Glenn Beck Thinks His Network Is Led by “A Higher Power”

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If by “higher power” you mean a mental institution, then yes, yes you are.

With every passing day it becomes more and more obvious that Glenn Beck is willfully ignorant and will continue to repeat things on air that have already been debunked because he simply will not allow the truth to get in the way of his agenda.

As we noted just the other day, Beck has been claiming that the world was shocked to recently learn that, back during the 2008 economic crisis, Russia approached China about the possibility of selling off massive amounts of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac securities in order to create even more chaos. Beck claimed that if people simply watched the programming on his network, they would have known this fact a whole eight months ago.

Last night, he made this same point again, only now adding that his staff “is being led by a higher power” that is allowing them to always be well ahead of the rest of the news media.

Of course, as we pointed out last time, this particular piece of information had been known for years because former Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson revealed it in the book he published back in 2010

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387 comments
1 Skip Intro  Mar 20, 2014 10:08:16am

I like Beck’s new Colonel Sanders look. Maybe an endorsement deal with KFC is in the works.

Then again, there’s the brown shirt and tie with patches. Beck’s latest acquisition of Nazi memorabilia?

2 Kragar  Mar 20, 2014 10:09:07am

And by higher, he means sniffing glue

3 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 10:09:13am

Glenn, please seek help.

4 Political Atheist  Mar 20, 2014 10:11:54am

Yes Glen, those studio lights are 220v. Heh, your higher power is a union technician.

5 William of Orange  Mar 20, 2014 10:13:07am

6 Kilroy01  Mar 20, 2014 10:16:13am

Here is his higher power

7 missliberties  Mar 20, 2014 10:16:55am

No Mr. Beck. It is being led by low IQ conspiracy theorists who are really really easy to manipulate with fear and insane conspiracy theories.

People who think that if you hear things on your teevee they are absolutely irrefutable.

8 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 10:17:06am

re: #6 Kilroy01

Here is his higher power

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Glenn Beck in Goldmember.

9 Skip Intro  Mar 20, 2014 10:19:23am

re: #3 HappyWarrior

Glenn, please seek help.

Not a chance. Being insane on TV/radio/the innertubes can make you rich.

10 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 10:19:30am

He asks often why people lump in him with Alex Jones. Well Glenn. I know it can be a pain in the ass but listen to yourself speak some time. Hell, I’d say Beck may be even more crazy than Jones given his delusions of grandeur about himself. Jones just thinks crazy shit about other people. Beck thinks crazy shit about other people and thinks he’s the one to save us.

11 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 10:19:50am

re: #9 Skip Intro

Not a chance. Being insane on TV/radio/the innertubes can make you rich.

The Coughlin-Limbaugh model, aye.

12 Kragar  Mar 20, 2014 10:19:51am

“Why do you want to have all that worthless cash lying around when you could buy these outrageously expensive gold coins which you’ll only be able to cash in for a fraction of the price you pay us?”

13 William of Orange  Mar 20, 2014 10:20:35am

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14 Charles Johnson  Mar 20, 2014 10:20:51am
15 Ian G.  Mar 20, 2014 10:21:00am

re: #1 Skip Intro

Then again, there’s the brown shirt and tie with patches. Beck’s latest acquisition of Nazi memorabilia?

Seriously, that’s the first thought I had. Glenn’s getting his SA look going.

16 wrenchwench  Mar 20, 2014 10:21:34am
[…]

“When Laura, Jeremy and I first decided that we were going to form this organization - even before we talked to Pierre and once we did - we put as literally one of top goals that we were going to be more diverse than every other media organization of similar size and stature,” Greenwald says.

The first wave of hires didn’t reflect this desire, Greenwald acknowledges. The Intercept ended up launching a few months earlier than originally intended - Greenwald and company wanted to get more reporting on those NSA documents out there - before it was fully staffed, and the staff it did have happened to be mostly white men.

“I was so disappointed, and I think - I know that Laura and Jeremy were, too — that at launch we just did not have the diversity that we intended to have and that we will have, because I felt like that was a really important opportunity to send the opposite message,” Greenwald says. “Ideally we would’ve launched, in a perfect world, in like May or June and been vastly more diverse. But we will be, and shortly.”

[…]

“The reality is with small efforts you can put together a top-notch staff that’s diverse,” Greenwald says. “If all you’re going to do is say, ‘I’m looking at the New York Times and the Washington Post and AP and the Wall Street Journal and NBC,’ you’re going to end up thinking, oh my god, there’s a dearth of good women national security reporters because all those places are predominantly male.”

[…]

Emphasis added.

If the effort needed is small, the part about not having enough time is bullshit, or the part about ‘literally one of top goals’ is bullshit. Or it’s all bullshit.

17 Skip Intro  Mar 20, 2014 10:27:04am

re: #16 wrenchwench

You go to post with the hacks you have—-not the hacks you might want or wish to have at a later time.

- Donald Rumsfield.

18 nines09  Mar 20, 2014 10:32:02am

What can you say about Loony Boy that hasn’t been said? That people buy his bullshit speaks volumes. Fox News. Rush Limbaugh. Levin. Savage. Jones. Here in the age of information we have a thriving multi billion dollar business selling lies and historical revisionism, fear, loathing, hatred, bigotry, racism and ignorance. Look at the Koch brothers. They know if they just keep on saying the same lie it will become “what people heard and know.” Result? Mental Giants like this winning GOP primaries. And sitting in positions of power.
Money is buying us stupider and stupider and selling it as wisdom.

19 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2014 10:32:36am

There’s that word again—wingnuts. Bwahahahahaha!

Worth at least 2 min of hysterical laughter. : )

20 Charles Johnson  Mar 20, 2014 10:32:45am

re: #16 wrenchwench

Emphasis added.

If the effort needed is small, the part about not having enough time is bullshit, or the part about ‘literally one of top goals’ is bullshit. Or it’s all bullshit.

It’s all bullshit. Greenwald’s main priority in his hires has been to reward the sycophants who’ve been sucking up to him for years. Most of those clowns are dudebros, so that’s why most of the people he’s hiring are dudebros.

It’s just a complete joke to call this a “media company.” It’s a vanity project built by a nihilist asshole.

21 Skip Intro  Mar 20, 2014 10:34:47am

re: #18 nines09

What can you say about Loony Boy that hasn’t been said? That people buy his bullshit speaks volumes. Fox News. Rush Limbaugh. Levin. Savage. Jones. Here in the age of information we have a thriving multi billion dollar business selling lies and historical revisionism, fear, loathing, hatred, bigotry, racism and ignorance. Look at the Koch brothers. They know if they just keep on saying the same lie it will become “what people heard and know.” Result? Mental Giants like this winning GOP primaries. And sitting in positions of power.
Money is buying us stupider and stupider and selling it as wisdom.

The Republicans love their crazies, no matter what some here might think.

22 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2014 10:34:52am

re: #20 Charles Johnson

It’s all bullshit. Greenwald’s main priority in his hires has been to reward the sycophants who’ve been sucking up to him for years. Most of those clowns are dudebros, so that’s why most of the people he’s hiring are dudebros.

It’s just a complete joke to call this a “media company.” It’s a vanity project built by a nihilist asshole.

In his case, a wingnut with 2 wings. And no nuts.

23 Skip Intro  Mar 20, 2014 10:36:11am

re: #20 Charles Johnson

It’s just a complete joke to call this a “media company.” It’s a vanity project built by a nihilist asshole.

It’s going to be very easy to get this thread confused with the Glenn Beck thread. I almost just did it myself.

24 nines09  Mar 20, 2014 10:37:04am

re: #21 Skip Intro

And what if they win? We can mock them all we want, but if they win…Beck and his legion of ignorance wins too.

25 Pie-onist Overlord  Mar 20, 2014 10:37:08am

Janie blocked me and then spammed the Fake Columbia ID as a gigantic turd.

26 wrenchwench  Mar 20, 2014 10:37:38am

re: #23 Skip Intro

It’s going to be very easy to get this thread confused with the Glenn Beck thread. I almost just did it myself.

I went OT too soon!

Back to work.

27 Kragar  Mar 20, 2014 10:38:12am

House Republicans say “Fuck you National Parks!”

28 Pie-onist Overlord  Mar 20, 2014 10:40:03am

re: #27 Kragar

House Republicans say “Fuck you National Parks!”

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HURR HURR!!!! OBAMA CLOSED TEH NATIONAL MONUMENTS TO ARE BRAVE VETS!!!!!

DRILL IN YELLOWSTONE1!!!!!!!!!

29 Lidane  Mar 20, 2014 10:40:36am

re: #27 Kragar

House Republicans say “Fuck you National Parks!”

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Teddy Roosevelt is not amused.

30 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 20, 2014 10:40:54am

re: #25 Pie-onist Overlord

Janie blocked me and then spammed the Fake Columbia ID as a gigantic turd.

And it took you 3 days to get that to happen? You must be slipping in your old age. (Running for cover)

RBS

31 Skip Intro  Mar 20, 2014 10:41:22am

re: #24 nines09

And what if they win? We can mock them all we want, but if they win…Beck and his legion of ignorance wins too.

They are winning, IMO.

32 Skip Intro  Mar 20, 2014 10:42:13am

re: #27 Kragar

House Republicans say “Fuck you National Parks!”

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Is there nothing these assholes won’t try? They really do want to roll back the clock 100+ years.

33 Kragar  Mar 20, 2014 10:42:51am

re: #32 Skip Intro

Is there nothing these assholes won’t try? They really do want to roll back the clock 100+ years.

Needs at least 1 more 0

34 Pie-onist Overlord  Mar 20, 2014 10:43:05am

re: #30 RealityBasedSteve

And it took you 3 days to get that to happen? You must be slipping in your old age. (Running for cover)

RBS

Janie spammed the Fake Columbia ID right after our little dustup. It’s been retweeted by her janiebots like a million times.

She is like Glenn Greenwald of Teh Wingnut Twitters, but without the mad journalism skills.

35 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2014 10:43:54am

Gunvor Group Ltd is a global commodity trading company registered in Cyprus, with its main trading office in Geneva, Switzerland (Wiki)

There’s a shitload of Russian rubles in Cyprus.

36 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 20, 2014 10:44:49am

re: #34 Pie-onist Overlord

Janie spammed the Fake Columbia ID right after our little dustup. It’s been retweeted by her janiebots like a million times.

She is like Glenn Greenwald of Teh Wingnut Twitters, but without the mad journalism skills.

Sort of like saying, “Like the winner of a leper beauty contest, but without the good looks”

RBS

37 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 10:46:11am

re: #27 Kragar

House Republicans say “Fuck you National Parks!”

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And yet we’re to believe Obama cackled evilily while denying WWII veterans access to the WWII memorial. These guys suck. National parks are treasures.

38 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 20, 2014 10:46:31am

re: #33 Kragar

Needs at least 1 more 0

I keep saying that they want to take us back to the ’50s, I just don’t know if it’s 1950s, 1850s, or more and more, 1750s.

RBS

39 Ian G.  Mar 20, 2014 10:47:12am

re: #27 Kragar

House Republicans say “Fuck you National Parks!”

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Well, hopefully it has as much chance of becoming law as the 50 attempts to repeal the ACA.

Or did I miss a more recent attempt at repeal?

40 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 10:47:34am

re: #32 Skip Intro

Is there nothing these assholes won’t try? They really do want to roll back the clock 100+ years.

They haven’t tried repealing the 13th amendment yet. And I’m not sure if I can say that sarcastically since while I doubt none of them personally would support slavery, they probably naively believe that slavery not being illegal wouldn’t result in slavery re-occuring since it already does occur with its outlawing.

41 darthstar  Mar 20, 2014 10:47:49am
42 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 10:47:51am

re: #38 RealityBasedSteve

I keep saying that they want to take us back to the ’50s, I just don’t know if it’s 1950s, 1850s, or more and more, 1750s.

RBS

BC or AD?//

43 Lidane  Mar 20, 2014 10:48:25am

re: #38 RealityBasedSteve

I keep saying that they want to take us back to the ’50s, I just don’t know if it’s 1950s, 1850s, or more and more, 1750s.

RBS

1350s. They want to take us back to the century before Gutenberg invented movable type.

44 Ian G.  Mar 20, 2014 10:49:06am

re: #29 Lidane

Teddy Roosevelt is not amused.

TR would be a left-wing Democrat today.

45 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 10:49:16am

re: #43 Lidane

1350s. They want to take us back to the century before Gutenberg invented movable type.

Literacy is a Soros plot.

46 darthstar  Mar 20, 2014 10:49:36am

re: #38 RealityBasedSteve

I keep saying that they want to take us back to the ’50s, I just don’t know if it’s 1950s, 1850s, or more and more, 1750s.

RBS

1350s

47 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2014 10:50:04am

re: #44 Ian G.

TR would be a left-wing Democrat today.

TR would have put solar panels all over DC.

48 Pie-onist Overlord  Mar 20, 2014 10:51:03am

re: #46 darthstar

1350s
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Weren’t there same-sex marriages in the 14th century?

49 William of Orange  Mar 20, 2014 10:51:06am

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50 Lidane  Mar 20, 2014 10:51:06am

re: #40 HappyWarrior

They haven’t tried repealing the 13th amendment yet. And I’m not sure if I can say that sarcastically since while I doubt none of them personally would support slavery, they probably naively believe that slavery not being illegal wouldn’t result in slavery re-occuring since it already does occur with its outlawing.

They’d want to leave outlawing slavery up to the states. You know, because owning another human being is something you should vote on.

51 Skip Intro  Mar 20, 2014 10:51:21am

Why I worry about the upcoming elections.

52 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 10:51:49am

re: #50 Lidane

They’d want to leave outlawing slavery up to the states. You know, because owning another human being is something you should vote on.

That’s right. I was referring more to the naivete on the market place but this works excellently too.

53 Kragar  Mar 20, 2014 10:51:58am

TR would be waiting out side Congress with his shirt off.

54 AntonSirius  Mar 20, 2014 10:52:19am

Higher power? You mean like Vince McMahon?

That would explain so much, actually.

55 William of Orange  Mar 20, 2014 10:52:22am

Beck’s audience.

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56 Ian G.  Mar 20, 2014 10:52:29am

re: #51 Skip Intro

Why I worry about the upcoming elections.

