Right Wing Journalism Watch: Breitbart “News” Photoshops Nancy Pelosi’s Head on Miley Cyrus

Right wing humor = sociopathy
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As Chez Pazienza says, the Breitbrats are really just trolling liberals with this deliberately offensive post by right wing “street artist” Sabo: Welcome to Breitbart California.

I’m interested in it from the standpoint of a connoisseur of inadvertent wingnut comedy, and this is a great example of the genre. It’s like looking at something humorous in a funhouse mirror — the result is disturbing and weird, like a glimpse into a sociopath’s mind. They just can’t help revealing their own neuroses and reactionary bigotry, no matter how much they might talk about “rebranding” or “outreach.” This right here is the real deal.

Click here to see it. (Possibly NSFW.)

There’s more on the page linked above, and it doesn’t get any better. The most striking thing about these crude Photoshops is how utterly devoid of a point they are.

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364 comments
1 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2014 1:19:10pm

Why did they do that to Michele Bachmann?

//

2 Kragar  Apr 7, 2014 1:19:34pm

“You can’t make this shit up.”

Except for the fact they do all the time.

3 Internet Tough Guy  Apr 7, 2014 1:19:52pm

Incoming copyright infringement claim…

4 b.d.  Apr 7, 2014 1:20:34pm

Did George Zimmerman paint those?

5 b.d.  Apr 7, 2014 1:22:45pm

Holy skateboarding ghost Batman!

6 GeneJockey  Apr 7, 2014 1:23:13pm

re: #2 Kragar

“You can’t make this shit up.”

Except for the fact they do all the time.

So, they say, ‘You can’t make this shit up’ on a picture they Photoshopped into existence.

You can’t make this shit up.

7 Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2014 1:23:17pm

The right wing media are in a real downward spiral - the only way they can get noticed by an increasingly debased audience is to keep finding new ways to be offensive without crossing the line into outright hate speech.

8 GeneJockey  Apr 7, 2014 1:24:34pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

The right wing media are in a real downward spiral - the only way they can get noticed by an increasingly debased audience is to keep finding new ways to be offensive without crossing the line into outright hate speech.

The whole right wing mediasphere is turning into the comments on Yahoo.

9 Coracle  Apr 7, 2014 1:27:36pm
10 Bulworth  Apr 7, 2014 1:29:38pm

That’s just great journamalism, Baby Breitbarts, just great. //

11 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2014 1:30:50pm

Judge rules MoveOn’s LA Medicaid expansion billboard can stay up

BATON ROUGE (NBC33) — On Monday, a federal judge from the Middle District of Louisiana issued a ruling that will allow moveon.org’s billboard criticizing Governor Bobby Jindal for denying health care to 242,000 Louisianians to remain standing.

In her ruling, the judge concluded, “the Lieutenant Governor underestimates the intelligence and reasonableness of people viewing the billboard…. The State has failed to demonstrate a compelling reason to curtail moveon.org.’s political speech in favor of protecting the State’s service mark.”

12 Testy Toad T  Apr 7, 2014 1:31:13pm

And whatever blowback comes will make the Right circle their wagons ever tighter against those Evil Librul Enemies of Free Speech!!!!1, because they are an affiliation-driven movement, not a problem-and-solution-driven movement.

Some will launch into a Pam/Malkin-esque drunken twitter tirade. Others will tut-tut disapprovingly, so as to feel that they belong with the mainstream (I can name a few at LGF). Very, very few will attempt to effect meaningful punishment or change; those few that make any concrete effort will simply leave the ever-shrinking tent, pushing the GOP further into the self-radicalization spiral.

13 dog philosopher  Apr 7, 2014 1:31:43pm

when i was back east last fall somebody said to me “oh, but you are living in ‘pelosi-land’”

if only i was living in a state that is an international tourist destination, with an economy in the world’s top ten, where several major innovative world industries have their centers, within reach of delicacies from all over the world…

14 Bulworth  Apr 7, 2014 1:31:55pm

You stay classy, wingnuts

15 lawhawk  Apr 7, 2014 1:33:33pm

The image isn’t news. It’s not even newsy, or newsworthy. It’s propaganda pushed by a right wing debased of any facts or logic. Instead, it hopes to shock and horrify a right wing base that is in a constant state of horror over the state of the Union, despite the fact that things are going rather well despite the best efforts of the right to take down the economy and the President.

But this is the best they could do? I guess we shouldn’t press them to do more, since they’ll only keep shoveling deeper and deeper.

I’d like to think that they’re entering echo chamber territory, but there’s enough hatred of the President and all he represents that they think this will inure benefit to them in the midterms later this year.

16 jaunte  Apr 7, 2014 1:33:54pm

“Mozilla-free”: the latest conservative fad.

17 GeneJockey  Apr 7, 2014 1:34:11pm

re: #9 Coracle

[Embedded content]

The problem with modern Conservatism is that it is no longer a coherent philosophy. It’s become ‘The Opposite of What I Think Liberals Want’ for most Conservatives. Hence the opposition to a healthcare reform plan THEY DESIGNED, or the firmly entrenched denial of AGW.

When Trayvon Martin was killed, the response I saw from a number of wingers was “Dirty Harry wannabe went too far and killed a kid.”

Then Obama made his ‘my son would look like Trayvon’ comments, and the Right HAD TO side with Zimmerman, so Trayvon HAD TO become a thug who deserved it.

If nobody on the Left had made any noise, I wonder if maybe some on the right would have objected to that ridiculous, vile Photoshop? But, since someone on the left did, it now must be Defended At All Costs.

18 Testy Toad T  Apr 7, 2014 1:36:39pm

re: #17 GeneJockey

If nobody on the Left had made any noise, I wonder if maybe some on the right would have objected to that ridiculous, vile Photoshop? But, since someone on the left did, it now must be Defended At All Costs.

If nobody on the Left made any noise, I wonder how long it would take the right to collapse in a puff of confusion, suddenly bereft of any positions or flimsiest veneer of coherent ideology.

19 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2014 1:37:16pm

re: #17 GeneJockey

The problem with modern Conservatism is that it is no longer a coherent philosophy. It’s become ‘The Opposite of What I Think Liberals Want’ ‘Piss off the Libturds’ for most Conservatives.

Fixed that for accuracy.

20 Bulworth  Apr 7, 2014 1:39:33pm

We don’t make the rules. The Left does.

What does that even mean? What ‘rules’?

Oh wait, sorry, it just means:

Hey, we’re the victims here!

21 Romantic Heretic  Apr 7, 2014 1:40:19pm

Of course there’s a point, besides the one on the top of our heads. Pictures like these show that libtards are stupid, evil and obsessed with sex.

We are none of those things.

22 Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2014 1:41:58pm
23 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 7, 2014 1:42:07pm

re: #16 jaunte

[Embedded image]

“Mozilla-free”: the latest conservative fad.

Snicker. Considering that MS & Google are, if anything, even more gay friendly than Mozilla…

24 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 7, 2014 1:43:00pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

But I came here for an argument!

:p

25 Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2014 1:43:04pm

There’s some kind of loosely organized campaign by Greenwald cultists to harass John Schindler and anyone who communicates with him on Twitter.

21st century stalking.

26 Testy Toad T  Apr 7, 2014 1:45:21pm

The Hate rose to its climax. The voice of Goldstein had become an actual sheep’s bleat, and for an instant the face changed into that of a sheep…

27 dog philosopher  Apr 7, 2014 1:45:59pm

mozilla-free

unfortunately i have failed to keep track of how many major corporations and organizations have become off limits to True Americans Of Pure Heart And Mind in the past few years

28 Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2014 1:46:28pm

I changed the image in this post to a popup link, because it really is gross. Don’t like the way the site looks with it up there.

29 sauceruney  Apr 7, 2014 1:48:09pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

I’m at an airport restaurant and was carefully shielding my phone till I’d scrolled by the picture. Thank you!

30 b.d.  Apr 7, 2014 1:51:01pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

Thank you Charles.

You could put the badly photoshopped Bart Simpsonesque Breitbart skateboarding picture up.

Alas, if only he skateboarded more and boozed it up less….

31 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 7, 2014 1:52:39pm

There’s a whole bunch of stupid shit at that link.

And the comments!

Some comments have even been deleted! I just can’t even.

They probably deleted the ones that were polite, not hate-crazed and contained facts.

32 EPR-radar  Apr 7, 2014 1:52:55pm

re: #26 Testy Toad T

The Hate rose to its climax. The voice of Goldstein had become an actual sheep’s bleat, and for an instant the face changed into that of a sheep…

Orwell didn’t realize the true potential of propaganda in 1984.

In fairness, I don’t think anyone could have foreseen the effectiveness of the Fox News self-propaganda model.

33 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 7, 2014 1:56:26pm

Shitfuck.

I may owe the IRS this year.

In previous years I made less money & had MOAR deductions.

34 wearing out my F key  Apr 7, 2014 1:56:40pm

Nancy Pelosi’s head on Miley Cyrus’ body?!? That pretty much checks all of my boxes. Thank you! THANK YOU!

35 b.d.  Apr 7, 2014 1:56:43pm

FAMILY VALUES

Rep. Vance McAllister (R-La.) is facing trouble after a local newspaper reported he can be seen kissing a female staffer in a surveillance video.

On Monday, The Ouachita Citizen published a surveillance video allegedly showing McAllister and Melissa Anne Hixon Peacock, McAllister’s district scheduler, at the Republican’s congressional office in Monroe, Louisiana. The two people in the video can be seen embracing and kissing for almost half a minute.

McAllister made headlines in January for inviting “Duck Dynasty” star Willie Robertson as his guest to President Barack Obama’s 2014 State of the Union address.

huffingtonpost.com

Yes, he is married.

36 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 7, 2014 1:57:28pm

What was the purpose of putting Nancy Pelosi’s head on Miley’s body?

37 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 7, 2014 1:58:01pm

re: #36 Pie-onist Overlord

What was the purpose of putting Nancy Pelosi’s head on Miley’s body?

Misogyny.

38 sauceruney  Apr 7, 2014 1:58:14pm

re: #34 wearing out my F key

Rule 34

39 Timothy Watson  Apr 7, 2014 1:58:26pm

re: #33 Pie-onist Overlord

Shitfuck.

I may owe the IRS this year.

In previous years I made less money & had MOAR deductions.

Thanks, Obama.

/

40 dog philosopher  Apr 7, 2014 1:58:27pm

re: #32 EPR-radar

Orwell didn’t realize the true potential of propaganda in 1984.

In fairness, I don’t think anyone could have foreseen the effectiveness of the Fox News self-propaganda model.

check out this video which demonstrates how stupid people can use rhetorical tactics to make smart people look stupid

how an engineer feels when surrounded by idiots

41 GeneJockey  Apr 7, 2014 1:59:00pm

re: #31 Pie-onist Overlord

There’s a whole bunch of stupid shit at that link.

And the comments!

Some comments have even been deleted! I just can’t even.

They probably deleted the ones that were polite, not hate-crazed and contained facts.

It reminds me of the claim that Wingnuts are afraid to say what they really think. You read the comments on Yahoo or wingnut blogs and think, “THIS is the shit they thought was OKAY? How much worse could it BE?!?”

42 Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2014 1:59:05pm

re: #31 Pie-onist Overlord

There’s a whole bunch of stupid shit at that link.

And the comments!

Some comments have even been deleted! I just can’t even.

They probably deleted the ones that were polite, not hate-crazed and contained facts.

The deleted comments are all from liberals. They’re pretty much systematically wiping out all comments that don’t toe the line these days.

43 klys  Apr 7, 2014 1:59:41pm

re: #33 Pie-onist Overlord

Shitfuck.

I may owe the IRS this year.

In previous years I made less money & had MOAR deductions.

As I remind myself every year at tax times, in a lot of cases, paying more in taxes means you earned more money.* That’s not a bad thing.

* I recognize it’s not always the case, but frequently a direct relationship can be found. Also, I am definitely not a tax professional and none of my statements should be treated as such.

44 b.d.  Apr 7, 2014 2:00:40pm

re: #33 Pie-onist Overlord

Shitfuck.

I may owe the IRS this year.

In previous years I made less money & had MOAR deductions.

Somebody’s got to pay for the FEMA camps.

//

45 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 7, 2014 2:02:56pm

OK I PAID TAXES TO NOW I OWN ALL OF YOU!!!!!

46 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 7, 2014 2:03:11pm

BOW TO YOUR TAXPAYING OVERLORD, OR THERE WILL BE NO PIE!

47 GeneJockey  Apr 7, 2014 2:03:54pm

re: #33 Pie-onist Overlord

Shitfuck.

I may owe the IRS this year.

In previous years I made less money & had MOAR deductions.

Not there yet, but our “IRS Christmas Club’ has been getting thinner every year. I keep getting raises, Mrs. Jockey’s bringing in some money, the kids are getting older, some tax breaks expired, nobody’s in therapy, and less of our mortgage payment is interest.

I think my wife was expecting something with ‘thousand’ in it and when she only heard ‘hundreds’ she was disappointed.

48 jaunte  Apr 7, 2014 2:04:02pm

Blessed be the Piemakers!

