Overnight Animated Short: Bibo, the Lonely Robot

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It started as an idea about a lonely robot who sells ice cream. In order to survive in a severe reality he recreates an imaginary world where he lives every day, like he did during the best time of his life.

After several years of production and a one-year festival run we’re ready to present our first animated short film to you! Giant thanks to everybody who participated in the project for a fantastic work!

Special thanks to Alex Ambalov for awesome Compositing and Color Grading!
Alex Tulupov for music!
Marya Believskaya for sound design!

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221 comments
1 klys  Apr 1, 2014 9:47:54pm

Exactly what I enjoy for my Tuesday nights: the start of the algorithm analysis and design, with a focus on the theoretical.

Shoot. Me. Now.

(Maybe I’ll get to watch the article video instead when this one is done.)

2 Lidane  Apr 1, 2014 9:48:33pm

Quick question: Is total economic illiteracy a pre-requisite for running in the GOP? I’m convinced it is:

3 klys  Apr 1, 2014 9:50:34pm

re: #2 Lidane

Quick question: Is total economic illiteracy a pre-requisite for running in the GOP? I’m convinced it is:

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It’s to go with the lack of science literacy, I guess.

4 palomino  Apr 1, 2014 9:57:15pm

re: #2 Lidane

Quick question: Is total economic illiteracy a pre-requisite for running in the GOP? I’m convinced it is:

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Hysterical for all the wrong reasons. As if women getting paid too much has ever been a serious problem in this economy.

Maybe next Sen. Alexander will want to revisit the 1964 Civil Rights Act…just to make sure that white men aren’t getting screwed.

5 Lidane  Apr 1, 2014 9:57:22pm
6 klys  Apr 1, 2014 9:58:46pm

re: #4 palomino

Hysterical for all the wrong reasons. As if women getting paid too much has ever been a serious problem in this economy.

Maybe next Sen. Alexander will want to revisit the 1964 Civil Rights Act…just to make sure that white men aren’t getting screwed.

Well, clearly they have been.

See: President Obama.

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7 palomino  Apr 1, 2014 10:00:57pm

re: #5 Lidane

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Sorry to hear he died.

Also sorry to hear he didn’t die in prison. Like Madoff, it’s what he deserved.

8 palomino  Apr 1, 2014 10:04:21pm

re: #6 klys

Well, clearly they have been.

See: President Obama.

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Exactly. It sucks for us whites that only 43 of the 44 presidents have been white. It’s almost like our “white people” interests have never been taken into account by the 90% of Congress that’s white.

9 klys  Apr 1, 2014 10:05:57pm

re: #8 palomino

Exactly. It sucks for us whites that only 43 of the 44 presidents have been white. It’s almost like our “white people” interests have never been taken into account by the 90% of Congress that’s white.

I would like to have faith that I’ll see a woman President in my lifetime. I’m young enough that this shouldn’t be a hope in vain.

I won’t vote for a woman just because she’s a woman, but I fully believe there are qualified candidates out there who can and should run, and I will happily support the one I think is best for the job.

10 Kragar  Apr 1, 2014 10:06:50pm

Watched the first 2 Nat Geo Rifftrax. My daughter fell asleep, so we’re going to watch the last one tomorrow.

The Demon Bat episode was just so amazingly awful.

11 palomino  Apr 1, 2014 10:11:26pm

re: #9 klys

I would like to have faith that I’ll see a woman President in my lifetime. I’m young enough that this shouldn’t be a hope in vain.

I won’t vote for a woman just because she’s a woman, but I fully believe there are qualified candidates out there who can and should run, and I will happily support the one I think is best for the job.

I think you’ll definitely see a woman president in your lifetime. Quite possibly 2016. If Hillary runs, she’ll win (unless there’s a big game changer in the next two years, always a possibility.)

If not, then probably sometime in the next couple decades. Now that the toothpaste is out of the tube (a black man got elected), the WH isn’t just for white guys anymore.

12 sagehen  Apr 1, 2014 10:28:08pm

re: #9 klys

I would like to have faith that I’ll see a woman President in my lifetime. I’m young enough that this shouldn’t be a hope in vain.

I won’t vote for a woman just because she’s a woman, but I fully believe there are qualified candidates out there who can and should run, and I will happily support the one I think is best for the job.

But you’ll admit freely, I’m sure, that when you hear rumors of a woman who’s thinking of running, you rush to her website to check her out, you’re hoping desperately that her policy positions, legislative proposals, previous experience, etc, will be pleasing to you. And it’s a crushing disappointment if she turns out to be someone you can’t support…

13 klys  Apr 1, 2014 10:29:34pm

re: #12 sagehen

But you’ll admit freely, I’m sure, that when you hear rumors of a woman who’s thinking of running, you rush to her website to check her out, you’re hoping desperately that her policy positions, legislative proposals, previous experience, etc, will be pleasing to you. And it’s a crushing disappointment if she turns out to be someone you can’t support…

I won’t say there’s no preference at all, but I’m not going to base the decision on it entirely. I voted Obama in the primary in 2008. I remain pleased with that decision.

14 TedStriker  Apr 1, 2014 10:46:15pm

re: #2 Lidane

Quick question: Is total economic illiteracy a pre-requisite for running in the GOP? I’m convinced it is:

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One of my senators, Mr. Lamar Alexander.

I used to think that he was playing to the TPers in order to keep his Senate seat in a almost completely blood-red state, but, now, I’m not so sure. Hell, I’m old enough to remember when he was considered a “moderate” Republican, a man who served TN as governor for two terms with some distinction after succeeding the scandalous Ray Blanton, as president of the UT system after that, and who then served the nation as Secretary of Education under Bush 41.

To be honest, I think Lamar’s going senile.

15 freetoken  Apr 1, 2014 11:18:36pm

MP3 Audio

16 goddamnedfrank  Apr 2, 2014 12:44:26am
With the recent closure of the initial enrollment period for the Affordable Care Act (ACA), there is enormous jockeying around interpreting the number of enrollees in state and federal exchanges. Proponents and opponents of the law are interpreting the preliminary numbers in the way that best makes their case. But what neither side is emphasizing enough is that enrollment in the ACA is far from over now that March 31st has passed. This is because millions of individuals will lose their insurance during 2014 - and Obamacare will be there to catch them.

An underappreciated fact about insurance status is that it is very dynamic. Every year, millions of Americans move into and out of insurance coverage. Since most people obtain coverage through an employer, the most common reason for losing coverage is a loss or change in jobs. But as anyone who has applied for COBRA coverage surely knows, the premium requirements to maintain generous employer coverage can be prohibitively expensive, particularly in the months when a job loss triggers a sharp income decline. Moreover, for Americans with any medical history who sought plans on the individual insurance market prior to the ACA, there were few affordable places to turn for protection against medical bankruptcy. In most states, insurers could deny coverage, or could charge sick individuals many multiples of their healthy counterparts to buy insurance.

The ACA’s state Marketplaces, in contrast, provide a non-discriminatory home for those losing their insurance coverage. In many cases, the loss of insurance coverage is what is known as a “qualifying event” that allows individuals to purchase insurance on their state Marketplace even after the open enrollment deadline. And for those seeing a sharp drop in income due to job loss, the tax credits available through the ACA exchanges can provide a much more affordable option than COBRA; in about half of the states, Medicaid will also be available for those suffering the largest income losses.

17 Varek Raith  Apr 2, 2014 1:26:45am

House approves bill undermining climate studies by prioritizing ‘weather-related activities’

Although the term “climate” does not appear in the text of the bill, Bridenstine’s office has said the intent of the measure was “shifting funds from climate change research to severe weather forecasting research.”

The measure also directs the Office of Oceanic and Atmospheric Research (OAR) to develop better forecasting capabilities and improve tornado and hurricane warning systems.

Of course, without studying AGW, they won’t be able to do what he wants them to do.
Fucking morons.

18 freetoken  Apr 2, 2014 2:25:00am

Time for some Ligeti:

MP3 Audio

19 Decatur Deb  Apr 2, 2014 2:50:35am

re: #9 klys

I would like to have faith that I’ll see a woman President in my lifetime. I’m young enough that this shouldn’t be a hope in vain.

I won’t vote for a woman just because she’s a woman, but I fully believe there are qualified candidates out there who can and should run, and I will happily support the one I think is best for the job.

We could run a random cleaning lady from craigslist and do better than anything the TPGOP is offering. Fortunately, we won’t have to. We have Warren and Clinton.

20 freetoken  Apr 2, 2014 3:11:29am

re: #19 Decatur Deb

Here… let’s pick someone:

washingtondc.craigslist.org

They’d probably be more honest at least.

21 Decatur Deb  Apr 2, 2014 3:17:37am

re: #20 freetoken

Here… let’s pick someone:

washingtondc.craigslist.org

They’d probably be more honest at least.

I’d go with this one over Ted Cruz, but she has a Birf Certificate problem. Oh, wait…

washingtondc.craigslist.org

22 Justanotherhuman  Apr 2, 2014 3:38:53am

Enjoy your freedom while you can—you must have been terrified. 12 Stories here.

Chile Earthquake: 300 Prisoners Escape, Set Jail Ablaze

nbcnews.com

“More than 300 female prisoners took advantage of the huge earthquake that hit the northern coast of Chile and escaped late Tuesday, officials said.

“The prisoners set fire to the site after the massive jailbreak, which happened as the penitentiary was being evacuated, according to El Mundo newspaper.

“Officials said that by around 4:30 a.m. local time (3:30 a.m. ET) around 39 had been recaptured close to the prison in Iquique, a port city near the epicenter of the magnitude-8.2 quake.” More

23 Justanotherhuman  Apr 2, 2014 3:46:46am

Waiting for the stories of “cover-up!” to emerge any minute now.

Ukrainian far-right leader accidentally shot and killed himself during a shoot-out with police last month, an investigation has concluded - @BBCNews
read more on bbc.com

24 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 2, 2014 3:49:41am

re: #23 Justanotherhuman

Waiting for the stories of “cover-up!” to emerge any minute now.

Ukrainian far-right leader accidentally shot and killed himself during a shoot-out with police last month, an investigation has concluded - @BBCNews
read more on bbc.com

suspicious on the grounds that right-wingers are highly conscious of gun safety…

25 Timothy Watson  Apr 2, 2014 3:50:53am

re: #23 Justanotherhuman

Waiting for the stories of “cover-up!” to emerge any minute now.

Ukrainian far-right leader accidentally shot and killed himself during a shoot-out with police last month, an investigation has concluded - @BBCNews
read more on bbc.com

OF COURSE OBAMA SUPPORTS THE REGIME THAT ASSASSINATES UPSTANDING CONSERVATIVES!1!!1!

26 Justanotherhuman  Apr 2, 2014 3:54:28am

This does not look appetizing in the least. Bats, considered a delicacy, are thought to be behind the Ebola outbreak in Guinea.

Bushmeat BBQ:

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27 Flounder  Apr 2, 2014 4:05:27am

After reading some of the comments here and listening to Howard Stern this morning, I believe, in my humblest opinion, that social media has gone the way of disco and the dinosaur. I submit the following for the “proof”
Youtube Video
Good Morning! Let me take a selfie!

