Strangely Beautiful Photos of Desolation and Abandonment

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Now for something completely different — strangely beautiful photos of desolation and abandonment from the ruins of the Worcester State Hospital, formerly known as the State Lunatic Asylum: The Kingston Lounge: Worcester State Hospital.

The Kirkbride building at Worcester State Hospital, a once-sprawling complex conceived in 1869, built between 1873 and 1877, and continuously used for well over a century, has suffered an unfortunate fate over the last 21 years. In 1991, a fire tore through the complex, destroying much of the original construction. Of what remained, the state decided to demolish all but the administrative pavilion - known as the Clocktower, due to its distinctive clock tower - and the Hooper turret to its left. With little fanfare, the three remaining wards and Gage turret were torn down along with several other historic structures in 2008. Now, the state plans to destroy the historic Clocktower, leaving only a hollow monument where it stands.

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396 comments
1 Gus 802  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 8:45:54pm

That last pic is kind of scary looking.

2 jaunte  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 8:46:36pm

Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: Love is the only thing that can save this poor creature, and I am going to convince him that he is loved even at the cost of my own life. No matter what you hear in there, no matter how cruelly I beg you, no matter how terribly I may scream, do not open this door or you will undo everything I have worked for. Do you understand? Do not open this door.

Inga: Yes, Doctor.

Igor: Nice working with ya.

3 Gus 802  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 8:47:03pm

re: #2 jaunte

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Can’t sleep now! //

4 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 8:47:49pm

re: #1 Gus

That last pic is kind of scary looking.

Here’s what it looked like in action.

5 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 8:48:08pm

Beat me to it!

6 Gus 802  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 8:54:24pm

Getty Image

New York, 1911, Plate 006, Whilte Plains, Bloomingdale Asylum, Westchester County

7 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 8:55:01pm
8 Kragar  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 8:55:02pm

Did some rewrites and fixed my earlier page

Little Girl Wants SC to Have a State Fossil; Creationists Screw It Up
Read more at littlegreenfootballs.com

9 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 8:55:14pm

Oh brother.

10 jaunte  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 8:55:29pm

What To Do In Case Of Fire Or Am Imaginary Fire.

I wonder how they knew they were having an imaginary fire?

11 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 8:56:59pm
12 Lidane  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 8:57:27pm
13 jaunte  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:00:10pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

If that guy reportedly went to law school, maybe he should explain what “holding @bobcesca_go accountable” means.

14 Gus 802  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:00:23pm

15 Gus 802  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:00:55pm

Googling. Wow.

16 jaunte  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:01:07pm

re: #14 Gus

Hunter Thompson teleports in.

17 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:01:40pm

re: #11 NJDhockeyfan

Church shot’s good - excellent use of available light.

18 Lidane  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:02:12pm
19 Kragar  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:03:51pm

re: #18 Lidane

20 Gus 802  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:05:42pm

Getty Image

Hydrotheraphy treatments, c1902. Steam pack with hot water bottles shown open and closed (top ). Stimulating the larynx with cold water (middle). Full body douches and knee douche (bottom ). One of the oldest forms of medical treatment, hydrotherapy enjoyed a resurgence in popularity in the late 19th century. From Die Neue Heilmethode Lehrbuch by M Platen. (Berlin, c1902). (Photo by Oxford Science Archive/Print Collector/Getty Images)

21 jaunte  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:05:49pm

Where’s
the
remote.

22 Kragar  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:13:42pm

23 klys  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:13:53pm

I see all these photos and think of the people who lived there. Some of whom were probably unaware, but some of whom were aware.

I much prefer photos of abandoned hotels or amusement parks. It feel less like intruding on someone’s old pain or grief.

24 Gus 802  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:14:36pm

Man Ray - Simone Kahn

25 Lidane  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:14:55pm
26 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:17:01pm

re: #19 Kragar

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Have we ever wondered what happens to the clown car after all the clowns emerge?

27 Kragar  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:19:23pm

re: #26 Feline Fearless Leader

Have we ever wondered what happens to the clown car after all the clowns emerge?

They never leave.

28 Gus 802  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:20:29pm
29 Gus 802  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:22:30pm

Oh boy.

30 Gus 802  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:23:25pm

Stupid North Korea doing live fire exercises. Allegedly some South Korean town or towns now in shelter.

31 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:23:48pm

re: #28 Gus

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Hella beautiful Rolleiflex. I’ve only ever managed to afford a Rolleicord III and that was the finest (of many) TLR I’ve ever used. Gotta burn some film…

33 Gus 802  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:25:47pm

re: #32 William Barnett-Lewis

Image: vivian-maier_wide-9c38bea580ffce3cec7a437d0074b15269add138-s40-c85.jpg

Infinity.

34 jaunte  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:25:58pm

re: #30 Gus

North and South Korea exchange fire across western sea border
bbc.com

35 Gus 802  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:26:34pm
36 Gus 802  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:27:06pm

re: #34 jaunte

North and South Korea exchange fire across western sea border
bbc.com

Thanks!

37 jaunte  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:28:22pm

North Korea warns no-sail zone ahead of test-fire drill
dw.de

South Korea’s defense ministry said on Monday that Pyongyang had warned it would carry out a live-fire drill near to the maritime border.

Although it was not immediately clear when the tests would begin, Seoul said it had been warned to “control” its naval vessels off the western coast.

“The North notified us that they would stage live-fire drills near the Yellow Sea border today,” a ministry spokesman told the AFP news agency. South Korea warned of immediate retalliation if any ordínance were fired across the border.

38 Gus 802  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:30:02pm

re: #37 jaunte

North Korea warns no-sail zone ahead of test-fire drill
dw.de

The second I saw this yesterday I thought it might be a repeat from years ago. Doesn’t seem to be the case so far. Or yet. O.o

39 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:32:39pm
40 Gus 802  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:33:05pm

와이티엔 24시간 생방송(LIVE)

Youtube Video

41 Gus 802  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:34:37pm
42 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:36:46pm

I see your abandoned buildings and raise you an abandoned city:

43 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:37:13pm

re: #41 Gus

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Ugh. I hope that’s a false alarm.

Good night.

44 Gus 802  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:39:54pm
45 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:40:43pm
46 Gus 802  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:42:12pm
47 Gus 802  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:42:22pm
48 Gus 802  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:44:53pm
49 Gus 802  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:49:12pm
50 Gus 802  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:49:43pm
51 Gus 802  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:52:36pm
52 Gus 802  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 9:57:12pm

Aegukga!

53 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 10:01:27pm

re: #45 NJDhockeyfan

It’s buildings like that that inspired the Castlevania video game series…one of my all time favourites.

54 Kragar  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 10:02:44pm

According to Salemi, who sued under the New York City Human Rights Law, Globokar compelled his staff to attend weekly prayer meetings that were essentially mandatory because with the restaurant staff believing they would lose their jobs if they failed to attend.

At the meetings, Globokar would repeatedly call homosexuality a sin, and tell his staff that “gay people” were “going to go to hell.”

According to Salemi’s lawyer Derek Smith, Globokar also instructed Salemi to dress more “effeminately,” and that she should marry a man and have children.

In affirming the earlier verdict, A three-judge panel of the Appellate Division’s Manhattan-based First Department wrote: “Additional evidence demonstrated that as a result of Globokar’s improper conduct, plaintiff was retaliated against for objecting to his offensive comments, choosing not to attend workplace prayer meetings and refusing to fire another employee because of his sexual orientation.”

In his defense, Globokar had argued that he was exercising his First Amendment rights, including his freedom of religion.

The appeals court rejected that notion.

“The trial court properly protected Globokar’s First Amendment rights by instructing the jury that he had ‘a right to express his religious beliefs and practice religion, providing that he does not discriminate against his employees based on religion or sexual orientation,” the justices wrote.

55 TedStriker  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 10:05:48pm

re: #42 Targetpractice

I see your abandoned buildings and raise you an abandoned city:

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Sochi?

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56 Gus 802  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 10:09:07pm
57 freetoken  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 10:14:30pm

re: #28 Gus

TLRs are fun cameras.

58 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 10:14:42pm
59 Gus 802  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 10:17:45pm
60 SteveMcGazi  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 10:18:12pm

re: #58 NJDhockeyfan

Hard to imagine shooting guns like that and not hurting anybody.

61 SteveMcGazi  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 10:24:05pm

Speaking of abandoned and desolate, I was in my old factory a couple of weeks ago. It’s been stripped of everything but the trash. It was so weird. I should have taken pictures, but I will be back again soon. It was sad in a way to picture old friends in workplaces that are now gone. Some parts of the walls and floors are exposed for the first time in nearly a century. Even the mice are gone.

62 Gus 802  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 10:26:07pm

re: #60 SteveMcGazi

Hard to imagine shooting guns like that and not hurting anybody.

Designation: KH179
Manufactured by: Kia Heavy Industries Corporation
Type: Weapons & Weapon Systems
Name: Towed howitzer

Kia!

63 Gus 802  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 10:27:11pm

HYUNDAI WIA - Product - Machinery Business - Military/Land

64 SteveMcGazi  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 10:28:49pm

We had a hydraulic pump in use at the time we closed that was made in 1924. Purred like a kitten. The presses if fed were made in the 40s. Somewhere in one of the desks was a photo from 1952 in which all of the equipment was already in place.

65 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 10:28:52pm

re: #54 Kragar

That’s a reasonable ruling, and one that I hope the SCOTUS will review as they deliberate on the Hobby Lobby case.

Compelling employees to conform to one’s own religious beliefs is not protected under the Constitution, as far as I’m concerned. Globokar can believe whatever he wants, but his restaurant is not a church, and his employees are not members of that church. As long they perform their duties and do not actively encroach on his beliefs, he needs to leave them alone. Being a boss does not give one the right to tell one’s employees what they should do outside of their work duties.

As for Hobby Lobby, they are essentially saying the First Amendment gives them the right to tell employees to pay for their own contraception, because contraception is against HL’s owners’ beliefs. But contraceptives have other medical uses besides family planning. Cutting off insurance coverage for contraception would unfairly affect those employees in medical need of them, and judging each case would require the employers to intrude on a private matter between employees and their doctors. I assume HL does not want that additional headache, even if it were legal under HIPAA.

HL’s owners have to face the reality that religious believers have to make accommodations to live within a secular, or non-believing world. They probably do not want to sequester themselves from the outside, as the Amish try to do, nor can they compel the outside world to follow their particular religious percepts. If HL’s owners really believe contraception is a sin, and therefore they won’t pay for it, then they need to face the consequences of breaking the law.

I really hope SCOTUS denies Hobby Lobby. Otherwise, employees and employers will be in one hell of a mess.

66 SteveMcGazi  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 10:30:48pm

Every time a wingnut argues that nobody has to work at hobby lobby, I say that hobby lobby doesn’t have to open in the US. They’re free to go to Saudi Arabia.

67 Gus 802  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 10:45:59pm

BBCtrending: The fake ‘MH370 search’ video that went viral

Derp.

68 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 10:49:16pm

re: #66 SteveMcGazi

The attitude that religious belief somehow excuses one from obeying secular law without any legal consequences just pisses me off, even more in this case, because the owners are basically saying their religious beliefs are more important (or privileged) than their employees’ beliefs, AND more important (or privileged) than federal law. HL is asking for permission to break the law and to impose their beliefs on their employees. Their presumption that they are entitled to such an exclusion from the law is just mindboggling in its conception. They are trying to set themselves above US law.

69 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 11:08:00pm
Even before Washington and Colorado legalized pot for recreational use, opponents were arguing that the drug’s proliferation for medicinal purposes would result in higher rates of crime and delinquency. But a new study by researchers at the University of Texas, Dallas, determined that not to be the case.

“The main finding is that we found no increase in crime rates resulting from medical marijuana legalization,” explained Dr. Robert Morris, associate professor of criminology and lead author of the study, which was recently published in the journal PLOS ONE. “In fact, we found some evidence of decreasing rates of some types of violent crime, namely homicide and assault.”

The study analyzed crime rates from all 50 states between 1990 and 2006. During that time, eleven states legalized marijuana for medical use, including: Alaska, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington. When accounting for a range of socioeconomic factors, researchers were able to show that not a single type of crime increased in the wake of marijuana legalization.

70 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Sun, Mar 30, 2014 11:30:34pm

re: #69 goddamnedfrank

However, sales of snack foods and cookies have skyrocketed.
/

71 sagehen  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 12:06:01am

walking dead, comments and questions

Spoiler

were Tyrese, Carol and Judith in the boxcar and I blinked and missed them? Or are they still out there?

will Beth ever be seen or heard from again?

daryl daryl daryl… you’ve grown so much since season 1!! If I ever meet a Darylish person in the world-as-it-is, I’ll no longer be eager to make a polite exit — that’s someone I need to keep in touch with, in case of zombie apocalypse I’ll want him on my team.

Did our guys hang onto any weapons? Maybe knives in their boots or something?

Overall, I’m somewhat disappointed — not a bad ep, but not very season finale-ish.

72 klys  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 12:40:34am

Shocked and incredibly saddened to find the news about Wilbur Hot Springs this evening. We were last there earlier this month; one of those special places for my husband and I.

Just sharing in case any other CA Lizards knew about and were fond of it.

73 freetoken  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 1:05:10am

Youtube Video

74 freetoken  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 1:42:58am

Unfortunately a talent not known to many today, Dorothy Dandridge - a compilation:

Youtube Video

76 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 2:06:55am

re: #74 freetoken

Unfortunately a talent not known to many today, Dorothy Dandridge - a compilation:

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She was a talented, intelligent and fabulous woman and more than likely would have been a huge star today.

How many know who Hoagy Carmichael is today, either? : ) He wrote some great classics.

77 EdDantes  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 2:22:04am

Didn’t Hoagy write Stardust?

78 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 2:30:00am

re: #77 EdDantes

Didn’t Hoagy write Stardust?

Along with “Georgia On My Mind”, “Heart & Soul” and many others.

79 EdDantes  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 2:32:19am

re: #78 Justanotherhuman

Along with “Georgia On My Mind”, “Heart & Soul” and many others.

I didn’t know that. I just thought his big claim to fame was Stardust.

80 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 3:03:18am

Can we call involuntary hydrotherapy what it really is? Water torture.

Of course, it doesn’t sound as “nice” to say that patients were routinely subjected to water torture.

Language matters in understanding. Some day we will also understand the years of “pill” torture so many go through in trying to get simple personal problem solving accomplished when many times all they need is someone who actually listens and provides material assistance.

I’ve never found that altering the brain with chemicals did very much to alleviate the stress and worry of trying to survive economically and socially in the world.

I’m disgusted that we try to cover up the inequities of our society with the designation of “mental illness” when too many times it is nothing of the sort, just an inability to cope with the constant pressures, misunderstandings, and fear of failure we see all around us in a modern society where “success” is measured in dollars more than any other medium.

81 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 3:20:20am

The authorities will hunt you down and shoot you for “camping illegally”, mentioning that you are “mentally ill” in the process. And they will suffer no consequences.

Youtube Video

82 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 3:25:21am

re: #81 Justanotherhuman

There are on-going protests over this shooting.

Tear gas released, some APD protesters arrested

krqe.com

83 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 3:30:48am

And, of course, adding to the strain of modern life and rising wealth inequities…

Kerry warns of climate change ‘catastrophe’

france24.com

“Denial of the science is malpractice.”

84 freetoken  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 3:58:55am

I wonder if American workers would dare to do this?