49 Bulworth  Apr 7, 2014 2:04:12pm
Shitfuck.

I may owe the IRS this year.

In previous years I made less money & had MOAR deductions.

Damn. Thanks, Obama! /

50 GeneJockey  Apr 7, 2014 2:04:56pm

re: #44 b.d.

Somebody’s got to pay for the FEMA camps.

//

Those internees won’t reeducate themselves, you know.

51 palomino  Apr 7, 2014 2:05:25pm

re: #36 Pie-onist Overlord

What was the purpose of putting Nancy Pelosi’s head on Miley’s body?

A lot of people, older conservatives in particular, see Miley Cyrus as nothing but a whore. So putting Nancy Pelosi’s head on Miley’s dirty slutty hell-bound body insults them both, and also serves as a condemnation of the depravity of California, home of both women.

52 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 7, 2014 2:05:42pm

Honestly the overblown muscle man and the Mark Zuckerberg with tits images disturb me almost more than the Pelosi one.

They really do live in a world where anyone who isn’t a deer hunting. muscle bound manly man is subservient to those who are.

53 Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2014 2:06:24pm
54 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 7, 2014 2:06:49pm

It’s funny to see conservatives flip their shit over California and want to send it off into the Pacific, completely ignoring the fact it’s the keystone of American economic power.

55 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 7, 2014 2:07:32pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

Is flight 370 in there somewhere?

56 klys  Apr 7, 2014 2:07:49pm

re: #47 GeneJockey

Not there yet, but our “IRS Christmas Club’ has been getting thinner every year. I keep getting raises, Mrs. Jockey’s bringing in some money, the kids are getting older, some tax breaks expired, nobody’s in therapy, and less of our mortgage payment is interest.

I think my wife was expecting something with ‘thousand’ in it and when she only heard ‘hundreds’ she was disappointed.

I am grateful that this year the fact that my tiny salary disappeared halfway through the year meant the government owed us for a change.

57 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2014 2:07:58pm

re: #35 b.d.

FAMILY VALUES

huffingtonpost.com

Yes, he is married.

Well, hell yes. Don’t Republicans always “fall short”, “ask forgiveness” of everyone under the sun, and refuse to make a “political statement” about it?

Frank Thorp V ‏@frankthorpNBC 12m

More McAllister:”I don’t want to make a political statement on this, I would just simply like to say that I’m very sorry for what I’ve done”

Frank Thorp V ‏@frankthorpNBC 15m

Rep McAllister (R-LA) stmt: “I’m asking for forgiveness from God, my wife, my kids, my staff, and my constituents who elected me to serve.”

Frank Thorp V ‏@frankthorpNBC 16m

Rep McAllister (R-LA) stmt: “There’s no doubt I’ve fallen short and I’m asking for forgiveness.”

58 GeneJockey  Apr 7, 2014 2:09:39pm

re: #54 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s funny to see conservatives flip their shit over California and want to send it off into the Pacific, completely ignoring the fact it’s the keystone of American economic power.

Think how many of their little shithole states live off our tax dollars….

Back during the rolling blackout days in the early 00s, lots of wingnuts said, “California imports power from other states! They oughta be forced to make all their own power!”, as if all their little shithole states are self-sufficient

59 thedopefishlives  Apr 7, 2014 2:09:46pm

Afternoon Lizardim.

60 wrenchwench  Apr 7, 2014 2:10:15pm

re: #34 wearing out my F key

Welcome, hatchling.

61 palomino  Apr 7, 2014 2:12:26pm

re: #54 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s funny to see conservatives flip their shit over California and want to send it off into the Pacific, completely ignoring the fact it’s the keystone of American economic power.

That’s why they hate it so much. Along with the fact that it’s deep blue and has the largest state population.

62 EPR-radar  Apr 7, 2014 2:12:53pm
There’s more on the page linked above, and it doesn’t get any better. The most striking thing about these crude Photoshops is how utterly devoid of a point they are.

The point is ritual condemnation of the hate totems. This really is what US conservatism has regressed to these days.

The only actual policy prescription the GOP has these days is taking from the poor and middle class to give to the rich. Everything else is scapegoating bullshit designed to distract from this and/or mindless and total opposition to all things deemed ‘liberal’.

63 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2014 2:14:01pm

re: #45 Pie-onist Overlord

OK I PAID TAXES TO NOW I OWN ALL OF YOU!!!!!

MrBWS has been union for a few years now so we’ve been wallowing in that union thug big money.
We now pay more in federal and state income taxes that we had annual income during the GWB drought years.
OTOH, we can also afford to heat our house in winter, cool it in summer, eat properly, go to the dentist and doctor without worrying how to pay the bills, and still toss a significant amount into savings.
Would I like to keep that tax money for myself? Sure I would. Just wish that tax money would get spent on frivolous stuff like roads, bridges, education, etc. instead of larding more small government fat asshats.

64 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2014 2:15:02pm

re: #55 Eclectic Cyborg

Is flight 370 in there somewhere?

It’s the one pinging for the fjords…

65 GeneJockey  Apr 7, 2014 2:16:02pm

re: #61 palomino

That’s why they hate it so much. Along with the fact that it’s deep blue and has the largest state population.

And now they can’t even point to us being in deficit anymore.

I’ve been hearing for years about how people are leaving California for the greener pastures of the Red States, but housing prices have rebounded, unemployment has dropped, the freeways are full again, and the rich people keep not leaving.

66 jaunte  Apr 7, 2014 2:18:34pm

re: #62 EPR-radar

The point is ritual condemnation of the hate totems. This really is what US conservatism has regressed to these days.

And just like clockwork:

67 dog philosopher  Apr 7, 2014 2:19:05pm

re: #65 GeneJockey

And now they can’t even point to us being in deficit anymore.

I’ve been hearing for years about how people are leaving California for the greener pastures of the Red States, but housing prices have rebounded, unemployment has dropped, the freeways are full again, and the rich people keep not leaving.

i tell people i’ll leave when the mild climate and stunning landscape leave the state because of high taxes

68 GeneJockey  Apr 7, 2014 2:19:06pm

re: #63 Backwoods_Sleuth

MrBWS has been union for a few years now so we’ve been wallowing in that union thug big money.
We now pay more in federal and state income taxes that we had annual income during the GWB drought years.
OTOH, we can also afford to heat our house in winter, cool it in summer, eat properly, go to the dentist and doctor without worrying how to pay the bills, and still toss a significant amount into savings.
Would I like to keep that tax money for myself? Sure I would. Just wish that tax money would get spent on frivolous stuff like roads, bridges, education, etc. instead of larding more small government fat asshats.

See! That union guy is living high on the hog! Unions are bad!

This is the ‘class envy’ that the Right can get behind - envy of those in your own class. I’d have thought the rational response would be “How do I get into a union?”

69 Testy Toad T  Apr 7, 2014 2:20:49pm

re: #67 dog philosopher

i tell people i’ll leave when the mild climate and stunning landscape leave the state because of high taxes

Well, more likely you’ll leave when the water table leaves the state because of shitty shortsighted (inter)national environmental policy.

Not that most red states aren’t a lot worse off even by that metric.

70 klys  Apr 7, 2014 2:21:00pm

re: #67 dog philosopher

i tell people i’ll leave when the mild climate and stunning landscape leave the state because of high taxes

What mild climate?

I HAVE AC THIS SUMMER. BRING IT ON.

71 palomino  Apr 7, 2014 2:25:20pm

re: #65 GeneJockey

And now they can’t even point to us being in deficit anymore.

I’ve been hearing for years about how people are leaving California for the greener pastures of the Red States, but housing prices have rebounded, unemployment has dropped, the freeways are full again, and the rich people keep not leaving.

I remember a Time magazine cover back in the 70’s with a drawing of California tumbling into the sea. And the caption read, “Is the Calfornia dream dead?” Or something like that, it was a long time ago. Point is, California didn’t turn into hell back then. And it’s not going to now. It’s a huge, diverse place. It’s going to naturally have ups and downs.

72 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 7, 2014 2:27:27pm
73 Killgore Trout  Apr 7, 2014 2:27:48pm

Brendan Eich and the New Moral Majority

Losing your job for being gay is different from losing your job for opposing gay marriage. Unlike homosexuality, opposition to same-sex marriage is a choice, and it directly limits the rights of other people. But the rationales for getting rid of Eich bear a disturbing resemblance to the rationales for getting rid of gay managers and employees. He caused dissension. He made colleagues uncomfortable. He scared off customers. He created a distraction. He didn’t fit.

It used to be social conservatives who stood for the idea that companies could and should fire employees based on the “values” and “community standards” of their “employees, business partners and customers.” Now it’s liberals. Or, rather, it’s people on the left who, in their exhilaration at finally wielding corporate power, have forgotten what liberalism is.

74 Testy Toad T  Apr 7, 2014 2:29:07pm

re: #73 Killgore Trout

Brendan Eich and the New Moral Majority

Tolerance is good. Intolerance is bad. Equating related outcomes is idiotic.

Killgore is MBF. Film at 11.

75 dog philosopher  Apr 7, 2014 2:29:36pm

re: #71 palomino

I remember a Time magazine cover back in the 70’s with a drawing of California tumbling into the sea. And the caption read, “Is the Calfornia dream dead?” Or something like that, it was a long time ago. Point is, California didn’t turn into hell back then. And it’s not going to now. It’s a huge, diverse place. It’s going to naturally have ups and downs.

All the leaves are brown
and the sky is grey
I’ve been for a walk on a winter’s day
I’d be save and warm
if I was in LA
california dreaming on such a winter’s day

76 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 7, 2014 2:30:06pm

re: #73 Killgore Trout

Another article comparing being gay to being someone who’s discriminatory towards gays. It reminds me of the idiots who thought that a gay judge should recuse himself from a gay marriage trial.

77 gwangung  Apr 7, 2014 2:30:17pm

re: #73 Killgore Trout

Brendan Eich and the New Moral Majority

Translation: It’s bad to allow people who make poor decision to face the consequences of said decision.

78 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 7, 2014 2:30:35pm

re: #55 Eclectic Cyborg

Is flight 370 in there somewhere?

Hidden in plane sight.

79 klys  Apr 7, 2014 2:31:20pm

WHY WITH THE HANDBASKET, WHY?

80 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 7, 2014 2:32:32pm

Here’s another one that Erick Erick just retweeted.

81 dog philosopher  Apr 7, 2014 2:33:31pm

re: #73 Killgore Trout

Brendan Eich and the New Moral Majority

But the rationales for getting rid of Eich bear a disturbing resemblance to the rationales for getting rid of gay managers and employees

does promoting limitations on the civil rights of others bear a disturbing resemblance to people born with a predilection to love people of the same sex?

it is not okay to pressure people who choose to promote causes that limit your rights?

82 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 7, 2014 2:33:39pm

Welp I am kinda glad I did not buy that New Fridge this year, looks like IRS is gonna take my new fridge money.

But at least I got to lease the New Car!

83 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2014 2:34:04pm

re: #73 Killgore Trout

Brendan Eich and the New Moral Majority

Leave it alone, Trout.

84 palomino  Apr 7, 2014 2:34:21pm

re: #75 dog philosopher

All the leaves are brown
and the sky is grey
I’ve been for a walk on a winter’s day
I’d be save and warm
if I was in LA
california dreaming on such a winter’s day

One more reason California’s population keeps growing. Along with its natural beauty and diversity: deserts, snow covered mountains and beautiful beaches, all within an hour or so of each other. Not many places have that.

85 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 7, 2014 2:35:09pm

We will have to plan our money laundering charitable donations more carefully for next year.

86 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 7, 2014 2:36:45pm

Honestly one of the main reasons I’d rather not live in California or anywhere in the southwest is my concern about long term viability of the water supply.

87 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2014 2:37:41pm

re: #84 palomino

One more reason California’s population keeps growing. Along with its natural beauty and diversity: deserts, snow covered mountains and beautiful beaches, all within an hour or so of each other. Not many places have that.

Hey, we have all that in NC—except the desert, thank goodness. And they make movies here, too. : )

88 Killgore Trout  Apr 7, 2014 2:37:46pm

Putin’s Attack On East Ukraine Began Today: What This Means For Europe And The US

Ukraine and the West will be confronted with this tragic fait accomplis in the next couple of weeks. It will be too late for the West to do anything other than to babble about enhanced sanctions and warn of further isolation of Russia. The transitional government of Ukraine will have to proceed with a presidential election that excludes its annexed Eastern portions. Putin knows that possession is 99 percent of the law. He has achieved part of his dream. The metallurgical heart of the former Soviet Union has been restored to its rightful place. Now it’s time to turn to Belarus, Moldavia, Georgia, Armenia, and even Kazakhstan.

89 CuriousLurker  Apr 7, 2014 2:37:46pm

re: #73 Killgore Trout

Brendan Eich and the New Moral Majority

Outrage!

Oh, wait… This is getting confusing. //

90 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 7, 2014 2:38:22pm

re: #86 Eclectic Cyborg

Honestly one of the main reasons I’d rather not live in California or anywhere in the southwest is my concern about long term viability of the water supply.

Michigan may be fucked, but we can haz all teh waters, even if we have to share it with Canada.

