Is Privatizing Metadata Collection Really a Good Idea?

From the frying pan to the fire
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Bob Cesca points out some of the problems in President Obama’s proposal to privatize the NSA’s metadata collection program:

First of all, corporations have a terrible track record when it comes to securing storing customer data. I’m old enough to remember how hackers — or as Greenwald calls them: activists exercising their speech rights — broke into Target’s servers and stole millions of credit card numbers. The same thing happened to Neiman Marcus days later.

Now toss into the equation the fact that, yes, the phone companies not only store your metadata, but also couple it with your name, address and billing information. NSA’s metadata storage, which is considerably more secure in the bowels of its Fort Meade facility, is completely anonymous and all inadvertent collection is minimized per the law.

What else separates NSA storage from corporate storage? How about layers of congressional and judicial oversight that doesn’t exist at Sprint or T-Mobile. Sure, much of NSA’s work takes place in secret, but likewise try getting your hands on corporate secrets from Verizon or AT&T beyond what’s posted on their privacy pages. Good luck with that.

And there’s another huge problem with this idea: one of the main reasons the US wants to store this metadata is that it lets them access and search it quickly in case of an emergency.

But if the government doesn’t already control the data, the only way to achieve the same kind of emergency response capability would be for the NSA to have even more access to the telecom companies’ databases. Not less.

Ironically, if this proposal is adopted it may end up making it easier for the government to access your telephone metadata, not more difficult.

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1 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 6:16:16pm
Is Privatizing Metadata Collection Really a Good Idea?

Probably not.

2 Kragar  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 6:19:34pm

It worked out so well for the prison system.

3 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 6:22:26pm

Spying Reform’s Big Winner? The NSA

Under the administration’s plan, which closely tracks a bill put forward Tuesday by the NSA’s overseers in the House of Representatives, the NSA will still be able to siphon communications from undersea cables. It will still be able to read people’s email, including those of Americans if it obtains a warrant. The hoovering up of foreign communications, which unavoidably rakes in those of some innocent Americans, will continue.

The one thing that will end is the NSA’s mass collection of phone data. Even there, though, the agency will still have the ability to access the phone records of suspected terrorists by serving telecommunications companies with a court order. The phone companies won’t have to retain the records any longer than they already do under federal regulations, which is generally about 18 months. But intelligence officials say that older records tend to be less useful anyway. Judicial mediation may slow down the process of analyzing those records, but the NSA will still have access to them. Considering this is the only major surveillance program the agency has lost in the wake of the Snowden leaks, the spies at Fort Meade got off easy.

4 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 6:23:32pm
“The [phone records] program was just not as important as other programs,” said Michael Vatis, a former senior official in the Justice Department and the FBI who worked on national security and intelligence programs and served on an influential task force about government surveillance. “That’s not to say it’s unimportant. But given all the criticism, this program was one the administration was willing to significantly alter.”

By contrast, the NSA’s Prism program, which collects Internet communications from at least nine major U.S. tech companies, produces far more intelligence — officials say it’s the single largest contributor to President Obama’s daily national security briefing.

5 RadicalModerate  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 6:24:41pm

Privatizing some things is a good idea.
Things like NASA handing off satellite launches to private industry, with necessary safety oversights, freeing up resources for R&D and manned exploration.

When it comes to law-enforcement or defense-related duties… no.

6 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 6:30:29pm

I’m a little confused. This metadata was already privatized. Just to make the phone system and billing function. What am I missing? If it takes a court order (preferably not a less than accountable secret court) to get the data what is the big deal?

7 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 6:31:33pm

I have a real bad feeling about this proposed plan.

If time is of the essence, and there’s an emergency requiring access to databases of this data, the NSA will likely grab not only the metadata for those it seeks, but many of those customers who are unrelated, plus associated data, because it’s not a big step to link the two. If you’re going for a subpoena/warrant for the data, you’re not going to waste time with separate steps - you’re going to want it all. That means that people whose data would never be interrogated by NSA computers could become part of a sweep.

