Greenwald: All You Uber-Nationalistic Jingoistic Devoted Loyalist Hypocrites Are Free to Disagree

The Mighty Greenwald makes excuses again
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Have you noticed that every second or third article by Glenn Greenwald at The Intercept is explaining and/or defending something awful he’s done, or viciously attacking his critics for pointing it out? It’s really striking. At least half of Greenwald’s time these days is taken up with trying to justify his very obvious anti-American agenda, with reams of verbiage and insults.

Here’s the latest example, in which the most moral and honest journalist who has ever lived frantically attempts to justify the New York Times story on NSA spying against China: Some Facts About How NSA Stories Are Reported.

I thought it might be fun to extract out just the ad hominem attacks, sarcasm and insults from this typically over-long series of excuses.

Several members of the august “US Journalists Against Transparency” club…

Echoing the script of national security state officials…

True to form, however, these beacons of courage…

… one must congratulate the US Government on its outstanding propaganda feat of getting its journalists to lead the war on those who bring transparency…

…beyond the abject spectacle of anti-transparency journalists…

…cowardly refusing to criticize the media outlets that actually made the choice…

…don’t mislead people…

The jingoistic view of what is “newsworthy” is baseless and warped.

Who created the uber-nationalistic standard…

…are American journalists (and whistleblowers like Snowden) supposed to keep the public ignorant of anything and everything the US Government does to people provided those people aren’t blessed with American citizenship?

…massive deceit and hypocrisy by US officials…

If you’re a US government official, or a devoted loyalist to the US government, then it makes sense that you’d be angry that has been revealed.

…jingoistic government loyalists…

That’s just a quick once-over — there’s plenty more ad hominem where that came from. But perhaps the best line in the whole rant:

Now, obviously, anyone is free to agree or disagree with Snowden’s framework for how these materials be handled and reported.

Sure, you’re free to disagree, you uber-nationalistic devoted loyalist hypocrite jingoistic shill for the national security state!

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360 comments
1 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 10:54:51am

Hilarious hypocrisy here:

Remember, this is the guy who constantly hauls in Daniel Ellsberg as an argument from authority.

2 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 10:55:42am

“Transparency”? He keeps using that word. I do not think it means what he thinks it means.

3 Kragar  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 10:56:38am

Like I asked before, how does a legal operation against a foreign government suspected of illegal action harm or deceive American citizens? How does exposing it make Americans safer?

4 Testy Toad T  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 10:57:52am

Takes a devoted loyalist hypocrite shill to know a devoted loyalist hypocrite shill.

5 TedStriker  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 10:58:47am

re: #4 Testy Toad T

Takes a devoted loyalist hypocrite shill to know a devoted loyalist hypocrite shill.

Wait, I thought we were ‘lickspittle toadies’?

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6 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:00:49am

re: #5 TedStriker

Wait, I thought we were ‘lickspittle toadies’?

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Slobbering Sycophants
Pontificating Partisans
Groveling Groupies
Obnoxious Obamabots

(By all means, invent your own Glennisms!)

7 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:01:58am

Please retweet…

8 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:02:09am

ACUTALLY BOTH THESE PHOTOS ARE THE SAME GUYS.

9 Internet Tough Guy  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:02:24am

re: #3 Kragar

It’s about making friends in Beijing safer, silly! Glenn, if nothing else, is loyal to his paymasters.

10 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:05:15am

Also: drooling

11 Kragar  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:06:03am

re: #8 Pie-onist Overlord

ACUTALLY BOTH THESE PHOTOS ARE THE SAME GUYS.

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12 jaunte  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:06:05am

Abject anti-transparency jingoistic lickspittle toadies!

13 simoom  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:08:03am

De Morgen apologises for Obama cartoon

De Morgen dedicated a whole section to Barack Obama’s upcoming visit to Belgium in its weekend edition. The weekly satirical page “The Daily Herald” was completely devoted to the American president and was baptised “The Obama Herald” for the occasion.

The page contains fictitious tweets by Obama, some articles and also a cartoon. It shows a photo that the Russian president Vladimir Putin allegedly sent to De Morgen, showing Barack and Michelle with a monkey face (photo below).

Today, De Morgen openly apologises for this “tasteless joke”. On page 2, the daily writes that “when you consider the fragment apart from its context, which is a properly worked out satirical section, then you don’t see the joke but just a picture evoking sheer racism. That was a risk we didn’t consider enough beforehand”, the statement goes.

“We wrongly assumed that racism is no longer accepted, and that in this way it could be the subject of a joke”, De Morgen continues. The editors say that overlooked the fact that in the United States, the comparison between blacks and monkeys is still something that pops up regularly today.

14 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:08:10am

Rotating title? Pretty please?

“All You Uber-Nationalistic Jingoistic Devoted Loyalist Hypocrites Are Free to Disagree”

15 darthstar  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:08:45am
16 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:10:18am
17 jaunte  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:10:44am
Argumentum ad sycophanta praeminister
18 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:12:03am

re: #16 Gus

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“Very specific blueprints” = Powerpoint slides.

19 darthstar  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:12:15am

And sometimes, you cheer for the Hippo.

20 Dr. Matt  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:12:55am
21 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:13:39am
22 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:14:45am
23 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:15:06am

re: #19 darthstar

And sometimes, you cheer for the Hippo.

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Nope.

24 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:15:32am

Sure, Snowden is in possession of documents that would allow someone to evade NSA surveillance if they still operated specifically as those documents state.

The NSA aren’t stupid. They know exactly what Snowden had and I guarantee they’ve changed almost all their policies or procedures so anything in the documents is now outdated if not outright incorrect in the first place.

25 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:16:04am

re: #19 darthstar

Is that supposed to be Putin’s brother or something?

26 darthstar  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:16:26am

re: #23 Dr Lizardo

Nope.

Come on…you’ve never played “Hungry Hippo?” That game is a blast! - but you have to love the look on that Hippo’s face. Something along the lines of “Oh, you stupid, naked motherfucker…”

27 darthstar  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:16:47am

re: #25 Eclectic Cyborg

Is that supposed to be Putin’s brother or something?

His head’s turned…could be Putin.

28 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:17:56am
29 jaunte  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:18:23am

No arguments from authority, please.

30 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:19:07am

re: #24 Eclectic Cyborg

Sure, Snowden is in possession of documents that would allow someone to evade NSA surveillance >if they still operated specifically as those documents state.

The NSA aren’t stupid. They know exactly what Snowden had and I guarantee they’ve changed almost all their policies or procedures so anything in the documents is now outdated if not outright incorrect in the first place.

Some of those policies and methods take time to develop, and some of them aren’t so easy to change - such as what they’re looking at, for, and how to exploit certain methodologies. Not nearly as easy as changing search terms.

Snowden’s haul of documents has been truly damaging, and Greenwald admits as much in his 2013 statement (see Gus’ posts above). Of course, those were buried admissions among his speculative nonsense - and none of those leaks have anything to do with violations of US law and US civil rights.

In fact, the NSA spycraft vis a vis Russia or China is part of the NSA obligation to fulfill its mission to keep the nation safe and to provide intel to the national command structure (DoD, Executive, Congress, and with judicial oversight).

31 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:20:29am
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Welcome, Unhatched One.

32 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:20:56am

re: #26 darthstar

Come on…you’ve never played “Hungry Hippo?” That game is a blast! - but you have to love the look on that Hippo’s face. Something along the lines of “Oh, you stupid, naked motherfucker…”

Naked and Afraid. The Hungry Hungry Hippo edition.

33 TedStriker  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:21:11am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Hilarious hypocrisy here:

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34 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:21:53am

re: #28 Gus

Weirdo.

To say the least.

Gael
@GaeMar01

Investigator & original Twitter campaigner-Interest in Rothschild bankers- M Section’s James Bond op aka Creighton inspiration behind Ian Flemming’s James Bond

With a lovely image also. /

35 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:24:06am

re: #26 darthstar

Come on…you’ve never played “Hungry Hippo?” That game is a blast! - but you have to love the look on that Hippo’s face. Something along the lines of “Oh, you stupid, naked motherfucker…”

Heh….yeah the look on the hippo’s face is something. I can’t help but wonder the look on the face of the naked chap in the picture is? Something like, “Oh, shit” I would imagine.

36 darthstar  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:24:20am

re: #32 lawhawk

Naked and Afraid. The Hungry Hungry Hippo edition.

Beautiful creature though, isn’t it. Almost makes me feel guilty about my cowboy boots…comfy and soft as they are.

37 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:26:49am

re: #34 wrenchwench

To say the least.

With a lovely image also. /

Results for from:GaeMar01 jews

38 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:27:03am

re: #19 darthstar

And yeah, that’s a photoshop too. Original photos here.

dailymail.co.uk

Not that the meme isn’t fun…. it is. But hippos are among the nastiest and meanest critters out there.

39 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:27:28am

re: #28 Gus

Weirdo.

What an insane freak.

40 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:28:52am

re: #39 Pie-onist Overlord

What an insane freak.

41 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:28:55am

re: #19 darthstar

And sometimes, you cheer for the Hippo.

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I don’t think I want to know. Hippos are some of the meanest and most territorial critters in Africa though & I’d not care to be within a mile of one without at least a .375 H&H in hand.

42 jamjam  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:30:06am

Greenwald is a devious person with the mentality and behaviour of a cult leader: he is under attack from dark, evil, outside forces, he is fighting for good, he tolerates no criticism. No deviations from his views are allowed - until he changes his views.

Seriously, this sort of thinking is a mental scourge. It is terrible. It is the opposite of critical thinking. Rather than asking, “could I be wrong on this?”, his reflexive response to criticism is, “you are wrong, I am right, and not only that, but you are evil, and are motivated by that evil.”

Orwell’s Notes on Nationalism describes this thinking nicely. These people will do all sorts of mental tricks to maintain adherence to their ideologies. Just like when British communists (living in the UK) who despised Churchill and the conservatives, prattled on about Germany and Russia being partners in a new prolaterian, pro-socialist kinship, and said that Britain should have never sent troops to attack Hitler, nor should they have resisted Operation Sea Lion…..

…then Germany attacked Russia, and literally in hours, these communists had to change their propaganda: now Germany was evil, fascist, a dictatorship, and Britain was right to have resisted the invasion, and to have sent troops to Europe.

They went from one position, to the exact opposite, in an hour, without asking, “were we right?” That didn’t matter. It was right because Stalin said it was right.

Unfortunately, that meant they took their ideological cues from a sociopath, who stood for nothing but self-preservation, despised sentiment, and worshipped only power. (Not too different from the current Russian leader.) Nothing WRONG with that necessarily, I’m sure Putin would see “opportunist” as “pragmatist” and ultimately an accurate label, just like Stalin (if they ever wasted time on such trivial thoughts, which I doubt).

But Greenwald and his ilk are sanctimonious. They would be insulted if they were called double-talkers or even pragmatists, just like the British commies of the 1930s and 40s. They think they are idealists, that they stand for the just, the right, the good. In reality, they idolise whatever and whomever makes the US look bad. Just like the GOP when they’re in opposition. Putin, with his thumb in the eye of the US and the EU, is perfect for them, because he is a wrecker, like them, with no constructive solutions, like them.

Greenwald et al. have this down to a pathetic sort of arithmetic, where US = bad, and anyone else = good.

43 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:30:49am

re: #42 jamjam

Welcome, hatchling.

44 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:31:46am

re: #41 William Barnett-Lewis

I don’t think I want to know. Hippos are some of the meanest and most territorial critters in Africa though & I’d not care to be within a mile of one without at least a .375 H&H in hand.

And in less than 5’ of water?

45 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:32:11am

re: #40 Gus

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WTF IS THAT THING ON ITS PROFILE PAGE.

46 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:32:19am

re: #42 jamjam

Good use of Orwell. Welcome as well.

47 jaunte  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:32:26am

re: #42 jamjam

Greenwald is a devious person with the mentality and behaviour of a cult leader: he is under attack from dark, evil, outside forces, he is fighting for good, he tolerates no criticism. No deviations from his views are allowed - until he changes his views.

I don’t understand how anyone can read him for a while and be o.k. with this bizarre behavior.

48 darthstar  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:32:39am

re: #38 lawhawk

And yeah, that’s a photoshop too. Original photos here.

dailymail.co.uk

Not that the meme isn’t fun…. it is. But hippos are among the nastiest and meanest critters out there.

Thanks for pissing in my porridge. Updated my facebook status.

49 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:32:54am

re: #45 Pie-onist Overlord

WTF IS THAT THING ON ITS PROFILE PAGE.

