Former CIA Director: Sen. Dianne Feinstein Is ‘Emotional’

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The US intelligence community’s spokespeople are trying to get out in front of the release of a highly critical report on the CIA’s detention and interrogation programs (read: torture), but former CIA director Michael Hayden is not really helping with patronizing, sexist comments like this.

“That sense that the motivation for the report may show deep emotional feeling on the part of (Sen. Dianne Feinstein), but I don’t think it leads you to an objective report,” Hayden said on “Fox News Sunday.”

Pushed by Fox host Chris Wallace, Hayden said: “You’re asking me about a report that I have no idea of its content. No one responsible for that report has spoken a word… so it’s very hard for me to make a judgment.”

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1 Kragar  Apr 6, 2014 1:19:20pm

Did he go on to say the Senator was probably just having her period?

It shit like this which pisses me the fuck off.

2 Targetpractice  Apr 6, 2014 1:19:38pm

“Hey now, you can’t go believing a report written up by hysterical women. Just take comfort in knowing that we’d never lie to you when we say we’ve never tortured anyone. Would this face lie to you?”

3 jaunte  Apr 6, 2014 1:21:58pm
“it’s very hard for me to make a judgment”

“So in lieu of facts, I’ll just impugn the motives of the investigators.”

4 b.d.  Apr 6, 2014 1:22:15pm

re: #1 Kragar

He didn’t refer to her as the Little Lady from California either, Hayden must have gone to some sensitivity classes lately or something.

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5 Political Atheist  Apr 6, 2014 1:26:21pm

Just beat me to Paging this. But hey let’s admit the man is just applying classic dirty politics tricks doctrine, propagandize a diminution of your critics. Put them in the bad light, dig up the dirt or question the competence.

6 Targetpractice  Apr 6, 2014 1:28:52pm

re: #3 jaunte

“So in lieu of facts, I’ll just impugn the motives of the investigators.”

When you can dispute the facts, attack their character.

7 Amory Blaine  Apr 6, 2014 1:29:03pm

What war on women?

8 AntonSirius  Apr 6, 2014 1:29:08pm

Dear Michael Hayden: Do you know what creates “deep emotional feelings” in me, asshole? Knowing that some sick fucks tortured people in my name.

9 Hal_10000  Apr 6, 2014 1:33:23pm

The report must be bad because the CIA is in aggressive spin mode. Jose Rodriguez, who destroyed the torture tape, had an oped that amounted to “I haven’t read their report but it’s wrong because 9/11”.

10 wrenchwench  Apr 6, 2014 1:35:38pm

re: #5 Political Atheist

Just beat me to Paging this. But hey let’s admit the man is just applying classic dirty politics tricks doctrine, propagandize a diminution of your critics. Put them in the bad light, dig up the dirt or question the competence.

Nope, not classic. It’s misogyny. He dismisses her for having emotions, which all humans do, but it’s only considered a bad thing for women to have them. And among the things he has no idea of is what was in Diane Feinstein’s head or heart when she made her statement.

11 Charles Johnson  Apr 6, 2014 1:36:17pm
12 Political Atheist  Apr 6, 2014 1:36:59pm

It’s the kind of ‘true to form” moment that underpins the worst criticisms of Big Intel in the GWOT. Remember that’s his oversight he’s talking about. “The boss” in some ways.

13 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 6, 2014 1:44:00pm

Hey, maybe emotions are actually important because otherwise what the hell is the point of life.

For fuck’s sake.

14 Amory Blaine  Apr 6, 2014 1:46:00pm
15 Amory Blaine  Apr 6, 2014 1:52:05pm

Boehner’s 3rd in line to the button and he cries like a newborn baby. Where’s the concern?

16 Sophist, D.D., DDS, DFH  Apr 6, 2014 2:05:42pm

Because god forbid someone have emotions about torture. Don’t they know the only valid response is cold, inhuman, inhumane indifference?

17 goddamnedfrank  Apr 6, 2014 2:11:39pm

re: #13 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Hey, maybe emotions are actually important because otherwise what the hell is the point of life.

For fuck’s sake.

