Luca Stricagnoli on Seven-String Acoustic Guitar - the Last of the Mohicans

And two other guitars played with a violin bow
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“Promentory”, acoustic version from the original soundtrack of “The Last Of The Mohicans” (based on Dougie MacLean’s “The Gael”), arranged and performed by Luca Stricagnoli on three guitars (Standard, Baritone and 7 String) made by Davide Serracini. The bass line is played using a violin bow.

Luca Stricagnoli (guitarist): https://it-it.facebook.com/lucastricagnolifanpage
Davide Serracini (luthier): http://www.serracini.it/wordpress/
Luca Pedroni (recording): http://www.lucapedroni.it/
Video by http://www.pazart.it

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239 comments
1 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 11:57:14am

Is this thing on? Or did the world end and I’m alone?

2 Political Atheist  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 12:04:37pm

re: #1 Iwouldprefernotto

*jumps* Huh? I was just kinda lost in the video. Never seen a bow used on a guitar. Maybe I need to get out in the city more.

3 Kid A  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 12:07:51pm

Overrated.
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4 Kid A  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 12:10:11pm

A nice frame I shot last night while on assignment. Nikon D3s & 200-400mm; 1/1250 sec. @f4, ISO 2500 (in other words, amazing stadium light).

5 Kid A  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 12:10:58pm

One more. Pre-game, 24-70mm.

6 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 12:11:35pm

I think this guy really needs to be able to own as many high-powered firearms as he wants. My favorite photo from CPAC.

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NATIONAL HARBOR, MD - MARCH 07: Student David Allerhand gets a little instruction from Claudia Olsen at the National Rifle Association’s laster target range at the Conservative Political Action Conference at the Gaylord International Hotel and Conference Center March 7, 2014 in National Harbor, Maryland.

7 Ryan King  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 12:13:49pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

The tongue sticking out with the childish grin really makes it.

8 jaunte  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 12:15:15pm

Magtech Tactical Tongue.

9 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 12:20:35pm

Charles P. Pierce nails it of course.

McCain should pay a heavy price for unleashing this ignorant, two-wheeled bilewagon on the country’s politics. If you think she’s a legitimate political leader, you’re an idiot and a sucker and I feel sorry for you.

esquire.com

10 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 12:23:39pm

The Wingbro/Dudenut Convergence Meme

11 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 12:28:42pm

re: #9 Stanley Sea

12 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 12:32:17pm

Fixed it.

13 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 12:32:54pm

re: #2 Political Atheist

*jumps* Huh? I was just kinda lost in the video. Never seen a bow used on a guitar. Maybe I need to get out in the city more.

Jimmy Page many years ago used the bow.

14 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 12:33:30pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

I think this guy really needs to be able to own as many high-powered firearms as he wants. My favorite photo from CPAC.

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Picking his nose with his tongue.

15 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 12:35:08pm

heh…

16 lawhawk  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 12:36:06pm

re: #4 Kid A

Great shot!

17 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 12:38:02pm

U know that “not your body” meme anti-choice dudes love so much?

18 Testy Toad T  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 12:40:13pm

re: #17 Pie-onist Overlord

That fetus should stop depending on handouts from the 1% (bodyweight percentile) and pull itself up by its own dang bootstraps.

19 jaunte  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 12:41:53pm

BBC:

Elsewhere on Sunday:

In the eastern city of Donetsk, pro-Russian protesters take down a Ukrainian flag near the regional government building, replacing it with a Russian flag;

In Kharkiv, also in the east, some 10,000 people reportedly march to support Ukraine’s unity, chanting “No to war!” and “Ukraine, Kharkiv, Crimea!”

In Yevpatoriya, western Crimea, pro-Russian forces threaten to storm the command point of a Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile unit if the personnel there do not surrender their weapons, a representative of the base tells BBC News.

20 danarchy  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 12:41:58pm

NatGeo is running all of the Carl Sagan Cosmos series before tonights Neil DeGrasse Tyson remake premiere’s. I think it is a good excuse for a lazy afternoon on the couch.

21 Testy Toad T  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 12:42:26pm

Seriously, the darned Big Government is trying to raise the minimum wage free fetus room and board duration. Why don’t we let the fetus room owners decide how long they think the fetus should be allowed to stay? If the fetus thinks the stay isn’t long enough, then it can just go find a different place to stay.

22 Political Atheist  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 12:43:12pm

So Putin says it’s all up to the Crimeans to vote and become a part of the nation they choose. Just up and split from Ukraine.

Well then. How about we have a few votes like that for these countries that have expressed a desire to move away from Russian governance?

Source-Wiki

Russia’s other European regions[edit]
See also: Separatist movements in Asian Russia
Tatarstan Tatarstan
Political party: All-Tatar Public Center
Movement: Tatar Youth Union “Azatlyk”
Proposed state: Tatarstan, Idel-Ural
Udmurtia Udmurtia
Movement: Congress of the Peoples of Udmurtia
Proposed state: Idel-Ural
Chuvashia Chuvashia
Movement: Chuvash Youth Union
Proposed state: Idel-Ural
Mari El Mari El
Proposed state: Idel-Ural
Mordovia Mordovia
Proposed state: Idel-Ural
Bashkortostan Bashkortostan
Movement: Bashkir social movement “Kuk bure”
Proposed state: Idel-Ural
Komi Republic Komi Republic
Proposed state: Komi Republic
Karelia
Proposed state: East Karelia or reunification with North Karelia and South Karelia and the formation of united Karelia or Finland[citation needed]
Kalmykia Kalmykia[citation needed]
Ingria
Proposed state: Ingria (comprises Saint Petersburg and Leningrad Oblast)[citation needed]
Prussia
Proposed state: Prussia (comprises Kaliningrad Oblast and Various Areas In Northern Poland)
Political parties Baltic Republican Party[24]

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Texas. But just until a white guy is President.

23 Flounder  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 12:44:41pm

Great musical choice for today Charles. Daughter unit and Wifey love it!

24 lawhawk  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 12:45:15pm

So, the conspiracy theories and just plain nutty are coming out with respect to the mystery of what happened with the Malaysian Air MH370 flight.

There’s some indication that Vietnamese authorities have found a piece of wreckage that might be a part of the downed Boeing 777, but Drudge is linking to WND (and yes, it’s WND) is speculating that a missile shot it down, and that the missile belonged to the North Koreans.


Their “proof”? That a North Korean missile came close to hitting a Chinese plane a few weeks ago, and that this could have been another instance.

However, the likelihood that it was a North Korean missile is somewhere between slim and none. It would have had to fly over Vietnam, Cambodia, China, South Korea, and international waters all along the way. Someone, particularly the Chinese or Vietnamese would have picked it up on military radar systems.

google.com

Could it have been a missile launched from a ship somewhere in the Gulf of Thailand? Again, that’s remote. Radar tracks would likely have picked something up.

But the thing that works against that theory is the ongoing revelations that at least two, if not four people on board had done so with stolen passports and that authorities have admitted that they don’t do sufficient checks to make sure that people boarding planes aren’t using stolen passports. In other words, it’s an admission of a huge security hole.

25 Kid A  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 12:45:42pm

re: #16 lawhawk

Great shot!

Thanks, Lawhawk! And thanks for all you do interpreting the law for us here at LGF.

26 Testy Toad T  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 12:52:11pm

re: #24 lawhawk

I can’t wait for even more pervasive and nonsensical Security Theater.

27 jaunte  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 12:55:52pm

Behind the Rocket Cat

…”The plan has a certain crazed cleverness to it: cats are, after all, extremely good at getting into places where they aren’t supposed to be. And early modern cities were crawling with stray felines, meaning that even a cat with a suspicious package might have escaped notice.”

28 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 12:57:09pm

re: #27 jaunte

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Behind the Rocket Cat

Rocket Cat.

29 RealityBasedSteve  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 12:58:12pm

re: #24 lawhawk

So, the conspiracy theories and just plain nutty are coming out with respect to the mystery of what happened with the Malaysian Air MH370 flight.

There’s some indication that Vietnamese authorities have found a piece of wreckage that might be a part of the downed Boeing 777, but Drudge is linking to WND (and yes, it’s WND) is speculating that a missile shot it down, and that the missile belonged to the North Koreans.

