Heritage Foundation Gives “I Am a Reactionary” Award to Hobby Lobby

This is not religious freedom. It’s religious domination.
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See, this is why we call the US conservative movement “reactionary,” as the Heritage Foundation gives an award to the owners of Hobby Lobby, solely because they’re pushing a deceptive redefinition of “religious freedom” (as “freedom to discriminate against women and gays”) into the mainstream: Heritage’s Salvatori Prize Goes to Two Families Arguing Religious Freedom at Supreme Court.

NEW ORLEANS — Two days after the Supreme Court heard arguments in defense of religious liberty against a controversial Obamacare mandate, The Heritage Foundation awarded its Salvatori Prize for American Citizenship to the two families who brought the suits—the Greens and the Hahns.

The presentation was made during a luncheon at the Sheraton New Orleans Hotel as part of the annual Resource Bank gathering hosted by Heritage.

As the Christian owners of two businesses, Hobby Lobby and Conestoga Wood Specialties, the families went to court to challenge Obamacare’s “HHS mandate,” the requirement that they provide certain abortion-inducing drugs and devices through employee health plans.

The dishonesty of these people is mind-boggling. What they’re calling “abortion-inducing drugs and devices” — the morning-after pill and the IUD — have absolutely no connection to abortion whatsoever, and they do not “induce abortions.”

It’s very frustrating to see people who should know better (i.e. the Supreme Court) treating this mendacious argument as if it were even open for debate. The truth is that the US religious right is now setting its sights not just on abortion, but on contraception as well, because these are contraceptive measures, pure and simple.

And it’s offensive that they’re using the language of “religious freedom” to try to justify and support a reactionary agenda that seeks to deny freedom of choice to women.

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251 comments
1 darthstar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 4:48:13pm

I like to shop at the godless fuck palace with yarn called Michael’s.

2 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 4:49:25pm

US movement conservatives have nothing left but lies.

Any honest expression of their views would freak out anyone who hasn’t already joined the cult.

3 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 4:51:12pm

They took it to court on “religious freedom” grounds despite having absolutely no problem with the 4 forms of contraception when they were covered by the company’s old insurance policy. Why? Because if they’d taken the gov’t to court on political grounds, whining that the ACA wouldn’t allow them to keep their old policy, the court would have thrown it all out.

4 klys  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 4:51:30pm

re: #1 darthstar

I like to shop at the godless fuck palace with yarn called Michael’s.

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I buy DMC floss there but go to my local needlework store for everything else.

I found a new one last week! It’s fantastic! Way too close to the house! I am screwed!

5 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 4:52:11pm

re: #3 Targetpractice

They took it to court on “religious freedom” grounds despite having absolutely no problem with the 4 forms of contraception when they were covered by the company’s old insurance policy. Why? Because if they’d taken the gov’t to court on political grounds, whining that the ACA wouldn’t allow them to keep their old policy, the court would have thrown it all out.

The first order of business in RW legal activism is to decide which lies will be the foundation of the case.

6 thedopefishlives  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 4:52:34pm

The Heritage Foundation, that great bastion of conservative thought that is no doubt hard at work generating new euphemisms for racism, sexism, misogyny, and all the other distasteful concepts that conservative movements have been associating themselves with, surreptitiously or otherwise. “Because Jesus” and “America Fuck Yeah” are their creed.

7 jaunte  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 4:53:00pm

Freedom to dominate: it’s that muscular American Tea Party-flavored freedom.

8 nines09  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 4:54:41pm

You vote GOP you are brain dead. Period.

9 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 4:57:03pm

WTF?

10 BrainSurfer  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 4:57:24pm

re: #8 nines09

You vote GOP you are brain dead. Period.

duh, uh….

11 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 4:57:38pm

re: #8 nines09

You vote GOP you are brain dead. Period.

There are other possibilities, none of which are much better:

1) The GOP voter is a bigoted member of the GOP base.

2) The GOP voter is somehow convinced that the Democrats are worse than the Republicans.

3) The GOP voter votes (R) because the alternative is unthinkable.

12 Gus  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 4:57:38pm

Former U.S. Attorney General Edwin Meese III joined Azerrad in presenting the Salvatori Prize to the Green and Hahn families. Meese is Heritage’s Ronald Reagan distinguished fellow emeritus and former chairman of the think tank’s Center for Legal and Judicial Studies, now named for him.

13 jaunte  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 4:59:07pm

re: #9 FemNaziBitch

He’s mocking Dan Snyder’s ” Washington Redskins Original Americans Foundation.”
usatoday.com

14 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 4:59:10pm

re: #9 FemNaziBitch

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WTF?

Probably referring to the owner of the Redskins starting a foundation to ‘help’ Native Americans, while refusing to change the name of the team.

15 kirkspencer  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 4:59:37pm

re: #8 nines09

You vote GOP you are brain dead. Period.

Great hyperbole, terrible accuracy.

16 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 4:59:55pm

Three seconds, and he’s got a link.

17 nines09  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:00:01pm

re: #11 EPR-radar

There are other possibilities, none of which are much better:

1) The GOP voter is a bigoted member of the GOP base.

2) The GOP voter is somehow convinced that the Democrats are worse than the Republicans.

3) The GOP voter votes (R) because the alternative is unthinkable.

They like what the GOP says. Ergo; Brain dead. Moron. Stupid. Cretin. This batch of “Republicans” is a very large pile of shit. Those that vote for them are a bigger pile of shit. Humongous piles of shit.

18 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:00:12pm

The “Salvatori Prize”—named after an Italian immigrant who got very wealthy but couldn’t run for president himself.

19 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:00:32pm

Hey Gus!

20 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:01:28pm

re: #17 nines09

They like what the GOP says. Ergo; Brain dead. Moron. Stupid. Cretin. This batch of “Republicans” is a very large pile of shit. Those that vote for them are a bigger pile of shit. Humongous piles of shit.

Don’t hold back now….

21 Gus  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:03:22pm

re: #19 Pie-onist Overlord

Hey Gus!

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Boom! Already being put to good use.

22 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:03:37pm

re: #9 FemNaziBitch

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WTF?

Colbert’s persona has a history with this that goes way back. Here’s a clip from the show, showing a faux flashback of him getting “caught not knowing” that the camera was on.

Youtube Video

23 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:03:39pm

That’s odd…. I’ve checked a couple of online dictionaries, and nowhere can I find “Douchenozzle” listed as a synonym or as one of the definitions of “Reactionary” .

What am I missing?

24 kirkspencer  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:03:41pm

re: #19 Pie-onist Overlord

We know it’s a lie, but the obvious point of attack is simple.

Did anyone here get asked to prove they paid income taxes before getting a ballot? Anyone?

Then whoever made this claim made it up.

NOW point to the fact they made it up by just happening to point to a map that identifies racial proportions of states.

And ask, “So, you’re in favor the poll tax then?”

25 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:04:51pm

re: #19 Pie-onist Overlord

Hey Gus!

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Only thing I’d add, that it’s from white voters in 1920. (Wasn’t that the date on the original image?)

RBS

26 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:05:51pm

It would seem that the Feline Overlords have moved to their biological weapons phase of world domination, à la The Stand.

Cats have passed TB to humans for the first time in an outbreak feared to have been caused by badgers.

Two people from the same household are being treated for bovine tuberculosis after they caught the disease from their kitten.

Two other cat owners have been infected with a dormant form of TB.

Nine cats were infected in the Home Counties in a matter of weeks.

dailymail.co.uk

Imma fuck you up!

27 nines09  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:07:28pm

re: #20 wrenchwench

I hear you. Had to vent. Loooooonnnnnggggggg day. I’m done.

28 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:07:53pm

re: #26 Dr Lizardo

It would seem that the Feline Overlords have moved to their biological weapons phase of world domination, à la The Stand.

dailymail.co.uk

Imma fuck you up!

Oooh, that belongs over here, too.

29 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:08:14pm

re: #26 Dr Lizardo

The apparent effect of toxoplasmosis infection on rodent behavior is interesting.

en.wikipedia.org

30 Gus  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:11:37pm

re: #19 Pie-onist Overlord

Hey Gus!

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re: #25 RealityBasedSteve

Only thing I’d add, that it’s from white voters in 1920. (Wasn’t that the date on the original image?)

RBS

31 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:11:37pm

In the overstatement of the week dept:

32 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:12:48pm
33 Kragar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:13:02pm

Religious freedom: The right to hold people economically hostage to the employer’s beliefs by restriction of access to services

34 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:15:07pm
35 gwangung  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:16:53pm

re: #34 FemNaziBitch

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Fundraising website to gather funds for this woman is here:

youcaring.com

36 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:17:08pm

re: #30 Gus

This can get confusing. As I understand it, the original Buzzfeed article shows what the 2012 results would have looked like if the electorate was modified in various ways (i.e., excluding non-whites, excluding women etc.). So the 1920 date is kind of irrelevant, since that is only mentioned in the article as the date women’s suffrage passed.

buzzfeed.com

37 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:17:23pm
38 Kragar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:18:21pm

religious oppression: Having tax dollars spent on perfectly legal programs you don’t personally benefit from or might disagree with.

