A Great Video From Bill Moyers on GOP Politicians Who Deny Climate Change and Evolution

Featuring Georgia’s Paul “Evolution is a Lie from the Pit of Hell” Broun
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Bill Moyers takes on radical-right Republicans for denying the science behind evolution and climate change, showing a video clip of Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA), chairman of oversight and investigations for the Science, Space and Technology Committee of the US House of Representatives, who says evolution is a lie “straight from the pit of hell” and climate change, a hoax.

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1 b_sharp  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 5:24:10pm

I think a lot of rich RWers believe their money will protect them from the CC fallout so it isn’t important to take measures to mitigate it. The accumulation of wealth, to them, is a valid way of dealing with the change.

2 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 5:26:01pm
3 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 5:26:22pm

PAUL BROUN, FREEDOM FIGHTER

4 b_sharp  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 5:28:53pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

PAUL BROUN, FREEDOM FIGHTER

Save the dead deer heads.

5 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 5:29:55pm

much needed frivolity and mirth:

Tortoises in Costumes Are the Best Thing Since Sliced Bread

6 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 5:32:20pm

re: #4 b_sharp

Save the dead deer heads.

I picture all those deer heads saying, ‘Lolwut?’ as Broun is talking.

7 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 5:33:16pm

and more:
1. Betty White is older than sliced bread.

8 freetoken  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 5:33:29pm

So, why don’t the more sane politicians speak openly about their delusional colleagues, specifically outlining why certain beliefs are either outdated and sometimes dangerous?

When he was a candidate, Obama accurately stated that parts of this nation are clinging to their guns and Bibles. That is a good point. One which ought not to have to be cloaked.

Moyer mentions addicts. At some point the best approach is to be as blunt as possible with the addict.

9 b_sharp  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 5:33:39pm

re: #6 wrenchwench

I picture all those deer heads saying, ‘Lolwut?’ as Broun is talking.

That’s pretty much what they were saying.

Or perhaps more like ‘Asshole says what?’

10 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 5:35:12pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

PAUL BROUN, FREEDOM FIGHTER

Someone needs to Photoshop Broun’s head on a Che Guevara shirt.

11 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 5:36:59pm

Unfortunately, I think a lot of people are convinced nothing can be done about climate change. They think their own death will pre-date any serious change or are convinced they will somehow be able to go John Galt and be among the privileged few who survive intact.

It is still such an abstract concept to others that it just doesn’t appear on their mental radar of reality.

I think the John Galters are simply doing everything they can to profit off the chaos.

Personally, I think we should focus on what it will be like to live without reliable electricity or fresh water. I’d like to see more movies about that kind of subject —I’ve read a couple dystopian Sci-fi novels which have made the ideas a little clearer for me.

12 freetoken  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 5:37:20pm

re: #7 FemNaziBitch

and more:
1. Betty White is older than sliced bread.

Two of President John Tyler’s grandsons are still alive.

My mother’s grandfather was a teenager by the time Tyler left office.

13 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 5:38:19pm

Wow. This is very bad.

14 freetoken  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 5:40:28pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

Those links seem to have gone bad.

15 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 5:41:01pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

that link doesn’t work in that tweet.

Here’s the correct one:
googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.com

16 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 5:42:49pm

Odd - worked when I first clicked it.

17 freetoken  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 5:44:34pm

re: #11 FemNaziBitch

That link of yours about history and timescales - this is why evolution and climate change are so difficult to grasp viscerally. Since both work on time scales well beyond a single person’s own concerns or experiences, both evolution and climate change need to be studied abstractly, so to speak, outside of personal experience.

It’s a tough uphill battle.

18 freetoken  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 5:46:33pm
But imagine if someone had changed out your phone book with another one, which looks pretty much the same as before, except that the listings for a few people showed the wrong phone number. That’s essentially what’s happened: Turkish ISPs have set up servers that masquerade as Google’s DNS service.

