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HypnoToad Sat, Mar 29, 2014 2:38:49pm |
Nice aftershock here in LaVerne, Ca. a few minutes ago. Guessing around a 4.5
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wrenchwench Sat, Mar 29, 2014 2:49:14pm |
re: #1 HypnoToad
Nice aftershock here in LaVerne, Ca. a few minutes ago. Guessing around a 4.5
Good guess.
#Breaking: 4.5 aftershock hits La Habra… One mile from Rowland Heights. More at @NBCLA— Mekahlo Medina (@MekahloNBCLA) March 29, 2014
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Justanotherhuman Sat, Mar 29, 2014 2:55:29pm |
re: #1 HypnoToad
Nice aftershock here in LaVerne, Ca. a few minutes ago. Guessing around a 4.5
Downgraded to a 4.1. Stay safe!
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HypnoToad Sat, Mar 29, 2014 2:55:44pm |
re: #2 wrenchwench
The S and P wave separation was the same as last night’s 5.1 quake so I assumed an aftershock. I just estimated the ratio compared with the first one (which knocked several items off my shelves). Both of these had an unusually long duration for their magnitude, both about 15 seconds.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 29, 2014 3:04:42pm |
Not feeling these aftershocks where I am.
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Political Atheist Sat, Mar 29, 2014 3:05:11pm |
re: #1 HypnoToad
Nice aftershock here in LaVerne, Ca. a few minutes ago. Guessing around a 4.5
Felt that here in Toluca Lake. Especially being upstairs this time.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 29, 2014 3:05:40pm |
Always fun when you're logged in via SSH, and start seeing syslogd messges that a Chinese IP address is trying to hack into the site.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) March 29, 2014
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Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 29, 2014 3:08:54pm |
And of course, @baggs_maple retweeted that.
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Justanotherhuman Sat, Mar 29, 2014 3:11:12pm |
It’s likely this fault line, Puente Hills Blind Thrust Fault, only discovered in 1999.
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HypnoToad Sat, Mar 29, 2014 3:11:27pm |
re: #6 Charles Johnson
Due to the orientation of the thrust fault, most of the energy from these is propagating towards the North East. Friends of mine to the North West (Toluca Lake) and South East (Orange) of the epicenters only felt mild shaking. My major casualty was my stone god statuette from Tihuanaco, Bolivia, it broke through the middle.
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Political Atheist Sat, Mar 29, 2014 3:14:22pm |
re: #11 HypnoToad
My major casualty was my stone god statuette from Tihuanaco, Bolivia, it broke through the middle.
Uh oh. What now? Eclipse?
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Justanotherhuman Sat, Mar 29, 2014 3:15:06pm |
re: #11 HypnoToad
Due to the orientation of the thrust fault, most of the energy from these is propagating towards the North East. Friends of mine to the North West (Toluca Lake) and South East (Orange) of the epicenters only felt mild shaking. My major casualty was my stone god statuette from Tihuanaco, Bolivia, it broke through the middle.
If I were superstitious, I’d be saying, Thou shalt have no other gods before me, or something like that. ; )
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HypnoToad Sat, Mar 29, 2014 3:24:29pm |
re: #12 Political Atheist
Already happened as you maybe guessed. Total solar of Nov. 2, 1994
Saw it from Sevaruyo, Bolivia which is about as far out in the middle of nowhere as you can get.
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Amory Blaine Sat, Mar 29, 2014 3:24:31pm |
Walker is talking in generalities about foreign policy. Clearly not in comfort zone. Now onto wheelhouse: Unions. And…Reagan. Drink!
— Jon Ralston (@RalstonReports) March 29, 2014
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Lidane Sat, Mar 29, 2014 3:25:05pm |
Perspective:
Pro-fracking guest: appearing on “The Daily Show” felt like “three hours of waterboarding” http://t.co/gI4MR8WWY1— HuffPost Politics (@HuffPostPol) March 29, 2014
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wrenchwench Sat, Mar 29, 2014 3:31:04pm |
Here, have a seismologist.
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Targetpractice Sat, Mar 29, 2014 3:36:42pm |
re: #15 Amory Blaine
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I really do wonder who it is that the GOP is gonna end up nominating for ‘16. Because from where I sit, nobody on the bench has a chance in the general election.