Amazon workers on strike in Germany

Workers at one of amazon.com’s German distribution centers are on strike in a dispute over wages.

The ver.di union said Monday that workers at the American online retailer’s logistics center in Leipzig were staging the short-term warning strike to try to get management to return to the negotiating table.

[…]

Amazon has offered Christmas bonuses to workers but the union says it also wants wage increases.

The union says Amazon workers receive lower pay than others in retail and mail-order jobs. Amazon says its distribution warehouses in Germany are logistics centers and employees already earn wages on the upper end of that industry.

[…]

amazon.com - it’s not online retail, it’s a group of “logistics centers”.

85 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 4:15:14am

While I like those photos of abandoned asylums (and really most of the “abandoned” genre), the top photo and several of the others are too cute by half. The tricycle is obviously staged, as is the TV in #21.

I have a real problem with this from a photographic/documentarian perspective. One should leave the setting as it was found, as undisturbed as possible. Someone online shared a before/after photo recently of an abandoned mansion that had been trashed by the rash of Urban Explorers who’d come through for some cool photos.

Yes, it’s abandoned, but photographers should work with what’s available, not move stuff around to get better compositions, thereby destroying the possibility for future photographers to experience what the reality of that abandonment was.

Just like you wouldn’t go to a nature shoot and move around a bunch of rocks (hopefully) to get a better composition.

Maybe that’s just me.

Edit: Here’s the article I mentioned earlier, with a before/after photo

86 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 4:23:22am

re: #85 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I think both things are equally valid, I don’t think you should castigate people for staging to make a more interesting shot. There’s nothing sacred or unique about the way it happened to get left; that as done by humans, the retaging would be done by humans.

I was walking in the woods once—luckily before Blair Witch—and I came across a clearing where someone had taken tons of the sticks lying on the ground and lashed them to the trees with vines, stuck them in other branches. It was a weird, gorgeous, strange effect. The wind was slowly unravelling what had been done, there were lots of sticks fallen from where the person had put them, and more fell while I was there.

87 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 4:30:01am

re: #86 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

That is an interesting example, and one I hadn’t considered wrt nature photography, so I’d have to tweak my point.

However, I do think the point stands wrt abandoned places. Moving stuff around changes the “abandoned” part - it’s now become someone’s abandoned photography studio (a subtle difference, admittedly). I’d be irritated to come upon that tricycle image, thinking I’d discovered something unique and interesting to photograph, only to find someone else had come along and staged the setting for their own photographic purposes. I’d rather have the area left as undisturbed as possible.

I should add I come at this from a perspective of photojournalism, not art photography, so that may color my perspective.

88 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 4:34:29am

re: #87 Rev_Arthur_Belling

That is an interesting example, and one I hadn’t considered wrt nature photography, so I’d have to tweak my point.

However, I do think the point stands wrt abandoned places. Moving stuff around changes the “abandoned” part - it’s now become someone’s abandoned photography studio (a subtle difference, admittedly). I’d be irritated to come upon that tricycle image, thinking I’d discovered something unique and interesting to photograph, only to find someone else had come along and staged the setting for their own photographic purposes. I’d rather have the area left as undisturbed as possible.

I should add I come at this from a perspective of photojournalism, not art photography, so that may color my perspective.

I used to go into abandoned buildings all the time in Chicago, and I’d move stuff around, not to take pictures but just so that I, exploring, could see what it’d look like. You’re no longer documenting the abandonment, but you’re still documenting something a human has done.

To put it another way, you’ve got no way of knowing in those classic ‘abandoned’ scenarios if someone hasn’t moved stuff around to make it look more chaotic and less posed. Who knows?

89 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 4:37:47am

re: #85 Rev_Arthur_Belling

While I like those photos of abandoned asylums (and really most of the “abandoned” genre), the top photo and several of the others are too cute by half. The tricycle is obviously staged, as is the TV in #21.

I have a real problem with this from a photographic/documentarian perspective. One should leave the setting as it was found, as undisturbed as possible. Someone online shared a before/after photo recently of an abandoned mansion that had been trashed by the rash of Urban Explorers who’d come through for some cool photos.

Yes, it’s abandoned, but photographers should work with what’s available, not move stuff around to get better compositions, thereby destroying the possibility for future photographers to experience what the reality of that abandonment was.

Just like you wouldn’t go to a nature shoot and move around a bunch of rocks (hopefully) to get a better composition.

Maybe that’s just me.

Edit: Here’s the article I mentioned earlier, with a before/after photo

Was the fire at Worcester started by simple vandals or squatters, I wonder?

There was a beautiful, old gothic revival style church in Charlotte near downtown that suffered a fire started by a squatter (it was almost directly across the street from the homeless shelter at the time). Said at the time to be a known hangout for users and transients in the area. It’s now an arts center.

mccollcenter.org

90 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 4:42:10am

re: #88 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Yes, agreed. And the same goes for vandalism. But it’s not being manipulated in order to be documented via photographs. You’re right. I would have no way of knowing if it were manipulated by other people before (I can imagine that patient records scattered along with shattered file cabinet drawers was not the way they were left), but I would expect that a photographer had not done so in order to get a better photograph.

But then, I’ve never been one to go in and stir stuff around just for the heck of it. I’m usually too much enchanted by what’s there when I step foot into the setting.

Like I said, that may be the photojournalism training coming out (and yes, I know there are abuses in photojournalism of manipulation as well).

My photography is “This is what I saw,” not “This is what I created with the pieces that were there.”

Like I said, it’s my personal preference.

91 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 4:43:14am

re: #10 jaunte

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What To Do In Case Of Fire Or Am Imaginary Fire.

I wonder how they knew they were having an imaginary fire?

It’s a good rule, if you translate it as “Just because they’re insane, don’t assume they’re wrong about the fire.” The rules also recognizes the trait, common among children, to ‘hide’ from a fire.

92 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 4:45:39am

re: #90 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Yes, agreed. And the same goes for vandalism. But it’s not being manipulated in order to be documented via photographs. You’re right. I would have no way of knowing if it were manipulated by other people before (I can imagine that patient records scattered along with shattered file cabinet drawers was not the way they were left), but I would expect that a photographer had not done so in order to get a better photograph.

But then, I’ve never been one to go in and stir stuff around just for the heck of it. I’m usually too much enchanted by what’s there when I step foot into the setting.

Like I said, that may be the photojournalism training coming out (and yes, I know there are abuses in photojournalism of manipulation as well).

My photography is “This is what I saw,” not “This is what I created with the pieces that were there.”

Like I said, it’s my personal preference.

No statue of this flag-raising.

Image: flag_raising.jpg

93 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 4:46:45am

re: #90 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I think your personal preference is cool, but I also have no problem with someone rearranging stuff. It’s too bad that the two things are mutually exclusive.

94 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 4:49:39am

Speaking of fires, here’s another apt fire in Houston. I think there was a similar fire last week?

95 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 4:54:20am

Interesting chart. Every country in red is sanctioned by the US.

96 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 5:00:20am

If the takeover by the Russian bank was done illegally, Ukraine has a case.

97 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 5:00:39am

re: #92 Decatur Deb

I’m well aware of the staging of that photo and many others, even in recent conflicts, where Photoshop makes it so easy it’s ridiculous. I have a file full of stories of photoj’s who’ve decided the scene wasn’t perfect enough, so they went over the line to improve it.

98 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 5:15:59am

Because the wealthy don’t have enough choices?

Aston Martin holding talks with Daimler on possible luxury SUV, sources tell @BloombergNews
read more on bloomberg.com

You young people are so screwed. I live with one and know this first hand, like others of you here might know in your own family or acquaintances. The economy might also be reverting back to an even earlier time; some of us poorer elderly ones didn’t even own property until our kids were grown, or almost grown; in my case I was 37 before I was able to buy a house in 1978, as a single woman. Now, I rent again, after owning 2 and then losing everything.

99 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 5:17:17am

re: #97 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I’m well aware of the staging of that photo and many others, even in recent conflicts, where Photoshop makes it so easy it’s ridiculous. I have a file full of stories of photoj’s who’ve decided the scene wasn’t perfect enough, so they went over the line to improve it.

Pretty much the norm.

Image: Confederate_Dead_at_Devil%27s_Den_Gettysburg.jpg

100 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 5:37:18am

re: #84 freetoken

I wonder if American workers would dare to do this?

Amazon workers on strike in Germany

amazon.com - it’s not online retail, it’s a group of “logistics centers”.

It would depend on the state, but likely not. Even in states that are not Right to Work, Amazon would probably write the short-term strikers up en masse or dock any sick days / vacation time they received.

101 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 5:40:39am

This is the stupidest meme I have seen today: HILTER SKILTER

102 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 5:45:37am

re: #101 Pie-onist Overlord

This is the stupidest meme I have seen today: HILTER SKILTER

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103 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 5:46:33am

Interesting site here.

higley1000.com

Also interesting is that the top neighborhood in Charlotte is “new money”, which also seems to be taking over the “old money” neighborhoods of Eastover and Myers Park, as well. I haven’t seen this much disparity in wealth since the ’50s, when Myers Park (which has fallen in wealth more than I would have expected) and Eastover were really where the wealthiest lived—the mills owners, etc. But banking has changed that, esp over the last 20 yrs. You might notice also that every single neighborhood is over 90% non-Hispanic white, with the exception of Oxford Hunt, which has a substantial Asian (for Charlotte) population.

The mean income in Foxcroft-Morrocroft Farms, a newer neighborhood, at $400K is higher than most wealthy neighborhoods in Los Angeles, with the exception of Beverly Park. Typical house and architecture in that neighborhood: zillow.com

104 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 5:48:16am

re: #102 Dark_Falcon

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Why am I not surprised that Jodi_my_101’s time line is full of racist, anti-Semitic, batshit crazy Derp.

105 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 5:52:52am

re: #103 Justanotherhuman

Interesting site here.

higley1000.com

Also interesting is that the top neighborhood in Charlotte is “new money”, which also seems to be taking over the “old money” neighborhoods of Easter and Myers Park, as well. I haven’t seen this much disparity in wealth since the ’50s, when Myers Park (which has fallen in wealth more than I would have expected) and Eastover were really where the wealthiest lived—the mills owners, etc. But banking has changed that, esp over the last 20 yrs. You might notice also that every single neighborhood is over 90% non-Hispanic white, with the exception of Oxford Hunt, which has a substantial Asian (for Charlotte) population.

The mean income in Foxcroft-Morrocroft Farms, a newer neighborhood, at $400K is higher than most wealthy neighborhoods in Los Angeles, with the exception of Beverly Park. Typical house and architecture in that neighborhood: zillow.com

Nice but it would fit in better up here in Chicagoland. The colors are a bit too dark for North Carolina.

106 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 5:57:25am

re: #104 Pie-onist Overlord

Why am I not surprised that Jodi_my_101’s time line is full of racist, anti-Semitic, batshit crazy Derp.

Because that’s the norm with someone as batshit insane as “Jodi”. Her/His sort of conspiracism is the real hard-core Bad Craziness. Even most people who hate Obama’s guts don’t think he actually caused any of the depicted events. (There’s also the fact that the woman in Aurora, CO has distinctly different features from the other two women, but that’s just a further proof of Jodi’s insanity.)

107 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 6:00:37am

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

Because that’s the norm with someone as batshit insane as “Jodi”. Her/His sort of conspiracism is the real hard-core Bad Craziness. Even most people who hate Obama’s guts don’t think he actually caused any of the depicted events. (There’s also the fact that the woman in Aurora, CO has distinctly different features from the other two women, but that’s just a further proof of Jodi’s insanity.)

Jodi must be a hardcore Alex Jones fan.

108 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 6:07:40am

re: #107 Pie-onist Overlord

Jodi must be a hardcore Alex Jones fan.

I’d disagree on that point: Jones doesn’t tend towards running with anti-Israel stuff from Iran’s ‘PressTV’. And for all his flaws, one thing Alex Jones has gone to some lengths to avoid is Holocaust Denial / “Jews are the Real Nazis” shit.

No, I’d say ‘Jodi’ is actually worse than Alex Jones.

109 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 6:24:49am

re: #99 Decatur Deb

Pretty much the norm.

Image: Confederate_Dead_at_Devil%27s_Den_Gettysburg.jpg

re: #88 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Who knows?

The photographer who has that ethical/artistic choice. Well two choices. Leave it natural or not. Then disclose the truth or just leave it unspoken. I’m with the idea it’s wrong to stage the scene. Or if you do it’s another kind of photography. More of a creative piece instead of a well composed found scene.

Staging a scene and hiding the fact is just being a cheat.

110 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 6:28:19am

re: #109 Political Atheist

Staging a scene and hiding the fact is just being a cheat.

What does it cheat who out of?

111 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 6:28:21am

Here’s a story you don’t see every day. Hoarder killed by his own wall of trash…

112 GunstarGreen  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 6:30:09am

There is something hauntingly serene about photos with an “after humanity” theme.

I think a large part of it is the confirmation of the idea that, long after the people are gone, life continues. The little blue ball continues on its spinning path, slowly drifting through time, and ultimately none of it cares whether we were there or not. We may change the landscape to suit us, but eventually we pass just like everything else. And the world keeps on turning.

113 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 6:33:03am

re: #109 Political Atheist

The photographer who has that ethical/artistic choice. Well two choices. Leave it natural or not. Then disclose the truth or just leave it unspoken. I’m with the idea it’s wrong to stage the scene. Or if you do it’s another kind of photography. More of a creative piece instead of a well composed found scene.

Staging a scene and hiding the fact is just being a cheat.

It gets fuzzy:

amazon.com

114 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 6:33:29am

re: #111 NJDhockeyfan

Here’s a story you don’t see every day. Hoarder killed by his own wall of trash…

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Not the first time that has happened.

115 Flounder  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 6:34:52am

ah, the Worcester State Hospital, food there was terrible!

116 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 6:35:02am

re: #110 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

What does it cheat who out of?

It cheats in the competition between photographers, for starters. Rather than honestly competing for the best shot, the photographer who stages a photo without disclosing he or she has done so is claim to have a record of a part of an event that did not in fact happen as depicted and that person lays a claim to have a skill at finding images that he or she does not in fact possess.

117 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 6:35:50am

re: #110 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

This is circumstantial obviously-An honest image, the verite is lost And then of course if you lie about it that compounds it. You might be cheating the scene for money, or hits and clicks.

Some kinds of photography are made up of whole cloth-The studio shoot. But then we have the kind of thing at hand here-Urban decay shot of or some journalistic image like those war images. I had a talk with some other photographers about the civil war staging. We saw that as a cheat at best and possibly desecrating the bodies.

118 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 6:35:57am

It gets fuzzier:

content.time.com

119 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 6:38:35am

re: #117 Political Atheist

This is circumstantial obviously-An honest image, the verite is lost And then of course if you lie about it that compounds it. You might be cheating the scene for money, or hits and clicks.

Some kinds of photography are made up of whole cloth-The studio shoot. But then we have the kind of thing at hand here-Urban decay shot of some journalistic image like those was images. I had a talk with some other photographers about the civil war staging. We saw that as a cheat at best and possibly desecrating the bodies.

By camera angle, timing, lighting, color and perspective all photography is an unreal abstraction of a moment. Consciously or not, it is impossible not to editorialize.

120 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 6:38:41am

re: #115 Flounder

ah, the Worcester State Hospital, food there was terrible!