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Yeah, that cartoon is unfortunately pretty accurate.

57 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 10:53:08am

re: #51 Skip Intro

Why I worry about the upcoming elections.

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Yeah. The Dems need to find a way to motivate their base to come out during off year elections too. It was really troubling to read about a Pro-Clinton PAC that is sitting this one out. The fuck are they thinking. If they want Hillary to be president and a successful one at that, she needs a strong Democratic Congress behind her.

58 Ian G.  Mar 20, 2014 10:54:27am

re: #53 Kragar

My favorite TR photo is this one:

Image: Muir_and_Roosevelt_restored.jpg

Seeing that there’s a little bit of snow on the ground, I guess it was pretty chilly when the photo was taken. Still….can you imagine hiking to Glacier Point in that 3-piece suit Muir is wearing?

59 Pie-onist Overlord  Mar 20, 2014 10:55:50am

re: #58 Ian G.

My favorite TR photo is this one:

Image: Muir_and_Roosevelt_restored.jpg

Seeing that there’s a little bit of snow on the ground, I guess it was pretty chilly when the photo was taken. Still….can you imagine hiking to Glacier Point in that 3-piece suit Muir is wearing?

If it’s high in the mountains there would be snow on the ground even during summer.

60 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 20, 2014 10:57:44am

re: #55 William of Orange

Beck’s audience.

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The problem is that there is no “Sanity Clause”

ta-ta-TUM

Thank you, I’ll be here all week. Try the veal

RBS

61 Kragar  Mar 20, 2014 11:04:37am

So totally off topic:

While I enjoy the concept and storyline of the movie Equilibrium, the fight scenes were utter and complete shit.

Just needed to get that out there.

62 Kragar  Mar 20, 2014 11:05:51am
63 GunstarGreen  Mar 20, 2014 11:05:52am

re: #3 HappyWarrior

Glenn, please seek help.

He’s not crazy. He’s a grifter. He knows that his audience will eat up ‘lead by a higher power’ because they believe in that sort of thing and they want to believe that they’re morally superior folks for getting their info(tainment) from ‘divine sources’.

Snake oil salesmen never went away. It’s just that our society finally got over snake oil, so now the salesmen have moved on to the next thing that stupid rubes will buy by the truckload. That thing is currently ‘unbiased newz’.

Thus is Capitalism.

64 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2014 11:06:06am

Russian troops storm Ukraine’s warship in Crimea:

live.aljazeera.com

“Ukraine’s defence ministry on Thursday said around 20 gunmen seized a Ukrainian warship, the Ternopil, in the port of Sevastopol in Crimea.

(snip)

“On Facebook, Seleznyov said pro-Moscow armed men and Russian soldiers cordoned off the area, while a boat with the gunmen on board approached the Ternopil and stormed it.

(snip)

“Called by AFP, an officer on board the Slavutich, a second Ukrainian warship next to the Ternopil, did not answer.”

65 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 11:06:26am

re: #63 GunstarGreen

He’s not crazy. He’s a grifter. He knows that his audience will eat up ‘lead by a higher power’ because they believe in that sort of thing and they want to believe that they’re morally superior folks for getting their info(tainment) from ‘divine sources’.

Snake oil salesmen never went away. It’s just that our society finally got over snake oil, so now the salesmen have moved on to the next thing that stupid rubes will buy by the truckload. That thing is currently ‘unbiased newz’.

Thus is Capitalism.

Ah good point with the snake oil man analogy.

66 Pie-onist Overlord  Mar 20, 2014 11:07:26am

Dear Wingnut:
The reason for the US slide in math, reading & science has nothing to do with FLOTUS. It has to do with home-schooling & creationism.

67 FemNaziBitch  Mar 20, 2014 11:08:26am

Glenn has a hard time keeping his AA separate from his job. If I want sobriety, I’ll look for a higher power in a 12-step group, no a fake news entertainer.

68 GunstarGreen  Mar 20, 2014 11:08:45am

re: #65 HappyWarrior

Ah good point with the snake oil man analogy.

Mm-hmm.

If you want to have a few good chuckles, compare the pitches and style of typical snake oil (or whatever other tonic/elixir) sales weasel and those of modern-day precious metals/coins sales weasels (goldline and their similars). The more things change, the more they stay the same…

69 Kragar  Mar 20, 2014 11:09:14am

re: #63 GunstarGreen

re: #65 HappyWarrior

The term you’re looking for is “Mountebank”

: a dishonest person

: a person who tricks and cheats other people

: a person who sells quack medicines from a platform

: a boastful unscrupulous pretender

: charlatan

70 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 11:10:09am

re: #69 Kragar

The term you’re looking for is “Mountebank”

: a dishonest person

: a person who tricks and cheats other people

: a person who sells quack medicines from a platform

: a boastful unscrupulous pretender

: charlatan

And I have my daily learned something new, a thank oyu and an upding for you.

71 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 11:11:15am

re: #66 Pie-onist Overlord

Dear Wingnut:
The reason for the US slide in math, reading & science has nothing to do with FLOTUS. It has to do with home-schooling & creationism.

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Yeah pay no attention to the right who thinks creation is sound science or who have never met a cut to education spending they haven’t liked. It’s Michelle’s fault. Brilliant wingnut, did that fat prick Limbaugh tell you that one?

72 Killgore Trout  Mar 20, 2014 11:11:15am

re: #64 Justanotherhuman

Russian troops storm Ukraine’s warship in Crimea:

live.aljazeera.com

“Ukraine’s defence ministry on Thursday said around 20 gunmen seized a Ukrainian warship, the Ternopil, in the port of Sevastopol in Crimea.

(snip)

“On Facebook, Seleznyov said pro-Moscow armed men and Russian soldiers cordoned off the area, while a boat with the gunmen on board approached the Ternopil and stormed it.

(snip)

“Called by AFP, an officer on board the Slavutich, a second Ukrainian warship next to the Ternopil, did not answer.”

The referendum in Crimea is a legal grey area but taking the entire navy can’t possibly be legal. Those ships ain’t cheap, that’s a lot of free stuff for Russia.

73 darthstar  Mar 20, 2014 11:11:55am
74 Bulworth  Mar 20, 2014 11:12:17am

re: #66 Pie-onist Overlord

“Moochelle”? Man, these are some classy folks. Only concerned about policy issues, obviously.

//

75 FemNaziBitch  Mar 20, 2014 11:12:21am

re: #43 Lidane

1350s. They want to take us back to the century before Gutenberg invented movable type.

QFT —yes and the illiterate masses have to trust the intelligensia/clergy to tell the what is written.

76 kirkspencer  Mar 20, 2014 11:14:13am

re: #62 Kragar

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Would it surprise you to learn that’s yet another fake quote?

77 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2014 11:14:51am

ONLY ON KIRO 7: Seattle police re-examine Kurt Cobain death

kirotv.com

“Nearly 20 years after Nirvana lead singer Kurt Cobain was found dead in his home near Lake Washington, Seattle police have reexamined the case.

“Last month, police developed four rolls of film that had been sitting for years in a Seattle police evidence vault. The 35 mm film was processed by the King County Sheriff’s Office photo lab under high security.

“Though the pictures have a slight green tint because of deterioration, police say they more clearly show the scene than the earlier Polaroid photos taken by investigators. ” More

78 Kragar  Mar 20, 2014 11:15:22am

re: #71 HappyWarrior

Yeah pay no attention to the right who thinks creation is sound science or who have never met a cut to education spending they haven’t liked. It’s Michelle’s fault. Brilliant wingnut, did that fat prick Limbaugh tell you that one?

79 Kragar  Mar 20, 2014 11:16:02am

re: #76 kirkspencer

Would it surprise you to learn that’s yet another fake quote?

Dang it, but I like that one for Fred Phelps.

80 Pie-onist Overlord  Mar 20, 2014 11:16:21am

This one is dressed conservatively and has her finger off the trigger.
GUN-FUCKING SCORE: 2 GUNS OUT OF 5

81 Gus  Mar 20, 2014 11:16:23am

Yes, because education is about competing with Estonia on global education test comparisons. Education as sport. It’s the American way.

82 Gus  Mar 20, 2014 11:17:08am

We need to spend more money on education! From the article:

“While the U.S. spends more per student than most countries, this does not translate into better performance. For example, the Slovak Republic, which spends around USD 53,000 per student, performs at the same level as the United States, which spends over USD 115,000 per student.”

Well.

83 Kragar  Mar 20, 2014 11:17:32am

re: #79 Kragar

Dang it, but I like that one for Fred Phelps.

Ah, I see it came from Clarence Darrow, so its not fake, just misattributed.

84 FemNaziBitch  Mar 20, 2014 11:18:12am
What do you say to people who make the argument that legalizing drugs will increase usage?

First thing I ask them is, “If it’s legal tomorrow, what drug are you going to use? Cocaine, heroin, meth?” Bottom line is, no one ever says, “Yeah, I can’t wait to go try meth.” Drugs are so easy to get that anyone who wants to use them can get them already. Even in prison you can get them. In all of America, there is not one drug-free prison. If you can’t keep drugs out of a prison, how are you going to keep drugs out of a free society?

…

We meandered for the next several hours as I interviewed him about the drug war that he helped to wage and now blames for the ruination of the city he once called home. As the executive director of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP), Franklin—along with 3,500 other former cops, judges, and district attorneys—is on a crusade to make all drugs legal.

also Paged

85 ObserverArt  Mar 20, 2014 11:18:37am

re: #80 Pie-onist Overlord

This one is dressed conservatively and has her finger off the trigger.
GUN-FUCKING SCORE: 2 GUNS OUT OF 5

Freedom lasts as long as we are not afraid to speak out against Federal Tyranny! #tcot #tlot #2A

I guess they are all for letting the gun do the talking. Speak = shoot???

86 Pie-onist Overlord  Mar 20, 2014 11:19:21am

re: #85 ObserverArt

I guess they are all for letting the gun do the talking. Speak = shoot???

HURR HURR!!!!! TEH 2ND AMENDMENT PERTECKS ALL TEH OTHER AMENDMENTS, WHATEVER THEY ARE!!!!!!

87 darthstar  Mar 20, 2014 11:19:43am
88 darthstar  Mar 20, 2014 11:21:56am
89 wrenchwench  Mar 20, 2014 11:24:07am

OK, maybe I was rude.

Oh well.

90 Political Atheist  Mar 20, 2014 11:24:58am

re: #66 Pie-onist Overlord

Dear Wingnut:
The reason for the US slide in math, reading & science has nothing to do with FLOTUS. It has to do with home-schooling & creationism.

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Sorry my friend, must disagree. Last study on home schooling I found showed better test scores than public schools.

Not in my town it doesn’t. Probably not in a lot of others. See LAUSD. If I had a kid, he or she would be home schooled rather than LAUSD if it were legal. they say it is not here.

91 chadu  Mar 20, 2014 11:25:20am

re: #27 Kragar

House Republicans say “Fuck you National Parks!”

This image is now totes true!

92 chadu  Mar 20, 2014 11:26:10am

re: #29 Lidane

Teddy Roosevelt is not amused.

Scooped and dinged, but I have a peektyoor.

93 chadu  Mar 20, 2014 11:28:18am

re: #50 Lidane

They’d want to leave outlawing slavery up to the states. You know, because owning another human being is something you should vote on.

94 chadu  Mar 20, 2014 11:29:17am

re: #53 Kragar

TR would be waiting out side Congress with his shirt off.[Embedded image]

Scooped, dinged, *with* a peektyoor!

My peektyoor has a caption.

(grasping; straws)

95 Dr. Matt  Mar 20, 2014 11:29:53am

To celebrate its upcoming birthday, Twitter has launched a tool that lets you plug in a username and it’ll show you the first tweet on that timeline: discover.twitter.com

96 chadu  Mar 20, 2014 11:30:55am

re: #67 FemNaziBitch

Glenn has a hard time keeping his AA separate from his job. If I want sobriety, I’ll look for a higher power in a 12-step group, no a fake news entertainer.

I was thinking NA, myself.

97 Pie-onist Overlord  Mar 20, 2014 11:32:49am

re: #96 chadu

I was thinking NA, myself.

NA=Narcissists Anonymous?

98 chadu  Mar 20, 2014 11:32:55am

re: #75 FemNaziBitch

QFT —yes and the illiterate masses have to trust the intelligensia/clergy to tell the what is written.

I liked this movie better when it was called “the Protestant Reformation.”

No, wait: I was raised Catholic.

No, wait: I benefited from the Renaissance.

No, wait…

99 Dr. Matt  Mar 20, 2014 11:34:09am

re: #95 Dr. Matt

To celebrate its upcoming birthday, Twitter has launched a tool that lets you plug in a username and it’ll show you the first tweet on that timeline: discover.twitter.com

My first tweet *sheds a tear*

100 chadu  Mar 20, 2014 11:34:24am

re: #80 Pie-onist Overlord

This one is dressed conservatively and has her finger off the trigger.
GUN-FUCKING SCORE: 2 GUNS OUT OF 5

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-1 GUN FOR HIPSTER HAT

101 FemNaziBitch  Mar 20, 2014 11:34:38am

Written by a Male Survivor of Sexual Assault:

It is incredibly hard to report sexual assault.
The community often reacts: “What did he do to her that she would want to get back at him like this?” This assumes the victim is out for revenge. In fact, reporting an assault is a terrible strategy for vengeance, because victims are sometimes—I’d say usually—viciously blamed. When I started talking about my assault, many friends didn’t get it, for reasons I’ll explain in a moment. I was furthermore humiliated Internet-wide after the New York Post published mostly bogus articles about my case. It turned out the church that employed my assailant had its lawyer contact the Post’s lawyer. Afterward, a clarification that removed culpability from the church was appended to the articles. This is exactly the kind of revictimization survivors can experience.

Yes, victims can feel vengeful. They have every right to that feeling. But every single survivor I’ve met ultimately seems to have made her report in the interests of justice, not necessarily to hurt the assailant, but to prevent him or her from hurting others. That takes massive courage.

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102 Kragar  Mar 20, 2014 11:35:49am

While I really don’t care much about sports, I do love it when there are big upsets.

103 Skip Intro  Mar 20, 2014 11:36:45am

re: #80 Pie-onist Overlord

This one is dressed conservatively and has her finger off the trigger.
GUN-FUCKING SCORE: 2 GUNS OUT OF 5

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OK, I think I’m getting it now. If you’re not wearing any clothes, you’re defending yourself against rape.

