The LGF Mobile Version Goes Live at Last

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The big Friday announcement at LGF is the launch of our new mobile version for smartphone browsers. This has been on the drawing board for waaay too long, and it gives me great pleasure to finally throw it out there into the jungle of the Internets and see if it survives. (At left is a screenshot from my iPhone.)

The mobile LGF design uses “responsive” techniques to automatically adapt the layout to small screen sizes. It works in either portrait or landscape mode and adjusts to fill the screen either way, and you can zoom in on the page with the pinching gesture or by double-tapping objects. Images and videos are automatically resized to fit as well.

One big change in the mobile version: the left column is no longer there. It has joined the Choir Invisible. The right column, however, with the Featured and Recent lists of LGF Pages, is now at the bottom underneath the main article(s). If you want to go straight there, there’s a button at the top of the page that will jump immediately to the Featured list.

You can even read and post comments, and all the features of our commenting system work just fine. The only disadvantage with mobile devices is that on pages that have hundreds of comments, you may find things getting too slow to be useable. In that case, a good idea is to use LGF Spy mode, which you get into by tapping the little green magnifying glass icon at the bottom right of a post.

This is still a work in progress; the most important areas of the LGF site are now adaptive to small screen sizes, but there are still other pages that need to be updated with the new design techniques. But it’s such a major improvement for mobile devices as-is, I couldn’t see any reason to wait any longer to launch.

This first version is targeted at smartphones in particular; a tablet version is next on the to-do list (but less important, since many tablets can display the regular-sized version of LGF just fine). Have fun with it, and let me know if you run into any problems.

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216 comments
1 thedopefishlives  Apr 4, 2014 2:41:16pm

Congratulations, Charles. I shall have to try it out forthwith. Welcome to the Mobile Age.

2 Kragar  Apr 4, 2014 2:42:59pm

I’ll have to see about setting it up on my tablet later tonight. Going away next week and would be a lot easier than using the web browser

3 thedopefishlives  Apr 4, 2014 2:45:38pm

Charles:

On my iPhone (which is a 3GS and thus still running iOS 6, which may be part of the issue), there is some white space off to the right running the entire height of the page. There is no content in this space. It’s not a deal-breaker, but I thought you might want to know.

4 Targetpractice  Apr 4, 2014 2:45:48pm

Cool beans. Great way now to keep up with LGF while clearing out my DVR backlog.

5 Charles Johnson  Apr 4, 2014 2:45:51pm

re: #2 Kragar

I’ll have to see about setting it up on my tablet later tonight. Going away next week and would be a lot easier than using the web browser

This isn’t an app - it’s a new adaptive design that works in smartphone web browsers.

6 Justanotherhuman  Apr 4, 2014 2:46:18pm

Expect Greenwald & The Dudebros in 1, 2, 3…

Judge Dismisses Lawsuit Over Drone Strikes
WASHINGTON April 5, 2014 (AP)
By PETE YOST Associated Press
Associated Press

A federal judge has dismissed a lawsuit against Obama administration officials over the 2011 drone-strike killings of three U.S. citizens in Yemen, one of them an al-Qaida cleric.

U.S. District Judge Rosemary Collyer says the case raises serious constitutional questions and is not easy to answer. But she says that she will grant the Obama administration’s motion to dismiss.

The government has argued that the matter is best left to Congress and the executive branch, not judges, and that courts have recognized that the defense of the nation should be left to those political branches.

7 The War TARDIS  Apr 4, 2014 2:46:18pm

Yay! Posting from my Samsung Galaxy S4.

8 b_sharp  Apr 4, 2014 2:46:21pm

re: #2 Kragar

I’ll have to see about setting it up on my tablet later tonight. Going away next week and would be a lot easier than using the web browser

I thought you were gone already. Out there. Around the bend.

9 Lidane  Apr 4, 2014 2:49:52pm

Just opened LGF on mah Android phone. Looks great!

10 Kragar  Apr 4, 2014 2:51:22pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

This isn’t an app - it’s a new adaptive design that works in smartphone web browsers.

Ah, well, never mind then.

11 Kragar  Apr 4, 2014 2:52:39pm

He might be a complete loon, but he’s right on this.

The political rebel and former professional wrestler said raising the minimum wage “absolutely stimulates the economy” because poorer people tend to spend most of their income on goods and services rather than stashing it in a bank.

“Believe it or not, spending money is the fuel that keeps the economy growing and moving, that is why raising the minimum wage — every time they do it — the economy takes a spike to the good.”

Ventura said people needed to accept than the United States already had a mixed economy, and neither capitalism nor socialism had a monopoly on good economic policies.

“The two systems by themselves, it’s been proven they can’t survive. You saw what happened when they took the handcuffs off Wall Street and had pure capitalism back in ‘08 — they robbed us blind! The government has to be there to put some type of regulations on it or the thieves will rob you to death.”

12 b_sharp  Apr 4, 2014 2:52:47pm

Nicely done Charles. This will make my time sitting in the car waiting for my wife to finish work a lot easier.

Shows really well on my Android StupidPhone.

13 Dr Lizardo  Apr 4, 2014 2:53:43pm

re: #11 Kragar

[Embedded content]

He might be a complete loon, but he’s right on this.

Where’s my fainting couch?!

14 dog philosopher  Apr 4, 2014 2:54:12pm

Mobile Version Goes Live

loads fast and looks good!

i’ll have to put my QA hat on and try to break it

15 thedopefishlives  Apr 4, 2014 2:56:14pm

re: #14 dog philosopher

Mobile Version Goes Live

loads fast and looks good!

i’ll have to put my QA hat on and try to break it

I burned that hat.

16 Kragar  Apr 4, 2014 2:56:44pm

re: #13 Dr Lizardo

>Where’s my fainting couch?!

I know, right? I thought he was a complete libertarian business loon.

17 jaunte  Apr 4, 2014 2:59:42pm
18 CuriousLurker  Apr 4, 2014 3:02:41pm

Excellent! It looks great on my iPod Touch, however my iPad Mini still brings up the 3-colmun desktop layout regardless of which browser I use (Chrome or Safari) and whether I have it in landscape or portrait mode.

19 Charles Johnson  Apr 4, 2014 3:04:48pm

re: #18 CuriousLurker

Right - check the last paragraph above. Tablets still get the full-size version for now.

20 Dr Lizardo  Apr 4, 2014 3:06:47pm

re: #16 Kragar

I know, right? I thought he was a complete libertarian business loon.

So did I. I’m quite surprised, to be honest; pleasantly surprised, in this case.

21 Lidane  Apr 4, 2014 3:08:02pm

re: #17 jaunte

Of course LinkedIn is primarily desktop-based. People are logged in while they’re at work. Sales people and AM’s are looking for new leads and everyone is secretly looking for a new job and calling it research.

22 thedopefishlives  Apr 4, 2014 3:09:33pm

re: #3 thedopefishlives

Oh, yeah, I forgot to mention, that’s on Safari for iOS. Which, it’s probably an older version considering the outdated iOS version, so if that’s a problem, let me know.

23 CuriousLurker  Apr 4, 2014 3:09:33pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Right - check the last paragraph above. Tablets still get the full-size version for now.

Oh. Duh. *smacks forehead*

24 b_sharp  Apr 4, 2014 3:09:33pm

re: #18 CuriousLurker

Excellent! It looks great on my iPod Touch, however my iPad Mini still brings up the 3-colmun desktop layout regardless of which browser I use (Chrome or Safari) and whether I have it in landscape or portrait mode.

Patience padawan.

25 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 4, 2014 3:09:33pm

Not loading for me. I has a sad, also sucky connection.

26 Mattand  Apr 4, 2014 3:09:33pm

re: #11 Kragar

[Embedded content]

He might be a complete loon, but he’s right on this.

Did he ruin the moment by dropping some of that sweet, sweet, Truther juice?

27 wrenchwench  Apr 4, 2014 3:12:17pm

re: #25 Pie-onist Overlord

Not loading for me. I has a sad, also sucky connection.

I just had a tiny outage. Fixt now.

28 Targetpractice  Apr 4, 2014 3:14:17pm

re: #11 Kragar

[Embedded content]

He might be a complete loon, but he’s right on this.

The blind squirrel found a nut.

29 TedStriker  Apr 4, 2014 3:14:37pm

Sweet, Charles…looks good!

30 Kragar  Apr 4, 2014 3:15:17pm

re: #26 Mattand

Did he ruin the moment by dropping some of that sweet, sweet, Truther juice?

Not in that article at least.

31 Lidane  Apr 4, 2014 3:17:08pm
32 CuriousLurker  Apr 4, 2014 3:17:50pm

re: #27 wrenchwench

I just had a tiny outage. Fixt now.

LOL, I read that as “I just had a tiny outrage. Fixt now.”

I can’t imagine why. //

33 FemNaziBitch  Apr 4, 2014 3:17:53pm

What am I missing —where do I go to get the app?

34 Targetpractice  Apr 4, 2014 3:17:54pm

re: #30 Kragar

Not in that article at least.

Did he declare that chewing tobacco will turn you into a sexual Tyrannosaurus?

//

35 Killgore Trout  Apr 4, 2014 3:18:20pm

The purges will continue until tolerance improves
How Rare Are Anti-Gay-Marriage Donations in Silicon Valley?

In total between these 11 companies, 83 percent of employee donations were in opposition to Proposition 8. So Eich was in a 17 percent minority relative to the top companies in Silicon Valley.