JFK autopsy photo.

50 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:33:35am

re: #49 Gus

JFK autopsy photo.

Is that real? I thought those photos could not be released.

51 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:33:36am
52 jaunte  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:33:40am

re: #49 Gus

Truly a sicko.

53 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:35:24am

Wow, GG, that’s certainly some of the finest propaganda I’ve heard since the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Propaganda, you know, always has that certain “ring” to it; words, phrases, such as “journalists”, “whistleblower”, “jingoistic view”, “massive deceit and hypocrisy”, etc, all giving lie to the intent of your message, which is an attempt to frame the debate on the theft of state secrets which threaten national security, and designed to protect both you and your errand boy, Edward Snowden.

It’s what you’ve been doing since Day 1 of this set-up. So, who are you really working for, GG? Who is paying you the most at the moment?

54 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:35:37am
55 Snarknado!  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:35:44am

re: #46 William Barnett-Lewis

Good use of Orwell. Welcome as well.

From me, too.

But what took you so long? :)

56 ObserverArt  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:36:50am

Nice write up Charles. You are fast becoming one of the people that will bring some balance to all his bluster. Much needed too. I’m sure you are ready to expect the blow back, because his style is to attack and one day this site and you will be a big target. I don’t think he can take anyone criticizing him in any manner. It will be like a scene in The Exorcist…he will write something head spinning and laden with curses.

57 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:38:07am
58 sagehen  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:40:26am

re: #24 Eclectic Cyborg

Sure, Snowden is in possession of documents that would allow someone to evade NSA surveillance >if they still operated specifically as those documents state.

The NSA aren’t stupid. They know exactly what Snowden had and I guarantee they’ve changed almost all their policies or procedures so anything in the documents is now outdated if not outright incorrect in the first place.

There’s a limit to what can be changed… math is math, physics is physics, and if you’ve found/written equations and algorithms that nobody has picked up on yet… that doesn’t mean you’ll find more when your unique knowledge becomes shared knowledge.

59 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:42:03am

“The U.S. government should be on its knees every day begging that nothing happen to Snowden, because if something does happen to him, all the information will be revealed and it could be its worst nightmare.”
— The Mighty Greenwald

60 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:43:00am

re: #54 Gus

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I think we know who has them. Encrypted or not, they’ve already been read.

Snowden’s life is already worth nothing.

61 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:44:31am

re: #8 Pie-onist Overlord

ACUTALLY BOTH THESE PHOTOS ARE THE SAME GUYS.

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LOLOLOLOL.

62 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:45:45am

re: #19 darthstar

And sometimes, you cheer for the Hippo.

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Dammit Putin, put some clothes on!

63 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:46:32am
64 darthstar  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:47:45am
65 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:48:21am

Here we go again. Pending…

66 jamjam  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:49:20am

re: #31 wrenchwench

Thanks. I posted, I think, one post during the 2012 election, but maybe I took it down or something. It was during the debates.

I’ve been lurking here for a good few years now though :) Such an excellent site. This place is like a mirage come to life…you know, walking through the dry desert of the political blogosphere, you do see the occaissional town, but the number of nutters is usually between 1/4 and 1/2 that of the reasonable folk (too high a number for me). So they are ‘towns divided’.

Then if you go down to the elephant graveyard (right wing political blogs), it is purely nutcases, angry loners and a few Ron Paul supporters. If you follow them home, you’ll end up lost in a Koresh-ian ranch, Waco style, where the fire never goes out.

If you are lucky, you see a shimmering lake, cool waters, palm trees, lush vegetation. Cool heads and calm discussions abound. It is a mirage, surely? Many of the other parts of the desert looked that way, until I looked closer.

But no, it is not a mirage, it is something special, an outpost of rational, even, considered, thoughtful conversation. It is the best place in the blogosphere for reading politics, and pretty good for reading other stuff too.

67 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:49:57am

*headdesk*

68 darthstar  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:50:11am

If the US government was as evil as GG says, one thing they’d do is shut up Snowden’s communication ports - himself included - then track down his other contacts and work their way through all those other risk factors. After all, it’s what Putin did to reporters when they criticized the state.

69 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:50:43am

re: #67 Pie-onist Overlord

*headdesk*

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Yeah, because nothing has helped American more than giving corporations all the rights of humans without any of the responsibility!

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70 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:50:57am

re: #66 jamjam

And we have an abundance of kittehs and pie.

71 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:51:45am

re: #70 Backwoods_Sleuth

And we have an abundance of kittehs and pie.

I eated the pie.

72 ObserverArt  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:51:48am

re: #3 Kragar

Like I asked before, how does a legal operation against a foreign government suspected of illegal action harm or deceive American citizens? How does exposing it make Americans safer?

You’ll need to let Glenn Greenwald explain that to you. I think only he is capable.

/

73 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:52:02am

re: #71 Varek Raith

I eated the pie.

There is ALWAYS pie…

74 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:53:45am

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

There is ALWAYS pie…

Challenge accepted.

75 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:53:54am

re: #70 Backwoods_Sleuth

And we have an abundance of kittehs and pie.

And bacon too…

Mmmm… bacon!

76 darthstar  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:54:09am
77 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:55:51am

re: #71 Varek Raith

I eated the pie.

How the heck did you beat Avery? He must be asleep.

78 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:55:58am

Outreach

The finance co-chair of Florida Governor Rick Scott’s reelection campaign, billionaire Latino Mike Fernandez, has resigned from the campaign because Scott’s staffers just can’t keep their racist innuendo to themselves.

79 jaunte  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:56:31am

re: #67 Pie-onist Overlord

Ted Cruz; no shilling too cheap or obvious.

80 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:56:50am
81 Kragar  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:57:02am

Oderus Urungus has passed away.

82 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:57:22am

re: #78 Varek Raith

Reports Scott hired a Mariachi band to play as Fernandez left the building are unsubstantiated.

83 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:57:40am
84 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:57:53am

re: #81 Kragar

Oderus Urungus has passed away.

Well shit.
billboard.com

86 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 11:58:45am

Seriously, how stupid do you have to be realize that alienating Latinos is NOT the way to win in Florida?

As bad as Scott’s poll numbers are, he can use all the help he can get. Really, really dumb people he’s got working for him.

87 RadicalModerate  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:00:08pm

re: #67 Pie-onist Overlord

*headdesk*

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Why is it that these folks’ versions of “RELIGIOUS FREEDOM!” seems to always involve some sort of interpretation of an ongoing theme that includes events like the Inquisition, the Crusades, or the Salem Witch Trials?
Just about every time, they gain freedom by denying someone else theirs.

That word “Freedom”…

88 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:00:40pm

Blow kisses softly and carry a big stick cardboard tube.

89 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:00:42pm
90 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:01:20pm

re: #88 wrenchwench

Looks like a giant e-cig

91 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:01:32pm

re: #86 Eclectic Cyborg

Seriously, how stupid do you have to be realize that alienating Latinos is NOT the way to win in Florida?

As bad as Scott’s poll numbers are, he can use all the help he can get. Really, really dumb people he’s got working for him.

And teasing a Cuban with Mexican slurs is a GREAT way to appeal to ALL Latinos!

92 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:01:51pm
93 simoom  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:02:09pm

re: #54 Gus

Here’s a couple more Greenwald deadman’s switch citations I didn’t include in my initial write-up (I hadn’t come across them yet at the time):

Greenwald’s La Nación interview:

theweek.com

He has already distributed thousands of documents and made sure that various people around the world have his complete archive. If something happens to him, these documents would be made public. This is his insurance policy. The U.S. government should be on its knees everyday praying that nothing happens to Snowden, because if anything should happen, all the information will be revealed and this would be its worst nightmare.”

Greenwald’s AP interview:

bigstory.ap.org

“It’s not just a matter of, if he dies, things get released, it’s more nuanced than that,” he said. “It’s really just a way to protect himself against extremely rogue behavior on the part of the United States, by which I mean violent actions toward him, designed to end his life, and it’s just a way to ensure that nobody feels incentivized to do that.”

He declined to provide any more details about the pact or how it would work.

94 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:02:12pm

re: #91 wrenchwench

And teasing a Cuban with Mexican slurs is a GREAT way to appeal to ALL Latinos!

Latinos, Asians, all the same to these morons.

95 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:02:23pm

re: #88 wrenchwench

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Blow kisses softly and carry a big stick cardboard tube.

Photoshop opportunities!

96 Kragar  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:02:53pm

re: #89 Eclectic Cyborg

You thinking drug related?

They said none were found.

97 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:03:25pm

re: #67 Pie-onist Overlord

Retweet if this statement makes you want to pound your head on the desk.

98 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:05:47pm

More snow for me.
Wheee!!!!!

99 Kragar  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:06:35pm

re: #89 Eclectic Cyborg

You thinking drug related?

Investigators did not immediately suspect foul play, but an autopsy was scheduled to determine a cause of death.

Brockie - who, according to band manager Jack Flanagan, was found by a band member - died sitting upright in a chair, law enforcement sources told TMZ. The sources added that investigators did not find any drugs inside the home.

100 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:06:36pm

re: #64 darthstar

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No, I think he told a bald-faced lie, attempting to elevate Snowden and it backfired.

We’re to believe that some random jerk like Snowden is able to outwit the best encryption experts in the world, the best cryptographers and computer security people?

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101 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:07:02pm

HURR HURR!!!! ONLY HOBBY LOBBY HAS TEH RIGHTS TO TEH RELIGIOUS FREEDOMS!!!!! ALL U WOMENS WHO WORKS AT TEH HOBBY LOBBY U HAVE NO RIGHTS TO UR OWN RELIGIOUS FREEDOMS!!!!!!!

102 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:07:54pm
103 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:07:55pm

re: #100 Justanotherhuman

No, I think he told a bald-faced lie, attempting to elevate Snowden and it backfired.

We’re to believe that some random jerk like Snowden is able to outwit the best encryption experts in the world, the best cryptographers and computer security people?

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Could be. In either case either Snowden is the worst villain in American history or Greenwald is the biggest liar in history. Win-win.

104 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:08:50pm

Whoa. First before-and-after photos I’ve seen of the landslide in Washington.

105 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:09:43pm

re: #104 wrenchwench

Whoa. First before-and-after photos I’ve seen of the landslide in Washington.

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Whoa, we need a better word to describe that

106 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:10:13pm

No G-8. No Putin. Only the G-7. Putin has the sads.

107 jamjam  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:10:42pm

re: #55 Snarknado!

Thanks guys, much appreciated.

Well, what took me so long was, I was studying for a degree, then doing research, and it didn’t allow much free time - I was in the lab all day every day. I’m a chemist, but wasn’t very good at drug-discovery, so 2013 was unfortunately, a bit of a lost year. I worked in a gov’t lab, and we found out some cool stuff about making PET diagnostic tools for certain diseases of the brain, but it wasn’t enough for publication. Before that I worked in a lab at Uni, doing pure synthetic chemistry/organic chemistry (trying to increase the yields of a very weird looking reaction byproduct). Before that, I tried my hand at bionics and polymer chemistry, with another team, trying to develop an interface between cells, and conducting polymers. If it worked, we might have had a way of stimulating individual cells with electrical impulses.

But it didn’t work well. Just like in the other two projects, we got some unique and interesting results, but not really enough for publication and nothing groundbreaking.

Now I’m back at Uni doing a Master’s degree that is part chemical education, part cheminformatics, which I got a taste for last year, while using computer simulations of drug dynamics/kinetics.

The project is mostly software development, for the first part, and since I can do that at home, I’m not confined to the lab at all :) So I can take time off and not only read LGF, but post as well :) Looking forward to this year actually … I hope I don’t procrastinate too much, but if I do, what better place to do it than here?

108 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:10:56pm

Oy.

109 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:11:23pm

re: #66 jamjam

Thanks so much for the words of support. It took quite a bit of determined work to reach this spot, and I’m glad to hear that it’s paying off.

110 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:11:27pm

re: #101 Pie-onist Overlord

My favorite writing of St. Paul’s is his letter to the Christians at Antioch, chapter 6, verses 2-8, where he condemns the use of teh birth control pillz.

111 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:11:55pm
112 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:13:01pm

I haven’t done crafts in years, but if I ever start doing crafts again, I will buy all my supplies from MICHAELS. Or online.

113 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:13:04pm

re: #105 Varek Raith

Whoa, we need a better word to describe that

The number of names of those who may unaccounted for that has been collected by emergency responders is now at 108 following Saturday’s landslide near Oso. The number of dead is still confirmed at eight. The number of land parcels possibly affected by the slide is at least 112 of which at least 49 had some form of structure, which could include homes.

