Donald Trump: Birther, Anti-Vaxxer

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Are you surprised to find out that right wing Birther Donald Trump is also opposed to vaccinations?

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1 bratwurst  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:00:32pm
2 Kragar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:00:59pm

My shock, let me show you.

3 freetoken  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:01:25pm

But he’s rich, so he must be right.

4 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:06:24pm

LOLWUT

5 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:10:14pm

There is some major butthurt over the stupid Russell Crowe “Noah” movie.

6 Kragar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:10:57pm

re: #5 Pie-onist Overlord

There is some major butthurt over the stupid Russell Crowe “Noah” movie.

Funny that you mention that:

7 dog philosopher  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:12:33pm

re: #5 Pie-onist Overlord

There is some major butthurt over the stupid Russell Crowe “Noah” movie.

not enough smiting?

8 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:12:42pm

re: #5 Pie-onist Overlord

There is some major butthurt over the stupid Russell Crowe “Noah” movie.

Not too surprising. The whole concept of the ark is so farcical than any attempt to show it in a movie is going to give rise to suspension of disbelief issues that are a BFD because of stupid biblical literalists.

9 Lidane  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:15:20pm

Nullification: It’s Not Just for Neo-Confederates Anymore —

10 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:15:39pm

Erick Erick is in a seething rage over this movie. DUDE IT’S JUST A MOVIE.

11 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:15:42pm
In conclusion, our study shows that up-front acquisition costs are inaccurate predictors of the economic value of competing contraceptive methods, and that investments in contraception provide substantial economic savings and social benefits.We believe those savings justify providing broader contraceptive coverage in the context of voluntary family planning and informed consent. Highly efective methods provide the greatest cost savings, but all of the methods studied are clearly cost-efective.
12 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:16:22pm
13 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:18:04pm

There has been an outrage
Colbert Tweet Triggers Firestorm, #CancelColbert Twitter Trend

14 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:18:53pm

re: #2 Kragar

Nice LloydKeaton-deploy, K.

Edited because I stoopid.

15 TedStriker  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:19:10pm

re: #2 Kragar

My shock, let me show you.

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Buster looks a bit stoned there…early case of “reefer madness”?

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16 Mentis Fugit  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:19:55pm

re: #10 Pie-onist Overlord

Erick Erick is in a seething rage over this movie. DUDE IT’S JUST A MOVIE.

Not if your faith is as brittle as Erick’s, it’s not.

17 jaunte  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:20:39pm

re: #16 Mentis Fugit

They’re not telling his story the right way.

18 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:20:40pm

re: #10 Pie-onist Overlord

Erick Erick is in a seething rage over this movie. DUDE IT’S JUST A MOVIE.

Do you have a link for this bit of EE derp, or is it on Twitter?

19 Kragar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:20:46pm

re: #16 Mentis Fugit

Not if your faith is as brittle as Erick’s, it’s not.

He’s got another 3 or 4 months till he’s due for sex again, so he’s starting to get fidegety

20 dog philosopher  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:21:22pm

re: #10 Pie-onist Overlord

Erick Erick is in a seething rage over this movie. DUDE IT’S JUST A MOVIE.

The problem is that you have an ego-maniacal atheist director who’s given the finger to the Christian community

any more of this and we hebrews will be demanding you stop pretending that the old testament is a christian book and GIVE IT BACK

21 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:21:22pm

re: #18 EPR-radar

Do you have a link for this bit of EE derp, or is it on Twitter?

22 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:22:25pm

re: #19 Kragar

He’s got another 3 or 4 months till he’s due for sex again, so he’s starting to get fidegety

He should just grab a bunch of hand tools and farm implements and get on with it.

23 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:22:30pm

re: #21 Pie-onist Overlord

PEOPLE, I AM NOT KIDDING: Exploding rock monsters build the ark in Noah. And Methuselah has super powers. And Noah tries to kill everybody.

Fuck, NOW I wanna see it; didn’t before.

24 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:23:18pm

re: #15 TedStriker

Thanks for joggling my memory: I thought Buster was Harold.

25 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:25:24pm

re: #19 Kragar

He’s got another 3 or 4 months till he’s due for sex again, so he’s starting to get fidegety

Begin to summon the sex dolphins!

26 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:26:59pm

re: #21 Pie-onist Overlord

What’s the problem here, EE? Ark construction by exploding rock monsters is no more or less ludicrous than any other theory of ark construction, although my personal preference is to believe that the ark was sneezed out by the Great Pumpkin.

27 b.d.  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:27:07pm

re: #24 chadu

Thanks for joggling my memory: I thought Buster was Harold.

At least you didn’t say Diane

28 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:28:08pm

re: #23 chadu

Fuck, >NOW I wanna see it; didn’t before.

It does sound kinda badass.

But Russel Crowe doesn’t sing, does he? Because he totally SUCKED in Les Mis. Why didn’t they just get a trained baritone and dub in post production, like they used to do with every other Hollywood musical?

29 b.d.  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:28:20pm

OMG! THEY PUT UNBELIEVABLE STUFF IN THE NOAH’S ARK MOVIE!?!?!

30 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:28:48pm

Unbelievable stuff? Like one man being able to gather two of every animal? That sort of unbelievable stuff?

31 TedStriker  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:29:00pm

re: #28 Pie-onist Overlord

It does sound kinda badass.

But Russel Crowe doesn’t sing, does he? Because he totally SUCKED in Les Mis. Why didn’t they just get a trained baritone and dub in post production, like they used to do with every other Hollywood musical?

Because, then it wouldn’t be real.

/

32 Kragar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:29:29pm

re: #25 chadu

Begin to summon the sex dolphins!

Youtube Video

33 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:29:33pm

re: #27 b.d.

At least you didn’t say Diane

No thanks, my preferred Diane is Wiest.

34 Skip Intro  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:30:00pm

Let me tell you, I’m a really smart guy - Donald Trump

35 kirkspencer  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:30:19pm

re: #21 Pie-onist Overlord

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So, he’s saying the book was better?
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36 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:30:30pm

re: #30 HappyWarrior

Unbelievable stuff? Like one man being able to gather two of every animal? That sort of unbelievable stuff?

We’ll have to call it early quantum state phenomenon. Only way to fit 5000 species of mammal on the same boat.

37 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:30:35pm

re: #30 HappyWarrior

Unbelievable stuff? Like one man being able to gather two of every animal? That sort of unbelievable stuff?

How about an appropriate supply of microbes, both benign and disease-causing ones?

Edited to add: And insects. Beetles alone account for some 400,000 species.

38 Kragar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:32:16pm
39 TedStriker  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:32:43pm

re: #34 Skip Intro

Let me tell you, I’m a really smart guy - Donald Trump

Protip, Donald: if you feel the need to tell people how smart you think you are, chances are you’re as dumb as dirt.

40 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:32:53pm

re: #32 Kragar

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I love Venture Brothers.

When does the next season start, dammit?

41 Kragar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:32:57pm

re: #36 chadu

How did that tech writer thing go?

42 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:33:07pm

re: #38 Kragar

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Of course they’re wrong. We should trust the opinion of men who wear colonial garb and call themselves George Washington etc rather than people who have spent their lives studying their lives.

43 Kragar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:33:29pm

re: #40 chadu

I love Venture Brothers.

When does the next season start, dammit?

Not soon enough. I have been watching Archer though.

44 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:34:47pm

re: #38 Kragar

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45 Kragar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:35:30pm
46 Skip Intro  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:35:31pm

re: #30 HappyWarrior

Unbelievable stuff? Like one man being able to gather two of every animal? That sort of unbelievable stuff?

Seems to me it would have a lot easier if god just invited everything he wasn’t going to kill up to heaven for a nice vacation while he was trying to cover up his big creation fuck-up. What kind of a Creator of The Universe needs a stupid ark, anyway?

47 jaunte  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:35:45pm

re: #38 Kragar

You’ve got him and he knows it, but he won’t admit it.

48 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:35:52pm

re: #41 Kragar

How did that tech writer thing go?

Resume went in.

Silence and waitingness.

The interview today was for a business manager position at a community library.

49 Mentis Fugit  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:36:20pm

re: #26 EPR-radar

What’s the problem here, EE? Ark construction by exploding rock monsters is no more or less ludicrous than any other theory of ark construction, although my personal preference is to believe that the ark was sneezed out by the Great PumpkinGreen Arkleseizure.

FTFY, heretic!

50 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:36:29pm

re: #42 HappyWarrior

Of course they’re wrong. We should trust the opinion of men who wear colonial garb and call themselves George Washington etc rather than people who have spent their lives studying their lives.

We don’t need no college larnin’ up in here, complicatin’ matters.

51 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:37:10pm

re: #46 Skip Intro

Seems to me it would have a lot easier if god just invited everything he wasn’t going to kill up to heaven for a nice vacation while he was trying to cover up his big creation fuck-up. What kind of a Creator of The Universe needs a stupid ark, anyway?

Same one who needs a starship?

52 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:37:15pm

re: #45 Kragar

“I plead the 5th” in a tweet.

And here I thought the total moral and intellectual bankruptcy of the wingnuts could not be expressed in 140 characters or less.

53 dog philosopher  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:37:28pm

ark

when i was a kid i thought the bible was a children’s book full of fairy tales about boats filled with cute animals and people being swallowed by whales

54 Lidane  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:37:58pm

re: #21 Pie-onist Overlord

And Methuselah has super powers.

IIRC Methuselah was something 969 years old in the Bible. If he didn’t have super powers he’s either an alien or has a health and fitness regimen we haven’t seen since.

55 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:38:03pm

re: #21 Pie-onist Overlord

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Why Erik, Son of DERP can’t call Emma Watson by her actual name escapes me. Somewhat insulting too, to refer to an actress solely by her role in a movie. And its not a thing Ronald Reagan would have thought highly of.

56 dog philosopher  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:38:14pm

re: #48 chadu

Resume went it.

Silence and waitingness.

The interview today was for a business manager position at a community library.

ah that sounds like such a pleasant position

much luck whatever happens

57 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:39:56pm

re: #42 HappyWarrior

Of course they’re wrong. We should trust the opinion of men who wear colonial garb and call themselves George Washington etc rather than people who have spent their lives studying their lives.

Speaking of George Washington, let me repost something I said about him from the previous thread:

re: #245 Dark_Falcon

That’s not really true. Over time he came to see their true value, which lay in controlling areas of countryside away from the main population centers, serving as ‘feeder’ units for the Continental Army, providing scouts and sharpshooters, and conducting guerrilla warfare. What George Washington understood militia were >not normally useful for was pitched battle against regular troops, a circumstance in which most militia units’ relative lack of discipline and bayonets left them at a terminal disadvantage.

58 Kragar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:41:09pm

re: #54 Lidane

IIRC Methuselah was something 969 years old in the Bible. If he didn’t have super powers he’s either an alien or has a health and fitness regimen we haven’t seen since.

Years/people worked differently back then.

I’ve heard both arguments from believers

59 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:42:58pm

re: #49 Mentis Fugit

FTFY, heretic!

The Great Green Arkleseizure sneezed out the entire universe. It’s entirely reasonable for a lesser minion such as the Great Pumpkin to be able to sneeze out Noah’s ark.

Now retract this accusation of heresy at once, or face the Coming of the Great White Handkerchief.

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60 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:43:37pm

re: #57 Dark_Falcon

Speaking of George Washington, let me repost something I said about him from the previous thread:

Fair enough but I’m getting at people who ignore places like Mount Vernon and also Monticello that put years of research into these guys in favor of faux quotes du jour.

61 Skip Intro  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:43:37pm

We have at least two more years of this to put up with.

Youtube Video

62 Kragar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:44:40pm

re: #47 jaunte

You’ve got him and he knows it, but he won’t admit it.

63 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:45:05pm

re: #53 dog philosopher

ark

when i was a kid i thought the bible was a children’s book full of fairy tales about boats filled with cute animals and people being swallowed by whales

Yo Noah, I’m really happy for you, Imma let you finish but Utnapishtim had one of the best arks of all time…one of the best arks of all time!

64 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:45:16pm

re: #61 Skip Intro

We have at least two more years of this to put up with.

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Depends who replaces Obama. If it’s Hillary or whoever, it will be more of the same theatrics. IF the R’s somehow get one of their own, Cruz will accuse anyone who doesn’t support said administration of being disloyal.

65 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:45:40pm

re: #62 Kragar

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Brings up Obama when corned in bs. How typical.

66 Mentis Fugit  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:46:40pm

re: #59 EPR-radar

The Great Green Arkleseizure sneezed out the entire universe. It’s entirely reasonable for a lesser minion such as the Great Pumpkin to be able to sneeze out Noah’s ark.

Now retract this accusation of heresy at once, or face the Coming of the Great White Handkerchief.

//

I warn you: I have underarm deodorant, and I’m not afraid to use it.

67 Kragar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:46:58pm
68 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:47:02pm

re: #55 Dark_Falcon

Why Erik, Son of DERP can’t call Emma Watson by her actual name escapes me. Somewhat insulting too, to refer to an actress solely by her role in a movie. And its not a thing Ronald Reagan Professor Peter Boyd would have thought highly of.

FTFY.

;)

69 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:47:09pm

re: #63 chadu

Yo Noah, I’m really happy for you, Imma let you finish but Utnapishtim had one of the best arks of all time…one of the best arks of all time!

Atra-hasis was doing arks before it was cool.

70 Kragar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:47:48pm
71 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:48:02pm

re: #56 dog philosopher

ah that sounds like such a pleasant position

much luck whatever happens

Thanks.

The pay is low, but hey, I’m a mix of overqualified and underqualified, so it balances out, right?

So, yeah. Hi.

72 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:50:17pm

re: #71 chadu

So, yeah. Hi.

BTW, when I say the above, I’m thinking of this:

[Han answers the intercom after comandeering an attack station]
Han Solo: [sounding official] Uh, everything’s under control. Situation normal.
Voice: What happened?
Han Solo: [getting nervous] Uh, we had a slight weapons malfunction, but uh… everything’s perfectly all right now. We’re fine. We’re all fine here now, thank you. How are you?
Voice: We’re sending a squad up.
Han Solo: Uh, uh… negative, negative. We had a reactor leak here now. Give us a few minutes to lock it down. Large leak, very dangerous.
Voice: Who is this? What’s your operating number?
Han Solo: Uh…
[Han shoots the intercom]
Han Solo: [muttering] Boring conversation anyway. LUKE, WE’RE GONNA HAVE COMPANY!

73 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:52:08pm

re: #68 chadu

FTFY.

;)

Well played!

74 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:52:18pm

re: #21 Pie-onist Overlord

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Lol.

75 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:53:37pm

No Donald, MMR vaccinations don’t cause Autism.

Autism ‘begins long before birth’

Scientists say they have new evidence that autism begins in the womb.

Patchy changes in the developing brain long before birth may cause symptoms of autism spectrum disorder (ASD), research suggests.

Now that thing that resided on you head,…….

76 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:54:15pm

re: #69 The Ghost of a Flea

Atra-hasis was doing arks before it was cool.

Mesopotamia had a lot of floods, dinnit?

77 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:55:01pm

Why can’t the ark have been built by rock monsters?

78 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:55:15pm

re: #76 chadu

Mesopotamia had a lot of floods, dinnit?

Something about civilizations tending to arise along rivers and in river flood plains…

79 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:55:24pm

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

Well played!

De nada.

80 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:55:43pm

re: #78 EPR-radar

Something about civilizations tending to arise along rivers and in river flood plains…

81 Skip Intro  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:56:26pm

re: #64 HappyWarrior

I should have said four years, since we’ll have Tailgunner Ted ranting like Joe McCarthy on crack for at least that long, and probably much, much longer.

82 Kragar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:56:55pm

I almost felt bad about it, but how could I resist it when he just left it hanging out there?

83 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:57:25pm

re: #77 Varek Raith

Why can’t the ark have been built by rock monsters?

I have no argument against it.

Indeed, they could have used the corpses of their hated enemies, the tree monsters.

…

So, yeah, Noah’s Ark was built by Balrogs out of dead Ents.

Works for me.

84 Skip Intro  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:58:39pm

re: #77 Varek Raith

Why can’t the ark have been built by rock monsters?

No reason at all. The real question is why an ark at all? Couldn’t God just have recreated everything after he got done covering up the evidence of his initial total failure?

85 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:58:45pm

re: #83 chadu

I have no argument against it.

Indeed, they could have used the corpses of their hated enemies, the tree monsters.

…

So, yeah, Noah’s Ark was built by Balrogs out of dead Ents.

Works for me.

Exactly.
God can do whatever the hell he wants.
Why do they limit him so?

86 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:58:59pm

re: #84 Skip Intro

No reason at all. The real question is why an ark at all? Couldn’t God just have recreated everything after he got done covering up the evidence of his initial total failure?

REWIND!

87 jamjam  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 8:00:37pm

I believe the ark story has so much in common with the much earlier flood tale in the Epic of Gilgamesh, which I think was from the Sumer civilisation, possibly some thousands of years older than the Israelites. Or, maybe it was passed down by oral tradition.

Anyway, the point is, either Noah built the ark on God’s orders, or the guy from the Epic of Gilgamesh built it, on the orders of whatever gods they had in Sumer. There can’t have been two great floods,and in fact I don’t think there is archaeological evidence even for one.

But I mean, if you can see these stories as metaphors, or analogies, the Bible being full of figurative language anyway, what does it matter? It is simply not possible to take it literally, without giving equal consideration to the Epic of Gilgamesh.

And hey, maybe the Epic if Gilfamesh had giant rock monsters in it. Unless Erickson got himself mixed up and meant to say, ‘monsters of rock’. Maybe Ozzy turns up, I think he would play a great Methuselah. The only person more qualified would be Keith Richards, who would, I imagine, share a great physical likeness to the aged Methuselah.

Or Axl Rose, he looks like a rock monster nowadays.

88 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 8:01:37pm

re: #72 chadu

BTW, when I say the above, I’m thinking of this:

[Han answers the intercom after comandeering an attack station]
Han Solo: [sounding official] Uh, everything’s under control. Situation normal.
Voice: What happened?
Han Solo: [getting nervous] Uh, we had a slight weapons malfunction, but uh… everything’s perfectly all right now. We’re fine. We’re all fine here now, thank you. How are you?
Voice: We’re sending a squad up.
Han Solo: Uh, uh… negative, negative. We had a reactor leak here now. Give us a few minutes to lock it down. Large leak, very dangerous.
Voice: Who is this? What’s your operating number?
Han Solo: Uh…
[Han shoots the intercom]
Han Solo: [muttering] Boring conversation anyway. LUKE, WE’RE GONNA HAVE COMPANY!

It always amuses me to note that the stormtroopers who arrive would actually have done better had they been armed with the Sterling submachineguns used to simulate their blaster rifles. The Sterling’s higher rate of fire would have been much more effective in laying down suppression fire.

/Stay on Target!

89 Skip Intro  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 8:03:48pm

re: #86 Varek Raith

Seriously, why would God go through all the trouble to flood the earth with so much water that the runoff (where it came from and ran off to is something I’m still looking into) sculpted the Himalayas and the Grand Canyon.

Surely there was a simpler way to do this. No engineer who passed the EIT would have come up with something that crazy.

91 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 8:04:53pm

re: #89 Skip Intro

Seriously, why would God go through all the trouble to flood the earth with so much water that the runoff (where it came from and ran off to is something I’m still looking into) sculpted the Himalayas and the Grand Canyon.

Surely there was a simpler way to do this. No engineer who passed the EIT would have come up with something that crazy.

I dunno, if I were a god I’d be pretty eccentric.

92 Skip Intro  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 8:06:07pm

re: #87 jamjam

The great flood stories most likely came about at the end of the last ice age when the huge ice dams failed, and the water behind them flooded everything in sight.

It would have been scary as hell to see something like that, and the memory has lasted 10,000 years.

93 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 8:06:14pm

re: #84 Skip Intro

No reason at all. The real question is why an ark at all? Couldn’t God just have recreated everything after he got done covering up the evidence of his initial total failure?

Well speaking as an electronics geek, just because one of my projects fails to work doesn’t mean I toss those parts (that survive) away. On the other hand, I do tend to throw away those that didn’t.

OMG!!! EVOLUTION!

