Watch Live: President Obama Awards Medal of Honor to 24 Vets Passed Over Because of Prejudice

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The President will award 24 Army veterans the Medal of Honor for conspicuous gallantry. These veterans will receive the Medal of Honor in recognition of their valor during major combat operations in World War II, the Korean War and the Vietnam War.

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1 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 12:57:31pm
The President will award 24 Army veterans the Medal of Honor for conspicuous gallantry.

Those don’t look like army uniforms.

2 Kragar  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 12:58:24pm

But remember, Obama doesn’t care about veterans.
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3 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 12:58:59pm

re: #1 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Those don’t look like army uniforms.

Yep, those are Army dress blues.

4 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 12:59:40pm

Only 3 of the 24 receiving the MoH today are still alive.

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5 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:00:06pm

Some asshole is going to call these ‘affirmative action medals’. It might be Rush.

6 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:00:33pm

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7 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:00:48pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Gotcha. I was thinking it looked more like Marines. My stepdad had dress greens in his photos from Vietnam. Dad had Air Force blue dress uniform in his. (showing my lack of military background)

8 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:01:38pm

re: #5 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

And a hearty Fuck You to whoever does so. I’ll bet Rush too.

9 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:02:52pm

re: #1 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Those don’t look like army uniforms.

Those are the new Class A dress blues. A very sharp looking uniform with a long honorable history from the Revolution & through the ACW to now. I’m proud of being a blue coat today.

10 Bulworth  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:03:56pm

re: #2 Kragar

Which can only be explained by Obama’s Kenyan Anti-Colonialist attitude. /

11 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:04:25pm

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12 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:05:05pm

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13 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:07:50pm

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14 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:08:42pm

re: #5 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Some asshole is going to call these ‘affirmative action medals’. It might be Rush.

If I were a betting man, I’d say that’s about as sure a bet as anyone could make.

And of course, this will be coming from a man (Limbaugh) who got a medical deferment during the Vietnam War because of a pilondial cyst on his ass.

15 ObserverArt  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:08:44pm

Watching this is tough. I admire the bravery of these men even though I hate war. I do not know if I could call that strength up in the same manner. Thank you to all of the honorees. This is truly what it means to give it your all.

(Sniff)

16 gwangung  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:16:57pm

re: #5 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Some asshole is going to call these ‘affirmative action medals’. It might be Rush.

Michelle Malkin has already done so.

Of course, she’s never served. And she’s never read the circumstances of the valor.

17 GunstarGreen  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:17:49pm

re: #16 gwangung

Michelle Malkin has already done so.

Of course, she’s never served. And she’s never read the circumstances of the valor.

And she’ll swear up and down that she “supports our troops”, while simultaneously denigrating actual troops.

Just another day on the American Right.

18 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:21:56pm

re: #16 gwangung

Michelle Malkin has already done so.

Of course, she’s never served. And she’s never read the circumstances of the valor.

101st Chairborne Division

19 Bulworth  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:23:38pm

re: #16 gwangung

Challenge accepted!!

20 ObserverArt  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:24:04pm

re: #16 gwangung

Michelle Malkin has already done so.

Of course, she’s never served. And she’s never read the circumstances of the valor.

That woman is nothing but a shrill storm of hate. No surprise she is first to turn this into another attack on Obama.

21 dog philosopher  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:24:20pm

re: #5 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Some asshole is going to call these ‘affirmative action medals’. It might be Rush.

freepers are already On The Case

I knew it would be PC from Uhbama. He loves talking about how bad we were and how all these poor veterans were so discriminated against. I.e., no regular white guys today. All suffered in America and it is about time we honored them, blah blah blah. Next it will be a poor oppressed homo veteran.

22 Internet Tough Guy  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:27:32pm

re: #21 dog philosopher

Apparently Jews are not regular white guys.

23 AntonSirius  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:30:26pm

re: #19 Bulworth

Challenge accepted!!

Achievement unlocked

24 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:31:18pm

re: #21 dog philosopher

freepers are already On The Case

I knew it would be PC from Uhbama. He loves talking about how bad we were and how all these poor veterans were so discriminated against. I.e., no regular white guys today. All suffered in America and it is about time we honored them, blah blah blah. Next it will be a poor oppressed homo veteran.

A pack of jackals, a herd of jackasses, and a den of jack-offs.

25 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:32:34pm

There’s water dripping on my keyboard.

26 dog philosopher  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:35:44pm

re: #24 Shiplord Kirel

A pack of jackals, a herd of jackasses, and a den of jack-offs.

there is about a one in three chance that this particular moron is of irish descent and has not a clue about the prejudices people had against irish in the 19th century that are so similar to the crap that comes out of the mouths of racists today

27 GeneJockey  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:36:04pm

I think one big difference between the Left and the Right is that the Left believe we can do better, while the Right believe we don’t need to.

28 DKoch  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:36:45pm

Wingnuts: “he’s only doing this to distract us from BENGAHZI!”

Glibertarians: “he’s only doing this to distract us from the NSA!”

Emoprogs: “he’s only doing this to distract us from the Public Option!”

29 Bulworth  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:38:03pm

re: #25 Stanley Sea

That can sometimes be a problem.

30 Bulworth  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:38:43pm

re: #21 dog philosopher

That classy, FreeRepublik

31 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:38:59pm

“….killed the two gunners and five supporting rifleman….”
“….inflicting large numbers of casualties on the enemy…..”

Harrowing stories. I’m glad nobody is trying to sugar-coat this. War truly is hell.

32 sizzzzlerz  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:40:48pm

Here is one of the MoH awardee’s story that the troops-loving RW is shitting all over:

Leonard Kravitz’s unit was overrun by enemy troops in Korea in 1951. He stayed at his machine gun position long enough to give his fellow soldiers cover to retreat. Many of them survived, though Kravitz, who was just 20, did not.

These assholes simply have no shame.

And, yes, he is Lenny Kravitz’s uncle.

33 calochortus  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:40:48pm

re: #21 dog philosopher

freepers are already On The Case

I knew it would be PC from Uhbama. He loves talking about how bad we were and how all these poor veterans were so discriminated against. I.e., no regular white guys today. All suffered in America and it is about time we honored them, blah blah blah. Next it will be a poor oppressed homo veteran.

How about irregular white guys?

34 Shazam  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:41:00pm

The denial of their Medals of Honor is a liberal conspiracy to make Obama look good. Marxist agents have been keeping good, honest presidents from recognizing these people so that Obama can have all the glory. Oh, and Democrats are the real racists.

Do I win the conspiracy theory award?

35 dog philosopher  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:42:20pm

Obamacare Blamed Yet Again For Private Company Errors

Vegas man stuck with $407,000 medical bill after ObamaCare breakdown

“I believe Xerox is covering themselves because of a huge system error,” broker Tamar Burch told the paper.

um…

36 Bulworth  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:42:44pm

re: #32 sizzzzlerz

And what is the Freeper problem with this soldier who died in the line of duty?

37 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:43:15pm

re: #31 Shiplord Kirel

“….killed the two gunners and five supporting rifleman….”
“….inflicting large numbers of casualties on the enemy…..”

Harrowing stories. I’m glad nobody is trying to sugar-coat this. War truly is hell.

I wonder if any recipients would prefer not to hear the ceremony, not have that memory brought back to the fore.

38 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:44:10pm

LOL, so totally clueless.

39 dog philosopher  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:44:43pm

re: #33 calochortus

How about irregular white guys?

i don’t know about you but i am totally irregular

40 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:46:49pm
41 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:47:44pm

re: #38 Pie-onist Overlord

LOL, so totally clueless.