28 Justanotherhuman  Apr 2, 2014 4:06:35am

Appears to be a small cache.

Yesterday, Right Sector was kicked out of a hotel after a shootout and weapons were left behind.

29 Justanotherhuman  Apr 2, 2014 4:08:45am

re: #27 Flounder

After reading some of the comments here and listening to Howard Stern this morning, I believe, in my humblest opinion, that social media has gone the way of disco and the dinosaur. I submit the following for the “proof”
[Embedded content]

Good Morning! Let me take a selfie!

First world bullshit.

30 Flounder  Apr 2, 2014 4:13:40am

re: #29 Justanotherhuman

I’m sorry, I think it is “out”

31 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 2, 2014 4:33:51am

Is there any Lizard here looking for a job in Monterey CA?

32 Justanotherhuman  Apr 2, 2014 4:35:47am

A lot of us remember measles very well and either had them or knew someone who did. I had them at an orphanage in 1949 and I remember being sick for 2 wks and having hallucinations during bouts of fever; there was no cure, you had to let it run its course, and we were isolated to a room with drawn curtains since it was believed that light made them worse. But people under 40 may not have even heard of the disease .

historyofvaccines.org

This is just incredible—esp that health pros need to be “educated” about measles; after all, the disease hasn’t been totally eradicated. It’s what happens when people become too specialized and/or limited in their education, and protocols are not in place or followed. People should be taught that any disease which can be spread by simply being in the air you breathe can be very dangerous and someone needs to call to heel these celebrities and their ilk who rail against vaccinations.

Measles Outbreak Grows to 25 Cases in NYC

nbcnewyork.com

“In a statement Tuesday, Health Commissioner Mary Bassett urged people who suspect they may have the virus to contact their medical provider before going to a doctor, urgent care center or emergency room to avoid exposing others. Bassett also advised health facilities to educate staff about isolation protocol in suspected measles cases.

“Measles is a viral infection characterized by a generalized rash and high fever, accompanied by cough, red eyes and runny nose, lasting five to six days. The illness typically begins with a rash on the face and then moves down the body, and may include the palms of the hands and soles of the feet.

“As many as one in three people with measles develop complications, which can be serious and may include pneumonia, miscarriage, brain inflammation, hospitalization and death. Infants, people who have a weakened immune system and non-immune pregnant women are at highest risk of severe illness and complications. ” More

33 Justanotherhuman  Apr 2, 2014 4:37:23am

re: #30 Flounder

I’m sorry, I think it is “out”

Not quite sure I understand what you mean. : ) “Selfies” have run their course, or posting them has?

34 Flounder  Apr 2, 2014 4:48:27am

re: #33 Justanotherhuman

I’m probably wrong, but hearing how some folks have been sick of the twitters lately, and Howard was bashing it today. I’m wondering what the next “big thing” will be.

35 Justanotherhuman  Apr 2, 2014 4:52:58am

This is horrible but also a very good example of how the 1% resort to union busting. And some people think unions are “too powerful”?

EXCLUSIVE: UPS dismisses 250 Queens drivers after they protested against long-time employee’s dismissal

The unionized drivers at the Maspeth facility walked off the job for 90 minutes Feb. 26 to protest the firing of long-time employee and union activist Jairo Reyes. Public Advocate Letitia James has contacted UPS to ask them to change their tactics.

nydailynews.com

36 A Mom Anon  Apr 2, 2014 4:56:25am

re: #34 Flounder

Never dealt with Twitter, no plans on it either. I think seeing all the negative crap posted here turned me off it entirely. I see no reason to have it or use it. I also have an ex friend who keeps sending me invites to connect with her via LinkedIn, I don’t even know what the hell that is. (I know, get a clue grandma. No. I have shit to do outside, you wanna talk to me, call me or send me an email FFS, is that too difficult now?)

I’m also nearly over Facebook. I don’t know WTF they did to it in the last few days but the format makes my head hurt. I don’t play any computer games ever, I’m not a gamer at all, but my feed is full of game suggestions and ads for games. That stuff isn’t going to talk me into it either. If it weren’t for my kids and grandkids I’d delete the whole thing and be done with it.

How did we communicate before social media?

37 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 2, 2014 4:57:00am
38 Varek Raith  Apr 2, 2014 4:57:03am

re: #36 A Mom Anon

Never dealt with Twitter, no plans on it either. I think seeing all the negative crap posted here turned me off it entirely. I see no reason to have it or use it. I also have an ex friend who keeps sending me invites to connect with her via LinkedIn, I don’t even know what the hell that is. (I know, get a clue grandma. No. I have shit to do outside, you wanna talk to me, call me or send me an email FFS, is that too difficult now?)

I’m also nearly over Facebook. I don’t know WTF they did to it in the last few days but the format makes my head hurt. I don’t play any computer games ever, I’m not a gamer at all, but my feed is full of game suggestions and ads for games. That stuff isn’t going to talk me into it either. If it weren’t for my kids and grandkids I’d delete the whole thing and be done with it.

How did we communicate before social media?

Cans and string.

39 Decatur Deb  Apr 2, 2014 5:01:18am

re: #32 Justanotherhuman

A lot of us remember measles very well and either had them or knew someone who did. I had them at an orphanage in 1949 and I remember being sick for 2 wks and having hallucinations during bouts of fever; there was no cure, you had to let it run its course, and we were isolated to a room with drawn curtains since it was believed that light made them worse. But people under 40 may not have even heard of the disease .

historyofvaccines.org

This is just incredible—esp that health pros need to be “educated” about measles; after all, the disease hasn’t been totally eradicated. It’s what happens when people become too specialized and/or limited in their education, and protocols are not in place or followed. People should be taught that any disease which can be spread by simply being in the air you breathe can be very dangerous and someone needs to call to heel these celebrities and their ilk who rail against vaccinations.

Measles Outbreak Grows to 25 Cases in NYC

nbcnewyork.com

“In a statement Tuesday, Health Commissioner Mary Bassett urged people who suspect they may have the virus to contact their medical provider before going to a doctor, urgent care center or emergency room to avoid exposing others. Bassett also advised health facilities to educate staff about isolation protocol in suspected measles cases.

“Measles is a viral infection characterized by a generalized rash and high fever, accompanied by cough, red eyes and runny nose, lasting five to six days. The illness typically begins with a rash on the face and then moves down the body, and may include the palms of the hands and soles of the feet.

“As many as one in three people with measles develop complications, which can be serious and may include pneumonia, miscarriage, brain inflammation, hospitalization and death. Infants, people who have a weakened immune system and non-immune pregnant women are at highest risk of severe illness and complications. ” More

Measles was one of the European diseases that decimated New World populations after contact. It was up there with smallpox.

en.wikipedia.org

40 Justanotherhuman  Apr 2, 2014 5:04:05am

re: #36 A Mom Anon

Never dealt with Twitter, no plans on it either. I think seeing all the negative crap posted here turned me off it entirely. I see no reason to have it or use it. I also have an ex friend who keeps sending me invites to connect with her via LinkedIn, I don’t even know what the hell that is. (I know, get a clue grandma. No. I have shit to do outside, you wanna talk to me, call me or send me an email FFS, is that too difficult now?)

I’m also nearly over Facebook. I don’t know WTF they did to it in the last few days but the format makes my head hurt. I don’t play any computer games ever, I’m not a gamer at all, but my feed is full of game suggestions and ads for games. That stuff isn’t going to talk me into it either. If it weren’t for my kids and grandkids I’d delete the whole thing and be done with it.

How did we communicate before social media?

There is nothing worse than to be having a face to face with someone and having their goddamned phone go off every minute or so.

I use my house phone exclusively for calling people, and do not use the internet for any purpose in communicating with family or friends—phone used exclusively and everyone isn’t bothered so much by me or me by them, leaving a lot of privacy intact. So if I’m not home, you can’t reach me and can either leave a message (which I only check once a week) or call me back, and if I get a call while on another one, it can wait.

41 A Mom Anon  Apr 2, 2014 5:10:53am

re: #38 Varek Raith

Oh hush smartypants. I have a smartphone, which I love. I have apps I use for everything from weather, birdwatching and nature ID, to a pedometer, to grocery store coupons, etc. I think there is such a thing as being over connected though. I would like to see people overall just reach a saturation point and back off it some. I’m not a total luddite, but there comes a point where it’s enough already.

42 A Mom Anon  Apr 2, 2014 5:15:48am

And with that, it’s time to start the day. Make it a good one lizards.

43 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 2, 2014 5:17:39am

re: #41 A Mom Anon

Oh hush smartypants. I have a smartphone, which I love. I have apps I use for everything from weather, birdwatching and nature ID, to a pedometer, to grocery store coupons, etc. I think there is such a thing as being over connected though. I would like to see people overall just reach a saturation point and back off it some. I’m not a total luddite, but there comes a point where it’s enough already.

I am also no technophile. Still have a stupid phone to allow people to reach me when I am not in. Find FB useful for the chat function to keep in touch with friends and relatives far away and for posting events.

But I do not do any games or apps on it, neither do I “like” anything on FB, regardless of whether I like it or not in person. And as a rule, Ii do not friend anyone I do not know from real life or anyone I do not wish to remain in real-life contact with.

44 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Apr 2, 2014 5:26:12am

Re: Social Media

I use Twitter for work-related purposes (monitoring media and tech news) and Facebook for personal stuff (posting photos, videos, making funny comments, etc.). Everyone has a different way of interacting with those two giants, especially. And that’s cool, as far as it goes.

My main concern with FB especially is that it is a highly controlled walled garden of content. If I have a company and I’m relying on FB for all my web activity, I’m going to be hamstrung when they change their algorithms to “hide” my content from people who follow my pages, as just happened recently.

There are theories about developing self-selection bubbles, where you only hear ideas that conform with your personal beliefs. What about when the technology platform does that for you?

Which is why I still play around on the “real” web and don’t rely on FB for news, relevant information. i wish more people would do so, but that’s not my call.

And, interestingly, the utes seem to be abandoning FB (and even Twitter) for other interpersonal platforms (snapchat seems to be the flavor of the moment). I’m about at my limit on social media platforms as is, and have no interest in snapchat.

/ramble

45 Justanotherhuman  Apr 2, 2014 5:28:03am

re: #43 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I am also no technophile. Still have a stupid phone to allow people to reach me when I am not in. Find FB useful for the chat function to keep in touch with friends and relatives far away and for posting events.

But I do not do any games or apps on it, neither do I “like” anything on FB, regardless of whether I like it or not in person. And as a rule, Ii do not friend anyone I do not know from real life or anyone I do not wish to remain in real-life contact with.

I think the definition of “friend” is changing rapidly. It’s one reason I don’t bother with social media like Twit and FB.

I see blogging differently, though. I prefer it, and it doesn’t interfere in my meat life as much since I’m not actually “connected” to anyone and can leave it and return any time on my own volition. I see blogging as an entirely different form of interaction, even if we’re perfect strangers, as well. : )

46 Flounder  Apr 2, 2014 5:30:17am

Call me old fashioned, but in my business I prefer to meet face to face. I’m more comfortable and feel i can get my point across better with a one on one meeting. I dread making phone calls.