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Let us see…. Soviet S-400 has a range of about 400 km, US Patriot about 150 km, looking at the map it looks like about 3500 + km from southernmost point of North Korea to the Gulf of Thailand. Of course I’m sure that the NKs have managed to strap together 10 + SAMs to work as one big one. After all, all their other technology has worked so fine. /

Do people even do the MOST BASIC thinking? Is there a switch inside their head marked “Discriminate for BS and Stupidity” that is safety-wired into the “OFF” position. Are they just hard-wired for conspiracy?

There are many many unanswered questions about this incident, and will be until, with careful research and study, the truth (or as much as can be determined) comes out. That, of course, will not satisfy the “I want my ANSWER, I want it NOW, and I want it SCARY” crowd.

ARRGH…. My calm is now officially disturbed.

RBS

30 jaunte  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 12:58:16pm

re: #28 Iwouldprefernotto

Gatling Camel.

Gatling Camel

31 jaunte  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:00:37pm
32 Ming  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:04:07pm

re: #9 Stanley Sea

Excellent Esquire article. More Americans need to speak up about this. It’s really incredible, what almost happened in 2008. A stunning American vulnerability, and we need to (finally) deal with it head-on.

33 Political Atheist  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:05:37pm

re: #29 RealityBasedSteve

Let us see…. Soviet S-400 has a range of about 400 km, US Patriot about 150 km, looking at the map it looks like about 3500 + km from southernmost point of North Korea to the Gulf of Thailand. Of course I’m sure that the NKs have managed to strap together 10 + SAMs to work as one big one. After all, all their other technology has worked so fine. /

Do people even do the MOST BASIC thinking? Is there a switch inside their head marked “Discriminate for BS and Stupidity” that is safety-wired into the “OFF” position. Are they just hard-wired for conspiracy?

There are many many unanswered questions about this incident, and will be until, with careful research and study, the truth (or as much as can be determined) comes out. That, of course, will not satisfy the “I want my ANSWER, I want it NOW, and I want it SCARY” crowd.

ARRGH…. My calm is now officially disturbed.

RBS

Oh you had not heard about the NK seekrit Navy that will destroy the south & US military at any provocation?

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34 RealityBasedSteve  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:08:58pm

re: #33 Political Atheist

Oh you had not heard about the NK seekrit Navy that will destroy the south & US military at any provocation?

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Is that the one with the nuclear powered aircraft carriers that can fly and are also submarines? (Or am i getting confused again?)

RBS

35 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:10:46pm

re: #32 Ming

Excellent Esquire article. More Americans need to speak up about this. It’s really incredible, what almost happened in 2008. A stunning American vulnerability, and we need to (finally) deal with it head-on.

One of the comments sticks with me…..

Glennis Waterman * Top Commenter * Sycamore High School
I have to say, I watched her lead-in to reading “Green Eggs and Ham”, and the part where she invokes her son Trig is one of the creepiest things I’ve ever heard. “Lucky little fella” she said, smirking, and with resentment simmering beneath. That’s the tone strung-out babysitters use moments before shoving the kid’s face into the oatmeal bowl; that’s the tone baby-kissing pols use when a kid bursts into tears before them. That is not the tone a mother would use when referring to her own child. Also, the fact that this whole outpouring of bile is framed as a bedtime reading to him….It made my skin crawl, really.

There is something especially nasty about Sister Sarah. I know she’s in it for the money, but it comes from her heart - she’s not acting.

36 jaunte  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:12:21pm

Here’s a spectacularly bad idea:

37 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:12:30pm

re: #31 jaunte

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Whoa, a carrier in the region. That’s impossible, we never do anything “strong.”

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38 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:15:10pm

OT, getting totally psyched for March Madness.

39 Kid A  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:16:01pm

Amazing, via Raw Story:

I do not like this Palin chick
With every word a dirty trick.
I do not like her looks so smug.
I do not like her lying mug.
I do not like her love for guns.
I do not like the way she runs.
I do not like her soundy-bites.
Or the cheating way she fights.
I do not like her flirty ways.
Or how she coyly bashes gays.
I don’t like her religion, no.
Or how she murders wildlife, so.
I do not like this Palin chick.
She has the brainpower of a brick.

40 Kragar  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:16:03pm

re: #36 jaunte

Here’s a spectacularly bad idea:

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I’ll pass.

41 Testy Toad T  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:16:51pm

re: #39 Kid A

Proud to be first upding.

42 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:18:46pm

re: #39 Kid A

I hearted it.

43 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:19:25pm
44 freetoken  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:20:19pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

Are you sure that is from 2010?

45 Kragar  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:21:37pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

Yeah, that date is way off

46 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:28:13pm

I know, folks - typo. I deleted the tweet and posted a new one.

The photo was actually taken in 1995.

47 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:30:03pm
48 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:30:14pm
49 Kragar  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:32:59pm
50 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:36:49pm

re: #24 lawhawk

North Korean missile? Meh. I suppose it’s possible but the fact that it would require accurately hitting a target makes me lean towards no.

51 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:37:11pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

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Hey we finally found something she reads. It just happens to be the JBS newsletter.

52 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:38:47pm

Speaking of Palin, saw a blurb that she used Green Eggs and Ham to condemn Obamacare? I guess she never got to the end of the story where the main character discovers that green eggs and ham is quite good. I know reading is hard for her but that’s so Palin.

53 andres  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:40:28pm

re: #19 jaunte

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BBC:

This is getting worst by the day…

Should we mark this as the start of WW3? /-semi

54 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:40:39pm

re: #52 HappyWarrior

Speaking of Palin, saw a blurb that she used Green Eggs and Ham to condemn Obamacare? I guess she never got to the end of the story where the main character discovers that green eggs and ham is quite good. I know reading is hard for her but that’s so Palin.

I saw the pictures of her holding a Dr Suess book yesterday and thought it was just one of Gus’ photoshops.

55 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:40:40pm

re: #51 HappyWarrior

Hey we finally found something she reads. It just happens to be the JBS newsletter.

Naw, she was probably just looking at the pictures…

56 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:42:24pm

Comcast is turning into quite the megacorporation
Comcast challenging Disney’s hold on tourism trade

57 Kragar  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:42:56pm

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

Naw, she was probably just looking at the pictures…

She only gets it for the articles.

Wait a second…

58 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:43:41pm

re: #54 Killgore Trout

I saw the pictures of her holding a Dr Suess book yesterday and thought it was just one of Gus’ photoshops.

Apparently not. I just think it’s funny that apparently missed the whole moral of that story.

59 Ojoe  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:44:34pm

OK Now there’s this, maybe 300 musician playing the tune at night:

Youtube Video

60 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:44:55pm

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

Naw, she was probably just looking at the pictures…

True, it was probably the JBS children’s newsletter where there’s an anti-commie word find. She hasn’t found the word sedition yet.

61 jaunte  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:45:00pm

re: #58 HappyWarrior

She would have had to finish it.

62 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:46:28pm

re: #61 jaunte

She would have had to finish it.

Yeah. And Dr. Seuss always had a problem with wingnuts using his work to use for their own agenda. Seuss hated the pro life movement using Horton Hears a Who.

63 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:46:34pm

re: #58 HappyWarrior

Apparently not. I just think it’s funny that apparently missed the whole moral of that story.

As did Ted Cruz. She just copied his shtick. Sister Sarah just scans Breitbart for tips and plagiarizes them. She is so stupid.

64 Kragar  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:47:24pm
65 andres  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:47:29pm

re: #22 Political Atheist

So Putin says it’s all up to the Crimeans to vote and become a part of the nation they choose. Just up and split from Ukraine.

Well then. How about we have a few votes like that for these countries that have expressed a desire to move away from Russian governance?

Source-Wiki

[snip]
EDIT-Our list
Texas. But just until a white rich Republican guy is President.

FTFY.

I don’t think they’ll be happy to have another Democratic President, even if he happens to be white.

66 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:48:14pm

re: #63 Stanley Sea

As did Ted Cruz. She just copied his shtick. Sister Sarah just scans Breitbart for tips and plagiarizes them. She is so stupid.

That’s right, Cruz did do that. God she can’t even be original when it comes to schitcik.

67 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:48:21pm

Top of the rec list at Dkos: Support the troops? Stuff a sock in it…

With the possible exception of one or two major wars, it’s been mostly used to assert and maintain American economic supremacy.