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A tiny handful would recognize that in the original German but even then fewer than should… :(

42 Kragar  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:48:04pm

re: #38 Pie-onist Overlord

LOL, so totally clueless.

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43 calochortus  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:48:55pm

re: #39 dog philosopher

i don’t know about you but i am totally irregular

Well, I’m not a guy, so there you go.

44 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:50:00pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

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Toys to play with toys.

No people needed anymore.

Except to make and maintain toys. I’m safe.

45 calochortus  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:50:07pm

re: #38 Pie-onist Overlord

LOL, so totally clueless.

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Maybe clueless, but maybe not-I really don’t know how one would respond to your tweet. Was there a conversation with some context I’m missing?

46 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:51:46pm

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47 Kragar  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:52:51pm

re: #45 calochortus

Maybe clueless, but maybe not-I really don’t know how one would respond to your tweet. Was there a conversation with some context I’m missing?

The basis for a minimum wage

48 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:54:19pm
49 calochortus  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:54:57pm

re: #47 Kragar

The basis for a minimum wage

Ahh. Thanks.

50 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 1:55:47pm

Army’s FB page has individual stories and photos of today’s MoH recipients.

facebook.com

51 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:01:51pm
52 GeneJockey  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:02:31pm

re: #49 calochortus

Ahh. Thanks.

It’s an interesting read. The folks Kragar’s tweeting with seem to be arguing that as automation etc become cheaper we need to keep lowering wages.

53 CuriousLurker  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:02:38pm

re: #38 Pie-onist Overlord

re: #42 Kragar

She’s flat-out lying. I’ve been a single mom and struggled to raise one child—there’s no way in hell you could work 40-hour weeks in the kinds of jobs she’s talking about and raise 3 kids without assistance from anyone—the child care expenses alone would eat up all your pay. Then add food, clothing, rent, utilities, transportation, medical, school supplies…

But hey, who wouldn’t prefer to see their kids malnourished, shoeless & dressed in rags over having to humble oneself by taking a “handout”, right?

Mother & children during the Great Depression. Elm Grove, Oklahoma.

54 GeneJockey  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:04:01pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

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Putin would be so much more in awe of Romney, a man so dense he was actually surprised when he lost Ohio, which every goddam poll had said he would for weeks if not months.

55 Kragar  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:06:17pm
56 GeneJockey  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:08:58pm

re: #55 Kragar

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Typical of Conservatives. The problem isn’t that the rich are too rich. The problem is that the poor aren’t poor enough.

57 calochortus  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:09:29pm

re: #53 CuriousLurker

I wonder how old she is, and when she allegedly raised those kids on her own? If it were 1974, she probably could have. 2004, not so much.

58 Kragar  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:10:05pm

Blocked that stupid fuck

59 calochortus  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:11:17pm

re: #56 GeneJockey

Typical of Conservatives. The problem isn’t that the rich are too rich. The problem is that the poor aren’t poor enough.

Many conservatives aren’t rich and won’t be. Since people compare themselves to their neighbors, yes, that is exactly the problem. They want to be comparatively rich and that’s only going to happen if they win the lottery, or their neighbors become poorer.

60 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:11:22pm

re: #53 CuriousLurker

61 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:13:50pm

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A migrant mother of five from Oklahoma, who has found work picking cotton near Fresno, California, November 1936. (Photo by Dorothea Lange/FPG/Hulton Archive/Getty Images)

62 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:14:54pm

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63 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:15:06pm

re: #54 GeneJockey

Putin would be so much more in awe of Romney, a man so dense he was actually surprised when he lost Ohio, which every goddam poll had said he would for weeks if not months.

Putin’s entire MO is using “Western” misdeeds and posturing as cover for his own actions. A president adopting neo-con positions, or just playing the part, wouldn’t change what he’s doing.

This entire idea that awe of the Big Strong President would cow Putin is not just silly, it’s accepting the bullshit, banana-republic dictator, premise that looking good beats having a well-thought out plan.

64 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:15:58pm

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65 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:16:12pm

re: #59 calochortus

Many conservatives aren’t rich and won’t be. Since people compare themselves to their neighbors, yes, that is exactly the problem. They want to be comparatively rich and that’s only going to happen if they win the lottery, or their neighbors become poorer.

^^THIS!
They are Babbitts, each and every one of them.
They think that if they suck up to the rich, then the rich will “like” them but, in fact, the rich look at them the exact same way that “EastCountyDave” looks at “burger monkeys”.
Much like Janie, too. I suspect that no matter how much money Janie has, it will never be enough for her to ascend and be accepted to the higher levels of society to which she aspires.

66 GeneJockey  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:16:37pm

re: #59 calochortus

Many conservatives aren’t rich and won’t be. Since people compare themselves to their neighbors, yes, that is exactly the problem. They want to be comparatively rich and that’s only going to happen if they win the lottery, or their neighbors become poorer.

There are a couple of huge misconceptions at work. The first is that ‘The Poor’ are all unemployed. The second is that everyone who is working at a minimum wage job could get a good paying job if only they tried. The third is that the job prospects for a kid fresh out of High School or College is just the same as it was when WE got out of HS or College in the 1970s and 1980s. The fourth is that jobs aren’t created by demand, but rather as a result of ‘investment’ by rich people.

67 CuriousLurker  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:16:47pm

re: #57 calochortus

I don’t think so, not without some kind of help. If she had family providing free child care and maybe lived with friends or relatives and paid minimal rent, then maybe. But the whole bootstraps I-did-it-by-my-lonesome smells like pure bullshit to me (my son was born in the early ’80s).

68 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:17:39pm

Holy shit.

First. Lieutenant Shwab:

From defilade, he rallied his decimated force for a third charge on the hostile strong-point, worked his way to within 50 yards of the Germans and ordered his men to “hit the dirt.” While automatic weapons fire blazed around him, he rushed forward alone, firing his carbine at the German foxholes, straight for the key enemy machine pistol nest which had sparkplugged German resistance and caused heavy casualties among his men. Spotlighted through the mist and rain by enemy flares, he reached the German emplacement. Ripping off the shelter-half cover of the hostile firing pit, he clouted the German gunner on the head with his carbine butt and dragged him back, through a hall of fire, to friendly lines.

His action so disorganized hostile infantry resistance that the enemy withdrew, abandoning his formidable defensive line. Schwab’s gallantry and determination to carry on related in breaking a powerful German position.

That’s just… avatistic.

69 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:17:49pm

Getty’s archival images of the Depression are amazing.

70 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:19:10pm

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1937: A dust storm approaching the town of Elkhart in Kansas. (Photo by MPI/Getty Images)

71 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:19:11pm

re: #68 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Holy shit.

First. Lieutenant Shwab:

That’s just… avatistic.

Really, each and every story is leaving me gobsmacked.

72 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:19:16pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

How does one even approach coding for a machine like that?! Must be some really artful math under all that metal, silicon and plastic.

73 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:20:42pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

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74 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:21:22pm

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75 gwangung  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:21:25pm

re: #68 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

From defilade, he rallied his decimated force for a third charge on the hostile strong-point, worked his way to within 50 yards of the Germans and ordered his men to “hit the dirt.” While automatic weapons fire blazed around him, he rushed forward alone, firing his carbine at the German foxholes, straight for the key enemy machine pistol nest which had sparkplugged German resistance and caused heavy casualties among his men. Spotlighted through the mist and rain by enemy flares, he reached the German emplacement. Ripping off the shelter-half cover of the hostile firing pit, he clouted the German gunner on the head with his carbine butt and dragged him back, through a hall of fire, to friendly lines.

