Just the Good Parts: Glenn Greenwald’s Latest Rant, Featuring “Imperial Washington”

“Imperial Washington.” lolwut?
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Former National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor dared to criticize the Mighty Glenn Greenwald on Twitter a couple of days ago, and you know what that means — thousands of vitriolic words at The Intercept: US Takes a Break From Condemning Tyranny to Celebrate Obama’s Visit to Saudi Arabia.

Greenwald’s schtick is getting pretty threadbare by this time, so in our new tradition of only quoting the good parts in his rants, let’s pull out the insults, ad hominem attacks and ridiculous categorical pronouncements, shall we? (The beginning of his article is a defense of British weirdo George Galloway, by the way.)

Selecting the year’s single most brazen example of political self-delusion is never easy…

As is typical for Western discourse, criticizing western government militarism was immediately equated with support for whatever tyrants those governments happened to be opposing…

…the trite tactic of depicting opposition to western intervention as tantamount to support for dictators…

…easily one of the world’s most loyal, constant, and generous supporters of the most brutal Arab despots…

…as stunning a display of western self-delusion as I could have imagined…

…he still literally adorns the walls of his home with multiple large posters of President Obama…

Vietor’s function, which he performs quite faithfully, is simple: to express and embody the most conventional, defining views of official imperial Washington about itself…

…nothing more than the long-standing favored tactic of official Washington…

…cynically feigning concern for human rights as a means to undermine the governments that do not comply with US dictates…

…the Maduro government isn’t bad because it “illegally jails opposition leaders”; it’s bad because it opposes US policy, refuses to obey US dictates, and defeats neo-liberal, US-subservient candidates in popular elections…

That’s all obvious…

…what never ceases to amaze me is the ability of the Tommy Vietors - like David Cameron before him - to convince first themselves, and then others, that they are able to issue these denunciations without instantly being driven from the public square in shame…

…the unparalleled political, financial, diplomatic and military support with which the US lavishes Israel…

…If you want to justify all of this by cynically arguing…

…don’t run around acting as though the US is some sort of stalwart opponent of political repression and human rights violations when the exact opposite is so plainly true…

…don’t hold yourself out as the leader of the mob condemning others for expressing support for far more benign governments…

Yes, he really did write “official imperial Washington.”

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331 comments
1 Testy Toad T  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 1:33:45pm

Political repression. That’s a new one.

Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I’m being repressed!

2 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 1:37:04pm

Wow, the resentment and jealousy in that whinging is almost unbearable.

GG, get some therapy. You’re a danger to yourself and others.

3 Kragar  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 1:37:23pm

He doesn’t really think people take him seriously does he?

4 Mattand  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 1:37:41pm

From the article:

Selecting the year’s single most brazen example of political self-delusion is never easy…

Try looking in a frigging mirror.

5 darthstar  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 1:41:06pm

First comment has this question posed to GG:

By the way, how does exposing “western hypocrisy” help one single person in Syria? It seems more like an exercise in self-gratification - always fighting the imperialist west and bravely shrugging off criticism while people are being murdered in a conflict in which the west has essentially played no part.

Don’t worry…he won’t answer.

6 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 1:43:25pm

re: #5 darthstar

There’s also someone trying to point out that George Galloway really is a despicable dictator-supporter, which is pretty damned obvious to anyone with more than two brain cells.

7 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 1:43:58pm

Well, old man dog has no obvious issues other than he is old. Blood Drawn and Urine extracted —will hear more tomorrow.

sigh

8 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 1:44:15pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

There’s also someone trying to point out that George Galloway really is a despicable dictator-supporter, which is pretty damned obvious to anyone with more than two brain cells.

I thought he was just insane.

9 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 1:44:34pm

re: #1 Testy Toad T

Political repression. That’s a new one.

Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I’m being repressed!

When will we have those damn FEMA camps up and running anyway? Thirty years and not a single inmate processed. There needs to be an investigation.

10 b_sharp  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 1:44:35pm

re: #3 Kragar

He doesn’t really think people take him seriously does he?

As seriously as he takes himself.
It’s part of the delusion.

11 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 1:47:04pm

Isn’t this the same argument Thomas Jefferson had. Federalism vs. Anti-Federalism.

Anyone that supports a central government is obviously going against the Constitution and the Founder’s Intentions —Imperialist, Marxist, Socialist, Communist, Fascist —pick your ‘ist … .

audit the fed, get the Rothchild’s out of our country, the Department of Education is about indoctrination not education … .

12 b_sharp  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 1:49:41pm

When Charles said ‘just the good parts’ I really expected the page to be blank.

13 Aqua Obama  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 1:50:26pm

You don’t look into Putin’s soul. He looks into you. And invades it.

14 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 1:52:26pm

The whole russia/crimea thing has even invaded World of Tanks (it’s a russian game after all). Funny as hell to see the Russian clans get on and imediately launch into a defense of their dear leader, completely unprompted.

15 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 1:53:07pm
16 AntonSirius  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 1:53:35pm
the Maduro government isn’t bad because it “illegally jails opposition leaders”; it’s bad because it opposes US policy, refuses to obey US dictates, and defeats neo-liberal, US-subservient candidates in popular elections

It’s nitpicking, but I can’t resist - Maduro has won exactly one election so far, and he barely squeaked by compared to Chavez’s usual landslides.

17 kirkspencer  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 1:54:10pm

re: #7 FemNaziBitch

Well, old man dog has no obvious issues other than he is old. Blood Drawn and Urine extracted —will hear more tomorrow.

sigh

Two Kiplings in one day. Sorry, but it seemed appropriate.

“The Power of the Dog”

There is sorrow enough in the natural way
From men and women to fill our day;
And when we are certain of sorrow in store,
Why do we always arrange for more?
Brothers and Sisters, I bid you beware
Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.

Buy a pup and your money will buy
Love unflinching that cannot lie —
Perfect passion and worship fed
By a kick in the ribs or a pat on the head.
Nevertheless it is hardly fair
To risk your heart for a dog to tear.

When the fourteen years which Nature permits
Are closing in asthma, or tumour, or fits,
And the vet’s unspoken prescription runs
To lethal chambers or loaded guns,
Then you will find — it’s your own affair —
But … you’ve given your heart to a dog to tear.

When the body that lived at your single will,
With its whimper of welcome, is stilled (how still!)
When the spirit hat answered your every mood
Is gone — wherever it goes — for good,
You will discover how much you care,
And will give your heart to a dog to tear.

We’ve sorrow enough in the natural way,
When it comes to burying Christian clay.
Our loves are not given, but only lent,
At compound interest of cent per cent.
Though it is not always the case, I believe,
That the longer we’ve kept’em, the more do we grieve;

For, when debts are payable, right or wrong,
A short-time loan is as bad as a long —
So why in — Heaven (before we are there)
Should we give our hearts to a dog to tear?

18 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 1:55:11pm
Selecting the year’s single most brazen example of political self-delusion is never easy…

Actually, no. This is getting very easy. On any particular day, the most recent screed by GG is a good starting point, and the search for a more brazen case than GG’s latest can be restricted to the handful of entries that can compete at that level.

19 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 1:56:58pm

OK, so I went over to “The Intercept” and found that spiel under “Dispatches”, whatever the hell that means.

It isn’t journalism, though. It’s pure opinion, something any of us can write.

20 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 1:57:14pm

re: #16 AntonSirius

It’s nitpicking, but I can’t resist - Maduro has won exactly one election so far, and he barely squeaked by compared to Chavez’s usual landslides.

He hails Venezuela as a great example of democracy, but the US is “imperial.”

I seriously don’t understand how anyone can claim Greenwald really doesn’t hate America. Everything he writes about the US is just dripping with scorn.

21 Kragar  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 1:58:10pm

So, just a question.

Wouldn’t an imperial state like Glenn accuses the US of being be the same kind of state that would eliminate any potential security leak or annoying journalist without hesitation?

We can have a discussion panel between Glenn, Alexander Litvinenko, and maybe Yury Shchekochikhin or Vladislav Zakharchuk.

22 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 1:59:39pm

re: #16 AntonSirius

It’s nitpicking, but I can’t resist - Maduro has won exactly one election so far, and he barely squeaked by compared to Chavez’s usual landslides.

Maduro is currently jailing elected members of the opposition.

23 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 1:59:51pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

He hails Venezuela as a great example of democracy, but the US is “imperial.”

I seriously don’t understand how anyone can claim Greenwald really doesn’t hate America. Everything he writes about the US is just dripping with scorn.

Back in the W Bush years, GG supported the uncontroversial idea that the US is entitled to act in its own interest in foreign affairs just like any other nation. Not any more, apparently.

24 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:02:20pm

re: #23 EPR-radar

Back in the W Bush years, GG supported the uncontroversial idea that the US is entitled to act in its own interest in foreign affairs just like any other nation. Not any more, apparently.

Yes, but its different when the emperor is black.
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Because “SHUT UP!!”, is why!

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25 jaunte  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:05:16pm
the Maduro government isn’t bad because it “illegally jails opposition leaders”; it’s bad because it opposes US policy, refuses to obey US dictates, and defeats neo-liberal, US-subservient candidates in popular elections

He’s forgetting the spectacular incompetence.

26 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:06:26pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

He hails Venezuela as a great example of democracy, but the US is “imperial.”

I seriously don’t understand how anyone can claim Greenwald really doesn’t hate America. Everything he writes about the US is just dripping with scorn.

Looks like he hates everything ‘Western’ now.

Brazil doesn’t count as ‘western’?

27 Testy Toad T  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:07:24pm

If you ask me, the Maduro government is bad because you can’t buy any fucking toilet paper in the whole damned country.

Glenn’s mileage may vary, I guess.

28 bratwurst  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:09:28pm
29 Minor_L  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:14:05pm
…the trite tactic of depicting opposition to western intervention as tantamount to support for dictators…

He believes, and says, that criticism of Snowden or him is tantamount to worshiping Obama. Or, as he would say, “drooling worship of Obama, imperialism and the national security state” or whatever. Why is that fallacy okay?

There should be a rule that he can’t write one of these rants until he stops doing the same things of which he accuses others. That’d shut him up.

30 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:18:11pm

re: #27 Testy Toad T

If you ask me, the Maduro government is bad because you can’t buy any fucking toilet paper in the whole damned country.

Glenn’s mileage may vary, I guess.

That’s because of the games Maduro has been playing with foreign exchange, only letting certain favored people acquire dollars or euros, and at artificially low rates, too. That’s why Air Canada ended its service to Caracas, because the Venezuelan would not allow it to convert the money it made in Venezuela into Canadian Dollars in order to pay for things like spare parts and training manuals. Air Canada strongly felt it was in the process of being screwed by Venezuela as it had been by Cuba (which also refused to allow foreign airlines’ money to leave the country and eventually simply seized those monies), so it has simply ended service to Caracas until Maduro stops trying to screw with the money supply.