I though you were in prison, not the loony bin.

bartitsu.org

/riff on ShSl’s nic

121 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 6:43:01am

re: #119 Decatur Deb

By camera angle, timing, lighting, color and perspective all photography is an unreal abstraction of a moment. Consciously or not, it is impossible not to editorialize.

Agreed. Opinions vary. I feel free to move myself and camera, set my timing for the light etc. And yes I intend for that image to make a certain impression or draw out an emotion. But composition with my feet and lens choice is another matter from dragging items around and making the scene.

I’m expressing my own ethics on how i approach photography and what I would like to see in terms of ethics. But it’s just one guys opinion, not seeking to impose that view as the “right” one.

122 darthstar  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 6:47:37am

Mornin’ everyone. Looks like Obamacare will come pretty close to the 7 million sign ups they had first projected back in October. Not bad for a train wreck.

123 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 6:48:04am
124 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 6:48:13am

re: #117 Political Atheist

This is circumstantial obviously-An honest image, the verite is lost And then of course if you lie about it that compounds it. You might be cheating the scene for money, or hits and clicks.

Some kinds of photography are made up of whole cloth-The studio shoot. But then we have the kind of thing at hand here-Urban decay shot of or some journalistic image like those war images. I had a talk with some other photographers about the civil war staging. We saw that as a cheat at best and possibly desecrating the bodies.

Moving bodies around is obviously ghoulish, but if a photographer arranges things in a scene to take a better picture, then my primary attitude towards that is “Thanks for making something better”.

I don’t see any inherent value in verite. If things are rearranged to make a lie of some sort, to imply somethhing that isn’t true, that’s a different thing, but if it’s just aesthetics then in general if someone moves stuff around to improve aesthetics I think that’s cool.

Taking photographs automatically implies a lot of deception. Ansel Adams beautiful photographs are, for one thing, black and white, which our perceptions are not. Is he deceiving us by leaving out the color? Photographers use filters, polarizers, they show a depth of field our human eyes can’t perceive—are these deceptions? Is a photographer who takes a picture in the moment of a salmon leaping from a river lying because that was the only salmon that lept for hours, and the true image of the stream would be a smooth, undisturbed surface?

I think that it’s all okay, that if you want to do verite and proudly proclaim it, that’s fine, but i really don’t get the animus towards people who move stuff around to get a better shot—corpses excluded.

125 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 6:49:32am

Hey Dark, any idea what kind of shells are being used in this shot?

Weird smoke ring.

126 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 6:49:58am
127 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 6:50:47am

BRB

128 darthstar  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 6:52:10am

re: #125 Political Atheist

They’re tearing up the surface of the water with shrapnel, that’s for sure.

129 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 6:53:25am

re: #128 darthstar

Looks like AA guns.

130 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 6:54:26am

re: #122 darthstar

Mornin’ everyone. Looks like Obamacare will come pretty close to the 7 million sign ups they had first projected back in October. Not bad for a train wreck.

Still want a close look at HHS/CMS for the way the .gov was handled. Still don’t feel free to feed talking points to the TPGOP, but the lack of competence demands an explanation. A large number of those who wanted and needed insurance were kept out of the marketplace. Even today, the last peak day, the overnight maintenance shutdown had to be extended.

131 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 6:56:06am
132 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 6:56:21am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Today’s Opening Day for the Mets at home, so hope springs eternal, even if it doesn’t quite feel like snow here - there were flakes of snow mixing in with the rain earlier this morning, but it should warm up a bit by the first pitch.

Over the weekend I saw a few memes cross twitter, including how the NCAA-player-athletes attempt to unionize will somehow ruin sports, and that unions are the cause of all failures of businesses.

Except that they aren’t. For one thing, imagine how much more money GM would have if its boardroom had authorized recalls on the faulty ignition switch years ago, or that it authorized paying a few pennies more per switch to get a more robust one that wouldn’t have had the failures that led to deaths, injuries, and property damage. Instead, the company’s being hit for at least $300m in costs.

That has nothing to do with the unions, but puts a crimp in the company’s bottom line.

Boardroom decisions like this play out all the time. A company buys another one or chooses a strategy and throws tons of money at the issue, and then realizes that it’s a loss - but those involved in the decision aren’t accountable. Instead, it’s taken out on the workers who have no input.

Yeah, unions are the reason. //

Even with the GM issues, corporate profits at the automakers is at or near record highs, and automakers are moving to add shifts to keep the lines at full production to meet demand.

133 darthstar  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 6:57:25am
134 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 6:58:06am

re: #122 darthstar

The numbers projected by the CBO. Which were originally 7 million, then reduced to 6 million, and now appear ready to exceed the lower projections.

In any event, it’s millions of people who now have insurance who didn’t have the insurance previously.

That’s a huge deal, and the GOP will instead complain that this needs to be repealed because … shut up!

135 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 6:59:40am

Some of us will always have to cook our own meals. Is this one of the employment trends of the future? I sure hope not. It’s really nothing more than the servant class revisited. Not all servants actually lived in the manor house, you know.

Exclusive: Kitchensurfing raises $15 million for private chef marketplace

tech.fortune.cnn.com

136 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 6:59:57am

re: #133 darthstar

November 15. Just after the midterms. Originally, it was set to open October 15.

137 darthstar  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 7:03:03am

re: #136 lawhawk

November 15. Just after the midterms. Originally, it was set to open October 15.

Close enough. Rate increases won’t be a problem this time. The people who didn’t sign up in 2014 will be wanting their insurance though.

138 GunstarGreen  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 7:07:09am

re: #122 darthstar

Mornin’ everyone. Looks like Obamacare will come pretty close to the 7 million sign ups they had first projected back in October. Not bad for a train wreck.

It’s a train wreck and nobody signed up for it because nobody wants it and shut up. Your facts are not as important as my feels.

139 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 7:08:28am

re: #137 darthstar

Close enough. Rate increases won’t be a problem this time. The people who didn’t sign up in 2014 will be wanting their insurance though.

The Thanksgiving-Christmas season is a lousy time to start enrollments though—people are distracted, and disposable income is going into the holidays. Sent my lead navigator an email an hour ago, telling her I’m finishing a last couple ‘extended’ enrollments then dropping off until Nov to work the 2014 electoral campaign.

(Looks around the tri-state area for a Republican who’s bleeding in the water.)

140 GunstarGreen  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 7:10:23am

re: #135 Justanotherhuman

Some of us will always have to cook our own meals. Is this one of the employment trends of the future? I sure hope not. It’s really nothing more than the servant class revisited. Not all servants actually lived in the manor house, you know.

Exclusive: Kitchensurfing raises $15 million for private chef marketplace

tech.fortune.cnn.com

There’s already a number of apps out there that connect those with excess cash to those willing to do basic household tasks and errands for small compensation. It’s marketed and justified as giving otherwise unemployed people some form of job/income. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence understands that, yes, it is the return of the servant class.

It is commensurate with the return of Gilded Age wealth disparity and unquestioning worship of the almighty Invisible Hand. We are very rapidly approaching the point where the only difference between the 2020s and the 1920s will be that the top marginal tax rate in the latter century is much lower.

141 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 7:11:24am

re: #125 Political Atheist

Hey Dark, any idea what kind of shells are being used in this shot?

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Weird smoke ring.

Those are proximity-fused HE/Frag shells. As Obdicut noted, they are used against aircraft and missiles. Any naval gun can use them, from the 20mm Phalanx AA gun to the 127mm (5 inch) cannon. Larger guns, such as the ones whose shells are seen in the photo, can also fire Armor-Piercing (AP) rounds and smoke rounds.

142 darthstar  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 7:14:06am

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

They look like Langolier farts to me.

143 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 7:20:18am

How about some support and guidance for keeping the weight off in the first place, like prescribing test strips so a person can monitor their own blood sugar? Or doesn’t that make enough surgeons rich?

Weight-Loss Surgery Keeps Diabetes at Bay Better Than Medicines

businessweek.com

Never.

I become more and more disgusted with the medical profession every day.

144 steve_davis  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 7:21:12am

re: #87 Rev_Arthur_Belling

That is an interesting example, and one I hadn’t considered wrt nature photography, so I’d have to tweak my point.

However, I do think the point stands wrt abandoned places. Moving stuff around changes the “abandoned” part - it’s now become someone’s abandoned photography studio (a subtle difference, admittedly). I’d be irritated to come upon that tricycle image, thinking I’d discovered something unique and interesting to photograph, only to find someone else had come along and staged the setting for their own photographic purposes. I’d rather have the area left as undisturbed as possible.

I should add I come at this from a perspective of photojournalism, not art photography, so that may color my perspective.

I tend to agree, though there are two schools of thought, and both have good points. One French photographer whose name I’ve of course forgotten was notorious for sitting somewhere for hours, waiting for the exact right number of people to wander into his shot, in the exact right locations of the frame. Other photographers, though, move stuff around. I always look on photography as a game, where it’s my responsibility to take what is _already_ there and compose the shot.

145 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 7:25:56am

re: #140 GunstarGreen

There’s already a number of apps out there that connect those with excess cash to those willing to do basic household tasks and errands for small compensation. It’s marketed and justified as giving otherwise unemployed people some form of job/income. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence understands that, yes, it is the return of the servant class.

It is commensurate with the return of Gilded Age wealth disparity and unquestioning worship of the almighty Invisible Hand. We are very rapidly approaching the point where the only difference between the 2020s and the 1920s will be that the top marginal tax rate in the latter century is much lower.

Average Is Over, GG. Serving the very wealthy is what a good number of people are likely to end up doing.

146 GunstarGreen  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 7:28:04am

re: #143 Justanotherhuman

How about some support and guidance for keeping the weight off in the first place, like prescribing test strips so a person can monitor their own blood sugar? Or doesn’t that make enough surgeons rich?

Weight-Loss Surgery Keeps Diabetes at Bay Better Than Medicines

businessweek.com

Never.

I become more and more disgusted with the medical profession every day.

The United States spends a completely preposterous amount of money on weight loss every single year — and each year it keeps growing. This is a fundamental problem with a for-profit medical industry. It is not in the best interests of those who profit off of the obesity epidemic to actually cure it. The correct solution is proper education and training, to create a populace that understands the mechanics of how human weight management works and how to eat healthy and exercise regularly.

But that’s not anywhere near as profitable as selling them magic pills, boxed food and Ab Overlord 9000s.

And as long as the profit motive is involved, the actual health of the population will always be secondary. It must necessarily be, because the mandate of a profit-driven business is to make the maximum possible money for its owners or shareholders.

147 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 7:28:25am

re: #144 steve_davis

I tend to agree, though there are two schools of thought, and both have good points. One French photographer whose name I’ve of course forgotten was notorious for sitting somewhere for hours, waiting for the exact right number of people to wander into his shot, in the exact right locations of the frame. Other photographers, though, move stuff around. I always look on photography as a game, where it’s my responsibility to take what is _already_ there and compose the shot.

en.wikipedia.org ?

148 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 7:31:04am

re: #132 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Today’s Opening Day for the Mets at home, so hope springs eternal, even if it doesn’t quite feel like snow here - there were flakes of snow mixing in with the rain earlier this morning, but it should warm up a bit by the first pitch.

Over the weekend I saw a few memes cross twitter, including how the NCAA-player-athletes attempt to unionize will somehow ruin sports, and that unions are the cause of all failures of businesses.

Except that they aren’t. For one thing, imagine how much more money GM would have if its boardroom had authorized recalls on the faulty ignition switch years ago, or that it authorized paying a few pennies more per switch to get a more robust one that wouldn’t have had the failures that led to deaths, injuries, and property damage. Instead, the company’s being hit for at least $300m in costs.

That has nothing to do with the unions, but puts a crimp in the company’s bottom line.

Boardroom decisions like this play out all the time. A company buys another one or chooses a strategy and throws tons of money at the issue, and then realizes that it’s a loss - but those involved in the decision aren’t accountable. Instead, it’s taken out on the workers who have no input.

Yeah, unions are the reason. //

Even with the GM issues, corporate profits at the automakers is at or near record highs, and automakers are moving to add shifts to keep the lines at full production to meet demand.

Adding shifts is still good news for the unions. More workers = more members = more money and clout.

149 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 7:33:32am
150 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 7:33:43am

re: #146 GunstarGreen

On the other hand, this particular medical advance may save billions a year. A new blood test (still awaiting approval in the US), combined with an EKG can inform ER doctors whether a patient is having a heart attack with greater precision than any other procedure to date. It will prevent countless numbers of admissions and additional tests - freeing up ERs for serving more serious patients and reducing costs to everyone.

Chest pain sends more than 15 million people to emergency rooms in the United States and Europe each year, and it usually turns out to be due to anxiety, indigestion or other less-serious things than a heart attack. Yet doctors don’t want to miss one — about 2 percent of patients having heart attacks are mistakenly sent home.

People may feel reassured by being admitted to a hospital so doctors can keep an eye on them, but that raises the risk of picking up an infection and having expensive care they’ll have to pay a share of, plus unnecessary tests.

The study included nearly 15,000 people who went to the Karolinska University hospital with chest pains over two years. About 8,900 had low scores on a faster, more sensitive blood test for troponin, a substance that’s a sign of heart damage. The test has been available in Europe, Asia and Canada for about three years, but it is not yet available in the United States.

The patients were 47 years old on average and 4 percent had a previous heart attack. About 21 percent of them wound up being admitted.

Researchers later looked back to see how the blood test and electrocardiogram would have predicted how they fared over the next month.

They figured that in order to find one heart attack in patients like this, 594 would have to be admitted — a huge waste of resources.

A test like this would be “enormously useful,” and the study’s results are “almost too good to be true,” said Dr. Judd Hollander, an emergency medicine specialist at the University of Pennsylvania.

He believes the test should be available in the U.S. and that the amount of evidence that regulators are requiring to approve it is too high.

151 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 7:36:21am

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

Average Is Over, GG. Serving the very wealthy is what a good number of people are likely to end up doing.

Yeah, well, good luck in getting your toilet fixed and your yardwork done exclusively by technology.

There can only be so many “entrepreneurs” and eventually the Big Boys eat them up, too. But I don’t see very many people taking too kindly to the work houses of the future, either.

152 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 7:36:49am

re: #87 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I’m with you in that respect. I’m going to take the scene as I find it. Kinda like golf - I’m not going to mess with the lie to get the shot/putt, and that includes post-production edits.

While I might toy with HDR or panoramic compositions, I’m trying to recreate what I saw in the shot, not imagine something new and surrealistic that goes beyond what I saw in my mind’s eye when I took the shot.

153 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 7:40:42am

The balustrades in the photos are beautiful. I hope they were salvaged.

154 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 7:43:09am

re: #151 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, well, good luck in getting your toilet fixed and your yardwork done exclusively by technology.

There can only be so many “entrepreneurs” and eventually the Big Boys eat them up, too. But I don’t see very many people taking too kindly to the work houses of the future, either.

The rise in automation doesn’t mean entrepreneurship cannot be protected, and the book mentioned argues that service industries such as plumbing and landscaping are here to stay. It’s people like book-keepers and lower-level bankers who may find their jobs automated. But robots still can’t think out the repair of a clogged water system, so plumbers and pipe-fitters will be around for a long while and those jobs at least can be unionized.

155 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 7:50:17am

And for those who are rich, perhaps a trip across North America, Asia, and Europe by train?

London, England (CNN) — A 53-day journey by train might sound like murder on the Orient Express, but one enterprising British travel company is offering rail tickets that take nearly eight weeks to circumnavigate the globe.