Think about it: in your lifetime, can you name a honorable war Americans have fought? Keep in mind what war is all about: it’s (mostly) daddies killing other kids daddies. So far as I’m concerned, you need a pretty damned good reason to justify that.

Yet time and time again, we go to war to protect and expand the power of American elites. We send poor off to die for the rich. We kill innocent people for the benefit of the guilty.

And then we say military service is honorable and we should support the troops?
…..(Soldiers), not the military industrial complex - that do the killing. Ultimately, they pull the trigger.

68 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:48:34pm

One calm grumpy kitty.

69 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:49:06pm

re: #64 Kragar

Brooks Brothers Suit Sale.

70 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:50:00pm

Tip Jar (72+ / 0-)

71 andres  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:51:21pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

Tip Jar (72+ / 0-)

Ok, we get it, DKos has a lot of douchebags signed in.

72 Ming  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:51:24pm

re: #35 Stanley Sea

…There is something especially nasty about Sister Sarah. I know she’s in it for the money, but it comes from her heart - she’s not acting.

I’m regularly stunned by how much anger she has inside her. It’s not very subtle! I wish more people would take notice of it.

73 freetoken  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:51:50pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

Tip Jar (72+ / 0-)

So few?

74 freetoken  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:52:19pm

Personally, I’ve always found the “support the troops” phrase to be slightly offensive.

75 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:52:30pm

re: #73 freetoken

So few?

It’s relatively new, only been up a couple hours.

76 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:53:48pm

re: #72 Ming

I’m regularly stunned by how much anger she has inside her. It’s not very subtle! I wish more people would take notice of it.

That was actually the first thing I noticed about her. She’s got a lot of rage in her. She’s convinced herself that liberals hate her because she chose to keep her son who had Downs. And I think that beyond ideology is why I despise this woman. I admit, it’s personal for me since my great aunt had Downs and I know how much my grandfather loved his older sister and while he was not a wealthy man was very generous in donating to charities that helped children with Downs. He also was a staunch Democrat.

77 Ming  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:54:04pm

re: #68 Stanley Sea

I love Grumpy Cat!

78 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:54:36pm

re: #74 freetoken

Personally, I’ve always found the “support the troops” phrase to be slightly offensive.

It’s a rallying cry for WAR couched in a feel goody way.

It’s bullshit.

79 freetoken  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:54:57pm

re: #78 Stanley Sea

It’s a shame-mechanism.

80 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:55:58pm

re: #74 freetoken

Personally, I’ve always found the “support the troops” phrase to be slightly offensive.

It can be weird and jingoistic, I get that but labeling the troops murdering agents of the American corporatist elites is a whole swing in the very wrong direction. I understand the mentality exists among progressives (and other groups too) but it’s ugly. I guess I find it interesting to see people display it openly. It’s a bit like racism: I get that a lot of people are racist but most have the sense to keep it under wraps.

81 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:56:46pm

re: #79 freetoken

It’s a shame-mechanism.

Exactly.

82 jaunte  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 1:58:45pm

re: #74 freetoken

Personally, I’ve always found the “support the troops” phrase to be slightly offensive.

Especially when ones family members feel the hypocrisy of it after their duty ends, and their benefits get cut.

83 Ojoe  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:00:09pm

WHY STOP?

Youtube Video

84 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:00:42pm

re: #80 Killgore Trout

Downdinged for yet another of your completely broad brush (and baseless) charges against progressives, despite your vague (and other groups).
FYI: A large part of DailyKos was taken over by non-progressive loons a long time ago. Cherry picking links there to bolster your pet peeves against progressives and liberals is quite ridiculous

85 Kragar  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:01:04pm

re: #74 freetoken

Personally, I’ve always found the “support the troops” phrase to be slightly offensive.

Conservatives don’t support the troops. They support weapons systems as long as they get built in the right places.

86 freetoken  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:02:51pm

re: #80 Killgore Trout

Well, then I’m swinging in a “very wrong direction”.

From trying to research my ancestors one of the few bits of insight that I’ve come away with is how ordinary everyone’s involvement in conflict appear to have been. Most everyone was involved in this-or-that conflict.

One of my discoveries is that one of my 6th great grandfathers died in the French and Indian war. He was relatively wealthy at the time, estate owner, many slaves, etc. So why did he go off to war? It’s not written down, but there were many who joined in that effort, which had everything to do with colonial powers jockeying for influence.

I’m not sure there are any “high grounds” in war. Maybe some less-horrible reasons to go to war, on a relative scale. In the end it is just about humans killing each other for control (often of land.)

87 Ojoe  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:06:08pm

re: #86 freetoken

Sometimes people go to war because the alternative is worse, like in this Churchill quote:


“Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”

88 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:06:35pm

re: #80 Killgore Trout

“Support the troops”? Hogswallop.

I went into a public-house to get a pint of beer,
The publican he up and says “We serve no red-coats here.”
The girls behind the bar they laughed and giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again and to myself says I:
O it’s Tommy this, and Tommy that, and “Tommy, go away”;
But it’s “Thank you, Mister Atkins”, when the band begins to play,
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it’s “Thank you, Mister Atkins”, when the band begins to play.

That’s all it ever is with the ones who shriek it the loudest.

Now take your trolling elsewhere.

89 Ming  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:06:58pm

re: #76 HappyWarrior

I admire your grandfather’s generosity.

The way Palin talks about her son with Downs, he seems like a political prop, period. The story she told about his birth (this is HER story) is remarkable. She gave a political speech in Texas, then flew from Texas to Alaska, then took a second, local flight to an Alaska hospital, all this after her water broke?

It’s funny, but that’s actually the opposite of the Mama Grizzly meme. It’s awesome, how dedicated human and animal Moms (and Dads) are to protecting their children. It takes a serious dysfunction, such as mental illness, for a Mom to give a political speech, then fly thousands of miles, when every bone in her body should be focused on her baby. Palin is actually the anti-Mama Grizzly.

It’s easy to not realize that not all crazy people are in mental hospitals. Some of them walk among us. And one of them got 46% of the vote as a potential Commander In Chief.

90 freetoken  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:10:07pm

I am not an idealist. I do not believe humans will eradicate war.

I just don’t want to promote it or elevate it.

91 Political Atheist  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:12:45pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

Wish Twitter would hurry up and roll out that editing feature already.

If you have an extra ban hammer lying about maybe a trade would be best for all.

92 Ojoe  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:12:46pm

re: #90 freetoken


Dark hills at evening in the west,
Where sunset hovers like a sound
Of golden horns that sang to rest
Old bones of warriors under ground,
Far now from all the bannered ways
Where flash the legions of the sun,
You fade—as if the last of days
Were fading, and all wars were done.


— E.A. Robinson

93 freetoken  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:15:31pm

Besides nuclear war, we still are looking at the possibility of future biological warfare on a scale which will trivialize all past wars.

Something all these arm-chair warmongers seem to forget, when they are playing out their fantasies of being great generals.

94 A Mom Anon  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:16:43pm

re: #71 andres

Like DKos is THE ONLY WEBSITE LIBERALS LOVE. I haven’t read anything from there in at least 4 yrs. I am proudly liberal. Marcos (Kos) is no more relevant politically than I am, the site members are such a tiny minority of liberals nationwide the whole thing is laughable.

95 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:17:37pm

re: #82 jaunte

Especially when ones family members feel the hypocrisy of it after their duty ends, and their benefits get cut.

96 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:18:15pm
97 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:18:29pm
98 Kragar  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:20:49pm

re: #93 freetoken

Besides nuclear war, we still are looking at the possibility of future biological warfare on a scale which will trivialize all past wars.

Something all these arm-chair warmongers seem to forget, when they are playing out their fantasies of being great generals.

“I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation. War is hell.”
- William Tecumseh Sherman

Also:

“War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.”
- William Tecumseh Sherman

“Every attempt to make war easy and safe will result in humiliation and disaster.”
- William Tecumseh Sherman

Basically, avoid war as much as possible, but when it happens, don’t pussy foot around, hit them hard and make it hurt.

100 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:24:17pm

re: #98 Kragar

“I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation. War is hell.”
- William Tecumseh Sherman

Also:

“War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.”
- William Tecumseh Sherman

In other words, nip it in the bud.