However, there was quite a bit of variation from business to business. At Intel, 60 percent of employee donations were in support of Proposition 8. By contrast, at Apple, 94 percent of employee donations were made in opposition to Proposition 8. The opposition was even higher at Google, where 96 percent of employee donations were against it, including $100,000 from co-founder Sergey Brin.

There isn’t much data on Mozilla. Only four Proposition 8 donors listed it as their employer: Eich, who donated in support of the measure, and three others who opposed it.

36 Targetpractice  Apr 4, 2014 3:19:25pm

re: #35 Killgore Trout

The purges will continue until tolerance improves
How Rare Are Anti-Gay-Marriage Donations in Silicon Valley?

You’re not going to stop until you get everybody agreeing with you that holding a company responsible for the actions and opinions of its CEO is wrong, are you?

37 StephenMeansMe  Apr 4, 2014 3:19:28pm

Very nice! This will definitely make my reading experience more enjoyable. Not that pinching/zooming/swiping all over the place isn’t fun… :P

38 Charles Johnson  Apr 4, 2014 3:19:36pm

re: #33 FemNaziBitch

What am I missing —where do I go to get the app?

It’s not an app — you use your mobile phone’s browser and just go to the LGF site.

39 FemNaziBitch  Apr 4, 2014 3:19:56pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

It’s not an app — you use your mobile phone’s browser and just go to the LGF site.

ah!

40 Lidane  Apr 4, 2014 3:19:59pm

re: #33 FemNaziBitch

What am I missing —where do I go to get the app?

It’s not an app. It’s a mobile-friendly design. Just open LGF on your phone to see it.

41 ObserverArt  Apr 4, 2014 3:21:17pm

At first I was getting a message:

“We’re having trouble displaying this page.”
We’re having trouble with the page you’re trying to reach and can’t open it right now.
Try the following:
- Refresh the page or try again later.

Windows 8 HTC Phone. Checked WiFi in home…connected with strong signal. All other sites appear to be working. I checked what I typed in…everything seemed fine. Went to another site, try coming back…same message.

So, I went to Google, searched for the site, hit the link and it opened right up. Weird that. But I saved the site as a favorite and it opens right back up.

Looks good, just as you explained it Charles. I rotate the phone to the wide view and don’t have to resize…very readable just like that.

42 CuriousLurker  Apr 4, 2014 3:21:24pm

re: #32 CuriousLurker

Right on cue.

43 Lidane  Apr 4, 2014 3:21:36pm

re: #35 Killgore Trout

What part of “There’s a difference between an employee and a CEO” is so goddamn difficult for you to understand?

The CEO is the public face of a company. YES IT MATTERS who they donate to politically, if for no other reason than having an open bigot as CEO makes recruiting talent that much harder.

44 Political Atheist  Apr 4, 2014 3:21:46pm

working great on my phone. Now if the Red Line subway had wireless… My commute would be much nicer

45 Charles Johnson  Apr 4, 2014 3:21:55pm

I still need to work on the user profile popup dialogs, but although they look a bit odd, they actually do work - you can scroll around them by dragging if necessary.

46 jaunte  Apr 4, 2014 3:22:27pm
47 thedopefishlives  Apr 4, 2014 3:22:56pm

re: #32 CuriousLurker

LOL, I read that as “I just had a tiny >outrage. Fixt now.”

I can’t imagine why. //

Awww, look at the cute little outrage. Such a cuddly widdle — OW! The bloody thing just BIT me!

48 Decatur Deb  Apr 4, 2014 3:25:46pm

re: #32 CuriousLurker

LOL, I read that as “I just had a tiny >outrage. Fixt now.”

I can’t imagine why. //

CL— We had a parachute mini-thread this morning. Found this vid of the Dubai championships. Thought it would be eye candy until a couple minutes in—then it hits the Dubai and UAE Women’s Freestyle jumpers.

Burqa Optional.

Youtube Video

49 Targetpractice  Apr 4, 2014 3:26:14pm

re: #46 jaunte

[Embedded content]

In other words, the people who are already inclined to drop Firefox over this are now being browbeat by Benny to do so or else not be able to partake in the wonders of his site.

No big loss.

50 jaunte  Apr 4, 2014 3:27:17pm

re: #49 Targetpractice

or else not be able to partake in the wonders of his site

He’s really upped the ante.

51 dog philosopher  Apr 4, 2014 3:27:30pm

re: #35 Killgore Trout

The purges will continue until tolerance improves
How Rare Are Anti-Gay-Marriage Donations in Silicon Valley?

why is it not ok for people to speak their minds, and take action and boycott the company?

personally, although i don’t agree with people who boycott disney world because of their gay-friendly policies, i don’t see anything wrong with them speaking their minds and making their anti-gay displeasure known via their pocketbooks

employers taking action against employees whose political/social views they disagree with - that is an entirely different issue and one that doesn’t have anything to do with the eich flap

52 Targetpractice  Apr 4, 2014 3:27:33pm

No wonder all the GOP establishment is now talking Jeb Bush as their ‘16 pick:

53 CuriousLurker  Apr 4, 2014 3:27:50pm

re: #48 Decatur Deb

CL— We had a parachute mini-thread this morning. Found this vid of the Dubai championships. Thought it would be eye candy until a couple minutes in—then it hits the Dubai and UAE Women’s Freestyle jumpers.

Burqa Optional.

[Embedded content]

Cool, thanks!

54 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 4, 2014 3:29:08pm

I’m deleting TruthRevolt from my Internets!

Oh wait, never went there.

55 Lidane  Apr 4, 2014 3:29:08pm

re: #51 dog philosopher

why is it not ok for people to speak their minds, and take action and boycott the company?

Duh. Because speech shouldn’t have any consequences at all. CEOs should be free to donate to whatever bigoted cause they want and no one should ever complain or boycott or do anything to speak out against them. That’s oppression and punishment, don’tcha know.

56 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 4, 2014 3:29:17pm

re: #35 Killgore Trout

The purges will continue until tolerance improves
How Rare Are Anti-Gay-Marriage Donations in Silicon Valley?

He was the CEO, Killgore. Not an ordinary worker.

When you play dumb in order to avoid this fact, you know that it has the side effect of making you look actually dumb, right? Like you actually are of such limited intelligence, or such a rigid, pre-decided worldview, that you can’t accept the information that this guy was the CEO, and so things like bigotry matter a lot more than if he’s just a worker on the line?

57 Targetpractice  Apr 4, 2014 3:30:35pm

re: #51 dog philosopher

why is it not ok for people to speak their minds, and take action and boycott the company?

Because we must be tolerant of intolerance, lest we be accused of intolerance and the MBF smacks us upside the head.

58 dog philosopher  Apr 4, 2014 3:31:40pm

wingnut version as heard on freeper world

It shouldn’t have taken the forced resignation of Mozilla CEO Brendan Eich for the Left to admit that homosexual activists and their water-carrying ideological servants have no interest in dialogue, diversity, or tolerance. Jack-booted homosexualists demanded that Eich, co-founder of Mozilla and inventor of JavaScript, be fired for his $1,000 donation to the Prop 8 campaign in California six years ago…

i suppose this writer will be fair and say that while he disagreed with the dixie chicks dissing W, republicans should have exercised dialog, diversity, and tolerance towards them, and not have attempted to impose their point of view by boycotting them

59 Jack Burton  Apr 4, 2014 3:32:02pm

re: #11 Kragar

A stopped clock…

60 b_sharp  Apr 4, 2014 3:32:06pm

re: #57 Targetpractice

Because we must be tolerant of intolerance, lest we be accused of intolerance and the MBF smacks us upside the head.

Sometimes it’s necessary to be intelligently judgmental.

61 thedopefishlives  Apr 4, 2014 3:33:48pm

On the whole Firefox CEO thing, ironically enough, it resulted in one of the most epic threads ever on my Facebook feed, when one of my liberal friends got into it with several of our wingnut acquaintances. The end result was not one, but two of said wingnuts actually uttering the immortal phrase, “I agree with Scott.” I think the world shifted on its axis slightly.

62 goddamnedfrank  Apr 4, 2014 3:34:18pm

Killgore just hates activism, period.

“The Whole Thing Smacks Of Effort, Man.”
-Ben, The Simpsons Summer of 4 ft. 2.

63 bratwurst  Apr 4, 2014 3:36:37pm

How about getting the column with the top 10/bottom 10 to show up somewhere?

64 Targetpractice  Apr 4, 2014 3:37:13pm

As has been noted, Eich could have probably defused the whole thing by saying that he’d changed his opinion in the six years since making the donation, even if it was bullshit. But he dodged the question with the “It’s my personal opinion” gambit and the board decided that wasn’t good enough.

65 ObserverArt  Apr 4, 2014 3:38:02pm

re: #56 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

He was the CEO, Killgore. Not an ordinary worker.

When you play dumb in order to avoid this fact, you know that it has the side effect of making you look actually dumb, right? Like you actually are of such limited intelligence, or such a rigid, pre-decided worldview, that you can’t accept the information that this guy was the CEO, and so things like bigotry matter a lot more than if he’s just a worker on the line?

I think Killgore is outraged that there was an outrage that caused a backlash that cost a job. There will be no reasoning beyond that, as the wrong is losing the job and is done. No reconciliation, so no justice. Killgore has now been shown to enjoy being outraged.

Moving on.

66 wrenchwench  Apr 4, 2014 3:45:14pm

I’m out for now, will be scarce tomorrow because I’ll be in the boonies where no internets, or even dumbphones, reach. But the motel tonight should have wifi.

Later, lizards.

67 ipsos  Apr 4, 2014 3:45:24pm

I tried the new mobile version.

It turned me into a newt. (I got better.)