47 Justanotherhuman  Apr 2, 2014 5:31:30am

re: #46 Flounder

Call me old fashioned, but in my business I prefer to meet face to face. I’m more comfortable and feel i can get my point across better with a one on one meeting. I dread making phone calls.

So much “body english” is lost via modern communications. And so is real trust.

48 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 2, 2014 5:31:45am

re: #46 Flounder

Call me old fashioned, but in my business I prefer to meet face to face. I’m more comfortable and feel i can get my point across better with a one on one meeting. I dread making phone calls.

Unless it cannot be arranged otherwise, phone calls are about making arrangements to talk face-to-face.

49 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 2, 2014 5:36:49am

re: #46 Flounder

Call me old fashioned, but in my business I prefer to meet face to face. I’m more comfortable and feel i can get my point across better with a one on one meeting. I dread making phone calls.

You can actually better tell if someone is lying over the phone than in person.

50 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Apr 2, 2014 5:38:55am

re: #48 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

You’d be amazed how much journalism today is done via e-mail exchanges, chat, etc. It’s work to get student journalists to leave the newsroom and go talk to people. I suspect it will only get worse as tech advances.

I think, to some extent, data journalism is this problem writ large - we can just use numbers to tell the story. Don’t get me wrong, data journalism has done some wonderful things, exposed some rather large problems, etc., and I’m glad it’s here. But it’s not a silver bullet.

51 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 2, 2014 5:42:53am

re: #50 Rev_Arthur_Belling

You’d be amazed how much journalism today is done via e-mail exchanges, chat, etc. It’s work to get student journalists to leave the newsroom and go talk to people. I suspect it will only get worse as tech advances.

It’s a heckuva lot cheaper that way, and that is a driving force behind many news sources…

52 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 2, 2014 5:42:53am

A lot of our ‘face-to-face’ communication is deceptive. One of the advantages of reading something instead of listening to it—and I’m assuming all y’all talking about face-to-face meetings do read books and articles instead of going to the writer’s homes and asking that they recite their ideas for you—is that it’s stripped of charisma, of body language, of intonation, of the things that we humans have evolved to use to deceive and convince each other. Obviously the skill of the writing and the rhetoric still matter, but the ideas are there, in black and white, and they can be held to account a lot more easily.

And ‘writing’ isn’t exactly a new thing. Back in ye olden days, when travel was a lot more onerous, people communicated a lot just through letters, often the majority of communications. Facebook/email didn’t start the idea of people writing to each other rather than talking face to face. Nor did the phone.

Where facebook and stuff fails is in socialization: it doesn’t satisfy our need for human company. Nor does talking over the phone, not the same way it does in person. You need that. Beyond that, if you’re working together with someone on something, vs. in, however amicably, an adversarial relationship like a business relationship, it works a lot better to work physically together because you can inspire each other. Even then, though, the tendency in small groups and teams is to get dominated by one individual unless there’s formal structures in place to prevent that.

54 GunstarGreen  Apr 2, 2014 6:14:07am

As long as there are vapid, narcissistic idiots in the world, there will be social media platforms to give them a venue and some validation.

55 Justanotherhuman  Apr 2, 2014 6:20:23am

re: #52 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

It appears that some are trying to “objectify” communications, and I think that’s a slippery slope. I really do prefer the company of human beings, not the cold comfort of a machine, which can be a very lonely place.

By objectifying our communications and our daily working lives, aren’t we running the risk of having that tilt to a one-sidedness? When we start to prefer pure objectivism and eschew subjectivism, we wind up with either communism or libertarianism and a very shallow connection with others.

It is our emotions, our connectedness as human beings that sets us apart from machinery. Compartmentalizing ourselves even further than we do today, and slipping in and out of “roles” is something I would prefer not to do. I had to do that to some extent when I was a working woman, to put my kids out of the picture, so to speak, while on the job, to not allow personal problems to interfere, and to make the job my raison d’être while I was there. Somewhere down the road, I learned to hate those jobs, the artificiality of it all, and everything they stood for, and wished I had prepared for something else, a job that involved people I wasn’t forced to be with day in and day out while I missed the very ones I loved to be with. I also think those same feelings affect a lot of working women since it is more difficult for us to compartmentalize. It’s not that we hate working, it’s the work atmosphere itself which is not inviting to families, and I don’t see that getting any better.

56 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 2, 2014 6:23:33am

re: #55 Justanotherhuman

It appears that some are trying to “objectify” communications, and I think that’s a slippery slope. I really do prefer the company of human beings, not the cold comfort of a machine, which can be a very lonely place.

Everyone does, other than those with severe social anxiety or other disorders of communication. That’s not arguable.

By objectifying our communications and our daily working lives, aren’t we running the risk of having that tilt to a one-sidedness? When we start to prefer pure objectivism and eschew subjectivism, we wind up with either communism or libertarianism and a very shallow connection with others.

I can’t really follow this. I don’t get how communications are ‘objectified’. Can you explain? I also have no clue how this leads to communism or libertarianism.

It is our emotions, our connectedness as human beings that sets us apart from machinery. Compartmentalizing ourselves even further than we do today, and slipping in and out of “roles” is something I would prefer not to do.

This is a baffling bit to me. How is writing on facebook different from writing letters, other than you can do it faster? Also , you seem to be combining complaints about technology with complaints about the working world—not really very related.

I had to do that to some extent when I was a working woman, to put my kids out of the picture, so to speak, while on the job, to not allow personal problems to interfere, and to make the job my raison d’être while I was there. Somewhere down the road, I learned to hate those jobs, the artificiality of it all, and everything they stood for, and wished I had prepared for something else, a job that involved people I wasn’t forced to be with day in and day out while I missed the very ones I loved to be with. I also think those same feelings affect a lot of working women since it is more difficult for us to compartmentalize. It’s not that we hate working, it’s the work atmosphere itself which is not inviting to families, and I don’t see that getting any better.

I’m unclear how this relates, and are you making a biotruths argument that women are worse at compartmentalizing than men?

57 Flounder  Apr 2, 2014 6:25:43am

re: #55 Justanotherhuman

Well said, I couldn’t agree more, certainly more than just an upding!
When can I trade in my updings in anyway?! I could use a new toaster.

58 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 2, 2014 6:25:54am

re: #55 Justanotherhuman

It appears that some are trying to “objectify” communications, and I think that’s a slippery slope.

It can be a useful tool in helping analyze messages, but not an end in itself.

59 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 2, 2014 6:26:43am

re: #58 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It can be a useful tool in helping analyze messages, but not an end in itself.

What does objectifying communications mean?

60 Varek Raith  Apr 2, 2014 6:31:46am

61 Justanotherhuman  Apr 2, 2014 6:36:32am

re: #56 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

“I’m unclear how this relates, and are you making a biotruths argument that women are worse at compartmentalizing than men?”

Because for myself, and other women with whom I’ve spoken, it is very difficult to divorce oneself from personal obligations for 8 or more hrs a day and compartmentalize one’s life. Responsibility for children is still up to women, for the most part, not men. And it’s especially difficult when you’re a single mother.

So I’d appreciate it if you wouldn’t try to invalidate my experiences as a single working mother. I’ve run into that before, and it stinks.

And BTW, WTF is a “biotruth” argument? The fact that I experienced life as a female, gave birth and am a mother, and was as socialized as any other human being for it, and even in fighting “role identification”, that there was still the real world I had to deal with?

I’m tired of being bullied about it, too.

62 GunstarGreen  Apr 2, 2014 6:37:53am

re: #55 Justanotherhuman

A machine will never betray me.
A machine will never hurt me for its own gain.
A machine will never judge me on some arbitrary criteria to which I am not privy.
A machine will never lose its mind and go crazy on me.
A machine will never ask me to violate my ethics, and use my emotions as a weapon to convince me.

It’s taken me a pretty long time to get out of this kind of mindset. But, from the experience of someone who’s been there, these are the sorts of reasons that someone might use to prefer ‘cold and lonely’ machines over the company of other humans. Humans are messy and unpredictable, like all living things, and not everyone wants to deal with that.

63 Varek Raith  Apr 2, 2014 6:39:24am

Winter is up to something.
I can feel it.
<.<

64 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 2, 2014 6:42:16am

re: #61 Justanotherhuman

“I’m unclear how this relates, and are you making a biotruths argument that women are worse at compartmentalizing than men?”

Because for myself, and other women with whom I’ve spoken, it is very difficult to divorce oneself from personal obligations for 8 or more hrs a day and compartmentalize one’s life.

What I was asking is if you are arguing that this stems from biology, that it’s a culturally learned thing.

Responsibility for children is still up to women, for the most part, not men. And it’s especially difficult when you’re a single mother.

True. Is what you’re saying, then, that the structure of working life makes it hard to juggle outside responsibilities like childcare? What does this have to do with the facebook/machine communication thing?

So I’d appreciate it if you wouldn’t try to invalidate my experiences as a single working mother. I’ve run into that before, and it stinks.

I’m not trying to invalidate anything, I’m trying to understand what you’re saying.

And BTW, WTF is a “biotruth” argument? The fact that I experienced life as a female, gave birth and am a mother, and was as socialized as any other human being for it, and even in fighting “role identification”, that there was still the real world I had to deal with?

A biotruths argument is one that says that is an innate biological difference. Since you’re talking about socialization, I can now see you’re not making a biotruths argument. I’m really, really unclear how this relates to the whole in-person-vs-electronic communication thing, and I’d appreciate if you could explain.

The problem with—especially in the US—a terrible work life balance is even worse for anyone who has to do childcare, and women in the US are far more likely to be doing childcare. it’s part of the larger problems we have with a terribly intrusive work environment—that’s one way technology actually has made a change, in that workers can be chased down after work, too.

I’m tired of being bullied about it, too.

Asking you to explain what you mean isn’t bullying you. I’m interested in what you’re saying and asking you to clarify it, but you’re not presenting it in a way that I can understand. If you don’t give a shit about me understanding, then that’s fine, but I figured you did.

65 lawhawk  Apr 2, 2014 6:45:25am

re: #32 Justanotherhuman

I was going to post about this as well.

NYC private schools have a far worse vaccination rate than public schools. Part of what’s driving that is that public schools require vaccination except under specific situations, while the private schools may be more lax on allowing parents to keep their kids from getting the vaccinations needed to prevent outbreaks such as these.

It pisses me off to no end how these people are pushing junk science, debunked nonsense, and using fear and religious justifications to put the public in danger from diseases that could potentially be eliminated altogether.

I wish states and localities would listen to the public health experts instead of allowing debunked nonsense rule the day on vaccinations. There’s no link between vaccination and autism at all, and whatever links were suspected were due to a bogus study that has been formally retracted by The Lancet because the author of that study engaged in all kinds of malfeasance.

In fact, I wish states would move to tighten vaccination requirements, instead of loosening them in the name of religious freedom (where active campaigns to get kids excluded from vaccinations is a growing trend). The state can and does meet the higher burden to show that the public health is endangered by allowing parents to keep their kids from being vaccinated so as to override their religious beliefs (whether heartfelt or otherwise).