The North Fork of the Stillaguamish River is continuing to back up and it is confirmed that at least seven homes are now flooded and more flooding is expected. Water from the river is trickling through the slide and the creation of a new river channel has been observed. Crews have been posted at five downstream bridges to watch the river for debris.

[…]

114 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:14:02pm

Over 100…
Shit.

115 Kragar  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:15:09pm
116 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:15:24pm

re: #114 Varek Raith

Over 100…
Shit.

It rains up there all. the. time. But seemingly at random, suddenly it was too much. Yikes.

117 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:15:48pm
118 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:16:18pm

Remember when all the very religious GOP teabags demanded that credit card companies abide by a maximum interest rate cap because the Bible condemns usury? Yeah me neither.

119 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:16:55pm

re: #110 Bulworth

My favorite writing of St. Paul’s is his letter to the Christians at Antioch, chapter 6, verses 2-8, where he condemns the use of teh birth control pillz.

Not surprising. Antioch is a known collection place for activists and radicals.

;)
en.wikipedia.org

120 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:17:42pm
121 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:18:54pm

re: #120 Gus

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So…600 feet tall?
Yeesh.

122 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:19:28pm

Though the potential number of missing people has now reached triple digits, that is likely to change as more information becomes available, said John Pennington, who heads Snohomish County’s Department of Emergency Management.Some reports have been detailed, others have only give a first name of someone they think might live in the area.

“It is a soft 108,” Pennington said, adding that he expects that number to “decline dramatically” as more information becomes available.

Officials are building a database of those names to work from.

123 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:20:05pm
124 Kragar  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:20:49pm

ICYMI:

125 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:21:38pm
126 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:21:52pm

re: #121 Varek Raith

So…600 feet tall?
Yeesh.

Rather huge slide.

127 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:24:11pm

Report: G7 leaders at The Hague agree to hold own summit in Brussels in June instead of attending G8 with Russia in Sochi, French diplomatic source tells @Reuters

end of alert

129 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:28:47pm
130 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:32:51pm
131 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:33:23pm

re: #129 Gus

There’s an accompanying article to the photo gallery on the local geology. Lots of glacial till which is not stable when it gets saturated by rain. And there was a smaller slide in the same location back in 2006 that also blocked the river temporarily.

132 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:38:17pm
133 Kragar  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:39:54pm
134 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:40:28pm

re: #131 Feline Fearless Leader

The part about the 2006 landslide caught my attention in the graphic above, plus the additional information on the WA site. Definitely unstable ground, and there will be questions about how/what kind of development was allowed downslope knowing that the area was prone to slides.

None of that will be a comfort to the families still searching for loved ones, but it will eventually have to be addressed by the local governments and property owners.

Moreover, if you look at Google maps of the area, you see that other nearby slopes have areas that look like they’ve suffered slides as well - lacking tree cover and other signs of slide activity (though not nearly as recent).

google.com

135 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:43:25pm

From the 90-photo gallery.

136 Kragar  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:44:47pm

Mika Brzezinski Shuts Down Joe Scarborough

Youtube Video

137 ObserverArt  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:46:47pm

re: #112 Pie-onist Overlord

I haven’t done crafts in years, but if I ever start doing crafts again, I will buy all my supplies from MICHAELS. Or online.

You need to put that in an email and send it off to Hobby Lobby.

138 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:47:30pm

re: #135 wrenchwench

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From the 90-photo gallery.

There is an aggregate quarry near where my brother lives that looks amazingly like that. And it’s essentially digging into a 12,000 year-old glacial moraine.

139 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:47:54pm

re: #134 lawhawk

The part about the 2006 landslide caught my attention in the graphic above, plus the additional information on the WA site. Definitely unstable ground, and there will be questions about how/what kind of development was allowed downslope knowing that the area was prone to slides.

None of that will be a comfort to the families still searching for loved ones, but it will eventually have to be addressed by the local governments and property owners.

Smaller government! Don’t tell me what I can do with my own property!!!!11!!!

140 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:48:03pm

Three people who can never go home again: Edward Snowden, Laura Poitras and Glenn Greenwald. It takes a very cold, unfeeling person to go to the lengths they did to become the pariahs so many deem them. Is being a foolish thief and facilitator, if not traitor, really someone to be admired just because they have the means to sensationalize what they did?

I would plead to anyone out there who has copies of those stolen documents to come clean and turn them back over to the proper US authorities, even anonymously. If you think you can keep them safely in your own possession, you’re mistaken. At this point, you have committed yourself to the same people that Edward Snowden has committed himself to, perhaps unwittingly, perhaps not so much. A lot has already been printed and disseminated, revealing more than anyone needs to know about how certain programs in the US function, both domestically and abroad. By these revelations, you’ve opened the door to your own danger and have not done the country any service, while at the same time you would have no compunction in asking your country to protect you from danger—the same country you condemn.

141 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:49:38pm

So has CNN postulated the flight 370 might be under the landslide yet?
//

142 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:49:51pm

Daniel Ellsberg did not turn over the Pentagon Papers to the Soviet Union, nor did he defect to them, nor did he expose our intelligence networks in southeast Asia and endanger our agents for the benefit of the North Vietnamese. He had it within his power to do all these things, yet he stayed here and faced the court.

143 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:50:39pm

re: #136 Kragar

Meanwhile, Daily Beast cites CNN in claiming that the pilots were trying to save the plane, not kill everyone.

The evidence? Supposition and speculation based on… unnamed and unverified sources.

This is what passes as news?

At SNN, well, it does. Speculative News Nitwits. All speculation all the time.

144 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:52:06pm

re: #138 Feline Fearless Leader

There is an aggregate quarry near where my brother lives that looks amazingly like that. And it’s essentially digging into a 12,000 year-old glacial moraine.

I used to live in Everett, WA. The land in that area (the whole Pacific NW, I guess) is still rising from the glaciers’ retreat.

145 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:52:54pm

re: #115 Kragar

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I caught GWAR live a couple of years ago at SO36 in Berlin.

Great show. RIP, Dave Brockie.

146 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:53:54pm

re: #108 Gus

Oy.

Business Insider taps Anthony Weiner for political column

Will it be illustrated?

147 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:56:03pm
148 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:57:24pm

Why the feck am I looking at some ad with what appears to be maggots? Not here but recently at other sites. WTF is wrong with people?

149 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:57:54pm

re: #142 Shiplord Kirel

Daniel Ellsberg did not turn over the Pentagon Papers to the Soviet Union, nor did he defect to them, nor did he expose our intelligence networks in southeast Asia and endanger our agents for the benefit of the North Vietnamese. He had it within his power to do all these things, yet he stayed here and faced the court.

Snowden𢘎llsberg. Never was. As the evidence piles up, the more dissimilar they are.

It doesn’t matter what Ellsberg says about Snowden; Ellsberg didn’t reveal means and methods of the NSA, CIA, or other US intel agencies, and didn’t go to a foreign country with the information. He took papers prepared by RAND that showed how the US couldn’t win in Vietnam, and made those public. He took a study prepared for the DoD - a classified document to be sure, but not one that gave away tactics and methods.

That’s a whole world of difference from what Snowden did. Not even same universe.

150 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:58:14pm

re: #144 wrenchwench

I used to live in Everett, WA. The land in that area (the whole Pacific NW, I guess) is still rising from the glaciers’ retreat.

Lots of material moved around by them. Plus dams and rivers cutting new channels. Here’s the wikipedia link for a short article on the Genessee River valley changes due to glaciers. Spectacular river valley (Letchworth State Park) as a result. Further south in Pennsylvania the Pine Creek Valley resulted from a glacial damming as well near Tioga.

en.wikipedia.org

151 ObserverArt  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:58:32pm

re: #136 Kragar

Mika Brzezinski Shuts Down Joe Scarborough

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I wish she’d give him a swift kick in the ‘nads. Joke is such an ass. How the hell did he ever get a TV show? Hopefully this is an indication that it is going down and out.

152 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 12:59:40pm

re: #151 ObserverArt

I wish she’d give him a swift kick in the ‘nads. Joke is such an ass. How the hell did he ever get a TV show? Hopefully this is an indication that it is going down and out.

Setting up Survivor: Conservative Radio? My odds would be on Glenn Beck winning that.

153 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:00:25pm

Family of the victims issue a pretty harsh statement…

154 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:02:33pm

Nothing new.

155 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:02:48pm

healthcare.gov is the toughest RPG of the year, and I just won a game at Monarch Level.

156 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:03:35pm

re: #155 Decatur Deb

healthcare.gov is the toughest RPG of the year, and I just won a game at Monarch Level.

Signed up a king?

157 palmerskiss  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:03:39pm

hiya guys, sorry for the off-topic:

anyone here disagree with this statement:

‘the American Thinker’ is less reason.com than it is a newsmax/wnd

158 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:04:50pm

This guy, Patrick Chovanec, gives GG a run for his money about the release of the China info. He was a biz prof in Beijing and knows a thing or 6 about China, I would think, unlike Greenwald, who he schools pretty well in this series of back and forths.

159 palmerskiss  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:04:58pm

obdicut, if you are around - is it ok to paraphrase/and or quote some of your personal experiences in this article: littlegreenfootballs.com

160 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:06:20pm

re: #157 palmerskiss

hiya guys, sorry for the off-topic:

anyone here disagree with this statement:

‘the American Thinker’ is less reason.com than it is a newsmax/wnd

I’d agree that AT is like WND, but I’m not too keen on the dudebro outlet at Reason either. Different flavor of nut.

161 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:06:50pm

re: #156 wrenchwench

Signed up a king?

Untangled the tax collector and gave some villagers a choice.

162 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:07:14pm

re: #154 Gus

Nothing new.

Did you hear the old guy start swearing at the end?

163 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:07:43pm

re: #161 Decatur Deb

Untangled the tax collector and gave some villagers a choice.

My hero!

164 palmerskiss  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:07:47pm

re: #160 wrenchwench

I’d agree that AT is like WND, but I’m not too keen on the dudebro outlet at Reason either. Different flavor of nut.

no doubt… but at least reason attempts to be somewhat intellectually driven and sourced… AT just comes across as trying to hard, and instead failing back into wignutistan and reverting to type…

thank you :)

165 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:07:49pm

re: #162 wrenchwench

Did you hear the old guy start swearing at the end?

Yep. Sounded like a hobo.

166 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:08:54pm
167 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:13:04pm
168 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:13:16pm
169 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:13:24pm
170 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:14:17pm

Well, this is good news.

EU Denies Dumping LGBT Provision From Ukraine Anti-Discrimination Law

An EU official denies comments made by Ukraine’s acting justice minister.

buzzfeed.com

KIEV, Ukraine — The European Union denies that it has dropped a provision on LGBT rights from a law Ukraine needs to pass to continue visa negotiations with the bloc, despite the acting justice minister’s comments to the contrary.

“David Stulik, spokesman for the European Commission delegation to Kiev, told BuzzFeed Monday that the EU had not dropped “sexual minorities” language, a term used by Kiev, from its demands on Ukraine’s anti-discrimination law.

“Acting Justice Minister Pavlo Petrenko said in parliament earlier Monday that Ukraine and the EU had “found an understanding” and dropped the demand, in comments carried by the Interfax-Ukraine news agency. Petrenko did not return several calls.” More

I think Petrenko has some ‘splainin’ to do.

171 Internet Tough Guy  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:14:33pm

JEWS DID SYRIA
/RT

172 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:15:51pm
173 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:16:27pm
174 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:17:29pm

re: #163 wrenchwench

So, today was a good day. I got a free bicycle.

They were cleaning out the downstairs neighbor’s apartment - he died a couple of months ago - and they were throwing out everything, including a late 1970 Favorit men’s 10-speed city bike. So I asked if they were just going to throw it out, and they said, “If you want it, it’s yours” so naturally, I grabbed it.

It’s in good shape overall; it needs a new front tire/tube, and I’ll change the handlebar - it’s the curved type, and to be honest, I really don’t like those; I far prefer the more traditional handlebar arrangement. It’s got the original leather seat, but that’s pretty beat so I’ll see if I can find a new one. It also needs a kickstand. The chain is like new, but no chainguard, so I’ll have to see if I can rustle one up somewhere. Brakes are good, with fairly unused brake pads (caliper brakes).

Mostly it was just neglected - it had been sitting outside on his balcony.

I also got a nice hotplate out of it as well. So, not a bad day.