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Political Atheist Sat, Mar 29, 2014 3:37:56pm |
re: #14 HypnoToad
Already happened as you maybe guessed. Total solar of Nov. 2, 1994
Saw it from Sevaruyo, Bolivia which is about as far out in the middle of nowhere as you can get.
Well I was kinda riffing on a couple bad Mayan/Aztec horror flicks. But yeah that’s a pretty cool thing to go see.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 29, 2014 3:49:57pm |
George Carlin - Language complaints at American Press Club
Liveleak Video
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Justanotherhuman Sat, Mar 29, 2014 3:53:13pm |
Iran Names 1979 U.S. Embassy Hostage-Taker Its UN Envoy
“The Iranian government has applied for a U.S. visa for Hamid Aboutalebi, Iran’s former ambassador to Belgium and Italy, who was a member of the Muslim Students Following the Imam’s Line, a group of radical students that seized the U.S. embassy on Nov. 4, 1979. Imam was an honorific used for Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the leader of the Islamic Revolution.
“Relations between the Islamic Republic and the U.S. and its allies are beginning to emerge from the deep freeze that began when the self-proclaimed Iranian students overrun the embassy and took the hostages. The State Department hasn’t responded to the visa application, according to an Iranian diplomat.
“A controversy over Aboutalebi’s appointment could spark demands on Capitol Hill and beyond during this congressional election year for the Obama administration to take the unusual step of denying a visa to an official posted to the UN. It also could hamper progress toward a comprehensive agreement to curb Iran’s nuclear program, which the U.S. and five other world powers are seeking to negotiate with Iran by July 20”
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Decatur Deb Sat, Mar 29, 2014 3:53:17pm |
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Stanley Sea Sat, Mar 29, 2014 3:54:56pm |
re: #26 Decatur Deb
You rang?? (Just walked in from the yard.)
Awesome. Do you have an ACA contact/liaison for someone in South Carolina?
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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 29, 2014 3:56:09pm |
re: #25 Justanotherhuman
I wonder if he’ll get his visa.
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Lidane Sat, Mar 29, 2014 3:56:10pm |
re: #18 Amory Blaine
So he kills early voting but gets on his knees for lobbyist money.
Someone tell me again how the GOP love voting rights.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Mar 29, 2014 3:57:15pm |
re: #27 Stanley Sea
Awesome. Do you have an ACA contact/liaison for someone in South Carolina?
Guessing that’s a non-state plan. Digging for a navigator org…
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Rev_Arthur_Belling Sat, Mar 29, 2014 3:57:50pm |
re: #25 Justanotherhuman
That’s a huge slap in the face, right there.
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Justanotherhuman Sat, Mar 29, 2014 3:58:47pm |
re: #32 Rev_Arthur_Belling
That’s a huge slap in the face, right there.
That was my first reaction.
Iran knows exactly what it’s doing.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Mar 29, 2014 3:59:38pm |
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Stanley Sea Sat, Mar 29, 2014 3:59:43pm |
re: #31 Decatur Deb
Guessing that’s a non-state plan. Digging for a navigator org…
Yep. No opt in GOP gov. To the detriment of her constituents. Oh this is my Fox News watching parents. Lol.
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Sat, Mar 29, 2014 3:59:46pm |
re: #33 Justanotherhuman
That was my first reaction.
Iran knows exactly what it’s doing.
Seems actually like an attempt to sabotage the stuff Obama set up, by Iran forcing the US congress to chew the carpet and get all foamy around the mouth.
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Stanley Sea Sat, Mar 29, 2014 4:00:04pm |
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Justanotherhuman Sat, Mar 29, 2014 4:00:53pm |
re: #36 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut
Seems actually like an attempt to sabotage the stuff Obama set up, by Iran forcing the US congress to chew the carpet and get all foamy around the mouth.
I see it as fucking childish.
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Sat, Mar 29, 2014 4:03:08pm |
re: #38 Justanotherhuman
I see it as fucking childish.