94 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 8:08:37pm

re: #87 jamjam

There can’t have been two great floods,and in fact I don’t think there is archaeological evidence even for one.

I’m a big fan of Black Sea Atlantis:
black-sea-atlantis.com

And my DNA from both sides of my family comes from Doggerland:
en.wikipedia.org

And Johnstown is only a couple counties over:
en.wikipedia.org

World-destroying floods happen, for certain values of “world”.

95 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 8:10:51pm

re: #89 Skip Intro

Seriously, why would God go through all the trouble to flood the earth with so much water that the runoff (where it came from and ran off to is something I’m still looking into) sculpted the Himalayas and the Grand Canyon.

Surely there was a simpler way to do this. No engineer who passed the EIT would have come up with something that crazy.

God (literal Bible version) is a pretty craptastic creator who bores easily and has anger issues.

96 Kragar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 8:11:50pm
97 Kragar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 8:12:35pm

re: #95 chadu

God (literal Bible version) is a pretty craptastic creator who bores easily and has anger issues.

Anyone reading the Bible from a neutral viewpoint can only assume God was the villain.

98 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 8:15:01pm

re: #91 Varek Raith

I dunno, if I were a god I’d be pretty eccentric.

A reading from the book of Saint Eddie of Izzard:

Yeah, so the chaos theory, the god Chaos. I believe in the god Chaos - I would believe in the god Chaos, you know, if he was around. I think he’s not a god with a plan; a god without a plan! A god going, “What? Me? I didn’t know!” And he lives in a caravan in deep space. “Do I? Is it? Oh, right. What? Just trying to make a flan here, can’t get the pilot light on. (audience applause) You don’t need to applaud too much in this. I kind of like it if on the video there’s no applause at all, and everyone goes “Fuck!” You know, just because sometimes when applause happens I keep thinking, “Oh, I should go.” But thank you… no, don’t applaud.

(…)

Anyway, so, so yes, the god Chaos is there, and he has a son. The god Chaos has a son called Kelvin.

“Kelvin!” “It’s fucking freezing outside, dad.” “None of your physics jokes”. “All sons have physics jokes, dad.” (the audience love it, sort of) “They groaned at that one, do you realise that? The whole bloody audience groaned, it’s not even a groaner, it’s the weirdest fucking line I’ve ever heard: ‘all sons have physics jokes’.” “Someone clapped there, dad.” “Well just… ahh, forget it. Anyway, I can’t light this pilot light. Trying to make a flan.” “Oh, you’ve just got to lean…” (sound of explosion) And suddenly the whole flan went up. “Ooh, that’s the big bang, that’s the big bang. I’ve done it!”

And the flan flew off in different directions, and gradually cooled and formed stars with planets. And the god Chaos put arbitrary things upon them, like helicopters, jam, radioactive peanuts, socks and spaniels.

But human beings: we’ve done OK, you know, over the years. We’ve made things like the spinning jenny, the spinning arthur and the spinning bernard. And the spinning jenny was more successful, but she had a hell of a time, “Hey! Fuckin’ hell! Let me go!” That’s a fucking weaving joke. All the weavers got it.

Here endeth the lesson.

Ra-men.

99 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 8:16:47pm

re: #94 chadu

World-destroying floods happen, for certain values of “world”.

QFT

100 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 8:17:51pm

Ring of LAX baggage handlers stole heaps of valuables, police say

Six people have been arrested, and the LAX police chief says as many as 25 are thought to be involved. ‘They’d just open up the suitcases and rifle through,’ he says.

latimes.com

“The case is focusing attention on how the airport oversees workers. Last month, two ground service workers were convicted of planting dry-ice bombs in an employee bathroom and secured tarmac area months earlier. The men were employed by one of the many private companies under contract to the airport.

“So were those suspected in the luggage theft case, Gannon said. He said the focus of the current investigation was on employees at Menzies Aviation, which provides services to airports internationally.

(snip)

“In a statement, Menzies Aviation said it believed the alleged thefts were “limited to a handful of employees, acting independently.” Menzies said its workers go through background checks by the company, LAX and U.S. Customs and Border Protection prior to employment. They also undergo extensive training to “perform their jobs safely, efficiently and with integrity.”

Someone is lying about the checks on these employees.

101 jaunte  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 8:18:20pm
Taxpayers in 14 states will bankroll nearly $1 billion this year in tuition for private schools, including hundreds of religious schools that teach Earth is less than 10,000 years old, Adam and Eve strolled the garden with dinosaurs, and much of modern biology, geology and cosmology is a web of lies.

Now a major push to expand these voucher programs is under way from Alaska to New York, a development that seems certain to sharply increase the investment.

102 Kragar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 8:18:54pm

Its almost like primitive cultures who existed almost completely along rivers might few a severe flood as the end of the world.

103 chadu  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 8:19:27pm

All right, time for popcorn, giant robots punching giant monsters, and sleep, in roughly that order.

Nytol!

104 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 8:20:30pm

re: #101 jaunte

Since it’s always about the money, we are so fucked in the education dept.

105 jaunte  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 8:20:55pm
106 Swift2991  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 8:21:12pm

How does he know this? White man jungle drums.

Our old ruling class may have been tough and stingy, but they did understand how the world works. These guys are useless. They’re not leading anybody except over the cliff with the lemmings.

107 Lidane  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 8:22:32pm

re: #105 jaunte

Gee, you mean scientific illiteracy about vaccines is a problem?

108 jamjam  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 8:22:35pm

re: #94 chadu

I should have been more clear, what I meant is, it is highly unlikely that the Genesis flood happened, when it has so many similarities to that in the Epic of Gilgamesh, which is some thousands of years older.

Both floods were supposed to have destroyed the whole world, and at least, Mesopotamia. Both protagonists in the flood stories built arks. Both took all the animal species into their arks to help them survive the flood. Both used a dove to determine when the flood was over. Both floods supposedly happened due to mans wicked nature, i.e. as a divine cleansing of the evil. The similarities go on.

So it is pretty clear that the later account was lifted from the earlier.

109 jaunte  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 8:23:24pm

re: #107 Lidane

Trump has prepared his escape pod in Scotland.

110 jaunte  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 8:26:24pm

CDC:

During 2013, nearly two thirds of the cases came from three outbreaks. In these outbreaks, transmission occurred after introduction of measles into communities with pockets of persons unvaccinated because of philosophical or religious beliefs. This allowed for spread to occur, mainly in households and community gatherings, before public health interventions could be implemented. Despite progress in global measles control and elimination, measles importations are likely to continue posing risks of measles outbreaks in unvaccinated communities. Maintaining high MMR vaccination coverage is essential to prevent measles outbreaks and sustain measles elimination in the United States.

To date in 2013, 23 measles importations have been reported by U.S. residents, most of whom were aged [plus or minus] 12 months and unvaccinated. The source of imported cases continues to be most often the WHO European Region, a popular destination for U.S. travelers and an area where measles continues to circulate. All persons aged [plus or minus] 6 months without evidence of measles immunity who travel outside the United States should be vaccinated before travel with 1 dose of MMR vaccine for infants aged 6-11 months and 2 doses for persons aged [plus or minus] 12 months, at least 28 days apart. Routine MMR vaccination is recommended for all children at age 12-15 months, with a second dose at age 4-6 years. Two doses of MMR vaccine are also recommended for health-care personnel and students attending post-high school educational institutions, unless they have other evidence of immunity. Other adults without evidence of measles immunity should receive 1 dose of MMR vaccine. Health-care providers should encourage timely vaccination of all eligible patients and should remind parents who plan to travel internationally with children of the increased risk for measles and the importance of vaccination.
cdc.gov

111 Ming  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 8:28:29pm

re: #97 Kragar

Anyone reading the Bible from a neutral viewpoint can only assume God was the villain.

The whole idea of reading the bible from a neutral point of view is mind-boggling. Imagine reading the following from any sentient viewpoint: “If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.” 21 Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.”

For all the bad things we can say about America’s Founders, e.g. owning slaves, when they wrote separation of religion and state into the Constitution, they were way ahead of their time. Maybe ahead of our time.

112 jaunte  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 8:30:36pm

re: #111 Ming

For all the bad things we can say about America’s Founders, e.g. owning slaves, when they wrote separation of religion and state into the Constitution, they were way ahead of their time. Maybe ahead of our time.

Definitely some of their most advanced thinking. I hope we’re smart enough to preserve it.

113 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 8:34:28pm

A case of anti-gun overreach:

DC judge hands down shocking conviction for man possessing muzzleloader bullets (VIDEO)

After a two year legal battle with the District of Columbia, recreational hunter Mark Witaschek was found guilty Wednesday of possessing illegal “ammunition” in the form of muzzleloader bullets.

This comes after a search of Witaschek’s home in 2012 by D.C. police turned up an inert shotgun shell, a spent shell casing and a box of muzzleloader bullets. The search was in response to a complaint from his estranged ex-wife. He now faces a $50 fine and must enroll with the Metropolitan Police Department’s firearm offenders’ registry.

SNIP

Under the Gun Control Act of 1968, the framework for modern gun laws in the U.S., muzzleloaders do not fit the description of a modern firearm since they cannot fire conventional ammunition, and thus are not generally regulated. Even in the District of Columbia, residents are allowed to purchase and possess black powder primitive firearms without a license.

Nonetheless, since Witaschek had what D.C. Superior Court Judge Robert E. Morin considered to be “ammunition” in his possession without having a gun registered in the District, he was found guilty.

“I run the risk of losing my job, my occupation, as a result of this conviction,” Witaschek, a financial adviser with no criminal record, asked Morin before sentencing. “I ask the court not to add to that burden of what’s already been done to my life over the last two years.”

His job concern is not ill-placed because while he was not found guilty of a felony, financial firms will generally terminate anyone convicted of any sort of firearms offense.

114 Political Atheist  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 8:38:33pm

re: #113 Dark_Falcon

It’s bad enough when just the real criminals break or ignore the law. Prosecutors over reach is terribly intimidating. It’s an obvious attempt to intrude on the upheld 2nd amendment. Outrage appears muted so far.

115 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 8:39:49pm

re: #114 Political Atheist

It’s bad enough when just the real criminals break or ignore the law. Prosecutors over reach is terribly intimidating. It’s an obvious attempt to intrude on the upheld 2nd amendment. Outrage appears muted so far.

Well, it ticks me off. DC has real gun crime, but this ain’t it!

116 Political Atheist  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 8:46:36pm

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

It’s a good example of what makes some gun owners a bit prickly when pressed on the subject. by way of all the gun control one is expected to accept without a word. In fairness we have a right to expect a certain limited presumption that poison pill laws like that will be set aside in favor of the gun controls we should have.

117 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 8:48:54pm

This next article will please Sarah Palin, but it angers me even more than the DC piece:

Wolf wars: Idaho bill would allow the killing of 500 wolves

Idaho lawmakers are targeting the state’s wolf population, approving a bill that would set up an oversight wolf-control panel and provide funding for the termination of 500 wolves.

House Bill 470 cleared both chambers of the state Legislature and is now on its way to the governor’s desk where he is expected to sign it.

“We are of one mind, that Idaho wants to manage our wolves and we want to manage them to a reasonable number so that the species don’t get endangered again and the feds don’t come in and take it over again,” Gov. Butch Otter told The Associated Press.

Currently the state has an estimated wolf population of around 600, maybe fewer. Lawmakers would like to bring that down to the federal mandated minimum of 150 wolves or 10 breeding pairs, according to The Idaho Statesmen.

I’m aware than wolves kill livestock, but I cannot see the idea of killing 75% of Idaho’s wolves as a good idea. In 2011 wolves killed 87 domestic animals in Idaho. I’d much rather just pay ranchers for their losses. if it turns out some more isolated ranches can’t cope, then honestly I’d support buying those ranches out. But I can’t support mass killing of wolves, I just cannot.

118 Ming  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 8:50:48pm

re: #112 jaunte

Definitely some of their most advanced thinking. I hope we’re smart enough to preserve it.

I recommend the chapter titled “The Constitution” in Barack Obama’s second book, The Audacity of Hope. He taught Constitutional Law for 10 years.

119 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 8:51:48pm

re: #95 chadu

God (literal Bible version) is a pretty craptastic creator who bores easily and has anger issues.

Kinda like this.

120 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 8:55:20pm

re: #105 jaunte

CDC report: highest # of measles cases in 17 yrs w/health officials “citing philosophical differences with the vaccine pure dumbfuckery for the increase”

What they really meant.

121 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 8:57:35pm

re: #105 jaunte

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Thanks, Donald!

/spits

122 kirkspencer  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 9:01:32pm

re: #113 Dark_Falcon

A case of anti-gun overreach:

DC judge hands down shocking conviction for man possessing muzzleloader bullets (VIDEO)

SNIP

His job concern is not ill-placed because while he was not found guilty of a felony, financial firms will generally terminate anyone convicted of any sort of firearms offense.

What’s the rest of the story?

What was the ex-wife’s complaint, that it initiated a (n alleged 30-person) SWAT raid?

Where’s the court transcript? All I can find is what Emily Miller reported and people who echo that. Ms. Miller is an untrustworty reporter.

It may indeed be the travesty it’s made out to be. But I’ve discovered that a lot of these travesties turn out to be a lot less clear when put under examination.

123 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 9:06:05pm

re: #113 Dark_Falcon

Notice how your quote says “The search was in response to a complaint from his estranged ex-wife” — what it doesn’t say is that the complaint was that he threatened to kill her with a gun. The source for this tidbit is the well-known far-left anti-gun Communist rag, the Washington Times.

That piece, which is so full of hyperbole and sensationalism that it would give a North Korean propagandist a run for his money, even concedes that there were numerous types of ammunition found in the guy’s home.

As it happens, in DC only individuals who have legally registered firearms (which he did not) may possess ammunition. Whether you or I or anyone else may think that DC’s gun laws are absurd is beside the point. The fact is that there’s much more to the story than just some fine upstanding citizen standing around minding his own business and then suddenly he gets busted for a musket ball.

Propaganda works!

124 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 9:07:35pm

re: #122 kirkspencer

What’s the rest of the story?

What was the ex-wife’s complaint, that it initiated a (n alleged 30-person) SWAT raid?

Where’s the court transcript? All I can find is what Emily Miller reported and people who echo that. Ms. Miller is an untrustworty reporter.

It may indeed be the travesty it’s made out to be. But I’ve discovered that a lot of these travesties turn out to be a lot less clear when put under examination.

He wasn’t charged for any offense against the ex-wife, and SWAT teams are often called out for any firearms related search. The latter is something of an overreaction whose tragic consequences have been documented here before by RWC.

125 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 9:09:42pm

This one states the case in unequivocal terms:

In terms of costs and savings for the private sector, multiple studies over the past two decades have compared the cost-effectiveness of the various methods of contraception, finding that all of them are cost-effective when taking into account the costs of unintended pregnancies averted. The federal government, the nation’s largest employer, reported that it experienced no increase in costs at all after Congress mandated coverage of contraceptives for federal employees. Moreover, a 2000 study by the National Business Group on Health, a membership group for large employers to address their health policy concerns, estimated that it costs employers 15-17% more to not provide contraceptive coverage in their health plans than to provide such coverage, after accounting for both the direct medical costs of pregnancy and indirect costs such as employee absence and reduced productivity. Mercer, the employee benefits consulting firm, reached a similar conclusion. And a more recent National Business Group on Health report, drawing on actuarial estimates by PricewaterhouseCoopers, concluded that even if contraception were exempted from cost-sharing, the savings from its coverage would exceed the costs.

The entire conservative argument that employers shouldn’t “be forced to pay” for contraception is a lie. It is built on a fundamentally false premise, that covering contraception costs them more than not covering it. In fact it’s the exact opposite, in the real world they’re arguing for the right to pay more in order to be able hamstring their employee’s reproductive health options and to fuck over their own worker productivity.

126 Interesting Times  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 9:22:47pm

re: #125 goddamnedfrank

This one states the case in unequivocal terms:

The entire conservative argument that employers shouldn’t “be forced to pay” for contraception is a lie. It is built on a fundamentally false premise, that covering contraception costs them more than not covering it. In fact it’s the exact opposite, in the real world they’re arguing for the right to pay more in order to be able hamstring their employee’s reproductive health options and to fuck over their own worker productivity.

Could you make a Page of all this stuff you’ve found out? It would be great to have it all in one place, easily accessible (and linkable and tweetable :) )

127 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 9:23:00pm

re: #122 kirkspencer

What’s the rest of the story?

D.C. law restricts certain bullets.

A person convicted of knowingly possessing restricted pistol bullets in violation of § 7-2506.01(3) may be sentenced to imprisonment for a term not to exceed 10 years and shall be sentenced to imprisonment for a mandatory-minimum term of not less than 1 year and shall not be released from prison or granted probation or suspension of sentence prior to serving the mandatory-minimum sentence, and, in addition, may be fined an amount not to exceed $ 10,000.

The fact that the guy’s hollowpoint bullets were designed for muzzleloading isn’t particularly relevant. Everyone talking about “ammunition” is deliberately ignoring this point, the law restricts the bullet itself by type.

128 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 9:24:56pm

re: #123 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Maybe the fact that this propaganda came from guns.com should have been a tip-off.

129 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 9:29:20pm

re: #127 goddamnedfrank

D.C. law restricts certain bullets.

The fact that the guy’s hollowpoint bullets were designed for muzzleloading isn’t particularly relevant. Everyone talking about “ammunition” is deliberately ignoring this point, the law restricts the bullet itself by type.

Well, this fellow wasn’t sent to prison so he clearly wasn’t convicted of that crime. Though that might be attributable to the judge being somewhat anti-gun but still wanted not to be a jerk. And the sentence, while damaging, wasn’t life-ending since it wasn’t a felony conviction and did not include jail time.

130 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 9:34:01pm

re: #127 goddamnedfrank

D.C. law restricts certain bullets.

The fact that the guy’s hollowpoint bullets were designed for muzzleloading isn’t particularly relevant. Everyone talking about “ammunition” is deliberately ignoring this point, the law restricts the bullet itself by type.

Looking further, D.C. law doesn’t appear to ban expanding or hollowpoint bullets at all, the references is to armor piercing designs. So the question on appeal is what constitutes “ammunition.” The only reference on point I can find in the D.C. statues comes under the ban on high capacity magazines, which references “rounds” of ammunition, which a bullet by itself clearly isn’t.

Pretty much anywhere else this would be reloading supplies, so the conviction may in fact be void for vagueness.

131 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 9:37:48pm

And while some conservatives complain about Michelle Obama’s “Let’s move” campaign, Vladimir Putin is taking things several steps further than Ms. Obama has gone or will go:

Putin Is Reviving a Stalinist Fitness Program to Whip Russians Into Shape

Any connection between present Crimea tensions and Putin’s desire to have a fighting-fit population are of course coincidental

Vladimir Putin wants to improve the physical fitness of Russians of all ages, and to achieve that he has turned to the era of brutal dictator Joseph Stalin for inspiration.

On Monday, he announced that a Stalinist fitness program from the 1930s, called “Ready for Labor and Defense,” will be revived and funded by leftover cash from the Sochi Winter Olympics.

It hasn’t been revealed what the modern version of the program will consist of, but back in the U.S.S.R it required comrade citizens to enter competitions in sports like running, jumping, skiing, swimming, and, well, grenade throwing. Tests were set and those who passed were given gold and silver badges that were worn with pride on proletarian chests.

I found this story originally here.

132 Kragar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 9:37:55pm

I personally thing its getting damn near the time when we stop putting up with dark age mindsets being protected because of religious beliefs.

“I can’t pay for something other people might use because of my religious beliefs!”
“Ok, so stop offering benefits, simply pay the difference back to your employees and let them purchase their own healthcare!”
“But I have to offer healthcare according to my religious beliefs!”
“Your religious beliefs are a load of crap and I refuse to play these fucking games.”

133 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 9:38:57pm

re: #131 Dark_Falcon

And while some conservatives complain about Michelle Obama’s “Let’s move” campaign, Vladimir Putin is taking things several steps further than Ms. Obama has gone or will go:

Putin Is Reviving a Stalinist Fitness Program to Whip Russians Into Shape

I found this story originally here.

Still, Putin will face less anger for this than has Michelle Obama, for the simple reason that Vladimir Putin is white.

