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1 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 6:55:54pm

Those nutty Iranians are up to something goofy again
Iranian Ship, in Plain View but Shrouded in Mystery, Looks Very Familiar to U.S.

Iran is building a nonworking mock-up of an American nuclear-powered aircraft carrier that United States officials say may be intended to be blown up for propaganda value.

Intelligence analysts studying satellite photos of Iranian military installations first noticed the vessel rising from the Gachin shipyard, near Bandar Abbas on the Persian Gulf, last summer. The ship has the same distinctive shape and style of the Navy’s Nimitz-class carriers, as well as the Nimitz’s number 68 neatly painted in white near the bow. Mock aircraft can be seen on the flight deck.

2 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:04:33pm

Everyone saw this —right?

It is a MUST WATCH!

3 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:05:10pm

Thanks for posting this video, Charles. The music is beautiful.

4 Kragar  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:07:38pm
5 jaunte  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:08:10pm

re: #1 Killgore Trout

Ali Khamenei turns 75 on July 17. It’s a giant steel birthday cake.

6 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:10:36pm
7 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:11:08pm
8 freetoken  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:14:05pm

Increasing page hits through the power of boobage:

Pamela Anderson Poses Nude At Age 46 (NSFW)

Didn’t think HuffPo had to go this route. Maybe they fear competition from Nate Silver and Glenn Greenwald?

9 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:15:30pm

re: #4 Kragar

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It was different because Bush dressing up in a flight costume gave the same feelings they get when they see Vlad shirtless on horseback. And Bush is also the naive one who claimed to have looked into Putin’s soul and saw a good man.

10 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:16:23pm

Happy Dance!!!! Since all my students next week are remote next week (Memphis to Boston, Livonia to Atlanta), I get to teach from the comfort of my living room. (ok, actually my den).

RBS

11 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:16:59pm
12 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:18:02pm

re: #8 freetoken

Increasing page hits through the power of boobage:

Pamela Anderson Poses Nude At Age 46 (NSFW)

Didn’t think HuffPo had to go this route. Maybe they fear competition from Nate Silver and Glenn Greenwald?

She has certainly been gift with good genetics. I could work with the best personal trainer for years and NEVER look like that.

13 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:18:37pm
14 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:20:16pm

Hey Wrenchwrench if you’re there regarding that “Crying in Spanglish” onesie that my niece was wearing that you were interested for yours. Apparently it’s something my SiL’s older sister made herself.

15 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:20:20pm
16 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:20:45pm

re: #13 FemNaziBitch

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He’s the thinking idiot’s Sarah Palin.

17 Lidane  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:21:28pm
18 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:21:32pm

re: #9 HappyWarrior

It was different because Bush dressing up in a flight costume gave the same feelings they get when they see Vlad shirtless on horseback. And Bush is also the naive one who claimed to have looked into Putin’s soul and saw a good man.

Wingnuts are easily taken by bright shiny:

OH LOOK REAGAN KISSED TEH FLAG, WHAT A TRUE PATRIOT!!! GWB HUGGED A SOLDIER IN SEAT 27C OF A 767, THEIR ARE NO PICTURES OF OBAMA LIKE THAT!!!!! LOOK AT ALL THESE GUNS, EAGLES, & COLONIAL DUDES!!!! PATRIOTISM!!!!!!

19 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:21:53pm
21 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:22:32pm

re: #18 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts are easily taken by bright shiny:

OH LOOK REAGAN KISSED TEH FLAG, WHAT A TRUE PATRIOT!!! GWB HUGGED A SOLDIER IN SEAT 27C OF A 767, THEIR ARE NO PICTURES OF OBAMA LIKE THAT!!!!! LOOK AT ALL THESE GUNS, EAGLES, & COLONIAL DUDES!!!! PATRIOTISM!!!!!!

So you’re saying wingnuts have the attention span of children, yep.

22 Gus  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:23:28pm
23 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:23:35pm

WATCH PAUL RYAN GET SMACKED DOWN BY ONE OF HIS INNER CITY CONSTITUENTS

24 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:24:04pm
25 Snarknado!  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:24:56pm

re: #21 HappyWarrior

So you’re saying wingnuts have the attention span of children, yep.

You have something against children?

26 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:25:42pm

re: #25 Snarknado!

You have something against children?

Nah not at all. Should have phrased that better.

27 jaunte  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:26:49pm

Heinous Texas Politicians, Part Eleventy: Dan Patrick mugs with the “Buc-Ee’s” beaver. twitter.com

28 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:28:19pm

re: #27 jaunte

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Heinous Texas Politicians, Part Eleventy: Dan Patrick mugs with the “Buc-Ee’s” beaver. twitter.com

I thought it was Mama Grizzlies that were their animal base.

29 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:28:54pm

Hey, freetoken - that bug you noted in the Favorites page is now repaired.

30 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:29:31pm
31 freetoken  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:29:54pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

どもありがとう

32 freetoken  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:30:27pm

Hmmm…. so why are Unicode characters messing up?

33 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:31:11pm

re: #31 freetoken

どもありがとう

Regular expression in need of tweaking.

34 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:31:21pm

re: #30 Pie-onist Overlord

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I’ll go on record here. I like Bush II and Nixon more than I do Reagan.I don’t think the amnesty was terrible but I do hate that Obama is accused of not doing anything on immigration while the right worships Reagan like a saint and ignores that bit.

35 Kragar  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:31:34pm
36 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:31:47pm
37 jaunte  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:31:48pm

re: #28 HappyWarrior

Some Dan Patrick vs. Julian Castro background:
kens5.com

The war of words started back in January 2014, when Castro tweeted to Patrick, calling him the “most anti-immigration Republican” candidate and “the Pete Wilson of Texas.”