175 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:21:17pm

Retweeted by George Galloway

176 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:27:32pm

Have the CNN “expert commentators” reported yet that one of our rovers has found MH-370 on Mars?

177 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:30:36pm

re: #175 NJDhockeyfan

Retweeted by George Galloway

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And that’s Obama’s father in the middle background, with Saul Alinsky on the far left (naturally)!

178 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:31:42pm

re: #175 NJDhockeyfan

Retweeted by George Galloway

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Down with militarism! Oops.

179 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:33:33pm

re: #11 Kragar

Have you ever seen the turn out at an Oath keepers rally? Pond Scum comes to mind

Their only vantage is that it would take a hell of a long time to starve them out.

180 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:35:36pm

re: #179 Shiplord Kirel

Their only vantage is that it would take a hell of a long time to starve them out.

But if you bait a trap with Bud Light Lime they will come like flies to a bug-zapper.

181 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:37:42pm
182 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:39:43pm

Russia kicked out of G8.

183 danarchy  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:40:40pm

re: #182 Varek Raith

Russia kicked out of G8.

Now if they really wanted to stick it to Putin they would invite Ukraine…

184 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:42:36pm

Got a promoted tweet from Sportsman Channel promoting half governor Palin’s show with her holding a gunz.

Are you effin kiddin me?

Blocked.

185 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:43:13pm

re: #182 Varek Raith

Don’t let the door knob hit you on the way out….

186 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:44:35pm

re: #181 Varek Raith

At least 59 people dead in Guinea Ebola outbreak

Ebola is some scary shit.

That scares me more that nuclear missiles. Years ago there were reports that terrorists were planning on getting a few fellow jihadists infected then immediately have them board flights to fly around the world spreading the virus in airports.

187 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:47:02pm

re: #186 NJDhockeyfan

That scares me more that nuclear missiles. Years ago there were reports that terrorists were planning on getting a few fellow jihadists infected then immediately have them board flights to fly around the world spreading the virus in airports.

en.wikipedia.org

188 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:47:31pm

re: #187 Varek Raith

en.wikipedia.org

Over the next week, the full scale of Aum’s activities was revealed for the first time. At the cult’s headquarters in Kamikuishiki on the foot of Mount Fuji, police found explosives, chemical weapons and biological warfare agents, such as anthrax and Ebola cultures, and a Russian Mil Mi-17 military helicopter. The Ebola virus had been delivered from Zaire in 1994.

189 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:48:59pm

This has been an experiment in trolling the trolls.

Searcy responded to my tweet within minutes, and immediately a herd of morons started tweeting insults at me.

190 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:49:43pm

Heh

191 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:50:14pm

re: #190 NJDhockeyfan

Heh

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Iconians.

192 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:51:52pm

re: #189 Charles Johnson

This has been an experiment in trolling the trolls.

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Searcy responded to my tweet within minutes, and immediately a herd of morons started tweeting insults at me.

193 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:52:12pm
194 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:52:40pm

re: #193 Gus

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WTF.

195 Kragar  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:54:18pm

re: #189 Charles Johnson

Image: ijqO0E.gif

196 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:54:44pm

re: #189 Charles Johnson

This has been an experiment in trolling the trolls.

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Searcy responded to my tweet within minutes, and immediately a herd of morons started tweeting insults at me.

aha! so that’s what Heywood is up to these days…

197 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:57:50pm

re: #189 Charles Johnson

This has been an experiment in trolling the trolls.

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Searcy responded to my tweet within minutes, and immediately a herd of morons started tweeting insults at me.

198 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:58:24pm

I have a Peabody Award! LOL. He must repeat that every day.

199 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:58:34pm

re: #197 Gus

Heh, such a whiny little shit.

200 dog philosopher  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:59:00pm

re: #189 Charles Johnson

This has been an experiment in trolling the trolls

i thought electioneering wasn’t allowed near trolling places

201 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:59:06pm
202 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:59:08pm

I won the science fair in 4th grade.
Bam!

203 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:59:18pm
204 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 1:59:59pm

The MH-370/Diego Garcia conspiracy theory is gaining some traction among the usual suspects. This is a perfect example of conspira-liars exploiting a yawning gap in public knowledge (something we see a lot from the fake Moon landing idiots). Specifically, this theory is credible only to those who do not know, or even suspect, that Russian and other reconnaissance satellites make several passes a day over DG. It is, or should be, common knowledge that the island is constantly under other types of foreign surveillance as well.
A 777 there would be spotted instantly.

205 jaunte  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:00:58pm

re: #201 Gus

What an ass.

206 jaunte  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:01:44pm

Hot Peabody wife award, dammit!

207 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:01:45pm

re: #205 jaunte

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What an ass.

He’s livin’ the dream.

208 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:02:14pm

re: #205 jaunte

Heh, contradiction in a single tweet!

209 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:02:18pm

re: #205 jaunte

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What an ass.

I have a Peabody Award! Your argument is invalid! LOL.

210 palmerskiss  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:04:05pm

re: #209 Gus

I have a Peabody Award! Your argument is invalid! LOL.

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Peabody award - never has an award been so well named - but i think they should have gone the full monty and called it “the peacock award”

211 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:04:39pm

re: #203 NJDhockeyfan

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Interesting context to why he thinks Obama hasn’t called him for advice….

“I think the problem was that - in dealing with the issue of peace in between Israel and Egypt - the Carter Center has taken a very strong and public position of equal treatment between the Palestinians and the Israelis,” he said

“And I think this was a sensitive area in which the President didn’t want to be involved.”

I don’t think he knows what that word means.

212 Kragar  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:04:42pm

Nick Searcy upon winning his Peabody

Youtube Video

213 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:05:02pm

re: #203 NJDhockeyfan
Yeah, federal snoops wouldn’t dare mess around with the Post Office.
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214 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:05:37pm

re: #204 Shiplord Kirel

The MH-370/Diego Garcia conspiracy theory is gaining some traction among the usual suspects. This is a perfect example of conspira-liars exploiting a yawning gap in public knowledge (something we see a lot from the fake Moon landing idiots). Specifically, this theory is credible only to those who do not know, or even suspect, that Russian and other reconnaissance satellites make several passes a day over DG. It is, or should be, common knowledge that the island is constantly under other types of foreign surveillance as well.
A 777 there would be spotted instantly.

The US govt is hiding it in the same hanger that they filmed the moon landing!

215 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:07:49pm

re: #211 Killgore Trout

I don’t think he knows what that word means.

When in doubt, blame the juice!

216 chadu  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:09:46pm

re: #8 Pie-onist Overlord

ACUTALLY BOTH THESE PHOTOS ARE THE SAME GUYS.

#MolonLabe

Aside about “molon labe” :
en.wikipedia.org

Molon labe (Greek: μολὼν λαβέ molṑn labé; Ancient Greek: [molɔːn labé]; Modern Greek: [moˈlon laˈve]), lit. “come and take”, is a classical expression of defiance reportedly spoken by King Leonidas I in response to the Persian army’s demand that the Spartans surrender their weapons at the Battle of Thermopylae. It is an exemplary use of a laconic phrase.

Is it just me, or does this RWNJ-appropriated slogan essentially argue for “Might makes Right”?

The speaker is taking the gamble that the entity coming to take whatever cannot do it, and that’s okay.

However, the other side of the gamble is that the entity could be strong/smart/lucky/sneaky/rich enough to do so. Are spouters of the phrase okay with the result in that case?

Also, pro-tip: Leonidas and the 300 died at Thermopylae, IIRC, and it was only a naval battle and a strategic withdrawal by the Persians that eventually led to the invasion being defeated.

217 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:09:50pm

re: #186 NJDhockeyfan

That scares me more that nuclear missiles. Years ago there were reports that terrorists were planning on getting a few fellow jihadists infected then immediately have them board flights to fly around the world spreading the virus in airports.

Last I checked, Ebola’s only really virulent during the “bleeding out of every orifice” stage, which would be sort of hard to hide. And by that point you’re so bedridden that getting on a plane without tipping off the TSA guys would be kinda hard. Any such outbreak would be pretty easy to isolate.

218 jaunte  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:11:11pm

re: #216 chadu

Well, you’re thinking past the defiance part. That’s too advanced.

219 Kragar  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:11:22pm

re: #216 chadu

“Molon Labe” is libertarian for “I’m with stupid.”

220 chadu  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:12:16pm

re: #34 wrenchwench

To say the least.

With a lovely image also. /

C’mon: we all know the original M was Walsingham. (Flip the W.)

221 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:12:55pm

re: #216 chadu

Aside about “molon labe” :
en.wikipedia.org

Is it just me, or does this RWNJ-appropriated slogan essentially argue for “Might makes Right”?

The speaker is taking the gamble that the entity coming to take whatever cannot do it, and that’s okay.

However, the other side of the gamble is that the entity >could be strong/smart/lucky/sneaky/rich enough to do so. Are spouters of the phrase okay with the result in that case?

Also, pro-tip: Leonidas and the 300 died at Thermopylae, IIRC, and it was only a naval battle and a strategic withdrawal by the Persians that eventually led to the invasion being defeated.

But they died like men!! In scarlet capes and leather loincloths, with rippling abs and drenched in sweat!! Just like us in the Tea Party!!

222 chadu  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:14:01pm

Oh, and hi, all. Had a weekend. About to have an evening.

BBL, just wanted to get my molon labe snark, ‘cause I saw a bumper sticker.

Bumper stickers are the road version of below the fold of the editorial page or the comments on a webpage.

223 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:14:24pm

re: #219 Kragar

“Molon Labe” is libertarian for “I’m with stupid.”

Molon Labia!

224 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:15:24pm

re: #221 Dr Lizardo

Forgot something….

Just like Leonidas!!

225 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:16:50pm

re: #224 Dr Lizardo

Forgot something….

Just like Leonidas!!

No thank you, don’t think I’ll be needing to rent her anytime soon. (noting what it says on the scooter, there).

226 jaunte  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:17:27pm

re: #224 Dr Lizardo

“Molon Hoveround”

227 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:18:06pm

Ahem.

228 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:18:36pm

Place: 1600 block of Pennsylvania Avenue
Time: Near future

Tank commander: Listen up, you fat fools. You cannot take over the White House and appoint Alex Jones President of the United States. You’re all under arrest! Surrender your weapons!

‘Baggers: MOLON LABE!

Tanker: Okay, your call. (into radio) LET’S ROLL!

229 Gus  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:20:03pm

re: #224 Dr Lizardo

Forgot something….

Just like Leonidas!!

Yes, because only Glenn Beck supporters are overweight, disabled, and on scooters.

230 EPR-radar  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:20:15pm

re: #217 Targetpractice

Last I checked, Ebola’s only really virulent during the “bleeding out of every orifice” stage, which would be sort of hard to hide. And by that point you’re so bedridden that getting on a plane without tipping off the TSA guys would be kinda hard. Any such outbreak would be pretty easy to isolate.

Even if some nut deliberately managed to get on a plane in that state, it’s not like everyone breathing the air in that plane would become infected. Airborne transmission pretty much doesn’t happen with Ebola virus in nature.

231 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:20:31pm

re: #228 Shiplord Kirel

Place: 1600 block of Pennsylvania Avenue
Time: Near future

Tank commander: Listen up, you fat fools. You cannot take over the White House and appoint Alex Jones President of the United States. You’re all under arrest! Surrender your weapons!

‘Baggers: MOLON LABE!

Tanker: Okay, your call. (into radio) LET’S ROLL!

“Look out! That one’s got a cane! He’s waving it in a threatening manner!”

232 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:20:44pm

re: #217 Targetpractice

Last I checked, Ebola’s only really virulent during the “bleeding out of every orifice” stage, which would be sort of hard to hide. And by that point you’re so bedridden that getting on a plane without tipping off the TSA guys would be kinda hard. Any such outbreak would be pretty easy to isolate.

The story I saw said it takes a few days for the virus to start being physically active so they would have a chance to get into airports and expose hundreds of people as they are changing planes.

233 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:22:11pm

re: #212 Kragar

Methinks Mr Searcy has been caught playing with his “Peabody” a few times.

234 EPR-radar  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:22:14pm

re: #229 Gus

Yes, because only Glenn Beck supporters are overweight, disabled, and on scooters.

If Rush Limbaugh looked like Brad Pitt in Thelma and Louise, that would make such a large difference in my opinion of Limbaugh’s views.

/// to infinity and beyond

235 EPR-radar  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:24:14pm

re: #232 NJDhockeyfan

The story I saw said it takes a few days for the virus to start being physically active so they would have a chance to get into airports and expose hundreds of people as they are changing planes.

