‘All Things Considered’ on the Difficulty of Making a Modern Airplane Disappear

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Here’s a good audio segment from NPR’s All Things Considered on what we know so far about the mysterious disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight 370, a week later.

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1 darthstar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 5:40:31pm

Shit’s missing.

2 PT Barnum  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 5:41:22pm

Has anyone seen David Copperfield lately?

3 PT Barnum  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 5:41:54pm

I would have said Doug Henning, but that would be crass.

4 Kragar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 5:42:17pm

At least there is one thing we can all agree on. Whatever happened to the plane, its Obama’s fault.
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Hannity and Guest Try to Blame Obama for Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370

5 PT Barnum  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 5:43:08pm

re: #4 Kragar

At least there is one thing we can all agree on. Whatever happened to the plane, its Obama’s fault.
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Hannity and Guest Try to Blame Obama for Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370

How does Hannity breathe with his head so far up his ass?

6 dog philosopher  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 5:43:28pm

seriously, i’m beginning to hope that the plane was diverted and made a safe landing in some remote secret location where the hijackers intend to announce that they are holding the passengers for ransom or some political demand

hey it’s a crazy fantasy but it would mean that everybody was alive and can you imagine the cool docudrama?

7 thedopefishlives  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 5:44:20pm

re: #5 PT Barnum

How does Hannity breathe with his head so far up his ass?

He swallowed an oxygen mask.

8 PT Barnum  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 5:44:21pm

re: #6 dog philosopher

seriously, i’m beginning to hope that the plane was diverted and made a safe landing in some remote secret location where the hijackers intend to announce that they are holding the passengers for ransom or some political demand

hey it’s a crazy fantasy but it would mean that everybody was alive and can you imagine the cool docudrama?

Has any body seen Dr. Evil lately?

9 dog philosopher  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 5:44:36pm

re: #5 PT Barnum

How does Hannity breathe with his head so far up his ass?

in his case no vital organs would be thereby impeded from functioning properly

10 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 5:44:59pm

At least NPR is very clear on the fact that NO ONE KNOWS.

11 PT Barnum  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 5:45:21pm

re: #9 dog philosopher

in his case no vital organs would be thereby impeded from functioning properly

True…

12 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 5:45:35pm

The fact that it was checking in with a satellite for at least five and a half hours is fascinating. And disturbing. That’s a long time.

13 PT Barnum  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 5:45:49pm

re: #10 FemNaziBitch

At least NPR is very clear on the fact that NO ONE KNOWS.

They are at least trying to be semi responsible about their reporting.

14 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 5:46:08pm

re: #6 dog philosopher

seriously, i’m beginning to hope that the plane was diverted and made a safe landing in some remote secret location where the hijackers intend to announce that they are holding the passengers for ransom or some political demand

hey it’s a crazy fantasy but it would mean that everybody was alive and can you imagine the cool docudrama?

It would need a landing field almost a mile long. Highly doubtful.

15 jaunte  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 5:46:16pm

re: #4 Kragar

I like the way Hannity tells his audience that decompression is different in a Learjet vs. a 777.

16 PT Barnum  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 5:47:38pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

The fact that it was checking in with a satellite for almost 4 hours is fascinating. And disturbing.

Either that or they’re in a real life version of the Langoliers or this:
en.wikipedia.org

17 PT Barnum  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 5:49:06pm

re: #15 jaunte

I like the way Hannity tells his audience that decompression is different in a Learjet vs. a 777.

Can we let Hannity experience both first hand and report back? Or am I going to get myself in trouble for saying that?

18 dog philosopher  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 5:52:01pm

re: #15 jaunte

I like the way Hannity tells his audience that decompression is different in a Learjet vs. a 777.

speaking of which - did they ever release the findings on what happened in the challenger capsule after the failure as it fell to earth? i seem to recall they recovered the capsule from the bottom of the ocean…

19 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 5:53:25pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

It would need a landing field almost a mile long. Highly doubtful.

and it’s not like it’s a Cessna 152, you can’t just get a couple of guys to push it into the treeline and toss a couple of tarps over it. Where / How do you hide it? There are a LOT of theories out there, but the fact that apparently the aircraft WAS pinging the satellite for 4 or more hours after it was gone from radar (transponders turned off?) is more than curious.

I caught the NPR report, and it reminded me why I’m a “Dollar-A-Day” contributor. I sure get WAY more value than that each day.

RBS

20 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 5:54:12pm

It’s the families that must be going batshit right now.

I think I’d be ready to implode.

21 jaunte  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 5:55:28pm

re: #18 dog philosopher

The crew module broke apart:
spaceflightnow.com

22 TedStriker  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 5:55:38pm

re: #18 dog philosopher

speaking of which - did they ever release the findings on what happened in the challenger capsule after the failure as it fell to earth? i seem to recall they recovered the capsule from the bottom of the ocean…

en.wikipedia.org

Divers from the USS Preserver located what they believed to be the crew cabin on the ocean floor on March 7. A dive the following day confirmed that it was the cabin and that the remains of the crew were inside.[7] No official investigation into the Challenger disaster has concluded for certain the cause of death of the astronauts; it is almost certain, however, that the disintegration itself did not kill the entire crew as 3 of the 4 PEAPs (personal egress air packs) that were recovered had been manually activated. This would only be done during an emergency or loss of cabin pressure (although whether cabin pressure was lost is still in debate but considered likely). PEAPs do not provide a pressurized air flow and would still have resulted in the astronauts losing consciousness within several seconds.[8] There were media reports alleging that NASA had a secret tape recording of the crew panicking and on-board conversation following the disintegration during the 2 minute 45 second free fall before hitting the sea east of Florida. This was likely fabricated and no such recording exists: the crew may have been unconscious from loss of cabin pressure and the astronauts did not wear individual voice recorders.[9] Any such voice recording facility would have been without power since the breakup of the orbiter immediately separated the crew compartment from the power-generating fuel cells in the back of the vehicle. It is certain that the impact of the shuttle with the sea would have killed any still surviving astronauts on board, though they may have died before the impact of other causes.

23 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 5:56:02pm

Sorry, I mis-commented - MH370 was actually pinging back to the satellite for at least five and a half hours. A long time at 777 speeds.

24 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:00:14pm

I’ve owned beagle puppies and I can tell you that Jack Russell Terrier puppies are the cutest on the planet.

25 thedopefishlives  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:03:34pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

It would need a landing field almost a mile long. Highly doubtful.

I asked a friend in aeronautics about this over at the JREF; the commonly used figure for a minimum landing distance is 6100 feet. You could, ostensibly, slow it down to a stop in less distance than that, but finding an airfield in that part of the world that will handle a jumbo jet is nothing short of miraculous in and of itself, let alone one in some out-of-the-way place away from prying eyes. It’s either on the ocean floor or being hidden by a government entity.

26 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:04:27pm

I’ve refrained from speculating about this case for a whole week, but I think it’s now safe to say something very odd happened to this plane.

27 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:07:17pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

I’ve refrained from speculating about this case for a whole week, but I think it’s now safe to say something very odd happened to this plane.

Are we sure that aliens were not involved?

28 thedopefishlives  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:07:31pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

I’ve refrained from speculating about this case for a whole week, but I think it’s now safe to say something very odd happened to this plane.

My wingnut parents speculate that it was shot down by the Chinese. That theory was amusing, privately.

29 jaunte  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:10:16pm

re: #27 Targetpractice

Yes, and no.

30 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:10:41pm

re: #27 Targetpractice

Are we sure that aliens were not involved?

Could be aliens, or it could be explosive decompression that didn’t destroy the aircraft’s structural integrity but left it flying on for hours with a cabin full of dead people.

I see why some people prefer to believe in aliens.

31 Lidane  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:10:54pm

re: #15 jaunte

I like the way Hannity tells his audience that decompression is different in a Learjet vs. a 777.

Hannity knows the difference between torture and waterboarding. Makes sense he’d know the difference between decompression in a Lear jet and a 777.


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32 The War TARDIS  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:12:08pm

re: #27 Targetpractice

I noticed something odd about the nations searching:

Malaysia
Australia
Bangladesh
Brunei
China
India
Indonesia
Japan
New Zealand
Philippines
Singapore
South Korea
Taiwan
Thailand
United States
Vietnam

However, Burma, right in the middle of all of this isn’t participating.

33 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:12:50pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

Could be aliens, or it could be explosive decompression that didn’t destroy the aircraft’s structural integrity but left it flying on for hours with a plane full of dead people.

I see why some people prefer to believe in aliens.

At this point, I think Occam has thrown up his hands in frustration. There’s so many theories, so many of which might be plausible considering what we know about past crashes as well as theoretical situations that experts in various fields say could have happened.

Hell, you could speculate that Cthulhu brought the plane down and have half a dozen reporters banging down your door for an interview by midday.

34 dog philosopher  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:14:52pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

Could be aliens, or it could be explosive decompression that didn’t destroy the aircraft’s structural integrity but left it flying on for hours with a cabin full of dead people.

I see why some people prefer to believe in aliens.

i believe i remember a story from a few years back where somebody flying a private jet was killed by decompression or some other oxygen failure and the jet continued to fly for a few hours until it ran out of fuel

35 ninja cat  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:15:02pm

I’m surprised it could go across at least 3 countries airspace and not get an inquiry. I get the feeling the US stepped in in the last 24-48 hours to get the Malaysian authorities more on the ball, or at least gave them access to info we had and they did not.

36 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:15:20pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

I’ve refrained from speculating about this case for a whole week, but I think it’s now safe to say something very odd happened to this plane.

Very, very odd.

From the interview:

Frankly, one of the really troubling things is the facts just don’t line up, I mean, any one theory just doesn’t really… y’know, it’s not borne out by what all the facts give us.

I get the feeling the answer to this mystery is gonna be one of those things that ends up being so simple/obvious that everyone missed it.

37 Lidane  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:15:49pm

re: #25 thedopefishlives

It’s either on the ocean floor or being hidden by a government entity.

My vote is the bottom of the ocean. At this point, the idea of some mysterious entity diverting and/or hijacking that plane to hold hundreds of people hostage seems unlikely.

I’m guessing some sort of mechanical failure or freak accident caused the plane to go down. Either that or it was a Flight 93 situation. No matter what, that plane still ended up in the water.

38 dog philosopher  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:15:54pm

re: #34 dog philosopher

however, since the expert in the audio clip said that no theory fit all the known facts, there must be some known flaw in the decompression-but-continue-flying theory

39 The War TARDIS  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:15:56pm

re: #33 Targetpractice

It’s really bad that there have been 3 episodes of Doctor Who on this.

The terrible Time Flight with the 5th Doctor, Planet of the Dead with the 10th, and “The Doctor, the Witch, and the Wardrobe.”

40 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:16:13pm

re: #34 dog philosopher

i believe i remember a story from a few years back where somebody flying a private jet was killed by decompression or some other oxygen failure and the jet continued to fly for a few hours until it ran out of fuel

That was the golfer Payne Stewart. It’s one of the few cases where the NTSB wasn’t able to find a definitive cause if my memory serves me.