Anyway it’s not like anybody involved in the torture program is defending it with anything resembling logic, reason or actual evidence. In fact they deliberately burned the videos, against federal law, to cover up the specifics. That smacks of fear, and fear if anything is the emotion that drove the program from beginning to end.

My favorite moment in the entire debacle was when the old Ft. Hunt interrogators from WWII put their foot down about being used as props:

Back then, they and their commanders wrestled with the morality of bugging prisoners’ cells with listening devices. They felt bad about censoring letters. They took prisoners out for steak dinners to soften them up. They played games with them.

“We got more information out of a German general with a game of chess or Ping-Pong than they do today, with their torture,” said Henry Kolm, 90, an MIT physicist who had been assigned to play chess in Germany with Hitler’s deputy, Rudolf Hess.

Blunt criticism of modern enemy interrogations was a common refrain at the ceremonies held beside the Potomac River near Alexandria. Across the river, President Bush defended his administration’s methods of detaining and questioning terrorism suspects during an Oval Office appearance.

Several of the veterans, all men in their 80s and 90s, denounced the controversial techniques. And when the time came for them to accept honors from the Army’s Freedom Team Salute, one veteran refused, citing his opposition to the war in Iraq and procedures that have been used at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.

“I feel like the military is using us to say, ‘We did spooky stuff then, so it’s okay to do it now,’ ” said Arno Mayer, 81, a professor of European history at Princeton University.

18 bratwurst  Apr 6, 2014 2:12:09pm
19 Varek Raith  Apr 6, 2014 2:13:38pm

re: #18 bratwurst

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Trick question.

21 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 6, 2014 2:28:24pm

Hmm, all it takes is 2-3 weeks!

A snowy day in March

To spring flowers a little later

22 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 6, 2014 2:32:56pm

YA THINK?

23 Amory Blaine  Apr 6, 2014 2:39:52pm

Motorcycle accidents are the worst. Being in Milwaukee I have more than my share of dead friends and relatives from motorcycle accidents. Not to mention the living ones with permanent brain damage and destroyed legs.

24 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 6, 2014 2:44:05pm

re: #23 Amory Blaine

Motorcycle accidents are the worst. Being in Milwaukee I have more than my share of dead friends and relatives from motorcycle accidents. Not to mention the living ones with permanent brain damage and destroyed legs.

I ride and I accept a certain level of risk. That said, wear a helmet, leathers & proper boots & never ever trust that a car or truck is driven by someone sane or safe.

25 urbanmeemaw  Apr 6, 2014 2:45:21pm

re: #19 Varek Raith

Or a “trek” question? I ask, you decide.

26 Amory Blaine  Apr 6, 2014 2:48:34pm

re: #24 William Barnett-Lewis

Mostly the danger is from other drivers, like you said. However I have a growing concern for the elderly cycle drivers out there. I know dozens of guys in their 60s still riding around on fatboys like they’re 20 years old.

27 Tigger2  Apr 6, 2014 3:07:03pm

re: #23 Amory Blaine

Motorcycle accidents are the worst. Being in Milwaukee I have more than my share of dead friends and relatives from motorcycle accidents. Not to mention the living ones with permanent brain damage and destroyed legs.

Whenever I would ride I was always looking from right in front of me to 3 to 4 blocks ahead.

28 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 6, 2014 3:12:34pm

STUPID WINGNUT MEME OF THE DAY
HURR HURR!!!! TEH BIRF CONTROL PILL IS TEH SAME AS TEH CONDOMS1!!!!!

29 jaunte  Apr 6, 2014 3:13:40pm

In the ‘credentials caucus,’ GOP’s 2016 hopefuls study policy and seek advisers

“…Last Monday night at Washington’s Capital Grille, Senate firebrand and potential presidential candidate Ted Cruz met conservative economist Stephen Moore for a dinner that stretched on for four hours. Moore said he helped the Texas Republican brainstorm policies that would get beyond “standard Republican pablum.”

Look for some extra-spicy Moore-style pablum.