134 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 9:40:01pm

re: #130 goddamnedfrank

Looking further, D.C. law doesn’t appear to ban expanding or hollowpoint bullets at all, the references is to armor piercing designs. So the question on appeal is what constitutes “ammunition.” The only reference on point I can find in the D.C. statues comes under the ban on high capacity magazines, which references “rounds” of ammunition, which a bullet by itself clearly isn’t.

Pretty much anywhere else this would be reloading supplies, so the conviction may in fact be void for vagueness.

Thank you for that, Frank. Your honesty and research skills truly make you a treasure for this blog.

135 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 9:45:15pm
A federal appeals court refused Tuesday to halt the enforcement of San Francisco laws that require handgun owners to keep their weapons locked when stored at home and ban bullets that expand or splinter on contact, saying they do not interfere with the right to use firearms in self-defense.

The problem here is that California hunting regulations for the taking of large game require the use of soft-nose or expanding projectiles. And again the law is somewhat vague, as soft-nose projectiles do in fact expand.

The other problem here is that bullet design is a trade off, at the same weight / propellant charge they either tend to expand or they tend to over penetrate. Where does the public interest lie exactly, in making bullets ever slightly less lethal, or less likely to pass through their initial target striking god knows what behind that target.

136 gwangung  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 9:47:11pm

re: #135 goddamnedfrank

The other problem here is that bullet design is a trade off, at the same weight / propellant charge they either tend to expand or they tend to over penetrate. Where does the public interest lie exactly, in making bullets ever slightly less lethal, or less likely to pass through their initial target striking god knows what behind that target.

In a dense urban area, that tradeoff is a legitimate concern for public safety, I would think.

137 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 9:49:39pm

re: #136 gwangung

In a dense urban area, that tradeoff is a legitimate concern for public safety, I would think.

Right, so the logical move here would be to ban full metal jacket designs, and encourage the use of expanding ammunition, which also happens on average to be twice as expensive.

138 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 9:49:42pm

re: #135 goddamnedfrank

The problem here is that California hunting regulations for the taking of large game require the use of soft-nose or expanding projectiles. And again the law is somewhat vague, as soft-nose projectiles do in fact expand.

The other problem here is that bullet design is a trade off, at the same weight / propellant charge they either tend to expand or they tend to over penetrate. Where does the public interest lie exactly, in making bullets ever slightly less lethal, or less likely to pass through their initial target striking god knows what behind that target.

I’d say “less likely to over-penetrate”. If that means that actual hits on the targeted person are more likely to be lethal, then that is acceptable to me. It is important that police and lawfully-armed citizens be able to effectively stop assailants, and hollow-point rounds do that best against unarmored foes.

139 Kragar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 9:52:50pm

re: #137 goddamnedfrank

Right, so the logical move here would be to ban full metal jacket designs, and encourage the use of expanding ammunition, which also happens on average to be twice as expensive.

But with Obama on the verge of banning ammo and guns, can you afford not to buy the ammo?
///

140 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 9:57:41pm

In any event, the problem is, as always, handguns. While we’re wasting time debating the most inconsequential fringe elements of firearms violence, handguns continue to be used in at least 85% of every type of gun crime.

Which does go to the asshole who threatened to shoot his wife with the muzzle stuffer. It’s a little bit fucked up that in most states you can get a perfectly lethal revolver delivered straight to your front door with no questions asked. You can then also purchase a conversion cylinder, again over the internet with no questions asked. allowing that gun to shoot cartridge ammunition. As far as loopholes go that’s pretty insane.

141 palomino  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 10:00:44pm

re: #133 Dark_Falcon

Still, Putin will face less anger for this than has Michelle Obama, for the simple reason that Vladimir Putin is white.

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Michelle doesn’t face much anger from Democrats, moderates, or independents over her pet obesity/nutrition project.

What a dilemma for the gop/tp. They know they’re supposed to hate Stalin and his old programs, but if Putin is doing something aggressive, they get aroused.

It must really hurt when they have to criticize Vlad, cuz ya know his boobs are so pretty and manly and all.

142 Single-handed sailor  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 10:03:25pm

re: #138 Dark_Falcon

I’d say “less likely to over-penetrate”. If that means that actual hits on the targeted person are more likely to be lethal, then that is acceptable to me. It is important that police and lawfully-armed citizens be able to effectively stop assailants, and hollow-point rounds do that best against unarmored foes.

They also work best for the bad guys.

143 darthstar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 10:30:58pm
144 darthstar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 10:34:17pm

So…apparently the gators have learned to use signage to help bring their prey closer to them.

145 KiTA  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 10:45:00pm

Meanwhile, in actual science:
npr.org

146 darthstar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 10:48:22pm

re: #145 KiTA

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Meanwhile, in actual science:
npr.org

howdovaccinescauseautism.com is a great site. I read the whole thing.

147 Kragar  Thu, Mar 27, 2014 11:46:16pm

He’s doubling down on the derp.

148 freetoken  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 12:27:16am

Your tonight’s featured entertainment, Operation Tumbler/Snapper:

“To collect the know-how for atomic warfare”

Youtube Video

149 Kragar  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 12:31:44am

re: #148 freetoken

Your tonight’s featured entertainment, Operation Tumbler/Snapper:

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How could this not have Mike and the Bots commenting?

150 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 12:37:35am

Trump has money, therefore he has political influence and media access.

Repeat same for Koch, Adelson, Gianforte etc…

151 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 12:44:07am

re: #131 Dark_Falcon

And while some conservatives complain about Michelle Obama’s “Let’s move” campaign, Vladimir Putin is taking things several steps further than Ms. Obama has gone or will go:

Putin Is Reviving a Stalinist Fitness Program to Whip Russians Into Shape

I found this story originally here.

Child abusers, what?

Image: rtr3dd64.jpg

Imagine if that teacher was Michelle Obama…

152 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 12:51:03am

How many Christmas presents do Russian children get?

-Two! One for each parent they turn into the Secret Police!!!

153 freetoken  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 1:00:44am

re: #149 Kragar

How could this not have Mike and the Bots commenting?

It’s a very educational film. Lots of good info in there.

154 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 1:01:41am

Tough times ahead, but no doubt it will be worth it to Ukrainians for the future to be free from Russia’s sphere of influence.

Ukraine wins IMF lifeline as Russia faces growth slump

reuters.com

Interesting role China is playing, too.

“China, which failed to back its ally Russia in a vote on Crimea at the United Nations this month, said it would play a “constructive role” on aid for Ukraine, but stopped short of saying whether it would participate directly.

“The European Bank for Reconstruction and Development could direct up to a billion euros a year into Ukraine over the next few years, while the EU could provide 850 million euros within three months.

“The Ukraine crisis has triggered the most serious East-West confrontation since the end of the Cold War a quarter of a century ago, deepening the slump in Ukraine’s economy, centered on coal and steel production, gas transit and grain exports.” More

155 freetoken  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 1:03:12am

Where else could you learn about the “mock Y-stem” and its importance in defeating your enemy?

156 Kragar  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 1:19:13am

MST3k 602 - Invasion USA

Youtube Video

157 Kragar  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 1:41:45am

Penguins discover rope

Youtube Video

158 freetoken  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 1:44:50am

Love the trumpet and drum music, which plays on the explosion of the 4th Tumbler test.

Same music comes in when showing the troops being positioned for the test. The narration:

“Like all too many people, both in and out of the military, before these men got their assignment for this operation they had many misconceptions about the bomb and its effects.

Some of them thought they would never again be able to have families. Some of them expected to be deaf or blind. Some of them expected to glow for hours after the bomb went off.

Like so many people, many of them were afraid. [ No shit. ] They had never taken the time or invested the effort to learn the facts about what to do in case of atomic warfare.

[…]

159 freetoken  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 1:46:46am

re: #157 Kragar

There’s always one clever one.

160 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 1:53:53am

re: #159 freetoken

not clever, just taller. I was waiting for one to lift up the rope with its beak

161 freetoken  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:08:53am

I’ve often wondered if underground nuclear test sites could be a source of exotic minerals and gems. I don’t think any of the western test sites will be available for exploration.

However, there were two tests in Mississippi (of which most are not aware): Salmon Site

Probably the state of MS wouldn’t let anyone drill down, but perhaps in the farture….

162 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:09:10am

re: #157 Kragar

Penguins discover rope

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Haha, they still don’t have knees?

One of my g-grandson’s favorite cartoons is the British/Swiss “Pingu”. It’s very sweet.

youtube.com

163 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:18:09am

GG, having nothing new, tries to keep pushing this March 18 bullshit piece by Bart Gellman in the WAPO.

164 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:03:11am

re: #161 freetoken

I’ve often wondered if underground nuclear test sites could be a source of exotic minerals and gems. I don’t think any of the western test sites will be available for exploration.

However, there were two tests in Mississippi (of which most are not aware): Salmon Site

Probably the state of MS wouldn’t let anyone drill down, but perhaps in the farture….

Probably nothing more exotic than Trinitite. Glasses are easy but most gem stones of any appreciable size, especially crystalline, usually require some time at ideal conditions to grow.

165 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:23:20am
Moscow (AFP) - President Vladimir Putin on Thursday said Russia should create its own national payment settlement system, in a bid to reduce economic dependence on the West amid the controversy over Moscow’s seizure of Crimea.

…

Last week the United States hit more than 20 Russian officials, including some of Putin’s closest allies, with sanctions over Moscow’s takeover of the Black Sea peninsula of Crimea from Ukraine. A lender described as a “crony bank” for the Russian elites, Bank Rossiya, was also blacklisted.

As a result of punitive measures, several banks last week saw their customers barred from using Visa and MasterCard credit cards, prompting talk among officials and lawmakers that Russia should create its own operational network.

This can only reinforce Russia’s isolation, and whatever system they construct will be built upon such a massively corrupt, plutocratic and dysfunctional foundation that even nationalistic Russians will likely end up viewing it skeptically.

166 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:32:04am

re: #165 goddamnedfrank

This can only reinforce Russia’s isolation, and whatever system they construct will be built upon such a massively corrupt, plutocratic and dysfunctional foundation that even nationalistic Russians will likely end up viewing it skeptically.

This has been a problem plaguing the ex-USSR: they are reliant on outside help to get things done and rebuild a dysfunctional economy and political system, but resentful of the fact that they have to surrender sovereign control and autonomy.

Sort of like Wall Street after 2008…

167 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:36:11am

re: #165 goddamnedfrank

This can only reinforce Russia’s isolation, and whatever system they construct will be built upon such a massively corrupt, plutocratic and dysfunctional foundation that even nationalistic Russians will likely end up viewing it skeptically.

Practically speaking, such a policy would only increase activity in Russia’s black markets, which have been in place for 100 years … or more. Moscow also banned the use of Bitcoin in Russia, saying it’s a foreign currency and Russians can only use rubles domestically.

168 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:39:27am

re: #154 Justanotherhuman

I heard this on NPR earlier today and my only fear is that they plain came out and said “austerity is the plan,” which has worked so well for so many people in the other countries the IMF has propped up with its loans.

I admit I don’t know of a better option, but the IMF has always seemed far to gleeful in its draconian requirements.

169 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:45:26am

re: #164 goddamnedfrank

Probably nothing more exotic than Trinitite. Glasses are easy but most gem stones of any appreciable size, especially crystalline, usually require some time at ideal conditions to grow.

The Tatum Salt Dome

jayssouth.com

170 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:49:03am

re: #168 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I heard this on NPR earlier today and my only fear is that they plain came out and said “austerity is the plan,” which has worked so well for so many people in the other countries the IMF has propped up with its loans.

I admit I don’t know of a better option, but the IMF has always seemed far to gleeful in its draconian requirements.

The Rada has already been proposing cutbacks, and increases in certain taxes (on monopolies, oligarchs, alcohol & tobacco). I think they pretty well know what measures need to be taken to offset the effects of the previous kleptocracy.

171 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:55:16am
Economy Minister Alexei Ulyukayev warned Thursday that the country risked growth of just 0.6 percent this year with capital flight expected to reach $100 billion.

That’s actually a catastrophe, since the World Bank’s earlier, pre-Crimean estimate for 2014 was for 3.1%, though the World Banks main page for Russia still lists 2012 numbers so the 2014 estimate may be very old indeed. The World Bank’s analysis also had some rather important points:

Although Russia’s growth outlook for 2013 is positive, it is well below the strong growth outturn of 2012. Following 3.4 percent GDP growth in 2012, the World Bank revised its 2013 growth projection for Russia down to 1.8 percent.

In fact Russia’s 2013 growth was 1.3%, or a mere 42% of the forecast and a 68% falloff from the previous year. More frightening:

The economy is close to its current growth potential. Despite the observed broad-based slowdown in the economy, most recent estimates show that the level of capacity utilization remained close to 80 percent in the first half of 2013. That is comparable with rates observed in 2006 and 2007, when the economy was expanding at 8 percent annually. Given the still-tight labor market and the depressed investment activities of the last four quarters, it appears that the economy could be running very close to its maximum capacity.

Basically, this is what the Russian economy running on all cylinders looks like now. They appear to have run into a law of diminishing returns, the backside curve of the corruption vs. efficiency equation where graft, systemic distrust and dysfunction gnaw away at any gains as they’re made, leaving less and less upside potential.

Add to that, at a time when their economy is overwhelmingly dominated by energy exports, their government has unilaterally abrogated a signed and ratified treaty to protect the territorial integrity of a neighbor. Who will … no, who can ever trust them again? Suddenly their word is shit in a world where they sell oil / gas and everyone knows that commodity’s future is finite.

172 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:06:29am

re: #171 goddamnedfrank

Add to that, at a time when their economy is overwhelmingly dominated by energy exports, their government has unilaterally abrogated a signed and ratified treaty to protect the territorial integrity of a neighbor. Who will … no, who can ever trust them again? Suddenly their word is shit in a world where they sell oil / gas and everyone knows that commodity’s future is finite.

Finite and also volatile. Remember that the collapse of the USSR came about at a time when oil prices were at a low point as the result of the ongoing Iran-Iraq war.

173 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:16:09am

Heh.

174 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:18:58am

With regard to Aronofsky’s Noah, it could be an interesting film, and I’ll have to read some more reviews on it.

Objectively speaking, the story of Noah most likely has its origin in the Epic of Gilgamesh, which in turn seems to borrow it’s flood story from the Epic of Atrahasis.

I’ve always liked the Black Sea Deluge hypothesis, an alleged catastrophic event occurring cca 7500 BC, even though to the best of my knowledge, there’s still no verifiable evidence to support the theory, which is sort of a shame; if the Black Sea Deluge event were proven, it would explain a great deal.

Of course, I also subscribe to the idea that the Atlantis story has its origin in the Thera eruption of the mid-second millennium BC, which most likely led to the collapse of Minoan civilization and I also like the notion (unproven but hypothetical) that the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah can be explained by some kind of impact event, possibly a very low-altitude bolide airburst. There is a similar story of a “rain of stones from the sky” in Chinese sources, indicating a similar catastrophe happened in Shanxi Province in 1490 AD, producing a death toll - according to the Chinese records - of 10,000, though a body count like that sounds to me more like a straight-up impact event.

175 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:22:47am

Moar money?

Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., announces he won’t seek re-election; plans to start national radio program after serving out end of term - @AP
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Like we need another one…

176 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:22:49am

re: #174 Dr Lizardo

Floods happen a lot. Volcanoes happen. I don’t think we’ll ever nail down an origin story for the various flood stories, I think it more represents a common (but not universal) event experienced by people back then.

177 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:26:42am

re: #176 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Floods happen a lot. Volcanoes happen. I don’t think we’ll ever nail down an origin story for the various flood stories, I think it more represents a common (but not universal) event experienced by people back then.

And which totally scared the shit out of superstitious, uneducated people who had no idea of what caused actual events. It’s the stuff of myths…

178 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:34:42am

re: #174 Dr Lizardo

While the Hebrews and the Sumerians have stories about a catastrophic flood, the Egyptians, who we could assume might have heard something about it, make no reference to a major flood.

The Nile is better behaved than the Tigris and Euphrates, which might account for the differences.

179 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:36:08am

I see Kragar had a tussle with that Fake Quote spammer, but I decided to just put it out of its misery.

180 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:36:16am

re: #177 Justanotherhuman

And which totally scared the shit out of superstitious, uneducated people who had no idea of what caused actual events. It’s the stuff of myths…

Meh, we have no real idea how many people back then took these myths and origin stories seriously .

There was an entire time period of completely credulous anthropology, where anthropologists, after stuffing themselves full of beer and cheese, heaved themselves out of their London clubs and landed in some ‘savage’ land, where they proceeded to ask the locals about their beliefs. The locals would tell them, the anthropologists would declare, “This is what they believe,” and that was the end of the story.

Except there’s no reason to believe they all, or even most, took those stories literally. The idea of metaphorical imagery isn’t new to us, there’s lots of evidence in ancient histories of their origin stories, their stories about gods, being metaphors and parables. When you actually, really interview people about “What do you believe” rather than “What does your tribe believe?” you get all kinds of interesting stories, ways they disbelieve their common myths, atheism, etc.

I mean, jesus talked in parables. People understood that. They didn’t think the stories Jesus told had actually happened, or rather, it was irrelevant if they had.

181 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:43:23am

re: #180 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Well, considering what we know today about people and their beliefs, it’s not totally out of the question, even with our advanced educational systems. Consider the creationists, for instance, coupled with those who don’t study or understand science and don’t want to bother.

What will people be saying about us in 2,000 years, I wonder?

182 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:44:49am

LOLWUT

183 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:45:12am

Does the movie show Ham raping Noah while he’s drunk?

184 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:45:30am

Sex Traffikking troofer?

I’ll have to check-it-out later. Too early in the morning and I’m on my first cuppa.

you?

185 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:47:15am

Koch Brothers are ASKING FOR MONEY to pay for MOAR FAKE OBAMACARE COMMERCIALS

186 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:47:19am
187 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:47:24am

re: #180 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Meh, we have no real idea how many people back then took these myths and origin stories seriously .

There was an entire time period of completely credulous anthropology, where anthropologists, after stuffing themselves full of beer and cheese, heaved themselves out of their London clubs and landed in some ‘savage’ land, where they proceeded to ask the locals about their beliefs. The locals would tell them, the anthropologists would declare, “This is what they believe,” and that was the end of the story.

Except there’s no reason to believe they all, or even most, took those stories literally. The idea of metaphorical imagery isn’t new to us, there’s lots of evidence in ancient histories of their origin stories, their stories about gods, being metaphors and parables. When you actually, really interview people about “What do you believe” rather than “What does your tribe believe?” you get all kinds of interesting stories, ways they disbelieve their common myths, atheism, etc.

I mean, jesus talked in parables. People understood that. They didn’t think the stories Jesus told had actually happened, or rather, it was irrelevant if they had.

Some believed, some understood the myths were a way to passing on history and truth.

For some reason, people remember stories better than they remember facts. —no?

188 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:48:04am

re: #178 wheat-dogghazi

While the Hebrews and the Sumerians have stories about a catastrophic flood, the Egyptians, who we could assume might have heard something about it, make no reference to a major flood.

The Nile is better behaved than the Tigris and Euphrates, which might account for the differences.

Very true, but a date of 5700 BC, the Egyptians wouldn’t have recorded something like that anyway; it predates the rise of Egyptian civilization. That doesn’t really get started until about 3150 BC. There is a flood story, in which Atum decides he’s going to destroy it all and start over. Only Atum and Osiris remain. But it’s very brief, and doesn’t go into detail. The Nile did flood from time to time, but it was typically more of a gentle variety of flooding.

189 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:48:55am

I never donated to a political campaign before, but I donated $10 to Gary Peters (my district congressional rep, running for U.S. Senate) because the Koch Brothers have painted a bullseye on his ass.

190 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:49:05am

re: #176 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Floods happen a lot. Volcanoes happen. I don’t think we’ll ever nail down an origin story for the various flood stories, I think it more represents a common (but not universal) event experienced by people back then.

Have you ever read Vine Deloria’s God is Red?

191 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:56:12am

re: #181 Justanotherhuman

Well, considering what we know today about people and their beliefs, it’s not totally out of the question, even with our advanced educational systems. Consider the creationists, for instance, coupled with those who don’t study or understand science and don’t want to bother.