RBS

41 chadu  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:16:32pm

O/T

If you want to get a lot of high adventure tabletop roleplaying games for a good price (and some of your money goes to charity!), check out the latest Bundle of Holding, which features a book by Your Obedient Servant.

;)

42 A Mom Anon  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:17:02pm

re: #24 FemNaziBitch

I’m partial to German Shepherds myself, but I can’t resist ANY puppy, or kitten, or baby anything really.

As for this whole disappearing plane thing, it’s got to be the oddest thing I’ve heard of in a really long time. All our technology and modern infrastructure in place and no one can find it? And how do you hide something that big, presuming it’s on land somewhere? It’s really weird.

43 dog philosopher  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:18:31pm

re: #32 The War TARDIS

I noticed something odd about the nations searching:

Malaysia
Australia
Bangladesh
Brunei
China
India
Indonesia
Japan
New Zealand
Philippines
Singapore
South Korea
Taiwan
Thailand
United States
Vietnam

However, Burma, right in the middle of all of this isn’t participating.

iirc burma/myanmar generally is not the participating type

44 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:18:48pm

re: #37 Lidane

My vote is the bottom of the ocean. At this point, the idea of some mysterious entity diverting and/or hijacking that plane to hold hundreds of people hostage seems unlikely.

I’m guessing some sort of mechanical failure or freak accident caused the plane to go down. Either that or it was a Flight 93 situation. No matter what, that plane still ended up in the water.

I imagine that it did go down somewhere in the ocean, and further that the reason it’s not yet been recovered is due to it being outside of all the proposed search areas.

45 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:20:27pm

re: #32 The War TARDIS

I noticed something odd about the nations searching:

Malaysia
Australia
Bangladesh
Brunei
China
India
Indonesia
Japan
New Zealand
Philippines
Singapore
South Korea
Taiwan
Thailand
United States
Vietnam

However, Burma, right in the middle of all of this isn’t participating.

Maybe they’re just too busy? Looks like they have at least three internal conflicts going on right now:

Civil wars

In October 2012 the number of ongoing conflicts in Burma included the Kachin conflict, between the Kachin Independence Army and the government; a civil war between the Rohingya Muslims, and the government and non-government groups in Arakan State; and a conflict between the Shan, Lahu and Karen minority groups, and the government in the eastern half of the country.

en.wikipedia.org

46 The War TARDIS  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:21:14pm

Noticed this incident in the Wikipedia page on Flight 370.

In 2005 a Boeing 777-2H6ER aircraft with the registration 9M-MRG, serial number 28414, operating as Malaysia Airlines Flight 124 flying from Perth to Kuala Lumpur experienced an ADIRU (air data inertial reference unit) fault resulting in uncommanded manoeuvres by the aircraft acting on false indications.[117] In that incident the incorrect data impacted all planes of movement while the aircraft was climbing through 38,000 feet (11,600 m). The pilots recovered the aircraft and requested a return to Perth. There were no injuries and no damage to the aircraft. The ATSB (Australian Transport Safety Bureau) found that the main probable cause of this incident was a latent software error which allowed the ADIRU to use data from a failed accelerometer.[118] The US Federal Aviation Administration issued Emergency Airworthiness Directive (AD) 2005-18-51 requiring all 777 operators to install upgraded software to resolve the error

47 thedopefishlives  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:21:37pm

re: #44 Targetpractice

I imagine that it did go down somewhere in the ocean, and further that the reason it’s not yet been recovered is due to it being outside of all the proposed search areas.

Yeah, that’s looking very likely. I’ve heard comparisons to Air France Flight 447, which crashed in the middle of the Atlantic (literally) and was not found for over 2 years, although wreckage was found and identified within 5 days. It’ll be interesting to see what the black boxes tell, if/when they are found.

48 chadu  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:21:56pm

re: #41 chadu

O/T

If you want to get a lot of high adventure tabletop roleplaying games for a good price (and some of your money goes to charity!), check out the latest Bundle of Holding, which features a book by Your Obedient Servant.

;)

It’d be good if I linked to my page wherein all the deets be.

littlegreenfootballs.com

49 ninja cat  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:22:42pm

My issue with the hypoxia theory is that the plane turned and changed altitudes several times, which it wouldn’t do if on auto-pilot and everyone was unconscious.

50 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:23:31pm

re: #47 thedopefishlives

Yeah, that’s looking very likely. I’ve heard comparisons to Air France Flight 447, which crashed in the middle of the Atlantic (literally) and was not found for over 2 years, although wreckage was found and identified within 5 days. It’ll be interesting to see what the black boxes tell, if/when they are found.

Yeah, that was one incident I was thinking of. Another was the whole bit mentioned the other day about the Titanic and the search for her. It wasn’t that nobody was searching for her, it’s that she was way outside the areas most folks put her as sinking at. I imagine that most of the search areas right now are best guess estimates and when she’s finally found, it will be well away from where everybody’s assumed she went down.

51 thedopefishlives  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:25:39pm

re: #50 Targetpractice

Yeah, that was one incident I was thinking of. Another was the whole bit mentioned the other day about the Titanic and the search for her. It wasn’t that nobody was searching for her, it’s that she was way outside the areas most folks put her as sinking at. I imagine that most of the search areas right now are best guess estimates and when she’s finally found, it will be well away from where everybody’s assumed she went down.

Ocean searches are hard. It’s not like we can just look down through a glass-bottomed boat and see the wreckage 2 miles below.

52 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:26:09pm

The Wall Street Journal’s latest take on the Malaysia crash. online.wsj.com

53 Lidane  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:27:36pm

re: #24 FemNaziBitch

I’ve owned beagle puppies and I can tell you that Jack Russell Terrier puppies are the cutest on the planet.

I see your Jack Russell and raise you a Corgi pup:

54 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:27:38pm

re: #51 thedopefishlives

Ocean searches are hard. It’s not like we can just look down through a glass-bottomed boat and see the wreckage 2 miles below.

And the wreckage will move around the ocean.

55 thedopefishlives  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:28:50pm

re: #54 FemNaziBitch

And the wreckage will move around the ocean.

And the ocean floor is not as smooth as a billiard ball. There’s a lot of variables at play here, none of them making anything any easier, for sure. I do not envy the ones doing the search, although the company my college roommate works for has made a name for itself in crowdsourcing the search for the missing plane.

56 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:29:58pm

re: #52 PhillyPretzel

The Wall Street Journal’s latest take on the Malaysia crash. online.wsj.com

Thanks - added as an update.

57 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:30:16pm

re: #54 FemNaziBitch

And the wreckage will move around the ocean.

Indeed. We’re not talking an ocean liner, we’re talking a tube made of aluminum, steel alloys, and various composites. And hitting water at any kind of speed is like hitting concrete, so I imagine when they do finally find this bird, it’s going to be in bits and pieces on the ocean floor.

58 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:30:45pm

re: #55 thedopefishlives

And the ocean floor is not as smooth as a billiard ball. There’s a lot of variables at play here, none of them making anything any easier, for sure. I do not envy the ones doing the search, although the company my college roommate works for has made a name for itself in crowdsourcing the search for the missing plane.

and the ocean has it’s own currents and tunnels. No rhyme or reason on how things move about —unless you are someone who really understands such things.

59 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:32:15pm

re: #57 Targetpractice

Indeed. We’re not talking an ocean liner, we’re talking a tube made of aluminum, steel alloys, and various composites. And hitting water at any kind of speed is like hitting concrete, so I imagine when they do finally find this bird, it’s going to be in bits and pieces on the ocean floor.

I remember back when the Discovery Channel had good shows. There was one about sunken treasure ships. They explained how a ship could go down and parts of it or it’s booty could be half an ocean away in one night.

I didn’t understand one bit of it.

60 thedopefishlives  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:33:43pm

re: #57 Targetpractice

Indeed. We’re not talking an ocean liner, we’re talking a tube made of aluminum, steel alloys, and various composites. And hitting water at any kind of speed is like hitting concrete, so I imagine when they do finally find this bird, it’s going to be in bits and pieces on the ocean floor.

AF447 made a pretty hefty impact - it was in a full aerodynamic stall and basically plummeting from the sky like a giant rock. It was recovered largely intact. Unless somebody drove the plane into the ocean at full rated power, I think we’ll find at least most of the fuselage in one piece. At the very least, enough of the plane should be in a relatively compact area to identify the wreckage and locate the black boxes.

61 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:39:03pm
62 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:40:01pm
63 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:42:16pm

bbl

64 chadu  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:42:19pm

re: #53 Lidane

I see your Jack Russell and raise you a Corgi pup

Call and raise: cuddled-up fruit bat pups looking at you.

Hell, I’m all-in: baby fruit bat yawn.

65 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:42:56pm

re: #50 Targetpractice

The Titanic and Bismarck were both ships explorers had been searching for for decades. Ballard succeeded where others failed by not only working from last known positions, which turned out to be off, but by factoring in ocean currents and reckoning to figure out their final resting places.

Both of those searches started from a starting point, last known positions of responding ships (for Titanic) or the positions as plotted by British (Bismarck).

Here? We have a general direction, Maybe. Possibly. Not really.

Ballard used side scan sonar to grid trace until he came across debris fields and then worked back up the field to find the ships themselves.

Here, you’d have a massive location to search, let alone the time/effort to grid search using underwater sonar system.

Depths are potentially as deep or deeper than the Titanic location, though there are shallower areas within the search areas.

66 A Mom Anon  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:45:13pm

Baby German Shepherd/Doberman Mix

This is Abby, my doggie, when she was a baby. She’s almost 4 now.

67 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:47:43pm

I thought the NSA was monitoring the thoughts of every person in the world. Shouldn’t they just tell us what happened, or is that too much to ask?

68 Political Atheist  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:48:56pm

re: #65 lawhawk

Ballard had a way better idea of location than our current searchers have had.

69 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:50:30pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

I’ve refrained from speculating about this case for a whole week, but I think it’s now safe to say something very odd happened to this plane.

70 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:50:32pm

re: #65 lawhawk

I seem to remember seeing somewhere (probably Rachel Maddow the other night) that the Air France flight went down in much deeper water than where authorities think the Malaysia Airlines could have gone down, which is one of the other reasons it was so difficult to locate & recover.

Out of curiosity I was just looking for a map that would show water depths in the SE Asia area, but didn’t have much luck.

71 thedopefishlives  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 6:59:46pm

re: #67 Charles Johnson

I thought the NSA was monitoring the thoughts of every person in the world. Shouldn’t they just tell us what happened, or is that too much to ask?

They’re too busy gangstalking the dudebros to help. Sorry Charles.

72 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 7:02:07pm

re: #69 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

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That’s more stuff from Lost, right?

73 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 7:02:32pm

re: #68 Political Atheist

Ballard had a way better idea of location than our current searchers have had.

That’s precisely the point. He at least had a good idea of a starting point for his search. Here? No one has a clue where to start, because of all the different bits that have come in.

74 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 7:04:07pm

Bluebloods has the ‘Knockout Game’ as the theme for tonight’s episode.

75 chadu  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 7:07:00pm

re: #66 A Mom Anon

Baby German Shepherd/Doberman Mix

This is Abby, my doggie, when she was a baby. She’s almost 4 now.

Big feets!