I understand his sentiment —he had probably seen some gruesome stuff and it weighed heavy on him.

In the nuclear age, that doesn’t work tho.

Diplomacy and trade are the tools we have.
“Every attempt to make war easy and safe will result in humiliation and disaster.”
- William Tecumseh Sherman

Basically, avoid war as much as possible, but when it happens, don’t pussy foot around, hit them hard and make it hurt.

101 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:24:54pm

re: #94 A Mom Anon

Like DKos is THE ONLY WEBSITE LIBERALS LOVE. I haven’t read anything from there in at least 4 yrs. I am proudly liberal. Marcos (Kos) is no more relevant politically than I am, the site members are such a tiny minority of liberals nationwide the whole thing is laughable.

troll says oooga booga daily kos.

102 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:26:56pm

re: #98 Kragar

“I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation. War is hell.”
- William Tecumseh Sherman

Also:

“War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.”
- William Tecumseh Sherman

“Every attempt to make war easy and safe will result in humiliation and disaster.”
- William Tecumseh Sherman

Basically, avoid war as much as possible, but when it happens, don’t pussy foot around, hit them hard and make it hurt.

“It is well that war is so terrible - otherwise we would grow too fond of it.”
- Robert E. Lee

103 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:29:16pm

re: #35 Stanley Sea

One of the comments sticks with me…..

There is something especially nasty about Sister Sarah. I know she’s in it for the money, but it comes from her heart - she’s not acting.

True Believer

104 A Mom Anon  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:29:19pm

re: #102 Targetpractice

Yeah, it’s kinda funny that those who are fond of it never spent much time involved in it, directly at least.

105 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:29:58pm

From the linked story:

KYIV, Mar 8, 2014 (UBO) - A letter signed by every major Jewish leader in Ukraine tells Putin in no uncertain words that Viktor Yanukovych’s charges, being used as justification for his invasion of Ukrainian territory is “simply a lie, from the first word to the very last.” The letter also tells Putin in part:

Unfortunately, we must admit that in recent days stability in our country has been threatened. And this threat is coming from the Russian government, namely - from you personally. It is your policy of inciting separatism and crude pressure placed on Ukraine that threatens us and all Ukrainian people, including those who live in Crimea and the Ukrainian South-East. South-eastern Ukrainians will soon see that for themselves.

106 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:30:30pm

107 chadu  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:33:04pm

re: #1 Iwouldprefernotto

Is this thing on? Or did the world end and I’m alone?

No one here but us ducks.

Quack.

108 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:34:05pm

re: #104 A Mom Anon

Yeah, it’s kinda funny that those who are fond of it never spent much time involved in it, directly at least.

Today’s example #1

109 Kragar  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:34:09pm

re: #100 FemNaziBitch

I understand his sentiment —he had probably seen some gruesome stuff and it weighed heavy on him.

In the nuclear age, that doesn’t work tho.

Diplomacy and trade are the tools we have.

Its not that it doesn’t work, it just works differently now

110 chadu  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:34:37pm

re: #10 Pie-onist Overlord

The Wingbro/Dudenut Convergence Meme

When is CPoIP (Crotch Punch Over IP) beta-ing, again?

111 chadu  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:35:16pm

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just like Cruz, was it?

112 Ojoe  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:35:30pm

re: #102 Targetpractice

Sherman was, in the big picture, a humanitarian.

He also said: “Men are blind and crazy.”

113 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:36:02pm

re: #108 Stanley Sea

Today’s example #1

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Yeah, we had Rumsfeld last week, Cheney this week. If Bush is next week, then I’m gonna toss my cookies. These fuckers deserve to be political pariahs, instead of popular guests in the Beltway.

114 Stephen T.  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:36:09pm

re: #31 jaunte

I find the news about USS George H.W. Bush entering the Black Sea only on blog sites and not on any of the usual news sites. Unless someone has a better source, I’m calling shenanigans.

115 chadu  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:37:01pm

re: #21 Testy Toad T

Seriously, the darned Big Government is trying to raise the minimum wage free fetus room and board duration. Why don’t we let the fetus room owners decide how long they think the fetus should be allowed to stay? If the fetus thinks the stay isn’t long enough, then it can just go find a different place to stay.

Freeloadin’ deadbeat moocher fetuses. What have they ever done for us? Or society?

116 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:37:18pm
117 Kragar  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:37:35pm

Fun fact: Prior to the Civil War, both Sherman and Grant had effectively failed in their military careers. Grant had left because of his drinking problems and Sherman had left because of his problems with the pre-war military culture.

“Grant stood by me when I was crazy, and I stood by him when he was drunk, and now we stand by each other.”
- William Tecumseh Sherman

118 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:39:24pm
The system shows that the average wholesale price of 100 doxycycline pills made by Watson with a strength of 100 milligrams is $328.20. The same number of doxycycline pills at the same strength made by Mylan cost $1,314.83.
119 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:39:33pm

re: #114 Stephen T.

I find the news about USS George H.W. Bush entering the Black Sea only on blog sites and not on any of the usual news sites. Unless someone has a better source, I’m calling shenanigans.

I believe she is too large to enter the Black Sea.

120 chadu  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:39:40pm

re: #28 Iwouldprefernotto

Rocket Cat.

She packed my catnip last night, pre-flight
Zero hour, nine a.m.
And I’m gonna be high as a kite by then.

And I think it’s gonna be a long, long time ‘til touch down brings me round again to find I’m not the cat they think I am at home
Oh no, no, no, I’m a rocket cat
Rocket cat, burning out his fuse up here… alone.

121 Ojoe  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:39:52pm

re: #117 Kragar

“War is the remedy our enemies have chosen & I say let us give them all they want.”

— W.T. Sherman

If this really is your attitude, and people know it, they will leave you alone, and war will be prevented.

(Si vis pacem para bellum).

Some things never change.

122 Kragar  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:40:30pm

re: #112 Ojoe

Sherman was, in the big picture, a humanitarian.

He also said: “Men are blind and crazy.”


Sherman’s response to the Mayor of Atlanta:

123 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:41:26pm

re: #114 Stephen T.

I find the news about USS George H.W. Bush entering the Black Sea only on blog sites and not on any of the usual news sites. Unless someone has a better source, I’m calling shenanigans.

It is there for a scheduled port visit.

USS George H.W. Bush Arrives in Turkey

124 Ojoe  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:42:02pm

re: #122 Kragar

“I will share with you the last cracker.”

I am a great admirer of Sherman

125 chadu  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:42:24pm

re: #52 HappyWarrior

Speaking of Palin, saw a blurb that she used Green Eggs and Ham to condemn Obamacare? I guess she never got to the end of the story where the main character discovers that green eggs and ham is quite good. I know reading is hard for her but that’s so Palin.

I liked it better* the first time I heard it, during Ted Cruz’s flibby-luster.

* No, not really.

126 Kragar  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:42:48pm

“I want peace, and believe it can now only be reached through union and war, and I will ever conduct war with a view to perfect an early success. But, my dear sirs, when that peace does come, you may call on me for anything. Then will I share with you the last cracker, and watch with you to shield your homes and families against danger from every quarter.”
- William Tecumseh Sherman

127 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:42:50pm

Rough pronunciation of Tecumseh??

Don’t recall or didn’t study in the school.

128 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:43:00pm
129 chadu  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:43:43pm

re: #63 Stanley Sea

As did Ted Cruz. She just copied his shtick. Sister Sarah just scans Breitbart for tips and plagiarizes them. She is so stupid.

I think “stupid” would be an improvement.

I’m… not sure her IQ is above 80.

130 Kragar  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:45:07pm

re: #127 Stanley Sea

Rough pronunciation of Tecumseh??

Don’t recall or didn’t study in the school.

Tay-cum-say.

Some accounts say that was his actual given name and he took William as a name later when he became a foster child.

131 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:45:45pm

re: #130 Kragar

Tay-cum-say.

Some accounts say that was his actual given name and he took William as a name later when he became a foster child.

Ya, a Native American name.

Thanks!

132 Ojoe  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:46:50pm

re: #130 Kragar

His family called him “Cump”

“William” was added later so he would have an acceptable Christian name.