38 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:32:26pm

Seriously, what happened to all the info on the far sides of the page?

I got nothin’

39 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:32:36pm

For some reason Twitter will no longer allow me to post this image:

40 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:33:19pm

re: #37 jaunte

Some Dan Patrick vs. Julian Castro background:
kens5.com

Really want to see Julian Castro go places. Was muy impressed with his keynote at the DNC two years back. I think he’s going to be a governor or senator someday and maybe even president.

41 Kragar  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:33:35pm

re: #39 Pie-onist Overlord

For some reason Twitter will no longer allow me to post this image:
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Put a frame around it and try again?

42 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:34:17pm
43 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:34:41pm
44 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:34:42pm

re: #39 Pie-onist Overlord

For some reason Twitter will no longer allow me to post this image:
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Mr. Lugert must be amused with the fact that now every wingnut can use his Columbia student ID number to print at the Columbia library for cheap and get good deals on food in the student union.

45 jaunte  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:35:05pm

Tweeted

46 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:35:19pm

re: #41 Kragar

Put a frame around it and try again?

Please do Teh Retweets

47 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:35:50pm

re: #39 Pie-onist Overlord

For some reason Twitter will no longer allow me to post this image:
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I just did it —resaved it with a different name.

48 Gus  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:36:36pm

re: #46 Pie-onist Overlord

Please to Teh Retweets

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WHY DID THOMAS LUGERT STEAL OBAMA’S COLLEGE ID?? HMM??!?!

49 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:37:06pm

I still want the GSD puppy I saw tonite.

She barked at me when I left.

:(

50 Gus  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:37:25pm

re: #46 Pie-onist Overlord

Please to Teh Retweets

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CAN’T YOU READ THE YEARS? HMM?! LOOK AT THE YEARS? OBAMA’S IS 1981 AND LUGERT’S IS 1998! CLEARLY LUGERT FORGED OBAMA’S ID LIBTARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

51 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:37:29pm

re: #48 Gus

WHY DID THOMAS LUGERT STEAL OBAMA’S COLLEGE ID?? HMM??!?!

Easy, Thomas Lugert is from Kenya and wants to declare Sharia law.

52 Gus  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:37:36pm

:D

53 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:37:39pm

Unicode bug now fixed.

54 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:37:42pm
55 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:37:57pm

re: #48 Gus

WHY DID THOMAS LUGERT STEAL OBAMA’S COLLEGE ID?? HMM??!?!

Why is Obama pretending to be Kenyan, when it’s obvious that he’s really German?

RBS

56 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:38:27pm

OBAMA HAS TEH TIME MACHINE AND HE TIME TRAVELED TO 1998 & STOLE THOMAS LUGERT’S ID & THEN FORGED HIMSELF A FAKE ID!!!!!!

57 jaunte  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:39:08pm

re: #54 Pie-onist Overlord

No one is allowed to print untruths in a book!

58 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:39:22pm

どもありがとう

59 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:39:24pm

re: #56 Pie-onist Overlord

OBAMA HAS TEH TIME MACHINE AND HE TIME TRAVELED TO 1998 & STOLE THOMAS LUGERT’S ID & THEN FORGED HIMSELF A FAKE ID!!!!!!

When I was in school, we just ordered them from the back of Rolling Stone.

RBS

60 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:39:30pm

re: #54 Pie-onist Overlord

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Yeah because no other president/presidential candidate has private records sealed. Nope never ever happened. We never saw the proof that Mitt Romney wasn’t a repliciant. I demand to see Mitt Romney’s certification of human existence!

61 Kragar  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:40:29pm

re: #54 Pie-onist Overlord

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The lack of evidence IS the evidence!

62 freetoken  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:41:06pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

どもありがとう

どもありがとうございました。

63 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:42:45pm

re: #61 Kragar

The lack of evidence IS the evidence!

64 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:43:38pm

Negative look-behinds rock.

65 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:43:58pm

I think Donald Trump’s guy is still in Hawaii drinking Mai Tais looking for the truth.

66 chadu  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:44:33pm

re: #63 FemNaziBitch

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67 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:46:24pm
68 Kragar  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:47:23pm
69 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:48:21pm

re: #68 Kragar

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I read in a book once that the queen of England is actually a reptile. I haven’t not seen her without a tail so I know it’s true!

70 Kragar  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:51:40pm

re: #69 HappyWarrior

71 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:52:53pm

re: #30 Pie-onist Overlord

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Reply to one of the points Robert Sobel made:

5. Ronald Reagan’s tax cuts were not the main cause of the recession of th early part of the 1980’s. The economic slow-down and spike in unemployment was caused by the sky high interest rates the Fed under Paul Volker employed to eliminate the hyper-inflation of the 1970’s. To be sure, Ronald Reagan knew exactly what Volker was doing and let him do it as he saw eliminating runaway inflation as crucial for economic stability. But Jimmy Carter had also known what Volker was going to do when he appointed him.

It’s true that Ronald Regan didn’t really explain it the American people the fact that the short-term damage done by high interest rates was critical for long term-growth, but there was not really a way for him to do so. To have come right and explained the situation clearly would have been heard by most of the public as “I’m sorry your life is being ruined but its in service of a higher purpose.” The rage that would have sparked needs no explaining. Again, Jimmy Carter would not have been able to explain it either. The proper way to understand the PAul Volker’s anti-inflation policy at the Fed and the short-term damage it did is as follows:

Lyndon Johnson’s and Richard Nixon’s policy decisions, coupled with changing economic conditions that were poorly adapted to, created a very-high inflation situation. Gerald Ford talked about solving the problem but was unable to do so. Jimmy Carter took action to actually solve the problem by appointing Paul Volker and after Ronald Reagan took over he let Volker finish what he had started. Volker’s policies, though vry painful, did end hyper-inflation and were thus crucial for America’s long-term economic health. Neither Carter nor Reagan caused the early 1980’s recession, it was the result of their predecessors’ policies.