It’s not a religious freedom issue; it’s a public health issue on an area where the lives of millions are needlessly put at risk because vaccinations protect not only those who receive them, but reduce the chances that someone who is unable to be vaccinated (infants under a certain age, people whose immune systems are compromised, etc.) will get an illness that could potentially kill them.

Measles isn’t some harmless ailment. It can and does kill.

India, which has just successfully eradicated polio after a decades long effort, is now turning to measles, which kills more than 56,000 there ever year. There are more than 100,000 deaths from measles and the complications from the disease every year; 20 million contract the disease every year.

We don’t know of such things in the US, because we’ve been pretty successful in reducing measles to a rarity. It’s the anti-vaxxer campaigns that are reversing that trend, and the body count will rise unless states and the federal government move to put it to an end.

4 of the cases in New York’s outbreak have been serious enough to require hospitalization. That’s out of 25 confirmed cases. We’re talking 16% of the cases.

Hospitalization costs far more than any vaccination - which for the measles and mumps is about a dollar a dose.

66 Justanotherhuman  Apr 2, 2014 6:46:06am

re: #62 GunstarGreen

A machine will never betray me.
A machine will never hurt me for its own gain.
A machine will never judge me on some arbitrary criteria to which I am not privy.
A machine will never lose its mind and go crazy on me.
A machine will never ask me to violate my ethics, and use my emotions as a weapon to convince me.

It’s taken me a pretty long time to get out of this kind of mindset. But, from the experience of someone who’s been there, these are the sorts of reasons that someone might use to prefer ‘cold and lonely’ machines over the company of other humans. Humans are messy and unpredictable, like all living things, and not everyone wants to deal with that.

I prefer “messy and unpredictable”—it makes life worth living, in my humble estimation. I’ve learned an awful lot from “messy and unpredictable” people, and it’s been good and bad. : )

And that’s coming from someone who hates “drama queening”—I’ve seen enough of that kind of irrational behavior for a dozen lifetimes. It’s another manipulative technique, and dishonest, IMHO.

67 GunstarGreen  Apr 2, 2014 6:51:25am

re: #66 Justanotherhuman

I certainly agree, nowadays. Just took a while to come around to it. But I can understand where the other side comes from.

68 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 2, 2014 6:53:12am

re: #67 GunstarGreen

I certainly agree, nowadays. Just took a while to come around to it. But I can understand where the other side comes from.

The only people I think that online vs. in-person socialization is actually a benefit for are those for whom in-person socialization is innately broken anyway, like people with severe social anxiety disorder, autistic people, etc.

This is a great book by a Japanese autistic kid:

amazon.com

69 Ryan King  Apr 2, 2014 6:54:07am

re: #48 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Unless it cannot be arranged otherwise, phone calls are about making arrangements to talk face-to-face.

Phone calls are putting my toe in the water to see if I want to meet face to face.

70 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 2, 2014 6:54:24am

re: #65 lawhawk

Here’s another thing that most people don’t realize about vaccinations.

It says that 90% of the victims in this measles outbreak claimed that they had been vaccinated.

What this means is that they were probably vaccinated as infants, but did not receive the booster shots when they became teenagers.

Most parents are diligent about getting their infant and toddler children vaccinated, but may not realize that immunity from these vaccinations typically last for about 10-15 years, and then a new dose is required.

Public high schools require entering students to be re-vaccinated, but non-public schools don’t have on-site nurses and so may neglect this important milestone.

71 Bulworth  Apr 2, 2014 6:58:05am

Left the house this morning only to find that someone had somehow managed to drive a vehicle of some kind over my lawn and azalea bush. The f0ck?

I have an elderly neighbor who’s car was not in its usual spot next to mine, leaving me to wonder if he had some kind of episode of hitting the gas instead of the brake when he pulled in. How the person managed to get up on my lawn without hitting my car though has me puzzled. Probably should have called the cops, but after taking a sick day Monday and arriving late yesterday I erred on the side of getting to work on time.

Maybe there will be an explanation when I get home.

72 Justanotherhuman  Apr 2, 2014 7:06:27am

re: #64 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I have been bullied elsewhere for the same thing, that “biotruth” stuff (which I looked up). I’m not as educated as most on this site and sometimes I can’t express myself well in certain areas. So, does that mean I can’t have an opinion or learn something, and even if I do learn it, still disagree? Is this a site where we want homogenization?

73 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 2, 2014 7:08:03am

re: #59 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

What does objectifying communications mean?

I understand it as over-analyzing both the content and the manner in which a message is conveyed.

74 Mattand  Apr 2, 2014 7:08:41am

re: #65 lawhawk

Measles in NYC in the fucking 21st century. Why more people aren’t embarrassed by this is beyond me. But, hey, if Jesus/Zeus/Cthulhu says my kids shouldn’t be protected from a disease that should be extinct by now, that’s my right dammit!!!

Oh, and too bad about your kid getting infected by mine. 1st Amendment!!!

——————————————-

I mentioned a few weeks ago that my cousin’s oldest is going down the anti-vax path. She’s embracing a fairly hard-core vegan lifestyle, which in and of itself is fine. It’s just that she’s justifying it with a lot of non-scientific crap, and vaccination just popped up on her radar.

She’s pulling out the “Kids get too many vaccines” horseshit, which translates into “I’m not against all vaccines, but we need to pare back because (easily disproven propaganda here)”.

What’s really frightening is that her sister and her uncle (another of my cousins) both have new infants; one of which is a preemie. I’m really worried that she’s going to convince both sets of parents to ignore trained medical professionals with decades of experience and have them eschew vaccinations for these kids.

I’m sure part of it is that American trait of rejecting authority whether it’s justified or not. Which unfortunately goes hand-in-hand with American’s increasing scientific illiteracy.

But, hey, freedom and what not.

75 Aqua Obama  Apr 2, 2014 7:10:38am

NJ budget shortfall reaches $526M, legislative analyst says

Finally, time to cut social services!

76 GunstarGreen  Apr 2, 2014 7:12:20am

re: #74 Mattand

Remember, approximately half of your fellow Americans believe that the sun rotates around the earth. Present tense.

We don’t really have an admirable record when it comes to being embarrassed about shit we should be embarrassed about.

77 Aqua Obama  Apr 2, 2014 7:14:35am

re: #74 Mattand

I’m sure part of it is that American trait of rejecting authority whether it’s justified or not. Which unfortunately goes hand-in-hand with American’s increasing scientific illiteracy.

But, hey, freedom and what not.

That’s why I only watch Russia Today and listen to Alex Jones!

78 Justanotherhuman  Apr 2, 2014 7:15:41am

Looks like rule by the 1% can now commence in earnest.

US Supreme Court strikes down overall limits on campaign contributions, leaves in place cap on donations to single candidate - @AP, @Reuters
end of alert

79 lawhawk  Apr 2, 2014 7:16:36am

re: #75 Aqua Obama

The shortfall is almost entirely due to the fact that Christie’s projected budget revenue figures were far higher than the legislative budget office figures.

Rosen said Christie’s new budget plan appeared to rely on revenue estimates that are more rosy than realistic, what he called a trend for the Republican governor.

“My discussion of state revenues may strike some as, in the words of New Jersey Hall of Fame member Yogi Berra, ‘déjà vu all over again,’” Rosen said. But he added that this year, the difference between Christie’s estimates and the OLS projections is the smallest ever.

The OLS analysts estimated the state would collect $217 million less in tax revenue than Christie’s target for the current fiscal year. For the coming 2015 fiscal year, OLS expects $309 million less — so the total shortfall facing the state budget is $526 million, Rosen said.

Healthy growth in the stock market could provide much-needed relief for the state budget, Rosen said.

“During tax year 2013, the S&P 500 index jumped 29 percent and that will enhance our collections this spring,” he said.

The state might see revenues pick up over the next two months as tax season peaks, but the state has been running behind on economic growth especially as compared to NY or CT (with higher unemployment rates to boot). Christie’s budget projections for economic growth have been far higher than actual rates - and he’s still proposing higher revenue growth than warranted.

At the same time, he’s unwilling to do anything to raise taxes or shift tax burdens on to those who can afford to pay them, so the only way he can justify budget growth is to claim that there’s higher economic growth. Without that, he’s going to be forced to make cuts somewhere, and that’ll end up hurting those least able to afford them.

80 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 2, 2014 7:16:58am

What is this shit, I just can’t even…
Wingnuts spamming the STUPIDEST. MEME. EVER.

81 Mattand  Apr 2, 2014 7:17:07am

re: #76 GunstarGreen

Remember, approximately half of your fellow Americans believe that the sun rotates around the earth. Present tense.

We don’t really have an admirable record when it comes to being embarrassed about shit we should be embarrassed about.

Ugh. I hope that’s not true. Whenever I see factoids like that, I try to be skeptical on the grounds of “No one is that dumb.”

I’m still skeptical of the common wisdom that half of the adult US population thinks that the Garden of Eden isn’t a piece of mythology.

Then again, I live in a region of America were even the most hard core conservative would laugh in your face if you insisted that’s true. I get the impression that’s not the case in large swaths of this country. I just don’t know how bad it really is out there.

82 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 2, 2014 7:17:27am

re: #75 Aqua Obama

NJ budget shortfall reaches $526M, legislative analyst says

Finally, time to cut social services!

Need moar reports exonerating Christie without interviewing those involved!
///

83 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 2, 2014 7:18:05am

“Science Then”=Science Never.
Superstition was never Science, ever.

84 darthstar  Apr 2, 2014 7:18:13am

Biden was hilarious yesterday…loved this moment.

85 Mattand  Apr 2, 2014 7:20:53am

re: #79 lawhawk

Heh, refusing to raise revenues through taxes while cutting them to benefit the wealthiest? What could possibly go wrong?

Christie may get the GOP nod for POTUS after all. He has the economic illiteracy of Reagan and W down pat, along with the vindictive corrupt cabinet of Nixon.

All he needs to do now is invade Delaware and he’s set.

86 lawhawk  Apr 2, 2014 7:22:25am

The Supreme Court, in a divided ruling, found that aggregate limits on campaign contributions violates the 1st Amendment.

87 Aqua Obama  Apr 2, 2014 7:22:56am

Delaware is New Jersey’s Crimea

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88 Mattand  Apr 2, 2014 7:23:07am

re: #82 Feline Fearless Leader

Need moar reports exonerating Christie without interviewing those involved!
///

When you’re that far in the financial hole, what’s a mere million of my fucking tax money to paint yourself as the Martyr of Bridgeghazi?

89 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 2, 2014 7:24:35am

re: #72 Justanotherhuman

I have been bullied elsewhere for the same thing, that “biotruth” stuff (which I looked up). I’m not as educated as most on this site and sometimes I can’t express myself well in certain areas. So, does that mean I can’t have an opinion or learn something, and even if I do learn it, still disagree? Is this a site where we want homogenization?