76 darthstar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 7:08:54pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

The fact that it was checking in with a satellite for at least five and a half hours is fascinating. And disturbing. That’s a long time.

Ping! Can you see me now?
Yes.
Ping! Can you see me now?
Yes.
Ping! Can you see me now?
Yes.
Ping! Can you see me now?
Yes.
Ping! Can you see me now?
Yes.

77 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 7:10:18pm

re: #70 CuriousLurker

Water depths will depend on where you’re talking about. The Andaman Sea or Gulf of Thailand can average 3500 feet, but can go to more than 2 miles deep.

The AF447 final resting place was at about 12,500 feet.

South China sea, by comparison is very shallow, though some parts can exceed a mile deep.

78 darthstar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 7:10:31pm

re: #74 Dark_Falcon

Bluebloods has the ‘Knockout Game’ as the theme for tonight’s episode.

It’s not a real game. It was apparently something a handful of teen thugs did for fun. But good to see the media pushing the fear of inner-city thuggery. I hope they put a twist on it and make the perps white privileged kids who were bored. Would probably be more accurate.

79 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 7:10:38pm

re: #76 darthstar

Ping! Can you see me now?
Yes.
Ping! Can you see me now?
Yes.
Ping! Can you see me now?
Yes.
Ping! Can you see me now?
Yes.
Ping! Can you see me now?
Yes.

One ping. One ping only Vasily!

80 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 7:11:16pm

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

Yup. The numbers that had to be entered in the Hatch to keep the Light from escaping.

81 darthstar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 7:11:25pm

re: #69 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

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Lotto numbers you never want to play, unless you want to share the prize with 14,000 other people.

82 TedStriker  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 7:12:50pm

re: #79 lawhawk

One ping. One ping only Vasily!

My Morse is so rusty, I could be sending him dimensions on Playmate of the Month.

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83 freetoken  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 7:14:02pm
“The facts just don’t line up”

If it doesn’t fit you must acquit.

84 darthstar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 7:14:05pm

re: #80 lawhawk

Yup. The numbers that had to be entered in the Hatch to keep the Light from escaping.

That’s the thing about light. It can’t be contained. It can be extinguished, and it can be viewed. Containment is nonsensical.

Speaking of Lost, though…I wonder what happened to that old codger who worked as a programmer in Colorado…Walter. He was kind of interesting until he took a turn off the deep end.

85 A Mom Anon  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 7:15:35pm

re: #75 chadu

Yep. She’s nothing but legs and ears now, lol. Still has big feets, weighs about 80 lbs today.

86 darthstar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 7:15:43pm
87 darthstar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 7:16:26pm

Never mind the fact that BIN LADEN IS FUCKING DEAD, Murdoch…

88 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 7:17:27pm

By the way, when I say something odd happened on this flight, I’m not suggesting something supernatural or nefarious. I’m sure we’ll eventually have a good explanation. But right now the shit is mysterious.

89 A Mom Anon  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 7:17:54pm

Alright, I have to take the big footed doggie out to potty and get her to take her meds. Nitey nite lizards.

90 freetoken  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 7:18:58pm

re: #86 darthstar

If that map is the locations determined from the pings, then not only is that odd, but some of that path is over still rather remote areas on the eastern and western side of the Himalayas.

91 chadu  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 7:20:45pm

re: #87 darthstar

Never mind the fact that BIN LADEN IS FUCKING DEAD, Murdoch…

We dumped Bin Laden in the ocean… the plane’s lost in the ocean…

Just asking questions.

92 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 7:22:05pm

re: #77 lawhawk

Water depths will depend on where you’re talking about. The Andaman Sea or Gulf of Thailand can average 3500 feet, but can go to more than 2 miles deep.

The AF447 final resting place was at about 12,500 feet.

South China sea, by comparison is very shallow, though some parts can exceed a mile deep.

Yeah, I just found a map, but thanks for the exact info.

Okay, looks pretty quiet around here tonight, so I guess I’ll follow AMA out the door and go catch up on videos or whatever.

Before I go, here’s a really nice and recent (2012) physical map of the world (PDF - 2.3MB). For anyone who isn’t already familiar with it, UT Austin’s Perry-Castañeda Library Map Collection is a fantastic resource and most of the maps are in the public domain. Their World Maps section have many other interesting maps showing things like worldwide age structure, ethnic diversity, illicit traffiking routes. megacities, water availability, oceans, ocean currents & sea ice, etcetera, most of which come from the CIA.

Have a good night, everyone.

93 freetoken  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 7:24:34pm

Oh, I see the last ping was over the Indian Ocean (so that map is ????)

Which is still weird, of course.

94 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 7:26:56pm
95 Kragar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 7:28:02pm

On the last boss in Borderlands 2 and I just cannot catch a fucking break. This is the kind of shit that just makes me want to walk away from the damn thing.

96 TedStriker  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 7:28:10pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

What orifice did Maher stick his foot in now?

97 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 7:32:49pm

re: #87 darthstar

Never mind the fact that BIN LADEN IS FUCKING DEAD, Murdoch…

Maybe Murdoch was motivated to that thought by this story:

Navy SEALs ‘took turns dumping HUNDREDS of bullets’ into Osama bin Laden’s dead body, a new report reveals

To be clear, i don’t find if this one is true. Osama bin Laden richly deserved to have magazines of 5.56mm rounds pumped into him.

98 Kragar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 7:33:15pm
99 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 7:34:01pm

Andrew Sullivan posted a defense of academic racist Charles Murray today.

100 Kragar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 7:35:17pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

Maybe Murdoch was motivated to that thought by this story:

Navy SEALs ‘took turns dumping HUNDREDS of bullets’ into Osama bin Laden’s dead body, a new report reveals

To be clear, i don’t find if this one is true. Osama bin Laden richly deserved to have magazines of 5.56mm rounds pumped into him.

Its also likely complete bullshit. Do you really think the SEALS would waste time like that during an op inside Pakistan or that officers would let them do it when they got back to the ship?

101 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 7:37:16pm

re: #100 Kragar

Its also likely complete bullshit. Do you really think the SEALS would waste time like that during an op inside Pakistan or that officers would let them do it when they got back to the ship?

I doubt it, but I don’t really care either way.

102 Kragar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 7:38:52pm

re: #101 Dark_Falcon

I doubt it, but I don’t really care either way.

I care because I’m tired of seeing bullshit like this being called news.

103 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 7:44:08pm

re: #102 Kragar

I care because I’m tired of seeing bullshit like this being called news.

I’m sorry if I offended by posting that. I had no dishonorable intentions.

104 Kragar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 7:45:28pm

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

I’m sorry if I offended by posting that. I had no dishonorable intentions.

You didn’t offend me.

105 jc717  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 7:54:12pm

re: #67 Charles Johnson

I thought the NSA was monitoring the thoughts of every person in the world. Shouldn’t they just tell us what happened, or is that too much to ask?

Of course they know… but they can’t say anything because that it would further reveal their capabilities//

106 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 7:54:19pm

night gang…. I’m outta here. I’m just really wiped out this evening, yak at ya tomorrow.

RBS

107 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 8:03:23pm

North Carolina hunter bags 500-pound hog with .308 AR-10 (VIDEO)

A North Carolina hunter took down a 500-pound, 8-foot-long hog last month with his .308-caliber AR-10.

Jett Webb was hunting in Bertie County near Indian Woods when he came across the roaming beast. He quickly realized it was the same hog other hunters had been trying to bag since it was first spotted on trail cameras over a year ago. Since shooting the wild animal, Webb has quickly skyrocketed to notoriety. But the veteran hunter says the experience was a humbling one, Daily Mail reports.

“It was very surreal,” recalls Webb. “It was a shock. It was very humbling to say the least, when you walk up on a beast that big and you say, “Oh my gosh. I had no idea that there could be something that big running around the woods of Eastern North Carolina.’”

Image: Screen-Shot-2014-03-12-at-6.41.00-PM.png

That’s one big pig.

108 sagehen  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 8:07:35pm

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

North Carolina hunter bags 500-pound hog with .308 AR-10 (VIDEO)

Image: Screen-Shot-2014-03-12-at-6.41.00-PM.png

That’s one big pig.

Is that what they call bringing home the bacon?

109 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 8:13:58pm

re: #108 sagehen

Is that what they call bringing home the bacon?

Yes, I’d say so:

Image: article-2579461-1C3BBE9F00000578-270_634x345.jpg

The Confederate Flag painted onto the table is a not-nice touch.

110 austin_blue  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 8:20:44pm

IF, a big if, the plane flew for another 5 hours after it disappeared from radar, here is what may have happened.

The 777 has two transponders. It’s an incredibly reliable instrument. If it fails, a big warning light comes on to the fault display system and says “Primary Transponder Failure”. This tells the flight crew to enable the secondary transponder.

After the transponder shut down, the secondary did not come online.

There is a system called ARCAS that transmits data to satellites and then to various receiver stations that gives a plethora of data to various sites about what the airplane is doing. When Air France 447 went down, this was the data set that indicated that the plane was in serious trouble. For the most part, it appears that the ARCAS was shut down.

There are other data transmission systems on the 777 that are independent of the ARCAS. One of them is the engine data system.

The Wall Street Journal reported that the Rolls Royce engines sent data at least four hours into the flight. They later retracted the story, saying that the data came from a SatCom link, not from the engines. What the difference is between the ARCAS (which is a SatCom link, and may have been disabled in the cockpit) and the Rolls Royce SatCom link that reported the information is not clear.

My best guess is that whatever happened occurred in the cockpit. The jet appeared to hit several standard nav points on standard routes before it left radar visible waypoints to the west of its standard routing. That is a pilot thing.

The what and the why are unknown. But the fact is that the plane is in the wind. If it was hijacked, it could be anywhere in south central or west central Asia, maybe even east Africa, given the fuel load.

As Yul Brenner would say “It is a puzzlement.”

111 austin_blue  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 8:25:13pm

re: #110 austin_blue

IF, a big if, the plane flew for another 5 hours after it disappeared from radar, here is what may have happened.

Good gawd, I should preview before post in. Fixed now.

112 jaunte  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 8:29:51pm
113 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 8:33:24pm

re: #112 jaunte

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That fellow has reached “Peak Geek”.

114 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 8:39:13pm

Cat want food! Cat don’t get food…

Youtube Video

115 Stanley Sea  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 8:41:55pm
116 austin_blue  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 8:43:35pm

re: #115 Stanley Sea

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That’s not funny, that’s Sikh.

117 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 8:44:28pm

Here’s a crowdfunding proposal the group may find interesting (via IndieGoGo):

Childrens Bulletproof backpacks- The reality of 2014?

Youtube Video

BulletSafe, a popular bulletproof vest company, is testing the waters for a children’s bulletproof backpack panel using Indiegogo. Indiegogo is a crowdsourcing website where new product ideas are presented and potential customers can encourage their introduction. BulletSafe is using this platform to see if people want to protect their children from handguns.

The project is called the BulletSafe Bulletproof Backpack Panel. The panel, which is designed to go in a kid’s backpack, can stop bullets up to a .44 Magnum. Eventually the BulletSafe Bulletproof Backpack Panel will retail for $99 plus shipping, but IndieGoGo campaign backers can order one now by pledging $89. Retailers can also preorder 6 panels on Indiegogo for $420.