I’ve got another rebuttal but I need to take a breather and make a call first.

72 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:53:16pm

well gang, I’m off to find a nice log to curl up under until morning when the sun can warm my blood and I go catch a nice fly for breakfast.

See ya later.

RBS

73 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:55:34pm

re: #70 Kragar

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Busted but good luck getting a straight response to that shit though. They believe Obama is a moron yet diabolical enough to plot the U.S’s destruction in a revenge plot.

74 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:57:27pm

re: #46 Pie-onist Overlord

I also very much doubt that 1981 Columbia student ID’s carried barcodes.

The use of scanners grew slowly at first. A minimum of 85 percent of all products would have to carry the codes before the system could pay off, and when suppliers reached that level, in the late 1970s, sales of the systems started to take off. In 1978 less than one percent of grocery stores nationwide had scanners. By mid-1981 the figure was 10 percent; three years later it was 33 percent, and today more than 60 percent are so equipped.

In fact the first handheld scanner wasn’t even invented until 1982. That would make ‘82 the first year that barcode technology would even theoretically have been conducive for use in a university library / access control system.

75 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:58:27pm

re: #74 goddamnedfrank

I also very much doubt that 1981 Columbia student ID’s carried barcodes.

In fact the first handheld scanner wasn’t even invented until 1982. That would make ‘82 the first year that barcode technology would even theoretically have been conducive for use in a university library / access control system.

Ah good catch that I hadn’t thought about.

76 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 8:00:47pm

re: #74 goddamnedfrank

I also very much doubt that 1981 Columbia student ID’s carried barcodes.

In fact the first handheld scanner wasn’t even invented until 1982. That would make ‘82 the first year that barcode technology would even theoretically have been conducive for use in a university library / access control system.

So in other words the “Obama Student ID” displays anachronisms in terms of features that were not available in its time, as did the “Bush National Guard Memos” that Charles debunked.

77 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 8:03:56pm

re: #75 HappyWarrior

Ah good catch that I hadn’t thought about.

When I went to UW Seattle in 1991 I remember being told that our Student IDs were a brand new design, and they carried a barcode for library access. I don’t think the older cards had barcodes but I’m not positive. It was also the first year that the U-Pass system was available letting us travel anywhere on the Metro bus system for a low fee paid as part of tuition. If you didn’t want the pass you could return the sticker and get the fee refunded during the first week of classes, but it was a great deal.

78 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 8:06:57pm

re: #77 goddamnedfrank

When I went to UW Seattle in 1991 I remember being told that our Student IDs were a brand new design, and they carried a barcode for library access. I don’t think the older cards had barcodes but I’m not positive. It was also the first year that the U-Pass system was available letting us travel anywhere on the Metro bus system for a low fee paid as part of tuition. If you didn’t want the pass you could return the sticker and get the fee refunded during the first week of classes, but it was a great deal.

Right, it’s something that I really didn’t give much thought since I was an undergrad in the past five years where barcodes on ID cards were standard and without much fanfare. Heck, we didn’t even have physical keys for our rooms but unlock them with our cards.

79 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 8:12:51pm
80 palomino  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 8:13:19pm

re: #30 Pie-onist Overlord

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There’s a greater disparity between the reality of Reagan and the conservative myth of Reagan (constructed by the gop) than probably any other president in the modern era.

Except maybe the disparity between the reality of Obama and the crude sick caricature of him drawn by the gop/tp.

81 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 8:15:49pm

re: #80 palomino

There’s a greater disparity between the reality of Reagan and the conservative myth of Reagan (constructed by the gop) than probably any other president in the modern era.

Except maybe the disparity between the reality of Obama and the crude sick caricature of him drawn by the gop/tp.

Indeed, the stuff Reagan did, I’d argue if any other president did Republican or Democrat, the people who see him as a saint would cry bloody murder. I mean there’s a reason why they flipped their shit over H.W Bush raising taxes but could have cared less when Reagan did. I know H.W specifically said no new taxes and that hit him in the ass but Reagan wasn’t exactly Walter Mondale when it come to honesty on taxes.

82 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 8:20:43pm

By the way, you may notice that the LGF search feature has been restored to its rightful place at the upper right of the page header.

83 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 8:21:04pm

The mythology involving Reagan and the right though to me invokes the scene in Blazing Saddles when Bart goes “Oh but i’d bet you’d do it for Randolph Scott” and the people of Rock Ridge put their hands on their hearts in unison say Randolph Scott with awe. It’s like that with Obama and the right. The stuff he does are stuff the right would totally applaud if done by Ronald Reagan.

84 Gus  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 8:31:10pm
85 Gus  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 8:35:04pm
86 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 8:37:02pm

re: #78 HappyWarrior

Right, it’s something that I really didn’t give much thought since I was an undergrad in the past five years where barcodes on ID cards were standard and without much fanfare. Heck, we didn’t even have physical keys for our rooms but unlock them with our cards.

It’s a good thing my dick is so big or I’d be annoyed at feeling so old.

87 Gus  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 8:38:48pm
88 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 8:39:33pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

By the way, you may notice that the LGF search feature has been restored to its rightful place at the upper right of the page header.

Yes, but the proportions are differrent. Which is fine, I’m just glad it is back.

:)

89 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 8:41:30pm
90 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 8:44:05pm

Obvious Photoshop.

The corset looks like it’s part of a Disney film.

91 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 8:46:25pm

The links:
O’Reilly: Media Covering Malaysian Airliner Because It “Doesn’t Want To Cover Important Stories Like The IRS And Benghazi”

Fox’s Empathy For Malaysian Airliner Victims: “Feels Like The Families Of Benghazi”

both are videos

92 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 8:48:04pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

Reply to one of the points Robert Sobel made:

SNIP

I’ve got another rebuttal but I need to take a breather and make a call first.