68 Killgore Trout  Apr 4, 2014 3:48:15pm

re: #64 Targetpractice

As has been noted, Eich could have probably defused the whole thing by saying that he’d changed his opinion in the six years since making the donation, even if it was bullshit. But he dodged the question with the “It’s my personal opinion” gambit and the board decided that wasn’t good enough.

Because he’s probably stinking rich and can afford to stick to his unpopular opinion. If he really needed the job he probably would have recanted.

69 Lidane  Apr 4, 2014 3:50:08pm

re: #68 Killgore Trout

So if he’s stinking rich and doesn’t need the job, why does it matter if he resigned from Mozilla? You can’t have it both ways.

70 EPR-radar  Apr 4, 2014 3:50:57pm

re: #62 goddamnedfrank

Killgore just hates activism, period.

Nail. Head. BANG.

71 A Mom Anon  Apr 4, 2014 3:51:01pm

re: #65 ObserverArt

The whole thing is tiring. Yes it is absolutely fine to be intolerant of bigotry and hate. Why in the hell is that so hard to figure out? So we’re supposed to just let it happen and do nothing at all? If you run a company and you are a supporter of hateful bigotry, one, it sets a tone that it’s ok for people farther down the ladder than you, and two it’s just bad for business, let alone recruiting people with talent and ethics. There’s way too much turning a blind eye that’s happening now, to an alarming degree actually, and it’s not helping. The amount and degree of bullying in schools now is a prime example of this. The so called “zero tolerance” of such behavior is complete bullshit, I can personally attest to more than 50 incidents that were never dealt with beyond suspension. Oooh that helped. Not. And it’s NOT the same shit I dealt with as a kid, or any of us over 25 or so. It’s worse and it’s worse because adults TOLERATE and TEACH it.

I need to calm down before I end up banned and I like it here. But this is so much bullshit, it really is.

72 goddamnedfrank  Apr 4, 2014 3:51:50pm

re: #69 Lidane

So if he’s stinking rich and doesn’t need the job, why does it matter if he resigned from Mozilla? You can’t have it both ways.

Rich CEOs need to have the freedom to be enormous cock-bags and threaten their company’s sales, stock price, and ability to attract and retain talent.

Otherwise the terrorists win.

73 Targetpractice  Apr 4, 2014 3:53:36pm

re: #68 Killgore Trout

Because he’s probably stinking rich and can afford to stick to his unpopular opinion. If he really needed the job he probably would have recanted.

You’re right, he probably figured that the company was so desperate to keep him aboard that they’d protect his ass and sacrifice their future profits on the altar of his bigotry. But they didn’t, because as a business they exist to make money, not subsidize his personal views.

74 Ryan King  Apr 4, 2014 3:55:39pm

Balance Fairy is such a rebel.

It sort of makes being a rebel not that cool.

75 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 4, 2014 3:56:13pm

re: #74 Ryan King

Balance Fairy is such a rebel.

It sort of makes being a rebel not that cool.

A very fussy and colicy rebel.

76 Killgore Trout  Apr 4, 2014 3:56:52pm

re: #69 Lidane

So if he’s stinking rich and doesn’t need the job, why does it matter if he resigned from Mozilla? You can’t have it both ways.

Because participating in the democratic process shouldn’t be a luxury only the rich can afford to pay the penalties for.

77 makeitstop  Apr 4, 2014 3:57:14pm

Looks great on mah Windows Phone, Charles!

Also - are we now doomed to have every thread hijacked by the Mozilla debacle? Kinda looks that way.

OWS Derangement Syndrome, all over again.

78 b_sharp  Apr 4, 2014 3:57:45pm

Isn’t what happened to Eich exactly what libertarians expect and want to happen in their utopia?

79 Ryan King  Apr 4, 2014 3:58:54pm

re: #75 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

A very fussy and colicy rebel.

Balance Colic

(and we’re off)

80 Targetpractice  Apr 4, 2014 3:59:08pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

Because participating in the democratic process shouldn’t be a luxury only the rich can afford to pay the penalties for.

Killgore, you’ve agreed so far that if an employee’s personal beliefs are causing issues in the workplace, creating a hostile work environment, that a company is justified in firing them. Right?

81 Ryan King  Apr 4, 2014 3:59:59pm

re: #78 b_sharp

Isn’t what happened to Eich exactly what libertarians expect and want to happen in their utopia?

Yes. It’s the Free Market of ideas, and stuffs.

He can just get another job, INORIGHT?

82 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 4, 2014 4:00:38pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

Because participating in the democratic process shouldn’t be a luxury only the rich can afford to pay the penalties for.

Again: Only he has paid the penalty for it, because he was the CEO. This wasn’t a janitor at Mozilla, this was the CEO. Walking through this conversation while ignoring this point is like watching a man try to ignore the egg sliding slowly down his face while he talks. It is obvious, it’s right there, it’s a fact totally obvious in the conversation you’re having, and you need to ignore it because if you deal with it all your heavily contrived point falls apart.

Not to mention that quite a small percentage of the population can afford to write a thousand dollar check in support of a ballot measure. I couldn’t. He is enormously privileged compared to his fellow citizens in how much he can affect our democratic process.

83 klys  Apr 4, 2014 4:00:47pm

re: #77 makeitstop

Looks great on mah Windows Phone, Charles!

Also - are we now doomed to have every thread hijacked by the Mozilla debacle? Kinda looks that way.

OWS Derangement Syndrome, all over again.

YOU ALL DIDN’T AGREE WITH ME BEFORE SO I WILL POST ANOTHER ESSAY AGREEING WITH ME TO SHOW YOU WHY YOU’RE ALL WRONG, COMPLETE WITH REFERENCES TO PURGES TO SHOW YOU HOW INTOLERANT YOU’RE BEING.

FOR NOT AGREEING WITH ME.

84 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 4, 2014 4:00:56pm

re: #77 makeitstop

Looks great on mah Windows Phone, Charles!

Also - are we now doomed to have every thread hijacked by the Mozilla debacle? Kinda looks that way.

OWS Derangement Syndrome, all over again.

Only until the next outrage that he feels the need to be concerned about happens.

85 makeitstop  Apr 4, 2014 4:02:12pm

re: #83 klys

YOU ALL DIDN’T AGREE WITH ME BEFORE SO I WILL POST ANOTHER ESSAY AGREEING WITH ME TO SHOW YOU WHY YOU’RE ALL WRONG, COMPLETE WITH REFERENCES TO PURGES TO SHOW YOU HOW INTOLERANT YOU’RE BEING.

FOR NOT AGREEING WITH ME.

So, we’re being…punished for our opinions?

The circle has been squared.

86 Ryan King  Apr 4, 2014 4:02:56pm

A bigoted CEO, the janitor, and a seal walk into a bar…

87 EPR-radar  Apr 4, 2014 4:02:59pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

Because participating in the democratic process shouldn’t be a luxury only the rich can afford to pay the penalties for.

Let’s be realistic here. Nobody who is not rich or famous is going to get nailed by the kind of mess Eich got himself into.

Normal people won’t be affected, and to be blunt the rich and famous are sufficiently privileged that they can take a little heat for their political views. Who knows, it might even encourage them to become better human beings.

88 Targetpractice  Apr 4, 2014 4:03:30pm

re: #85 makeitstop

So, we’re being…punished for our opinions?

The circle has been squared.

Pretty much. We have not agreed with the MBF that gay activists are wrong for taking action against intolerance, so we must be browbeat into agreeing that they’re “no better” than the bigots who want to essentially criminalize their very existence.

89 klys  Apr 4, 2014 4:04:55pm

re: #88 Targetpractice

Pretty much. We have not agreed with the MBF that gay activists are wrong for taking action against intolerance, so we must be browbeat into agreeing that they’re “no better” than the bigots who want to essentially criminalize their very existence.

And consumers are wrong for wanting their money to not go towards supporting intolerance and should never boycott companies because of things like that.

In fact, we should all just cut out the company middlemen and donate directly to the causes we don’t want to support.

///

90 dog philosopher  Apr 4, 2014 4:05:04pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

Because participating in the democratic process shouldn’t be a luxury only the rich can afford to pay the penalties for.

i’m sorry, i don’t get what it is you want people to do here - do you want everybody to shut up and never mention that somebody else is doing something you think is wrong?

91 Ryan King  Apr 4, 2014 4:05:10pm

re: #86 Ryan King

A bigoted CEO, the janitor, and a seal rabbi walk into a bar…

I should have this one done shortly. I know it’s golden, just need a good punchline.

92 CuriousLurker  Apr 4, 2014 4:06:12pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

Because participating in the democratic process shouldn’t be a luxury only the rich can afford to pay the penalties for.

So do you have any actual documented examples of working-class people losing jobs due to having expressed unpopular political opinions, or is this just about you being deeply concerned that they might?

93 klys  Apr 4, 2014 4:07:48pm

re: #92 CuriousLurker

So do you have any actual documented examples of working-class people losing jobs due to having expressed unpopular political opinions, or is this just about you being deeply concerned that they might?

I might add, due to external pressure due to things like threat of boycott and not due to inappropriate behavior on the job itself.

94 jaunte  Apr 4, 2014 4:07:55pm

Saletan’s Imaginary Slippery Slope.

95 CuriousLurker  Apr 4, 2014 4:08:48pm

re: #93 klys

I might add, due to external pressure due to things like threat of boycott and not due to inappropriate behavior on the job itself.

Yes, exactly. Good point.

96 Killgore Trout  Apr 4, 2014 4:09:25pm

re: #90 dog philosopher

i’m sorry, i don’t get what it is you want people to do here - do you want everybody to shut up and never mention that somebody else is doing something you think is wrong?