To put it crudely, Ebola basically spreads by splash damage (i.e., direct contact with infected body fluids).

An ambulatory Ebola patient in an airport really isn’t a large scale threat (no airborne transmission).

236 dog philosopher  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:26:56pm

no comment

“Today, it has been reported that British state-run hospitals, under the direction of the National Health Service, incinerated dead children lost in abortions and miscarriages in order to heat hospitals.”

conservativebeaconusa.blogspot.com

237 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:27:03pm

re: #235 EPR-radar

To put it crudely, Ebola basically spreads by splash damage (i.e., direct contact with infected body fluids).

An ambulatory Ebola patient in an airport really isn’t a large scale threat (no airborne transmission).

Exactly. It has been shown to be transmittable in aerosol form, but you pretty much have to be coughing in another person’s face for that happen. In all outbreaks so far, the transmission of the virus has generally been due to handling the body for medical care and preparing the deceased for burial.

238 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:27:25pm

re: #235 EPR-radar

To put it crudely, Ebola basically spreads by splash damage (i.e., direct contact with infected body fluids).

An ambulatory Ebola patient in an airport really isn’t a large scale threat (no airborne transmission).

Sneezing, spitting, or bleeding on people is possible. I know it doesn’t spread like the common cold but I won’t underestimate how far those terrorists will go to do something like that.

239 thedopefishlives  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:27:27pm

Afternoon/Evening Lizardim from the kinda-sorta-not-sure-if-it’s-going-to-snow wild north country. We’re having periodic flurries and it appears to have some of the natives spooked; either that, or they’re all on Spring Break, because I flew home in relative ease today. How go things among the lizardfolk?

240 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:27:43pm

re: #236 dog philosopher

no comment

“Today, it has been reported that British state-run hospitals, under the direction of the National Health Service, incinerated dead children lost in abortions and miscarriages in order to heat hospitals.”

conservativebeaconusa.blogspot.com

I assume that’s the source of all the “dead baby fuel” BS that’s been hitting the wingnut Twitter streams lately.

241 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:31:30pm

*pokes thread with a stick*

242 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:31:44pm

re: #239 thedopefishlives

Supposed to snow here in the backwoods tonight, tomorrow and tomorrow night, but total accumulation is forecast to be probably less than an inch.
Of course, historically that tends to mean all winter hell breaks loose…

243 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:31:51pm

re: #229 Gus

Yes, because only Glenn Beck supporters are overweight, disabled, and on scooters.

You gotta watch out….they could run over one of your shoes on purpose!

244 thedopefishlives  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:32:42pm

re: #242 Backwoods_Sleuth

Supposed to snow here in the backwoods tonight, tomorrow and tomorrow night, but total accumulation is forecast to be probably less than an inch.
Of course, historically that tends to mean all winter hell breaks loose…

Yep. I haven’t drained the fuel out of the snowblower just yet.

245 dog philosopher  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:32:59pm

re: #240 Targetpractice

I assume that’s the source of all the “dead baby fuel” BS that’s been hitting the wingnut Twitter streams lately.

following the links leads to here:

telegraph.co.uk

“Ten NHS trusts have admitted burning foetal remains alongside other rubbish while two others used the bodies in ‘waste-to-energy’ plants which generate power for heat.

Last night the Department of Health issued an instant ban on the practice which health minister Dr Dan Poulter branded ‘totally unacceptable.’ “

246 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:34:07pm

re: #240 Targetpractice

I assume that’s the source of all the “dead baby fuel” BS that’s been hitting the wingnut Twitter streams lately.

We have targeted the tea party patriots because our FEMA scientists report that profitable quantities of jet fuel could be rendered from them once they are brought under control in our new camps. Results were less much less favorable when scrawny moonbats were experimentally processed.

247 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:34:20pm

re: #245 dog philosopher

following the links leads to here:

telegraph.co.uk

“Ten NHS trusts have admitted burning foetal remains alongside other rubbish while two others used the bodies in ‘waste-to-energy’ plants which generate power for heat.

Last night the Department of Health issued an instant ban on the practice which health minister Dr Dan Poulter branded ‘totally unacceptable.’ “

How morbid and sick.

248 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:36:41pm
249 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:37:51pm

another view of the landslide

250 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:38:15pm

re: #216 chadu

Actually all the RWNJ have been imprisoned in FEMA death panel trailer camps and Obummer already has all their gunz and Bibles. Because tyrant.

251 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:38:32pm

re: #8 Pie-onist Overlord

ACUTALLY BOTH THESE PHOTOS ARE THE SAME GUYS.

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Again the ‘conservatives’ display their utter ignorance of their opponents.

If you know your enemy and know yourself you shall win all your battles. If you know yourself you will only half your battles. If you know neigh yourself nor your opponent you will never be victorious.

Sun Tzu

So these dipshits will have to style for a least a fifty per cent loss ratio, and since they’re completely bereft of self knowledge they will lose the war they want so badly.

I will again point out how similar they are to their philosophical ancestors in the Axis before and during WWII.

252 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:38:34pm

re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth

another view of the landslide

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look at that lake that is forming.
wow.

253 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:40:28pm

re: #245 dog philosopher

following the links leads to here:

telegraph.co.uk

“Ten NHS trusts have admitted burning foetal remains alongside other rubbish while two others used the bodies in ‘waste-to-energy’ plants which generate power for heat.

Last night the Department of Health issued an instant ban on the practice which health minister Dr Dan Poulter branded ‘totally unacceptable.’ “

I have to admit, I’m a bit ambivalent on this. On the one hand, if the wishes of the patients was that the remains be cremated, then that seems like what was done and the hospitals utilizing the heat energy constructively makes sense. On the other, if that was not their wishes then I can understand the outrage.

254 Aqua Obama  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:44:11pm
255 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:46:12pm

re: #42 jamjam

My own thoughts on the matter I managed to compress to a single sentence: Ideology is not about being good but about being right.

256 dog philosopher  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:48:03pm

If there is ever a civil war between #conservatives and #liberals

conservatives will show up prepared to fight imaginary “liberals”

257 thedopefishlives  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:48:07pm

re: #254 Aqua Obama

Algeria’s Bouteflika offers ‘democracy’ if re-elected

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

258 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:48:43pm

re: #253 Targetpractice

I have to admit, I’m a bit ambivalent on this. On the one hand, if the wishes of the patients was that the remains be cremated, then that seems like what was done and the hospitals utilizing the heat energy constructively makes sense. On the other, if that was not their wishes then I can understand the outrage.

Uh, cremated bodies are burned into ashes respectfully, not thrown in the furnace especially in hospitals. Would you throw your dead cat or dog in the fireplace for heat?

259 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:49:32pm

re: #67 Pie-onist Overlord

*headdesk*

I stand with Hobby Lobby for religious freedom power.

FTFY, Ted.

260 Dr. Matt  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:50:06pm

If Russia invading a country is classified as a “World War”, shouldn’t we be on like WWVII by now?

261 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:50:27pm

re: #257 thedopefishlives

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Youtube Video

262 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 2:52:54pm

re: #258 NJDhockeyfan

Uh, cremated bodies are burned into ashes respectfully, not thrown in the furnace especially in hospitals. Would you throw your dead cat or dog in the fireplace for heat?

“Respectfully”? They’re rolled into an industrial furnace and cooked at extremely high temp until even the bones are reduced to powder.

263 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:03:19pm

re: #258 NJDhockeyfan

Uh, cremated bodies are burned into ashes respectfully, not thrown in the furnace especially in hospitals. Would you throw your dead cat or dog in the fireplace for heat?

Is it the utilitarian aspect of this that concerns you, like were on the slippery slope to the Matrix and turning people in to batteries? Fetal waste from abortions often just looks like a blood clot, especially in first world countries with easy access to early reproductive care. Hospitals are already set up to dispose of the placenta, umbilical cord tissue, foreskins, and all the rest of the biological waste their operations generate so I’m not sure what makes a fetus intrinsically different except for a political need to make persons out of non-persons.

264 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:06:06pm

re: #263 goddamnedfrank

And not all “fetal remains” are from abortions. Most are very early term miscarriages that are unrecognizable from the rest of the tissues.

265 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:08:10pm

re: #263 goddamnedfrank

Is it the utilitarian aspect of this that concerns you, like were on the slippery slope to the Matrix and turning people in to batteries? Fetal waste from abortions often just looks like a blood clot, especially in first world countries with easy access to early reproductive care. Hospitals are already set up to dispose of the placenta, umbilical cord tissue, foreskins, and all the rest of the biological waste their operations generate so I’m not sure what makes a fetus intrinsically different except for a political need to make persons out of non-persons.

I don’t know… After reading that all I can picture is a nurse grabbing a pile of little arms, legs, and heads and throwing them into a furnace to help keep the temps up in the hospital. It’s like an old black and white horror flick.

266 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:09:09pm

re: #265 NJDhockeyfan

I don’t know… After reading that all I can picture is a nurse grabbing a pile of little arms, legs, and heads and throwing them into a furnace to help keep the temps up in the hospital. It’s like an old black and white horror flick.

I very much doubt that is the case.

267 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:09:17pm

re: #265 NJDhockeyfan

I don’t know… After reading that all I can picture is a nurse grabbing a pile of little arms, legs, and heads and throwing them into a furnace to help keep the temps up in the hospital. It’s like an old black and white horror flick.

I really think that was the image they wanted you to conjure, when the reality is nowhere close to that.

268 jamjam  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:09:35pm

re: #109 Charles Johnson

Thanks so much for the words of support. It took quite a bit of determined work to reach this spot, and I’m glad to hear that it’s paying off.

No worries Charles, and yep, I can only imagine the amount if work it must have taken to get here.

I do know a bit if the history of LGF though, and I think the history helps explain why it is such a great site. The way it seems to me, as a reader, is that you have been honest and open with your views, and that when those views changed, when your perspective shifted, you were able to explain clearly and cogently why. I remember reading your post on why you changed your views re: global warming, with great admiration, and I had the same feeling when I read the well known ‘why I parted ways with the right’. You did not hide your changes, or minimise them: you did the opposite, you posted them for all to read.

How many other political blogs, let alone authors, would do that? I can’t think of one, on any side of politics, particularly not one with so much to lose. I might be wrong, but I think that LGF could have increased its traffic and readership far beyond any of the current conservative weblogs, if Charles had chosen to ignore the craziness and hypocrisy of the right from early in Obama’s term to now. Consolidating this mass of readers would have probably made Charles handsome profits and given him a platform to which conservatives would have listened. I imagine politicians would have wanted to post guest posts, or at least to get access to the readership to use as donors. So it is mot far fetched to think that Charles could have gained significant material benefits, had he ignored his conscience, and ignored the increasingly disturbing behaviour of the right.

But instead, he used the platform to challenge his readers and conservatives worldwide. He showed them that they were doing the same as the far left had done to Bush, ie personal vilification by drawing comparisons to Hitler. He pointed out the racism, the hatred and the ignominy if all this. And to do that was to risk a very great deal.

Not often do people put their work, their money, or their capital on the line for what’s right. Particularly not in politics, and particularly not on blogs. If I had a blog with thousands of readers, would I risk losing the traffic, to voice my conscience? I don’t know. But Charles did.

Anytime someone puts something on the line, for what is right, it is a rare enough event that I think it should be commended. I wish I could buy into the Snowden story, but when I hear about how he planned to get the job just to steal the data, it turns the story from “naive young American is changed by the truth of his job, decides to blow the whistle on the NSA to ensure the US lives up to its ideals”, to, “young libertarian with dislike for Obama, possibly in collusion with cynical anti-government ex-lawyer, studies how to best steal NSA secrets, gets job with NSA under false pretences, cons colleagues to get their passwords, steals data, gives or sells it to governments who will benefit from seeing US humiliated, then goes to live in the country whose foreign policy amounts to, ‘what would Stalin do?’”

So the fearless intrepid Snowden is, when you read the facts, a guy who has helped Putin. The same Putin who helps the genocidal Sudanese government and their Janjawid militias who burn children alive in Darfur. Who protects Assad as he drops bombs on his own towns and cities. Who annexes parts of sovereign nations when those nations do things he does not like.

Charles, when you read the facts, is a guy who put an important piece of his life’s work, LGF, at risk, in order to tell people the truth. It is too bad those people didn’t want to hear the truth. But LGF survived, and in its current incarnation, how could it ever be anything except a place where the truth gets told?