39 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:18:22pm

re: #35 gwangung

Fundraising website to gather funds for this woman is here:

youcaring.com

Thank you

40 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:18:24pm

re: #33 Kragar

Religious freedom: The right to hold people economically hostage to the employer’s beliefs by restriction of access to services

Come now Kragar, you know better. Employer…sorry, “job creators,” give you health benefits out of the kindness of their hearts, not as a form of compensation for services rendered. So if they say what it can and can’t cover, well that’s because their religious beliefs do not allow them to pay their contribution to the insurance that you’re still required to cover with part of your paycheck, premiums, co-pays, deductibles, etc.

41 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:20:15pm

re: #38 Kragar

religious oppression: Having tax dollars spent on perfectly legal programs you don’t personally benefit from or might disagree with.

The US has been pandering to this stupidity for decades with the Hyde amendment.

42 Gus  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:20:20pm

re: #36 EPR-radar

This can get confusing. As I understand it, the original Buzzfeed article shows what the >2012 results would have looked like if the electorate was modified in various ways (i.e., excluding non-whites, excluding women etc.). So the 1920 date is kind of irrelevant, since that is only mentioned in the article as the date women’s suffrage passed.

buzzfeed.com

2012 results modified with pending laws to reflect 1920.

43 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:20:45pm

because condoms are so much more effective… .

44 Gus  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:21:09pm

Or IOW. In 1920, because of then current laws, Obama would have lost by a huge landslide.

45 Aunty Entity Dragon  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:21:29pm
The truth is that the US religious right is now setting its sights not just on abortion, but on contraception as well, because these are contraceptive measures, pure and simple.

Griswold V Connecticut is the SCOTUS decision that got rid of the Comstock laws outlawing contraceptives and it became the underpinning for our understanding of the Right To Privacy as part of the “penumbras and emanations” of the Bill of Rights.

That led to Roe V Wade…and that is why the religious right wants to kill Griswold v Connecticut. No Griswold…no Roe V Wade.

I was utterly stunned in 2006 or so when I was confronted with the hatred on the right for the right to privacy arguments I took for granted. These people will stop at nothing to have their religion “Natural Law” applied to us by force.

I now understand why some of the Founders were dead set against the Bill of Rights. One (I do not remember which) predicted that people would assume that ONLY those rights that were enumerated would be real and that anything not written down would be dismissed.

He was right.

46 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:22:07pm
All Women
Summary: All contraceptive methods evaluated in this study produced a significant cost-savings in as little as one year from the societal perspective. Savings were derived from both financial savings and health gains. Compared to no contraception, oral contraceptives result in cost-savings of $8,827, the vaginal ring results in cost-savings of $8,996, and the monthly injectable results in cost-savings of $8,770.
Methods: A cost-utility analysis was completed using a Markov model and the societal perspective. Costs were calculated based on women of average health and fertility ranging from 15 to 50 years
of age, who were sexually active and in a mutually monogamous relationship. Costs included professional fees, supplies, medications, fitting/insertion, and/or surgical and facility costs, depending on the method.
Reference: Sonnenberg FA, Burkman RT, Hagerty CG, Speroff L, Speroff T. Costs and net health effects of contraceptive methods. Contraception. 2004;69(6):447-459.
47 Aunty Entity Dragon  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:24:33pm

re: #34 FemNaziBitch

I have never seen so disgusting a failure of our society as I read in that story. After seeing her picture, I am ashamed of our country today. Unbelievable that the richest society in the history of humanity cannot let a woman have child care for an hour while she begs for a minimum wage job.

Of course, cutting Mitt Romney’s taxes would solve that…

(Borrowed shamelessly from Balloon Juice)

48 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:25:25pm

For you bird fanciers.

First egg appears in Boise peregrine falcon nest

BOISE, Idaho — The annual peregrine falcon nest watch has started early in Boise this year with the laying of the first egg.

Link to the live web cam. Best viewed in full screen mode.

49 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:25:29pm
50 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:26:52pm
Adolescents
Background: Each year in the United States, one out of every eight women aged 15 to 19 years becomes pregnant. Eighty-five percent (85%) of these pregnancies are unintended, meaning that they are either unwanted or mistimed. The social and economic consequences of teenage pregnancy are substantial. Each year unintended pregnancies among adolescents cost more than $1.3 billion in direct healthcare expenditures. Induced and spontaneous abortions that result from adolescent pregnancy cost more than $180 million. Effective contraceptives prevent unintended pregnancy; many also have the added benefit of protecting adolescents from sexually transmitted infections (STIs).
Summary: Under the most conservative assumptions, the average annual cost of not using contraception was estimated at $1,267 per adolescent at risk of unintended pregnancy. In private medical practice, savings range from a low of $1,794 for the use of spermicides at 1 year of use to a high of $12,318 for levonorgestrel implants at 5 years; in the public sector, savings range from a low of $779 for spermicides at 1 year of use to a high of $5,420 for levonoregestrel implants at 5 years. Methods: A cost analysis was performed comparing (a) the cost of using 11 different methods of contraception (required physician visits or supplies), the cost of treating negative side effects (as well as the cost avoided due to beneficial side effects such as cancer prevention), and the cost of unintended pregnancies (births, spontaneous abortions, induced abortions, and ectopic pregnancies) that occurred during contraceptive use, to (b) the cost of not using any method of contraception. Costs were analyzed from both the private-payer perspective and the public-sector perspective. Private-sector costs were derived from the 1993 Medstat MarketScan database, which contains payment information from large-employer programs, Blue Cross/Blue Shield plans, and other third-party payer plans.
Reference: Trussell J, Koeing J, Stewart F, Darroch JE. Medical care cost-savings from adolescent contraceptive use. Family Plan Persp. 1997:29:248-203 & 295.
51 jaunte  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:27:31pm

Andrea Grimes continues to take apart the 5C decision:
twitter.com

(read up from bottom)

52 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:27:37pm

Amnesty Int’l Challenges Obama to Bring Female Driver to Saudi Arabia

Saudi women activists are hopping behind the wheel again, with the #Women2Drive campaign gearing up for President Obama’s weekend visit to Riyadh.
….
“President Obama should show his support by bringing a female Secret Service driver with him to the country,” said Sunjeev Bery, the group’s Middle East North Africa advocacy director.

Regardless of who’s driving the president, there will be plenty of women on the road during his visit. At least 100 women have defied the law and driven in Saudi Arabia Since Oct. 26, 2013, according to campaign organizers.

heh

53 Aunty Entity Dragon  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:27:51pm

re: #49 FemNaziBitch

Bryan Fischer: Gender Discrimination OK Because God ‘Designed’ Women To Be Secretaries

The idiocy just keeps on going and going and going …

How’s that rebranding going?

54 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:29:36pm

re: #51 jaunte

Andrea Grimes continues to take apart the 5C decision:
twitter.com

(read up from bottom)

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Yeah, I’m still reading her fisking of this absolute train wreck. 5C basically agreeing with the state (shocker!) that if surgical abortion is not safe for a woman due to complications, then neither is medication abortion, thus the only “safe” option is carrying the pregnancy to term, which is 14 times more likely to lead to complications than an abortion.

55 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:29:48pm

A while back I as having a conversation with a woman, not much older than me. She was a nurse by profession. Of course, the conversation veered toward my favorite topic and she said “sex is part of marriage.”

I retorted, “sex is part of LIFE.”

She truly didn’t know how to respond.

And this, I think, is the crux. AS difficult as it is to believe for me, there are people who truly cannot conceive (as adults anyway) that people have sex outside of marriage and don’t feel guilty about it.

The idea that many, if not most, people don’t believe sex is some mystical gift from God given only to the married is just beyond them.

AT least, the adult them. There seems to be a big black hole when remember their own past lives.

56 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:30:16pm
All methods of contraception are cost-saving from the societal perspective and most are also cost- saving from the private-payer perspective. For example, after one year of use, private-sector savings from adolescent contraceptive use range from $308 (implant) to $946 (male condom).
57 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:30:34pm
58 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:30:44pm

re: #48 Bubblehead II

For you bird fanciers.

First egg appears in Boise peregrine falcon nest

BOISE, Idaho — The annual peregrine falcon nest watch has started early in Boise this year with the laying of the first egg.

Link to the live web cam. Best viewed in full screen mode.

Things appear to be going well in this nest too.

59 jaunte  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:30:53pm

re: #54 Targetpractice

Well, they said they need no evidence to make a decision for everybody.

60 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:31:25pm

re: #54 Targetpractice

Yeah, I’m still reading her fisking of this absolute train wreck. 5C basically agreeing with the state (shocker!) that if surgical abortion is not safe for a woman due to complications, then neither is medication abortion, thus the only “safe” option is carrying the pregnancy to term, which is >14 times more likely to lead to complications than an abortion.

I tell Whackos that a man can kill a woman by keeping her pregnant.

Which, is totally possible under the Conservative view of sex and marriage.

61 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:31:59pm

re: #55 FemNaziBitch

A while back I as having a conversation with a woman, not much older than me. She was a nurse by profession. Of course, the conversation veered toward my favorite topic and she said “sex is part of marriage.”

I retorted, “sex is part of LIFE.”

She truly didn’t know how to respond.

And this, I think, is the crux. AS difficult as it is to believe for me, there are people who truly cannot conceive (as adults anyway) that people have sex outside of marriage and don’t feel guilty about it.

The idea that many, if not most, people don’t believe sex is some mystical gift from God given only to the married is just beyond them.