His action so disorganized hostile infantry resistance that the enemy withdrew, abandoning his formidable defensive line. Schwab’s gallantry and determination to carry on related in breaking a powerful German position.

I wish some Freepers could tell me what’s “affirmative action” about honoring that…..

76 GeneJockey  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:22:03pm

re: #63 The Ghost of a Flea

Putin’s entire MO is using “Western” misdeeds and posturing as cover for his own actions. A president adopting neo-con positions, or just playing the part, wouldn’t change what he’s doing.

This entire idea that awe of the Big Strong President would cow Putin is not just silly, it’s accepting the bullshit, banana-republic dictator, premise that looking good beats having a well-thought out plan.

That’s why they worship Zombie Reagan, who frightened the Rooskies into giving up Communism and World Domination. He’d have scowled at Putin and sent him scurrying for his hole!

Not the REAL Reagan, who pissed off Conservatives by being so chummy with Gorbachev, who sold arms to Iran in exchange for hostages, and who tucked tail and ran when 241 Marines were killed in Lebanon.

77 GeneJockey  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:22:50pm

re: #71 Backwoods_Sleuth

Really, each and every story is leaving me gobsmacked.

Which makes the whole “Affirmative Action awards” narrative so fucking pathetic.

79 calochortus  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:23:45pm

re: #67 CuriousLurker

I don’t think so, not without some kind of help. If she had family providing free child care and maybe lived with friends or relatives and paid minimal rent, then maybe. But the whole bootstraps I-did-it-by-my-lonesome smells like pure bullshit to me (my son was born in the early ’80s).

I know someone who supported 2 kids, went to school, worked, paid the rent etc., in the Bay Area in the early 70’s. I’m not sure what her child care arrangements were. But it was possible to do that then. Now? Not hardly.

80 ObserverArt  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:25:00pm

re: #25 Stanley Sea

There’s water dripping on my keyboard.

Yeah, I had that problem too

re: #37 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I wonder if any recipients would prefer not to hear the ceremony, not have that memory brought back to the fore.

I think the first guy (Santiago Erevia) to get his was struggling a bit with his emotions. That is what started to get to me. You know they remember all that like it happened yesterday. Look at him in the photo of the three living recipients posted above. You can see him looking out and away from the folks in the room.

81 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:25:20pm

OT, but I fixed my washing machine without having to call a repairman. Of course, my washing machine looks like this:

so I’m not exactly the Maytag Washer Repairman. But I’m glad it’s working again. Turned out the latch mechanism had slipped off its mooring, so I just put it back in place and lubricated some of the parts.

82 dog philosopher  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:26:19pm

there was a very good book i read recently about the history of the dust bowl

amazon.com

83 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:27:53pm

re: #78 wrenchwench

One of these barefoot kids is my grandfather.

That’s really cool.

84 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:28:24pm

re: #81 Dr Lizardo

OT, but I fixed my washing machine without having to call a repairman. Of course, my washing machine looks like this:

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so I’m not exactly the Maytag Washer Repairman. But I’m glad it’s working again. Turned out the latch mechanism had slipped off its mooring, so I just put it back in place and lubricated some of the parts.

Do you ever get mixed up and put your clothes in the shredder?

We fixed our over the weekend too. Examined it and determined the leak was from the drum being out of place when filling.

85 ObserverArt  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:29:36pm

re: #54 GeneJockey

Putin would be so much more in awe of Romney, a man so dense he was actually surprised when he lost Ohio, which every goddam poll had said he would for weeks if not months.

But…but…but…Karl Rove said…

86 GeneJockey  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:30:40pm

re: #85 ObserverArt

But…but…but…Karl Rove said…

“TURN THOSE MACHINES BACK ON!!”

87 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:31:44pm

re: #84 wrenchwench

Do you ever get mixed up and put your clothes in the shredder?

We fixed our over the weekend too. Examined it and determined the leak was from the drum being out of place when filling.

Not yet. It’s a funky old machine - I actually found it out by the dumpster one morning about a year ago. I’d never seen one, so I took it upstairs, inspected it for any leaks by filling the tub section, then took off the lid (which is removable) and checked out the motor and it was all working fine, so I’ve been using it ever since. The washer that came with the apartment is some ancient Stalin-era beast that really didn’t function all that well, so I put that downstairs in the storage unit for my apartment.

88 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:32:09pm

re: #54 GeneJockey

Putin would be so much more in awe of Romney, a man so dense he was actually surprised when he lost Ohio, which every goddam poll had said he would for weeks if not months.

Putin would be “afraid” of Romney, the guy that protested for US involvement in Vietnam and then went over to France. I don’t care about his mission work, he could have served and then did that as many of the young LDS men that my grandfather served with in Korea did. Romney’s an asshole who’s doing the I WAS RIGHT THING. He wasn’t right.

89 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:34:36pm

re: #84 wrenchwench

Do you ever get mixed up and put your clothes in the shredder?

We fixed our over the weekend too. Examined it and determined the leak was from the drum being out of place when filling.

My refrigerator stopped freezing stuff in the freezer and the fridge part wasn’t staying cool enough.
Hated the idea of buying a new fridge before the new house is ready.
Turned out it was the fan being grumpy, so hubs bought a desktop fan a few days ago and put it behind the fridge to cool the condenser coils.
So far, so good! (and I now have ice cubes for my Scotch…)

90 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:34:56pm

H2 (History Channel 2) if you have Xfinity on Demand has a really fascinating docu about slave catchers and slave resisting. Knew it before obviously as a student of history but watching this really gets at the absolute ignorance it takes one to compare something like ACA or if you’re Sarah Palin, debt to China to the horrors of slavery. And then there’s the claims that “Slavery wasn’t so bad,”

91 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:38:31pm

re: #32 sizzzzlerz

Here is one of the MoH awardee’s story that the troops-loving RW is shitting all over:

These assholes simply have no shame.

And, yes, he is Lenny Kravitz’s uncle.

Take it Lenny’s folks named him after said uncle. These assholes really have some nerve complaining about these awards. Gene’s absolutely right. The difference between the left and the right is that we on the left genuinely believe we can do better as a nation and people, the right doesn’t think we can. And that’s why I’ll always be on the left.

92 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:46:30pm

Oh, I don’t think so…

McConnell fundraiser: Wives have ‘obligation’ to sleep with husbands

Read more: thehill.com

93 CuriousLurker  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:47:49pm

re: #79 calochortus

I know someone who supported 2 kids, went to school, worked, paid the rent etc., in the Bay Area in the early 70’s. I’m not sure what her child care arrangements were. But it was possible to do that then. Now? Not hardly.

This idiot was claiming 3 kids, zero assistance, and unskilled low-paying jobs, working only one 40-hour/wk job at a time. The child care costs are the killer. Just out of curiosity I looked up the minimum wage in CA in the early ’70s—it was $1.65 starting in 1968, then went up to $2.00 in 1974. So let’s say this woman on Twitter lived in CA with her 3 kids in 1974. Her pay would have been $2.00/hr x 40 hrs = $80.00/wk, before taxes.

Now let’s say she could find a sitter who’d watch the kids for $0.25/hr per kid while she was working (unlikely, but I’m being generous). That would be a minimum of $10/wk x 3 kids = $30/wk for child care—more than 1/3 of her entire week’s pay. If I’d had a friend or family member providing child care for my son, it would’ve removed an enormous financial burden from my back

I agree about nowadays—I doubt I could’ve managed it today even with just the one child I had.

94 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:50:11pm

Can’t look at this ceremony without thinking of this

Youtube Video

Or this

95 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:50:25pm

re: #66 GeneJockey

Just-world fallacy at work, too.