91 Killgore Trout  Apr 7, 2014 2:38:55pm

re: #83 Justanotherhuman

Leave it alone, Trout.

Nope, people don’t like being controlled. I’m glad more people are speaking out.

92 klys  Apr 7, 2014 2:39:42pm

re: #86 Eclectic Cyborg

Honestly one of the main reasons I’d rather not live in California or anywhere in the southwest is my concern about long term viability of the water supply.

It’s worth remembering that CA is a big, diverse state in this aspect, and the water issues are a big complex thing with lots of problematic history and different causes/issues in different parts of the state.

But yes. There are definitely places where more people are living there (and thinking they need to have a water-chugging lawn) than there should be.

93 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 7, 2014 2:40:10pm

re: #88 Killgore Trout

Putin’s Attack On East Ukraine Began Today: What This Means For Europe And The US

Violence is breaking out in eastern Ukraine already. This could be a rough week. Out there.

94 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Apr 7, 2014 2:40:24pm

re: #90 Pie-onist Overlord

And Chicago, And Wisconsin.

95 Testy Toad T  Apr 7, 2014 2:40:32pm

Shorter Trout: Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I’m being repressed!

96 dog philosopher  Apr 7, 2014 2:40:45pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

Nope, people don’t like being controlled. I’m glad more people are speaking out.

you didn’t seem to be so glad that people were speaking out against eich

97 palomino  Apr 7, 2014 2:41:09pm

re: #87 Justanotherhuman

Hey, we have all that in NC—except the desert, thank goodness. And they make movies here, too. : )

Actually the desert sucks, unless you love golf in 110 degree weather, cuz u can have that practically any day out in Palm Springs, Palm Desert, Twenty-nine Palms, and all the other palm named cities out in the desert.

But it is kinda neat to drive through occasionally. It’s got a stark beauty to it. Or it’s just plain ugly, depending on your perspective.

98 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 7, 2014 2:41:29pm
99 dog philosopher  Apr 7, 2014 2:42:14pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

Nope, people don’t like being controlled

they don’t like other people telling them who they can and can’t marry

100 gwangung  Apr 7, 2014 2:42:36pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

Nope, people don’t like being controlled. I’m glad more people are speaking out.

Yes, so Eich SHOULD BUG OFF.

Trying to control people’s right to marriage SHOULD be spoken out against.

101 Killgore Trout  Apr 7, 2014 2:42:42pm

re: #93 NJDhockeyfan

Violence is breaking out in eastern Ukraine already. This could be a rough week. Out there.

[Embedded content]

Yeah, things are not looking good.

102 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2014 2:42:52pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

Nope, people don’t like being controlled. I’m glad more people are speaking out.

So, you don’t think Eich and the Catholic church don’t want to control people?

There’s also abortion, birth control and other issues where I want to have the freedom to choose without religious nuts trying to take those away because their own “morality” isn’t coming from the Constitution.

103 Testy Toad T  Apr 7, 2014 2:43:31pm

I can recognize an uninteresting threadjack when I see it.

See you fine folks later. Enjoy your Killgoring.

104 thedopefishlives  Apr 7, 2014 2:44:54pm

Well. This evening just got interesting. And that’s just here on LGF.

*puts on asbestos scales*

105 palomino  Apr 7, 2014 2:45:48pm

re: #83 Justanotherhuman

Leave it alone, Trout.

Yeah, right. KT leaving something alone? He’ll be posting about this same issue 5 years from now.

Remember, KT is a guy who thinks the gay rights battles have been won. Despite the fact that 33 states don’t have marriage equality and 39 states don’t have laws to protect gay employees from being arbitrarily fired. On Planet KT, that’s victory. You’re not dealing with a rational person.

106 The Awkward Guy  Apr 7, 2014 2:46:50pm

MOAR DERAILMENT. Augh.

107 Stanley Sea  Apr 7, 2014 2:47:37pm

re: #103 Testy Toad T

I can recognize an uninteresting threadjack when I see it.

See you fine folks later. Enjoy your Killgoring.

Ditto.

108 klys  Apr 7, 2014 2:51:17pm

re: #107 Stanley Sea

Ditto.

Pretty sure I have a desk that needs cleaning. Toodles all.

109 palomino  Apr 7, 2014 2:52:27pm

re: #101 Killgore Trout

Yeah, things are not looking good.

Why hasn’t Obama stopped all this yet?

What a pussy of a President. Not like all our other presidents who stood up to Russian aggression with direct military action. Right?

110 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2014 2:55:48pm

In other news…

Adding to my cast iron collection, I found this little Lodge pre-seasoned 5” beauty, just perfect for grilled cheese sandwiches, etc or 1 egg for $5 at Wallyworld (I always check the clearance stuff. Lodge’s MSRP is $15. W is about the only place to shop around here without running your legs off trying to find other stores to get everything you need. And once in a while you luck up with a decent product like Lodge.

Image: L5WS3.jpg

111 Sionainn  Apr 7, 2014 2:57:50pm

re: #73 Killgore Trout

Brendan Eich and the New Moral Majority

What a load of bullshit. I’d certainly be “uncomfortable” with a boss who was actively working to get my civil rights taken away. That far surpasses any kind of “I’m uncomfortable around gay people.”

112 freetoken  Apr 7, 2014 2:58:30pm

So, I wake up and find that now, in Spy mode, that the posting box and stack of comments apparently have had a fight and not sleeping in the same bed anymore.

The stack of comments now do not start until below the spot on the page where the posting box ends.

113 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2014 2:59:21pm

Not good news for you, guys.

Viagra May Boost Risk of Deadly Skin Cancer, Study Finds

nbcnews.com

“Researchers found that men who took sildenafil, best known as Viagra, were about 84 percent more likely to develop melanoma than men who didn’t take the drug.

“Because it’s just one early study, no one is suggesting that men stop taking Viagra to treat erectile dysfunction, said Dr. Abrar Qureshi, professor and chair of the dermatology department in the Warren Alpert Medical School at Brown University.

(snip)

“Viagra may increase the risk of melanoma because it affects the same genetic pathway that allows the skin cancer to become more invasive, Qureshi said. Those who took the drug weren’t at higher risk of other, less-dangerous skin cancers, such as basal cell or squamous cell cancers.” More

114 thedopefishlives  Apr 7, 2014 3:01:05pm

I walk in and everybody leaves. Was it something I said? *sniffs armpits*

115 makeitstop  Apr 7, 2014 3:01:48pm

re: #107 Stanley Sea

Ditto.

Yeah, this is getting stupid. Think I’d rather break another finger than re-hash yesterday’s re-hash of last week’s re-hash.

Monomania is boring. Later.

116 Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2014 3:02:00pm

re: #112 freetoken

So, I wake up and find that now, in Spy mode, that the posting box and stack of comments apparently have had a fight and not sleeping in the same bed anymore.

The stack of comments now do not start until below the spot on the page where the posting box ends.

Just getting things ready for a mobile version. It’s back to normal now.

117 Decatur Deb  Apr 7, 2014 3:02:45pm

People in this small town can’t show the 11.5K income they need to qualify for Obamacare, and they need a thousand per month to get their meds. I’m supposed to worry because an asshole billionaire has to clean out his desk?

Fuck him and the Segway he rode in on.

118 GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 7, 2014 3:03:28pm

Anyone see the new Captain America and think today’s GOP is Hydra, except completely inept?

119 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 7, 2014 3:03:51pm

This is a “True Patriot”??? I checked this Twitter feed, it’s not a LIBRUL making fun of the Tea Party.
Srsly wingnuts.

120 GeneJockey  Apr 7, 2014 3:03:54pm

re: #117 Decatur Deb

People in this small town can’t show the 11.5K income they need to qualify for Obamacare, and they need a thousand per month to get their meds. I’m supposed to worry because an asshole billionaire has to clean out his desk?

Fuck him and the Segway he rode in on.

But dude - they harshed his mellow!

121 Sionainn  Apr 7, 2014 3:04:31pm

re: #113 Justanotherhuman

Not good news for you, guys.

Viagra May Boost Risk of Deadly Skin Cancer, Study Finds

nbcnews.com

“Researchers found that men who took sildenafil, best known as Viagra, were about 84 percent more likely to develop melanoma than men who didn’t take the drug.

“Because it’s just one early study, no one is suggesting that men stop taking Viagra to treat erectile dysfunction, said Dr. Abrar Qureshi, professor and chair of the dermatology department in the Warren Alpert Medical School at Brown University.

(snip)

“Viagra may increase the risk of melanoma because it affects the same genetic pathway that allows the skin cancer to become more invasive, Qureshi said. Those who took the drug weren’t at higher risk of other, less-dangerous skin cancers, such as basal cell or squamous cell cancers.” More

Wow, that’s huge!

122 Mattand  Apr 7, 2014 3:04:32pm

re: #105 palomino

Yeah, right. KT leaving something alone? He’ll be posting about this same issue 5 years from now.

Remember, KT is a guy who thinks the gay rights battles have been won. Despite the fact that 33 states don’t have marriage equality and 39 states don’t have laws to protect gay employees from being arbitrarily fired. On Planet KT, that’s victory. You’re not dealing with a rational person.

Jesus Christ, we (and by “we”, I mean “One poster who keeps demonstrating that libertarianism is ultimately a stupid set of ideals to live by”) are still having this “conversation”?

123 dog philosopher  Apr 7, 2014 3:05:04pm

re: #114 thedopefishlives

I walk in and everybody leaves. Was it something I said? *sniffs armpits*

my armpits have to check with me before opening their mouths

124 GeneJockey  Apr 7, 2014 3:05:42pm

re: #114 thedopefishlives

I walk in and everybody leaves. Was it something I said? *sniffs armpits*

You know what Ben Franklin said about Dopefish and visitors…

125 Mattand  Apr 7, 2014 3:07:20pm

re: #105 palomino

Your assessment is spot on, by the way.

126 freetoken  Apr 7, 2014 3:07:47pm

re: #116 Charles Johnson

Just getting things ready for a mobile version. It’s back to normal now.

Thanks. Reloaded - they’re back in bed together.

127 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2014 3:10:55pm

MrBWS’s ancient XP laptop is apparently in its death throes.
Just bought him a new one via the LGF Amazon Associates linkie.
(Sorry Charles, hubby is mostly computer illiterate and I’m very frugal, so I didn’t spend much, but hope there’s still a tidy bit of change in the tip jar for the cause.)

128 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 7, 2014 3:11:12pm

re: #110 Justanotherhuman

In other news…

Adding to my cast iron collection, I found this little Lodge pre-seasoned 5” beauty, just perfect for grilled cheese sandwiches, etc or 1 egg for $5 at Wallyworld (I always check the clearance stuff. Lodge’s MSRP is $15. W is about the only place to shop around here without running your legs off trying to find other stores to get everything you need. And once in a while you luck up with a decent product like Lodge.

Image: L5WS3.jpg

Cool Beans. I’ve got a 12 inch and 10 inch skillets, a dutch oven and a grill pan. There are somethings that cast iron are so good at. I bake almost all my round loafs of bread in the dutch oven. Lid on for 20 minutes to create a moist environment, then lid off so it can brown up.

Back in a few, got to start some bread working…

RBS

129 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2014 3:11:24pm

WTF is this shit? Grrrrrr!

House Ways and Means Committee announces Wednesday markup of ‘possible criminal prosecution for violations of 1 or more criminal statutes’ for former IRS official Lois Lerner - @ChadPergram
end of alert

Oh yeah, Dave Camp isn’t running again. He actually thinks he can get away with this?

130 Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2014 3:12:28pm

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

MrBWS’s ancient XP laptop is apparently in its death throes.
Just bought him a new one via the LGF Amazon Associates linkie.
(Sorry Charles, hubby is mostly computer illiterate and I’m very frugal, so I didn’t spend much, but hope there’s still a tidy bit of change in the tip jar for the cause.)

Thanks very much!

131 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2014 3:13:37pm

re: #130 Charles Johnson

Thanks very much!

You are more than welcome. I’m just glad I remembered the Associates link before I went shopping and started spending money.

132 CuriousLurker  Apr 7, 2014 3:15:13pm

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

Gah, I spend a decent chunk of change at Amazon every month, but unfortunately about 90% of the time I forget to use the LGF link.

133 Mattand  Apr 7, 2014 3:18:41pm

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

MrBWS’s ancient XP laptop is apparently in its death throes.
Just bought him a new one via the LGF Amazon Associates linkie.
(Sorry Charles, hubby is mostly computer illiterate and I’m very frugal, so I didn’t spend much, but hope there’s still a tidy bit of change in the tip jar for the cause.)

Finally convinced my dad to give up his nearly decade old XP laptop in favor of the latest iMac.

Let me just say that the built-in remote access makes troubleshooting much easier to deal with. The need to travel over there just for tech support just got cut about 85%.

134 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2014 3:19:05pm

re: #132 CuriousLurker

Gah, I spend a decent chunk of change at Amazon every month, but unfortunately about 90% of the time I forget to use the LGF link.

That usually happens to me.
If I could just figure out how to link MrBWS’s Kindle purchases to LGF Associates, Charles could make a freakin mint.