133 Kragar  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:47:40pm

re: #131 Stanley Sea

Ya, a Native American name.

Thanks!

His father had studied the Shawnee.

134 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:47:52pm
Taibbi says his decision to leave Rolling Stone was predicated in part on the need to make a change and “keep from falling into a pattern,” and partly by his desire to “be on Glenn’s side.” Glenn being Glenn Greenwald, who, along with Laura Poitras and Jeremy Scahill, is currently editing another First Look property, the national-security-centric The Intercept, which has been live since February. “Glenn’s in this position of being a reporter trying to put out material that came from a whistle-blower, and now they’re both essentially in exile. It’s crazy. If the press corps that existed in the ’60s and ’70s had seen this situation, they’d be rising as one and denouncing the government for it,” Taibbi says.
135 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:49:39pm

re: #130 Kragar

Tay-cum-say.

Some accounts say that was his actual given name and he took William as a name later when he became a foster child.

Ta-cum-saaaa

last sylable like the u in crush.

that’s how I was taught.

136 CuriousLurker  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:50:37pm

I’m a liberal, even a progressive liberal, but I have a hard time understanding how a person with any critical thinking skills can appear to assert that certain cherry-picked “diary” pages posted at a single website are somehow indicative of what liberals and/or liberal progressives, as a group, think about complex issues (not all liberals are progressive and vice versa1). At best, all a diary is is one person’s opinion, an opinon which may collect up to several hundred mixed comments and dozens or even hundreds of up-votes.

How does that tiny little sample become representative of a group of tens of millions? I never even go to DKos—the only time I see their articles are when someone (usually KT) posts them here, so I’m guessing that even though he claims to be a “classical liberal”, he reads them far more than I do. Strange that.

FWIW, I have nothing against DKos, I just don’t care for the site’s design and don’t find many of the diaries particularly interesting. As a matter of fact, apart from LGF I don’t read any political blogs—left, right or center—on a regular basis. I use LGF to gauge what’s happening on any given day, then I read the articles linked to (often from other political sources), and follow that up with looking for hard news on the stories I’m interested in. Finally, I come back here for discussion.

I guess I must not qualify as a real liberal, huh? //

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1. “What are ‘Liberals,’ What are ‘Progressives,’ and Why the Difference Matters” PoliticusUSA. 15 June 2013. Retrieved 9 March 2014.

137 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:52:04pm

re: #136 CuriousLurker

I’m a liberal, even a progressive liberal, but I have a hard time understanding how a person with any critical thinking skills can appear to assert that certain cherry-picked “diary” pages posted at a single website are somehow indicative of what liberals and/or liberal progressives, as a group, think about complex issues (not all liberals are progressive and vice versa1). At best, all a diary is is one person’s opinion, an opinon which may collect up to several hundred mixed comments and dozens or even hundreds of up-votes.

How does that tiny little sample become representative of a group of millions? I never even go to DKos—the only time I see their articles are when someone (usually KT) posts them here, so I’m guessing that even though he claims to be a “classical liberal”, he reads them far more than I do. Strange that.

FWIW, I have nothing against DKos, I just don’t care for the site’s design and don’t find many of the diaries particularly interesting. As a matter of fact, apart from LGF I don’t read any political blogs—left, right or center—on a regular basis. I use LGF to gauge what’s happening on any given day, then I read the articles liked to (often from other political sources), and follow that up with looking for hard news on the stories I’m interested in. Finally, I come back here for discussion.

I guess I must not qualify as a real liberal, huh? //

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1. “What are ‘Liberals,’ What are ‘Progressives,’ and Why the Difference Matters” PoliticusUSA. 15 June 2013. Retrieved 9 March 2014.

I hate labels.

138 CuriousLurker  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:53:24pm

re: #137 FemNaziBitch

I hate labels.

Me too, they tend to be inaccurate when applied to large groups.

139 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:54:42pm

re: #138 CuriousLurker

Me too, they tend to be inaccurate when applied to large groups.

One word can mean so many different things —depends on the person hearing the word.

Meaning is rarely conveyed from the speaker to the listener, IMHO.

140 chadu  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:55:10pm

re: #89 Ming

I admire your grandfather’s generosity.

The way Palin talks about her son with Downs, he seems like a political prop, period. The story she told about his birth (this is HER story) is remarkable. She gave a political speech in Texas, then flew from Texas to Alaska, then took a second, local flight to an Alaska hospital, all this after her water broke?

It’s funny, but that’s actually the opposite of the Mama Grizzly meme. It’s awesome, how dedicated human and animal Moms (and Dads) are to protecting their children. It takes a serious dysfunction, such as mental illness, for a Mom to give a political speech, then fly thousands of miles, when every bone in her body should be focused on her baby. Palin is actually the anti-Mama Grizzly.

It’s easy to not realize that not all crazy people are in mental hospitals. Some of them walk among us. And one of them got 46% of the vote as a potential Commander In Chief.

Yup.

Especially if her Wild Ride story is true, I want that woman nowhere near any levers of power for any level of public service.

The entire rationale for endangering the baby, herself, and a planeful of people was, quoth Todd Palin, “You can’t have a fish-picker from Texas,” unquoth.

Fuck off and die, Palins.

141 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:55:24pm

re: #136 CuriousLurker

I’m a liberal, even a progressive liberal, but I have a hard time understanding how a person with any critical thinking skills can appear to assert that certain cherry-picked “diary” pages posted at a single website are somehow indicative of what liberals and/or liberal progressives, as a group, think about complex issues (not all liberals are progressive and vice versa1). At best, all a diary is is one person’s opinion, an opinon which may collect up to several hundred mixed comments and dozens or even hundreds of up-votes.

How does that tiny little sample become representative of a group of millions? I never even go to DKos—the only time I see their articles are when someone (usually KT) posts them here, so I’m guessing that even though he claims to be a “classical liberal”, he reads them far more than I do. Strange that.

FWIW, I have nothing against DKos, I just don’t care for the site’s design and don’t find many of the diaries particularly interesting. As a matter of fact, apart from LGF I don’t read any political blogs—left, right or center—on a regular basis. I use LGF to gauge what’s happening on any given day, then I read the articles liked to (often from other political sources), and follow that up with looking for hard news on the stories I’m interested in. Finally, I come back here for discussion.

I guess I must not qualify as a real liberal, huh? //

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1. “What are ‘Liberals,’ What are ‘Progressives,’ and Why the Difference Matters” PoliticusUSA. 15 June 2013. Retrieved 9 March 2014.

CL, great post.

The Daily Kos (i.e. Koz Kids) hate goes back a long way here. What’s hilarious is how the resident (I so yearn for the old days or something troll) is relying using it today.

oooga booga!

142 Mattand  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 2:59:48pm

re: #136 CuriousLurker

Pretty much on the same page (pun semi-intended) with you about Kos. For whatever reason, I’ve never bothered to read it. I had an impression that it was far, far left for the longest time.

And like you, the only time I hear about it is when the resident libertarian* here points to it in order into get in their RDA of Balance Fariy. Which makes me think I’ve been wrong about it, given said libertarian’s view on other liberal media figures.

*From what I’ve read, there’s very little daylight between “classical liberal” and “libertarian”. Obdicut did a fairly brutal comparison a few years back as well.

143 thedopefishlives  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:00:56pm

Evening Lizardim. I have returned from the bleak and sterile north to the relative safety of the Cities. How have things been going in my absence?

144 Mattand  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:02:43pm

re: #143 thedopefishlives

Evening Lizardim. I have returned from the bleak and sterile north to the relative safety of the Cities. How have things been going in my absence?

Judging by CPAC, Sarah Palin still can’t string together two barely coherent sentences.

145 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:02:58pm

re: #142 Mattand

Pretty much on the same page (pun semi-intended) with you about Kos. For whatever reason, I’ve never bothered to read it. I had an impression that it was far, far left for the longest time.

And like you, the only time I hear about it is when the resident libertarian* here points to it in order into get in their RDA of Balance Fariy. Which makes me think I’ve been wrong about it, given said libertarian’s view on other liberal media figures.

*From what I’ve read, there’s very little daylight between “classical liberal” and “libertarian”. Obdicut did a fairly brutal comparison a few years back as well.

Wow, we all win the award for tolerance.

I go off occasionally, today is my day I guess. Most other days I’ve perfected the scroll by.

