Photo Gallery: Huge Anti-War Demonstration in Moscow

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Here’s a reminder that Russian society is not a one-sided monolith, as thousands of people stage an anti-war rally against Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, ahead of the Crimean vote on secession.

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Meanwhile, Putin’s supporters held a counter-demonstration with a slightly different vibe.

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175 comments
1 StephenMeansMe  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:02:41pm

Red Army style? Really subtle there, Putin-ites. (Putiniks?)

2 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:05:37pm

re: #1 StephenMeansMe

Red Army style? Really subtle there, Putin-ites. (Putiniks?)

It’s message of open confrontation towards the West as well, and of Cold War nostalgia.

3 ObserverArt  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:06:23pm

Do people demonstrating in the streets of Russian cities mean anything to Putin? I’m thinking they might not carry much weight. He seems to be doing whatever he is doing because he can.

4 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:06:33pm

Funny, the pro-Putin demonstration looks rather communist, doesn’t it? Now how can that be, when the bear-wrestling ubermensch that is the subject of wingnut wet dreams is being supported by people who idolize the days of the Soviet Union? Surely our far-Right friends should have a problem with supporting a guy who’s so obviously drawing the support of Russia’s pro-Soviet legions, right?

5 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:08:41pm

Putin was arresting them a few weeks ago. The crowds are far too massive for him to do anything now. This is something the Russians were never able to do during the Cold War.

6 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:09:42pm

One cool thing about the Getty stuff is now you get to see the photo credits, the photographer’s name attached.

On point: I hope Sergey is doing okay.

7 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:10:43pm

re: #4 Targetpractice

Funny, the pro-Putin demonstration looks rather communist, doesn’t it? Now how can that be, when the bear-wrestling ubermensch that is the subject of wingnut wet dreams is being supported by people who idolize the days of the Soviet Union? Surely our far-Right friends should have a problem with supporting a guy who’s so obviously drawing the support of Russia’s pro-Soviet legions, right?

He’ll lose some on the right over this one, yes. Not all of his fans, but but a decent chunk of them. Those on the right who don’t like Putin may be able to help the disaffection process along by reminding their friends of what Ronald Reagan thought of Communism and Soviet marches through Red Square.

8 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:11:48pm

re: #1 StephenMeansMe

Red Army style? Really subtle there, Putin-ites. (Putiniks?)

He really seems jealous of how Stalin could keep things “in order”.

9 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:14:00pm

Also, I’d like to express my admiration for the people that showed up in opposition to the government. Unlike in the US that _is_ risking something. I hope they can build a decent government someday.

10 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:14:22pm
11 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:19:34pm

I believe they far outnumber these guys…


12 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:22:49pm

re: #11 NJDhockeyfan

I believe they far outnumber these guys…

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Bolshevik, but with Nazi-style flags. Fuck them.

/Not a Godwin, just an observation.

13 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:24:02pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

Bolshevik, but with Nazi-style flags. Fuck them.

/Not a Godwin, just an observation.

The worst of all worlds?

BIAB.

14 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:27:59pm

re: #13 William Barnett-Lewis

The worst of all worlds?

BIAB.

National Bolshevism; an idea championed by Aleksander Dugin.

en.wikipedia.org

Dugin has criticized Putin for the “loss” of Ukraine, and accused his Eurasianism of being “empty.” In 2005 he announced the creation of an anti-Orange youth front to fight similar threats to Russia. The Eurasian Youth Union created and sponsored by Dugin was accused of vandalism and extremist activities. The organization was banned in Ukraine by the courts and Alexander Dugin was declared persona non grata due to his anti-Ukrainian activities. He was deported back to Russia when he arrived at Simferopol International Airport in June 2007.

Before war broke out between Russia and Georgia in 2008, Dugin visited South Ossetia and predicted, “Our troops will occupy the Georgian capital Tbilisi, the entire country, and perhaps even Ukraine and the Crimean Peninsula, which is historically part of Russia, anyway.” Afterwards he said Russia should “not stop at liberating South Ossetia but should move further,” and “we have to do something similar in Ukraine.”

15 Ryan King  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:31:31pm

Would it be too cynical of me to assume the right wing blogs will treat the peace demonstrators in Russia with the same disdain as OWS?

Ladled in betwixt how this is all Obama’s fault because, well, liberals are pussies and the dictators act out unless they fear a boot on the neck.

And, uh, Putin is a statesman and leader.

16 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:32:16pm

re: #11 NJDhockeyfan

I believe they far outnumber these guys…

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Such young looking Bolsheviks. So it goes.

17 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:34:59pm

The one with the guy playing the accordion belongs in the pro-Putin section.

18 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:39:04pm

re: #15 Ryan King

Would it be too cynical of me to assume the right wing blogs will treat the peace demonstrators in Russia with the same disdain as OWS?

Ladled in betwixt how this is all Obama’s fault because, well, liberals are pussies and the dictators act out unless they fear a boot on the neck.

And, uh, Putin is a statesman and leader.

They’ll blame it on Sauron Satan Saul Alinsky Soros. At the same time, they have no problem with Russia Today and the Koch brothers spreading subversion, incitement, and idiocy in this country.

19 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:48:32pm

re: #14 Dr Lizardo

National Bolshevism; an idea championed by Aleksander Dugin.

en.wikipedia.org

So its a group favoring expansion by force of arms and to Hell with what the locals think. That justifies “Fuck Them.” in my book.

20 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:48:35pm

I’m a Putin cynic. IMO- Putin will at best ignore these people. At worst we’ll see violent counter demonstrators.

21 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:49:09pm

re: #1 StephenMeansMe

Red Army style? Really subtle there, Putin-ites. (Putiniks?)

Putinistas!

22 Lidane  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:52:27pm

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

It’s message of open confrontation towards the West as well, and of Cold War nostalgia.

No wonder the RWNJs love Putin. They’ve been wanting a return to the Cold War since the 90s.

23 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:54:53pm

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

So its a group favoring expansion by force of arms and to Hell with what the locals think. That justifies “Fuck Them.” in my book.

Dugin’s seminal work is “The Foundations Of Geopolitics: The Geopolitical Future Of Russia”. It’s said to have had a major influence within Russian foreign policy circles.