What will people be saying about us in 2,000 years, I wonder?

Probably like today, some people believed in them literally, others thought they were metaphorical and employed them metaphorically, and others had entirely different systems of thought.

The conspiracy stories of ancient Rome would be funny. “Caeser wasn’t actually killed in the senate, he’s still alive, it’s all a coverup.”

192 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:56:23am

re: #188 Dr Lizardo

Very true, but a date of 5700 BC, the Egyptians wouldn’t have recorded something like that anyway; it predates the rise of Egyptian civilization. That doesn’t really get started until about 3150 BC. There is a flood story, in which Atum decides he’s going to destroy it all and start over. Only Atum and Osiris remain. But it’s very brief, and doesn’t go into detail. The Nile did flood from time to time, but it was typically more of a gentle variety of flooding.

Ahh, I didn’t know about that flood story. Thanks for the correction.

Maybe most all-powerful gods realize their mistakes and want to start over. We mortals don’t get do-overs, though.

193 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:56:45am

re: #190 FemNaziBitch

Have you ever read Vine Deloria’s God is Red?

Nope. I’ll put it on The List.

194 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:57:30am

re: #191 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Probably like today, some people believed in them literally, others thought they were metaphorical and employed them metaphorically, and others had entirely different systems of thought.

The conspiracy stories of ancient Rome would be funny. “Caeser wasn’t actually killed in the senate, he’s still alive, it’s all a coverup.”

I think Julius is a partner in Elvis’ diner somewhere outside Memphis.

195 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:57:52am

re: #192 wheat-dogghazi

Ahh, I didn’t know about that flood story. Thanks for the correction.

Maybe most all-powerful gods realize their mistakes and want to start over. We mortals don’t get do-overs, though.

The tea party wingnuts think they can get a do-over of the Civil War.

196 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:59:22am

re: #195 Pie-onist Overlord

The tea party wingnuts think they can get a do-over of the Civil War.

I think they want a do-over of that whole Renaissance-Reformation thing back when.

197 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:00:11am

Spin me another yarn, Grandpaw.

I can’t tell you how many myths I learned from the most righteous and religious white people about Black folks when I was a kid, including the myth that I, being blonde and blue-eyed, was a much better human being.

I gave up myths about both religion and the inferiority of minorities within about a 5 yr period as a teenager. It was a learning process because I had been lied to extensively and had so many to untangle.

198 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:03:50am

Ah yes, “American exceptionalism”. I don’t think those words mean what you think they do.

Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., on his plans to retire: ‘As I close this chapter in my life, I am excited to begin a new one that allows me to continue serving as a voice for American exceptionalism and support a strong national security policy agenda’ - statement via @NBCNews
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199 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:10:39am

re: #193 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Nope. I’ll put it on The List.

It’ has some interesting points.

200 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:11:41am

re: #191 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Probably like today, some people believed in them literally, others thought they were metaphorical and employed them metaphorically, and others had entirely different systems of thought.

The conspiracy stories of ancient Rome would be funny. “Caeser wasn’t actually killed in the senate, he’s still alive, it’s all a coverup.”

I think it has a lot to do with Frontal Lobe Development, but that’s just me.

201 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:12:43am

re: #192 wheat-dogghazi

Ahh, I didn’t know about that flood story. Thanks for the correction.

Maybe most all-powerful gods realize their mistakes and want to start over. We mortals don’t get do-overs, though.

Most “flood stories” can be easily accounted for; many literalists cite the universality of these stories as proof of a literal reading of the Old Testament.

However, if we look at the end of the last glacial maximum, of course ice dams and whatnot would have failed as glaciation retreated. That easily accounts for why these flood stories are so universal, because local floods, even of a significant magnitude, would have happened throughout the northern hemisphere as the last glacial maximum came to end.

202 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:15:08am

Daily Truth

203 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:17:25am

I love this pic. In 30 years, this kid is going to be know has they guy who Obama caught sleeping …

204 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:17:33am

re: #200 FemNaziBitch

I think it has a lot to do with Frontal Lobe Development, but that’s just me.

I’m not sure what you mean. Are you saying modern humans have more developed frontal lobes?

205 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:17:48am

re: #201 Dr Lizardo

Flood stories aren’t universal though.

206 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:17:52am

re: #202 FemNaziBitch

Daily Truth

That pretty much describes my house. :)

207 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:25:17am

re: #204 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I’m not sure what you mean. Are you saying modern humans have more developed frontal lobes?

I’m saying that in a past civilizations the pre-requisites for proper brain developement are not available to all members.

The best food, education, violence-free nurturing childhood were only available to the wealthy or “shaman” classes. Thus those few who made it into adulthood with the best chance of full brain development were few.

There might be some argument that mother’s who lived to see their children grow into adulthood perhaps gave those children a better chance of full brain development.

Without the ability to think about thoughts and ideas on an abstract, objective level, myths would be perceived as truth.

208 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:27:24am
Cranston testified at a previously scheduled budget hearing where lawmakers pressed DOC officials about rising overtime costs, increasing levels of violence and a growing mentally ill inmate population that now comprises about 40 percent of the roughly 12,000 inmates who make up the nation’s second-largest jail system.

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209 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:40:38am

re: #207 FemNaziBitch

I’m saying that in a past civilizations the pre-requisites for proper brain developement are not available to all members.

The best food, education, violence-free nurturing childhood were only available to the wealthy or “shaman” classes. Thus those few who made it into adulthood with the best chance of full brain development were few.

There might be some argument that mother’s who lived to see their children grow into adulthood perhaps gave those children a better chance of full brain development.

Without the ability to think about thoughts and ideas on an abstract, objective level, myths would be perceived as truth.

But we know that ancient people had the ability to think about thoughts and ideas on the abstract, objective level, and when we measure the frontal lobe development of modern people with bad nutrition, there’s no huge gap that I know of. Can I ask what source you’re getting this from?

210 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:41:22am

Good morning lizards!

Note: this is NOT a math quiz question from my kids school…

211 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:42:24am

re: #209 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

But we know that ancient people had the ability to think about thoughts and ideas on the abstract, objective level, and when we measure the frontal lobe development of modern people with bad nutrition, there’s no huge gap that I know of. Can I ask what source you’re getting this from?

EARLY MORNING memory and only one cuppa.

Let me rephrase. I think the ability to recognize myth as “examples” of truth or history is related to frontal lobe development.

Those without full brain development will be more likely to take myth as fact. Maybe true, Maybe not. YMMV

212 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:44:23am

re: #211 FemNaziBitch

EARLY MORNING memory and only one cuppa.

Let me rephrase. I think the ability to recognize myth as “examples” of truth or history is related to frontal lobe development.

Those without full brain development will be more likely to take myth as fact. Maybe true, Maybe not. YMMV

I can believe that lack of frontal lobe development could inhibit the ability to distinguish between myth and fact, abstract and concrete. What I’m asking is where you got the assertion that bad nutrition in ancient civilizations led to markedly different frontal lobe development in modern humans. I completely believe this could be true and it’s just something I haven’t run into.

213 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:45:17am

re: #210 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

Note: this is NOT a math quiz question from my kids school…

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I’m sorry, I’m not getting the connection between that test and ‘common core’. Can you explain?

214 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:48:22am

re: #205 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Flood stories aren’t universal though.

True; they’re exclusively (to best of my knowledge) from the northern hemisphere.

215 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:48:44am

re: #212 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I can believe that lack of frontal lobe development could inhibit the ability to distinguish between myth and fact, abstract and concrete. What I’m asking is where you got the assertion that bad nutrition in ancient civilizations led to markedly different frontal lobe development in modern humans. I completely believe this could be true and it’s just something I haven’t run into.

Oh, well, let me think.

poorer classes didn’t get meat. I think that is true in many civilizations.

during bad times, rich people always got food, the best available, poor people didn’t.

There is also the parasite issue. Poorer people could be wrought with internal parasites making nutrition absorbsion insufficient.

I’m thinking of the various stories I’ve heard of the poor section of England where people ate cabbage soup once a day if anything.

I don’t have the sources ready to hand and I’m to tired to look anything up. Have to give little girl dog her pill and go back to bed soon.

Hope I’ve given you some clues.

216 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:50:04am

re: #213 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I’m sorry, I’m not getting the connection between that test and ‘common core’. Can you explain?

It’s a meme that the wingnuts have been spamming all over Twitter. They think COMMON CORE IS TEH EBIL & IS MAKIN ARE KIDS BE TEH DUMB SO THEYLL BE TEH UNQUESTIONING OBAMA YOUTHS1!!!!!!!

217 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:50:19am

I probably shouldn’t have emphasized ancient.

I’m thinking of times in which we didn’t have global transportation and communication.

218 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:50:48am

re: #215 FemNaziBitch

Oh, well, let me think.

poorer classes didn’t get meat. I think that is true in many civilizations.

during bad times, rich people always got food, the best available, poor people didn’t.

There is also the parasite issue. Poorer people could be wrought with internal parasites making nutrition absorbs ion insufficient.

I’m thinking of the various stories I’ve heard of the poor section of England where people ate cabbage soup once a day if anything.

I don’t have the sources ready to hand and I’m to tired to look anything up. Have to give little girl dog her pill and go back to bed soon.

Hope I’ve given you some clues.

Well, I can completely accept all that but that doesn’t mean that this poorer nutrition led to a measurable or meaningful difference in frontal lobe formation. There’s other stuff to consider, too— things were less polluted back then, and heavy metals do fuck up brain development. It’s possible that, despite worse nutrition, people living in ancient times in unpolluted areas actually had better brain development than we do, because of less exposure to heavy metals.

I hope your dog tolerates the pill well and feels better.

219 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:52:16am

re: #216 Pie-onist Overlord

It’s a meme that the wingnuts have been spamming all over Twitter. They think COMMON CORE IS TEH EBIL & IS MAKIN ARE KIDS BE TEH DUMB SO THEYLL BE TEH UNQUESTIONING OBAMA YOUTHS1!!!!!!!

But… it’s one question on one test, and it looks like a typo. Who would think that was significant?

220 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:53:48am

re: #218 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Well, I can completely accept all that but that doesn’t mean that this poorer nutrition led to a measurable or meaningful difference in frontal lobe formation. There’s other stuff to consider, too— things were less polluted back then, and heavy metals do fuck up brain development. It’s possible that, despite worse nutrition, people living in ancient times in unpolluted areas actually had better brain development than we do, because of less exposure to heavy metals.

I hope your dog tolerates the pill well and feels better.

Thanks.

Yes, there are many factors other than nutrition—usually related to economic status.

regarding storytelling/myth vs educating with facts:

There might also be communication issues. It’s easier to tell a story and have it remembered to uneducated people or people with only partial knowledge of the language in which the story is told.

221 Jay in Oregon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:57:36am

re: #181 Justanotherhuman

What will people be saying about us in 2,000 years, I wonder?

“What the fuck is a Dogecoin?”

222 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:58:38am

re: #220 FemNaziBitch

Thanks.

Yes, there are many factors other than nutrition—usually related to economic status.

regarding storytelling/myth vs educating with facts:

There might also be communication issues. It’s easier to tell a story and have it remembered to uneducated people or people with only partial knowledge of the language in which the story is told.

I suspect this is one reason why Creationists accept the Genesis story much more easily than the theory of evolution. Evolution can be made into an interesting story — one that takes eons to unfold — but no one as yet has made it as compelling or as easy to comprehend as Genesis.

Some people prefer “just so” stories, in other words.

223 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:59:09am

re: #222 wheat-dogghazi

I suspect this is one reason why Creationists accept the Genesis story much more easily than the theory of evolution. Evolution can be made into an interesting story — one that takes eons to unfold — but no one as yet has made it as compelling or as easy to comprehend as Genesis.

Some people prefer “just so” stories, in other words.

Genesis isn’t easy to understand at all, though. It also has two contradictory stories.

224 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:00:01am

re: #221 Jay in Oregon

“What the fuck is a Dogecoin?”

Not to mention the legends of people walking on the moon when everyone knows space travel is impossible … :(

225 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:01:21am

re: #223 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Genesis isn’t easy to understand at all, though. It also has two contradictory stories.

Sure. I know that, and you know that, but how many fundamentalist Sunday school teachers are going to analyze Genesis that closely? The story the fundies focus on is Adam came first, then God pulled out a rib and made Eve. The simultaneous creation version gets short shrift.

226 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:02:51am

re: #225 wheat-dogghazi

Sure. I know that, and you know that, but how many fundamentalist Sunday school teachers are going to analyze Genesis that closely? The story the fundies focus on is Adam came first, then God pulled out a rib and made Eve. The simultaneous creation version gets short shrift.

The Midrash and the Talmud split some very fine hairs discussing all the details of Torah.

227 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:03:12am

re: #225 wheat-dogghazi

Sure. I know that, and you know that, but how many fundamentalist Sunday school teachers are going to analyze Genesis that closely?

No, seriously, dude, even the boiled-down, simplified version of Genesis doesn’t make any more sense than evolution.

Genesis: God created stuff, and then he created humans, then he got mad at them and kicked them out of this cool garden because they ate an apple he told them not to eat and became smart.

Evolution: Things change to adapt to their habitats over time.

If you go any more detailed than that, at all, into the actual progression of events in Genesis, it makes no sense at all.

228 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:05:19am

re: #223 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Genesis isn’t easy to understand at all, though. It also has two contradictory stories.

Most people ignore that and treat them as different parts of the same story. Most of the fundamentalists I’ve known get upset if you try to say that they’re two stories - it’s even worse than pointing out how Noah was lifted boat, critter & mountain from the Sumerians because “they’re just remembering the same thing with the names wrong”.

The Yahwist, the Elohist, the Deuteronomist and the Priestly sources & the redactor are more mythological to them than anything.

229 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:07:02am

re: #228 William Barnett-Lewis

Most people ignore that and treat them as different parts of the same story. Most of the fundamentalists I’ve known get upset if you try to say that they’re two stories - it’s even worse than pointing out how Noah was lifted boat, critter & mountain from the Sumerians because “they’re just remembering the same thing with the names wrong”.

The Yahwist, the Elohist, the Deuteronomist and the Priestly sources & the redactor are more mythological to them than anything.

And fundies really don’t like it when you point that the Sumerian version is considerably older.

230 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:08:00am

re: #84 Skip Intro

No reason at all. The real question is why an ark at all? Couldn’t God just have recreated everything after he got done covering up the evidence of his initial total failure?

He didn’t fail. The creatures on the planet failed him, even though it was just a select few hu-mans.

231 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:08:02am

Now why does Erick Erick refer to Emma Watson by a character she played in another movie, but doesn’t refer to Russell Crowe as Maximus or Javert?

232 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:09:27am

re: #229 Dr Lizardo

And fundies really don’t like it when you point that the Sumerian version is considerably older.

Most of the ones I’ve run it wave that off as science being fooled by their foolish reliance of false dating methods (Carbon 14 & etc). Nothing can be that old so it isn’t…

smh

233 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:10:04am

re: #213 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I’m sorry, I’m not getting the connection between that test and ‘common core’. Can you explain?

If you look on the top left of that page it says NYS COMMON CORE MATHEMATICS CURRICULUM.

234 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:10:54am

People get told a nice, simple story when they are little children and get upset when they find out, as adults, that there is more to the story.

TO BELIEVE anything but what they were taught is children is, on some level, to accept that their parent, teacher, whoever lied to them.

Strange issues with loyalty and trust. Many people never become emotionally mature enough to deal with it.

Perhaps we aren’t talking frontal lobe intellectual intelligence, but what ever part of the brain allows for emotional maturity is stunted somehow.

235 Timothy Watson  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:11:21am
I think the roots of this antagonism to science run very deep. They’re ancient. We see them in Genesis, this first story, this founding myth of ours, in which the first humans are doomed and cursed eternally for asking a question, for partaking of the fruit of the “Tree of Knowledge”. It’s puzzling that Eden is synonymous with paradise when, if you think about it at all, it’s more like a maximum-security prison with twenty-four hour surveillance. It’s a horrible place. Adam and Eve have no childhood. They awaken full-grown. What is a human being without a childhood? Our long childhood is a critical feature of our species. It differentiates us, to a degree, from most other species. We take a longer time to mature. We depend upon these formative years and the social fabric to learn many of the things we need to know.

-Ann Druyan (Carl Sagan’s widow and one of the writers for the original Cosmos series)

236 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:11:23am

re: #232 William Barnett-Lewis

Most of the ones I’ve run it wave that off as science being fooled by their foolish reliance of false dating methods (Carbon 14 & etc). Nothing can be that old so it isn’t…

smh

Heh.

Yeah, even things like Göbekli Tepe throws them into a snit. It can be amusing, if it weren’t so vaguely pathetic.

237 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:11:42am

re: #233 NJDhockeyfan

If you look on the top left of that page it says >NYS COMMON CORE MATHEMATICS CURRICULUM.

Right, and so what? There’s a typo or a weird question on one test. There’s a typo in the PJ Wodehouse novel I’m reading.

What’s the point? Why is this significant or funny or whatever to you?

238 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:13:29am

re: #227 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

No, seriously, dude, even the boiled-down, simplified version of Genesis doesn’t make any more sense than evolution.

Genesis: God created stuff, and then he created humans, then he got mad at them and kicked them out of this cool garden because they ate an apple he told them not to eat and became smart.

Evolution: Things change to adapt to their habitats over time.

If you go any more detailed than that, at all, into the actual progression of events in Genesis, it makes no sense at all.

I’m not disagreeing with you, but from the perspective of Biblical literalists, Genesis is a more appealing story, because on the surface it’s not as hard to understand as science. Plus, there’s the whole notion that “God wrote the Bible” vs. “Darwin wrote evolution.” God’s going to win the authority face-off.

239 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:14:40am

re: #231 Pie-onist Overlord

Now why does Erick Erick refer to Emma Watson by a character she played in another movie, but doesn’t refer to Russell Crowe as Maximus or Javert?

I think he’s got a fanboi crush on Emma. I bet he played Harry in his dream.

240 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:15:34am

Back in a bit.

241 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:17:18am

nytol

242 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:17:22am

Liberals can also get stupid on Teh Twitters. I just had to unfollow & block someone I was following because of spamming the hashtags with sockpuppets.

For some reason liberals do this more than wingnuts. It’s annoying.

243 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:20:11am
244 andres  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:20:54am

re: #231 Pie-onist Overlord

Now why does Erick Erick refer to Emma Watson by a character she played in another movie, but doesn’t refer to Russell Crowe as Maximus or Javert?

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Besides Son of Erick being an ass? My guess would be that many people in his target audience would not remember who Emma Watson is unless the explicit Harry Potter connection is made.

And coming from Erickson, it may also double as a take down on Harry Potter.

245 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:21:03am

Oh, the drama already this morning. Good grief.

246 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:23:58am

Trump’s stupidity. It burns. First it was his birtherism. Now he’s an anti-vaxxer.

Tell that to the folks in NYC who are dealing with a measles outbreak because too many parents refused to get their kids vaccinated. Some of those with the infection are too young to get vaccinated. It’s now 21 cases, 11 pediatric, 10 adults.

Of the adults infected, the majority thought they had been vaccinated, but lacked documentation.

There are outbreaks in other major US cities as well, and it’s invariably sourced to the refusal by parents to get their kids vaccinated. And it’s people like Trump, McCarthy, and Cutler who are creating a public health crisis as a result of their ignorance, stupidity, and whose combined medical training can be measured with a scanning electron microscope.

247 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:29:17am

TEH STUPID. I JUST CAN’T EVEN.

248 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:30:07am

re: #246 lawhawk

Trump’s stupidity. It burns. First it was his birtherism. Now he’s an anti-vaxxer.

Tell that to the folks in NYC who are dealing with a measles outbreak because too many parents refused to get their kids vaccinated. Some of those with the infection are too young to get vaccinated. It’s now 21 cases, 11 pediatric, 10 adults.

Of the adults infected, the majority thought they had been vaccinated, but lacked documentation.

There are outbreaks in other major US cities as well, and it’s invariably sourced to the refusal by parents to get their kids vaccinated. And it’s people like Trump, McCarthy, and Cutler who are creating a public health crisis as a result of their ignorance, stupidity, and whose combined medical training can be measured with a scanning electron microscope.