30 jaunte  Apr 6, 2014 3:15:09pm
“Former defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld, known for his controversial decisions during the Iraq war, has been courted by several potential candidates and plans to meet with Cruz in coming days.”
31 steve_davis  Apr 6, 2014 3:24:45pm

Nothing to do with Dianne Feinstein, but I bought the United Artist collection of Gordon Lightfoot’s first 5 albums, and all I can say, after getting into a second run-through, is god DAMN this guy is good.

32 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 6, 2014 3:29:13pm

re: #31 steve_davis

Nothing to do with Dianne Feinstein, but I bought the United Artist collection of Gordon Lightfoot’s first 5 albums, and all I can say, after getting into a second run-through, is god DAMN this guy is good.

Good as they are, the only songs he’s really know for are Sundown & Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald (the latter is his favorite song so it’s a good thing) but he is much more than those isn’t he?

33 Romantic Heretic  Apr 6, 2014 3:30:52pm

re: #24 William Barnett-Lewis

I ride and I accept a certain level of risk. That said, wear a helmet, leathers & proper boots & never ever trust that a car or truck is driven by someone sane or safe.

That’s my attitude as a pedestrian as well. I always remember I am prey at best, and do not even impinge upon their consciousness at worst.

34 makeitstop  Apr 6, 2014 3:32:22pm

Hey, Lizards,

Back from playing a show in Rhode Island last night. Fun show, great night, which I capped off by getting my left index finger caught in the tailgate of a truck. I’m sporting a big clumsy splint and typing with 7 fingers.

What did I miss while I was off injuring myself?

35 Killgore Trout  Apr 6, 2014 3:34:23pm

Terror training in Syria makes attack on UK ‘inevitable’

The threat posed by veterans from Syria is “unprecedented”, according to Gilles de Kerchove, the EU’s counter-terrorism co-ordinator. The warning is made in written evidence to a Home Affairs Select Committee inquiry on counter terrorism, published last Tuesday.

“All the reports I have seen suggest that it is becoming increasingly acute,” he added.

“National budgets devoted to counter-terrorism are declining across the EU. Yet the threat that we face is becoming more diverse, more diffuse, and more unpredictable.”

36 sattv4u2  Apr 6, 2014 3:34:39pm

re: #34 makeitstop

I’m sporting a big clumsy splint and typing with 7 fingers.

heh

Thats 5 more than I use!

37 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 6, 2014 3:35:47pm

re: #32 William Barnett-Lewis

Good as they are, the only songs he’s really know for are Sundown & Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald (the latter is his favorite song so it’s a good thing) but he is much more than those isn’t he?

absolutely. Any Canadian can easily name ten Lightfoot songs. “If you could read my mind” is a phenomenal song and I’ve also been partial to “Carefree Highway” and “Rainy day people”. The “Canadian railroad trilogy” is also great.

38 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 6, 2014 3:36:03pm

re: #34 makeitstop

Hey, Lizards,

Back from playing a show in Rhode Island last night. Fun show, great night, which I capped off by getting my left index finger caught in the tailgate of a truck. I’m sporting a big clumsy splint and typing with 7 fingers.

What did I miss while I was off injuring myself?

ACA has been rescinded by unilateral Act of Congress, and you are also required to write a check for your entire net worth and send it in to the nearest billionaire. The latter is due to the recently enacted Restore America to Its Rightful Place in the Sun Act.
//

39 Amory Blaine  Apr 6, 2014 3:37:40pm

I love his music.re: #38 Feline Fearless Leader

Collection drone has been dispatched to your residence. Compliance is compulsory.

40 sattv4u2  Apr 6, 2014 3:39:34pm

re: #35 Killgore Trout

Terror training in Syria makes attack on UK ‘inevitable’

Nor is the problem confined to Syria. Africa is now a “particular” concern, since “the terrorism threat is growing and becoming a major obstacle to development”,

Didn’t I say earlier that other hot spots around the world were too busy with internal affairs to give much due to Russias designs in their region of the world!?!? Case in point

41 TedStriker  Apr 6, 2014 3:40:07pm

re: #31 steve_davis

Nothing to do with Dianne Feinstein, but I bought the United Artist collection of Gordon Lightfoot’s first 5 albums, and all I can say, after getting into a second run-through, is god DAMN this guy is good.

re: #32 William Barnett-Lewis

Good as they are, the only songs he’s really know for are Sundown & Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald (the latter is his favorite song so it’s a good thing) but he is much more than those isn’t he?