96 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:50:49pm

re: #92 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh, I don’t think so…

McConnell fundraiser: Wives have ‘obligation’ to sleep with husbands

Read more: thehill.com

Republicans should also have an obligation not to talk about women unless it’s the phrase “We don’t have a clue how to treat women as equals or with respect.”

97 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:51:18pm

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98 calochortus  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:52:41pm

re: #93 CuriousLurker

Oh, I’ll happily agree this woman is being just a bit less than honest-just pointing out that what she says she did, might barely have been possible 40 years ago, but that was really the last possible moment in time…

99 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:53:46pm

re: #45 calochortus

Maybe clueless, but maybe not-I really don’t know how one would respond to your tweet. Was there a conversation with some context I’m missing?

The usual wingnut bragging I PULLED MYSELF UP BY MY OWN BOOTSTRAPS WORKING AT MINIMUM WAGE JRRBS AND I FOUND PEACE & HAPPINESS FROM WORK!!!!!!

100 calochortus  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:54:19pm

re: #96 HappyWarrior

Republicans should also have an obligation not to talk about women unless it’s the phrase “We don’t have a clue how to treat women as equals or with respect.”

Sadly, many of them believe that they are treating women with respect-though not as equals, because well, you know…

101 CuriousLurker  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:57:05pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I don’t get it. What’s he trying to say?

102 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:57:09pm

re: #53 CuriousLurker

She’s flat-out lying. I’ve been a single mom and struggled to raise one child—there’s no way in hell you could work 40-hour weeks in the kinds of jobs she’s talking about and raise 3 kids without assistance from anyone—the child care expenses alone would eat up all your pay. Then add food, clothing, rent, utilities, transportation, medical, school supplies…

But hey, who wouldn’t prefer to see their kids malnourished, shoeless & dressed in rags over having to humble oneself by taking a “handout”, right?

Mother & children during the Great Depression. Elm Grove, Oklahoma.

It’s all about talking points on Teh Twitters HURR HURR BOOTSTRAPS!!!!!. I’m sure it’s all total bullshit. Just like Janie was so butthurt to be called out as a country club tennis princess who never worked at an actual JRRB. PWN3D by a YOONYUN THUG (moi!)

103 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:57:55pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah, if your view is that the rich were somehow oppressed under Hitler, or having “non-PC” thoughts was frowned upon in Nazi Germany, then you need a remedial course in just what the fuck happened under fascism.

104 calochortus  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:59:12pm

Well, time to go see if I can make gluten free naan that doesn’t resemble cardboard.
Meanwhile my sourdough isn’t rising. Grumble, grumble.
The pie came out nice though. Yes, it’s baking day here in the calochortus household.

BBL

105 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 2:59:56pm

re: #101 CuriousLurker

I don’t get it. What’s he trying to say?

Writing on townhall.com in December of 2008, Prager compares a man’s obligation to go to work, regardless of his “mood,” to a woman’s obligation to have sex with her husband.
“Why would a loving, wise woman allow mood to determine whether or not she will give her husband one of the most important expressions of love she can show him? What else in life, of such significance, do we allow to be governed by mood?” he writes.
“What if your husband woke up one day and announced that he was not in the mood to go to work?”

I guess he’s saying sex on demand is in the wifely job description.
And she shouldn’t be all “moody” about it…

ETA: oops…responded to wrong link.
must need dinner….

106 GeneJockey  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:01:03pm

re: #101 CuriousLurker

I don’t get it. What’s he trying to say?

I THINK he’s saying the rich guys who are complaining that not being worshipped by all makes America just like Nazi Germany need to read up on just what Nazi Germany was like.

It’s a common thing on the Right to equate the ‘plight’ of the privilieged being asked to share their privilege with the Jews, Roma, Gays etc. who were stripped of their freedom, citizenship, possessions, and often their lives by Nazi Germany - ‘Having people dislike you is just like being sent to Death Camps and gassed!’

107 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:02:35pm

My grandparents were actually well-off during the Depression.
Youtube Video

108 GeneJockey  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:02:51pm

re: #105 Backwoods_Sleuth

I guess he’s saying sex on demand is in the wifely job description.
And she shouldn’t be all “moody” about it…

Brings a different meaning to ‘Blow Job’, doesn’t it?
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109 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:05:38pm

re: #106 GeneJockey

I THINK he’s saying the rich guys who are complaining that not being worshipped by all makes America just like Nazi Germany need to read up on just what Nazi Germany was like.

It’s a common thing on the Right to equate the ‘plight’ of the privilieged being asked to share their privilege with the Jews, Roma, Gays etc. who were stripped of their freedom, citizenship, possessions, and often their lives by Nazi Germany - ‘Having people dislike you is just like being sent to Death Camps and gassed!’

Well yeah every group you mention except gays since we know that only gays were doing the oppressing in Nazi Germany. Really as a student of history, I can’t express how much it pisses me off when someone trivalizes the real horrors of Nazi Germany or slavery when they compare life in Obama’s America to that.

110 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:06:50pm

re: #107 Pie-onist Overlord

My grandparents were actually well-off during the Depression.
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That’s really neat. We have family movies from that time period too. It was so surreal to see my great grandfather on film. My mom’s side was pretty poor- coal miners but Dad’s side were more middle class since one of my great grandfathers was an engineer and the other owned a printing shop.

111 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:07:18pm

re: #100 calochortus

Sadly, many of them believe that they are treating women with respect-though not as equals, because well, you know…

Yeah sadly true.

112 gwangung  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:09:56pm

re: #109 HappyWarrior

Well yeah every group you mention except gays since we know that only gays were doing the oppressing in Nazi Germany. Really as a student of history, I can’t express how much it pisses me off when someone trivalizes the real horrors of Nazi Germany or slavery when they compare life in Obama’s America to that.

I think I feel the same when people call Obama a Marxist or a Communist (extremely insulting to those of us who had relatives survive Communist regimes or survived them personally).

113 CuriousLurker  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:11:46pm

re: #106 GeneJockey

I THINK he’s saying the rich guys who are complaining that not being worshipped by all makes America just like Nazi Germany need to read up on just what Nazi Germany was like.

It’s a common thing on the Right to equate the ‘plight’ of the privilieged being asked to share their privilege with the Jews, Roma, Gays etc. who were stripped of their freedom, citizenship, possessions, and often their lives by Nazi Germany - ‘Having people dislike you is just like being sent to Death Camps and gassed!’

Ah, okay. Thanks!

114 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:11:48pm

re: #112 gwangung

I think I feel the same when people call Obama a Marxist or a Communist (extremely insulting to those of us who had relatives survive Communist regimes or survived them personally).

Me too actually. Had relatives on Mom’s side survive both the Nazi and Soviet satellite years. Too often the term “communist” and “marxist” is thrown around by someone who doesn’t have a clue what they’re talking about. If Obama was an actual socialist even, real socialists would love him.They don’t. A lot of liberals don’t even really like Obama that much let alone socialists.

115 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:12:53pm

re: #112 gwangung

I think I feel the same when people call Obama a Marxist or a Communist (extremely insulting to those of us who had relatives survive Communist regimes or survived them personally).

Really PO’s me when they get mad at someone (me) describing him as centrist (center-right economically, center-left socially) because don’tcha know he’s the second coming of Stalin? Feh!

116 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:13:02pm

Sorry for the sport OT!! Anyone here recommend a bracket to fill?

I’m on CBSsportsline & my local radio station.

Looking for another!