It also means that the telcom companies will have to provide more data and get more oversight from Congress and the WH to make sure that they’re complying with the various data retention and other parameters of the program to make sure that the data is available upon request.

And it’s not like companies are jumping at this opportunity for oversight. Most companies are looking to loosen restrictions, not gain new ones. It means more bureaucracy, not less.

The NSA will still have to do what it does to sort through all the data, after a show of elaborate hoops.

8 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 6:33:02pm

Well, it certainly is a pyrrhic victory for Snowden, that’s for certain.

9 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 6:33:42pm

re: #6 Political Atheist

I’m a little confused. This metadata was already privatized. Just to make the phone system and billing function. What am I missing? If it takes a court order (preferably not a less than accountable secret court) to get the data what is the big deal?

The difference is that the government would stop collecting metadata independently, and rely on the telecomm’s stored databases. A BIG difference in how the data can be used.

10 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 6:34:01pm
11 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 6:35:10pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

The difference is that the government would stop collecting metadata independently, and rely on the telecomm’s stored databases. A BIG difference in how the data can be used.

Because Corporations are so much more trustworthy than Governments.

/

12 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 6:36:56pm

Walter Mosley has written one or two sci-fi dystopian novels involving Corporatism that are scary as hell.

13 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 6:37:38pm

re: #6 Political Atheist

I’m a little confused. This metadata was already privatized. Just to make the phone system and billing function. What am I missing? If it takes a court order (preferably not a less than accountable secret court) to get the data what is the big deal?

It’s mostly a cosmetic change. The NSA has to go through a extra legal hoop to access the data. It slows things down a bit but not much has changed.

14 dog philosopher  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 6:38:19pm

i think the saving grace is that with all the intense collection of electronic activity data these days, companies don’t seem to be able to think of using it for anything more devious than advertizing what you just bought back to you

21st century computing has brought us not artificial intelligence but rather artificial stupidity

and cute pictures of cats

15 darthstar  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 6:40:03pm

Okay, so I tried out Bay Area Bike Share yesterday. $9 for 24 hours. I rode from the office to the ballpark (where I had parked the car since I had my wife’s car and parking permit). About 2 miles. Took 11 minutes. Also rode from the ballpark back to the office this morning. Could have returned by bike this afternoon but I had a late meeting so my 24 hours expired…which meant I walked to Muni and took the train to the ballpark. $2. 30 minutes.

Bicycle - 11 minutes
Train(including walking time - 5 min, waiting time 10 min) - 30 minutes

Now on to the cost. Annual membership is $88/yr. Any rides under 30 minutes are free. If I took 10 rides/week…figure 400 bike trips/year (out of a possible 500 or so due to lazy days, days where I parked at the office, or days where I work from home) and it comes out to 0.22 per ride. Muni: $2/ride

Parking at the ballpark: $150 month. I currently pay $84 a month plus 6.30 round trip on BART. So 126 a month for BART plus $84 for parking…$210/month.

This bike share thing could save me…hm…carry the one…divide by zero because I’m a fucking rebel…and I could save about $700 a year.

Here’s my bike from yesterday after I locked it up. They have a handy bag holder on the front with a bungee for keeping your computer from falling and so you don’t have to have it slung across your back.

16 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 6:42:07pm

Meanwhile, my computer is chugging away at batch processing RAW files into JPGs for online posting. This should be interesting. I get to preserve the RAW files separately, and can play with the JPGs to post online, or to send to folks. After all, the RAW files are 20mb a pop. 800+ photos, though some are part of panorama shots, or setups for HDR and experimental shots. When I’m done with this operation, it’ll be posting time over at the blog.

It’s like baking. Gotta wait for the program to finish cooking.

17 darthstar  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 6:43:25pm

re: #15 darthstar

By the way. For $88 a year you get unlimited 30 minute rides. 30-60 minutes costs $4. After that it’s $7 for each 30 minutes. But these are big, heavy, 7-speed cruisers with soft butt-loving seats. They’re not meant for long rides. But for cruising about the flats in downtown, or even making a run to the store, they’re great. Especially if there’s a rack of them near your start and end points, because you can re-rack them and not get charged for the time in between. You simply generate a new code at the kiosk and unlock the same or a different bike.