Originally, Tom Nardone, BulletSafe president, created just three of these bulletproof backpack inserts to protect the most precious people in his life: his kids. “After I made them, I wondered if other people would want to buy one. I asked friends and some said yes, others said no. In order to settle the issue I created this Indiegogo campaign.” Says Nardone.

The panel is made from the same materials as Bulletsafe’s NIJ level IIIA Bulletproof Vest. The insert is 12 by 10 inches in size and weighs one and a quarter pounds. This panel is different from other ballistic panels on the market in that it includes a tough, washable exterior carrier. “Other ballistic panels are not ready to be used in a kid’s backpack. They can’t handle the spills and abrasion. Our panel has a tough, washable exterior required by that type of use.” Says Nardone. Even though it has these added features, the BulletSafe Bulletproof Backpack Panel still has an industry leading $99 MSRP putting it within financial reach of many families.

118 jaunte  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 8:50:16pm

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

That’s one big pig.

Since you posted that, my wife has been sitting at her computer next to me, watching “Hogs Gone Wild” episodes on YouTube.

119 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 8:52:23pm

re: #38 dog philosopher

however, since the expert in the audio clip said that no theory fit all the known facts, there must be some known flaw in the decompression-but-continue-flying theory

Are there actually “known facts”? How does one find them in the huge manure pile of media speculation?

120 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 8:54:17pm
121 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 8:57:15pm
122 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 8:58:55pm

The words “Malaysian official” do not exactly inspire confidence.

123 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 9:01:11pm

re: #121 Charles Johnson

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I guess anything’s possible, it’s just that hijacking seems so unlikely. I mean, how/where do you hide a giant plane and all those people, and how far could they have gone with no one noticing? It seems (to me) there would need to be one or more governments involved to pull off something like that.

124 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 9:01:52pm

The Associated Press

KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) — A Malaysian government official says investigators have concluded that one of the pilots or someone else with flying experience hijacked the missing Malaysia Airlines jet.

The official, who is involved in the investigation, says no motive has been established, and it is not yet clear where the plane was taken. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to brief the media.

The official said that hijacking was no longer a theory. “It is conclusive.”

125 jaunte  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 9:03:19pm

Unauthorized anonymous official is nonetheless conclusive.

126 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 9:07:05pm

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

Here’s a crowdfunding proposal the group may find interesting (via IndieGoGo):

Childrens Bulletproof backpacks- The reality of 2014?

Youtube Video

Actually, I find it repulsive.

127 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 9:08:53pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

The Associated Press

I’ll just add that to the pile of “known facts”.

Here’s a real known fact. The pinger in the black box only lasts 30 days.

128 ninja cat  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 9:09:41pm

I keep hearing reports about the pilot having a simulator at his home but that the officials had not searched his home. Or at least had not announced that they had. I would think that would have been one f the first things they would do.

129 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 9:15:34pm

I’m starting to believe in a criminal aspect to this.
It’s too freaking weird.

130 GlutenFreeJesus  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 9:23:51pm

Bet it was the younger pilot. He had short of 3,000 hours of flight time. The head pilot (in his 50s IIRC) had close to 30.000 flight hours. The abrupt altitude changes could show the struggle between the two pilots.

That’s my unprofessional take on the whole mess.

131 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 9:30:27pm

Well, if it truly was hijacked, then the $64,000 question is “Did it crash?” If it did, then the search area likely is far from where anybody has guessed so far. If not, then it had to have landed somewhere, which means somebody currently is holding the passengers hostage.

132 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 9:41:44pm

re: #129 Varek Raith

Once upon a time, I was a hard-core believer of UFO conspiracy theories. Barney & Betty Hill, the face in Cydonia, Roswell, MAJESTIC-12, Area 51, you name it. I *wanted* it to be true.

I am no longer a believer. But there is a part of me that still wants it all to be true. This airplane mystery feeds into the conspiratorial mindset very easily. I expect Rod Serling to enter from Stage Right, cigarette ablaze, inviting us to “picture if you will…”

133 darthstar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 9:47:05pm
134 freetoken  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 9:48:32pm

re: #110 austin_blue

Thing is, India has enough airports that radar would have shown a plane this big, somewhere.

There is so much speculation. I don’t trust anything until the international aviation groups can come to some definite conclusion.

135 freetoken  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 9:49:37pm

re: #133 darthstar

“THE USUAL” is pretty good, too.

136 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 9:49:56pm

re: #132 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Once upon a time, I was a hard-core believer of UFO conspiracy theories. Barney & Betty Hill, the face in Cydonia, Roswell, MAJESTIC-12, Area 51, you name it. I *wanted* it to be true.

I am no longer a believer. But there is a part of me that still wants it all to be true. This airplane mystery feeds into the conspiratorial mindset very easily. I expect Rod Serling to enter from Stage Right, cigarette ablaze, inviting us to “picture if you will…”

You’re right with Roswell. That was my ship.

137 darthstar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 9:51:09pm

re: #136 Varek Raith

You’re right with Roswell. That was my ship.

“was”
:)

138 freetoken  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 9:52:08pm

re: #136 Varek Raith

I am convinced that the Hills did believe (at least some) of what they claimed. What the truth is perhaps no one really knows, as the Hills may have convinced themselves of things for reasons we probably will not know and they didn’t either.

139 darthstar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 9:56:50pm

Bottle 148 of 196. And what a tasty Manhattan it made.

Our next door restaurant closed for three months and reopened across the highway in a larger space, but with a full bar. Life is good. And their ‘650 Crostini’ (braised short rib with a slice of jalapeno on top of toasted baguette slices with a little avocado puree) are to die for.

140 freetoken  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 9:57:05pm

The American UFO social frenzy, coming immediately on the heels of WWII, was, I believe, a mass reaction not only to WWII but the existence of a new kind of mass killing (nuclear war.)

It’s an interesting comparison to the Japanese concurrent fascination with monsters attacking and destroying Japan.

141 darthstar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:00:15pm
142 darthstar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:00:48pm

Heh…”Show of hands…who’s a white man?”

143 Single-handed sailor  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:04:18pm
I am convinced that the Hills did believe (at least some) of what they claimed. What the truth is perhaps no one really knows, as the Hills may have convinced themselves of things for reasons we probably will not know and they didn’t either.

It was not too early for LSD in 1961 but I didn’t really hear about the drug till 1966.

144 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:09:29pm

re: #137 darthstar

“was”
:)

Speed may have been a factor….

145 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:10:34pm

re: #140 freetoken

The American UFO social frenzy, coming immediately on the heels of WWII, was, I believe, a mass reaction not only to WWII but the existence of a new kind of mass killing (nuclear war.)

It’s an interesting comparison to the Japanese concurrent fascination with monsters attacking and destroying Japan.

Also, notice how we don’t really get UFO pictures anymore? With all the HQ camera phones out there you’d think we’d get a good image if they were zooming around like in the old days.
Nope.

146 prairiefire  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:12:58pm

One of the pilots flew the bird into the ocean.

147 freetoken  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:15:11pm

re: #145 Varek Raith

Also, notice how we don’t really get UFO pictures anymore? With all the HQ camera phones out there you’d think we’d get a good image.
Nope.

Of course not. They know humans now have widespread cameras and are much more careful about their interactions with us apes.

148 freetoken  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:18:34pm

Because you want it:

Youtube Video

149 freetoken  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:23:10pm

Here’s a better one:

Youtube Video

150 The War TARDIS  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:42:11pm

I’m thinking Malaysia is hiding something at this point.

151 Lidane  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:42:19pm

re: #64 chadu

BOOM! I win.

152 austin_blue  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:44:46pm

re: #134 freetoken

Thing is, India has enough airports that radar would have shown a plane this big, somewhere.

There is so much speculation. I don’t trust anything until the international aviation groups can come to some definite conclusion.

Sure. But if I was dark and tucked in behind any scheduled long hauler from Singapore to Europe I could be anywhere in southern Asia by now. Just speculating. At this point, it’s all just whee.

153 Lidane  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:46:19pm

Reason eleventy billion and two why if I ever get back to SXSW, the Music part of it will be a minor part of my experience. This is Sixth Street tonight:


Nope nope nope nope. Outgrew that shit years ago.

154 austin_blue  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:06:45pm

re: #153 Lidane

Reason eleventy billion and two why if I ever get back to SXSW, the Music part of it will be a minor part of my experience. This is Sixth Street tonight:

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Nope nope nope nope. Outgrew that shit years ago.

We live two blocks south of Barton Springs Road. All of the volume from Auditorium Shores, none of the vehicle traffic, thank gawd. Good bands tonight. Nice to listen to them from one’s back porch.

155 ninja cat  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:08:11pm

re: #150 The War TARDIS

I’m thinking Malaysia is hiding something at this point.

I don’t think hiding anything, or that they’re incompetent. Just not capable of handling this incredible situation. The PM is holding a press conference, delayed now for the last hour. They have already announced he will not take any questions,

156 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:17:44pm

Drive-by:

Live feed for late presser—everyone still waiting.
livestation.com

157 Single-handed sailor  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:18:14pm

re: #150 The War TARDIS

I’m thinking Malaysia is hiding something at this point.

Reality is stranger than fiction.

158 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:46:04pm

Long story short: Holy crap. Actions in plane confirmed deliberate, therefore it looks like a hijacking. They say based on last known location it could’ve gone up a north corridor towards Uzbekistan/Turkmenistan or a south corridor towards the Indian Ocean. In-freaking-credible.

This can’t be good. Earlier this month when I made this comment, it never entered my mind that something this bizarre could happen. That north corridor thing makes me think of the Chechens—wonder if they’re trying to get back at Putin somehow while he’s distracted—they’re just across the Caspian Sea from Turkmenistan… then again, Turkmenistan also shares a border with Iran & Afghanistan.

Good grief. I just hope & pray the passengers are okay.

159 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:58:28pm

The headline’s a bit confusing, but this is the best summary I’ve found so far of the presser with the Malaysian PM:

Hijacking not confirmed says Malaysian PM

Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak, addressing a press conference in Kuala Lumpur, says the plane may not have been hijacked. He said the Malaysian authorities and military have widened their search based on new satellite communication from the plane. Two search corridors have been included - the northern one stretching upto Kazakhstan and a southern corridor stretching to Indonesia.

Mr Razak said authorities were very confident that the transponder of flight MH 370 was disabled. Movement of missing flight was consistent with deliberate action of someone on plane, Mr Razak said. Search for the plane in the South China Sea has been called off, the Malaysian Prime Minister said.

Earlier on Saturday, investigators had concluded that one or more people with significant flying experience had hijacked the missing Malaysia Airlines jet, switched off communication devices and steered it off-course, a Malaysian government official involved in the investigation said.

No motive has been established and no demands have been made known, and it is not yet clear where the plane was taken, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. The official said that hijacking was no longer a theory.

“It is conclusive,” he said. […]

thehindu.com

160 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:59:06pm

Later, lizards.