If you are, you’re defending yourself against the libturds.

104 chadu  Mar 20, 2014 11:36:54am

re: #97 Pie-onist Overlord

NA=Narcissists Anonymous?

*high-hat, rimshot*

Good one!

Actually, Narcotics Anonymous.

105 b.d.  Mar 20, 2014 11:37:35am

re: #89 wrenchwench

OK, maybe I was rude.

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Oh well.

Well, you were right, it was a better one.

The 1st one was a Greenwaldian press release yet again promising more diversity while he fills his white male dudebro stable.

106 Dr. Matt  Mar 20, 2014 11:38:24am

re: #102 Kragar

#dayton says “EFF YO BRACKETS!” pic.twitter.com
— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) March 20, 2014

They fucked my bracket, but seeing the buckeyes get upset in the first round is worth it.

107 chadu  Mar 20, 2014 11:39:28am

re: #103 Skip Intro

OK, I think I’m getting it now. If you’re not wearing any clothes, you’re defending yourself against rape.

If you are, you’re defending yourself against the libturds.

So, “dressed like that, she was asking for it, unless she has a gun”?

Or are these folks saying that these women want to lure rapists towards them (by the way they dress) so they can shoot them? Like using a decoy or something when hunting?

…

Like a duck decoy?

…

108 Ian G.  Mar 20, 2014 11:39:42am

re: #102 Kragar

So much for that billion dollars. At least it appears that I picked correctly in the Pitt-Colorado game.

109 Pie-onist Overlord  Mar 20, 2014 11:40:24am

re: #104 chadu

*high-hat, rimshot*

Good one!

Actually, Narcotics Anonymous.

I got my Glenns mixed up. Greenwald needs Narcissists Anonymous.

110 Varek Raith  Mar 20, 2014 11:40:31am

111 darthstar  Mar 20, 2014 11:43:41am

re: #89 wrenchwench

OK, maybe I was rude.

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Oh well.

You weren’t rude. You just committed the sin of linking an article that wasn’t about Greenwald.

112 FemNaziBitch  Mar 20, 2014 11:43:55am

re: #96 chadu

I was thinking NA, myself.

I thought Glenn was a recovering alcoholic —no?

113 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2014 11:44:34am

Actually, another bulletin has the Taliban taking credit for this attack.

Taliban spokesman Zabilah Mujahid tells NBC News they claim responsibility for attack on Serena hotel in Kabul
end of alert

Gunmen ‘attack Kabul luxury hotel’

bbc.com

114 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 11:44:40am

re: #112 FemNaziBitch

I thought Glenn was a recovering alcoholic —no?

I think he’s both recovering druggie and alcoholic.

115 FemNaziBitch  Mar 20, 2014 11:44:59am

re: #114 HappyWarrior

I think he’s both recovering druggie and alcoholic.

ah!

116 Kragar  Mar 20, 2014 11:44:59am

re: #98 chadu

Did those links I provide you with yesterday help at all?

117 Dr. Matt  Mar 20, 2014 11:45:12am

Warren Buffet laughs hysterically as everyone tears up their brackets.

118 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2014 11:45:35am

re: #114 HappyWarrior

I think he’s both recovering druggie and alcoholic.

Yes, an admitted cocaine head in his younger days.

119 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 11:45:51am

re: #118 Justanotherhuman

Yes, an admitted cocaine head in his younger days.

Still acts the part.

120 darthstar  Mar 20, 2014 11:46:22am
121 Romantic Heretic  Mar 20, 2014 11:48:07am

re: #9 Skip Intro

Not a chance. Being insane on TV/radio/the innertubes can make you rich.

Being mentally ill myself, maybe I should take a shot at this path to wealth.

Oh, wait. No I can’t. I’m still have ethics and so I worry about how I affect other people, society and the world at large.

Damn these morals. //

122 FemNaziBitch  Mar 20, 2014 11:48:40am

re: #121 Romantic Heretic

Being mentally ill myself, maybe I should take a shot at this path to wealth.

Oh, wait. No I can’t. I’m still have ethics and so I worry about how I affect other people, society and the world at large.

Damn these morals. //

Sucks, I know.

123 darthstar  Mar 20, 2014 11:48:41am
124 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 11:50:03am

re: #123 darthstar

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Not to mention the worst stomach ache ever.

125 Romantic Heretic  Mar 20, 2014 11:50:57am

re: #18 nines09

Result? Mental Giants like this winning GOP primaries. And sitting in positions of power.

You need only look at her and you can see that here is a person who is rarely if ever troubled by thought.

Scary.

126 chadu  Mar 20, 2014 11:52:29am

re: #112 FemNaziBitch

I thought Glenn was a recovering alcoholic —no?

No idea.

A sober asshole is still an asshole.

127 jaunte  Mar 20, 2014 11:52:47am

re: #125 Romantic Heretic

“Gay marriage is not appropriate, and it doesn’t look right, and it breeds AIDS,” she added.

Science!

128 chadu  Mar 20, 2014 11:53:14am

re: #119 HappyWarrior

Still acts the part.

“Dry drunk.”

Much like GWB.

129 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 11:55:02am

re: #128 chadu

“Dry drunk.”

Much like GWB.

Yep. And honestly I don’t think AA has helped him a damn bit. It’s supposed to teach you humility. Something he sorely lacks.

130 chadu  Mar 20, 2014 11:55:13am

re: #120 darthstar

131 BongCrodny  Mar 20, 2014 11:56:49am

Just…wowie wowie wow wow wow.

Illinois Republicans Nominate Candidate Who Blames Gay Rights For Autism And Tornadoes

Republican Outreach, Part….fuck, I don’t know. I’ve lost track.

Check out this Daily Herald interview with the two Republican Congressional candidates.

9th Congressional District GOP hopefuls differ on many issues

Yep, that’s right: the articulate, intelligent one LOST. Could it be because…? No, no, it *couldn’t* be. Right? Right?

132 FemNaziBitch  Mar 20, 2014 11:56:56am

Why Does the Religious Right Think the Bible Should Trump America’s Laws?

So one of the questions raised by the Hobby Lobby case is whether sex equality and reproductive justice are second-class rights. Should sexual-based justice or gender-based justice enjoy the same constitutional status as racial-based justice, or do they, well, enjoy a kind of second-class status when compared with racial equality or free exercise of religion?

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133 Bulworth  Mar 20, 2014 11:57:28am

re: #125 Romantic Heretic

While explaining her platform in January, Atanus told the Chicago Daily Herald that “God is angry” because the United States is “provoking him with abortions and same-sex marriage and civil unions.

Wow, if God is really super mad about ‘civil unions’ then it would probably just be better to go all the way and let teh gays marry everywhere.

//

134 Kragar  Mar 20, 2014 11:57:29am
135 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2014 11:57:31am

re: #27 Kragar

House Republicans say “Fuck you National Parks!”

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As I read that article, the bill wouldn’t close any existing natural parks or national monuments but it would eliminate the president’s ability to unilaterally designate areas as such.

136 Skip Intro  Mar 20, 2014 11:58:04am

re: #121 Romantic Heretic

Being mentally ill myself, maybe I should take a shot at this path to wealth.

Oh, wait. No I can’t. I’m still have ethics and so I worry about how I affect other people, society and the world at large.

Damn these morals. //

You’ll never get anywhere with that attitude.

137 BongCrodny  Mar 20, 2014 11:58:15am

re: #18 nines09

<blockquoteMental Giants like this winning GOP primaries. And sitting in positions of power.

Ah. Should have read the thread before I posted.

138 FemNaziBitch  Mar 20, 2014 11:58:29am

re: #125 Romantic Heretic

You need only look at her and you can see that here is a person who is rarely if ever troubled by thought.

Scary.

Well, that is scary as hell.

139 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2014 11:58:37am

When people refuse to isolate themselves, quarantine them?

B.C. measles problem deepens as those with symptoms refusing to isolate

theglobeandmail.com

“Health officials in B.C. are warning students who live on campus at the University of the Fraser Valley and staff members who worked the recent Chilliwack Lions Club Music and Dance Festival that they may have been exposed to the measles virus.

“Although officials have told people showing symptoms to isolate themselves for the 21-day incubation period and to then see a doctor, some with the virus have continued to expose others to it, from the Fraser Valley region to Burnaby, just east of Vancouver.” More

140 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 11:58:52am

re: #134 Kragar

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So Glenn’s admitting that his fellow ideologues are Soviet supporters? I wouldn’t admit that if I were you, Glenn.

141 Skip Intro  Mar 20, 2014 11:59:01am

re: #131 BongCrodny

Just…wowie wowie wow wow wow.

Illinois Republicans Nominate Candidate Who Blames Gay Rights For Autism And Tornadoes

Republican Outreach, Part….fuck, I don’t know. I’ve lost track.

Check out this Daily Herald interview with the two Republican Congressional candidates.

9th Congressional District GOP hopefuls differ on many issues

Yep, that’s right: the articulate, intelligent one LOST. Could it be because…? No, no, it *couldn’t* be. Right? Right?

They’re outreaching to the right people, and winning elections. That thought should keep you up at night.

142 FemNaziBitch  Mar 20, 2014 11:59:11am

re: #129 HappyWarrior

Yep. And honestly I don’t think AA has helped him a damn bit. It’s supposed to teach you humility. Something he sorely lacks.

Yeah, he needs a better sponsor.

143 Pie-onist Overlord  Mar 20, 2014 11:59:31am

re: #139 Justanotherhuman

When people refuse to isolate themselves, quarantine them?

B.C. measles problem deepens as those with symptoms refusing to isolate

theglobeandmail.com

“Health officials in B.C. are warning students who live on campus at the University of the Fraser Valley and staff members who worked the recent Chilliwack Lions Club Music and Dance Festival that they may have been exposed to the measles virus.

“Although officials have told people showing symptoms to isolate themselves for the 21-day incubation period and to then see a doctor, some with the virus have continued to expose others to it, from the Fraser Valley region to Burnaby, just east of Vancouver.” More

FUCK YOU ANTI VAXXERS

144 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 11:59:35am

re: #131 BongCrodny

Just…wowie wowie wow wow wow.

Illinois Republicans Nominate Candidate Who Blames Gay Rights For Autism And Tornadoes

Republican Outreach, Part….fuck, I don’t know. I’ve lost track.

Check out this Daily Herald interview with the two Republican Congressional candidates.

9th Congressional District GOP hopefuls differ on many issues

Yep, that’s right: the articulate, intelligent one LOST. Could it be because…? No, no, it *couldn’t* be. Right? Right?

I thought Illinois Republicans were supposed to live on the same planet as us.

145 BongCrodny  Mar 20, 2014 11:59:43am

Re # 18:

Should have read the thread before I posted.

Guess an upding will have to suffice. :-)

146 Kragar  Mar 20, 2014 11:59:44am

re: #135 Dark_Falcon

You’re right, its totally about their irrational hatred of anything Obama does, not any animus against the National Parks they wish to sell out piecemeal to any one with the cash to strip mine.

My mistake.

147 FemNaziBitch  Mar 20, 2014 12:00:04pm

re: #135 Dark_Falcon

As I read that article, the bill wouldn’t close any existing natural parks or national monuments but it would eliminate the president’s ability to unilaterally designate areas as such.

Didn’t Obama just declare a National Park somewhere?

148 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 12:00:06pm

re: #142 FemNaziBitch

Yeah, he needs a better sponsor.

Better sponsor, better program, you name it.

149 Kragar  Mar 20, 2014 12:00:36pm

re: #139 Justanotherhuman

When people refuse to isolate themselves, quarantine them?

B.C. measles problem deepens as those with symptoms refusing to isolate

theglobeandmail.com

“Health officials in B.C. are warning students who live on campus at the University of the Fraser Valley and staff members who worked the recent Chilliwack Lions Club Music and Dance Festival that they may have been exposed to the measles virus.

“Although officials have told people showing symptoms to isolate themselves for the 21-day incubation period and to then see a doctor, some with the virus have continued to expose others to it, from the Fraser Valley region to Burnaby, just east of Vancouver.” More

If you refuse vaccinations, you should be quarantined.

150 Kragar  Mar 20, 2014 12:00:47pm

re: #147 FemNaziBitch

Didn’t Obama just declare a National Park somewhere?

California.

151 FemNaziBitch  Mar 20, 2014 12:00:55pm

re: #144 HappyWarrior

I thought Illinois Republicans were supposed to live on the same planet as us.

NO, that is Illinois Nazis.

152 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 12:00:56pm

re: #146 Kragar

You’re right, its totally about their irrational hatred of anything Obama does, not any animus against the National Parks they wish to sell out piecemeal to any one with the cash to strip mine.

My mistake.

Zing.

153 Pie-onist Overlord  Mar 20, 2014 12:01:20pm

re: #146 Kragar

You’re right, its totally about their irrational hatred of anything Obama does, not any animus against the National Parks they wish to sell out piecemeal to any one with the cash to strip mine.

My mistake.

HURR HURR!!!!! BUT OBAMA SHUT TEH NATIONAL MONUMENTS JUST TO MAKE TEH WW2 VETERANS SUFFER!!!!! WHAT A MONSTER!!!!!!!

154 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 12:01:51pm

re: #151 FemNaziBitch

NO, that is Illinois Nazi’s.

Heh. Seriously though. What the fuck. I had no idea that it was gays that were to blame for me being differently neurologically.

155 FemNaziBitch  Mar 20, 2014 12:01:51pm

re: #149 Kragar

If you refuse vaccinations, you should be quarantined.

It’s a sign of how well vaccinations work. We have generations of people who don’t remember anyone ever having to be quarantined, thus they think it is a violation of their rights.

156 Gus  Mar 20, 2014 12:01:53pm

Hmm. Feels like Spring outside too. Weird, man.

157 Skip Intro  Mar 20, 2014 12:02:36pm

re: #146 Kragar

You’re right, its totally about their irrational hatred of anything Obama does, not any animus against the National Parks they wish to sell out piecemeal to any one with the cash to strip mine.

My mistake.

Ah, you’ve been listening to Limbaugh again.

158 EPR-radar  Mar 20, 2014 12:02:40pm

re: #87 darthstar

That’s not all that hard, even if the lunacy is supposed to fit within the 140 character Twitter limit.