8. To ascribe the 1981 confrontation between the Professional Air Traffic COntrollers union (PATCO) and the Reagan Administration to a “war on unions” is just plain untrue. PATCO had in fact endorsed Reagan the year before and the Reagan Administration had been generous in its contract negotiations with the union. However, the union’s loathing of the Carter Administration had led its leadership to play up how much the union would stand to gain from a strike, and the rank and file of the union believed this so much that they thought they’d gain even more than what had been offered with a strike. Thus PATCO’s membership voted down the Reagan administration’s contract offer against the advice of the union’s leadership.

A strike still might have been avoided but a House investigation led by then-Congresswoman Geraldine Ferraro (D, NY), launched to examine whether the administration’s contract generosity was a quid pro quo for PATCO’s electoral support, eliminated the White House’s ability to grant additional concessions to PATCO to avert a strike. Thus Ronald Reagan found himself with three choices:

A. Make concessions anyways, knowing he might not be able to get the additional money from Congress and in trying burning most of his political capital with the Democrats, and also looking like he was guilty of giving the union payola for its endorsement.

B. Play hardball and threaten to fire any air traffic controllers who walked off the job, thereby likely keeping the nation’s commercial aviation running but likely firing thousands and burning the bridges he had tried to build with organized labor.

C. Let PATCO strike and at least partially shut down commercial aviation in the US. The result would have been serious economic damage at a time when (for reasons explained in my previous post) the nation could ill afford any additional disruption to the economy. Keep in mind here that if PATCO had been allowed to strike, the House investigation likely would have made any strike a prolonged affair, as the Reagan administration would have found it very difficult to come up with additional concessions to woo the strikers back to work.

The 1981 Air Traffic Controllers Strike was not Ronald Reagan’s malice but instead PATCO’s tragedy. Reagan’s firing of the striking controllers was the ‘least worst’ of three bad options.

Note: The website about the book from which much of my understanding of the PATCO Strike is derived is here.

93 Lidane  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 9:09:11pm

re: #87 Gus

Wait. Someone in 2014 actually thinks we should get rid of the Air Force? Really?

94 Gus  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 9:11:36pm

re: #93 Lidane

Wait. Someone in 2014 actually thinks we should get rid of the Air Force? Really?

Chubby Checker

95 Gus  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 9:11:50pm

Woops. :D Was listening to Chubby Checker.

96 Gus  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 9:11:59pm

re: #93 Lidane

Wait. Someone in 2014 actually thinks we should get rid of the Air Force? Really?

kentuckypress.com

97 palomino  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 9:12:05pm

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

You’re focusing on one tree while missing the rest of the forest. Reagan may have been in an intractably shitty situation wrt PATCO, excusing what otherwise looked like a reckless and hasty decision.

But regarding the existence and viability of unions in general, Reagan actually did quite a lot of damage. He was no friend of unions. Like his party, he generally pursued and supported policies that weakened most unions across the nation. He was a “right to work” guy. Meaning the guy who was once president of a union (SAG in his “acting” days) thought they were great for people like himself. But for others, not so much.

98 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 9:14:58pm

BIG sigh.

99 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 9:18:07pm

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

8. To ascribe the 1981 confrontation between the Professional Air Traffic COntrollers union (PATCO) and the Reagan Administration to a “war on unions” is just plain untrue. PATCO had in fact endorsed Reagan the year before and the Reagan Administration had been generous in its contract negotiations with the union. However, the union’s loathing of the Carter Administration had led its leadership to play up how much the union would stand to gain from a strike, and the rank and file of the union believed this so much that they thought they’d gain even more than what had been offered with a strike. Thus PATCO’s membership voted down the Reagan administration’s contract offer against the advice of the union’s leadership.

A strike still might have been avoided but a House investigation led by then-Congresswoman Geraldine Ferraro (D, NY), launched to examine whether the administration’s contract generosity was a quid pro quo for PATCO’s electoral support, eliminated the White House’s ability to grant additional concessions to PATCO to avert a strike. Thus Ronald Reagan found himself with three choices:

A. Make concessions anyways, knowing he might not be able to get the additional money from Congress and in trying burning most of his political capital with the Democrats, and also looking like he was guilty of giving the union payola for its endorsement.

B. Play hardball and threaten to fire any air traffic controllers who walked off the job, thereby likely keeping the nation’s commercial aviation running but likely firing thousands and burning the bridges he had tried to build with organized labor.

C. Let PATCO strike and at least partially shut down commercial aviation in the US. The result would have been serious economic damage at a time when (for reasons explained in my previous post) the nation could ill afford any additional disruption to the economy. Keep in mind here that if PATCO had been allowed to strike, the House investigation likely would have made any strike a prolonged affair, as the Reagan administration would have found it very difficult to come up with additional concessions to woo the strikers back to work.

The 1981 Air Traffic Controllers Strike was not Ronald Reagan’s malice but instead PATCO’s tragedy. Reagan’s firing of the striking controllers was the ‘least worst’ of three bad options.

Note: The website about the book from which much of my understanding of the PATCO Strike is derived is here.

Dark I just wanted to give you a pat on the back for really brining your A game today, you have been doing a much better job presenting your positions as a logical argument and owning up to mistakes than some other right wingers not his board do and I for one really appreciate it.

{DF}

100 Ming  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 9:21:40pm

re: #89 FemNaziBitch

Ridiculous Hawaii law lets police officers have sex with prostitutes

What a beautiful example of how insane it is to have “victimless crimes”. As with the War on Drugs, when you have consensual behavior, there is no victim. No one calls 911 and says, “I just bought some weed, and I’m having a great dinner at the Olive Garden.” So, with no victims of crime who eagerly come forward, the police have to go undercover to build a criminal case.