As you’d expect for the $36,500 price tag, you won’t be spending six weeks cooped in the cheap seats listening to other people yammering into their cell phones.

The ticket offered by Great Rail Journeys is first class most of the way, crossing three continents in the kind of style you’d associate with a golden age of rail travel — albeit without the top hats and tailcoats.

En route, passengers get to experience some of the world’s most luxurious trains, including the Tsar’s Gold Private Train from Mongolia, the Venice Simplon Orient-Express and the British Orient Express Pullman.

The itinerary begins in London on May 18, 2015.

This a “1% Excursion” (really more like 5-7%) that Joe Biden would like. Perhaps the president should send him on it. :D

156 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 7:56:44am

re: #132 lawhawk

unions also did not fail to see the market potential for small cars in the 1970’s, and although the sloppiness of “Monday cars” was legendary, the designs of America’s first compacts, the Ford Pinto and the Chevy Vega, were also legendarily abysmal.

157 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 7:57:46am

re: #154 Dark_Falcon

The rise in automation doesn’t mean entrepreneurship cannot be protected, and the book mentioned argues that service industries such as plumbing and landscaping are here to stay. It’s people like book-keepers and lower-level bankers who may find their jobs automated. But robots still can’t think out the repair of a clogged water system, so plumbers and pipe-fitters will be around for a long while and those jobs at least can be unionized.

I have no idea what you mean by “The rise in automation doesn’t mean entrepreneurship cannot be protected”; are you saying the market place would no longer allow them to be swallowed up? Isn’t that a large part of the marketplace’s way of conducting business?

The fact of the matter is, we wouldn’t need the billions of human beings currently on the planet when just about every function on earth is supported or controlled by technology. They would be expendable, and we’re already seeing how true that is, even at this stage of technology. Having said that, it doesn’t mean I agree with the outcome.

The marketplace, and capitalism, depend upon productivity of each person, if you actually believe in capitalism. Otherwise, what other system would be in place to make life comfortable for those who have no real place, or function, in it? Even the wealthy, who do little, could still buy many of the others who exist, but not all, because the wealthy are a very tiny percentage of world wide population. Short of some virulent epidemic, war or famine, we will continue to increase world wide population and being human, we’re not going to be able to keep up with all the automation and technology we’re beginning to experience, and not everyone will adopt it all, either, only what they can justify as useful and that they can afford. Which won’t be very much for a lot of people.

158 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:02:40am

FYI: It is not breaking news that the search for MH370 continues, and that they’re expanding the search to other areas.

It’s only breaking news if they actually find something tangibly linking the item to the plane itself.

CNN keeps playing headline games, even though there’s no actual news here. Yes, the US equipment to detect the black boxes is being used now, but it’s only really useful if it’s near the vicinity of the boxes. And right now, no one knows where that is, even with all the expert guesses and analysis of the paltry data we’ve been treated to over the past month.

So, to answer the CNN question of “will it help?”, the answer will be not likely without being closer to where the plane went down.

159 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:05:29am

re: #124 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

There is one other thing about verite. It’s often the rarer thing. When we start moving things about, creating a scene maybe a little like a cinema director for a feature fiction epic, well heck all that holds us back is budget, crew skills and technology. To your point-There was something wrong, the photographer fixed it and now it’s a better image to enjoy. Maybe dragged that tricycle into just the right spot.

So the one little point i’d make about the approach I personally favor for photography is rarity. It’s often harder to find than create or modify to perfection.

Not always of course, that distinct mental vision that goes into a created piece has great value. This of course is shown in physical media either additive or reductive, painting or taking a chisel to stone.

Any way when you see my photography it’s almost never composted. HDR is a not a method I ever use apart from paid studio work. I accept those limits for the sake of keeping it a bit more real. Of course art photography is different ethics from journalism. I just happen to be conservative in my own artistic approach. I know how to use HDR and layers from various images. But I get no enjoyment out of making them like that.

In journalistic photography I find this strict attachment to reality really important. And so I really think less of a civil war photographer that moved bits (rifles, cannon balls, personal effects) around to make a better shot than one that did not.

160 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:06:51am

re: #158 lawhawk

FYI: It is not breaking news that the search for MH370 continues, and that they’re expanding the search to other areas.

It’s only breaking news if they actually find something tangibly linking the item to the plane itself.

CNN keeps playing headline games, even though there’s no actual news here. Yes, the US equipment to detect the black boxes is being used now, but it’s only really useful if it’s near the vicinity of the boxes. And right now, no one knows where that is, even with all the expert guesses and analysis of the paltry data we’ve been treated to over the past month.

So, to answer the CNN question of “will it help?”, the answer will be not likely without being closer to where the plane went down.

CNN did report that the USN has installed a “Black Box Pinger” aboard an RAN support ship, but said ship won’t arrive at the search area for 3 days. And even then it’ll only work if the data recorder hasn’t been crushed by water pressure.

161 Mattand  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:07:55am

re: #158 lawhawk

OT reply to your post:

Just saw my first Steve Lonegan for Congress graphic over the weekend. A fine piece of racist drivel posted by my cousin to Facebook which can be boiled down to “The illegal brown people have it better than our veterans.”

My question is: can you guys in North Jersey take him back? Pleeeeasse???

162 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:08:49am

Automation!

163 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:10:15am

re: #90 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Yes, agreed. And the same goes for vandalism. But it’s not being manipulated in order to be documented via photographs. You’re right. I would have no way of knowing if it were manipulated by other people before (I can imagine that patient records scattered along with shattered file cabinet drawers was not the way they were left), but I would expect that a photographer had not done so in order to get a better photograph.

But then, I’ve never been one to go in and stir stuff around just for the heck of it. I’m usually too much enchanted by what’s there when I step foot into the setting.

Like I said, that may be the photojournalism training coming out (and yes, I know there are abuses in photojournalism of manipulation as well).

My photography is “This is what I saw,” not “This is what I created with the pieces that were there.”

Like I said, it’s my personal preference.

Well said.

164 Mattand  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:10:44am

re: #162 Backwoods_Sleuth

Automation!

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Whoever determined the placement of the tear gas nozzle and the exhaust had either a warped sense of humor, or some serious issues, depending on your viewpoint.

165 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:11:23am

re: #161 Mattand

OT reply to your post:

Just saw my first Steve Lonegan for Congress graphic over the weekend. A fine piece of racist drivel posted by my cousin to Facebook which can be boiled down to “The illegal brown people have it better than our veterans.”

My question is: can you guys in North Jersey take him back? Pleeeeasse???

No.

The carpet bagger found himself a South Jersey district (previously held by Jon Runyan of the Iggles) to run. The guy is a walking disaster who is racist, misogynistic, and is an economic illiterate. He’s going to make people wish for Runyan back.

If voters in that district can’t see through that drivel and nonsense, and vote for someone who doesn’t have a (R) next to their name, then I don’t know what to tell you.

166 Lidane  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:13:05am

Laser-like focus on the important things:

167 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:15:14am

re: #159 Political Atheist

Follow-up on the “Ares Arms 80% AR-15 receiver” matter:

80% AR-15 Lower Receiver Determination Letter from the ATF

This one is regarding a forged aluminum receiver and the ATF says that the method normally used for metal ‘80% receivers’ is legal.

PSA: PlumCrazy Polymer Lowers ILLEGAL Says Letter from BATFE

This second one concerns a brand of (complete) polymer AR-15 receivers that stopped being sold in 2011. Thousands were made but it turns out the method ‘PlumCrazy’ used to attach the serial numbers to the receivers made the numbers so easy to remove as to make the receivers illegal.

If anyone here knows or meets someone with one of these ‘PlumCrazy’ rifle receivers, advise them to destroy it or turn it in to the ATF at once. The penalty for being caught with an illegal gun is 5-10 years in federal prison, with no parole.

168 Mattand  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:15:28am

re: #165 lawhawk

>No.

The carpet bagger found himself a South Jersey district (previously held by Jon Runyan of the Iggles) to run. The guy is a walking disaster who is racist, misogynistic, and is an economic illiterate. He’s going to make people wish for Runyan back.

If voters in that district can’t see through that drivel and nonsense, and vote for someone who doesn’t have a (R) next to their name, then I don’t know what to tell you.

What if we pay the postage?

In my district, the GOP is actually going back to the Eagles playbook. Guy named Gary Cobb. I can almost hear the planning meeting: “Hey, it worked before!”

Big problem is that this district has been solid blue for decades. Of course, the downside is that one of the Norcross clan is throwing in his hat for the Dem nom.

I have a bad feeling about this…

169 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:15:35am

How is life?

I have a short time to visit.

It’s breezy in my part of the world.

170 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:16:09am

re: #166 Lidane

Laser-like focus on the important things:

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Because it’s so productive to obliterate a dead horse?

171 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:18:22am
172 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:18:59am

re: #170 FemNaziBitch

Get to the point.
Dead Horse Point State Park

Why beat a dead horse, when you can simply drive them onto a spit of land without water, and let ‘em starve.

173 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:19:01am
In 2013, the union membership rate—the percent of wage and salary workers who were members of unions—was 11.3 percent.

And lets face it. The hotel, restaurant, and other service unions along with farm worker unions have little to no effect on any company as they’re the most muted with no power. Leaving an even smaller sector of workers as unionized. Some of these others left are emergency workers. Cops and nurses, etc. need to be paid well and have good work conditions to maintain the health of their respective fields. All these anti union claims are bullshit. Every gathering of human beings is going to have exploitative pigs feeding at the trough.

174 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:20:58am

re: #170 FemNaziBitch

Because it’s so productive to obliterate a dead horse?

McCain and Graham are trying to get Graham over 50% in the June South Carolina primary. Graham gets that and his reelection is all but assured. If he does not he’s in big trouble, because South Carolina is a runoff state and all of his challengers have vowed to endorse the one of them who would face Graham in the run-off. Graham would also face a good bit of outside attack ads calling him a RINO.

Given that, Lindsey Graham and his allies will do whatever they need to round up the votes to get him over 50%. In that they have my support, since I’m prepared to tolerate a great deal of “BENGHAZI!!!11” silliness to keep Graham’s seat in sane hands.

175 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:21:53am
176 GunstarGreen  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:23:02am

re: #173 Amory Blaine

A whole lot of union-hate is grounded in envy. They resent those that have jobs that don’t suck as much as theirs, and resent those that have the guts to band together and exert the power of labor: Without us, your product doesn’t get made and you don’t make money, so you damned well better treat us with the respect and compensation which we are due.

The American Worker is a strange creature. Most of them have been bred to believe that they don’t get any respect unless they run the place. That it’s perfectly fine for their employers to treat them like shit and pay them less than they’re worth. It’s been beaten into them so many times that they’ve accepted it as normal, and they resent anyone that dares to show that it’s NOT normal, that it’s NOT okay and that you CAN have better for yourself if you’ll just swallow your pride and that “bootstraps” nonsense and stand up for better conditions.

They suffer, so why shouldn’t those yoonyun assholes have to suffer too?

177 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:24:11am

re: #172 lawhawk

Get to the point.
Dead Horse Point State Park

Why beat a dead horse, when you can simply drive them onto a spit of land without water, and let ‘em starve.

We were once going camping at Dead Horse State Park. I was asking for directions, whereupon we were told, “Just follow the smell and look for the hooves sticking up out of the ground!”

178 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:24:15am

re: #173 Amory Blaine

And lets face it. The hotel, restaurant, and other service unions along with farm worker unions have little to no effect on any company as they’re the most muted with no power. Leaving an even smaller sector of workers as unionized. Some of these others left are emergency workers. Cops and nurses, etc. need to be paid well and have good work conditions to maintain the health of their respective fields. All these anti union claims are bullshit. Every gathering of human beings is going to have exploitative pigs feeding at the trough.

Even worse:

“—Public-sector workers had a union membership rate (35.3 percent) more than five times higher than that of private-sector workers (6.7 percent).
(See table 3.)

uuio;lkj

179 Lidane  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:25:29am

re: #174 Dark_Falcon

You’re calling Lindsey Graham sane? Heh.

180 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:26:46am

re: #177 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Well, if you’re going out that way now, you’d follow the pipeline workers and drilling rig operators that are working just off Utah Scenic Highway Rt 313, which leads right into the park.

181 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:26:46am

re: #176 GunstarGreen

A whole lot of union-hate is grounded in envy. They resent those that have jobs that don’t suck as much as theirs, and resent those that have the guts to band together and exert the power of labor: Without us, your product doesn’t get made and you don’t make money, so you damned well better treat us with the respect and compensation which we are due.

The American Worker is a strange creature. Most of them have been bred to believe that they don’t get any respect unless they run the place. That it’s perfectly fine for their employers to treat them like shit and pay them less than they’re worth. It’s been beaten into them so many times that they’ve accepted it as normal, and they resent anyone that dares to show that it’s NOT normal, that it’s NOT okay and that you CAN have better for yourself if you’ll just swallow your pride and that “bootstraps” nonsense and stand up for better conditions.

They suffer, so why shouldn’t those yoonyun assholes have to suffer too?

It’s part of the whole scam that the 1% put over on everyone else. HURR HURR YOUR JUST JELLOUS THAT WERE BETTER & SMARTER THEN U, IT’S CLASS ENVY U LAZY MOOCHING JELLIES HURR HURR!!!!!!

182 Lidane  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:27:19am

re: #175 Pie-onist Overlord

That’s true for minorities and anyone who isn’t rich, too.

If you’re a straight white Christian guy that’s earning a six figure income or higher, voting Republican makes sense. For everyone else, it’s voting against your best interests.

183 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:27:44am

re: #162 Backwoods_Sleuth

Automation!

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Enforcement Droid 209 100, another fine product of Omni Consumer Products.

184 Lidane  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:28:38am

This bodes well for 2016:

185 Gus 802  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:30:32am

re: #184 Lidane

This bodes well for 2016:

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Maybe, but Iowa caucuses are about as important as CPAC straw polls. //

186 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:32:01am

I mean when a giant company like VW sits down and tells workers they endorse their organizing and the workers basically tells the company to GFY it boggles my fucking mind. People are just stupid I guess. How is it not being all bootstrappy to take responsibility as a collective to contribute to the larger org.?

187 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:33:23am

Happy Opening Day!

Long Island and parts of Connecticut getting hit with accumulating snow.

188 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:33:31am

re: #176 GunstarGreen

“Most of them have been bred to believe that they don’t get any respect unless they run the place.”

No place is that truer than NC, where only 3% of the workforce is unionized, most of it in govt. NC has always been a “right to work” state. There is no industry left in NC whatsoever, everything having been sent overseas, so fat lot of good it did people to actually think that.

I do know, since I worked a bit w/unions in the past, that the greatest barrier to unionization in NC was the fact that Blacks were in the forefront of the last big union drives in the late ’60s, early ’70s in the mills, furniture industry, the tire plants, etc. There is no way on earth that most of the white workers were going to allow Black folks to be in leadership positions, even when they were cutting their own throats in voting down the unions.

189 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:34:18am

bbl

190 makeitstop  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:34:40am

re: #187 lawhawk

Happy Opening Day!

Long Island and parts of Connecticut getting hit with accumulating snow.

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Yep, we got about 4 inches here. Nobody even saw it coming.

191 Gus 802  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:36:45am

re: #186 Amory Blaine

I mean when a giant company like VW sits down and tells workers they endorse their organizing and the workers basically tells the company to GFY it boggles my fucking mind. People are just stupid I guess. How is it not being all bootstrappy to take responsibility as a collective to contribute to the larger org.?