117 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:13:33pm

re: #100 calochortus

Sadly, many of them believe that they are treating women with respect-though not as equals, because well, you know…

118 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:14:07pm

re: #116 Stanley Sea

Sorry for the sport OT!! Anyone here recommend a bracket to fill?

I’m on CBSsportsline & my local radio station.

Looking for another!

sportsillustrated.collegehoops.upickem.net

119 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:14:17pm

re: #115 William Barnett-Lewis

Really PO’s me when the get mad at someone (me) describing him as centrist (center-right economically, center-left socially) because don’tcha know he’s the second coming of Stalin? Feh!

He’s not even LBJ economically speaking let alone Stalin yet you talk to these economic illiterates and they’ll tell you he’s the most radical ever. Economically he’s closer to what Nixon stood for than FDR or LBJ.

120 CuriousLurker  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:14:44pm

re: #116 Stanley Sea

Sorry for the sport OT!! Anyone here recommend a bracket to fill?

I’m on CBSsportsline & my local radio station.

Looking for another!

I have no idea what any of that mean, but have an upding anyway just because I like you and am happy to see you. ;)

121 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:14:53pm

re: #118 William Barnett-Lewis

Thanks!~

122 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:15:22pm

re: #117 Pie-onist Overlord

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Conservative men have an inflated sense of self. I don’t see myself as a liberal man. I see myself as a man who happens to be a liberal. That’s the difference.

123 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:15:34pm

Speaking of the “Milliion Vet March” where like only 20 people showed up.

124 AntonSirius  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:18:10pm

re: #116 Stanley Sea

Sorry for the sport OT!! Anyone here recommend a bracket to fill?

I’m on CBSsportsline & my local radio station.

Looking for another!

You’re not doing Yahoo’s billion dollar bracket thing?

125 blueraven  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:23:42pm

Fox News has some fucking balls. They are doing a report on the millions NOT covered under Obamacare.

Some are undocumented workers, but the other major group are those in poverty but not covered because so many red states didn’t expand medicaid as was proposed in the law.

They should be laying this squarely on the supreme court and republican legislators.

126 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:24:15pm

An update on the Seattle news helicopter crash from earlier today:

katu.com

Witnesses said the helicopter crashed as it was taking off from the helipad on the roof of Fisher Plaza, across the street from the Space Needle, at about 7:40 a.m.

A National Transportation Safety Board official, Dennis Hogenson, said the chopper rotated in a counterclockwise direction, then plummeted to the pavement below, according to eyewitness reports.

“It looked like the helicopter was trying to take off, and it just was trying to stabilize and it looked odd … and it just took a nose dive right down there on the street,” said one eyewitness. “And the scary thing about it was the gas from the helicopter started leaking and it caught a car or two on fire - so it’s crazy.”

Another eyewitness, Brian Cruz, said he saw the chopper in trouble in the air near the helipad.

“It looked like it got hung up on some cables, and before you know it - boom! - it dropped to the street,” he said.

Very sad.

127 dr. luba  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:26:04pm

Found this today: how to organize a truly free and fair referendum. It starts with the observers.

An interesting group of individuals. And Putin has the nerve to say Ukraine is being taken over by Right Wing extremists!

128 darthstar  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:33:00pm
129 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:34:36pm
130 darthstar  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:34:51pm

Fox affiliate airs giant dick pic and then the hosts all recoil in horror.

buzzfeed.com

131 dog philosopher  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:35:06pm

re: #115 William Barnett-Lewis

Really PO’s me when they get mad at someone (me) describing him as centrist (center-right economically, center-left socially) because don’tcha know he’s the second coming of Stalin? Feh!

centrist would be my description too

i see him, and the mainstream democratic party generally, as sane corporatist centrists who in most other countries would be the conservative party

132 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:36:01pm
133 danarchy  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:36:59pm

re: #116 Stanley Sea

Sorry for the sport OT!! Anyone here recommend a bracket to fill?

I’m on CBSsportsline & my local radio station.

Looking for another!

Quicken Loans(in association with Warren Buffet) is offering a Billion dollar prize for a perfect bracket. Of course the odds are something like 1 trillion to 1, but hey. The 20 best brackets each get $100,000.

Qucken loans bracket

134 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:39:32pm

The empty ‘pupitres’ represent those killed in recent demonstrations.

135 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:42:34pm

re: #133 danarchy

Quicken Loans(in association with Warren Buffet) is offering a Billion dollar prize for a perfect bracket. Of course the odds are something like 1 trillion to 1, but hey. The 20 best brackets each get $100,000.

Qucken loans bracket

hell, I’ll play it just for giggles.

136 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:43:01pm
137 dog philosopher  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:43:16pm

If Obama Was Really A Stalinist

rush limbaugh and medea benjamin would be non persons sharing a bunk in some american siberia, and we’d never have to hear anything from jonah goldberg, sean hannity, anne coulter, or newt gingrich ever again never never never never

138 dog philosopher  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:45:11pm

liberal

1 gazillion federation quatloos to anybody who could possibly define this word in any sensible way anymore

139 Official Lab Rat In Gay Radical Experiment  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:45:56pm

re: #117 Pie-onist Overlord

Something tells me VA. Texan goes by an alter ego, like Master_Daddy on FETLIFE.

I mean, how many of these guys like this are really just closet sexual Doms?

140 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:46:28pm

U.S. Freezes Putin’s Netflix Account

While all of the sanctions Mr. Kerry announced on Tuesday were Netflix-related, he warned Mr. Putin that “nothing is off the table.”

“I’m sure I don’t need to remind the Russian President that ‘Game of Thrones’ is about to come back for another season,” he said. “As I have said, this thing could get very ugly, very fast.”

141 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:47:04pm

re: #136 NJDhockeyfan

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The picture is from at least 2009.

lj.rossia.org

142 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:50:15pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

The picture is from at least 2009.

lj.rossia.org

oh, here it is from 2005…

kompromati.ru

143 darthstar  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:51:17pm

re: #133 danarchy

Quicken Loans(in association with Warren Buffet) is offering a Billion dollar prize for a perfect bracket. Of course the odds are something like 1 trillion to 1, but hey. The 20 best brackets each get $100,000.

Qucken loans bracket

Okay…I randomly dragged and dropped for a billion. If I win, I promise to throw a pizza party for all the regulars here…in Italy.

144 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:51:36pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

The picture is from at least 2009.

lj.rossia.org

Putin goons I assume if East of Brussels is correct.

145 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:53:56pm

re: #137 dog philosopher

If Obama Was Really A Stalinist

rush limbaugh and medea benjamin would be non persons sharing a bunk in some american siberia, and we’d never have to hear anything from jonah goldberg, sean hannity, anne coulter, or newt gingrich ever again never never never never

And most of these little twits on twitter would make one comment against the government. Then there would be a black car at midnight, a knock at the door and a bullet after a couple of days of interrogation & “trial”.

146 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:54:20pm

re: #144 NJDhockeyfan

The guy in the middle right in front of the Nazi flag is Dmitry Dyomushkin, leader of the group. Quite the links come up when googling his name.

147 Kragar  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:59:17pm

re: #137 dog philosopher

If Obama Was Really A Stalinist

rush limbaugh and medea benjamin would be non persons sharing a bunk in some american siberia, and we’d never have to hear anything from jonah goldberg, sean hannity, anne coulter, or newt gingrich ever again never never never never

Your

148 Decatur Deb  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 3:59:37pm

re: #143 darthstar

Okay…I randomly dragged and dropped for a billion. If I win, I promise to throw a pizza party for all the regulars here…in Italy.

Will there be pineapple?