146 thedopefishlives  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:03:39pm

re: #144 Mattand

Judging by CPAC, Sarah Palin still can’t string together two barely coherent sentences.

Ah. So business as usual, then.

147 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:04:17pm

re: #146 thedopefishlives

Ah. So business as usual, then.

I’m still on the same page —you know which one.

148 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:04:41pm

re: #146 thedopefishlives

Ah. So business as usual, then.

You betcha!

/

149 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:07:04pm

I’ve not thought well of Dkos from way back in the day. Lately, I have to admit I find things there of interest. Therefore, I must give credit where credit is due.

It’s not a main source for me, tho.

150 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:07:46pm

re: #143 thedopefishlives

Evening Lizardim. I have returned from the bleak and sterile north to the relative safety of the Cities. How have things been going in my absence?

and how is MrsFish and all the Littlefishes?

151 ObserverArt  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:08:08pm

re: #135 FemNaziBitch

Ta-cum-saaaa

last sylable like the u in crush.

that’s how I was taught.

That’s how most Ohioans pronounce it. And he is all over this state in likeness and in word.

Shawnee leader/warrior Tecumseh is celebrated in an outdoor drama in the Chillicothe area. He was a great Indian war leader against the US government so his name fit for the Civil War General Sherman. General Sherman was born only a few years after Tecumseh died. Sherman’s father liked the tales of the native warrior Tecumseh. Amazing how that worked out as far as both being relentless warriors.

152 TedStriker  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:12:43pm

re: #85 Kragar

Conservatives don’t support the troops. They support weapons systems as long as they get built in the right places.

And, to “true conservatives”, the troops are only as useful so long as they can get political play out of them; after that, they’re on their own.

Just like with their stance on a woman’s choice IRT to pregnancy, contraception, and abortion; coincidence?

153 TedStriker  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:13:42pm

re: #80 Killgore Trout

It can be weird and jingoistic, I get that but labeling the troops murdering agents of the American corporatist elites is a whole swing in the very wrong direction. I understand the mentality exists among progressives (and other groups too) but it’s ugly. I guess I find it interesting to see people display it openly. It’s a bit like racism: I get that a lot of people are racist but most have the sense to keep it under wraps.

Generalize much?

154 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:16:31pm

re: #153 TedStriker

Generalize much?

He desperately needs a lefty version of the TP.

155 CuriousLurker  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:16:38pm

re: #141 Stanley Sea

re: #142 Mattand

What I don’t get is the constant harping on “outrage!” and the summoning of the MBF at assert how the liberal media distorts things as badly as the conservative media, all while presenting things in a distorted way.

I used to know an Iranian taxi driver who loved doing that. He’d come up to the airport cab line, walk up to the covered/shaded area where all the drivers sat, and then proceed to troll people—usually setting them against one another, which ended in bloody fist-fights more than once. The guy? He’d just sit there grinning maddeningly, like…

American McGee’s Cheshire Cat

156 jaunte  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:17:04pm

re: #114 Stephen T.

I find the news about USS George H.W. Bush entering the Black Sea only on blog sites and not on any of the usual news sites. Unless someone has a better source, I’m calling shenanigans.

It’s Antalya, not on the Black Sea.

157 jaunte  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:17:46pm

USS George H.W. Bush Arrives in Turkey
navy.mil

158 freetoken  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:17:47pm

It feels later than it should… which is especially weird as we sprang forward and not backward, but I’m feeling like it is evening already.

We should just abandon this whole clock-change thing. Our society can now handle transportation at various parts of the day.

159 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:18:07pm

re: #149 FemNaziBitch

I’ve not thought well of Dkos from way back in the day. Lately, I have to admit I find things there of interest. Therefore, I must give credit where credit is due.

It’s not a main source for me, tho.

Kilgore makes me look. I then find great diaries.

OOOGA BOOGA

160 freetoken  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:19:13pm

Seriously, can’t we all just use UTC and get over the idea of “high noon”?

161 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:19:42pm

re: #155 CuriousLurker

What I don’t get is the constant harping on “outrage!” and the summoning of the MBF at assert how the liberal media distorts things as badly as the conservative media, all while presenting things in a distorted way.

I used to know an Iranian taxi driver who loved doing that. He’d come up to the airport cab line, walk up to the covered/shaded area where all the drivers sat, and then proceed to troll people—usually setting them against one another, which ended in bloody fist-fights more than once. The guy? He’d just sit there grinning maddeningly, like…

American McGee’s Cheshire Cat

yep

162 thedopefishlives  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:19:56pm

re: #147 FemNaziBitch

I’m still on the same page —you know which one.

Yes, page 666./////

163 thedopefishlives  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:20:35pm

re: #150 FemNaziBitch

and how is MrsFish and all the Littlefishes?

Mrs. Fish is glad now that I am home. Fishspawn are doing well; Elder Spawn is just getting into potty training, and Junior Spawn is now standing by herself.

164 TedStriker  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:22:05pm

re: #114 Stephen T.

I find the news about USS George H.W. Bush entering the Black Sea only on blog sites and not on any of the usual news sites. Unless someone has a better source, I’m calling shenanigans.

The USS George H.W. Bush is should be on station in the Med now as part of the 5th & 6th Fleets’ rotation:

stripes.com

The guided missle destroyer USS Truxton is enroute to the Black Sea for training with the Romanians and Bulgarians, even RT acknowledged this:

washingtonpost.com

165 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:22:19pm

166 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:23:44pm

re: #163 thedopefishlives

Mrs. Fish is glad now that I am home. Fishspawn are doing well; Elder Spawn is just getting into potty training, and Junior Spawn is now standing by herself.

Those are huge accomplishments!

167 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:23:52pm

bbl

168 Stephen T.  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:25:10pm

re: #157 jaunte

That makes me feel better. A regularly scheduled stop in Turkey isn’t the same as “entering the Black Sea to defend the Crimea,” though there seem to be many blog posts that are outright saying this.

169 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:25:51pm

Youtube Video

170 TedStriker  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:28:29pm

re: #136 CuriousLurker

I’m a liberal, even a progressive liberal, but I have a hard time understanding how a person with any critical thinking skills can appear to assert that certain cherry-picked “diary” pages posted at a single website are somehow indicative of what liberals and/or liberal progressives, as a group, think about complex issues (not all liberals are progressive and vice versa1). At best, all a diary is is one person’s opinion, an opinion which may collect up to several hundred mixed comments and dozens or even hundreds of up-votes.

In Lizard terms, it’s a Page; as long as the Page author doesn’t run afoul of Charles’ rules (or the law), Lizards can write a Page about almost anything and the comments (and karma scores) are just as varied. If the page gets a lot of comments, it (usually) get promoted to the front page (and, many times, noticed at other sites).

Yet, I don’t hear KT bitching about that, but I’m sure that’s just because DKos is filled with progressive heathens, right? ///

171 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:30:51pm

re: #157 jaunte

USS George H.W. Bush Arrives in Turkey
navy.mil

yep. As I noted earlier in the thread, USS George HW Bush is there for a scheduled port visit.

172 CuriousLurker  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:31:14pm

re: #168 Stephen T.

That makes me feel better. A regularly scheduled stop in Turkey isn’t the same as “entering the Black Sea to defend the Crimea,” though there seem to be many blog posts that are outright saying this.

Two words: Click bait.

That’s precisely why, as mentioned in my #136, that I no longer read any political blogs besides this one. Even then, I try to verify whatever catches my eye if it’s not from a hard news source (which seem to be growing fewer by the day).

173 TedStriker  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:33:22pm

re: #172 CuriousLurker

Two words: Click bait.

That’s precisely why, as mentioned in my #136, that I no longer read any political blogs besides this one. Even then, I try to verify whatever catches my eye if it’s not from a hard news source (which seem to be growing fewer by the day).

Same, same; as someone really famous once said, “trust, but verify”.

;-P

174 jaunte  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:37:10pm

RFE/RL:
Turkey Torn Over ‘Brothers’ In Crimea, Good Ties With Russia

175 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:37:15pm
177 TedStriker  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:38:17pm

re: #175 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

Pardon my French, but Coulter is such an insufferable bitch.

178 CuriousLurker  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:38:18pm

re: #173 TedStriker

Same, same; as someone really famous once said, “trust, but verify”.