135 Sionainn  Apr 7, 2014 3:20:44pm

re: #134 Backwoods_Sleuth

That usually happens to me.
If I could just figure out how to link MrBWS’s Kindle purchases to LGF Associates, Charles could make a freakin mint.

Yeah, I’m wondering if there is some way to do that because we order a bunch of stuff on Amazon and I forget about doing it through LGF.

136 Killgore Trout  Apr 7, 2014 3:20:55pm

re: #129 Justanotherhuman

WTF is this shit? Grrrrrr!

House Ways and Means Committee announces Wednesday markup of ‘possible criminal prosecution for violations of 1 or more criminal statutes’ for former IRS official Lois Lerner - @ChadPergram
end of alert

Oh yeah, Dave Camp isn’t running again. He actually thinks he can get away with this?

House Panel Set to Refer Lerner Case to Justice Department

Despite all the outcry, the ultimate significance of these steps is in doubt. DOJ officials already have indicated they are skeptical that any criminal charges will result from the IRS controversy, which erupted almost a year ago. IRS officials admitted that they had improperly singled out conservative tea-party groups for special burdensome scrutiny as they sought tax-exempt status.

Even the ultimate impact of a contempt citation remains unclear. Attorney General Eric Holder himself was held in contempt of Congress in 2012 by the GOP-run House over the botched Fast and Furious gun-trafficking operation.

It has to go through the DoJ so it’s unlikely anything is going to become of it

137 goddamnedfrank  Apr 7, 2014 3:21:30pm

re: #133 Mattand

Finally convinced my dad to give up his nearly decade old XP laptop in favor of the latest iMac.

Let me just say that the built-in remote access makes troubleshooting much easier to deal with. The need to travel over there just for tech support just got cut about 85%.

Me too, only my Dad’s was an old XP tower system. Now I’m looking for a trebuchet.

138 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2014 3:21:33pm

For no particular reason, I give you all this that I saw on FB this morning.

oops….

139 CuriousLurker  Apr 7, 2014 3:21:53pm

re: #134 Backwoods_Sleuth

That usually happens to me.
If I could just figure out how to link MrBWS’s Kindle purchases to LGF Associates, Charles could make a freakin mint.

I was just thinking the same thing. It would be great for their associates if customers could choose one to link all their orders to. It’s easy to forget, but if there were some kind of option at checkout…

140 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 7, 2014 3:28:54pm

WTF

141 freetoken  Apr 7, 2014 3:29:50pm

More very bad reporting about more very bad TV:

Oops: Scientists sequence DNA and find Hitler mistakenly married a Jew hours before he died

A British documentary that will air on Wednesday night claims to have DNA evidence that suggests Adolf Hitler unknowingly married a Jewish woman as one of his final acts before his death.

According to experts, strong circumstantial evidence suggests that a hair sample provided to the Channel 4 show Dead Famous DNA by relatives of a U.S. Army officer probably belong to Hitler’s wife, Eva Braun. The hair was found on a brush inside a cosmetics case with the initials E.B. that was taken from Braun’s apartment.

However, Channel 4 was not able to obtain a DNA sample from Braun’s living relative to authenticate the sample.

By sequencing the hypervariable region of the mitochondrial DNA, scientist found a genome within the mitochondria of the cell that is associated with Ashkenazi Jews. The cell is passed down from mother to daughter over generations.

[…]

Gaahhh…

As the phrase goes, this is not even wrong.

The bad TV is the “Dead Famous DNA” which, as indicated by them declaring a result without a control (i.e., actual mtDNA from Braun’s maternal line), is crap.

However, the RawStory writer David Edwards demonstrates his ignorance in paragraph I put in bold.

It’s not even wrong.

“… found a genome within the mitochondria ” - no. They are not looking at a “genome within the mitochondria” - they are testing a few spots within the ring-like structure of mitochondria DNA, that have mutated over the past few thousands of years, enough to indicate a very, very coarse level of ancestry.

“The cell is passed down from mother to daughter over generations” - no. The mitochondria is not a “cell” (and hasn’t been on its own in a billion years), and they exist within eukaryotic cells. Most of our cells have hundreds to thousands of them. The mitochondria are passed down from the mother because ova include a high number of mitochondria and the spermatozoa very few, which don’t make it inside (with possible rare exceptions.)

“…associated with Ashkenazi Jews. ” But, that does not make Braun (even assuming the hair came from her) Jewish. It is false to believe that all who identify as “Jewish” descend from the same group of people. The mitochondrial haplogroups most often associated with Ashkenazim are also found among those who have no known connection to Jewry either old or contemporary.

142 Mattand  Apr 7, 2014 3:30:24pm

re: #137 goddamnedfrank

Me too, only my Dad’s was an old XP tower system. Now I’m looking for a trebuchet.

I’m probably going to install some form of Linux on it and see how it works. The monitor has been acting up for years, so I’m not sure how much longer it is for this world.

I’m hearing mixed messages about tomorrow’s XPocalypse, but he’s already been bit twice by online scams. Him running a non-supported Microsoft OS just makes that scenario a thousand times worse.

143 Dave In Austin  Apr 7, 2014 3:30:51pm

RAW……. Rethug Style

Youtube Video

144 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 7, 2014 3:34:09pm

WTFITS I just can’t even.

145 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2014 3:34:21pm

re: #141 freetoken

I’ve had the inexpensive 23&Me DNA testing and I also have that particular gene. So do a bazillion other people, Jews and non-Jews, but what difference does it make?

gah…

146 GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 7, 2014 3:34:36pm

re: #119 Pie-onist Overlord

This is a “True Patriot”??? I checked this Twitter feed, it’s not a LIBRUL making fun of the Tea Party.
Srsly wingnuts.

[Embedded content]

We did protect this country when we didn’t elect McCain/Palin, Romney/Whoever his running mate was.

147 freetoken  Apr 7, 2014 3:34:50pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s NOT A “GENE

148 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 7, 2014 3:34:52pm

HURR HURR!!!! PUBLIC EMPLOYEES SHOULD WORK FOR FREES!!!! THEY IS ARE PROPERTIES!!!!!!

149 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2014 3:35:14pm

re: #147 freetoken

It’s NOT A “GENE

But is it a tumah?

//

150 freetoken  Apr 7, 2014 3:35:31pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

There are NO JEWISH GENES!!!!!!!!!!!

151 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2014 3:35:48pm

re: #147 freetoken

It’s NOT A “GENE

I know that. I was rather inelegant in making my comment.

152 Decatur Deb  Apr 7, 2014 3:36:12pm

re: #150 freetoken

There are NO JEWISH GENES!!!!!!!!!!!

Gene Wilder?

153 freetoken  Apr 7, 2014 3:36:13pm

Sometimes I just need to shout.

Please don’t take it personally.

154 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2014 3:37:45pm

re: #153 freetoken

Sometimes I just need to shout.

Please don’t take it personally.

Sorry for using the wrong term, but I’m tired and couldn’t think of what it’s called (a marker, maybe?) “Gene” was just lazy easy.

155 freetoken  Apr 7, 2014 3:37:48pm

I guess one reason stories like that push my buttons is demonstrated by the comments in that RawStory article.

Ignorant people saying/writing ignorant things.

156 jaunte  Apr 7, 2014 3:40:33pm

re: #144 Pie-onist Overlord

Everyone should obey FDR’s authority,
as long as he agrees with my current POV!!!

157 Dave In Austin  Apr 7, 2014 3:41:15pm
158 dog philosopher  Apr 7, 2014 3:41:26pm

i’m organizing my closet so that i don’t mix up the signed shorts with the unsigned shorts

159 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 7, 2014 3:42:38pm

re: #149 Targetpractice

But is it a tumah?

//

I don’t know… did it take stiffy pills?

RBS

160 Dark_Falcon  Apr 7, 2014 3:43:05pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

There’s some kind of loosely organized campaign by Greenwald cultists to harass John Schindler and anyone who communicates with him on Twitter.

21st century stalking.

Someone please show that to Killgore. He needs a reminder of what intolerance really looks like.

161 goddamnedfrank  Apr 7, 2014 3:43:18pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

Nope, people don’t like being controlled. I’m glad more people are speaking out.

You’ve never attempted to explain what fundamentally separates anti-gay sentiment from outright racism, why pushing back against the former through voluntary boycotts produces a chilling effect.

During the height of the civil rights struggle in the 1950’s and 60’s plenty of racists wrapped up their animus in religious teachings. Same during slavery and reconstruction, when white pastors read their congregations the passage imploring slaves to obey their masters.

Personally I think you’re just kind of a sniveling bitch, who’s sole reason for defending the rights of anti-gay bigots so vociferously is the fact that progress on the issue has been delayed until now.

162 GeneJockey  Apr 7, 2014 3:43:19pm

re: #138 Backwoods_Sleuth

For no particular reason, I give you all this that I saw on FB this morning.

oops….

‘In his previous life, this cat always seemed bored.’

163 GeneJockey  Apr 7, 2014 3:43:49pm

re: #150 freetoken

There are NO JEWISH GENES!!!!!!!!!!!

What about Eugene Levy?

164 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2014 3:45:46pm

re: #163 GeneJockey

What about Eugene Levy?

does he wear mom jeans?

165 bratwurst  Apr 7, 2014 3:46:08pm
166 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 7, 2014 3:46:45pm

re: #137 goddamnedfrank

Me too, only my Dad’s was an old XP tower system. Now I’m looking for a trebuchet.

worthpoint.com

Like this?

167 GeneJockey  Apr 7, 2014 3:47:02pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

does he wear mom jeans?

A lot of folks look at my nic and call me ‘Gene’, as if I were a short guy named Eugene who rides horses.

168 Decatur Deb  Apr 7, 2014 3:47:25pm

re: #21 Romantic Heretic

Of course there’s a point, besides the one on the top of our heads. Pictures like these show that libtards are stupid, evil and obsessed with sex.

We are none of those things.

I am not stupid or evil.

169 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2014 3:47:31pm
170 klys  Apr 7, 2014 3:47:37pm

re: #158 dog philosopher

i’m organizing my closet so that i don’t mix up the signed shorts with the unsigned shorts

I LOLed.

In other news, my desk is much cleaner. I wonder how long the scanner’s been unplugged though.

171 thedopefishlives  Apr 7, 2014 3:48:52pm

re: #158 dog philosopher

i’m organizing my closet so that i don’t mix up the signed shorts with the unsigned shorts

*WHACK!*

172 freetoken  Apr 7, 2014 3:49:02pm

Creationism and the contemporary GOP, like hands and gloves:

This GOP House Candidate Is Running for Office So His Daughter Won’t Have to Learn About Evolution

[…]

He also called for more religious freedoms. He repeated his story about his daughter returning home from school because evolution was being taught in her class. He said the teacher admitted to not believing in the scientific theory to his daughter but told her that the government forced him to teach the lesson.

“We should decide what is taught in our schools, not Washington D.C.,” Miller said.

Miller has declined to provide any more information to verify his story.

[…]

173 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 7, 2014 3:49:47pm
174 freetoken  Apr 7, 2014 3:51:10pm

re: #173 NJDhockeyfan

I see two thought Ukraine was near Perth.

175 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2014 3:51:30pm

re: #172 freetoken

Creationism and the contemporary GOP, like hands and gloves:

This GOP House Candidate Is Running for Office So His Daughter Won’t Have to Learn About Evolution

“We”? What’s this “we” business?

176 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2014 3:52:15pm

re: #142 Mattand

I’m probably going to install some form of Linux on it and see how it works. The monitor has been acting up for years, so I’m not sure how much longer it is for this world.

I’m hearing mixed messages about tomorrow’s XPocalypse, but he’s already been bit twice by online scams. Him running a non-supported Microsoft OS just makes that scenario a thousand times worse.

That’s OK; I’m on XP as well but I’m not going to sweat it. I’ll get my grandson to build me a new tower and install Windows 7. I just don’t like laptops.

177 b.d.  Apr 7, 2014 3:52:27pm

re: #173 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]

So most of us got it right.

178 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 7, 2014 3:52:29pm

re: #174 freetoken

I see two thought Ukraine was near Perth.

CNN anchors?

179 Kragar  Apr 7, 2014 3:53:06pm

re: #172 freetoken

This is what lay people refer to as bullshit

180 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2014 3:53:27pm

re: #173 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]

That’s fucking sad.

181 Decatur Deb  Apr 7, 2014 3:54:34pm

re: #174 freetoken

I see two thought Ukraine was near Perth.

They were confused by Bizet’s “Fair Maidan of Perth”.

182 Killgore Trout  Apr 7, 2014 3:54:50pm

re: #173 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]

Ya gotta admire the folks that picked Missouri.

183 b.d.  Apr 7, 2014 3:56:25pm

re: #182 Killgore Trout

Ya gotta admire the folks that picked Missouri.

Little Kiev is right by Hannibal

184 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2014 3:56:41pm

re: #173 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]

The less Americans know about Ukraine’s location, the more they want U.S. to intervene

washingtonpost.com

185 sattv4u2  Apr 7, 2014 3:57:03pm

re: #174 freetoken

I see two thought Ukraine was near Perth.