E.g.,

The Flying Spaghetti Monster fed the plane to its pet pot-bellied pig.

159 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 12:02:53pm

re: #155 FemNaziBitch

It’s a sign of how well vaccinations work. We have generations of people who don’t remember anyone ever having to be quarantined, thus they think it is a violation of their rights.

It’s also a sign of how well vaccines work that you don’t hear about little so and so down the street who can’t walk because of Polio or the family that lost their little one to Smallpox.

160 Varek Raith  Mar 20, 2014 12:03:15pm

re: #156 Gus

Hmm. Feels like Spring outside too. Weird, man.

Dammit, you jinxed it.

161 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2014 12:03:16pm

re: #131 BongCrodny

Just…wowie wowie wow wow wow.

Illinois Republicans Nominate Candidate Who Blames Gay Rights For Autism And Tornadoes

Republican Outreach, Part….fuck, I don’t know. I’ve lost track.

Check out this Daily Herald interview with the two Republican Congressional candidates.

9th Congressional District GOP hopefuls differ on many issues

Yep, that’s right: the articulate, intelligent one LOST. Could it be because…? No, no, it *couldn’t* be. Right? Right?

I have to own up to the fact that I voted for her, but I did so without knowing who she was. Trying to figure out the governor’s race and the GOP Senate nomination was the extent of my research for the primary. I voted for her because the Chicago Tribune made no endorsement and because I had decided to vote to nominate women when women were running for the Republican nomination for an office. The idea behind that last was to hopefully counter-act the Democrats’ “War on Women” meme.

Hoist by my own petard, sorry. I won’t vote for her in the fall, to be sure.

162 Kragar  Mar 20, 2014 12:04:03pm

re: #155 FemNaziBitch

It’s a sign of how well vaccinations work. We have generations of people who don’t remember anyone ever having to be quarantined, thus they think it is a violation of their rights.

“Here is a nice collection of caves for you to live in. If you get hungry, you can chip some of the flint here and hunt yourself some deers. Watch out for bears.”

163 FemNaziBitch  Mar 20, 2014 12:04:26pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

Heh. Seriously though. What the fuck. I had no idea that it was gays that were to blame for me being differently neurologically.

NO clue about this. Those of us in the Suburbs tend to ignore the City. I don’t know what ward she represents (or wants to represent)

from the Salon article Romantic Heretic linked:

The Chicago Republican Party has distanced itself from Atanus in the past, claiming that she is not “in any way affiliated with any of our efforts in the Chicago GOP” and that the organization has never “supported, endorsed, or assisted her in any way at any time.” But now she is their nominee for the 9th district, so she’s in the political mix with them whether they like it or not.

164 Bear  Mar 20, 2014 12:04:51pm

re: #147 FemNaziBitch

Park or Monument? I thought a Pres could only create a Monument.

165 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2014 12:05:01pm

re: #159 HappyWarrior

It’s also a sign of how well vaccines work that you don’t hear about little so and so down the street who can’t walk because of Polio or the family that lost their little one to Smallpox.

Or whooping cough, which used to be another scourge.

166 chadu  Mar 20, 2014 12:05:15pm

O/T

After:
* Finding out my contract is up at the end of the month, eliminating my major source of income; and
* Critical half-and-half shortage this morning, meaning my coffee was off; and
* Broken-down tanker truck blocking my road, making me walk to an important responsibility; and
* Generally having a pretty “blarg” morning;

…the Mail Fairy just left a copy of Pacific Rim, which I’ve never seen, at my door.

Things are starting to look up, and I know what I’m doing tonight after I get home from the part-time obit clerk job (and grocery store).

167 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 12:05:42pm

re: #165 Justanotherhuman

Or whooping cough, which used to be another scourge.

True, those two immediately came to mind is all though. Vaccines work. Child mortality rates bears witness to that.

168 FemNaziBitch  Mar 20, 2014 12:05:54pm

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

I have to own up to the fact that I voted for her, but I did so without knowing who she was. Trying to figure out the governor’s race and the GOP Senate nomination was the extent of my research for the primary. I voted for her because the Chicago Tribune made no endorsement and because I had decided to vote to nominate women when women were running for the Republican nomination for an office. The idea behind that last was to hopefully counter-act the Democrats’ “War on Women” meme.

Hoist by my own petard, sorry. I won’t vote for her in the fall, to be sure.

Voting for a women because she is a woman is as bad as voting for a Republican because of party loyalty.

Vote for a PERSON.

169 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 12:06:22pm

re: #163 FemNaziBitch

NO clue about this. Those of us in the Suburbs tend to ignore the City. I don’t know what ward she represents (or wants to represent)

from the Salon article Romantic Heretic linked:

I just want to know how people like this function with out shitting themselves. It’s no wonder why the CHicago GOP is running away from her. I’d run away from someone like that too!

170 Skip Intro  Mar 20, 2014 12:07:28pm

re: #163 FemNaziBitch

NO clue about this. Those of us in the Suburbs tend to ignore the City. I don’t know what ward she represents (or wants to represent)

from the Salon article Romantic Heretic linked:

The Chicago Republican Party has distanced itself from Atanus in the past, claiming that she is not “in any way affiliated with any of our efforts in the Chicago GOP” and that the organization has never “supported, endorsed, or assisted her in any way at any time.”

The fake Republican Party - RINOS - has completely lost control to the real Republican Party - the TPers, and they’re not going to get it back anytime soon.

171 chadu  Mar 20, 2014 12:07:29pm

re: #131 BongCrodny

Just…wowie wowie wow wow wow.

Illinois Republicans Nominate Candidate Who Blames Gay Rights For Autism And Tornadoes

Republican Outreach, Part….fuck, I don’t know. I’ve lost track.

It’s why Charlie Pierce switched to “Things in Politico That Make Me Want to Guzzle Antifreeze, Part the Infinity” for his Politico updates.

172 FemNaziBitch  Mar 20, 2014 12:07:33pm

Milk poisoning is another common cause of death from the past. The anti-pasteurization people are freaking nuts.

173 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 12:08:10pm

re: #172 FemNaziBitch

Milk poisoning is another common cause of death from the past. The anti-pasteurization people are freaking nuts.

They say it’s what contributed to Nixon’s older brother and younger brother contracting TB. The old man apparently did not believe in pasteurization.

174 Gus  Mar 20, 2014 12:08:14pm

Drones!

175 Kragar  Mar 20, 2014 12:08:18pm

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

So you voted for someone just because she filled out a minority position in your party and you didn’t want the other party to make fun of your party?

Wow… Just… wow

176 leftynyc  Mar 20, 2014 12:08:20pm

I love this story:

thenewcivilrightsmovement.com

Donohue DEMANDED the organizers of the NYC Gay Pride parade allow him to march with a “Straight is Great” banner and they told him he was more than welcome. Any odds on whether he shows up?

177 chadu  Mar 20, 2014 12:09:00pm

re: #132 FemNaziBitch

Why Does the Religious Right Think the Bible Should Trump America’s Laws?

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Quick answers before I read the article:
1. Unless there’s a law against it, they’re afraid they’d do it. (Doesn’t actually stop them, though.)
2. Punish the outsider! (Don’t get caught!)

178 EPR-radar  Mar 20, 2014 12:09:06pm

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

+1 for owning up to voting for this clown.

However, I do have to point out that having more women as GOP elected officials is totally irrelevant to the War on Women that the GOP is waging.

The War on Women meme is grounded in GOP policy positions that are anti-women.

All the Phyllis Schlafly and Michelle Bachmann types in the world won’t change that fact.

179 FemNaziBitch  Mar 20, 2014 12:10:06pm

re: #178 EPR-radar

+1 for owning up to voting for this clown.

However, I do have to point out that having more women as GOP elected officials is totally irrelevant to the War on Women that the GOP is waging.

The War on Women meme is grounded in GOP policy positions that are anti-women.

All the Phyllis Schlafly and Michelle Bachmann types in this world won’t change that fact.

THIS!

180 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 20, 2014 12:10:25pm

re: #147 FemNaziBitch

Didn’t Obama just declare a National Park somewhere?

This happened last week:

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182 Gus  Mar 20, 2014 12:10:38pm

Breaking: Cats in Shark Suits Riding Robot Vacuum Cleaner Drones that can Steal your Passwords!

183 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2014 12:10:51pm

re: #155 FemNaziBitch

It’s a sign of how well vaccinations work. We have generations of people who don’t remember anyone ever having to be quarantined, thus they think it is a violation of their rights.

They can think that, but it shouldn’t stop the government. To be clear for those any Libertarians who might read this, even Ayn Rand supported disease quarantines. The logic being that due to the deadliness of some epidemic diseases and that collective action is the only way to fight them, Objectivism would have to set aside in this case.

Ayn Rand was fanatical, but unlike some of her modern day followers she wasn’t foolish enough to believe that politics would protect you from a virus.

184 FemNaziBitch  Mar 20, 2014 12:10:52pm

re: #177 chadu

Quick answers before I read the article:
1. Unless there’s a law against it, they’re afraid they’d do it. (Doesn’t actually stop them, though.)
2. Punish the outsider! (Don’t get caught!)

not quite, it’s more about power and control —elite priviledge being watered down as more and more “groups” claim equality.

185 Gus  Mar 20, 2014 12:11:51pm

BUSH CHENEY DRONES EVERYWHERE!

186 FemNaziBitch  Mar 20, 2014 12:12:10pm

re: #183 Dark_Falcon

They can think that, but it shouldn’t stop the government. To be clear for those any Libertarians who might read this, >even Ayn Rand supported disease quarantines. The logic being that due to the deadliness of some epidemic diseases and that collective action is the only way to fight them, Objectivism would have to set aside in this case.

Ayn Rand was fanatical, but unlike some of her modern day followers she wasn’t foolish enough to believe that politics would protect you from a virus.

WTF does Ayn Rand or Liberatarians have to do with this. I’m talking people who are freaking ignorant of history but are very aware of their civil rights.

187 FemNaziBitch  Mar 20, 2014 12:12:46pm

gotta go

188 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2014 12:12:47pm

“I am a brilliant leader with strong economic sense for more Income, more Jobs!, and government revenue-all this without raising taxes! with daily positive returns from stock from corporations and banks. With more income, we will purchase more goods and services, and this will create more Jobs!- the Greatest Economic Stimulus!”

abclocal.go.com

189 Pie-onist Overlord  Mar 20, 2014 12:13:51pm
190 Bulworth  Mar 20, 2014 12:14:26pm

re: #176 leftynyc

Donohue has been on a rampage ever since (something something happened)

Always rampaging about everything.

191 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 12:14:28pm

re: #189 Pie-onist Overlord

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I’ll just give him a leftover box of Kleenex.

192 gwangung  Mar 20, 2014 12:14:34pm

re: #183 Dark_Falcon

They can think that, but it shouldn’t stop the government. To be clear for those any Libertarians who might read this, >even Ayn Rand supported disease quarantines. The logic being that due to the deadliness of some epidemic diseases and that collective action is the only way to fight them, Objectivism would have to set aside in this case.

Libertarian or objectivist, carriers of epidemics are infringing on the rights of others. BY THEIR OWN IDEOLOGY, public health measures are justified.

People who don’t understand that don’t have an ideology; they’re just being parrots.

193 EPR-radar  Mar 20, 2014 12:15:40pm

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

I have to own up to the fact that I voted for her, but I did so without knowing who she was. Trying to figure out the governor’s race and the GOP Senate nomination was the extent of my research for the primary. I voted for her because the Chicago Tribune made no endorsement and because I had decided to vote to nominate women when women were running for the Republican nomination for an office. The idea behind that last was to hopefully counter-act the Democrats’ “War on Women” meme.

Hoist by my own petard, sorry. I won’t vote for her in the fall, to be sure.

For the record, your earlier optimism about this loon not getting the GOP nomination appears to have been unfounded.

littlegreenfootballs.com

194 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 12:15:47pm

re: #176 leftynyc

I love this story:

thenewcivilrightsmovement.com

Donohue DEMANDED the organizers of the NYC Gay Pride parade allow him to march with a “Straight is Great” banner and they told him he was more than welcome. Any odds on whether he shows up?

I don’t think Donohue expected that answer. I love the story too. Anti-gay bigots like him convince themselves that gay rights activists are super intolerant and then they do stuff like this that totally mindfucks people like Donohue.

195 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2014 12:16:40pm

re: #193 EPR-radar

For the record, your earlier optimism about this loon not getting the GOP nomination appears to have been unfounded.

littlegreenfootballs.com

But she’s brilliant! She tells you that herself. : )

196 Pie-onist Overlord  Mar 20, 2014 12:16:48pm

I really don’t think Glenn Beck actually believes any of the shit he spews, he’s just a grifter.

197 Pie-onist Overlord  Mar 20, 2014 12:17:33pm

Whereas Glenn Greenwald spew shit that he knows is bullshit, because he’s a sociopath.

198 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2014 12:17:35pm

re: #178 EPR-radar

+1 for owning up to voting for this clown.

However, I do have to point out that having more women as GOP elected officials is totally irrelevant to the War on Women that the GOP is waging.

The War on Women meme is grounded in GOP policy positions that are anti-women.

All the Phyllis Schlafly and Michelle Bachmann types in this world won’t change that fact.

I didn’t know she was a crazy and I expected the Chicago Tribune to have an endorsed candidate for IL-9, as they always have had in the past (The Tribune Editorial Board doesn’t endorse crazy Tea-Baggers). Having no endorsement and hoping I was just voting for an unknown politically active Illinois Republican woman, I cast a bad vote.

I was hoping that more women office seekers would result in a campaign that would not feature Republicans making remarks that would come off as or actually be anti-woman.

My heart was in the right place, but I failed to prepare and in so doing prepared to FAIL.

199 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 12:17:45pm

re: #196 Pie-onist Overlord

I really don’t think Glenn Beck actually believes any of the shit he spews, he’s just a grifter.

I don’t either actually which I think makes him an even bigger ass.

200 ObserverArt  Mar 20, 2014 12:18:48pm

re: #106 Dr. Matt

They fucked my bracket, but seeing the buckeyes get upset in the first round is worth it.