AT least, the adult them. There seems to be a big black hole when remember their own past lives.

Not only that, but “sex is a part of marriage” pretty much presumes that it’s the duty of a woman to have sex whenever hubby is raring to go. That if she’s not meeting his “need,” then she’s not fulfilling her part of the bargain. It also leads me to wonder if she ever considered what her marriage would be like if, for one reason or another, they couldn’t have sex.

62 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:32:01pm

re: #58 wrenchwench

Things appear to be going well in this nest too.

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bird porn?

63 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:32:03pm

That same guy who is tweeting the fake map meme is also tweeting this meme:
Actually it’s an accurate meme if you consider the “entitlement class” is the 1%, but that’s probably not who he thinks it is.

64 klys  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:32:06pm

re: #55 FemNaziBitch

A while back I as having a conversation with a woman, not much older than me. She was a nurse by profession. Of course, the conversation veered toward my favorite topic and she said “sex is part of marriage.”

I retorted, “sex is part of LIFE.”

She truly didn’t know how to respond.

And this, I think, is the crux. AS difficult as it is to believe for me, there are people who truly cannot conceive (as adults anyway) that people have sex outside of marriage and don’t feel guilty about it.

The idea that many, if not most, people don’t believe sex is some mystical gift from God given only to the married is just beyond them.

AT least, the adult them. There seems to be a big black hole when remember their own past lives.

Well, yeah, but even when you’re married you don’t necessarily want sex to result in kids.

65 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:33:39pm

re: #60 FemNaziBitch

I tell Whackos that a man can kill a woman by keeping her pregnant.

Which, is totally possible under the Conservative view of sex and marriage.

Even with modern medicine, pregnancy complications are a top-10 killer of women of reproductive age.

Without modern medicine, the statistics are much worse, and it was absolutely routine for women to die early or be crippled for life from too much child bearing.

66 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:34:08pm

re: #59 jaunte

Well, they said they need no evidence to make a decision for everybody.

Need no evidence, but are taking the state’s “experts” at their word while ignoring every shred of evidence that Planned Parenthood’s counsel put before them.

67 jaunte  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:34:31pm
68 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:34:45pm

Looks like we’re back to assisting Syrian rebels again this week
Obama appears ready to expand covert assistance to Syrian opposition

Details of the plan were still being debated Thursday, but its likely outlines were described by knowledgeable officials:

●Syrian opposition forces would be trained in camps in Jordan, northern Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

●Vetting of opposition forces would continue during and after the training. Recruits with extremist links supposedly would be weeded out as trainers learned their backgrounds.

●To stabilize what is today a badly fragmented Syria, the program would provide assistance for local councils and police in areas that have been cleared of Assad’s forces.

69 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:35:24pm

re: #66 Targetpractice

Need no evidence, but are taking the state’s “experts” at their word while ignoring every shred of evidence that Planned Parenthood’s counsel put before them.

When judges decide what they want to believe, they need to leave written records of their (lack of) reasoning.

70 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:35:44pm

re: #62 FemNaziBitch

bird porn?

Ooops! NSFW!

71 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:35:58pm
72 thedopefishlives  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:36:04pm

re: #61 Targetpractice

Not only that, but “sex is a part of marriage” pretty much presumes that it’s the duty of a woman to have sex whenever hubby is raring to go. That if she’s not meeting his “need,” then she’s not fulfilling her part of the bargain. It also leads me to wonder if she ever considered what her marriage would be like if, for one reason or another, they couldn’t have sex.

Realize that many of these people don’t HAVE sex. At least not with each other, that is. It shames and embarrasses me how many public spokesmen and spokeswomen for Christianity indulge in extramarital affairs while their spouses suffer silently, playing the dutiful Christian partner while their supposed soulmate is gallivanting around with whomever they can get into their bed.

73 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:36:37pm

re: #61 Targetpractice

Not only that, but “sex is a part of marriage” pretty much presumes that it’s the duty of a woman to have sex whenever hubby is raring to go. That if she’s not meeting his “need,” then she’s not fulfilling her part of the bargain. It also leads me to wonder if she ever considered what her marriage would be like if, for one reason or another, they couldn’t have sex.

Pure hell for her. Living with a man who considers himself sex starved is not fun.

74 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:36:54pm

Goodnight Lizards.

75 Gus  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:37:01pm
76 Gus  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:37:19pm

Probably Photoshopped but what the hay. ;)

77 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:37:27pm

re: #64 klys

Well, yeah, but even when you’re married you don’t necessarily want sex to result in kids.

That isn’t the issue with the Whackos. It’s the single minority female who is having sex that bothers them.

78 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:37:58pm

re: #76 Gus

Probably Photoshopped but what the hay. ;)

Meme is a lie!

79 BongCrodny  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:38:08pm

re: #19 Pie-onist Overlord

Hey Gus!

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How about you forward them this one:

Who’s Not Paying Taxes?

80 dog philosopher  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:38:16pm

re: #11 EPR-radar

.

3) The GOP voter votes (R) because the alternative is unthinkable.

the gop voter is already practicing unthinking

double plus ungood

81 jaunte  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:38:29pm

re: #76 Gus

Otters prefer Dove bars.

82 thedopefishlives  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:38:43pm

Marriage is supposed to be a partnership, and that includes sex.

83 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:38:52pm

re: #72 thedopefishlives

Realize that many of these people don’t HAVE sex. At least not with each other, that is. It shames and embarrasses me how many public spokesmen and spokeswomen for Christianity indulge in extramarital affairs while their spouses suffer silently, playing the dutiful Christian partner while their supposed soulmate is gallivanting around with whomever they can get into their bed.

Not only that, but then hubby puts his little Stepford wife before the cameras to tell about the “loving” marriage they have, the “wonderful” home-life they have, and waggle their fingers at the idea that women might want sex outside the bonds of marriage or find pleasure in sex that isn’t for procreation. Hell, IIRC, it was during the Sandra Fluke fiasco that there was one Republican woman who declared that marriage isn’t about sex and couples could find other ways to keep a marriage together without ever having sex.

84 Gus  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:39:00pm

re: #79 BongCrodny

How about you forward them this one:

Who’s Not Paying Taxes?

Burn! Maybe Alouette can do that. I really try to avoid these people most of the time.

85 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:39:31pm

re: #72 thedopefishlives

Realize that many of these people don’t HAVE sex. At least not with each other, that is. It shames and embarrasses me how many public spokesmen and spokeswomen for Christianity indulge in extramarital affairs while their spouses suffer silently, playing the dutiful Christian partner while their supposed soulmate is gallivanting around with whomever they can get into their bed.

Yeah, i had one friend who lived the Catholic Lie of not having sex unless one is procreating. Her husband was always very amiable. Hubby and I used to wonder where he was getting it.

86 Fortitudine  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:39:58pm

None of the approved contraceptive drugs on the plan are abortifacients! Why is it so difficult for people to understand this?

But even if they were, religious exemptions should not be given to corporations.

87 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:40:09pm

re: #83 Targetpractice

Not only that, but then hubby puts his little Stepford wife before the cameras to tell about the “loving” marriage they have, the “wonderful” home-life they have, and waggle their fingers at the idea that women might want sex outside the bonds of marriage or find pleasure in sex that isn’t for procreation. Hell, IIRC, it was during the Sandra Fluke fiasco that there was one Republican woman who declared that marriage isn’t about sex and couples could find other ways to keep a marriage together without ever having sex.

Michelle Bachmann?

88 Gus  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:41:01pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

Meme is a lie!

If my meme was a meme then my meme was a lie from the get go. //

89 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:41:09pm

re: #86 Fortitudine

None of the approved contraceptive drugs on the plan are abortifacients! Why is it so difficult for people to understand this?

But even if they were, religious exemptions should not be given to corporations.

That’s worth double updings.

90 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:41:19pm

re: #86 Fortitudine

None of the approved contraceptive drugs on the plan are abortifacients! Why is it so difficult for people to understand this?

But even if they were, religious exemptions should not be given to corporations.

because Science is tooo hard and lady parts are porn.

They never got the memo that Comstock was a misogynist.

91 thedopefishlives  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:41:53pm

re: #85 FemNaziBitch

Yeah, i had one friend who lived the Catholic Lie of not having sex unless one is procreating. Her husband was always very amiable. Hubby and I used to wonder where he was getting it.

For the evangelical Protestants, sex is usually a “dirty little secret” that fine upstanding Christian folk don’t engage in unless they’re making babies. Hence why they have to keep mistresses of loose morals whom they can turn their suppressed lustful desires on. Let’s just say that getting an otherwise plain and upright evangelical into your bed can be an, er, “enlightening” experience.

92 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:42:13pm

Had interview today; went well; interviewer kept telling me I was overqualified; fingers crossed.

Had discussion about the ACA and healthcare.gov today; person conversed with believed a pundit on the radio more than my personal experience in signing up (my upshot: process was easy, but I had to follow-up with the insurance company myself).

People believe what they want to believe, and desperately will cling to that even if presented with contradictory evidence offered in a mellow, “well, this is what happened to me” sort of way.

Had my first Orange Julius of the spring.

Overheard two flavors of racism today: anti-black *and* antisemitism. In an area where African-Americans and Jews are a small fraction of the population.