Trump should just shave his head and go into full Lex Luthor Mode. Except for the fact that he’s not savvy or smart enough to actually pull it off. But he would probably be convincing enough to get additional funding from a number of rich idiots.

249 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:32:26am

re: #231 Pie-onist Overlord

Now why does Erick Erick refer to Emma Watson by a character she played in another movie, but doesn’t refer to Russell Crowe as Maximus or Javert?

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I wondered that aloud myself, and I also noted that Ronald Reagan would not have approved. My best guess is that he refers to Emma Watson as ‘Hermione’ to demonstrate his contempt for the Noah movie, and because Watson’s role in the Harry Potter movie is how he still sees her.

250 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:35:39am

re: #231 Pie-onist Overlord

He’s fixated on her prepubescence?

I don’t know.

I’m a huge fan of the Potter series, and watching the characters grow and become, well, actors, was interesting to watch. Watson looks like she’s got a very bright future ahead of her, and she’s matured in to a quite beautiful young woman who has picked some interesting and challenging roles since the Potter series ended. Don’t get the fixation on Hermoine though.

But we’re talking about Erickson, so logic and reasoning do not apply.

251 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:35:54am

It’s fun watching the Rand Paul wingnuts lock horns with the Santorum wingnuts.

252 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:38:40am

re: #246 lawhawk

Trump’s stupidity. It burns. First it was his birtherism. Now he’s an anti-vaxxer.

Tell that to the folks in NYC who are dealing with a measles outbreak because too many parents refused to get their kids vaccinated. Some of those with the infection are too young to get vaccinated. It’s now 21 cases, 11 pediatric, 10 adults.

Of the adults infected, the majority thought they had been vaccinated, but lacked documentation.

There are outbreaks in other major US cities as well, and it’s invariably sourced to the refusal by parents to get their kids vaccinated. And it’s people like Trump, McCarthy, and Cutler who are creating a public health crisis as a result of their ignorance, stupidity, and whose combined medical training can be measured with a scanning electron microscope.

Don’t put Jay Cutler in with Trump, it’s not him who made the decision not to vaccinate his son, his wife made it. Relatively few men will oppose their wives on an issue where the wife feels this strongly, as to do so often leads to a good bit of discord (especially given Kristen Cavallari’s larger-than-normal ego).

253 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:39:50am

re: #251 Pie-onist Overlord

It’s fun watching the Rand Paul wingnuts lock horns with the Santorum wingnuts.

What are they fighting about and who’s taking what position?

254 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:41:35am

re: #253 Dark_Falcon

What are they fighting about and who’s taking what position?

They’re just tweeting memes at each other.

255 makeitstop  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:42:06am

‘Morning, Lizards,

So the wife and I came to a decision that nearly a year after the death of our Cody was enough time without a dog, and we went and did something about it.

Courtesy of our local rescue shelter, I give you… Scout.

Scout, our new puppy.

256 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:42:10am
257 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:43:23am
258 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:43:27am

re: #250 lawhawk

But we’re talking about Erickson, so logic and reasoning do not apply.

Someone should ask him if he refers to Natalie Portman as “Mathilda”… :whistle:

259 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:44:43am

re: #252 Dark_Falcon

Don’t put Jay Cutler in with Trump, it’s not him who made the decision not to vaccinate his son, his wife made it. Relatively few men will oppose their wives on an issue where the wife feels this strongly, as to do so often leads to a good bit of discord (especially given Kristen Cavallari’s larger-than-normal ego).

Sorry but I can’t cut him any slack. Divorce is the only reasonable response to someone intentionally putting your child’s life at risk for no reason at all.

260 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:45:37am

re: #252 Dark_Falcon

Don’t put Jay Cutler in with Trump, it’s not him who made the decision not to vaccinate his son, his wife made it. Relatively few men will oppose their wives on an issue where the wife feels this strongly, as to do so often leads to a good bit of discord (especially given Kristen Cavallari’s larger-than-normal ego).

Nonsense. He’s just as responsible as his wife. He’s going along with it, and isn’t disputing his wife’s ill-informed, ignorant, scientifically discredited, and junk science based nonsensical worldview.

Cutler has the benefit of working for a professional football team with a team of doctors and professional health experts, and yet he’s still allowing his children to go unvaccinated.

What happens when he or his teammates fall ill with one of those diseases that could be prevented by vaccination? He’s supposed to be a leader of a pro football team. He leads.

Instead, she’s showing a stunning lack of leadership - and leading in a wholly unhealthy direction. I hold him responsible just as surely as his wife is responsible. There’s no cutting him any slack on this.

261 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:50:03am

Hey look, this wingnut is using my graphic for his avatar. It still has my watermark on it.

262 b.d.  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:52:29am

re: #255 makeitstop

‘Morning, Lizards,

So the wife and I came to a decision that nearly a year after the death of our Cody was enough time without a dog, and we went and did something about it.

Courtesy of our local rescue shelter, I give you… Scout.

Scout, our new puppy.

Scout is a beautiful dog, congratulations.

263 makeitstop  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:58:40am

re: #262 b.d.

Scout is a beautiful dog, congratulations.

Thanks! He’s a handsome devil for sure. And inside of 24 hours he’s run the wife and I into exhaustion.

I will have my revenge, though - he goes for his shots today. :)

264 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:58:46am

re: #255 makeitstop

Congratulations, and ‘Hello, Scout’! May you live long and prosper.

265 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 7:00:12am

re: #263 makeitstop

Thanks! He’s a handsome devil for sure. And inside of 24 hours he’s run the wife and I into exhaustion.

I will have my revenge, though - he goes for his shots today. :)

Has he claimed the shoes that are in the picture yet?

266 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 7:02:48am
this first story, this founding myth of ours, in which the first humans are doomed and cursed eternally for asking a question

We’re not supposed to question God. Now please stop taking away all the freedoms of RWNJ. //

267 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 7:03:15am

re: #261 Pie-onist Overlord

Hey look, this wingnut is using my graphic for his avatar. It still has my watermark on it.

Report him to Twitter. They do take that sort of thing fairly seriously.

268 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 7:06:09am

re: #260 lawhawk

Cutler’s never really been a leader in that way, preferring instead to take many of his cues from others.

269 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 7:06:10am

Another politician soon to be headed to prison. This guy only last 6 months.

270 makeitstop  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 7:07:15am

re: #265 Feline Fearless Leader

Has he claimed the shoes that are in the picture yet?

No, we moved them. And in the nick of time, too - yesterday was his ‘checking out the new digs’ day. He figured out the joys of chewing on stuff just this morning.

He’s sure taken a shine to my wife, though. He even conquered a full set of stairs to go and sit with her as she got ready for work this morning.

271 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 7:09:19am

re: #267 Dark_Falcon

Report him to Twitter. They do take that sort of thing fairly seriously.

I did not copyright that image, I made it available on my website years ago.

I just think it’s real stupid to leave the watermark on it.

272 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 7:09:27am

re: #251 Pie-onist Overlord

And I’m fresh out of popcorn.

273 BongCrodny  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 7:10:58am

re: #251 Pie-onist Overlord

It’s fun watching the Rand Paul wingnuts lock horns with the Santorum wingnuts.

re: #253 Dark_Falcon

What are they fighting about and who’s taking what position?

With apologies to Irving Berlin:

Anything you can derp I can derp better,
I can derp anything better than you.

274 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 7:13:39am

re: #273 BongCrodny

With apologies to Irving Berlin:

Anything you can derp I can derp better,
I can derp anything better than you.

No you can’t!

275 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 7:15:13am
276 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 7:21:19am
277 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 7:22:51am

re: #276 NJDhockeyfan

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[snicker]

278 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 7:34:29am

Relevant to Trump, anti-vaxxers, and the religious right.

What anti-vaxxers, Taliban, and Nigerian jihadis have in common:

I recently returned from a trip to Nigeria, where an insane posse called Boko Haram has been massacring men, women and children in the name of eradicating the malign effects of western education.

Among its primary targets are health care workers bringing vaccines against polio. Boko Haram is taught to believe that vaccinations are part of a Western plot to sterilize Africans or to spread HIV. These organized psychopaths have killed about a dozen women working on polio eradication in the last six months. Similar conspiracy theories are rampant in Pakistan, where the Taliban has killed between 50 and 60 health workers since 2012. The result is that in Nigeria and Pakistan, polio, a disease that has been basically eradicated from the Western world, is surging back, as it is in Syria.

It’s no surprise to encounter ignorance and suspicion about modern medical advances in the more backward regions of the planet. But this month, New York City is in the midst of a measles outbreak. The disease has affected 21 people and is centered in northern Manhattan, right where I happen to live.

Doctors say this rare outbreak is made possible thanks in part to the vogue, among a certain set of sophisticated Americans, not to vaccinate its children. Like Boko Haram and the Taliban, the Western “unvaxxed” believe, contrary to all scientific research, that vaccinations cause autism or that they can make children weaker and more vulnerable to other disorders. Some suggest that scientific denials are further proof of a conspiracy. One unvaxxer emailed me to point out that the federal government has a website for reporting adverse vaccination events and a fund to compensate the injured, proving, apparently, that the experts know vaccines are bad.

New York City, with its highly mobile community of global travelers and immigrants, is especially vulnerable to imported diseases that the Western world has, thanks to medical science, almost eradicated. But the unvaxxers can use modern courts, lawyers and legislation as a cudgel with which to beat our community back into the Stone Age.

They bend the laws and hire lawyers to force New York City schools to let their kids in. While they sometimes sue private schools, they really go after the public schools, where a presumption in favor of universal education weakens any stand against them.

279 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 7:37:02am

re: #247 Pie-onist Overlord

TEH STUPID. I JUST CAN’T EVEN.

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Water is mandatory for you to live, ingest too much and it can kill you. Vitamins are good for you, but too much of some of those same vitamins and they become toxic in your system. Why does it have to be either one end of the spectrum or the other with these people? A good thing can become bad when you overdo the balance.

280 Dr. Matt  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 7:40:42am

How did Noah prevent the velociraptors from eating the cows, pigs, and sheep…..and everything else for that matter?

And where the fuck did all that water drain off to?

Finally….for fuck sake…..how the hell did land animals, that only existed on other continents, make the trek to the ark?

281 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 7:43:05am

re: #280 Dr. Matt

How did Noah prevent the velociraptors from eating the cows, pigs, and sheep…..and everything else for that matter?

And where the fuck did all that water drain off to?

Finally….for fuck sake…..how the hell did land animals, that only existed on other continents, make the trek to the ark?

Because shut up.
/

282 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 7:48:02am

re: #278 lawhawk

What I don’t understand is why anti-vaxxers, most or all of whom were vaccinated as children, believe vaccinations to be so dangerous. They’re not autistic, aren’t suffering from those diseases or apparently other ailments (other than stupidity), so why do they think their kids will suffer if they get vaccines?

283 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 7:49:12am

re: #280 Dr. Matt

How did Noah prevent the velociraptors from eating the cows, pigs, and sheep…..and everything else for that matter?

And where the fuck did all that water drain off to?

Finally….for fuck sake…..how the hell did land animals, that only existed on other continents, make the trek to the ark?

The Rock Monsters collected all the animals.

284 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 7:50:00am

re: #280 Dr. Matt

The velociraptors died in the flood and there was only one continent, the flood caused all the separate continents and all the water drained off into the ocean or evaporated into the air and stop asking questions…

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285 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 7:52:53am

re: #280 Dr. Matt

All the animals and people ate grass and How Come If Evolution Is True There Are Still Monkeys?????!?!1

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286 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 7:55:08am

re: #282 wheat-dogghazi

What I don’t understand is why anti-vaxxers, most or all of whom were vaccinated as children, believe vaccinations to be so dangerous. They’re not autistic, aren’t suffering from those diseases or apparently other ailments (other than stupidity), so why do they think their kids will suffer if they get vaccines?

Probably because none recall the horrors of what their parents saw when kids were unvaccinated and infected with polio, or who died from measles or mumps, or whooping cough, or any of the other wholly preventable diseases. They think that the danger is no longer present from those diseases so they don’t have to worry, or give their kids the vaccinations.

Heck, the MMR was reformulated after the Thimerosal hysteria, and yet autism rates continue rising. Oh, and it’s been in vaccines since the 1930s without any effect.

287 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 7:58:41am

re: #280 Dr. Matt

How did Noah prevent the velociraptors from eating the cows, pigs, and sheep…..and everything else for that matter?

And where the fuck did all that water drain off to?

Finally….for fuck sake…..how the hell did land animals, that only existed on other continents, make the trek to the ark?

There were fewer species of animals and Noah just had to bring in the root “kinds” (sort of archetypes). They then migrated and sub-speciated after the flood while they repopulated the world.

So Noah only brought two beetles onto the ark. And they moved quickly obviously since the oceans should have already been filled. (Or something-something about all the water lubricating the plates and allowing the continents to slide apart quickly. It worked for John Cusack!)
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288 iossarian  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:00:18am

re: #282 wheat-dogghazi

What I don’t understand is why anti-vaxxers, most or all of whom were vaccinated as children, believe vaccinations to be so dangerous. They’re not autistic, aren’t suffering from those diseases or apparently other ailments (other than stupidity), so why do they think their kids will suffer if they get vaccines?

I think two things are going on:

1) Autism has gone up, and there’s no well-established explanation for that, that I’m aware of. This is scary to parents, obviously, and so there needs to be an explanation. There’s some bogus science out there that tied autism to vaccination - specifically MMR, which I believe is relatively recent (compared to separate vaccinations for mumps, measles, rubella). So it’s relatively easy for people to glom onto “contemporary vaccinations cause autism”.

2) More broadly, in the case of well-educated, bright parents, due to the vanishing middle class, there’s a genuine fear of “regression to the mean” for their children, where it’s not unreasonable to believe that unless your kid does really well at school, college etc., they’re going to end up worse off than you. I think this is largely what drives the whole helicopter parent thing, of which anti-vaccination is just one highly specific outcome.

To be even broader, I think that Westerners in the past 30 years have been actively encouraged towards selfish behavior by successive right-wing or neo-liberal governments. In that context it makes perfect sense to say “screw the herd” and “protect” your own kid.

289 Dr. Matt  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:01:43am
Fox’s Geraldo Rivera: Crooked politicians on the Democratic side ‘tend to be ethnic’

Rivera made his own offensive remarks Friday morning during a “Fox & Friends” debate on media coverage of recent political scandals involving Democratic public officials.

“Usually, the politicians who are robbing on the Democratic side tend to be ethnic politicians, as in these cases,” Rivera said.

And they wear hoodies….

290 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:02:37am

re: #286 lawhawk

Probably because none recall the horrors of what their parents saw when kids were unvaccinated and infected with polio, or who died from measles or mumps, or whooping cough, or any of the other wholly preventable diseases. They think that the danger is no longer present from those diseases so they don’t have to worry, or give their kids the vaccinations.

Heck, the MMR was reformulated after the Thimerosal hysteria, and yet autism rates continue rising. Oh, and it’s been in vaccines since the 1930s without any effect.

True. My parents were born before most vaccinations were available, so they lived through polio, whooping cough, etc., scares. Back then, schools would close for days if one or more kids contracted one of those childhood diseases. When I came along, they did not hesitate to get me immunized. One of the earliest memories is standing in line somewhere to get my sugar cube laced with polio(?) vaccine. When my kids came along, there was also no hesitation, although by the time our youngest came along, my ex was already leaning in the alt-med, anti-vax direction. I insisted, and he got his shots.

Sad to say, it might take another epidemic to knock some sense into these people, but I guess the True Believers will deflect the blame onto someone else.

291 Dr. Matt  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:03:23am

Back to Noah, how did freshwater bodies of water form if they entire planet was one big ocean? How did freshwater species survive during the flood?

292 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:05:07am

re: #291 Dr. Matt

Back to Noah, how did freshwater bodies of water form if they entire planet was one big ocean? How did freshwater species survive during the flood?

It will eventually boil down to one of two answers:
1. It’s a fictional tale, therefore it does not have to match reality and logic.
2. Because God.

293 iossarian  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:05:40am

re: #292 Feline Fearless Leader

It’s will eventually boil down to one of two answers:
1. It’s a fictional tale, therefore it does not have to match reality and logic.
2. Because God.

Man was not meant to wot of such things.

294 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:06:06am

re: #291 Dr. Matt

Back to Noah, how did freshwater bodies of water form if they entire planet was one big ocean? How did freshwater species survive during the flood?

You ask too many questions! Stop interrupting the class! I will need to speak to your parents about this, young man!

//

295 Dr. Matt  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:07:24am

re: #294 wheat-dogghazi

You ask too many questions! Stop interrupting the class! I will need to speak to your parents about this, young man!

//

I got kicked out of class often. True story.

296 Petero1818  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:07:35am

See thats exactly the problem. I remember when Obama came into office I am pretty sure on his agenda was the introduction of the “Massive Shot Immunization that kids can’t handle Program”. As I recall he wanted the insurers to actually pay for that shit too.//

297 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:08:19am

re: #295 Dr. Matt

I got kicked out of class often. True story.

We’ll give you some extra work on studying abiotic oil and how peak oil is a total lie then.
:p

298 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:09:37am

At this point I need to again note that anti-vaxxers are a phenomenon on both ends of the political spectrum. Their reasons can vary, but neither party bears primary blame for anti-vaccine sentiment.

What anti-vaxxism often comes down to is the need some people have to feel superior to the ordinary “sheeple” and the dislike they have for large corporations.

299 GunstarGreen  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:10:54am

re: #13 Killgore Trout

There has been an outrage
Colbert Tweet Triggers Firestorm, #CancelColbert Twitter Trend

SJWs are why we can’t have nice things.

Today I learned that “transmisogynist” is now a word that very srs people use very srsly.

300 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:12:48am

re: #298 Dark_Falcon

At this point I need to again note that anti-vaxxers are a phenomenon on both ends of the political spectrum. Their reasons can vary, but neither party bears primary blame for anti-vaccine sentiment.

What anti-vaxxism often comes down to is the need some people have to feel superior to the ordinary “sheeple” and the dislike they have for large corporations.

And conventional medical science in general, I might add. There’s a pretty good overlap between the anti-vax and alt-med groups.

301 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:17:34am

Yanukovych wants what just happened in Crimea to happen in the rest of Ukraine.

302 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:20:32am

re: #299 GunstarGreen

SJWs Overserious Busybodies are why we can’t have nice things.

Today I learned that “transmisogynist” is now a word that very srs people use very srsly.

Slight alteration. It’s well to remember in cases like this that the Dems have done a much better job keeping the lid on their crazies since the 2006 midterms. But that can’t always happen and in this case the killjoy moonbats have gotten loose to annoy liberals who actually want to have fun with their barking and guano-dropping.

303 Petero1818  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:20:41am

re: #260 lawhawk

Nonsense. He’s just as responsible as his wife. He’s going along with it, and isn’t disputing his wife’s ill-informed, ignorant, scientifically discredited, and junk science based nonsensical worldview.

Cutler has the benefit of working for a professional football team with a team of doctors and professional health experts, and yet he’s still allowing his children to go unvaccinated.

What happens when he or his teammates fall ill with one of those diseases that could be prevented by vaccination? He’s supposed to be a leader of a pro football team. He leads.

Instead, she’s showing a stunning lack of leadership - and leading in a wholly unhealthy direction. I hold him responsible just as surely as his wife is responsible. There’s no cutting him any slack on this.

As a Broncos fan I have no love for Jay Cutler. Nor do I believe him to be much of a leader. But I have to agree that in a case where 2 parents disagree on a subject like this, the parent refusing the vaccination is likely to win out in most cases. At the end of the day, the more immediate of the risks to parents and presumably first time parents that are hyper sensitive early on) is the autism diagnosis . The parent that wants to vaccinate faces the reality that if s/he wins out and forces the vaccination and if the child turns out to be autisitic (even if there IS NO LINK) his marriage will likely be over. Now you may argue the same about the non vaccinating parent winning and a child getting polio or mumps and being seriously ill or dying, and you would be right, but at this time in history the autism threat is more immediate than the others. That will likely change if this movement grows but for now that is the reality. I would also add that in many households particularly in the first year or so of life, where the mother is likely to be the primary caregiver (and certainly is in the Cutler household), the mother would carry more weight in issues around the child’s health and safety. There are lots of men that are leaders in the boardroom and at work and defer to their spouses around issues of health and safety of children.