The good news is that the latest set of foreign currency exchange rules from the Maduro government are actually economically sane. The bad news is that it will be several weeks yet before anyone is prepared to trust those rules.

31 Snarknado!  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:19:01pm

re: #7 FemNaziBitch

Well, old man dog has no obvious issues other than he is old. Blood Drawn and Urine extracted —will hear more tomorrow.

sigh

Senior Citizen Feline Overlord is also apparently healthy, although more ample than is recommended. Exam, blood work, rabies shot — the only blow was to my pocketbook.

32 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:21:04pm

re: #30 Dark_Falcon

That’s because of the games Maduro has been playing with foreign exchange, only letting certain favored people acquire dollars or euros, and at artificially low rates, too.

This is not actually accurate, it’s a lot more complicated than that. Entire classes of people could use the old exchange.

33 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:24:20pm

SICAD II sucks too by the way, the black market rate rebounded after a few days.

34 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:26:12pm

Dear God I’m being absolutely deluged with the “please donate” spam email. Must be the end of the month/quarter.

35 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:28:34pm
36 calochortus  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:29:01pm

re: #34 Bulworth

Dear God I’m being absolutely deluged with the “please donate” spam email. Must be the end of the month/quarter.

That’s funny, I’m getting dozens of spam offers to send me money. Maybe we could connect the two groups and cut out the middle man.

37 b_sharp  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:30:18pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

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Yah, that’s it. Blame Gus.

38 darthstar  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:32:08pm
39 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:34:23pm

Do you know what frosts me? A MSM editor like Bill Keller (who ought to know better) fawning like this over Greenwald, in a piece entitled, “Is Glenn Greenwald the Future of News”?

“Glenn Greenwald broke what is probably the year’s biggest news story, Edward Snowden’s revelations of the vast surveillance apparatus constructed by the National Security Agency. He has also been an outspoken critic of the kind of journalism practiced at places like The New York Times, and an advocate of a more activist, more partisan kind of journalism. Earlier this month he announced he was joining a new journalistic venture, backed by eBay billionaire Pierre Omidyar, who has promised to invest $250 million and to “throw out all the old rules.” I invited Greenwald to join me in an online exchange about what, exactly, that means.”

nytimes.com

Well, first of all, he didn’t “break” “the year’s biggest news story”, as he already knew about it, was part of it, and was privy to it exclusively because of what it was. I will never be convinced otherwise that Greenwald wasn’t part of the scheme to steal those docs from the NSA. Rather, I’m convinced that anything Greenwald does is for his own opportunistic reasons: money, fame, etc because he can’t help being a cheap relativist whose real ideology is nothing but condemnation for his own country springing from his own selfish motives.

40 dog philosopher  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:36:26pm

pseudo random thought for the day

“toilet” is actually the same word as “towelette”

41 darthstar  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:38:27pm

Hey GOP…Putin blinked, motherfuckers. So just shut the fuck up and let the adults handle things.

42 palmerskiss  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:38:49pm

re: #40 dog philosopher

pseudo random thought for the day

“toilet” is actually the same word as “towelette”

mammy wipes - patient cleansing toilets.
Image: mammowipe2.jpg

for professional moms everywhere

43 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:39:04pm

Will Wisconsin please come to its senses now?

Wisconsin lawmaker charged with sexual assault
Former Majority Leader Bill Kramer named in 2011 assault outside Muskego bar

Read more: wisn.com

44 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:40:17pm

Breaking News: cnn.com still headlining with Breaking News: De Plane, De Plane, De Plane.

45 jaunte  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:40:50pm
46 darthstar  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:41:13pm

This has to be shopped.

Youtube Video

47 jaunte  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:42:48pm
48 makeitstop  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:44:07pm

re: #46 darthstar

This has to be shopped.

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Yeah, no way would a guy moving at that speed and landing in an inflatable pool at that angle not go right through the side on impact. That pool barely moved.

49 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:44:22pm

re: #46 darthstar

It is.

50 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:44:44pm

re: #46 darthstar

It could be calculated out for arc and trajectory. So it is possible. I have to admit I was waiting for it to be an epic fail and wind up on World’s Dumbest.

51 De Kolta Chair  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:47:45pm

re: #19 Justanotherhuman

OK, so I went over to “The Intercept” and found that spiel under “Dispatches”, whatever the hell that means.

I suspect he stole “Dispatches” from Michael Herr’s excellent book of the same name.

52 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:47:58pm

re: #47 jaunte

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It’s quite likely that bullshit is strictly for domestic consumption. that having been said, there’s a long distance between a phone call and Putin actually backing off taking more bites out of Ukraine.

53 darthstar  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:50:05pm
54 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:51:12pm

Obama to meet woman activist on Saudi visit

He will meet Dr Maha Al Muneef, who was among 10 women honoured by the US State Department for bravery, a senior US official said yesterday on the first day of Obama’s visit to the kingdom, requesting anonymity.

Muneef, a recipient of this year’s women of courage awards, works to halt domestic violence and child abuse in the ultra-conservative Muslim kingdom.
….
She is executive director of the National Family Safety Programme (NFSP), which she founded in 2005.

“Dr Al Muneef and the NFSP played an instrumental role in drafting and advising on the ‘Protection from Abuse’ law, which defines and criminalises domestic violence for the first time in Saudi Arabia,” the State Department said.

55 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:51:17pm

re: #51 De Kolta Chair

I suspect he stole “Dispatches” from Michael Herr’s excellent book of the same name.

And “The Intercept” from Dick Wolf.

amazon.com

56 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:52:48pm

re: #47 jaunte

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I was just looking at the various accounts of the call. It takes some reading between the lines but I think Putin is looking to finalize whatever plans he has for Ukraine.

57 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:52:49pm

Haven’t actually read the article, but this gets my nomination for this week’s most incomprehensible headline:

Obama tells Saudi Arabia will not make a bad Iran deal: U.S.

58 darthstar  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:53:08pm
59 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:55:53pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

I was just looking at the various accounts of the call. It takes some reading between the lines but I think Putin is looking to finalize whatever plans he has for Ukraine.

What makes you say that? Please give examples to support your conclusions.

60 thedopefishlives  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:56:15pm

Evening Lizardim. What’s shakin’?

61 thedopefishlives  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 2:59:17pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

What makes you say that? Please give examples to support your conclusions.

Because doom and gloom, which has been Killgore’s schtick since this whole thing started.

62 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:00:55pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

What makes you say that? Please give examples to support your conclusions.

Ukraine crisis: Russian President Vladimir Putin phones US President Barack Obama to discuss ‘a diplomatic path’

While Moscow has said the soldiers are merely involved in military manoeuvres, fears are growing in Washington that preparations may be under way for fresh incursions into parts of eastern Ukraine in the wake of the annexation earlier this month of Crimea. US officials believe that the positions of the troops are being deliberately concealed and that supply lines for a possible invasion have already been established.

The concern comes as Russian President Vladimir Putin called US President Barack Obama on Friday to discuss a US diplomatic proposal for Ukraine, to which Mr OBama suggested that Russia put a “concrete response in writing,” a White House spokesperson said in a statement.

Possible translation
Putin: We’re going to take what we want and have the troops to do it.
Obama: Ok, put it down on paper and I’ll see what I can do.
Putin: kthxbye

63 De Kolta Chair  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:00:59pm

re: #55 Justanotherhuman

Alas for Glenn, probity doesn’t work that way, but fortunately for Glenn plagiarism does.

64 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:02:02pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

I was just looking at the various accounts of the call. It takes some reading between the lines but I think Putin is looking to finalize whatever plans he has for Ukraine.

Stunning analysis, such insight.

65 jaunte  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:02:46pm

re: #62 Killgore Trout

I’m not sure why Putin would make the call at all if he had a definite plan set.

66 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:03:10pm

re: #62 Killgore Trout

So basically, he might, or he might not.

You should make a macro.

67 Aqua Obama  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:03:21pm

Did you know Steven Seagal is a lobbyist for Russian military suppliers?

also this

Steven Seagal is one of the most influential men of the American shooting association renowned in the USA.

68 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:04:14pm

re: #61 thedopefishlives

Because doom and gloom, which has been Killgore’s schtick since this whole thing started.

What’s the difficulty with taking Obama’s foreign policy speech from earlier this week at face value?

Emphasizing that an attack on a NATO member (i.e., any of the Baltic states) will mean war combined with whatever level of multilateral US + Europe pressure is realistic to address the Ukraine/Crimea is what I heard in that speech, and seems about right to me.

69 De Kolta Chair  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:07:39pm

re: #67 Aqua Obama

What need does Seagal have for guns? He’s already got them karate chop moves and a wig hat that can easily defeat a terror cell from 6,000 miles away.

70 ObserverArt  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:07:42pm

re: #4 Mattand

From the article:

Try looking in a frigging mirror.

They keep breaking, so he had to give that up.

The Wicked Journalist Covering the West.

71 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:08:35pm

re: #70 ObserverArt

They keep breaking, so he had to give that up.

The Wicked Journalist Covering the West.

Complete with squadrons of flying monkies.

72 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:09:40pm

re: #44 Bulworth

Breaking News: cnn.com still headlining with Breaking News: De Plane, De Plane, De Plane.

73 thedopefishlives  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:10:04pm

re: #68 EPR-radar

What’s the difficulty with taking Obama’s foreign policy speech from earlier this week at face value?

Emphasizing that an attack on a NATO member (i.e., any of Baltic states) will mean war combined with whatever level of multilateral US + Europe pressure is realistic to address the Ukraine/Crimea is what I heard in that speech, and seems about right to me.

Some people, unlike Fox Mulder, just DON’T want to believe.

74 jaunte  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:10:32pm
75 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:11:30pm

re: #72 NJDhockeyfan

CNN is setting a new record for inane commentary here.

In what version of reality would one expect an airplane to be able to maintain altitude with empty fuel tanks????

76 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:12:31pm

re: #65 jaunte

I’m not sure why Putin would make the call at all if he had a definite plan set.

Because him letting us know what his plans are helps to avoid misunderstandings which can spiral out of control. He might give reassurances that he’s only going to take one or two more provinces we won’t misinterpret his troop movements as a move towards Kiev or Poland.

77 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:12:35pm
78 freetoken  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:13:20pm

re: #75 EPR-radar

In what version of reality would one expect an airplane to be able to maintain altitude with empty fuel tanks????

On a planet with an average surface wind of 281mph?

79 calochortus  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:13:21pm

re: #75 EPR-radar

CNN is setting a new record for inane commentary here.

In what version of reality would one expect an airplane to be able to maintain altitude with empty fuel tanks????

Well, it is lighter when the tanks are empty…

80 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:13:40pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

He might give reassurances that he’s only going to take one or two more provinces we won’t misinterpret his troop movements as a move towards Kiev or Poland.