Well, as a Buckeyes fan I say gloat all you want. This was not one of the better OSU BBall teams in many years. All the little things that they struggled with all year were in play in the game versus Dayton. I would not count it as that big an upset. It is especially hard to beat an in-state school that has an ex-buckeye as its star player and a coach that was an assistant to Matta. Can’t take care of the ball, miss close shots, fall apart on defense and you get beat. It’s a game. 1 point.

201 Bulworth  Mar 20, 2014 12:18:53pm

re: #189 Pie-onist Overlord

Hmmm, yes that sounds like one mighty fine investment opportunity. /

202 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2014 12:19:12pm

re: #193 EPR-radar

For the record, your earlier optimism about this loon not getting the GOP nomination appears to have been unfounded.

littlegreenfootballs.com

Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa.

203 Pie-onist Overlord  Mar 20, 2014 12:19:14pm

re: #201 Bulworth

Hmmm, yes that sounds like one mighty fine investment opportunity. /

He knows his marks.

204 EPR-radar  Mar 20, 2014 12:20:09pm

re: #195 Justanotherhuman

But she’s brilliant! She tells you that herself. : )

People who feel obliged to tell others about their brilliance are usually fools.

205 Bulworth  Mar 20, 2014 12:20:25pm

re: #203 Pie-onist Overlord

And such a network would need an anti-DRONES missile shield. That’ll cost a few bucks. /

206 Gus  Mar 20, 2014 12:20:51pm
207 BongCrodny  Mar 20, 2014 12:20:53pm

re: #193 EPR-radar

For the record, your earlier optimism about this loon not getting the GOP nomination appears to have been unfounded.

littlegreenfootballs.com

Dark called her a kook in January, and then voted for her anyway?

Wow.

208 brennant  Mar 20, 2014 12:21:58pm

re: #206 Gus

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So… Grandma. CNN receives their MH370 news from Grandma.

Awesome.

209 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 12:22:25pm

Well that story gets me worried about what kind of nut the GOP voters here will choose to replace Frank Wolf. I am not a Wolf fan but he’s not nutso and doesn’t espouse this kind of rhetoric which unfortunately is increasingly common in the Republican PArty. You guys remember reading about that GOPer here in Virginia who said he felt Downs Syndrome was God’s punishment for abortion. Yep, he’s running because the other lunatic who said that he didn’t know how spousal rape could happen decided not to run. I mean you’re going to find fringe nuts whereever you go in politics but for me it seems like the GOP has a habit of fostering an environment where you can believe shit like this and succeed. By the way both these guys Dick Black (Mr. Spousal Rape is impossible) and Bob Marshall (Mr. Downs Syndrome is God’s punishemt) are currently elected official. I believe Black may even be my state senator and he is *weeps*.

210 Kragar  Mar 20, 2014 12:22:32pm

re: #207 BongCrodny

Dark called her a kook in January, and then voted for her anyway?

Wow.

Youtube Video

211 Bulworth  Mar 20, 2014 12:23:14pm

re: #206 Gus

I worry about what CNN will do after flight 370 is found.

Come to think of it, I worry about CNN even, or especially, if flight 370 isn’t found.

212 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 12:25:25pm

re: #211 Bulworth

I worry about what CNN will do after flight 370 is found.

Come to think of it, I worry about CNN even, or especially, if flight 370 isn’t found.

Alex Jones grows wings every day the flight isn’t found because it’s more fuel for his ever lasting conspiracy parade.

213 chadu  Mar 20, 2014 12:25:39pm

re: #147 FemNaziBitch

Didn’t Obama just declare a National Park somewhere?

The National Park of Your Mom, maybe!

///

214 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 12:26:18pm

re: #213 chadu

The National Park of Your Mom, maybe!

///

The National Park of Kenya at Mosque.

215 chadu  Mar 20, 2014 12:27:49pm

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

I have to own up to the fact that I voted for her, but I did so without knowing who she was.

JEBUS, DF!

Trying to figure out the governor’s race and the GOP Senate nomination was the extent of my research for the primary. I voted for her because the Chicago Tribune made no endorsement and because I had decided to vote to nominate women when women were running for the Republican nomination for an office. The idea behind that last was to hopefully counter-act the Democrats’ “War on Women” meme.

Hoist by my own petard, sorry. I won’t vote for her in the fall, to be sure.

Oh, okay. Fair enough.

216 chadu  Mar 20, 2014 12:28:44pm

re: #162 Kragar

“Here is a nice collection of caves for you to live in. If you get hungry, you can chip some of the flint here and hunt yourself some deers. Watch out for bears.”

Try to recruit those burly, hairy gay men for the tribe! Prolly good hunters!

217 chadu  Mar 20, 2014 12:30:48pm

re: #175 Kragar

So you voted for someone just because she filled out a minority position in your party and you didn’t want the other party to make fun of your party?

Wow… Just… wow

Ouch.

Still giving DF props for admitting he screwed up there, though.

I’ve done it myself; voted for the D or the R lacking all other info.

218 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 20, 2014 12:31:02pm

re: #97 Pie-onist Overlord

NA=Narcissists Anonymous?

How could a Narcissist ever handle Anonymity?

RBS

219 chadu  Mar 20, 2014 12:33:22pm

re: #184 FemNaziBitch

not quite, it’s more about power and control —elite priviledge being watered down as more and more “groups” claim equality.

There’s a couple paragraphs in American Nations: A History of the Eleven Rival Regional Cultures of North America on the Southern coalition of the late 20th/early 21st century (Deep South, Tidewater, Appalachia) that nails this exactly… but I can’t find the text to c&p.

It’s somewhere on page 301-303 of the hardcover, though.

220 Gus  Mar 20, 2014 12:33:52pm

Balloon surveillance!

221 chadu  Mar 20, 2014 12:34:43pm

re: #184 FemNaziBitch

not quite, it’s more about power and control —elite priviledge being watered down as more and more “groups” claim equality.

Crap, forgot my overall point. American Nations makes a point that “liberty” in the Deep South has never been synonymous with “equality” — quite the opposite, in fact, stretching back hundreds of years now.

222 Gus  Mar 20, 2014 12:34:57pm

DIRIGIBLE DRONES!!!

223 NJDhockeyfan  Mar 20, 2014 12:35:19pm
224 chadu  Mar 20, 2014 12:35:39pm

re: #187 FemNaziBitch

catch ya later!

(If not that many people died/die between 7 pm last night and 7 pm tonight, I may be home before dark!)

225 Kragar  Mar 20, 2014 12:35:59pm

re: #217 chadu

Random D vs Random R, I’d have to pick the Democrat every time just because of the baggage the republican party drags along with it.

226 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 12:36:19pm

re: #221 chadu

Crap, forgot my overall point. American Nations makes a point that “liberty” in the Deep South has never been synonymous with “equality” — quite the opposite, in fact, stretching back hundreds of years now.

The Deep South always did resemble a feudal society much more than a democratic one. It wasn’t just the relationships between slaves and masters but because poor whites and aristocratic slave owners too.

227 Gus  Mar 20, 2014 12:38:03pm

GLUTEN FREE DRONES SECRETLY CONTAINING GPS CHIPS!!

228 Bubblehead II  Mar 20, 2014 12:39:08pm

re: #220 Gus

Balloon surveillance!

Rocket Surveillance!

Youtube Video

229 chadu  Mar 20, 2014 12:39:32pm

re: #214 HappyWarrior

The National Park of Kenya at Mosque.

The National Park of Kashyyyk.

Except I don’t think the RWNJs who call Mrs. Obama a Wookie would have the “wit” for that one.

230 NJDhockeyfan  Mar 20, 2014 12:39:37pm
231 Gus  Mar 20, 2014 12:40:55pm

re: #228 Bubblehead II

Rocket Surveillance!

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Manned camera drones!

What’s that?

People with Kodak Instamatics.

232 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 12:41:05pm

re: #229 chadu

The National Park of Kashyyyk.

Except I don’t think the RWNJs who call Mrs. Obama a Wookie would have the “wit” for that one.

Over their ehads.

233 Gus  Mar 20, 2014 12:41:53pm

STASI BLIMPS IZ DESTROYING ARE FREEDOMS.

234 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 20, 2014 12:44:30pm

re: #233 Gus

STASI BLIMPS IZ DESTROYING ARE FREEDOMS.

‘CUZ Merica!!!!

Radio Controlled Blimp

Boy could I mess up my cat’s heads with one of these….

RBS

235 chadu  Mar 20, 2014 12:45:04pm

re: #218 RealityBasedSteve

How could a Narcissist ever handle Anonymity?

RBS

*high-hat, rimshot*

236 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2014 12:45:11pm

re: #222 Gus

DIRIGIBLE DRONES!!!

Those already exist:

UK company Hybrid Air Vehicles (HAV) expects the Ministry of Defence (MoD) to test its HAV 304 hybrid airship as a potential airborne surveillance platform from May 2015, following the completion of in-country flight trials that are set to begin at the end of this year, a company official told IHS Jane’s on 28 February.

Speaking at the first public unveiling of the HAV 304 since it was returned to the company by the US Department of Defense (DoD) in 2013, HAV Technical Manager Andy Barton said that the company has been continuing discussions with the MoD with regard to utilising the hybrid airship as a wide-area surveillance (WAS) platform for counter-piracy operations off the Horn of Africa, and that it anticipates MoD-sponsored testing to take place once the initial UK flight trials have been completed in April 2015.

“With [Civil Aviation Authority] CAA flight trials set to take place from the end of [2014] through to April 2015, the logical next step would be for the MoD to then trial surveillance kit [on the HAV 304]. We are taking the vehicle back to North America [to demonstrate to the commercial sector] in October [2015], so ideally it would need to be before then,” he said.

HAV has already flown the HAV 304 once before, on 7 August 2012, as part of the US DoD’s Long Endurance Multi-intelligence Vehicle (LEMV) programme for the US Army. Budget constraints forced the DoD to cancel LEMV in February 2013, and the UK company brought back its aircraft for USD301,000 (just 0.1% of the USD300 million which the DoD had already invested in development). With the UK government having awarded HAV a GBP2.5 million (USD4.2 million) technology grant (which the company has matched), the HAV 304 has been reassembled in one of the two giant airship hangars in Cardington, Bedforshire, with a view to offering it and subsequent models to the commercial and military sectors.

237 chadu  Mar 20, 2014 12:46:18pm

re: #225 Kragar

Random D vs Random R, I’d have to pick the Democrat every time just because of the baggage the republican party drags along with it.

Me too, today, but ‘twas not always such in the Before-Time.

238 Ian G.  Mar 20, 2014 12:46:43pm

re: #230 NJDhockeyfan

Tanks as in “oil storage tanks”, or tanks as in T-72s? Because the latter is far more alarming.

239 chadu  Mar 20, 2014 12:47:03pm

re: #227 Gus

GLUTEN FREE DRONES SECRETLY CONTAINING GPS CHIPS!!

BTW, HFCS GPS chips?

240 NJDhockeyfan  Mar 20, 2014 12:49:06pm

re: #238 Ian G.

Tanks as in “oil storage tanks”, or tanks as in T-72s? Because the latter is far more alarming.

Tanks as in “fully loaded tanks”.

241 Gus  Mar 20, 2014 12:49:13pm

re: #239 chadu

BTW, HFCS GPS chips?

Que es HFCS? So I don’t have to Google all over the place.

242 Gus  Mar 20, 2014 12:49:51pm

Sorry. But there is no such thing as a “no more National Parks” bill.

243 A Mom Anon  Mar 20, 2014 12:50:33pm

re: #67 FemNaziBitch
You’re assuming he’s ever been in a sobriety program. I’d wager not. Same for Limbaugh. An addict without treatment (beyond detox in some fancy rich person’s rehab) isn’t truly sober, hence the term “dry drunk”. Someone working steps in any program (AA and NA aren’t the only way to go) shows remorse for who they’ve hurt and doesn’t go out of their way to do more damage. These guys relish the amount of hurt they cause, that they’re getting rich off it is just a really nice bonus.

244 Gus  Mar 20, 2014 12:51:05pm

It’s a douchey bill but what it does is affect National Monuments and not National Parks. It would, in theory, require a congressional vote for National Monuments. Has nothing to do with National Parks. It also doesn’t stop the creation of National Parks.

245 chadu  Mar 20, 2014 12:51:31pm

re: #241 Gus

Que es HFCS? So I don’t have to Google all over the place.

High fructose corn syrup.

246 Gus  Mar 20, 2014 12:51:54pm

Here’s the text summary:

Ensuring Public Involvement in the Creation of National Monuments Act - Amends the Antiquities Act of 1906 to subject national monument declarations by the President to the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969 (NEPA).

Prohibits: (1) the President from making more than one such declaration in a state during any presidential four-year term of office without an express Act of Congress, or (2) such a declaration from including private property without the informed written consent of the affected private property owner.

Requires such a declaration: (1) to be considered a major federal action under NEPA if it affects more than 5,000 acres; (2) to be categorically excluded under NEPA and to expire three years after the date of the declaration (unless specifically designated as a monument by federal law) if it affects 5,000 acres or less; and (3) to be followed by a feasibility study that includes an estimate of the costs associated with managing the monument in perpetuity, including any loss of federal and state revenue.

247 Skip Intro  Mar 20, 2014 12:53:24pm

Anybody know who said the following?

“Everybody knows that God controls weather,” she told the news site in January. “God is super angry,” she added. “Gay marriage is not appropriate, and it doesn’t look right, and it breeds AIDS.”

If you said “The winning Republican candidate for the Chicago-area 9th Congressional District”, pat yourself on the back.

Remember, in any race between Republicans, the odds always favor the crazier one.

248 Gus  Mar 20, 2014 12:53:34pm

Words have meaning.

249 Bubblehead II  Mar 20, 2014 12:54:11pm

re: #231 Gus

Manned camera drones!

What’s that?

People with Kodak Instamatics.

Actually, I have contemplated Balloon surveillance of my property using one of these coupled with one of these. Wife not only said no, but F***K NO!

250 jaunte  Mar 20, 2014 12:54:16pm

re: #246 Gus

I see the key words:

Prohibits: (1) the President

251 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 12:55:08pm

re: #247 Skip Intro

Anybody know who said the following?

If you said “The winning Republican candidate for the Chicago-area 9th Congressional District”, pat yourself on the back.

Remember, in any race between Republicans, the odds always favor the crazier one.

Michelle Bachmann is jealous because someone more loony than her got nominated.