Wasn’t VW but rather the German VW union leader,

192 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:38:19am

re: #191 Gus

Thanks for the correction. The company was not hostile to the workers unionizing though.

193 Gus 802  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:39:55am

re: #192 Amory Blaine

Thanks for the correction. The company was not hostile to the workers unionizing though.

Not that I saw. VW plant in Mexico is accelerating output in recent months. That plant is allegedly one of the largest auto plants in North America.

194 GeneJockey  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:40:06am

re: #188 Justanotherhuman

“Most of them have been bred to believe that they don’t get any respect unless they run the place.”

No place is that truer than NC, where only 3% of the workforce is unionized, most of it in govt. NC has always been a “right to work” state. There is no industry left in NC whatsoever, everything having been sent overseas, so fat lot of good it did people to actually think that.

I do know, since I worked a bit w/unions in the past, that the greatest barrier to unionization in NC was the fact that Blacks were in the forefront of the last big union drives in the late ’60s, early ’70s in the mills, furniture industry, the tire plants, etc. There is no way on earth that most of the white workers were going to allow Black folks to be in leadership positions, even when they were cutting their own throats in voting down the unions.

My brother used to work for the Department of Occupational Safety and Health in the Department of Labor in NC. You can imagine how folks like him were viewed by the citizens of NC.

The way I look at it is that these are pretty much the same gullible chumps who went off to kill and die so that rich white people could own and steal labor from black people, and to this day they aren’t ashamed of how easily duped they were.

I find it REAL hard to look on folks like that without contempt. They are literally the half of the working class Jay Gould could pay to kill the other half.

195 Jim D  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:41:04am

re: #182 Lidane

I match a lot of that description, but I would add that under those conditions voting GOP is still only in someone’s best interests if their interests are primarily selfish financial ones.

I certainly have financial interests, but voting republican makes no sense for me because I care more about civil rights, healthcare and science.

196 Gus 802  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:41:11am

VW Mexico - Google Search

197 GeneJockey  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:45:56am

One aspect of the ‘Hobby Lobby’ case I haven’t seen mentioned often enough - Hobby Lobby is a legal fiction, created by its owners to separate its liabilities from their assets. If Hobby Lobby goes bankrupt, the company’s creditors will not show up at the owners’ doorstep to repossess the car, foreclose the house, and confiscate their other possessions.

Hobby Lobby’s owners have thus declared that Hobby Lobby is NOT them, that they are separate. And yet now they want us to believe that Hobby Lobby = them, and thus that it shares their religious beliefs. Perhaps we should allow them their ‘religious freedom’ if they disincorporate, and put their own personal assets at risk, and pay the personal income tax rate on all HL’s profits?

Just spitballing here….

198 palomino  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:46:14am

re: #174 Dark_Falcon

McCain and Graham are trying to get Graham over 50% in the June South Carolina primary. Graham gets that and his reelection is all but assured. If he does not he’s in big trouble, because South Carolina is a runoff state and all of his challengers have vowed to endorse the one of them who would face Graham in the run-off. Graham would also face a good bit of outside attack ads calling him a RINO.

Given that, Lindsey Graham and his allies will do whatever they need to round up the votes to get him over 50%. In that they have my support, since I’m prepared to tolerate a great deal of “BENGHAZI!!!11” silliness to keep Graham’s seat in sane hands.

You really think this is about Graham? How will you explain the next two years—after Graham gets re-elected—when he and McCain are still harping on Benghazi the same way they are now?

This isn’t about Graham. This is about Hillary. Graham and McCain are the GOP’s designated hatchet men on military issues. So they will get trotted out regularly to act outraged over Benghazi until the 2016 election is over. Unless Hillary chooses not to run, of course. At that point, Benghazi will suddenly be a much less important issue in gop eyes.

199 Gus 802  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:47:13am

[Whistles]

200 iossarian  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:47:47am

re: #197 GeneJockey

You seem to be laboring under the illusion that the US legal system’s perception of corporations is supposed to make sense, rather than being a convenient tool for enabling well-connected people to skip out of paying their share of societal costs.

201 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:48:54am

Some butthurt over the Red States Are Welfare States meme:
HURR HURR!!! LIBTURDS IS TEH MEANYHEADS!!!!!!!
(Sorry for the AmericanStinker link. You don’t have to go there, the article is just a bunch of whinging bullshit—Red States are still totally Teh Welfare Takers)

202 Gus 802  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:49:26am

This is well deserved. I hate it when anyone organization or individual engages in this sort of libel.

204 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:52:05am

re: #85 Rev_Arthur_Belling

While I like those photos of abandoned asylums (and really most of the “abandoned” genre), the top photo and several of the others are too cute by half. The tricycle is obviously staged, as is the TV in #21.

Actually, no. Here’s the caption for that photo:

Part of the Quimby violent ward was converted for use by children some time between the 1960s and the hospital’s abandonment. There were toys strewn about in this section, and someone had set up a tricycle in the middle of the hallway.

205 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:52:11am
How to compose a successful critical commentary:
1.You should attempt to re-express your target’s position so clearly, vividly, and fairly that your target says, “Thanks, I wish I’d thought of putting it that way.
2.You should list any points of agreement (especially if they are not matters of general or widespread agreement).
3.You should mention anything you have learned from your target.
4.Only then are you permitted to say so much as a word of rebuttal or criticism.
206 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:55:04am

re: #202 Gus

Was this the “Saudi national” the RW media went all apeshit over?

207 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:55:33am

re: #205 Killgore Trout

3.You should mention anything you have learned from your target.

Tadpoles get louder when they grow!!
/

208 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:55:49am

re: #201 Pie-onist Overlord

The numbers are incontrovertible. The so-called blue states (Northeast, coastal states outside the South) are much more likely to be sending more money to DC than they get back. It’s the red states that are net recipients.

The Red and the Black. It’s the Red states that have been propped up by the evil empires of NY, CT, NJ, and CA. Notable exceptions are TX, GA, and AR, which send more to the feds than gets back.

[ed - so far haven’t seen more recent figures, but they’d probably fit the trends in past years, including the GOP attempts to circumvent the hard fact that GOP-dominated states are net recipients of federal funds, supported in large part by the blue states they castigate on a daily basis.]

209 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:57:23am

re: #207 sattv4u2

3.You should mention anything you have learned from your target.

Tadpoles get louder when they grow!!
/

Always stock up on sour cream when you bring a baked potato for lunch.

210 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:57:44am

re: #208 lawhawk

The numbers are incontrovertible. The so-called blue states (Northeast, coastal states outside the South) are much more likely to be sending more money to DC than they get back. It’s the red states that are net recipients.

The Red and the Black. It’s the Red states that have been propped up by the evil empires of NY, CT, NJ, and CA. Notable exceptions are TX, GA, and AR, which send more to the feds than gets back.

The argument over at American Stinker is all HURR HURR!!!! DEMOCRATS IS TEH REAL RACISTS!!!!!!

Meanwhile they just go on spamming their Fake Maps for “FBI Gun Violence!” and “Taxpayers Who Voted!”

211 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:58:30am

re: #209 Killgore Trout

Always stock up on sour cream when you bring a baked potato for lunch.

Post it note on my steering wheel this morning reminded to go back in the house and get some!!!

212 Gus 802  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 8:58:40am

re: #206 Eclectic Cyborg

Was this the “Saudi national” the RW media went all apeshit over?

Would have to be. Didn’t click. That first kid that showed up at the hospital and a lot of people went derp.

213 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:01:16am

Heh.

Youtube Video

214 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:02:18am

I’m sorry this young man took his own life, but in no way should MIT or JSTOR be held accountable for it, no matter how GG feels or how he tries to paint Swartz as just another “whistleblower”. If anything, this article shows the flaws within MIT’s own IT security and how its “open door” policy led to the criminal actions of Swartz.

215 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:05:26am

re: #203 Killgore Trout

How to Criticize with Kindness: Philosopher Daniel Dennett on the Four Steps to Arguing Intelligently

Dennett is an obnoxious anti-Muslim atheist. Maybe he can argue intelligently, but I don’t think he can argue compassionately.

216 Gus 802  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:05:30am

Shocking news!

“Millennials mired in wealth gap as older Americans gain…”

LA Times. The “oldest” millennials are, 32 years old. Must be rough. What with being so old, 32, and not being as wealthy as those older than you.

217 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:06:02am

re: #214 Justanotherhuman

I’m sorry this young man took his own life, but in no way should MIT or JSTOR be held accountable for it, no matter how GG feels or how he tries to paint Swartz as just another “whistleblower”. If anything, this article shows the flaws within MIT’s own IT security and how its “open door” policy led to the criminal actions of Swartz.

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IIRC he was also offered a very generous plea deal of just a couple months in prison. The claims that he was over zealously prosecuted are untrue.

218 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:07:50am

re: #216 Gus

Shocking news!

“Millennials mired in wealth gap as older Americans gain…”

LA Times. The “oldest” millennials are, 32 years old. Must be rough. What with being so old, 32, and not being as wealthy as those older than you.

heh

“They” think that if the NBA or the NFL or American Idol hasn’t made them incredibly wealthy by the time they are 25, their life is wasted!

219 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:08:28am

re: #215 wrenchwench

Dennett is an obnoxious anti-Muslim atheist. Maybe he can argue intelligently, but I don’t think he can argue compassionately.

Hi, Wrenchwench…..do you know where I can get my hands on a cheap rear-wheel hub, for a single-speed bike w/coaster brake?

It’s a 26-inch wheel with 36 spokes total.

220 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:09:26am

re: #217 Killgore Trout

IIRC he was also offered a very generous plea deal of just a couple months in prison. The claims that he was over zealously prosecuted are untrue.

Hackers, more than any other group it seems, need their heroes, no matter how many crimes they commit. Just because you might not be interested in making money from it (at the time you’re breaking in, at least), doesn’t give you an ethics pass, either.

221 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:09:29am
222 Gus 802  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:09:51am

re: #218 sattv4u2

heh

“They” think that if the NBA or the NFL or American Idol hasn’t made them incredibly wealthy by the time they are 25, their life is wasted!

Boo-hoo! Yeah, birth range is 1982-2000 for millennials. I’ll be fair and start crying for those poor suffering 18 year olds whose 401Ks totally suck. No justice! No peace! //

223 jaunte  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:10:44am

re: #221 Pie-onist Overlord

I shot the sheriff.
(But I did not shoot the deputy).

224 b.d.  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:10:47am

re: #221 Pie-onist Overlord

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Fake aliens have killed FAR more people in movies than those folks pictured.

225 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:11:16am

re: #224 b.d.

Fake aliens have killed >FAR more people in movies than those folks pictured.

AND MONSTERS!!!!

226 Skip Intro  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:13:06am

Meet The Press with Rudy on Christie, followed by tough questioning from host Chuck Todd:

MR. GIULIANI: Well, I would say it’s a vindication of the position that the governor didn’t know beforehand and didn’t order it about as clear as you can get it barring these two or three witnesses who might have something different to say now than they said then. But based on what they were saying back then with witnesses who were interviewed, it is a vindication of the fact that the governor didn’t know beforehand…

TODD: Yeah.

227 Gus 802  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:13:39am

re: #218 sattv4u2

heh

“They” think that if the NBA or the NFL or American Idol hasn’t made them incredibly wealthy by the time they are 25, their life is wasted!

Give it a couple of years and they’ll have college student unions filing grievances to the NLRB. //

228 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:14:22am

re: #225 Pie-onist Overlord

AND MONSTERS!!!!

Let’s not forget Mother Nature herself in Roland Emmerich’s ultimate disaster movie 2012, where the body count was presumably in the billions.

229 iossarian  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:15:14am

re: #216 Gus

Shocking news!

“Millennials mired in wealth gap as older Americans gain…”

LA Times. The “oldest” millennials are, 32 years old. Must be rough. What with being so old, 32, and not being as wealthy as those older than you.

On the other hand, it’s not all that surprising that if you build a society around telling everyone all the time that having lots of money and spending it on tacky shit is the One True Path, you’ll end up with disaffection and malaise if you can’t actually roll that out to a substantial majority of the population, as is currently the case.

230 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:15:56am

re: #221 Pie-onist Overlord

I’m pretty sure the movie 2012 on its own killed millons. What a stupid argument.

231 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:16:08am

re: #224 b.d.

Fake aliens have killed >FAR more people in movies than those folks pictured.

And how many times would Tom and Jerry, Roadrunner, Elmer Fudd, Buggs Bunny, Daffy Duck, etc., have killed each other if they had truly blown each other up with dynamite, been shot at point-blank range with a shotgun or cannon, run off a cliff, had a a 16-ton weight dropped on them, etc?

OWN UP TO CARTOON VIOLENCE!!!

232 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:17:04am

re: #230 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m pretty sure the movie 2012 on its own killed millons. What a stupid argument.

It’s as if millions of voices cried out…and were silenced!

233 iossarian  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:17:28am

re: #229 iossarian

On the other hand, it’s not all that surprising that if you build a society around telling everyone all the time that having lots of money and spending it on tacky shit is the One True Path, you’ll end up with disaffection and malaise if you can’t actually roll that out to a substantial majority of the population, as is currently the case.

It’s also obvious (to take an example from higher ed) that if you went to a decent college in the past 20 years or so, and you wind up in a typical middle class career path, that you’ll be screwed when your own kids get to that age.

234 Gus 802  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:18:40am

re: #229 iossarian

On the other hand, it’s not all that surprising that if you build a society around telling everyone all the time that having lots of money and spending it on tacky shit is the One True Path, you’ll end up with disaffection and malaise if you can’t actually roll that out to a substantial majority of the population, as is currently the case.

I see plenty in Denver. They’re all going to bars in their free time or buying $25 burgers at the hipster joint or buying $12 six packs of beer. They don’t seem to worried but then again this is Denver and not either coast.

235 iossarian  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:18:42am

BUY THIS NEW AUDI AND YOU WILL BE HAPPY

(Only ~5% of 20-35 year-olds watching this basketball game can afford a new car)

236 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:18:53am

Moar fakes!!!1!

I’m pretty sure that’s a sunrise, not a sunset.

237 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:19:02am

re: #215 wrenchwench

Looks like an interesting book
Intuition Pumps And Other Tools for Thinking

238 Lidane  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:19:06am

re: #221 Pie-onist Overlord

By that logic, we should hold the authors of the Bible accountable for the untold number of deaths directly related to the words on the page.

Oh, wait. That doesn’t count for some reason.

239 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:19:41am

re: #226 Skip Intro

Great moments in investigative journalism. /

240 iossarian  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:20:37am

re: #234 Gus

I see plenty in Denver. They’re all going to bars in their free time or buying $25 burgers at the hipster joint or buying $12 six packs of beer. They don’t seem to worried but then again this is Denver and not either coast.

That’s dangerously close to “they have cell phones so they must be comfortably off” in my mind. I agree that young people spend money on frivolous activity (they always have to some extent) but that doesn’t detract from the fact that a mid-level white collar job is going to mean you can’t afford to send your kids to a good university in 20 years’ time.

241 iossarian  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:22:33am

There are two sons-of-colleagues I know who finished college last year. Both pretty bright, both went to decent places (top 25% or so by selectivity). Both doing part-time work and apparently keen to get out of their parents’ apartments. Both, I imagine, occasionally purchase six-packs of beer.

No jobs.

242 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:23:03am

re: #230 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m pretty sure the movie 2012 on its own killed millons. What a stupid argument.