304 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:22:46am

re: #303 Petero1818

As a Broncos fan I have no love for Jay Cutler. Nor do I believe him to be much of a leader. But I have to agree that in a case where 2 parents disagree on a subject like this, the parent refusing the vaccination is likely to win out in most cases. At the end of the day, the more immediate of the risks to parents and presumably first time parents that are hyper sensitive early on) is the autism diagnosis . The parent that wants to vaccinate faces the reality that if s/he wins out and forces the vaccination and if the child turns out to be autisitic (even if there IS NO LINK) his marriage will likely be over. Now you may argue the same about the non vaccinating parent winning and a child getting polio or mumps and being seriously ill or dying, and you would be right, but at this time in history the autism threat is more immediate than the others. That will likely change if this movement grows but for now that is the reality. I would also add that in many households particularly in the first year or so of life, where the mother is likely to be the primary caregiver (and certainly is in the Cutler household), the mother would carry more weight in issues around the child’s health and safety. There are lots of men that are leaders in the boardroom and at work and defer to their spouses around issues of health and safety of children.

I didn’t. The ex wanted our youngest to skip immunizations. I refused to go along with such nonsense.

One of many reasons why she’s the ex.

305 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:23:06am

re: #300 wheat-dogghazi

And conventional medical science in general, I might add. There’s a pretty good overlap between the anti-vax and alt-med groups.

Very true, and very much worth remembering. Both such groups see mainstream medicine as being controlled by Ebbill Corporations, Man! or the Satanic Government!!1.

306 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:24:12am

Today’s geology tidbit -

en.wikipedia.org

One of the challenges for doing geology in the eastern US is that the rock exposures are generally heavily weathered or covered up by trees and undergrowth. Thus the great value of road cuts, quarries, and old mines.

This location is from eastern PA where a strip mine worked down to the underlying sand stone formation. Exposes the folding caused by plate movement and so forth. My brother just visited there with a field trip and posted some photos on Facebook, but you’ll have to settle for the ones on the Wiki page.

And this stuff doesn’t fit the Noah time scheme either.

307 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:24:55am

re: #303 Petero1818

Only problem with that view - autism is not correlated with vaccinations. After nearly 20 years of trying to find a link, none can be found in rigorous studies.

It just isn’t there. Autism does not have a link to vaccinations, let alone the MMR vaccination. It was a theory propped up by a bogus study that was forced to be retracted due to malfeasance on the part of the author - Andrew Wakefield.

Since then, there have been countless studies and research on autism and there are now signs that autism develops in the womb, and that there are also environmental triggers. Vaccination isn’t one.

But these people are still holding to the vaccination causes autism trope, and they’re putting lives in danger.

308 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:25:25am

re: #301 NJDhockeyfan

Yanukovych wants what just happened in Crimea to happen in the rest of Ukraine.

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“referendums”

309 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:25:50am

re: #303 Petero1818

As a Broncos fan I have no love for Jay Cutler. Nor do I believe him to be much of a leader. But I have to agree that in a case where 2 parents disagree on a subject like this, the parent refusing the vaccination is likely to win out in most cases. At the end of the day, the more immediate of the risks to parents and presumably first time parents that are hyper sensitive early on) is the autism diagnosis . The parent that wants to vaccinate faces the reality that if s/he wins out and forces the vaccination and if the child turns out to be autisitic (even if there IS NO LINK) his marriage will likely be over. Now you may argue the same about the non vaccinating parent winning and a child getting polio or mumps and being seriously ill or dying, and you would be right, but at this time in history the autism threat is more immediate than the others. That will likely change if this movement grows but for now that is the reality. I would also add that in many households particularly in the first year or so of life, where the mother is likely to be the primary caregiver (and certainly is in the Cutler household), the mother would carry more weight in issues around the child’s health and safety. There are lots of men that are leaders in the boardroom and at work and defer to their spouses around issues of health and safety of children.

That bolded portion is very relevant. I thank you for saying it, since I wanted to say something similar but couldn’t figure out how to do so without the risk of coming across as sexist.

310 Timothy Watson  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:26:01am

re: #288 iossarian

The reason the number of autism cases has gone up is because the definition of autism has been broaden repeatedly.

The word “autism” wasn’t coined until 1938. For years, kids who were always autistic were considered “mentally retarded”, “learning disabled”, etc.

311 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:26:45am

re: #301 NJDhockeyfan

Wonderful. /

312 ObserverArt  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:28:52am

re: #255 makeitstop

‘Morning, Lizards,

So the wife and I came to a decision that nearly a year after the death of our Cody was enough time without a dog, and we went and did something about it.

Courtesy of our local rescue shelter, I give you… Scout.

He’s a handsome doggie…and I bet Cody would approve.

313 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:28:56am

re: #306 Feline Fearless Leader

Today’s geology tidbit -

en.wikipedia.org

One of the challenges for doing geology in the eastern US is that the rock exposures are generally heavily weathered or covered up by trees and undergrowth. Thus the great value of road cuts, quarries, and old mines.

This location is from eastern PA where a strip mine worked down to the underlying sand stone formation. Exposes the folding caused by plate movement and so forth. My brother just visited there with a field trip and posted some photos on Facebook, but you’ll have to settle for the ones on the Wiki page.

And this stuff doesn’t fit the Noah time scheme either.

Early geologists in early 19th century England reluctantly abandoned the notion that the Biblical Flood laid down all those layers of rock as the time scales involved became clear. William Smith was the first to notice that different layers contained organisms not present in earlier or later layers, meaning it would have been impossible for all those different critters to have been alive at the same time.

314 Dr. Matt  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:31:31am

This month Nature (free full access) published a supplementary issue on vaccines with a nice piece entitled, Public health: An injection of trust

315 iossarian  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:33:44am

re: #310 Timothy Watson

The reason the number of autism cases has gone up is because the definition of autism has been broaden repeatedly.

The word “autism” wasn’t coined until 1938. For years, kids who were always autistic were considered “mentally retarded”, “learning disabled”, etc.

I’m not an expert by any means, but I don’t think that’s the whole story. I’ve met several GPs and other people who deal with early childhood stuff (my mother was a speech therapist who focused on learning disabilities) and they all tend to say that, while the definition *has* been broadened, there are also more kids today who fall under the broad definition than there would have been ~50 years ago.

316 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:33:55am

An incorrect and ignorant viewpoint is ignorant and wrong no matter who holds it. Claiming vaccinations lead to autism is both ignorant and incorrect.

People who make the claim need to be disabused of this fact.

317 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:34:48am

re: #313 wheat-dogghazi

Early geologists in early 19th century England reluctantly abandoned the notion that the Biblical Flood laid down all those layers of rock as the time scales involved became clear. William Smith was the first to notice that different layers contained organisms not present in earlier or later layers, meaning it would have been impossible for all those different critters to have been alive at the same time.

In addition to noticing how beds were folded off the horizontal in places. Sort of hard to lay layers of silt and sand with a flood so that they solidify at a 60 or 70 degree angle - and then immediately lay a nearly horizontal very different sand stone layer on top of it.

318 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:35:59am

re: #280 Dr. Matt

How did Noah prevent the velociraptors from eating the cows, pigs, and sheep…..and everything else for that matter?

And where the fuck did all that water drain off to?

Finally….for fuck sake…..how the hell did land animals, that only existed on other continents, make the trek to the ark?

Because, prior to the flood, they were all vegetarians. and no, I’m not making that up. that’s the answer I’ve been given.

RBS

319 iossarian  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:36:02am

re: #316 lawhawk

An incorrect and ignorant viewpoint is ignorant and wrong no matter who holds it. Claiming vaccinations lead to autism is both ignorant and incorrect.

People who make the claim need to be disabused of this fact.

This is true, but in the case of an otherwise happy marriage, there are ways of going about that process that lead to better long-term outcomes than others.

Divorce isn’t a cakewalk for the kids either - which is not to say that it can’t be the best decision in some situations.

320 Gus  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:36:19am

La da dee deh dah! So much melodrama on Twitter.*

* Hope this isn’t TOO offensive. //

321 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:37:17am

re: #312 ObserverArt

He’s a handsome doggie…and I bet Cody would approve.

Those are some hot looking shoes, too.

322 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:38:53am

re: #299 GunstarGreen

SJWs are why we can’t have nice things.

Today I learned that “transmisogynist” is now a word that very srs people use very srsly.

Comedy Central is does a decent job standing by it’s talent so Colbert probably isn’t in serious trouble. This will probably do away in a couple days.

323 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:39:06am

re: #320 Gus

La da dee deh dah! So much melodrama on Twitter.*

* Hope this isn’t TOO offensive. //

I’m outraged!

324 Timothy Watson  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:40:12am

re: #315 iossarian

How many in the medical field 50 years ago even knew what autism was? How many of them automatically considered someone who presented with the symptoms that are now considered to be autistic to be “mentally retarded”?

(Before I get bitched at, I’m using that term because that was the term used at the time, hence the quotes.)

325 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:40:22am

If you can’t beat them, join them
Colbert Outraged at ‘Stephen Colbert’ for Making Racist Joke Towards Asians

326 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:40:26am

re: #323 Killgore Trout

I’m troutraged!

FTFY.

Gus, you seem almost gleeful. Is that an indication that the lizards should be heading for the bunkers?

O_o

327 Gus  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:40:30am
328 Dr. Matt  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:41:53am

re: #322 Killgore Trout

Comedy Central is does a decent job standing by it’s talent so Colbert probably isn’t in serious trouble. This will probably do away in a couple days.

Someone at Comedy Central, and not anyone affiliated with the Colbert Show, manages that twitter account.

329 Gus  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:41:56am

re: #326 Feline Fearless Leader

FTFY.

Gus, you seem almost gleeful. Is that an indication that the lizards should be heading for the bunkers?

O_o

Gleeful? No. My hip was killing me right before falling asleep and isn’t hurting as much this morning. That might be it. Plus I’m getting the initial coffee rush.

330 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:42:26am

re: #317 Feline Fearless Leader

In addition to noticing how beds were folded off the horizontal in places. Sort of hard to lay layers of silt and sand with a flood so that they solidify at a 60 or 70 degree angle - and then immediately lay a nearly horizontal very different sand stone layer on top of it.

Like this. Maybe this shot is not so clear, but these are limestone karst layers near where I live in China. They are slanted from bottom left to top right. The stakes are for future tree seedlings.
Sediments

331 Petero1818  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:43:45am

re: #307 lawhawk

Only problem with that view - autism is not correlated with vaccinations. After nearly 20 years of trying to find a link, none can be found in rigorous studies.

It just isn’t there. Autism does not have a link to vaccinations, let alone the MMR vaccination. It was a theory propped up by a bogus study that was forced to be retracted due to malfeasance on the part of the author - Andrew Wakefield.

Since then, there have been countless studies and research on autism and there are now signs that autism develops in the womb, and that there are also environmental triggers. Vaccination isn’t one.

But these people are still holding to the vaccination causes autism trope, and they’re putting lives in danger.

Totally agree with all of that, but that has no impact on my comment whatsoever.

332 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:45:13am

re: #328 Dr. Matt

Someone at Comedy Central, and not anyone affiliated with the Colbert Show, manages that twitter account.

Stephen Colbert is a fictional TV character who reads a script created by a staff of writers.

333 iossarian  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:45:48am

re: #324 Timothy Watson

How many in the medical field 50 years ago even knew what autism was? How many of them automatically considered someone who presented with the symptoms that are now considered to be autistic to be “mentally retarded”?

(Before I get bitched at, I’m using that term because that was the term used at the time, hence the quotes.)

All I’m saying is that people I know who have worked with young kids in a medical/early childhood development setting over the past 30 years or so believe that there are more children today displaying symptoms of what we now call “autism” than there were at the start of that period.

334 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:46:00am

re: #330 wheat-dogghazi

Like this. Maybe this shot is not so clear, but these are limestone karst layers near where I live in China. They are slanted from bottom left to top right. The stakes are for future tree seedlings.
Sediments

Essentially. I’m still trying to get a good photo of an unconformity just west of Philly. Dolomite (metamorphized limestone) where the beds are now at a 40 degree angle - with a nearly horizontal red Triassic sandstone on top of it. Besides the difference in bedding the site is also interesting since there is a large age gap between the dolomite and the sandstone.

335 makeitstop  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:46:09am

re: #312 ObserverArt

He’s a handsome doggie…and I bet Cody would approve.

Thanks! We called him Scout because he’s just alert. I think he’ll be a fine watchdog and a good companion.

He also still has that new puppy smell. :) It’s been a long time since I’ve had a puppy, and this is our first since we’ve been married - Cody was an adult rescue.

The jury is still out among the cats. The oldest seems to be putting up with him, the middle cat wants nothing to do with him, and the youngest has gone into hiding (which is kind of odd, because she idolized Cody). We are officially in the adjustment period.

336 makeitstop  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:48:01am

re: #321 Justanotherhuman

Those are some hot looking shoes, too.

My wife loves her shoes! She’s been a vegetarian for a very long time, so all shoes in any of our pics are faux leather and suede.

She rocks them proudly. :)

337 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:48:23am

re: #333 iossarian

All I’m saying is that people I know who have worked with young kids in a medical/early childhood development setting over the past 30 years or so believe that there are more children today displaying symptoms of what we now call “autism” than there were at the start of that period.

That doesn’t matter, though. Unless you can actually show something with statistics, it’s just people going “I reckon there’s more of that there autism.”

There’s a host of explanations for why we might perceive or diagnose more autism without actual rates of autism having risen.

338 ObserverArt  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:48:54am

re: #282 wheat-dogghazi

What I don’t understand is why anti-vaxxers, most or all of whom were vaccinated as children, believe vaccinations to be so dangerous. They’re not autistic, aren’t suffering from those diseases or apparently other ailments (other than stupidity), so why do they think their kids will suffer if they get vaccines?

I think it has to do with a simple case of arrogance. In the case of upscale anti-vaxxers they see themselves as smart and successful and they don’t need anyone to tell them what to do, especially if they are hearing it from others just like them. Add one celebrity to the mix and suddenly the celebrity is smarter than all medical science and a bunch of successful people buy in. It’s almost like they have discovered something even the doctors don’t know and that makes them even more smart and special.

Remember, these are the same folks that fall victim to con men like Bernie Madoff.

And if you think about it, it really is the same for the fundamentalists. They know they are special because of their love of God and God is smarter than any old doctor so they too are in a special group that is more understanding of their thinking. Religion breads a form of arrogance too. Because I am a saved Christian I am better then others.

Both also protect themselves in little groups of shared thinking and that fits into the safety in numbers, us against them group think.

This is where good ol’ Darwinism wins no matter the belief. Large populations get taken out by stupidity. God (momma nature) intended for them all to be eliminated so that the intelligent (strong) survive.

339 Gus  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:49:26am

#CancelTwitter!

340 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:50:22am

re: #338 ObserverArt

I think it has to do with a simple case of arrogance. In the case of upscale anti-vaxxers they see themselves as smart and successful and they don’t need anyone to tell them what to do, especially if they are hearing it from others just like them. Add one celebrity to the mix and suddenly the celebrity is smarter than all medical science and a bunch of successful people buy in. It’s almost like they have discovered something even the doctors don’t know and that makes them even more smart and special.

FIND OUT WHY DOCTORS HATE THIS MOM!!!!!!

341 Gus  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:50:25am

More important shit. Haz hungry.

342 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:50:40am

re: #332 Killgore Trout

Stephen Colbert is a fictional TV character who reads a script created by a staff of writers.

Stephen Colbert is—and follow closely here, because this shit gets tricky—both a real person, and a TV character. ( He also does quite a bit of improv and riffing, so the reads a script part is also inaccurate, but who cares.)

343 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:52:20am

re: #316 lawhawk

An incorrect and ignorant viewpoint is ignorant and wrong no matter who holds it. Claiming vaccinations lead to autism is both ignorant and incorrect.

People who make the claim need to be disabused of this fact.

The problem is that efforts to do so are often misplaced. Dealing with a group of anti-vaxxers needs to be done in the same manner as dealing with a cult or other conspiracist organization. Efforts need to be aimed at those of the group who are less committed to the cause and do not have the sort of grievance found by the groups core members (who often do have an autistic child). Those ‘outer members are the ones that can be reached.

As with creationists, getting into arguments with the hard core of the anti-vaxxer group is of strictly limited use. You’re not going to bring committed conspiracists around with facts and logic as their minds are in flight from reality.

In some cases, local government agencies have been able to use the threat of being taken to court or other negative consequences to compel anti-vaxxer parents to do the right thing. The problem with that is that forcing someone to act reasonably actually makes then less likely to be reasonable in their thoughts, because they only did the reasonable thing under threat of force.

344 Dr. Matt  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:52:31am

re: #332 Killgore Trout

Stephen Colbert is a fictional TV character who reads a script created by a staff of writers.

Teatards live in a constant state of fiction and unable to distinguish between reality and fiction.

345 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:53:16am

Active shooter situation at a Toronto courthouse, with a report that one police officer injured.

346 iossarian  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:53:24am

re: #337 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

That doesn’t matter, though. Unless you can actually show something with statistics, it’s just people going “I reckon there’s more of that there autism.”

There’s a host of explanations for why we might perceive or diagnose more autism without actual rates of autism having risen.

That’s fair, and of course being an early childhood practitioner doesn’t make one immune from confirmation bias. However, it’s also the case that we don’t know that underlying real rates *haven’t* risen.

Due to the changes in diagnosis and public awareness, it’s likely that we’ll never know for sure, unless some blindingly obvious related cause/condition is discovered.

347 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:54:41am

re: #344 Dr. Matt

Teatards live in a constant state of fiction and unable to distinguish between reality and fiction.

This really isn’t helpful. The problem is that most Tea Party people hold down jobs, make rational choices about what to do on any given day. If they were unable to distinguish between reality and fiction they’d be jumping off of buildings thinking they could fly or casting lightning bolt at those darn kids who won’t get off the lawn.

The problem is not that we have some gigantic percentage of actual delusional lunatics in this country. It’s a lot more complicated than that and while it might feel good to just mock the intelligence of these people, what they mostly represent is a complete failure of our society to properly educate them.

348 Gus  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:54:46am

Test

349 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:56:23am

re: #343 Dark_Falcon

For me, it means eliminating the so-called religious objections to vaccinations. There is a strong compelling government interest (strict scrutiny legal rationale) to require vaccinations of everyone to maintain and protect the public health of all Americans. Allowing exemptions means allowing communicable diseases to gain a foothold and potentially infect those who cannot be vaccinated due to being too young, having compromised immune systems, or whose immunity has waned despite vaccination at some earlier time.

And yes, I’d want to see the courts address this all the way to the Supreme Court.

350 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:56:31am

re: #346 iossarian

That’s fair, and of course being an early childhood practitioner doesn’t make one immune from confirmation bias. However, it’s also the case that we don’t know that underlying real rates *haven’t* risen.

Right. But given that we don’t even have any idea of the measures of the mechanisms of action that lead to autistic kids, there’s no reason to think they either have or haven’t risen. We have a very, very tentative idea that age of the father contributes to the chances of having an autistic kid but even that is tentative and just leads to “Okay, so why?”

Shit is hard yo.

351 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 8:59:55am

re: #344 Dr. Matt

Teatards live in a constant state of fiction and unable to distinguish between reality and fiction.

Yes, but it isn’t the far right coming at Colbert this time, its the far left. The ‘SJWs’ acronym that Gunstar Green used stands for “Social Justice Warriors”:

SJW
Social Justice Warrior. A pejorative term for an individual who repeatedly and vehemently engages in arguments on social justice on the Internet, often in a shallow or not well-thought-out way, for the purpose of raising their own personal reputation. A social justice warrior, or SJW, does not necessarily strongly believe all that they say, or even care about the groups they are fighting on behalf of. They typically repeat points from whoever is the most popular blogger or commenter of the moment, hoping that they will “get SJ points” and become popular in return. They are very sure to adopt stances that are “correct” in their social circle.

The SJW’s favorite activity of all is to dogpile. Their favorite websites to frequent are Livejournal and Tumblr. They do not have relevant favorite real-world places, because SJWs are primarily civil rights activists only online.

Basically, SJWs are a left-wing form of Poser, with a large bit of Me-Too added in.