The book declares that “the battle for the world rule of [ethnic] Russians” has not ended and Russia remains “the staging area of a new anti-bourgeois, anti-American revolution.” The Eurasian Empire will be constructed “on the fundamental principle of the common enemy: the rejection of Atlanticism, strategic control of the USA, and the refusal to allow liberal values to dominate us.”

Military operations play relatively little role. The textbook believes in a sophisticated program of subversion, destabilization, and disinformation spearheaded by the Russian special services. The operations should be assisted by a tough, hard-headed utilization of Russia’s gas, oil, and natural resources to bully and pressure other countries. The book states that “the maximum task [of the future] is the ‘Finlandization’ of all of Europe”.

en.wikipedia.org

24 simoom  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:55:42pm

Looks like Pussy Riot’s Nadya Tolokonnikova and Masha Alyokhina were there too. This was posted to one of the Reddit threads on the protest:

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[edit: I wonder if the Reuters photog in the mid-ground is Sasha Mordovets?]

25 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:56:46pm

Putin thugs.


26 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:00:02pm

It was a “drill”, then they decided it was an “armed criminal”. Armed gunmen couldn’t make up their mind how to label it.


27 Lidane  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:00:55pm

re: #4 Targetpractice

Surely our far-Right friends should have a problem with supporting a guy who’s so obviously drawing the support of Russia’s pro-Soviet legions, right?

28 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:03:02pm

Vladimir’s gov’t accuses the Maidan protesters of being fascist while his United Russia goons march around in unison wearing identical quasi-militaristic dress uniforms with epaulettes and watch caps.

It’s pretty clear which group is trying over hard to create an image of strict conformity. It’s pretty clear which group isn’t interested in individual expression. This is the most pathetic, nakedly nationalistic bullshit I’ve seen in a long time. Say what you will about certain elements within Maidan, those people never presented anything close to this level of fucked up Orwellian groupthink. Do they even understand how visceral, how gut wrenchingly offensive this kind of imagery is to most of the world?

29 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:06:20pm

re: #23 Dr Lizardo

Dugin’s seminal work is “The Foundations Of Geopolitics: The Geopolitical Future Of Russia”. It’s said to have had a major influence within Russian foreign policy circles.

en.wikipedia.org

My answer to that is “Just try it, Jerky!”

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30 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:08:37pm

re: #28 goddamnedfrank

Vladimir’s gov’t accuses the Maidan protesters of being fascist while his United Russia goons march around in unison wearing identical quasi-militaristic dress uniforms with epaulettes and watch caps.

It’s pretty clear which group is trying over hard to create an image of strict conformity. It’s pretty clear which group isn’t interested in individual expression. This is the most pathetic, nakedly nationalistic bullshit I’ve seen in a long time. Say what you will about certain elements within Maidan, those people never presented anything close to this level of fucked up Orwellian groupthink. Do they even understand how visceral, how gut wrenchingly offensive this kind of imagery is to most of the world?

Putin may well know and is doing it because its offensive, as a way of enraging the West and thereby daring them to stop him. Putin’s betting they won’t try and that the impotence of their rage will then yield to demoralization.

31 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:11:59pm
32 simoom  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:14:42pm

Luap Nor parroting Russian propaganda to the Guardian:

Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are ‘an act of war’. Paul tells Guardian change in Ukraine is US-backed coup.

The former Republican congressman and three-time presidential candidate Ron Paul has launched a scathing attack on what he calls a US-backed coup in Ukraine, insisting the Crimean people have the right to align their territory with Moscow and characterising sanctions against Russia as “an act of war”.

He also said providing economic aid to Ukraine was comparable to giving support to rebels in Syria knowing it would end up in the hands of al-Qaida.

…

Ron Paul, who retired from his Texas congressional seat in 2012, has always adopted a sceptical view of US foreign interventions. He said that although the US had not been involved in any military overthrow of the government in Kiev, it had facilitated a coup in the sense of “agitating” elements who wanted to usurp Ukraine’s former president, Victor Yanukovych.

“The evidence is pretty clear that the NGOs [non-governmental organisations] financed by our government have been agitating with billions of dollars, trying to get that government changed,” he said. “Our hands are not clean.”

…

“Now we’re getting involved with the Europeans in trying to change the government of Ukraine,” he said. “Now they want our money. It is just like when we when we go out and try and throw out [Syrian president Bashar al-] Assad, we end up working with al-Qaida. Now we’re likely to give money to Ukraine so they can pay their bills to Russia. That is the insanity of it all.”

His son, an increasingly strong contender for the Republican presidential nomination, made a similar point in the Senate on Thursday, when he voted against a bill providing aid to Ukraine.

…

“It is based on a moral principle of theft. They want to target sanctions against 20 or 30 bad Russians who they claim have committed a crime against humanity, and therefore we’re going to freeze their assets and steal them from them.”

33 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:16:09pm

re: #30 Dark_Falcon

Putin may well know and is doing it because its offensive, as a way of enraging the West and thereby daring them to stop him. Putin’s betting they won’t try and that the impotence of their rage will then yield to demoralization.

That’s a stupid theory. I very much doubt that Putin has anything to do with his supporters wardrobe choices or that it’s part of some bizarre psy-warfare strategem. Crimea matters to him symbolically and both he and his people are nostalgic for lost Soviet glory. There’s nothing at all intelligent about what they’re doing. The fact that the West won’t intervene militarily was obvious from the beginning, but Russia is systematically destroying every ounce of international credit and goodwill they had left. This will damage their already damaged economy greatly and leave them horribly isolated on the world stage.

34 TedStriker  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:16:18pm

re: #32 simoom

Luap Nor parroting Russian propaganda to the Guardian:

Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are ‘an act of war’. Paul tells Guardian change in Ukraine is US-backed coup.

Fuck you very much, Ron.

Go back to the Galt’s Gulch Retirement Home, why don’t you?

35 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:16:37pm

re: #32 simoom

Luap Nor parroting Russian propaganda to the Guardian:

Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are ‘an act of war’. Paul tells Guardian change in Ukraine is US-backed coup.

Yeah, I wonder who greased the way for Ron Paul to give that interview?

As if we didn’t know.