No but I think using public records of normal political activity to get people fired is too much. Discouraging people from engaging in unpopular political activity would inhibit our growth as a democratic society.

97 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 4, 2014 4:09:46pm
98 Targetpractice  Apr 4, 2014 4:10:12pm

re: #92 CuriousLurker

So do you have any actual documented examples of working-class people losing jobs due to having expressed unpopular political opinions, or is this just about you being deeply concerned that they might?

Well, there was that poor woman who got forced to resign from Susan G. Komen over Planned Parenthood. And all those sponsors left Rush’s show because people disagreed with his comments about Sandra Fluke.

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99 Targetpractice  Apr 4, 2014 4:12:17pm

re: #96 Killgore Trout

No but I think using public records of normal political activity to get people fired is too much. Discouraging people from engaging in unpopular political activity would inhibit our growth as a democratic society.

We’re not talking a vote or a signature on a petition, we’re talking putting $1000 down on supporting a law to ban people from exercising a universal right. That’s not the kinda money that you put towards a cause that you’ve no real interest in.

100 dog philosopher  Apr 4, 2014 4:13:44pm

re: #96 Killgore Trout

No but I think using public records of normal political activity to get people fired is too much. Discouraging people from engaging in unpopular political activity would inhibit our growth as a democratic society.

discouraging people from engaging in unpopular political activity is part of our growth as a democratic society

101 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 4, 2014 4:15:03pm

re: #98 Targetpractice

Well, there was that poor woman who got forced to resign from Susan G. Komen over Planned Parenthood. And all those sponsors left Rush’s show because people disagreed with his comments about Sandra Fluke.

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Remember that Killgore was very against Handel being let go, and wasn’t sure if Karen Handel, Vice President in Charge of Policy, affected policy at Komen.

That was a klassic Killgore moment.

102 jaunte  Apr 4, 2014 4:15:04pm

re: #99 Targetpractice

putting $1000 down on supporting a law to ban people from exercising a universal right

That’s the aspect of this that I think places it beyond ‘normal political activity.’

103 Decatur Deb  Apr 4, 2014 4:15:16pm

re: #92 CuriousLurker

So do you have any actual documented examples of working-class people losing jobs due to having expressed unpopular political opinions, or is this just about you being deeply concerned that they might?

Get a job at Walmart. Say “union” at 10 AM. See if you last ‘til noon. The oppressed CEOs can lick my pity bowl when I’ve spooned it out to their serfs.

104 Killgore Trout  Apr 4, 2014 4:15:23pm

re: #92 CuriousLurker

So do you have any actual documented examples of working-class people losing jobs due to having expressed unpopular political opinions, or is this just about you being deeply concerned that they might?

Mozilla CEO Resignation Raises Free-Speech Issues

Eich’s resignation should serve as a chilling reminder to workers at all levels that their off-duty behavior or personal opinions could still cost them their jobs if their employers are worried about a backlash hurting their business, said Lewis Maltby, president of the National Workrights Institute.

New York and a few other states prohibit employers from firing workers for political activity, but even those protections are limited.

Some firings of lower-level employees have raised even more troubling questions about worker rights than Eich’s resignation, Maltby said. Some women have gotten fired for Facebook pictures showing them wearing a bikini on the beach, and a teacher lost her job for another Facebook photo that showed her holding a beer.

Most employers are vague about their restrictions on what workers are allowed to share online.

“There is no clear line,” Maltby said. “The line is whatever offends your boss or the CEO.”

105 Justanotherhuman  Apr 4, 2014 4:16:35pm

re: #96 Killgore Trout

No but I think using public records of normal political activity to get people fired is too much. Discouraging people from engaging in unpopular political activity would inhibit our growth as a democratic society.

It’s done to working people all time when they try to form unions, or are even sympathetic to union activities.

I’ve even been in a situation that everyone felt “tagged” if you didn’t contribute to the “correct” candidates recommended by upper mgmt (Republicans, in that instance). It was at a bank where “corporate culture” was pervasive and seeped into everything. You were supposed to “go with the flow”.

106 Targetpractice  Apr 4, 2014 4:16:52pm

re: #104 Killgore Trout

Mozilla CEO Resignation Raises Free-Speech Issues

So the boss gets fired and this is supposed to make the underlings worried that they could be next?

107 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 4, 2014 4:19:27pm

re: #106 Targetpractice

So the boss gets fired and this is supposed to make the underlings worried that they could be next?

If we wanted to invoke worker-protection laws that were broad enough to actually require a labor board determination or something for every firing, as they have in some countries, then I’d be fine with this guy being protected by those laws too. But we don’t, and he’s the CEO and in that situation a labor board would still probably accept the explanation that it would be very hard for him to function as CEO when some of his employees knew he’d spent money trying to deny them their civil rights.

108 Ryan King  Apr 4, 2014 4:19:53pm

re: #96 Killgore Trout

No but I think using public records of normal political activity to get people fired is too much. Discouraging people from engaging in unpopular political activity would inhibit our growth as a democratic society.

Thinking that low taxation on the wealthiest 1% will create jobs is an unpopular opinion. Thinking that Nigerian Yellowcake is a cool club drug at wealthy WASP enclave high schools is an unpopular opinion. Believing that David Caruso is a great actor is an unpopular opinion.

Supporting the denial of rights based on bigotry is an oppressive opinion. Writing checks to support is oppressive.

Yet taking somebody to task for having an opinion that gay marriage needs to be denied through law and writing checks supporting it is somehow oppressive. Especially a wealthy person that’s the head of a very public company.

He’s being oppressed. Riight.

109 Killgore Trout  Apr 4, 2014 4:21:21pm

re: #103 Decatur Deb

Get a job at Walmart. Say “union” at 10 AM. See if you last ‘til noon.

Good point. I did work at a shop in Chicago. On my first day they handed me a paper to sign that I wouldn’t engage in union activity. I wanted to ask if it was legal but didn’t want to make a problem on my first day. I just told them I’d look it over and hand it in later, I never did and they never asked again. At my last job my boss made it clear that employees were required to vote for a specific party. His thinking was he didn’t want his money (AKA my paycheck) going to causes he didn’t support. Not being rich I couldn’t afford to make a stand but started planning my own business plans.

110 Killgore Trout  Apr 4, 2014 4:22:04pm

re: #106 Targetpractice

So the boss gets fired and this is supposed to make the underlings worried that they could be next?

I can guarantee you there are people worried that their names are on the donor list.

111 CuriousLurker  Apr 4, 2014 4:22:28pm

re: #104 Killgore Trout

Mozilla CEO Resignation Raises Free-Speech Issues

Some firings of lower-level employees have raised even more troubling questions about worker rights than Eich’s resignation, Maltby said. Some women have gotten fired for Facebook pictures showing them wearing a bikini on the beach, and a teacher lost her job for another Facebook photo that showed her holding a beer.

First, there are no specifics there—some women, a teacher, etc. Who? Where? I said actual documented cases. If these anonymous people were unfairly fired, they can take their former employers to court.

Second, those examples have nothing to do with “participating in the democratic process”, which is what you claimed to be so concerned about.

112 dog philosopher  Apr 4, 2014 4:23:13pm

re: #104 Killgore Trout

Mozilla CEO Resignation Raises Free-Speech Issues

let me sort this out for you:

1) employers using employee’s private political/social activity outside of work as a reason to fire them, if it does not affect their job performance, is illegal

2) people who are not working for the company have the right to say anything they damn please

3) anything that is discovered that will obviously impede the ability of an employee to function effectively is legal grounds for termination

4) california state law provides for “at will” employee status, which explicitly states that an employee “can be fired at any time for any reason, or for no reason

5) On April 3, 2014, Eich stepped down as CEO. In a personal blog post, Eich stated “There are concerns about my commitment to fostering equality and welcome for LGBT individuals at Mozilla” as one of the reasons for his departure

-> people who were not employees or managers at the company exercised their free speech rights to object to anything they damn well wanted to object to
-> management at the company decided that this revelation negatively impacted the ability of eich to do his job, and he agreed

113 Killgore Trout  Apr 4, 2014 4:23:17pm

re: #105 Justanotherhuman

It’s done to working people all time when they try to form unions, or are even sympathetic to union activities.

I’ve even been in a situation that everyone felt “tagged” if you didn’t contribute to the “correct” candidates recommended by upper mgmt (Republicans, in that instance). It was at a bank where “corporate culture” was pervasive and seeped into everything. You were supposed to “go with the flow”.

Yup, I’ve been in the same boat before too.

114 Eventual Carrion  Apr 4, 2014 4:23:54pm

Nice.
Posted from my Lucid 2 Amdroid

115 GeneJockey  Apr 4, 2014 4:24:28pm

re: #34 Targetpractice

Did he declare that chewing tobacco will turn you into a sexual Tyrannosaurus?

//

What, you mean unable to masturbate?

116 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 4, 2014 4:24:40pm

re: #111 CuriousLurker

First, there are no specifics there—some women, a teacher, etc. Who? Where? I said actual documented cases. If these anonymous people were unfairly fired, they can take their former employers to court.

Second, those examples have nothing to do with “participating in the democratic process”, which is what you claimed to be so concerned about.

Most of them were fired in states where there’s no labor protection at all—the ‘right to work’ states. Many of those cases are true. It doesn’t have any relevance to the current case, except if you want to make a very strong (and, I’d add, a completely anti-classical-liberal) argument for broad labor laws that protect workers.

117 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 4, 2014 4:25:04pm

Must sign off now, but here is a picture of the Twin Overlords.