18 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 6:46:16pm

Where Greenwald and the ACLU show what a tool Snowden really is, and who he’s working for.

19 psddluva4evah  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 6:46:27pm

Both a dig at Romney and a dig at Putin…

Michelle Kosinski‏@MKosinskiCNN
Pres Obama just called Russia a REGIONAL power. Ouch!

Shorter Obama…Image: tumblr_ls7kjiTAie1qbq7ok.gif

20 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 6:47:23pm

There’s also this…

But a bill proposed Tuesday by Reps. Michael Rogers (R-Mich.) and C.A. “Dutch” Ruppersberger (D-Md.), the chairman and ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, would allow the government to direct phone companies to turn over their records. The surveillance court would get involved on the front end, approving “selection procedures” to ensure the government was only gathering information associated with terrorists and other valid foreign intelligence targets. The government would also have to submit the evidence supporting its request to the court — but only after it was collected.

It would kind of negate the whole “reform” thing.

21 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 6:48:01pm

re: #14 dog philosopher

i think the saving grace is that with all the intense collection of electronic activity data these days, companies don’t seem to be able to think of using it for anything more devious than advertizing what you just bought back to you

21st century computing has brought us not artificial intelligence but rather artificial stupidity

and cute pictures of cats

It’s still early in the century.

22 darthstar  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 6:49:06pm

re: #19 psddluva4evah

Both a dig at Romney and a dig at Putin…

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Shorter Obama…Image: tumblr_ls7kjiTAie1qbq7ok.gif

Jon Karl is a fucking idiot. The way he asked that question, “Mitt Romney says…” Who the fuck is Mitt Romney? He’s a former governor who has not held any position where he was responsible for international relations. And he’s a bitter ex-candidate whose wife won’t let him go outside unless he promises to say something unChristian about the president.

23 dog philosopher  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 6:50:55pm

re: #21 Justanotherhuman

It’s still early in the century.

if we were going by the schedule of the last century it would be about time for a nice little world war

24 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 6:52:12pm

re: #23 dog philosopher

if we were going by the schedule of the last century it would be about time for a nice little world war

What’s the equivalent of an archduke these days?

25 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 6:53:05pm

re: #15 darthstar

Sounds like a no brainer. The bike share program here in NYC metro area needs to expand, but we’ve got issues with the provider despite becoming the most heavily used bike-share in the nation in less than a year’s time. I think they’re out of their league and can’t keep up with the demand, but there are also issues with their tech provider too. If they can find a provider who can meet their goals, it would be a smashing success here. There’s quite a bit of demand outside the areas that already have racks, and there’s a limit as to what the provider can, well, provide. So we’re maxing out on what is available for the moment.

26 dog philosopher  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 6:54:44pm

re: #24 Justanotherhuman

What’s the equivalent of an archduke these days?

hmmm let’s see… wealthy, overdressed, vain, useless…

27 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 6:57:34pm

re: #16 lawhawk

Meanwhile, my computer is chugging away at batch processing RAW files into JPGs for online posting. This should be interesting. I get to preserve the RAW files separately, and can play with the JPGs to post online, or to send to folks. After all, the RAW files are 20mb a pop. 800+ photos, though some are part of panorama shots, or setups for HDR and experimental shots. When I’m done with this operation, it’ll be posting time over at the blog.

It’s like baking. Gotta wait for the program to finish cooking.

Yeah, that’s how i work since I got the 7D. I shoot RAW only. That’s my master library. But I use Picasa to look at them &review I only process the good ones, the keepers. I used to batch process them all and gave it up. I never knew what size I really wanted anyway. RAW then Photoshop then jpeg.

And how i wound up owning so many external drives. Just wait till you start to keep even a little video. 12 or 13 minutes is 4 gigs.