36 TedStriker  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:18:33pm

re: #35 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, I wonder who greased the way for Ron Paul to give that interview?

As if we didn’t know.

I’m going to guess that the person’s name starts with a ‘G’ and ends with ‘reenwald’.

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37 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:21:19pm

re: #31 Justanotherhuman

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The Russians didn’t want to try to defend a natural gas plant. The risk of an explosion is way too high.

38 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:22:30pm

re: #32 simoom

Luap Nor parroting Russian propaganda to the Guardian:

Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are ‘an act of war’. Paul tells Guardian change in Ukraine is US-backed coup.

Hyper-selfish libertarian asshole.

39 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:23:02pm

re: #33 goddamnedfrank

There is no cause for hostility, Frank. I’m on your side in this matter.

41 Teukka  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:24:24pm

re: #23 Dr Lizardo

Dugin’s seminal work is “The Foundations Of Geopolitics: The Geopolitical Future Of Russia”. It’s said to have had a major influence within Russian foreign policy circles.

en.wikipedia.org

Browsing through the Wikipedia page, I note that my country of birth could potentially be invaded by Russia. I sure as hell hope Putin and his cronies aren’t that silly.

42 Ryan King  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:24:49pm

re: #38 wrenchwench

Hyper-selfish libertarian asshole.

That’s a horrible thing to say.

It should be Moronic Hyper-selfish libertarian asshole.

43 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:33:22pm

re: #42 Ryan King

That’s a horrible thing to say.

It should be Moronic Hyper-selfish libertarian asshole.

The original version started with ‘Fucking’. Moronic is better.

44 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:35:12pm

re: #43 wrenchwench

The original version started with ‘Fucking’. Moronic is better.

“Fucking” works just fine, given that Luap Nor is fucking the United States by spewing Russian propaganda.

45 Ryan King  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:36:04pm

re: #43 wrenchwench

The original version started with ‘Fucking’. Moronic is better.

Yeah, well, Ron Paul fucking lead to Rand Paul.

46 Ryan King  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:37:38pm

:swearword:fucking’restart_thread’

47 Chrysicat  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:43:42pm
48 jc717  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:44:20pm

Why are so many posters in English?

49 Lidane  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:46:45pm

Meanwhile, the oppressed mobilized today. Or something:


50 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:47:50pm

re: #48 jc717

Why are so many posters in English?

I see two. Maybe those were chosen because we can read them. Surely they were written in English to communicate with people outside of Russia.

51 Lidane  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:48:18pm

Because sending troops to Ukraine would be easy to do:


Go home, McCain. You’re drunk.

52 jhrhv  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:50:59pm

The Tea Party is going to blame Obama for this.
/

53 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:51:04pm
54 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:54:36pm

And, right on time, GG promotes this pro-Russian piece in the LA Times.



An example is callling the new Ukrainian govt leaders “extremists”, a la Putin, when Svoboda is a minority within the Parliament and leadership. Right Sector, of course, has no leadership positions within the new govt. Robert English does not name one of those he calls extremists who captured “key posts in the new Ukrainian government”, although 5 members of Svoboda were named to some type of ministerial position. Svoboda is described elsewhere as “nationalistic” but not neo- or otherwise fascist, and Oleh Tyahnybok, leader of Svoboda, has no leadership position in the new govt.

“How did such extremists capture key posts in the new Ukrainian government? If Svoboda was only a minority faction in the parliament (and Right Sector just a fringe paramilitary group), and their ideology is not shared by a majority of Ukrainian moderates, then doesn’t that mean that Putin is right? That Ukraine’s cobbled-together-under-street-pressure new government is indeed unrepresentative, and therefore illegitimate?”

latimes.com

Better that Ukraine is not under the yoke of Russia, and left free to pursue its own course to become part of Europe. It’s still undergoing a lot of growing pains. I think Ukraine will sort itself out on the side of freedom for all its citizens if given the chance.

55 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:54:57pm

re: #51 Lidane

” long-term military assistance” ≠ “deployment of ground troops”. Try listening to what people are saying instead of just making assumptions.

56 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:55:13pm

European right wingers support Putin. It’s only logical that US rightwingers would too. It’s just so inconvenient that we spent the entire cold war opposed to the Soviet Union, and haven’t rehabilitated Russia yet.

(Laura’s link is more interesting that David’s, IMHO.)


57 Chrysicat  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:57:14pm
58 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 2:58:38pm

re: #56 wrenchwench

European right wingers support Putin. It’s only logical that US rightwingers would too. It’s just so inconvenient that we spent the entire cold war opposed to the Soviet Union, and haven’t rehabilitated Russia yet.

(Laura’s link is more interesting that David’s, IMHO.)

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Not a surprise; again, that’s part of the strategy laid out in Dugin’s “Foundations of Geopolitics”.

As I said, the book is said to be quite influential in Russian foreign policy circles, as well as military circles.

59 Lidane  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 3:05:38pm

re: #55 Dark_Falcon

” long-term military assistance” ≠ “deployment of ground troops”. Try listening to what people are saying instead of just making assumptions.

Because military aid to Ukraine would be easy.

Also he’s making his comments while echoing the RWNJ derp that Obama’s a coward that is making the US weak. Screw him. I don’t care how embarrassed he is by the Senate, he can’t babble about POTUS weakening America then say we should send military aid.

60 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 3:16:15pm

re: #58 Dr Lizardo

Not a surprise; again, that’s part of the strategy laid out in Dugin’s “Foundations of Geopolitics”.

As I said, the book is said to be quite influential in Russian foreign policy circles, as well as military circles.

Not exactly available at Amazon, apparently.

61 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 3:17:26pm


[…]

Republicans think President Obama’s approach to foreign policy is “weak” and “indecisive,” but without his approach, the “Arab Spring” would not be happening, the Iranians would not be negotiating with he rest of the world to end their nuclear program, and the Iraq and Afghanistan wars would still be ongoing. The precision with which Obama conducts foreign policy is actually breathtaking. It’s why he got rid of bin Laden when the Republicans couldn’t (or didn’t want to), and why Ghadaffy is gone.