Scary images of a totalitarian future, where all one can find is what someone else wants you to.

19 Stephen T.  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 5:46:57pm

re: #11 FemNaziBitch

Unfortunately, I think a lot of people are convinced nothing can be done about climate change.

Here is how some see it:

Climate Change Real; Climate Change Not real.
And:
Do Something; Do Nothing.

If it is real, and we do nothing, we’ll suffer environmental disasters. If it is not real and we do nothing, the world will go on as it is.

If it is not real and we do something, we’ll spend a lot of money fixing something that isn’t wrong. If it is real and we do something, we’ll spend a lot of money fixing something which may or may not succeed.

Some believe that the kinds of environmental disasters we would face are better than the economic impact we would suffer if we did anything to change global warming. We can rebuild after hurricanes and tornadoes, but we cannot restart the economy. In their eyes it is better to Do Nothing and spend nothing when it comes to Global Warming, because the outcome from “wrong spending” is worse than catastrophic climactic disaster.

I don’t subscribe to this at all, but I do understand it.

20 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 5:54:27pm

re: #8 freetoken

So, why don’t the more sane politicians speak openly about their delusional colleagues, specifically outlining why certain beliefs are either outdated and sometimes dangerous?

Because some of their constituents would not vote to reelect them if they did. Or that’s what they fear.

When he was a candidate, Obama accurately stated that parts of this nation are clinging to their guns and Bibles. That is a good point. One which ought not to have to be cloaked.

In reality, when you critically say somebody is ‘clinging’ to something, you’re implying they should give it up, and that’s going to meet resistance. Maybe there’s another way to say people must move forward. A way that doesn’t scare them so much as telling them they need to let go of something.

Moyer mentions addicts. At some point the best approach is to be as blunt as possible with the addict.

Bluntness often does not have the desired effect. It’s worth a try, but be prepared to commence with Plan B: working around the addict.

21 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 5:55:13pm

re: #17 freetoken

That link of yours about history and timescales - this is why evolution and climate change are so difficult to grasp viscerally. Since both work on time scales well beyond a single person’s own concerns or experiences, both evolution and climate change need to be studied abstractly, so to speak, outside of personal experience.

It’s a tough uphill battle.

That’s one of the arguments against evolution by the Ken Ham camp (Answers in Genesis). While he was “debating” Bill Nye, Ham repeatedly brought up the question, “Were you there? Did you see it happen?” or something like it.Ham’s shtick about “observational science” gets right down to this personal experience idea, which I might add is a feature of most Pentecostal thought — personal experiences with God/Jesus, or “your personal saviour” as being the sine qua non of your faith. Getting such people to think “outside the box,” as it were, is almost impossible, because their entire psychology is based on “personal experience” or the perception that they have had one. Nye tried to turn the tables on Ham by asking if Ham were there during Noah building the Ark, but failed to penetrate through Ham’s wall of denial. Of course, Ham wasn’t there but he believes the Bible came straight from God himself — a true and accurate account of history as seen by its Creator — because (and I am assuming here) Ham has had a “personal experience” in which he connected with God/Jesus and learned the Truth.

That clip that Moyers found of Broun preaching to the choir is a good example of what I mean.

22 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 6:01:20pm
23 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 6:04:11pm
24 freetoken  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 6:04:34pm

re: #21 wheat-dogghazi

Ham’s shtick about “observational science” gets right down to this personal experience idea, …

It’s a type of infantilism, and I don’t mean that just as a put-down.

Babies only know their immediate needs. Children only know their very limited set of experiences.

As we get older hopefully we come to understand that the world is bigger than us and that we are not the determiners of reality.

This whole “were you there?” approach is based on, as you point out, personal experience being the determiner of reality.

The huge internal conflict between “were your there?” and the “the Bible says so thus it’s true” being preached simultaneously by the same person is about as cognitive dissonant as one can get.