If Iran wants to sabotage the negotiations while making the US the ones who officially blew them out of the water by enacting new sanctions (a likely response to this move) it may be dicktastic and shitty but it’s not childish. Beyond that, even if they’re just doing it to slap at the US, slapping at the US gives them a domestic policy boost, so there’s rationale behind it there, too.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Mar 29, 2014 4:03:36pm |
re: #35 Stanley Sea
Yep. No opt in GOP gov. To the detriment of her constituents. Oh this is my Fox News watching parents. Lol.
The AL guidance is that anyone who gets enrolled (makes userid and password) is holding a “place in line”, and will not be turned away because of machine problems or overwhelmed system delays. If your computer and healthcare.gov works with you, creating the id only takes a few minutes.
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Kragar Sat, Mar 29, 2014 4:08:24pm |
So true. pic.twitter.com/tI3sdFhhm5— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) March 29, 2014
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palomino Sat, Mar 29, 2014 4:08:27pm |
re: #23 Killgore Trout
George Carlin - Language complaints at American Press Club
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Actually a very funny video. Carlin usually is. Seems a tiny bit dated on terminology because it’s from 1997, but that just shows how language (even ours) is in a constant process of evolution.
Anyway, I think your link to it might be broken.
Funny thing is, Colbert and Carlin have a lot in common, not only in their focus on humorous social satire. But also in their comic conceits, and love of word play. Truly two of the most literate social satirists of the last couple generations.
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Lidane Sat, Mar 29, 2014 4:11:38pm |
LMAO! RT @chucktodd: Meaty health care discussion planned with @CitizenCohn and @Avik How do you define success or failure.. @meetthepress— José-y (@60th_Street) March 29, 2014
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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 29, 2014 4:12:37pm |
A few more hints at the Russian proposal for Ukraine
Resolution to Ukrainian crisis taking shape, Russia says
Lavrov said Moscow’s priority was to see Ukraine implement reform that would create a federalised structure with every region having a degree of autonomy.
The West was showing openness to the idea of a federalised Ukraine, he said. “They are listening. I can say that a federation [for Ukraine] is far from being a forbidden word in our talks.”
He said he expected the West to make this point clear to the strongly pro-European Union new Ukrainian government.
He said the new Ukrainian constitution should also make clear explicitly that the country was a neutral state - ruling out any future membership of Nato.
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palomino Sat, Mar 29, 2014 4:14:34pm |
re: #30 Lidane
So he kills early voting but gets on his knees for lobbyist money.
Someone tell me again how the GOP love voting rights.
They don’t. In almost all cases, lower turnout helps the GOP. But this cynical plan backfired on them in 2012, when it became apparent that the gop was trying to suppress minority votes in swing states.
Very few things can motivate people to go to the polls like politicians targeting their race/ethnicity and then trying to suppress that vote.
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wrenchwench Sat, Mar 29, 2014 4:17:13pm |
A Soundcloud with an illustration! Nice little tune, too.
That picture has a soundtrack, BTW: https://t.co/kSoYC0SQ6o Original tune by me. Take a listen!— Crommunist (@Crommunist) March 29, 2014
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Justanotherhuman Sat, Mar 29, 2014 4:18:56pm |
re: #44 Killgore Trout
A few more hints at the Russian proposal for Ukraine
Resolution to Ukrainian crisis taking shape, Russia says
You believe Lavrov? Bwahahahahaha!
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Lidane Sat, Mar 29, 2014 4:19:47pm |
re: #45 palomino
They don’t. In almost all cases, lower turnout helps the GOP. But this cynical plan backfired on them in 2012, when it became apparent that the gop was trying to suppress minority votes in swing states.
Very few things can motivate people to go to the polls like politicians targeting their race/ethnicity and then trying to suppress that vote.
Killing early voting targets EVERYONE though. You’d think that politicians on both sides would have sense enough to know that. I know it will be a shock to the GOP, but not everyone who votes for them is a billionaire venture capitalist that sets their own hours. Night and weekend early voting is important even for people with an (R) after their name.
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EPR-radar Sat, Mar 29, 2014 4:20:20pm |
re: #44 Killgore Trout
It’s not much of a surprise that Russia wants a fatally weakened Ukraine ripe for further annexations and with a guarantee of no NATO involvement.
It remains to be seen if the US and Europe (especially Europe) are stupid enough to go along with this.
