Observations on Evasiveness, Featuring Glenn Greenwald

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As Vladimir Putin shuts down dissenting media outlets, cracks down on dissidents and brings Europe to the brink of war, some observations on Glenn Greenwald’s very noticeable evasiveness when the subject turns to Russia’s propaganda machine:

Make of it what you will.

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1 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 6:04:03pm

I make of it that Glenn knows his audience, whose thought processes begin and end with “America is bad.”

2 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 6:05:38pm

re: #1 Targetpractice

I make of it that Glenn knows his audience, whose thought processes begin and end with “America is bad.”

The good old “Blame America First Crowd”.

3 Political Atheist  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 6:09:10pm

Self incriminating attitude is self incriminating.

4 DKoch  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 6:12:34pm

To Griftwald, the enemy (Russia) of his enemy (United States) is his friend.

5 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 6:13:16pm

Greenwald is really stuck. He’s appeared many times on Russia Today, and has extensive ties to Wikileaks with all their Russian puppetmasters, and his main cash cow is now under the protection of kindly Mother Russia.

6 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 6:14:50pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Greenwald is really stuck. He’s appeared many times on Russia Today, and has extensive ties to Wikileaks with all their Russian puppetmasters, and his main cash cow is now under the protection of kindly Mother Russia.

Amazing, isn’t it? Between a rock and a hard place…

7 DKoch  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 6:20:09pm

Youtube Video

Hilarious expose of Griftwald as a liar and incompetent.

Before the 2012 election, Griftwald promoted a white collar version of Obama will lose because the polls are skewed.

8 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 6:21:28pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Greenwald is really stuck. He’s appeared many times on Russia Today, and has extensive ties to Wikileaks with all their Russian puppetmasters, and his main cash cow is now under the protection of kindly Mother Russia.

If he had a shred of intellectual honesty, he’d at least voice “concern” or “dismay” at how things are shaping up in Eastern Europe right now. But no, he just won’t touch the subject, because it might make people question if his crusade against the NSA and our entire intelligence apparatus might be hopelessly naive.

After all, when this all started, folks who voiced the argument that our intel services existed to keep watch on America’s enemies were shouted down as “drinking the kool-aid.” Now we have a very real situation where we are at odds with Russia and the same crowd either wants to damn America for past “sins,” wants to accuse us of putting Russia in this situation, or just want to avoid addressing the subject.

9 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 6:22:06pm
10 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 6:26:01pm
11 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 6:27:22pm

re: #10 goddamnedfrank

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More to the point, Russia is much, much, much worse by every imaginable metric.

12 Weet  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 6:28:42pm
13 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 6:31:07pm

re: #12 Weet

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Is that guy being sarcastic or is he just trolling?

14 Weet  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 6:31:18pm

re: #7 DKoch

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Hilarious expose of Griftwald as a liar and incompetent.

Before the 2012 election, Griftwald promoted a white collar version of Obama will lose because the polls are skewed.

Love it! hahahahhah

15 sagehen  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 6:34:42pm

Walking Dead spoiler:

Spoiler

Lizzie is majorly fucked up. Total whackjob.

On second thought, that’s not really a spoiler, is it? Everybody who’s been watching already knows that.

16 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 6:35:05pm

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

Is that guy being sarcastic or is he just trolling?

Major sarc, I think.

Better one earlier - tweet from earlier: “@daveweigel: Looking tight in Crimea. Could come down to crucial Waukesha Oblast.”

17 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 6:35:14pm

re: #12 Weet

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I was just getting around to reading this stuff: Why this week was ‘screaming siren’ for Democrats. Obamacare effect?
Now that Nate’s not doing politics I don’t know how seriously to take any of these predictions.

18 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 6:35:23pm


It’s interesting that the only standard Edward Snowden has ever been asked to meet is what’s good for Edward Snowden. He’s been caught making repeated gross exaggerations and outright false statements of fact. He’s a fugitive from the law and has placed classified US documents within the jurisdiction and probably possession of hostile states. He’s enabled some of the worst and most powerful serial civil rights abusing governments on the planet, but the only thing that seems to matter is his own bottom line.

This whole saga has spawned some of the most cynical, transparently pathetic bullshit imaginable.

19 chadu  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 6:37:28pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Greenwald is really stuck. He’s appeared many times on Russia Today, and has extensive ties to Wikileaks with all their Russian puppetmasters, and his main cash cow is now under the protection of kindly Mother Russia.

I think it’s a combo of this, plus Greenwaldian Pride & Ego (now with xylitol!) which is what is up with Glenn.

20 chadu  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 6:39:38pm

re: #11 goddamnedfrank

More to the point, Russia is much, much, much worse by every imaginable metric.

Not if you unskew the metric, Greenwald-style!

21 Chrysicat  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 6:42:22pm

re: #17 Killgore Trout

I was just getting around to reading this stuff: Why this week was ‘screaming siren’ for Democrats. Obamacare effect?
Now that Nate’s not doing politics I don’t know how seriously to take any of these predictions.

Wait, you didn’t know? Fivethirtyeight really is coming back tomorrow morning!

…though somehow I doubt that he’ll touch on Russian politics; he’ll have enough to worry about with the run-up to our election…

22 simoom  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 6:43:10pm

It’s not even that Greenwald is outright avoiding the topic, but instead that when he does cover it, his focus aligns entirely with his hostility to the West. For example, there was this Greenwald tweet Justanotherhuman posted yesterday:

Or his response to the Abby Martin and Liz Wahl outbursts, which he took as an opportunity to paint RT as less biased & corrupt than its mainstream western competitors.

23 Stanley Sea  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 6:44:21pm

re: #15 sagehen

Walking Dead spoiler:

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On second thought, that’s not really a spoiler, is it? Everybody who’s been watching already knows that.

baby psychopath.

I’m Pacific time, got a couple of hours to go. Doesn’t stop me from reading spoiler. Nope.

24 gwangung  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 6:45:28pm

re: #22 simoom

It’s not even that Greenwald is outright avoiding the topic, but that when he does cover it, his focus aligns entirely with his hostility to the West. For example, there was this Greenwald tweet Justanotherhuman posted yesterday:

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Or his response to the Abby Martin and Liz Wahl outbursts, which he as an took the opportunity to paint RT as less biased & corrupt than its mainstream western competitors.

How could he know? He doesn’t live there, he doesn’t speak the language, he doesn’t know the culture. Even within the same country, white Americans are often baffled by minority culture (see any mainstream assessment of black or Asian culture).

How would he know he isn’t being snowed?

25 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 6:46:16pm

Heads up Gus


Probably not a pic of a child voting. He’s probably dropping in the ballot for his one legged granny.

26 missliberties  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 6:47:10pm

Is Glenn Greenwald

a) a Putinbot?
b) a Vladmir apologist?
c) a cheerleader for the KGB?

Can you hear that sound? GG clapping for Putin.

27 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 6:48:05pm

re: #21 Chrysicat

Wait, you didn’t know? Fivethirtyeight really is coming back tomorrow morning!

…though somehow I doubt that he’ll touch on Russian politics; he’ll have enough to worry about with the run-up to our election…

Are you pulling my leg? I thought he already embarked on his own venture.

28 Chrysicat  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 6:48:37pm

re: #26 missliberties

Is Glenn Greenwald

a) a Putinbot?
b) a Vladmir apologist?
c) a cheerleader for the KGB?

Can you hear that sound? GG clapping for Putin.

I suppose it could be worse…the action-word could start with an ‘f’ instead… and still be posted publicly:-p

29 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 6:50:37pm

re: #26 missliberties

Is Glenn Greenwald

a) a Putinbot?
b) a Vladmir apologist?
c) a cheerleader for the KGB?

Can you hear that sound? GG clapping for Putin.

d) Ron Paul

///

30 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 6:53:41pm

re: #26 missliberties

Is Glenn Greenwald

a) a Putinbot?
b) a Vladmir apologist?
c) a cheerleader for the KGB?

Can you hear that sound? GG clapping for Putin.

I’m going to vote e) Rand Paul (option d was “All of the Above”).

31 missliberties  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 6:55:54pm

I honestly do not get Greenwalds motivation.

It is tragic that he has misled so many people so enthusiastically and that so many have followed him so willingly.

32 DKoch  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 6:55:57pm

re: #17 Killgore Trout

The MSM pulled the same shit in June 2012, when Walker won the recall. For 10 days they screamed Walker winning a blue state by 7 pts meant doooooom for Dems. Then all summer, the MSM kept screaming the Bain ads weren’t working. Then there was Ryan-Mania, where Beltway reporters swooned like teen girls watching the Beetles on Ed Sullivan. Then they all went back to predicting doooooom after the first debate. Then they started attacking math, saying you can’t trust polls, saying predictions should be based on the number of yard signs and crowd noise. If there’s one thing consistent it’s the Beltway is consistently wrong.

33 jaunte  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 6:56:03pm

Oh, just chillin. You?

fromquarkstoquasars.com

34 Lidane  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 6:56:55pm

re: #26 missliberties

Is Glenn Greenwald

a) a Putinbot?
b) a Vladmir apologist?
c) a cheerleader for the KGB?

Can you hear that sound? GG clapping for Putin.

re: #29 Targetpractice

d) Ron Paul

///

e) All of the Above. Also, ZOMG OBAMA DRONEZ! NSA! Bitcoin! Eleventy!

35 chadu  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 6:57:34pm

re: #33 jaunte

(water) BEAR ATTACK!

RUN FOR THE HILLS, BRYAN!

36 Lidane  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 6:57:38pm
37 missliberties  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 6:58:39pm

re: #30 Dark_Falcon

I’m going to vote e) Rand Paul (option d was “All of the Above”).

I do not see Rand Paul as a Putin enthusiast, in the same vein as GG. It is startling the Russian connection to Assange/Snowden which GG has ignored.

38 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 7:00:02pm

re: #37 missliberties

I do not see Rand Paul as a Putin enthusiast, in the same vein as GG. It is startling the Russian connection to Assange/Snowden which GG has ignored.

“Rand Paul” was just an evolution of the “there must be an option to vote for Ron Paul” meme that first started on LGF in 2008.

39 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 7:03:03pm

Q. What’s the difference between Glenn Greenwald (and his groupies like Mona Holland) and the wingnuts on TCOT?

A. TCOT actually believes the bullshit they spew. They are sincere believers, if misguided idiots. Greenwald & co. know what they spew is bullshit, but they spew it anyway because they are sociopaths.

40 missliberties  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 7:03:21pm

re: #25 Killgore Trout

Heads up Gus

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Probably not a pic of a child voting. He’s probably dropping in the ballot for his one legged granny.

Heads up. What just happened in Russia can not be described as an election. That the media represents this as a vote is pathetic.

41 Kid A  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 7:05:33pm

Oklahoma Fox affiliate cuts out fifteen-second mention of evolution in latest Cosmos broadcast; “programming error,” of course. Comments are hilarious; God claims he has evolution working in reverse in Oklahoma.
rawstory.com

42 steve_davis  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 7:07:44pm

re: #33 jaunte

Oh, just chillin. You?

fromquarkstoquasars.com

“Rub my bellaaaaay!”

43 jaunte  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 7:08:20pm

Someone in my (previously unexamined) Twitter notifications thinks talking about Greenwald and Russia is obsessive. Going back to ignoring notifications.

44 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 7:09:03pm

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

“Rand Paul” was just an evolution of the “there must be an option to vote for Ron Paul” meme that first started on LGF in 2008.

It was more an outgrowth of the habit of any internet polls in the lead-up to ‘08 that included Paul amongst the presidential hopefuls falling victim to Paulians stuffing the ballot box. After awhile, Charles just made a joke out of it by including “Ron Paul” at the bottom of any poll.

45 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 7:09:57pm

re: #43 jaunte

Someone in my (previously unexamined) Twitter notifications thinks talking about Greenwald and Russia is obsessive. Going back to ignoring notifications.

Yeah we should just avoid that GG’s guy Snowden went to Russia and criticies US policy while being a visitor of Putin. Sorry GG and co but if you’re going to criticize the US, you can’t ignore that Snowden went to Putinland.

46 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 7:10:28pm

re: #43 jaunte

Someone in my (previously unexamined) Twitter notifications thinks talking about Greenwald and Russia is obsessive. Going back to ignoring notifications.

Let me guess, those are folks whose entire worlds revolve around the “horrors” of the NSA, CIA, and other intel agencies, right?

47 jaunte  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 7:10:32pm

re: #45 HappyWarrior

Just ignore that man behind the curtain.

48 Chrysicat  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 7:10:54pm

re: #41 Kid A

Oklahoma Fox affiliate cuts out fifteen-second mention of evolution in latest Cosmos broadcast; “programming error,” of course. Comments are hilarious; God claims he has evolution working in reverse in Oklahoma.
rawstory.com

How’re they going to deal with this week’s ep, which is all about evolution?

49 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 7:10:58pm

re: #47 jaunte

Just ignore that man behind the curtain.

Is he shirtless?

50 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 7:12:01pm

re: #48 Chrysicat

How’re they going to deal with this week’s ep, which is all about evolution?

“Due to technical malfunctions, this week’s episode cannot be shown.”

51 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 7:12:54pm

re: #43 jaunte

Someone in my (previously unexamined) Twitter notifications thinks talking about Greenwald and Russia is obsessive. Going back to ignoring notifications.

Greenwald’s cultists are all worked up today.

52 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 7:13:37pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

Greenwald’s cultists are all worked up today.

“LEAVE GLENN ALONE!!!”

53 jaunte  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 7:13:43pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

Maybe I aggravated it with the anschluss hashtag.

54 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 7:19:40pm

re: #47 jaunte

Just ignore that man behind the IRON curtain.

55 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 7:38:45pm

So, the plane is still lost, Putin is still a dick, GG is still a narcissistic ass, Snowden is still stuck in Russia, and Obama is still black.

Some things just don’t change.

56 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 7:39:26pm

re: #55 b_sharp

So, the plane is still lost, Putin is still a dick, GG is still a narcissistic ass, Snowden is still stuck in Russia, and Obama is still black.

Some things just don’t change.

Yeah few constants in the world but those.

57 freetoken  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 7:54:21pm

He huffs and he puffs…

58 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:00:04pm

Evening lizards. I’ve accomplished a few things today…did the grocery shopping (had to make a second trip for potatoes), prepared Irish stew for tomorrow, and recorded 2 more records into mp3s. Did WWIII start while I was gone?

59 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:03:02pm

re: #58 NJDhockeyfan

Evening lizards. I’ve accomplished a few things today…did the grocery shopping (had to make a second trip for potatoes), prepared Irish stew for tomorrow, and recorded 2 more records into mp3s. Did WWIII start while I was gone?

You didn’t take a list?

WWIII is still simmering.

60 Chrysicat  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:04:14pm

Have I ever mentioned how pissed I am that Trudeau is picking THIS moment to be working on a TV series that can’t air again for 7 months rather than documenting the most important events in a quarter-century in Doonesbury?

61 Mattand  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:07:08pm

First off: Tonight’s Walking Dead. Wow.

Second: Has Greenwald ever acknowledged Putin’s turning Russia into a homophobe’s wet dream?

62 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:07:23pm

re: #59 b_sharp

You didn’t take a list?

WWIII is still simmering.

I got everything on the list. My wife made mashed taters and only left me one for the Irish stew. I needed red ones anyway. I think it was done on purpose so I would bring home a chocolate cake.

63 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:08:06pm

re: #62 NJDhockeyfan

I got everything on the list. My wife made mashed taters and only left me one for the Irish stew. I needed red ones anyway. I think it was done on purpose so I would bring home a chocolate cake.

Your wife is smarter than you.

64 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:09:50pm

re: #53 jaunte

Maybe I aggravated it with the anschluss hashtag.

If they want to be fans of someone who is acting like Hitler, then they can deal with the Nazi analogies.

65 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:09:55pm

re: #61 Mattand

First off: Tonight’s Walking Dead. Wow.

Second: Has Greenwald ever acknowledged Putin’s turning Russia into a homophobe’s wet dream?

Not at all to my knowledge. Really need to get into WD by the way too. That’s gonna be my next project. Shameless is my current 9:00 Sunday winter TV show. That was good too.

66 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:22:23pm

re: #60 Chrysicat

Have I ever mentioned how pissed I am that Trudeau is picking THIS moment to be working on a TV series that can’t air again for 7 months rather than documenting the most important events in a quarter-century in Doonesbury?

What most important events in a quarter century?

67 Chrysicat  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:23:51pm

re: #66 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

What most important events in a quarter century?

Oh, come on. You may not be cheerleading for WWIII like I am, but even you have to admit the return of Greater Russia and a new Cold War is worth documenting. And it’s been 25 years since it ended.

68 freetoken  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:25:24pm

re: #66 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

What most important events in a quarter century?

Well, probably not the premier of Season 18 of DWTS.

Even with those big changes:

Dancing with the Stars: 9 Changes to Expect from Season 18

69 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:25:56pm

Frankly, the shit going on in the Ukraine is likely to pale beside the consequences of AGW/CC.

70 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:26:07pm

re: #63 b_sharp

Your wife is smarter than you.

She’s had a rough weekend. Friday she found out her sister had a major heart attack and stroke. This morning she had another heart attack and died. A chocolate cake is the least I can do for her.

71 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:27:04pm

re: #67 Chrysicat

Oh, come on. You may not be cheerleading for WWIII like I am, but even you have to admit the return of Greater Russia and a new Cold War is worth documenting. And it’s been 25 years since it ended.

It’s not the most important event in the past quarter century, no. And it’s hardly, like, a switch got flipped. Russia’s been being a nationalistic weird-fuck for awhile now. It’s also a little early to call a return of Greater Russia, too.

I mean, you realize the last quarter century includes 9/11, the invasion of Iraq, the Arab Spring, the financial meltdown, etc. etc., right?

72 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:28:03pm

re: #70 NJDhockeyfan

She’s had a rough weekend. Friday she found out her sister had a major heart attack and stroke. This morning she had another heart attack and died. A chocolate cake is the least I can do for her.

Oh, no.
I’m so sorry NJD.

{{{ Mrs. NJDhockeyfan }}}

73 Floral Giraffe  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:31:07pm

re: #70 NJDhockeyfan

Give yourself & her many {{{HUGS}}}

74 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:32:17pm

re: #70 NJDhockeyfan

She’s had a rough weekend. Friday she found out her sister had a major heart attack and stroke. This morning she had another heart attack and died. A chocolate cake is the least I can do for her.

Sorry to hear about your wife’s sister. That really is a shame. Thoughts for your family.

75 freetoken  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:32:37pm

re: #69 b_sharp

Frankly, the shit going on in the Ukraine is likely to pale beside the consequences of AGW/CC.

I’ve been reading the latest doomer article at the Guardian that has the usual parties in a stir, but even peering through my dark views of the future I still can’t arrive at the proposals offered by the Guardian to avert disaster.

IOW, instead of a real analysis of the scientific paper what we get is the usual propaganda. Trying to force every possible bit of research or data into one’s mold just doesn’t work. Sort of like using a cookie cutter on a fried egg to make sure they’re all the same size and shape.

76 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:32:45pm

re: #69 b_sharp

Frankly, the shit going on in the Ukraine is likely to pale beside the consequences of AGW/CC.

Yeah, but gradual changes don’t draw the eye as well as tanks on the move.

77 Chrysicat  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:33:29pm

re: #75 freetoken

I’ve been reading the latest doomer article at the Guardian that has the usual parties in a stir, but even peering through my dark views of the future I still can’t arrive at the proposals offered by the Guardian to avert disaster.

IOW, instead of a real analysis of the scientific paper what we get is the usual propaganda. Trying to force every possible bit of research or data into one’s mold just doesn’t work. Sort of like using a cookie cutter on a fried egg to make sure they’re all the same size and shape.

Latest article, you say? Got linkage so I don’t have to dive through 1000 pages or more?

78 Lidane  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:33:33pm

So I just finished tonight’s episode of The Walking Dead.

OH MY GOD. That is all. I can’t process any of this. Wow.

79 Teukka  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:34:27pm

re: #69 b_sharp

Frankly, the shit going on in the Ukraine is likely to pale beside the consequences of AGW/CC.