That is, from my perspective, what makes LGF the best blog on the net. Just like every country has a founding story, that shapes it today, so does LGF. I never see dogma here, or rigid thinking. It is a stalwart against dishonesty and unscrupulousness, on all sides.

I live in Australia, about as far from the US and the Snowden controversy as possible. But even here, the overriding opinion of Snowden is of a whistleblower. Because the newspapers never tell the full story. Neither did I read it at any of the left wing blogs, right wing blogs, or any newspaper, online, or television outlet. Only when I read LGF did I read the truth, the full story. Snowden is no Ellsberg. He is no different to the guy portrayed in The Falcon and the Snowman, who sold government secrets to Russia during the 80s. That guy charged in cash, and admitted he broke the law. We don’t know what price Snowden asked, nor what his payment was. That is a secret.

So as a reader, the way I see LGF is a very unique, very important site, a product of its history and its readers, all of whom are likeminded in at least one sense: the truth is more important to them, than a good yarn.

Where else can you get such spirited discussion, marked by unfailing good natured politeness and respect? Where people will have intense conversations for two threads, then a post later, be talking on local sports, traffic, or the weather, like old friends - which they probably are. Where posters ask about the absence of others, with legitimate concern and empathy? Where, as I was shown today, the posters all welcome a new contributor, even before he has said anything.

With these hallmarks of community, respect, and topical analysis, LGF is like a giant drawing room, or smoking room, as close as I have seen to an actual online community. For me, as a younger man watching Cosmos with Carl Sagan, I remember being taken by his description of Johannes Kepler, the astronomer and mathematician, who believed strongly that celestial orbits had a divinely ordered geometry, with planetary orbits being spherical, and ultimately explainable or measurable using different combinations of platonic solids. But experimental data proved him wrong: planets orbited the sun in elliptical geometries, with no way for platonic solids to predict or describe the mathematics of orbit.

“When he found that his long cherished beliefs did not agree with the most precise observations,” said Carl Sagan of Kepler, “he accepted the uncomfortable facts. He preferred the hard truth to his dearest illusions.”

Such commitment to accuracy and truth is always admirable to behold, especially in contemporary politics where it is almost unknown. But that is why LGF is important to me. Nowhere else has that commitment. Not a single site.

(I should say there are trade weblogs, for drug discovery, pharmacology and medicinal chemistry, but they offer little room for political discussion and feel inappropriate for such anyway. The same probably goes for all Lizards, who have their trade or hobby, whether it is engineering or birdwatching or computer programming, or anything else….while sites exist for those trades and hobbies, they are not as broad in scope as LGF, and might not have room for politics.)

So thanks, Charles, for going through what you did, and exemplifying a real person of conviction. I am astute enough to know one when I see one. Thanks to the lizards, too, for perpetuating that openness and true independence, while maintaining dignity, respect and the emotional ‘high ground’.

I have tried to think of other sites that do what LGF does,and I think it is alone. Countless, fruitless Google searches have led to nothing, but in fact the real centre of the political web, moderate, independent and lucid, is here.

Really, who else does what LGF does? Who does what Charles does? Who has this history, and who has this type of analysis, without any trolls, partisans of any extreme, cynics, and fomenters of hate?

Let alone the advanced frontend interface, which was web 2.0 before web 2.0 was even a thing! This place is one I am so happy to have found and followed, and I am looking forward to using that interface, and to getting to know my way around.

There is an old quote by John Maynard Keynes, “when my information changes, I alter my conclusions. What do you do, sir?” I like it: it is apt for science and for LGF.

It didn’t work for Mitt Romney though, because he tried to replace ‘conclusions’ with ‘convictions’, every time the wind changed. He may still be trying.

Forgive the length of my post, actually I had a shorter one on this topic but the computer crashed. I wrote this to cover old ground, but covered some new ground too. Thanks again for the welcomes, and for now, I will lurk, comfortably, and try to work (uncomfortably)!

269 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:12:36pm

re: #268 jamjam

And welcome, hatchling.

270 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:12:45pm

re: #268 jamjam

OK, we’ll let you have pie now…
:D

271 thedopefishlives  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:14:05pm

re: #268 jamjam

Wow. What a way to make an entrance.

Welcome to the madhouse. Barbecued troll buttocks is thataway; tonight’s flavor is roasted pepper with a dusting of garlic and herb feta cheese, in honor of the Mrs. Fish’s splendid randomly generated dinner.

272 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:14:36pm

re: #267 Backwoods_Sleuth

I really think that was the image they wanted you to conjure, when the reality is nowhere close to that.

I was about to say that we as Americans have spent years being conditioned by the “pro-life” crowd to assume that abortions involve fully-formed fetuses, when in reality the majority of abortions occur so shortly into the pregnancy that the fetus would be a glob of cells indistinguishable from most hospital waste. Same with miscarriages, the greatest chance for having one is early in the pregnancy, with the odds decreasing past week 14.

273 Dr. Matt  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:15:04pm

re: #268 jamjam

Hatchlings are suppose to bring coffee and doughnuts.

274 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:15:18pm

re: #265 NJDhockeyfan

I don’t know… After reading that all I can picture is a nurse grabbing a pile of little arms, legs, and heads and throwing them into a furnace to help keep the temps up in the hospital. It’s like an old black and white horror flick.

But that’s not how it is, most fetal waste is indistinguishable from the generic gore that surrounds it. In any event no hospital is making its energy budget off of baby parts. Probably the only medical waste that actually returns significant energy during incineration is all the contaminated plastics, followed (maybe) by the fat from liposuctions. The fact that the same incinerator is being used doesn’t make the process any more gruesome than if a separate crematorium were dedicated to the task.

275 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:18:30pm

re: #272 Targetpractice

I was about to say that we as Americans have spent years being conditioned by the “pro-life” crowd to assume that abortions involve fully-formed fetuses, when in reality the majority of abortions occur so shortly into the pregnancy that the fetus would be a glob of cells indistinguishable from most hospital waste. Same with miscarriages, the greatest chance for having one is early in the pregnancy, with the odds decreasing past week 14.

Exactly. And the extremists keep pushing that “personhood moment” up to and even before conception now in some places.
I’ve experienced at least half a dozen miscarriages/spontaneous abortions. Very sad events, yes, but there was NO BABY. Just a lot of blood and goop.

276 palmerskiss  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:19:33pm

re: #268 jamjam

indeed, welcome :)

277 Semper Fi  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:26:33pm

re: #268 jamjam

Looking forward to reading more of you.

278 TedStriker  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:29:20pm

re: #189 Charles Johnson

This has been an experiment in trolling the trolls.

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Searcy responded to my tweet within minutes, and immediately a herd of morons started tweeting insults at me.

I enjoyed his playing Deke Slayton in From the Earth to the Moon; as soon as I found out that he was a raging wingnut (here quite a while back, as a matter of fact), I pointedly avoided his Twitter feed.

279 palmerskiss  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:31:18pm

re: #275 Backwoods_Sleuth

Exactly. And the extremists keep pushing that “personhood moment” up to and even before conception now in some places.
I’ve experienced at least half a dozen miscarriages/spontaneous abortions. Very sad events, yes, but there was NO BABY. Just a lot of blood and goop.

That must have been very traumatic - big hugs

280 BeenHereAwhile  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:35:36pm

re: #19 darthstar

And sometimes, you cheer for the Hippo.

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Hopefully that photo has been photoshopped - otherwise that’s a dead man.

Hippos are big, aggressive and kill crocodiles.

Hippos kill more humans than any other animal in Africa.

281 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:37:16pm

re: #279 palmerskiss

That must have been very traumatic - big hugs

The first was terrifying. The second was scarey.
Then it was just sad and sad and sad.
So, in the end, I ended up becoming mom to other children.
And to this day, they still call me “Mom”.

282 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:37:17pm

Ron Paul and a New Libertarian Rift Over Ukraine

Early this morning, the president of the libertarian group Students for Liberty co-wrote an op-ed critical of Ron Paul’s response to the Crimea incursion. Alexander McCobin (whom I worked with briefly when I was at Reason magazine) told readers of the Panam Post that “former Congressman Ron Paul, whose views are interpreted by many as wholly representative of the libertarian movement, gets it wrong when he speaks of Crimea’s right to secede.”

283 palmerskiss  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:37:20pm

re: #280 BeenHereAwhile

Hopefully that photo has been photoshopped - otherwise that’s a dead man.

Hippos are big, aggressive and kill crocodiles.

Hippos kill more humans than any other animal in Africa.

Cuz they hungry, hungry hippos

284 palmerskiss  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:39:50pm

re: #282 Killgore Trout

Ron Paul and a New Libertarian Rift Over Ukraine

lol gets popcorn:

Both groups, both factions in the movement, are currently comfortable with Rand Paul’s approach to the crisis. But allies of the Pauls don’t exactly thrill when the other faction alerts the media to the fissures.

libertarianism, you know they dont get it when they insist watching glenn beck ‘opens your eyes’

285 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:40:08pm

re: #8 Pie-onist Overlord

ACUTALLY BOTH THESE PHOTOS ARE THE SAME GUYS.

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They’ve got it backward. The guys on top work for Obama. The guys on the bottom? Bryan Fisher and friends on holiday.

286 dog philosopher  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:40:12pm

re: #268 jamjam

without any trolls, partisans of any extreme, cynics

and here i thought i was a cynical troll with pretensions of extremism…

humph

287 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:40:20pm

I had thought that Dems running against the Koch bros might alienate moderate voters but it looks like fear is a powerful motivator to separate liberals from their money
Bashing the Kochs Can Triple a Democrat’s Fundraising Haul

I’ve seen some numbers from fundraising emails from one campaign that were sent from roughly mid-January to mid-March, pretty bad news cycles for the party. Nineteen emails didn’t mention the Kochs. They raised, in total, $48,146.30, for an average of $2,534.02 per message.

But five emails mentioned, in at least some way, the Koch brothers. Those asks raised $32,668.72, an average of $6,533.74 per email. The Democratic base, which has been hearing about and fearing the Kochs for nearly four years, responds to this stuff.

288 palmerskiss  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:41:13pm

re: #287 Killgore Trout

I had thought that Dems running against the Koch bros might alienate moderate voters but it looks like fear is a powerful motivator to separate liberals from their money
Bashing the Kochs Can Triple a Democrat’s Fundraising Haul

i fail to see the point here - is this not fox news’ business model? albeit reversed?

289 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:41:34pm

re: #287 Killgore Trout

Your bridge is over there.

290 palmerskiss  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:42:54pm

re: #286 dog philosopher

and here i thought i was a cynical troll with pretensions of extremism…

humph

should be an olympic sport..

291 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:43:05pm

re: #288 palmerskiss

i fail to see the point here - is this not fox news’ business model? albeit reversed?

It’s evil for anyone left of center to be worried about the nation according to KT. It leads to OWS or, worse, drumming circles.

292 dog philosopher  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:45:06pm

re: #290 palmerskiss

should be an olympic sport..

btw, allow me to take the opportunity to point out that ‘cynics’ means dog philosophers, in greek

293 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:45:07pm

re: #287 Killgore Trout

I had thought that Dems running against the Koch bros might alienate moderate voters but it looks like fear is a powerful motivator to separate liberals from their money
Bashing the Kochs Can Triple a Democrat’s Fundraising Haul

This is a good example of a media phenomenon that’s become more and more common.

Back when Obama and Romney had their first debate, during which Obama was stiff and a little wooden, Romney was rather peppy, the debate was evaluated almost entirely in terms of style. Romney lied his ass off, lied constantly, and yet the reporters reporting on it simply talked about who had ‘won’ the debate on stylistic points, as though the mass public were stimulus-response machines, unable to actually recognize lies at all, simply responsive to the style and rhetorical performance. This is a failure of the media to factcheck, of course, but it’s also a failure of the media to even consider facts as important.

Similarly, here, this article here represents Democrats donating at a higher rate when the Koch’s are mentioned as some sort of mindless knee-jerk response, a programmed fear-reaction. What about the idea that Democrats recognize that the amount of power and influence wielded by the Koch’s and their many, many, many surrogates and spin-offs is actually huge, that it’s actually a rational decision on being reminded of that influence? Not even considered by the article.

294 palmerskiss  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:45:36pm

re: #291 William Barnett-Lewis

It’s evil for anyone left of center to be worried about the nation according to KT. It leads to OWS or, worse, drumming circles.

nah - he is just trying to do the fashionable outragey thing the right loves now

“the democrats are racist too”

“the democrats use politics to generate political capital”

it has become the stalwart go to for the right since bill o’rielly could not figure out how to tell them a better way out of the mess they got themselves into.

its called - nontrospection = focusing on the perceived weaknesses of yourself projected onto your opponent, so they do not have to do the hard work of self-awareness.