28 darthstar  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 6:57:53pm

re: #25 lawhawk

Yeah…I figure it’s got a usage limit. Get enough users and there will be problems with empty stations when you want to pick up and/or full ones where you intend to drop off.

When I dropped my bike off there were only three empty return racks to choose from. At some point, they’ll have to hire people to go ride bikes from full rack stations to emptier ones to keep up with demand. I suspect on game days, the racks by the ballpark will fill quickly. But I can check their level online easily enough, and there are three other stations within two blocks.

Take a look at the map. And for people visiting San Francisco, 3 day passes are available for $22.

bayareabikeshare.com

29 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 6:58:53pm

Officials recover 2 bodies at Washington mudslide, believe they have located at least 8 more bringing death toll to 24 - @NBCNews live video
end of alert

Official: 176 missing persons reports filed in Snohomish County mudslide; number likely to go down - live video
end of alert

30 missliberties  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 7:00:55pm

re: #6 Political Atheist

I’m a little confused. This metadata was already privatized. Just to make the phone system and billing function. What am I missing? If it takes a court order (preferably not a less than accountable secret court) to get the data what is the big deal?

Exactly. Snowden worked for a private company who had a contract with the government.

Cesca noted correctly that this is a lateral move.

What we should be woefully concerned about is if the SC rules in favor of Hobby Lobby. Bam. Corporations will have the door opened to ignore any law a CEO finds a concentious objection to. Ugh. It’s a horrible door to open.

31 dog philosopher  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 7:02:02pm

Iowa Democratic Rep. Bruce Braley is under fire after a video surfaced Tuesday of him mocking Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, as a “farmer from Iowa who never went to law school” — in the middle of Braley’s campaign for Senate in the state known for its agriculture industry.

Braley apologized for the remarks in a written statement after the video was released. He said he “respects” Grassley and proclaimed his support for Iowa’s farmers.

jeesh

and sabato had the seat leaning toward him

not anymore

32 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 7:02:10pm

re: #27 Political Atheist

This is my first all RAW shoot, so it’ll be interesting to see how it goes. I noticed that Picasa displayed the files differently than the Canon Digital Professional, so I’m wondering what is going on there - especially on nighttime shots. Once this process finishes, I’ll post the results.

Besides, I want to give the Mrs. the opportunity to pick/choose the photos she wants so we scrapbook or print out or turn into wall art, and the JPGs make it easier to share with family/friends or on the blog.

I’ll probably become more selective as I see how this works out. I have a 1TB external drive, so space isn’t much of a concern for the moment.

33 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 7:04:28pm

re: #28 darthstar

I’d do it in a heartbeat, but the Mrs. doesn’t bike.

CitiBike is supposed to have teams that go around and rebalance the bikes, as well as make sure that they’re in proper working order, but even their internal figures are showing that they’re behind on all the metrics. That’s not a good place to be.

It’s got potential to be a game changer for many parts of the city that aren’t as well served by mass transit, since it can help bridge the gaps between those areas and the subway-served portions.

34 missliberties  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 7:05:57pm

re: #16 lawhawk

Waiting for the batch to cook! What software program are you using to do this, if I may ask. (I have a ton of raw files which I convert one photo at a time). It’s a pain.

35 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 7:06:58pm

re: #24 Justanotherhuman

What’s the equivalent of an archduke these days?

A corporate billionaire.

36 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 7:08:06pm

re: #31 dog philosopher

Iowa Democratic Rep. Bruce Braley is under fire after a video surfaced Tuesday of him mocking Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, as a “farmer from Iowa who never went to law school” — in the middle of Braley’s campaign for Senate in the state known for its agriculture industry.

Braley apologized for the remarks in a written statement after the video was released. He said he “respects” Grassley and proclaimed his support for Iowa’s farmers.

jeesh

and sabato had the seat leaning toward him

not anymore

Abraham Lincoln didn’t go to law school either.

37 jaunte  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 7:08:20pm

re: #24 Justanotherhuman

What’s the equivalent of an archduke these days?