Agreed.

80 freetoken  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:34:54pm

re: #77 Chrysicat

I was going to write about it later, but since you inquired:

Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for ‘irreversible collapse’?

There’s so many things wrong with that article that I’d have to take pages to put them all down.

81 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:35:37pm

Youtube Video
Little night music for yall. Really enjoy these guys and was real pleasantly surprised to see this covered on American Idol the other night.

82 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:35:47pm

Thanks for the support! I’m worried about her kids. She has 2 still at home, one in college and one in China who is trying to get an emergency visa.

83 freetoken  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:36:20pm

The actual paper is not published yet, but here is the lead on the paper:

Safa Motesharrei

84 Chrysicat  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:38:33pm

re: #80 freetoken

So without even the abstract publicly available…is the Grauniad saying that we need to return to a seventeenth- or eighteenth-century lifestyle in order to preserve the planet for (sort of) functional use by humanity?!?

85 Gus  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:39:45pm

re: #80 freetoken

I was going to write about it later, but since you inquired:

Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for ‘irreversible collapse’?

There’s so many things wrong with that article that I’d have to take pages to put them all down.

We can start with that it’s not funded by NASA but the NSF.

86 darthstar  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:39:51pm

GG’s just protecting his investment, Edward Snowden, who is still only available at Putin’s pleasure.

87 AntonSirius  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:40:04pm

re: #33 jaunte

Oh, just chillin. You?

fromquarkstoquasars.com

I wonder if a description of a tardigrade helped inspire Lovecraft’s Elder Things.

88 Gus  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:44:27pm

re: #80 freetoken

I was going to write about it later, but since you inquired:

Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for ‘irreversible collapse’?

There’s so many things wrong with that article that I’d have to take pages to put them all down.

Here’s the paper: A Minimal Model for Human and Nature Interaction

It’s a PDF.

Eugenia Kalnay worked on it and she was once with NASA Goddard which might explain the confusion.

Prior to her coming to UMD, Eugenia Kalnay was Branch Head at NASA Goddard, and later the Director of the Environmental Modeling Center (EMC, ex Development Division) of the National Centers for Environmental Prediction (NCEP, ex NMC), National Weather Service (NWS) from 1987 to 1997. During those ten years there were major improvements in the NWS models’ forecast skill. Many successful projects such as the 60+years NCEP/NCAR Reanalysis (the paper on this Reanalysis has been cited over 10,000 times), seasonal and interannual dynamical predictions, the first operational ensemble forecasting, 3-D and 4-D variational data assimilation, advanced quality control, and coastal ocean forecasting. EMC became a pioneer in both the fundamental science and the practical applications of numerical weather prediction.

89 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:45:40pm

re: #70 NJDhockeyfan

She’s had a rough weekend. Friday she found out her sister had a major heart attack and stroke. This morning she had another heart attack and died. A chocolate cake is the least I can do for her.

I’m sorry to hear that. But at least your wife has you there to support her.

90 TedStriker  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:46:00pm

re: #70 NJDhockeyfan

She’s had a rough weekend. Friday she found out her sister had a major heart attack and stroke. This morning she had another heart attack and died. A chocolate cake is the least I can do for her.

re: #82 NJDhockeyfan

Thanks for the support! I’m worried about her kids. She has 2 still at home, one in college and one in China who is trying to get an emergency visa.

Shit, man…condolences to y’all.

91 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:47:06pm

re: #70 NJDhockeyfan

She’s had a rough weekend. Friday she found out her sister had a major heart attack and stroke. This morning she had another heart attack and died. A chocolate cake is the least I can do for her.

Sorry to hear that.

92 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:47:27pm

So I haven’t read through all the comments yet, but I’m just curious: what is Snowden really getting out of this? He is basically a pariah, will never hold another job, probably can’t get at any funds. He’s in a gilded cage. Even self-aggrandizement will only mean so much in the long run if he can’t cash in.

How’s that supposed to work?

93 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:48:20pm

How does this idiot still get in the news?


94 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:48:44pm

re: #88 Gus

I was just checking out 20 committee which you mentioned on your twitter feed. It’s nice to see some serious thoughts on foreign policy. Cool blog, bookmarked for further reading.

95 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:49:51pm

re: #93 NJDhockeyfan

How does this idiot still get in the news?

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He appeals to disaffected British Muslims and emoprogs.

96 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:49:53pm

re: #93 NJDhockeyfan

How does this idiot still get in the news?

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Galloway has never met an anti-western dictatorship he hasn’t liked. He’s making strange bedfellows though here given that a lot of RWNJs also are taking Putin’s side. Galloway for the record may be the only human being who is not Russian that favored the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan but opposed ours in 2001.

97 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:51:24pm

re: #95 Dark_Falcon

He appeals to disaffected British Muslims and emoprogs.

Speaking of him, his debate with Hitchens some years back was my intro to Mr. Hitchens. Even though, I was and still am opposed to the invasion of Iraq, I took Hitchens side in that debate. There’s being anti what I felt was a foreign policy miscue and then there’s being an apologist for a murderous regime which is what Galloway played the part of.

98 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:56:29pm

re: #84 Chrysicat

So without even the abstract publicly available…is the Grauniad saying that we need to return to a seventeenth- or eighteenth-century lifestyle in order to preserve the planet for (sort of) functional use by humanity?!?

Not likely. The only thing that can promote our adaptation is technology now. I’m more worried about fauna diversity which will affect us too.

99 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:02:20pm

I’ve got the replay of the ACC championship on. I missed the game earlier. How about those Hoos?

100 Gus  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:09:07pm

Lavrov-Clinton-Kerry (2009 and 2014)

101 Aqua Obama  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:19:42pm

I think it’s safe to say Bryan Fischer loves big, fat, hairy Russian bears.

102 Gus  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:24:38pm
103 Gus  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:24:44pm

30

104 Gus  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:24:55pm

Million.

Square.

Miles.

105 Kragar  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:26:51pm

re: #104 Gus

Million.

Square.

Miles.

But a plane is so big! You can’t just lose it!
/

106 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:27:05pm

re: #102 Gus

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Answers might be slow coming? You don’t say.

107 Gus  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:29:13pm

re: #105 Kragar

But a plane is so big! You can’t just lose it!
/

108 klys  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:30:14pm

re: #107 Gus

Dude, I want moon tugboats, not moon airplanes.

109 Gus  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:30:49pm
110 Gus  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:32:48pm

re: #108 klys

Dude, I want moon tugboats, not moon airplanes.

It’s off Jacksonville now. Stopped there and did a small loop.

111 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:32:58pm

Assholes


112 klys  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:33:17pm

re: #110 Gus

It’s off Jacksonville now. Stopped there and did a small loop.

That wasn’t a loop, that was hooking the chains so they can take FL with them.

///

113 Kragar  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:34:31pm

re: #112 klys

That wasn’t a loop, that was hooking the chains so they can take FL with them.

///

Oh, sure, now they try and suck up to us.

114 klys  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:35:07pm

re: #113 Kragar

Oh, sure, now they try and suck up to us.

On the other hand, we’re fucked if FL decides to Stand Its Ground.

115 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:35:21pm

re: #112 klys

That wasn’t a loop, that was hooking the chains so they can take FL with them.

///

That plan was blocked by the sugar cane growers.

//

116 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:36:46pm

True story: I listened recently to Michael Skolnik talk about how much work it took to put the names of black children in front of the media (he was at the forefront of the Trayvon Martin coverage), and I was inspired. Then I see the coverage of this plane crash, and it is so depressing. Endless, useless speculation. I wonder if journalism can be saved from the cable yahoos.

117 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:36:53pm

re: #107 Gus

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A 1960s British police call box was also spotted in the same photo.

//

118 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:37:01pm
119 Gus  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:38:15pm

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

That plan was blocked by the sugar cane growers.

//

Al Franken?

//

120 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:39:29pm

re: #117 Targetpractice

A 1960s British police call box was also spotted in the same photo.

//

They’d explain a lot: The pilot of MH370 is a Time Lord.

121 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:40:01pm

re: #119 Gus

Al Franken?

//

Newt Gingrich.

122 Gus  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:40:41pm

re: #121 Dark_Falcon

Newt Gingrich.

With an incandescent light bulb.

123 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:41:42pm
124 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:42:39pm

re: #123 NJDhockeyfan

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CNN these days is related to news like MTV is related to music.

125 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:42:48pm

re: #122 Gus

With an incandescent light bulb.

In the Game Room?

126 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:43:53pm

re: #123 NJDhockeyfan

see my above. so depressing.

127 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:47:04pm
128 Gus  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:47:12pm
129 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:47:40pm

Heh


130 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:47:54pm

re: #125 Dark_Falcon

In the Game Room?

Or was it the Library?

131 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:49:49pm

re: #128 Gus

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New Moderate Leadership!

132 Gus  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:51:42pm
133 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:52:41pm

Good walking dead episode tonight. When the writers take a break from their tired overused plot crutches the show is quite suspenseful.

134 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:55:47pm

re: #132 Gus

good luck with that.

135 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:55:57pm

re: #132 Gus

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136 Gus  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:56:00pm

False alarm! //

137 Chrysicat  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:57:10pm
138 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 9:57:38pm
139 Chrysicat  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 10:00:02pm
140 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 10:01:18pm
141 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 10:02:07pm

re: #138 NJDhockeyfan

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142 Kragar  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 10:05:08pm

re: #132 Gus

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Tell them that they have to take Palin and watch how fast they drop that idea.

143 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 10:08:01pm

re: #142 Kragar

Tell them that they have to take Palin and watch how fast they drop that idea.

For all you know Putin may WANT Palin.

/

144 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 10:09:14pm
145 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 10:11:06pm

Yikes!


147 Kragar  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 10:19:26pm

Why sue when all they need is the Great Seal of Alaska?

Cobra After-Action Report: The Great Alaskan Land Grab (part one)

Tomax and Xamot, with the resources of a major corporation that apparently includes the most retarded legal department since Enron, have set their sights on Alaska. That’s a good start. Alaska is a remote state, making it more vulnerable than the Continental United States to military attack. It’s also sparsely populated, meaning the civilian population can be easily suppressed by a few shows of strength and a handful of public executions. Most importantly, Alaska is rich in natural resources. Billions of dollars in oil and minerals await exploitation by Cobra.

A worthy objective does not mean Cobra will rely on an intelligent plan. To the contrary, the scheme devised by Tomax and Xamot is, as I mentioned, possibly the dumbest yet to come out of the Cobra brain trust. They plan to steal a copy of the Seward treaty from a GI Joe convoy, simply to confirm that there is a section of the treaty that stipulates that the person who owns the Great Seal of Alaska (a gem-encrusted cup) owns the state. It turns out Tomax and Xamot know a Russian immigrant and used car salesman named Georgi who happens to own a bedazzled cup. With Georgi’s fake cup, Cobra can seize Alaska.

Now, you may be wondering, “Why steal the treaty just to read it?” or “Why involve Georgi if his cup isn’t even the real cup?”, but I implore you to forget those questions, because there are far dumber things afoot. Namely, why would Tomax and Xamot assume that a forgotten legal loophole would allow a world-renowned terrorist organization to seize Alaska totally unopposed by the global community? I have a feeling even Canada would be up in arms if Al Qaeda found a deed to Florida in a locker somewhere and set up beheading shop in the Magic Kingdom.

Of course, thanks to the bumbling of GI Joe and the governments of the world, Tomax and Xamot’s plan may just succeed.

148 Chrysicat  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 10:21:01pm

re: #146 NJDhockeyfan

Jet Li’s body double Ju Kun on missing Malaysia Airlines flight

Major downer there. Then again, there’s hardly a flight that wouldn’t contain ANYONE significant these days.

149 Lidane  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 10:21:44pm

re: #102 Gus

Repost from downstairs. You know this is inevitable:


150 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 10:23:56pm

Is it possible the plane could have gone straight to the bottom of the sea without leaving any wreckage floating on the water or are there enough buoyant items that not leaving a debris field would be virtually impossible?

151 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 10:28:06pm

Good night lizards.


152 Gus  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 10:34:45pm

re: #150 Eclectic Cyborg

Is it possible the plane could have gone straight to the bottom of the sea without leaving any wreckage floating on the water or are there enough buoyant items that not leaving a debris field would be virtually impossible?

Can’t see how.

153 DKoch  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 10:37:18pm

re: #151 NJDhockeyfan

Shanghai 1990 vs 2010


That’s what happens when America closes it’s domestic manufacturing plants and ships them to China.

154 Single-handed sailor  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 10:37:59pm

The problem I have with the plane landing is where are you going to find a discreet 8000 foot runway.

155 DKoch  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 10:45:53pm

re: #100 Gus

Hillary really aged in that 2nd photo. She’s starting to look like John Kerry.

156 Chrysicat  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 10:46:28pm

re: #153 DKoch

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Shanghai 1990 vs 2010

That’s what happens when America closes it’s domestic manufacturing plants and ships them to China.

If that’s true, then what happens to THEM when it becomes cheaper for robots to build everything and thus all the manufacturing but not the jobs come back here?

157 Gus  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 10:53:19pm

re: #154 Single-handed sailor

The problem I have with the plane landing is where are you going to find a discreet 8000 foot runway.

And the Pashtun got a bunch of heavy equipment including mechanical soil tampers to harden the dirt surface. Then they got 1000s of yards of camouflage material to cover the 777 or build a giant hangar to hide it under. Then they’ll need the necessary maintenance equipment for a turn around including 45,220 gallons of jet fuel. Add bonus of taking off in a fully fueled 777-200ER on a crappy Taliban made dirt runway. Also disposing of the 239 dead bodies. Also hiding all the above activity. With added bonus of rocky, sand, hilly and mountainous terrain. Forgot about powering the damn thing up and recharging the batteries and stuff. Ayep.

158 Gus  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 10:56:00pm

If they wanted to do a traditional terrorist act like say, 9/11, they could have easily done it right when they were flying around Kuala Lumpur.

159 Gus  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 10:56:44pm

If it was against the Malaysian government why do so with a plane load of Chinese?

160 Gus  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 10:57:45pm

Doesn’t make sense.

161 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 10:58:41pm

re: #153 DKoch

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Shanghai 1990 vs 2010

That’s what happens when America closes it’s domestic manufacturing plants and ships them to China.

The Pudong district, which is that part with all the tall skyscrapers where grass used to be, is the international financial district of Shanghai. You’ve got a lot of multinationals there, foreign trade firms, banks, etc. They’re there because China has a crapload of money by being the world’s factory.

162 Gus  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 11:01:45pm

It would be like the 9/11 hijackers flying away from NYC off to the Atlantic Ocean. “See ya!”

163 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 11:02:19pm

re: #150 Eclectic Cyborg

Is it possible the plane could have gone straight to the bottom of the sea without leaving any wreckage floating on the water or are there enough buoyant items that not leaving a debris field would be virtually impossible?

Possible. The pilot would have to do a perfect water landing. Not sure if the 777 requires the pilot to shut off the air intake vents to prevent flooding, but the plane Capt. Sullenberger landed in the Hudson required him to do this immediately prior to hitting the water. Without that lever pulled the plane would rapidly fill with water and sink, possibly before any of the passengers or flight attendants were able to open the doors and release a raft.

In this scenario the black boxes would still ping. Don’t know the strength of that signal but I’m guessing the plane would have to sink into a very, very deep subsea trench for it to remain undetected this long.

164 Kragar  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 11:03:03pm

Wyoming GOP lawmaker: Promiscuous gays weaponizing AIDS for a ‘national suicide’

A newly apportioned state Republican representative in Wyoming is standing by claims he made at the height of the AIDS panic in a book entitled The Death Sentence of AIDS: Vital Information For You and Your Family’s Health and Safety.

Among the more outlandish claims in the book, which was self-published by Rep. Troy Mader (R-Gillette) in 1984, are that “[h]omosexuals…purposely infected women to pass AIDS infection into the straight population,” and that “[m]any homosexuals demand the right to have sexual acts with children of any age, including infants.”

In an interview with The Star-Tribune, Rep. Mader said that while some of the research in the book was “a little outdated,” that’s only because AIDS was still poorly understood by the medical community at the time.

However, excerpts from the book published by The Star-Tribune do not concern science so much as the existence of a vast homosexual conspiracy designed to force America to commit “national suicide” via promiscuity.

165 Gus  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 11:03:09pm

So he’s pissed off at Malaysia and take off with a plane load of Chinese? Huh?

166 Gus  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 11:04:02pm

He could of easily just augured into a target in Kuala Lumpur.

167 Kragar  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 11:05:21pm


Yeah, the way to win back CA is to back the Tea Party.

Please proceed.

Fucking morons.

168 Gus  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 11:09:12pm

“I’m pissed off at Malaysia! Take that, China!”

169 Chrysicat  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 11:12:12pm

O/T since this seems to be the overnight thread:

Anyone see a reason I want to resubmit this before the deadline, or should I stick with it?
Image: 6o8hZ9n7X6nufFHouQaPGYnDU4gqr.jpg

170 Kragar  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 11:13:40pm

re: #169 Chrysicat

O/T since this seems to be the overnight thread:

Anyone see a reason I want to resubmit this before the deadline, or should I stick with it?
Image: 6o8hZ9n7X6nufFHouQaPGYnDU4gqr.jpg

I’ve got nothing.

171 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 11:17:56pm

re: #169 Chrysicat

O/T since this seems to be the overnight thread:

Anyone see a reason I want to resubmit this before the deadline, or should I stick with it?
Image: 6o8hZ9n7X6nufFHouQaPGYnDU4gqr.jpg

You have nothing for the Kentucky-Kansas St. result

172 Gus  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 11:18:28pm

His support of Anwar Ibrahim, recent marriage break-up and a “radical” t-shirt just isn’t enough evidence.

173 DKoch  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 11:19:39pm

re: #136 Gus

False alarm! //

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Ioffe really is an ass. Last august the self proclaimed Kremlin “expert” defended Putin, saying he was powerless in the Snowden situation, adding, “[the US] really overestimates Putin’s abilities”. Then two weeks ago, she once again defended Putin, blaming Crimea’s occupation on Obama for not bombing Syria.

174 Chrysicat  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 11:20:35pm

re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fixed after the pic was taken but before I showed it here. Went with Kentucky.

175 Gus  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 11:21:51pm

re: #173 DKoch

Ioffe really is an ass. Last august the self proclaimed Kremlin “expert” defended Putin, saying he was powerless in the Snowden situation, adding, “[the US] really overestimates Putin’s abilities”. Then two weeks ago, she once again defended Putin, blaming Crimea’s occupation on Obama for not bombing Syria.

Yeah, I remember that from last year. Kind of an odd one there.

176 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 11:53:40pm

re: #149 Lidane

Repost from downstairs. You know this is inevitable:

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Hannity and Guest Try to Blame Obama for Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370

177 Gus  Sun, Mar 16, 2014 11:55:33pm

I hope MH370 was just an accident.

178 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 12:01:18am

Ugh, idiot commentators who support the vote in Crimea as being legit.
I gotta stop reading Raw Story.

179 Gus  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 12:02:59am
180 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 12:05:17am

Also, wtf is with all this snow?!?!?

181 Gus  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 12:07:11am

re: #180 Varek Raith

Also, wtf is with all this snow?!?!?

Polar vortex!

182 Gus  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 12:07:50am

Sleepy time. Good night.

183 Chrysicat  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 12:20:04am

re: #177 Gus

There’s literally no way it was just an accident. And I’m actually happier about that; it keeps the 777’s perfect record for non-pilot-related safety.

The only question is who hijacked it and what the intent was.

And I pray that it really is on the bottom of the Indian Ocean, because there’s only one alternative. It’s the one you dismissed like any sane person, but it’s still the Sherlockian alternative if the plane isn’t in the drink.

184 Aqua Obama  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 12:51:28am

This one’s for Shiplord Kirel:

Texas threatened to arrest OSCE election observers who strayed too close to polling stations

The Attorney General of Texas… and Putin, partners in democracy.