I have no clue why you’re asking me if you can’t have an opinion, when what I”m doing is asking you to explain your opinion. Really, I’m asking you what you mean—that’s really, really not bullying.

I’m a college dropout who’s just managed to get back to school at a late age. I’m hardly highly educated myself.

I want to understand what you’re saying, and especially the link between facebook/online communication/machines and how workplaces require people to compartmentalize personal life, especially as it relates to childcare. I’m not saying there isn’t a connection, I”m asking you to explain your idea.

It’s not an attack.

90 Aqua Obama  Apr 2, 2014 7:25:04am

There actually is a little chunk of Jersey on the Pennsylvania side

91 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 2, 2014 7:26:14am

re: #86 lawhawk

The Supreme Court, in a divided ruling, found that aggregate limits on campaign contributions violates the 1st Amendment.

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Yet another terrible decision equating money with speech.

92 Lidane  Apr 2, 2014 7:26:23am
93 sattv4u2  Apr 2, 2014 7:26:30am

re: #84 darthstar

Biden was hilarious yesterday…loved this moment.

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Good thing Joe wasn’t in 5th grade at the time!!!

10-year-old suspended for making fingers into shape of gun

cnn.com

94 Mattand  Apr 2, 2014 7:27:01am

re: #86 lawhawk

The right-wing loons on the Supreme Court are essentially Tea Baggers in black robes.

Fuck Reagan and both Bushes for sticking us with these radical conservative fanatics for decades. They’re doing more damage to the US than the Tea Baggers could with 50 congressional majorities.

95 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 2, 2014 7:27:45am

re: #93 sattv4u2

Good thing Joe wasn’t in 5th grade at the time!!!

10-year-old suspended for making fingers into shape of gun

cnn.com

The kid wasn’t suspended for making fingers into the shape of a gun.

96 Bulworth  Apr 2, 2014 7:28:14am

re: #92 Lidane

Well why can’t Obama do both???!?!?!?!!?!11111

//

97 Killgore Trout  Apr 2, 2014 7:28:50am

Putin’s plans are occupation of Latvia and access to Balkans

“Putin had and still has the following plan: after Crimea, he wants to get access to Bulgaria and farther to Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina. This is the southern direction. The northern direction is the occupation of Latvia, complete destabilisation of Finland, access to Greenland and Spitsbergen. Our centre is convinced this plan existed before and still remains. They just took a break,”

98 Lidane  Apr 2, 2014 7:29:03am

POTUS is a Time Lord, GM bailout edition:

99 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 2, 2014 7:29:54am

re: #92 Lidane

Looks like the GOP is now the champion of the sternly worded letter regarding this issue.

100 Timothy Watson  Apr 2, 2014 7:31:00am

re: #80 Pie-onist Overlord

What is this shit, I just can’t even…
Wingnuts spamming the STUPIDEST. MEME. EVER.

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Scientists doing back to before Aristotle knew the earth wasn’t flat.

In fact, from what I can find online, the Talmud actually does say the Earth is flat.

101 Bulworth  Apr 2, 2014 7:31:07am

re: #98 Lidane

It would be irresponsible not to speculate.

/

103 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 2, 2014 7:31:12am

re: #98 Lidane

POTUS is a Time Lord, GM bailout edition:

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The GM ignition recall is for vehicles manufactured from 2003-2007.

Yep, total Time Lord.

104 EmmaAnne  Apr 2, 2014 7:32:31am

re: #47 Justanotherhuman

So much “body english” is lost via modern communications. And so is real trust.

I am the opposite. I try to get anything important done by email. If I meet with someone or talk to them on the phone, and anything important is agreed to, I email a summary afterwards. In my experience people think they understand each other and what they agreed to when they meet, but unless it is in writing, it diverges sharply over time. It isn’t even deliberate - people think their memories are much better than they are.

105 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 2, 2014 7:34:09am

re: #95 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

The kid wasn’t suspended for making fingers into the shape of a gun.

He was suspended for being disruptive in class, after repeated warnings.

The parent’s response was HURR HURR!!!! BOYS WILL BE BOYS!!!! TEH COMMON CORE IS WUSSIFYING MY MANLY SON!!!!!!

106 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 2, 2014 7:35:01am

re: #105 Pie-onist Overlord

He was suspended for being disruptive in class, after repeated warnings.

The parent’s response was HURR HURR!!!! BOYS WILL BE BOYS!!!! TEH COMMON CORE IS WUSSIFYING MY MANLY SON!!!!!!

If we started arming teachers I suspect this could have ended badly.
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108 Mattand  Apr 2, 2014 7:36:59am

re: #98 Lidane

POTUS is a Time Lord, GM bailout edition:

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<unfrozen caveman lawyer>
Look, I’m just a simple caveman. To me, your “clocks” are run by tiny magic elves who live inside them. Sure, you can point to your so-called “calendars” and claim Obama (if that’s his real name) wasn’t inaugurated until 2009.

All I know is that he’s the President NOW! Why is denying his involvement in this scandal that took place on his watch before he was elected???

</unfrozen caveman lawyer>

109 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 2, 2014 7:38:00am

re: #80 Pie-onist Overlord

What is this shit, I just can’t even…
Wingnuts spamming the STUPIDEST. MEME. EVER.

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Because these dimwits cannot tell the difference between Holy Scripture and a science text…

110 Lidane  Apr 2, 2014 7:39:18am

re: #109 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Because these dimwits cannot tell the difference between Holy Scripture and a science text…

Because they’ve been taught that the Bible IS a science text.

111 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 2, 2014 7:39:59am

re: #95 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

The kid wasn’t suspended for making fingers into the shape of a gun.

It was just spun that way, like the kid who shaped his cracker into a gun shape. It had to do with his overall behavior. But hey…OUTRAGE!!!

112 Aqua Obama  Apr 2, 2014 7:40:18am

Roberts hates you:

Image: BkOQ_n3CMAInTFk.jpg:large

113 Killgore Trout  Apr 2, 2014 7:41:14am

No fact check ruling from WaPo, not enough evidence
Obamacare enrollment numbers: what we know and what we don’t know

114 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 2, 2014 7:41:17am

HAV MOAR STUPIDS.

115 GunstarGreen  Apr 2, 2014 7:41:54am

re: #80 Pie-onist Overlord

What is this shit, I just can’t even…
Wingnuts spamming the STUPIDEST. MEME. EVER.

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Your mileage may vary depending upon which version of the Book you happen to be reading.

For example, regarding 2 Samuel 22:16 on “The ocean has deep valleys and mountains”…

New International Version
The valleys of the sea were exposed and the foundations of the earth laid bare at the rebuke of the LORD, at the blast of breath from his nostrils.

New Living Translation
Then at the command of the LORD, at the blast of his breath, the bottom of the sea could be seen, and the foundations of the earth were laid bare.

English Standard Version
Then the channels of the sea were seen; the foundations of the world were laid bare, at the rebuke of the LORD, at the blast of the breath of his nostrils.

New American Standard Bible
“Then the channels of the sea appeared, The foundations of the world were laid bare By the rebuke of the LORD, At the blast of the breath of His nostrils.

King James Bible
And the channels of the sea appeared, the foundations of the world were discovered, at the rebuking of the LORD, at the blast of the breath of his nostrils.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
The depths of the sea became visible, the foundations of the world were exposed at the rebuke of the LORD, at the blast of the breath of His nostrils.

International Standard Version
The currents of the sea were revealed and the foundations of the world were exposed at the rebuke of the LORD and at the blazing breath from his nostrils!

NET Bible
The depths of the sea were exposed; the inner regions of the world were uncovered by the LORD’s battle cry, by the powerful breath from his nose.

GOD’S WORD(r) Translation
Then the ocean floor could be seen. The foundations of the earth were laid bare at the LORD’s stern warning, at the blast of the breath from his nostrils.

Jubilee Bible 2000
Then the springs of the sea appeared and the foundations of the world were uncovered, at the rebuking of the LORD, at the blast of the breath of his nostrils.

King James 2000 Bible
And the channels of the sea appeared, the foundations of the world were discovered, at the rebuking of the LORD, at the blast of the breath of his nostrils.

American King James Version
And the channels of the sea appeared, the foundations of the world were discovered, at the rebuking of the LORD, at the blast of the breath of his nostrils.

American Standard Version
Then the channels of the sea appeared, The foundations of the world were laid bare, By the rebuke of Jehovah, At the blast of the breath of his nostrils.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And the overflowings of the sea appeared, and the foundations of the world were laid open at the rebuke of the Lord, at the blast of the spirit of his wrath.

Darby Bible Translation
And the beds of the sea were seen, The foundations of the world were uncovered At the rebuke of Jehovah, At the blast of the breath of his nostrils.

English Revised Version
Then the channels of the sea appeared, the foundations of the world were laid bare, by the rebuke of the LORD, at the blast of the breath of his nostrils.

Webster’s Bible Translation
And the channels of the sea appeared, the foundations of the world were laid open, at the rebuking of the LORD, at the blast of the breath of his nostrils.

World English Bible
Then the channels of the sea appeared. The foundations of the world were laid bare by the rebuke of Yahweh, At the blast of the breath of his nostrils.

Young’s Literal Translation
And seen are the streams of the sea, Revealed are foundations of the world, By the rebuke of Jehovah, From the breath of the spirit of His anger.

Why yes, if you search through enough of the re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-translated versions of the Bible, you will eventually find one that has words that could be interpreted as agreeing with modern science on some points.

116 GunstarGreen  Apr 2, 2014 7:42:54am

re: #114 Pie-onist Overlord

HAV MOAR STUPIDS.

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“Please explain why you are able to display these bumper stickers and not, you know, in a death camp right now.”

117 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 2, 2014 7:43:45am

re: #115 GunstarGreen

Your mileage may vary depending upon which version of the Book you happen to be reading.

For example, regarding 2 Samuel 22:16 on “The ocean has deep valleys and mountains”…

Why yes, if you search through enough of the re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-translated versions of the Bible, you will >eventually find one that has words that could be interpreted as agreeing with modern science on some points.

[Most Interesting Man]
I don’t often read the Scriptures,
But when I do it’s in the original Hebrew/Aramaic
[/Most Interesting Man]

118 Aqua Obama  Apr 2, 2014 7:44:09am

Does God have nose hair?

119 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 2, 2014 7:44:22am

re: #114 Pie-onist Overlord

HAV MOAR STUPIDS.

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Neither can you Spell “National Rifle Association” without “SS”.

120 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 2, 2014 7:44:30am

en.wikipedia.org

More fun with pastry. My brother’s version of this is a way to use up “leftover” venison/lamb stew. Put it in a pastry shell and bake it!

:)

(Need to find a picture of the finished product - I’m pretty sure I took one when he visited.)

121 Aqua Obama  Apr 2, 2014 7:45:05am

You can’t spell Reince Preibus without …. never mind.

122 Lidane  Apr 2, 2014 7:45:26am

I am amused by the wingnut flailing on my FB. Links from Heritage are a flyin’ where there is nitpicking between “enrollment” and “signups”.

This is great. The same GOP that said no one would sign up for Obamacare are now nitpicking the numbers of the people who’ve signed up for Obamacare.