161 Kragar  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 12:20:10am
162 Single-handed sailor  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 12:52:25am
163 Kragar  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:01:36am

re: #162 Single-handed sailor

Youtube Video

164 freetoken  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:05:26am

re: #160 CuriousLurker

So, you’re telling me a 777 could fly within a hundred miles of Mumbai and not be seen on radar?

165 freetoken  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:10:10am

I’m just not buying that a 777 can be flown anywhere near a major international airport and not be noticed as a non-identifying aircraft.

All the more so for crossing borders between nations known to have military leaders quite suspicious of their neighbors.

166 Single-handed sailor  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:13:16am

re: #163 Kragar

Youtube Video

167 Gus  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:25:50am

…one of two possible corridors: a northern corridor stretching approximately from the border of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan to northern Thailand, or a southern corridor stretching approximately from Indonesia to the southern Indian ocean.

My map.

168 Gus  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:27:06am

Nudged norther corridor a bit.

169 Kragar  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:28:03am

re: #166 Single-handed sailor

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170 Gus  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:29:03am

171 freetoken  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:30:15am

The following illustration is how air flight does NOT work:

Youtube Video

172 Gus  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:34:29am

Or.

173 CuriousLurker  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:40:47am

re: #164 freetoken

So, you’re telling me a 777 could fly within a hundred miles of Mumbai and not be seen on radar?

No, the Malaysian PM is telling you that based on what he claims experts have told him. I don’t know enough about about how any of this stuff works to even begin to presume whether it could be true or not, which is why I’ve hardly commented on it all week.

174 Gus  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:41:40am

Average depth of Indian Ocean is 3,890 m (12,762 ft).

175 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:44:04am

re: #164 freetoken

So, you’re telling me a 777 could fly within a hundred miles of Mumbai and not be seen on radar?

It so far has managed to elude us for over a week. Conflicting radar returns. sat links, no debris.
Nothing.
So, I can’t really rule out anything as of yet.

176 CuriousLurker  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:44:48am

re: #165 freetoken

I’m just not buying that a 777 can be flown anywhere near a major international airport and not be noticed as a non-identifying aircraft.

All the more so for crossing borders between nations known to have military leaders quite suspicious of their neighbors.

I made a somewhat similar comment earlier, but as I said above, the PM is saying what he’s saying, so… *shrug* Whatever.

177 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:46:10am

So far, no one has picked it up on radar.
It clearly went somewhere.
My guess is the bottom of the Indian.

178 Gus  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:46:41am

179 Chrysicat  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:47:07am

re: #131 Targetpractice

If they even wanted the passengers for anything. They could just as easily have killed all of them either before or after landing, and set the plane up to be another missile hitting one of their foes’ most-valued civilian targets. The only problem is, we still don’t know who the hijackers are, so there’s no way of knowing their foes, either…

180 Gus  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:47:07am

181 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:47:39am

re: #178 Gus

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Yep, it’s there somewhere.

182 Gus  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:48:22am

re: #181 Varek Raith

Yep, it’s there somewhere.

Piece of cake.

183 CuriousLurker  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:48:37am

re: #177 Varek Raith

So far, no one has picked it up on radar.
It clearly went somewhere.
My guess is the bottom of the Indian.

I’m not gonna guess anymore. People are gonna start fighting over this and it’s not worth it. I’ll let the experts figure it out.

Over & out. *waves bye*

184 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:49:23am

re: #183 CuriousLurker

I’m not gonna guess anymore. People are gonna start fighting over this and it’s not worth it. I’ll let the experts figure it out.

Over & out. *waves bye*

Oh, I ain’t gonna fight over this.
Just spouting my theories at 5 in the morning.
:)

185 Gus  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:51:03am

Indian Ocean is scary deep.

186 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:51:51am

187 freetoken  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:52:12am

re: #175 Varek Raith

So, I can’t really rule out anything as of yet.

.

188 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:53:29am

re: #187 freetoken

.

It is what it is.

189 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:55:11am

BRB.

190 Gus  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:55:17am

191 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:56:08am

Sigh, the cat broke my coffee mug…

192 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:56:54am

re: #190 Gus

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It wouldn’t surprise me if we never find the thing.

193 Gus  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:57:26am

Sooner or later they’ll stop searching. Vietnam has cut air searches. As indicated by Malaysia’s PM the search areas will shift. However, those will not go on indefinitely.

194 Gus  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:57:34am

re: #192 Varek Raith

It wouldn’t surprise me if we never find the thing.

Ayep.

195 freetoken  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:58:51am

It might turn out like with Amelia Earhart.

Decades will go by, then a tiny piece of identifiable wreckage will show up.

196 Gus  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:58:57am

re: #192 Varek Raith

It wouldn’t surprise me if we never find the thing.

Which means a new generation and breed of obnoxious conspiracy theorists.

197 Gus  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:59:19am

re: #195 freetoken

It might turn out like with Amelia Earhart.

Decades will go by, then a tiny piece of identifiable wreckage will show up.

A walk through the jungle.

198 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:59:34am

re: #196 Gus

Which means a new generation and breed of obnoxious conspiracy theorists.

It landed on the grassy knoll!

199 Gus  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:01:48am

200 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:02:22am

re: #199 Gus

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B-17?

201 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:02:32am

Ah yes, another day of speculation, another day of guessing about MH370.

Can’t and won’t.

Will say, however, when I asked my landlord yesterday about the nose dive the United jet took in Philly, he said stuff like that happens, tire failure and gear collapses are not unexpected. And he’s a United mechanic—has the rotator cuff and carpel tunnel surgery to show for it. He should know. OTOH, even with all his air miles, he won’t fly to Hawaii—too long a flight, he says.

202 Gus  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:02:53am

re: #200 Varek Raith

B-17?

Yep.

203 Gus  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:03:23am

204 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:05:05am

re: #201 Justanotherhuman

I got severe vertigo the first and only time I got on a plane.
No thanks.
I’ll take a train.

205 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:05:06am

re: #203 Gus

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Is that a recent photo? Scary. : )

206 freetoken  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:06:08am

re: #201 Justanotherhuman

That oil slick found by the Vietnamese - so many people want to believe it can’t possible be MH370.

207 Gus  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:06:18am

re: #205 Justanotherhuman

Is that a recent photo? Scary. : )

Probably done for tourists. :D

208 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:07:23am

re: #206 freetoken

That oil slick found by the Vietnamese - so many people want to believe it can’t possible be MH370.

I assume they sent a ship out to collect samples?
Could match it to the type planes use?

209 Gus  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:09:25am

re: #206 freetoken

That oil slick found by the Vietnamese - so many people want to believe it can’t possible be MH370.

Not going to find too much oil on a jet.

210 Gus  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:09:42am

Hydraulic fluid, yes.

211 Gus  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:10:01am

Which is oil.

212 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:10:03am

re: #209 Gus

Not going to find too much oil on a jet.

No?
Still, seems to be the ‘strongest’ lead we have.

213 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:10:25am

Sheesh, mysteries annoy the hell out of me.

214 Teukka  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:11:28am

re: #209 Gus

Not going to find too much oil on a jet.

Hydraulic system and a much smaller amount on parts which need lubing, no? And that’s about it.

BTW, anyone found a copy of the image the Malaysian authorities have been handing out with the arcs along which the last MH370 “ping” was heard?

215 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:11:40am

re: #207 Gus

Probably done for tourists. :D

No doubt. Effective, nonetheless, and I’ll bet those guys are paid well for it, too. : ) I read that they speculate there are around 40 tribes that have never had contact w/the outside world in New Guinea.

216 freetoken  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:11:53am

re: #208 Varek Raith

Whatever little oil it had would be dispersed by now.

Also, what of the report of the NZ oil rig worker, on an oil rig off the coast of Vietnam, reporting that he saw a burning object in the sky?

And the Chinese saying their satellites (apparently a whole fleet of them) detecting misc items on the sea east of Vietnam?

217 Gus  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:12:54am

“Two giant oil slicks spotted off Vietnam”

You’re not going to get giant oil slick from a 777-200. End of story.

218 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:14:19am
219 freetoken  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:15:57am

re: #217 Gus

Note that “giant” and “oil” are interpretive.

Hydraulic fluids are usually composed of very light oils, hydrocarbons not much bigger than the fuel, or perhaps more complex silicon-carbon compounds but still quite easily dispersed.

220 freetoken  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:17:12am

Note that these simpler hydrocarbons can spread to be amazingly thin while floating on water. A little bit can cover quite an area.

221 Gus  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:17:29am

Oh, I see what CL was talking about. Haven’t been here for a couple of days.

Bye now.

222 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:18:51am

re: #218 Justanotherhuman

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Of course, of course.

223 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:20:04am

re: #221 Gus

Oh, I see what CL was talking about. Haven’t been here for a couple of days.

Bye now.

Well, I was just wondering about the oil is all.
I know very little about it.
:)

224 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:21:17am

Comment:

“No one seems to give a flip about Crimea, my twitter stream is full of … da Plane, da Plane … Where is da Plane?”

225 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:26:25am

Karzai says war ‘imposed’ on Afghanistan

bigstory.ap.org

“In a last address to Parliament on Saturday, Karzai also said his armed forces, now responsible for 93 percent of the country, were ready to take over entirely after the final withdrawal of U.S. and NATO troops later this year.

“Karzai was named as head of state by an international agreement, and subsequently by a council of Afghan notables, in the aftermath of the invasion. His final term in office expires with presidential elections next month.

“He reiterated his stance that he wouldn’t sign a security pact with Washington to allow a residual force to remain behind in Afghanistan, unless the U.S first brings peace.”

Isn’t that a big fuck you to Afghanistan, also? I’m sure Karzai’s bags are packed and he’ll have a comfortable retirement somewhere.

226 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:37:29am

I’m just reporting the reporting on this.

Keir Simmons ‏@KeirSimmons 19m

Malaysian authorities cancel a daily press conference at which they were set to answer questions about the disappearance of flight 370.


Keir Simmons ‏@KeirSimmons 35m

Malaysian investigators who arrived with police left the gated community where the pilot of flight 370 lives after 2 hours there @NBCNews

227 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 4:56:18am

re: #224 Justanotherhuman

Driving in to work late last night, scrolling through the radio trying to find something to listen to, John Gibson was making the same point

228 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 5:01:07am

Anti-war protesters in Moscow.

229 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 5:09:55am
230 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 5:11:24am
231 steve_davis  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 5:16:09am

re: #64 chadu

“I vant to dwink your bloooood!”

232 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 5:30:27am
233 compound_Idaho  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 5:43:50am

re: #70 CuriousLurker

google earth

234 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 5:55:47am

If, as is all over the web, MH370 was deliberately flown to some mysterious location - for whatever purposes, financial gain or something more nefarious - than whoever did it, pilot(s) or passengers; yeah…..we’re approaching supervillainy pretty quickly.

235 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 5:58:06am

re: #234 Dr Lizardo

If, as is all over the web, MH370 was deliberately flown to some mysterious location - for whatever purposes, financial gain or something more nefarious - than whoever did it, pilot(s) or passengers; yeah…..we’re approaching supervillainy pretty quickly.

Then logically the person who must be questioned first is George Soros, followed by Charles and David Koch.

////

236 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 5:59:44am

This is excellent! I hope more turn out.