185 jonhendry  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 1:42:40am

re: #157 Gus

And the Pashtun got a bunch of heavy equipment including mechanical soil tampers to harden the dirt surface. Then they got 1000s of yards of camouflage material to cover the 777 or build a giant hangar to hide it under. Then they’ll need the necessary maintenance equipment for a turn around including 45,220 gallons of jet fuel. Add bonus of taking off in a fully fueled 777-200ER on a crappy Taliban made dirt runway. Also disposing of the 239 dead bodies. Also hiding all the above activity. With added bonus of rocky, sand, hilly and mountainous terrain. Forgot about powering the damn thing up and recharging the batteries and stuff. Ayep.

I don’t see how they could possibly get to Pashtun territory (or Pakistan in general) without showing up on US military radar in Afghanistan, or Indian radar which would be alert for funny business from Pakistan.

James Fallows posted an interactive map showing potential (and known to exist) landing sites with appropriate length.

186 jonhendry  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 1:43:58am

re: #93 NJDhockeyfan

How does this idiot still get in the news?

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That’s not news, it’s RT.

187 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 2:20:32am

DoD Statement on Boarding of Commercial Tanker Morning Glory

“Pentagon Press Secretary Rear Adm. John Kirby provided the following statement:

“No one was hurt tonight when U.S. forces, at the request of both the Libyan and Cypriot governments, boarded and took control of the commercial tanker Morning Glory, a stateless vessel seized earlier this month by three armed Libyans.

“The boarding operation, approved by President Obama and conducted just after 10 p.m. EDT on March 16 in international waters southeast of Cypress, was executed by a team of U.S. Navy SEALs attached to Special Operations Command Europe.” More

defense.gov

188 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 2:22:25am

Maxim Eristavi ‏@MaximEristavi 6m

Crimea nationalizes all Ukrainian state property, renames its parliament from Ukrainian ‘Rada’ to Russian ‘Duma’ - PM Aksyonov


189 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 2:25:17am

Yes, yes, Lil Kim would be very, very, proud!


190 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 2:33:41am

I’m so annoyed this morning.
Sigh.

191 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 2:35:41am

Note: Interfax is run by the Russian govt, also, although they deny it. Even though it’s allegedly independent of the govt, it was established as an offshoot of Radio Moscow in 1989.

Ukrainian political crisis
3m
Ukrainian military units in the region will be disbanded, Crimean parliament head says - Interfax via @Reuters
end of alert

192 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 2:37:37am

Russia is even fucking with the clocks in Crimea.


193 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 2:41:22am

Well, I suppose the “Krasnodar” could be classified as garbage…

Nuclear submarine on fire

BREAKING: Nuclear powered submarine “Krasnodar” allegedly on fire during decommissioning work at the naval yard Nerpa north of Murmansk Monday morning. The submarine is the sistership of “Kursk” of the Oscar-II class and has two nuclear reactors.

barentsobserver.com

194 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 2:56:54am

To preen and gloat, no doubt.

President Putin will address a joint session of Russia’s parliament about Crimea on Tuesday - @itartassnews_en, @Reuters

end of alert

195 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 2:59:10am
196 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 3:11:05am
197 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 3:13:14am
198 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 3:25:15am
After an election campaign rally in Izmir last night, Erdogan held a surprising meeting with Mustafa Cemil Kirimioglu, a Ukrainian member of Parliament and former speaker of the Crimean Tatar National Assembly. Stressing that Turkey would not unilaterally intervene in the crisis in Ukraine, Erdogan told Kirimioglu that he spoke about the matter with Russian President Vladimir Putin, saying Ankara would stand by and do everything to protect Crimean Tatars.

“With the Western world, Turkey wants the territorial integrity of Ukraine to be preserved. If NATO makes a decision on this matter, Turkey will certainly abide by it,” Erdogan said.

hurriyetdailynews.com

199 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 3:37:53am

Euromaidan PR ‏@EuromaidanPR 2m

Tenyukh: the whole world is with us. We hope for peaceful diplomatic resolution of the crisis. end of presser #Crimea

But they will be alert and try to be prepared, although how much is possible against a Russian onslaught is questionable. This could get very ugly if Russia tries to take over Eastern Ukraine.


200 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 3:51:18am

You have to launder money some way, after all, and why not use your friends to do it and reward them a little bit at the same time?

Getting to the bottom of Yanukovych’s real estate empire (part 1 - residential property)

kyivpost.com

201 Aqua Obama  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 4:21:03am

Russia calls on Ukraine to be a federal state

Winning hearts and minds, one day at a time

202 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 4:25:03am

re: #156 Chrysicat

If that’s true, then what happens to THEM when it becomes cheaper for robots to build everything and thus all the manufacturing but not the jobs come back here?

NOT A SINGLE UNION MEMBER!!!!

Yep. Not a single customer either.

203 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 4:36:36am

re: #201 Aqua Obama

Russia calls on Ukraine to be a federal state

Winning hearts and minds, one day at a time

Not surprising. At all. Being part of the Russian Federation gives Crimea all that “gravitas”, doncha know, and Russia the rationale to take on the rest of Ukraine.



This doesn’t bode well for other former soviets. Russia is thumbing its nose at the West.

204 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 4:37:07am

re: #201 Aqua Obama

Russia calls on Ukraine to be a federal state

Winning hearts and minds, one day at a time

From the article:

The [Russian] foreign ministry said the proposals are part of its efforts to ease the tensions in Ukraine by diplomatic means.

Hahahahah…..more like its proposals are part of its efforts to ensure that Ukraine remains within Russia’s tentacles.

Fuck the Russians.

205 Aqua Obama  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 4:43:25am

Next time you hear someone trying to defend the Crimean “referendum”, remember that in Russia, independent election monitors are considered foreign agents and subject to jail time.

206 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 4:48:12am

So last night I watched about 40 minutes of “12 Years A Slave.” I’ve read the book, so I knew what was coming, but still it is very harrowing to watch.

207 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 4:51:17am

Did they have meth in the 1840’s? Because that slave owner played by Fassbender sure seemed like he was a crank head.

208 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 4:54:11am

Can’t verify the source of this, because the Ukraine news site won’t allow me to translate.


209 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 4:54:43am

re: #207 Pie-onist Overlord

Moonshine often has methanol.

210 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 4:56:34am

Yikes.

China backs North Korea on human rights

bbc.com

“China has dismissed a UN report that compared human rights abuses in North Korea to those in Nazi Germany.

“A Chinese diplomat said the report lacked credibility, adding to fears that Beijing will block further action. He said some of the recommendations were divorced from reality.

“North Korea called the report - which details murder, torture and starvation - a fabrication by hostile forces. “

211 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 4:57:41am

re: #209 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Moonshine often has methanol.

According to the book, Epps was an alcoholic. But he liked to make his slaves dance all night and then go out into the fields at the crack of dawn, and he could stay awake for days at a time. People on meth can do that but drunks crash.

212 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 4:58:25am

re: #208 Justanotherhuman

Can’t verify the source of this, because the Ukraine news site won’t allow me to translate.

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Here’s a GoogleTranslate. The source seems to be UNN (Ukrainian National News):

KIEV. March 17. UNN. Russian troops continue to threaten arms and put psychological pressure not only on the border , but also on their families. This UNN to the press service of the State Border Service .

Yesterday, the border guards department “Black “, ” Evpatoria” and “Sevastopol” who refused to swear allegiance to the so-called ” new government ” has delivered an ultimatum to their eviction from their families together with service apartments. Aggressor can afford to spend and atrocities against women and children.


This is not the first time such behavior. As previously reported , on International Women’s Day aggressive Russian troops storm the department took Border Service ” Shcholkine .” Armed commandos rushed to the border unit at night. During the attack they beat senior border changes warrant and entered the apartment where the family reside border . Gunpoint , they ordered all within 10 minutes to gather belongings and leave the department.

In just the past week the so-called Russian ” peacekeepers ” forcibly evicted from apartments departmental guards 11 and 19 family members, including 9 children.

Under conditions of extremely complex situation, being exposed daily moral and psychological pressure, intimidation , threats by Russian security forces Ukrainian border guards refused to obey unrecognized Crimean authorities and remain faithful to the oath and Ukrainian people.

As reported UNN Crimean parliament declared the results of the “referendum” , declared the region independent sovereign state and nationalized all property belonging to the Ukrainian state.
Source: UNN
Tags : events in Crimea

Link to original: unn.com.ua

213 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 5:01:03am

re: #211 Pie-onist Overlord

That hideous beast Amon Goeth could do the same, and he was an alcoholic. Some people got the devil in them.

214 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 5:03:17am

re: #213 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

That hideous beast Amon Goeth could do the same, and he was an alcoholic. Some people got the devil in them.

The most I’ve ever done is 72 hours straight, but we’re talking oceans of coffee and chain-smoking to do it.

215 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 5:03:21am

re: #213 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

That hideous beast Amon Goeth could do the same, and he was an alcoholic. Some people got the devil in them.

There were scenes in “12 Years” that paralleled “Schindler’s List” but all these scenes were straight out of the book.

216 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 5:03:32am

re: #212 Dr Lizardo

Here’s a GoogleTranslate. The source seems to be UNN (Ukrainian National News):

Thanks. Have had no problem previously translating anything. Got some kind of message on the site and couldn’t translate that, either, so I was denied something. : )

217 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 5:06:36am

Who wants to haul away some snow?
I’ve got tons of the crap.
Giving it away for two easy payments of free.
ACT NOW!

218 Aqua Obama  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 5:10:36am

re: #212 Dr Lizardo

Here’s a GoogleTranslate. The source seems to be UNN (Ukrainian National News):

Weakening the morale of the Ukrainian Military in Crimea by threatening their families and children? How utterly Churchillian.

219 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 5:10:38am

“All violators were detained by Moscow police.” Huh? Probably given “Heroes of the Russian Federation” medals later.


220 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 5:18:44am
221 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 5:19:26am

Wake up, ya’ omadauns.

Youtube Video

222 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 5:19:38am

re: #212 Dr Lizardo

Also found the English site, with this notice, but it’s old news; I suppose you have to register:

“According to the Articles 26 of the Law of Ukraine “About the information agencies”, the title for product information agency is guarded by the current legislation of Ukraine. Any other copying of certain parts of texts or images, publish or republishing , reprint or any other dissemination of the UNN is possible with reference to the UNN. For online publications hyperlink is obligatory. Responsibility for failure to comply with statutory requirements concerning the content of advertisements on the site is an advertiser.”

unn.com.ua

223 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 5:23:10am

Doesn’t this guy know he’s getting too old for this shit? And he could afford a driver, no doubt.


224 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 5:23:44am

Zedushka learned that his grandmother was Irish. She was an Irish anchor baby. What happened is that the family wanted to emigrate to America from Russia but couldn’t afford the steamship ticket to America. All they could afford was a ticket to Ireland so that’s where the family had to leave the ship.

His grandmother was born in Belfast and the family lived there until they scraped together enough money for a ticket to Palestine. Then she married Zedushka’s grandfather and they emigrated to America about 1913.

225 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 5:26:15am

Worse than Floriduh!


226 darthstar  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 5:28:08am

Mornin’ everyone…time to take down the hanging plants again…or let them take themselves down later.


227 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 5:29:48am

re: #224 Pie-onist Overlord

Zedushka learned that his grandmother was Irish. She was an Irish anchor baby. What happened is that the family wanted to emigrate to America from Russia but couldn’t afford the steamship ticket to America. All they could afford was a ticket to Ireland so that’s where the family had to leave the ship.

His grandmother was born in Belfast and the family lived there until they scraped together enough money for a ticket to Palestine. Then she married Zedushka’s grandfather and they emigrated to America about 1913.

We threw the office St Patrick’s party in Ra’anana, complete with a celtic crossword (all answers up and down were ‘potato’). The prize was a potato, as was the prize for the Hebrew/English limerick contest.

228 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 5:30:10am

re: #225 Justanotherhuman

Worse than Floriduh!

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From what I understand 99.9% of Tatars didn’t vote either which shows that a shitload of voters were bussed in.

229 darthstar  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 5:30:21am

We need the Russian GOTV machine to help Democrats. //


230 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 5:32:20am

re: #229 darthstar

We need the Russian GOTV machine to help Democrats. //

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Will the party provide the 7.62?

231 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 5:33:56am

re: #227 Decatur Deb

We threw the office St Patrick’s party in Ra’anana, complete with a celtic crossword (all answers up and down were ‘potato’). The prize was a potato, as was the prize for the Hebrew/English limerick contest.

Zedushka still has cousins in Ireland.

232 Flounder  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 5:34:36am

Good Morning Lizards!
If women don’t find you handsome, at least they find you handy.
My son broke off his headphone jack in my wife’s I-pad, no sound dammit. So, how the hell do you get it out?! I thought about smashing it on the floor in a rage, and glue the pieces back together, but then thought better of it. I took a straw, sliced it up the middle, and slid that into the head-phone jack. Then I mixed up some JB weld epoxy, took the pointy end of a bamboo skewer and stuffed as much epoxy as i could into the straw. Once I figured I had it worked in there real good, I stuck the pointy end of the bamboo skewer inside the straw and let it set. After 24 hours, pulled the skewer, straw, and jack out. Angry Birds is much better with sound now!
I’m also good with the wife for at least a day!

233 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 5:38:06am

re: #232 Flounder

Good Morning Lizards!
If women don’t find you handsome, at least they find you handy.
My son broke off his headphone jack in my wife’s I-pad, no sound dammit. So, how the hell do you get it out?! I thought about smashing it on the floor in a rage, and glue the pieces back together, but then thought better of it. I took a straw, sliced it up the middle, and slid that into the head-phone jack. Then I mixed up some JB weld epoxy, took the pointy end of a bamboo skewer and stuffed as much epoxy as i could into the straw. Once I figured I had it worked in there real good, I stuck the pointy end of the bamboo skewer inside the straw and let it set. After 24 hours, pulled the skewer, straw, and jack out. Angry Birds is much better with sound now!
I’m also good with the wife for at least a day!

I always preferred a man who was good with his hands—that’s a transferable skill, if you get my drift. Handsome is as handsome does—always. : )

234 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 5:39:18am

re: #231 Pie-onist Overlord

Zedushka still has cousins in Ireland.

I can only imagine the accent.

235 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 5:42:53am

re: #232 Flounder

Good Morning Lizards!
If women don’t find you handsome, at least they find you handy.
My son broke off his headphone jack in my wife’s I-pad, no sound dammit. So, how the hell do you get it out?! I thought about smashing it on the floor in a rage, and glue the pieces back together, but then thought better of it. I took a straw, sliced it up the middle, and slid that into the head-phone jack. Then I mixed up some JB weld epoxy, took the pointy end of a bamboo skewer and stuffed as much epoxy as i could into the straw. Once I figured I had it worked in there real good, I stuck the pointy end of the bamboo skewer inside the straw and let it set. After 24 hours, pulled the skewer, straw, and jack out. Angry Birds is much better with sound now!
I’m also good with the wife for at least a day!

Youtube Video

236 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 5:45:33am

re: #224 Pie-onist Overlord

That might allow Zedushka and you to emigrate to Ireland, should you ever want to. Rather fitting news about his grandma, considering the holiday upon us now.

Oh, maybe not. I read your comment again, and she was in Belfast, Northern Ireland. The Republic of Ireland has the family citizenship rule, not the UK.

237 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 5:49:01am

re: #236 wheat-dogghazi

That might allow Zedushka and you to emigrate to Ireland, should you ever want to. Rather fitting news about his grandma, considering the holiday upon us now.

You mean countries other than Israel have “bloodline” immigration policies? Why doesn’t Max Blumenthal ever say anything about that?

238 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 5:50:38am
239 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 5:52:16am

re: #237 Pie-onist Overlord

You mean countries other than Israel have “bloodline” immigration policies? Why doesn’t Max Blumenthal ever say anything about that?

I’ve no idea. There aren’t many, but I know Israel and Ireland do for sure. In Ireland’s case, one of your grandparents has to have been born in Ireland, IIRC.

Alas, for me, my Irish ancestry is but a wee t’ing, back at least 8 generations.

240 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 5:53:54am

re: #220 NJDhockeyfan

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Morons.

241 chadu  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 5:55:27am

re: #107 Gus

Knew it was coming.

Is it parked next to the WWII B-17 they found there?

242 chadu  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 5:57:19am

re: #132 Gus

I await Caribou Barbie’s response breathlessly.

243 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 5:57:54am

Max having a bit of a tiff w/Paul Sonne, Moscow corr. for the WSJ. I mean, it’s not as though election officials in Sevastopol couldn’t change the results to look better.


244 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 5:57:55am

re: #210 Justanotherhuman

Yikes.

China backs North Korea on human rights

bbc.com

“China has dismissed a UN report that compared human rights abuses in North Korea to those in Nazi Germany.

“A Chinese diplomat said the report lacked credibility, adding to fears that Beijing will block further action. He said some of the recommendations were divorced from reality.

“North Korea called the report - which details murder, torture and starvation - a fabrication by hostile forces. “

Birds of a feather …

China has a similar response when outsiders criticize its dismal human rights policy. “Not here! We are a harmonious society! Those people are criminals, and anyway, keep your noses out of our business.”

North Korea has few allies, and China is the biggest. Without China propping it up, the KIm regime would have collapsed under its own weight decades ago.

245 chadu  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 5:58:36am

re: #143 Eclectic Cyborg

For all you know Putin may WANT Palin.

/

246 chadu  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 5:59:14am

re: #144 NJDhockeyfan

I know I’d trust Rocket J. Squirrel more than most of these yahoos.

247 Flounder  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:00:50am

re: #235 Decatur Deb

That’s Awesome!

248 chadu  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:01:26am

re: #154 Single-handed sailor

The problem I have with the plane landing is where are you going to find a discreet 8000 foot runway.

You know, applying a shrink ray to the missing plane solves so many problems!

CNN, call me! (makes ringy-dingy handsign)

249 chadu  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:02:05am

re: #157 Gus

And the Pashtun got a bunch of heavy equipment including mechanical soil tampers to harden the dirt surface. Then they got 1000s of yards of camouflage material to cover the 777 or build a giant hangar to hide it under. Then they’ll need the necessary maintenance equipment for a turn around including 45,220 gallons of jet fuel. Add bonus of taking off in a fully fueled 777-200ER on a crappy Taliban made dirt runway. Also disposing of the 239 dead bodies. Also hiding all the above activity. With added bonus of rocky, sand, hilly and mountainous terrain. Forgot about powering the damn thing up and recharging the batteries and stuff. Ayep.

Shrink ray!

250 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:02:59am

re: #237 Pie-onist Overlord

You mean countries other than Israel have “bloodline” immigration policies? Why doesn’t Max Blumenthal ever say anything about that?

No surprise—both countries have a diaspora.

252 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:03:50am

re: #249 chadu

Shrink ray!

That’s what she…
Nevermind.

253 darthstar  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:04:10am

re: #239 wheat-dogghazi

I’ve no idea. There aren’t many, but I know Israel and Ireland do for sure. In Ireland’s case, one of your grandparents has to have been born in Ireland, IIRC.

Alas, for me, my Irish ancestry is but a wee t’ing, back at least 8 generations.

My mother’s from Ireland. Got my Irish passport a dozen years ago. Makes traveling around Europe a breeze. No long lines for customs. Whip out the American passport when I get home.

254 darthstar  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:04:58am

re: #249 chadu

Shrink ray!

Pro-tip. Never carry the shrink ray gun in your belt.

255 darthstar  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:05:43am
256 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:05:45am

re: #254 darthstar

Pro-tip. Never carry the shrink ray gun in your belt.

Shit, don’t put any gun there.

257 geoffm33  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:06:45am

re: #238 Pie-onist Overlord

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LOL at this line:

After all, Muslim school children shouldn’t have to center their lives around some middle aged asshole RWNJ who gets paid by the exclamation point.

258 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:06:47am

Imma put my gun where it can shoot mah junk.
Wheee!
:/

259 chadu  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:07:03am

re: #187 Justanotherhuman

DoD Statement on Boarding of Commercial Tanker Morning Glory

“Pentagon Press Secretary Rear Adm. John Kirby provided the following statement:

“No one was hurt tonight when U.S. forces, at the request of both the Libyan and Cypriot governments, boarded and took control of the commercial tanker Morning Glory, a stateless vessel seized earlier this month by three armed Libyans.