Of course, often in prostitution the women really are victims, so this is more of a gray area than the War on Drugs. I realize that the exploitation of sex workers is a very real problem. But I’m still stunned and amazed by how destructive it can be to have “victimless crimes”, especially to police-community relations.

101 Lidane  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 9:22:13pm

re: #96 Gus

kentuckypress.com

ROFL. I should send that link to my best friend. Her husband just retired from the Air Force as a Major. He’d probably have a few colorful things to say about it.

102 Gus  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 9:28:05pm
103 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 9:30:07pm

re: #97 palomino

You’re focusing on one tree while missing the rest of the forest. Reagan may have been in an intractably shitty situation wrt PATCO, excusing what otherwise looked like a reckless and hasty decision.

But regarding the existence and viability of unions in general, Reagan actually did quite a lot of damage. He was no friend of unions. Like his party, he generally pursued and supported policies that weakened most unions across the nation. He was a “right to work” guy. Meaning the guy who was once president of a union (SAG in his “acting” days) thought they were great for people like himself. But for others, not so much.

The thing is that the author of the article I was responding to hung his entire case for Reagan being anti-union on the PATCO strike:

8. His attack on Unions and the Middle Class -

The Republican war on unions and the middle class has been heating up in states like Wisconsin and Ohio, but it has been going on for a long time. Unions are formed to give a united voice to the workers in an attempt to create fairness between the corporations and their employees. On August 3rd, 1981, PATCO (Professional Air Traffic Controllers Organization) went on strike in an effort to get better pay and safer working conditions. Two days later, taking the side of business, Ronald Reagan fired 11,345 workers for not returning to work.

(Italics in original.)

My reply was directed at the example the article gave, not at other Reagan Administration conduct the article did not cite. As it was my answer was long and ‘wordy’ by necessity. To have increased its length to bring up other labor issues of the Reagan Administration would have required a good deal of additional research and an even longer post.

104 Lidane  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 9:31:52pm

I’m sure it will be right next to the dudebro chapters on DRONEZ and the persecution of St. Edward of Snowden:

105 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 9:32:20pm

I’ll be getting right on that job of proving Abby Martin’s “work” wrong. Right away.

106 Jocko's Rocket Ship  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 9:35:09pm

I don’t get the college transcript thing. We know he did well enough as a transfer student at Columbia to get into HLS. And he graduated magna cum laude at probably the most competitive law school at the time. His GPA would be in the high 3s, or in the top 6-20% (or something like that) of his class.

People don’t have to like him or his policies, but to suggest he was not a high- achiever academically is just stupid.

107 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 9:37:02pm

re: #106 Jocko’s Rocket Ship

I don’t get the college transcript thing. We know he did well enough as a transfer student at Columbia to get into HLS. And he graduated magna cum laude at probably the most competitive law school at the time. His GPA would be in the high 3s, or in the top 6-20% (or something like that) of his class.

People don’t have to like him or his policies, but to suggest he was not a high- achiever academically is just stupid.

QTF

108 palomino  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 9:38:29pm

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

Your rebuttal of the author’s point was sound.

But I would contend that the author missed the forest as well by focusing on only the PATCO example instead of the overall anti-union philosophy and the policies that derived therefrom.

109 Gus  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 9:40:00pm

Apparently Dick Cheney is still VP.

110 Ming  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 9:41:36pm

re: #106 Jocko’s Rocket Ship

Ironically, the reason Obama became famous in the first place is some publisher offered him a book deal because he was the first African-American editor of the Harvard Law Review.

111 palomino  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 9:43:24pm

re: #106 Jocko’s Rocket Ship

I don’t get the college transcript thing. We know he did well enough as a transfer student at Columbia to get into HLS. And he graduated magna cum laude at probably the most competitive law school at the time. His GPA would be in the high 3s, or in the top 6-20% (or something like that) of his class.

People don’t have to like him or his policies, but to suggest he was not a high- achiever academically is just stupid.

It’s like the insane birther nonsense. It comes from xenophobia and a paranoia that Obama is hiding something deep and dark and foreign and other-ish.

Previous presidents — all white with “American” names — were never asked to prove citizenship or show birth certificates. And in those cases where people wanted to see their transcripts, former presidents who declined to do so weren’t raked over the coals for it.

112 klys  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 9:46:13pm

re: #111 palomino

It’s like the insane birther nonsense. It comes from xenophobia and a paranoia that Obama is hiding something deep and dark and foreign and other-ish.

Previous presidents — all white with “American” names — were never asked to prove citizenship or show birth certificates. And in those cases where people wanted to see their transcripts, former presidents who declined to do so weren’t raked over the coals for it.

Meanwhile, Mitt Romney declined to provide more than his previous year’s tax return and that was just fine.

113 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 9:52:19pm

re: #108 palomino

Your rebuttal of the author’s point was sound.

But I would contend that the author missed the forest as well by focusing on only the PATCO example instead of the overall anti-union philosophy and the policies that derived therefrom.

I understand, and that’s something we can debate at a later time (right now I’m too deep into game prep to do extensive research). But I do thank you for listening to me and understanding what I was saying and why I said it. Your good sense and decency are greatly appreciated and they are far too rare on the internet.

114 Ming  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 9:58:53pm

re: #112 klys

Meanwhile, Mitt Romney declined to provide more than his previous year’s tax return and that was just fine.

I believe Romney provided his past 2 years of tax returns (not sure), but even that is incredibly paltry for a presidential candidate, and it’s truly disgraceful that the media didn’t demand more than those 1 or 2 years.

I’m curious why Romney was so insistent on not releasing any other tax returns. One of my pet theories is that Romney lied about his “tithing” of income to the Mormon Church.