World population was a little over seven billion as of March 2012; in the film, 40 million were chosen to be survivors.

So 2012 has - I believe - the highest body count ever in any film, at roughly 6,960,000,000.

243 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:23:37am

re: #228 Dr Lizardo

Let’s not forget Mother Nature herself in Roland Emmerich’s ultimate disaster movie 2012, where the body count was presumably in the billions.

Or how about the Egyptians in Cecil B DeMille’s epic Ten Commandments? Either swallowed up in the Red Sea, killed in the slaying of the first born, or any of the other plagues that befell the Egyptians in the course of retelling the story?

244 Lidane  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:23:48am
245 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:24:51am

re: #219 Dr Lizardo

Hi, Wrenchwench…..do you know where I can get my hands on a cheap rear-wheel hub, for a single-speed bike w/coaster brake?

It’s a 26-inch wheel with 36 spokes total.

Those should be a dime a dozen, ie not worth the shipping for me to send you one of mine. Look for a bent wheel or an abandoned bike to salvage one from. Could be a kid sized bike, as long as the spoke count is right.

The one on your ‘new’ bike couldn’t be fixed? That was my first-ever bike mechanic deed, overhauling one of those. Bought the bike for $2.50, bought the book for $10.

246 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:24:56am

re: #242 Dr Lizardo

Oblivion has higher body count - all but handful of survivors of an alien invasion where clones of Tom Cruise service droids that splatter survivors without remorse.

247 iossarian  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:27:09am

Colleges experimenting with ending discount pricing: effectively saying - we can’t continue to subsidize lower-income kids with high tuition for the rich ones (who keep the whole thing going).

insidehighered.com

248 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:27:19am
249 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:29:45am

re: #245 wrenchwench

Those should be a dime a dozen, ie not worth the shipping for me to send you one of mine. Look for a bent wheel or an abandoned bike to salvage one from. Could be a kid sized bike, as long as the spoke count is right.

The one on your ‘new’ bike couldn’t be fixed? That was my first-ever bike mechanic deed, overhauling one of those. Bought the bike for $2.50, bought the book for $10.

I’ve been looking for one here. Cheapest I’ve seen is 500 crowns, roughly $25 USD. I’ll check out the scrapyards - because here, that’s where any bike over 10 years usually ends up. Also, people steal them and sell them for scrap value.

The old one is hopelessly frozen - it’s totally shot; replacement is cheaper.

250 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:31:22am

re: #237 Killgore Trout

Looks like an interesting book
Intuition Pumps And Other Tools for Thinking

Maybe it is, but he already lost me.

251 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:32:18am

re: #249 Dr Lizardo

I’ve been looking for one here. Cheapest I’ve seen is 500 crowns, roughly $25 USD. I’ll check out the scrapyards - because here, that’s where any bike over 10 years usually ends up. Also, people steal them and sell them for scrap value.

The old one is hopelessly frozen - it’s totally shot; replacement is cheaper.

New ones here run about $30.

252 Lidane  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:35:44am

Because they don’t have one and don’t want one?

I thought this was pretty obvious.

253 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:36:22am

re: #251 wrenchwench

New ones here run about $30.

The problem here is usually finding these kinds of parts. I’ll hunt around for one, and I’m sure I’ll find one eventually.

I’m going to have to improvise a brake pad for the front brake, or order one online. That part doesn’t even exist here in the Czech Republic anymore - the shops I went to earlier all said they’d have to order them from Germany. And of course, the “shipping” is about $10 less than I actually paid for the bike.

Shipping, my ass…..more like “middleman’s fee.”

254 Kafitrar  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:37:04am

re: #174 Dark_Falcon

Given that, Lindsey Graham and his allies will do whatever they need to round up the votes to get him over 50%. In that they have my support, since I’m prepared to tolerate a great deal of “BENGHAZI!!!11” silliness to keep Graham’s seat in sane hands.

How does continually bringing up Benghazi equal sane?

255 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:38:57am

HURR HURR!!!!! WEE TEH PEOPLE CANS DEFEAT A STANDING ARMY WITH THERE TANKS & DRONEZ & F-35S WITH ARE GUNZ!!!!!

256 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:40:39am

re: #221 Pie-onist Overlord

Heh. It works for the video games too. “OMG yer killing the peeplzz!!!!” Um no, they’re moving pixels around on a screen. No goats were harmed.

Youtube Video

(NSFW language)

257 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:43:04am

HURR HURR!!!!! BUT THERE BODYGARDS HAS TEH GUNZ!!!!!!

258 Lidane  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:44:30am

re: #257 Pie-onist Overlord

WTF does that even mean? I’m too lazy to look for my Moran-to-English translator.

259 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:45:46am

re: #258 Lidane

WTF does that even mean? I’m too lazy to look for my Moran-to-English translator.

HURR HURR!!!!! TEH HOLLYWOOD CELEBRITIES WANTZ TO TAKE AWAY ARE GUNZ BUT THEY CAN HAS PROFESSIONAL SECURITY GUARD WITH TEH GUNS!!!!11!!!!

260 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:46:46am

How many people have been killed this year by celebrity bodyguards?

261 Mike Lamb  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:48:06am

re: #255 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!! WEE TEH PEOPLE CANS DEFEAT A STANDING ARMY WITH THERE TANKS & DRONEZ & F-35S WITH ARE GUNZ!!!!!

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The gun in the second pic would probably dislocate the guy’s shoulder if he was firing it haphazardly at a burglar. The kick from the gun in the bottom pic would send that lady into the next county if she tried to fire it from that position.

262 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:48:20am

re: #259 Pie-onist Overlord

263 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:48:48am

re: #253 Dr Lizardo

The problem here is usually finding these kinds of parts. I’ll hunt around for one, and I’m sure I’ll find one eventually.

I’m going to have to improvise a brake pad for the front brake, or order one online. That part doesn’t even exist here in the Czech Republic anymore - the shops I went to earlier all said they’d have to order them from Germany. And of course, the “shipping” is about $10 less than I actually paid for the bike.

Shipping, my ass…..more like “middleman’s fee.”

Are those the brakes that pull up to the rim? They are available here, I sell them for $7/pair. (That place only sells to bike shops.) The pads are made in Taiwan. Presumably they’d be available fairly widely, but it’s tough for little bike shops to stock those low-demand little parts.

264 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:49:44am

re: #262 Amory Blaine

[Embedded image]

Is that Bieb & his bodyguard?

Bieb should create a job for “Pants-puller-upper”

265 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:50:25am

re: #261 Mike Lamb

Hence the hashtag HUMOR, no?

266 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:52:04am

re: #263 wrenchwench

Are those the brakes that pull up to the rim? They are available here, I sell them for $7/pair. (That place only sells to bike shops.) The pads are made in Taiwan. Presumably they’d be available fairly widely, but it’s tough for little bike shops to stock those low-demand little parts.

It’s more like this: Image: 2535355636_7d172d65f8.jpg

267 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:52:46am

re: #265 sattv4u2

Hence the hashtag HUMOR, no?

Don’t know who originated that meme. The bottom photo looks like a spoof. But wingnuts honestly believe TEH 2ND AMENTMENT IS TO USE ARE GUNZ AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT!!!!! GEORGE WASHINGTON EVEN SAID SO!!!!!

268 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:53:07am

re: #265 sattv4u2

Hence the hashtag HUMOR, no?

That’s only there to provide cover for the hashtags #2ndamend #NRA #RedNationRising #UniteRight #guncontrol #WAAR #molonlabe #tcot, which correlate with insanity.

269 GunstarGreen  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:53:22am

re: #255 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!! WEE TEH PEOPLE CANS DEFEAT A STANDING ARMY WITH THERE TANKS & DRONEZ & F-35S WITH ARE GUNZ!!!!!

[Embedded content]

Unsupported one-armed firing of #2 would likely mangle that dude’s shoulder. #3 is only good for making terrible gun-porn, actually pulling the trigger on it would put that lady on her ass and the bullets nowhere even remotely close to the same zipcode as the target.

As usual, gun-porn only works if you are remarkably ignorant about guns. Why is it that those who fetishize firearms the most are always the absolute least-qualified to have any involvement with them?

270 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:54:27am

re: #266 Dr Lizardo

It’s more like this: Image: 2535355636_7d172d65f8.jpg

It may work better if you scraped some of the rust off, no !?!?!

//

271 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:56:48am

re: #223 jaunte

I shot the sheriff.
(But I did not shoot the deputy).

And if someone actually did that under the circumstances Bob Marley describes. their explanation likely wouldn’t matter: Most American juries would still find them guilty of murder.

If the sheriff shot the wrong man dead, by contrast, he might well not be convicted of anything. Special rules apply to law enforcement personnel.

272 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:57:23am

U.S. could free Israeli spy in deal to save peace talks: source close to talks

news.yahoo.com

273 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:57:28am

re: #266 Dr Lizardo

It’s more like this: Image: 2535355636_7d172d65f8.jpg

Whoa. That looks hazardous no matter what you do with it.

274 Skip Intro  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:57:52am

re: #229 iossarian

On the other hand, it’s not all that surprising that if you build a society around telling everyone all the time that having lots of money and spending it on tacky shit is the One True Path, you’ll end up with disaffection and malaise if you can’t actually roll that out to a substantial majority of the population, as is currently the case.

You mean like these people?

Google Glass “Explorers” gather for a group picture during a Google Glass meet-up at the Stanford Court Hotel in San Francisco, CA, Friday March 28, 2014.

275 Kragar  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:58:29am

Late last Friday, Arizona House Appropriations Chairman John Kavanagh (R-Fountain Hills) placed the extra funding into the budget because GEO Group’s lobbyists informed him that the company wasn’t profiting enough off of emergency beds it provides Arizona prisons.

“This is somebody getting a handout,” Arizona House Minority Leader Chad Campbell (D-Phoenix) said. “It’s unnecessary. This came out of nowhere — I mean that. No one said a word about it. It wasn’t in the Senate budget, it didn’t come as a request from DOC. There’s something really shady here.”

276 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:59:21am

re: #264 Pie-onist Overlord

Is that Bieb & his bodyguard?

Bieb should create a job for “Pants-puller-upper”

Not my problem. Probably Selena Gomez’ problem though (seeing as they’re reportedly engaged).

277 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 9:59:22am

re: #270 sattv4u2

It may work better if you scraped some of the rust off, no !?!?!

//

Heh. That’s not a photo of my bike….I can’t figure out how to upload photos from my camera.

What it uses is a leather pad that slips into a metal piece that forms the upper body of the brake. It’s so easy to find parts like this in Germany, especially in Berlin, where’s there bike shops galore, and there’s still a lot of these old beasties running around. I knew of four places in Kreuzberg district where I could get bike parts for free, but here it’s different. Old bikes like mine here have - for the most part - long been relegated to the scrapyards and melted down.

Germans would look at an old bike like the one I picked up and say, “Wow….what a great bike!” Czech look at an old bike like mine and think, “I wonder how much I’d get selling it for scrap?”.

278 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:00:04am

re: #273 wrenchwench

Whoa. That looks hazardous no matter what you do with it.

I actually prefer them. When used in conjunction with a coaster brake, it works really good.

279 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:00:46am

re: #277 Dr Lizardo

Well then, just get a few pairs of cheap sneakers and when you need to stop, just drag your feet on the ground. One pair wears through, toss them and wear another

280 Kragar  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:00:47am

WTF is this shit?

281 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:00:49am

re: #276 lawhawk

Not my problem. Probably Selena Gomez’ problem though (seeing as they’re reportedly engaged).

Well if his pants are totally sagged around his knees and he can’t walk, so the bodyguard is just supposed to pick him up & carry his delicate little ass around?

282 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:01:09am

re: #274 Skip Intro

You mean like these people?

[Embedded image]

Google Glass “Explorers” gather for a group picture during a Google Glass meet-up at the Stanford Court Hotel in San Francisco, CA, Friday March 28, 2014.

Do you know how they got them all together? By instant messaging through the Google glasses, even though they might have been standing right in front of them.

I just got a bad taste in my mouth. : )

283 iossarian  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:01:31am

re: #274 Skip Intro

You mean like these people?

[Embedded image]

Google Glass “Explorers” gather for a group picture during a Google Glass meet-up at the Stanford Court Hotel in San Francisco, CA, Friday March 28, 2014.

Not sure if I’m agreeing with you, but one thing I find disappointing about engineering/tech/nerd culture in general is that, for an environment supposedly composed of pretty intelligent people, it’s remarkably uncritical of consumerism.

284 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:01:49am

re: #280 Kragar

WTF is this shit?

[Embedded content]

He had on some asshole Juice to say those things for him.

285 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:01:57am

re: #281 Pie-onist Overlord

Well if his pants are totally sagged around his knees and he can’t walk, so the bodyguard is just supposed to pick him up & carry his delicate little ass around?

Well, it’s either carry his ass around, or give him a whupping for being a dumb-ass.

286 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:02:43am
“There’s no Hebrew word for retirement; the general rule is when there’s no Hebrew word for something, it’s a bad idea. For instance, there’s no Hebrew word for adolescent, because when you think about it an adolescent is just somebody who wants all the privileges of adulthood with none of the responsibilities,” Lapin told Robertson. “No word for adolescent, no word for retire and I’m very happy that you’ve taken that lesson to heart.” - See more at: rightwingwatch.org

There’s no Hebrew word for asshole.

Oh wait, there is. It’s “Daniel Lapin”

287 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:02:49am

Update on that Russia Finland thing: Finland Frets as Russia Launches Military Drills on Its Doorstep

According to Dr. Jonathan Eyal, international director at London’s Royal United Services Institute think tank, there is “no question” that these exercises show that Russia is testing its power in the region, which was reshaped by the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991.

“In pure capability terms, the Russians are preparing an operation,” Eyal said. “The question is: Is there an actual military threat? I do not think there will be.”
…
Andrew Kutchins, a senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, said the proximity of the drills had made the alarm most palpable in Finland.

“The people of Helsinki are nervous,” he said. “What Putin is doing is sending shock waves through Europe.” However, Kutchins added that the likelihood of immediate military action appeared “very far-fetched.”

288 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:03:40am

The Hebrew word for adolescent is “Naar”

Coincidentally, it is also the Yiddish word for “Fool”

289 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:04:34am

re: #280 Kragar

WTF is this shit?

[Embedded content]

I don’t think Pat should be talking about anybody else when the topic is diamonds.

290 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:04:46am

re: #264 Pie-onist Overlord

Is that Bieb & his bodyguard?

Bieb should create a job for “Pants-puller-upper”

Yep. His body guard hold him back from the press.

291 Kragar  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:05:23am

re: #284 Pie-onist Overlord

He had on some asshole Juice to say those things for him.


Lapin also repeated his claim that God doesn’t want people to retire, and commended Robertson for still hosting the 700 Club.

“There’s no Hebrew word for retirement; the general rule is when there’s no Hebrew word for something, it’s a bad idea. For instance, there’s no Hebrew word for adolescent, because when you think about it an adolescent is just somebody who wants all the privileges of adulthood with none of the responsibilities,” Lapin told Robertson. “No word for adolescent, no word for retire and I’m very happy that you’ve taken that lesson to heart.”

What is the Hebrew word for computer network, chemotherapy or algebra?

292 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:05:29am

Daniel Lapin=another fucking tool like Ben Shapiro, except he’s been doing it longer than Shapiro has been alive.

293 jaunte  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:05:51am

re: #280 Kragar

WTF is this shit?