Out of the blue, someone offered to do minor bodywork/paint fixing on my car at a price tag of 3 months rent (that’s at “here” costs rather than DC), or probably a full fifth of the value of that ten year old car. I can’t help suspecting this fellow is… let me say this kindly… generously overestimating the expense of such a thing, parts and labor inclusive?

Many compliments on my new sports jacket (for interviews).

Thursday.

93 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:43:49pm

re: #91 thedopefishlives

For the evangelical Protestants, sex is usually a “dirty little secret” that fine upstanding Christian folk don’t engage in unless they’re making babies. Hence why they have to keep mistresses of loose morals whom they can turn their suppressed lustful desires on. Let’s just say that getting an otherwise plain and upright evangelical into your bed can be an, er, “enlightening” experience.

How Victorian of them.

94 thedopefishlives  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:44:04pm

re: #93 FemNaziBitch

How Victorian of them.

Quite so. In fact, that’s about exactly how I’d describe it.

95 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:45:06pm
96 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:46:32pm

Here’s a horsie instead of a kitteh. This is the drive up window at the local Wendy’s.

Later, lizards.

97 Ryan King  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:47:06pm
The dishonesty of these people is mind-boggling. What they’re calling “abortion-inducing drugs and devices” — the morning-after pill and the IUD — have absolutely no connection to abortion whatsoever, and they do not “induce abortions.”

Uh, no Charles. Rhetorical flourishes and euphemisms are what the Founding Fathers fought for, it’s patriotic to be disingenuous when confronting godless liberals hell bent on destroying our country. Murica.

98 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:47:29pm

re: #83 Targetpractice

Not only that, but then hubby puts his little Stepford wife before the cameras to tell about the “loving” marriage they have, the “wonderful” home-life they have, and waggle their fingers at the idea that women might want sex outside the bonds of marriage or find pleasure in sex that isn’t for procreation. Hell, IIRC, it was during the Sandra Fluke fiasco that there was one Republican woman who declared that marriage isn’t about sex and couples could find other ways to keep a marriage together without ever having sex.

You know, this is why I wonder about the virginity for women until marriage meme. If you are a women and only have one lover and that lover isn’t really all that concerned about your pleasure (because you aren’t suppossed to have pleasure) or is a totally bad lover, you aren’t going to enjoy sex.

You are, in fact, going to hate it and wonder why any women would want sex.

Sick, twisted purity bullshit.

99 Gus  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:47:56pm

re: #96 wrenchwench

Here’s a horsie instead of a kitteh. This is the drive up window at the local Wendy’s.

[Embedded image]

Later, lizards.

100 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:48:42pm

Why do horses and kittehs go together so well?

Why not horses and squirrels?

101 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:48:57pm

re: #100 FemNaziBitch

Why do horses and kittehs go together so well?

Why not horses and squirrels?

I forgot, mice in the horse feed.

102 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:49:41pm

re: #101 FemNaziBitch

103 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:49:47pm
104 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:50:17pm
105 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:50:54pm

All together now, sing…
(to the tune of “How many roads must a man walk down)

How many RTs must a meme go down,
Before it’s busted as false?
How many time must the Nut-Jobs hear,
Stop making that shit up?
How many lies can the Tea party tell,
before they go straight to hell?

The answer my friend, is posted in the thead,
the answer is posted in the thread?

RBS

106 thedopefishlives  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:51:00pm

re: #98 FemNaziBitch

You know, this is why I wonder about the virginity for women until marriage meme. If you are a women and only have one lover and that lover isn’t really all that concerned about your pleasure (because you aren’t suppossed to have pleasure) or is a totally bad lover, you aren’t going to enjoy sex.

You are, in fact, going to hate it and wonder why any women would want sex.

Sick, twisted purity bullshit.

And so the myth is perpetuated, as men tell their daughters that virgins are “what men want” and women tell their daughters that sex isn’t all that great and it’s not worth giving it up before marriage. Now, to be fair, I still wouldn’t want my daughter sleeping around with every Tom, Dick, and Harry; but I’m not going to condemn her if she does.

107 Gus  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:56:28pm

re: #103 FemNaziBitch

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Nope.

108 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:56:41pm

re: #72 thedopefishlives

Realize that many of these people don’t HAVE sex. At least not with each other, that is. It shames and embarrasses me how many public spokesmen and spokeswomen for Christianity indulge in extramarital affairs while their spouses suffer silently, playing the dutiful Christian partner while their supposed soulmate is gallivanting around with whomever they can get into their bed.

IOKIYAP.

* Politician, pundit, personality, …

109 thedopefishlives  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:57:39pm

re: #108 chadu

IOKIYAP.

* Politician, pundit, personality, …

I had to Google that one. I learned something today.

110 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:58:05pm

re: #104 FemNaziBitch

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I’m old enough to remember when the Republican party pretended it cared about people participating in elections.

111 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:58:54pm

re: #90 FemNaziBitch

because Science is tooo hard and lady parts are porn.

They never got the memo that Comstock was a misogynist.

Comstock was a lode of chode.

112 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:59:32pm

re: #91 thedopefishlives

For the evangelical Protestants, sex is usually a “dirty little secret” that fine upstanding Christian folk don’t engage in unless they’re making babies. Hence why they have to keep mistresses of loose morals whom they can turn their suppressed lustful desires on. Let’s just say that getting an otherwise plain and upright evangelical into your bed can be an, er, “enlightening” experience.

Now I have the fear.

113 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:00:40pm

re: #108 chadu

IOKIYAP.

* Politician, pundit, personality, …

I think it was Newt Gingrich that mansplained some significant douchebaggery to one of his wives on the grounds that he ‘was thinking of the nation’ or some such smarmy bullcrap.

Of course all these jackasses think this way, so the surprise was seeing it admitted. Unfortunately, I’m having a hard time finding a link.

114 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:00:51pm

re: #96 wrenchwench

Here’s a horsie instead of a kitteh. This is the drive up window at the local Wendy’s.

[Embedded image]

Later, lizards.

I hope the horsie got a salad and fries.

115 thedopefishlives  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:02:04pm

re: #112 chadu

Now I have the fear.

Haha, no, it’s definitely not a bad thing. Although I don’t doubt that there are some stick-in-the-mud evangelicals for whom sex might be as boring and un-pleasurable as they think it is, some of them definitely register on the kink-o-meter.

116 jaunte  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:02:49pm
117 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:02:59pm

In other news the Wife got her car (91Honda Civic DX) back from the shop today. The final bill for the engine transplant was $1300 (and change). Replacement engine cost $680.00. And some people wonder why we overpay on income tax. It’s so we can afford these types of repairs at the beginning of the year and still have a bit left over for other nonessential amusements.

118 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:03:34pm

re: #113 EPR-radar

I think it was Newt Gingrich that mansplained some significant douchebaggery to one of his wives on the grounds that he ‘was thinking of the nation’ or some such smarmy bullcrap.

Of course all these jackasses think this way, so the surprise was seeing it admitted. Unfortunately, I’m having a hard time finding a link.

Yes, that was Newt. Another conservative practicing personal responsibility.

119 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:05:04pm

re: #116 jaunte

Newt Gingrich: ‘Passion for the country’ led to personal indiscretions

He’s a sleazeball. I thought so when I was 8 when he and the other assholes shut down the government for the first time in the Clinton years and that opinion hasn’t changed as I approach 27.

120 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:05:54pm

By the by, self-reply:

Overheard two flavors of racism today: anti-black *and* antisemitism. In an area where African-Americans and Jews are a small fraction of the population.

As of the census[5] of 2000, there were 202,897 people, 81,130 households, and 56,060 families residing in the county. The population density was 237 people per square mile (91/km²). There were 87,267 housing units at an average density of 102 per square mile (39/km²). The racial makeup of the county was 95.27% White, 3.26% Black or African American, 0.09% Native American, 0.36% Asian, 0.02% Pacific Islander, 0.19% from other races, and 0.82% from two or more races. 0.58% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race. 18.3% were of German, 17.2% Italian, 10.6% Irish, 8.6% English, 7.9% Polish and 6.2% American ancestry according to Census 2000.

121 jaunte  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:06:52pm

re: #119 HappyWarrior

“There’s no question at times of my life, partially driven by how passionately I felt about this country, that I worked far too hard and things happened in my life that were not appropriate”

Those crazy things, always happening. No agency, no responsibility.

122 Bear  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:07:30pm

re: #114 chadu

Hope there was a street sweeper there. Just in case!!!!

123 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:07:41pm

re: #110 HappyWarrior

I’m old enough to remember when the Republican party pretended it cared about people participating in elections.

Me too. The days when the Republicans pretended to care about labor are before my time.

124 TedStriker  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:08:28pm

re: #79 BongCrodny

How about you forward them this one:

Who’s Not Paying Taxes?

Librul lies!!!!11ty

///

125 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:08:48pm

re: #121 jaunte

Those crazy things, always happening. No agency, no responsibility.

Such things can be surgically removed if they prove to be too troublesome.

126 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:08:49pm

re: #121 jaunte

Those crazy things, always happening. No agency, no responsibility.

You know what, I wouldn’t even care if he didn’t try to act like a moralist asshole like when he fully opposes equality for same sex couples or when he whines about secularism. Gingrich always was a fraudulent piece of shit masquerading as an intellectual. That’s what bothers me about right wing assholes. I don’t care what Gingrich does behind closed doors but stop it with this whole facade that you’re a more moral person than I am because you’re a conservative.