;-P

It truly annoys me that our access to hard news is rapidly disappearing. I hate having to waste part of my day trying to cut through B.S. hyperbole, cherry-picking, framing and/or click bait fear-mongering by omission (as in the case with the USS George H.W. Bush, above).

179 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:38:39pm

I hate the time change so much. I’m probably going to go to bed at 7 just to fuck with that which is trying to fuck with me.

180 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:38:55pm

re: #175 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

What’s Ann’s username on Stormfront?

181 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:40:28pm

re: #177 TedStriker

Pardon my French, but Coulter is such an insufferable bitch.

She really is a nasty person and what’s sad is she’s made millions doing it. The worst thing though is virtually no one on the right calls her out so she gets an air of legitimacy and the only time she got in trouble with conservatives was for being affiliated with GOProud not for her you know racist crap statements like this that she makes routinely.

182 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:40:46pm

Getty Image

SAN CRISTOBAL, VENEZUELA - MARCH 09: Students man a barricade in downtown while watching for Venezuelan security forces before dawn on March 9, 2014 in San Cristobal, the capital of Tachira state, Venezuela. Local residents have manned barricades throughout the nights for almost a month, protesting against the federal government. Tachira, which borders Colombia, has been a focal point for anti-government protests nationwide. (Photo by John Moore/Getty Images)

183 lawhawk  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:41:17pm

re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth

yep. As I noted earlier in the thread, USS George HW Bush is there for a scheduled port visit.

Yup. A scheduled visit. But at the same time, if things go south in a hurry, it happens to be in the right place at the right time. It gives a certain amount of flexibility to the President to respond depending on the circumstances.

And Russia, Ukraine, Turkey and other regional powers will look and see that the carrier is there. And draw their own conclusions about what it could do.

184 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:41:58pm

re: #181 HappyWarrior

She really is a nasty person and what’s sad is she’s made millions doing it. The worst thing though is virtually no one on the right calls her out so she gets an air of legitimacy and the only time she got in trouble with conservatives was for being affiliated with GOProud not for her you know racist crap statements like this that she makes routinely.

Every voting Republican has a but… in his repertoire. I’m not like that but..

185 TedStriker  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:42:27pm

re: #183 lawhawk

Yup. A scheduled visit. But at the same time, if things go south in a hurry, it happens to be in the right place at the right time. It gives a certain amount of flexibility to the President to respond depending on the circumstances.

And Russia, Ukraine, Turkey and other regional powers will look and see that the carrier is there. And draw their own conclusions about what it could do.

A happy coincidence, as it were.

A mobile floating city of about 5000 sailors and almost 100 aircraft, most of them fighters or attack aircraft, says a lot without having to do much at all, if it’s near your territory.

186 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:43:02pm

re: #184 Stanley Sea

Every voting Republican has a but… in his repertoire. I’m not like that but..

I one time had a conservative tell me that Ann’s liberal critics were the real hateful ones because we predictably get pissed when she says shit like this. And honestly I take this shit personally having a “brown” SiL.

187 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:43:15pm

Just in case you ever might have wondered…

188 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:43:56pm

re: #187 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just in case you ever might have wondered…

[Embedded content]

Looks like it might hurt a tad.

189 CuriousLurker  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:43:59pm

re: #187 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just in case you ever might have wondered…

[Embedded content]

HOLY CRAP!! O_O

190 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:44:42pm

re: #187 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just in case you ever might have wondered…

[Embedded content]

Well I know I’m never getting into a street fight with an eagle. I think I’d have better luck with a Philadelphia one.

191 TedStriker  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:45:59pm

re: #187 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just in case you ever might have wondered…

[Embedded content]

Egads!

192 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:46:30pm

Lee Stranahan Fired by Breitbart News After Being Rehired | the Daily Caller

Bitter Breitbrat infighting, grifters all.

And this guys’s been tweeting:

Gee, you mean Lee Stranahan ripped you off by promising a sleazy hit piece on … me? Suckers!

193 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:46:32pm

re: #188 Varek Raith

Looks like it might hurt a tad.

I think it will leave a mark…

194 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:47:12pm

Spotted on George Takei’s FB page

195 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:47:49pm

re: #192 Charles Johnson

Lee Stranahan Fired by Breitbart News After Being Rehired | the Daily Caller

Bitter Breitbrat infighting, grifters all.

And this guys’s been tweeting:

[Embedded content]

Gee, you mean Lee Stranahan ripped you off by promising a sleazy hit piece on … me? Suckers!

Thousands of dollars? Like 2K? From his mother in law?

196 TedStriker  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:48:04pm

re: #194 Eclectic Cyborg

Spotted on George Takei’s FB page

In like Flynn…

197 calochortus  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:48:18pm

re: #187 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just in case you ever might have wondered…

[Embedded content]

Interestingly, if you catch them by their feet, it won’t occur to them to try to peck at you with that big sharp beak. Immobilize their talons (like that’s easy…) and you are surprisingly safe.

198 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:48:19pm

That Daily Caller article really exposes a pit of sleaze.

199 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:48:33pm

re: #192 Charles Johnson

Lee Stranahan Fired by Breitbart News After Being Rehired | the Daily Caller

Bitter Breitbrat infighting, grifters all.

And this guys’s been tweeting:

[Embedded content]


Gee, you mean Lee Stranahan ripped you off by promising a sleazy hit piece on … me? Suckers!

Hahahaha!

200 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:48:40pm

This looks really cool…like a high tech yurt.

Collapsible woven refugee shelters powered by the sun - See more at: greenprophet.com

201 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:49:05pm
Fast forward five months later. It’s February, Stranahan is broke and looking for work. He’s told through Darby that Bannon says he can possibly return, but only if he comes “bellycrawling” back to the site. Meaning, begging will be required. Stranahan says Bannon now denies ever saying it.

Right wing journalism!

202 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:49:35pm

re: #197 calochortus

Interestingly, if you catch them by their feet, it won’t occur to them to try to peck at you with that big sharp beak. Immobilize their talons (like that’s easy…) and you are surprisingly safe.

Yep, the talons lock in that position.

203 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:50:02pm

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

This looks really cool…like a high tech yurt.

Collapsible woven refugee shelters powered by the sun - See more at: greenprophet.com

Neat.

204 jaunte  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:50:06pm

BOSPHORUS STRAIT (March 7, 2014) - Sailors attached to the Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer USS Truxtun (DDG 103) work alongside their Bulgarian and Romanian counterparts on the bridge. Truxtun is deployed as part of the George H.W. Bush Carrier Strike Group on a scheduled deployment supporting maritime security operations and theater security cooperation efforts in the U.S. 6th Fleet area of operations. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd class Scott Barnes/Released)

c6f.navy.mil

205 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:50:09pm

Maybe if they did actual journalism over there, they wouldn’t have these problems but I know that’s asking a lot of the nuts that run that site.

206 freetoken  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:50:25pm

Though this is not new news, the power of the internet is fueling the fires of fear about this story - here is the Daily Fail version:

World’s first GM babies born

The world’s first geneticallymodified humans have been created, it was revealed last night.

The disclosure that 30 healthy babies were born after a series of experiments in the United States provoked another furious debate about ethics.

So far, two of the babies have been tested and have been found to contain genes from three ‘parents’.

Fifteen of the children were born in the past three years as a result of one experimental programme at the Institute for Reproductive Medicine and Science of St Barnabas in New Jersey.

The babies were born to women who had problems conceiving. Extra genes from a female donor were inserted into their eggs before they were fertilised in an attempt to enable them to conceive.

[…]

The reason the Daily Fail can get away with writing this kind of stuff, and why so many internet conspiracy sites flourish on this kind of stuff, is the ignorance of biology widespread in our society.

What happened, simply, is that one female donated mitochondria via ova, while the other women donated the nuclear DNA. The mitochondria are tiny, have very little DNA. There is no “modification” of the DNA here, but rather a transplant.

It is the cellular equivalent to a kidney transplant.

Anyway, the idiot-sphere is full of scare stories and the idea of eugenics being currently perpetrated is one of them.