Or he might not, you’re saying?

I need to write this shit down, this is gold.

81 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:14:39pm

re: #62 Killgore Trout

The article does not seem to support that conclusion. If Putin was making threats of that nature, I would not expect president Obama to simply say “put it in writing”. If it came out that had transpired, Obama would be ridiculed and he knows that. I can’t see him being foolish in that way.

Sorry, but no sale.

82 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:14:44pm

re: #75 EPR-radar

CNN is setting a new record for inane commentary here.

In what version of reality would one expect an airplane to be able to maintain altitude with empty fuel tanks????

If this is true, (and I really hope it isn’t), they should be able to stay up longer, since they are much lighter now////x infinity.

Really, if that was the scroll on CNN somebody needs to be fired.

RBS

83 jaunte  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:16:01pm

What the Russian press is telling Russian readers.

84 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:16:07pm
85 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:16:17pm

re: #62 Killgore Trout

Ukraine crisis: Russian President Vladimir Putin phones US President Barack Obama to discuss ‘a diplomatic path’

Possible translation
Putin: We’re going to take what we want and have the troops to do it.
Obama: Ok, put it down on paper and I’ll see what I can do.
Putin: kthxbye

Your peerless ability to read a text and then synthesize the most inane non-thoughts imaginable is awe inspiring.

86 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:16:23pm

re: #79 calochortus

Well, it is lighter when the tanks are empty…

ARGH!!! ya beat me to it. You scurvy dog you.

RBS

87 De Kolta Chair  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:17:07pm

re: #72 NJDhockeyfan

Seems to me that playing the Desert Bus segment of Penn & Teller’s Smoke & Mirrors pc game, wherein the player attempts to drive the eponymous magicians’ tour bus from Tucson to Vegas within eight hours (in real time), would be a lot cheaper and far more realistic.

88 thedopefishlives  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:17:20pm

DOOM ON YOU. DOOM ON YOU.

Tae kwon dodos, ATTACK!

89 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:18:02pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

Because him letting us know what his plans are helps to avoid misunderstandings which can spiral out of control. He might give reassurances that he’s only going to take one or two more provinces we won’t misinterpret his troop movements as a move towards Kiev or Poland.

Pardon my French, but “Baloney!”. Again, in what alternate reality would Obama react to Putin telling him that by saying “Put it in writing.”?

90 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:18:21pm

re: #78 freetoken

On a planet with an average surface wind of 281mph?

Nope. A plane without fuel would not be able to maintain a relative airspeed for very long and would end up falling like a stone (after being carried some distance by the breeze, to be complete).

91 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:18:38pm

re: #62 Killgore Trout

Ukraine crisis: Russian President Vladimir Putin phones US President Barack Obama to discuss ‘a diplomatic path’

Possible translation
Putin: We’re going to take what we want and have the troops to do it.
Obama: Ok, put it down on paper and I’ll see what I can do.
Putin: kthxbye

Oooooh, divintaion!

If I give you my tea cup can you read that for me too? I heard some people do coffee cups too.

92 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:18:48pm

re: #89 Dark_Falcon

Pardon my French, but “Baloney!”. Again, in what alternate reality would Obama react to Putin telling him >that by saying “Put it in writing.”?

It’s just Killgore, it’s not supposed to actually carry meaning. Any actual content or appearance of prediction or an actual call to action in his posts is purely coincidental.

93 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:19:19pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

He might give reassurances that he’s only going to take one or two more provinces we won’t misinterpret his troop movements as a move towards Kiev or Poland.

He might rub his testicles on some furniture and then order take out Thai food.

94 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:21:29pm

re: #88 thedopefishlives

DOOM ON YOU. DOOM ON YOU.

Tae kwon dodos, ATTACK!

Seen Ice Age once too often, eh?

95 thedopefishlives  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:22:59pm

re: #94 Dark_Falcon

Seen Ice Age once too often, eh?

I have a 3-year-old boy. I’ve seen everything once too often.

96 calochortus  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:23:25pm

re: #86 RealityBasedSteve

ARGH!!! ya beat me to it. You scurvy dog you.

RBS

Bwahahahahaha…

97 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:23:39pm

re: #93 goddamnedfrank

He might rub his testicles on some furniture and then order take out Thai food.

He might look in the mirror, his eyes slowly widening, as he realizes what he’s done. All this time, all those years, everything he did was only for her. Why had she left? He hadn’t been like this back then. He’d been what she wanted. He knew that. Why had she left?

Everything had made sense. And then one day it had stopped making sense, when she’d boarded the plane to the Ukraine.

He might look in the mirror.

98 ObserverArt  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:24:23pm

re: #70 ObserverArt

They keep breaking, so he had to give that up.

The Wicked Journalist Covering the West.

99 BongCrodny  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:24:37pm

re: #72 NJDhockeyfan

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That caption would make my old journalism professors weep.

“BOEING 777 WILL STRUGGLE TO MAINTAIN ALTITUDE ONCE THE FUEL TANKS ARE EMPTY.”

Never in a million billion years would I have been able to figure that one out.

100 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:24:49pm

To repeat something very wise Killgore said a few days ago, Putin might move to take the rest of the Ukraine, or he might not.

Makes you think, doesn’t it?

101 thedopefishlives  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:25:08pm

re: #100 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

To repeat something very wise Killgore said a few days ago, Putin might move to take the rest of the Ukraine, or he might not.

Makes you think, doesn’t it?

Whoa. That’s, like, deep, man.

102 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:25:32pm

re: #99 BongCrodny

Coming soon to CNN: “Breaking news, 2+2 is still 4.”

103 ObserverArt  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:26:59pm

re: #71 EPR-radar

Complete with squadrons of flying monkies.

Would that be the proverbial Monkeys Flying out of His Butt screaming Glenn is Nothing but Truth?

104 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:27:18pm

re: #89 Dark_Falcon

Pardon my French, but “Baloney!”. Again, in what alternate reality would Obama react to Putin telling him >that by saying “Put it in writing.”?

From the White House…

“President Obama suggested that Russia put a concrete response in writing, and the presidents agreed that Kerry and Lavrov would meet to discuss next steps,” the statement said.

They are looking to finalize a diplomatic agreement. That agreement will almost surely include Russia’s annexation of Crimea. I don’t think anybody expects Putin to give Crimea back, it’s not going to happen.

105 Amory Blaine  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:27:20pm

Volcano duck and Singha please.

106 Kragar  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:28:12pm

re: #100 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

To repeat something very wise Killgore said a few days ago, Putin might move to take the rest of the Ukraine, or he might not.

Makes you think, doesn’t it?

Figure the odds are 50/50

Either he will or he won’t.

Just like the odds Lucy Lawless will swing by later for a 3-way.

Either she will or she won’t.

107 thedopefishlives  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:28:15pm

re: #104 Killgore Trout

From the White House…

They are looking to finalize a diplomatic agreement. That agreement will almost surely include Russia’s annexation of Crimea. I don’t think anybody expects Putin to give Crimea back, it’s not going to happen.

But that isn’t what you said. You might want to tie those goalposts down a little more firmly, they’re looking a little shifty.

108 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:28:21pm

re: #88 thedopefishlives

DOOM ON YOU. DOOM ON YOU.

Tae kwon dodos, ATTACK!

The referenced scene can be viewed here.

109 thedopefishlives  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:29:05pm

re: #108 Dark_Falcon

The referenced scene can be viewed here.

It makes me laugh every time because, as most people here know, I am a student at a tae kwon do school.

110 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:29:11pm

I worked w/a mail order bride from Moldova 10 yrs ago. Her much older, unemployed engineer husband brought her to work and picked her up. She was a bit reluctant to get too friendly w/people, but she told me she had sold cosmetics in Moldova and spoke Russian. I didn’t get the impression she was very happy, just resigned.

111 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:29:18pm

I imagine a Putin who is in quantum superposition, simultaneously rubbing his testicles all over Ukraine while looking in a mirror, and not at the same time.

Schrodinger’s Vlad.

112 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:30:15pm

re: #111 goddamnedfrank

I imagine a Putin who is in quantum superposition, simultaneously rubbing his testicles all over Ukraine while looking in a mirror, and not at the same time.

Schrodinger’s Vlad.

Fun fact. Schrodinger was basically making fun of himself with the whole cat business, it wasn’t supposed to be a serious example.

113 De Kolta Chair  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:30:31pm

re: #95 thedopefishlives

I don’t have kids, but I have scads of nieces and nephews, so take my word for it — over the next fifteen years you’re going to see so many witches, werewolves, vampires and singing genii, and so much unconvincing CGI, you’re going to wish Putin would drop the big one.

But I’m sure you knew that already.

114 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:31:38pm

re: #104 Killgore Trout

From the White House…

They are looking to finalize a diplomatic agreement. That agreement will almost surely include Russia’s annexation of Crimea. I don’t think anybody expects Putin to give Crimea back, it’s not going to happen.

But the inane suggestion you made in #62 is nothing like this. Your speculation was about Obama blithely giving away further chunks of the Ukraine for shits and giggles.

Besides, Russia wants to do some diplomacy to get the sanctions lifted and to prevent further measures from being taken. There’s no reason to assume that will just magically happen with no concessions from Russia.

115 Amory Blaine  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:31:44pm

Smooth as eggs.

116 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:31:51pm

re: #104 Killgore Trout

From the White House…

They are looking to finalize a diplomatic agreement. That agreement will almost surely include Russia’s annexation of Crimea. I don’t think anybody expects Putin to give Crimea back, it’s not going to happen.

I very much doubt that President Obama would be a party to any agreement that legitimized Russia’s hold on the Crimea. The optics of it would be horrific and it would be seen as just whetting Putin’s appetite for more. If Obama were to do such a thing he’d be seen as a present-day Neville Chamberlain, and he knows it.

117 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:34:02pm

re: #111 goddamnedfrank

Frank, kindly stop mentioning Putin’s testicles, would you please? I don’t need that sort of image in my head,

118 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:34:44pm

re: #116 Dark_Falcon

I very much doubt that President Obama would be a party to any agreement that legitimized Russia’s hold on the Crimea. The optics of it would be horrific and it would be seen as just whetting Putin’s appetite for more. If Obama were to do such a thing he’d be seen as a present-day Neville Chamberlain, and he knows it.

IOW, we don’t need to assume Obama has a pure heart to reject this hypothesis.

Assuming Obama is 1) not terminally idiotic and 2) is capable of considering political self-preservation for himself and the Democrats is more than enough.

119 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:34:57pm

re: #110 Justanotherhuman

I worked w/a mail order bride from Moldova 10 yrs ago. Her much older, unemployed engineer husband brought her to work and picked her up. She was a bit reluctant to get too friendly w/people, but she told me she had sold cosmetics in Moldova and spoke Russian. I didn’t get the impression she was very happy, just resigned.