127 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:08:50pm

re: #121 jaunte

Those crazy things, always happening. No agency, no responsibility.

In other words, Newt, you committed adultery. An action you condemn in others.

128 thedopefishlives  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:09:24pm

re: #126 HappyWarrior

You know what, I wouldn’t even care if he didn’t try to act like a moralist asshole like when he fully opposes equality for same sex couples or when he whines about secularism. Gingrich always was a fraudulent piece of shit masquerading as an intellectual. That’s what bothers me about right wing assholes. I don’t care what Gingrich does behind closed doors but stop it with this whole facade that you’re a more moral person than I am because you’re a conservative.

I regret that I have but one upding to give this post.

129 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:09:53pm

re: #123 EPR-radar

Me too. The days when the Republicans pretended to care about labor are before my time.

“Mommy, was that when the dinosaurs were around?” But seriously, it’s like Republican office holders like Walker know that they’re dead on arrival with higher turn out so they have to cry fraud to do everything possible to suppress voter turnout.

130 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:10:33pm

re: #115 thedopefishlives

Haha, no, it’s definitely not a bad thing. Although I don’t doubt that there are some stick-in-the-mud evangelicals for whom sex might be as boring and un-pleasurable as they think it is, some of them definitely register on the kink-o-meter.

Of course, but I thought of this:

[Blackadder is trying to find a princess to marry Prince George.]

Edmund: Caroline of Brunswick is the only available princess in Europe.

Baldrick: And what’s wrong with her?

E: “Get more coffee! It’s horrid! Change it! Take me roughly from behind! No, not like that, like this! Trousers off! Tackle out! Walk the dog! Where’s my presents?”

B: (flustered) All right! Which one do you want me to do first?

E: No, that’s what Caroline’s like. She is famous for having the worst personality in Germany. And as you can imagine, that’s up against some pretty stiff competition.

131 jaunte  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:10:40pm

re: #126 HappyWarrior

Yes, it’s pretty revealing that he goes passive and just can’t step up and admit he decided to do something he would point at as wrong.

132 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:11:41pm

re: #131 jaunte

Yes, it’s pretty revealing that he goes passive and just can’t step up and admit he decided to do something he would point at as wrong.

Classic narcissist. You know the thing he’s accused Obama of being many a time. He’s one 90’s fad that I thought we had left in the 90’s but then he decided to run for president two years ago and I think I heard hasn’t ruled it out again.

133 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:11:44pm

re: #126 HappyWarrior

You know what, I wouldn’t even care if he didn’t try to act like a moralist asshole like when he fully opposes equality for same sex couples or when he whines about secularism. Gingrich always was a fraudulent piece of shit masquerading as an intellectual. That’s what bothers me about right wing assholes. I don’t care what Gingrich does behind closed doors but stop it with this whole facade that you’re a more moral person than I am because you’re a conservative.

I was fully aware of the travesty of the Clinton impeachment at the time, but still voted for W in 2000. As I recall, Gore had some issues as a candidate that provided excuses for me to vote (R). This bit of stupidity has since been cured.

134 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:12:04pm

gah!

135 freetoken  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:12:04pm

re: #99 Gus

Cat riding a horse backwards.

Not unlike a monkey riding a pig backwards.

Without the music.

136 Kragar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:12:44pm

re: #134 FemNaziBitch

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gah!

If anyone is an expert on being the biggest tool, its Issa.

137 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:13:05pm

re: #117 Bubblehead II

In other news the Wife got her car (91Honda Civic DX) back from the shop today. The final bill for the engine transplant was $1300 (and change). Replacement engine cost $680.00. And some people wonder why we overpay on income tax. It’s so we can afford these types of repairs at the beginning of the year and still have a bit left over for other nonessential amusements.

FYI, your engine replacement costs the same as what that abovementioned estimate from my helpful friend for bodywork on my 10 year old Toyota Matrix.

Things that make you go hmmm.

138 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:13:16pm

re: #133 EPR-radar

I was fully aware of the travesty of the Clinton impeachment at the time, but still voted for W in 2000. As I recall, Gore had some issues as a candidate that provided excuses for me to vote (R). This bit of stupidity has since been cured.

I was only 13. Big Gore backer but I admit that was mainly because I come from a large Democratic family and Bush seemed “stupid.” Even though to be honest with you, I’d rather Bush be the defacto head of the GOP now than the clown circus that runs it now unde rObama. Bush at least wasn’t a total dickhead and wasn’t a xenophobic dick.

139 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:13:58pm

re: #134 FemNaziBitch

That headline just begs to be shortened to “Darrell Issa: The biggest Tool”.

140 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:14:06pm

re: #134 FemNaziBitch

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gah!

So you plan to waste the taxpayers’ money in a shame campaign. Why aren’t you fiscally conservative.

141 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:15:08pm
142 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:15:10pm

re: #128 thedopefishlives

I regret that I have but one upding to give this post.

Here, you can use this:

143 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:15:46pm
144 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:15:58pm

re: #84 Gus

Burn! Maybe Alouette can do that. I really try to avoid these people most of the time.

Done that.

145 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:18:22pm

“just couldn’t get to the bank before it closed”

???

146 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:19:19pm

Alan Grayson is getting Dkos all riled up
Come clean on deadly drone activities

Three years ago last week, a U.S. drone strike hit the small town of Datta Khel in Pakistan. Local business owners and leaders were in the midst of a two-day tribal council meeting, called to address a dispute regarding a chromite mine in the area. Local authorities had been notified about the meeting, which is a traditional forum employed to resolve community conflicts.

As the second day of the meeting commenced, missiles fell from the sky, ripping into the gathered crowd. Shrapnel and rock ruptured outward from the blasts. A new video on the Datta Khel strike from Brave New Films speaks to the havoc wrought by the attack. Though estimates of casualties and injuries vary, a United Nations report released this month states that more than 40 people died in the Datta Khel strike. Another 14 were wounded. The impact of the attack was substantial - a large number of tribal elders were reportedly killed and wounded - and it devastated Datta Khel, as well as the surrounding communities. Pakistani officials strongly condemned the attack, calling it a violation of human rights.

Despite media coverage and human rights investigations that covered the Datta Khel strike, the American government has not acknowledged that the strike occurred, or provided any other details on the incident. As such, it remains incredibly difficult to confirm numbers, identities, and other details of the victims of the Datta Khel strike - or any other U.S. drone attacks.

He should have checked Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org

A security official in Peshawar said that the building that was attacked was used as a training location and meeting place for militants.[4] A car that was transporting additional suspected militants near the location of the primary target was also fired upon.[5]

Of those killed, a Pakistani security official said that eleven Taliban personnel were killed in the attack, while the remainder were civilians.[1] According to a local tribesman, however, the suspected militants were actually a group of tribal elders from a nearby village who were having a business meeting.[7] The meeting was said to be regarding the disputed sale of a chromite mine in the area.[8] The tribesman said that a commander loyal to Bahadur, Sharabat Khan, was present, but only because he was also a tribal elder.[7] Khan was reported to have been killed in the attack.[5] After the attack the Taliban faction led by Hafiz Gul Bahadur threatened to cancel the peace deal with Pakistani government to protest the governments inability to halt drone attacks.[2

147 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:19:20pm

re: #145 FemNaziBitch

Certain elements of the GOP start feverishly taking notes…

148 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:19:21pm
149 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:19:37pm

re: #145 FemNaziBitch

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“just couldn’t get to the bank before it closed”

???

Can I have about 10 K of that for my summer trip?

150 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:20:01pm

re: #148 Pie-onist Overlord

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If he was president, we’d still have Polio.

151 jaunte  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:20:36pm

re: #148 Pie-onist Overlord

* Trump requires assistant to explain pop-culture reference *

152 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:21:06pm

re: #145 FemNaziBitch

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“just couldn’t get to the bank before it closed”

???

What… that’s the petty cash fund, you know, office supplies, cake for a birthday party, occasional 2nd home in Switzerland.

RBS

153 freetoken  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:21:11pm

re: #145 FemNaziBitch

The gray bills are Euros, while the greenish ones are US dollars?

154 jaunte  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:21:48pm

A major funder of “creation museums” has been selected — strange as it may seem — to be the commencement speaker at Montana’s leading institution of science, Montana Tech, the mining and engineering school in Butte that has produced some of the world’s top geologists.

The speaker is Greg Gianforte, a conservative billionaire whose philanthropic endeavors include funding museums whose purpose is to discredit Darwinism and persuade visitors that the Earth is 6,000 years old, that North America’s geology was carved by Noah’s flood, and that dinosaurs coexisted with early humans.

155 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:21:49pm

re: #152 RealityBasedSteve

What… that’s the petty cash fund, you know, office supplies, cake for a birthday party, occasional 2nd home in Switzerland.

RBS

or as the rest of us call it, a good amount for a lifetime.

156 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:22:37pm

re: #155 HappyWarrior

or as the rest of us call it, a good amount for a lifetime.

A few weeks of compensation for a BigCorp CEO.

157 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:23:05pm

BTW if you’re going to retweet my #144, take off the mentions of the various wingnuts because of Teh Blockage.

158 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:23:18pm

I figured that $1800 to fix some dents and scrapes was probably too much.