252 chadu  Mar 20, 2014 12:55:20pm

re: #248 Gus

Words have meaning.

Which is worse-sounding:

“moist” or “turgid”

They both bug me.

253 NJDhockeyfan  Mar 20, 2014 12:55:39pm

I didn’t know Ali did this. Very cool!

254 Kragar  Mar 20, 2014 12:56:02pm

re: #250 jaunte

I see the key words:

Because “prohibits Obama” would have been too fucking obvious.

255 Gus  Mar 20, 2014 12:56:19pm

re: #250 jaunte

I see the key words:

Yes. It says it would prohibit the president from declaring one National Monument per state within 4 years. So in theory he’d be limited to 50 National Monuments in 4 years. Any more would require congressional approval according to the text.

256 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2014 12:56:33pm

re: #230 NJDhockeyfan

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Old ammo, maybe. The T-72 has no effective ammunition compartmentalization, with means if it suffers an fire that reaches even one round of main gun ammo, all the main gun ammo is likely to detonate. Sometimes not all at once, in which case the tank just burn out, as seems to be happening here. In extreme cases, the ammo fire sets off all 22 rounds in the auto-loader cassette under the turret floor and once and blows the turret off of the tank. An example from Syria:

militaryphotos.net

257 Kragar  Mar 20, 2014 12:56:38pm

re: #252 chadu

Which is worse-sounding:

“moist” or “turgid”

They both bug me.

Torpid

258 Gus  Mar 20, 2014 12:56:54pm

Meh. If you’re going to read law you have to… Oh never mind. Carry on.

259 Weet  Mar 20, 2014 12:57:23pm

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260 jaunte  Mar 20, 2014 12:57:59pm

Standing bravely against the tide of National Monumentization.

261 Kragar  Mar 20, 2014 12:59:29pm

re: #260 jaunte

Standing bravely against the tide of National Monumentization.

Will this tyranny never end?

262 NJDhockeyfan  Mar 20, 2014 12:59:55pm

re: #256 Dark_Falcon

Old ammo, maybe. The T-72 has no effective ammunition compartmentalization, with means if it suffers an fire that reaches even one round of main gun ammo, all the main gun ammo is likely to detonate. Sometimes not all at once, in which case the tank just burn out, as seems to be happening here. In extreme cases, the ammo fire sets off all 22 rounds in the auto-loader cassette under the turret floor and once and blows the turret off of the tank. An example from Syria:

militaryphotos.net

In other words everybody drop what your doing and GTF outta there!

263 Skip Intro  Mar 20, 2014 1:00:32pm

re: #251 HappyWarrior

Michelle Bachmann is jealous because someone more loony than her got nominated.

I’m looking forward to seeing the new Fox news show staring M.B. and Sarah Palin. The ratings are going to be killer.

264 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 1:00:45pm

Has there been a disproportionately high number of national parks declared by this president?

265 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 1:01:12pm

re: #263 Skip Intro

I’m looking forward to seeing the new Fox news show staring M.B. and Sarah Palin. The ratings are going to be killer.

Please tell me that’s not for real.

266 NJDhockeyfan  Mar 20, 2014 1:01:40pm

Heh.

267 Kragar  Mar 20, 2014 1:01:40pm

re: #264 HappyWarrior

Has there been a disproportionately high number of national parks declared by this president?

Obviously.
/

268 wrenchwench  Mar 20, 2014 1:02:23pm
269 A Mom Anon  Mar 20, 2014 1:02:29pm

re: #147 FemNaziBitch

New National Monument. It’s been awhile since there was an actual National Park. There’s National Monuments, Wildlife Areas, Forests, Marine Sanctuaries, etc. I think the designation Park is the biggie though.

We’ve always had it so that a President could do this, now all of the sudden this is a BAD thing? Really?

What assholes. I love the NPS, they need MORE land and more resources and employees, not less. I am SO over this crap.

270 jaunte  Mar 20, 2014 1:02:36pm

re: #264 HappyWarrior

Five in 2013:
thewildlifenews.com

271 Skip Intro  Mar 20, 2014 1:02:55pm

re: #265 HappyWarrior

Please tell me that’s not for real.

Never say never when it’s Fox. The only thing standing in the way is the money.

272 jaunte  Mar 20, 2014 1:03:05pm

“These add to three he established earlier in his Administration.”

273 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 20, 2014 1:04:10pm

re: #262 NJDhockeyfan

In other words every drop what your doing and GTF outta there!

If you want to see a bunch of guys running faster than The Flash, have one of the old WP rounds on an M-60 start smoking… ;)

274 Skip Intro  Mar 20, 2014 1:04:39pm

re: #266 NJDhockeyfan

Heh.

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Rules 5 and 7 tell me those people took their golf seriously.

275 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 1:04:51pm

re: #272 jaunte

“These add to three he established earlier in his Administration.”

So he’s had 8. So just as I expected, more howling by the Do Nothing Congress.

276 Kragar  Mar 20, 2014 1:04:52pm

re: #272 jaunte

“These add to three he established earlier in his Administration.”

DOES THIS HORROR NEVER STOP?

277 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 20, 2014 1:05:04pm

re: #266 NJDhockeyfan

Heh.

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Seems a bit unfair that you have to take a stroke penalty if a bomb goes off. I do like they say that the delayed action bombs are marked at a reasonably, but not guaranteed safe distance. How British is that?

RBS

278 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 1:05:12pm

re: #271 Skip Intro

Never say never when it’s Fox. The only thing standing in the way is the money.

I know, I know, they do employ Sean Hannity.

279 Skip Intro  Mar 20, 2014 1:05:37pm

re: #269 A Mom Anon

Every new national monument makes a billionaire cry.

280 Bulworth  Mar 20, 2014 1:08:02pm

re: #275 HappyWarrior

IMPEACH!!

281 jaunte  Mar 20, 2014 1:08:40pm

re: #276 Kragar

DOES THIS HORROR NEVER STOP?

“Until the passage of a bill to protect wilderness lands in the Sleeping Bear Dunes National Lakeshore last week, Congress had not protected a single new acre of public lands since 2009, the longest such drought since World War II.”
thinkprogress.org

282 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 20, 2014 1:09:08pm

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283 Kragar  Mar 20, 2014 1:09:14pm
284 Bulworth  Mar 20, 2014 1:09:20pm

re: #260 jaunte

“More ‘free stuff’ to buy votes…”

/

285 EPR-radar  Mar 20, 2014 1:10:10pm

re: #279 Skip Intro

Every new national monument makes a billionaire cry.

Of course. Any assets held in the public domain make Prosperity Gospel Jesus cry, because those assets are denied their proper oligarch owners.

In related news, a prosperity gospel angel gets its wings every time the copyright term is extended.

286 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 1:10:51pm

re: #283 Kragar

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States rights! Unless that state is using their money ot help people.

287 Bulworth  Mar 20, 2014 1:11:11pm

re: #285 EPR-radar

Every new national monument is an attack on the successful and ‘class warfare’. //

288 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 1:11:38pm

re: #282 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s true, the Founders would be amazed that a moron like Rand Paul would be in office.

289 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2014 1:11:38pm

re: #262 NJDhockeyfan

In other words every drop what your doing and GTF outta there!

Exactly. Most modern tanks place the ammo in a bustle behind the turret, but Russia has stuck with the helf-hemispherical turrets it has favored since the T-54/T-55, and they cannot support such an addition.

That said, the T-72s in use by Ukraine are a good deal more advanced than those used by Iraq in 1991. They have better armor, better fire controls, and a more powerful engine. but if they are penetrated they are still vulnerable as all get out to ammo fires.

290 NJDhockeyfan  Mar 20, 2014 1:11:40pm

re: #277 RealityBasedSteve

Seems a bit unfair that you have to take a stroke penalty if a bomb goes off. I do like they say that the delayed action bombs are marked at a reasonably, but not guaranteed safe distance. How British is that?

RBS

Yeah, right? During the DDay invasion after we reached the top and were pushing the Germans back the Americans got pissed off at the Brits. They had to stop for a tea break. True story!

291 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 1:12:11pm

re: #281 jaunte

“Until the passage of a bill to protect wilderness lands in the Sleeping Bear Dunes National Lakeshore last week, Congress had not protected a single new acre of public lands since 2009, the longest such drought since World War II.”
thinkprogress.org

So, yeah just as I suspected, this is more bullshit from the people who have brought you over 40 failed repeals of ACA.

292 BongCrodny  Mar 20, 2014 1:15:54pm

re: #247 Skip Intro

Anybody know who said the following?

If you said “The winning Republican candidate for the Chicago-area 9th Congressional District”, pat yourself on the back.

Remember, in any race between Republicans, the odds always favor the crazier one.

If you watch that video interview of the candidates, Williams appears to be doing all he can to not roll his eyes at every statement. I can imagine him getting the results yesterday and going “Holy shit…I lost to her?

The thing is, Republicans might have been able to make some hay with Williams — he seemed bright and articulate, and was a former Obama supporter who, for one reason or another, was left disenchanted by Obama and is now off the bandwagon.

But instead, Republicans chose the lunatic. Who would have guessed?

293 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 20, 2014 1:15:59pm

re: #289 Dark_Falcon

Exactly. Most modern tanks place the ammo in a bustle behind the turret, but Russia has stuck with the helf-hemispherical turrets it has favored since the T-54/T-55, and they cannot support such an addition.

That said, the T-72s in use by Ukraine are a good deal more advanced than those used by Iraq in 1991. They have better armor, better fire controls, and a more powerful engine. but if they are penetrated they are still vulnerable as all get out to ammo fires.

D_F, your scope of knowledge never ceases to amaze me. You’re like LGF’s own personal version of “Janes Guide To ….”. Thanks for the great knowledge and taking time to share.

RBS

294 Skip Intro  Mar 20, 2014 1:17:11pm

re: #278 HappyWarrior

I know, I know, they do employ Sean Hannity.

Good point. I can see how this could work.

It could be a Crossfire clone, with Hannity as moderator, but twist would be Bachmann and Palin would always agree with each other.

Ratings gold for Fox.

295 Skip Intro  Mar 20, 2014 1:18:25pm

re: #292 BongCrodny

If you watch that video interview of the candidates, Williams appears to be doing all he can to not roll his eyes at every statement. I can imagine him getting the results yesterday and going “Holy shit…I lost to her?

The thing is, Republicans might have been able to make some hay with Williams — he seemed bright and articulate, and was a former Obama supporter who, for one reason or another, was left disenchanted by Obama and is now off the bandwagon.

But instead, Republicans chose the lunatic. Who would have guessed?

Seen which Republican the GOP likes for governor of California? Hint: it’s not the sane one.

296 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 20, 2014 1:18:46pm

re: #294 Skip Intro

Good point. I can see how this could work.

It could be a Crossfire clone, with Hannity as moderator, but twist would be Bachmann and Palin would always agree with each other.

Ratings gold for Fox.

You realize, that in that mix, Hannity would be considered the “Responsible Adult”. If that doesn’t scare you, you’re bullet-proof.

RBS

297 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 1:19:06pm

re: #292 BongCrodny

If you watch that video interview of the candidates, Williams appears to be doing all he can to not roll his eyes at every statement. I can imagine him getting the results yesterday and going “Holy shit…I lost to her?

The thing is, Republicans might have been able to make some hay with Williams — he seemed bright and articulate, and was a former Obama supporter who, for one reason or another, was left disenchanted by Obama and is now off the bandwagon.

But instead, Republicans chose the lunatic. Who would have guessed?

That seems to be the thing. When pressed between a reasonable type candidate and a nut, they’re choosing the nuts. Virginia would probably have at least one GOPer at governor, lt governor, and attorney general if they hadn’t let people like Cuccinelli dominate the party apparatus.

298 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 1:19:41pm

re: #295 Skip Intro

Seen which Republican the GOP likes for governor of California? Hint: it’s not the sane one.

Yeah I heard about him. He wants his state back!

299 dog philosopher  Mar 20, 2014 1:20:17pm

annexing the crimea is one thing - a kind of anschluss - but i would have to consider russian ground troops entering ukrainian territory anywhere else as basically the start of WWIII

and what is this crap about protecting russian speakers anywhere they might be? does putin want to be compared to hitler?

300 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2014 1:20:23pm

re: #293 RealityBasedSteve

D_F, your scope of knowledge never ceases to amaze me. You’re like LGF’s own personal version of “Janes Guide To ….”. Thanks for the great knowledge and taking time to share.

RBS

To be fair, William would have fielded this one if I hadn’t. He actually knows a good deal more about the practicalities of tanks than I do.

301 BongCrodny  Mar 20, 2014 1:22:22pm

re: #295 Skip Intro

Seen which Republican the GOP likes for governor of California? Hint: it’s not the sane one.

“Not the sane one.”

Could you narrow that down a bit? :-)

302 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 1:23:00pm

re: #301 BongCrodny

“Not the sane one.”

Could you narrow that down a bit? :-)

The one bitching about immigration in a state that we acquired from Mexico who acquired it from Spain who it acquired it from the natives.

303 Political Atheist  Mar 20, 2014 1:23:30pm

Right up there with “non Russian defense forces in Crimea”. Ah Baghdad Bob your progeny do so well.

304 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 20, 2014 1:25:50pm

re: #300 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, William would have fielded this one if I hadn’t. He actually knows a good deal more about the practicalities of tanks than I do.

Thank you DF.

If nothing else I can remember standing on the turret floor of a T55 and having the hatch ring at eye level - I was too tall to stand up with the hatches closed. Gives an appreciation for what compromises they chose over the ones we chose in our tanks.

305 kirkspencer  Mar 20, 2014 1:26:03pm

re: #289 Dark_Falcon

Exactly. Most modern tanks place the ammo in a bustle behind the turret, but Russia has stuck with the helf-hemispherical turrets it has favored since the T-54/T-55, and they cannot support such an addition.

That said, the T-72s in use by Ukraine are a good deal more advanced than those used by Iraq in 1991. They have better armor, better fire controls, and a more powerful engine. but if they are penetrated they are still vulnerable as all get out to ammo fires.

Actually, most modern tanks put ammo in a few places, one of which is the bustle at the back of the turret and another is in the fighting compartment. How much goes where depends on design.