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Yeah, I was just looking at that. Transnistria does not include areas already taken in Crimea, correct?

120 jaunte  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:35:45pm

Transnistrian border customs issues

121 bratwurst  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:35:46pm

re: #119 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I was just looking at that. Transnistria does not include areas already taken in Crimea, correct?

It is HUNDREDS of miles away from Crimea.

122 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:35:52pm

re: #113 De Kolta Chair

I don’t have kids, but I have scads of nieces and nephews, so take my word for it — over the next fifteen years you’re going to see so many witches, werewolves, vampires and singing genii, and so much unconvincing CGI, you’re going to wish Putin would drop the big one.

But I’m sure you knew that already.

Daughter 2 developed an “Annie” obsession. Fucking orphans.

123 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:36:24pm

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

Frank, kindly stop mentioning Putin’s testicles, would you please? I don’t need that sort of image in my head,

They’re cold, covered in white, and firm, like the Siberian tundra.

124 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:36:45pm

re: #119 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I was just looking at that. Transnistria does not include areas already taken in Crimea, correct?

Okay this has to be self-parody, right? They’re nowhere near each other.

125 Amory Blaine  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:37:06pm

re: #123 goddamnedfrank

Youtube Video

126 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:37:19pm

re: #122 Decatur Deb

Daughter 2 developed an “Annie” obsession. Fucking orphans.

Hey, orphans need love too.

Actually probably more.

127 ObserverArt  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:37:35pm

#98 post duplicate…a mystery to me. I know some folks have been making comments about Chrome doing bizzaro stuff, have any of you had a post quote itself with a page view change or going to another tab, two things I did when the duplicate appeared?

By the way, I’ve had some real weird things happen lately with Chrome. I’ve had pages completely change layout when coming back to them and put in parts of other earlier viewed pages. It seems to have a ram/cache of its own!

128 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:37:36pm

re: #118 EPR-radar

IOW, we don’t need to assume Obama has a pure heart to reject this hypothesis.

Assuming Obama is 1) not terminally idiotic and 2) is capable of considering political self-preservation for himself and the Democrats is more than enough.

That’s what I was saying. Killgore’s hypothesis could only work if Barack Obama had suddenly turned stupid.

129 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:37:42pm

EXCLUSIVE-Russia threatened countries ahead of UN vote on Ukraine-envoys

According to interviews with U.N. diplomats, most of whom preferred to speak on condition of anonymity for fear of angering Moscow, the targets of Russian threats included Moldova, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan as well as a number of African countries.

130 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:37:46pm

re: #119 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I was just looking at that. Transnistria does not include areas already taken in Crimea, correct?

Can’t you identify Crimea on that map? Of course it doesn’t.

131 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:38:03pm

Misread, thought suddenly referred to Kilgore, who’s been saying stupid shit for a while now.

132 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:38:13pm

re: #121 bratwurst

It is HUNDREDS of miles away from Crimea.

Ok, that’s why I wasn’t seeing it on the maps I was looking at.

133 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:38:34pm

re: #112 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Fun fact. Schrodinger was basically making fun of himself with the whole cat business, it wasn’t supposed to be a serious example.

Schrodinger was not exactly making fun of himself with this. The thought experiment of the cat was a criticism aimed at the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics.

134 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:39:22pm

re: #130 Justanotherhuman

Can’t you identify Crimea on that map? Of course it doesn’t.

Have you met “Barely-Paying-Attention” Killgore? It’s one of my favorite Killgores, much better than “Both Sides are Bad” Killgore, who is just indistinguishable from your average libertarian/emoprog.

135 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:39:43pm

re: #126 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Hey, orphans need love too.

Actually probably more.

Hearing “Hard Knock Life” for the 40th time makes you understand why they were put to coal tipples.

136 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:40:30pm

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

Frank, kindly stop mentioning Putin’s testicles, would you please? I don’t need that sort of image in my head,

re: #123 goddamnedfrank

They’re cold, covered in white, and firm, like the Siberian tundra.

*hands D_F the brain bleach…*

137 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:40:32pm

re: #129 Killgore Trout

EXCLUSIVE-Russia threatened countries ahead of UN vote on Ukraine-envoys

Dog bites man, footage at 10.

138 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:40:39pm

re: #132 Killgore Trout

Ok, that’s why I wasn’t seeing it on the maps I was looking at.

You and NJD should seriously start a news station. I thought the US media had hit rock bottom but you two could excavate and go even deeper. CNN ain’t got nothin’ on you.

139 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:40:50pm

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

Frank, kindly stop mentioning Putin’s testicles, would you please? I don’t need that sort of image in my head,

did you know that Lettuces In Spit is an anagram for “Putin Testicles”?

Knowledge is FUNdamental

RBS

140 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:42:40pm

re: #132 Killgore Trout

Ok, that’s why I wasn’t seeing it on the maps I was looking at.

If you were looking at the map on the link in my comment, Crimea is on that fucking map.

141 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:42:48pm

re: #135 Decatur Deb

Hearing “Hard Knock Life” for the 40th time makes you understand why they were put to coal tipples.

I actually have only ever heard this version:
Youtube Video

142 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:43:49pm

re: #140 Justanotherhuman

If you were looking at the map on the link in my comment, Crimea is on that fucking map.

But Crimea is not labeled on that map. ////

143 De Kolta Chair  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:44:57pm

re: #122 Decatur Deb

Daughter 2 developed an “Annie” obsession. Fucking orphans.

Judging by the trailer, that looks godawful. It’ll make a mint.

144 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:44:58pm

re: #120 jaunte

Transnistrian border customs issues

Hmmm, I wonder what would be involved in Putin’s plan to break the blockade.

145 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:45:57pm

re: #132 Killgore Trout

BBL

146 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:46:21pm

Greenwald just retweeted this photo:

Apparently this is supposed to prove how evil Obama is, because he’s being diplomatic with Saudi Arabia instead of … something.

147 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:47:02pm

re: #142 EPR-radar

But Crimea is not labeled on that map. ////

Killgore thought Ukrainians were Russians before this whole thing kicked off, he’s not exactly working from any actual knowledge.

148 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:47:07pm

re: #146 Charles Johnson

Greenwald just retweeted this photo:

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Apparently this is supposed to prove how evil Obama is, because he’s being diplomatic with Saudi Arabia instead of … something.

Needs moar belly dancer.

149 freetoken  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:47:16pm

Oh my:

Ebony magazine apologizes to RNC for editor’s tweets about black Republicans

Ebony magazine apologized to the Republican National Committee Friday for disparaging tweets about an RNC staffer and African-American Republicans by one of its senior editors.

On its website, the venerable African-American-oriented publication apologized for heated tweets written by Ebony com senior editor Jamilah Lemieux on her personal Twitter account about Raffi Williams, an RNC press secretary, and other African-American Republicans.

[…]

The Twitter incident started when Lemieux criticized plans by The Washington Times and Ben Carson, an African-American conservative, to start a publication aimed at black conservatives.

Williams responded to the tweet, saying ‘hoped you would encourage diversity of thought.’ Lemieux tweeted back ‘Oh great, here comes a White dude telling me how to do this Black thing. Pass.’

Williams, the son of Fox News analyst Juan Williams, is African-American. After becoming aware of Williams’s race. Lemieux later tweeted: “I don’t care what race you are. I don’t know why you GOP folks troll on here.’

That was too much for officials at Ebony. […]

RNC Chair Rance Priebus. who’s been courting African-American voters, wrote a letter to Ebony demanding an apology. […]

Good grief.

Given what goes on throughout Twitter, the RNC is complaining over tweets on a personal account that say:

‘Oh great, here comes a White dude telling me how to do this Black thing. Pass.’

and

‘I don’t care what race you are. I don’t know why you GOP folks troll on here.’

Ebony management must surely lack any convictions other than the corporate offend-no-one-at-any-cost mantra.

150 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:47:40pm

re: #146 Charles Johnson

Greenwald just retweeted this photo:

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Apparently this is supposed to prove how evil Obama is, because he’s being diplomatic with Saudi Arabia instead of … something.

If that horse painting doesn’t have eyes that someone standing inside the wall can look out of they’ve missed a huge opportunity there.

151 jaunte  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:48:11pm

re: #144 Killgore Trout

Looks like Russia already has a military presence there:
en.wikipedia.org

“Since the end of the conflict, a separate Russian unit was moved into the region as part of the joint Russian-Moldovan-Transnistrian peacekeeping force, the Joint Control Commission. The 14th Guards Army itself was reformed in April 1995 into the Operational Group of Russian Forces in Moldova which came under the command of the Moscow Military District and was charged with guarding the weapons stockpile at Cobasna.”

152 freetoken  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:49:02pm

re: #146 Charles Johnson

That’s some wild carpet going on there.

153 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:49:18pm

re: #146 Charles Johnson

Greenwald just retweeted this photo:

[Embedded content]

Apparently this is supposed to prove how evil Obama is, because he’s being diplomatic with Saudi Arabia instead of … something.

Look how they are all cringing away from him. Not like this:

154 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:49:44pm
155 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:50:31pm

156 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:50:35pm

re: #152 freetoken

That’s some wild carpet going on there.

I’m wondering what’s on the tables. Looks like plushies, but that can’t be it.

157 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:51:47pm

That horse picture looks like paint by numbers.

158 Aqua Obama  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:51:49pm

re: #152 freetoken

That’s some wild carpet going on there.

It’s not wild. It’s magic.

159 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:52:01pm

re: #154 Charles Johnson
Proving once again that all the money in the world can’t buy good taste. RT @petesouza Obama meets King Abdullah

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Thank you!!! I know that the cost of furnishing / carpet / drapes and accent pieces in that room exceeds my annual take-home salary, but it’s WAY over the top to me, looks like the sitting room of a Victorian brothel.

RBS

160 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:52:43pm

It looks like they bought all the furniture that Yanukovich thought was too tacky.

161 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:52:58pm

re: #142 EPR-radar

But Crimea is not labeled on that map. ////

I’ll readily admit that I couldn’t have located Crimea on an unlabeled map before the Ukraine crisis, but to not be able to do so after all the months it’s been in the news, and then to pretend you can read between the lines about Putin’s intentions regarding said place is just… O_o

162 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:53:31pm

re: #160 Pie-onist Overlord

It looks like they bought all the furniture that Yanukovich thought was too tacky.

The Saudi Royals have had a long time to practice Kleptocrat Kitsch.

163 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:53:52pm

re: #151 jaunte

Looks like Russia already has a military presence there:
en.wikipedia.org

Very interesting…

On 18 November 2008, the NATO Parliamentary Assembly adopted a resolution, urging Russia to “respect its commitments which were taken at the Istanbul OSCE Summit in 1999 and withdraw its illegal military presence from the Transdnestrian region of Moldova in the nearest future.”[15]

So it seems although areas with ethnic Russians are a factor it looks like Russia may be moving to permanently secure/annex areas with military bases.