123 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 2, 2014 7:47:15am

HURR HURR!!! BUT TEH DEMOCRATS IS TEH REAL RACISTS!!!!!!

124 Bulworth  Apr 2, 2014 7:48:03am

re: #123 Pie-onist Overlord

Proud to be a…troubled heart?

125 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 2, 2014 7:48:06am

“Proud to be Asian” is the funniest, because, y’know, just Asian. Japanese and Chinese and Koreans just locked in love of Asianness.

126 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 2, 2014 7:48:20am

re: #86 lawhawk

The Supreme Court, in a divided ruling, found that aggregate limits on campaign contributions violates the 1st Amendment.

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Hoo-ray! Bribery is now legal! Just call it campaign contribution and divide it into as many small chunks as needed.

< spit >

127 Killgore Trout  Apr 2, 2014 7:48:29am

NATO general: Russia has ‘entire suite ready to go’ for Ukraine incursion

NATO’s supreme allied commander in Europe warns that Russia could ‘accomplish its objectives in between 3 and 5 days’ if ordered.

128 lawhawk  Apr 2, 2014 7:50:11am

re: #122 Lidane

I am amused by the wingnut flailing on my FB. Links from Heritage are a flyin’ where there is nitpicking between “enrollment” and “signups”.

This is great. The same GOP that said no one would sign up for Obamacare are now nitpicking the numbers of the people who’ve signed up for Obamacare.

Shifting goalposts.

It is indisputable that millions of people who didn’t have insurance before the ACA now do. And that’s despite the efforts of the GOP to delay, deny, and destroy the ACA at every step of the way.

Now, it will have a chance to give millions of people the opportunity to buy affordable health insurance that they were previously unable to get through marketplaces of private insurance policies sold by co-ops and private for-profit and nonprofit insurance companies.

129 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 2, 2014 7:50:12am

People who say “I’m proud to be White” are totally racist.

Non-racist white people say something like “I am proud of my French/Italian/German/Polish/Ukrainian/Slovenian/Swiss/WhateverEuropean heritage which includes THIS AWESOME FOOD”

130 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 2, 2014 7:52:28am

re: #117 Pie-onist Overlord

[Most Interesting Man]
I don’t often read the Scriptures,
But when I do it’s in the original Hebrew/Aramaic
[/Most Interesting Man]

Alas, my hebrew/greek/aramaic isn’t good enough (Latin doesn’t count - the Vulgate has major issues too). I do stick to the NRSV & the new Jewish Publication Society Tanakh though since they’re the best translations I am aware of.

131 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 2, 2014 7:55:01am

“Ethnic Heritage” consists of the following:

Language (which includes literature, poetry, folklore)
Music
Food
Local religious customs (part of a larger religious community which spans multiple ethnicities and racial groups)
Costume (basically “gang colors”)

132 Aqua Obama  Apr 2, 2014 7:57:10am

re: #123 Pie-onist Overlord

Great watermark. The only thing you can make out is MUST DIE

133 Aqua Obama  Apr 2, 2014 7:59:49am

Roberts again:

‘Even accepting Buckley’s circumvention theory, it is hard to see how a candidate today could receive “massive amounts of money” that could be traced back to a particular donor unihibited by the aggregate limits’

134 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 2, 2014 8:01:21am

HOW DID THAT WORK OUT FOR Y’ALL THE LAST TIME YOU TRIED IT?

135 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 2, 2014 8:01:55am

re: #133 Aqua Obama

Roberts again:

Unless you bother to read newspapers, I guess.

136 Decatur Deb  Apr 2, 2014 8:06:45am

re: #122 Lidane

I am amused by the wingnut flailing on my FB. Links from Heritage are a flyin’ where there is nitpicking between “enrollment” and “signups”.

This is great. The same GOP that said no one would sign up for Obamacare are now nitpicking the numbers of the people who’ve signed up for Obamacare.

The ‘signup’ confusion is a product of the ACA process—it has 5 steps, and after the first one you could call yourself ‘signed-up’:

1. Establish an account with a userid and password.

2. Submit qualifying information to the hub.

3. Receive an eligibility statement to join the marketplace and possible subsidy. (At this point the poorest are bumped over to Medicaid, if your fucking state has accepted the federal Medicaid extension.) If you do get to Medicaid, you are sort of ‘enrolled’.

4. Get access to and review the private-sector plans in your area.

5. Select a plan, get the cigar. By this point you are certainly ‘enrolled’.

Step 6 of 5—Pay the private insurance company.

Step 0 of 5—Establish an email account with AOL, Gmail, Yahoo, etc. which the system demands before Step 1.

137 Decatur Deb  Apr 2, 2014 8:07:57am

re: #131 Pie-onist Overlord

“Ethnic Heritage” consists of the following:

Language (which includes literature, poetry, folklore)
Music
Food
Local religious customs (part of a larger religious community which spans multiple ethnicities and racial groups)
Costume (basically “gang colors”)

Historical blood grudges going back a few centuries.

138 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 2, 2014 8:08:44am

re: #134 Pie-onist Overlord

HOW DID THAT WORK OUT FOR Y’ALL THE LAST TIME YOU TRIED IT?

Under “God” I assume you mean “The Christian God that corresponds to my interpretation of the Bible”.

So “anti-your view of God” is “anti-American”.

Thank you for explaining why our Founding Fathers had the God-given sense to maintain a separation of Church and State.

139 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 2, 2014 8:10:14am

Dumb wingnut now following me on Twitter because I “favorited” his Tweet in order to keep it to make fun of.

140 Decatur Deb  Apr 2, 2014 8:11:38am

re: #139 Pie-onist Overlord

Dumb wingnut now following me on Twitter because I “favorited” his Tweet in order to keep it to make fun of.

Down here that’s called “hunting on a baited field”.

141 Bulworth  Apr 2, 2014 8:11:44am

re: #139 Pie-onist Overlord

That’ll teach ya

142 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 2, 2014 8:15:26am

re: #140 Decatur Deb

Down here that’s called “hunting on a baited field”.

She is collecting them for a new pie recipe.

143 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 2, 2014 8:19:38am

re: #142 Feline Fearless Leader

She is collecting them for a new pie recipe.

Wingnut pie, taste just like cow pie.

144 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 2, 2014 8:22:40am

re: #143 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnut pie, taste just like cow pie.

Like these?

baraboocandy.com

145 Lidane  Apr 2, 2014 8:23:31am

No one could have predicted:

146 Ryan King  Apr 2, 2014 8:24:53am

re: #145 Lidane

This is my Amazeballs Face.

147 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 2, 2014 8:33:00am

re: #144 William Barnett-Lewis

Like these? [Embedded image]

baraboocandy.com

Just the thing to get your favorite Cheesehead!
;P

148 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 2, 2014 8:39:20am

re: #126 William Barnett-Lewis

Hoo-ray! Bribery is now legal! Just call it campaign contribution and divide it into as many small chunks as needed.

< spit >

Here in Texas, the legislature is already a house of ill repute. How much worse is it going to get before it gets better? Perhaps Ebay can profit by setting up a new category for political influence and legislative votes.

149 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 2, 2014 8:43:00am

re: #125 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

“Proud to be Asian” is the funniest, because, y’know, just Asian. Japanese and Chinese and Koreans just locked in love of Asianness.

I remember picking up some Ramen noodles (hey, they are a staple in my pantry), and they had Chicken, Beef, Shrimp, Pork flavors. At least they pretended that it was some critter taste.

They also had “Asian Flavor”. I left that one alone.

RBS

150 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 2, 2014 8:44:00am

re: #149 RealityBasedSteve

I remember picking up some Ramen noodles (hey, they are a staple in my pantry), and they had Chicken, Beef, Shrimp, Pork flavors. At least they pretended that it was some critter taste.

They also had “Asian Flavor”. I left that one alone.

RBS

Let’s try not to visit Colbertland, mmkay?

151 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 2, 2014 8:47:04am
152 Decatur Deb  Apr 2, 2014 8:47:21am

re: #148 Shiplord Kirel

Here in Texas, the legislature is already a house of ill repute. How much worse is it going to get before it gets better? Perhaps Ebay can profit by setting up a new category for political influence and legislative votes.

This is irritating, but not a world-changer. It’s not like Sheldon Adelson
had difficulty blowing up to 150 million in 2012. This way he just saves on
postage.

153 GunstarGreen  Apr 2, 2014 8:51:03am

re: #134 Pie-onist Overlord

HOW DID THAT WORK OUT FOR Y’ALL THE LAST TIME YOU TRIED IT?

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“Which God, exactly? The Protestant God? The Baptist God? The Methodist God? The Lutheran God? The Catholic God? Allah? Buddah? Zeus? Odin? Shiva? Are you sure that you aren’t Anti-God? Perhaps you are the traitor for worshiping a false idol?”

154 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 2, 2014 8:52:44am

re: #153 GunstarGreen

“Which God, exactly? The Protestant God? The Baptist God? The Methodist God? The Lutheran God? The Catholic God? Allah? Buddah? Zeus? Odin? Shiva? Are you sure that >you aren’t Anti-God? Perhaps >you are the traitor for worshiping a false idol?”

Oops. So much for that Pascal’s Wager idea.
O_o

155 lawhawk  Apr 2, 2014 8:52:50am

He’s proposing to repeal and replace ACA with something else. The details will be developed later.

The ACA has been law since 2009. It’s been debated since it was first proposed in 2008, and the GOP has made repeal a central part of its election/reelection strategy in every election since.

But Jindal’s now coming up with a “fresh” approach, which is essentially the same one that Romney provided in 2012.

It’s vaporware, pure and simple.

156 Timothy Watson  Apr 2, 2014 8:53:46am

re: #155 lawhawk

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He’s proposing to repeal and replace ACA with something else. The details will be developed later.

The ACA has been law since 2009. It’s been debated since it was first proposed in 2008, and the GOP has made repeal a central part of its election/reelection strategy in every election since.

But Jindal’s now coming up with a “fresh” approach, which is essentially the same one that Romney provided in 2012.

It’s vaporware, pure and simple.

Vaporware with a huge tax increase on working Americans by taxing their health benefits.

157 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 2, 2014 8:55:34am

re: #152 Decatur Deb

This is irritating, but not a world-changer. It’s not like Sheldon Adelson
had difficulty blowing up to 150 million in 2012. This way he just saves on
postage.

When I worked for the Wisconsin Elections Board (93 - 03), my boss would say that the impression of impropriety was often worse to the people looking at government than the reality. This gives the impression of impropriety to every donation made.

158 GunstarGreen  Apr 2, 2014 8:55:34am

re: #154 Feline Fearless Leader

Oops. So much for that Pascal’s Wager idea.
O_o

Yeah. The existence of multiple, mutually-exclusive religions pretty much shoots Pascal’s Wager right the hell down. It’s a point I bring up every time someone tries to use it on me. “Well, what if your god is the wrong god, and you’ve wasted your life and you’re going to see Hades anyway because you failed to give Zeus his due?”

159 Bulworth  Apr 2, 2014 8:56:02am

re: #155 lawhawk

vaporware?