118 GeneJockey  Apr 4, 2014 4:25:36pm

You know, because of the short arms…

119 Decatur Deb  Apr 4, 2014 4:25:58pm

re: #114 Eventual Carrion

Nice.
Posted from my Lucid 2 Amdroid

You have an intelligent machine that kills fire ants? Want one.

120 Targetpractice  Apr 4, 2014 4:26:03pm

Well hell, look at this activism working to deny this man his free-speech rights:

Neo-Confederate Choice For College President Prompts ‘No Confidence’ Vote From Faculty

Members of the College of Charleston community are not happy with the choice of a Republican politician with ties to neo-Confederates to be the next president of the college. Donors are complaining. Students are protesting. And on Tuesday, the Faculty Senate held a unanimous vote expressing no-confidence in the school’s Board of Trustees.

The college’s board announced late last month that it had voted to offer the president job to Glenn McConnell, the current Republican lieutenant governor of South Carolina. But McConnell’s lack of experience in academia, and his well-publicized enthusiasm for the Confederacy, quickly inspired protests.

These folks are wrong for not being accepting of this man’s views!

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121 GeneJockey  Apr 4, 2014 4:26:30pm

re: #117 Pie-onist Overlord

Must sign off now, but here is a picture of the Twin Overlords.
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No doubt plotting their next 3 AM assault on parental sleep schedules.

122 Decatur Deb  Apr 4, 2014 4:28:30pm

re: #120 Targetpractice

Well hell, look at this activism working to deny this man his free-speech rights:

Neo-Confederate Choice For College President Prompts ‘No Confidence’ Vote From Faculty

These folks are wrong for not being accepting of this man’s views!

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Maybe it’s his tailor, or that he’s too friendly with the help:

postandcourier.com

123 Targetpractice  Apr 4, 2014 4:28:43pm

re: #110 Killgore Trout

I can guarantee you there are people worried that their names are on the donor list.

I’ve no doubt there are. Just as I’m sure that employees worry their bigoted boss is gonna find out they’re gay or they support gay rights. This sword cuts both ways.

124 Killgore Trout  Apr 4, 2014 4:29:51pm

re: #123 Targetpractice

I’ve no doubt there are. Just as I’m sure that employees worry their bigoted boss is gonna find out they’re gay or they support gay rights. This sword cuts both ways.

It sure does.

125 klys  Apr 4, 2014 4:29:55pm

re: #123 Targetpractice

I’ve no doubt there are. Just as I’m sure that employees worry their bigoted boss is gonna find out they’re gay or they support gay rights. This sword cuts both ways.

It’s interesting that all the outrage seems to be going one way, though.

126 CuriousLurker  Apr 4, 2014 4:30:21pm

re: #116 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Most of them were fired in states where there’s no labor protection at all—the ‘right to work’ states. Many of those cases are true. It doesn’t have any relevance to the current case, except if you want to make a very strong (and, I’d add, a completely anti-classical-liberal) argument for broad labor laws that protect workers.

Hmm, maybe KT will become an activist for broad worker protection labor laws IRL if it’s truly important to him.

127 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 4, 2014 4:31:38pm

re: #124 Killgore Trout

It sure does.

so, to be clear—hah, as if you’d ever have the courage to be clear, I slay me—you’re abandoning the libertarian/classical liberal schtick, and now you want extremely strong worker protections that ensure someone can’t be fired except for cause, with that cause not possibly related to their external lives? Or are you privileging donating money to campaigns above other things?

128 Targetpractice  Apr 4, 2014 4:32:15pm

re: #124 Killgore Trout

It sure does.

But I can’t recall off the top of my head a CEO being asked to resign for being supportive of gay rights. Can you?

129 Stanley Sea  Apr 4, 2014 4:33:16pm

re: #77 makeitstop

Looks great on mah Windows Phone, Charles!

Also - are we now doomed to have every thread hijacked by the Mozilladebacle? Kinda looks that way.

OWS Derangement Syndrome, all over again.

Dark Falcon had a good troll graphic. Its day 4 I think. Poisons the comments.

130 dog philosopher  Apr 4, 2014 4:39:13pm

re: #128 Targetpractice

But I can’t recall off the top of my head a CEO being asked to resign for being supportive of gay rights. Can you?

and even so - let’s say that somebody is appointed head of Bigoted Wingnut Electronics, where 90% of the employees are bigoted wingnuts. and let’s say it comes out that this guy is a big supporter of the Fund To Support Unemployed Gay Atheist Anarchists

probably this would tend to degrade his leadership authority in the context of Bigoted Wingnut Electronics

131 Lidane  Apr 4, 2014 4:40:52pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

Because participating in the democratic process shouldn’t be a luxury only the rich can afford to pay the penalties for.

You type words and all I see is this:

Youtube Video

132 Targetpractice  Apr 4, 2014 4:43:01pm

re: #130 dog philosopher

and even so - let’s say that somebody is appointed head of Bigoted Wingnut Electronics, where 90% of the employees are bigoted wingnuts. and let’s say it comes out that this guy is a big supporter of the Fund To Support Unemployed Gay Atheist Anarchists

probably this would tend to degrade his leadership authority in the context of Bigoted Wingnut Electronics

Exactly. Eich tried to sidestep the issue of his personal views by saying he worked to foster a friendly atmosphere. But when everybody knows the guy at the top is a bigot and the board of directors is happy with that, then it leads to questions as to just how welcome gay employees really are.

133 BongCrodny  Apr 4, 2014 4:43:04pm

Kansas City, Day 4:

Reading the local alternative weekly, checking out the music scene.

If there is a better name for a band than The Kaopectones, I have yet to hear it.

Also: I’m currently staying at a B&B type place (closer to a hostel, but why quibble), but actively looking for something more permanent — or at least until the powers that be decide whether I’ve got the goods to do the job.

One of the places I looked at was in North Hyde Park, KC. There was a plaque attached to one of the steps leading up to the building. It read:

“On this site in 1897, nothing happened.”

134 EPR-radar  Apr 4, 2014 4:43:52pm

re: #110 Killgore Trout

I can guarantee you there are people worried that their names are on the donor list.

My name is on the donor list. I’m not worried at all for two reasons:

1) (more important) I’m not rich/famous and so there would be no publicity value in making a big deal of this contribution.

2) (less important) My donation was to the anti-8 campaign, and I live in a part of the country where the chance of that being held against me is too small to take at all seriously.

135 Decatur Deb  Apr 4, 2014 4:44:01pm

re: #128 Targetpractice

But I can’t recall off the top of my head a CEO being asked to resign for being supportive of gay rights. Can you?

Does a megachurch pastor doing meth with gay hookers count?

Image: meet-ted-haggard-hypocrite-of-the-gop-political-poster-1294171659.jpg

136 Justanotherhuman  Apr 4, 2014 4:44:37pm

So teenagers feel free to rape with impunity during school hours now?

6 suspended amid Missouri school rape allegations

bigstory.ap.org

137 Killgore Trout  Apr 4, 2014 4:44:45pm

re: #128 Targetpractice

But I can’t recall off the top of my head a CEO being asked to resign for being supportive of gay rights. Can you?

I’m sure it’s happened before but google search only turns up results about the Mozilla thing. I’m sure if you go back to the 70’s and 80’s you could find plenty of examples.

138 Charles Johnson  Apr 4, 2014 4:45:05pm

re: #77 makeitstop

Looks great on mah Windows Phone, Charles!

Great! I didn’t test with a Windows Phone, good to know it works.

139 Targetpractice  Apr 4, 2014 4:45:55pm

re: #137 Killgore Trout

I’m sure it’s happened before but google search only turns up results about the Mozilla thing. I’m sure if you go back to the 70’s and 80’s you could find plenty of examples.

So wait, you mean as times change, the backlash against a certain viewpoint can flip around?

140 Decatur Deb  Apr 4, 2014 4:46:38pm

re: #138 Charles Johnson

Great! I didn’t test with a Windows Phone, good to know it works.

Does this mean I have to get one of those phones where you rub the face?

141 klys  Apr 4, 2014 4:47:27pm

re: #132 Targetpractice

Exactly. Eich tried to sidestep the issue of his personal views by saying he worked to foster a friendly atmosphere. But when everybody knows the guy at the top is a bigot and the board of directors is happy with that, then it leads to questions as to just how welcome gay employees really are.

I’m outraged you refuse to tolerate the intolerance of bigots who are willing to put down money in order to legislate intolerance into laws!

//

We need a better word for this kind of outrage. Hmm. Armchair alarm? Concern for calamity!

Oooo, troutrage.

142 Lidane  Apr 4, 2014 4:48:09pm

TOLERANCE!

143 palomino  Apr 4, 2014 4:48:35pm

re: #35 Killgore Trout

The purges will continue until tolerance improves
How Rare Are Anti-Gay-Marriage Donations in Silicon Valley?

Sure, there’s a danger of a slippery slope. And not everyone, even in NoCal, is pro-same sex marriage. However, among many young people—gay and straight—this has become a moral issue along the lines of equal rights for blacks and women in previous generations. It’s not just “another political issue.”

Imagine it’s 1975, and some company appoints a new CEO. Soon thereafter, it’s revealed that he donated to pro-segregation and anti-interracial marriage political causes. Would it have been wrong for activists to get him fired?

144 Killgore Trout  Apr 4, 2014 4:49:53pm

re: #139 Targetpractice

So wait, you mean as times change, the backlash against a certain viewpoint can flip around?

Yes, that’s why I’m not supportive of firing people for political views. The tide can and will change, it’s inevitable. The only thing that can save us is a culture of respect for the rights of people we disagree with.