295 dog philosopher  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:46:11pm

re: #287 Killgore Trout

I had thought that Dems running against the Koch bros might alienate moderate voters

???

296 palmerskiss  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:46:18pm

re: #292 dog philosopher

btw, allow me to take the opportunity to point out that ‘cynics’ means dog philosophers, in greek

you learn something new every day.

297 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:46:46pm

re: #275 Backwoods_Sleuth

Exactly. And the extremists keep pushing that “personhood moment” up to and even before conception now in some places.
I’ve experienced at least half a dozen miscarriages/spontaneous abortions. Very sad events, yes, but there was NO BABY. Just a lot of blood and goop.

I am so sorry to hear that.

But let’s clear this up since the RW has tried to take over the word “abortion” and make it sound evil. I know you know this, because you used the term.

The correct medical terminology for “miscarriage” is spontaneous abortion. “Miscarriage” is just the common word most people use, but it is incorrect, from the implication that you were “carrying” a child in your uterus. Therefore, you “mis-carried”.

Up to 50% of fertilized eggs can be spontaneously aborted and we don’t even realize it most of the time because it’s always rather early, sometimes even before a woman’s period or during it. There are a variety of reasons for this, from chromosomal abnormalities to infection to diseases and illnesses.

298 jamjam  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:47:18pm

re: #273 Dr. Matt

(*hands over coffee and donuts)
No worries, here you go ! I have to let you know, these are from 7/11, where they only sell donuts with pink frosting, and regular cinnamon donuts, but I have opted to go with half of each…the pink frosting is pretty good.

Next time I will check out a place near where I live called the Doughnut Van, they have homemade doughnuts 12 bucks for 12, and chocolate thickshakes. They serve the doughnuts hot, and they taste awesome. No frosting on em though.

299 palmerskiss  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:47:36pm

re: #293 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

hiya obdi - i was trying to get you on twitter earlier - i quoted your “glibertarian” article - if that is ok…

300 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:49:09pm

re: #299 palmerskiss

hiya obdi - i was trying to get you on twitter earlier - i quoted your “glibertarian” article - if that is ok…

Yeah, no problem, if I’ve put it up in public feel free to make public use of it. Just don’t quote that private email about my intense fascination with making butter sculptures of John Lithgow, that’d be embarrassing if that got out.

301 palmerskiss  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:50:42pm

re: #300 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Yeah, no problem, if I’ve put it up in public feel free to make public use of it. Just don’t quote that private email about my intense fascination with making butter sculptures of John Lithgow, that’d be embarrassing if that got out.

oh no i’ll leave that for KT, so he can help prove the left are peanutbuttah perverts..

302 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:51:20pm
303 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:53:00pm

re: #288 palmerskiss

i fail to see the point here - is this not fox news’ business model? albeit reversed?

Not really. The partisan cable networks only support their respective parties in as much as it will support advertising revenue. They really don’t care about the politics, if anything it’s better for ratings to have the opposition in power. Dems using the same populist enemies is just a matter of convenience.

304 palmerskiss  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:54:20pm

re: #303 Killgore Trout

Not really. The partisan cable networks only support their respective parties in as much as it will support advertising revenue. They really don’t care about the politics, if anything it’s better for ratings to have the opposition in power. Dems using the same populist enemies is just a matter of convenience.

that is a very contrarian view… have you actually heard of ‘roger ailes’?

305 jamjam  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:55:35pm

re: #270 Backwoods_Sleuth

OK, we’ll let you have pie now…
:D

re: #271 thedopefishlives

re: #277 Semper Fi

Looking forward to reading more of you.

re: #276 palmerskiss

indeed, welcome :)

re: #269 Dr Lizardo

And welcome, hatchling.

Thanks alot guys, I am very much obliged (and obliged to bring more coffee and donuts) :)

306 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:55:59pm

re: #303 Killgore Trout

Do you understand that the Koch brothers actually exist, and actually donate massive amounts of money to a panoply of right-wing non-profits, ‘think tanks’, and candidates? You kind of seem like you think that they’re mythical bogeymen, and it makes you look silly.

We’re not talking about a mythical conspiracy on Obama’s part to take away guns, or made-up bullshit about ACORN, but actual real things that actually occur.

Reality matters.

307 Mattand  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:56:32pm

The older I get, the more I realize that the “They’re all the same” meme is just a really sad, almost cowardly way to go through life.

It’s basically proclaiming “I’m incapable of rendering a decision”.

308 palmerskiss  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:56:45pm

re: #303 Killgore Trout

Not really. The partisan cable networks only support their respective parties in as much as it will support advertising revenue. They really don’t care about the politics, if anything it’s better for ratings to have the opposition in power. Dems using the same populist enemies is just a matter of convenience.

so let me ask you this - then - make a logical argument as to why fox news still engages in gay shaming, transsexual shaming, etc, when not only is it passe, unpopular, and not going to make them money - it likely has long lasting casualty for both gays, trans people, and fox news.

what i’d like to see is you defend, on logical, not ideological terms, why this is good business…

309 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:57:55pm

I found my honey on the highway…

310 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:58:24pm

Just came home from the dealership with the new Obamacar!

Just brought the new Obamacar home from the dealership!

311 thedopefishlives  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:58:51pm

re: #310 Pie-onist Overlord

Just came home from the dealership with the new Obamacar!

[Embedded image]Just brought the new Obamacar home from the dealership!

Congratulations!

312 palmerskiss  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:58:57pm

re: #307 Mattand

The older I get, the more I realize that the “They’re all the same” meme is just a really sad, almost cowardly way to go through life.

It’s basically proclaiming “I’m incapable of rendering a decision”.

They are not the same. that is another from of projection from the right - trying to distance itself from an incapacitated gop.

it bears no resemblance to reality, nuance, or pragmatism.

313 palmerskiss  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 3:59:38pm

re: #310 Pie-onist Overlord

Just came home from the dealership with the new Obamacar!

Just brought the new Obamacar home from the dealership!

that is goodlooking for a first mom-mobile

314 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 4:00:28pm

re: #310 Pie-onist Overlord

Just came home from the dealership with the new Obamacar!

Just brought the new Obamacar home from the dealership!

Looks good, but we’re holding out for a Hillarymobile.

315 dog philosopher  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 4:00:31pm

re: #310 Pie-onist Overlord

Just came home from the dealership with the new Obamacar!

Just brought the new Obamacar home from the dealership!

praise the ford!

316 jamjam  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 4:01:14pm

re: #303 Killgore Trout

Not really. The partisan cable networks only support their respective parties in as much as it will support advertising revenue. They really don’t care about the politics, if anything it’s better for ratings to have the opposition in power. Dems using the same populist enemies is just a matter of convenience.

Isn’t that a bit self-defeating for the networks, though, if true? Because if, say, FNC only supports the GOP because it makes money, and the network makes more cash with the GOP in opposition, then why would they try to get Republicans elected at all? Why would they support the GOP, when supporting the dems would be the more lucrative option (keeping the GOP in opposition)?

317 thedopefishlives  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 4:07:45pm

re: #315 dog philosopher

praise the ford!

Now that’s a bit excessive, don’t you think?

////Yeah, I’m a General Motors guy, what’s it to ya?

318 palmerskiss  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 4:08:48pm

re: #317 thedopefishlives

Now that’s a bit excessive, don’t you think?

////Yeah, I’m a General Motors guy, what’s it to ya?

chevrolet is a french name… maybe you can change it to “freedomlet”

319 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 4:08:58pm

re: #174 Dr Lizardo

So, today was a good day. I got a free bicycle.

They were cleaning out the downstairs neighbor’s apartment - he died a couple of months ago - and they were throwing out everything, including a late 1970 Favorit men’s 10-speed city bike. So I asked if they were just going to throw it out, and they said, “If you want it, it’s yours” so naturally, I grabbed it.

It’s in good shape overall; it needs a new front tire/tube, and I’ll change the handlebar - it’s the curved type, and to be honest, I really don’t like those; I far prefer the more traditional handlebar arrangement. It’s got the original leather seat, but that’s pretty beat so I’ll see if I can find a new one. It also needs a kickstand. The chain is like new, but no chainguard, so I’ll have to see if I can rustle one up somewhere. Brakes are good, with fairly unused brake pads (caliper brakes).

Mostly it was just neglected - it had been sitting outside on his balcony.

I also got a nice hotplate out of it as well. So, not a bad day.

I just got back from the first hike of the season. I’ll see if I can get a photo off of my phone and onto my ‘puter.

Congrats on the Favorit!

320 Kragar  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 4:10:17pm

re: #300 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

321 dog philosopher  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 4:12:02pm

re: #318 palmerskiss

chevrolet is a french name… maybe you can change it to “freedomlet”

et le Cadillac, aussi!

The company was named after French explorer Antoine Laumet de La Mothe, sieur de Cadillac, who founded Detroit in 1701

i want to drive a La Mothe

322 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 4:14:05pm

re: #308 palmerskiss

so let me ask you this - then - make a logical argument as to why fox news still engages in gay shaming, transsexual shaming, etc, when not only is it passe, unpopular, and not going to make them money - it likely has long lasting casualty for both gays, trans people, and fox news.

what i’d like to see is you defend, on logical, not ideological terms, why this is good business…

Because it makes them money. Fox news is quite successful at what it does.

323 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 4:14:23pm

re: #317 thedopefishlives

Now that’s a bit excessive, don’t you think?

////Yeah, I’m a General Motors guy, what’s it to ya?

“You need a Mopar to catch a Mopar.”
—Vanishing Point

324 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 4:16:57pm

re: #316 jamjam

Isn’t that a bit self-defeating for the networks, though, if true? Because if, say, FNC only supports the GOP because it makes money, and the network makes more cash with the GOP in opposition, then why would they try to get Republicans elected at all? Why would they support the GOP, when supporting the dems would be the more lucrative option (keeping the GOP in opposition)?

Because Fox will do well financially they really don’t care either way but having the “enemy” in power is a big ratings boost because they get to do all kinds of reporting on secret government plots and abuses of power that they won’t do if their party is in control.

325 thedopefishlives  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 4:17:20pm

re: #323 Decatur Deb

“You need a Mopar to catch a Mopar.”
—Vanishing Point

My mom drove a 350 Rocket when she was younger. Dad has his father’s ‘72 Chevy 3/4 ton parked in their barn. It runs in the family, as it were.

326 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 4:21:47pm

I’m not a fan of Bradblog but he’s not impressed by the Dems Koch campaign either
Koch Is It! Dems’ 2014 Campaign Plan Revealed!

So, running against The Koch Brothers brings in three times as much money as running on…whatever else the Dems have been trying to run on so far this year.

It’d be nice if the Democrats gave voters something concrete to vote for. It might even solve their oft-cited problem of D voters not turning out for mid-terms. Why should they, after all? That’s not a criticism, that’s an actual question.

You also might want to ask them why they aren’t doing much more to fight against the madness unleashed by the infamous Citizens United in 2010 and the way that Republicans (particularly the Kochs and Karl Rove) have gamed every last inch of whatever scraps are left of campaign finance law in this country. Come to think of it, a hard promise to pass laws to effectively overturn Citizens United and restore campaign finance enforcement at the FEC would be just one concrete policy that Americans might actually turn out to vote affirmatively for. And, Democrats could beat up on the Kochs all they like in the bargain. Win-win! So, of course, Democrats probably won’t do it.

327 dog philosopher  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 4:24:08pm

re: #325 thedopefishlives

My mom drove a 350 Rocket when she was younger. Dad has his father’s ‘72 Chevy 3/4 ton parked in their barn. It runs in the family, as it were.

my father always bought buicks

canary yellow buick convertibles with black tops

i’m loyal to hondas myself, simply because they’re so reliable i don’t dare buy anything else

but i will buy a tesla if the next model is affordable for ordinary humans

328 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 4:24:16pm

re: #324 Killgore Trout

Because Fox will do well financially they really don’t care either way but having the “enemy” in power is a big ratings boost because they get to do all kinds of reporting on secret government plots and abuses of power that they won’t do if their party is in control.

You’re not really understanding the question. Let’s make it simpler for you:

A) Fox news supports the GOP. They support their message, they support their candidates, they attack the Democrats.

B) You contend that they actually do better with the Democrats in power, that they prefer it.

If they prefer it, then their support for the GOP is self-defeating.