This week, they’ll all be here:
bucketregattas.com

38 b.d.  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 7:09:28pm

**Shakes head**

NEW YORK, March 25 (Reuters) - Two CNN journalists were arrested for trying to sneak past security at the World Trade Center in New York City on Tuesday in an attempt to report on recent security lapses at the site, police said.

Yon Pomrenze, 35, and Connor Fieldman Boals, 26, first tried to talk their way in through the main gate to the center in lower Manhattan, much of which is still a construction site, according to the police account. One was holding a video camera, the other had a video camera strapped to his head.

Foiled, Boals then twice tried to climb over the perimeter fence. That did not work either.

A few minutes later, the men were attempting to force their way through an electronic gate about a block away when police arrested them

huffingtonpost.com

39 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 7:10:06pm

re: #37 jaunte

This week, they’ll all be here:
bucketregattas.com

Oh my, was that Todd and Buffy? : )

40 jaunte  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 7:13:15pm
41 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 7:13:20pm

re: #30 missliberties

Unless this makes the telcos more able to abuse metadata they already have (always had really) I still don’t get it. If the NSA needs a court order or warrant to get to that data, what is wrong with that?

I had thought the telcos were already exploiting that metadata to the fullest. Like Google.

42 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 7:15:03pm

Good grief.

Secret Service agents in Obama’s detail sent home from Netherlands after night of drinking

washingtonpost.com

“Three Secret Service agents responsible for protecting President Obama in Amsterdam this week were sent home and put on administrative leave Sunday after going out for a night of drinking, according to three people familiar with the incident. One of them was found drunk and passed out in a hotel hallway, the people said.

“The hotel staff alerted the U.S. Embassy in the Netherlands after finding the unconscious agent Sunday morning, a day before Obama arrived in the country, according to two of the people. The embassy then alerted Secret Service managers on the presidential trip, which included Secret Service Director Julia Pierson.” More

43 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 7:17:02pm

re: #34 missliberties

I’m using the Digital Photo Professional that came with the Canon utilities setup for the 60D and available on the Canon site. There’s probably a similar utility feature on other brand bundles.

44 piratedan  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 7:18:08pm

Obama proposed this? No guarantee it passes the teahadi house, they’d oppose it simply because POTUS proposed it.

45 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 7:18:56pm

re: #32 lawhawk

This is my first all RAW shoot, so it’ll be interesting to see how it goes. I noticed that Picasa displayed the files differently than the Canon Digital Professional, so I’m wondering what is going on there - especially on nighttime shots. Once this process finishes, I’ll post the results.

Besides, I want to give the Mrs. the opportunity to pick/choose the photos she wants so we scrapbook or print out or turn into wall art, and the JPGs make it easier to share with family/friends or on the blog.

I’ll probably become more selective as I see how this works out. I have a 1TB external drive, so space isn’t much of a concern for the moment.

I have my Nikon D60 set to save both to RAW and to “basic” JPG. I use the JPGs for web and sharing, and the RAWs for post-processing. I’m still learning that part.

But RAW format sure does eat up the megabytes. With all the photos and movies I have now, I need to get another 1TB or larger drive.

46 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 7:19:31pm

re: #42 Justanotherhuman

Good grief.

Secret Service agents in Obama’s detail sent home from Netherlands after night of drinking

washingtonpost.com

“Three Secret Service agents responsible for protecting President Obama in Amsterdam this week were sent home and put on administrative leave Sunday after going out for a night of drinking, according to three people familiar with the incident. One of them was found drunk and passed out in a hotel hallway, the people said.

“The hotel staff alerted the U.S. Embassy in the Netherlands after finding the unconscious agent Sunday morning, a day before Obama arrived in the country, according to two of the people. The embassy then alerted Secret Service managers on the presidential trip, which included Secret Service Director Julia Pierson.” More

the Secret Service is it’s own exclusive club.

47 freetoken  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 7:19:52pm

re: #31 dog philosopher

I’ve never been impressed with the Democratic Party, especially on many of the candidates that pop out of the DP process.

The best thing going for the Democratic Party is that they are not the GOP.

