fashioned haymaker punch or kick to a soft spot. Or locked doors and windows.

Three things save lives against predators-Awareness, intelligence and training. None of those guarantee anything but a better fighting chance to avoid or prevail violet assault.

We were talking about rape, which usually comes from someone you know. Often a boyfriend or someone else trusted.

226 klys  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:33:25pm

re: #209 Decatur Deb

Check 202, 206.

Then avoid simplistic bumpersticker nostrums like “Teach Men Not to Rape/Kill/Steal/Covet Their neighbor’s Goods.”

Perhaps you didn’t mean it this way, but I resent the implication that women are not even allow to vent frustration at the way the burden of defense against sexual assault falls totally on the woman until there is apparently a legal, educational, and logistical framework in place to reduce this that has been extensively tested and revised.

I understand you might be coming from the position of “simple frustration doesn’t accomplish anything” but that makes a lot of assumptions about what I do or don’t do on my own, outside of this blog, on this issue.

227 calochortus  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:35:46pm

Time to power down the computer for the evening.
Hasta mañana, lizards.

228 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:36:14pm

re: #220 The Ghost of a Flea

I think men need to be taught that there’s no class of woman that you’re allowed to treat differently with regards to consent and decorum. I’m sick of the way the ladies/whores dichotomy is purpose-built so that guys can act like shits, yet imagine themselves honorable.

Oh, and no more of that “she said yes once, therefore I can assume it’s always yes.”

Well, somewhere I have a great graphic for that, but I cannot locate it.

229 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:46:14pm

Late to the party, but FWIW, I work on a college campus, and am utterly and completely opposed to any form of concealed or open carry by anyone other than LEO on campus. Period.

A college campus is a hothouse of stress, libidos, alcohol and drugs, people living in close quarters who despise each other, stupid pranks and assorted other vectors that make such laws an invitation for mayhem. On *any* campus, public or private, religious or secular.

230 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:47:32pm

re: #217 goddamnedfrank

So … just found out I’m related to Gordon Kahl.

Jeez that guy was an asshole.

Ya gotta laugh. What else?

231 Political Atheist  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 9:08:09pm

re: #152 goddamnedfrank

Not at all true. You can have a contact stun gun. You can even have a taser as long as it’s the civilian version fired by compressed gas pressure and not the police version fired by blank cartridges.

Hang on a second. I’m willing to put away the .45 and swap for a taser pistol. Contact taser? Screw that it’s a really bad idea to let a predator get that close. But I want the best one. You only get one shot. Which kinda sucks. Or better yet let me have a really short shotgun and the bean bag rounds.

Seriously how many disadvantages should one build in? One too many and I stick with a real firearm.

232 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 9:25:35pm

re: #231 Political Atheist

Hang on a second. I’m willing to put away the .45 and swap for a taser pistol. Contact taser? Screw that it’s a really bad idea to let a predator get that close. But I want the best one. You only get one shot. Which kinda sucks. Or better yet let me have a really short shotgun and the bean bag rounds.

Seriously how many disadvantages should one build in? One too many and I stick with a real firearm.

Ok, great, but that’s an entirely different argument. You said earlier that stun guns are illegal for civilians to own in California, when they’re not.

233 Ming  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 9:44:37pm

re: #229 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Late to the party, but FWIW, I work on a college campus, and am utterly and completely opposed to any form of concealed or open carry by anyone other than LEO on campus. Period.

A college campus is a hothouse of stress, libidos, alcohol and drugs, people living in close quarters who despise each other, stupid pranks and assorted other vectors that make such laws an invitation for mayhem. On *any* campus, public or private, religious or secular.

Remembering how crazy my own years in college were, I completely agree.

I suspect that many, probably most college campuses need more law-enforcement personnel.

Every college campus should have a culture of treating everyone with respect, and respecting people’s boundaries and their right to say no.

For many teenagers, college is a difficult time, their first time away from home, maybe in a faraway city, with all kinds of new people they’ve never even imagined. To say the least, adding firearms to that mix would not make things any easier.

234 Amory Blaine  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 11:52:08pm

One potential problem with carrying a weapon is ok, I have a weapon and I feel safe now. Safe enough to be emboldened to situations I would have avoided before, causing me greater risk?

235 skylarkingtomfoolery  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 3:52:49am

re: #229 Rev_Arthur_Belling

One more thing about college campuses, particularly residential campuses…

Mental illnesses such as bipolar, depression, and schizophrenia often manifest for the first time in individuals 17-20 years of age, just when college freshman are away from home for the first time. Without a network of people who might recognize major personality changes in these individuals, they are particularly at risk for not getting help. This is not a demographic that benefits from MOAR GUNZ.

236 chadu  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 4:30:52am

re: #179 FemNaziBitch

Teaching young men that what they see in porn is NOT REAL—might be a way to start.

But we have photographic evidence of it! It must be real!

Next you’ll be telling me robots covered in skin don’t travel back from the future to kill waitresses.

237 Political Atheist  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:08:51am

re: #232 goddamnedfrank

Hionestly that surprised me. Either the form from taser is wrong or the guys at LAPD Gun Detail misinformed me. And BTW they have declared they will not comply with the recent court ruling and will continue to ignore rulings against their policy.

238 Political Atheist  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:10:08am

re: #225 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

We were talking about rape, which usually comes from someone you know. Often a boyfriend or someone else trusted.

Right Usually. Thanks.


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