25 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 6:06:16pm

I guess all that swirly is in the metal.

kinda cool looking.

26 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 6:06:49pm

Later, lizards.

27 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 6:06:58pm

re: #24 freetoken

It’s a type of infantilism, and I don’t mean that just as a put-down.

Babies only know their immediate needs. Children only know their very limited set of experiences.

As we get older hopefully we come to understand that the world is bigger than us and that we are not the determiners of reality.

This whole “were you there?” approach is based on, as you point out, personal experience being the determiner of reality.

The huge internal conflict between “were your there?” and the “the Bible says so thus it’s true” being preached simultaneously by the same person is about as cognitive dissonant as one can get.

The point, I’ve decided, is to confuse people to the point that you can control them.

28 Ming  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 6:07:54pm

re: #26 wrenchwench

Party in the kitchen!

29 Skip Intro  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 6:08:45pm

re: #8 freetoken

So, why don’t the more sane politicians speak openly about their delusional colleagues, specifically outlining why certain beliefs are either outdated and sometimes dangerous?

When he was a candidate, Obama accurately stated that parts of this nation are clinging to their guns and Bibles. That is a good point. One which ought not to have to be cloaked.

Remember the shit he got (and still gets) for that? People want to hear they live in the greatest country ever, and they’re the greatest people who have ever walked the earth.

30 Bear  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 6:10:02pm

Any one else seeing several of the pictures only showing an upper part? CJ’s plane only showed part of one wing on my puter.

31 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 6:11:48pm

I’m usually pretty stoic about stuff, but I’m not sure I could do this.

32 bratwurst  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 6:12:46pm

Uh oh…two prospective GOP presidential sugar babies may have displeased sugar daddy Sheldon Adelson! First:

Then, in the Politico link above we learn Adelson skipped Scott Walker’s speech entirely! I guess he will have to make due with his rich uncles Charles and David.

33 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 6:13:04pm

re: #30 Bear

Any one else seeing several of the pictures only showing an upper part? CJ’s plane only showed part of one wing on my puter.

Firefox has apparently just developed this bug.

34 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 6:13:47pm

I wanna goat.

35 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 6:13:47pm

re: #30 Bear

Any one else seeing several of the pictures only showing an upper part? CJ’s plane only showed part of one wing on my puter.

If you refresh the page they’ll appear correctly.

36 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 6:15:13pm
37 Skip Intro  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 6:16:48pm

re: #32 bratwurst

Uh oh…two prospective GOP presidential sugar babies may have displeased sugar daddy Sheldon Adelson! First:

[Embedded content]

Then, in the Politico link above we learn Adelson skipped Scott Walker’s speech entirely! I guess he will have to make due with his rich uncles Charles and David.

He should have invited Newt. Newt would crawl ton his belly hrough a pond of pig shit to get a buck from Sheldon.

38 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 6:17:00pm
39 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 6:17:03pm

re: #24 freetoken

One of the longstanding traditions in Pentecostalism and similar Protestant faiths is that of being a child with respect to God/Jesus. He is the Father, you are the child, and the pastor dwells in a gray area somewhere in between. Jesus’ remarks about children being closer to Heaven are taken very much to heart, although I believe they have been misinterpreted. These believers extol their lack of a questioning attitude, saying that God wants us to be as children so that we can be closer to HIm. So, they are not going to question the Bible, or the pastor, because to break away from a childlike belief in the incredible would be to step further away from God. (And closer to the Devil, for some.) Ignorance really is bliss for them.

I believe that Jesus meant people are to be as open and unconditional in their love and caring for others as kids are, and not be judgmental. Kids don’t worry about money (usually) or social status or skin color, etc. That was jesus’ message, not that people are supposed to be ignorant, gullible or unquestioning.