48 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 7:25:58pm

re: #45 wheat-dogghazi

I tried shooting RAW/JPG but found that it slowed down performance especially in a burst mode, for catching action shots. That’s why I decided to shoot all RAW this time, and left the JPG to processing. If I’m already on the computer doing other stuff, it can batch process in the background.

49 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 7:29:23pm

re: #48 lawhawk

Do you use the Canon software or something else for the conversion?

50 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 7:29:31pm
52 Randall Gross  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 7:34:02pm

re: #38 b.d.

**Shakes head**

huffingtonpost.com

Here’s that security breach btw:

Youtube Video

53 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 7:39:30pm

re: #17 darthstar

By the way. For $88 a year you get unlimited 30 minute rides. 30-60 minutes costs $4. After that it’s $7 for each 30 minutes. But these are big, heavy, 7-speed cruisers with soft butt-loving seats. They’re not meant for long rides. But for cruising about the flats in downtown, or even making a run to the store, they’re great. Especially if there’s a rack of them near your start and end points, because you can re-rack them and not get charged for the time in between. You simply generate a new code at the kiosk and unlock the same or a different bike.

We have a service like that in Nashville, B-cycle, they are in a number of cities in fact. 5 bucks for 24 hours, First hour included, 1.50 per 30 minutes after that. 7 day membership is 10 bucks, 30 day is 15, and year is 50. I generally ride the express bus to and from Clarksville, but then jump the local to the office. They don’t have any stands up in my part of the city, hopefully they will at some point. That would give me an extra option for the last 3 mile stretch.

RBS

54 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 7:39:48pm

re: #49 Political Atheist

Using Canon’s Digital Photo Professional. I don’t want to spent lots of time photo editing either, but with RAW, I’m going to have to start spending some time fiddling with the various levels and controls.

55 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 7:43:31pm

re: #48 lawhawk

I tried shooting RAW/JPG but found that it slowed down performance especially in a burst mode, for catching action shots. That’s why I decided to shoot all RAW this time, and left the JPG to processing. If I’m already on the computer doing other stuff, it can batch process in the background.

I’ve been waffling on it. I mostly shoot in b&w and over all Olympus’ in-camera conversion remains better than mine. So I had been shooting in JPG, monochrome, square aspect ratio. However, I’m trying to get more comfortable with doing manual conversion in GIMP using the channel mixer in monochrome mode with rgb channels from the RAW file.

So right now I’m trying RAW with the camera still set in monochrome/square with the square outline shown in camera. The problem is that Oly does a boat load of covering up for their lenses in software. Micro4/3’s does a lot of this in general to hold down cost and physical size. I’m not sure how to fix the hefty barrel distortion in the RAW images.

So I may go back to taking color images as JPG to convert to b&w instead. Really this is the only thing I’m less than happy with - there is no way I’d go back to a SLR anymore. I just don’t care to shoot that way after years of working with rangefinders, & mirrorless.

56 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 7:46:12pm

re: #54 lawhawk

Using Canon’s Digital Photo Professional. I don’t want to spent lots of time photo editing either, but with RAW, I’m going to have to start spending some time fiddling with the various levels and controls.

I highly encourage you to check out Adobe Lightroom. Price isn’t too bad (for an Adobe product), it does a great job of converting, I use it almost exclusively now for my editing and basic corrections. It’s not photoshop, but for more general retouch / curves / adjustments it’s hard to beat. I use Photoshop Elements for any kind of additional work. I’m not nearly as talented as some of the folks here, so I limit myself to pretty basic stuff.

I still try to ‘get it right in the camera’, but boy isn’t it nice to be able to recover those less-than perfect ones?

RBS

57 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 7:46:51pm

re: #55 William Barnett-Lewis

Does OLY have a software package that can do the conversion instead of on your computer? That might make your life a little easier. You’d still be able to tweak images in GIMP, but the heavy lifting is done by their software.