164 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:55:05pm

re: #152 freetoken

That’s some wild carpet going on there.

I’m wondering if those are plastic flower arrangements. : )

165 Aqua Obama  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:56:44pm

That Russian Rocky Horror Picture Show ripoff was was filmed in Transdnistra, wasn’t it?

166 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:56:59pm

re: #163 Killgore Trout

So it seems although areas with ethnic Russians are a factor it looks like Russia may be moving to permanently secure/annex areas with military bases.

You could also say they may not. Very interesting.

Please keep letting us know that things can either be A or not-A.

New theory: Killgore is in the Lost bunker, and if he doesn’t shitpost a certain number of times a day then whatever bad thing in that dumb show that would happen when you didn’t push the button will happen.

This is not actually a very good theory.

167 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:57:21pm

re: #160 Pie-onist Overlord

It looks like they bought all the furniture that Yanukovich thought was too tacky.

Hahahahahaha, that was a good one!

168 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:57:44pm

For those of us who aren’t already experts on the local geography and political situations….
A map of Transnistria, Crimea, and other geographical ‘gray areas’ to be worried about

Russia’s annexation of Crimea has revealed one easily forgotten fact: The world has a lot of gray areas, and these disputed regions are worrying as their unresolved status is often a spark for conflict.

Now, just as it becomes clear that Crimea is part of Russia in all but international recognition, a new gray area enters the headlines. As of Sunday, all eyes were on the other side of Ukraine after U.S. Air Force Gen. Philip M. Breedlove said that Transnistria could soon be a hot spot.

The articles a few days old but worth checking out

169 jaunte  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:57:47pm

re: #161 CuriousLurker

I’ll readily admit that I couldn’t have located Crimea on an unlabeled map before the Ukraine crisis

I wouldn’t have been able to either, except that years ago I read Vassily Aksyonov’s “The Island of Crimea.”

The Novel that Predicts Russia’s Invasion of Crimea
newyorker.com

170 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:58:49pm
So what is the deal with Transnistria exactly? It’s a slim sliver of Moldova that split away from the country as the Soviet Union collapsed and has effectively been a Russian and Ukrainian-speaking enclave ever since.

There are some good reasons to worry about Transnistria. For one thing, Transnistria residents have been pretty clear that they want to join with Russia: Some 96% of voters wanted to be part of Russia in a 2006 poll, but Russia refused. Speaking Sunday, Breedlove argued that there were “absolutely” enough Russian troops on eastern border of Ukraine to “run to Transnistria if the decision was made to do that.” The Moldovan government has already warned Russia not to repeat Crimea there.

171 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:58:56pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

You don’t actually have to be an expert, you just have to be really, really barely conversant with the subject. Like, one step above Herman Cain would do it.

172 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:59:17pm

re: #155 Pie-onist Overlord

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There’s another one, a moment before or after, with an actual lip-lock. Unless it was shopped. Anyway, as long as I don’t see one of those with Obama, I’m happy.

173 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:00:26pm

I would actually love to look in at the alternate universe where Cain is handling this crisis. I have literally no idea what the fuck would be going on, but I bet it would involve some seriously weird press conferences.

174 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:00:27pm

re: #169 jaunte

I wouldn’t have been able to either, except that years ago I read Vassily Aksyonov’s “The Island of Crimea.”

The Novel that Predicts Russia’s Invasion of Crimea
newyorker.com

Actually, it’s not an island but a peninsula; it’s connected with Ukraine by an isthmus.

en.wikipedia.org

175 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:00:29pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

For those of us who aren’t already experts on the local geography and political situations….
A map of Transnistria, Crimea, and other geographical ‘gray areas’ to be worried about

The articles a few days old but worth checking out

Thank You K_T

176 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:01:01pm

re: #156 EPR-radar

I’m wondering what’s on the tables. Looks like plushies, but that can’t be it.

Flowers and snacks. The snacks are on gold pedestals.

177 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:01:06pm

re: #167 CuriousLurker

Hahahahahaha, that was a good one!

Tastes vary. When I was a kid in Pittsburgh, the heavy Ottoman furniture in my Croatian relatives’ house really creeped me out. Nothing like good Irish celluloid mirrors and enameled kitchen tables.

178 jaunte  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:01:17pm

re: #174 Justanotherhuman

True, but this is an alternate history novel.
“abetted by alternative geography”

179 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:02:06pm

re: #173 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I would actually love to look in at the alternate universe where Cain is handling this crisis. I have literally no idea what the fuck would be going on, but I bet it would involve some seriously weird press conferences.

Nein nein nein!

180 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:02:21pm

re: #173 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I would actually love to look in at the alternate universe where Cain is handling this crisis. I have literally no idea what the fuck would be going on, but I bet it would involve some seriously weird press conferences.

The 999th Airborne would have gone wheels-up already.

181 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:02:53pm

re: #180 Decatur Deb

The 999th Airborne would have gone wheels-up already.

Cain would have called on our allies in Yugoslavia for help.

182 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:02:57pm

re: #177 Decatur Deb

Tastes vary. When I was a kid in Pittsburgh, the heavy Ottoman furniture in my Croatian relatives’ house really creeped me out. Nothing like good Irish celluloid mirrors and enameled kitchen tables.

When I lived up north for a period of time later in life, it freaked me out that people left plastic coverings on upholstered furniture. And the cellophane on lamp shades.

183 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:03:50pm

re: #173 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I would actually love to look in at the alternate universe where Cain is handling this crisis. I have literally no idea what the fuck would be going on, but I bet it would involve some seriously weird press conferences.

At a summit with Putin, Cain would blather on about the fair tax and 9-9-9 while Putin and the rest of the world wonder what the hell this has to do with the Ukraine/Crimea.

184 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:04:01pm

re: #182 Justanotherhuman

When I lived up north for a period of time later in life, it freaked me out that people left plastic coverings on upholstered furniture. And the cellophane on lamp shades.

“Up North” must start before my MIL’s house in Kentucky.

185 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:04:26pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

For those of us who aren’t already experts on the local geography and political situations….
A map of Transnistria, Crimea, and other geographical ‘gray areas’ to be worried about

The articles a few days old but worth checking out

That’s very helpful. Non-experts might also want to learn about Kaliningrad Oblast, a Russian exclave I’ve been wondering about since December. //

186 Aqua Obama  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:04:59pm

Moldova is kind of weird. The reason it exists as a sovereign country today is the Molotov-Rippentrop act.

187 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:05:27pm

I don’t know how my Slovenian grandmother developed her taste in furnishings, but it wasn’t bad for a peasant who married a renderer. Her worst offense was continuing the Hummel collection into the bathroom.

188 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:05:51pm

re: #173 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I would actually love to look in at the alternate universe where Cain is handling this crisis. I have literally no idea what the fuck would be going on, but I bet it would involve some seriously weird press conferences.

We’d end up surrounding Uzbekibekibekistanstan with electrons and alligators.

189 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:06:21pm

re: #182 Justanotherhuman

When I lived up north for a period of time later in life, it freaked me out that people left plastic coverings on upholstered furniture. And the cellophane on lamp shades.

Heh.

When I was in Istanbul, I got the chance to go to the Friday congregational prayer at the Süleymaniye Mosque. Quite something. And after that, I got to see the tomb of Suleiman the Magnificent.

190 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:07:09pm

re: #188 goddamnedfrank

We’d end up surrounding Uzbekibekibekistanstan with electrons and alligators.

The good news is the electrons are already in place.

191 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:07:15pm

My favorite interior is the US Department thereof.

192 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:08:51pm

And now some real news.

fourthcrown.wordpress.com

193 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:09:18pm

re: #191 wrenchwench

My favorite interior is the US Department thereof.

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Foreplay—eagle porn.

194 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:09:35pm

re: #184 Decatur Deb

“Up North” must start before my MIL’s house in Kentucky.

No, it was in Philly. They looked custom made. I think it might have been a working class thing there, but I’d never seen that before and I’m working class. : ) This says the ’50s and ’60s, but that was in the early ’70s.

vintageallies.com

195 dog philosopher  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:10:10pm

re: #182 Justanotherhuman

When I lived up north for a period of time later in life, it freaked me out that people left plastic coverings on upholstered furniture. And the cellophane on lamp shades.

the people who would be important enough to be entertained in that carefully preserved furniture museum known in our house as the “living room” never arrived

196 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:10:42pm

Need to rustle up something for dinner.

Later, lizards.

197 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:12:06pm

re: #195 dog philosopher

the people who would be important enough to be entertained in that carefully preserved furniture museum known in our house as the “living room” never arrived

Ah so. We never had a “den”, so the LR was always in use. : )

198 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:13:10pm

re: #194 Justanotherhuman

No, it was in Philly. They looked custom made. I think it might have been a working class thing there, but I’d never seen that before and I’m working class. : ) This says the ’50s and ’60s, but that was in the early ’70s.

vintageallies.com

re: #195 dog philosopher

the people who would be important enough to be entertained in that carefully preserved furniture museum known in our house as the “living room” never arrived

MIL was a little white girl who towed a tow sack (different ‘tow’) through cotton fields in Tennessee. Everything she got, she got hard and she was proud of it.

199 Aqua Obama  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:13:22pm

I once asked a Turkish guy what the word for “Ottoman” was, you know, the furniture.

I was a little disappointed

200 Lidane  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:13:45pm

re: #146 Charles Johnson

Greenwald just retweeted this photo:

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Apparently this is supposed to prove how evil Obama is, because he’s being diplomatic with Saudi Arabia instead of … something.

Oh come on. We all know that no other POTUS has ever dealt with the Saudis.

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201 dog philosopher  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:13:54pm

Finally, doctors face nonpayment by patients with ObamaCare. These patients may or may not be paying their premiums and we have no way of verifying this. No business can operate with that much uncertainty.

somehow, ‘obamacare’ is alien, abnormal insurance that doesn’t work in normal ways. i think it is kind of green and lumpy, and definitely difficult to focus on or even see

202 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:14:17pm

Hmm. David Trampier has died at age 59.

greyhawkgrognard.blogspot.com

Well-known artist within the RPG world of the 70s and 80s due to having done work for TSR on AD&D among other things.

203 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:15:37pm

re: #201 dog philosopher

Finally, doctors face nonpayment by patients with ObamaCare. These patients may or may not be paying their premiums and we have no way of verifying this. No business can operate with that much uncertainty.

somehow, ‘obamacare’ is alien, abnormal insurance that doesn’t work in normal ways. i think it is kind of green and lumpy, and definitely difficult to focus on or even see

Total bullshit (original meme). Obamacare is Blue Cross, Aetna, Humana, etc. and the docs know how to check that before the blood pressure cuff goes on.