Least they’re in the right neighborhood

There;s one dot out in the Atlantic off the coast of the Carolinas!!!

186 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2014 3:57:13pm

re: #157 Dave In Austin

[Embedded content]

I’m confused, is he asking for forgiveness from his constituents or his wife? Because he doesn’t have to worry about his constituents throwing his ass out the front door or tossing his shit out on the front lawn.

187 Dark_Falcon  Apr 7, 2014 3:57:39pm

This one is for Bratwurst and all others who live in Illinois and oppose gerrymandering:

Illinois Independent Redistricting Amendment

The Illinois Constitution currently specifies that the General Assembly draws the state Senate and House Districts after every Census. If that process fails, a legislatively appointed commission creates the maps.

The Illinois Independent Redistricting Amendment would establish an 11-member Independent Redistricting Commission to draw the maps. The new structure and process builds on the most effective, fair redistricting systems in other states, tailored to the unique politics and legal requirements of Illinois.

Under the proposed amendment, the independent Commission would draw district boundaries using the following criteria:

Contiguous, substantially equal in population, and in compliance with federal laws
Not drawn to dilute or diminish the ability of a racial or language minority community to elect the candidates of its choice

Respecting the geographic integrity of cities, towns, and other units of local government
Respecting the geographic integrity of communities sharing common social and economic interests
Not drawn to purposefully or significantly discriminate against or favor any political party or group, and not considering the residence of any person

The Commission would hold public hearings throughout the state both before and after it releases its draft maps. The process would be extraordinarily transparent: All Commission records and communications between Commissioners will be open for public inspection, and all Commission meetings will be open to the public and publicly noticed at least two days ahead of time.

188 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 7, 2014 4:00:07pm
189 goddamnedfrank  Apr 7, 2014 4:00:13pm
The Alabama House of Representatives has passed a resolution calling for an amendment to the US constitution to ban same-sex marriage.

The House approved the resolution yesterday, submitted by independent representative Richard Laird.

The resolution calls marriage “a sacred covenant, solemnized between a man and a woman”, and urges for a change to the US constitution.

It goes on to say that the Supreme Court “officially severed its respect for marriage” when it last year struck down the Defence of Marriage Act, which had banned recognition of same-sex marriage federally.

I’ve yet to hear a compelling argument for why shit like this should be considered a legitimate political position in the modern era. These people are expressly rebelling against the rule of law in order to try and strip an entire class of citizen of their civil rights and equality.

Fuck.them. There is zero obligation on supporters of equality to condone this bullshit by remaining silent in its face. Boycotting the assholes and the people who support them is the free exercise of voluntary free association. Only a **** would view this an exercising undue control over people.

190 klys  Apr 7, 2014 4:00:23pm

Youtube Video

191 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2014 4:01:00pm

dumbasses…

192 Romantic Heretic  Apr 7, 2014 4:01:35pm

re: #40 dog philosopher

check out this video which demonstrates how stupid people can use rhetorical tactics to make smart people look stupid

how an engineer feels when surrounded by idiots

I watched about a minute and a half of that and then had a flashback to my programming days.

Luckily for me, despair is now an emotion I’m comfortable with.

193 Romantic Heretic  Apr 7, 2014 4:02:33pm

re: #46 Pie-onist Overlord

BOW TO YOUR TAXPAYING OVERLORD, OR THERE WILL BE NO PIE!

Ha! I’m Canadian so I don’t have to do any bowing, or scraping. Your taxes mean nothing, nothing to me!

//

194 sattv4u2  Apr 7, 2014 4:03:40pm

re: #191 Backwoods_Sleuth

dumbasses…

[Embedded content]

When we were kids we picked up a VW bug and left it on the ladies front porch!!

((I’m sure the statute of limitations has run out by now)))

195 ObserverArt  Apr 7, 2014 4:04:24pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

Nope, people don’t like being controlled. I’m glad more people are speaking out.

Hmmm. Seems you had a hell of a big problem with the people that were part of OWS who don’t like being controlled by 1%ers like the bullying Koch brothers.

They too wanted to speak out and you wanted them pepper sprayed.

How many people lost their jobs with the bailouts of wall street any way? What about the entire country being bullied by 47%Mitt?

196 GeneJockey  Apr 7, 2014 4:04:34pm

re: #183 b.d.

Little Kiev is right by Hannibal

I thought ‘Little Kiev’ was the room where we did radioiodinations at Genentech in the 1980s.

197 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2014 4:05:23pm

re: #194 sattv4u2

When we were kids we picked up a VW bug and left it on the ladies front porch!!

((I’m sure the statute of limitations has run out by now)))

My brother and some “friends” did something similar to my Honda Civic way back in the day.
I beat the living shit out of all of them.

Figuratively, of course…

198 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 7, 2014 4:06:04pm

re: #184 Justanotherhuman

The less Americans know about Ukraine’s location, the more they want U.S. to intervene

washingtonpost.com

Did they stop teaching geography in school?

Survey respondents identified Ukraine by clicking on a high-resolution world map, shown above. We then created a distance metric by comparing the coordinates they provided with the actual location of Ukraine on the map. Other scholars, such as Markus Prior, have used pictures to measure visual knowledge, but unlike many of the traditional open-ended items political scientists use to measure knowledge, distance enables us to measure accuracy continuously: People who believe Ukraine is in Eastern Europe clearly are more informed than those who believe it is in Brazil or in the Indian Ocean.

About one in six (16 percent) Americans correctly located Ukraine, clicking somewhere within its borders. Most thought that Ukraine was located somewhere in Europe or Asia, but the median respondent was about 1,800 miles off — roughly the distance from Chicago to Los Angeles — locating Ukraine somewhere in an area bordered by Portugal on the west, Sudan on the south, Kazakhstan on the east, and Finland on the north.

199 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2014 4:06:57pm

re: #198 NJDhockeyfan

Are they stop teaching geography in school?

Is it in the Bible?
Then, it’s not relevant.

//

200 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2014 4:07:02pm

re: #191 Backwoods_Sleuth

dumbasses…

[Embedded content]

I would smite them with a righteous fury if it were my car. : ) Park the damn thing where there’s a CCTV cam.

201 Dark_Falcon  Apr 7, 2014 4:08:13pm

re: #188 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]

There were actually two teams of Budweiser Clydesdales in action that day. The second was in New York City and it delivered beer to Al Smith, the former governor of New york state who lost the 1928 presidential election opposing Prohibition.

In Saint Louis the celebration of the resumption of legal beer production had started at midnight Central Time and had gone on for hours. The same was true in Chicago and Milwaukee. Owing to the likelihood of employees having been out late and now being hung over, many employers in those cities only required their workers to be at work by their normal time returning from lunch.

202 freetoken  Apr 7, 2014 4:08:16pm

re: #198 NJDhockeyfan

…. more informed than those who believe it is in Brazil or in the Indian Ocean.

Aha! So Ukraine is where the missing plane went.

203 GeneJockey  Apr 7, 2014 4:08:20pm

re: #200 Justanotherhuman

I would smite them with a righteous fury if it were my car. : ) Park the damn thing where there’s a CCTV cam.

This is why crowds of teenage boys larger than one should be prohibited.

204 GeneJockey  Apr 7, 2014 4:09:52pm

re: #191 Backwoods_Sleuth

dumbasses…

[Embedded content]

I had been thinking about a Fiat 500 Abarth for my next car. Maybe I’ll go with a Chrysler 300 instead. Let’s see them fuckers try and tip THAT!!!

205 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 7, 2014 4:10:25pm

re: #194 sattv4u2

When we were kids we picked up a VW bug and left it on the ladies front porch!!

((I’m sure the statute of limitations has run out by now)))

Some kids picked up the coach’s beetle and put it in between 2 trees that gave him about 1/2 inch of room clearance between the trees and his bumpers. He wasn’t happy.

206 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 7, 2014 4:11:10pm

re: #192 Romantic Heretic

I watched about a minute and a half of that and then had a flashback to my programming days.

Luckily for me, despair is now an emotion I’m comfortable with.

That is SO close to how I almost got fired, for telling our GM that the training he had sold simply wasn’t possible to do given the constraints and requirements given. I found out that he didn’t like the idea of “NO”, and that it wasn’t going to be the first time that a sale was made before anybody could do a sanity-check on it.

RBS

207 dog philosopher  Apr 7, 2014 4:12:19pm

re: #205 NJDhockeyfan

Some kids picked up the coach’s beetle and put it in between 2 trees that gave him about 1/2 inch of room clearance between the trees and his bumpers. He wasn’t happy.

there was a legend in my college that back in the 20s some students dismantled a model t and reassembled it in the dean’s office

208 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 7, 2014 4:14:03pm

re: #207 dog philosopher

there was a legend in my college that back in the 20s some students dismantled a model t and reassembled it in the dean’s office

Heh. I’ve heard that one before.

209 dog philosopher  Apr 7, 2014 4:14:36pm

re: #192 Romantic Heretic

I watched about a minute and a half of that and then had a flashback to my programming days.

Luckily for me, despair is now an emotion I’m comfortable with.

the video is apparently supposed to be humorous

i found it depressingly familiar

210 freetoken  Apr 7, 2014 4:14:38pm

The tyranny of ghey nazism oppressing South Carolina… or not:

Youtube Video

211 GeneJockey  Apr 7, 2014 4:17:33pm

re: #192 Romantic Heretic

I watched about a minute and a half of that and then had a flashback to my programming days.

Luckily for me, despair is now an emotion I’m comfortable with.

I’m lucky to have two layers of Scientists above me (VPs now, but they trained as Scientists). My boss’s boss asked me how long it would take to do some task if we started today, and I said 8 months. He asked if we could speed it up with more resources. I told him with more resources I couldn’t do if faster, but I could do it more. He understood.

212 freetoken  Apr 7, 2014 4:18:21pm

Since we’re pimping RawStory articles, this one made my head hurt:

‘Star Trek’ actress lends her gravitas to film promoting idea that sun revolves around Earth

The trailer is from last December, so I’m not sure why it has bubbled up to the top of the stack now.

213 GeneJockey  Apr 7, 2014 4:19:11pm

re: #209 dog philosopher

the video is apparently supposed to be humorous

i found it depressingly familiar

For some reason, I thought of Star Trek 3…

“Genesis planet? Is forbidden! Takes permits, many! Money, more!”

“Permits? How can you get a permit to do a damned illegal thing!”

214 thedopefishlives  Apr 7, 2014 4:19:14pm

Well, there’s two hours of my life that I’ll never get back. Still, it’s good to work hard on all my assignments right before I have a one-on-one meeting with the big boss.

215 CuriousLurker  Apr 7, 2014 4:19:28pm

re: #139 CuriousLurker

Revisiting the topic of Amazon, earlier today the UPS guy delivered this life-size mannequin head that I ordered from Amazon last week so I could try my hand at making some papier-mâché masks.

When I pulled it out of the box, the feline overlords freaked out. Their expressions were priceless: WTF is that?? Where’s the body? WHY DOESN’T IT HAVE A FUCKING BODY?! THAT IS SO WRONG. PUT IT AWAYYYY11!!!1

So the scary disembodied head is now safely out of sight in the closet. *facepalm*

216 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2014 4:19:52pm

re: #192 Romantic Heretic

I watched about a minute and a half of that and then had a flashback to my programming days.

Luckily for me, despair is now an emotion I’m comfortable with.

That video shows why I never wanted to get into management. I tend to zero right in on problems and want to get them out of the way ASAP, and will take care of things myself, instead of putting up with hours of bullshit. I’ve been in dept meetings that were like that video and it was sheer hell and a huge waste of time.

You would not want me to be your manager. : )

217 ObserverArt  Apr 7, 2014 4:19:55pm

re: #197 Backwoods_Sleuth

My brother and some “friends” did something similar to my Honda Civic way back in the day.
I beat the living shit out of all of them.

Figuratively, of course…

I remember some high school guys at our Catholic school system (I was in 7th grade) who took one of the teaches VW Bug and put it up on two trash barrels out on the school playground. He had to gather up some other teachers and school staff to help him get it down after school to go home.

218 b.d.  Apr 7, 2014 4:22:39pm

re: #212 freetoken

Since we’re pimping RawStory articles, this one made my head hurt:

‘Star Trek’ actress lends her gravitas to film promoting idea that sun revolves around Earth

The trailer is from last December, so I’m not sure why it has bubbled up to the top of the stack now.

oh my

About one in four Americans believe in geocentrism, which places the Earth at the center of the universe and the sun, planets, and stars revolving around it.

219 ObserverArt  Apr 7, 2014 4:23:39pm

re: #198 NJDhockeyfan

Did they stop teaching geography in school?

Why would a good home-schooled Christian parent protecting their kids from ungodly science teach a kid the location of Ukrain? They only concentrate on the real important stuff like Jesus riding dinosaurs!

220 GeneJockey  Apr 7, 2014 4:24:59pm

re: #218 b.d.

oh my

The thing is, since everything is in motion relative to everything else, that almost makes sense.

221 Romantic Heretic  Apr 7, 2014 4:25:30pm

re: #216 Justanotherhuman

That video shows why I never wanted to get into management. I tend to zero right in on problems and want to get them out of the way ASAP, and will take care of things myself, instead of putting up with hours of bullshit. I’ve been in dept meetings that were like that video and it was sheer hell and a huge waste of time.