“Macho” posturing and declaring that America has the biggest balls is not a basis for foreign policy. And frankly, the effusive praise Republicans are heaping on President Putin, at the same time they denigrate President Obama, is beyond unseemly. It’s disgusting, and it’s part of a pattern of putting the GOP ahead of the country. It’s shameful.

62 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 3:21:09pm
63 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 3:22:41pm

re: #60 wrenchwench

Not exactly available at Amazon, apparently.

You can download it here, but it’s in Russian.

translate.google.cz

64 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 3:23:14pm

re: #61 wrenchwench

Ha, as a comedy piece that one’s pretty good.

65 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 3:25:42pm

re: #63 Dr Lizardo

You can download it here, but it’s in Russian.

translate.google.cz

Just reading about it has been educational. Don’t have time to learn Russian right now, though. Thanks for posting about it, and feel free to do more of that. :-)

66 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 3:26:15pm

re: #64 Dark_Falcon

Ha, as a comedy piece that one’s pretty good.

Hit you where it hurts, eh?

/

67 Weet  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 3:27:49pm

68 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 3:30:37pm

re: #66 wrenchwench

Hit you where it hurts, eh?

/

By which I mean I’m laughing at the author.

69 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 3:30:40pm
70 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 3:35:04pm

re: #68 Dark_Falcon

By which I mean I’m laughing at the author.

What part(s) cracked you up?

71 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 3:38:05pm
72 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 3:41:50pm

Old T-Bone Burnett MTV music video…

Youtube Video

73 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 3:42:51pm

re: #70 wrenchwench

What part(s) cracked you up?

The contention that Obama is responsible for the ‘Arab Spring’, for starters.

BBL

74 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 3:45:14pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

Old T-Bone Burnett MTV music video…

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Back when MTV actually did mean “Music Television”?

75 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 3:45:45pm
76 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 3:46:19pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

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“Jazz hands!”

77 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 3:46:39pm
Interestingly, the word maidan exists in Ukrainian but not in Russian, but even people speaking Russian use it because of its special implications. In origin it is just the Arabic word for “square,” a public place. But a maidan now means in Ukrainian what the Greek word agora means in English: not just a marketplace where people happen to meet, but a place where they deliberately meet, precisely in order to deliberate, to speak, and to create a political society.

They’re imposing the Sharia!!!!

78 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 3:47:02pm

re: #74 Targetpractice

Back when MTV actually >did mean “Music Television”?

And everyone had ridiculous haircuts.

79 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 3:47:26pm

Maduro vs. Chuckies
Venezuela’s Maduro gives ultimatum to Caracas protesters

“I’m giving the Chuckys, the killers, just a few hours,” Maduro said, using the name of a murderous child-doll in a horror film to describe anti-government demonstrators who have made the normally genteel 1940s square a base of operations.

“If they don’t retreat, I’m going to liberate those spaces with the security forces,” Maduro added. “They have a few hours to go home … Chuckys, get ready, we’re coming for you.”

80 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 3:48:17pm

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

…for starters.

BBL

Those two things don’t go together.

81 bratwurst  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 3:51:03pm


Again…if you are ok with paying more than people in other countries for worse service, feel free to do nothing about this.

82 CuriousLurker  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 3:57:39pm

re: #77 wrenchwench

They’re imposing the Sharia!!!!

Heh, when I first heard saw the hashtag #Euromaidan being used for the protests in Ukraine I thought it was a reference to the Arab Spring, until I looked it up and realized it exists in Ukrainian.

I was kinda surprised the wingnuts didn’t latch on to it and start screeching about creeping sharia & the global caliphate.

83 Lidane  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 3:59:57pm
84 Chrysicat  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 4:00:42pm

re: #79 Killgore Trout

Ohhhhh crap. Somehow I don’t think _his_ troopers will stop at 90 like Yanuk’s did. This is about to get very ugly as well.

85 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 4:01:14pm

re: #82 CuriousLurker

Heh, when I first heard saw the hashtag #Euromaidan being used for the protests in Ukraine I thought it was a reference to the Arab Spring, until I looked it up and realized it exists in Ukrainian.

I was kinda surprised the wingnuts didn’t latch on to it and start screeching about creeping sharia & the global caliphate.

Uh oh, now they will….

86 darthstar  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 4:02:01pm

Something tells me Putin’s grip on power is about to become somewhat more tenuous. With the EU threatening economic rat-fuckery, the US proposing limited sanctions, and allies like the head of one of Russia’s gas companies cashing in his stock and running for the hills, my guess is this is the most thought out political maneuver since the GOP shut down the US government last fall.

87 CuriousLurker  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 4:02:04pm

re: #83 Lidane

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Wow, it took me like a full minute of staring at it to see the shape of the woman.

88 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 4:06:06pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

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“Look at me. I can play. Centerfield.”

Youtube Video

89 EPR-radar  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 4:08:06pm

re: #68 Dark_Falcon

By which I mean I’m laughing at the author.

OK. I’ll bite. Please tell us how the author’s thesis that GOP foreign policy consists entirely of dick-swinging is wrong.

To keep this bounded, lets limit it to the post-9/11 era, since I’ll be the first to admit the GOP was not completely useless on foreign policy before then.

90 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 4:10:55pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

re: #88 Feline Fearless Leader

You got tuna!

91 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 4:12:50pm

re: #86 darthstar

Something tells me Putin’s grip on power is about to become somewhat more tenuous. With the EU threatening economic rat-fuckery, the US proposing limited sanctions, and allies like the head of one of Russia’s gas companies cashing in his stock and running for the hills, my guess is this is the most thought out political maneuver since the GOP shut down the US government last fall.

For the short term I think Putin will be fine. This is well thought out, he knows how far he can push and what we’re likely to do to counter him. Russians safely moved all their US bonds off shore this week so their investment is safe. They’re close to sealing a trade deal for Iranian oil in exchange for building new nuclear plants. They can probably weather any sanctions we’ll put on them without much trouble.

92 darthstar  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 4:18:42pm

Some diarist at dKos posted that MH370 might have landed in Central Asia. One response made me chuckle at the CT nature of the diary.

If you think YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE was a documentary (7+ / 0-)
Fine. I think I still have my Dr Evil Nehru jacket somewhere in the closet.