145 Charles Johnson  Apr 4, 2014 4:50:18pm

re: #63 bratwurst

How about getting the column with the top 10/bottom 10 to show up somewhere?

Yes, good idea. I may move those to the menu in the sign-in panel.

146 Justanotherhuman  Apr 4, 2014 4:51:03pm

Why wasn’t the fucking fraternity just dissolved? This is outrageous.

Ga. Tech suspends fraternity for ‘rapebait’ email

bigstory.ap.org

More “boys will be boys” and “we can’t ruin a young man’s future” bullshit?

147 Lidane  Apr 4, 2014 4:52:52pm

TOLERANCE!

148 Targetpractice  Apr 4, 2014 4:54:05pm

re: #144 Killgore Trout

Yes, that’s why I’m not supportive of firing people for political views. The tide can and will change, it’s inevitable. The only thing that can save us is a culture of respect for the rights of people we disagree with.

Fine, you’ve a right to your opinion, I’ve got a right to criticize it. Neither of us has a right to a job.

149 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 4, 2014 4:54:41pm

re: #144 Killgore Trout

Yes, that’s why I’m not supportive of firing people for political views. The tide can and will change, it’s inevitable. The only thing that can save us is a culture of respect for the rights of people we disagree with.

You think the tide changing so that, for example, people being against race-mixing is inevitable?

Wierd.

150 Justanotherhuman  Apr 4, 2014 4:55:06pm

re: #143 palomino

I was around then, a certified adult in my 30s. No, it wouldn’t have mattered in some parts of the country, and it wouldn’t have gotten any publicity, either, no matter where it had been.

Not when it was about race in 1975.

151 Killgore Trout  Apr 4, 2014 4:55:11pm

Article from a few years ago about the fear of gay CEO’s and boycott threats

If You’re A Gay CEO, It’s Getting Better, But Slowly

152 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 4, 2014 4:55:31pm

re: #146 Justanotherhuman

Why wasn’t the fucking fraternity just dissolved? This is outrageous.

Ga. Tech suspends fraternity for ‘rapebait’ email

bigstory.ap.org

More “boys will be boys” and “we can’t ruin a young man’s future” bullshit?

I hope some of the women they got to go to those parties sue.

153 Lidane  Apr 4, 2014 4:56:02pm

I’m still waiting for an explanation how a CEO is just like a random employee at a company.

154 dog philosopher  Apr 4, 2014 4:56:28pm

re: #144 Killgore Trout

Yes, that’s why I’m not supportive of firing people for political views. The tide can and will change, it’s inevitable. The only thing that can save us is a culture of respect for the rights of people we disagree with.

he wasn’t fired for his political views. that’s illegal

he was fired because his political views impacted his ability to do his job - lead the company

155 klys  Apr 4, 2014 4:56:35pm

I respect people’s right to hold an opinion that they don’t like gay marriage. Or integration. Or Jewish people, or whatever.

I find the idea that they should be able to agitate for enshrining these ideas in our government with no consequences laughable. If they feel strongly enough about it to put money towards it, they need to be willing to own up to their beliefs.

156 klys  Apr 4, 2014 4:58:28pm

Of course, I put things like “human rights” ahead of “free speech with no consequences” so what the fuck do I know?

157 palomino  Apr 4, 2014 4:59:27pm

re: #52 Targetpractice

No wonder all the GOP establishment is now talking Jeb Bush as their ‘16 pick:

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Christie’s biggest strength was his image as a tough, honest, straight talking guy who didn’t play normal bullshit political games. Well, after Bridgegate, that’s a much tougher sell.

Jeb has some problems though. His last name weighs him down more than Hillary’s. And we’ve already had two Bushes in the WH, the second one more recent and less popular than Bill Clinton.

Moreover, Jeb’s almost as old as Hillary. So the gop would be sacrificing the possible advantage a younger candidate would have.

158 Lidane  Apr 4, 2014 4:59:43pm

re: #154 dog philosopher

he wasn’t fired for his political views. that’s illegal

he was fired because his political views impacted his ability to do his job - lead the company

Oh, but speech should never, ever have consequences. Ever.

A CEO should just be able to donate to whatever bigoted campaigns or politicians they want and no one can say anything. I mean, it’s not like the CEO is the public face of the company or anything. Surely their political opinions and contributions don’t have any sort of impact on talent recruiting and retention, or in customer perception.

159 klys  Apr 4, 2014 5:01:48pm

I am fucking proud that my name is on the donor list against Prop 8. If someone wants to make a deal about it, that’s not someone I want to be associated with.

When your goal is oppression of other people, you better have a damn good reason for it. I have never heard an argument against gay marriage that qualifies.

160 dog philosopher  Apr 4, 2014 5:02:57pm

re: #158 Lidane

Oh, but speech should never, ever have consequences. Ever.

A CEO should just be able to donate to whatever bigoted campaigns or politicians they want and no one can say anything. I mean, it’s not like the CEO is the public face of the company or anything. Surely their political opinions and contributions don’t have any sort of impact on talent recruiting and retention, or in customer perception.

somehow it turns out that the job duties of a ceo are different than the job duties of a software engineer

who knew?

161 A Mom Anon  Apr 4, 2014 5:03:16pm

re: #132 Targetpractice

I would think it would also send a message that it’s just fine to go ahead and harass and demean gay employees too. After all, the boss thinks gay people don’t deserve civil rights. His money spoke volumes.

162 freetoken  Apr 4, 2014 5:03:44pm

PolitiFact must be running out of contentious claims if they have to do this:

PolitiFact: Science foundation did award grant to fund climate change musical

I’m not sure what PolitiFact is investigating here. The NSF grant is on record.

The only thing I can see is that this is from “PolitiFact Texas” - is PolitiFact now franchising themselves?

163 klys  Apr 4, 2014 5:04:17pm

re: #160 dog philosopher

somehow it turns out that the job duties of a ceo are different than the job duties of a software engineer

who knew?

Guess Eich should have stuck to software development. Then this never would have been an issue.

As those not-CEOs working for tech companies in the Valley without issue for the past 4+ years can attest.

164 Targetpractice  Apr 4, 2014 5:07:04pm

One would think that the people who have the least to worry about when it comes to their political views are the guys towards the bottom of the ladder. Not because they have no power, but for the exact opposite reason. The higher you go up the corporate ladder, the more responsibility you possess and the more control you have over those under you, the more your personal views can seriously fuck over a company if they should influence your decisions. A bigoted janitor is not as likely to get the boot as a bigoted manager who could make the company the subject of a lawsuit for firing a gay employee. A bigoted CEO whose decisions have the power to damage the entire company is cause for serious concern to more than just the employees, they also are a major concern to people who have money sunk into the success of that company.

165 palomino  Apr 4, 2014 5:09:10pm

re: #150 Justanotherhuman

I was around then, a certified adult in my 30s. No, it wouldn’t have mattered in some parts of the country, and it wouldn’t have gotten any publicity, either, no matter where it had been.

Not when it was about race in 1975.

OK, if 1975 is too early, then fast forward a decade or two. The point is that at some relatively recent time in our history, appointing an openly pro-segregation CEO became a bridge too far. And now it’s virtually unthinkable.

In Silicon Valley, Seattle, NYC, and some other places, it’s now becoming that same bridge too far to appoint a CEO who openly opposes SSM. Not necessarily because liberals can’t handle a CEO who disagrees with them on some issues. But because some issues, like gay rights, have achieved a moral status along the lines of civil rights.

166 Decatur Deb  Apr 4, 2014 5:11:24pm

re: #162 freetoken

PolitiFact must be running out of contentious claims if they have to do this:

PolitiFact: Science foundation did award grant to fund climate change musical

I’m not sure what PolitiFact is investigating here. The NSF grant is on record.

The only thing I can see is that this is from “PolitiFact Texas” - is PolitiFact now franchising themselves?

Necessary in states that have a different reality.

Image: Entering+Texas+Road+Sign.jpg

167 GeneJockey  Apr 4, 2014 5:13:02pm

re: #165 palomino

OK, if 1975 is too early, then fast forward a decade or two. The point is that at some relatively recent time in our history, appointing an openly pro-segregation CEO became a bridge too far. And now it’s virtually unthinkable.

In Silicon Valley, Seattle, NYC, and some other places, it’s now becoming that same bridge too far to appoint a CEO who openly opposes SSM. Not necessarily because liberals can’t handle a CEO who disagrees with them on some issues. But because some issues, like gay rights, have achieved a moral status along the lines of civil rights.

Actually, I was wondering why it had to be 1975. Let’s make it TODAY. Would it be okay in KT’s mind for a BoD to request the resignation of a CEO with a history of supporting legislative efforts to make interracial marriage illegal?

168 Lidane  Apr 4, 2014 5:16:10pm

re: #165 palomino

In Silicon Valley, Seattle, NYC, and some other places, it’s now becoming that same bridge too far to appoint a CEO who openly opposes SSM. Not necessarily because liberals can’t handle a CEO who disagrees with them on some issues. But because some issues, like gay rights, have achieved a moral status along the lines of civil rights.

That and it’s a numbers game. In places like Silicon Valley, the quest is on for young, dynamic talent. Younger generations have grown up with openly gay friends and family and they expect to work for a company that would treat its LGBT employees the same as their straight ones. Having a CEO donating to anti-gay causes runs counter to that.

Simply put, if a talented developer in his 20’s who’s grown up with LGBT friends and family has a choice between a company with a bigoted CEO that donates to anti-LGBT causes, or a company that openly supports their LGBT talent, guess where that developer is going to go?