149 jaunte  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 4:01:04pm

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Two ways voters can lose!

150 dog philosopher  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 4:01:32pm

⸨Image: _73667988_73667987.jpg I M A G E ⸩

151 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 4:02:04pm

Rand Paul 2016: Front-runner or overrated?
Why not both?

152 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 4:03:15pm

re: #149 jaunte

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Two ways voters can lose!

Doesn’t that kind of indicate he plans on losing the presidential election?

153 jaunte  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 4:03:50pm

re: #152 Killgore Trout

I think he’s decided to reprise his father’s career.

154 jaunte  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 4:04:50pm

It’s a living.

155 Decatur Deb  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 4:05:58pm

re: #152 Killgore Trout

Doesn’t that kind of indicate he plans on losing the presidential election?

He could do both jobs—for minimum wage.

156 darthstar  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 4:07:50pm

Some kind words for Bill Kristol

157 Decatur Deb  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 4:08:53pm

re: #156 darthstar

Some kind words for Bill Kristol

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Is Bill humping the War Hag again?

158 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 4:09:32pm

So with all the conspiracy theories about MH370, here’s a different one to ponder (or maybe not):

Rash of finance-pro suicides baffles experts

The financial world has been rattled by a rash of apparent suicides, with some of the best and brightest among the finance workers who have taken their lives since the start of the year.

A majority of the eight suicides of 2014 have been very public demonstrations, which has suicide-prevention experts puzzled.Moutier also discounts the location of the act as being the driver behind the reason for the suicide.

“The suicide-research literature doesn’t help very much with the question of why the method of these suicides is so out in the open,” she added.

nypost.com

Now I confess to being as guilty as anyone of the human trait to look for patterns, even where none may actually exist; it has crossed my mind “OK….have these folks looked into their economic crystal ball and seen some huge shitstorm coming, concluded ‘Well…..we’re boned’” and then gone on to commit suicide, sometimes in rather public fashion?

It certainly seems out-of-the-ordinary, at least to me. Of course, people have varied reasons for choosing suicide and it could well be that many of these unfortunates chose to kill themselves for any number of reason wholly unrelated to their professional lives.

Needless to say, however, this rash of suicides is certainly being discussed on the intertubes, often in conspiratorial tones.

159 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 4:10:56pm

re: #152 Killgore Trout

Doesn’t that kind of indicate he plans on losing the presidential election?

Seems to indicate to me pretty clearly that the Kentucky Senate A) has no faith in his presidential ambitions and B) is afraid that when he loses the presidential election, they’ll have nobody in mind who could keep his seat (R).

160 joe90  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 4:15:24pm

re: #127 dr. luba

More details on the referendum observers.

anton-shekhovtsov.blogspot.co.nz

161 Skip Intro  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 4:15:25pm

re: #130 darthstar

Fox affiliate airs giant dick pic and then the hosts all recoil in horror.

buzzfeed.com

Anything for ratings, eh Fox?

162 Skip Intro  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 4:16:38pm

re: #149 jaunte

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Two ways voters can lose!

Rand Paul, anti-government rebel.

163 darthstar  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 4:18:08pm

Put Christie and Snowden on that flight, and you’d have a fuckin’ hat trick.

164 Skip Intro  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 4:28:56pm

re: #161 Skip Intro

Anything for ratings, eh Fox?

BTW, this seems to be catching on.

Comcast Sports Net on the new Chicago Cubs mascot.

165 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 4:29:33pm

re: #156 darthstar
More:

You should be driven from polite society, consigned to an ideological Molokai so you can no longer infect the rest of us. People should shun you. You should wear the bell for the rest of your miserable days.

The saddest part is Bloody Bill seems incapable of the self-reflection it would require to be stung by Pierce’s words.

166 EPR-radar  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 4:29:50pm

re: #156 darthstar

Charles Pierce appears to have a clear-eyed view of neo-con foreign policy.

167 simoom  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 4:30:35pm

Putin is certainly letting Snowden deploy more frequently as of late:

wired.co.uk

Edward Snowden made a surprise appearance on the TED stage in Vancouver today, by Beam telepresence robot from “somewhere in Russia”.

Snowden, in his second remote talk in eight days after an appearance at SXSW Interactive in Texas, urged online businesses to encrypt their websites immediately.

Snowden:

“What Boundless Informant tells us is more communications are being intercepted in America by Americans than in Russia by Russians.”

Some how I doubt the Russians have been stupid enough to share classified state secrets with a defector, so he’s basing that on…?

Snowden also made this incorrect assertion:

“The NSA has violated their own rules thousands of times in a single year — in one event they intercepted all the calls in Washington DC by accident.”

Here’s the incident Snowden is referencing:

nytimes.com

In one case in 2008 that was not reported to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court or Congress, it said, the system collected metadata logs about a “large number” of calls dialed from Washington - something it was already doing through a different program - because of a programming error mixing up the district’s area code, 202, with the international dialing code of Egypt, 20.

…

This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

Correction: August 16, 2013

An earlier version of this article inaccurately portrayed an incident in 2008 involving a mix-up of the area code of Washington, D.C., 202, and the international dialing code of Egypt, 20. While the Washington Post initially described this incident as involving the “interception” of calls placed from Washington, the Post later explained that it involved the collection of “metadata” logs about the calls. It is not the case that the N.S.A. recorded the contents of the calls.

washingtonpost.com

The NSA has different reporting requirements for each branch of government and each of its legal authorities. The “202” collection was deemed irrelevant to any of them. “The issue pertained to Metadata ONLY so there were no defects to report,” according to the author of the secret memo from March 2013.

Charles covered that story last August, here:

littlegreenfootballs.com

168 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 4:32:19pm

re: #130 darthstar

Fox affiliate airs giant dick pic and then the hosts all recoil in horror.

buzzfeed.com

oh lol.

169 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 4:33:09pm

re: #137 dog philosopher

If Obama Was Really A Stalinist

rush limbaugh and medea benjamin would be non persons sharing a bunk in some american siberia, and we’d never have to hear anything from jonah goldberg, sean hannity, anne coulter, or newt gingrich ever again never never never never

HURR HURR!!!!!

170 EPR-radar  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 4:36:05pm

re: #157 Decatur Deb

Is Bill humping the War Hag again?

Looks that way to me. This is the Bill Kristol column that sparked Charles Pierce’s amusing reply.

weeklystandard.com

The Kristol column is a mindless double grave-robbing exercise: “Dulce et decorum est…” meets Zombie Reagan.

171 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 4:38:33pm
172 CuriousLurker  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 4:39:21pm

OT Drive-by: LOL

173 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 4:41:09pm

Janie is spamming the fake ID. What a stupid fucking tool.

174 EPR-radar  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 4:43:18pm

re: #169 Pie-onist Overlord

OMG, both Obama and Stalin have index fingers !!11ty The proof that Obama = Stalin = fascist = communist is now complete. QED.

175 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 4:43:41pm

Jesus Christ on a popsicle stick

176 sattv4u2  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 4:44:40pm

re: #161 Skip Intro

Anything for ratings, eh Fox?

“FOX” doesn’t control that time slot. It’s a local show
ALSO,,,, from the link ,,,
The collective reaction from the hosts says it all, really

177 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 4:45:01pm

How did this fuckball idiot get into U of M?

178 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 4:46:09pm

re: #175 Pie-onist Overlord

Jesus Christ on a popsicle stick

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Not to mention that Obama was a state senator in 1998…

179 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 4:46:51pm

Jesus Christ on a popsicle stick

180 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 4:49:29pm

Hey VB…just saw this, how to make a challah bread basket:

grouprecipes.com

181 EPR-radar  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 4:50:26pm

re: #179 Pie-onist Overlord

I suppose it is rude to point out that the fake Obama ID from Columbia is only slightly more stupid and reality-denying than most wingnut public policy positions.