93 darthstar  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 4:20:58pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

For the short term I think Putin will be fine. This is well thought out, he knows how far he can push and what we’re likely to do to counter him. Russians safely moved all their US bonds off shore this week so their investment is safe. They’re close to sealing a trade deal for Iranian oil in exchange for building new nuclear plants. They can probably weather any sanctions we’ll put on them without much trouble.

Well thought out? Are you serious? Even Putin’s aides are saying the guy is shooting from the hip…but they’re afraid to cross him because he serves polonium pancakes for breakfast.

94 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 4:22:48pm

So in a bid to help me prepare for eventually having to teach people statistics, I’ve decided to make a post every Saturday about statistics.

Here’s todays, on “Sampling”.

littlegreenfootballs.com

I’m also going to being a post tomorrow on sociology, so I’ll be doing Sociology Sundays, too.

Try to contain your excitement.

95 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 4:24:26pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

For the short term I think Putin will be fine. This is well thought out, he knows how far he can push and what we’re likely to do to counter him. Russians safely moved all their US bonds off shore this week so their investment is safe. They’re close to sealing a trade deal for Iranian oil in exchange for building new nuclear plants. They can probably weather any sanctions we’ll put on them without much trouble.

But what does he get out of it?

That’s been the problem since the beginning, there really isn’t anything Russia gains.

96 prairiefire  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 4:24:59pm

Oy, this makes me nervous. Just how ham fisted will Putin be?

97 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 4:25:04pm

re: #94 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

So in a bid to help me prepare for eventually having to teach people statistics, I’ve decided to make a post every Saturday about statistics.

Here’s todays, on “Sampling”.

littlegreenfootballs.com

I’m also going to being a post tomorrow on sociology, so I’ll be doing Sociology Sundays, too.

Try to contain your excitement.

I look forward to both. I was a sociology major who had to teach herself statistics after dropping out of algebra in high school.

98 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 4:26:42pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

For the short term I think Putin will be fine. This is well thought out, he knows how far he can push and what we’re likely to do to counter him. Russians safely moved all their US bonds off shore this week so their investment is safe. They’re close to sealing a trade deal for Iranian oil in exchange for building new nuclear plants. They can probably weather any sanctions we’ll put on them without much trouble.

He may be fine in the short-time; but the West needs to look at more long-term efforts to yet again contain Russia and it’s neo-imperial aspirations. Economic isolation is more difficult now, but it can be done if there’s the will to do it, and in my little part of the world, there certainly is. It’s a matter of convincing the Germans to go along with it, and it can be done. The wildcard is the Brits - the City loves them some sweet, sweet Russian oligarch money.

99 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 4:28:06pm

re: #97 wrenchwench

I look forward to both. I was a sociology major who had to teach herself statistics after dropping out of algebra in high school.

I actually haven’t taken the math placement test at my school yet so I’m boning up on precalc.

100 jaunte  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 4:30:27pm

Dr. Dmitry Gorenburg:
Putin’s potentially costly blunder in Ukraine

“…Some Western analysts have argued in recent days that Putin is scoring a massive victory by taking Crimea with pretty much no resistance. But it seems to me that this action was taken not as a triumphant victory but as an effort to avoid what Putin perceived to be a complete geopolitical rout in the aftermath of the defeat of Yanukovych. This seems quite short-sighted to me, as without the Russian intervention the Maidan forces were likely to fall to squabbling and would have most likely come to a relatively quick accommodation with Moscow. Now, it appears that the likeliest scenario is that Putin gets Crimea as a client state (or new province to subsidize) while permanently losing any influence in the rest of Ukraine. The majority of Ukrainians in eastern and southern Ukraine have no desire to be ruled by Putin and will support their leadership while the threat of Russian invasion persists, absent any really stupid polarizing actions on the part of said leadership. I would count this as a net strategic loss for Putin.”

101 darthstar  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 4:36:48pm

re: #100 jaunte

Dr. Dmitry Gorenburg:
Putin’s potentially costly blunder in Ukraine

But the dudebros think Putin is brilliant! Who is right?

102 darthstar  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 4:37:43pm
103 EPR-radar  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 4:37:52pm

re: #98 Dr Lizardo

He may be fine in the short-time; but the West needs to look at more long-term efforts to yet again contain Russia and it’s neo-imperial aspirations. Economic isolation is more difficult now, but it can be done if there’s the will to do it, and in my little part of the world, there certainly is. It’s a matter of convincing the Germans to go along with it, and it can be done. The wildcard is the Brits - the City loves them some sweet, sweet Russian oligarch money.

It would truly be ironic if the only thing needed for Russia to do as it pleases vs. the West is for their oligarchs to effectively bribe western oligarchs.

104 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 4:39:58pm

re: #99 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I actually haven’t taken the math placement test at my school yet so I’m boning up on precalc.

In think there’s something missing from the last sentence. ‘…how likely it was a [nicely-named amendment] _________, only stratified sampling…..

The blank needs ‘would be to pass’ or something along that line.

105 Stanley Sea  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 4:40:03pm

re: #99 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I actually haven’t taken the math placement test at my school yet so I’m boning up on precalc.

Ah memories. I had a tutor for pre-calc at UF. I was as thick as a brick when it came to math. Barely made it.

106 Stanley Sea  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 4:41:11pm

re: #100 jaunte

Dr. Dmitry Gorenburg:
Putin’s potentially costly blunder in Ukraine

Hoping exactly that. And that the Oligarchs are saying no way Puti.

107 Skip Intro  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 4:41:51pm

re: #49 Lidane

Meanwhile, the oppressed mobilized today. Or something:

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White genocide? Hell, there’s only two of them so I can see why they’d think that.

108 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 4:42:24pm

re: #103 EPR-radar

It would truly be ironic if the only thing needed for Russia to do as it pleases vs. the West is for their oligarchs to effectively bribe western oligarchs.

Heh. Well, like they say, money makes the world go ‘round.

Like I said, the Western foreign-policy wonks are gonna need to come up with some kind of an effective ‘neo-containment’ strategy; not easy, but I’m pretty confident it can be done.

109 Stanley Sea  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 4:42:30pm

re: #102 darthstar

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But we’ll take deposits. Cash preferred.