58 BongCrodny  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 7:47:53pm

re: #31 dog philosopher

Iowa Democratic Rep. Bruce Braley is under fire after a video surfaced Tuesday of him mocking Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, as a “farmer from Iowa who never went to law school” — in the middle of Braley’s campaign for Senate in the state known for its agriculture industry.

Braley apologized for the remarks in a written statement after the video was released. He said he “respects” Grassley and proclaimed his support for Iowa’s farmers.

jeesh

and sabato had the seat leaning toward him

not anymore

Sounds like the Republicans’ chances to capture the Senate may have just shot up to 65%. ;-P

59 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 7:49:44pm

re: #57 lawhawk

Does OLY have a software package that can do the conversion instead of on your computer? That might make your life a little easier. You’d still be able to tweak images in GIMP, but the heavy lifting is done by their software.

Not on linux. I suppose I should try to install it under WINE and see if that does the trick. Right now I’m using UFRaw for the the RAW conversion plugin with GIMP.

60 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 7:50:04pm

re: #56 RealityBasedSteve

I’ve thought of Lightroom, but I’ve been using Picasa for so long now that it’s embedded in my workflow to do the kind of minor edits I want - crops/minor contrast/color correction. If it’s the shot that got away, it just means I’ve got to go back and get it later. Reason enough for another trip.

I’m going to be playing around with GIMP though, since I understand that it can do much of what I might need to do, without paying for the Photoshop tools I’ll never need.

61 Ming  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 7:50:55pm

I don’t understand why corporations should collect metadata for the NSA. The entire purpose of the collection is national security. If it’s so important to protect Americans, the American government should do it.

A corporation is entirely different from a government agency. If a corporation collects metadata for the NSA, can that corporation have any foreign employees? Foreign contractors? Foreign shareholders? Foreign assets and investments? Can this same corporation perform similar services for other governments?

62 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 7:54:10pm

re: #54 lawhawk

Using Canon’s Digital Photo Professional. I don’t want to spent lots of time photo editing either, but with RAW, I’m going to have to start spending some time fiddling with the various levels and controls.

I started my workflow habit just like that. We all have different styles so just to share what saved me a lot of time- Consider this. Pull up the RAW files in Picasa. (Which can manage far more files than Canons software) From Picasa open into PS, the PS RAW conversion screen comes up which I really like. Then I open it in PS and do the rest of any post work. If any.

I keep the unaltered RAW, the PS file and output whatever I need from PS. When I skim my drive those PS files are the best shots, the ones worth working up. Easy to retrieve later that way.

I have a 3tb drive that is 2/3rds full, plus two onboard 1tb drives. Picasa can database all of it. Caveat-I hate Bridge and find Lightrooms file management enraging.

In a pinch Picasa does a heck of a conversion and has enough tools. then it exports pretty easily and I need neither Canon nor Adobe software.

63 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 7:58:44pm

re: #60 lawhawk

I’ve thought of Lightroom, but I’ve been using Picasa for so long now that it’s embedded in my workflow to do the kind of minor edits I want - crops/minor contrast/color correction. If it’s the shot that got away, it just means I’ve got to go back and get it later. Reason enough for another trip.

I’m going to be playing around with GIMP though, since I understand that it can do much of what I might need to do, without paying for the Photoshop tools I’ll never need.

GIMP is a great tool. A LOT of the photoshop filters will work in it, I’ve had it on my little netbook computer. I just switched last year to Adobe, mainly because I was able to get the previous version of Lightroom, Photoshop Elements and Premier Elements for 100 bucks. I couldn’t pass that up.

I use Picassa for a lot of quick resizes, things like that. I didn’t know it could work with RAW.

RBS

64 b_sharp  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 8:03:34pm

re: #59 William Barnett-Lewis

Not on linux. I suppose I should try to install it under WINE and see if that does the trick. Right now I’m using UFRaw for the the RAW conversion plugin with GIMP.

Load Win XP in a VM (virtualbox) in Linux. If you need an XP key let me know.

65 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 8:04:22pm

re: #59 William Barnett-Lewis

Not on linux. I suppose I should try to install it under WINE and see if that does the trick. Right now I’m using UFRaw for the the RAW conversion plugin with GIMP.