[Embedded content]

Pick the most stupid way to further a bigoted stereotype while pretending to promote the service economy.

294 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:06:17am

re: #285 lawhawk

Well, it’s either carry his ass around, or give him a whupping for being a dumb-ass.

Justin Bieber should be whipped with a belt and then made to wear that same belt.

295 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:07:19am

Alexander-Khokhlov

highlike.org

296 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:07:50am

re: #287 Killgore Trout

He’s seeing just how far he can push envelopes. Waits and see what the reaction is. if none, he pushes a tad further. If there is a reaction, then he’s prepared to “negotiate” (Kerry and his rep have been having talks this week)

297 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:07:57am

Juice like Daniel Lapin provide cover for anti-Semites:
HURR HURR U CANTS CALL ME TEH ANTI-SEMITE BECAUSE A JUICE SAID IT!!!!!!!!!

298 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:08:14am

GM engineer OK’d sub-standard ignition switch -documents

reuters.com

(Reuters) - A General Motors engineer signed off on a design change for troubled ignition switches even though those changes did not meet company standards, according to documents provided to a U.S. House of Representatives panel.

“The document appeared to be in conflict with information provided by GM engineer Ray DeGiorgio during 2013 legal proceedings surrounding the company’s defective ignition switches that are linked to 13 deaths. “

299 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:10:01am

re: #298 Justanotherhuman

GM engineer OK’d sub-standard ignition switch -documents

reuters.com

(Reuters) - A General Motors engineer signed off on a design change for troubled ignition switches even though those changes did not meet company standards, according to documents provided to a U.S. House of Representatives panel.

“The document appeared to be in conflict with information provided by GM engineer Ray DeGiorgio during 2013 legal proceedings surrounding the company’s defective ignition switches that are linked to 13 deaths. “

GM is looking at serious liability for this one and Ray DeGiorgio is looking at a perjury charge.

300 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:10:39am

HEY DUMBASS: THERE IS NO MONTH OF APRIL IN THE HEBREW CALENDAR.

301 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:11:11am

re: #288 Pie-onist Overlord

The Hebrew word for adolescent is “Nahr”

Coincidentally, it is also the Yiddish word for “Fool”

The Overlords are quite wise.

302 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:12:05am

303 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:12:44am

re: #300 Pie-onist Overlord

HEY DUMBASS: THERE IS NO MONTH OF APRIL IN THE HEBREW CALENDAR.

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And if it was a fruitless task, wouldn’t it have been the date that Noah had sent out the raven instead of the dove?

/Nevermore

304 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:12:50am

Walking Dead complaints (no spoilers)
The show has some frustrating plot holes and inconsistencies that make it really hard to suspend disbelief. The science guy who knows what happened is around but nobody seems to ask him what actually happened. Last the the samurai chick told more of her story but nobody bothers to use her trick of using incapacitated walkers for safety. Her story also involves her boyfriend getting high before getting killed, the writers continue using alcohol/drugs as the bringer of all bad things. Also when Rick buries his guns it would have been so easy to cover them with plywood or plastic, he’s fucked if it rains. Also the people from terminus can’t shoot for shit, hundreds of rounds last night, nobody hit.

305 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:13:34am

re: #303 Dark_Falcon

And if it was a fruitless task, wouldn’t it have been the date that Noah had sent out the raven instead of the dove?

/Nevermore

These people claim to venerate the Bible but don’t bother to read it.

306 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:13:54am

re: #296 sattv4u2

He’s seeing just how far he can push envelopes. Waits and see what the reaction is. if none, he pushes a tad further. If there is a reaction, then he’s prepared to “negotiate” (Kerry and his rep have been having talks this week)

I’m really hoping Putin continues to guess correctly how much he can push. It’s a very dangerous game.

307 Kragar  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:15:13am

re: #305 Pie-onist Overlord

These people claim to venerate the Bible but don’t bother to read it.

From the same people who made Twilight a best seller.

308 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:15:46am

Gun-Fucking Meme of the Day

309 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:16:21am

That’s a very creepy sleeve tat.

310 Kragar  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:17:04am

re: #308 Pie-onist Overlord

Gun-Fucking Meme of the Day

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Ironic because the same assholes who spread it are the same ones who have the biggest stick up their ass about women serving in combat positions in the military.

311 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:17:05am

..and Carl (the little boy) could be a very interesting character but they’re trying to make him too likeable and sympathetic. They’re hinting that he’s going to become interesting eventually but it’s playing out way too slowly, they could use his character development to beef up the duller episodes.

312 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:17:46am

re: #215 wrenchwench

Dennett is an obnoxious anti-Muslim atheist. Maybe he can argue intelligently, but I don’t think he can argue compassionately.

Dennett, in his brilliant written work Darwin’s Dangerous Idea doesn’t mention Islam at any point.

When great thinkers like Dennett and Dawkins enter into the rough-and-tumble of Twitter and journal articles, they fuck up almost constantly. You’d never think that the Dennett who wrote Darwin’s Dangerous Idea was the same guy who wrote dumb tweets.

In a vaguely similar way, Chompsky is a genius who revolutionized linguistics and programming. He had, early on, smart counterpuntal things to say about politics. And then he fell down a hole.

313 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:19:06am

re: #308 Pie-onist Overlord

Gun-Fucking Meme of the Day

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I’m sorry, but all those tattoos look like shit; wouldn’t matter if it were a guy, either.

Not a fan of those or guns.

314 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:20:30am

re: #308 Pie-onist Overlord

Gun-Fucking Meme of the Day

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its true!

315 jaunte  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:20:42am

re: #308 Pie-onist Overlord

I hope the strength of our people won’t be judged by their punctuation.

316 danarchy  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:21:51am

re: #304 Killgore Trout

Walking Dead complaints (no spoilers)
Also the people from terminus can’t shoot for shit, hundreds of rounds last night, nobody hit.

Um wasn’t that addressed in the episode?

Spoiler

They weren’t trying to kill them, they were trying to herd them. My guess is they are actually cannibals and they are keeping them alive until the need to “harvest” them. As for Rick’s group not hitting anyone, it is hard to hit a target when you are on the run and being shot at.

317 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:23:06am

re: #315 jaunte

I hope the strength of our people won’t be judged by their punctuation.

Grammar Nazi!!!

/

318 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:23:19am

re: #316 danarchy

Um wasn’t that addressed in the episode?

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Ah, thanks.

319 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:23:53am

re: #295 Amory Blaine

Alexander-Khokhlov

highlike.org

Hey, in my world, the preferred is white on the left, black on the right. This is the opposite. It’s just wrong. They’re always wrong. /

320 GunstarGreen  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:25:28am

re: #308 Pie-onist Overlord

Gun-Fucking Meme of the Day

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But apparently not by the literacy of the men that make its lame-ass memes.

Freaking apostrophes man, how do they work?

Why is “being an idiot” a pre-requisite for being a gun fetishist?

321 Dr. Matt  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:25:58am

Yet another teabagger refusing to live in reality:

Recently uncovered a video of a Colorado Republican candidate claims: “If this guy is an American citizen [President Obama], he’s a different kind of American than virtually any that I know.”

Listen to video clip, he even evokes, Wright, Alinsky, Ayers, etc.

322 iossarian  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:28:14am

re: #308 Pie-onist Overlord

“The Strength of It’s Women”

AMERICAN, PEOPLE, LEARN HOW TO PUNCTUATE IT

323 Dr. Matt  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:28:34am

re: #316 danarchy

Um wasn’t that addressed in the episode?

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Yup. I completely agree….especially on their dietary habits. They sure have a lot of BBQ during a zombie apocalypse.

324 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:29:24am

re: #322 iossarian

“The Strength of It’s Women”

AMERICAN, PEOPLE, LEARN HOW TO PUNCTUATE IT

When they come to take our gun’s, they wont care about where we put our apostophe’s!!!

325 Lidane  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:29:57am

re: #304 Killgore Trout

Walking Dead complaints (no spoilers)
The show has some frustrating plot holes and inconsistencies that make it really hard to suspend disbelief.

It’s based on a comic book series set in the zombie apocalypse and you’re expecting accuracy? Alrighty then.

The science guy who knows what happened is around but nobody seems to ask him what actually happened.

This is a longer story from the comics that hasn’t unfolded yet. You can’t expect them to tell you everything upfront.

Last the the samurai chick told more of her story but nobody bothers to use her trick of using incapacitated walkers for safety. Her story also involves her boyfriend getting high before getting killed, the writers continue using alcohol/drugs as the bringer of all bad things.

Even she admits her trick was insane. Listen to her dialogue again.

And her story is tragic, FFS. It has less to do with alcohol and drugs and more to do with two people who could have defended people but chose to get distracted instead.

Also the people from terminus can’t shoot for shit, hundreds of rounds last night, nobody hit.

Apparently the concept of herding your prey eludes you. You clearly missed the obvious foreshadowing of the rabbit trap.

326 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:30:36am

re: #309 Pie-onist Overlord

That’s a very creepy sleeve tat.

Look on the bright side: In that photo the lady is non-absurdly dressed and she is showing proper trigger and muzzle discipline.

327 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:31:25am

re: #323 Dr. Matt

Yup. I completely agree….especially on their dietary habits. They sure have a lot of BBQ during a zombie apocalypse.

But do they have enough cleared space to grow fava beans?

328 Lidane  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:31:33am

Mental health break:

329 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:31:35am

re: #324 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

When they come to take our gun’s, they wont care about where we put our apostophe’s!!!

I see your apostrophe’s and raise you Oxford commas. /heathens!

330 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:32:00am

re: #326 Dark_Falcon

Look on the bright side: In that photo the lady is non-absurdly dressed and she is showing proper trigger and muzzle discipline.

and she is unlikely to be raped unless she puts the gun down and relaxes in the presence of her potential assailant and lets her guard down long enough for him to slip something in her drink…

331 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:32:32am

re: #261 Mike Lamb

The gun in the second pic would probably dislocate the guy’s shoulder if he was firing it haphazardly at a burglar. The kick from the gun in the bottom pic would send that lady into the next county if she tried to fire it from that position.

But Clint and Arnie use those all the time in movies? Are you saying that’s not possible?

Waaaah!

332 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:32:43am

re: #304 Killgore Trout

Walking Dead complaints (no spoilers)
The show has some frustrating plot holes and inconsistencies that make it really hard to suspend disbelief. The science guy who knows what happened is around but nobody seems to ask him what actually happened. Last the the samurai chick told more of her story but nobody bothers to use her trick of using incapacitated walkers for safety. Her story also involves her boyfriend getting high before getting killed, the writers continue using alcohol/drugs as the bringer of all bad things. Also when Rick buries his guns it would have been so easy to cover them with plywood or plastic, he’s fucked if it rains. Also the people from terminus can’t shoot for shit, hundreds of rounds last night, nobody hit.

Your last sentence, the Terminus shooters were deliberating missing. Rick and the others were being herded. Rick even said something about that.

333 iossarian  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:33:41am

re: #330 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

and she is unlikely to be raped unless she puts the gun down and relaxes in the presence of her potential assailant and lets her guard down long enough for him to slip something in her drink…

My personal rule now is that if anyone comes within 50 feet of me without pre-clearing their visit via the appropriate channels, I shoot them in the kneecaps.

Can’t be too careful.

334 Mattand  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:34:14am

re: #300 Pie-onist Overlord

HEY DUMBASS: THERE IS NO MONTH OF APRIL IN THE HEBREW CALENDAR.

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The fact that the account is named “Tea Party Education” is priceless.

335 danarchy  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:34:54am

re: #333 iossarian

My personal rule now is that if anyone comes within 50 feet of me without pre-clearing their visit via the appropriate channels, I shoot them in the kneecaps.

Can’t be too careful.

This would probably be a pretty good policy in the world of the Walking Dead

336 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:37:01am

re: #335 danarchy

This would probably be a pretty good policy in the world of the Walking Dead

Or in any state with Stand Your Ground legislation on the books…

337 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:38:16am

re: #330 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

and she is unlikely to be raped unless she puts the gun down and relaxes in the presence of her potential assailant and lets her guard down long enough for him to slip something in her drink…

There’s no such thing as complete security. Guns don’t guard against drugs, though vigilance can. But the M-14 is a worthy rifle, requiring skill in its use. It is also manufactured in my home state of Illinois.

338 iossarian  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:39:17am

re: #337 Dark_Falcon

There’s no such thing as complete security. Guns don’t guard against drugs, though vigilance can. But the M-14 is a worthy rifle, requiring skill in its use. It is also manufactured in my home state of Illinois.

I was about to condemn your defense of guns, but then I noticed that you used “its” correctly, so I’ll let you off.

339 Kragar  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:40:00am

As long as you never trust any human being ever for even one moment, security is easy.

340 Lidane  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:40:21am
341 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:40:30am

re: #308 Pie-onist Overlord

Gun-Fucking Meme of the Day

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I’m sorry. But I’m leary of anybody sporting that many tattoos.

342 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:40:51am

re: #341 Romantic Heretic

I’m sorry. But I’m leary of anybody sporting that many tattoos.

leery

343 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:41:39am

re: #342 Pie-onist Overlord

leery

Not if you’re Timothy

344 The Awkward Guy  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:42:38am

re: #320 GunstarGreen

But apparently not by the literacy of the men that make its lame-ass memes.

Freaking apostrophes man, how do they work?

Why is “being an idiot” a pre-requisite for being a gun fetishist?

Because gun fetishism is idiotic in and of itself.

345 Mattand  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:42:44am

re: #341 Romantic Heretic

I’m sorry. But I’m leary of anybody sporting that many tattoos.

Eh. As someone else noted, I’m more bugged by the shitty grammar.

And the whole “If you aren’t a walking arsenal, you’re a shitty American” implication.

346 jaunte  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:42:53am

Never-ending tide of bullshit.

“…right-wing critics have charged that CSCOPE promotes Marxism, radical Islam and other ills while at the same time undermining patriotism and Christianity.”
tfninsider.org

347 GunstarGreen  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:43:41am

Basically, what it boils down to? In the case of the vast majority of gun-fucking memes, there are near-zero situations where GUNZ!!1!!1!!1 would have helped someone defend themselves noticeably better than a good can of mace. They have become totems. Religious symbols granted divine import without a shred of thought as to the practical realities of the situation.

348 jaunte  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:43:49am
“Panelists were tasked with finding “bad things” but couldn’t, said State Board of Education member Pat Hardy, R-Weatherford.

The politicians and activists who fanned the controversy, however, are “not going to want to give it up because they would have to admit they were wrong,” said Hardy, who is running for re-election and has been beating back CSCOPE attacks in her campaign for the March 4 primary.”

349 Kragar  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:44:24am

re: #343 sattv4u2

Not if you’re Timothy

Hungry as hell, no food to eat, and Joe said that he would sell his soul for just a piece of meat.

350 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:44:39am

re: #335 danarchy

This would probably be a pretty good policy in the world of the Walking Dead

No knee capping, headshots only.

351 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:44:43am

re: #346 jaunte

Never-ending tide of bullshit.

right-wing critics who have never bothered to take the time to study it have charged that CSCOPE promotes Marxism, radical Islam and other ills while at the same time undermining patriotism and Christianity because somebody told them they heard that was the case…

352 Mattand  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:45:06am

re: #336 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Or in any state with Stand Your Ground legislation on the books…

As many problems as New Jersey has, I’m really glad we don’t have to deal with SYG, or creationism, or the nuttiness our southern and midwestern brethren indulge in.