40 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 6:25:58pm
41 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 6:30:18pm

re: #39 wheat-dogghazi

One of the longstanding traditions in Pentecostalism and similar Protestant faiths is that of being a child with respect to God/Jesus. He is the Father, you are the child, and the pastor dwells in a gray area somewhere in between. Jesus’ remarks about children being closer to Heaven are taken very much to heart, although I believe they have been misinterpreted. These believers extol their lack of a questioning attitude, saying that God wants us to be as children so that we can be closer to HIm. So, they are not going to question the Bible, or the pastor, because to break away from a childlike belief in the incredible would be to step further away from God. (And closer to the Devil, for some.) Ignorance really is bliss for them.

I believe that Jesus meant people are to be as open and unconditional in their love and caring for others as kids are, and not be judgmental. Kids don’t worry about money (usually) or social status or skin color, etc. That was jesus’ message, not that people are supposed to be ignorant, gullible or unquestioning.

Maria Montessori described the infant as the “spiritual embryo” —an actual piece of God, as it were.

In essence, God puts a piece of himself into this world, and then works to diminish himself so this piece can become fully human. He loves us so much that he wants to become one of us.

Our job as parents, is not to mold that piece, but to allow it to grow into what it chooses to be.

Thus her other sayings “The child makes the man” and “Follow the Child”

42 Bear  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 6:49:58pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

TNX That worked.

43 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 6:57:51pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

PAUL BROUN, FREEDOM FIGHTER

Yep, Broun and his bagger minions are fighting against freedom every day.

44 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 7:02:15pm

re: #41 FemNaziBitch

Maria Montessori described the infant as the “spiritual embryo” —an actual piece of God, as it were.

In essence, God puts a piece of himself into this world, and then works to diminish himself so this piece can become fully human. He loves us so much that he wants to become one of us.

Our job as parents, is not to mold that piece, but to allow it to grow into what it chooses to be.

Thus her other sayings “The child makes the man” and “Follow the Child”

Montessori got a lot of things right about childhood education. My daughter went to Montessori preschool and kindergarten and really enjoyed the whole experience. Recently, I learned about a similar method called the Reggio Emilia approach. en.wikipedia.org
It was developed in Italy after WWII. almost 50 years after Montessori’s pioneering methods.

Montessori was certainly influenced by the mystical aspects of Catholicism. Her philosophy and theology are about as diametrically opposite to RW Christianity as you can get.

45 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 7:04:48pm

Keep in mind as you listen that Bill Moyers is an ordained minister, a Southern Baptist no less. He actually served as a pastor in Weir, Texas before beginning his political and journalism careers.

46 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 7:36:42pm

re: #45 Shiplord Kirel

Keep in mind as you listen that Bill Moyers is an ordained minister, a Southern Baptist no less. He actually served as a pastor in Weir, Texas before beginning his political and journalism careers.

From a different time, before the lunatics took over.

47 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 29, 2014 8:41:12pm

re: #44 wheat-dogghazi

Montessori got a lot of things right about childhood education. My daughter went to Montessori preschool and kindergarten and really enjoyed the whole experience. Recently, I learned about a similar method called the Reggio Emilia approach. en.wikipedia.org
It was developed in Italy after WWII. almost 50 years after Montessori’s pioneering methods.

Montessori was certainly influenced by the mystical aspects of Catholicism. Her philosophy and theology are about as diametrically opposite to RW Christianity as you can get.

Well, yes. I use Montessori as a metric for a lot of other things.

48 StephenMeansMe  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:46:41am

re: #29 Skip Intro

Remember the shit he got (and still gets) for that? People want to hear they live in the greatest country ever, and they’re the greatest people who have ever walked the earth.

And yet we’re being assailed from all sides! Our traditional values have been eroded! It’s all going to be taken away from us…! THANKS OBAMA!

That’s got to be some stressful doublethink. Unless they really do buy into the REAL ‘MURICA meme and only consider the “heartland”/rural areas to be the “greatest country” and all the cities to be malignant godless freedom-hating cancers.


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