204 ObserverArt  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:16:10pm

re: #182 Justanotherhuman

When I lived up north for a period of time later in life, it freaked me out that people left plastic coverings on upholstered furniture. And the cellophane on lamp shades.

There was an African American family three doors down from where I grew up. Their son and I used to ride bikes, play ball and all kinds of stuff.

Anyway, his entire living area was covered in that vinyl clear covering that had like a diamond texture to it. If people from that era remember, it was just like the seat coverings in cars. It had to be at least 1/16th inch thick. It was covering all the furniture and the carpet. Place was clean as all get out and then hermetically sealed.

Bobby’s mom was a neat freak. She was the epitome of the early 60s mother too. The nice house dress, apron, well coiffed, the whole Mrs. Clever look, almost suburban, but here we were in the inner city.

My mom was clean enough, but lost by comparison in the sealed area. And, I remember the white kids I went to school with saying stupid stuff about the way blacks lived. This family down the street was ‘whiter’ than my school friends. Good times. but the plastic not so much.

205 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:18:07pm

re: #198 Decatur Deb

MIL was a little white girl who towed a tow sack (different ‘tow’) through cotton fields in Tennessee. Everything she got, she got hard and she was proud of it.

And good for her! Even though my grandmother didn’t exactly grow up poor she became poor having 6 kids and an absent husband. But she never forgot the furniture she saw in her father’s furniture store, and always had a taste for Duncan Phyfe and mahogany Federal style tables, etc.

I still have one of her tables.

206 dog philosopher  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:20:06pm

re: #197 Justanotherhuman

Ah so. We never had a “den”, so the LR was always in use. : )

the people in our neighborhood populated their ‘living rooms’ with imitations of imitations of cheap imitations of louis quinze furniture, so cheap that the stamped on gold colored paisley shapes did not line up with the stamped on indentations in the wood

they were then upholstered in colors fashionable in the year 1958 and covered with the plastic ‘slipcovers’ that we were talking about earlier

everybody lived and ate in the den in the basement on the old beat up couches in front of the black and white teevee

207 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:21:21pm

re: #206 dog philosopher

the people in our neighborhood populated their ‘living rooms’ with imitations of imitations of cheap imitations of louis quinze furniture, so cheap that the stamped on gold colored paisley shapes did not line up with the stamped on indentations in the wood

they were then upholstered in colors fashionable in the year 1958 and covered with the plastic ‘slipcovers’ that we were talking about earlier

everybody lived and ate in the den in the basement on the old beat up couches in front of the black and white teevee

The exact setting in which we watched the moon landing.

208 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:24:47pm

re: #207 Decatur Deb

The exact setting in which we watched the moon landing.

Sounds as awful as the imitation Danish Modern and those triangular shaped tables and lamps. I hated those with a passion.

209 Lidane  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:24:48pm

Yes this is an obvious parody, but somewhere out there someone is going to RT this without irony:

210 Aqua Obama  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:26:08pm

Behold the Mighty Wallpaper

211 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:26:28pm

Pele was more surprised than anyone this morning when CNN announced he was dead.

212 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:26:37pm

re: #209 Lidane

Yes this is an obvious parody, but somewhere out there someone is going to RT this without irony:

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I thought that was Steven Buscemi.

213 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:28:10pm

re: #207 Decatur Deb

The exact setting in which we watched the moon landing.

We went to the neighbors’ house because they had a color TV.

Not much color on the moon, though. I fell asleep.

214 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:28:11pm

re: #211 NJDhockeyfan

Pele was more surprised than anyone this morning when CNN announced he was dead.

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Was he on the plane?

215 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:28:20pm

re: #199 Aqua Obama

I once asked a Turkish guy what the word for “Ottoman” was, you know, the furniture.

I was a little disappointed

I wonder what they call the bird we eat for Thanksgiving.

216 makeitstop  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:29:01pm

re: #212 Justanotherhuman

I thought that was Steven Buscemi.

I believe it is. Younger Buscemi, but it sure looks just like him.

217 jaunte  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:29:12pm

re: #208 Justanotherhuman

Sounds as awful as the imitation Danish Modern and those triangular shaped tables and lamps. I hated those with a passion.

That reminds me of the kitchen formica I grew up with:

218 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:30:17pm

re: #215 Killgore Trout

I wonder what they call the bird we eat for Thanksgiving.

“Hindi”

blog.dictionary.com

219 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:30:28pm

re: #216 makeitstop

I believe it is. Younger Buscemi, but it sure looks just like him.

Donny: Are these the Nazis, Walter?

Walter Sobchak: No, Donny, these men are nihilists. There’s nothing to be afraid of.

Does “The Big Lebowski” ring a bell?

220 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:31:17pm

re: #72 NJDhockeyfan

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Wow! America’s Ass/Elbow news network makes yet another amazing revelation: The Boeing 777 has difficulty flying without fuel.
I wonder if they will now launch a major investigation to determine whether other aircraft suffer from this defect.

221 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:31:36pm

re: #215 Killgore Trout

I wonder what they call the bird we eat for Thanksgiving.

Canada.

222 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:31:41pm

re: #217 jaunte

We had vinyl-covered furniture (and cars with vinyl seats) when I was growing up. Surely one of the all-time bad ideas.

223 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:32:04pm

re: #220 Shiplord Kirel

Wow! America’s Ass/Elbow news network makes yet another amazing revelation: The Boeing 777 has difficulty flying without fuel.
I wonder if they will now launch a major investigation to determine whether other aircraft suffer from this defect.

Planes don’t need fuel, man!
They run on chemtrails!

224 jaunte  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:32:11pm

re: #222 EPR-radar

cars with vinyl seats

I remember the summer burn.

225 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:32:53pm

re: #222 EPR-radar

We had vinyl-covered furniture (and cars with vinyl seats) when I was growing up. Surely one of the all-time bad ideas.

I can still hear the sound of my shirtless brother peeling himself off the Naugahyde sofa.

226 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:33:23pm

re: #217 jaunte

That reminds me of the kitchen formica I grew up with:

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227 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:34:23pm

re: #224 jaunte

I remember the summer burn.

My 3-color grad-school Buick was upholstered with an OD army blanket. Itchy, but no burns.

228 Swift2991  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:34:33pm

If he can’t listen to and respond to criticism in an intelligent way, he’s not a journalist. But we already knew that.

Plus, that is really terrible writing. Written like a love-letter from a teen in Bulgaria.

229 GeneJockey  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:34:44pm

re: #155 Pie-onist Overlord

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Hey, that pic seems like a good place for THERE ARE NO PICTURES OF OBAMA LIKE THIS!! NONE!!

230 jaunte  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:35:30pm

re: #227 Decatur Deb

We had one of those for the beach, but getting fried on the vinyl car seat was just life.

231 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:36:01pm

re: #218 Decatur Deb

“Hindi”

blog.dictionary.com

Heh, interesting. I never would have guessed that.

232 GeneJockey  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:36:08pm

re: #180 Decatur Deb

The 999th Airborne would have gone wheels tits-up already.

FTFY

233 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:36:56pm

re: #231 Killgore Trout

Heh, interesting. I never would have guessed that.

Makes you wonder what they call it in India.

234 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:38:58pm

So far the English speaking press seems very uninterested in Putin’s Transnistria comments.

235 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:39:16pm

re: #226 Varek Raith

Image: kill_it_with_fire.gif

The worst color for a kitchen ever were those avocado ranges and fridges.

Talk about an appetite suppressant. They looked the color of baby diarrhea.

236 jaunte  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:39:46pm

re: #233 Decatur Deb

“One word for the bird in one of the several dialects of Hindi is also peru or piru, which is probably borrowed from Portuguese. That makes sense, since the turkey was introduced to India by the Portuguese”
straightdope.com

237 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:40:47pm

re: #220 Shiplord Kirel

Wow! America’s Ass/Elbow news network makes yet another amazing revelation: The Boeing 777 has difficulty flying without fuel.
I wonder if they will now launch a major investigation to determine whether other aircraft suffer from this defect.

The only way CNN’s missing plane coverage could get worse at this point is if they decide to re-enact the ‘Otto the autopilot’ scene from Airplane as breaking news.

238 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:42:32pm

re: #235 Justanotherhuman

The worst color for a kitchen ever were those avocado ranges and fridges.

Talk about an appetite suppressant. They looked the color of baby diarrhea.

Spent all my college nights on a GE refrigerator assembly line. We made Avocado, Harvest Gold, Copper, and Teal. (And white, which was called “White”.)

239 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:42:57pm
240 danarchy  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:43:10pm

re: #237 EPR-radar

The only way CNN’s missing plane coverage could get worse at this point is if they decide to re-enact the ‘Otto the autopilot’ scene from Airplane as breaking news.

Not sure that would be worse…at least it would be funny.

241 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:43:33pm

re: #238 Decatur Deb

Spent all my college nights on a GE refrigerator assembly line. We made Avocado, Harvest Gold, and Teal. (And white, which was called “White”.)

I wonder what fraction of the refrigerators of the 70s were that ugly avocado color.

242 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:44:22pm

re: #235 Justanotherhuman

The worst color for a kitchen ever were those avocado ranges and fridges.

Talk about an appetite suppressant. They looked the color of baby diarrhea.

I had an apartment in the Tacoma area when I lived there, beautiful huge apartment, big balcony, but it was avocado green fixtures and harvest gold deep shag carpet.

RBS

243 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:44:36pm

re: #241 EPR-radar

I wonder what fraction of the refrigerators of the 70s were that ugly avocado color.

Remembering, about 1:5.

244 Lidane  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:44:55pm

re: #212 Justanotherhuman

I thought that was Steven Buscemi.

It is. That’s his character from The Big Lebowski. The meme describes his death in the film.

245 jaunte  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:45:03pm

re: #238 Decatur Deb

Avocado, Harvest Gold, and Teal

And people did actually dress in that combination, too.

246 danarchy  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:45:15pm

re: #238 Decatur Deb

Spent all my college nights on a GE refrigerator assembly line. We made Avocado, Harvest Gold, and Teal. (And white, which was called “White”.)

Heh, we had the harvest gold. My grandmother still has the avacado( damn thing is probably as old as I am)

247 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:45:39pm

re: #245 jaunte

And people did actually dress in that combination, too.

Ya hadda be there…

248 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:45:53pm

re: #245 jaunte

And people did actually dress in that combination, too.

What… that’s a bad thing?

RBS

249 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:45:55pm

re: #243 Decatur Deb

Remembering, about 1:5.

Perhaps we have unearthed one of the causes of rising obesity in the US since the 70s. Fewer people having their appetites suppressed as they approach the refrigerator. //

250 GeneJockey  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:46:12pm

re: #235 Justanotherhuman

The worst color for a kitchen ever were those avocado ranges and fridges.