And someone asking me if I were willing to pay that says something about how he views me.

159 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:23:33pm

re: #154 jaunte

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“So I ask you graduates to totally ignore everything you’ve learned about geology and believe every word of this thousand year old book is somehow incapable of human error and that those rocks you dated are only 6000 years old despite all evidence to the contrary.”

160 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:24:18pm

re: #156 EPR-radar

A few weeks of compensation for a BigCorp CEO.

Yeah. But they’re oppressed.

161 jaunte  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:24:54pm

re: #159 HappyWarrior

Plus, a bonus bigot:

The objectors are not only upset about Gianforte, but also the inclusion of his wife, Susan, in the program. She was invited to co-deliver the commencement speech with her husband. Susan Gianforte is a vociferous opponent of laws designed to protect gay people from being targets of discrimination. She believes businesses should have the legal right to refuse service to gay customers, and she has been leading the charge against an anti-discrimination ordinance that is now being debated by the city council of Bozeman, where the Gianfortes live.

162 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:26:03pm

Anyone know which congressman?

163 freetoken  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:26:13pm

Yes, the old deceptive practices are still active.

From today:

New bill gives Oklahoma science teachers the freedom to question their textbooks

Note how that OK tv station titled that piece.

Anyway, the story:

The debate over how science should be taught in Oklahoma classrooms is back.

Lawmakers say teachers need more freedom.
The Scientific Education and Academic Freedom Act makes its way on the agenda every year. It gives teachers the freedom to editorialize hot button issues like evolution and climate change.

The author, Representative Gus Blackwell believes science is wide open to a range of theories, while science educators disagree.

“This bill really is misunderstood by a lot of people,” says Blackwell.

Blackwell says the bill’s current language doesn’t mandate teaching creationism in the classroom, but instead gives teachers the right to talk about it and other scientific theories.

“We just say a lot of people say it so it must be true and that’s it and you need to accept it,” says Blackwell.
Blackwell says his law is needed to protect educators who want to explore what he calls controversial scientific issues, like evolution and climate change.

[…]

164 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:26:44pm

re: #153 freetoken

The gray bills are Euros, while the greenish ones are US dollars?

I was a bit to dazzled to look that closely.

:)

165 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:26:49pm

WELL, IF THEY GET SHOT, THEY’RE FUCKED.

166 dog philosopher  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:26:54pm

Average American Families Pays $6K a Year in Big Business Subsidies

The $6,000 figure is an average, which means that low-income families are paying less. But it also means that families (households) making over $72,000 are paying more than $6,000 to the corporations.

1. $870 for Direct Subsidies and Grants to Companies

The Cato Institute estimates that the US federal government spends $100 billion a year on corporate welfare. That’s an average of $870 for each one of America’s 115 million families. Cato notes that this includes “cash payments to farmers and research funds to high-tech companies, as well as indirect subsidies, such as funding for overseas promotion of specific US products and industries…It does not include tax preferences or trade restrictions.”

It does include payments to 374 individuals on the plush Upper East Side of New York City and others who own farms, including Bruce Springsteen, Bon Jovi and Ted Turner. Wealthy heir Mark Rockefeller received $342,000 to NOT farm, to allow his Idaho land to return to its natural state.

It also includes fossil fuel subsidies, which could be anywhere from $10 billion to $41 billion per year for research and development. Yet this may be substantially underestimated. The IMF reports US fossil fuel subsidies of $502 billion, which would be almost $4,400 per US family by taking into account “the effects of energy consumption on global warming [and] on public health through the adverse effects on local pollution.” According to Grist, even this is an underestimate.

167 TedStriker  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:27:11pm

re: #148 Pie-onist Overlord

Brawndo: It’s what plants crave!

168 jaunte  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:28:33pm

re: #165 Pie-onist Overlord

When it comes from the creepy Uncle Sam costume, you know it’s the troof.

usnews.com

169 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:29:06pm

re: #166 dog philosopher

Average American Families Pays $6K a Year in Big Business Subsidies

The $6,000 figure is an average, which means that low-income families are paying less. But it also means that families (households) making over $72,000 are paying more than $6,000 to the corporations.

1. $870 for Direct Subsidies and Grants to Companies

The Cato Institute estimates that the US federal government spends $100 billion a year on corporate welfare. That’s an average of $870 for each one of America’s 115 million families. Cato notes that this includes “cash payments to farmers and research funds to high-tech companies, as well as indirect subsidies, such as funding for overseas promotion of specific US products and industries…It does not include tax preferences or trade restrictions.”

It does include payments to 374 individuals on the plush Upper East Side of New York City and others who own farms, including Bruce Springsteen, Bon Jovi and Ted Turner. Wealthy heir Mark Rockefeller received $342,000 to NOT farm, to allow his Idaho land to return to its natural state.

It also includes fossil fuel subsidies, which could be anywhere from $10 billion to $41 billion per year for research and development. Yet this may be substantially underestimated. The IMF reports US fossil fuel subsidies of $502 billion, which would be almost $4,400 per US family by taking into account “the effects of energy consumption on global warming [and] on public health through the adverse effects on local pollution.” According to Grist, even this is an underestimate.

Not a word from this about people who flip out about having to indirectly pay contraception.

170 dog philosopher  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:29:21pm

There Are More #NRA Members Than People With #Obamacare

morons think obamacare == a policy from some government owned insurance entity

in reality, if you think things like the laws forbidding denial of insurance, every american has obamacare

171 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:29:22pm

re: #163 freetoken

Scientific advances in the past few centuries are the single greatest example of the power of truth and reason to make progress in all of human history.

Naturally that makes science anathema to the distillation of stupidity, malice and atavism more commonly known as US movement conservatism.

172 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:29:25pm

re: #149 HappyWarrior

Can I have about 10 K of that for my summer trip?

$9,999 and you won’t have to declare it to the IRS.

173 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:29:46pm

re: #137 chadu

FYI, your engine replacement costs the same as what that abovementioned estimate from my helpful friend for bodywork on my 10 year old Toyota Matrix.

Things that make you go hmmm.

Missed your post (want to give me its number?). But the work was done at a local Honda dealership (Middlekauff Honda). $1144.00 of what we paid was for labor.

If the engine conks out I can honestly say it (at this point) that I will not be pointing a finger at them as I did buy it used from a salvage yard in Utah.

174 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:30:28pm

re: #172 FemNaziBitch

$9,999 and you won’t have to declare it to the IRS.

Brilliant! (Drinks the first of many Guinnesses and buys everyone a round)

175 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:31:10pm

re: #143 FemNaziBitch

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176 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:31:20pm

If you see any retweets of sixonesixband, that is a white supremacist Twitter account. I blocked it but I keep seeing retweets of this shit.

177 freetoken  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:32:17pm

Salon ran the following story today and it has picked up some attention:

Right-wing billionaires, creationism and pseudo-science: Why is a wingnut giving commencement speech at Montana’s best tech college?

Local Montana outlet started this last night:

Tech students, profs irked over speakers

[…]

Greg and Susan Gianforte are best known for founding RightNow Technologies, a hugely successful software engineering company sold in 2012 for $1.5 billion. He is an electrical engineer and computer scientist by trade and she has a master’s degree in mechanical engineering and an MBA.

But the couple is also known for their involvement with an affiliate of Focus on the Family, and with the Heritage Foundation, a conservative political think tank in Washington, D.C. The Gianforte Family Foundation made a donation in 2009 to the Glendive Dinosaur and Fossil Museum, which presents a faith-based view that the world was created only a few thousand years ago and that humans coexisted with dinosaurs. And Susan Gianforte recently testified against an ordinance proposed in Bozeman that would bar discriminating against people because of their sexual orientation, a measure based on a similar law passed in Butte last month.

[…]

178 jaunte  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:32:41pm

re: #169 HappyWarrior

Not a word from this about people who flip out about having to indirectly pay contraception.

Here, I’ll give it a shot:

Nobody poor ever gave me a job!!!

179 Swift2991  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:32:57pm

Plan B, Elle and the others aren’t abortifacients, either. They are legal contraceptives. “Take four pills”— or whatever— “instead of two,” does not cause abortions. It does decrease the fertility dial, but children can still be conceived and later born even if your mom took the pill. I find myself in the position of the Catholic who invented the pill: the hormones are natural, but careful dosages and timing can control conception. Surely, he thought, the “unnatural” charge against contraception can’t be used here: this is a normal property of estrogen and progesterone.

If this produces what could be called “abortions,” then women could be jailed if they had a normal menstruation.

180 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:33:04pm

re: #173 Bubblehead II

Missed your post (want to give me its number?).

#92.

181 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:33:47pm

re: #158 chadu

I figured that $1800 to fix some dents and scrapes was probably too much.

And someone asking me if I were willing to pay that says something about how he views me.

Chump?

182 Lidane  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:34:44pm
183 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:34:51pm

re: #178 jaunte

Here, I’ll give it a shot:

Nobody poor ever gave me a job!!!

Nobody poor ever paid any taxes ever for anything, amen!

184 TedStriker  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:35:12pm

re: #170 dog philosopher

There Are More #NRA Members Than People With #Obamacare

morons think obamacare == a policy from some government owned insurance entity

in reality, if you think things like the laws forbidding denial of insurance, every american has obamacare

If the wingnuts ever pried themselves away from Rush and Hannity and really thought about it that way, they’d majorly flip their shit.