352 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:00:56am

Good night, everyone. ‘Tis midnight here in the Middle Kingdom.

353 iossarian  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:01:06am

re: #350 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Right. But given that we don’t even have any idea of the measures of the mechanisms of action that lead to autistic kids, there’s no reason to think they either have or haven’t risen.

I’m going to snip your comment because I think there’s an interesting philosophical point here. I agree with your sentence above, but I speculate that most (?) people, if they are shown that there really isn’t hard evidence either way to say whether something’s changed or not, will tend to assume that it hasn’t changed.

Maybe that’s rational - to assume that things didn’t change unless you can prove that they did. Or maybe it’s not.

Anyway, I think it’s fascinating that things sometimes do happen without clear causes and then need to be explained - a common problem in sociology obviously.

354 Dr. Matt  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:02:26am

re: #347 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

This really isn’t helpful. .

Wasn’t meant to be. It was merely a factual statement. Teatards are the party that actually believe our President is not an American, that he is a Muslim, that his BC is fake, that libruls are communists, that the 2A is meant to be used to overthrow the government, and they believe Fast and Furious, the IRS, and Benghazi are real scandals. Again: Teatards live in a constant state of fiction and unable to distinguish between reality and fiction.

355 iossarian  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:03:15am

Your essay question for admission to the Clever Club:

“Is the statement: ‘things changed and we can’t explain why’ more unsettling than the statement ‘nothing changed and we can’t explain why’? If so, why?”

Use 500 words or less. Or more.

356 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:03:33am

Was Andy Kaufman Andy Kaufman, or was he Andy Kaufman? Discuss.

Is Larry Bird qua Larry Bird the same Larry Bird who is “The Hick From French Lick”?

357 ObserverArt  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:03:41am

re: #349 lawhawk

For me, it means eliminating the so-called religious objections to vaccinations. There is a strong compelling government interest (strict scrutiny legal rationale) to require vaccinations of everyone to maintain and protect the public health of all Americans. Allowing exemptions means allowing communicable diseases to gain a foothold and potentially infect those who cannot be vaccinated due to being too young, having compromised immune systems, or whose immunity has waned despite vaccination at some earlier time.

And yes, I’d want to see the courts address this all the way to the Supreme Court.

I agree, but that would lead into their biggest fear…the government controlling their lives. The backlash would be historic.

358 Dr. Matt  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:04:09am

re: #351 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but it isn’t the far right coming at Colbert this time, its the far left. The ‘SJWs’ acronym that Gunstar Green used stands for “Social Justice Warriors”:

Basically, SJWs are a left-wing form of Poser, with a large bit of Me-Too added in.

Anchor Baby Malkin is far left? Derp

rawstory.com Conservative pundit Michelle Malkin helped spark the trend, posting a tweet “co-signing” the comment by @suey_park.

359 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:06:27am

re: #354 Dr. Matt

Wasn’t meant to be. It was merely a factual statement. …Again: Teatards live in a constant state of fiction and unable to distinguish between reality and fiction.

And again, it’s not true, and it’s dumb to say that they can’t. It’d also be dumb to say that my friend Ann, who is a world-class biologist, can’t tell the difference between reality and fiction because she believes in luck. What you can say about Te Party advocates—and using ‘retard’ as a slur is at least a little eye-rolling in this context—is that there are some areas where they believe fictional stuff. They believe more fictional stuff than the average bear. They are not unable to distinguish between reality and fiction. If you ask a Tea Party adherent “Did superman actually exist in real life?” they will say “No”, and demonstrate that they can distinguish between reality and fiction.

It may be comforting to paint them as completely delusional, but it’s a fiction, and preferring that fiction to reality is a double-dish sundae of irony with a d’oh cherry on top.

360 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:06:45am

re: #344 Dr. Matt

Teatards live in a constant state of fiction and unable to distinguish between reality and fiction.

There’s a lot of that going around. It’s difficult to maintain a constant state of outrage so addicts often have to resort to imaginary enemies. The puritan mentality of trying to control what people say, which stories they tell and what words they use is a sign of insecurity. “If someone thinks differently than me then I might be wrong about something”. It’s a sign of weakness and lack of confidence in one’s own ideas.

361 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:07:52am

re: #349 lawhawk

For me, it means eliminating the so-called religious objections to vaccinations. There is a strong compelling government interest (strict scrutiny legal rationale) to require vaccinations of everyone to maintain and protect the public health of all Americans. Allowing exemptions means allowing communicable diseases to gain a foothold and potentially infect those who cannot be vaccinated due to being too young, having compromised immune systems, or whose immunity has waned despite vaccination at some earlier time.

And yes, I’d want to see the courts address this all the way to the Supreme Court.

I’d not want that last. My own read is that the current SCOTUS would overrule the law you propose. I doubt it would be 5-4 either, as I can see Justices Breyer and Sotomayor voting to overturn on religious freedom grounds. The law’s only real defenders would be Justices Kagan and Ginsburg.

And even if the law was approved, its passage might well result in the situation seen in Pakistan, with those giving vaccinations in fundamentalist communities simply simply shot dead from ambush as “agent of Satan”. That happens and the government would have to use the sorts of “iron fist” solutions that no one in America likes.

362 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:08:32am

re: #360 Killgore Trout

The puritan mentality of trying to control what people say, which stories they tell and what words they use is a sign of insecurity.

This isn’t a puritan mentality, and people don’t seek to be in a constant state of outrage.

363 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:08:49am

Recipient of my first vote for President in 1976:

364 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:09:28am

re: #363 wrenchwench

“The other McCarthy”.

365 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:12:47am

re: #361 Dark_Falcon

I’d not want that last. My own read is that the current SCOTUS would overrule the law you propose. I doubt it would be 5-4 either, as I can see Justices Breyer and Sotomayor voting to overturn on religious freedom grounds. The law’s only real defenders would be Justices Kagan and Ginsburg.

And even if the law was approved, its passage might well result in the situation seen in Pakistan, with those giving vaccinations in fundamentalist communities simply simply shot dead from ambush as “agent of Satan”. That happens and the government would have to use the sorts of “iron fist” solutions that no one in America likes.

I think a LOT more would have to happen in this country besides passage of a law like that before fundies start shooting because of vaccinations. Like total social breakdown. Not gonna happen.

366 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:14:59am

re: #358 Dr. Matt

Anchor Baby Malkin is far left? Derp

Michelle Malkin is Filipina, and its not unreasonable for her to have been offended by Colbert’s Tweet. For clarity here’s the controversial Tweet:

I am willing to show #Asian community I care by introducing the Ching-Chong Ding-Dong Foundation for Sensitivity to Orientals or Whatever,

That said, Malkin is trying to parlay her legitimate reason to be offended into airtime and publicity, as well as damaging a favored person of the left. Malkin is basically working the “Hurr, Hurr! Teh Democratz is teh Reel Raaycists!!1” meme, and she’s hoping it gets her some additional airtime on Fox News and some extra web hits.

Edited.

367 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:15:08am

Another crazy tealady with 20,000 followers:

368 Gus  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:15:40am

I got Tweetdeck up and running last night. Finally. I’m going to do what I do in the meat world more often from now on. That is to say ignore a lot more people on Twitter and ignore a lot more bullshit trending topics and the daily witch hunts.

369 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:16:30am

re: #367 Pie-onist Overlord

Another crazy tealady with 20,000 followers:

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Hey, they don’t want to be “forced,” then the answer is simple enough: Cancel the employee insurance policy and pay them the difference in their paychecks so they can go buy individual policies. Problem solved.

370 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:16:42am

I should also give Alouette credit for putting to properly mocking words the right-wing meme I spoke of in #366. Credit where credit is due.

371 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:16:59am

re: #369 Targetpractice

Hey, they don’t want to be “forced,” then the answer is simple enough: Cancel the employee insurance policy and pay them the difference in their paychecks so they can go buy individual policies. Problem solved.

But then they lose the tax breaks.

372 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:17:13am

re: #360 Killgore Trout

There’s a lot of that going around. It’s difficult to maintain a constant state of outrage so addicts often have to resort to imaginary enemies. The puritan mentality of trying to control what people say, which stories they tell and what words they use is a sign of insecurity. “If someone thinks differently than me then I might be wrong about something”. It’s a sign of weakness and lack of confidence in one’s own ideas.

Funny, that sounds kind of like you when you post stuff like this.

373 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:17:44am

re: #367 Pie-onist Overlord

Like force them to have abortions and gay marriages and stuff like that.

//

374 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:18:02am

Putin says Crimea takeover shows Russian military prowess

Speaking to Ukrainian servicemen who chose to swap sides and swear allegiance to Russia, Putin hinted they would be well rewarded by pointing out that Russian servicemen earned some four times more than their Ukrainian counterparts.

Ukraine’s former navy chief, Rear Admiral Denys Berezovsky, has been handed the deputy command of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet after his defection.

“The change in state symbols on all ships and in all divisions that have sided with the Russian army has been completed,” Shoigu told Putin.

He said warships, war planes and other hardware seized from troops loyal to Kiev will be returned to Ukraine, which could help Russia avoid a potentially costly legal battle in international arbitration courts.

Interesting. He gets to keep the gear from Ukrainian troops who’ve switched sides but he’s going to return the rest.

375 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:18:28am
376 calochortus  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:18:51am

re: #367 Pie-onist Overlord

You wouldn’t force a Quaker or Mennonite to pay for the military…
Oh, wait. We do.

377 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:19:32am

re: #376 calochortus

You wouldn’t force a Quaker or Mennonite to pay for the military…
Oh, wait. We do.

FUCKING ANALOGIES, HOW DO THEY WORK?

378 ObserverArt  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:19:36am

DId this new report on Autism get mentioned yet? I may have missed seeing it, so pardon me if already discussed.

Brain Study Suggests Autism Starts Before Birth

A detailed study of brain samples of children with autism who died young shows remarkably clear changes in their brains, researchers reported on Wednesday.

The differences are seen both on the genetic level and in the physical structure of the brain, and strongly support what scientists have been saying for years — that autism starts with disrupted genes that somehow interfere with brain development.

- cut -

This sort of goes into what a good friend that worked in mental health and studies Autism since the late 70s and had an Autistic son. He long felt it all was either an environmental problem, something in the food, air, etc. that was distorting a gene, or a gene that is going rogue on its own.

He also wondered if it might just be a natural phenomena where nature is railing against all of the stimulation in the environment and is just reacting against it all. The first signs of Autism are the child being turned off and away from stimulus like noise, too many people, etc. Almost like they are ‘tuned out’ from it all.

He wondered if the brain of modern humans are reacting to all of our electronics. It seems strange, but if you look at the pattern of Autism increase, it also is parallel to micro-electronics, microwave communications, etc. He thought since the brain is an electronic function are all the electronics is nature causing the brain to shut down from all of the stimulus. Even though we can’t see or hear microwaves, radar, emf and all that, does the brain see/feel/react to it all?

He was damn sure vaccines had nothing to do with it.

379 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:20:34am

Also too:

CHRISTIANS AREN’T BEING “FORCED” TO DO ANYTHING EXCEPT STOP FORCING THEIR BELIEFS ON OTHER PEOPLE.

380 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:20:35am

re: #371 Pie-onist Overlord

But then they lose the tax breaks.

After you factor in the difference between what they’re spending on employee insurance and the penalties/taxes they’d face, they’d still come out on top financially. Hell, their stock would probably rise on the news that they’d “increased their profits.”

381 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:20:55am

re: #374 Killgore Trout

Putin says Crimea takeover shows Russian military prowess

Interesting. He gets to keep the gear from Ukrainian troops who’ve switched sides but he’s going to return the rest.

Putin doesn’t want to have to submit the case to international arbitration and then have to pay for the gear. It’s cheaper for him to just hand it back and buy new gear for Russia’s needs.

382 Gus  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:21:50am

Heaven forbid we take responsibility for what we read, watch or listen to.

383 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:21:57am

re: #366 Dark_Falcon

Michelle Malkin is Filipino Filipina, and its not unreasonable for her to have been offended by Colbert’s Tweet. For clarity here’s what Colbert wrote:

ftfy

384 Stephen T.  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:24:27am

re: #365 wrenchwench

I think a LOT more would have to happen in this country besides passage of a law like that before fundies start shooting because of vaccinations. Like total social breakdown. Not gonna happen.

You, apparently, don’t live near the same kind of fundies I live near. The only reason they haven’t started shooting yet is because of the shortage of rounds for their guns (which they blame Obama for).

385 bratwurst  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:26:28am

re: #366 Dark_Falcon

For clarity here’s what Colbert wrote:

For clarity, Colbert himself DID NOT WRITE IT.

386 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:28:38am

re: #358 Dr. Matt

As an update, Suey Park just received an extremely offensive tweet, which as the embedded reply to it says is most likely from a white racist homophobe:

Once again, we see the “black men as lust-crazed beasts” meme in action. It is horribly destructive on many levels, and I dearly wish it would finally die off.

387 Stephen T.  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:28:43am

re: #369 Targetpractice

Hey, they don’t want to be “forced,” then the answer is simple enough: Cancel the employee insurance policy and pay them the difference in their paychecks so they can go buy individual policies. Problem solved.

That would mean that their employees could then spend their own money on contraception or, worse, pornography. How is this company supposed to control the morality of their employees if they can’t prevent even that?

/s

388 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:29:05am

re: #383 wrenchwench

ftfy

Thanks.

389 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:32:53am

re: #385 bratwurst

For clarity, Colbert himself DID NOT WRITE IT.

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Thank you, post edited. And to incorporate WW’s change as well.

390 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:34:57am

Taking the bull by the horns…

California Senate leader says majority Democrats plan to suspend all 3 of their own members who are fighting criminal charges - @AP
end of alert

391 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:35:12am

Where are Teh Juice in this conspiracy scenario?

392 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:36:39am

re: #391 Pie-onist Overlord

Where are Teh Juice in this conspiracy scenario?

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Bit part, but you get two lines and a walk-on.

393 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:37:07am

re: #391 Pie-onist Overlord

Running the Rothschild banks. Geez. Do I have to explain everything to you?

//

394 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:38:29am

How much, though? Revisit Crimea in a year. Of course, its economy is basically tourism, and Russian bureaucrats aren’t going to give up their vacations on the Black Sea any time soon. Thus, this “financial aid package”, no doubt.

Russia approves initial financial aid package for Crimea to help the local economy - @Reuters
end of alert

395 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:48:22am

How is it now?

396 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:49:25am

re: #384 Stephen T.

You, apparently, don’t live near the same kind of fundies I live near. The only reason they haven’t started shooting yet is because of the shortage of rounds for their guns (which they blame Obama for).

That implies they have NO ammunition, which is unlikely because the shortage was caused by folks buying up everything available like it wasn’t going to be made any more, meanwhile more and more is being made and sold.

Plenty of weapons, ammo, and fundies here, but the shooting is by young men in trouble with the law, and target plinkers.

397 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:49:37am

re: #390 Justanotherhuman

Taking the bull by the horns…

California Senate leader says majority Democrats plan to suspend all 3 of their own members who are fighting criminal charges - @AP
end of alert

This story keeps getting more bizarre. The story so far includes bribery, drugs, arms smuggling, wire fraud, the Chinese mafia, murder for hire…Hollywood couldn’t have written a better story.

398 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:49:41am

DERP

399 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:50:12am

Just got an email from Paul Ryan. Says he wants to hear from me.

I don’t think he really does … .

400 Petero1818  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:50:44am

re: #309 Dark_Falcon

That >bolded portion is very relevant. I thank you for saying it, since I wanted to say something similar but couldn’t figure out how to do so without the risk of coming across as sexist.

It is not sexist to say that a mother often has a more immediate bond with her offspring than does the father. It is quite natural and while not always the case certainly often is. It is a product of a child growing inside of her for 9 months. It is also not sexist to say that early on, mother’s typically though certainly not always, have a larger role to play in the childcare in the first months or years of life. Mom’s breast feed and on average take more parental leave and all these things add up. But most importantly, whichever parent is more involved early on, will likely call more of the shots regarding health and welfare of the child. Mother or father. And that is certainly not sexist.

401 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:51:06am

Erick Erick proudly announces his affiliation with hate group

402 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:51:09am

email has this disclaimer:

Paid for by Prosperity Action, Inc.
Not Authorized by any candidate or candidate’s committee.

1006 Pendleton Street
Alexandria, VA 22314
prosperitypac.com

what bullshit

403 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:51:20am

re: #398 Pie-onist Overlord

Son of Liberty forgot to put a hashtag TGDN in there. That keeps away the NSA spookers. /

404 ObserverArt  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:51:36am

re: #399 FemNaziBitch

Just got an email from Paul Ryan. Says he wants to hear from me.

I don’t think he really does … .

What is the email address? Maybe he should hear from many of us.

/

405 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:52:37am

re: #386 Dark_Falcon

As an update, Suey Park just received an extremely offensive tweet, which as the embedded reply to it says is most likely from a white racist homophobe:

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Once again, we see the “black men as lust-crazed beasts” meme in action. It is horribly destructive on many levels, and I dearly wish it would finally die off.

I reported that tweet, then blocked him.

406 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:53:22am

Italy’s first ‘cat café’ opens in Turin

Cat lovers will be able to enjoy a cup of coffee among their feline friends when Italy’s first ‘cat café’ opens in the northern Italian city of Turin on Saturday.

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Cat lovers will be able to enjoy a cup of coffee among their feline friends when Italy’s first ‘cat café’ opens in the northern Italian city of Turin on Saturday.

MiaGola Café, or ‘Café Miaow’, is the latest in a concept that started in Japan and has spread to Europe.

Patrons to the café on Via Amendola will also be able to enjoy specialities from the Piedmont region and a “sense of wellbeing” as their furry friends weave in between chairs, La Stampa reported.

Experts say that hearing the purr of the cat and caressing its soft fur can relieve stress and anxiety.

For the woman behind the venture, Andrea Levine, an American living in Turin, it is also a way of providing a home for abandoned cats and “teaching respect for animals”, she told La Stampa.

It’s an interesting concept, though people who actually own cats should think twice before visiting a ‘cat cafe’: Cats can get irritated when their staff comes home smelling like another cat.

407 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:53:25am

re: #399 FemNaziBitch

Just got an email from Paul Ryan. Says he wants to hear from me.

I don’t think he really does … .

I get spam from AFP all the time. I read them just for Teh Lulz.

408 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:53:53am

re: #404 ObserverArt

What is the email address? Maybe he should hear from many of us.

/

This is the link included in the email

Which, BTW,

This email was sent by: Romney for President Inc., 138 Conant St., 1st Floor, Beverly, MA 01915.

This message reflects the opinions and representations of Prosperity Action Inc., and is not an endorsement by Mitt Romney. You are receiving this email because you signed up as a member of Mitt Romney’s online community on 11/6/2012

which I totally don’t remember doing, unless it was a generated from a nastygram I sent regarding Februrary 12, 2012.

409 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:54:36am

re: #407 Pie-onist Overlord

I get spam from AFP all the time. I read them just for Teh Lulz.

I did the unsubscribe thing.

410 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:55:14am

Back to work.

411 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:55:18am

re: #379 Pie-onist Overlord

Also too:

CHRISTIANS AREN’T BEING “FORCED” TO DO ANYTHING EXCEPT >STOP FORCING THEIR BELIEFS ON OTHER PEOPLE.

But, forcing their beliefs on other people is part of their belief system …

412 GunstarGreen  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:57:13am

re: #367 Pie-onist Overlord

Another crazy tealady with 20,000 followers:

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But I pay taxes so that churches don’t have to, and churches buy bibles, therefore I am forced to buy them bibles.

But I pay taxes that fund farm subsidies, food stamps, and other such things — and people benefiting from those use the extra money to buy hamburgers therefore I am forced to buy them hamburgers.

But I pay taxes that fund the military, therefore I am forced to pay to have brown people killed in my name.

Fucking analogies man, how do they work?

413 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:57:25am

So refreshing to see a Real Quote in a meme.

414 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:59:40am

re: #403 Bulworth

Son of Liberty forgot to put a hashtag TGDN in there. That keeps away the NSA spookers. /

i heard that if you used #NSAGDN then your stuff was invisible to the NSA filters.