110 Skip Intro  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 4:44:19pm

re: #55 Dark_Falcon

” long-term military assistance” ≠ “deployment of ground troops”. Try listening to what people are saying instead of just making assumptions.

So, who is going the pay for it, hmm? Should we raise taxes because we all know the worst thing in the world is adding to the deficit. Hell, your party was willing to send the US into default over that.

111 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 4:44:40pm

re: #100 jaunte

Dr. Dmitry Gorenburg:
Putin’s potentially costly blunder in Ukraine

I’ve seen that but I take it with a grain of salt. A few weeks ago the NYT was reporting allegations that Putin had gone insane and lost touch with reality. I’m skeptical of the claims that Putin has fallen into our trap and we have him just were we want him.

112 Stanley Sea  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 4:45:36pm

So I re-upped my Stephen King love. Just read Dr. Sleep (excellent) going back to 11/22/63. First 50 pages = epic King.

113 jaunte  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 4:46:00pm

re: #111 Killgore Trout

Putin has fallen into our trap and we have him just were we want him

I wouldn’t say that, but I wonder now that he’s in Crimea, what he has that he didn’t have already.

114 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 4:50:36pm

By the way, here’s a good review of Dugin’s “Foundations”.

115 Stanley Sea  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 4:54:03pm

re: #114 Dr Lizardo

Ding w/o read. Trust you.

116 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 4:56:43pm

re: #104 wrenchwench

In think there’s something missing from the last sentence. ‘…how likely it was a [nicely-named amendment] _________, only stratified sampling…..

The blank needs ‘would be to pass’ or something along that line.

Thanks, fixed.

117 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 4:56:58pm

re: #113 jaunte

I wouldn’t say that, but I wonder now that he’s in Crimea, what he has that he didn’t have already.

I’ve wondered that too. I think the new Ukrainian government was very careful to not make any indication that it might close Russian military bases or default on its bills owed to Russia. I suppose Putin is looking to make Crimea a permanent property of Russia (protectorate, puppet, province, whatever) He might not stop there and make a move on Kiev. I have no idea.

118 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 4:58:14pm

re: #114 Dr Lizardo

Thanks! I emailed it to the future me, who might read it tomorrow.

119 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 5:05:03pm

re: #118 wrenchwench

Thanks! I emailed it to the future me, who might read it tomorrow.

It’s certainly interesting reading. Dugin has some rather…..eccentric….ideas, to put it mildly, but I wouldn’t take him lightly, or simply dismiss him as a lunatic.

120 Lidane  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 5:06:45pm

re: #99 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I actually haven’t taken the math placement test at my school yet so I’m boning up on precalc.

I took pre-calc in undergrad. I was doing great in it and had an A all the way through until we got to the sections that involved trig, then I didn’t do so hot. Managed to salvage a B in the class overall, at least.

I think my favorite math class I ever took was Discrete Math when I had delusions of being an MIS major. I took a Logic class when I was in middle school, so Discrete Math brought back a lot of memories. I ended up liking that class but hated the rest of the MIS program, so I switched.

121 Aqua Obama  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 5:06:54pm

re: #119 Dr Lizardo

bbc.com

122 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 5:10:20pm

re: #111 Killgore Trout

I’ve seen that but I take it with a grain of salt. A few weeks ago the NYT was reporting allegations that Putin had gone insane and lost touch with reality. I’m skeptical of the claims that Putin has fallen into our trap and we have him just were we want him.

Can you say what you think that Russia actually gains from taking Crimea?

As I’ve said, to me this seems more like something they were forced into rather than chose freely. Putin has built his credibility on a nationalistic Russia, a strong, militaristic, Russian Orthodox-religious Russia that’s not just a nation but a people. He backed the pro-Russian, now-ousted leaders of the Ukraine, but their regime collapsed—and not in a way that was easily foreseen.

Russia’s move into the Crimea, where there are lots and lots of ethnic Russians, seems less predicated on any actual gain internationally, and more something Putin was forced into.

What do you think Russia gains?

123 palomino  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 5:11:07pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

He’ll lose some on the right over this one, yes. Not all of his fans, but but a decent chunk of them. Those on the right who don’t like Putin may be able to help the disaffection process along by reminding their friends of what Ronald Reagan thought of Communism and Soviet marches through Red Square.

Wishful thinking. The American right likes Putin, in much the same way they hate Obama: primarily an emotional response, not the result of actually examining policies. American tea partiers and other Putin fans know he’s an authoritarian strongman with no tolerance for dissent and no real belief in free speech/religion. And yet they still like him.

Not much could happen to change this irrational affection; just as virtually nothing could make conservatives do the opposite regarding Obama — give him credit for anything or ever rally around him during tough times.

124 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 5:13:18pm

re: #121 Aqua Obama

bbc.com

Yep….whenever I see “Russian media”, I’m thinking, “Oh, crap….”

The propaganda is unbelievably blatant; it’s histrionic.

125 Lidane  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 5:14:12pm

re: #122 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

What do you think Russia gains?

A bunch of delusional RWNJ fans in the United States.

126 Lidane  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 5:15:39pm

re: #123 palomino

American tea partiers and other Putin fans know he’s an authoritarian strongman with no tolerance for dissent and no real belief in free speech/religion. And yet they still like him.

This holds true for the idiot dudebros who think Snowden is freer in Russia than he was in the States then look the other way when you point out that Putin actually jails and/or kills his critics unlike POTUS.

127 Kid A  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 5:18:47pm

Funny frame I shot last night.

128 Kid A  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 5:19:14pm

One more.

MORE COWBELL!!!

129 Lidane  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 5:26:15pm
130 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 5:26:17pm
131 RealityBasedSteve  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 5:29:43pm

re: #99 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I actually haven’t taken the math placement test at my school yet so I’m boning up on precalc.

I always loved math, I UNDERSTOOD algebra, Trig, Geometry. I KNEW why it worked, It made perfect sense to me. I LIVED for word problems on tests.

Then…. I hit Calculus. I had never hit a wall that hard, that fast. Got through the first semester with a ‘cookbook’ approach. Do this, do this, do this, get this answer… but not a clue why or what.