The M1A1 puts 44 in there. There are three stored in front of the loader’s station, and eight stored in the hull. (Turn the turret to the front, open the access panel, pull the bullets.

the Leopard 2 puts 15 in a ‘bustle’ behind the loader. Another 27 sit in the forward hull to the right of the driver.

the Challenger 2 uses two-part ammo. The charges and HESH projectiles are all in the fighting compartment. The bustle gets the ‘long’ projectiles such as APFSDS.

The major advantage of hemispherical turrets is that it’s hard to get zero-angle impact on it. That increases survivability.

306 BongCrodny  Mar 20, 2014 1:27:26pm

re: #302 HappyWarrior

The one bitching about immigration in a state that we acquired from Mexico who acquired it from Spain who it acquired it from the natives.

Is it this guy?

Born in Clovis, California. Glenn Champ is a longtime resident of the state of California who lives in the mountains, in Tollhouse CA. He was also raised in the mountains where work starts at a young age. He graduated from Sierra High school, college poly science, and would not stand for the unbiblical, communist, socialist, curriculum brain washing in college.

I will not stand for it! Do you hear me? I will not stand for it!

307 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 20, 2014 1:27:51pm

FWIW (I’d never really thought about it before):

What is the difference between a National Park and a National Monument?

A national monument is intended to preserve at least one nationally significant resource, whereas a national park is usually larger and preserves a variety of nationally significant resources.

nps.gov

308 Kragar  Mar 20, 2014 1:28:05pm

re: #306 BongCrodny

Is it this guy?

I will not stand for it! Do you hear me? I will not stand for it!

GABBY JOHNSON IS RIGHT!

309 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 1:29:00pm

re: #306 BongCrodny

Is it this guy?

I will not stand for it! Do you hear me? I will not stand for it!

No, I forget the guy’s name. There was a page on him some time back though.

310 Kilroy01  Mar 20, 2014 1:29:08pm

re: #289 Dark_Falcon

The Ukraine’s build T-84 tanks (Post Soviet T80s)

en.wikipedia.org

Doesn’t matter what kind it is though. You don’t need anything fancy to destroy a parked tanks.

311 NJDhockeyfan  Mar 20, 2014 1:29:32pm

The great Oz has spoken!

312 Kragar  Mar 20, 2014 1:29:51pm
313 Killgore Trout  Mar 20, 2014 1:30:36pm

The Guardian: The truth about Venezuela: a revolt of the well-off, not a ‘terror campaign’

John Kerry’s rhetoric is divorced from the reality on the ground, where life goes on - even at the barricades

314 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 1:31:07pm

re: #308 Kragar

GABBY JOHNSON IS RIGHT!

Authentic frontier gibberish. Man I need to watch BS again.

315 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 1:31:49pm

re: #312 Kragar

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Oh fuck the fucking NRA and their campaign of paranoia.

316 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 20, 2014 1:31:57pm

re: #310 Kilroy01

The Ukraine builds T-84 tanks (Post Soviet T80s)

en.wikipedia.org

Doesn’t matter what kind it is though. You don’t need anything fancy to destroy a parked tanks.
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And a little laundry powder mixed in will make it far more effective. If you can find powdered polystyrene plastic (toy model kits for example), even better… :whistles:

317 Bulworth  Mar 20, 2014 1:32:37pm

re: #312 Kragar

Not The Onion?

318 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2014 1:32:40pm

re: #312 Kragar

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The point behind that claim is thew number of people who die each year from doctor error. Not sure if the stats are BS, and I haven’t the time to check.

319 BongCrodny  Mar 20, 2014 1:32:58pm

re: #309 HappyWarrior

No, I forget the guy’s name. There was a page on him some time back though.

Yeah, I think it’s Tim Donnelly, if my quick research is any indication.

The other guy was funnier, though:

He was also raised in the mountains where work starts at a young age.

I heard he killed him a bear when he was only three.

320 Bulworth  Mar 20, 2014 1:33:23pm

re: #319 BongCrodny

Confirmed. FACT.

/

321 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 1:33:37pm

re: #319 BongCrodny

Yeah, I think it’s Tim Donnelly, if my quick research is any indication.

The other guy was funnier, though.

I heard he killed him a bear when he was only three.

Donnelly, yeah that’s it. I think he’s the frontrunner.

322 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 20, 2014 1:34:25pm

An expanded explanation of the difference between national parks and national monuments.

323 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 1:34:55pm

re: #318 Dark_Falcon

The point behind that claim is thew number of people who die each year from doctor error. Not sure if the stats are BS, and I haven’t the time to check.

Well there’s a difference between doctor error and a gun. One is trying to help you and one was made for mowing down people or animals. So it’s a shit analogy in any case. If the NRA actually wants to contribute to the debate, they can kindly stop with bullshit like this and stop living in a world where guns aren’t dangerous objects.

324 Kragar  Mar 20, 2014 1:35:01pm

re: #318 Dark_Falcon

The point behind that claim is thew number of people who die each year from doctor error. Not sure if the stats are BS, and I haven’t the time to check.

When was the last time a 5 year old blew off his head with a misdiagnosis?

325 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2014 1:35:38pm

re: #310 Kilroy01

The Ukraine builds T-84 tanks (Post Soviet T80s)

en.wikipedia.org

Doesn’t matter what kind it is though. You don’t need anything fancy to destroy a parked tanks.
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That works unless the tank has its hatches closed, in which cases molotovs don’t work well against a T-72, since their NBC system is normally able to keep the fire from spilling into the fuel system.

Unlike T-54/T-55s, all T-72s and T-80s mount effective NPC protection. The systems are integral to the design.

326 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 1:35:39pm

re: #324 Kragar

When was the last time a 5 year old blew off his head with a misdiagnosis?

Exac-fucking-ly.

327 Charles Johnson  Mar 20, 2014 1:36:44pm

Please note that the ThinkProgress article does NOT say the GOP bill stops the creation of national parks. Here’s exactly what it says: House to Vote on Controversial ‘No More National Parks’ Policy | ThinkProgress

Coupled with the ongoing freeze on new parks and public lands bills, a vote next week to block the President’s creation of new monuments and park units would represent the endorsement of a de facto “No More National Parks” policy in the U.S. House of Representatives. Although members of the House could be casting controversial votes next week against new monuments and parks, H.R. 1459 is not expected to be considered by or passed in the Senate. The President would also be likely to veto such a bill.

328 Charles Johnson  Mar 20, 2014 1:37:34pm

There’s no misrepresentation there.

329 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 1:38:07pm

Oh and we regulate doctors and doctors can be sued for negligence too so I am failing to see what the National Rifles and other guns should be given more concern than humanity Association is trying to get at here. It’s the same crap tactic when they claim cars are more dangerous than guns. We regulate automobiles and doctors. The NRA wants little to zero regulation of guns.

330 jaunte  Mar 20, 2014 1:38:20pm
3) to be followed by a feasibility study that includes an estimate of the costs associated with managing the monument in perpetuity, including any loss of federal and state revenue.

It would be smart to veto any legislation that includes this kind of obvious impossibility.

331 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 20, 2014 1:39:12pm

re: #330 jaunte

It would be smart to veto any legislation that includes this kind of obvious impossibility.

because it worked so well for the post office…

/

332 Charles Johnson  Mar 20, 2014 1:39:33pm

re: #330 jaunte

It would be smart to veto any legislation that includes this kind of obvious impossibility.

It’s just more of the usual insane GOP obstructionism.

333 Kragar  Mar 20, 2014 1:39:34pm

re: #329 HappyWarrior

Oh and we regulate doctors and doctors can be sued for negligence too so I am failing to see what the National Rifles and other guns should be given more concern than humanity Association is trying to get at here. It’s the same crap tactic when they claim cars are more dangerous than guns. We regulate automobiles and doctors. The NRA wants little to zero regulation of guns.

But the 2nd Amendment says “a well regulated militia”.

Why do they hate the 2nd amendment?

334 jaunte  Mar 20, 2014 1:39:48pm

Perpetuity, lets see, that’s like, infinity dollars.

335 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2014 1:40:13pm

re: #329 HappyWarrior

Oh and we regulate doctors and doctors can be sued for negligence too so I am failing to see what the National Rifles and other guns should be given more concern than humanity Association is trying to get at here. It’s the same crap tactic when they claim cars are more dangerous than guns. We regulate automobiles and doctors. The NRA wants little to zero regulation of guns.

Well, you can sue a gun manufacturer whose gun fails in way it should not have failed and injures someone or does property damage.

336 Kragar  Mar 20, 2014 1:40:24pm

re: #330 jaunte

It would be smart to veto any legislation that includes this kind of obvious impossibility.

Oh, the “we could make so much money if we fracked there” clause.

337 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 20, 2014 1:40:33pm

re: #334 jaunte

Perpetuity, lets see, that’s like, infinity dollars.

bitcoins

338 Weet  Mar 20, 2014 1:40:38pm

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339 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 20, 2014 1:41:43pm

re: #325 Dark_Falcon

That works unless the tank has its hatches closed, in which cases molotovs don’t work well against a T-72, since their NBC system is normally able to keep the fire from spilling into the fuel system.

Unlike T-54/T-55s, all T-72s and T-80s mount effective NPC protection. The systems are integral to the design.

Crew psychology and obscuring vision devices still makes them very useful. If you can’t see the other guy who has an explosive grenade for the fuel tank or the final drive sprocket? Combine that with an urban situation and you have tanks at their most vulnerable unless you have very well trained infantry with mortar support on call.

So far we’ve yet to see the relative training of the two sides though I’m giving the Ukrainians high marks for not being goaded into stupid mistakes that give Moscow pretext.

340 dog philosopher  Mar 20, 2014 1:42:14pm

re: #330 jaunte

an estimate of the costs associated with managing the monument in perpetuity

i would like an estimate of the cost of cuts in the capital gains tax ‘in perpetuity’

this is a lot like the bogus “unfunded liability” numbers which people don’t realize are about estimated shortfall over the next 75 years or more

341 kirkspencer  Mar 20, 2014 1:42:30pm

re: #325 Dark_Falcon

That works unless the tank has its hatches closed, in which cases molotovs don’t work well against a T-72, since their NBC system is normally able to keep the fire from spilling into the fuel system.

Unlike T-54/T-55s, all T-72s and T-80s mount effective NPC protection. The systems are integral to the design.

While literally true, psychology’s a different matter. If your tank catches fire and the fire suppression system doesn’t put it out then staying with the tank is usually bad. So if you toss a ‘sticky’ molotov on, say, the driver’s hatch then there are ok odds that he’s going to bail.

342 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2014 1:42:51pm

re: #336 Kragar

Oh, the “we could make so much money if we fracked there” clause.

How about saying instead “Let’s frack there because we can sell the natural gas to Europe and thereby hit Putin in the pockbook.”

343 Kilroy01  Mar 20, 2014 1:43:10pm

re: #325 Dark_Falcon

As this is all speculation, the external fuel tanks (on the fenders) could be an easy target. Open the filler cap and “poof”. Once diesel starts it doesn’t go out easily. Depends on the level of access the person/persons had, if it is a deliberate act and not an accident.

344 dog philosopher  Mar 20, 2014 1:43:30pm

‘in perpetuity’

actually we should only have to estimate the costs until the second coming, right?

345 Kragar  Mar 20, 2014 1:43:49pm

re: #342 Dark_Falcon

How about saying instead “Let’s frack there because we can sell the natural gas to Europe and thereby hit Putin in the pockbook.”

or not.

346 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 1:44:02pm

re: #335 Dark_Falcon

Well, you can sue a gun manufacturer whose gun fails in way it should not have failed and injures someone or does property damage.

Right, anyhow my point is that the NRA is acting like guns are no more dangerous than doctors. Well we do regulate who can become a doctor and if we feel a doctor has either misdiagnosed or mishandled the medical case of a loved, we can sue them. So I’m not seeing their point here. And again a doctor is in the sole business of healing. A gun’s sole purpose is to harm. There’s a reason why people own them for protection, hunting, etc. It’s not my thing but to equate deaths due to medical error with guns is cowardly and dishonest of them.

347 Political Atheist  Mar 20, 2014 1:44:02pm

re: #329 HappyWarrior

Oh and we regulate doctors and doctors can be sued for negligence too so I am failing to see what the National Rifles and other guns should be given more concern than humanity Association is trying to get at here. It’s the same crap tactic when they claim cars are more dangerous than guns. We regulate automobiles and doctors. The NRA wants little to zero regulation of guns.

Is there any legal restriction on those convicted of multiple DUI’s or street racing buying really fast cars? I have never been charged with any kind of weapon/gun crime. I have good credentials-Clean record, credentialed safety and handling instructor. I still gotta wait to pick up a new gun more than a week to ensure a B/G check that takes a few seconds happens.

If I or a shooting range or a gun store effs up, we too can be sued out of existence financially just the same as a bad doctor. Who has a harder time with the average jury? A doctor or a shooting range?

348 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2014 1:47:24pm

re: #339 William Barnett-Lewis

re: #341 kirkspencer

I bow to you two gentlemen on this matter. As I said, my knowledge is on the academic side, the limitations of which you two just illustrated well and tactfully.

349 Charles Johnson  Mar 20, 2014 1:48:11pm
350 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 1:48:23pm

re: #347 Political Atheist

Is there any legal restriction on those convicted of multiple DUI’s or street racing buying really fast cars? I have never been charged with any kind of weapon/gun crime. I have good credentials-Clean record, credentialed safety and handling instructor. I still gotta wait to pick up a new gun more than a week to ensure a B/G check that takes a few seconds happens.

If I or a shooting range or a gun store effs up, we too can be sued out of existence financially just the same as a bad doctor. Who has a harder time with the average jury? A doctor or a shooting range?

No but we do prohibit people with multiple DUIs from having licenses. I am saying that I have a problem equating medical misdiagnosis with gun violence which is what is being done to the prospective surgeon general.

351 The Awkward Guy  Mar 20, 2014 1:49:55pm

I shall coin the term Gunsplaining.

352 Skip Intro  Mar 20, 2014 1:50:11pm

re: #296 RealityBasedSteve

You realize, that in that mix, Hannity would be considered the “Responsible Adult”. If that doesn’t scare you, you’re bullet-proof.

RBS

Having just re-read my idea, I see how stupid I was to think it was new. I just described every single show Fox News has.