182 Snarknado!  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 4:50:38pm

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hey VB…just saw this, how to make a challah bread basket:

grouprecipes.com

You may want to leave out the Easter eggs, though.

183 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 4:52:30pm

From the Atlantic:
My Life as a Retail Worker: Nasty, Brutish, and Poor
The writer was a Politico journalist until the RWNJ’s did a counter-top inspection on him and he ended up homeless and broke.

184 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 4:55:45pm

Flashback: littlegreenfootballs.com

I am happy to see it happening. :)

185 danarchy  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 4:57:07pm

OT - Looking for opinions on machetes

Spring is coming and I need to clear some serious brush out back. Looking at buying a machete. Just wondering if anyone has a favorite brand or type? I am leaning towards getting a gerber since I’ve always carried gerber pocket knives and have never been disappointed with their quality. This doesn’t necessarily mean they make decent machetes though. Also any preferred style? regular old fashioned machete, kukri, parang? the weight distribution on the kukri looks like it would be great for chopping saplings.

186 Decatur Deb  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 4:59:23pm

re: #185 danarchy

OT - Looking for opinions on machetes

Spring is coming and I need to clear some serious brush out back. Looking at buying a machete. Just wondering if anyone has a favorite brand or type? I am leaning towards getting a gerber since I’ve always carried gerber pocket knives and have never been disappointed with their quality. This doesn’t necessarily mean they make decent machetes though. Also any preferred style? regular old fashioned machete, kukri, parang? the weight distribution on the kukri looks like it would be great for chopping saplings.

Why screw around?

sears.com

187 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:00:32pm

re: #186 Decatur Deb

Why screw around?

sears.com

Well I love that one.

188 Skip Intro  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:01:59pm

re: #176 sattv4u2

“FOX” doesn’t control that time slot. It’s a local show
ALSO,,,, from the link ,,,
The collective reaction from the hosts says it all, really

That Fox31 logo in the lower right corner sort of gives it away, but yeah, I’m sure they’re shocked to know one of their producers watches porn while they’re on the air.

189 Decatur Deb  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:02:37pm

re: #187 Stanley Sea

Well I love that one.

It’s expensive until you count in the emergency room visit.

190 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:03:17pm

re: #185 danarchy

Your hands will like you if you get a Fiddleback.

191 sattv4u2  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:04:21pm

re: #188 Skip Intro

one of their EX producers watches porn while they’re on the air.

“Lucy ,,,, you got some ‘SPLAININ to dooooo!!!!!”

192 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:11:18pm
193 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:12:04pm

re: #182 Snarknado!

You may want to leave out the Easter eggs, though.

And the milk.

194 b.d.  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:16:19pm

HEY! I JUST FOUND THIS FOREIGN STUDENT’S ID LAYING AROUND ON THE GROUND. I BETTER HANG ON TO IT FOR A FEW DECADES IN CASE HE TAKES OVER THE WHITE HOUSE PRETENDING TO BE AN AMERICAN!!

Sounds possible!

//

195 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:17:23pm

re: #192 Pie-onist Overlord

There’s some sort of program on the web somewhere that will examine a photo for potential ‘shop residue. I can’t for the life of me remember the name of it.

Ah, here it is: errorlevelanalysis.com

196 sattv4u2  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:18:26pm

re: #194 b.d.

HEY! I JUST FOUND THIS FOREIGN STUDENT’S ID LAYING AROUND ON THE GROUND. I BETTER HANG ON TO IT FOR A FEW DECADES IN CASE HE TAKES OVER THE WHITE HOUSE PRETENDING TO BE AN AMERICAN!!

Sounds possible!

//

I saved the belly button lint (don’t ask why,,, or how) from a 1970’s back up singer just in case she made it big decades later ,, so ,, yeah ,,, possible!!!!

197 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:22:45pm

re: #183 Rev_Arthur_Belling

From the Atlantic:
My Life as a Retail Worker: Nasty, Brutish, and Poor
The writer was a Politico journalist until the RWNJ’s did a counter-top inspection on him and he ended up homeless and broke.

My first job was working as a bagger at Food Lion back in ‘01. And everything he just described is what I found when I joined up. About the only thing missing from his story that I experienced was something I thing most anybody who’s worked part-time for minimum wage has experienced: You are always on-call. What’s that, you and your friends wanted to go out to a movie? Sorry, your manager just called to say that Eduardo called in sick and “somebody” needs to cover his shift, with it not so subtly made clear that you were elected that “somebody” by virtue on not being on the day’s schedule, and you will be unofficially penalized for not dropping your plans and rushing to work.

198 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:23:22pm
199 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:23:26pm

re: #195 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Oops, I just read that the service has been shut down. Probably another one somewhere.

200 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:23:46pm

re: #195 Rev_Arthur_Belling

There’s some sort of program on the web somewhere that will examine a photo for potential ‘shop residue. I can’t for the life of me remember the name of it.

Ah, here it is: errorlevelanalysis.com

You don’t even need to do that, it’s obvious from the fact:
1. Barcodes did not appear on Columbia ID’s in the early 80’s
2. Whoever did the PS did not even bother to change the ID#

201 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:25:28pm

re: #200 Pie-onist Overlord

Oh, I know you don’t need to do that in this case, but it’s handy to know about for other situations. I’ll need to research an alternative.

202 Gus  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:26:11pm

re: #198 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

MCCARTHYITE!! is Greenwald’s version of teh TWITTER GULAGS!

203 Gus  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:27:05pm
204 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:29:41pm

re: #197 Targetpractice

You are always on-call. What’s that, you and your friends wanted to go out to a movie? Sorry, your manager just called to say that Eduardo called in sick and “somebody” needs to cover his shift, with it not so subtly made clear that you were elected that “somebody” by virtue on not being on the day’s schedule, and you will be unofficially penalized for not dropping your plans and rushing to work.

Quoted for truth. When I was in retail, if you didn’t show up to cover for someone else, you were “not a team player.”

It’s soul-sucking work.

205 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:31:49pm

Image: photoshops.png

206 Gus  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:34:31pm

I don’t want Greenwald’s opinion on anything.

207 Gus  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:35:21pm

208 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:35:22pm

re: #204 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Quoted for truth. When I was in retail, if you didn’t show up to cover for someone else, you were “not a team player.”

It’s soul-sucking work.

Yep. And if the managers could swing it, they’d cross-train you on as many jobs outside your job description as they could get away with so that there was somebody always on-call. Enough baggers showed up but a cashier called in sick? We’re in luck, the cashier over there was trained to run a register. Get your ass behind the machine, kid, we’ve got people who need their Twinkies now!

209 dog philosopher  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:35:41pm

The ID number on Lugert’s card is the same as the alleged Obama card, Obama did not attend Columbia in 1998

also it stands to reason that columbia university ID cards had different designs in 1981 and 1998

somebody should get ahold of legitimate ‘foreign student’ columbia IDs 1981 era and see if they look anything like the ‘sotero’ image

210 Gus  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:36:50pm
211 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:37:19pm

re: #175 Pie-onist Overlord

Jesus Christ on a popsicle stick

Jesus Christ on a popsicle stick

212 Minor_L  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:39:59pm

I like how Greenwald is completely offended by anyone just checking his consistency (considering he holds himself out to be the world’s foremost advocate for free speech), but feels free to screech “MCCARTHYITE,” which is
1,000 times worse, at everyone.