185 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:35:57pm

Pelosi Says She ‘Knows More About Having Babies Than the Pope’ - See more at: cnsnews.com

Mother Of Five Is Attacked For Saying She ‘Knows More About Having Babies Than The Pope’ (VIDEO)

186 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:36:22pm

re: #181 Bubblehead II

Chump?

That might be too harsh. Body work is notoriously expensive. I was rear-ended at low speed a few years ago, and IIRC the insurance paid over $1K to fix some remarkably minor-appearing damage.

187 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:36:37pm

re: #178 jaunte

Here, I’ll give it a shot:

Nobody poor ever gave me a job!!!

Rand Paul said that. However since he represents a state that has a 20% poverty rate APPARENTLY HE GOT HIS JRRB FROM POOR PEOPLE.

There is a meme for that but I can’t find it now.

188 jaunte  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:36:40pm
189 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:37:53pm

re: #181 Bubblehead II

I figured that $1800 to fix some dents and scrapes was probably too much.

And someone asking me if I were willing to pay that says something about how he views me.

Chump?

Yeah, I’m afraid that’s it.

I’ve only known this guy a couple months in passing, but the combination of trying to hustle me and thinking I’ve quite plainly just fallen off the turnip truck really puts a damper on my future interactions with him.

190 Kragar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:38:10pm

Fucking Molon Labe bullshit again.

191 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:39:06pm

re: #186 EPR-radar

That might be too harsh. Body work is notoriously expensive. I was rear-ended at low speed a few years ago, and IIRC the insurance paid over $1K to fix some remarkably minor-appearing damage.

Okay, I feel a little better about this fellow.

A little.

192 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:39:24pm
193 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:39:46pm

re: #190 Kragar

Fucking Molon Labe bullshit again.

Remember: “Come and take” means they are totes cool if someone can actually take their shit.

194 Kragar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:40:16pm

“Come and take it!”

OK, here is the State Police with a SWAT team to arrest you for failure to pay taxes and illegal weapon charges.

Your move dumbasses.

195 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:41:09pm

re: #191 chadu

Okay, I feel a little better about this fellow.

A little.

One thing that might be worth doing is getting an estimate from a body shop for the repairs. That way you wouldn’t be guessing as much about whether or not this is an honest offer.

196 Kragar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:41:45pm

re: #193 chadu

Remember: “Come and take” means they are totes cool if someone can actually take their shit.

They want to play the “might makes right” game against police officers, they can go right ahead.

197 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:41:52pm

re: #195 EPR-radar

One thing that might be worth doing is getting an estimate from a body shop for the repairs. That way you wouldn’t be guessing as much about whether or not this is an honest offer.

Good point.

198 jaunte  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:42:52pm
199 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:42:56pm

Hobby Lobby is one company that will not get my business. Buck Knives is also another company that will not get my business. Please read this from their website. buckknives.com

200 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:44:01pm

re: #196 Kragar

They want to play the “might makes right” game against police officers, they can go right ahead.

Or with AR-15s against tanks: sure, knock yourself out, Spartacus.

PRO-TIP: Spartacus either died in battle, was crucified, or just ran away.

201 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:45:55pm

re: #199 PhillyPretzel

Hobby Lobby is one company that will not get my business. Buck Knives is also another company that will not get my business. Please read this from their website. buckknives.com

Does Buck have a history of obnoxious activism on social issues? “God as senior partner” (as at the link) is loopy, but harmless by itself.

202 TedStriker  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:47:27pm

re: #199 PhillyPretzel

Hobby Lobby is one company that will not get my business. Buck Knives is also another company that will not get my business. Please read this from their website. buckknives.com

I’m at work, so I can’t get on Buck’s site right now (Barracuda Web Filter: “Weapons”); Cliff’s Notes version, please?

203 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:47:50pm

re: #201 EPR-radar

Does Buck have a history of obnoxious activism on social issues? “God as senior partner” (as at the link) is loopy, but harmless by itself.

Don’t know about that. Do know they haven’t made a decent blade in ages.

CRKT gets my money when I need a blade.

204 Kragar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:48:10pm

re: #200 chadu

Or with AR-15s against tanks: sure, knock yourself out, Spartacus.

PRO-TIP: Spartacus either died in battle, was crucified, or just ran away.

Leonidas “Come and take it!”

Died in the battle

205 TedStriker  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:49:07pm

re: #203 William Barnett-Lewis

Don’t know about that. Do know they haven’t made a decent blade in ages.

CRKT gets my money when I need a blade.

I’m a Gerber fan myself.

206 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:49:11pm
Catholic health-care providers in particular have long said they’d have to go out of business without the conscience protections that Pelosi says amount to letting hospitals “say to a woman, ‘I’m sorry you could die’ if you don’t get an abortion.” Those who dispute that characterization “may not like the language,” she said, “but the truth is what I said. I’m a devout Catholic and I honor my faith and love it . . . but they have this conscience thing” that she insists put women at physical risk, although Catholic providers strongly disagree.

On one occasion, she said, laughing, one of her critics on the topic of abortion, speaking on the House floor, said, “Nancy Pelosi thinks she knows more about having babies than the pope. They think like this. And of course I do — I think the pope would agree — and I know more than you, too, mister.”

The male colleague who said isn’t named in anything I can find.

207 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:49:33pm

re: #202 TedStriker

If you are a new Buck knife owner, “welcome aboard.” You are now part of a very large family. Although we’re talking about a few million people, we still like to think of each one of our users as a member of the Buck Knives Family and take a personal interest in the product that was bought. With normal use, you should never have to buy another.

Now that you are family, you might like to know a little more about our organization. The fantastic growth of Buck Knives was no accident. From the beginning, management determined to make God the Senior Partner. In a crisis, the problem was turned over to Him, and He hasn’t failed to help us with the answer. Each product must reflect the integrity of management, including our Senior Partner. If sometimes we fail on our end, because we are human, we find it imperative to do our utmost to make it right. Of course, to us, besides being Senior Partner, He is our Heavenly Father also; and it’s a great blessing to us to have this security in these troubled times. If any of you are troubled or perplexed and looking for answers, may we invite you to look to Him, for God loves you.

“For God so loved the world that he gave His only begotten son; that whoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John: 3:16

- Al Buck

208 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:49:37pm

Duplicate of quote in #207 deleted.

If this is all there is to the religion of Buck Knives, its mostly harmless.

209 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:50:11pm

4 seconds. Yeesh.

210 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:50:27pm

re: #186 EPR-radar

That might be too harsh. Body work is notoriously expensive. I was rear-ended at low speed a few years ago, and IIRC the insurance paid over $1K to fix some remarkably minor-appearing damage.

Bet they said they had to replace the panel/bumper/ect using OEM parts (at cost plus mark up) and then knocked out the dings or used after market parts and a quick patch job.

Been there, done that, caught them. Called the insurance company and had the “repairs” inspected.

To say the least, they were not happy and refused to pay the full cost and removed (so they said) the repair shop from their approved list.

Auto Insurance fraud is a big business.

211 freetoken  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:50:44pm

re: #199 PhillyPretzel

They used to be made here (in San Diego county), until they started to whine about oppressive regulation or something, and moved up to the Great White North.

They weren’t too far from the original ICR, which moved to TX.

Oh, look at this little piece of propaganda in Wikipedia, under Buck Knives:

In 2005, the company relocated to Post Falls, Idaho.[12] Leaders of the San Diego business community considered this move a blow to San Diego County’s economic landscape and a symbol of the state of California’s problems in attracting and keeping businesses.[12]

212 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:51:21pm

re: #204 Kragar

Leonidas “Come and take it!”

Died in the battle

The Persians came and took it.

213 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:51:46pm

Because God wants you to have a big-ass knife to stab people with.

214 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:52:46pm
215 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:53:46pm

*SIGH*

216 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:54:08pm

re: #211 freetoken

These leaders of the San Diego business community are most likely raving wingnuts.

217 Lidane  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:54:29pm

re: #213 Charles Johnson

Because God wants you to have a big-ass knife to stab people with.

I wonder if God adheres to the so-called 21 foot rule.

218 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:54:33pm
219 TedStriker  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:54:36pm

re: #207 PhillyPretzel

If you are a new Buck knife owner, “welcome aboard.” You are now part of a very large family. Although we’re talking about a few million people, we still like to think of each one of our users as a member of the Buck Knives Family and take a personal interest in the product that was bought. With normal use, you should never have to buy another.

Now that you are family, you might like to know a little more about our organization. The fantastic growth of Buck Knives was no accident. From the beginning, management determined to make God the Senior Partner. In a crisis, the problem was turned over to Him, and He hasn’t failed to help us with the answer. Each product must reflect the integrity of management, including our Senior Partner. If sometimes we fail on our end, because we are human, we find it imperative to do our utmost to make it right. Of course, to us, besides being Senior Partner, He is our Heavenly Father also; and it’s a great blessing to us to have this security in these troubled times. If any of you are troubled or perplexed and looking for answers, may we invite you to look to Him, for God loves you.

“For God so loved the world that he gave His only begotten son; that whoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John: 3:16

- Al Buck

Keep in mind that this was written almost 40 years ago (and the man that wrote it has been dead over 20); as far as corporate religiousity goes, that seems pretty damn innocuous.