“The boarding operation, approved by President Obama and conducted just after 10 p.m. EDT on March 16 in international waters southeast of Cypress, was executed by a team of U.S. Navy SEALs attached to Special Operations Command Europe.” More

defense.gov

Holy cow.

I find myself wondering how world media sees Obama at this point.

I’ll have to start checking it out. I wonder if its better to go for straight BBC rather than BBC America?

260 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:08:05am

re: #259 chadu

Holy cow.

I find myself wondering how world media sees Obama at this point.

I’ll have to start checking it out. I wonder if its better to go for straight BBC rather than BBC America?

Shhh, be vewy, vewy quite. I’m huntin’ piwates.

261 darthstar  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:08:11am
262 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:11:54am
263 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:12:31am

ITS A MIRACLE!!!!! because perpendicular support beams are something you would NEVER expect to find in the debris of a collapsed building.//

264 chadu  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:12:47am

re: #255 darthstar

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Have insurance, dissatisfied, 26%.

We’re under the Crazyfication Factor there!

265 chadu  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:15:35am

re: #261 darthstar

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“My reservations are simple: should I spend that extra $1k a month on a jetski, or a regular appointment to snort caviar off the butt of a stripper dressed like June Cleaver?”

266 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:16:26am

re: #229 darthstar

We need the Russian GOTV machine to help Democrats. //

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123% turnout, huh? The Daleys would be impressed.

267 chadu  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:16:47am

re: #263 Pie-onist Overlord

ITS A MIRACLE!!!!! because perpendicular support beams are something you would NEVER expect to find in the debris of a collapsed building.//

Math Structural Engineering is hard! Let’s go shopping!

268 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:19:41am
269 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:22:20am

re: #263 Pie-onist Overlord

ITS A MIRACLE!!!!! because perpendicular support beams are something you would NEVER expect to find in the debris of a collapsed building.//

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Ugh, that really irks me.
2,752 people died when the towers collapsed.

270 darthstar  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:22:44am
271 BigBadDemocrat  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:24:14am

Time for one post before the clock strikes work.

The NSA knows more than we know. They will not tell us unless they think it is useful to them for us to know.

If the guys pilots did not just crash it then they had to know enough to land were it could be refuled and be able to take off once more.

Western Pakistaian?

272 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:24:51am

re: #269 Varek Raith

Ugh, that really irks me.
2,752 people died when the towers collapsed.

Think of it as a memorial or a sign, then. It’s not a problematic thing.

273 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:25:59am

re: #271 BigBadDemocrat

Time for one post before the clock strikes work.

The NSA knows more than we know. They will not tell us unless they think it is useful to them for us to know.

If the guys pilots did not just crash it then they had to know enough to land were it could be refueled and be able to take off once more.

Western Pakistan?

Fixed.

274 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:26:03am
275 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:26:06am

re: #272 Dark_Falcon

Think of it as a memorial or a sign, then. It’s not a problematic thing.

A sign of what?
No, it bothers me.

276 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:26:17am

strong shaker….! shit!!

277 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:26:59am

re: #275 Varek Raith

A sign of what?
No, it bothers me.

Fucking structural support beams, how do they work?
YOU CAN’T EXPLAIN THAT!!!!!

278 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:27:38am

re: #275 Varek Raith

A sign of what?
No, it bothers me.

It’s just 2 pieces of metal. I don’t understand the outrage.

279 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:27:40am

Okay not so bad …. Sure was building up though

280 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:27:46am

re: #276 Political Atheist

strong shaker….! shit!!

Um…
My bad…
>.>

281 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:28:25am

re: #278 NJDhockeyfan

It’s just 2 pieces of metal. I don’t understand the outrage.

It’s just two pieces of metal. I don’t understand the religious treatment it’s getting.

282 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:29:09am
283 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:30:11am

re: #282 Pie-onist Overlord

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4.7?
RWC, you wimp.
/
:P

284 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:30:30am

re: #281 Varek Raith

It’s just two pieces of metal. I don’t understand the religious treatment it’s getting.

Both. Anyone who thinks that an X of two girders is somehow a religious sign is kind weird. Anyone who thinks it’s some huge freaking deal to have that in a museum is giving religion more power than it actually has. If someone is going to be ‘convinced’ of religious reality by seeing that one of the most common shapes of all time happened to be among the rubble, not having that shape around wouldn’t stop ‘em.

285 darthstar  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:31:36am

I’m guessing Charles is awake now.

286 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:31:46am

re: #284 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Both. Anyone who thinks that an X of two girders is somehow a religious sign is kind weird. Anyone who thinks it’s some huge freaking deal to have that in a museum is giving religion more power than it actually has. If someone is going to be ‘convinced’ of religious reality by seeing that one of the most common shapes of all time happened to be among the rubble, not having that shape around wouldn’t stop ‘em.

If they found a Star of David, or a Crescent, or a YinYang, that would be something.

287 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:31:54am

I also really, really, really don’t get the logic of the religious people on this one, either.

More than three thousand people died, some in agony and fear, and god signed his name to it? Wouldn’t that make God a horrible, horrible, vicious and evil being? Tagging the scene of an atrocity.

288 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:32:21am

re: #281 Varek Raith

It’s just two pieces of metal. I don’t understand the religious treatment it’s getting.

Many Christians saw it as a sign of hope. It’s OK if you don’t and the cross isn’t going to be displayed with big signs urging people to “come to Jesus”. But it has cultural significance directly related to 9/11 and that warrants its inclusion in the museum about 9/11. The use of government funds to display a object of clear cultural and religious significance in a museum is not an establishment of religion.

289 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:32:25am

Still cranky it seems.
:/

290 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:33:15am

re: #287 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I also really, really, really don’t get the logic of the religious people on this one, either.

More than three thousand people died, some in agony and fear, and god signed his name to it? Wouldn’t that make God a horrible, horrible, vicious and evil being? Tagging the scene of an atrocity.

That’s what bothers me the most about this whole thing.

Ok, I’m calm now.

291 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:33:32am

re: #288 Dark_Falcon

Can you explain how it’s a sign of hope? “Sure, your loved ones died in fear and pain, but hey, God still exists (and doesn’t do shit to stop this kind of thing)!”

292 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:33:48am

re: #272 Dark_Falcon

Think of it as a memorial or a sign, then. It’s not a problematic thing.

You mean a “sign” like, It’s a good thing the hijackers didn’t time the attacks for after 9 am when the bldg’s offices were fully staffed so there would be more deaths?

That kind of “sign” is nothing more than superstition. And as a “memorial” it stinks, too.

293 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:36:27am

re: #286 Pie-onist Overlord

If they found a Star of David, or a Crescent, or a YinYang, that would be something.

Naw, if it had been one of those, it would indicate the “evil” within the bldgs.

294 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:37:33am

re: #285 darthstar

I’m guessing Charles is awake now.

Hell of an alarm clock.

295 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:38:21am
296 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:38:31am

Is it my imagination or is the media treating this ‘vote’ in the Crimea like it was legit?

297 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:38:55am
298 darthstar  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:39:22am
299 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:39:26am

re: #294 Varek Raith

Hell of an alarm clock.

Happened to me in San Diego once. In a 3rd floor apt in the am. I got dressed and the hell out of there.

300 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:39:56am

re: #297 Charles Johnson

Whew!
Quite the Good Morning from nature this morning.

301 chadu  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:40:26am

O/T

My Swashbucklers of the 7 Skies is part of the Fantastic Valor Bundle of Holding! 6 RPGs; Heroic Action, Exotic Settings; ~$15.14: bundleofholding.com

Also paged here: littlegreenfootballs.com

302 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:41:56am

re: #281 Varek Raith

It’s just two pieces of metal. I don’t understand the religious treatment it’s getting.

Ignore it. It means different things to different people. Show some tolerance.

303 ObserverArt  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:42:54am

re: #263 Pie-onist Overlord

ITS A MIRACLE!!!!! because perpendicular support beams are something you would NEVER expect to find in the debris of a collapsed building.//

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Well, this is a little bit better than Jesus browned into your toast, or Virgin Mary in the mold on your trailers drywall.

304 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:43:19am

I’m not far from the epicenter. Felt bigger than 4.7! Definitely got my attention.

I’m hearing quite a few sirens.

305 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:45:49am

re: #302 NJDhockeyfan

Ignore it. It means different things to different people. Show some tolerance.

Would you be cool with a star and crescent likewise being displayed?

I still don’t get what it means to Christians, or why it’s a sign of hope. My parents are very religious Catholics, but this kind of stuff they find macabre and bizarre.

306 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:45:53am

re: #302 NJDhockeyfan

Ignore it. It means different things to different people. Show some tolerance.

Tolerance for what?

307 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:46:00am

re: #304 Charles Johnson

I’m not far from the epicenter. Felt bigger than 4.7! Definitely got my attention.

I’m hearing quite a few sirens.

I wonder how my mom is doing. She’s 90 years old, lives up in Beverly Glen.

308 b.d.  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:47:13am

re: #297 Charles Johnson

THIS IS OBAMA’S KATRINA!

309 chadu  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:47:23am

re: #278 NJDhockeyfan

It’s just 2 pieces of metal. I don’t understand the outrage.

People imputing God’s Will on a tragedy, probably.

And my personal confusion (other than, yes, it’d be pretty weird not to find 2 pieces of perpendicular steel from a building’s frame in its wreckage) is, “okay, you found this SIGN/SYMBOL in the wreckage, and you think it means something. What do you think it means? From the outside, it looks like you’re saying that you think that God approved of 9/11? If you mean something different, like ‘searching through wreckage for survivors/clues/meaning provides a symbol of God’s approval for disaster relief and helping others’ maybe you should give more context, rather than leaving it as a Rorschach test for folks.”

But I can’t tweet dat shit.

310 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:47:54am

re: #305 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Would you be cool with a star and crescent likewise being displayed?

I still don’t get what it means to Christians, or why it’s a sign of hope. My parents are very religious Catholics, but this kind of stuff they find macabre and bizarre.

Star, yes; Crescent, no. The crescent would be seen by most as a sign of victory for Radical Islam and that would never do.

311 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:48:23am

Heh.
Forget it.

312 darthstar  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:49:18am
313 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:49:33am

re: #310 Dark_Falcon

Star, yes; Crescent, no. The crescent would be seen by most as a sign of victory for Radical Islam and that would never do.

A Star, a Crescent or a YinYang wouldn’t be formed naturally as part of the debris, it would just be an artifact that someone of that faith had in their work space.

314 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:50:02am

re: #307 Pie-onist Overlord

I wonder how my mom is doing. She’s 90 years old, lives up in Beverly Glen.

Almost certainly no real damage but some scary shaking was going on.

315 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:50:19am

re: #305 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Would you be cool with a star and crescent likewise being displayed?

Yup. I wouldn’t care. Why would I?

I still don’t get what it means to Christians, or why it’s a sign of hope. My parents are very religious Catholics, but this kind of stuff they find macabre and bizarre.

So what? There are lots of Christian lizards on here that do understand. Why does that bother you so much?

316 darthstar  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:50:56am

Oh for fuck’s sake…

317 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:50:59am

Good.

No reports of damage, Los Angeles Fire Department making preliminary checks - @NBCLA

end of alert

318 ObserverArt  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:51:32am

re: #284 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Both. Anyone who thinks that an X of two girders is somehow a religious sign is kind weird. Anyone who thinks it’s some huge freaking deal to have that in a museum is giving religion more power than it actually has. If someone is going to be ‘convinced’ of religious reality by seeing that one of the most common shapes of all time happened to be among the rubble, not having that shape around wouldn’t stop ‘em.

I would think there were more than one of those buried in the debris field. What makes one more a miracle than another. Was it the fact that it stuck out and someone photographed it?

I guess it all falls under humans believing in something they can’t see, touch or feel.

So, what is the problem with some of them believing in something like climate change?

319 chadu  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:52:06am

re: #309 chadu

People imputing God’s Will on a tragedy, probably.

And my personal confusion (other than, yes, it’d be pretty weird not to find 2 pieces of perpendicular steel from a building’s frame in its wreckage) is, “okay, you found this SIGN/SYMBOL in the wreckage, and you think it means something. What do you think it means? From the outside, it looks like you’re saying that you think that God approved of 9/11? If you mean something different, like ‘searching through wreckage for survivors/clues/meaning provides a symbol of God’s approval for disaster relief and helping others’ maybe you should give more context, rather than leaving it as a Rorschach test for folks.”

But I can’t tweet dat shit.

Self-reply:

A judge last year tossed out a lawsuit on the cross, rejecting the arguments of American Atheists, which sued the National September 11 Memorial & Museum’s operators in 2011 on constitutional grounds, contending that the prominent display of the cross constitutes an endorsement of Christianity, diminishing the contributions of non-Christian rescuers.

[…]

“It belongs at this site, in the 9/11 Memorial Museum, and nowhere else,” Daniels said. “The cross embodies the story of the herculean efforts of the men and women who were on the front lines during the nine-month recovery effort after the 9/11 attacks on this country.”

[…]

“No reasonable observer would view the artifact as endorsing Christianity,” the judge said. She added that the museum’s creators “have not advanced religion impermissibly, and the cross does not create excessive entanglement between the state and religion.” She said the plaintiffs also failed to allege any form of intentional discrimination or cite any adverse or unequal treatment on the basis of their religious beliefs.

Ah, see, there’s the crux (heh) of it.

I’m a reasonable observer, and I view the artifact as endorsing Christianity.
Specifically, the Christianity of some of the rescue workers.

So, judge…

320 darthstar  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:52:19am

Think I’ll eat a croissant today because radical islam.

321 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:52:37am

re: #306 Varek Raith

Tolerance for what?

For the people who want it displayed. It’s no doubt helping alot still recovering from 9-11. Just let it be. It’s not harming anyone.

322 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:52:56am

re: #310 Dark_Falcon

Star, yes; Crescent, no. The crescent would be seen by most as a sign of victory for Radical Islam and that would never do.

Why does the crescent stand for radical islam and not the normal Islam of the Muslims who were in the towers and died the same as the Christians that were there?

re: #315 NJDhockeyfan

Yup. I wouldn’t care. Why would I?

See above.

So what? There are lots of Christian lizards on here that do understand. Why does that bother you so much?

I’ve already made it clear why I think that God signing his name to an atrocity is freaky. If you understand, can you explain it to me? Nobody, yet, has been able to.

323 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:52:58am
Hey, sorry I didn’t stop the planes or prevent the buildings from collapsing so…
Here’s some cross shaped scrap.

That’s what this is to me. Macabre.

324 chadu  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:53:46am

re: #286 Pie-onist Overlord

If they found a Star of David, or a Crescent, or a YinYang, that would be something.

Interlocking triangles can be support structures, so I’d even give that one a pass.

325 chadu  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:54:36am

re: #287 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I also really, really, really don’t get the logic of the religious people on this one, either.

More than three thousand people died, some in agony and fear, and god signed his name to it? Wouldn’t that make God a horrible, horrible, vicious and evil being? Tagging the scene of an atrocity.

Upon further reading, it’s supposed to be an endorsement by God of the rescue workers.

Somehow.

326 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:54:42am

re: #321 NJDhockeyfan

For the people who want it displayed. It’s no doubt helping alot still recovering from 9-11. Just let it be. It’s not harming anyone.

In a small way, it diminishes both the deaths and the efforts of non-Christians who either died or worked as rescuers that day. Like I said, I don’t consider it a big deal, it’s just a bit of ghoulishness and arrogance, but not really something to get het up about.

327 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:54:48am

re: #320 darthstar

Think I’ll eat a croissant today because radical islam.

Lepanto chauvinist.

328 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:55:41am

re: #325 chadu

Upon further reading, it’s supposed to be an endorsement by God of the rescue workers.

Somehow.

Jewish rescue workers love seeing crosses, this is well-known.

329 darthstar  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:55:56am

Because, that’s why.

330 ObserverArt  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:56:24am

re: #297 Charles Johnson

A 4.7 magnitude earthquake occurred 4.97mi NW of Westwood, California. Details: eqbot.com Map: eqbot.com

I’m thinking I really do not have a problem with 10” of snow with -10° temperatures after all.

: )

331 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:56:42am

re: #329 darthstar

Mashed potatoes?

No.

332 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:57:08am

re: #329 darthstar

Because, that’s why.

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333 chadu  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:57:20am

re: #288 Dark_Falcon

Many Christians saw it as a sign of hope. It’s OK if you don’t and the cross isn’t going to be displayed with big signs urging people to “come to Jesus”. But it has cultural significance directly related to 9/11 and that warrants its inclusion in the museum about 9/11. The use of government funds to display a object of clear cultural and religious significance in a museum is >not an establishment of religion.

Disagree with you there. I don’t see the cultural or historical significance of a common structural arrangement of steel unless you’re talking about certain aspects of American culture/human nature will latch onto a symbol through pattern-recognition to give additional religious meaning to a situation, event, or action.

334 chadu  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:57:58am

re: #293 Justanotherhuman

Naw, if it had been one of those, it would indicate the “evil” within the bldgs.

dingdingding!

335 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:58:20am

USGS wants to hear from LA area lizards:

Oh, and USGS has downgraded it to a 4.4

336 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:59:10am

337 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 6:59:28am

re: #328 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Jewish rescue workers love seeing crosses, this is well-known.

De Danann: Two Jewish Reels

Youtube Video

338 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:00:02am
339 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:02:16am

re: #322 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

See above.

I see nothing saying why I would care if a crescent was displayed. Go ahead and try again.

I’ve already made it clear why I think that God signing his name to an atrocity is freaky. If you understand, can you explain it to me? Nobody, yet, has been able to.

If you think that it’s God signing his name to 9-11 than I can’t help you. That’s on an Alex Jones level of thinking.

340 GunstarGreen  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:03:19am

re: #310 Dark_Falcon

Star, yes; Crescent, no. The crescent would be seen by most as a sign of victory for Radical Islam and that would never do.

With all due respect, fuck them.

“Radical Islam” already had its victory, and continues to have it every single day. Because idiot Americans use phrases like “Radical Islam” to describe anything even vaguely Islamic. Because they’ll throw up a religious symbol at a macabre farce of a memorial, and then whine when a different religious symbol — and just as valid of one, as there were undoubtedly Islamic responders and victims involved alongside Christian ones — is suggested as well.

This is all aside from the fact that a “9-11 museum” is a preposterous joke in the first place. People are murdered every day of the week in this country, and nobody gives a shit because it wasn’t a televised event. In any given year, something on the order of three times as many people (on a GOOD year) are murdered in this country as died in that event, and there’s no big memorials. No big fuss. Just a statistic.

341 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:03:25am

re: #335 Backwoods_Sleuth

Felt bigger, probably because it was shallow.

342 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:03:37am
343 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:04:28am

Sorry, but I’m going to be weary when anyone who wants their religious symbols included in any federal/state function.

344 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:06:01am

re: #343 Varek Raith

Sorry, but I’m going to be weary when anyone who wants their religious symbols included in any federal/state function.

Doesn’t help that we have an entire political party, the GOP, pushing it on everyone they can.

345 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:06:30am

re: #342 Justanotherhuman

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Taking access away from their money is a hard hit to those Russians. I love it.

346 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:06:33am

Pam what if some Jewish students requested kosher food and anti-Semites said the same thing that you are saying right now.
OH THAT’S DIFFERENT!!!!!
No it’s not. Please Pam shut your fucking pie hole.

347 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:07:10am

re: #339 NJDhockeyfan

I see nothing saying why I would care if a crescent was displayed. Go ahead and try again.

If you think that it’s God signing his name to 9-11 than I can’t help you. That’s on an Alex Jones level of thinking.

So what does it mean to you?

348 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:07:21am
349 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:07:32am

re: #343 Varek Raith

Sorry, but I’m going to be weary when anyone who wants their religious symbols included in any federal/state function.

Our government erects hundreds of thousands of religious symbols of all kinds—some almost every day. Find the middle ground.