115 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 10:00:11pm

re: #99 jamesfirecat

Dark I just wanted to give you a pat on the back for really brining your A game today, you have been doing a much better job presenting your positions as a logical argument and owning up to mistakes than some other right wingers not his board do and I for one really appreciate it.

{DF}

Thank you for that, James.

116 CuriousLurker  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 10:06:09pm

re: #74 goddamnedfrank

I also very much doubt that 1981 Columbia student ID’s carried barcodes.

In fact the first handheld scanner wasn’t even invented until 1982. That would make ‘82 the first year that barcode technology would even theoretically have been conducive for use in a university library / access control system.

You’re correct. It says so right on the Columbia website in the online version of their newsletter:

Photograph: The new Columbia ID card.

Columbia will begin a new phase of digital services next month, with the introduction of new Columbia ID cards and installation of ATM banking machines on campus. […]

“In the future, you won’t have to carry money around. You just need this card,” said Mark Burstein, vice president for student services. “It’s about convenience and security.”

The ID cards will be issued to all 50,000 of the University’s students, faculty and staff over the next year. The cards are digitally generated on computer, which will eliminate the voluminous paper files and speed the process of issuing the cards, according to Joseph Ienuso, director, finance and administration for student services. [..]

Process Begins

The process of issuing new ID cards begins March 1, starting with faculty and staff members who will receive a letter inviting them to obtain new cards. Students will be issued their cards as new students arrive or current students need their cards replaced. […]

Columbia University Record — February 2, 1996 — Vol. 21, No. 15

Not that any of that would convince a wingnut. After all, Columbia is a big city East Coast university guaranteed to be crawling with sneaky, lying, liberals. //

I know the ID number on the fake not having been changed has already been discussed, but if it hasn’t been mentioned here I would also point out that the font used on the fake ID is different from the others.

First, on the real ID the middle horizontal bar of the “E” is shorter than the top & bottom bars/arms.

Second, on the real ID the “apertures” (partially enclosed, rounded negative spaces) inside the “S” are quite different—the top/upper one is quite flat & narrow, while the bottom/lower one is more open, much more so than the ones on the fake, which are pretty much identical to each other. This is due in part to the angle, curvature & length of the “spine”.

Third, the real IDs use an extended, wider than normal font, whereas the fake one uses a normal (or perhaps even slightly condensed) one.

Fourth, why would the German foreign student’s ID simply say STUDENT, but Obama’s say FOREIGN STUDENT? Seems to me someone felt the need to literally spell it out for the rubes.

It’s all really sloppy and only serves to magnify the ignorant, idiotic mindset of the people promoting this kind of silly crap.

Okay, I’m outta here till tomorrow—for real this time!

Later.

117 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 10:10:02pm

One last thing I need to say about the article I was responding to (as a refresher, it is here) is that it really was designed as a kind of preaching-to-the choir for left-of-center folks. Robert Sobel ignores too much detail in it in order to get out short, ‘punchy’, jabs at Ronald Reagan. The result is a piece with multiple items that do not stand up under scrutiny (I went over two such items, numbers 5 and 8, but numbers 4 and 7 are also seriously flawed).

Overall, there are several people on this board who could have written a better short look at the Reagan years from a liberal perspective. But such a piece would incorporate nuance and understanding and as a result would likely not generate as many web hits from people looking for a political ‘quick-fix’ piece.

The better quality of writing by Charles and other Page authors here makes LGF a limited market site, but it also makes this bog better than so many others and its another reason I joined LGF and why I’ve stayed.

118 Kragar  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 10:11:36pm
119 Chrysicat  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 10:12:36pm
120 Kragar  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 10:14:42pm
121 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 10:16:57pm

re: #114 Ming

I believe Romney provided his past 2 years of tax returns (not sure), but even that is incredibly paltry for a presidential candidate, and it’s truly disgraceful that the media didn’t demand more than those 1 or 2 years.

I’m curious why Romney was so insistent on not releasing any other tax returns. One of my pet theories is that Romney lied about his “tithing” of income to the Mormon Church.

The other strong possibility is that Romney’s returns from other years showed him paying much lower rates perfectly legally.

122 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 10:39:05pm

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

IMO, the main weakness of the Sobel article is that many points that are more properly directed at movement conservatism as a whole are focused too specifically on the Reagan administration.

E.g., point #5 is a logical mess. Reagan’s tax cuts and job outsourcing are both bad things (at least from a leftie POV), but to imply the tax cuts were the cause of the outsourcing is bizarre. At the end, the point about static wages for middle and lower classes, while the rich get all the increases is valid, but it requires 30 years of data to become compelling. Thus it stands as a criticism of every Congress and administration from 1980 on, and it is a more significant criticism in recent years when the trend is more apparent.

Finally, I have to question how one gets to the conclusion that Reagan was worse then W Bush from a leftie point of view. That’s a real head-scratcher for me.

123 Chrysicat  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 10:45:58pm

re: #93 Lidane

Wait. Someone in 2014 actually thinks we should get rid of the Air Force? Really?

Best guess is it’s “because they’re not in the Constitution and should be folded into the Army”, not because he doesn’t want us flying military aircraft. This was a popular idea among paleos back when I was in HS and vulnerable to their crap and I doubt that it’s changed.

124 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 10:53:25pm

re: #123 Chrysicat

Best guess is it’s “because they’re not in the Constitution and should be folded into the Army”, not because he doesn’t want us flying military aircraft. This was a popular idea among paleos back when I was in HS and vulnerable to their crap and I doubt that it’s changed.

That’s likely it. They don’t understand that the creation of an Air Force as a separate service does not violate the Constitution, since the Constitution does not prohibit it and its creation does not violate the right of the several states nor those of individual citizens,

125 Kragar  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 10:55:39pm

LOL, this is just funny

And then he blocks me.