Does this help you understand?

329 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 4:27:56pm

re: #327 dog philosopher

my father always bought buicks

canary yellow buick convertibles with black tops

i’m loyal to hondas myself, simply because they’re so reliable i don’t dare buy anything else

but i will buy a tesla if the next model is affordable for ordinary humans

Always buy 20 yr-old British nightmares because I don’t have enough grief in my life. Replaced the ‘79 MG Midget with the ‘73 Land Rover I’ve been running for 12 years.

330 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 4:29:08pm

Yeah, let’s remember that this whole assessment of the value of Koch-bashing comes from the “impression” of Dave Weigel, who I won’t knock as a journalist, but isn’t actually a statistician or in advertising.

Also, sample n = 24 , so it’s basically vapor on par with Malaysian airline speculation.

331 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 4:29:35pm

re: #329 Decatur Deb

Always buy 20 yr-old British nightmares because I don’t have enough grief in my life. Replaced the ‘79 MG Midget with the ‘73 Land Rover I’ve been running for 12 years.

Now I have this mental image of you in the ‘73 with an Indiana Jones type hat on

332 dog philosopher  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 4:33:55pm

re: #326 Killgore Trout

It’d be nice if the Democrats gave voters something concrete to vote for.

oh, the irony!

333 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 4:34:55pm

re: #330 The Ghost of a Flea

Yeah, let’s remember that this whole assessment of the value of Koch-bashing comes from the “impression” of Dave Weigel, who I won’t knock as a journalist, but isn’t actually a statistician or in advertising.

Also, sample n = 24 , so it’s basically vapor on par with Malaysian airline speculation.

I’ll knock Weigel. He’s always interesting, but I don’t trust him.

334 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 4:42:18pm

re: #332 dog philosopher

oh, the irony!

I don’t get where this ‘The Democrats don’t have a platform’ meme is coming from. It seems to have sprung up overnight, but from individual candidates to the actual party, it’s easy to find concrete examples of policy—minimum wage hike being the most obvious.

That the Democrats aren’t lying and claiming they can magically get shit down with the GOP obstructing them seems to be being read by people as “They don’t have any policies”.

335 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 4:43:32pm

re: #334 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I don’t get where this ‘The Democrats don’t have a platform’ meme is coming from. It seems to have sprung up overnight, but from individual candidates to the actual party, it’s easy to find concrete examples of policy—minimum wage hike being the most obvious.

That the Democrats aren’t lying and claiming they can magically get shit down with the GOP obstructing them seems to be being read by people as “They don’t have any policies”.

It’s a DARVO thing…

336 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 4:43:53pm

heh…

337 thedopefishlives  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 4:44:43pm

re: #329 Decatur Deb

Always buy 20 yr-old British nightmares because I don’t have enough grief in my life. Replaced the ‘79 MG Midget with the ‘73 Land Rover I’ve been running for 12 years.

1984 Volkswagen Rabbit. Drove it for a year until it literally disintegrated underneath me.

338 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 4:45:57pm

re: #334 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I don’t get where this ‘The Democrats don’t have a platform’ meme is coming from. It seems to have sprung up overnight, but from individual candidates to the actual party, it’s easy to find concrete examples of policy—minimum wage hike being the most obvious.

That the Democrats aren’t lying and claiming they can magically get shit down with the GOP obstructing them seems to be being read by people as “They don’t have any policies”.

We have policies—the 2008 Obama platform. If we can’t do it in 2016, we’ll get it in 2020. Perhaps President Warren won’t have to deal with the same kamikaze kongress.

339 palmerskiss  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 4:48:07pm

re: #322 Killgore Trout

Because it makes them money. Fox news is quite successful at what it does.

that is not an argument that is a declaration… what evidence do you have that being anti-gay makes money…?

340 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 4:48:11pm

re: #275 Backwoods_Sleuth

Exactly. And the extremists keep pushing that “personhood moment” up to and even before conception now in some places.
I’ve experienced at least half a dozen miscarriages/spontaneous abortions. Very sad events, yes, but there was NO BABY. Just a lot of blood and goop.

re: #279 palmerskiss

That must have been very traumatic - big hugs

They are. My wife has had five, and she’s still suffering grief from them.

341 compound_Idaho  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 4:48:46pm

re: #337 thedopefishlives

My first car was a ‘77 Rabbit with 100,000 miles on it. I drove it for another 200,000. You always remember your first.

342 palmerskiss  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 4:49:39pm

re: #328 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

You’re not really understanding the question. Let’s make it simpler for you:

A) Fox news supports the GOP. They support their message, they support their candidates, they attack the Democrats.

B) You contend that they actually do better with the Democrats in power, that they prefer it.

If they prefer it, then their support for the GOP is self-defeating.

Does this help you understand?

ah you got that one before i had a chance - thanx obdi

343 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 4:49:46pm

re: #337 thedopefishlives

1984 Volkswagen Rabbit. Drove it for a year until it literally disintegrated underneath me.

When I was i my early 20’s, a friend of mine had an old VW Bug that finally gave out

He cut the roof off, painted the body some “groovy” colors, filled it with dirt and made it a planter, sitting out front of his house

344 Jay in Oregon  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 4:50:55pm

It seems like Greenwald has been reveling in his ability to embarrass the United States (especially the NSA) and anger our allies and erstwhile allies for months now.

The only reason I can imagine for why he’s not shouting from the rooftops about the helping the Russians and the Chinese evade the NSA’s infiltration and sigint operations is that teeny-tiny possibility that he and Snowden could end up behind bars for the rest of their lives. I don’t know if treason is a death penalty offense.

It must be eating him up inside to not be able to boast about bringing a superpower to its knees.

345 palmerskiss  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 4:51:28pm

re: #341 compound_Idaho

My first car was a ‘77 Rabbit with 100,000 miles on it. I drove it for another 200,000. You always remember your first.

my first car was a panoz roadster, which i subsequently crashed on i85 heading out of atlanta - my parents had the car rebuilt, and i crashed it again.

my children will not be receiving a sports car… and all i wanted was a jeep cherokee lol, but my mother was not having that.

346 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 4:51:54pm

re: #343 sattv4u2

When I was i my early 20’s, a friend of mine had an old VW Bug that finally gave out

He cut the roof off, painted the body some “groovy” colors, filled it with dirt and made it a planter, sitting out front of his house

Raising the tax base in his neighborhood. Did he call it “Further”?

347 kirkspencer  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 4:52:02pm

re: #340 Romantic Heretic

They are. My wife has had five, and she’s still suffering grief from them.

My wife had one, and since it was a few weeks along it was somewhat traumatic. it was also messy and required a bit of surgery - one of those things called abortions by the ignorant - to clean it up.

Because it was cleaned she didn’t have other problems that were in the early stages and we wound up with a lovely daughter less than a year later. Because of complications before it was cleaned plus other issues that daughter was our only child.

There are reasons I have no tolerance for people who want to talk about partial-birth or stick-blender abortions. Those are loaded terms that demean and ignore the pain pretty much every woman who has to face them goes through.

348 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 4:53:13pm

re: #346 Decatur Deb

Raising the tax base in his neighborhood. Did he call it “Further”?

It actually fit in quite nicely! Neighbors didn’t mind at all! Small, dead end street. Maybe 7-,,, 8 houses max

349 thedopefishlives  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 4:53:26pm

re: #341 compound_Idaho

My first car was a ‘77 Rabbit with 100,000 miles on it. I drove it for another 200,000. You always remember your first.

My first car was a ‘91 Chevrolet half-ton; my father’s farm truck. Got it ripped in half by a dump truck hauling gravel about ten years back. Still carry a scar and the broken ignition key that snapped off in the ignition from the violent impact.

350 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 4:53:51pm

So, earlier today, I tweeted about the high costs of health care here in the US compared to those in the UK, via the WaPo story highlighting the cost disparity.

Then, I noted that none other than Jim Hoft decided to ignore the cost disparity and went with the absurd argument about how the UK burns babies for fuel.

Yeah, a real winning argument he’s got there.

But that got me thinking - just how exactly do hospitals here treat medical waste and human tissue? Incineration is a frequent option, and can result in energy production in a cogen facility.

351 kirkspencer  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 4:57:09pm

re: #345 palmerskiss

my first car was a panoz roadster, which i subsequently crashed on i85 heading out of atlanta - my parents had the car rebuilt, and i crashed it again.

my children will not be receiving a sports car… and all i wanted was a jeep cherokee lol, but my mother was not having that.

My first car (in 1976) was a 1968 Chevy Bel Air - straight six, no air, no radio, no nothing but go-anywhere beast. I thought I killed it in 1982 and got rid of it. Turned out the problem was engine seals instead of a cracked block. I kick myself every time I think about it, but console myself recognizing I am not as mechanically ignorant as I was then.

352 dog philosopher  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 5:02:43pm

re: #351 kirkspencer

My first car (in 1976) was a 1968 Chevy Bel Air - straight six, no air, no radio, no nothing but go-anywhere beast. I thought I killed it in 1982 and got rid of it. Turned out the problem was engine seals instead of a cracked block. I kick myself every time I think about it, but console myself recognizing I am not as mechanically ignorant as I was then.

bel air, sans air

353 palmerskiss  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 5:03:43pm

re: #351 kirkspencer

My first car (in 1976) was a 1968 Chevy Bel Air - straight six, no air, no radio, no nothing but go-anywhere beast. I thought I killed it in 1982 and got rid of it. Turned out the problem was engine seals instead of a cracked block. I kick myself every time I think about it, but console myself recognizing I am not as mechanically ignorant as I was then.

that is a beautiful car! those lines!!

354 palmerskiss  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 5:04:14pm

re: #352 dog philosopher

bel air, sans air

that would be a ‘bell window’

“stick your arm out further i can almost feel the wind on my face”

355 dog philosopher  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 5:05:32pm

i remember noticing back in the mid 1960s that 2/3ds of the cars on the road were either fords or chevys

356 EPR-radar  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 5:17:38pm

re: #326 Killgore Trout

From the quoted article

It’d be nice if the Democrats gave voters something concrete to vote for. It might even solve their oft-cited problem of D voters not turning out for mid-terms. Why should they, after all? That’s not a criticism, that’s an actual question.

This is an idiotic question by the author of the article. D voters need to turn out in all elections (especially midterms) to prevent the disastrous results of too many GOP victories.

The GOP base has exactly two talents: 1) Hating and 2) Turning out to vote.

This has to be countered by superior D performance in voter turnout.

357 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 5:18:46pm

re: #355 dog philosopher

i remember noticing back in the mid 1960s that 2/3ds of the cars on the road were either fords or chevys

Yes, I had a ‘68 Ford Falcon, little beauty and the only compact car I could afford. Even though it was a 6 cyl It was considered a “gas saver”. I couldn’t afford Volkswagen, which I really wanted, or anything else foreign. I did find a used Opel Kadette after my 15 yr old wrecked the Falcon in ‘74. It was manual, of course, and I haven’t driven an automatic since.

358 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 5:24:35pm

re: #357 Justanotherhuman

Yes, I had a ‘68 Ford Falcon, little beauty and the only compact car I could afford. Even though it was a 6 cyl It was considered a “gas saver”. I couldn’t afford Volkswagen, which I really wanted, or anything else foreign. I did find a used Opel Kadette after my 15 yr old wrecked the Falcon in ‘74. It was manual, of course, and I haven’t driven an automatic since.

Worst car mistake I ever made was passing on a friend’s offer of her Buick/Opel GT.

Image: Opel-GT_1968_1600x1200_wallpaper_02.jpg

359 Khal Wimpo  Mon, Mar 24, 2014 7:33:02pm

re: #201 Gus

Saw Searcy last week on a panel of Justified actors and producers at an Emmy Awards event. He walked out on stage holding a bottle of wine in his hand and proceeded to drink & refill, drink and refill. Acted belligerent and aggressive with the other actors. Then tried to play it off as “just joking.” I took it as a kind of performance art thing … that he was doing a kind of Andy Kaufman-esque “dare the audience to hate” you gig.

Guess not.

That “Peabody Award and hot wife” thing is an insight into someone deeply, deeply insecure. Start tweeting at him that it’s widely known in Hollywood that he gets upstaged in just about every scene that he’s in … and that the one big showpiece he had this season on Justified was effortlessly dominated by Alan Tudyk, and watch his head a-splode.

360 steve_davis  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 8:13:18am

re: #111 Pie-onist Overlord

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I’m almost tempted to tweet something to her, just to see if she really knows what the word “literally” means.


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