While I love “If You Could Read My Mind”, “Sundown”, “The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald”, and “Carefree HIghway”, songs that Lightfoot is more known for among us Americans, this one is one of my absolute all-time faves:

Youtube Video

42 makeitstop  Apr 6, 2014 3:41:00pm

re: #38 Feline Fearless Leader

ACA has been rescinded by unilateral Act of Congress, and you are also required to write a check for your entire net worth and send it in to the nearest billionaire. The latter is due to the recently enacted Restore America to Its Rightful Place in the Sun Act.
//

Well, that’ll teach me to leave town for the weekend.

43 sattv4u2  Apr 6, 2014 3:42:03pm

re: #42 makeitstop

Well, that’ll teach me to leave town for the weekend.

I’m amazed they let you back in!!!!

//

44 Killgore Trout  Apr 6, 2014 3:46:06pm

re: #40 sattv4u2

Nor is the problem confined to Syria. Africa is now a “particular” concern, since “the terrorism threat is growing and becoming a major obstacle to development”,

Didn’t I say earlier that other hot spots around the world were too busy with internal affairs to give much due to Russias designs in their region of the world!?!? Case in point

Yup.

45 steve_davis  Apr 6, 2014 3:46:26pm

re: #32 William Barnett-Lewis

Good as they are, the only songs he’s really know for are Sundown & Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald (the latter is his favorite song so it’s a good thing) but he is much more than those isn’t he?

Well, that’s the funny thing. I’m trying to build my acoustic guitar chops so that in a year or so I can think about playing out. And rather than learning “Sundown,” I’d rather do “Early Morning Rain” and other stuff that would have a crowd going “wow, that song feels like something I’m supposed to know, but what the heck is it?” For non-guitar players, by the way, what he’s doing on guitar is way more complicated than it often sounds!

46 makeitstop  Apr 6, 2014 3:50:10pm

re: #43 sattv4u2

I’m amazed they let you back in!!!!

//

They’ll let anybody in this joint.

47 nines09  Apr 6, 2014 3:59:02pm

Pushed by Fox host Chris Wallace, Hayden said: “You’re asking me about a report that I have no idea of its content. No one responsible for that report has spoken a word… so it’s very hard for me to make a judgment.”
End quote…….”But allow me to make a judgment based on my long held belief that “I Am A Dick.” That being said, nobody knows what was said except what I, a dick, said. You did hear what I said? Good. Now excuse me I have to get to Fox…..Uh……What?…. Wait a minute…..”

48 jaunte  Apr 6, 2014 4:02:39pm

smithsonianmag.com

49 b.d.  Apr 6, 2014 4:03:27pm

re: #48 jaunte

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They had cats back then?

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50 jaunte  Apr 6, 2014 4:04:53pm

re: #49 b.d.

Probably looking for a keyboard to walk on.

51 palomino  Apr 6, 2014 4:19:10pm

If anything, the exact opposite is true about Feinstein. She’s one of the most rational. calm, level headed, and moderate people in the US Senate. Yes, moderate.

The “emotional” one (i.e., bitchy female radical in Hayden’s eyes) is Barbara Boxer, Cali’s other Senator.

The only “radical” thing I can think Feinstein has done was her support for a bill that would have outlawed a mere handful of assault weapons. Woo hoo.

52 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 6, 2014 4:32:25pm

re: #49 b.d.

They had cats back then?

//

Yes, even back then cats had people.

RBS

53 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 6, 2014 4:41:56pm

re: #51 palomino

Feinstaine is a typical corporatist Dem, hewing to basically the center of the American mainstream. She’s a phony and not going to push any sort of envelope and makes a ridiculous person to hold up as some sort of radical.

54 Mattand  Apr 6, 2014 4:54:40pm

re: #1 Kragar

Did he go on to say the Senator was probably just having her period?

It shit like this which pisses me the fuck off.

My esteemed governor here in NJ just spent a million tax dollars on a report that does this:

“Her boyfriend dumped her, so we think she got emotional and shut down the GWB while lashing out. Oh, and I’m the victim here.”