Second semester, I withdrew before the first exam (mid-term), since that way my transcript would read “Withdraw-passing” (since there hadn’t been any exams yet). I know if I had done it later it would have been “Withdrew-Failing”.

It was more than a bit humbling.

RBS

132 TedStriker  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 5:30:33pm

re: #49 Lidane

Meanwhile, the oppressed mobilized today. Or something:

In Branson, of all places.

I think it’s fucking hilarious that these choads are so fucking pathetic.

133 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 5:33:55pm

re: #119 Dr Lizardo

It’s certainly interesting reading. Dugin has some rather…..eccentric….ideas, to put it mildly, but I wouldn’t take him lightly, or simply dismiss him as a lunatic.

Oh look! Here he is on video:



I still haven’t learned Russian….

134 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 5:38:49pm

re: #133 wrenchwench

Oh look! Here he is on video:

[Embedded content]


I still haven’t learned Russian….

I’ll have to listen to it a couple of times. Thanks for the link.

135 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 5:44:19pm

re: #133 wrenchwench

Oh look! Here he is on video:

[Embedded content]


I still haven’t learned Russian….

Here’s a video of Dugin, subtitled in English via CC: Youtube Video

Dugin shares his views on post-modern society and its alternative found in radical revolutionary conservatism founded on the philosophical framework of traditionalism.

136 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 5:44:30pm

Ooooh, good one.


137 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 5:47:01pm

I think Markos has an emoprog rebellion on his hands.

Markos, “Why Are YOU Here?”

138 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 5:50:16pm
139 DKoch  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 5:51:50pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

Can you give those of us who don’t want to click a link that would force us take a second shower today a thumbnail description of their bleating?

140 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 5:53:47pm
141 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 5:55:00pm

re: #139 DKoch

No, sorry, I had to read it. So do you.

142 DKoch  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 5:57:03pm

re: #141 Charles Johnson

hahahahahah.. you mean.

143 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:00:12pm

Later, lizards.

144 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:01:12pm

re: #133 wrenchwench

Oh look! Here he is on video:

[Embedded content]


I still haven’t learned Russian….

And here’s Dugin in English.

Youtube Video

The End Of The Present World Conference, that was held on the 12th October 2013, at a prestigious venue in central London, explored alternative potentialities offered by the declining American unipolar world and the nascent Fourth Political Theory.

And if anyone’s wondering what the Fourth Political Theory is, here’s a description:

All the political systems of the modern age have been the products of three distinct ideologies: the first, and oldest, is liberal democracy; the second is Marxism; and the third is fascism. The latter two have long since failed and passed out of the pages of history, and the first no longer operates as an ideology, but rather as something taken for granted. The world today finds itself on the brink of a post-political reality - one in which the values of liberalism are so deeply embedded that the average person is not aware that there is an ideology at work around him. As a result, liberalism is threatening to monopolise political discourse and drown the world in a universal sameness, destroying everything that makes the various cultures and peoples unique. According to Alexander Dugin, what is needed to break through this morass is a fourth ideology - one that will sift through the debris of the first three to look for elements that might be useful, but that remains innovative and unique in itself. Dugin does not offer a point-by-point program for this new theory, but rather outlines the parameters within which it might develop and the issues which it must address. Dugin foresees that the Fourth Political Theory will use the tools and concepts of modernity against itself, to bring about a return of cultural diversity against commercialisation, as well as the traditional worldview of all the peoples of the world - albeit within an entirely new context. Written by a scholar who is actively influencing the direction of Russian geopolitical strategy today, The Fourth Political Theory is an introduction to an idea that may well shape the course of the world’s political future.

145 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:03:05pm

re: #138 Charles Johnson

I will never understand the point of hanging out at a site if you don’t like the commentators and don’t agree with the owner. I guess if you want to practice being a confrontational or passive-aggressive asshole.

146 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:04:28pm
147 TedStriker  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:06:59pm

re: #93 darthstar

Well thought out? Are you serious? Even Putin’s aides are saying the guy is shooting from the hip…but they’re afraid to cross him because he serves polonium pancakes for breakfast.

I hear those are all the rage at the Moscow IHOP; just imagine those Rooty, Tooty, Fresh, and Fruity.

///

148 jamesfirecat  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:11:19pm

re: #147 TedStriker

I hear those are all the rage at the Moscow IHOP; just imagine those Rooty, Tooty, Fresh, and Fruity.

///

I hear they have gotten “glowing” reviews.

149 jaunte  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:16:07pm

re: #138 Charles Johnson

Now playing at Daily Kos: Rebellion of the Emoprogs.

Some folks forgetting they have to win elections before deciding how the country should run.

150 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:16:30pm

Goodnight, Lizards.

151 DKoch  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:18:28pm

I used to read GOS, it was a good site, and then John Edwards’ candidacy dragged in the naderites, nihilists, firebaggers, and the dead-enders still squabbling about 1968, and it just wrecked the joint. Left and went to BJ and TPM.

No matter how they failed, the sore losers still have the nerve to say they represent progressives.

152 Lidane  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:22:50pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

I think Markos has an emoprog rebellion on his hands.

Markos, “Why Are YOU Here?”

Dear Emoprogs,

Kos is there because it’s his goddamn website. It’s even got his name on the tin. Don’t like it? Feel free to go elsewhere.

Glad to help out,
Me

153 klys  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:23:43pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

I think Markos has an emoprog rebellion on his hands.

Markos, “Why Are YOU Here?”

Wait, that can’t be. DKos is the barometer for how all liberals think, they move in lockstep and so we can look there to see what the left thinks on any given issue.

///or so I’m told.

154 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:26:13pm

re: #152 Lidane

I don’t even get the concept that some there seem to be expressing that they’re there to ‘organize’. You don’t organize political movements by hanging out and commenting on a website. You don’t create and decide and implement strategy by doing so.

155 jaunte  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:27:58pm
156 Lidane  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:33:49pm

re: #154 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I don’t even get the concept that some there seem to be expressing that they’re there to ‘organize’. You don’t organize political movements by hanging out and commenting on a website. You don’t create and decide and implement strategy by doing so.

These are the same type of Firebagger/DU dipshits who tried to organize a writer’s strike at DKos. During the actual writer’s strike in Hollywood where people were putting their careers and livelihoods on the line. You can imagine how well that went over.