Talk about an appetite suppressant. They looked the color of baby diarrhea.

When we bought our house, it had one of those Avocado Green electric ranges with the little oven over top. Seems like a good idea, right? Two ovens, so you can have different temps?

WRONG!

The upper one had SO LITTLE insulation that if you used it, you were afraid it would set the cabinets aflame, and it was low enough that standing in front of the stove I could not see what was going on on the back burners. We replaced it as soon as we could.

251 jaunte  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:46:18pm

re: #248 RealityBasedSteve

No Skype for you!

252 De Kolta Chair  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:47:27pm

re: #216 makeitstop

I believe it is. Younger Buscemi, but it sure looks just like him.

In the 80’s, the wife and I lived in Manhattan’s Chinatown (we’re eight or nine blocks south of that now lo these past twenty or so years), and would often chat up a pleasant, smart, and very funny firefighter in front of his station and at the local bar, which everyone calls the Shark Bar, though its name is much more prosaic, but anyway a couple of years later, he was world famous. Nice guy, that Buscemi kid.

253 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:48:00pm

re: #242 RealityBasedSteve

I had an apartment in the Tacoma area when I lived there, beautiful huge apartment, big balcony, but it was avocado green fixtures and harvest gold deep shag carpet.

RBS

We had green shag. Went away for two months in 1972, came back to the worst flea infestation ever. Had to leave again, after setting off a few bug bombs.

254 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:48:02pm

re: #214 Decatur Deb

Was he on the plane?

They haven’t said yet. CNN is still working on an investigative report on Pele’s accent.

255 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:48:23pm

re: #238 Decatur Deb

Spent all my college nights on a GE refrigerator assembly line. We made Avocado, Harvest Gold, and Teal. (And white, which was called “White”.)

Wow, impressive. FT, I assume? You must have been exhausted.

Don’t remember the Teal, though, must not have been very popular.

I’ve always preferred white. Don’t even like black, and stainless steel is too industrial looking for me, plus unaffordable at any rate. It’s all about preferences.

256 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:49:19pm

Confession—our house was built in the 70s. We just had the avocado tub and fittings demolished, replaced with modern ADA-fitted shower. The harvest gold guest bath is next.

257 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:50:01pm

re: #256 Decatur Deb

Confession—our house was built in the 70s. We just had the avocado tub and fittings demolished, replaced with modern ADA-fitted shower. The harvest gold guest bath is next.

The 70s were a black hole in terms of taste.

258 jaunte  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:51:26pm

re: #257 Varek Raith

The 70s were a black hole in terms of taste.

259 GeneJockey  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:52:04pm

re: #253 wrenchwench

We had green shag. Went away for two months in 1972, came back to the worst flea infestation ever. Had to leave again, after setting off a few bug bombs.

My first apartment out here in CA had that gold shag crap. That and an ‘exposed beam ceiling’ which meant there was no sound insulation between floors. Not much between apartments on the same floor, either, as I discovered the time I had a girl over on a first date, and the guy in the next apartment was banging his girlfriend like a screendoor in a windstorm. She was a screamer, too.

Not what you want to have happen when you’re trying to make a young woman feel at ease. It made for awkward conversation.

260 jaunte  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:52:27pm

261 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:53:00pm

re: #255 Justanotherhuman

Wow, impressive. FT, I assume? You must have been exhausted.

Don’t remember the Teal, though, must not have been very popular.

I’ve always preferred white. Don’t even like black, and stainless steel is too industrial looking for me, plus unaffordable at any rate. It’s all about preferences.

Three-to-eleven shift. FT (up to 20 hrs) courses. Still don’t know how I slept.
Wife would type the papers I’d dictate into a cassette recorder while we commuted. (Had 3 kids before I ditched grad school.)

262 jaunte  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:53:06pm

Ford Pinto “County Squire” Wagon

263 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:53:20pm
264 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:53:28pm

re: #257 Varek Raith

The 70s were a black hole in terms of taste.

Well, hell, it was the era of fading psychedelia, then disco.

265 GeneJockey  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:54:38pm

re: #258 jaunte

Oh, hell, that’s NOTHING!

266 calochortus  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:55:00pm

re: #255 Justanotherhuman

Teal was more 1960s. As was pink. The first house my husband and I owned had pink appliances in the kitchen. And blond wood. Mercifully, I don’t remember the counter clearly.

267 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:55:31pm

re: #264 Justanotherhuman

Well, hell, it was the era of fading psychedelia, then disco.

Leisure suits! It went from bad to worse.

268 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:55:56pm

re: #253 wrenchwench

We had green shag. Went away for two months in 1972, came back to the worst flea infestation ever. Had to leave again, after setting off a few bug bombs.

My parents have a revolting story about buying some secondhand furniture (a hutch I think) and waking up in the middle of the night to find that it apparently housed half the roaches in creation.

So glad I wasn’t around for that episode.

269 GeneJockey  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:56:23pm

re: #266 calochortus

Teal was more 1960s. As was pink. The first house my husband and I owned had pink appliances in the kitchen. And blond wood. Mercifully, I don’t remember the counter clearly.

I remember the 80s as a time of teal, ‘dusty rose’ and Wedgewood gray.

270 GeneJockey  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:57:18pm

re: #267 wrenchwench

Leisure suits! It went from bad to worse.

My sister’s second husband was a leisure suit kind of guy, It went with the big glasses, the combover, and the pornstar moustache.

271 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:58:09pm

Ford Cruising Van and Cruising Wagon…

They’re Shag-A-Licious!!!!

RBS

272 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:58:14pm
273 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:59:16pm

re: #271 RealityBasedSteve

Ford Cruising Van and Cruising Wagon…

They’re Shag-A-Licious!!!!

RBS

But there was this. Never surpassed.

Image: Jaguar-XKE-Convertible-1969-05ILM211028901A.jpeg

274 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 4:59:56pm

re: #260 jaunte

[Embedded image]

Is that….
Nevermind, I don’t want to know.

275 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:01:14pm

re: #269 GeneJockey

I remember the 80s as a time of teal, ‘dusty rose’ and Wedgewood gray.

Jade green, too. A color I hated when it was popular (because it was everywhere), but I like now. Along with cabbage roses, same thing. It’s an old lady thing, I think, or I just like a lot of color and florals these days, nothing glaring, though. I’d never go back to that awful orange and lime green crap. Glaring. : )

276 GeneJockey  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:01:16pm

re: #273 Decatur Deb

But there was this. Never surpassed.

Image: Jaguar-XKE-Convertible-1969-05ILM211028901A.jpeg

“And when it was good, it was very, very good. But when it was bad, it was horrid.”

Spoken as one who owned a British sports car of the 1960s.

277 kirkspencer  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:01:17pm

re: #264 Justanotherhuman

Well, hell, it was the era of fading psychedelia, then disco.

yaknow, I never really got the gleeful /horror/ about disco. Yes, there were some terrible songs. Don’t care what type of music you pick there were some terrible songs. And then there are the good songs that just got horribly overplayed. Again, any type of music…

278 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:01:22pm

re: #273 Decatur Deb

But there was this. Never surpassed.

Image: Jaguar-XKE-Convertible-1969-05ILM211028901A.jpeg

When I win the powerball, I’m getting a Jag XKE, British Racing Green, Tan Top, but with a Chevy small block and a 700r4 transmission.

RBS

279 calochortus  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:01:41pm

re: #269 GeneJockey

Yup. The ‘teal’ of the 60s was really more turquoise.

280 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:01:46pm

re: #272 Charles Johnson

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He would. He is definitely in the “Nobama” camp.

281 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:03:08pm

Is my online life really so boring that all I get is ink cartridge mega sale spam?

282 GeneJockey  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:03:33pm

re: #279 calochortus

Yup. The ‘teal’ of the 60s was really more turquoise.

When I think of the 60s, I think of Roger Sterling’s office on Mad Men.

283 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:04:09pm

re: #276 GeneJockey

“And when it was good, it was very, very good. But when it was bad, it was horrid.”

Spoken as one who owned a British sports car of the 1960s.

Still have a Uni-Sync balancer for SU carbs in the bottom of the box.

284 GeneJockey  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:04:20pm

re: #281 Varek Raith

Is my online life really so boring that all I get is ink cartridge mega sale spam?

What, you don’t get “Want to meet single women over 50?”

285 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:05:08pm

re: #257 Varek Raith

The 70s were a black hole in terms of taste.

I don’t know. Go back and watch Rollerball, the original 1975 version. Stylistically that movie was fucking badass. The design of the sport itself, the uniforms, the font, color, stadium, it all fused together pretty seamlessly. Sure the corporate world backstory kind of sucked if you thought about it too much, but the creativity and production design were better than most stuff being put out today.

And the stunts were real, no cgi. There’s no doubt that people went home hurting from that set.

286 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:05:37pm

re: #284 GeneJockey

What, you don’t get “Want to meet single women over 50?”

65 is the new 50?

287 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:05:45pm

re: #272 Charles Johnson

According to GG and the dudebros, Obama should presumably walk into that room and beat the Saudi Royals soundly about the head and shoulders with an enormous ham hock. Somehow, this would improve things.

//

288 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:06:51pm

OT Drive-by:

ICYMI this is super creepy, especially in full-screen mode.

Vimeo

289 De Kolta Chair  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:08:20pm

re: #258 jaunte

Being cursed all my life with car sickness, a formative experience was at the age of thirteen, when I barfed all over our picnic lunch in the back of my parents’ 1965 Rambler station wagon (a gorgeous ride — red and white checkered upholstery and everything). Fortunately, time has a way of passing, and my sisters no longer tease me with their infantile “Barfaroni, the San Francisco treat” song.

But what I would give to hear those dulcet tones again.

290 Aqua Obama  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:09:48pm

re: #222 EPR-radar

We had vinyl-covered furniture (and cars with vinyl seats) when I was growing up. Surely one of the all-time bad ideas.

Buick Century Brougham de Baroque Turquoise And Gold Edition

291 GeneJockey  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:11:03pm

re: #283 Decatur Deb

Still have a Uni-Sync balancer for SU carbs in the bottom of the box.

The one good thing about the MGB I owned is just how easy it was to jury rig things. One time I was going through a tunnel on the North East Extension of the PA Turnpike. I started hearing the rattling scrape of a dropped exhaust system, and said to myself, “Some poor bastard’s dragging his tailpipe!”

Turned out I was the poor bastard. The rear exhaust hanger had broken. BUT, I happened to have a pair of hose clamps. One went around the tailpipe, the other went through that, and through the bumper mount. I drove with it that way through the next winter.

The bad thing about it was how often I had to jury rig things.

292 GeneJockey  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:11:59pm

re: #286 Justanotherhuman

65 is the new 50?

Hey, I’m 56. One man’s Cougar is another man’s Younger Woman!