You would not want me to be your manager. : )

Actually, I’d like you since I have a low tolerance for bullshit as well.

Even reminding myself that most meeting are not for business purposes but domination/submission rituals and could be watched with amusement didn’t help. All the time I’d be thinking, “Jesus Christ. I could be working!”

222 Varek Raith  Apr 7, 2014 4:25:58pm

re: #212 freetoken

Since we’re pimping RawStory articles, this one made my head hurt:

‘Star Trek’ actress lends her gravitas to film promoting idea that sun revolves around Earth

The trailer is from last December, so I’m not sure why it has bubbled up to the top of the stack now.

WHAT

223 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 7, 2014 4:26:00pm

re: #160 Dark_Falcon

Someone please show that to Killgore. He needs a reminder of what intolerance really looks like.

Won’t make any more difference that it would to those shrieking about “Obama’s tyranny”. He’s stopped being willing to think on the matter, I fear.

224 freetoken  Apr 7, 2014 4:26:19pm

re: #218 b.d.

Well, that’s RawStory for you.

The “center of the universe” is not a bad belief, as everywhere can be, and is, the ‘center’ of the universe.

But it’s the revolution of the sun and planets that is the problem.

225 Dark_Falcon  Apr 7, 2014 4:26:40pm

re: #213 GeneJockey

For some reason, I thought of Star Trek 3…

“Genesis planet? Is forbidden! Takes permits, many! Money, more!”

“Permits? How can you get a permit to do a damned illegal thing!”

“Anything is possible in Chicago if you’ve got enough clout!”

/Not kidding

226 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 7, 2014 4:26:46pm

re: #215 CuriousLurker

Revisiting the topic of Amazon, earlier today the UPS guy delivered this life-size mannequin head that I ordered from Amazon last week so I could try my hand at making some papier-mâché masks.

When I pulled it out of the box, the feline overlords freaked out. Their expressions were priceless: WTF is that?? Where’s the body? WHY DOESN’T IT HAVE A FUCKING BODY?! THAT IS SO WRONG. PUT IT AWAYYYY11!!!1

So the scary disembodied head is now safely out of sight in the closet. *facepalm*

ROFLMAO. The worst part is that it could start to give them ideas.

In any case, thanks for posting that… I may get one to practice doing photo lighting setups.

RBS

227 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 7, 2014 4:28:04pm

re: #158 dog philosopher

i’m organizing my closet so that i don’t mix up the signed shorts with the unsigned shorts

Better keep your floating pants out of there too.

228 GeneJockey  Apr 7, 2014 4:28:49pm

re: #224 freetoken

Well, that’s RawStory for you.

The “center of the universe” is not a bad belief, as everywhere can be, and is, the ‘center’ of the universe.

But it’s the revolution of the sun and planets that is the problem.

“Just remember that you’re standing on a planet that’s evolving, and revolving at 900 miles.

“And orbiting at 50 miles a second, so it’s reckoned, the sun which is the source of all out power…”

(Numbers may be off)

229 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2014 4:29:30pm

re: #218 b.d.

oh my

Mulgrew is also a Catholic and doesn’t believe in abortion.

lifesitenews.com

230 Dark_Falcon  Apr 7, 2014 4:29:42pm

re: #223 William Barnett-Lewis

Make sure you check out my #187, too.

231 thedopefishlives  Apr 7, 2014 4:30:19pm

re: #225 Dark_Falcon

“Anything is possible in Chicago if you’ve got enough clout!”

/Not kidding

Ah, Chicago, the Windy City. Vote early, vote often. I got so jaded by the stories of corruption coming out of that slimehole that I find it more noteworthy when someone does something NOT corrupt.

232 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 7, 2014 4:30:59pm

re: #219 ObserverArt

Why would a good home-schooled Christian parent protecting their kids from ungodly science teach a kid the location of Ukrain? They only concentrate on the real important stuff like Jesus riding dinosaurs!

The article doesn’t mention home schooling. I would say the vast majority of the respondents went to public school…

On March 28-31, 2014, we asked a national sample of 2,066 Americans (fielded via Survey Sampling International Inc. (SSI), what action they wanted the U.S. to take in Ukraine, but with a twist: In addition to measuring standard demographic characteristics and general foreign policy attitudes, we also asked our survey respondents to locate Ukraine on a map as part of a larger, ongoing project to study foreign policy knowledge. We wanted to see where Americans think Ukraine is and to learn if this knowledge (or lack thereof) is related to their foreign policy views. We found that only one out of six Americans can find Ukraine on a map, and that this lack of knowledge is related to preferences: The farther their guesses were from Ukraine’s actual location, the more they wanted the U.S

233 Bear  Apr 7, 2014 4:31:35pm

re: #219 ObserverArt

I thought it was Alley Oop that rides on Dinny the dinosaur.

234 Dark_Falcon  Apr 7, 2014 4:32:35pm

re: #229 Justanotherhuman

Mulgrew is also a Catholic and doesn’t believe in abortion.

lifesitenews.com

That makes her even dumber, since the Catholic Church has accepted the idea of a heliocentric solar system for decades now. Even Opus Dei has no problem with that concept.

235 b.d.  Apr 7, 2014 4:35:34pm
236 EPR-radar  Apr 7, 2014 4:36:24pm

re: #40 dog philosopher

check out this video which demonstrates how stupid people can use rhetorical tactics to make smart people look stupid

how an engineer feels when surrounded by idiots

In the comments for that video, there was actually someone arguing that the Engineer was as much of a target for parody in that video as the others. (Can’t tell if these comments were sincere or a parody.)

Apparently, people asking for the impossible aren’t supposed to be told “no”.

237 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 7, 2014 4:37:02pm

re: #187 Dark_Falcon

This one is for Bratwurst and all others who live in Illinois and oppose gerrymandering:

Illinois Independent Redistricting Amendment

Hope they pull it off and we can follow their path.

238 Dark_Falcon  Apr 7, 2014 4:37:41pm

re: #231 thedopefishlives

Ah, Chicago, the Windy City. Vote early, vote often. I got so jaded by the stories of corruption coming out of that slimehole that I find it more noteworthy when someone does something NOT corrupt.

Chicago isn’t a slimehole, its just the politics which are slimy. And despite that Chicago’s city government is ultimately functional, even if its corrupt. and that gives Chicago a critical advantage. The governmental problems in New Orleans prior to and during Hurricane Katrina, for example, saw corruption compounded by a mixture of sloth and incompetence which left the Crescent City unable to tighten up in a dire emergency.

239 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 7, 2014 4:37:46pm

I can always tell when a wingnut has been saving up talking points, waiting, just waiting for a “Libturd”

240 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 7, 2014 4:38:18pm

re: #236 EPR-radar

In the comments for that video, there was actually someone arguing that the Engineer was as much of a target for parody in that video as the others. (Can’t tell if these comments were sincere or a parody.)

Apparently, people asking for the impossible aren’t supposed to be told “no”.

I’m drawing the line right here. And I want it drawn like a kitten.

RBS

241 CuriousLurker  Apr 7, 2014 4:39:03pm

re: #226 RealityBasedSteve

ROFLMAO. The worst part is that it could start to give them ideas.

In any case, thanks for posting that… I may get one to practice doing photo lighting setups.

RBS

Oooh, good idea! I bought my first speedlite back in February and haven’t used it much, so that would be a good thing to practice on.

242 Romantic Heretic  Apr 7, 2014 4:40:38pm

re: #236 EPR-radar

In the comments for that video, there was actually someone arguing that the Engineer was as much of a target for parody in that video as the others. (Can’t tell if these comments were sincere or a parody.)

Apparently, people asking for the impossible aren’t supposed to be told “no”.

It took me years to realize, but many people think that ‘freedom’ is the same as ‘getting your own way all the time no matter how stupid it is.’ So being told ‘no’ is just the first step to tyranny.

I’d love to see a study on the intersection between these types of people and the teahadis.

243 Dark_Falcon  Apr 7, 2014 4:41:13pm

re: #237 William Barnett-Lewis

Hope they pull it off and we can follow their path.

I’ll be signing the petition this week as will my parents.

I can’t claim to be the driving force in my family on this one. It’s my father who found this proposal and has been pushing it.

And I’d like it if Wisconsin adopted this sort of system as well. Gerrymandering is a cancer; Regardless of which party does it, it needs to be ended.

244 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 7, 2014 4:41:21pm

re: #241 CuriousLurker

Oooh, good idea! I bought my first speedlite back in February and haven’t used it much, so that would be a good thing to practice on.

Have you been to the Strobist site? I learned a TON from that.

RBS

245 thedopefishlives  Apr 7, 2014 4:41:32pm

re: #238 Dark_Falcon

Chicago isn’t a slimehole, its just the politics which are slimy. And despite that Chicago’s city government is ultimately functional, even if its corrupt. and that gives Chicago a critical advantage. The governmental problems in New Orleans prior to and during Hurricane Katrina, for example, saw corruption compounded by a mixture of sloth and incompetence which left the Crescent City unable to tighten up in a dire emergency.

I’ve seen the Chicago River, it’s a slimehole.////

(Yes, I know it’s vastly improved from years ago. And even the corruption level in Chicago, albeit legendary for an American city, is nothing on the scale of, say, an Eastern European “democracy”.)

246 Sophist, D.D., DDS, DFH  Apr 7, 2014 4:42:06pm

re: #207 dog philosopher

there was a legend in my college that back in the 20s some students dismantled a model t and reassembled it in the dean’s office

The guy that used to lead us on rock-climbing trips back when I was a Boy Scout told us about how he and his friends did the same thing (not with a Model T, of course) back in the 70s. Given his personality, I’m pretty much 100% sure that actually happened.

247 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 7, 2014 4:43:10pm

As some of you may recall, I mentioned last week that I had put in an application for a custodian’s job at the local “intermediate” school (grades 3 - 5 as a separate building for some reason). Turned in my application on Thursday and the application period closed Friday and this morning (!) I got a call asking me to interview tomorrow morning at 9:30. :D

I find the idea of being a school janitor rather pleasing. Enough money to live decently on, benefits, reasonable hours & plenty of time for my hobbies (shooting guns & cameras ;) So, I’d really like to get this one, so any prayers positive waves and good thoughts any lizard can spare would be gratefully accepted.

248 CuriousLurker  Apr 7, 2014 4:43:17pm

re: #244 RealityBasedSteve

Have you been to the Strobist site? I learned a TON from that.

RBS

No, I haven’t, I’ve gotten most of my photography info from YouTube channels. Thanks!

249 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2014 4:44:47pm

re: #247 William Barnett-Lewis

As some of you may recall, I mentioned last week that I had put in an application for a custodian’s job at the local “intermediate” school (grades 3 - 5 as a separate building for some reason). Turned in my application on Thursday and the application period closed Friday and this morning (!) I got a call asking me to interview tomorrow morning at 9:30. :D

I find the idea of being a school janitor rather pleasing. Enough money to live decently on, benefits, reasonable hours & plenty of time for my hobbies (shooting guns & cameras ;) So, I’d really like to get this one, so any prayers positive waves and good thoughts any lizard can spare would be gratefully accepted.

And why not? Would you get the summer off, too? : )

250 Killgore Trout  Apr 7, 2014 4:44:50pm

OkCupid’s CEO Donated to an Anti-Gay Campaign Once, Too

OkCupid’s co-founder and CEO Sam Yagan once donated to an anti-gay candidate. (Yagan is also CEO of match.com.) Specifically, Yagan donated $500 to Rep. Chris Cannon (R-Utah) in 2004, reports Uncrunched. During his time as congressman from 1997 to 2009, Cannon voted for a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, against a ban on sexual-orientation based job discrimination, and for prohibition of gay adoptions.

He’s also voted for numerous anti-choice measures, earning a 0 percent rating from NARAL Pro Choice America. Among other measures, Cannon voted for laws prohibiting government from denying funds to medical facilities that withhold abortion information, stopping minors from crossing state lines to obtain an abortion, and banning family planning funding in US aid abroad. Cannon also earned a 7 percent rating from the ACLU for his poor civil rights voting record: He voted to amend FISA to allow warrant-less electronic surveillance, to allow NSA intelligence gathering without civil oversight, and to reauthorize the PATRIOT act.

251 sattv4u2  Apr 7, 2014 4:45:29pm

re: #247 William Barnett-Lewis

g’luck

252 EPR-radar  Apr 7, 2014 4:45:36pm

re: #242 Romantic Heretic

It took me years to realize, but many people think that ‘freedom’ is the same as ‘getting your own way all the time no matter how stupid it is.’ So being told ‘no’ is just the first step to tyranny.

I’d love to see a study on the intersection between these types of people and the teahadis.

I think a big part of the problem is that for many things that are important to many people, there really is no objective truth to be had (e.g., religious views, moral precepts, priorities in life, dealing with other people etc. etc.).

That leaves people unprepared to deal with something like the laws of nature where there is objective truth to be had, especially when the news is unpleasant (i.e., climate change or evolution).