169 Justanotherhuman  Apr 4, 2014 5:16:52pm

re: #165 palomino

OK, if 1975 is too early, then fast forward a decade or two. The point is that at some relatively recent time in our history, appointing an openly pro-segregation CEO became a bridge too far. And now it’s virtually unthinkable.

In Silicon Valley, Seattle, NYC, and some other places, it’s now becoming that same bridge too far to appoint a CEO who openly opposes SSM. Not necessarily because liberals can’t handle a CEO who disagrees with them on some issues. But because some issues, like gay rights, have achieved a moral status along the lines of civil rights.

You might want to look at this article from 2 yrs ago about job segregation. And you might also want to look at the places you mentioned to see what the racial composition of those work places are.

washingtonpost.com

“The results of our research found in part that there has been a trend toward racial re-segregation among white men and black men since 2000 and increased segregation since 1970 between black women and white women in American workplaces — so much so that it has eliminated progress made in the late 1960s. This is not simply an academic question, but a fundamental problem with American society. While most of us morally embrace equal opportunity and race and gender equality, we find that America is still a long way from those commitments. Only by confronting our shortcomings as a society can we address them.”

170 Decatur Deb  Apr 4, 2014 5:17:33pm

re: #168 Lidane

…snip

Simply put, if a talented developer in his 20’s who’s grown up with LGBT friends and family has a choice between a company with a bigoted CEO that donates to anti-LGBT causes, or a company that openly supports their LGBT talent, guess where that developer is going to go?

The one with a Starbucks in the cafeteria?

171 GeneJockey  Apr 4, 2014 5:18:04pm

What say you, Killgore? I asked yesterday where the line was, and you danced away because I used the example of Pat Dollard’s tweet. Let’s dial down the intensity scale from potentially illegal to simply abhorrent. Should a BoD be able to fire a CEO who…

Openly expresses antisemitic opinions?

Openly opposes interracial marriage?

Openly supports white supremacist groups?

At what point do odious opinions held by the public face of a company become something the BoD should be allowed to act on?

172 TedStriker  Apr 4, 2014 5:18:44pm

re: #164 Targetpractice

One would think that the people who have the least to worry about when it comes to their political views are the guys towards the bottom of the ladder. Not because they have no power, but for the exact opposite reason. The higher you go up the corporate ladder, the more responsibility you possess and the more control you have over those under you, the more your personal views can seriously fuck over a company if they should influence your decisions. A bigoted janitor is not as likely to get the boot as a bigoted manager who could make the company the subject of a lawsuit for firing a gay employee. A bigoted CEO whose decisions have the power to damage the entire company is cause for serious concern to more than just the employees, they also are a major concern to people who have money sunk into the success of that company.

You said pretty much what I’d be thinking about this whole Eich deal since he made CEO and all of the heat started coming down on him; the major difference between him and Joe Lunchpail is the power to hire and fire.

173 Justanotherhuman  Apr 4, 2014 5:23:30pm

Good grief, the state of journalism.

“The bakery plans to re-open Monday after extermination, said spokeswoman Amy Ma. She said any whole larger than a ballpoint pen is considered “not vermin proof.”

Health Department Closes Famed Cronut Bakery For ‘Mouse Infestation’

nbcnewyork.com

174 Charles Johnson  Apr 4, 2014 5:23:39pm
175 Romantic Heretic  Apr 4, 2014 5:26:08pm

re: #31 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Saw that over my breakfast English muffins. A nice way to start the day.

176 goddamnedfrank  Apr 4, 2014 5:26:15pm

re: #165 palomino

OK, if 1975 is too early, then fast forward a decade or two. The point is that at some relatively recent time in our history, appointing an openly pro-segregation CEO became a bridge too far. And now it’s virtually unthinkable.

In Silicon Valley, Seattle, NYC, and some other places, it’s now becoming that same bridge too far to appoint a CEO who openly opposes SSM. Not necessarily because liberals can’t handle a CEO who disagrees with them on some issues. But because some issues, like gay rights, have achieved a moral status along the lines of civil rights.

Yes. Also, another factor accelerating these shifts is that the modern information economy depends heavily on the ability to attract young, fresh, and most importantly educated talent. The fact that this demographic trends massively in favor of supporting civil rights for sexual minorities probably drives corporate decision making as much or more than geography.

It used to be that workers had to conform to the workplace, i.e. the infamous I.B.M. dress code of the 1960’s. For the last twenty five years though employers have progressively bent more and more to conform to their culture of their workforce. They’ve realized that needlessly pissing people off costs a lot of money, especially when trying to defend the arbitrary and logically indefensible.

177 GeneJockey  Apr 4, 2014 5:30:45pm

re: #173 Justanotherhuman

Good grief, the state of journalism.

“The bakery plans to re-open Monday after extermination, said spokeswoman Amy Ma. She said any whole larger than a ballpoint pen is considered “not vermin proof.”

Health Department Closes Famed Cronut Bakery For ‘Mouse Infestation’

nbcnewyork.com

Amy Ma? That’s a palindrome!

178 Targetpractice  Apr 4, 2014 5:31:47pm

Mozilla didn’t make a free-speech decision, didn’t make a decision based upon politics. It made a business decision, one that is going to save it a lot of grief in the long run, and some folks are just going to have to accept that a CEO is not entitled to a job.

179 Lidane  Apr 4, 2014 5:33:57pm

re: #178 Targetpractice

Mozilla didn’t make a free-speech decision, didn’t make a decision based upon politics. It made a business decision, one that is going to save it a lot of grief in the long run, and some folks are just going to have to accept that a CEO is not entitled to a job.

Ah, but don’t you remember? The CEO is stinkin’ rich and doesn’t need the job anyway! He should do what he wants without consequence.

180 goddamnedfrank  Apr 4, 2014 5:35:20pm

re: #149 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

You think the tide changing so that, for example, people being against race-mixing is inevitable?

Wierd.

Slavery comes in, slavery goes out. You can’t explain that!

181 Targetpractice  Apr 4, 2014 5:35:52pm

re: #179 Lidane

Ah, but don’t you remember? The CEO is stinkin’ rich and doesn’t need the job anyway! He should do what he wants without consequence.

Yeah, I’m sure the courts will accept that as an excuse when a gay employee sues the company for discrimination because he didn’t get that promotion he was promised.

182 GeneJockey  Apr 4, 2014 5:36:26pm

re: #178 Targetpractice

Mozilla didn’t make a free-speech decision, didn’t make a decision based upon politics. It made a business decision, one that is going to save it a lot of grief in the long run, and some folks are just going to have to accept that a CEO is not entitled to a job.

There’s a reason why CEO’s get the big bucks. They’re ultimately responsible for the whole kit and kaboodle, including public image, relationships with partner companies, relationships with customers, relationships with vendors, relationships with contractors, relationships with investors (if any), relationships with government agencies at all levels and in any country where the company does business.

183 klys  Apr 4, 2014 5:37:42pm

re: #178 Targetpractice

Mozilla didn’t make a free-speech decision, didn’t make a decision based upon politics. It made a business decision, one that is going to save it a lot of grief in the long run, and some folks are just going to have to accept that a CEO is not entitled to a job.

Ah, but here the troutrage was that Mozilla was put in the position where they *had* to make a business decision. We are all supposed to quietly accept that this was the CEO’s personal, private belief, and do absolutely nothing about it.

Because free speech trumps all, unless it is free speech in response to other free speech.

184 dog philosopher  Apr 4, 2014 5:37:59pm

re: #174 Charles Johnson

css is a very elegant language, but deciphering problems caused by its weird ‘specificity’ point system can be mind twisting

185 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 4, 2014 5:38:08pm

re: #174 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

I was about 99% sure that you were doing dynamic CCS and applying elements that way. I taught that technique when I teach my class on HTML5 and JavaScript. Always blows away the folks that were used to doing “Parallel UI’s” for mobile and desktop.

Great job.

RBS

186 palomino  Apr 4, 2014 5:38:36pm

re: #169 Justanotherhuman

Oh, yeah, I’m well aware that we’ve regressed on actually integrating society. Indeed, it’s one of the counterarguments to those who refuse to acknowledge how big a factor race still is. But there’s no longer a mainstream debate in this country over whether strict racial segregationist policies are moral. And very few, if any, companies would choose an openly segregationist CEO as the face of their organization.

I think our younger citizens are moving towards a similar perspective when it comes to SSM. Remember, Prop. 8 was SIX years ago, and it only passed 52%-48%. A lot has changed since then—like the minds of millions of Americans on the issue. Prop. 8 would have no chance of passing today in Cali.

187 GeneJockey  Apr 4, 2014 5:39:55pm

re: #182 GeneJockey

There’s a reason why CEO’s get the big bucks. They’re ultimately responsible for the whole kit and kaboodle, including public image, relationships with partner companies, relationships with customers, relationships with vendors, relationships with contractors, relationships with investors (if any), relationships with government agencies at all levels and in any country where the company does business.

Oh, yeah, and employees and potential employees. The company may post all the EEOC posters it likes, and talk about their open inclusive atmosphere till it’s blue in the corporate face, but if you’re LGBT and the recruiter from Google says, “So, you’re looking at Mozilla, too? You know about their CEO, right?”

188 Charles Johnson  Apr 4, 2014 5:39:58pm

The only thing that really bothers me about Brendan Eich losing his CEO gig (he’ll be fine, don’t worry) is that it was started as a kind of PR campaign by the OKCupid dating company.