Oly software installed fine under wine but crashes within moments of launching. I’ll search/ask at mu-43.com tomorrow about it. I’m too tired right now to trouble shoot it.

66 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 8:06:46pm

re: #31 dog philosopher

Iowa Democratic Rep. Bruce Braley is under fire after a video surfaced Tuesday of him mocking Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, as a “farmer from Iowa who never went to law school” — in the middle of Braley’s campaign for Senate in the state known for its agriculture industry.

Braley apologized for the remarks in a written statement after the video was released. He said he “respects” Grassley and proclaimed his support for Iowa’s farmers.

jeesh

and sabato had the seat leaning toward him

not anymore

Well, the Democrats were due to have a major candidate just plain stick his foot in his mouth in stupid and arrogant fashion. This certainly qualifies.

67 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 8:07:06pm

re: #64 b_sharp

Load Win XP in a VM (virtualbox) in Linux. If you need an XP key let me know.

I’m running 64 bit xubuntu on a hacked chromebook. The Virtual box kernel extensions won’t run. Everytime I’ve tried to update the kernel to get them to work I endup with a wipe & reinstall situation. :(

Though I haven’t tried windows xp in QEMU yet… that might well work. NOT tonight though LOL.

68 BeenHereAwhile  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 8:18:37pm

re: #53 RealityBasedSteve

We have a service like that in Nashville, B-cycle, they are in a number of cities in fact. 5 bucks for 24 hours, First hour included, 1.50 per 30 minutes after that. 7 day membership is 10 bucks, 30 day is 15, and year is 50. I generally ride the express bus to and from Clarksville, but then jump the local to the office. They don’t have any stands up in my part of the city, hopefully they will at some point. That would give me an extra option for the last 3 mile stretch.

RBS

Dunno where your office is in Nashville, but if you ever get to the top of Demonbreun to Buddy Killen Circle of “Naked Statues”, between Music Square East and Music Square West, there are always at least 5 B-cycles docked waiting for someone to ride down the hills to Tootsies down on Lower Broadway.

Could be Nashville’s E-Ticket.

69 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Mar 25, 2014 8:34:14pm

re: #68 BeenHereAwhile

Dunno where your office is in Nashville, but if you ever get to the top of Demonbreun to Buddy Killen Circle of “Naked Statues”, between Music Square East and Music Square West, there are always at least 5 B-cycles docked waiting for someone to ride down the hills to Tootsies down on Lower Broadway.

Could be Nashville’s E-Ticket.

Yea… I’m up in the Metrocenter area, up past I-65. I remember when part of the “Tour de Nash” route ran down Broadway from West End. It was a trip hauling ass down the hill. That was when they ran the start point at the Stadium. Now it’s at Vandy, and the route doesn’t go that way.

Bummer.

RBS

70 Swift2991  Wed, Mar 26, 2014 4:00:16am

It sounds okay if the public goes for it. What bothers me most about this story is that it’s asymmetrical propaganda warfare. The leaker/reporter can say whatever they want. They can spin a fact anyway they want, because the NSA can’t reply. Never Say Anything. The Bible of never showing your hand is engrained in the NSA. What about what Snowden said? They can’t answer. They can only say, I can’t answer that question. To an NSA guy, saying, yeah, you’re right, we do that exactly is as bad as saying, “That’s not true! We use uh—” Uh-oh.

Honest opinion: doesn’t a “transparent SIGINT” agency sound like a unicorn? What you’re aiming at is seeing what the other side is up to. Really up to, not just what they say to you at the yearly meetings of the Club of Famous Countries. This means they will have to not be aware of what you are trying to find out and how you do it. You know it, and they don’t even suspect you do. And when they start getting suspicious, they can find no evidence.

You know, I can envision a day, someday, when large parts of many national intelligence establishments collaborate on the big issues together. Is a comet going to hit the planet in two months? What should the world do about it?

But there is still the need for secrecy in intelligence. Sometimes, you have to know something and you need those people not to know you saw anything.


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