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350 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:07:45am

Criminal proceedings against seizure of Chornomornaftogaz’s station launched

Prosecutor General’s Office in Henichesk District of Kherson region has opened criminal proceedings against the seizure of the gas distribution station of state enterprises Chornomornaftogaz, the press service of the Prosecutor General’s Office in Kherson region has reported.

“On March 15 in Henichesk region at the Border Patrol checkpoint of Ukraine more than 100 armed men landed, wearing military uniforms without insignia. According to preliminary data, the paratroopers belong to the armed forces of the Russian army. As it turned out, they came presumably to guard towers and Chornomornaftogas’ gas producing plant, located in the sea a few kilometers from the Strilkove village of Henichesk region,” - says the agency.

Now the situation in Strilkove is controlled by soldiers of the Border Guard Service of Ukraine.

facebook.com

351 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:07:59am

re: #349 Decatur Deb

Our government erects hundreds of thousands of religious symbols of all kinds—some almost every day. Find the middle ground.

Image: 20060523141424_cambridge.jpg

Oh please, you know what I mean.

352 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:08:07am

re: #346 Pie-onist Overlord

Pam what if some Jewish students requested kosher food and anti-Semites said the same thing that you are saying right now.
OH THAT’S DIFFERENT!!!!!
No it’s not. Please Pam shut your fucking pie hole.

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The language she uses against Muslims is creepily similar to what’s been used against the Jews for generations and the nut bar doesn’t see any irony.

353 darthstar  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:08:17am

re: #332 Varek Raith

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The softimeter is funny though. Baby’s bottom is the low end of the scale.

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354 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:08:50am

re: #340 GunstarGreen

And for that sir, you can fuck right off.

355 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:09:30am

re: #351 Varek Raith

Oh please, you know what I mean.

I don’t know your (or anyone’s) boundaries. Purism will kill us all.

356 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:10:06am

re: #354 Dark_Falcon

And for that sir, you can fuck right off.

Well, he’s right.
Look at all the Republicans who threw a hissy fit over the ‘ground zero’ mosque.
Deal with it.

357 ObserverArt  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:10:49am

re: #339 NJDhockeyfan

I see nothing saying why I would care if a crescent was displayed. Go ahead and try again.

If you think that it’s God signing his name to 9-11 than I can’t help you. That’s on an Alex Jones level of thinking.

If you think his comment was on the Alex Jones level, then I’d like to know what you are thinking.

I’ve always had a problem with the cross as a symbol anyway. To me, it is celebrating the tool of death and that is both macabre and perplexing.

And remember…I am a fully Catholic educated individual that used to sit in church on Sundays and be freaked out with all the strange images in our stain glass windows. Like Abraham about to take a knife to his son.

Seemed to me they were telling me that God is a wicked son-of-gun and if you don’t follow the religious laws there will be deadly repercussions.

Yeah…lots of love, hope and goodwill in all that.

358 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:10:58am

re: #355 Decatur Deb

I don’t know your (or anyone’s) boundaries. Purism will kill us all.

Oh.
Ok.
In that case, the cemetery is displaying the faith of that particular vet.
No problems there.

359 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:11:49am

re: #358 Varek Raith

Oh.
Ok.
In that case, the cemetery is displaying the faith of that particular vet.
No problems there.

Now, I would have a problem is some group wanted a certain symbol no matter what the vet believed.

360 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:12:53am

re: #352 HappyWarrior

The language she uses against Muslims is creepily similar to what’s been used against the Jews for generations and the nut bar doesn’t see any irony.

Not just “creepily similar” it’s IDENTICAL.

361 darthstar  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:12:55am
362 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:12:56am

re: #346 Pie-onist Overlord

If I look carefully in my local supermarket, I can find halal hotdogs (Labeled “Muslim food” Chinese and English).

Our campus has a halal cafeteria, to serve the several hundred students from Gansu, Xinjiang and Qinghai provinces. I eat there sometimes, because it’s less crowded and the food tastes better. Plus, no pork. I get really tired of pork.

Bacon gets a pass.

So far, I have not turned into a Muslim from eating halal food. Or Chinese, for that matter.

363 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:13:10am

re: #347 Varek Raith

So what does it mean to you?

I see it as just a cross and I’m not offended in anyway. I am not deeply religious. I grew up in an Episcopal church but lost interest in organized churches a long time ago. I still do believe though. I think the cross is very helpful for victims in different ways. As far as the outrage, take it easy, there are far more important things to worry about that a hunk of metal.

364 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:13:27am

re: #358 Varek Raith

Oh.
Ok.
In that case, the cemetery is displaying the faith of that particular vet.
No problems there.

Yeah I’ve got no problem with that either. It’s just when your 359 yeah.

365 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:14:12am

re: #349 Decatur Deb

Our government erects hundreds of thousands of religious symbols of all kinds—some almost every day. Find the middle ground.

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Gaaaaah! Outrage!
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366 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:14:19am

re: #360 Pie-onist Overlord

Not just “creepily similar” it’s IDENTICAL.

You’re right. Identical is the better word. She should be ashamed of herself but she isn’t and continues to pal around with real fascists all the while she accuses people who disagree with her insanity of being Nazis and kapos.

367 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:15:30am

re: #339 NJDhockeyfan

I see nothing saying why I would care if a crescent was displayed. Go ahead and try again.

I didn’t say that you said you’d care, though. I asked a question and you answered it. I’m glad that you’d be fine with a star and crescent present at the 9/11 memorial.

f you think that it’s God signing his name to 9-11 than I can’t help you. That’s on an Alex Jones level of thinking.

I’m an atheist, so obviously I don’t think that. What I’m asking, and what neither you, nor anyone else, has been able to explain, is what it does actually signify to Christians. There appears to be a very muddled interpretation of it: it’s now being cast as some sort of sign of respect for the rescuers, which, again, is just the typical kind of Christian arrogance that’s present in the US, not really a big deal, but definitely annoying.

Can you explain what meaning it has?

368 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:15:59am

re: #363 NJDhockeyfan

. I still do believe though. I think the cross is very helpful for victims in different ways.

Can you explain any of these ways?

369 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:16:06am

re: #357 ObserverArt

If you think his comment was on the Alex Jones level, then I’d like to know what you are thinking.

I’ve always had a problem with the cross as a symbol anyway. To me, it is celebrating the tool of death and that is both macabre and perplexing.

And remember…I am a fully Catholic educated individual that used to sit in church on Sundays and be freaked out with all the strange images in our stain glass windows. Like Abraham about to take a knife to his son.

Seemed to me they were telling me that God is a wicked son-of-gun and if you don’t follow the religious laws there will be deadly repercussions.

Yeah…lots of love, hope and goodwill in all that.

Between that (I was a convert at age 8) and the hellfire and brimstone I was subjected to from tent “revival meetings” earlier, I had to overcome a hell of a lot of trauma from “well meaning” religious types, esp those who told me my dad was going straight to hell when we had just lost my mother.

370 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:16:17am

My biases are showing.
Oh well.

371 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:16:28am

re: #366 HappyWarrior

You’re right. Identical is the better word. She should be ashamed of herself but she isn’t and continues to pal around with real fascists all the while she accuses people who disagree with her insanity of being Nazis and kapos.

I sometimes wonder what her rabbi has to say about Pam’s pals and rhetoric.

372 darthstar  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:16:45am

This just in from Microsoft.


373 Chrysicat  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:17:06am
374 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:17:14am

re: #371 wheat-dogghazi

I sometimes wonder what her rabbi has to say about Pam’s pals and rhetoric.

I have no idea really. She’s got so much hatred in her.

375 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:17:19am

Every so often it bursts.
With all the ‘religious freedom’ bullshit being pushed in several states, it was only a matter of time.
I apologize.

376 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:17:57am

re: #349 Decatur Deb

Our government erects hundreds of thousands of religious symbols of all kinds—some almost every day. Find the middle ground.

Image: 20060523141424_cambridge.jpg

The cool thing about the military cemeteries is getting whatever symbol you want, except for the dumbassery of the military in fighting certain symbols but they’ll get over it in time.

377 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:18:02am

re: #372 darthstar

This just in from Microsoft.

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I use this as my icon.

378 ObserverArt  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:18:16am

re: #354 Dark_Falcon

And for that sir, you can fuck right off.

Is that a good Christian response?

Think about that Dark. Really. He might not be a believer. You say you are.

379 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:20:16am

re: #375 Varek Raith

Every so often it bursts.
With all the ‘religious freedom’ bullshit being pushed in several states, it was only a matter of time.
I apologize.

NBD, and it’s not bias—it’s passion. Sometimes it’s not useful to be right, even counterproductive. The long goal is a tolerant society with a large helping of ‘don’t make no never-mind’.

380 chadu  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:20:30am

re: #362 wheat-dogghazi

So far, I have not turned into a Muslim from eating halal food. Or Chinese, for that matter.

381 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:21:14am

re: #357 ObserverArt

If you think his comment was on the Alex Jones level, then I’d like to know what you are thinking.

I’ve always had a problem with the cross as a symbol anyway. To me, it is celebrating the tool of death and that is both macabre and perplexing.

And remember…I am a fully Catholic educated individual that used to sit in church on Sundays and be freaked out with all the strange images in our stain glass windows. Like Abraham about to take a knife to his son.

Seemed to me they were telling me that God is a wicked son-of-gun and if you don’t follow the religious laws there will be deadly repercussions.

Yeah…lots of love, hope and goodwill in all that.

I’m sorry you see it that way. I didn’t mean any insults. I find those stained glass windows beautiful and some of the old churches and amazing. My cousin got married in a Catholic church in Brooklyn and it was one of the most beautiful churches I’ve ever been in. They got married on Halloween and everyone dressed up in various costumes. The best one was her friend who was Medusa. Not one person was offended in the church. I guess you could say there is much tolerance in that church.

382 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:21:35am
383 ObserverArt  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:21:47am

re: #362 wheat-dogghazi

If I look carefully in my local supermarket, I can find halal hotdogs (Labeled “Muslim food” Chinese and English).

Our campus has a halal cafeteria, to serve the several hundred students from Gansu, Xinjiang and Qinghai provinces. I eat there sometimes, because it’s less crowded and the food tastes better. Plus, no pork. I get really tired of pork.

Bacon gets a pass.

So far, I have not turned into a Muslim from eating halal food. Or Chinese, for that matter.

Damn good point. I should be a Chinese-Mexican by now.

384 Chrysicat  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:22:06am

re: #378 ObserverArt

I think his response was for the “9/11 deserves no more commemoration than any other random mass-murder, We don’t have a permanent shrine at Columbine, do we?”attitude.

No, we don’t. But we do at Pearl Harbor and Fort Sumter. So he’s trivializing what-I-think-most-of-us-here-still-see-as-an-act-of-war into a common, everyday mass murder. Am I close, D_F?

385 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:22:24am

re: #376 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

The cool thing about the military cemeteries is getting whatever symbol you want, except for the dumbassery of the military in fighting certain symbols but they’ll get over it in time.

Not much fighting, mostly just bureaucratese. I think there might not be a Wiccan symbol yet, but there are stones for two shades of atheist.

386 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:22:45am

re: #379 Decatur Deb

NBD, and it’s not bias—it’s passion. Sometimes it’s not useful to be right, even counterproductive. The long goal is a tolerant society with a large helping of ‘don’t make no never-mind’.

I think the appropriate response to the X being enshrined in the 9/11 memorial is occasional sarcasm and eyebrow waggling.

It’s close to when someone tells me that something I did was very Christian. I like replying, “Yeah, mighty white of me, wasn’t it?”

387 chadu  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:22:55am

re: #367 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I didn’t say that you said you’d care, though. I asked a question and you answered it. I’m glad that you’d be fine with a star and crescent present at the 9/11 memorial.

I’m an atheist, so obviously I don’t think that. What I’m asking, and what neither you, nor anyone else, has been able to explain, is what it does actually signify to Christians. There appears to be a very muddled interpretation of it: it’s now being cast as some sort of sign of respect for the rescuers, which, again, is just the typical kind of Christian arrogance that’s present in the US, not really a big deal, but definitely annoying.

Can you explain what meaning it has?

Point of information: by my further reading, it’s always been cast as a sign of respect for the rescuers.

Doesn’t necessarily obviate the overall point, but hey, more context is always good.

388 darthstar  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:23:09am


Kent Shocknek
Youtube Video

389 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:23:12am

re: #378 ObserverArt

Is that a good Christian response?

Think about that Dark. Really. He might not be a believer. You say you are.

When someone takes the hostile tone GG did and you already know they aren’t going to agree with you, I find best to just tell them off and move on.

390 GunstarGreen  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:24:07am

re: #378 ObserverArt

Is that a good Christian response?

Think about that Dark. Really. He might not be a believer. You say you are.

Oh no, I expected that sort of response, and I accept it. I likely deserve it. That’s the price I pay for being a weirdo that sees ~2,750 people killed by planes that just happened to have been piloted by muslims causing a national decades-long freakout, and wondering why in the hell it doesn’t cause the same sort of freakout when easily twice that many people are killed every single year by guns being used by decidedly non-muslim people.

Quick, install checkpoints and scanners and TSA agents and profiling at every single airport in the nation for the rest of eternity, but don’t you fucking dare ask me to pass a background check to get my gunz.

Remember, it’s only “terrorism” when brown people do it.

391 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:24:28am

Okay time to try that subway, see how well metro and its customers have dealt with todays little wiggle.

392 darthstar  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:24:30am

re: #380 chadu

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That should read “IMFUMFEIVAFLE”

393 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:24:48am

re: #384 Chrysicat

I think his response was for the “9/11 deserves no more commemoration than any other random mass-murder, We don’t have a permanent shrine at Columbine, do we?”attitude.

No, we don’t. But we do at Pearl Harbor and Fort Sumter. So he’s trivializing what-I-think-most-of-us-here-still-see-as-an-act-of-war into a common, everyday mass murder. Am I close, D_F?

That’s much of it, yes.

394 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:25:24am

WTFITS

395 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:25:52am

re: #394 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS

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Eh?
Oh, freepers.

396 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:26:40am

re: #395 Varek Raith

Eh?
Oh, freepers.

That flight is going to have conspiracy theories for years about it.

397 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:26:57am

re: #394 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS

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Also, that’s an awfully convoluted and complicated plot for just a simple attack.

398 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:27:06am

re: #383 ObserverArt

Damn good point. I should be a Chinese-Mexican by now.

I was watching an ep of NCIS the other day, and McGee asks DiNozzo if his stomach hurts because of the burrito he got from the Chinese place.

399 darthstar  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:27:10am
400 chadu  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:27:30am

re: #393 Dark_Falcon

That’s much of it, yes.

Then have an upding here for my downding there.

(If you’d separated out the second part of the comment, I probably wouldn’t have dinged at all.)

(Which calls my own actions in updinging Gunstar’s comment, when I was +1 for the first part and 0/not enough to ding on the second part, that caused your reaction.)

(Curious. Must ponder.)

401 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:27:47am

re: #396 HappyWarrior

That flight is going to have conspiracy theories for years about it.

Especially if, and this is what I think, we never find that damn plane.

402 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:27:48am
403 Flounder  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:28:15am

re: #399 darthstar

That look is priceless.

404 Chrysicat  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:28:37am

re: #400 chadu

Y’know you can just undo your downding by updinging the same comment, right?

405 chadu  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:28:52am

re: #389 Dark_Falcon

When someone takes the hostile tone GG did and you already know they aren’t going to agree with you, I find best to just tell them off and move on.

See, no ding at all on this one!

;)

406 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:29:16am

re: #396 HappyWarrior

That flight is going to have conspiracy theories for years about it.

It will be found when we have cleared up Amelia Earhart’s disappearance on a planned route.

407 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:29:26am

re: #401 Varek Raith

Especially if, and this is what I think, we never find that damn plane.

The bottom of the Indian Ocean is large and wide and very, very deep.

408 chadu  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:29:28am

re: #404 Chrysicat

Y’know you can just undo your downding by updinging the same comment, right?

Yes. Yes, I do.

The medium is the message. Actions have consequences. The door is a jar.

409 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:29:41am

Sorry for being such a dick.

Sigh, now I feel bad.
Thanks, Obama.

410 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:29:54am

re: #402 Pie-onist Overlord

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A socialist would have never courted the Krupp family. They see National Socialist and fixate on that rather than ignoring that NSDAP’s main political enemies in their rise to part were the moderate social democrats (SPD) and the communists (KPD). It’s true Nazi Germany did later align with the USSR but that was because Hitler and Ribbentrop needed the USSR not to intervene in the invasion of Poland.

411 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:29:55am

re: #406 Decatur Deb

It will be found when we have cleared up Amelia Earhart’s disappearance on a planned route.

Didn’t they find the wreckage of her plane a couple of years ago?

412 ObserverArt  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:30:07am

re: #365 NJDhockeyfan

Gaaaaah! Outrage!
//

You know, one of the hardest thing for humans is seeing things in others eyes. You have no problem with the crosses at Arlington. But, is that because of how you interpret the religious symbol.

The hard thing would be trying to understand other’s viewpoints and how they see things…especially in the context of the Constitution and the separation of church and state.

I have a feeling that if humans could expand their thinking to understand others there really would be no outrageous outrages.

And keep in mind just how many wars, how much destruction, and how many lives have been taken in the name of a god. If you do that, add in your own experiences with your own religious backgrounds, etc., then it isn’t all that difficult to understand some of the comments you are having a bit of issue with in this thread.

I happen to think that is really what God, should he exist, would want. All the other crap done in his name…not so much.

413 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:30:40am

re: #401 Varek Raith

Especially if, and this is what I think, we never find that damn plane.

Yep more time that goes by, the more the CTs will grow and Alex Jones will get his wings.

414 chadu  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:30:41am

re: #392 darthstar

That should read “IMFUMFEIVAFLE”

I want one.

But with Bane flipped mirror-wise so I don’t confuse them in Image Library. ;)

415 chadu  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:31:34am

re: #394 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS

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I’m afraid they’re going to convert that plane into a Veritech.

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416 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:32:13am

re: #415 chadu

I’m afraid they’re going to convert that plane into a Veritech.

///

My Gundam is better.
:P

417 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:32:33am

re: #412 ObserverArt

I learned something new this week. Arlington was built on Robert E. Lee’s estate. (Well, his wife’s family estate, to be exact.) I never knew that before.

418 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:32:38am

Well in the spirit of the holiday, listening to the Pogues this morning.

419 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:33:01am

re: #410 HappyWarrior

A socialist would have never courted the Krupp family. They see National Socialist and fixate on that rather than ignoring that NSDAP’s main political enemies in their rise to part were the moderate social democrats (SPD) and the communists (KPD). It’s true Nazi Germany did later align with the USSR but that was because Hitler and Ribbentrop needed the USSR not to intervene in the invasion of Poland.

All very true, but infinitely too nuanced for the RWNJ contingent.

420 Flounder  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:33:11am

re: #417 wheat-dogghazi

That’s what happens when you lose.

421 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:34:11am

re: #417 wheat-dogghazi

I learned something new this week. Arlington was built on Robert E. Lee’s estate. (Well, his wife’s family estate, to be exact.) I never knew that before.

Yep and his wife’s family were descendants of Martha Washington and her first husband Daniel Custis. So Robert E. Lee’s step great grandfather in law was none other than George Washington and Lee’s son fought the feds to get back the land after the war. A beautiful cemetery by the way. I’ve been more than a few times since I live around here. I even have a distant relative buried there.

422 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:35:17am

ZONING LAWS, HOW DO THEY WORK?

423 ObserverArt  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:35:29am

re: #375 Varek Raith

Every so often it bursts.
With all the ‘religious freedom’ bullshit being pushed in several states, it was only a matter of time.
I apologize.

I don’t think you need to apologize. Others may consider it though. Especially those conservatives that should be conserving the intent of the Constitution.

And for the record, and as I’ve said before: I am glad I was raised a Catholic and went through the 12 years of Catholic grade, junior and senior high school. It taught me a lot, some of it unintended. Mostly it taught me about passion and true-believers and how to weigh their actions versus their intent. Not all things line up.