207 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:50:29pm
At most news organizations, if a journalist wants out, your bosses don’t want you there. Who wants to keep someone who doesn’t want to be there? At a place like Politico, they might badmouth you for awhile, whispering that the person was never that good, no big loss. But at Breitbart, whispering would be kind. Here they use legal measures to make you stay until they are good and ready to dump you.

I AM BREITBART

208 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:52:09pm

re: #207 Charles Johnson

I AM BREITBART

Such a productive work environment!

209 jaunte  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:52:36pm
…the Breitbart “Texas” bureau, where Stranahan had been employed as a contributor since last month, earning $100 per story.

Now there’s a clear incentive to write a lot of stories about nothing.

210 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:53:27pm

wingnut heads be ‘sploding…

211 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:53:46pm

re: #209 jaunte

Now there’s a clear incentive to write a lot of stories about nothing.

Sure, they’re all assholes and they treat employees like dirt, but at least they pay peanuts!

212 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:53:58pm

re: #209 jaunte

Now there’s a clear incentive to write a lot of stories about nothing.

Youtube Video

213 freetoken  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:55:40pm

Here is an example of how EUGENICS! is thriving as a meme:

10 Disturbing Facts African-Americans Should Know About Eugenics

It’s the same old scare story, it never seems to get old.

214 Ryan King  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:55:43pm

re: #192 Charles Johnson

Stranahan ripped you off by promising a sleazy hit piece on … me? Suckers!

I’m going to Costco. Anybody need a 55 gallon drum of popcorn?

I’m getting two.

215 TedStriker  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:56:39pm

re: #214 Ryan King

I’m going to Costco. Anybody need a 55 gallon drum of popcorn?

I’m getting two.

Don’t forget the pallet of butter…

216 calochortus  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:56:41pm

re: #202 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yep, the talons lock in that position.

As long as a talon doesn’t rip your hand apart while you’re busy catching a leg.

217 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 3:58:28pm

re: #143 thedopefishlives

Evening Lizardim. I have returned from the bleak and sterile north to the relative safety of the Cities. How have things been going in my absence?

A good afternoon. Went back up to Wissahickon Park today and attended a 45 minute geology talk that also included a walk down the trail (slushy as compared to icy yesterday) to look at some exposures - schist, quartzite, and also some serpentine. Was a layman-level talk and easy walk. Well attended since they filled the small room at the cafe along the trail (~20 people).

Came home from that and cooked. Rotini with pesto sauce and hot italian sausage along with some garlic bread fresh from the oven.

218 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 4:02:24pm

re: #217 Feline Fearless Leader

Sounds like a wonderful way to spend an afternoon.

219 lawhawk  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 4:04:16pm

re: #192 Charles Johnson

Promising a hit piece on someone they consistently claim as being irrelevant and unimportant?

That’s rich.

Then not delivering on what was promised? And being fired, again, for it?

That’s delicious.

220 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 4:04:52pm

re: #207 Charles Johnson

I AM BREITBART

No, I am Breitbart.

//

221 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 4:05:37pm

re: #220 Targetpractice

No, I am Breitbart.

//

I am Breitbartcus.

222 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 4:06:15pm

re: #221 HappyWarrior

lol

223 freetoken  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 4:06:59pm

re: #220 Targetpractice

NO! I’M BREITBART!!!!!!!

Getty Image

224 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 4:07:29pm

re: #175 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

I saw that picture and asked myself - “Where have I seen that before?”

I guess they landed and got jobs as pundits.

225 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 4:08:10pm

re: #224 Feline Fearless Leader

I saw that picture and asked myself - “Where have I seen that before?”

I guess they landed and got jobs as pundits.

That alien is clearly a nazi.

226 Ryan King  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 4:08:43pm

Wow, what a scandalous bunch.

Stranahan basically confirms what Charles has long said; they read the comments to their stories and take them as feedback. They are well aware of the comments sections.

They know exactly what product they are concocting for their target markets.

227 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 4:09:36pm

re: #225 Varek Raith

That alien is clearly a nazi.

B Movie idea, Hitler and the Martians join in an alliance to destroy the Earth.

228 Ryan King  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 4:12:21pm

I AM BREITBARTALINSKY

229 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 4:12:24pm

re: #221 HappyWarrior

I am Breitbartcus.

Can’t be - you’re not angry enough.

230 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 4:13:32pm

re: #229 Feline Fearless Leader

Can’t be - you’re not angry enough.

Damn okay he’s the angry guy over there telling people to stop raping.

231 lawhawk  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 4:13:38pm


The Post had been trying to get out of the lawsuit filed by the two misidentified people that the Post alleged were Boston bombers. They weren’t, and they sued.

This is likely to push the Post into a hefty settlement with the duo.

232 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 4:14:26pm

re: #231 lawhawk

[Embedded content]


The Post had been trying to get out of the lawsuit filed by the two misidentified people that the Post alleged were Boston bombers. They weren’t, and they sued.

This is likely to push the Post into a hefty settlement with the duo.

Couldn’t happen to a nicer rag. Were these the Saudi students? O rwas it just one Saudi student? I’ve forgotten the deets.

233 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 4:15:07pm

re: #136 CuriousLurker

How does that tiny little sample become representative of a group of tens of millions? I never even go to DKos—the only time I see their articles are when someone (usually KT) posts them here, so I’m guessing that even though he claims to be a “classical liberal”, he reads them far more than I do. Strange that.

HURR HURR TYPICAL LIBRUL!!!!!!!

It’s a favorite meme of the wingnuts to pick one extreme example (the guy wearing a loincloth, with an Obama tattoo on his belly playing a flute) and say this is TYPICAL OF ALL LIBRULS!!!!!!

It’s utterly ridiculous and so utterly stupid.

234 Ryan King  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 4:15:49pm

The “weapons effect”

Research shows that the mere presence of weapons increases aggression.
“Guns not only permit violence, they can stimulate it as well. The finger pulls the trigger, but the trigger may also be pulling the finger.”

—Leonard Berkowitz, Emeritus Professor of Psychology, University of Wisconsin

In 1967, Leonard Berkowitz and Anthony LePage conducted a fascinating study.[1] First, participants were angered by a person pretending to be another participant (called a confederate). Next, participants were seated at a table that had a shotgun and a revolver on it—or, in the control condition, badminton racquets and shuttlecocks. The items on the table were described as part of another experiment that the researcher had supposedly forgotten to put away. The participant was supposed to decide what level of electric shock to deliver to the confederate who had angered them, and the electric shocks were used to measure aggression. The experimenter told participants to ignore the items on the table, but apparently they could not. Participants who saw the guns were more aggressive than were participants who saw the sports items. This effect was dubbed the “weapons effect.”

235 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 4:16:54pm

re: #234 Ryan King

The “weapons effect”

I’m no psychologist but this doesn’t shock me in the slightest.

236 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 4:24:13pm

re: #206 freetoken

Though this is not new news, the power of the internet is fueling the fires of fear about this story - here is the Daily Fail version:

World’s first GM babies born

The reason the Daily Fail can get away with writing this kind of stuff, and why so many internet conspiracy sites flourish on this kind of stuff, is the ignorance of biology widespread in our society.

What happened, simply, is that one female donated mitochondria via ova, while the other women donated the nuclear DNA. The mitochondria are tiny, have very little DNA. There is no “modification” of the DNA here, but rather a transplant.

It is the cellular equivalent to a kidney transplant.

Anyway, the idiot-sphere is full of scare stories and the idea of eugenics being currently perpetrated is one of them.

I’d laugh if I wasn’t so disappointed.

237 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 4:26:58pm

re: #210 Backwoods_Sleuth

wingnut heads be ‘sploding…

[Embedded content]

Michelle is one lucky woman…

238 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 4:28:32pm

re: #231 lawhawk

[Embedded content]


The Post had been trying to get out of the lawsuit filed by the two misidentified people that the Post alleged were Boston bombers. They weren’t, and they sued.

This is likely to push the Post into a hefty settlement with the duo.

Great news, Sue yellow journalism to it’s death.

The front page retraction. In NYP fashion.

239 palomino  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 4:37:02pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

Tip Jar (72+ / 0-)

Did someone at DKos beat you up and steal your lunch money? Maybe one of the Kos Kids stole your girlfriend?

I can’t believe I’m saying this: You were actually less boring when you babbled on incessantly about your greenhouse and its cucumbers, radishes, zzzzzzz.


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