220 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:55:48pm

re: #205 TedStriker

I’m a Gerber fan myself.

I’ve bought them in the past, nothing wrong with them. Stopped after discovering I liked CRKT even better - better steel, better designs, better prices. But I am not going to sell my first run Gerber Applegate Fairbairn folder ;)

221 Lidane  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:55:53pm

re: #215 Pie-onist Overlord

Howitzers and tactical nukes for everybody!

//////////

222 jaunte  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:56:33pm

re: #215 Pie-onist Overlord

How could anyone believe a capable writer like George Washington would add such a clunky appendage to one of his sentences.

223 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:56:52pm

Washington personally led troops to put down anti-tax uprisings. TWICE.

224 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:57:16pm

re: #222 jaunte

How could anyone believe a capable writer like George Washington would add such a clunky appendage to one of his sentences.

BECAUSE TROOF U COMMUNIST!!!!!!!

225 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:57:24pm

re: #219 TedStriker

This is also inserted into every knife they sell. For me it is a bit intrusive. I rather have a Swiss Army (Wenger) knife.

226 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:57:40pm
227 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:57:48pm

re: #223 Pie-onist Overlord

Washington personally led troops to put down anti-tax uprisings. TWICE.

228 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:57:48pm

re: #222 jaunte

How could anyone believe a capable writer like George Washington would add such a clunky appendage to one of his sentences.

Be fair. The forged addition is a sentence fragment on its own.

Edited to add: Or not, if the idiot who made this up uses a font where the . and the , are almost completely indistinguishable.

229 jaunte  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:58:18pm

“It’s totally about the government!” #tcot #lnyhbt
— George Washington

230 Kragar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:59:22pm

6 Things Rich People Need to Stop Saying

“Stop Asking for Handouts! I Never Got Help from Anybody!”

for the rich, this somehow gets extended to the absolutely delusional idea that they exist on a purely self-sufficient island, in an ocean full of shiftless layabouts always asking to borrow their stuff.

And you literally hear people express it this way — in libertarian circles they refer to it as “Going Galt” (as in John Galt, the hero of Atlas Shrugged) — fed up rich people just disconnecting from this annoying “society” thing that’s bleeding them dry. If you live in my part of the country, you’ll hear hard-working, rural farmer types say, “I got my own piece of land, I grow my own food, all I want is to be left alone.” All right, well tell me this, cowboy:

Let’s say some mean, even richer guy, like a wealthy gangsta rapper, hired a bunch of armed thugs to come take your farm. What would you do? Your shotgun won’t fend them off — they have a hundred bigger shotguns. What will you do, call the cops? That is, other people, who will risk their lives while being paid with still other people’s tax money, who will try these bad guys in a court funded by yet other people’s tax money, under laws passed by legislators paid with other people’s tax money? Whoa, slow down there, welfare queen!

But if none of that stuff existed, there would be nothing stopping Jay-Z from taking your farm. In other words, you don’t “own” shit. The entire concept of owning anything, be it a hunk of land or a house or a fucking sandwich, exists purely because other people pay other armed men to protect it. Without society, all of your brave, individual talents and efforts won’t buy you a bucket of farts.

231 Kragar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:59:50pm

re: #223 Pie-onist Overlord

Washington personally led troops to put down anti-tax uprisings. TWICE.

He also thought “militias” were useless rabble.

232 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:59:58pm
233 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:00:00pm

re: #223 Pie-onist Overlord

Washington personally led troops to put down anti-tax uprisings. TWICE.

Which would also be the only times a sitting US president has personally led troops in battle.

234 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:00:08pm

re: #96 wrenchwench

Here’s a horsie instead of a kitteh. This is the drive up window at the local Wendy’s.

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Later, lizards.

Stores around here have hitching posts in their parking lots. Walmart here in my hometown even put up a steel “carport” so the buggies can get out of the weather while they shop.

235 freetoken  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:00:37pm

The usual crowd is really trumpeting this:

IPCC author says draft climate report alarmist; pulls out of team

Richard Tol, the subject of the article, has been part of Lomborg’s circle, and get’s put on the GOP list of people to quote about climate, etc.

Thing is, and this is why the subtle loses to the politics, Tol does not deny that humans are changing the climate. He’s part of the crowd that points out that there will be “winners” as well as losers.

What’s happening here is subtle on many levels. Part of this is the ability of an academic, Tol, to find a way to become well known in his field - economics - without having to win the Nobel. Part of this thing about the IPCC screams “work” (in the carney sense).

236 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:00:45pm

re: #227 chadu

I though it was only the Whiskey Rebellion that he lead the militia against? Shays’ was under the Articles government and was localized to Massachusetts. I don’t remember any other major tax rebellion.

237 Kragar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:02:08pm

re: #232 Pie-onist Overlord

238 RadicalModerate  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:03:27pm

Hey, Daily Caller - why not just change your name to VDare or American Renaissance and just take the mask completely off?

I mean, no race-baiting at all with this headline.
FBI severs ties with liberal, domestic terrorism-inspiring Southern Poverty Law Center

Of course, the white nationalist-affiliated hate group Family Research Council tacitly approves.

“Any association between the federal government and an entity that is connected in federal court to domestic terrorism should be a no-brainer; it just shouldn’t happen,” said FRC’s executive vice president, Lt. Gen. (Ret.) Jerry Boykin in a statement provided to TheDC. “Last year the U.S. Secretary of the Army described the Southern Poverty Law Center’s hate labeling of Christian groups as ‘inaccurate, objectionable, and otherwise inconsistent with current Army policy.’ We agree. We once again call on the SPLC to stop demonizing pro-family organizations simply because we stand for different values.”

239 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:04:21pm
As long as she thinks of a man, nobody objects to a woman thinking.

Virginia Woolf
Orlando

240 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:05:27pm

re: #237 Kragar

It is unnatural to expect wingnuts to trust books. After all, wingnut books are lying propaganda tracts, and it is only natural for wingnuts to assume other authors have the same purpose in writing books.

241 jaunte  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:09:13pm

Mount Vernon fact-checking is a socialist plot!

242 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:10:49pm

re: #236 William Barnett-Lewis

I though it was only the Whiskey Rebellion that he lead the militia against? Shays’ was under the Articles government and was localized to Massachusetts. I don’t remember any other major tax rebellion.

I think you’re right: that was General Lincoln in Shays’.

243 dog philosopher  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:16:53pm

re: #240 EPR-radar

It is unnatural to expect wingnuts to trust books. After all, wingnut books are lying propaganda tracts, and it is only natural for wingnuts to assume other authors have the same purpose in writing books.

all dictionaries were written by socialists

FACT

244 BongCrodny  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:19:55pm

re: #238 RadicalModerate

Hey, Daily Caller - why not just change your name to VDare or American Renaissance and just take the mask completely off?

I mean, no race-baiting at all with this headline.
FBI severs ties with liberal, domestic terrorism-inspiring Southern Poverty Law Center

Of course, the white nationalist-affiliated hate group Family Research Council tacitly approves.

Jerry Boykin, Jerry Boykin — where have I heard that name before?

PFAW: The Mythical Martyrdome of Jerry Boykin

Since he retired, Boykin became an ordained minister and has been a regular speaker at Religious Right and right-wing events, where he has not only demonized Muslims, but also claimed that since Islam is not a religion but a “totalitarian way of life,” and since Muslims are under an “obligation to destroy our Constitution,” American Muslims are not protected under the First Amendment’s guarantees of religious liberty.

Sounds *exactly* like the kind of guy that belongs on SPLC’s hate list.

245 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:23:48pm

re: #231 Kragar

He also thought “militias” were useless rabble.

That’s not really true. Over time he came to see their true value, which lay in controlling areas of countryside away from the main population centers, serving as ‘feeder’ units for the Continental Army, providing scouts and sharpshooters, and conducting guerrilla warfare. What George Washington understood militia were not normally useful for was pitched battle against regular troops, a circumstance in which most militia units’ relative lack of discipline and bayonets left them at a terminal disadvantage.

246 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:28:04pm

re: #189 chadu

Chump?

Yeah, I’m afraid that’s it.

I’ve only known this guy a couple months in passing, but the combination of trying to hustle me and thinking I’ve quite plainly just fallen off the turnip truck really puts a damper on my future interactions with him.

Hey, that’s why I shopped around. Was defiantly surprise when the low bid came in from the dealership. The others gave a “low ball” ($950.00) estimate but when asked, the estimate didn’t include incidentals like seals, gaskets, fluids belts, plugs and wires in the estimate. They hemed and hawed about it. The dealership didn’t. They gave me a base amount of $1100.00 but also warned me that it could be higher depending upon the condition of the replacement engine. Final cost for the transfer was $200.00 more than estimated. But they also called and asked if I would approve further costs. I can live with that.

247 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:37:22pm

re: #205 TedStriker

I’m a Gerber fan myself.

Mk 1 owner. Good knife. Too bad they don’t make them anymore.

248 darthstar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 10:30:46pm
249 Ojoe  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:07:21pm

Get a grip Charles

250 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 10:21:12am

re: #249 Ojoe

Get a grip Charles

Said the creationist.

251 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 10:22:39am

Oops, sorry - were you trying to get the last comment with that stupid remark?


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