237 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:17:25am

Just reporting…

Investigators who went to Malaysia Airlines pilot’s home went to co-pilot’s home afterwards; 2 men left premises of co-pilot’s home with officials - @NBCNews

end of alert

238 lawhawk  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:18:10am

re: #190 Gus

What kind of logic is that? We MUST speculate. There is no other way, or choice in the matter. The airwaves must be filled, and in the absence of other news, MH370 must be the headline, and speculation is the only way to address matter. /signed, the Media.

239 lawhawk  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:19:52am

re: #237 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, Malaysian authorities are only now beginning to look at the possibility that the crew played a role in the disappearance.

And the families will be strung out even longer…

240 chadu  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:30:28am

re: #161 Kragar

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“Cobra the Classy”?

It’s like goldy or bronzy, but made of iron.

241 chadu  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:32:49am

re: #191 Varek Raith

Sigh, the cat broke my coffee mug…

That’s one of the signs that Gozer is returning!

242 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:34:50am

re: #191 Varek Raith

I am sorry to hear your mug is broken. Cat is saying pay attention to me not your coffee.

243 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:35:31am

re: #240 chadu

“Cobra the Classy”?

It’s like goldy or bronzy, but made of iron.

It’s a “G.I. Joe” reference. The picture is of one of the iterations of Cobra Commander.

244 Dr. Matt  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:37:00am
245 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:37:57am

re: #244 Dr. Matt

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Alex Jones, I guess

246 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:38:32am

re: #244 Dr. Matt

lol. There have been a few suggesting such explanations.

247 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:40:04am

re: #245 sattv4u2

Alex Jones, I guess

Or George Noory!

248 Dr. Matt  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:40:36am

re: #238 lawhawk

What kind of logic is that? We MUST speculate. There is no other way, or choice in the matter. The airwaves must be filled, and in the absence of other news, MH370 must be the headline, and speculation is the only way to address matter. /signed, the Media.

I suggested yesterday that media is going to throw out every possible theory and conspiracy so after the plane is located the media can replay the tape and say they were “correct”. ….and the media are whores who will say anything to garnish attention…

249 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:40:37am

re: #243 Dark_Falcon

It’s a “G.I. Joe” reference. The picture is of one of the iterations of Cobra Commander.

WITF would anyone name themselves after the leader of a fictional terrorist organization???

250 Dr. Matt  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:46:48am

251 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:47:36am

re: #239 lawhawk

Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said Saturday that a missing passenger jet was steered off course after its communications systems were intentionally disabled and could have potentially flown for seven additional hours.

In the most comprehensive account to date of the plane’s fate, Najib drew an ominous picture of what happened aboard Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370, saying investigators had determined there was “deliberate action by someone on the plane.

252 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:47:47am
253 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:49:06am

re: #249 William Barnett-Lewis

WITF would anyone name themselves after the leader of a fictional terrorist organization???

Even though it’s defunct (I think), I had to come up with a business name when I got my trade license certificate (Živnostenský list) several years back, so I came up Specialized English Courses for Training Retail Employees.

Yep. S.P.E.C.T.R.E., sro. Only my boss got it, and he loved it.

254 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:51:56am

And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons!

255 Chrysicat  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:56:41am

re: #249 William Barnett-Lewis

WITF would anyone name themselves after the leader of a fictional terrorist organization???

You don’t wanna know.

More specifically, they usually do it because they identify with the fictional org in question and consider its canonical foe to be a bunch of fascist jerks…or maybe just too much like paladins for their taste.

256 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:58:23am

Police: Three victims after explosion at Karazin Kharkiv University (UPDATED)

(Unfortunately this is behind a paywall, but there should be more news shortly since this ostensibly just occurred.)

257 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:01:33am
258 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:01:59am


Happened after Security official told the crowd of pro-Russians:

Mike Giglio ‏@mike_giglio 32m

Security official to pro-Russia crowd massed at Donetsk HQ: “I give you my promise to serve Ukraine [jeers] and the region of Donetsk.”

259 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:03:03am
260 Chrysicat  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:04:26am

re: #259 FemNaziBitch

72-Year-Old Conn. Pastor Dies After Pulpit Confession

Wingnuts saying He’s finally taking a role in world affairs again in 3…2…1…

261 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:04:35am

re: #249 William Barnett-Lewis

WITF would anyone name themselves after the leader of a fictional terrorist organization???

What Chrysicat said in #255 covers it pretty well. Some people have a “root for the bad guy” sentiment at work.

262 darthstar  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:05:08am
263 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:05:32am

Ukrainians citizens?

Mike Giglio ‏@mike_giglio 3m

Crowd has thinned at Donetsk security HQ; some people want no part of whatever’s happening here now

264 darthstar  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:06:17am

Mornin’ gang…what’s up?

265 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:06:35am

How is it in your part of the world?

It’s sunny, muddy and melting in mine.

266 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:06:37am

re: #249 William Barnett-Lewis

I forgot to add a photo of my office; it was pretty snazzy. Real high-tech. The office; one of my students departing after a lesson in the helicopter.

267 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:07:32am

re: #259 FemNaziBitch

72-Year-Old Conn. Pastor Dies After Pulpit Confession

God called him home. And as he made sincere confession and repentance for his misdeeds and had otherwise lived a just and decent life, I have no doubt that the Lord received him unto His mercy.

268 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:09:34am

re: #265 FemNaziBitch

Enjoying a sunny day while waiting for some snow and a possible SEPTA (public transit) strike. forecast.weather.gov

269 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:09:55am
270 Dr. Matt  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:15:59am

CNN is the Donald Rumsfeld of news: the Malaysian flight might be in the area around the Indian Ocean and Indonesia and east, west, south and north somewhat.

271 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:23:06am

Good morning lizards!

No problems with the iPad last night. My daughter didn’t plug it in all the way. It was a dead battery.

272 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:24:08am
273 darthstar  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:25:49am

re: #269 FemNaziBitch

ah!, it’s going to snow tonite.

I feel your pain.

274 Dr. Matt  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:25:49am
275 darthstar  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:27:04am

re: #272 NJDhockeyfan

Looks like a grassroots movement to me.

276 Flounder  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:27:47am

re: #274 Dr. Matt

That brings back memories of when I played rugby. We had the best nekkid beer slides!

277 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:30:51am

re: #272 NJDhockeyfan

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Not like North Korea. These guys are better fed (they’re a good bit taller than North Koreans) and not nearly as well drilled. They can march in step serviceably, but their formation has bulges and irregularities that you wouldn’t see with the Norks.

That having been said, close order drill and marching is teh hard.

278 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:32:50am

re: #272 NJDhockeyfan

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Though looking at those photos I half expected to see tanks coming up behind the marching men,

279 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:35:03am

280 darthstar  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:35:16am
281 chadu  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:44:19am

re: #243 Dark_Falcon

It’s a “G.I. Joe” reference. The picture is of one of the iterations of Cobra Commander.

(flat stare) Thank you, Captain Obvious. Next up: water is wet.

;)

282 chadu  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:44:55am

re: #244 Dr. Matt

(raises hand)

Downstairs, I think, actually.

283 chadu  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:46:02am

re: #249 William Barnett-Lewis

WITF would anyone name themselves after the leader of a fictional terrorist organization???

Especially a “conservative.”

Hence, irony. Let me smelt it for you.

284 darthstar  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:46:21am
285 Chrysicat  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:46:52am

re: #281 chadu

re: #281 chadu

(flat stare) Thank you, Captain Obvious. Next up: water is wet.

;)

In fairness, we’re not all Gen X’ers. Cobra Commander was only introduced for the small Joes, so anyone over 45 would prolly only know him if their kids had the habit of watching…
…and Joe was dead for the majority of the ’90s, so any Millennials we have in here might have as hard a time recognizing the character.

286 chadu  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:47:32am

re: #255 Chrysicat

You don’t wanna know.

More specifically, they usually do it because they identify with the fictional org in question and consider its canonical foe to be a bunch of fascist jerks…or maybe just too much like paladins for their taste.

Wasn’t Cobra Commander originally a used car salesman?

Think about it.

Irony: it’s good for the blood!

287 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:50:01am

re: #278 Dark_Falcon

Though looking at those photos I half expected to see tanks coming up behind the marching men,

Those will be added to the May 1st parade.

288 chadu  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:52:55am

re: #285 Chrysicat

In fairness, we’re not all Gen X’ers. Cobra Commander was only introduced for the small Joes, so anyone over 45 would prolly only know him if their kids had the habit of watching…
…and Joe was dead for the majority of the ’90s, so any Millennials we have in here might have as hard a time recognizing the character

Point taken, and 63% of snark aimed at DF retracted.

289 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:54:16am
290 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:55:59am
291 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:58:22am

re: #290 FemNaziBitch

What is good for Wall Street is not necessarily good for Main Street.

292 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:59:12am
293 Chrysicat  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 8:01:04am

re: #292 NJDhockeyfan

They’re not going to leave West Ukraine with any industry outside of Kyiv itself, or any seacoast, are they?

294 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 8:01:07am

More…

295 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 8:02:39am
296 darthstar  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 8:07:31am

Something tells me the GOP is getting ready to unleash a full assault on President Obama as soon as Russia/Ukraine blows up.

Country first.

297 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 8:10:00am

re: #289 FemNaziBitch

hmmm

Fake quote.

298 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 8:11:59am

re: #297 Killgore Trout

Fake quote.

Then I’m sure you have something to cite like VB does when calling a Jefferson or Washington quote fake, right?

299 Dr. Matt  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 8:15:47am

re: #297 Killgore Trout

Fake quote.

DOESNT MATTER IF OTS FAKKE IFZ ITS TREUUE

300 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 8:16:16am

re: #298 William Barnett-Lewis

Then I’m sure you have something to cite like VB does when calling a Jefferson or Washington quote fake, right?

301 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 8:17:31am

I did find an article in which Greenspan endorsed immigrants because they kept wages low.

302 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 8:18:10am

Thanks for the fact checking!

303 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 8:20:42am

I need moar sleep.

304 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 8:21:50am

re: #303 FemNaziBitch

We all need more sleep. I am still missing an hour from that switch to DST. :(

305 RealityBasedSteve  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 8:24:34am

Watching Storage Wars on Amazon Prime while waiting for the bread dough to rise. I know it’s staged, but I still love it.

RBS

306 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 8:25:45am

re: #304 PhillyPretzel

We all need more sleep. I am still missing an hour from that switch to DST. :(

I think I missing that hour from the last 40 years or so.

307 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 8:25:52am

Just getting up to speed with the missing airliner story. I guess it’s possible it was stolen/hijacked but why? It’s not like the new owners can fly it around. If terrorists wanted to kill 200 people (or take them hostage) there are much easier ways to accomplish that. There haven’t been any ransom demands or claims of responsibility. It doesn’t make much sense to me but I would have thought the same thing if someone told be the 9-11 plan before it happened. I guess we’ll see soon enough.

308 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 8:28:12am

re: #288 chadu

Point taken, and 63% of snark aimed at DF retracted.

Thanks.