293 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:12:47pm

Just talkin’ ‘bout Shaft.

294 GeneJockey  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:13:17pm

re: #293 goddamnedfrank

Just talkin’ ‘bout Shaft.

We can dig it.

295 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:14:49pm

re: #293 goddamnedfrank

Just talkin’ ‘bout Shaft.

Shut yo’ mouth.

296 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:15:09pm

re: #290 Aqua Obama

Buick Century Brougham de Baroque Turquoise And Gold Edition

First comment:

I like this. So many Broughams are overdone. Finally, one with a little restraint.

lol

297 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:15:38pm

Second day in a row with mig29 video featured on liveleak. I guess it looks believable enough but those really low passes seem unnecessary and risky
SAF MIG-29 & MIG-23? Strafing IF Rebels
Liveleak Video

298 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:17:06pm

Huh, it’s early Friday night, must be time for the LGF nostalgiathon.

299 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:17:31pm

re: #291 GeneJockey

Buddy got through WVA by sticking his wife’s hairpin in a B’s carb. When he got back, he said “Screw it.” and never replaced it.

300 De Kolta Chair  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:18:30pm

re: #293 goddamnedfrank

He’s a complicated man (though you wouldn’t notice it from the movie).

Gordon Parks — what a dear, sweet gentleman he was. In his later years, he turned to painting watercolours, superbly (and I’m a total snob about watercolour, being a gauche guachist myself).

301 Swift2991  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:18:36pm

re: #39 Justanotherhuman

Bill Keller will always be a dunderhead to me because of Iraq.

302 calochortus  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:19:04pm

Time to go start dinner. Later, all.

303 jaunte  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:20:32pm

re: #298 Targetpractice

I blame the Saudi Royals.

304 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:20:55pm

re: #297 Killgore Trout

Second day in a row with mig29 video featured on liveleak. I guess it looks believable enough but those really low passes seem unnecessary and risky
SAF MIG-29 & MIG-23? Strafing IF Rebels
[Embedded content]

They are both primarily air superiority aircraft. They have multirole conversions, but as you can see from the vid, they aren’t terribly effective.

305 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:20:56pm
306 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:21:04pm

re: #293 goddamnedfrank

Shut yo mouth! /

307 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:22:29pm

re: #298 Targetpractice

Huh, it’s early Friday night, must be time for the LGF nostalgiathon.

Later we’re all going to Shoneys for the buffet. Bring a plastic bag in your pocket, you can get enough for the weekend.

RBS

308 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:24:02pm

I remember when Shimano first put 7 gears on their cassettes. I thought, ‘Why so many? There’s hardly any difference between them!’

309 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:25:41pm

re: #308 wrenchwench

I remember when Shimano first put 7 gears on their cassettes. I thought, ‘Why so many? There’s hardly any difference between them!’

Remember when a 3-speed Raleigh was called simply “an English racer”?

310 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:26:30pm

re: #308 wrenchwench

I remember when Shimano first put 7 gears on their cassettes. I thought, ‘Why so many? There’s hardly any difference between them!’

I remember arguing that I could do all of that with my 5 speed 1/2 step with grannny combo. Still think that was the best overall gearing I’d ever had.

RBS
Double Shifts don’t bother me.

311 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:27:18pm

re: #309 Decatur Deb

Remember when a 3-speed Raleigh was called simply “an English racer”?

That was slightly before my time, but I owned one later, and still hear folks recalling theirs.

312 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:27:21pm

This is an excellent read.

313 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:28:54pm

re: #298 Targetpractice

Huh, it’s early Friday night, must be time for the LGF nostalgiathon.

Nothing wrong with nostalgia. I still remember when I first heard what real stereo sounds like (a friend’s walkman). Turns out my parents’ stereo while I was growing up had a blown out right channel that was never fixed.

314 De Kolta Chair  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:29:58pm

re: #301 Swift2991

Bill Keller will always be a dunderhead to me because of Iraq.

Once you’ve gone Judith Miller, you don’t go back.

315 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:30:03pm

I’m wondering whether I can just read the twitter debate about the Chait/Coates debate and not have to read the articles they wrote.

/kinda

316 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:33:07pm

“Conservative” in Britain is not exactly what conservatives in the US think it is.

Prime Minister David Cameron hails 1st same-sex marriages in England, Wales as sending ‘powerful message’ about equality in Britain - @itvnews
read more on itv.com

317 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:33:39pm

re: #300 De Kolta Chair

He’s a complicated man (though you wouldn’t notice it from the movie).

Gordon Parks — what a dear, sweet gentleman he was.

Is that the same Gordon Parks who was famous as a Life-quality photographer?

318 GeneJockey  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:35:12pm

re: #308 wrenchwench

I remember when Shimano first put 7 gears on their cassettes. I thought, ‘Why so many? There’s hardly any difference between them!’

I lost interest in bikes when I got a drivers license at 16, and only got interested again when I was 38. So I missed 6 and 7 speeds, and barely got in in time for 8. I still have, and still love riding, a 1994 Ritchey Road Logic with 7410 Dura Ace that I got for 1/3 off in 1996 when 9 speed Dura Ace came out. Sure, the STIs are funny-lookin’, but the spidery 7410 crank is a thing of beauty!

319 De Kolta Chair  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:39:31pm

re: #317 Decatur Deb

Is that the same Gordon Parks who was famous as a Life-quality photographer?

Indeed he was. He was staff photographer at Life. A most talented gentleman. I met him only a couple of times at art openings, and he was the real deal.

He also directed most of “Superfly,” though the credit went to his son, Gordon Parks, Jr., which was nice of the old man.

320 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:39:42pm

re: #318 GeneJockey

I lost interest in bikes when I got a drivers license at 16, and only got interested again when I was 38. So I missed 6 and 7 speeds, and barely got in in time for 8. I still have, and still love riding, a 1994 Ritchey Road Logic with 7410 Dura Ace that I got for 1/3 off in 1996 when 9 speed Dura Ace came out. Sure, the STIs are funny-lookin’, but the spidery 7410 crank is a thing of beauty!

I had to order a freehub body today so a customer could put 11 where she now has 9. Where does it end??!?

321 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:42:44pm

re: #257 Varek Raith

The 70s were a black hole in terms of taste.

They sure made a fashion statement in the 70s.

322 GeneJockey  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:46:31pm

re: #320 wrenchwench

I had to order a freehub body today so a customer could put 11 where she now has 9. Where does it end??!?

All I can say is that anytime I’m going up certain local hills, my right hand keeps trying to find that next lower gear.

323 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:47:29pm

re: #322 GeneJockey

All I can say is that anytime I’m going up certain local hills, my right hand keeps trying to find that next lower gear.

I keep checking to see how flat my tire is.

324 GeneJockey  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:48:45pm

re: #323 wrenchwench

I keep checking to see how flat my tire is.

That too.

325 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:58:39pm

re: #320 wrenchwench

I had to order a freehub body today so a customer could put 11 where she now has 9. Where does it end??!?

I just finished building a infinitely geared hub for my little knock-around recumbent. A Nu-Vinci N-360, thing weighs a metric ton!!!! Plus it’s got a huge diameter, and even doing a one-cross lacing on a 20 inch BMX wheel was a major chore. Still have to get around and strip everything off the bike, get a single speed crank and get it setup… it will be a days work for me.

RBS

326 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:01:02pm

re: #325 RealityBasedSteve

I just finished building a infinitely geared hub for my little knock-around recumbent. A Nu-Vinci N-360, thing weighs a metric ton!!!! Plus it’s got a huge diameter, and even doing a one-cross lacing on a 20 inch BMX wheel was a major chore. Still have to get around and strip everything off the bike, get a single speed crank and get it setup… it will be a days work for me.

RBS

I rode a bike with one of those. I think they’re great! It would be nice if they could get the weight down a bit. I was looking for a link to add it to my ‘where does it end??!?’ comment, but I had the name wrong.

327 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:01:30pm

re: #320 wrenchwench

I had to order a freehub body today so a customer could put 11 where she now has 9. Where does it end??!?

I predict 160mm hub spacing w/ asymmetric chain stays and rear wheels dished so heavily they look like beach umbrella frames.

re: #322 GeneJockey

All I can say is that anytime I’m going up certain local hills, my right hand keeps trying to find that next lower gear.

The lowest gear is generally already there. People are just filling in the jumps at the expense of chain, cassette and freehub body durability.

328 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:06:41pm

re: #327 goddamnedfrank

I predict 160mm hub spacing w/ asymmetric chain stays and rear wheels dished so heavily they look like beach umbrella frames.

With all the stability of that umbrella in a heavy wind.

The lowest gear is generally already there. People are just filling in the jumps at the expense of chain, cassette and freehub body durability.

Shimano recently come out with a 36 tooth low in the rear, then SRAM did a 42 tooth, but they’re pairing them up with single or double chainrings to get the same old range. I have seen the 36 with a triple crank. I haven’t seen the 42 at all.

329 De Kolta Chair  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:07:44pm

re: #325 RealityBasedSteve

I just finished building a infinitely geared hub for my little knock-around recumbent. A Nu-Vinci N-360, thing weighs a metric ton!!!! Plus it’s got a huge diameter, and even doing a one-cross lacing on a 20 inch BMX wheel was a major chore. Still have to get around and strip everything off the bike, get a single speed crank and get it setup… it will be a days work for me.

RBS

Speaking of heft, I just read a good book by David R, Slavitt, “George Sanders, Zsa Zsa, and Me” (terrible title), wherein he describes how Rolls Royce and Bentley owners needed chauffeurs, because the damned things were so huge and unwieldy that they needed to be controlled by professional Goliaths.

Is this true, or was the author just blowing it out his muffler?

330 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:11:53pm

re: #328 wrenchwench

With all the stability of that umbrella in a heavy wind.

Shimano recently come out with a 36 tooth low in the rear, then SRAM did a 42 tooth, but they’re pairing them up with single or double chainrings to get the same old range. I have seen the 36 with a triple crank. I haven’t seen the 42 at all.

Basically the problem is in the geometry. To extend range you need to make the rear derailleur arm longer, and there’s only so long you can make it before it’s scraping the ground.

331 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Mar 28, 2014 6:22:48pm

re: #328 wrenchwench

With all the stability of that umbrella in a heavy wind.

Shimano recently come out with a 36 tooth low in the rear, then SRAM did a 42 tooth, but they’re pairing them up with single or double chainrings to get the same old range. I have seen the 36 with a triple crank. I haven’t seen the 42 at all.

I’ve got my Long Wheelbased Recumbent set up with that 36 rear. (‘bent suffer climbing, since you can’t get up and stand, so I have to gear low and spin). I had to run the B-screw pretty much all the way in, I may have even had to get a longer one to get the angle. Got some jumps in it, but mainly up at the very low end, and there are some double shifts that help fill in the gaps.

RBS


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