353 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2014 1:50:13pm

re: #343 Kilroy01

As this is all speculation, the external fuel tanks (on the fenders) could be an easy target. Open the filler cap and “poof”. Once diesel starts it doesn’t go out easily. Depends on the level of access the person/persons had, if it is a deliberate act and not an accident.

That works if the MBTs are unmanned. The fuel system does have cutoffs to seal off external tanks if they catch fire. If anyone is in the tank that crewman will activate the cutoff, but if no one is in the tank the tactic might work.

354 kirkspencer  Mar 20, 2014 1:52:31pm

re: #343 Kilroy01

As this is all speculation, the external fuel tanks (on the fenders) could be an easy target. Open the filler cap and “poof”. Once diesel starts it doesn’t go out easily. Depends on the level of access the person/persons had, if it is a deliberate act and not an accident.

ffs. Sorry, but there’s a bit of misconception in there.

The extended range tanks on the Russian series tanks are distractions. The Russians designed the concept at the end of WWII, and were very familiar with the capabilities of both irregulars and tanks. In this case, the external tanks can be jettisoned, and the fuel lines are built with cut-outs for just this sort of problem. Yes, you’d have 55/100/300 gallons of diesel fuel burning in the road, but the tank would be fine.

If it’s parked and you can walk up to it, the most vulnerable location is the turret hatch - either that of the commander or the loader (unless it’s an autoload system). If it’s open put something down the hatch - molotov, grenade, whatever so long as it does damage.

If it’s closed, you need to either play head games with the crew or you have to hit it in the vulnerable spots. For infantry who can get close (which is the problem with armor in urban fights) the two ideal spots are the track and the rear deck. Bust the track and the tank becomes a pillbox - usually poorly situated. The armor over the rear deck is inevitably the thinnest and something important is under it. What depends on the tank in discussion (T-80 is the engine), but it’s always important. The thing is heavy infantry weapons can get through that armor on pretty much every MBT in existence.

355 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2014 1:52:36pm

re: #351 122 Year Old Obama

I shall coin the term Gunsplaining.

You may do that, but you must define the term for it to be recognized.

356 Bulworth  Mar 20, 2014 1:54:02pm

BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!!
CNN!!!!!!!!!
BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!!

THE SEARCH FOR FLIGHT 370!!!!!!!!!

357 Decatur Deb  Mar 20, 2014 1:54:21pm

Thought this was about the Hebrew National franks that have been talking to Glenn Beck through his desk stapler.

358 Kragar  Mar 20, 2014 1:54:33pm

re: #355 Dark_Falcon

You may do that, but you must define the term for it to be recognized.

359 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 1:55:09pm

re: #358 Kragar

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Ok I LOLed at that simply because of the face.

360 Kilroy01  Mar 20, 2014 1:55:55pm

re: #353 Dark_Falcon

They said fire, not explosion so I’m assuming it is an external fire (an internal fire would have to overwhelm the fire suppression system which is pretty “robust” in a tank. )

Even if you only get the track pads (rubber normally) to burn you may get a mobility kill, at least until that section of track is replaced.
(assuming it is “live” track - which I’d bet money it is)

361 jaunte  Mar 20, 2014 1:56:20pm

Earlier, the U.S. said Russian President Vladimir Putin is an investor in Gunvor, which ranks among the world’s biggest oil traders.

362 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2014 1:57:07pm
363 The Awkward Guy  Mar 20, 2014 1:57:46pm

I may be a bit miffed about the incessant worship of the glorified killing sticks we call guns.

364 Romantic Heretic  Mar 20, 2014 1:58:52pm

re: #130 chadu

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I can’t read that phrase without thinking of this.

Youtube Video

I seriously love this game.

365 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2014 1:59:02pm

re: #361 jaunte

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No doubt Putin saw this coming before Timchenko and sold his last week.

366 NJDhockeyfan  Mar 20, 2014 1:59:14pm
367 Kragar  Mar 20, 2014 2:00:25pm

re: #364 Romantic Heretic

I can’t read that phrase without thinking of this.

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I seriously love this game.

I’m stuck on the Warrior in “True Vault Hunter mode”. Its seriously pissing me off.

368 Political Atheist  Mar 20, 2014 2:01:29pm

re: #350 HappyWarrior

No but we do prohibit people with multiple DUIs from having licenses. I am saying that I have a problem equating medical misdiagnosis with gun violence which is what is being done to the prospective surgeon general.

On one level I get it what with the NRA reversing so many good policies from back when. OTOH, there is only one kind of dead. And deaths that can or should be prevented need not be ranked.

369 EPR-radar  Mar 20, 2014 2:04:51pm

re: #368 Political Atheist

On one level I get it what with the NRA reversing so many good policies from back when. OTOH, there is only one kind of dead. And deaths that can or should be prevented need not be ranked.

I think the biggest threat to the second amendment is the possibility that continual offensiveness from the NRA et al. creates support for repealing the amendment via blowback.

It wouldn’t surprise me at all if this possibility has been noted by the NRA as a reason to continue being offensive.

370 kirkspencer  Mar 20, 2014 2:07:00pm

re: #360 Kilroy01

They said fire, not explosion so I’m assuming it is an external fire (an internal fire would have to overwhelm the fire suppression system which is pretty “robust” in a tank. )

Even if you only get the track pads (rubber normally) to burn you may get a mobility kill, at least until that section of track is replaced.
(assuming it is “live” track - which I’d bet money it is)

The rubber pads in some tracks are ‘road pads’. Their purpose is to do less damage to asphalt roads. The individual links - the key part of the track - are metal. If you can get the rubber burning it won’t be a mobility kill. Odds are that the crew won’t even notice it. If the tank is moving at all there’s a decent chance a pad on fire will get smothered as it goes against the ground.

The belt is a chain of metal plates. Each is linked together with a hinge pin. In the M1 series this link is about as long as the average man’s forearm and about as thick around as a roll of quarters. It is one of the least fun activities I know to have to break and reconnect track.

I know because I got to do it when my tank threw its track when it slid sideways into a mud hole. My fault, I was TC and mis-read how soft the ground was when I had the driver stop there. Even with the help of the recovery vehicle it took a few hours and left us all sore and tired.

I know because I got to do it in garrison when we decided a link was too worn. Unhinge, move the tank so the tread rolls out, replace that link, run the chain and roll the tank back, fasten the last linkpin. Even with recovery vehicle, bright shining day, all the tools, and a concrete surface it took a few hours and left us all sore and tired.

But replace a pad? A couple of bolts, total.

371 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 2:09:33pm

re: #369 EPR-radar

I think the biggest threat to the second amendment is the possibility that continual offensiveness from the NRA et al. creates support for repealing the amendment via blowback.

It wouldn’t surprise me at all if this possibility has been noted by the NRA as a reason to continue being offensive.

I can tell you this much. The NRA’s actions have made me a lot more anti-gun than I would be otherwise. Gun owners really need a better lobbying group. I know not all gunowners are nuts knowing the ones I know here and having had many in my own family and friend circle but the NRA is the most prominent voice on gun ownership in the debate and frankly that stinks. The NRA relies on paranoia and I hate the hell out of it. The same rhetoric we hear about Obama TAKING AWAY YOUR GUNS is the same lies we heard in the Clinton years. The business of firearms thrives in Democratic presidencies because groups like the NRA use that fact to stroke up fear.

372 Political Atheist  Mar 20, 2014 2:11:20pm

re: #369 EPR-radar

There is no credible threat to the 2nd. Nada. Well with a couple exceptions that the Supreme Court dealt with. But those local pols keep trying to all but ban gun possession in places like Dc and Chicago. The LAPD gun detail openly states they will not comply with a recent court ruling. (Sorry can’t link a phone conversation) You can sue LAPD for wrongly denying you a CCW permit. You can win in court. Then at the end of the year they will deny you the renewal and the court case starts all over again. They already have a ruling in your favor. WTF?

Who is the threat to my right to have a gun? Not the NRA. More like LAPD.

373 Political Atheist  Mar 20, 2014 2:12:19pm

re: #371 HappyWarrior

I can tell you this much. The NRA’s actions have made me a lot more anti-gun than I would be otherwise. Gun owners really need a better lobbying group. I know not all gunowners are nuts knowing the ones I know here and having had many in my own family and friend circle but the NRA is the most prominent voice on gun ownership in the debate and frankly that stinks. The NRA relies on paranoia and I hate the hell out of it. The same rhetoric we hear about Obama TAKING AWAY YOUR GUNS is the same lies we heard in the Clinton years. The business of firearms thrives in Democratic presidencies because groups like the NRA use that fact to stroke up fear.

I agree 100% here.

374 EPR-radar  Mar 20, 2014 2:13:41pm

re: #371 HappyWarrior

Me too. Sensible gun owners usually don’t get heard from or seen in the media because the NRA (and the even nuttier GOA) get the visibility.

For many people, the NRA has reached (or is working diligently toward) Westboro Baptist levels of obnoxiousness.

375 EPR-radar  Mar 20, 2014 2:16:34pm

re: #372 Political Atheist

There is no credible threat to the 2nd. Nada. Well with a couple exceptions that the Supreme Court dealt with. But those local pols keep trying to all but ban gun possession in places like Dc and Chicago. The LAPD gun detail openly states they will not comply with a recent court ruling. (Sorry can’t link a phone conversation) You can sue LAPD for wrongly denying you a CCW permit. You can win in court. Then at the end of the year they will deny you the renewal and the court case starts all over again. They already have a ruling in your favor. WTF?

Who is the threat to my right to have a gun? Not the NRA. More like LAPD.

I’m not a fan of local law enforcement pulling this kind of stuff.

By “threat to the second” I meant specifically a repeal via the constitutional amendment process. Of course that is inconceivable now, but the NRA’s obnoxious crap is the kind of thing that could change this reality.

376 Kilroy01  Mar 20, 2014 2:18:13pm

re: #370 kirkspencer

I can relate to changing track. If you overheat (burn) the track “live” bushings there is a good chance they’ll throw a track soon after. A temporary win, but still.
Having thrown a track I can say I’d rather fix it right away then drive it until it breaks and hits something at speed. Can image what that would do in an urban area, or traffic.

Spent some quality time working with DATs as a 19D. Tank maintenance sucks. Though nothing is more fun than replacing a torsion bar in the field, in the mud, at night. Ah memories.

377 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2014 2:19:12pm

re: #375 EPR-radar

I’m not a fan of local law enforcement pulling this kind of stuff.

By “threat to the second” I meant specifically a repeal via the constitutional amendment process. Of course that is inconceivable now, but the NRA’s obnoxious crap is the kind of thing that could change this reality.

Yeah I’m not either. I want people to be able to protect themselves. And in an urban area where crime is more likely to be a problem, I especially empathize with that program. It’s just Mr. I live in rural so and so and feel the need to own a private arsenal that bothers me more. As I said, plenty of sane gun owners out there. Hopefully this will be something that changes with time.

378 Decatur Deb  Mar 20, 2014 2:21:31pm

re: #376 Kilroy01

I can relate to changing track. If you overheat (burn) the track “live” bushings there is a good chance they’ll a track. A temporary win, but still.
Having thrown a track I can say I’d rather fix it right away then drive it until it breaks and hits something at speed. Can image what that would do in an urban area, or traffic.

Spent some quality time working with DATs as a 19D. Tank maintenance sucks. Though nothing is more fun than replacing a torsion bar in the field, in the mud, at night. Ah memories.

Another escapee from Boatwright. They’re everywhere.

379 Swift2991  Mar 20, 2014 2:37:06pm

Not sure. Can anybody help me? Is he now a Brownshirt or a Boy Scout? The shirt is definitely brown. What are the insignia?

380 kirkspencer  Mar 20, 2014 2:39:09pm

re: #378 Decatur Deb

Another escapee from Boatwright. They’re everywhere.

19D scout, not 12D diver. Tankers’ unit tread grease.

kilroy, fwiw while I was enlisted I, too, walked everywhere - though I fell out of airplanes instead of the back of the truck before doing so. Then I got a little edjamacation and some gold bars and rode everywhere in the heavy cadillac instead. Much easier on the feet.

381 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 20, 2014 2:50:50pm

re: #370 kirkspencer

Good description.

Worst one I can remember was on a steep slope, in the rain. Tank (M-60A3) started going sideways down the hill, TC (not me, a young E5, I was loader & worried about rolling) panicked and told the driver to turn uphill and gun it. Threw both tracks inside the roadwheels. Lots of torch work by the M-88 crew that night. In the rain. Bleah.

382 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 20, 2014 2:52:09pm

re: #371 HappyWarrior

theliberalgunclub.com

Check us out sometime. They’re working on lobbying status in CA and elsewhere.

383 Kilroy01  Mar 20, 2014 2:57:17pm

re: #380 kirkspencer

Tankers where 19E (M60) or K (M1) in my day (did I just get old?)
When I was serving with tanks I was in a J series tank platoon in a Cavalry unit. (We drove M901s and M113s)
Cavalry Scout=Baby sister for the STUMPs (stupid tanker under military protection).

Really glad I never had to do what I was trained to do. Which was face the Soviets on the fields of Europe. Mostly because they estimated we had about an 8 second life span on the FEBA (forward edge of the battle area).

384 Romantic Heretic  Mar 20, 2014 3:01:45pm

re: #189 Pie-onist Overlord

Glenn Beck is now asking his audience for $$ so he can build a network so large that the government will never be able to shut him down.

And just in case the government acts before then at least his Grand Cayman accounts will be larger.

385 Romantic Heretic  Mar 20, 2014 3:06:56pm

re: #367 Kragar

I’m stuck on the Warrior in “True Vault Hunter mode”. Its seriously pissing me off.

Wait until you try Terramophus or Vermivorous the Invincible.

386 TedStriker  Mar 20, 2014 4:46:44pm

re: #273 William Barnett-Lewis

If you want to see a bunch of guys running faster than The Flash, have one of the old WP rounds on an M-60 start smoking… ;)

I’ve never served in the military, but even I know that Willie Pete ordinance is nasty, nasty stuff; I don’t think that I’d like a chunk of that burning a hole through me.

387 Bubblehead II  Mar 20, 2014 6:31:10pm

Night Lizards. It has been, as always, interesting.

Sleep well and may the Deity of your choice smile down upon you.

The winds, they be changing and not in a direction I feel comfortable about.

Think about it.


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