424 chadu  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:35:37am

re: #412 ObserverArt

And keep in mind just how many wars, how much destruction, and how many lives have been taken in the name of a god. If you do that, add in your own experiences with your own religious backgrounds, etc., then it isn’t all that difficult to understand some of the comments you are having a bit of issue with in this thread.

I happen to think that is really what God, should he exist, would want. All the other crap done in his name…not so much.

I’ve found myself wondering if total wars (kill all the enemy even noncombatants or those not present at the battle rather than enslaving them or leaving them be) are monotheistic religion-based, conquest for ownership of land-based, or the combo.

425 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:35:59am

re: #419 Dr Lizardo

All very true, but infinitely too nuanced for the RWNJ contingent.

Yeah nuance isn’t in their vocab. I think it’s their way of dealing with the fact that before the invasion of Poland that many on the European and American right did in fact express admiration for Hitler and the NSADP. There’s a lot of denialism on the right about the right and antisemitism too. Beck is the biggest one doing so but then you have those like Pat Buchanan who would have fit in perfect with the right circa 1934.

426 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:36:01am

re: #420 Flounder

That’s what happens when you lose.

Yup. I just finished reading the lectures in an Open Yale course on the Civil War. oyc.yale.edu

The professor is a noted Civil War historian. Worth the time, if you got some.

427 chadu  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:36:20am

re: #416 Varek Raith

My Gundam is better.
:P

Voltron lions are still the best.

428 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:36:47am

re: #412 ObserverArt

You know, one of the hardest thing for humans is seeing things in others eyes. You have no problem with the crosses at Arlington. But, is that because of how you interpret the religious symbol.

The hard thing would be trying to understand other’s viewpoints and how they see things…especially in the context of the Constitution and the separation of church and state.

I have a feeling that if humans could expand their thinking to understand others there really would be no outrageous outrages.

And keep in mind just how many wars, how much destruction, and how many lives have been taken in the name of a god. If you do that, add in your own experiences with your own religious backgrounds, etc., then it isn’t all that difficult to understand some of the comments you are having a bit of issue with in this thread.

I happen to think that is really what God, should he exist, would want. All the other crap done in his name…not so much.

Very well said!

429 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:36:50am

re: #427 chadu

Voltron lions are still the best.

True, true.
Ah the memories.

430 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:38:00am

re: #425 HappyWarrior

Yeah nuance isn’t in their vocab. I think it’s their way of dealing with the fact that before the invasion of Poland that many on the European and American right did in fact express admiration for Hitler and the NSADP. There’s a lot of denialism on the right about the right and antisemitism too. Beck is the biggest one doing so but then you have those like Pat Buchanan who would have fit in perfect with the right circa 1934.

Damned straight. Hitler was pretty popular with European and American right-wingers because of his fanatical anti-Communism, as well as his anti-Semitism.

431 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:38:35am
432 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:39:07am

HURR HURR!!!!

433 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:39:55am

GMTA!

434 geoffm33  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:40:08am

re: #383 ObserverArt

Damn good point. I should be a Chinese-Mexican by now.

I should be Italian-Lebanese at this rate.

435 ObserverArt  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:40:13am

re: #384 Chrysicat

I think his response was for the “9/11 deserves no more commemoration than any other random mass-murder, We don’t have a permanent shrine at Columbine, do we?”attitude.

No, we don’t. But we do at Pearl Harbor and Fort Sumter. So he’s trivializing what-I-think-most-of-us-here-still-see-as-an-act-of-war into a common, everyday mass murder. Am I close, D_F?

I agree. And I like Dark. But, his reaction with the FU was not needed. That was my point. I’m pretty sure Dark understands too.

436 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:40:20am

re: #430 Dr Lizardo

Damned straight. Hitler was pretty popular with European and American right-wingers because of his fanatical anti-Communism, as well as his anti-Semitism.

Right, especially the anti-communism which is what made Mussolini who wasn’t overtly anti-semitic popular too. Same thing with Francisco Franco in Spain. Hell, the anti-communism is how the Nazis were able to get so many foreign volunteers in the occupied countries. You can’t call the Nazis a left wing movement you just can’t.

437 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:40:21am

Ah, Glenn.
Lol.

438 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:41:15am

Shorter GG and moonbats,
“Russia can invade Crimea because Iraq”.

439 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:41:16am

re: #432 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!

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Oh fuck off you insufferable dick and go back to your Brazilian villa and get the fuck over yourself. The world doesn’t revolve around your pal Eddie and no one is blaming him for the earthquake.

440 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:41:33am

re: #437 Varek Raith

Ah, Glenn.
Lol.

He’s sounding a lot like another Glenn I know.

441 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:41:53am

re: #437 Varek Raith

He really doesn’t get it, does he?

442 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:42:21am

re: #439 HappyWarrior

Oh fuck off you insufferable dick and go back to your Brazilian villa and get the fuck over yourself. The world doesn’t revolve around your pal Eddie and no one is blaming him for the earthquake.

Unless he stole access codes to Grazer 1…

443 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:42:28am
444 ObserverArt  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:42:40am

re: #389 Dark_Falcon

When someone takes the hostile tone GG did and you already know they aren’t going to agree with you, I find best to just tell them off and move on.

Tone Dark. Tone. WWJD!

(I hope you understand…understanding)

445 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:42:57am

re: #438 Varek Raith

Shorter GG and moonbats,
“Russia can invade Crimea because Iraq”.

Well it’s more:
“Russia can invade Crimea and you should shut up about it because Iraq.”
Because pre-school logic is so good. Mommy, he started it!

446 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:43:35am

re: #393 Dark_Falcon

That’s much of it, yes.

An “act of war”? What other country was involved? “War” presumes 2 countries are fighting it out over something.

Those hijackers were criminally-minded types who used religion as an excuse to do their deeds, and are still doing so, in country after country. Those with other religious views do the same, for instance anti-abortion types. I see these types of incidents as political in most respects, and these kinds of terrorists, no matter where they come from, even in the US, come from countries have political systems in place, even when people don’t like them. Most civilized people don’t go around blowing things up just because they’re pissed off at “the system”.

I’m a secularist who wants to keep religion and govt separate, just as the Constitution of this country says it should be. We either stick to it and become a diverse entity that welcomes people from all walks of life, from every country, every race, every religion (or non-religious), every other nationality, or we veer totally to the right and become isolationist and nationalist to the exclusion of everyone else on the planet. I’m afraid that is what some want and we’ve made too much progress to turn the clock back just because of small minds.

447 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:43:39am

re: #445 HappyWarrior

Well it’s more:
“Russia can invade Crimea and you should shut up about it because Iraq.”
Because pre-school logic is so good. Mommy, he started it!

All the cool kids are doing it!

448 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:44:10am

re: #445 HappyWarrior

Well it’s more:
“Russia can invade Crimea and you should shut up about it because Iraq.”
Because pre-school logic is so good. Mommy, he started it!

And drones!
Mustn’t forget the drones.

449 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:44:34am

In Russia the word ‘Peace’ is offensive.


450 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:44:44am

But yeah the moonbat left annoys the hell out of me. Yes, we were wrong to invade Iraq. I was literally protesting that with you guys but that doesn’t mean we can’t and shouldn’t criticize Russia’s of the Crimea.

451 darthstar  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:44:47am

re: #394 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS

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MH370 is still circling the planet, never running low on fuel, looking for the right moment and target to strike.

452 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:45:47am

re: #450 HappyWarrior

But yeah the moonbat left annoys the hell out of me. Yes, we were wrong to invade Iraq. I was literally protesting that with you guys but that doesn’t mean we can’t and shouldn’t criticize Russia’s of the Crimea.

I don’t even read half the stuff I used to because of that nonsense.

453 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:45:50am

re: #431 Charles Johnson

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Without getting into the rightness of the Iraq war, let me say that anyone who can’t see the difference between the internationally observed elections the US supervised and the exclusionary, shabby put-up job that happened yesterday in the Crimea is either blinded by anti-Americanism or is Putin’s stooge.

454 chadu  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:46:01am

re: #429 Varek Raith

True, true.
Ah the memories.

Wait, strike that.

The Mach 5 is still the best.

Proto-mecha!

455 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:46:47am

re: #454 chadu

Wait, strike that.

The >Mach 5 is still the best.

Proto-mecha!

Ha-ha!

456 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:47:57am

re: #452 Varek Raith

I don’t even read half the stuff I used to because of that nonsense.

I don’t post political stuff on my facebook in part because of it. Got a good college buddy who really qualifies as this. Nice guy but I swear to the allmighty he refuses to see that the far left can be as fucked up as the far right. I’ll convert him to moderate liberalism yet!

457 Chrysicat  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:49:19am

re: #446 Justanotherhuman

An “act of war”? What other country was involved? “War” presumes 2 countries are fighting it out over something.

[snip]

I’m a secularist who wants to keep religion and govt separate, just as the Constitution of this country says it should be. We either stick to it and become a diverse entity that welcomes people from all walks of life, from every country, every race, every religion (or non-religious), every other nationality, or we veer totally to the right and become isolationist and nationalist to the exclusion of everyone else on the planet. I’m afraid that is what some want and we’ve made too much progress to turn the clock back just because of small minds.

And a large number of us still believe you can be at war with an ideology, You can’t necessarily take it to their home turf like you can with a nation, but it can happen. Particularly when one declares war on us. And Al-Qaeda is an organized group that’s basically declared war on us. As long as our military can operate outside of our borders and our police forces can’t, they’ll be treated as though they’re at war with us, not like the counterfeiter down the street.

458 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:49:28am

I spy with my little eye…
A bug!

Charles, in my 455 I can still see a bracket from the bold code.

459 darthstar  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:50:17am
460 chadu  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:51:18am

re: #446 Justanotherhuman

An “act of war”? What other country was involved? “War” presumes 2 countries are fighting it out over something.

The trans-/multinational aspect of AQ terrorism is interesting; can it be used as an ersatz nationality in this calculation?

About as much as the varying countries of origin for European Crusaders (per Crusade) or European Explorers/Adventure-Traders in the 17thC+ — not really, but the shared aspects of ethos may say something.

Not sure if those nodules of ethos can be credibly targeted in a “war” though.

461 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:51:23am

So Glenn’s logic is because the US has done something bad in the past, we can’t ever be critical of other nations? Gee Glenn then why aren’t you applying that same logic to Russia. Oh wait, you’re a hack.

462 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:52:14am

re: #461 HappyWarrior

So Glenn’s logic is because the US has done something bad in the past, we can’t ever be critical of other nations? Gee Glenn then why aren’t you applying that same logic to Russia. Oh wait, you’re a hack.

NO ONE CAN DO ANYTHING EVER

463 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:52:44am

re: #461 HappyWarrior

So Glenn’s logic is because the US has done something bad in the past, we can’t ever be critical of other nations? Gee Glenn then why aren’t you applying that same logic to Russia. Oh wait, you’re a hack.

Something about the beam in one’s eye comes to mind here.

464 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:55:50am

re: #457 Chrysicat

And a large number of us still believe you can be at war with an ideology, You can’t necessarily take it to their home turf like you can with a nation, but it can happen. Particularly when one declares war on us. And Al-Qaeda is an organized group that’s basically declared war on us. As long as our military can operate outside of our borders and our police forces can’t, they’ll be treated as though they’re at war with us, not the counterfeiter down the street.

I have to disagree. Al Qaeda is about as organized as the white supremacist movement in the US is now. bin Laden, their financier and proto-leader, is dead, and so are many of their top chiefs. Now, if they actually were able to take over a country’s govt, we might have a real problem with them. There is where the real danger lies.

465 darthstar  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:56:39am

Downgraded that to a deleted tweet. I hate responding to that fucker as much as I dislike that fucker himself.

466 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:56:43am

re: #463 wheat-dogghazi

Something about the beam in one’s eye comes to mind here.

Impossible! Glenn Greenwald had his eyebrows styled professionally and I’ll have you know they’re FABULOUS!!

/.///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

467 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:57:13am

re: #461 HappyWarrior

So Glenn’s logic is because the US has done something bad in the past, we can’t ever be critical of other nations? Gee Glenn then why aren’t you applying that same logic to Russia. Oh wait, you’re a hack.

HURR HURR DON’T CRITICIZE ME FOR NEVER CRITICIZING TEH RUSSIANS!!!! SINCE WHEN DOES U CRITICIZE EVERY BAD THING THAT EVERYONE ELSE DOES ALL TEH TIME EVER!!!!!!! WHO CAN KEEP TRACK OF ALL THAT!!!!! I AM A MOAR BETTER JOURNALIST THEN U!!!!!!

468 darthstar  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:57:35am
469 chadu  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:57:44am

re: #455 Varek Raith

Ha-ha!

Was GMing a Robotech RPG game once in HS.

The PC pilots were out on the town when the Zentradi hoppers attacked. As they scrambled to get to the city defense mechs (since they’d obviously be more effective than the “National Guard” pilots there, oy, high school), they got blocked on a street by a pair of hoppers.

Then they heard an high-powered engine approaching, saw headlights in the distance approaching very fast , followed by the chockchockchock sound of autojacks engaging*. A pointy car with sawblades cut one hopper in half, in mid-air, then speared the second hopper through the cockpit with its nose.

They had just been rescued by Dr. Spritel Racer of the Robotech Institute of Engineering, driving the Mach 6.

Professor Racer became a go-to mad scientist/engineer NPC contact for the campaign.

;)

470 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:57:53am

re: #465 darthstar

Downgraded that to a deleted tweet. I hate responding to that fucker as much as I dislike that fucker himself.

He probably already blocked you anyway.

471 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:57:57am

A serious case of Whataboutism going around the intertoobz.

472 chadu  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:58:01am

BBL

473 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:58:20am

re: #468 darthstar

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Yes please.

474 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:58:50am

re: #468 darthstar

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It really is days like today that I wish Obama had asked Bush to hand over the weather machine when the latter left office. I mean it’s not like Bush even uses it considering Rick Perry was reduced to praying for rain in Texas.

475 ObserverArt  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 7:59:39am

I for one hope Greenwald continues with his snarky tweets. At the rate he is going, even the dudebros will tire of his crap. The more he types the more he loses the plot and makes it about him. Again…a real journalist is unknown to the story. Greenwald and Snowden are trying too hard to be the story and that will just makes them foolish. Folks will figure it out in time.

And with that…time to get some stuff done. I need to polish off my web site…but I am down to the hard part…selling myself. I have always had a rough time with that. Damn.

476 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:00:04am

re: #460 chadu

The trans-/multinational aspect of AQ terrorism is interesting; can it be used as an ersatz nationality in this calculation?

About as much as the varying countries of origin for European Crusaders (per Crusade) or European Explorers/Adventure-Traders in the 17thC+ — not really, but the shared aspects of ethos may say something.

Not sure if those nodules of ethos can be credibly targeted in a “war” though.

The best analogue might be a 19th Cent anti-piracy campaign. The totally rules out the Iraqi invasion, but could be stretched over Afghanistan and the drone strikes. Calling it a ‘war’ elevated the bad guys, who were a tiny minority of a minority. That’s like declaring war on a drug cartel. That was my thought as I watched the second tower come down, in a room full of Longbow pilots.

477 Internet Tough Guy  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:00:05am

re: #461 HappyWarrior

Glenn’s logic is that Glenn is the only one pure enough to determine who should be criticized for what and when.

478 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:00:09am

70 on Saturday.
7 inches of snow today.
WTF.

479 darthstar  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:00:20am

I’m all in favor of sanctions against Russia, but don’t revoke their work visas. I’d lose half of my QA team…

480 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:00:49am

Wingnuts think Ted Cruz will conquer Canada for them.

481 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:02:00am

re: #477 Internet Tough Guy

Glenn’s logic is that Glenn is the only one pure enough to determine who should be criticized for what and when.

Pretty much. I’m sick of his self-righteous bullshit. Yes, we’ve had our share of foreign policy fuckups to say the least but that doesn’t mean we can’t be critical of other countries. Hell if Glenn wants to play this game then Britain and Russia who were doing shit like this when we weren’t even a colony shouldn’t be able to talk but GG reserves his freakouts at US criticism only. He sucks.

482 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:02:06am

re: #480 Pie-onist Overlord

Heh.

483 b.d.  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:02:20am

Pierre must be so proud of his twitter troll hire.

484 Chrysicat  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:02:52am

re: #480 Pie-onist Overlord

re: #480 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts think Ted Cruz will conquer Canada for them.

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I can almost understand the ‘Alberta’ part. They’re enough ‘Texas of Canada’ to have put Harper into control up there. And if he thought he wouldn’t get rioters in the streets, he might try repealing Canadian Medicare, he’s so conservative-in-the-US-sense.

485 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:02:58am

re: #480 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts think Ted Cruz will conquer Canada for them.

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That’s part of Mexico too. Rich considering many of them accuse Mexican immigrants of supporting “reconquista.”

486 darthstar  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:03:15am

re: #470 Pie-onist Overlord

He probably already blocked you anyway.

I get to him via retweets…now that I’m calmer, I responded more gently.

487 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:03:21am

re: #458 Varek Raith

I spy with my little eye…
A bug!

Charles, in my 455 I can still see a bracket from the bold code.

No bug - that’s because you typed an extra closing bracket.

488 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:03:52am

re: #484 Chrysicat

I can almost understand the ‘Alberta’ part. They’re enough ‘Texas of Canada’ to have put Harper into control up there. And if he thought he wouldn’t get rioters in the streets, he might try repealing Canadian Medicare, he’s so conservative-in-the-US-sense.

Well I think the good wingnut would remember last time we tried to invade Canada. It did not end well.

489 darthstar  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:04:21am

re: #487 Charles Johnson

No bug - that’s because you typed an extra closing bracket.

Keyboard-chair interface bug.

490 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:04:29am

re: #488 HappyWarrior

Well I think the good wingnut would remember last time we tried to invade Canada. It did not end well.

54’40 or FIGHT never got to the Fight part.

491 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:05:03am

re: #487 Charles Johnson

No bug - that’s because you typed an extra closing bracket.

Derp.
I see it now.
Thanks.

492 darthstar  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:05:15am

It’s good to be Irish.


493 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:05:21am

re: #489 darthstar

Keyboard-chair interface bug.

Lies!

494 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:05:21am

re: #490 Pie-onist Overlord

54’40 or FIGHT never got to the Fight part.

We didn’t shine in 1812.

495 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:05:31am

re: #490 Pie-onist Overlord

54’40 or FIGHT never got to the Fight part.

I thought 54’40 or fight was the Polk years. I was actually talking about the failures in the War of 1812.

496 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:06:37am

re: #494 Decatur Deb

We didn’t shine in 1812.

Yep and from what I understand it sort of strained US-Canadian relations for some time.

497 Chrysicat  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:06:40am
498 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:07:38am

re: #495 HappyWarrior

I thought 54’40 or fight was the Polk years. I was actually talking about the failures in the War of 1812.

Here in Motown we learned that the War of 1812 was when Canada invaded US.

499 darthstar  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:08:22am
500 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:08:52am

re: #499 darthstar

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Oh this will end well.

501 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:09:04am

re: #498 Pie-onist Overlord

Here in Motown we learned that the War of 1812 was when Canada invaded US.

I have to read on the history again but I think we invaded first or in retaliation for that. Point though is people like Calhoun, Clay, and the other Warhawks (which is actually where the name has its origins I believe) wanted Canadian turf in the war.

502 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:09:18am

Detroit/Windsor is the only place where:
1. The major bridge is owned by one guy (Free Market!)
2. You have to go due South to reach Canada.
3. The non-US side is nicer than the US side.

503 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:09:31am

re: #499 darthstar

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Rob looks like he’s been hanging with Brendan Behan.

504 Chrysicat  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:10:40am

re: #483 b.d.

How does he have the time to write articles? I tweet almost as much as he does, I’m on the net almost full-time, and the longest thing I’ve ever had the chance to write since following Twitter so actively is that Page I put up a month ago.

Do they just have some reservoir of efficiency I don’t possess or something?

505 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:10:52am

re: #498 Pie-onist Overlord

Here in Motown we learned that the War of 1812 was when Canada invaded US.