253 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2014 4:45:47pm

re: #250 Killgore Trout

OkCupid’s CEO Donated to an Anti-Gay Campaign Once, Too

Oh, FFS.

254 Killgore Trout  Apr 7, 2014 4:46:37pm
the fact that the company helped force out one tech CEO for something its own CEO also did, and its action last week starts to look more like a PR stunt than an impassioned act of protest.
255 Romantic Heretic  Apr 7, 2014 4:47:21pm

re: #207 dog philosopher

there was a legend in my college that back in the 20s some students dismantled a model t and reassembled it in the dean’s office

The probably apocryphal story I heard here in Canada is that some engineering students broke into the Dean’s house and started to assemble a tractor in his living room. Half way through the floor gave way. So they finished assembling it.

The Dean came home to find he had no living room and a tractor in his basement.

256 EPR-radar  Apr 7, 2014 4:47:35pm

re: #250 Killgore Trout

WTFITS. Nobody is suggesting a purge of all republican voters.

257 freetoken  Apr 7, 2014 4:47:55pm

re: #254 Killgore Trout

It’s at this point when I can only ask - Really?

258 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2014 4:48:02pm

re: #254 Killgore Trout

Then start your own protest against Yagan. Send him an angrily-worded letter stating your disapproval but assuring him you won’t take any action that might in any way damage him or his company because you’re against such things.

259 sattv4u2  Apr 7, 2014 4:48:26pm

re: #250 Killgore Trout

The dominoes,,,, they’ll just keep falling!

Must be due to that can o’ worms opened

260 klys  Apr 7, 2014 4:48:31pm

Turns out, desk is not clean enough.

261 Killgore Trout  Apr 7, 2014 4:48:35pm

re: #257 freetoken

It’s at this point when I can only ask - Really?

It seems to be true.

262 Dark_Falcon  Apr 7, 2014 4:49:00pm

re: #250 Killgore Trout

Your Logical Fallacy Is: Tu Quoque

You avoided having to engage with criticism by turning it back on the accuser - you answered criticism with criticism.

Pronounced too-kwo-kwee. Literally translating as ‘you too’ this fallacy is also known as the appeal to hypocrisy. It is commonly employed as an effective red herring because it takes the heat off someone having to defend their argument, and instead shifts the focus back on to the person making the criticism.

Example: Nicole identified that Hannah had committed a logical fallacy, but instead of addressing the substance of her claim, Hannah accused Nicole of committing a fallacy earlier on in the conversation.

263 freetoken  Apr 7, 2014 4:49:03pm

re: #261 Killgore Trout

It seems to be true.

It’s bordering on silliness.

264 Killgore Trout  Apr 7, 2014 4:49:36pm
(Mother Jones reached out to OkCupid for comment: We’ll update this post if we receive a response.)

Heh

265 ObserverArt  Apr 7, 2014 4:49:44pm

re: #232 NJDhockeyfan

The article doesn’t mention home schooling. I would say the vast majority of the respondents went to public school…

I know…just taking an opportunity to take a poke at religious based home schooling.

By the way…I have to hate the NJ Devils this week to keep them away from the Columbus Blue Jackets! We are so, so close to making the playoffs. Keeping NJ below them in the points is important. So either NJ loses or Columbus has to keep winning. Sam goes for Washington. Sorry.

; )

266 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 7, 2014 4:49:45pm

re: #249 Justanotherhuman

And why not? Would you get the summer off, too? : )

Nope, that’s when most of the maintenance (painting, repairs, refinishing gym floors, etc) gets done.

267 Stanley Sea  Apr 7, 2014 4:49:52pm

re: #247 William Barnett-Lewis

As some of you may recall, I mentioned last week that I had put in an application for a custodian’s job at the local “intermediate” school (grades 3 - 5 as a separate building for some reason). Turned in my application on Thursday and the application period closed Friday and this morning (!) I got a call asking me to interview tomorrow morning at 9:30. :D

I find the idea of being a school janitor rather pleasing. Enough money to live decently on, benefits, reasonable hours & plenty of time for my hobbies (shooting guns & cameras ;) So, I’d really like to get this one, so any prayers positive waves and good thoughts any lizard can spare would be gratefully accepted.

Will be thinking of you. Get em Mr.B-L (wondering what the kiddos will call you)

268 b.d.  Apr 7, 2014 4:50:17pm

re: #247 William Barnett-Lewis

Good vibes and positive juju being sent in your direction William Barnett-Lewis.

269 Killgore Trout  Apr 7, 2014 4:50:51pm

re: #263 freetoken

It’s bordering on silliness.

I guess there’s no need for the inquisitor to go to confession. It’s just not the way these things work.

270 sattv4u2  Apr 7, 2014 4:51:28pm

re: #266 William Barnett-Lewis

Nope, that’s when most of the maintenance (painting, repairs, refinishing gym floors, etc) gets done.

Yup

For at least one week every summer my son and some of his buddies go back to the grammar school they attended and volunteer their time with whatever projects are going on that summer

271 Dark_Falcon  Apr 7, 2014 4:51:45pm

re: #265 ObserverArt

I’d rather see the Devils advance, ‘cause they’re with Satan and Chris Christie. The Blue Jackets have John Kaisch and Teabaggers wearing tricone hats.

/sorta

272 freetoken  Apr 7, 2014 4:52:39pm

re: #269 Killgore Trout

You’re trying to equate things that are not.

273 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 7, 2014 4:52:51pm

I’m beginning to think Dumbledore needs to go to KT’s house & let the real one out of the trunk he got locked in when OWS started … O_o

274 EPR-radar  Apr 7, 2014 4:52:56pm

re: #250 Killgore Trout

The linked article has at least one big lie. Big surprise.

Of course, it’s been a decade since Yagan’s donation to Cannon, and a decade or more since many of Cannon’s votes on gay rights. It’s possible that Cannon’s opinions have shifted, or maybe his votes were more politics than ideology; a tactic by the Mormon Rep. to satisfy his Utah constituency. It’s also quite possible that Yagan’s politics have changed since 2004: He donated to Barack Obama’s campaign in 2007 and 2008. Perhaps even Firefox’s Eich has rethought LGBT equality since his 2008 donation. But OkCupid didn’t include any such nuance in its take-down of Firefox. Combine that with the fact that the company helped force out one tech CEO for something its own CEO also did , and its action last week starts to look more like a PR stunt than an impassioned act of protest.

275 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 7, 2014 4:53:23pm

re: #247 William Barnett-Lewis

Here’s hoping that there is an oversized keyring on a chain with your name on it.

RBS

276 Killgore Trout  Apr 7, 2014 4:54:27pm

Here’s the Unchrunched article
The Hypocrisy Of Sam Yagan & OkCupid

277 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2014 4:54:47pm

re: #266 William Barnett-Lewis

Nope, that’s when most of the maintenance (painting, repairs, refinishing gym floors, etc) gets done.

Well, of course. Keeping fingers crossed for you! : )

278 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 7, 2014 4:55:29pm

re: #265 ObserverArt

By the way…I have to hate the NJ Devils this week to keep them away from the Columbus Blue Jackets! We are so, so close to making the playoffs. Keeping NJ below them in the points is important. So either NJ loses or Columbus has to keep winning. Sam goes for Washington. Sorry.

; )

I would love to wish you luck but can’t do it. Go NJ!

279 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2014 4:55:57pm

Christ Almighty, first we had to be sermonized to for not agreeing that we went “too far” in expressing outrage over Eich’s promotion. Then we got told that we were wrong for not seeing a grave danger that his resignation heralded. Now we’ve devolved to “They did it too!” What next, it’s bad because Eich was secretly gay or something?

280 sattv4u2  Apr 7, 2014 4:56:00pm

re: #278 NJDhockeyfan

I would love to wish you luck but can’t do it. Go NJ!

BRUINS!!!

281 Dark_Falcon  Apr 7, 2014 4:56:01pm

re: #269 Killgore Trout

I guess there’s no need for the inquisitor to go to confession. It’s just not the way these things work.

Youtube Video

282 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2014 4:56:16pm

re: #276 Killgore Trout

Here’s the Unchrunched article
The Hypocrisy Of Sam Yagan & OkCupid

I don’t even care anymore. As long as people get the rights to which they’re entitled. And that’s always going to be a fight, tech entrepreneurs or not.

283 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Apr 7, 2014 4:56:19pm

re: #191 Backwoods_Sleuth

dumbasses…

[Embedded content]

I had my Plymouth Horizon tipped one night when I was working for the U. of Illinois in the early ’80s.

Now I own a Smart. I’m getting worried.

284 CuriousLurker  Apr 7, 2014 4:56:23pm

re: #250 Killgore Trout

OkCupid’s CEO Donated to an Anti-Gay Campaign Once, Too

This isn’t news. It was posted on a blog yesterday and tweeted around the same time (and by the same person) as the link to the Mozilla FAQ I posted earlier. The blog post was: The Hypocrisy Of Sam Yagan & OkCupid, which in turn linked to a Salon article from April 4th.

285 Dark_Falcon  Apr 7, 2014 4:57:31pm

re: #280 sattv4u2

>BRUINS!!!

The Bruins, like the Blackhawks, have already locked up a playoff berth.

286 Varek Raith  Apr 7, 2014 4:57:36pm

Trollolololol.

287 EPR-radar  Apr 7, 2014 4:58:12pm

re: #262 Dark_Falcon

This dreck doesn’t even rise to the level of a proper Tu Quoque because the facts aren’t a close enough match.

Voting for or donating to an anti-gay bigot elected official is a occupational hazard of being a republican.

As repellant as that often is, it’s really not in the same league as donating in favor of Prop 8.

288 aagcobb  Apr 7, 2014 4:59:55pm

re: #118 GlutenFreeJesus

Anyone see the new Captain America and think today’s GOP is Hydra, except completely inept?

To me it seemed like a convergence of the deepest wingnut and dudebro conspiracy theories. It even had **SPOILER ALERT** a heroic hacker spilling all of our national security secrets onto the internet! And of course all the “patriots” out there fantasize they are Captain America!

289 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2014 4:59:58pm

wow.

290 sattv4u2  Apr 7, 2014 5:00:00pm

re: #285 Dark_Falcon

The Bruins, like the Blackhawks, have already locked up a playoff berth.

I’m looking at the bigger picture

BRUINS!!!

291 Killgore Trout  Apr 7, 2014 5:00:03pm

re: #284 CuriousLurker

This isn’t news. It was posted on a blog yesterday and tweeted around the same time (and by the same person) as the link to the Mozilla FAQ I posted earlier. The blog post was: The Hypocrisy Of Sam Yagan & OkCupid, which in turn linked to a Salon article from April 4th.

Ah thanks. I skipped that Salon article because I thought the premise of this being a publicity stunt wasn’t a credible claim. I guess I’m still wary that this was just a cynical publicity stunt, I still think it’s just simple hypocrisy that got out of hand. Kind of like when anti-gay politicians get caught having gay affairs. It happens, people are weird.

292 makeitstop  Apr 7, 2014 5:01:51pm

re: #260 klys

Turns out, desk is not clean enough.

Yeah, I still have 9 unbroken fingers. I might want to get on that.
///

293 ObserverArt  Apr 7, 2014 5:02:09pm

re: #271 Dark_Falcon

I’d rather see the Devils advance, ‘cause they’re with Satan and Chris Christie. The Blue Jackets have John Kaisch and Teabaggers wearing tricone hats.

/sorta

Booooooo!

The fact that you posted that means I’m gonna cheer the Jackets on even more. And, I’m still pissed those lousy Blackhawks won on Friday with a rugby scrum in front of our goal with 4 seconds left before overtime and getting that much needed extra point.

Plus, as a military history buff, I would’a’ thought you’d be cool with the Blue Jackets due to the civil war history connection in the name. Remember all those famous Blue jacketed Union Generals, officers and soldiers. Ohio kicked some ass in the war. Grant, Sherman, McClellan, Sheridan and others (*cough* Custer). And Columbus had some rather large military bases at the time too.

: )

Edit…okay Dark, it’s Hockey War! I see that upding for NJs post. Grrrrr.

294 Sophist, D.D., DDS, DFH  Apr 7, 2014 5:04:21pm

re: #212 freetoken

Since we’re pimping RawStory articles, this one made my head hurt:

‘Star Trek’ actress lends her gravitas to film promoting idea that sun revolves around Earth

The trailer is from last December, so I’m not sure why it has bubbled up to the top of the stack now.

No wonder it took her seven seasons to get back from the Delta quadrant.

295 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2014 5:05:14pm

President Obama, in statement, urges House to ‘stop blocking a bipartisan compromise’ on extension of unemployment insurance for 2.3 million people - @WestWingReport
see original on twitter.com

296 EPR-radar  Apr 7, 2014 5:06:10pm

re: #293 ObserverArt

Was McClellan any kind of a credit to OH? IIRC he was pretty much useless as a general in the civil war.

297 Dark_Falcon  Apr 7, 2014 5:07:22pm

re: #293 ObserverArt

Lousy Blackhawks? Even with their two biggest stars out, Chicago still managed to see off your weak-ass team! So bring your A-Game, Columbus! You’ll still get knocked out in the first round while the Hawks advance. For the Stanley Cup has a natural home nowadays, and that home is Chicago!