126 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 10:58:37pm

re: #122 EPR-radar

IMO, the main weakness of the Sobel article is that many points that are more properly directed at movement conservatism as a whole are focused too specifically on the Reagan administration.

E.g., point #5 is a logical mess. Reagan’s tax cuts and job outsourcing are both bad things (at least from a leftie POV), but to imply the tax cuts were the cause of the outsourcing is bizarre. At the end, the point about static wages for middle and lower classes, while the rich get all the increases is valid, but it requires 30 years of data to become compelling. Thus it stands as a criticism of every Congress and administration from 1980 on, and it is a more significant criticism in recent years when the trend is more apparent.

Finally, I have to question how one gets to the conclusion that Reagan was worse then W Bush from a leftie point of view. That’s a real head-scratcher for me.

More good arguments, and your points are well made.

As for point #5, I think Sobel just wanted to get a hit in on Regan and didn’t want to spend the time and effort that a real examination of the situation in 1981-1982 would have required (those dates were chosen because the early 80’s recession is generally held to have ended in January-February of 1983). Such an examination would have been a much longer and more complex piece than the editors of examiner.com likely wanted or had planned for. But that last is speculation on my part, so I’ll not go further in that vein.

127 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 11:00:04pm

re: #125 Kragar

LOL, this is just funny

[Embedded content]

And then he blocks me.

COBRA! DERP!

128 freetoken  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 11:03:38pm

And now for something… experimental:

MP3 Audio

129 Chrysicat  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 11:10:05pm

re: #128 freetoken

No offense, Free, but I’ve heard more-listenable electroclash. BTW, who’s the composer? And are they the artist or was the artist re-interpreting the sheet music?

130 Kragar  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 11:12:11pm

re: #127 Dark_Falcon

COBRA! >DERP!

“I think that fucktard blocked me!”

“No, I didn’t.”

“BLOCKED!”

131 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 11:15:51pm

I’m going to sign off for the night, but I’ll leave the group with this guest blog from the Collision Course website. Written by a air traffic controller who joined the FAA workforce and PATCO in 1968, struck and was fired in 1981, and was ultimately rehired when President Clinton lifted the ban on the rehiring of those fired for striking, it gives a brief look at how the air traffic control profession was changed when the FAA began hiring controllers after a period of not hiring. The writer, Bob Butterworth, is a longtime union activist who joined PATCO in the tumultuous year of ‘68, and his views make for good reading.

And on that note, Good Night All.

132 freetoken  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 11:16:16pm

re: #129 Chrysicat

Upon arriving in Cologne he began to write electronic music alongside Karlheinz Stockhausen and Gottfried Michael Koenig at the electronic studio of West German Radio (WDR). He completed only two works in this medium, however—the pieces Glissandi (1957) and Artikulation (1958)—before returning to instrumental music. A third work, originally entitled Atmosphères but later known as Pièce électronique Nr. 3, was planned, but the technical limitations of the time prevented Ligeti from realizing it completely.

Here’s another presentation, with visuals:

Youtube Video

Ligeti experimented with this stuff before many of the parents of those who do electrotrash were born.

133 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 11:31:29pm

re: #74 goddamnedfrank

I also very much doubt that 1981 Columbia student ID’s carried barcodes.

In fact the first handheld scanner wasn’t even invented until 1982. That would make ‘82 the first year that barcode technology would even theoretically have been conducive for use in a university library / access control system.

According to Snopes the type of card pictured in the so-called Obama student ID wasn’t introduced at Columbia until 1996. Also the picture of Obama shown on the card isn’t from 1981 but dates from his days at Harvard Law in the late 80’s/early 90’s.

134 DKoch  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 11:31:56pm

re: #83 HappyWarrior

The mythology involving Reagan and the right though to me invokes the scene in Blazing Saddles when Bart goes “Oh but i’d bet you’d do it for Randolph Scott” and the people of Rock Ridge put their hands on their hearts in unison say Randolph Scott with awe. It’s like that with Obama and the right. The stuff he does are stuff the right would totally applaud if done by Ronald Reagan.

They totally backed him when he was selling arms to friggin Iran.

They totally backed him when he passed amnesty for illegal aliens.

They totally backed him appointed pro-choice justices to the Supreme Court.

They totally backed him when terrorists blew up the US embassy and Marine barracks in Beirut.

They totally backed him when he made friends with the communists and cut nuclear arms.

They totally backed him when he signed national catastrophic healthcare and mandated emergency rooms to treat indigent patients.

They totally backed him when he regulated the “free market” with import restrictions.

They totally backed him when he ran up unprecedented deficits and engaged in massive Keyanisan government spending.

The gulf btwn their mythical fictional Reagan and actual historical Reagan is as wide as the Grand Canyon.

135 Kragar  Fri, Mar 21, 2014 12:02:28am
136 Lidane  Fri, Mar 21, 2014 12:14:24am

Well, that’s convenient.

137 Kragar  Fri, Mar 21, 2014 12:17:16am

re: #136 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Well, that’s convenient.

I wonder how many millions they could find in the couch?

138 Kragar  Fri, Mar 21, 2014 12:23:45am

Oh boy, a fun one!

139 Kragar  Fri, Mar 21, 2014 12:33:06am
140 freetoken  Fri, Mar 21, 2014 12:36:22am

re: #138 Kragar

Can’t you just put it out of its misery?

141 freetoken  Fri, Mar 21, 2014 1:13:31am

Russians!!

MP3 Audio

142 Kragar  Fri, Mar 21, 2014 1:18:38am

During the meeting at Richardson’s home, Brown called Obamacare a “monstrosity.” But Richardson and his wife quickly interjected, according to the Democrat, saying that the law had been “a financial lifesaver.”