RBS

415 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 9:59:57am

Attn:Gus
Electronic cig technology has come a very long way since I last tried them. Get one of the models you fill with liquid. For me it takes care of all the physical/Psychological needs of smoking at the fraction of the cost. I’ve had a couple packs of regular smokes sitting around for over a month and haven’t even been terribly temped to smoke them.

416 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:00:31am

p.s thanks for the kind words.

417 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:02:02am

re: #416 Killgore Trout

You still have the greenhouse and frogs?

418 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:02:28am

re: #413 Pie-onist Overlord

So refreshing to see a Real Quote in a meme.

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Thank you so much for sharing that… I never knew that Old Honest Abe was a hard core Marxist and hated America. ///x a bunch

RBS

419 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:04:41am

LOL

420 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:06:02am

re: #417 Varek Raith

You still have the greenhouse and frogs?

Yup the greenhouse is going well aside from a moth infestation that’s almost sorted out now. Frog breeding season started a few weeks ago so they make quite a bit of noise but the neighbors are all still really supportive. My house becomes a tourist attraction in the evening with all the people stopping to listen to the frogs.

421 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:06:11am

Babba?

422 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:07:19am

re: #415 Killgore Trout

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Attn:Gus
Electronic cig technology has come a very long way since I last tried them. Get one of the models you fill with liquid. For me it takes care of all the physical/Psychological needs of smoking at the fraction of the cost. I’ve had a couple packs of regular smokes sitting around for over a month and haven’t even been terribly temped to smoke them.

Haven’t seen Patio Frog, but it’s still kinda frozen in parts.

423 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:07:53am

re: #421 FemNaziBitch

Babba?

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It’s authentic, see the animated graphic at the link.

424 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:08:37am

re: #420 Killgore Trout

Yup the greenhouse is going well aside from a moth infestation that’s almost sorted out now. Frog breeding season started a few weeks ago so they make quite a bit of noise but the neighbors are all still really supportive. My house becomes a tourist attraction in the evening with all the people stopping to listen to the frogs.

Well, your frogs help keep the area free of slug infestations, so i’m not surprised the neighbors like them.

425 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:10:00am

re: #422 FemNaziBitch

Haven’t seen Patio Frog, but it’s still kinda frozen in parts.

When the hell is winter going to go away?

426 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:10:39am

I’d like to see that animated map with a different color for execution of white, black, Hispanic.

427 Kragar  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:10:47am
428 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:12:02am

re: #424 Dark_Falcon

Well, your frogs help keep the area free of slug infestations, so i’m not surprised the neighbors like them.

My backyard is almost slug free which is a miracle for Oregon. This time of year when all the frogs are concentrated the pond they take care of the slugs pretty quickly

429 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:13:44am

I think the frogs wiped out the slugs around my neighborhood. Haven’t seen one in years.

430 calochortus  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:20:17am

re: #424 Dark_Falcon

Well, your frogs help keep the area free of slug infestations, so i’m not surprised the neighbors like them.

If you have alligator lizards they are slug-eating machines too.

431 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:21:43am
432 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:21:47am

Today, I’m taking old man dog to the vet. He didn’t get on the bed last night and claim his preferred spot. He is having trouble moving today. This is an abrupt change and I am scared.

433 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:22:53am

re: #398 Pie-onist Overlord

DERP

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No buddy, I’m sure the government was already aware that you are as dumb as a box of hammers

434 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:23:52am

re: #425 Varek Raith

When the hell is winter going to go away?

When I was younger and lived in Michigan and Northern Indiana, we knew not to plant anything or take the plastic off the windows until May.

I think the last few years has been an exception and we’ve gotten spoiled.

What we are experiencing now is really the normal for the area.

435 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:24:33am

re: #429 Varek Raith

I think the frogs wiped out the slugs around my neighborhood. Haven’t seen one in years.

In my garden the frogs disperse and spread out in early summer. I’ll get a lot of aphids and bugs for a while in mid summer but I can always tell when the tadpoles leave the pond in late summer. All the aphids and small pests will disappear within a few days.

436 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:24:55am

This #colbert thingy is really sad.

I remember the same “sarcasm” arguments during the Bush Administration. I would have thought people had learned.

You can’t decide what offends people.

437 calochortus  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:25:45am

Incidentally, apparently pacific chorus frogs (the frogs formerly known as pacific tree frogs) can change color to match their background (although not instantly.) I got suspicious that we kept finding green frogs on plants, brown frogs on dirt, and most recently, a grey frog in the zinc plated downspout diverter.

438 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:25:48am

If one more pet gets sick, I may implode.

439 kirkspencer  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:26:06am

re: #432 FemNaziBitch

Today, I’m taking old man dog to the vet. He didn’t get on the bed last night and claim his preferred spot. He is having trouble moving today. This is an abrupt change and I am scared.

luck to you.

440 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:27:17am

re: #431 NJDhockeyfan

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Big deal, we’ve got military dolphins, too. In fact the iconic image of a military dolphin is of Kahili, as US Navy dolphin who helped find naval mines laid by Saddam Hussein’s regime in 2003.

441 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:27:25am

re: #439 kirkspencer

luck to you.

:’)

442 Gus  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:28:49am

re: #415 Killgore Trout

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Attn:Gus
Electronic cig technology has come a very long way since I last tried them. Get one of the models you fill with liquid. For me it takes care of all the physical/Psychological needs of smoking at the fraction of the cost. I’ve had a couple packs of regular smokes sitting around for over a month and haven’t even been terribly temped to smoke them.

You’re monitoring me! O.O //

443 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:29:32am

re: #438 FemNaziBitch

I know the feeling…hope all goes well

444 kirkspencer  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:30:13am

re: #438 FemNaziBitch

Addendum to last - I sorta know how you feel. Old lady dog is, well, OLD. And only sometimes interested in food and walks. Most mornings it takes her a while before she’s willing to deal with the pain from the old broken hip and the other aches and pains. The past few weeks she’s been extremely lethargic, but we discovered she had worms and are hoping solving that will give her more pep.

But the time fast approaches when it’ll be time for Kipling’s Apology; I hate it, but hate the pain more.

So again, good luck - may it be something you can resolve quickly, easily, and painlessly.

445 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:30:20am

re: #442 Gus

You’re monitoring me! O.O //

Drones.

446 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:30:56am

An interesting slide-show:

Battling gangs in Rio’s slums

447 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:31:54am

re: #442 Gus

You’re monitoring me! O.O //

Was that your Jimmy Carter impression?

448 Gus  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:32:28am

re: #447 Killgore Trout

Was that your Jimmy Carter impression?

My snail mail haz crumples. //

449 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:34:08am

re: #440 Dark_Falcon

Big deal, we’ve got military dolphins, too. In fact the iconic image of a military dolphin is of Kahili, as US Navy dolphin who helped find naval mines laid by Saddam Hussein’s regime in 2003.

Does the Mk II have a laser instead of a camera?

450 Kragar  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:35:03am
451 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:36:22am

re: #448 Gus

My snail mail haz crumples. //

Stock up on typewriter ribbon too! Seriously though, I love the new e-cigs. There’s a trendy boutique just a few blocks away from me where all the hipsters go for their vaping supplies. They let you sample the different flavors right in the store. It’s kind of a silly scene but I really like the product.

452 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:37:19am

bbl

453 Gus  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:37:28am

re: #451 Killgore Trout

Stock up on typewriter ribbon too! Seriously though, I love the new e-cigs. There’s a trendy boutique just a few blocks away from me where all the hipsters go for their vaping supplies. They let you sample the different flavors right in the store. It’s kind of a silly scene but I really like the product.

I’m using an e-cig now. Have been for months. Barely smoke anymore compared to the past. Down to less than 1/2 pack a day. Maybe 1/3rd.

454 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:39:50am

re: #453 Gus

re: #451 Killgore Trout

You both need to stop smoking all together.
*gets off soapbox*

455 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:40:59am

re: #449 Feline Fearless Leader

Does the Mk II have a laser instead of a camera?

No. We use Unmanned Underwater Vehicles (UUVs) to actually dispose of the mines. The pressure wave from a large naval mine would kill a dolphin, so the job is best left to the drones.

456 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:41:10am

re: #425 Varek Raith

When the hell is winter going to go away?

457 Gus  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:44:37am

re: #454 Varek Raith

You both need to stop smoking all together.
*gets off soapbox*

Soapboxes are dangerous. You can slip and fall and become maimed for life. Wear a helmet next time.

//

459 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:50:21am

re: #448 Gus

My snail mail haz crumples. //

I got a letter yesterday that was written on a typewriter. It looked so old-fashioned! Several type-overs and a couple of ink pen corrections.

460 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:52:02am
461 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:52:57am
462 Kragar  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:53:35am
463 Gus  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:54:00am

Fucking Greenwald.

464 Kragar  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:55:42am
465 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:56:18am

re: #464 Kragar

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Seriously…

466 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 10:59:49am

re: #454 Varek Raith

You both need to stop smoking all together.
*gets off soapbox*

Spock agrees…

467 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:01:10am

WMP shuffle feature sucks.

468 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:01:14am

re: #466 NJDhockeyfan

Spock agrees…

So quitting smoking helps you to live long and prosper.
:)

469 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:02:28am

re: #461 NJDhockeyfan

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Mi-24 ‘Hind’, looks like a 24PN model. Those feature a two-barrel 30mm autocannon, and are adapted for night operations.

470 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:02:46am

re: #468 Feline Fearless Leader

So quitting smoking helps you to live long and prosper.
:)

I just quit again, this should be the last time. My last cig was the day before my birthday :)

471 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:03:02am

Queen - Radio GaGa
Youtube Video

472 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:04:09am

I do not get this seething outrage over the Noah movie. Don’t go see it if you think it contradicts your precious beliefs.

It’s a freaking MOVIE, it’s ENTERTAINMENT.

I was totally not anywhere near interested in watching it, but some of the review say it KICKS ASS.

473 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:06:21am
474 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:08:27am

re: #473 NJDhockeyfan

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Bright colors usually means trouble.

475 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:09:33am

re: #473 NJDhockeyfan

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Oversimplified facts.

Atelopus is a large genus of true toads, commonly known as harlequin toads or stubfoot toads, from Central and South America, ranging as far north as Costa Rica and as far south as Bolivia. Atelopus species are small, generally brightly colored, and diurnal. Most species are associated with mid- to high-elevation streams. This genus has been greatly affected by amphibian declines, and many species are now considered endangered, while others already are extinct. While threatened by habitat loss, pollution and introduced species, the primary cause of these declines appears to be the chytrid fungus Batrachochytrium dendrobatidis.[1][2]

[…]

476 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:09:48am

re: #474 Varek Raith

Bright colors usually means trouble.

Sometimes bright colors are from accidents.

477 palmerskiss  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:10:51am

re: #476 NJDhockeyfan

Sometimes bright colors are from accidents.

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wow! an E.T. Froag!

478 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:11:19am

STUPID MEME OF THE DAY

479 palmerskiss  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:11:36am

re: #473 NJDhockeyfan

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that is the most beautiful frog i have ever seen!!!

480 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:12:10am

re: #477 palmerskiss

wow! an E.T. Froag!

E.T. Croak Home!

481 palmerskiss  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:12:58am

re: #478 Pie-onist Overlord

STUPID MEME OF THE DAY

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hmmmm somehow it was not the tyrants fearing the Arajs Kommando militia.

en.wikipedia.org

482 palmerskiss  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:13:36am

re: #480 NJDhockeyfan

E.T. Croak Home!

made my day :)

483 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:16:26am

Lol.
thedailybanter.com

484 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:16:29am

re: #481 palmerskiss

hmmmm somehow it was not the tyrants fearing the Arajs Kommando militia.

en.wikipedia.org

The wingnuts think they can defeat trained military professionals WITH THERE GUNZ!!!!!!!!

485 RadicalModerate  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:16:32am

re: #468 Feline Fearless Leader

So quitting smoking helps you to live long and prosper.
:)

Nimoy quit smoking around 30 years ago - during the 60s-70s he was a 2 pack-a-day guy. Unfortunately, the damage appears to have been done, since he has recently been diagnosed with COPD.

Leonard Nimoy reveals he has lung disease

Nimoy was recently photographed being pushed in a wheelchair at a New York hospital, attached to breathing apparatus.

Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) is an umbrella term for a number of illnesses including emphysema and chronic bronchitis, and affects millions of people around the world.

It damages air sacs and passages to the lungs, and can make breathing a struggle. The majority of cases are caused by cigarette smoke

.

486 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:18:31am
487 Gus  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:19:43am

re: #485 RadicalModerate

Nimoy quit smoking around 30 years ago - during the 60s-70s he was a 2 pack-a-day guy. Unfortunately, the damage appears to have been done, since he has recently been diagnosed with COPD.

Leonard Nimoy reveals he has lung disease

.

He’s also 83 years old.

488 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:20:56am

Fucking idiot who did this.

Feds probe laser pointed at plane above Queens

newsday.com

“Federal investigators are searching for the person they said shined a green laser light into the cockpit of a Delta Air Lines flight on approach to LaGuardia Airport on Tuesday.

“In a statement released Friday, the FBI said one of the two pilots in the cockpit of Delta Flight 1102 was injured, suffering so-called “flash blindness” that “severely” disrupted his vision.

(snip)

“Now, investigators are attempting to locate the source of the Delta incident this week — and are asking anyone with information to call the FBI at[no phone numbers allowed]. A $10,000 reward is available for any information that leads to the arrest of anyone involved in the incident. All calls will remain confidential, the FBI said.”

Man, I could use that $10K.

489 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:21:19am

MOAR FRACKING EVERYWHERE!!!!!

490 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:22:34am

re: #481 palmerskiss

hmmmm somehow it was not the tyrants fearing the Arajs Kommando militia.

en.wikipedia.org

Though as a counter it should be noted that Soviet partisans gave the SS a very bad time during World War Two. Granted that they could not face German troops in the open, but they could ambush, raid and assassinate.

491 palmerskiss  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:23:55am

re: #484 Pie-onist Overlord

The wingnuts think they can defeat trained military professionals WITH THERE GUNZ!!!!!!!!

‘I command thou to stop!!!’ ‘stop or i will shoot!’

492 b_sharp  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:24:02am

re: #489 Pie-onist Overlord

MOAR FRACKING EVERYWHERE!!!!!

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He’s just hoping that the innovators are all about lining his pockets now and after he leaves politics.

493 RadicalModerate  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:26:03am

re: #478 Pie-onist Overlord

STUPID MEME OF THE DAY

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An Oathkeepers hastag? I wonder if this person realizes that they are forming some rather close ties to white nationalist movements over the past few years?

ladylibertyslamp.wordpress.com

494 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:27:36am

re: #491 palmerskiss

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‘I command thou to stop!!!’ ‘stop or i will shoot!’

Don’t diss the man in that photo by comparing him to wingnuts. He faced real oppression and was almost certainly killed standing up for freedom. That’s worthy of respect, unlike angry posing,

495 b_sharp  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:30:05am

re: #494 Dark_Falcon

Don’t diss the man in that photo by comparing him to wingnuts. He faced real oppression and was almost certainly killed standing up for freedom. That’s worthy of respect, unlike angry posing,

I don’t think that was the intent D_F. I think the point was the uselessness of a poorly armed man standing up against the military machine.

496 Gus  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:30:23am

Heh. So’s “Captain Kirk.”

497 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:33:01am

re: #490 Dark_Falcon

Though as a counter it should be noted that Soviet partisans gave the SS a very bad time during World War Two. Granted that they could not face German troops in the open, but they could ambush, raid and assassinate.

They also had a source of resupply, high explosives & heavy weapons that the militia nutcases would lack. Not to mention an understanding of, tactically, what the partisan was and was not capable of. I have a copy of the 1942 partisan manual published by the Red Army in this edition: amazon.com

498 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:33:26am

re: #468 Feline Fearless Leader

So quitting smoking helps you to live long and prosper.
:)

It shouldn’t be, but it’s hard for me to get my head around the idea that all the original Star Trek cast are either dead or in their 80s. They always seemed to me like they should and would be permanent fixtures.

499 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:34:04am

re: #491 palmerskiss

[Embedded image]

‘I command thou to stop!!!’ ‘stop or i will shoot!’

He was brave and he was lucky.

Many others trying similar things simply ended up dead.

500 b_sharp  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:35:35am

re: #496 Gus

Heh. So’s “Captain Kirk.”

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My dad will turn 83 this year too.

501 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:36:29am

re: #500 b_sharp

My dad will turn 83 this year too.

Mine turns 84 next month.

502 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:36:48am

If I were President…

Wait, I think I see the problem…

503 b_sharp  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:41:29am

re: #501 wrenchwench

Mine turns 84 next month.

I’ve had several people in my family live into their 90s.
I sure hope I’m not one of them.

504 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:42:24am

re: #432 FemNaziBitch

Today, I’m taking old man dog to the vet. He didn’t get on the bed last night and claim his preferred spot. He is having trouble moving today. This is an abrupt change and I am scared.

Sending positive vibes your way.

505 palmerskiss  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:43:15am

re: #494 Dark_Falcon

Don’t diss the man in that photo by comparing him to wingnuts. He faced real oppression and was almost certainly killed standing up for freedom. That’s worthy of respect, unlike angry posing,

do you really think i was dissing him?

506 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:43:57am

re: #503 b_sharp

I’ve had several people in my family live into their 90s.
I sure hope I’m not one of them.

When my mom was in her 40’s, she said she didn’t want to live to her 80s. Then in her 60’s, she said she planned to live to 124. She’s 78 so far.

One of my grandmothers made it to 99, although she also said something a few decades earlier about not wanting to live that long.

507 palmerskiss  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:44:56am

re: #499 William Barnett-Lewis

He was brave and he was lucky.

Many others trying similar things simply ended up dead.

indeed. bravado has its uses.

508 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:46:40am

re: #505 palmerskiss

It did come across that way to me and I don’t even have DF’s legendary tendency to literalism.

509 GunstarGreen  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:48:41am

re: #498 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

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It shouldn’t be, but it’s hard for me to get my head around the idea that all the original Star Trek cast are either dead or in their 80s. They always seemed to me like they should and would be permanent fixtures.

Nothing is permanent. Everything ends. Live your life as if every day were your last, because it just might be.

510 palmerskiss  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:49:57am

re: #508 William Barnett-Lewis

It did come across that way to me and I don’t even have DF’s legendary tendency to literalism.

oh please - i was highlighting the irony of the “guns stop governments”

latent feelings from when hawk attacked me the other day - likely

i simply find any claim i dissed that man as completely lacking any credibility.

511 Petero1818  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:53:57am

re: #478 Pie-onist Overlord

STUPID MEME OF THE DAY

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I don’t know the Volkssturm seemed pretty bad to anyone other than the Tyrant.

512 b_sharp  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 11:56:49am

re: #506 wrenchwench

When my mom was in her 40’s, she said she didn’t want to live to her 80s. Then in her 60’s, she said she planned to live to 124. She’s 78 so far.

One of my grandmothers made it to 99, although she also said something a few decades earlier about not wanting to live that long.

I’m 58. I have no intention of living til I have to be placed in a home.

513 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 12:12:30pm

re: #505 palmerskiss

do you really think i was dissing him?

I thought it was likely, yes.

514 palmerskiss  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 12:16:48pm

re: #513 Dark_Falcon

I thought it was likely, yes.

nah - considering how you behaved the other day - it seems much more likely you just cannot remove yourself personally and had to criticize me once again.

there was nothing controversial in that.

however, lets hope you can be consistent …

considering ‘ugly’ was your own standard - this is turning out to be a rather ugly side of you. sad. however - you’re going to have to deal with it…

please be consistent - perception is everything and i hate to point out hypocrisy over immature comment drama.

515 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 12:19:10pm

re: #514 palmerskiss

To be honest, I didn’t really see it was you before I responded.

516 palmerskiss  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 12:20:54pm

re: #515 Dark_Falcon

To be honest, I didn’t really see it was you before I responded.

sure - because all adults think calling people “ugly” and looking to criticize any motive is an appropriate way to comport ones self.

look - you set the standard. if you want to play games of criticizing motives and subjective nonsense - be consistent - do not get caught being a hypocrite.

simple right?

and - it is fair.

517 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 1:05:38pm

re: #464 Kragar

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He’s on Facebook.
And there is no improvement.


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