If I were a EU/US negotiator, my starting point for negotiations would be that if the Crimea is to remain in Russia’s hands, then the rest of the Ukraine immediately falls under NATO mutual defense provisions.
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palomino Sat, Mar 29, 2014 4:21:07pm |
re: #33 Justanotherhuman
That was my first reaction.
Iran knows exactly what it’s doing.
Do they really? If the Iranians pull more of this shit, the interim accord may be over in a few months, with no chance of extension. At which point, diplomacy will have failed (something even Obama and Kerry said was a 50-50 chance) to the extent that Israel and/or the US may lose their reticence to bomb. And at least further sanctions would be forthcoming. All of which would put Iran in a worse position than they were a year ago.
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Lidane Sat, Mar 29, 2014 4:21:21pm |
hi hi hi pic.twitter.com/o4Vi6i2Svr— Cute Emergency (@CuteEmergency) March 29, 2014
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palomino Sat, Mar 29, 2014 4:26:56pm |
re: #49 Lidane
Killing early voting targets EVERYONE though. You’d think that politicians on both sides would have sense enough to know that. I know it will be a shock to the GOP, but not everyone who votes for them is a billionaire venture capitalist that sets their own hours. Night and weekend early voting is important even for people with an (R) after their name.
True, but they’ve convinced themselves (based on at least some data) that the negative impact will be greater on blacks and Hispanics than on whites. They know the numbers don’t favor them going forward. The overwhelmingly white pre-baby boom and baby boom generations are beginning to die off. The subsequent Gen X, Gen Y, Millenials, whatever, are more racially/ethnically/sexually/religiously diverse. So the GOP will use whatever tricks they can to unbalance the playing field for the time being.
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Justanotherhuman Sat, Mar 29, 2014 4:28:52pm |
re: #51 palomino
Do they really? If the Iranians pull more of this shit, the interim accord may be over in a few months, with no chance of extension. At which point, diplomacy will have failed (something even Obama and Kerry said was a 50-50 chance) to the extent that Israel and/or the US may lose their reticence to bomb. And at least further sanctions would be forthcoming. All of which would put Iran in a worse position than they were a year ago.
Well, I’m not for bombing them, but plenty of sanctions might teach them to stop thumbing their noses at the west. Russia will be ill-equipped to help them as well.
They want to send a hard-core follower of Ayatollah Khomeini involved in the kidnapping of US citizens and the West is just supposed to accept that?
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Sat, Mar 29, 2014 4:32:10pm |
re: #55 Justanotherhuman
Well, I’m not for bombing them, but plenty of sanctions might teach them to stop thumbing their noses at the west.
They might actually want sanctions right now, in order to prop up their regime, in the same way that Russia is accepting the huge amount of money it’s losing and the sanctions against them, I think.
The premise that sanctions destabilize control in a place like Iran is pretty contentious, too.
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Ming Sat, Mar 29, 2014 4:34:45pm |
re: #44 Killgore Trout
…He said the new Ukrainian constitution should also make clear explicitly that the country was a neutral state - ruling out any future membership of Nato.
re: #50 EPR-radar
…If I were a EU/US negotiator, my starting point for negotiations would be that if the Crimea is to remain in Russia’s hands, then the rest of the Ukraine immediately falls under NATO mutual defense provisions.
The entire sentiment that drove the Maidan protests, for which Ukrainians risked (and sometimes lost) life and limb and suffered greatly, was to break free of Russia. The ostensible cause was to sign an energy agreement with the EU as opposed to Russia.
Of course, no one expects that Ukraine will get Crimea back anytime soon, and that all of Ukraine will be become a happy member of NATO. But it’s way too early to for the West to concede that Ukraine will never become a member of NATO. That’s telling Ukraine: “You will never be free.”
Also, it’s way too early to concede that Crimea now belongs to Russia. (That said, I can see something like a 99-year lease for the Sevastopol military base. Kind of like the way we have Guantanamo in Cuba. Sevastopol is a special situation.)
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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 29, 2014 4:36:29pm |
re: #55 Justanotherhuman
Well, I’m not for bombing them, but plenty of sanctions might teach them to stop thumbing their noses at the west. Russia will be ill-equipped to help them as well.
They want to send a hard-core follower of Ayatollah Khomeini involved in the kidnapping of US citizens and the West is just supposed to accept that?