160 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 2, 2014 8:56:27am

re: #154 Feline Fearless Leader

Oops. So much for that Pascal’s Wager idea.
O_o

My son, the Rabbi in Alabama, always gets the “Pascal’s Wager” challenge from evangelicals who want to convert Teh Juice, and he turns it back around on them.

“Well, what if at the end of your life you get to the Beyond, and you find out that Jesus expected everybody to be a Juice just like he was? Whattaya gonna do then?”

Sometime just to mix things up a little he will say, “Well I would still choose to go to hell, if it means being with my People.”

161 Eventual Carrion  Apr 2, 2014 8:56:45am

re: #115 GunstarGreen

Your mileage may vary depending upon which version of the Book you happen to be reading.

For example, regarding 2 Samuel 22:16 on “The ocean has deep valleys and mountains”…

Why yes, if you search through enough of the re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-translated versions of the Bible, you will >eventually find one that has words that could be interpreted as agreeing with modern science on some points.

And how many times is “the four corners of the earth” mentioned in the bible? A sphere doesn’t have corners.

162 Lidane  Apr 2, 2014 8:56:47am

re: #155 lawhawk

It’s vaporware, pure and simple.

So is Paul Ryan’s budget. And most GOP ideas.

163 Eventual Carrion  Apr 2, 2014 8:58:35am

re: #121 Aqua Obama

You can’t spell Reince Preibus without …. never mind.

The letters p, e, n, i, and s.

164 Lidane  Apr 2, 2014 8:59:18am
166 Ryan King  Apr 2, 2014 8:59:49am

re: #163 Eventual Carrion

Prince R….

No, nope. Not gonna do it, no way.

167 lawhawk  Apr 2, 2014 8:59:59am

re: #156 Timothy Watson

And it would end up causing as much or more disruption to health care because it would leave a whole lot of the individual terms up to the states.

thehill.com

To transition the healthcare system away from ObamaCare, Jindal would create a $100 billion grant program for states to guarantee coverage for people with pre-existing conditions. The states would have to lower the growth of premium costs in exchange.

This program would take the place of the Affordable Care Act’s various coverage guarantees, allowing states to decide, for example, whether young people under 26 can remain on a parent’s plan like current law requires.

It will be hard for the plan to avoid creating upheaval in the healthcare system, just as the Affordable Care Act did, despite claims to the contrary.

In Medicare, Jindal would have seniors pay for coverage using a sum of money from the government. This would dramatically change the current system, where beneficiaries are entitled to needed medical care on a fee-for-service basis.

The proposal would also cut Medicaid spending by block-granting the program. Eliminating the tax preference for employer-based coverage and allowing insurance to be sold across state lines round out the familiar conservative proposals.

A former state and federal health official, Jindal said his plan would lower healthcare costs, protect the most vulnerable and expand portability and choice in healthcare.

Instead of setting national standards, you’d have 51 different takes on this, so it would make it even more confusing than the current system. A state could opt to make coverages for dependents only to age 21, or 26, or any age in between (or lower). The net effect would be to reduce the coverage for Americans.

The Medicaid proposals would be just as destructive, and would foist costs on to the individual - some of whom are unlikely to be able to absorb the costs, causing medical bankruptcies and cause hardships to them and their families.

Of course, the Jindal proposal includes anti-abortion provisions that would make it illegal for an insurer to get federal funds if they provide insurance coverage for abortions (and given the way that anti-abortion activists conflate birth control with abortion, that would be another misogynistic assault on womens’ rights).

168 Eventual Carrion  Apr 2, 2014 9:01:10am

re: #127 Killgore Trout

NATO general: Russia has ‘entire suite ready to go’ for Ukraine incursion

And will be greeted with flowers and candy. And oil revenues will pay for their incursion.

// Sorry, mixing this one up with US Iraq invasion.

169 Varek Raith  Apr 2, 2014 9:02:15am

re: #155 lawhawk

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He’s proposing to repeal and replace ACA with something else. The details will be developed later.

The ACA has been law since 2009. It’s been debated since it was first proposed in 2008, and the GOP has made repeal a central part of its election/reelection strategy in every election since.

But Jindal’s now coming up with a “fresh” approach, which is essentially the same one that Romney provided in 2012.

It’s vaporware, pure and simple.

170 kirkspencer  Apr 2, 2014 9:02:39am

re: #31 Pie-onist Overlord

Is there any Lizard here looking for a job in Monterey CA?

If it pays for the move I’m looking for a job anywhere.

171 Decatur Deb  Apr 2, 2014 9:07:34am

re: #167 lawhawk

And it would end up causing as much or more disruption to health care because it would leave a whole lot of the individual terms up to the states.

thehill.com

Instead of setting national standards, you’d have 51 different takes on this, so it would make it even more confusing than the current system. A state could opt to make coverages for dependents only to age 21, or 26, or any age in between (or lower). The net effect would be to reduce the coverage for Americans.

The Medicaid proposals would be just as destructive, and would foist costs on to the individual - some of whom are unlikely to be able to absorb the costs, causing medical bankruptcies and cause hardships to them and their families.

Of course, the Jindal proposal includes anti-abortion provisions that would make it illegal for an insurer to get federal funds if they provide insurance coverage for abortions (and given the way that anti-abortion activists conflate birth control with abortion, that would be another misogynistic assault on womens’ rights).

Every time I think there might be some argument for state-level control of the political process, I remember Louisiana, then go back to being Fed First.

172 RadicalModerate  Apr 2, 2014 9:08:29am

re: #123 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!! BUT TEH DEMOCRATS IS TEH REAL RACISTS!!!!!!

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This comes straight from the Stormfront “swarmfront” boilerplate of talking points. So, it isn’t surprising at all that freepers are starting to openly parrot white nationalist literature.

173 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 2, 2014 9:10:59am

re: #172 RadicalModerate

This comes straight from the Stormfront “swarmfront” boilerplate of talking points. So, it isn’t surprising at all that freepers are starting to openly parrot white nationalist literature.

Another typical wingnut talking point is MARGARET SANGER!!!! RACIST, EUGENICIST, KKK MEMBER!!!!!!!

That’s like saying Juice shouldn’t drive Fords because Henry Ford was an anti-Semite.

174 Justanotherhuman  Apr 2, 2014 9:11:27am

And you thought the tech world would be color blind and free of sex bias? SOS, different year.

175 Varek Raith  Apr 2, 2014 9:12:19am

re: #123 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!! BUT TEH DEMOCRATS IS TEH REAL RACISTS!!!!!!

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Yes, wingnuts, go tell the Chinese and Japanese that they are the same.

176 Decatur Deb  Apr 2, 2014 9:12:22am

re: #173 Pie-onist Overlord

Another typical wingnut talking point is MARGARET SANGER!!!! RACIST, EUGENICIST, KKK MEMBER!!!!!!!

That’s like saying Juice shouldn’t drive Fords because Henry Ford was an anti-Semite.

Was somewhat surprised by the frequency of Mercedes and BMWs in Tel Aviv.

177 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 2, 2014 9:12:29am

re: #174 Justanotherhuman

And you thought the tech world would be color blind and free of sex bias? SOS, different year.

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I think there were more women engineers in the late ‘80’s and ‘90’s than there are now.

178 Timothy Watson  Apr 2, 2014 9:14:56am

re: #174 Justanotherhuman

And you thought the tech world would be color blind and free of sex bias? SOS, different year.

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Maybe women are just smarter and don’t use Microsoft products?

179 b_sharp  Apr 2, 2014 9:16:16am

re: #132 Aqua Obama

Great watermark. The only thing you can make out is >MUST DIE

Political correctness - must die.

180 Bulworth  Apr 2, 2014 9:18:38am
He’s proposing to repeal and replace ACA with something else. The details will be developed later.

Republicans did their best to insist the new numbers weren’t really important.

“That misses the whole issue,” Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma said of the news of the enrollment surge. “You can play the numbers game, which is what they’re playing, but the devil is in the details, and the details are not good.”

So there ya go. The numbers matter—the numbers don’t matter…the details matter—the details don’t matter….

politico.com

181 iossarian  Apr 2, 2014 9:21:46am

re: #178 Timothy Watson

Maybe women are just smarter and don’t use Microsoft products?

It would take a special sort of woman to find sweaty, chair-throwing, developer-exhorting Steve Ballmer enticing.

182 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 2, 2014 9:24:11am

re: #174 Justanotherhuman

And you thought the tech world would be color blind and free of sex bias? SOS, different year.

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Yea… when I go to DevConnections in Vegas each year, I feel sorry for the few women who are attending, they get a lot more attention then they probably appreciate.

RBS

183 Decatur Deb  Apr 2, 2014 9:24:17am

re: #178 Timothy Watson

Maybe women are just smarter and don’t use Microsoft products?

Does Microsoft even make a sandwich grill?

184 iossarian  Apr 2, 2014 9:24:51am

re: #180 Bulworth

FTA:

“At the very beginning, when they weren’t even able to sign anybody up, it seemed like the airplane couldn’t even get off the ground,” Krauthammer said in an interview. “Now we’ll see whether it can actually fly.”

2015 Krauthammer: “Now we’ll see whether they offer in-flight meals.”

2017 Krauthammer: “Now we’ll see how good these IN-FLIGHT MOVIES are.”

2023 Krauthammer: “I’ve got to admit, this ‘no-fee bag check’ thing is pretty cool.”

185 iossarian  Apr 2, 2014 9:25:24am

re: #183 Decatur Deb

Does Microsoft even make a sandwich grill?

You’re going straight to hell for that one.

186 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 2, 2014 9:25:31am

re: #181 iossarian

It would take a special sort of woman to find sweaty, chair-throwing, developer-exhorting Steve Ballmer enticing.

I remember going to these events 20 years ago. They were horrible. Basically a bunch of independent software developers want to sell us stuff, I wore a GM badge at the time so they were like slobbering all over us.

187 Bulworth  Apr 2, 2014 9:27:36am

re: #184 iossarian

2025 Krauthammer: Dems took GOP healthcare idea, that’s why it works and is popular

2027 Krauthammer: GOP passed healthcare and has always been the party for universal healthcare

188 Decatur Deb  Apr 2, 2014 9:28:06am

re: #185 iossarian

You’re going straight to hell for that one.

“It seems you are trying to make a panini.”

189 iossarian  Apr 2, 2014 9:28:09am

re: #187 Bulworth

2025 Krauthammer: Dems took GOP healthcare idea, that’s why it works and is popular

2027 Krauthammer: GOP passed healthcare and has always been the party for universal healthcare

Lol so true.

DEMS ARE THE REAL OPPONENTS OF CHEAP UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE

190 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 2, 2014 9:28:56am

This meme: SO MUCH TEH STUPIDS.

191 Bulworth  Apr 2, 2014 9:32:11am

re: #189 iossarian

2029 Krauthammer: GOP made people take responsibility for their healthcare by mandating coverage. Why do Dems hate personal responsibility?

2031 Krauthammer: Dems are out to take your healthcare away from you by putting all money in food stamps

192 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 2, 2014 9:33:17am

re: #190 Pie-onist Overlord

This meme: SO MUCH TEH STUPIDS.