This new wankery will go much the same way. Kos will tell them they’re free to leave. Most will. A few will stick around and keep whining.

157 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:34:16pm

re: #83 Lidane

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That one should be labeled NSFW.

158 thedopefishlives  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:34:32pm

re: #145 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I will never understand the point of hanging out at a site if you don’t like the commentators and don’t agree with the owner. I guess if you want to practice being a confrontational or passive-aggressive asshole.

This is why most of us still hang out here, after all. The rest all went full stalker.

159 DKoch  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:37:02pm

re: #154 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

they really do believe that kibitzing on a web page while sitting on their couch with their IPad is equal to pounding pavements and knocking on doors in the snow.

160 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:38:50pm

re: #149 jaunte

Some folks forgetting they have to win elections before deciding how the country should run.

Those emoprogs don’t care about elections, they care about ideological purity. Which is the sort of logic that results in permanent gridlock.

161 Stanley Sea  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:47:05pm

re: #156 Lidane

These are the same type of Firebagger/DU dipshits who tried to organize a writer’s strike at DKos. During the actual writer’s strike in Hollywood where people were putting their careers and livelihoods on the line. You can imagine how well that went over.

This new wankery will go much the same way. Kos will tell them they’re free to leave. Most will. A few will stick around and keep whining.

Reality Kos.

162 RealityBasedSteve  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:49:11pm

re: #160 Dark_Falcon

Those emoprogs don’t care about elections, they care about ideological purity. Which is the sort of logic that results in permanent gridlock.

I believe it was Bismark that referred to politics as “The Art of the Possible”. That requires compromise, tradeoffs and accommodations. In other words, you have to act like a real adult to play.

RBS

163 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:58:35pm

re: #161 Stanley Sea

Reality Kos.

It probably won’t take as long though, since Kos, like Charles, has learned that when someone is complaining endlessly and being abusive they normally are going to either cross the line or flounce no matter how many chances you give them. He probably will ban one or two of them, while others will leave after posting Parting Screeds that will be deleted.

164 DKoch  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 6:59:08pm

Does anyone know why the loons are angry at Markos?

Is it because he’s on record saying the NSA poutrage is white privilege wankery?

Seriously, I just don’t care.

NSA spying is bad! So is stop and frisk. So is splitting up families by deporting children to countries they’ve never been to and don’t speak the language. So is harassing American muslims.

Government overreach is bad. But to act like having the government track who you call is the height of government abuse is a very white privileged view of the privacy issue.

But as for Greenwald and Snowden? Seriously, I don’t give two shits.

165 chadu  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:03:13pm

Howdy, Lizards.

The dance I went to tonight ended up being a bust — small town cannot haz two events at once! unpossible! — so they shut down early.

Rather than paying another cover charge, I came home.

What is, as they say, up?

166 chadu  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:04:35pm

re: #4 Targetpractice

Funny, the pro-Putin demonstration looks rather communist, doesn’t it? Now how can that be, when the bear-wrestling ubermensch that is the subject of wingnut wet dreams is being supported by people who idolize the days of the Soviet Union? Surely our far-Right friends should have a problem with supporting a guy who’s so obviously drawing the support of Russia’s pro-Soviet legions, right?

Nah.

167 chadu  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:05:38pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

He’ll lose some on the right over this one, yes. Not all of his fans, but but a decent chunk of them. Those on the right who don’t like Putin may be able to help the disaffection process along by reminding their friends of what Ronald Reagan thought of Communism and Soviet marches through Red Square.

I’m going to spitball he’ll lose 10% of his fans in the media.

168 chadu  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:07:48pm

re: #26 Justanotherhuman

It was a “drill”, then they decided it was an “armed criminal”. Armed gunmen couldn’t make up their mind how to label it.

Just like with the missing plane, I’m curious about just what’s going on here.

169 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:09:04pm

re: #167 chadu

I’m going to spitball he’ll lose 10% of his fans in the media.

You’re going awfully high on that one.

170 chadu  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:10:52pm

O/T

Because I went to the store today, I have the fixings for, and have made, a favorite treat/small meal:

handful and a half of rolled oats
small handful of flax seeds
half-handful of currants (can use chopped apricots and/or dates, too)
half-handful of nuts (I’m actually using a trail mix with extra fruit)
apple juice (or cider) to 3/4 full
stir with a spoon
use spoon to shovel goodness into mouth-hole

NOM!

171 chadu  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:11:13pm

re: #169 William Barnett-Lewis

You’re going awfully high on that one.

I’m an optimist.

172 chadu  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:21:26pm

re: #45 Ryan King

Yeah, well, Ron Paul fucking lead to Rand Paul.

173 chadu  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:24:08pm

re: #49 Lidane

Meanwhile, the oppressed mobilized today. Or something:

So, these white dudes wouldn’t want to get together with a nice/interesting/sexy black, Latino/Latina, Asian (any flavor), or whatever person?

More for me. And you. And everyone who isn’t a racist jerkhole.

174 chadu  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 7:28:40pm

re: #49 Lidane

Meanwhile, the oppressed mobilized today. Or something:

“I very well may be president of the United States in 2020, but for right now I am supporting some pro-White candidates from the American Freedom Party,” he said.

175 EPR-radar  Sat, Mar 15, 2014 9:17:54pm

re: #131 RealityBasedSteve

I always loved math, I UNDERSTOOD algebra, Trig, Geometry. I KNEW why it worked, It made perfect sense to me. I LIVED for word problems on tests.

Then…. I hit Calculus. I had never hit a wall that hard, that fast. Got through the first semester with a ‘cookbook’ approach. Do this, do this, do this, get this answer… but not a clue why or what.

Second semester, I withdrew before the first exam (mid-term), since that way my transcript would read “Withdraw-passing” (since there hadn’t been any exams yet). I know if I had done it later it would have been “Withdrew-Failing”.

It was more than a bit humbling.

RBS

The funny thing about math is that I think just about everyone hits that same kind of wall if they persist in taking math classes. What varies is where in the progression of math education people hit their own individualized walls. I think anything from algebra to graduate school math curriculum can act as the wall, depending on the person.


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