Convenient double standard he’s got there.

213 dog philosopher  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:40:13pm

re: #209 dog philosopher

The ID number on Lugert’s card is the same as the alleged Obama card, Obama did not attend Columbia in 1998

also it stands to reason that columbia university ID cards had different designs in 1981 and 1998

somebody should get ahold of legitimate ‘foreign student’ columbia IDs 1981 era and see if they look anything like the ‘sotero’ image

hmm it seems that columbia ids with bar codes weren’t used until 1996

214 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:41:24pm

The next editor of The Intercept?

215 Skip Intro  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:42:40pm

re: #204 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Quoted for truth. When I was in retail, if you didn’t show up to cover for someone else, you were “not a team player.”

It’s soul-sucking work.

At the lowest point in my working career, after my boss and company owner died and we shut down, I ended up working at the worst company in the entire country: Tandy Radio Shack.

How bad was it? First there was the psych test with the district manager, where he continually asked questions about stealing money. Have you ever, do you now, does handling money make your hands sweaty, hundreds of questions like that.

Having somehow managed to pass that, my first day on my new minimum wage job I was introduced to the guy I was replacing, who was fired on the spot, in front of me.

Then it got worse, much, much worse. Still I never had it as bad as the store manager(s), all of whom were fired in front of the entire staff, and even the district manager who hired me, who was also fired in public.

I never had more incentive to find a better job, and after a year ( this was in Oregon, and times were bad), I did.

Every time I walk by a RS store, I feel sorry for the poor bastard working there for minimum wage for the biggest shithole company in the country.

216 CuriousLurker  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:43:04pm

re: #192 Pie-onist Overlord

Hey, VB—are you still here? Never mind.

217 Gus  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:43:11pm

re: #214 NJDhockeyfan

The next editor of The Intercept?

[Embedded content]

218 dog philosopher  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:43:58pm

re: #174 EPR-radar

OMG, both Obama and Stalin have index fingers !!11ty The proof that Obama = Stalin = fascist = communist is now complete. QED.

you’ve been reading jonah goldberg again haven’t you

219 DKoch  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:46:56pm

re: #203 Gus

If you read the first sentence of this link, Griftwald holds it’s “unjournalistic” for journalists to remain silent.

Yet another position he conveniently switches when it is applied to him.

220 Skip Intro  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:48:44pm

Breaking News!!!!!

Yes, we still have absolutely no information about flight MH 370. Tune in to our non-stop coverage of this new, startling event!

Malaysia pilot’s home yields no sign of terrorism, suicide

latimes.com

221 Jack Burton  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:48:50pm

re: #215 Skip Intro

Same here. It was my first “real” job after high school and the stress from similar BS was one of the contributing factors to me dropping out of college and getting put on anti-depressants for awhile.

After I quit I didn’t step foot in an RS for 7 years, and even now, 19 years later I can count how many times I’ve been in one since then on one hand.

222 EPR-radar  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:50:29pm

re: #221 Jack Burton

Same here. It was my first “real” job after high school and the stress from similar BS was one of the contributing factors to me dropping out of college and getting put on anti-depressants for awhile.

After I quit I didn’t step foot in an RS for 7 years, and even now, 19 years later I can count how many times I’ve been in one since then on one hand.

Is there a known reason for Radio Shack to be especially hellish to work at (e.g., founded by a frustrated martinet?).

223 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 5:55:54pm

re: #222 EPR-radar

I used to know a guy who owned a RS franchise. He had to buy all the inventory beforehand, and he was one bitter MF. Used to work near their corp. headquarters in FW, as well, and it was depressing as hell just walking around there.

224 EPR-radar  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 6:00:45pm

re: #223 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I used to know a guy who owned a RS franchise. He had to buy all the inventory beforehand, and he was one bitter MF. Used to work near their corp. headquarters in FW, as well, and it was depressing as hell just walking around there.

I see. The brand owner flogs the franchisees so hard that the franchise owners pretty much all turn around and abuse their labor.

If we had journalists left in the US, this kind of thing might get covered. It would probably be a compelling case study of hard right economic predation in action.

225 Skip Intro  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 6:01:20pm

re: #222 EPR-radar

Is there a known reason for Radio Shack to be especially hellish to work at (e.g., founded by a frustrated martinet?).

I worked at a computer center (yeah, they had those once upon a time) as a trainer, so I was spared most of the crap the poor bastards who worked the sales floor had to put up with. Still had to clean the toilets, though.

Radio Shack works their people like mules, pays them nothing, and spys on them constantly. We had an alarm system that monitored when the store was opened, and when it was closed. Open a minute late, you get a phone call. Close more than 15 minutes late and they assume you’re stealing and they schedule an inventory check.

If you’re the store manager, they ship you crap you didn’t order and can’t sell because, well, it’s total crap, but you get penalized for not selling it. As a manager, you work 80 hours a week (no overtime, you’re management), and can expect surprise inspections from corporate with no notice, and periodically the auditors come in, locking the doors so no one can leave while they check the inventory. You don’t get paid for that, either.

I know when I spent my time in hell there in the 1980s ,the CEO was a bible thumping, RW asshole in Fort Worth who liked to write “folksy” copy for the companies flyers. Pure smarmy crap that did nothing to move product.

What I don’t understand is how they’re still in business. Every single thing they touched went to crap.

226 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 6:01:40pm

re: #139 Official Lab Rat In Gay Radical Experiment

Something tells me VA. Texan goes by an alter ego, like Master_Daddy on FETLIFE.

I mean, how many of these guys like this are really just closet sexual Doms?

As a Dom myself, I find these assholes revolting. I’ve noted that many in the kink community aren’t dominants, but abusers. Kink just gives them an excuse to be assholes.

227 piratedan  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 6:01:42pm

re: #214 NJDhockeyfan

well that cow isn’t going to milk itself, is it?

228 Skip Intro  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 6:04:58pm

re: #224 EPR-radar

I see. The brand owner flogs the franchisees so hard that the franchise owners pretty much all turn around and abuse their labor.

If we had journalists left in the US, this kind of thing might get covered. It would probably be a compelling case study of hard right economic predation in action.

Most RS stores aren’t franchises. I doubt that any franchisee takes the kind of crap an employee of RS does.

229 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 6:05:48pm

re: #225 Skip Intro

What I don’t understand is how they’re still in business. Every single thing they touched went to crap.

For some of the stuff they sold, there was no one else in the market. I’m amazed Amazon et. al. haven’t driven them totally out of business yet.

230 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 6:06:54pm

re: #228 Skip Intro

This was a small community. The dude ran the RS franchise and a business products business out of a storefront. Not the normal RS store, by any stretch.

231 Skip Intro  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 6:10:32pm

re: #230 Rev_Arthur_Belling

This was a small community. The dude ran the RS franchise and a business products business out of a storefront. Not the normal RS store, by any stretch.

Yeah, that’s the only place you’ll find a franchise store. We’ve got one near where I live. Not the typical Radio Shack store at all.

232 EPR-radar  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 6:14:34pm

re: #226 Romantic Heretic

As a Dom myself, I find these assholes revolting. I’ve noted that many in the kink community aren’t dominants, but abusers. Kink just gives them an excuse to be assholes.

That’s a very forgiving way to put it. IMO, someone who is into kink who doesn’t get full consent is pretty much a rapist.

233 chadu  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 6:17:51pm

re: #132 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]

I don’t know what that is, but I’m kinda in love with it.

234 chadu  Tue, Mar 18, 2014 6:28:52pm

re: #147 Kragar

Aha! Been waiting for one of them!
SNAFFLED.


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