189 Charles Johnson  Apr 4, 2014 5:40:29pm
190 Targetpractice  Apr 4, 2014 5:40:51pm

re: #188 Charles Johnson

The only thing that really bothers me about Brendan Eich losing his CEO gig (he’ll be fine, don’t worry) is that it was started as a kind of PR campaign by the OKCupid dating company.

Sometimes all it takes is a small spark to light an inferno.

191 klys  Apr 4, 2014 5:42:02pm

re: #187 GeneJockey

Oh, yeah, and employees and potential employees. The company may post all the EEOC posters it likes, and talk about their open inclusive atmosphere till it’s blue in the corporate face, but if you’re LGBT and the recruiter from Google says, “So, you’re looking at Mozilla, too? You know about their CEO, right?”

Good lord, the recruiters from Google are relentless. My husband made the mistake of talking with a few former coworkers there about what jobs are like and now they are non-stop.

192 Stanley Sea  Apr 4, 2014 5:42:02pm

Was expecting RWC’s byline.

193 GeneJockey  Apr 4, 2014 5:42:07pm

re: #188 Charles Johnson

The only thing that really bothers me about Brendan Eich losing his CEO gig (he’ll be fine, don’t worry) is that it was started as a kind of PR campaign by the OKCupid dating company.

I think they got lost in the kerfuffle.

194 GeneJockey  Apr 4, 2014 5:42:43pm

re: #192 Stanley Sea

Was expecting RWC’s byline.

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That dog is 3 seconds away from doing a noseplant on the sidewalk.

195 GeneJockey  Apr 4, 2014 5:45:02pm

re: #191 klys

Good lord, the recruiters from Google are relentless. My husband made the mistake of talking with a few former coworkers there about what jobs are like and now they are non-stop.

They’re supposed to be the best place to work in the whole wide world. You’d think instead of recruiters they’d need discouragers.

196 klys  Apr 4, 2014 5:46:02pm

re: #195 GeneJockey

They’re supposed to be the best place to work in the whole wide world. You’d think instead of recruiters they’d need discouragers.

Their interview process apparently takes months and is like taking an exam. Some of his coworkers studied for weeks.

I may have decided they are not my top choice.

197 Eventual Carrion  Apr 4, 2014 5:46:09pm

re: #119 Decatur Deb

You have an intelligent machine that kills fire ants? Want one.

And by the time I saw it was misspelled, the pencil wouldn’t work.

198 klys  Apr 4, 2014 5:49:31pm

I need a better meat mallet. The “use cans of things you have in the pantry” approach has not served me well.

199 GeneJockey  Apr 4, 2014 5:49:39pm

re: #196 klys

Their interview process apparently takes months and is like taking an exam. Some of his coworkers studied for weeks.

I may have decided they are not my top choice.

Have you picked your safe school company?
//

200 klys  Apr 4, 2014 5:52:09pm

re: #199 GeneJockey

Have you picked your safe school company?
//

Apparently Ireland may end up being a semi-informal job interview.

Maybe.

Really, I’m kind of fucking terrified of the whole thing and am pretending it will go away and I don’t need to do anything about it yet. I recognize this is not a good long-term coping mechanism.

201 Bubblehead II  Apr 4, 2014 5:52:14pm

re: #64 Targetpractice

As has been noted, Eich could have probably defused the whole thing by saying that he’d changed his opinion in the six years since making the donation, even if it was bullshit. But he dodged the question with the “It’s my personal opinion” gambit and the board decided that wasn’t good enough.

The point KT seems to be (willingly) missing is that if an employee, regardless of their ranking in the company makes a statement, politically (and that donation was a political statement) or other wise that negatively reflects on the company, said company can term their ass.

It’s one of the great joys of working in an employment at will/right to work State.

Chances are that there was a clause buried in his contract that covered a situation such as this.

It’s one of the reasons I don’t get too involved in many of the discussions here and in general keep a low profile on social networking sites.

He fucked up, made a political statement (donation) that embarrassed the company and then doubled down and got canned as a result. Tuff Shit, Next case.

202 dog philosopher  Apr 4, 2014 5:52:40pm

re: #195 GeneJockey

They’re supposed to be the best place to work in the whole wide world. You’d think instead of recruiters they’d need discouragers.

humph

203 GeneJockey  Apr 4, 2014 5:53:39pm

re: #200 klys

Apparently Ireland may end up being a semi-informal job interview.

Maybe.

Really, I’m kind of fucking terrified of the whole thing and am pretending it will go away and I don’t need to do anything about it yet. I recognize this is not a good long-term coping mechanism.

No, but it’s a popular one.

204 GeneJockey  Apr 4, 2014 5:55:06pm

re: #202 dog philosopher

humph

“I didn’t get a ‘Harumph’ outta that guy!”

205 klys  Apr 4, 2014 5:55:42pm

re: #203 GeneJockey

No, but it’s a popular one.

The funny thing is, I end up proofing my sisters’ cover letters/resumes.

I’ve never had a full time job that wasn’t an internship in my life. I didn’t realize a phone interview for my biggest summer internship was an interview UNTIL I GOT THERE, 3 months later. (But bossing my lab partner around while in the interview apparently paid off.)

But this? I can pretend for at least another week that I don’t need to start pulling a resume together.

206 TedStriker  Apr 4, 2014 6:05:06pm

re: #204 GeneJockey

“I didn’t get a ‘Harumph’ outta that guy!”

“You watch your ass!”

207 GeneJockey  Apr 4, 2014 6:05:48pm

re: #205 klys

The funny thing is, I end up proofing my sisters’ cover letters/resumes.

I’ve never had a full time job that wasn’t an internship in my life. I didn’t realize a phone interview for my biggest summer internship was an interview UNTIL I GOT THERE, 3 months later. (But bossing my lab partner around while in the interview apparently paid off.)

But this? I can pretend for at least another week that I don’t need to start pulling a resume together.

“NO! YOU’VE GOT THE MIXTURE ALL WRONG!!!”
(picture turns to static, brief flash and the sound of a distant, but large explosion, and the beginning of sirens wailing)

208 klys  Apr 4, 2014 6:08:03pm

re: #207 GeneJockey

“NO! YOU’VE GOT THE MIXTURE ALL WRONG!!!”
(picture turns to static, brief flash and the sound of a distant, but large explosion, and the beginning of sirens wailing)

Haha. No, I want to say …well. That may have been the bomb calorimeter lab? My memory is fuzzy at this point. Pchem 2.

209 PhillyPretzel  Apr 4, 2014 6:09:04pm

Thank you Charles. I will try it out on the weekend.

210 GeneJockey  Apr 4, 2014 6:13:40pm

re: #208 klys

Haha. No, I want to say …well. That may have been the bomb calorimeter lab? My memory is fuzzy at this point. Pchem 2.

Ah, Pchem. I took it during my one unsuccessful year of grad school. It was all the way across campus from the class I had just before, so I ended up always getting a seat in the back.

By that age (22), my astigmatism had begun to manifest, but so slowly that I didn’t notice. All I knew is that I couldn’t really make out the signs on the board, and couldn’t really follow what he was teaching.

Come the Midterm, and I finally crack the book and for the FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE, could not pick it all up in a single night. I went into the exam and LIVED the ‘Exam in a class you didn’t sign up for and can’t fake’ dream.

Dropped the class the next day. Dropped out of Grad school a few months later and started working as a lab tech.

Turns out I can do Science really well for money, but not so much for a degree.

211 Bubblehead II  Apr 4, 2014 6:27:40pm

Seems KT is having problems.

Refer to this

littlegreenfootballs.com

Tapping foot and drinking a beer

/why bother? He will not answer.

212 klys  Apr 4, 2014 6:39:30pm

re: #210 GeneJockey

Ah, Pchem. I took it during my one unsuccessful year of grad school. It was all the way across campus from the class I had just before, so I ended up always getting a seat in the back.

By that age (22), my astigmatism had begun to manifest, but so slowly that I didn’t notice. All I knew is that I couldn’t really make out the signs on the board, and couldn’t really follow what he was teaching.

Come the Midterm, and I finally crack the book and for the FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE, could not pick it all up in a single night. I went into the exam and LIVED the ‘Exam in a class you didn’t sign up for and can’t fake’ dream.

Dropped the class the next day. Dropped out of Grad school a few months later and started working as a lab tech.

Turns out I can do Science really well for money, but not so much for a degree.

I know we’re mostly upstairs, but…

I *adored* pchem at the time. I’m not sure how much I would enjoy it now, 6 years of grad school later.

Although thermo has always had a special fascination.

213 Charles Johnson  Apr 4, 2014 6:54:48pm

Meteors, Meteoroids, and Meteorites

The period after the light phenomena cease is called dark flight.

214 klys  Apr 4, 2014 6:55:19pm

re: #213 Charles Johnson

Meteors, Meteoroids, and Meteorites

Not to make assumptions, but maybe for upstairs?

215 Bubblehead II  Apr 4, 2014 7:10:05pm

Seems KT can’t be bothered to answer. May be it’s the frogs

216 prairiefire  Apr 4, 2014 7:12:58pm

re: #133 BongCrodny

Kansas City, Day 4:

Reading the local alternative weekly, checking out the music scene.

If there is a better name for a band than The Kaopectones, I have yet to hear it.

Also: I’m currently staying at a B&B type place (closer to a hostel, but why quibble), but actively looking for something more permanent — or at least until the powers that be decide whether I’ve got the goods to do the job.

One of the places I looked at was in North Hyde Park, KC. There was a plaque attached to one of the steps leading up to the building. It read:

“On this site in 1897, nothing happened.”

Hey! Kansas Citian here! North Hyde Park is good. The condos downtown are fun, maybe a bit pricey. Any questions I can help you with re: my town?


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