Given that British forces in Canada captured Detroit in the War of 1812, that’s understandable.

506 darthstar  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:10:54am

re: #500 Varek Raith

Oh this will end well.

Gloriously.

507 jaunte  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:11:27am

re: #483 b.d.

Pierre must be so proud of his twitter troll hire.

How much time does GG spend on Twitter? There’s probably enough of a track record for Omidyar to know how much he’s spent per tweet.

508 darthstar  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:11:49am

re: #503 HappyWarrior

Rob looks like he’s been hanging with Brendan Behan.

He’s been waiting all year for St. Patrick’s day…they ought to move it up to January 2nd for cryin’ out loud. Out of my way…I’m thirsty!

509 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:11:52am

re: #505 Dark_Falcon

Given that British forces in Canada captured Detroit in the War of 1812, that’s understandable.

Detroiters begged them to stay, but they didn’t want to.

510 b.d.  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:12:08am

WAS OBAMA ASLEEP DURING THE CALIFORNIA EARTHQUAKE CRISIS?

511 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:12:42am

re: #508 darthstar

He’s been waiting all year for St. Patrick’s day…they ought to move it up to January 2nd for cryin’ out loud. Out of my way…I’m thirsty!

He only drinks two times and that’s when he’s thirsty and when he’s not.

512 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:13:17am

And it’s lend me ten pounds, buy me a drink, and mother wake me early in the morning.

513 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:13:34am

re: #499 darthstar

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He’s happy because today he can get drunk off his ass and rant away, and today that’s normal.

514 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:13:37am

re: #503 HappyWarrior

Rob looks like he’s been hanging with Brendan Behan.

Minus the poetics and high explosives.

515 Chrysicat  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:14:10am

re: #502 Pie-onist Overlord

Detroit/Windsor is the only place where:
1. The major bridge is owned by one guy (Free Market!)
2. You have to go due South to reach Canada.
3. The non-US side is nicer than the US side.

Blaine/Surrey probably begs to differ with you on point #3. Though admittedly, I’ve only gone Washington-to-BC on a ferry, so I can’t know for sure :-P

516 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:14:20am

re: #488 HappyWarrior

Well I think the good wingnut would remember last time we tried to invade Canada. It did not end well.

The Fenian Invasion of 1866 was a totally great for selling newspapers.

acsu.buffalo.edu

Some of my ancestors were involved in this event, so I was hearing the family stories since childhood.

517 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:14:34am

re: #514 Decatur Deb

Minus the poetics and high explosives.

And great phrases about drunkeness. The drinking only on two ocassions is a variation of Brendan’s famous “I only drink two times, when I’m thirsty and when I’m not.”

518 Lancelot Link  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:14:58am

re: #504 Chrysicat

Cocaine, i think.

519 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:15:22am

re: #516 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Fenian Invasion of 1866 was a totally great for selling newspapers.

acsu.buffalo.edu

Some of my ancestors were involved in this event, so I was hearing the family stories since childhood.

Oh yeah, I have heard about that. That’s right around the time my Irish relations emigrated actually since my great grandfather born 1874 was the first American in the Irish side.

520 Skip Intro  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:16:02am

re: #281 Varek Raith

It’s just two pieces of metal. I don’t understand the religious treatment it’s getting.

God showed his mercy by killing 3000 people, and as his calling card he left behind this cross.

We must be grateful.

521 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:16:22am

re: #511 HappyWarrior

He only drinks two times and that’s when he’s thirsty and when he’s not.

Rob Ford is also happy because happy because he no longer has to bear the title of Canada’s Biggest Embarrassment, having ceded that title to Justin Bieber.

522 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:17:00am

re: #516 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Fenian Invasion of 1866 was a totally great for selling newspapers.

acsu.buffalo.edu

Some of my ancestors were involved in this event, so I was hearing the family stories since childhood.

One of my relatives too, perhaps—a demobed Civil War general.

523 Chrysicat  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:17:03am

re: #518 Lancelot Link

Yeah, but that just lengthens both the time you’re up and the time you’re crashed-out and completely insensate, doesn’t it?

524 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:17:26am

re: #516 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Fenian Invasion of 1866 was a totally great for selling newspapers.

acsu.buffalo.edu

Some of my ancestors were involved in this event, so I was hearing the family stories since childhood.

A very appropriate reference for today.

525 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:17:55am

re: #521 Dark_Falcon

Rob Ford is also happy because happy because he no longer has to bear the title of Canada’s Biggest Embarrassment, having ceded that title to Justin Bieber.

Well he still qualifies since I’d say conservative guess he’s got 100 pounds on Biebs but yeah I used to think that Bieber hatred was over the top but that kid’s a little punkass.

526 Skip Intro  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:18:02am

re: #287 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I also really, really, really don’t get the logic of the religious people on this one, either.

More than three thousand people died, some in agony and fear, and god signed his name to it? Wouldn’t that make God a horrible, horrible, vicious and evil being? Tagging the scene of an atrocity.

That’s the god Fred Phelps worships, and a lot of others do too, it seems.

527 Chrysicat  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:18:35am

re: #515 Chrysicat

Oh, and Niagara Falls also begs to differ on point #3 :-P

528 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:19:30am

re: #504 Chrysicat

How does he have the time to write articles? I tweet almost as much as he does, I’m on the net almost full-time, and the longest thing I’ve ever had the chance to write since following Twitter so actively is that Page I put up a month ago.

Do they just have some reservoir of efficiency I don’t possess or something?

No, you probably don’t have assistants. You’re not the Big Cheesey.

529 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:19:52am

Hey, DF, be sure to check out my latest page. It’s … entertaining ;)

530 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:20:58am

And we’ll all go together
To pull wild mountain thyme
All around the blooming heather,
Will you go, lassie, go?

531 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:22:21am

re: #524 Dark_Falcon

A very appropriate reference for today.

The soundtrack:

Youtube Video

532 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:24:30am

re: #531 Decatur Deb

The soundtrack:

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I always think of my grandmother when I hear that song since it’s an old woman singing the song that the song’s narrator speaks of. My Irish heritage comes from her side of the family. Still have her photobook on Ireland that she purchased in the early 70’s.

533 Gus  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:26:44am

Hell-o

534 Weet  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:27:26am
535 Gus  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:29:00am

The MH370 clusterfuck continues. Yesterday they refused the FBI’s help. Today they’re thinking about suicide in the press. No something about Malaysia Airlines “looking into tightening recruiting standards.” Malaysia Airlines stopped talking with families because it’s now a criminal investigation. Oh, and still no 777. I officially declare this Malaysian investigation a farce.

536 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:29:02am

re: #534 Weet

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Alex Jones just had a day wet dream.

537 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:30:51am

My favorite Irish song.

We were born before the wind
Also younger than the sun
Ere the bonnie boat was won as we sailed into the mystic
Hark, now hear the sailors cry
Smell the sea and feel the sky
Let your soul and spirit fly into the mystic

And when that fog horn blows I will be coming home
And when the fog horn blows I want to hear it
I don’t have to fear it

And I want to rock your gypsy soul
Just like way back in the days of old
And magnificently we will flow into the mystic

Youtube Video

538 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:30:59am
539 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:33:46am

re: #531 Decatur Deb

The soundtrack:

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The Fenians’ actions were problematic and often quite wrong, but their cause was fairly just. And there’s no doubt the American Civil War had at the time raised Irish Republican (‘Republican’ in the Ireland sense) spirits greatly, for the defeat of the Confederacy had shown that nasty and exploitative systems could be taken down and the Union had trained many men of Irish origin for war and was now with peace awash in surplus guns.

It wasn’t just the the sons of Erin who liked the idea of going after Canada. Some Union regiments (from Michigan and the other states bordering Canada especially) added an extra verse to Yankee Doodle:

Secession he would first put down,
Wholly and for-ever!
And then from England’s crown,
He Canada would se-ver!

540 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:35:42am

re: #539 Dark_Falcon

The Fenians’ actions were problematic and often quite wrong, but their cause was fairly just. And there’s no doubt the American Civil War had at the time raised Irish Republican (‘Republican’ in the Ireland sense) spirits greatly, for the defeat of the Confederacy had shown that nasty and exploitative systems could be taken down and the Union had trained many men of Irish origin for war and was now with peace awash in surplus guns.

It wasn’t just the the sons of Erin who liked the idea of going after Canada. Some Union regiments (from Michigan and the other states bordering Canada especially) added an extra verse to Yankee Doodle:

The Dominion of Canada was established in 1867. Did the Fenian invasion take place before or after that event?

541 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:36:23am

re: #538 Charles Johnson

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Fucking Tectonic Plates, how do they work?

/ICP fits well here, since Glenn Greenwald is surely beclowning himself today.

542 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:37:01am

The ships pull into port
Where they are going isn’t certain
Only thing certain is their departure
Women and children wave sorrowful goodbyes
Not knowing if it is the last they’ll see of those aboard
Aboard ships strong and weak
Ships that will be lost and ships that will find their way
Words left unsaid and nothing a certainty
Ships will sail this day as they always do
The smell of the sea in a port town
And the sailors drunk on rum and excitement
Then the ship departs for sea
And we say farewell to these wild geese

543 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:37:41am

re: #540 Pie-onist Overlord

The Dominion of Canada was established in 1867. Did the Fenian invasion take place before or after that event?

Fenian Invasion was in June of 1866.

544 b.d.  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:38:29am

re: #541 Dark_Falcon

Fucking Tectonic Plates, how do they work?

/ICP fits well here, since Glenn Greenwald is surely beclowning himself today.

I fully expect a NSA spies on Ireland story from him today, it being St. Patrick’s Day and all.

545 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:42:08am

re: #540 Pie-onist Overlord

The Dominion of Canada was established in 1867. Did the Fenian invasion take place before or after that event?

In part as a reaction to the first Fenian invasion. The Fenian raids were stopped in 1867-68 by the bringing of US federal troops under Gen. George Gordon Meade. As the former commander of the Army of the Potomac, and the victor of Gettysburg, Meade still commanded great respect among the men of the Fenian Brotherhood. They would not challenge lines of defense sited by Meade and built under his supervision, for they had seen such lines stop Robert E. Lee with heavy losses.

Note: The lauding of Meade here is also intended to serve as a counter to the Neo-Confederates, a reminder that Meade beat Lee soundly.

546 Skip Intro  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:42:20am

CA A.G. candidate Orly Taitz issues ultimatum to NASA (and a shitload of other agencies as well) to disclose the location of Flight MH 370 OR ELSE!!!

“Please, first thing tomorrow morning call every congressmen, demand release of the US NASA, NSA, CIA, DHS, FBI data relevant to this hijacked plane MH 370. US has the most sophisticated surveillance. I believe that all of the above U.S. agencies have the information on the whereabouts of this plane and hostages. If they do not open their mouth and talk, sooner or later they will be prosecuted for aiding and abetting in hijacking.”

orlytaitzesq.com

547 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:43:15am

poetry-archive.com
My favorite Yeats poem. Not as political as say Easter 1916 nor the fantasy as The Stolen Child but it makes me think of my grandmother whose grandparents were from Galway and who raised horses in her later years.

548 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:46:08am

re: #545 Dark_Falcon

Meade & Thomas. The two most consistently underrated generals of the ACW.

549 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:46:44am

re: #545 Dark_Falcon

In part as a reaction to the first Fenian invasion. The Fenian raids were stopped in 1867-68 by the bringing of US federal troops under Gen. George Gordon Meade. As the former commander of the Army of the Potomac, and the victor of Gettysburg, Meade still commanded great respect among the men of the Fenian Brotherhood. They would not challenge lines of defense sited by Meade and built under his supervision, for they had seen such lines stop Robert E. Lee with heavy losses.

Note: The lauding of Meade here is also intended to serve as a counter to the Neo-Confederates, a reminder that Meade beat Lee soundly.

Meade doesn’t get enough love IMO. Maybe he wasn’t the general that Grant was but he held on to his own at Gettysburg.

550 Dr. Matt  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:46:56am

re: #546 Skip Intro

CA A.G. candidate Orly Taitz issues ultimatum to NASA (and a shitload of other agencies as well) to disclose the location of Flight MH 370 >OR ELSE!!!

orlytaitzesq.com

Flight MH 370 was carrying Obama’s kenyan birth certificate and was shot down by secret US missile launcher located on the moon surface.

551 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:47:45am

re: #548 William Barnett-Lewis

Meade & Thomas. The two most consistently underrated generals of the ACW.

I always bring up Thomas as a counterpoint to Lee. Thomas was a Virginian and a Union man. Hell the state of West Virginia owes its existence to Shenandoah unionists. I’ll always defend West Virginia against charges of backwardness knowing that.

552 darthstar  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:50:36am
553 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:51:28am

re: #547 HappyWarrior

poetry-archive.com
My favorite Yeats poem. Not as political as say Easter 1916 nor the fantasy as The Stolen Child but it makes me think of my grandmother whose grandparents were from Galway and who raised horses in her later years.

Van Morrison says one of his poetic influences is Yeats. I think that comes out in his songwriting, too. He may have been born in Belfast and raised there, but he has a home near Dublin. He’ll always be one of my favorites.
: )

554 Weet  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:51:41am
555 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:52:01am

re: #534 Weet

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OMG…the Ad is coming true!

556 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:52:09am

Alright, I’m done.
No more shoveling snow this winter.
Winter won.

557 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:52:28am

re: #554 Weet

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It’s a trick question…

558 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:53:22am

re: #552 darthstar

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Sigh….

559 darthstar  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:53:24am

re: #546 Skip Intro

CA A.G. candidate Orly Taitz issues ultimatum to NASA (and a shitload of other agencies as well) to disclose the location of Flight MH 370 >OR ELSE!!!

orlytaitzesq.com

Try tweeting that from her page…she can’t count to 140.

560 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:53:40am

re: #553 Justanotherhuman

Van Morrison says one of his poetic influences is Yeats. I think that comes out in his songwriting, too. He may have been born in Belfast and raised there, but he has a home near Dublin. He’ll always be one of my favorites.
: )

Well Yeats’ native Sligo is closer to Belfast than Dublin. I fell in love with Yeats poetry when I studied in Ireland. My 542 is something I wrote by the way. Very Yeats inspired.

561 Dr. Matt  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:54:07am

Ockham is scratching his head with his Razor and tweeting “WTF?”

562 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:54:45am

re: #554 Weet

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3.2
Next!

563 darthstar  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:54:53am

re: #554 Weet

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Ooh, ooh…I know! 4.7!

564 Gus  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:56:12am

re: #552 darthstar

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565 jaunte  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:56:14am

Typed on Jefferson’s own typewriter!

566 brennant  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:56:45am

re: #534 Weet

Everyone knows this ad is a fake, right?

Excellent job putting an AB A380 instead of the 777 tho.

567 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:57:20am

568 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:57:26am

re: #564 Gus

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Aliens converted the Irish to Christianity and introduced whiskey. There I’ve got the History Channel’s St. Patrick’s Day programming.

569 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:57:27am

re: #549 HappyWarrior

Meade doesn’t get enough love IMO. Maybe he wasn’t the general that Grant was but he held on to his own at Gettysburg.

Meade wasn’t Lee’s equal at battles of maneuver, but he did not try to match Lee in such a battle. Instead he fought a defensive battle on the 2nd and 3rd days of Gettysburg and forced Lee to attack him in a strong position.

570 kirkspencer  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:57:35am

re: #554 Weet

‘Depends on your standard for 10’
‘1’
‘4.7’
‘4’
… and a host of really, really snarky responses most of you have already started on.

571 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:57:40am

re: #564 Gus

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I love that guy.

572 geoffm33  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:58:17am

re: #554 Weet

Isn’t that a valid (although odd sounding) question? The richter scale is a logarithmic scale. Where on a scale of 1 to 10, a 4.7 isn’t a 10% increase over a 3.7

573 kirkspencer  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:58:40am

re: #569 Dark_Falcon

Meade wasn’t Lee’s equal at battles of maneuver, but he did not try to match Lee in such a battle. Instead he fought a defensive battle on the 2nd and 3rd days of Gettysburg and forced Lee to attack him in a strong position.

Lee wasn’t Lee’s Reputation’s equal at battles of maneuver.

574 Gus  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:58:56am

re: #571 Varek Raith

I love that guy.

575 calochortus  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:59:20am

re: #554 Weet

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The Richter scale is logarithmic, so on a standard 1-10 scale, it’s really not 4.7

576 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:59:29am

re: #569 Dark_Falcon

Meade wasn’t Lee’s equal at battles of maneuver, but he did not try to match Lee in such a battle. Instead he fought a defensive battle on the 2nd and 3rd days of Gettysburg and forced Lee to attack him in a strong position.

Yep and that ultimately forced Pickett’s charge which one could say changed the war.

577 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:59:42am

re: #572 geoffm33

Isn’t that a valid (although odd sounding) question? The richter scale is a logarithmic scale. Where on a scale of 1 to 10, a 4.7 isn’t a 10% increseover a 3.7

6.7209785794/10

578 calochortus  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:00:13am

re: #572 geoffm33

I would have beat you to it if I had been able to type accurately (or not corrected my typos)!

579 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:00:36am

Post withdrawn.

580 Dr. Matt  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:00:57am

On an unrelated note, last night’s Walking Dead was a serious “WTF!!!?” Talk about a ballsy ending.

581 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:01:17am

@AFPFMissouri followed you

Should block or just not follow back? It’s just another Koch shill sockpuppet.

582 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:01:28am
583 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:02:00am

re: #574 Gus

[Embedded content]

I Hate Space Nazis!

584 Gus  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:02:27am

Oops.

585 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:02:43am

re: #584 Gus

Oops.

What’d you break?

586 Chrysicat  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:03:25am

re: #579 Dark_Falcon

[Embedded image]

Not really, thanks to the ‘logarithmic scale’ thing.

Actually, thanks to that, and most Americans only understanding an arithmetic scale, the question is probably one of the best you could possibly ask. Though maybe phrased in a way a little less likely to garner snark.

Or were you putting the meme up for the person tweeting it as though it were a silly question?

587 Gus  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:03:33am

re: #585 Varek Raith

What’d you break?

588 jaunte  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:03:58am

re: #587 Gus

Oops!

589 jaunte  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:04:23am

Need more coffee.

590 Skip Intro  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:04:43am

re: #559 darthstar

Try tweeting that from her page…she can’t count to 140.
[Embedded image]

Unless another Teabagger enters the race, Orly will have the Grand Old Tea Party vote wrapped up, and it’s within possibility that she could come in second in the A.G. race.

From past experience, we know if she doesn’t she’ll sue whoever does, as well as the CA Sec of State, , and every agency she can fit into 140 characters.

591 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:04:53am

re: #581 Pie-onist Overlord

@AFPFMissouri followed you

Should block or just not follow back? It’s just another Koch shill sockpuppet.

Unless someone is behaving abusively or is just nasty, I say let them follow. A flaming liberal or a Tea Partier can follow me as long as they behave themselves. Blocks are for people who act like assholes.

592 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:05:09am

re: #560 HappyWarrior

Well Yeats’ native Sligo is closer to Belfast than Dublin. I fell in love with Yeats poetry when I studied in Ireland. My 542 is something I wrote by the way. Very Yeats inspired.

Thanks, I enjoyed that very much. You’re in good company. : )

593 Gus  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:06:16am

Oh well. Debunking in 5 minutes or so is actually pretty good. :D

594 geoffm33  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:06:41am

re: #580 Dr. Matt

On an unrelated note, last night’s Walking Dead was a serious “WTF!!!?” Talk about a ballsy ending.

Yep. Saw this posted somewhere else, but was my reaction to the Lizzie - Mika incident.

Youtube Video

595 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:06:52am

re: #586 Chrysicat

Not really, thanks to the ‘logarithmic scale’ thing.

Actually, thanks to that, and most Americans only understanding an arithmetic scale, the question is probably one of the best you could possibly ask. Though maybe phrased in a way a little less likely to garner snark.

Or were you putting the meme up for the person tweeting it as though it were a silly question?

Point taken, post withdrawn.