309 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 8:28:33am

re: #285 Chrysicat

In fairness, we’re not all Gen X’ers. Cobra Commander was only introduced for the small Joes, so anyone over 45 would prolly only know him if their kids had the habit of watching…
…and Joe was dead for the majority of the ’90s, so any Millennials we have in here might have as hard a time recognizing the character.

Thank you even more.

310 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 8:29:24am

Jim Wright has a good piece about this over at Stonekettle Station.

Into The Twilight Zone: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370

311 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 8:38:49am

McCain giving presser in Ukraine. Why? This is live.

conx.state.gov

312 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 8:40:53am
313 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 8:41:16am
314 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 8:42:17am

Indiana road-rage slaying nets Cook County officer 50 years

A man who had worked as a Cook County correctional officer was sentenced to 50 years in prison on Friday in Lake County, Indiana, after being convicted of the road-rage killing of a man last year who had thrown a cup at his vehicle.

315 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 8:42:34am

OK, this appears to be Dick Durbin. This is the US delegation who went to Ukr, giving assurances.

conx.state.gov

316 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 8:42:59am

re: #311 Justanotherhuman

McCain giving presser in Ukraine. Why? This is live.

conx.state.gov

because Biden is there and the GOP thinks they need to show some dick?

317 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 8:47:25am
318 Kid A  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 8:48:45am
319 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 8:49:08am

re: #315 Justanotherhuman

OK, this appears to be Dick Durbin. This is the US delegation who went to Ukr, giving assurances.

conx.state.gov

The promise of economic aid sounds hollow after McCain’s disappointment yesterday.

320 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 8:49:24am

Trending on twitter: #whitemanmarch

seriously?

321 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 8:52:25am

I never understood Ninja Turtles

322 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 8:55:07am

re: #320 FemNaziBitch

Trending on twitter: #whitemanmarch

seriously?

There’s a website at whitemanmarch dot com.

1. What is the White Man March? What is the purpose and ultimate goal of the march?

The White Man March is scheduled for March 15th, 2014, and will involve coordinated pro-white activity around the world. The purpose is to spread information through activism, but also to make a statement that White people are united in their love for their race and in their opposition to its destruction.

Non-white groups such as La Raza have monthly marches and gatherings with many thousands of participants, while groups advocating for White interests remain relatively silent or hidden from the public. One of the major goals of the White Man March is to demonstrate that pro-White people are able to form a unified front and participate in large-scale action simultaneously, which will send a powerful message to our supporters, our enemies, and those of our race who are still on the fence. We also seek to set a precedent that other pro-white organizations can follow in the future.

2. How many people do you expect to participate?

We are expecting thousands of people to participate in one way or another. We are encouraging people to start networking together now to coordinate local events or to join up with larger regional events. If there are only a few people in a location, they can hang up a banner, hand out fliers, and strike up conversations. If there are more than a few people, they could organize a lightning march (a non-violent flash mob) to make a statement and then disperse before any anti-white protestors or police show up. With larger groups, the demonstrations could be akin to the torch marches of “the Immortals” in Germany. Even if someone wants to stay inside on that day, they can help our efforts by posting about the White Man March in comment sections and message boards. So regardless of size and location, something can be done. All events should be filmed and photographed, so that we can compile a strong show of force after the event.

3. What are the main political and cultural statements you are hoping to make with the White Man March?

We are planning to show that White people are organized and impassioned, that we know what the anti-white agenda is all about, and that we are dedicated to waking up as many of our folk as possible. We will make it clear that we will not sit idly by as our race is discriminated against, mocked, displaced, and violently attacked, all of which amount to white genocide, according to the United Nation’s own definition of genocide. This is why one of our big messages, which will be displayed on many large banners, is “DIVERSITY” = WHITE GENOCIDE. These banners will spread the message to the public at large in the most effective way possible. This “diversity” agenda is being directed at white countries (and only at white countries) with various programs to ensure that there are less white people at schools and in the work force, which is unfair and discriminatory, taking away money and opportunities from the White citizens. “Diversity” is a codeword for White Genocide.

Etc.

323 Chrysicat  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 8:57:11am

re: #322 wrenchwench

Someone should’ve hacked the info page to include “Don’t forget your hoods!”
If this is racial solidarity, then make me a traitor today and 3 times on Sunday…

324 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 8:58:01am
“You would not believe how some people in this world live,” Tim Widener explained. He has participated in multiple mission trips to such places as Peru and countries in Latin America. Having witnessed that quality of life, he is disturbed by the fact that this country is home to many who face the same circumstances.

“This is our home country,” he emphasized. “These people have to struggle every single day.”

this spurned my google

Poorest County in America

325 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 8:59:14am

re: #323 Chrysicat

Someone should’ve hacked the info page to include “Don’t forget your hoods!”
If this is racial solidarity, then make me a traitor today and 3 times on Sunday…

The only racial solidarity that means anything to me is that of the human race. Earth for Earthlings!

326 thedopefishlives  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:00:05am

re: #322 wrenchwench

AAAARGLE BARGLE.

Morning Lizardim from the cold and cloudy wild north country. I’m tolerating the presence of the fishfolk so far; there have only been a few sidelong wingnut references. I might yet escape the weekend without a diatribe. How go things among the lizardfolk?

327 thedopefishlives  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:00:17am

re: #325 wrenchwench

The only racial solidarity that means anything to me is that of the human race. Earth for Earthlings!

I, for one, welcome our new grey-skinned overlords.

328 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:01:38am

re: #326 thedopefishlives

AAAARGLE BARGLE.

Morning Lizardim from the cold and cloudy wild north country. I’m tolerating the presence of the fishfolk so far; there have only been a few sidelong wingnut references. I might yet escape the weekend without a diatribe. How go things among the lizardfolk?

Morning fishy. Did the folks come just to spoil the fry and take a thousand photos?

329 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:02:48am

re: #326 thedopefishlives

AAAARGLE BARGLE.

Morning Lizardim from the cold and cloudy wild north country. I’m tolerating the presence of the fishfolk so far; there have only been a few sidelong wingnut references. I might yet escape the weekend without a diatribe. How go things among the lizardfolk?

Sunny and 50s today in Philly. About to go run errands since planned activity for the day was canceled. And then neaten up the place since my brother is coming to visit for a few days and arriving this evening.

330 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:04:30am
331 thedopefishlives  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:05:19am

re: #328 wrenchwench

Morning fishy. Did the folks come just to spoil the fry and take a thousand photos?

Yes. Yes they did. Oh, supposedly they wanted to hang out with us, too, but we all know that’s not really the point.

332 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:08:10am

re: #323 Chrysicat

Someone should’ve hacked the info page to include “Don’t forget your hoods!”
.

LOL

But now I need to clean up my coffee off the desk.

333 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:11:12am

A Happy Saturday to all. Ya know how our feline overlords get bored with their toys? We got one of those Cats Meow spinning arm toys. Pro Tip-Just discovered if you put a little post it note stuck to the end of the plastic arm it’s suddenly like a Brand New Toy. Maine Coon will sleep for hours after this.

334 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:14:21am

re: #333 Political Atheist

A Happy Saturday to all. Ya know how our feline overlords get bored with their toys? We got one of those Cats Meow spinning arm toys. Pro Tip-Just discovered if you put a little post it note stuck to the end of the plastic arm it’s suddenly like a Brand New Toy. Maine Coon will sleep for hours after this.

I WANT A MAINE COON!!!!!

335 thedopefishlives  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:15:23am

re: #333 Political Atheist

A Happy Saturday to all. Ya know how our feline overlords get bored with their toys? We got one of those Cats Meow spinning arm toys. Pro Tip-Just discovered if you put a little post it note stuck to the end of the plastic arm it’s suddenly like a Brand New Toy. Maine Coon will sleep for hours after this.

I had to laugh - when my folks saw Basement Cat, my mom thought she must’ve stuck her tail in a light socket. She put on a lot of fur over this winter and she is a very fluffy kitty. Moral Grey Area Cat, on the other hand, is a shorthair and only puts on weight. Poor guy.

336 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:15:47am

re: #321 FemNaziBitch

I never understood Ninja Turtles

[Embedded content]

The original comic was an amazing bit of dark dark dark satire - they even had the Master keel over from a heart attack - nothing at all like the kiddie dreck on TV.

TV occasionally did some interesting things with kiddy superheros in things like Batman - the Animated Series, or X-Men or, perhaps best of all of them, the 2003 animiated Teen Titans.

But Turtles? Not so much.

337 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:16:14am
338 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:20:20am

re: #337 FemNaziBitch

[Embedded content]

somehow, sex is immoral, but war is fine.

I think this may be the problem.

339 darthstar  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:21:22am

re: #321 FemNaziBitch

I never understood Ninja Turtles

[Embedded content]

Reckless dumping of chemical waste has its benefits.

340 thedopefishlives  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:21:49am

re: #338 FemNaziBitch

somehow, sex is immoral, but war is fine.

I think this may be the problem.

See, I have a bit of a conundrum here. Their public statements say that sex is immoral, but who is it that keeps getting caught in all the sex scandals?

341 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:22:07am
342 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:22:54am

re: #340 thedopefishlives

See, I have a bit of a conundrum here. Their public statements say that sex is immoral, but who is it that keeps getting caught in all the sex scandals?

Well, they seem to enjoy the danger.

I guess it’s either viagra or danger for them.

343 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:23:16am

It’s only a scandal if you are trying to hide it.

344 thedopefishlives  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:25:11am

re: #343 FemNaziBitch

It’s only a scandal if you are trying to hide it.

Which, most of them are trying to… Mostly because they’re ashamed that they’re the ones having the “immoral” sex. Maybe those that live in glass houses shouldn’t be throwing stones?

345 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:25:35am

re: #334 FemNaziBitch

You won’t be sorry and it need not be a purebred. The traits are strong in the mixed breeds. Vet thinks ours is mostly MC but some rag-doll.

346 darthstar  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:25:36am

re: #341 FemNaziBitch

Trump won’t run for anything. He’s a celebrity, not a politician.

347 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:25:54am

re: #344 thedopefishlives

Which, most of them are trying to… Mostly because they’re ashamed that they’re the ones having the “immoral” sex. Maybe those that live in glass houses shouldn’t be throwing stones?

and it’s only immoral because of their arbitrary rules about it.

so fucked-up.

348 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:27:00am

I just finished watching Miracle a little while ago. I love that movie.

349 Skip Intro  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:27:07am

re: #341 FemNaziBitch

“While I won’t be running for Governor of New York State, a race I would have won, I have much bigger plans in mind- stay tuned, will happen!” Trump wrote.

What a delusional douche.

350 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:27:11am

re: #345 Political Atheist

You won’t be sorry and it need not be a purebred. The traits are strong in the mixed breeds. Vet thinks ours is mostly MC but some rag-doll.

Current Feline Overlord is 14 and doing fine.

for some reason, I can buy a purebreed dog, but not a purebreed cat. There are so many barn cats available.

neighbor has one of those leopard cats. It is sooo kewl. it was a rescue. Maybe I’ll look into that when I’m in need of a new Leader.

351 thedopefishlives  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:28:28am

re: #350 FemNaziBitch

Current Feline Overlord is 14 and doing fine.

for some reason, I can buy a purebreed dog, but not a purebreed cat. There are so many barn cats available.

neighbor has one of those leopard cats. It is sooo kewl. it was a rescue. Maybe I’ll look into that when I’m in need of a new Leader.