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If the category is “People who think that you should not be able to own every gun you can get your hands on” then Obama fits.

193 kirkspencer  Apr 2, 2014 9:35:01am

re: #177 Pie-onist Overlord

I think there were more women engineers in the late ‘80’s and ‘90’s than there are now.

In part it depends on field. In part it depends on what you mean by engineer. And in part it’s just that it’s still too low.

The number of women in and graduating from engineering programs has gradually increased. It’s now about 16% overall (all engineering).

The number of women actually working as engineers… the big thing is that once you’re out you’ve got to deal with getting employed and getting promoted. Or if you strike out on your own getting customers. And that’s where the real problems come into play.

They’re out there. Heck, one recently became CEO of GM. But the proportion who end up taking up a different career is higher than it is for males. At this time only about 10% (as high as 12, as low as 7, depending on source) of working engineers are women.

(I’ve a particular interest. My daughter’s in the fourth year of an expected five year mechanical engineering program at Georgia Tech. Yes, I expect to brag about it one of these days.)

194 Justanotherhuman  Apr 2, 2014 9:35:55am

re: #181 iossarian

It would take a special sort of woman to find sweaty, chair-throwing, developer-exhorting Steve Ballmer enticing.

A lot of us don’t indulge in worshiping “St. SJ”, either, or erecting fantasy altars to him as so many guys have done. And he would have had the same guys for lunch, metaphorically speaking, and thought nothing of it.

195 Timothy Watson  Apr 2, 2014 9:37:33am

re: #190 Pie-onist Overlord

This meme: SO MUCH TEH STUPIDS.

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They forgot to put Margaret Thatcher under the “people who think you shouldn’t”, since it was her Tory government which passed and implemented the Firearms (Amendment) Act of 1988.

196 Mattand  Apr 2, 2014 9:38:58am

Fallon Mocks Obamacare: ‘Amazing’ People Enrolled In Something ‘Mandatory’

Ummm, okay.

Kinda wonder if Jimmy is having his Dennis Miller moment.

197 Bulworth  Apr 2, 2014 9:39:50am

re: #196 Mattand

Yeah, not mandatory, they can pay a small fine. Derp.

198 Mattand  Apr 2, 2014 9:45:41am

re: #197 Bulworth

Yeah, not mandatory, they can pay a small fine. Derp.

Look for Matt Drudge on the Tonight Show couch soon:

Matt Drudge Is (Probably) Lying About Paying A Huge Obamacare ‘Liberty Tax’

Almost makes me wonder if the suits at NBC told Jimmy he has to appeal to the red states more than he has. Shitting on Obama will get him there in a New York minute.

199 Gus  Apr 2, 2014 9:45:46am

#CancelFallon!

200 Killgore Trout  Apr 2, 2014 9:47:14am

Chanel 4 gets into the Fact Checking game: FactCheck: Clegg/Farage - the lies to look out for

201 Mattand  Apr 2, 2014 9:47:17am

re: #199 Gus

I wouldn’t notice. I’m usually switching between Conan and Colbert, if we’re not watching the DVR.

202 Decatur Deb  Apr 2, 2014 9:47:32am

re: #193 kirkspencer

MMmmm..Varsity chilidogs.

203 Killgore Trout  Apr 2, 2014 9:49:28am

re: #199 Gus

#CancelFallon!

What happened? Everybody wants to cancel but nobody says why.

204 Killgore Trout  Apr 2, 2014 9:51:29am

Ah, here it is

Jimmy Fallon Shreds ObamaCare (video)

205 Justanotherhuman  Apr 2, 2014 9:54:27am

Judge halts Texas execution; says prison agency must disclose drug source to inmate’s lawyers - @AP
end of alert

2m
Report: JPMorgan commodities chief Blythe Masters to leave bank - @BloombergTV
see original on twitter.com

Masters will get a nice pkg and another gig somewhere. There’s a reason I despise this woman as much as any male exec on Wall St.

businessweek.com

“Masters became (in)famous for her role in creating credit default swaps, which she developed at JPMorgan in the 1990s. Their abuse helped trigger the 2008 financial crisis, leading CNBC, in October 2009, to refer to her as “the woman behind financial weapons of mass destruction.” Perhaps because she worked in complex, highly-profitable areas of finance, turmoil continued to follow Masters through her career.

“As Bloomberg Businessweek’s Paul M. Barrett outlined in this profile: “It’s turning out that 2013 is Masters’s rockiest year yet. In the spring the New York Times reported on a confidential memorandum in which investigators for the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission alleged that Masters made ‘false and misleading statements’ under oath about electricity-trading improprieties. The FERC memo described ‘manipulative schemes’ devised by Masters’s underlings that purportedly transferred $83 million from California and Michigan ratepayers to JPMorgan’s coffers.”

“Masters denied the accusations, and JPMorgan Chief Executive Officer Jamie Dimon has remained fiercely loyal, both inside the bank and externally. “Blythe is an outstanding individual and has done an impressive job at our firm over many years,” Dimon told Barrett through a spokesperson. JPMorgan settled the FERC case last July by agreeing to pay $410 million, without admitting or denying culpability.”

206 GunstarGreen  Apr 2, 2014 9:54:45am

re: #174 Justanotherhuman

And you thought the tech world would be color blind and free of sex bias? SOS, different year.

[Embedded content]

The tech sector has the same problem with attracting lady engineers that every other sector has. It’s not unique on that front.

Societal perceptions of traditional gender roles has a fair bit to do with it. Most women start looking at me cross-eyed when I start getting into the gritty details of hardware/software, and it’s not because they’re not intelligent enough to handle such topics. They most certainly are, they just aren’t interested. And keep in mind, this is within an IT shop context.

The question becomes “How do you get women to be interested in heavy engineering fields?” We have yet to find a good answer for it.

207 Killgore Trout  Apr 2, 2014 9:54:58am

The Putin “window shopping” joke was funny.

208 iossarian  Apr 2, 2014 9:56:20am

re: #200 Killgore Trout

Chanel 4 gets into the Fact Checking game: FactCheck: Clegg/Farage - the lies to look out for

Is that like a cheap knock-off of Chanel #5 that smells like old socks?

209 Aqua Obama  Apr 2, 2014 9:57:32am

Holy cow, Roberts calls what everybody else considers corruption to be “gratitude” and then goes on to cite himself in his own opinion.

I knew he was shameless (see the Commerce Clause stuff he pulled out his ass during the ACA debate), but wow.

210 Killgore Trout  Apr 2, 2014 10:00:42am

In Bradbury’s fahrenheit 451 the public support for censorship came from people watching bland inoffensive TV shows. He’s not too far off but there’s an added dimension. Today a lot of people have their own bubble of partisan news and entertainment which is tailored to the target audience, when people venture outside their bubble things seem strange and offensive. The instinct seems to be the desire to expand their bubble so they aren’t exposed to cartoons, jokes or information from outside.

211 JustMark  Apr 2, 2014 10:02:13am

re: #153 GunstarGreen

“Which God, exactly? The Protestant God? The Baptist God? The Methodist God? The Lutheran God? The Catholic God? Allah? Buddah? Zeus? Odin? Shiva? Are you sure that >you aren’t Anti-God? Perhaps >you are the traitor for worshiping a false idol?”

Odin. Because, Thor.

212 Justanotherhuman  Apr 2, 2014 10:04:06am

re: #206 GunstarGreen

The tech sector has the same problem with attracting lady engineers that every other sector has. It’s not unique on that front.

Societal perceptions of traditional gender roles has a fair bit to do with it. Most women start looking at me cross-eyed when I start getting into the gritty details of hardware/software, and it’s not because they’re not intelligent enough to handle such topics. They most certainly are, they just aren’t interested. And keep in mind, this is within an IT shop context.

The question becomes “How do you get women to be interested in heavy engineering fields?” We have yet to find a good answer for it.

It goes far deeper than “attracting lady engineers”.

What is a “lady engineer” anyway?

213 GunstarGreen  Apr 2, 2014 10:05:34am

re: #212 Justanotherhuman

It goes far deeper than “attracting lady engineers”.

What is a “lady engineer” anyway?

An engineer that happens to be female.

214 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 2, 2014 10:06:00am

re: #212 Justanotherhuman

It goes far deeper than “attracting lady engineers”.

What is a “lady engineer” anyway?

I had a job interview in the early ‘90’s, when I walked into the room one of the interviewers blurted out “We were expecting a man!” (I have a gender ambiguous name)

I did not get that job.

215 iossarian  Apr 2, 2014 10:06:09am

re: #210 Killgore Trout

In Bradbury’s fahrenheit 451 the public support for censorship came from people watching bland inoffensive TV shows. He’s not too far off but there’s an added dimension. Today a lot of people have their own bubble of partisan news and entertainment which is tailored to the target audience, when people venture outside their bubble things seem strange and offensive. The instinct seems to be the desire to expand their bubble so they aren’t exposed to cartoons, jokes or information from outside.

I think that’s true of some people but not of others. For example, I read Redstate regularly, partly for the lulz but also because I genuinely want to understand what the issues are that get these folks so worked up.

My perception is that the desire to understand the “other“‘s point of view is more to be found on the left/liberal side of things than the right/conservative (which is sort of the same point I was making with reference to Suey Park yesterday).

216 Mattand  Apr 2, 2014 10:08:15am

re: #210 Killgore Trout

In Bradbury’s fahrenheit 451 the public support for censorship came from people watching bland inoffensive TV shows. He’s not too far off but there’s an added dimension. Today a lot of people have their own bubble of partisan news and entertainment which is tailored to the target audience, when people venture outside their bubble things seem strange and offensive. The instinct seems to be the desire to expand their bubble so they aren’t exposed to cartoons, jokes or information from outside.

I’d be curious what Bradbury had to say about people who relentlessly refuse to take a stand on something by pretending “They’re all the same.”

Maybe he’d call them gutless cowards.

217 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 2, 2014 10:09:02am

re: #210 Killgore Trout

Make up your mind which dumbass theory you subscribe to: That people want to perpetually be outraged or they want to be insulated in a bubble. These are contrary and opposing theories, and you randomly advance both of them. Makes you look foolish.

218 JustMark  Apr 2, 2014 10:10:50am

re: #176 Decatur Deb

Was somewhat surprised by the frequency of Mercedes and BMWs in Tel Aviv.

I work with a lady whose parents survived the Holocaust. She calls German cars, Nazi cars. Her husband, however, drives a Porsche. They’re Orthodox. She just says, “you can’t account for some people… “

219 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 2, 2014 10:20:46am

re: #188 Decatur Deb

“It seems you are trying to make a panini.”

Does that Clippy wear a little chef’s hat?

220 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 2, 2014 10:24:37am

re: #217 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Make up your mind which dumbass theory you subscribe to: That people want to perpetually be outraged or they want to be insulated in a bubble. These are contrary and opposing theories, and you randomly advance both of them. Makes you look foolish.

Unless he’s advocating a bubble of outrage.
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221 darthstar  Apr 2, 2014 10:55:22am

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