596 Gus  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:07:28am
597 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:07:32am

re: #591 Dark_Falcon

Unless someone is behaving abusively or is just nasty, I say let them follow. A flaming liberal or a Tea Partier can follow me as long as they behave themselves. Blocks are for people who act like assholes.

I allow a few followers that I don’t follow back, but if I have any sense of creep or jerk, I’ll block and then unblock, which removes them from my followers and then removes the block.

598 jaunte  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:07:35am

re: #593 Gus

Searching for chagrin button.

599 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:08:11am

re: #580 Dr. Matt

On an unrelated note, last night’s Walking Dead was a serious “WTF!!!?” Talk about a ballsy ending.

They did a good job on this episode. When the writers break from their usual plot crutches it’s actually a suspenseful show. Usually I can predict what’s going to happen but last night was interesting.

600 Gus  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:08:17am

re: #598 jaunte

Searching for chagrin button.

My glasses! My glasses! Where did I put mah glasses?!?!

601 Gus  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:08:38am

[CRUNCH]

So that’s where I put mah glasses.

602 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:08:57am

re: #598 jaunte

Searching for chagrin button.

If you can’t ding yourself up, you can’t ding yourself down. You’ll have to ask the rest of us to do it.

603 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:10:28am

Did Syrian Hackers Dig Deep Into US Military Secrets?

On March 14, the Syrian Electronic Army said it made good on a threat from earlier this month by posting a screen shot of what it says are more than 21,000 documents belonging to U.S. Central Command, also known as CENTCOM, which is responsible for overseeing military operations in the Middle East and other parts of Asia. The screen shot also includes document folders pertaining to several Air Force programs.

“Operation targeting #CENTCOM are now in motion due to Obama’s decision to attack #Syria with electronic warfare,” the group, which is supportive of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, said on its Twitter page. “This is part of an on-going operation and we have already successfully penetrated many central repositories.”

604 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:12:05am

re: #597 wrenchwench

Been saving this for you!

605 Skip Intro  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:12:54am

re: #587 Gus

[Embedded content]

That’s an amazingly well done fake ad.

606 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:12:59am

re: #604 Backwoods_Sleuth

Been saving this for you!

[Embedded content]

Thanks! I faved it right there!

607 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:13:09am

I looked up the background of “Janie Johnson” who posts all that bullshit derp. She is a former tennis pro who is married to a house flipper.

The youngest of nine children and the mother of four, Janie Johnson ranked number one in the United States as a junior tennis player. She received distinction as a three-time All American and Pac Ten Champion at UCLA, and as a former top one hundred professional who competed in all four Grand Slams—Wimbledon, French Open, Australian Open and the US Open. Her extensive travels around the world, as a professional tennis player, helped to inform her political philosophy.

Since leaving the professional tennis circuit, Janie has devoted herself to raising her children and believes that everyday people can and must make a difference in our country. Her brand of Common Sense Conservatism focuses on children, patriotism, and optimism. She is an informed voter who cares deeply about our country and its founding principles. She represents all of those who have not been particularly involved in the political process until recent events.

Though a registered Republican, Janie is displeased with nearly all politicians, including many Republicans. Her values are consistent with the Constitution and the notions of our founding fathers. Her book is written for everyday Americans by an everyday American.

Janie’s husband, C. Ray Johnson, is an entrepreneur, a real estate investor, a turnaround specialist, and a former Fortune 500 company President. He has authored a best selling business book, CEO Logic. Janie lives with her husband and their four sons in Northern Nevada. She is a graduate of UCLA with a Bachelor of Arts degree in English.

So, grew up rich, devoted all her time to playing a game (because professional tennis is an expensive sport) and never did the bootstrap thing.

608 kirkspencer  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:13:11am

re: #576 HappyWarrior

Yep and that ultimately forced Pickett’s charge which one could say changed the war.

Pickett’s charge didn’t change the war to any significant degree.

The core problem is that the leadership of the confederacy failed at strategic thinking, and it was reflected in Lee who was a better than average operational commander but failed on the strategic level.

The south was economically and logistically weaker than the north. It held a (slightly) greater edge in initial manpower and interior lines so long as it fought a defensive war.

Yet the south’s leadership (from the top down through Lee and further) suffered not only from a Gideon fallacy complex but also thought so poorly of the north’s morale and principle that they believed just taking the capital would be sufficient to bring the war to an end with them the victors. This despite the experience of the nation in the war of 1812.

As a result instead of fighting a war of maneuver within heavy lines of defense (allowing the North to extend, then lopping off that extension, something Lee won consistently with repetive ease) Lee kept leading forces north and getting slapped. Worse, he kept losing significant quantities of critical assets of which the enemy had more.

609 Gus  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:14:20am

re: #607 Pie-onist Overlord

I looked up the background of “Janie Johnson” who posts all that bullshit derp. She is a former tennis pro who is married to a house flipper.

So, grew up rich, devoted all her time to playing a game (because professional tennis is an expensive sport) and never did the bootstrap thing.

Ha! So Janie doesn’t know the meaning of the word work unless it involves say tennis practice. Weak.

610 jaunte  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:15:40am

re: #607 Pie-onist Overlord

Her extensive travels around the world, as a professional tennis player, helped to inform her political philosophy.

Nice bubble.

611 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:17:42am
Janie’s husband, C. Ray Johnson, is an entrepreneur, a real estate investor, a turnaround specialist, and a former Fortune 500 company President.

A house flipper who helped cause the 2008 crash.

THANKS HEAPS JANIE.

612 ericblair  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:18:12am

re: #445 HappyWarrior

Well it’s more:
“Russia can invade Crimea and you should shut up about it because Iraq.”
Because pre-school logic is so good. Mommy, he started it!

From what I understand, this is apparently how the Russian leadership thinks. The West got to screw with Kosovo, so we get to mess with Ossetia. The US got to invade Iraq, so we get to invade Ukraine.

Since the vast majority of the world’s population considers the invasion of Iraq to be somewhere between a colossal fuckup and a war crime, it seems kind of stupid to deliberately compare your “liberation” to somebody else’s disaster.

613 Dr. Matt  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:19:01am

re: #599 Killgore Trout

They did a good job on this episode. When the writers break from their usual plot crutches it’s actually a suspenseful show. Usually I can predict what’s going to happen but last night was interesting.

I agree. This is one of the most memorable and emotional episodes out of the first 4 seasons.

614 Gus  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:19:28am

Janie Johnson probably never had a lemonade stand in her life. Let alone needing one other than for fun maybe.

615 Gus  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:21:08am

re: #611 Pie-onist Overlord

A house flipper who helped cause the 2008 crash.

THANKS HEAPS JANIE.

So she’s likely fucking off on Twitter all day long and not having to work not one single hour during the week. IOW, she doesn’t need to EARN a living.

616 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:21:16am

re: #614 Gus

Janie Johnson probably never had a lemonade stand in her life. Let alone needing one other than for fun maybe.

Janie probably thinks that lame Verizon commercial is a documentary.

617 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:22:15am

re: #615 Gus

So she’s likely fucking off on Twitter all day long and not having to work not one single hour during the week. IOW, she doesn’t need to EARN a living.

I have two monitors so I can fuck off on LGF and complete my assignments at the same time. EFFICIENCY.

618 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:22:58am

re: #617 Pie-onist Overlord

I have two monitors so I can fuck off on LGF and complete my assignments at the same time. EFFICIENCY.

Sorcery.

619 Minor_L  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:23:35am

Shorter Greenwald: “I’m rubber, you’re glue!”

His lack of sophistication would be entertaining if his dishonesty weren’t so dangerous.

(Also, it appears that he literally believes that no one who lives in the US can ever criticize another country for anything, ever. That kind of black and white thinking is another demonstration of his lack of sophistication.)

620 Weet  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:26:08am
621 darthstar  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:27:05am
622 Chrysicat  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:27:51am

re: #609 Gus

Ha! So Janie doesn’t know the meaning of the word work unless it involves say tennis practice. Weak.

I ‘unno, she managed a degree in English, where I’ve tried college repeatedly and flunked out just as repeatedly…

623 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:28:22am

It looks to me like Janie has NO BUSINESS telling others to do that bootstrap thing, since everything in her life was handed on a silver plate.

She says she is one of 9 children.

I raised 9 children AND NONE OF THEM GOT PRIVATE TRAINING IN ANY KIND OF SPORTSBALL.

My sons played baseball and hockey at the local parks & rec league, and they had borrowed or used equipment.

624 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:29:35am

re: #623 Pie-onist Overlord

It looks to me like Janie has NO BUSINESS telling others to do that bootstrap thing, since everything in her life was handed on a silver plate.

She says she is one of 9 children.

I raised 9 children AND NONE OF THEM GOT PRIVATE TRAINING IN ANY KIND OF SPORTSBALL.

My sons played baseball and hockey at the local parks & rec league, and they had borrowed or used equipment.

It’s very easy to lecture others about pulling themselves up when you’ve had a lot of advantages. The old adage, born on third, thinks he hit a triple applies quite well to Janie here.

625 jaunte  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:29:52am

Navy SEALs Take Back Seized Libyan Oil Tanker

A team of navy SEALs boarded and took control of an oil tanker in the Mediterranean Sea on Sunday night after the vessel was seized by armed Libyans, the Pentagon said.

626 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:29:56am

re: #603 Killgore Trout

Did Syrian Hackers Dig Deep Into US Military Secrets?

Haha, more than likely they hacked Greensnow.

627 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:31:43am

Is Fred Phelps dead yet? Should we start a Death Watch Pool?

628 Dr. Matt  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:32:17am

re: #627 Pie-onist Overlord

Is Fred Phelps dead yet? Should we start a Death Watch Pool?

He’s been morally dead for decades.

629 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:33:02am

re: #621 darthstar

[Embedded content]

There’s always room for Yoda at a St. Patrick’s Day party. He’s a pleasant fellow and his ability to use the force to pour his own drinks is pretty cool.

/Stay on Target!

630 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:33:21am

re: #627 Pie-onist Overlord

Is Fred Phelps dead yet? Should we start a Death Watch Pool?

We should demonstrate our moral ascendancy by wishing that he be called to meet and answer to his maker…

631 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:33:53am

re: #629 Dark_Falcon

There’s always room for Yoda at a St. Patrick’s Day party. He’s a pleasant fellow and his ability to use the force to pour his own drinks is pretty cool.

/Stay on Target!

Now that would make him the perfect wingman. Plus no offense to Yoda, he’s not the best looking guy either but he’s interesting for at least a conversation so yeah good wingman.

632 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:34:19am

re: #627 Pie-onist Overlord

Is Fred Phelps dead yet? Should we start a Death Watch Pool?

That’s rather unseemly. i thought it was bad form to gloat at the impending death of another person.

633 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:34:29am

re: #626 Justanotherhuman

Haha, more than likely they hacked Greensnow.

I don’t know about that but whatever the Russians have learned about our vulnerabilities from Snowden they have surely shared with the Syrians (and Iranians too). It’s a security nightmare.

634 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:34:40am

Did you hear about the two gay Irishmen?

-Gerald Fitzpatrick and Patrick Fitzgerald!

635 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:35:27am

re: #631 HappyWarrior

Now that would make him the perfect wingman. Plus no offense to Yoda, he’s not the best looking guy either but he’s interesting for at least a conversation so yeah good wingman.

Wingman in a bar only. He didn’t fly fighters. :)

636 darthstar  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:36:09am
637 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:36:19am

re: #635 Dark_Falcon

Wingman in a bar only. He didn’t fly fighters. :)

Well that’s what I mean. Day I get my pilot’s license is the day ATC towers everywhere tremble with fear.

638 b.d.  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:36:26am

re: #633 Killgore Trout

I don’t know about that but whatever the Russians have learned about our vulnerabilities from Snowden they have surely shared with the Syrians (and Iranians too). It’s a security nightmare.

Leave the Syrian Electronic Army alone! They are just letting us know what the ebil US govt. is doing, they are doing us a favor!!

639 Gus  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:37:08am

re: #636 darthstar

[Embedded content]

The people that say McCain was a liar and traitor during the Vietnam war are either a) super wingnuts or b) major assholes. No thanks.

640 Gus  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:37:55am

Cripes. Almost time to split.

641 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:39:14am

re: #640 Gus

Cripes. Almost time to split.

Sounds painful.

642 Gus  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:39:26am

Fucking McCain conspiracy theories are dumb. Fuck off with that shit.

643 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:40:45am
644 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:42:01am

re: #634 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Did you hear about the two gay Irishmen?

-Gerald Fitzpatrick and Patrick Fitzgerald!

Patrick Fitzgerald is the former US Attorney who prosecuted Conrad Black and Ron Blagojevich.

645 Chrysicat  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:42:17am

re: #639 Gus

The people that say McCain was a liar and traitor during the Vietnam war are either a) super wingnuts or b) major assholes. No thanks.

(b) in this case. He’s responding to—and supporting—a supportive tweet of a dudebro article basically saying that any sane Ukrainian wants their country to be a Russian puppet republic, for only there could they be socially and economically stable.

646 darthstar  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:42:42am

re: #642 Gus

Fucking McCain conspiracy theories are dumb. Fuck off with that shit.

If it’s on the internet, it could be true.
//

I don’t doubt his time in the Hanoi Hilton and that he suffered. But he wasn’t exactly a great pilot…that much is true.

And he’s proven himself to be a coward later in life (see 2000, 2004 Bush hugs after getting screwed by Bush)…Party first, I guess. He should have just retired in 2010.

647 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:42:57am

re: #644 Dark_Falcon

Patrick Fitzgerald is the former US Attorney who prosecuted Conrad Black and Ron Blagojevich.

And the two Gay Scotsmen?

-Ben Dover and Phillip McCavitty!

648 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:43:41am

re: #607 Pie-onist Overlord

I looked up the background of “Janie Johnson” who posts all that bullshit derp. She is a former tennis pro who is married to a house flipper.

So, grew up rich, devoted all her time to playing a game (because professional tennis is an expensive sport) and never did the bootstrap thing.

Northern Nevada—doesn’t that border on white supremacist country? How connected are the Johnsons to Rachel, NV?

freakoutnation.com

649 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:43:59am

re: #639 Gus

The people that say McCain was a liar and traitor during the Vietnam war are either a) super wingnuts or b) major assholes. No thanks.

There’s a good reason Barack Obama avoided that shit in 2008 and wouldn’t use it in his campaign: He knew it would make him look like a conspiratorial asshole.

650 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:45:05am

re: #631 HappyWarrior

Now that would make him the perfect wingman. Plus no offense to Yoda, he’s not the best looking guy either but he’s interesting for at least a conversation so yeah good wingman.

Yoda’s face graces the trunk of my grandson’s 96 red T-bird, along with “May the force be with you.”

651 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:46:26am

re: #648 Justanotherhuman

Northern Nevada—doesn’t that border on white supremacist country? How connected are the Johnsons to Rachel, NV?

freakoutnation.com

I have only ever seen her Tweet FUCK YOU I GOT MINE hating on poor people shit & the usual HURR HURR DEMS IS TEH RACISTS 150 YEARS AGO!!!! but have never seen outright white supremacist shit.

652 Dr. Matt  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:47:25am

re: #625 jaunte

Navy SEALs Take Back Seized Libyan Oil Tanker

This yet another carefully crafted distraction from Benghazi.

653 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:48:07am

re: #643 Pie-onist Overlord

The Languages of Twitter Users

Chinese has sure taken a dive. I bet Russian does next.

654 calochortus  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:49:43am

re: #648 Justanotherhuman

Northern Nevada—doesn’t that border on white supremacist country? How connected are the Johnsons to Rachel, NV?

freakoutnation.com

Rachel is in southern-ish NV IIRC

655 kirkspencer  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:50:39am

re: #623 Pie-onist Overlord

It looks to me like Janie has NO BUSINESS telling others to do that bootstrap thing, since everything in her life was handed on a silver plate.

She says she is one of 9 children.

I raised 9 children AND NONE OF THEM GOT PRIVATE TRAINING IN ANY KIND OF SPORTSBALL.

My sons played baseball and hockey at the local parks & rec league, and they had borrowed or used equipment.

On the other hand…

In the late 1960s and early 1970s there was a big tennis push in parts of the US. Sufficient that a boy, one of four, son of a middle class airline worker, could learn to play tennis. Sufficient that a display of talent meant the coach would allow him into small group and individual training for free. Now this boy (looking in mirror) was lazy and did not continue this golden opportunity. But a couple of my peers, one of whom was the sixth child in his family of seven, who’s parents made less than mine, went on to do well enough for college scholarships. I know one flirted with being a pro but wasn’t quite good enough to stay in that circuit.

As another example consider the Williams sisters, of dual income middle class background.

The point is that getting a break can make up for not being wealthy. Unless and until I see information about her family’s wealth I refuse to claim she was born with a silver spoon just because she got this sort of training. It happens - breaks happen.

I don’t know that’s her case - she may indeed be the spoiled child of privilege. What I know is your claim she could not have had these breaks without being rich is mistaken.

656 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:50:59am

re: #645 Chrysicat

(b) in this case. He’s responding to—and supporting—a supportive tweet of a dudebro article basically saying that any sane Ukrainian wants their country to be a Russian puppet republic, for only there could they be socially and economically stable.

It’s the Russian line that says “John McCain is evil because he has spent his life trying to thwart Russia’s Glorious Destiny”. Regardless of your party, the proper answer to that is derision.

657 Chrysicat  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:57:05am

fivethirtyeight.com is live. Apparently they’re a subsidiary of a subsidiary this time, under the auspices of ESPN. Nate looks to mainly be going for the sports side himself.

658 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:57:09am

re: #655 kirkspencer

On the other hand…

In the late 1960s and early 1970s there was a big tennis push in parts of the US. Sufficient that a boy, one of four, son of a middle class airline worker, could learn to play tennis. Sufficient that a display of talent meant the coach would allow him into small group and individual training for free. Now this boy (looking in mirror) was lazy and did not continue this golden opportunity. But a couple of my peers, one of whom was the sixth child in his family of seven, who’s parents made less than mine, went on to do well enough for college scholarships. I know one flirted with being a pro but wasn’t quite good enough to stay in that circuit.

As another example consider the Williams sisters, of dual income middle class background.

The point is that getting a break can make up for not being wealthy. Unless and until I see information about her family’s wealth I refuse to claim she was born with a silver spoon just because she got this sort of training. It happens - breaks happen.

I don’t know that’s her case - she may indeed be the spoiled child of privilege. What I know is your claim she could not have had these breaks without being rich is mistaken.

But in that case wouldn’t you think someone who had that opportunity provided by public (taxpayer-funded) recreation facilities would be less eager to shut down those facilities and opportunities for others.

659 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:57:31am

CNN BREAKING NEWS: Sources close to the investigation tell us the search for missing Malaysian airplane MH370 has been narrowed to a set of islands in the southern Indian Ocean. We have gotten a copy of a secret Malaysian government memo showing a picture of the pilot and copilot who were recently transferred from Oceanic Airlines. Wolf Blitzer will have a full report at the top of the hour.

Sleestak pilots

660 darthstar  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:58:16am

re: #649 Dark_Falcon

There’s a good reason Barack Obama avoided that shit in 2008 and wouldn’t use it in his campaign: He knew it would make him look like a conspiratorial asshole.

Barack Obama didn’t go negative against McCain because he’s a better person and was riding a wave of positive energy and hope. Had nothing to do with worrying about his self image. He owned that election from day 1. Same thing in 2012.

661 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:59:39am

re: #651 Pie-onist Overlord

Okey dokey. But she’s still a nasty racist.

662 darthstar  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 9:59:57am
663 kirkspencer  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 10:30:51am

re: #658 Pie-onist Overlord

But in that case wouldn’t you think someone who had that opportunity provided by >public (taxpayer-funded) recreation facilities would be less eager to shut down those facilities and opportunities for others.

I would, but I know better. See Texas or Georgia for examples why.

664 kirkspencer  Mon, Mar 17, 2014 10:39:03am

re: #663 kirkspencer

I would, but I know better. See Texas or Georgia for examples why.

Or better yet, see Paul Ryan, beneficiary of the Social Security system.


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