The Iranians have already made an agreement to swap oil for new nuclear plants so sanctions aren’t going to bother them too much. Unfortunately a lot of countries were getting impatient with sanctions and I doubt we’re going to see them reinstated.
I don’t think Iran is interested in a long term nuclear agreement with the west and they’ll do as much political damage to Obama as they can.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 29, 2014 4:38:39pm |
re: #57 Ming
The entire sentiment that drove the Maidan protests, for which Ukrainians risked (and sometimes lost) life and limb and suffered greatly, was to break free of Russia. The ostensible cause was to sign an energy agreement with the EU as opposed to Russia.
Of course, no one expects that Ukraine will get Crimea back anytime soon, and that all of Ukraine will be become a happy member of NATO. But it’s >way too early to for the West to concede that Ukraine will never become a member of NATO. That’s telling Ukraine: “You will never be free.”
I think the unified Ukraine concept isn’t going to last much longer. My guess is the Russians are pushing for semi-autonomous regions so they can hold more referendums and annex more territory.
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Bubblehead II Sat, Mar 29, 2014 4:40:09pm |
Afternoon Lizards. We have a second egg now.
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palomino Sat, Mar 29, 2014 4:43:05pm |
re: #58 Killgore Trout
The Iranians have already made an agreement to swap oil for new nuclear plants so sanctions aren’t going to bother them too much. Unfortunately a lot of countries were getting impatient with sanctions and I doubt we’re going to see them reinstated.
I don’t think Iran is interested in a long term nuclear agreement with the west and they’ll do as much political damage to Obama as they can.
The Iranian goal isn’t to do political damage to Obama. They couldn’t care less about Obama’s poll ratings or other shit like that. Chances are they’ll be dealing with someone more hawkish (Clinton or any Republican not named Paul) once Obama’s term is over.
What I would guess they care a lot more about is a US Congress determined to punish them with even greater sanctions. Their economy has been hit quite hard by sanctions over the last decade. Other western nations generally don’t want a nuclear Iran, so aren’t that inclined to lift sanctions.
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palomino Sat, Mar 29, 2014 4:45:00pm |
re: #59 Killgore Trout
I think the unified Ukraine concept isn’t going to last much longer. My guess is the Russians are pushing for semi-autonomous regions so they can hold more referendums and annex more territory.
Sounds quite plausible. Do you think we should do something to prevent that? If so, what?
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Ming Sat, Mar 29, 2014 4:46:34pm |
re: #59 Killgore Trout
I think the unified Ukraine concept isn’t going to last much longer. My guess is the Russians are pushing for semi-autonomous regions so they can hold more referendums and annex more territory.
I believe you’re correct. This would be a very disturbing precedent. I can’t even think of another actual annexation. I don’t count Israel and the occupied territories, because Israel hasn’t had a good-faith negotiating partner since, well, I was going to say 1967, but I should say 1947, i.e. forever.
If there’s another example of outright annexation, I’m confident others at LGF will think of it. I’m drawing a blank at the moment. All I can say is, my mind is boggled at the thought of this annexation in the heart of Europe in 2014. Pretty high up there in the “slippery slope” category!
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Usually refered to as anyways Sat, Mar 29, 2014 4:49:50pm |
re: #60 Bubblehead II
Afternoon Lizards. We have a second egg now.
The falcon has landed, repeat the falcon has landed.
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Rev_Arthur_Belling Sat, Mar 29, 2014 4:49:56pm |
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Decatur Deb Sat, Mar 29, 2014 4:52:46pm |
re: #52 Lidane
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Samis are the greatest dogs. This Internet grab has always seemed one of the greatest pet portraits—each of the 8 Samis is showing a different personality.
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Targetpractice Sat, Mar 29, 2014 4:52:56pm |
re: #57 Ming
The entire sentiment that drove the Maidan protests, for which Ukrainians risked (and sometimes lost) life and limb and suffered greatly, was to break free of Russia. The ostensible cause was to sign an energy agreement with the EU as opposed to Russia.
Of course, no one expects that Ukraine will get Crimea back anytime soon, and that all of Ukraine will be become a happy member of NATO. But it’s >way too early to for the West to concede that Ukraine will never become a member of NATO. That’s telling Ukraine: “You will never be free.”