Ladies, on behalf of the Y chromosome set, please accept my apologies.

55 Mattand  Apr 6, 2014 4:56:39pm

re: #20 Feline Fearless Leader

For when you need a lot of typeface, and need it quickly

That’s great! Is that in Center City?

56 sattv4u2  Apr 6, 2014 4:57:31pm

re: #54 Mattand

Ladies……please accept my apologies.

I’ve been sending notes like that since I started dating!!!

wait , what????

//

57 palomino  Apr 6, 2014 4:58:58pm

re: #53 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Feinstaine is a typical corporatist Dem, hewing to basically the center of the American mainstream. She’s a phony and not going to push any sort of envelope and makes a ridiculous person to hold up as some sort of radical.

Furthermore, Feinstein’s not exactly a pacifist. She voted FOR the Iraq War. Unlike Boxer, who’s the actual sort of liberal from Calif.

58 Ojoe  Apr 6, 2014 5:07:16pm

re: #57 palomino

She also is good with restricting full freedom of the press to just a few “bona fide” journalists — at the gov’ts definition of who that would be, of course.

No good, no good at all.

59 freetoken  Apr 6, 2014 5:08:22pm

Slow news day, just the usual churn.

However, I notice that Chili’s reversed its support for an anti-vaxxer organization when people started to build up to a boycott of Chili’s for their decision.

Waiting for someone to come in and tell us that threatening to boycott Chili’s was wrong.

60 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 6, 2014 5:10:21pm

re: #59 freetoken

Slow news day, just the usual churn.

However, I notice that Chili’s reversed its support for an anti-vaxxer organization when people started to build up to a boycott of Chili’s for their decision.

Waiting for someone to come in and tell us that threatening to boycott Chili’s was wrong.

I think he’s still too concerned about Mozilla to move on yet.

61 Decatur Deb  Apr 6, 2014 5:10:33pm

re: #59 freetoken

Slow news day, just the usual churn.

However, I notice that Chili’s reversed its support for an anti-vaxxer organization when people started to build up to a boycott of Chili’s for their decision.

Waiting for someone to come in and tell us that threatening to boycott Chili’s was wrong.

Shouldn’t boycott the differently-scienced.

62 Justanotherhuman  Apr 6, 2014 5:10:42pm

Well, I’m not surprised about Hayden having that attitude. He’s in my age range (he’s 69; I’m 73) and wish I had a dollar for every time I heard shit like that from men like him.

Meanwhile, look who’s performing in Charlotte tomorrow night.

songkick.com

It’s a small venue in the rather gritty artsy/hipster neighborhood of North Charlotte where I’ve seen property go from virtually no value to ridiculous amounts for shotgun mill houses.

63 b.d.  Apr 6, 2014 5:10:42pm

re: #59 freetoken

Waiting for someone to come in and tell us that threatening to boycott Chili’s was wrong.

EATING AT CHILI’S IS WRONG!!!!

(sorry, that’s about as good as I can come up with)

64 sattv4u2  Apr 6, 2014 5:17:02pm

re: #63 b.d.

EATING AT CHILI’S IS WRONG!!!!

(sorry, that’s about as good as I can come up with)

Couple of years ago they had a GREAT special that I haven’t seen them repeat since

1/2 rack of babyback ribs,,,,, (at least 6 bones and loaded with meat,,, and very good) ,,, 2 sides and a dessert for $9.95

The dessert they gave was on the menu al a carte for $5.95.

65 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 6, 2014 6:52:08pm

re: #55 Mattand

That’s great! Is that in Center City?

Roughly 24th and Sansom. Little section of old buildings squirreled away in there including an old arsenal. I transit through there every so often when on walks since it’s close to the River Trail.

66 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 6, 2014 8:02:36pm

re: #59 freetoken

Slow news day, just the usual churn.

However, I notice that Chili’s reversed its support for an anti-vaxxer organization when people started to build up to a boycott of Chili’s for their decision.

Waiting for someone to come in and tell us that threatening to boycott Chili’s was wrong.

Chili’s causes autism! Boycott Chili’s for giving in to a boycott!
/

How’s that?


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