353 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:46:30am
354 GeneJockey  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:49:58am

re: #216 Gus

Shocking news!

“Millennials mired in wealth gap as older Americans gain…”

LA Times. The “oldest” millennials are, 32 years old. Must be rough. What with being so old, 32, and not being as wealthy as those older than you.

I suspect the problem isn’t that they aren’t making as much as people older than they are do NOW, but rather that they aren’t making as much as people older than they did AT THE SAME AGE.

We were discussing this at dinner the other night with our kids and the older boy’s girlfriend*, that a lot of older folks think that the world is just like it was when THEY were fresh out of college, that there are good paying jobs that these kids aren’t taking because they all majored in Art History or Underwater Basketweaving or such. ‘Tain’t so.

*He’s got a girlfriend!!! How cool is that? This is the Aspergerian with the severe social anxiety! Ans she’s SO NICE, my wife told me she was ready to take her out to pick out wedding dresses.

355 Lidane  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:50:35am

Ginni Thomas is married to Clarence Thomas, BTW.

Also, read this and tell me again how the RWNJs are patriots:

She went on to reject the idea of secular government, warning that it leads to human rights abuses, and to call President Obama a “tyrant.”

“Secular is somehow saying there’s no God, there’s no higher power, there’s no higher law,” she said. “You can’t say that because then when you have a tyrant in power - which you often, sadly, do - and I believe there’s aspects of tyranny in who you have in power now - then whole groups of people, their rights are not respected, their rights are not protected and you have human rights abuses.”

Because religious states have had such sterling human rights records. And the Founders totally made the US a Christian nation. That’s why they established Christianity as the state religion. //////////

356 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:50:57am

re: #353 NJDhockeyfan

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That’s just an emergency communications plane. Like President Obama, Putin has one close wherever he goes. And honestly, it is something the president of Russia really does need.

357 GeneJockey  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:52:56am

re: #304 Killgore Trout

Walking Dead complaints (no spoilers)
The show has some frustrating plot holes and inconsistencies that make it really hard to suspend disbelief. The science guy who knows what happened is around but nobody seems to ask him what actually happened. Last the the samurai chick told more of her story but nobody bothers to use her trick of using incapacitated walkers for safety. Her story also involves her boyfriend getting high before getting killed, the writers continue using alcohol/drugs as the bringer of all bad things. Also when Rick buries his guns it would have been so easy to cover them with plywood or plastic, he’s fucked if it rains. Also the people from terminus can’t shoot for shit, hundreds of rounds last night, nobody hit.

They were herding, not trying to kill or wound. They very carefully maneuvered our heroes into an open space where they had to choose between being killed and going into the boxcar.

358 GunstarGreen  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:54:12am

re: #355 Lidane

Worth repeating, as this response from Thomas clearly demonstrates it: The Religious Right believes — fundamentally believes — that gay people are either not real people, or not deserving of the same rights as everyone else. They literally do not care that gay people don’t have the same rights as they do. They do not see it as a problem.

359 GeneJockey  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:54:33am

re: #355 Lidane

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Ginni Thomas is married to Clarence Thomas, BTW.

Also, read this and tell me again how the RWNJs are patriots:

Because religious states have had such sterling human rights records. And the Founders totally made the US a Christian nation. That’s why they established Christianity as the state religion. //////////

No true Scotsman….

360 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:58:55am

re: #357 GeneJockey

They were herding, not trying to kill or wound. They very carefully maneuvered our heroes into an open space where they had to choose between being killed and going into the boxcar.

an unlocked boxcar with cattle in it. Nobody tries to escape when Rick opens the door. I get the herding thing but there’s easier and safer ways to coral people than using 100’s of rounds of valuable ammo. It wouldn’t have taken much to make the set look like it was a secured route to coral people, just like a rain covering on the gun stash. The show production misses so many little touches and plot holes that it becomes distracting. At least on a show like Lost the audience will overlook things if they think there’ll be an explanation later on. It’s pretty sloppy for such a big hit show.

361 GeneJockey  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:04:38am

re: #360 Killgore Trout

an unlocked boxcar with cattle in it. Nobody tries to escape when Rick opens the door. I get the herding thing but there’s easier and safer ways to coral people than using 100’s of rounds of valuable ammo. It wouldn’t have taken much to make the set look like it was a secured route to coral people, just like a rain covering on the gun stash. The show production misses so many little touches and plot holes that it becomes distracting. At least on a show like Lost the audience will overlook things if they think there’ll be an explanation later on. It’s pretty sloppy for such a big hit show.

I dunno. It worked pretty well to cow and demoralize them, and make it clear who was in charge, and all without having anything that would have been obvious from the outside.

Remember also that the point of the program is to entertain and manipulate your emotions, not present an alternative reality in a logically unassailable fashion.

362 Lidane  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:05:10am

re: #360 Killgore Trout

At least on a show like Lost the audience will overlook things if they think there’ll be an explanation later on. It’s pretty sloppy for such a big hit show.

You think the audience that followed Lost overlooked details or let the writers do what they wanted? El Oh El. Clearly you missed the huge kerfuffle over the Lost finale.

As usual, you prove you have no fucking idea what you’re talking about.

363 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:05:18am

It would have taken just a few minutes of air time to show that Terminus had a reliable a secure way to coral people than haphazardly chasing them around with gunfire.

364 Lidane  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:06:26am

re: #363 Killgore Trout

Great. Fine. Then do us all a favor and don’t watch The Walking Dead anymore.

365 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:08:27am

re: #363 Killgore Trout

re: #364 Lidane

Great. Fine. Then do us all a favor and don’t watch The Walking Dead anymore.

And don’t eat broccoli,,, and don’t drink tea,,, and never walk on the sunny side of the street,, and don’t use the letter “Q” on Wednesdays ,,,,

{sigh}

366 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:10:10am

re: #360 Killgore Trout

Killgore, stop nitpicking. It makes you look silly and it annoys everyone else.

367 Lidane  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:11:05am

re: #365 sattv4u2

And don’t eat broccoli,,, and don’t drink tea,,, and never walk on the sunny side of the street,, and don’t use the letter “Q” on Wednesdays ,,,,

{sigh}

The point is that the herding scene in Terminus was foreshadowed earlier in the show. And what’s more interesting in a season finale, watching some douche give a guided tour of Terminus or bullets flying as you get that same tour with some truly disturbing imagery thrown in?

It’s just more of KT’s idiotic trolling, only this time he’s trying to fact check a zombie apocalypse show.

368 GeneJockey  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:11:14am

re: #363 Killgore Trout

It would have taken just a few minutes of air time to show that Terminus had a reliable a secure way to coral people than haphazardly chasing them around with gunfire.

You saw haphazard. I saw carefully prepared and practiced.

Doors shut right before they got to them, leaving them one escape route. A hail of bullets from an unseen, untouchable sniper cut off the obvious route of escape forcing them into this alley or that building, increasing the feeling of powerlessness and hopelessness until finally they’re in the killing box and offered them immediate death or What’s In The Box(car).

369 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:13:15am

re: #367 Lidane

Here’s an idea

IGNORE his posts if they bother you so much!!

Jeeez Louise !!!!

he made a freaking COMMENT about a FUCKING TV SHOW!!!

370 Lidane  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:15:57am

re: #368 GeneJockey

You saw haphazard. I saw carefully prepared and practiced.

Doors shut right before they got to them, leaving them one escape route. A hail of bullets from an unseen, untouchable sniper cut off the obvious route of escape forcing them into this alley or that building, increasing the feeling of powerlessness and hopelessness until finally they’re in the killing box and offered them immediate death or What’s In The Box(car).

EXACTLY. It was a precise herding of their prey and it neatly dovetailed with the rabbit trap earlier in the show.

Spoiler

Also the wider shots during that herding showed some pretty gruesome stuff, like the pile of skinned corpses in one of the fenced in areas. If you didn’t think they were cannibals before, that pretty much made it obvious.

371 GeneJockey  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:16:31am

re: #367 Lidane

The point is that the herding scene in Terminus was foreshadowed earlier in the show. And what’s more interesting in a season finale, watching some douche give a guided tour of Terminus or bullets flying as you get that same tour with some truly disturbing imagery thrown in?

It’s just more of KT’s idiotic trolling, only this time he’s trying to fact check a zombie apocalypse show.

Hey! That’s right! I didn’t even notice that. And also foreshadowed immediately before, when the guy talks about ‘People going North or South, or heading for the ocean, but they all seem to end up here.’

BTW, speaking of foreshadowing, I’m 98% certain there’s a hint of what’s coming in the out-of-focus foreground during the chase scene. It’s why they keep broadcasting….

372 Lidane  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:17:09am

re: #369 sattv4u2

Here’s an idea

IGNORE his posts if they bother you so much!!

Jeeez Louise !!!!

I’d gladly do it if we had an Ignore function around here.

he made a freaking COMMENT about a FUCKING TV SHOW!!!

He’s trying to fact check a show about the zombie apocalypse. If you can’t see how it’s annoying and stupid and completely lame, I can’t help you.

373 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:17:19am

re: #365 sattv4u2

And don’t eat broccoli,,, and don’t drink tea,,, and never walk on the sunny side of the street,, and don’t use the letter “Q” on Wednesdays ,,,,

{sigh}

Outrage!
#cancelKT‘sWalkingDead!

374 GeneJockey  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:17:31am

re: #369 sattv4u2

Here’s an idea

IGNORE his posts if they bother you so much!!

Jeeez Louise !!!!

he made a freaking COMMENT about a FUCKING TV SHOW!!!

But you don’t understand! Someone on the internet is WRONG!!!
/////

375 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:18:34am

re: #360 Killgore Trout

an unlocked boxcar with cattle in it. Nobody tries to escape when Rick opens the door. I get the herding thing but there’s easier and safer ways to coral people than using 100’s of rounds of valuable ammo. It wouldn’t have taken much to make the set look like it was a secured route to coral people, just like a rain covering on the gun stash. The show production misses so many little touches and plot holes that it becomes distracting. At least on a show like Lost the audience will overlook things if they think there’ll be an explanation later on. It’s pretty sloppy for such a big hit show.

hmmm…I must have been doing something else when they showed cattle in the boxcar.

376 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:18:34am

re: #372 Lidane

I’d gladly do it if we had an Ignore function around here.

Have an inner one!

I can’t help you

And if you can’t IGNORE a comment about a FUCKING TV SHOW,, I can’t help you!

377 GeneJockey  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:19:33am

re: #375 Backwoods_Sleuth

hmmm…I must have been doing something else when they showed cattle in the boxcar.

Well, I DID say they were cowed….

378 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:19:47am

re: #374 GeneJockey

But you don’t understand! Someone on the internet is WRONG!!!
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Not just SOMEONE

KILGORE!!!!

//

379 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:20:50am

re: #375 Backwoods_Sleuth

Cattle=People. There were people in there hopelessly waiting to be eaten. For some reason they decided the open door wasn’t a good enough opportunity for an escape attempt.

380 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:21:14am

re: #374 GeneJockey

re: #378 sattv4u2

Not just SOMEONE

KILGORE!!!!

//

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381 Lidane  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:21:29am

re: #371 GeneJockey

Hey! That’s right! I didn’t even notice that. And also foreshadowed immediately before, when the guy talks about ‘People going North or South, or heading for the ocean, but they all seem to end up here.’

BTW, speaking of foreshadowing, I’m 98% certain there’s a hint of what’s coming in the out-of-focus foreground during the chase scene. It’s why they keep broadcasting….

Speaking of foreshadowing, there was a neat bit of it a few weeks ago:

382 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:21:36am

re: #377 GeneJockey

Well, I DID say they were cowed….

Maybe a bit sheepish too.

383 GeneJockey  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:21:41am

re: #376 sattv4u2

I’d gladly do it if we had an Ignore function around here.

Have an inner one!

I can’t help you

And if you can’t IGNORE a comment about a FUCKING TV SHOW,, I can’t help you!

Hi there. I can see you’re new to this whole ‘World Wide Web’ thing. This is the internet. It’s primarily a mechanism for arguing and viewing porn.

It also, completely as a side effect, allows you to access lots of information.
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384 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:22:11am

re: #382 Killgore Trout

Maybe a bit sheepish too.

That was Baaaaa d

385 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:22:12am

re: #380 sattv4u2

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OMG! Tea Party!

386 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:22:28am

re: #384 sattv4u2

That was Baaaaa d

You’re just chicken.

387 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:24:28am

re: #381 Lidane

Speaking of foreshadowing, there was a neat bit of it a few weeks ago:

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Interesting. I just discovered the Walking Dead subreddit. They have lots of stuff like that.

388 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:25:34am

spoiler alert
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389 Lidane  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:26:10am

re: #375 Backwoods_Sleuth

hmmm…I must have been doing something else when they showed cattle in the boxcar.

And I must have missed the logic in people who are disarmed and who have previously been herded into a boxcar suddenly deciding that running out into a new hail of gunfire is a good idea.

The only thing that escaping that boxcar would have accomplished is getting shot full of holes.

390 GeneJockey  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:27:29am

re: #379 Killgore Trout

Cattle=People. There were people in there hopelessly waiting to be eaten. For some reason they decided the open door wasn’t a good enough opportunity for an escape attempt.

You’ve just heard a shitload of lead being sprayed around, just like it was when they put you in the boxcar. You’ve been in the dark for a couple days, and you know that outside the boxcar are a lot of people with a lot of guns, and a lot of bullets, and a willingness to use them, plus being aimed at the group of folks about to come into the boxcar.

Yeah, that’s a GREAT time to escape.

Though I gotta admit, Rick’s “They just fucked screwed with the wrong Mexican people” line seemed a bit like the Black Knight saying it was just a flesh wound.

391 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:29:40am

re: #390 GeneJockey

Though I gotta admit, Rick’s “They just fucked screwed with the wrong Mexican people” line seemed a bit like the Black Knight saying it was just a flesh wound.

It was a bit cheesy. I would have preferred he announce that he had some sort of plan rather than a declaration of his inherent awesomeness.

392 GeneJockey  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:34:09am

re: #391 Killgore Trout

It was a bit cheesy. I would have preferred he announce that he had some sort of plan rather than a declaration of his inherent awesomeness.

“My lord, I have a cunning plan!”

If only you were writing this, Killgore. You’d have a show you could watch. Sadly, it would be canceled for lack of other viewers.

393 Lidane  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:34:10am

re: #390 GeneJockey

Though I gotta admit, Rick’s “They just fucked screwed with the wrong Mexican people” line seemed a bit like the Black Knight saying it was just a flesh wound.

It’s from the comics:

And it’s hilarious that you mention the Black Knight. If you look at Rick in these panels, he’s got a flesh wound his TV counterpart doesn’t.

394 GeneJockey  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:35:33am

re: #393 Lidane

It’s from the comics:

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And it’s hilarious that you mention the Black Knight. If you look at Rick in these panels, he’s got a flesh wound his TV counterpart doesn’t.

“I’ve had worse!”

395 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 12:35:09pm

re: #393 Lidane

It’s from the comics:

[Embedded image]

And it’s hilarious that you mention the Black Knight. If you look at Rick in these panels, he’s got a flesh wound his TV counterpart doesn’t.

Yeah, that’s one thing that’s a bit different in the TV show - the graphic novel characters get a LOT more fucked up.

396 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Mon, Mar 31, 2014 3:49:31pm

re: #204 Charles Johnson

Thank you for the clarification. I regret having to abandon the discussion for real world responsibilities earlier. :)


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