Also, it’s way too early to concede that Crimea now belongs to Russia. (That said, I can see something like a 99-year lease for the Sevastopol military base. Kind of like the way we have Guantanamo in Cuba. Sevastopol is a special situation.)
The West agreeing to federalize Ukraine and thus open the way for more “secession” votes, more “annexations,” would pretty much be the shattering of all the faith those protestors had in their cause. Really, any negotiations that begin with Ukraine setting itself up to be easier to carve up by Russia should be a non-starter. Thing is, while I’m sure the President would not be willing to entertain such a proposal, I don’t put it past the EU, particularly Germany, to happily sign on the dotted line if Putin throws in some sweetheart trade deals and natural gas discounts.
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Ming Sat, Mar 29, 2014 4:55:27pm |
re: #65 Rev_Arthur_Belling
The Sudetenland?
I just Googled that, and that indeed looks like an annexation.
This makes me want to make a point about World War II. and its aftermath. (Nothing in the slightest to disagree with you about the Sudetenland.) Sometimes, people forget how traumatic things were right after the war, i.e. in the late 1940’s. Pakistan split off from India. Many Jews, desperate to flee persecution even after the war, headed for Palestine.
My point is, the time period around and during World War II. was exceptional! What scares me now, in 2014, is trying to think of another annexation example, during “non-exceptional” times. Well, I guess North Vietnam swallowed South Vietnam. There may well be other examples. Still, as a precedent, as a slippery slope, what Russia did in Crimea really concerns me.
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Ming Sat, Mar 29, 2014 4:56:13pm |
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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 29, 2014 4:56:25pm |
re: #62 palomino
Sounds quite plausible. Do you think we should do something to prevent that? If so, what?
Sadly I don’t think there’s much that can be done. Putin wants to expand a hell of a lot more than we want to stop him. Military deterrent isn’t an option and honestly I don’t know how far Putin can push before we consider it an option. With the recession over everybody wants to get back to commerce so serious sanctions are going to be very difficult. It’ll be a long time before Europe is going to be self sufficient for energy and Russian gas is important to their economy.
Putin knows there’s not much we’ll do and that’s why he’s moving now. I just hope he correctly estimates how much he can push before we get serious.
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Sat, Mar 29, 2014 4:58:21pm |
re: #70 Killgore Trout
The question was what we should do, not what you think can be done. See, the way you phrase it seems to have an implicit criticism of not being ‘serious’, and yet you never even define what ‘serious’ would be, and you never actually say what you’d like to have happen.
It provides you with the perfect platform to be contrarian in a meaningless way, but it’s kind of transparent when you consistently dodge the question of what you’d actually like to see happen.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Mar 29, 2014 4:59:46pm |
re: #68 Ming
I just Googled that, and that indeed looks like an annexation.
This makes me want to make a point about World War II. and its aftermath. (Nothing in the slightest to disagree with you about the Sudetenland.) Sometimes, people forget how traumatic things were right after the war, i.e. in the late 1940’s. Pakistan split off from India. Many Jews, desperate to flee persecution even after the war, headed for Palestine.
My point is, the time period around and during World War II. was exceptional! What scares me now, in 2014, is trying to think of another annexation example, during “non-exceptional” times. Well, I guess North Vietnam swallowed South Vietnam. There may well be other examples. Still, as a precedent, as a slippery slope, what Russia did in Crimea really concerns me.
WWI ended with a slew of annexations. Italy got the Sud-Tyrol and Trieste. There is still an active movement trying to pry the area around Bolzano loose so it can rejoin Austria. They go about spray-painting roadsigns to ‘de-Italianize’ them.
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bratwurst Sat, Mar 29, 2014 5:02:12pm |
“No longer to be feared”, New York Times article about Adolf Hitler's release from prison, on this day in 1924. pic.twitter.com/MTbzTR1uUX— Historical Pics (@HistoricalPics) March 30, 2014
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Sat, Mar 29, 2014 5:02:13pm |
re: #72 Decatur Deb
WWI ended with a slew of annexations. Italy got the Sud-Tyrol and Trieste. There is still an active movement trying to pry the area around Bolzano loose so it can rejoin Austria. They go about spray-painting roadsigns to ‘de-Italianize’ them.