Basement Cat and Moral Grey Area Cat are 8 and 7, respectively. I hadn’t realized they were so old. They still act like kittens sometimes.

352 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:29:03am


There’s a guy tweeting real white supremacist slogans, unironically.

353 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:29:33am

bbl

354 ObserverArt  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:30:16am

re: #338 FemNaziBitch

somehow, sex is immoral, but war is fine.

I think this may be the problem.

Or, maybe for some war has replaced sex. If you can’t get it up…replace it with a tank! They are big and hard.

/

355 thedopefishlives  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:31:32am

re: #348 NJDhockeyfan

I just finished watching Miracle a little while ago. I love that movie.

I’d never heard the story before I watched the movie. My wife informed me a few years ago, “Oh, everybody in Minnesota knows. I even knew about it and it was before my time.”

356 darthstar  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:32:23am

So is there a white man march today? Twitter is all a-flitter with it.

357 thedopefishlives  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:32:42am

re: #356 darthstar

So is there a white man march today? Twitter is all a-flitter with it.

There is. I wonder what the real attendance numbers look like.

358 darthstar  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:32:54am
359 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:33:49am

re: #348 NJDhockeyfan

I just finished watching Miracle a little while ago. I love that movie.

Considering just how many movies are named that, I’m going to guess you’re talking about the hockey one… ;)

360 darthstar  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:34:03am

re: #357 thedopefishlives

There is. I wonder what the real attendance numbers look like.

147 million. Wherever you stand, you’re part of the march.

361 thedopefishlives  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:34:32am

re: #360 darthstar

147 million. Wherever you stand, you’re part of the march.

Yeah, that’s a lie. I’m marching in the opposite direction.///

362 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:34:36am

re: #348 NJDhockeyfan

re: #355 thedopefishlives

We in/ from Massachussetts were also well aware of the story as many of the players came from the Boston area and/ or were on the Boston University team

363 darthstar  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:35:47am

re: #361 thedopefishlives

Yeah, that’s a lie. I’m marching in the opposite direction.///

But you’re marching! I’m sitting on the couch.

364 RealityBasedSteve  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:37:54am

I marched to the kitchen to put some bread in the oven, and it’s WHITE bread. I guess I’m guilty.

RBS

365 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:38:13am

re: #350 FemNaziBitch

We have a rule. Rescue first, accept a gift second, and go out to buy a distant unlikely third. We have never gone out to buy from anywhere but a shelter. And a shoutout to the Los Angeles East Valley Animal Shelter btw. No kill, nice glass “get acquainted” rooms and true animal lovers on staff. Our chosen MC mix was underweight for release, but once we described our care plan and showed a vet reference we went home with a tiny weaned kitted that grew to 15 pounds. So tiny, we had no idea she was an MC. As she grew, and grew and grew the vet filled us in.

366 darthstar  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:39:21am

Ambassador Power isn’t exactly pulling punches.

367 darthstar  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:40:13am

re: #364 RealityBasedSteve

I marched to the kitchen to put some bread in the oven, and it’s WHITE bread. I guess I’m guilty.

RBS

Your lack of fiber shall not be denied.

368 RealityBasedSteve  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:43:52am

re: #367 darthstar

Your lack of fiber shall not be denied.

I admit to a distinct lack of moral fiber…

RBS

369 darthstar  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:46:41am

Remember this dick?


Well, he still can’t spell and he has a twitter account.

And he’s a bigot.

370 thedopefishlives  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:47:32am

re: #365 Political Atheist

Basement Cat was bought from a pet store. I got Moral Grey Area Cat from a girl working at the grocery store where I shop. She had been talking to the customer in front of me about a kitten she was giving away, and when my turn came up, I told her I was interested. So I brought him home and he became my feline overlord.

371 darthstar  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:48:16am

Make that racist.

372 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:52:25am

re: #355 thedopefishlives

I’d never heard the story before I watched the movie. My wife informed me a few years ago, “Oh, everybody in Minnesota knows. I even knew about it and it was before my time.”

The hockey scenes in the movie were great. This is better. It’s the real game…

Youtube Video

373 darthstar  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:53:59am
374 thedopefishlives  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 10:03:07am

re: #372 NJDhockeyfan

The hockey scenes in the movie were great. This is better. It’s the real game…

[Embedded content]

Al Michaels tried to recreate his commentary as exactly as possible. At the final call, though, the movie replayed the original audio from the game. The producers felt that it wasn’t fair to ask Michaels to try to reproduce the excitement and energy of that moment.

375 Dr. Matt  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 10:12:36am

Christian Day is a Sunday……the day God said we’re suppose to rest, not conduct business, something, something, etc.

376 thedopefishlives  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 10:16:02am

re: #375 Dr. Matt

They’re more like guidelines anyway.

377 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 10:18:58am
378 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 10:21:20am
379 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 10:25:35am
380 bratwurst  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 10:26:36am
381 sagehen  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 10:31:11am

re: #325 wrenchwench

The only racial solidarity that means anything to me is that of the human race. Earth for Earthlings!

I dunno, I wouldn’t mind an influx of Satedans and Athosians, there’s a lot to be said for Bajorans, a Vulcan or two at the EPA would not go amiss…

382 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 10:32:40am

re: #379 NJDhockeyfan

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I have to doubt we have the power, it’s our will that’s the real issue.

383 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 10:37:25am

re: #382 Killgore Trout

I have to doubt we have the power, it’s our will that’s the real issue.

That’s exactly what it is. Last night, I found re-reading myself George Kennan’s essay, “The Sources of Soviet Conduct”.

I wonder if we have the will to ‘contain’ the Russians like we did back in the Cold War era?

We’ll find out soon enough, I suppose. I don’t doubt that the EU could do all number of unpleasant things to Russia’s economy. Britain and the City would seem to be the weakest link in that chain, but if the City could put the squeeze on the Russians (along with the Swiss and the Germans and some of the smaller financial havens in the EU), then yeah….Russia would be feeling the heat in fairly short order.

384 thedopefishlives  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 10:39:01am

re: #381 sagehen

I dunno, I wouldn’t mind an influx of Satedans and Athosians, there’s a lot to be said for Bajorans, a Vulcan or two at the EPA would not go amiss…

Put a Ferengi in charge of the economy. What could possibly go wrong?

385 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 10:41:15am
386 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 10:44:36am

re: #383 Dr Lizardo

That’s exactly what it is. Last night, I found re-reading myself George Kennan’s essay, “The Sources of Soviet Conduct”.

I wonder if we have the will to ‘contain’ the Russians like we did back in the Cold War era?

We’ll find out soon enough, I suppose. I don’t doubt that the EU could do all number of unpleasant things to Russia’s economy. Britain and the City would seem to be the weakest link in that chain, but if the City could put the squeeze on the Russians (along with the Swiss and the Germans and some of the smaller financial havens in the EU), then yeah….Russia would be feeling the heat in fairly short order.

I think we’re playing a different game now with a longer vision. despite all the rhetoric, I think we (the West) have resigned ourselves to allow Iran, Russia, Venezuela, Syria, etc. run their desired course without much serious interference. The leadership in all these countries is historically doomed and will eventually be replaced but for now we lack the will to enforce serious sanctions and military intervention is very unlikely. I guess it’s a tortoise and the hare strategy.

387 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 10:49:24am

New Lebanon government reaches compromise on Hezbollah arms

Unlike in previous programmes, the text does not explicitly confer on Hezbollah a role of resisting Israel but still acknowledges the right to resort to arms outside the authority of the state.

“Based on the responsibility of the state to preserve Lebanon?s sovereignty and its independence (and) territorial integrity… the government affirms the role of the state and its quest to liberate” territory held by Israel “with all legitimate means,” it reads.

But the text also affirms the “right of Lebanese citizens to resist the Israeli occupation, repel its attacks and take back the occupied territory.”

Prime Minister Tammam Salam unveiled the country’s compromise government on February 15, capping 10 months of political wrangling and bringing together Hezbollah and Hariri’s bloc.

Hezbollah is now an officially recognized autonomous military force.

388 Flounder  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 10:49:37am

re: #385 Charles Johnson

Is this your way of telling us you are out of coffee filters?

389 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 10:53:31am

re: #385 Charles Johnson

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Is she ancient or something, that she needs all the “help”?

390 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 10:57:25am
391 Kragar  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 10:58:01am

re: #321 FemNaziBitch

I never understood Ninja Turtles

[Embedded content]

I never understood how they turned the original comic into a kids show. The original comic was like Kurosawa “Throne of Blood” dark.

392 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 11:00:16am
393 Flounder  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 11:02:06am

Seven best muscle cars of all time
bankrate.com
Boss Ford wins!

394 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 11:02:47am

re: #389 Justanotherhuman

Is she ancient or something, that she needs all the “help”?

She’s on 9” platforms. She’s breathing thin air, and could break an ankle pretty easily.

395 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 11:03:59am

re: #392 Justanotherhuman

[Embedded content]

That’s very refreshing to see. Even the Dali Lama don’t fly coach.

396 Kragar  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 11:15:02am

Fun Fact: If they made a Ninja Turtles movie based on the original stories, it would look like Sin City meets Kill Bill more than anything else.

397 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 11:17:55am
398 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 11:18:54am

Statement of the MFA of Ukraine with respect to assault landing of the Russian Armed Forces in the Kherson region on March 15

mfa.gov.ua

“Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine expresses its strong and categorical protest against the landing on March 15, 2014 near the village Strilkove, Kherson region of troops of the Russian Federation Armed Forces in a number of 80 military personnel, and seizure of the village Strilkove with the support of 4 helicopter gunships and 3 armored combat machines.

“Ukraine Foreign Ministry declares the military invasion by Russia and demands the Russian side to immediately withdraw its military forces from the territory of Ukraine.

“Ukraine reserves the right to use all necessary measures to stop the military invasion by Russia.”

399 ObserverArt  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 11:20:41am

GaGa makes me GagGag.

/

400 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 11:21:35am
401 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 11:25:52am

This journalist is earning his money today.


402 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 11:28:31am
403 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 11:35:39am
404 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 11:37:26am

Lol


405 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 11:42:27am

re: #404 NJDhockeyfan

Lol

[Embedded content]

lol
Translation: The occupation will intensify until morale improves

406 chadu  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 11:59:30am

re: #340 thedopefishlives

See, I have a bit of a conundrum here. Their public statements say that sex is immoral, but who is it that keeps getting caught in all the sex scandals?

Sending a dick-pic is exactly the same as being caught in a diaper with a prostitute.

407 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 12:39:49pm

re: #351 thedopefishlives

Basement Cat and Moral Grey Area Cat are 8 and 7, respectively. I hadn’t realized they were so old. They still act like kittens sometimes.

Crumple a sheet of newspaper and the kitten that resides in any Feline Overlord starts to come out.

408 Eventual Carrion  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 3:36:55pm

re: #369 darthstar

Remember this dick?
[Embedded image]

Well, he still can’t spell and he has a twitter account.

And he’s a bigot.

[Embedded content]

Ha. What about my gay?


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