After being injured on the job, Richardson had been forced to live on workers compensation for a while — a situation so costly that the couple eventually had to move out of their house. They also had to pay $1,100 a month to keep their health insurance. But now that the Richardsons have signed up for health insurance through Obamacare and qualified for a tax subsidy, they’re paying $136 a month for a plan that covers both of them.

“Thank God for Obamacare!” Richardson’s wife Rita said, according to the Democrat.

143 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 21, 2014 1:30:29am

re: #84 Gus

[Embedded content]

Hasn’t she got the Nazi swatiska backwards, though? Yeah, she’s a real braintrust.

144 klys  Fri, Mar 21, 2014 1:41:00am

Well, whoever you are, I hope the drinks downtown were worth your arrest, charges, and the damages you’ll have to pay because of your decision to drive DUI.

Husband and I both stopped about 20 minutes ago and said, “did you hear that? Did that sound like..?” I headed down to the corner with my cell phone in case someone was hurt and sure enough there was someone looking for a phone there - had watched a car blow through one stop sign, and apparently it was trying to turn right without stopping at the next one at a high rate of speed (he estimated 60mph in a 25 zone) and …didn’t.

The folks at the house on the corner are going to be getting a new car though.

Cops were there less than a minute after I got to the corner. My hat is off to them. I’ve had to deal with the cops in our town a time or two (we’ve had break-ins) and I’ve known from that they are professional, but I was impressed by the response time on this (it didn’t take me that long to get to the corner). Heard them asking the guy some questions (which bar he’d been at, which he didn’t want to share, although he did volunteer that he’d had a few beers…) …honestly, I wish our town was a little less the “hot spot” to be, and I know the cops do too.

145 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 21, 2014 1:48:14am

Get this turd off the streets permanently. No concurrent sentences for totally unrelated crimes, please. He is a menace. Of course, he’s a white man in Mississippi, too, and we know how that goes.

Man in ricin-letter case pleads guilty to fondling

bigstory.ap.org

BRANDON, Miss. (AP) — The man who pleaded guilty last week to sending poison-laced letters to President Barack Obama and other officials has pleaded guilty to unrelated fondling charges.

(snip)

“In the ricin case, the plea agreement calls for Dutschke to be sentenced to 25 years. In the fondling case, prosecutors recommended he serve 20 years. Prosecutors in each recommended the sentences be served concurrently.

“Prosecutors in Lee County, Miss., say Dutschke inappropriately touched former students at his martial arts studio in Tupelo.”

146 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 21, 2014 1:52:11am

Tell me sanctions don’t work.

Shares in Russia’s largest natural gas provider Novatek fall 12% after US sanctions against its co-owner, Gennady Timchenko - @Reuters

end of alert

147 Chrysicat  Fri, Mar 21, 2014 1:52:39am

re: #145 Justanotherhuman

They’ll probably get him just because the Rs have as much problem with fondling the underage as any libby-lib does.

But that’s probably the only reason he’ll be going away for a proper time period.

148 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 21, 2014 1:58:20am

A good story on what Crimeans should know about what was done to them by Russia.

149 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 21, 2014 2:05:03am
150 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 21, 2014 2:13:50am

re: #147 Chrysicat

They’ll probably get him just because the Rs have as much problem with fondling the underage as any libby-lib does.

But that’s probably the only reason he’ll be going away for a proper time period.

Here’s the story on the fondling case; these were very young girls. At least he pled guilty and spared them the agony of a trial, but he faced 45 yrs if he didn’t plead guilty.

wtva.com

151 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 21, 2014 2:23:28am

re: #136 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Well, that’s convenient.

Karpeles probably figured he’d get in trouble for hiding them; this was just a skin-saving tactic and his little insurance for the future, I’d bet, so he wouldn’t be totally broke. I doubt he thought the authorities would be so thorough—if he thought at all.

152 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 21, 2014 2:32:43am

A Crypto-Sting Operation to Find Crypto-Currency

blogs.wsj.com

CHICAGO — Plaintiffs who have sued defunct bitcoin exchange Mt. Gox have launched an elaborate plan to get some of their crypto-currency back after gaining court approval Thursday.

“A federal judge on Thursday signed off on the proposal to find hidden assets of the Mt. Gox chief executive Mark Karpeles, after an unusual court hearing that included calling for testimony from the public in attendance.

“It’s kind of like a sting,” said U.S. District Judge Gary Feinerman, with a grin, as lawyers presented their plan to trace what they allege are illegal transfers of bitcoin by Tokyo-based Mt. Gox’s CEO, Mark Karpeles. Mr. Karpeles didn’t respond to an e-mailed request for comment.” More

And, BTW, WSJ reporter and editor, it’s “defense counsel”, not “defense council”. Cheeeez.

153 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Mar 21, 2014 3:01:40am

re: #121 EPR-radar

The other strong possibility is that Romney’s returns from other years showed him paying much lower rates perfectly legally.

remember that he tweaked his last released return by deferring some taxes to make it look like he was paying a slightly higher rate than the embarrassingly low previous rate.

154 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Mar 21, 2014 3:04:11am

re: #137 Kragar

I wonder how many millions they could find in the couch?

you mean in a digital davenport?

155 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 21, 2014 4:30:35am

An aerial view of foggy London town.

Image: foggy-london.jpg

156 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Mar 21, 2014 6:44:37am

re: #136 Lidane

Yet another example of how loose a ship Mt. Gox was running. Proper accounting procedures would have kept track of all assets.

Makes me wonder whether the other 750,000 bitcoins are just misplaced, and not really stolen.

157 chadu  Fri, Mar 21, 2014 7:20:28am

re: #125 Kragar

LOL, this is just funny

[Embedded content]

And then he blocks me.

IRONY!


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