Since WWII, aside from Nigeria getting Biafra back after they split, I think there’s just São João Baptista de Ajudá, which is tiny and inconsequential.
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Ming Sat, Mar 29, 2014 5:02:15pm |
re: #72 Decatur Deb
WWI ended with a slew of annexations. Italy got the Sud-Tyrol and Trieste. There is still an active movement trying to pry the area around Bolzano loose so it can rejoin Austria. They go about spray-painting roadsigns to ‘de-Italianize’ them.
I guess the Kuril Islands are another example… but not one to make us feel any better about Russia!
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Decatur Deb Sat, Mar 29, 2014 5:06:31pm |
re: #74 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut
Since WWII, aside from Nigeria getting Biafra back after they split, I think there’s just São João Baptista de Ajudá, which is tiny and inconsequential.
There was significant blood shed over the Malvinas, but it ended in ‘status quo’. Has Israel actually annexed any land since 1948?
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Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 29, 2014 5:06:44pm |
15 Things You Didn’t Know Your iPhone Could Do http://t.co/ee7RMpcKQZ // I knew 14 of them. (Airplane mode charging trick was a new one)— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) March 30, 2014
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Justanotherhuman Sat, Mar 29, 2014 5:07:21pm |
re: #73 bratwurst
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What an awful underestimation. But it was the Jazz Age, people were making money hand over fist, or starting to since the Rentenmark was issued, ending hyperinflation, and nobody gave a damn about his short little ass.
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Sat, Mar 29, 2014 5:07:33pm |
One of the reasons there hasn’t really been annexation since WWII is it’s a lot easier to just prop up your proxy dude in the state—that’s what the US and the USSR mostly did during the Cold War. Russia’s direct annexation gets them all of Crimea’s problems to deal with, whereas if you just have some banana republic dude doing what you say in the few areas you give a shit about you don’t have to deal with the internal problems of the place.
When the USSR rolled into Hungary, it didn’t annex them.
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Feline Fearless Leader Sat, Mar 29, 2014 5:08:45pm |
re: #67 Targetpractice
The West agreeing to federalize Ukraine and thus open the way for more “secession” votes, more “annexations,” would pretty much be the shattering of all the faith those protestors had in their cause. Really, any negotiations that begin with Ukraine setting itself up to be easier to carve up by Russia should be a non-starter. Thing is, while I’m sure the President would not be willing to entertain such a proposal, I don’t put it past the EU, particularly Germany, to happily sign on the dotted line if Putin throws in some sweetheart trade deals and natural gas discounts.
Well there is a long historical precedent of Russia and Germany/Prussia cutting deals regarding the division of the territory between their respective home regions.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 29, 2014 5:11:49pm |
lolwut RT @PaulBrounforGA: I’m a tested and consistent freedom fighter. I stand alone among all the candidates in that regard. #gagopdebate— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) March 30, 2014
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Decatur Deb Sat, Mar 29, 2014 5:11:56pm |
re: #79 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut
I guess the annexation of Alaska and Hawaii was completed in 1958.
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palomino Sat, Mar 29, 2014 5:15:37pm |
re: #73 bratwurst
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I “love” the use of the word “tamed.” As if a short term behind bars would likely change a man who the NYT referred to as “the demi-god of reactionary extremists.”
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Justanotherhuman Sat, Mar 29, 2014 5:15:47pm |
re: #82 Decatur Deb
I guess the annexation of Alaska and Hawaii was completed in 1958.
And the natives didn’t have any say-so in any of it in either place.
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Bear Sat, Mar 29, 2014 5:16:08pm |
re: #52 Lidane
Question - are they sled dogs? Don’t believe I have ever seen one in a race team.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Mar 29, 2014 5:19:05pm |
re: #84 Justanotherhuman
And the natives didn’t have any say-so in any of it in either place.
And both still have independence movements.
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Ming Sat, Mar 29, 2014 5:24:28pm |
re: #86 Decatur Deb
And both [Alaska and Hawaii] still have independence movements…
Ah yes. I can’t resist mentioning that Todd Palin used to belong to the Alaska Independence Party. Thank you, John McCain.
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