/I love this sort of fan bravado.

298 Dark_Falcon  Apr 7, 2014 5:08:25pm

re: #293 ObserverArt

Grant was from Gelena, Illinois, not Ohio.

299 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2014 5:08:35pm

re: #295 Justanotherhuman

President Obama, in statement, urges House to ‘stop blocking a bipartisan compromise’ on extension of unemployment insurance for 2.3 million people - @WestWingReport
see original on twitter.com

And tomorrow, Boehner will give his usual “No UI, more oil/coal handouts…er, ‘jobs bills’” speech tomorrow.

300 GeneJockey  Apr 7, 2014 5:08:46pm

re: #212 freetoken

Since we’re pimping RawStory articles, this one made my head hurt:

‘Star Trek’ actress lends her gravitas to film promoting idea that sun revolves around Earth

The trailer is from last December, so I’m not sure why it has bubbled up to the top of the stack now.

You know, we don’t pay actors to be smart, or to know anything other than how to do a real good job convincing us they’re somebody else. This is why I can’t get all worked up over a Conservative actor saying something stupid, or a Liberal actor saying something smart.

I imagine Kate Mulgrew has not had a lot of gigs since ‘Voyager’ that paid as much or gave her that kind of exposure. And it’s not like Leonard Nimoy didn’t do cheesy voiceover work…

301 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2014 5:09:39pm

If the Russians can’t have the bldgs, they’ll burn them down w/Molotov cocktails.

Andrew Roth ‏@ARothNYT 3h

Pro-Russian protestors failing to take the Kharkiv administration are doing the next best thing: burning it down with Molotov cocktails.

Retweeted by Christopher Miller
Myroslava Petsa ‏@myroslavapetsa 3h

Fire at #Kharkiv region administration where police are barricaded. Protesters block fire-engines. First #Molotovs thrown into the building

302 GeneJockey  Apr 7, 2014 5:10:07pm

re: #296 EPR-radar

Was McClellan any kind of a credit to OH? IIRC he was pretty much useless as a general in the civil war.

Well, he DID put together and train the army that Grant eventually used to win. IIRC training an army was about the extent of his usefulness.

303 CuriousLurker  Apr 7, 2014 5:11:11pm

re: #284 CuriousLurker

This isn’t news. It was posted on a blog yesterday and tweeted around the same time (and by the same person) as the link to the Mozilla FAQ I posted earlier. The blog post was: The Hypocrisy Of Sam Yagan & OkCupid, which in turn linked to a Salon article from April 4th.

Lest anyone think I’m bullshitting:

Protip: If you’re gonna follow a story that has to do with politics and another subject—like the tech industry—it helps if you’re actually following people from within the other industry, even better if they work directly for the company in question. You’ll be a lot less likely to end up with egg on your face if you wait to comment on the details until you have a better idea what’s going on.

Oh, just in case you’re not curious enough to check out who David Walsh is, in addition to other things he’s a web developer & Mozilla “evangelist”.

304 aagcobb  Apr 7, 2014 5:11:24pm

re: #296 EPR-radar

Was McClellan any kind of a credit to OH? IIRC he was pretty much useless as a general in the civil war.

He did a great job of whipping the Army of the Potomac into shape after the First Battle of Bull Run, and I understand he was a crackerjack railroad executive. Unfortunately he rose to the level of his incompetency.

305 GeneJockey  Apr 7, 2014 5:12:38pm

re: #304 aagcobb

He did a great job of whipping the Army of the Potomac into shape after the First Battle of Bull Run, and I understand he was a crackerjack railroad executive. Unfortunately he rose to the level of his incompetency.

To Incompetency, And Beyond!

306 EPR-radar  Apr 7, 2014 5:12:42pm

re: #304 aagcobb

He did a great job of whipping the Army of the Potomac into shape after the First Battle of Bull Run, and I understand he was a crackerjack railroad executive. Unfortunately he rose to the level of his incompetency.

And aspired to go much higher. He ran against Lincoln in the election of 1864.

307 Stanley Sea  Apr 7, 2014 5:13:27pm

re: #299 Targetpractice

And tomorrow, Boehner will give his usual “No UI, more oil/coal handouts…er, ‘jobs bills’” speech tomorrow.

And trying to increase the hours for insurance benefits from 30 to 40 for the jerb creators.

308 ObserverArt  Apr 7, 2014 5:15:09pm

re: #297 Dark_Falcon

Lousy Blackhawks? Even with their two biggest stars out, Chicago still managed to see off your weak-ass team! So bring your A-Game, Columbus! You’ll still get knocked out in the first round while the Hawks advance. For the Stanley Cup has a natural home nowadays, and that home is Chicago!

/I love this sort of fan bravado.

Hey, we are getting better. It’s a young team and with some playoff experience we will get better. We have some players out too…one happens to be a Blackhawk escape.

This city needs to see their pro team in the playoffs. Plus, we wouldn’t see you guys ‘til the finals if we (doubtful) reach them. I do think we can give a team like Boston some game if that happens to be the first team we play. We can take on any team in the East, but Boston and Pittsburgh give us trouble, but we are closing in. I do hope though, we can sneak around either Detroit or Philly to move out of the 8th spot so we can go against Pittsburgh. That would be a raucous set of games due to the cities being so close and a budding rivalry now that we are in the East.

309 Decatur Deb  Apr 7, 2014 5:15:31pm

re: #298 Dark_Falcon

Grant was from Gelena, Illinois, not Ohio.

Galena, named for lead (Pb).

310 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2014 5:15:38pm

re: #307 Stanley Sea

And trying to increase the hours for insurance benefits from 30 to 40 for the jerb creators.

Yeah, I mean think of all the hard work they’ve had to put in, scheduling workers so they can work them only 29 hours a week and still have enough manpower.

311 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 7, 2014 5:15:50pm

re: #296 EPR-radar

Was McClellan any kind of a credit to OH? IIRC he was pretty much useless as a general in the civil war.

Not useless. He designed an excellent saddle and was responsible for getting the Union army’s training up to speed. He was not a good _combat_ commander, though, and it was a disaster when he tried to be. But a good example of the Peter Principle…

312 goddamnedfrank  Apr 7, 2014 5:16:58pm

re: #284 CuriousLurker

This isn’t news. It was posted on a blog yesterday and tweeted around the same time (and by the same person) as the link to the Mozilla FAQ I posted earlier. The blog post was: The Hypocrisy Of Sam Yagan & OkCupid, which in turn linked to a Salon article from April 4th.

Also there’s a huge difference between donating to a candidate and donating to directly take away certain people’s civil rights. The entire point is that using the initiative process to use the popular vote to enact official discrimination is abhorrent. Yagan could easily have supported Cannon on tax policy, or for some other self interested dumbshit reason that had nothing to do with bigotry against gays.

What’s instructive is that Eich, who also donated to bigoted candidates like Ron Paul and Linda Smith, was never castigated for those donations, not even as a pile on. Because donating to candidates is a legitimate expenditure. Prop. 8 was distinctly disgusting in that it used the popular vote to attack and marginalize a minority, and support for it could not possibly be interpreted as support for anything else.

Killgore is, again, just being a sniveling bitch.

313 Decatur Deb  Apr 7, 2014 5:17:27pm

re: #311 William Barnett-Lewis

Not useless. He designed an excellent saddle and was responsible for getting the Union army’s training up to speed. He was not a good _combat_ commander, though, and it was a disaster when he tried to be. But a good example of the Peter Principle…

And his men loved him—probably means he didn’t spend them trivially.

314 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2014 5:18:06pm

re: #300 GeneJockey

You know, we don’t pay actors to be smart, or to know anything other than how to do a real good job convincing us they’re somebody else. This is why I can’t get all worked up over a Conservative actor saying something stupid, or a Liberal actor saying something smart.

I imagine Kate Mulgrew has not had a lot of gigs since ‘Voyager’ that paid as much or gave her that kind of exposure. And it’s not like Leonard Nimoy didn’t do cheesy voiceover work…

It’s as though the older she gets (she’s 58 now), the more conservative she became. And go figure, she’s married to an OH Dem named Tim Hagan who describes himself as an avowed liberal and long time friend of the Kennedy clan.

It probably didn’t help that she’s probably suffering a lot of Catholic guilt, as well, over a child she had as a young woman and gave up for adoption. I think I read that she met her about 2 yrs ago. Some people simply cannot move on from those things and keep them bottled up inside forever, gnawing away.

315 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 7, 2014 5:18:27pm

re: #306 EPR-radar

And aspired to go much higher. He ran against Lincoln in the election of 1864.

HURR HURR!!!! DEMOCRAT!!!!!!

316 ObserverArt  Apr 7, 2014 5:18:31pm

re: #298 Dark_Falcon

Grant was from Gelena, Illinois, not Ohio.

Born in Point Pleasant Ohio. Ohio has always been proud he was a native son and one of the many Ohio-born presidents.

317 Dark_Falcon  Apr 7, 2014 5:18:43pm

re: #304 aagcobb

He did a great job of whipping the Army of the Potomac into shape after the First Battle of Bull Run, and I understand he was a crackerjack railroad executive. Unfortunately he rose to the level of his incompetency.

Youtube Video

318 Dark_Falcon  Apr 7, 2014 5:20:39pm

re: #308 ObserverArt

Hey, we are getting better. It’s a young team and with some playoff experience we will get better. We have some players out too…one happens to be a Blackhawk escape.

This city needs to see their pro team in the playoffs. Plus, we wouldn’t see you guys ‘til the finals if we (doubtful) reach them. I do think we can give a team like Boston some game if that happens to be the first team we play. We can take on any team in the East, but Boston and Pittsburgh give us trouble, but we are closing in. I do hope though, we can sneak around either Detroit or Philly to move out of the 8th spot so we can go against Pittsburgh. That would be a raucous set of games due to the cities being so close and a budding rivalry now that we are in the East.

Well, the Bluejacks did their part by clubbing the Islanders yesterday. The Devils have their chance tonight, facing lowly Calgary.

319 sattv4u2  Apr 7, 2014 5:20:59pm

re: #315 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!! DEMOCRAT!!!!!!

Yup

he ran as a U.S. Army general still on active duty; he did not resign his commission until election day, November 8, 1864. He supported continuation of the war and restoration of the Union (though not the abolition of slavery)

320 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 7, 2014 5:21:13pm

re: #313 Decatur Deb

And his men loved him—probably means he didn’t spend them trivially.

I thought about editing to reflect that. He was too cautious on the field of battle because he hated killing his soldiers. That took a different kind of strength than he had.

321 EPR-radar  Apr 7, 2014 5:22:04pm

re: #312 goddamnedfrank

The article from the other day described the pro-8 campaign as “unprecedented”.

Indeed it was, in the sense that this was the first time all of CA was subject to incessant anti-gay propaganda.

However, it was also not unprecedented at all, in the sense that the anti-gay propaganda used by the pro-8 forces was the same old shit as always (i.e., “the perverts are coming for your children”).

322 Decatur Deb  Apr 7, 2014 5:22:05pm

re: #320 William Barnett-Lewis

I thought about editing to reflect that. He was too cautious on the field of battle because he hated killing his soldiers. That took a different kind of strength than he had.

Yeah. Grant and Sherman did the New Math.

323 lawhawk  Apr 7, 2014 5:23:10pm
324 Cheechako  Apr 7, 2014 5:24:07pm

re: #311 William Barnett-Lewis

Not useless. He designed an excellent saddle and was responsible for getting the Union army’s training up to speed. He was not a good _combat_ commander, though, and it was a disaster when he tried to be. But a good example of the Peter Principle…

Many years ago I used a McClellan saddle. They are not designed for riders who might have a “chunky butt”. You have to be a bean pole to be even somewhat comfortable.

325 Dark_Falcon  Apr 7, 2014 5:25:53pm

re: #323 lawhawk

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It’s also contains provisions that will void the charges against Marisa Alexander. Folks here (myself included) regarded her conviction as an injustice, so it should be known that this bill will at least ensure she won’t be sent to prison for 20 years.

326 aagcobb  Apr 7, 2014 5:26:12pm

re: #308 ObserverArt

Hey, we are getting better. It’s a young team and with some playoff experience we will get better. We have some players out too…one happens to be a Blackhawk escape.

This city needs to see their pro team in the playoffs. Plus, we wouldn’t see you guys ‘til the finals if we (doubtful) reach them. I do think we can give a team like Boston some game if that happens to be the first team we play. We can take on any team in the East, but Boston and Pittsburgh give us trouble, but we are closing in. I do hope though, we can sneak around either Detroit or Philly to move out of the 8th spot so we can go against Pittsburgh. That would be a raucous set of games due to the cities being so close and a budding rivalry now that we are in the East.

Enough hockey already. Don’t you know what is happening tonight? Go Big Blue!

327 Dark_Falcon  Apr 7, 2014 5:26:15pm

re: #324 Cheechako

Many years ago I used a McClellan saddle. They are not designed for riders who might have a “chunky butt”. You have to be a bean pole to be even somewhat comfortable.

People were thinner then.

328 sattv4u2  Apr 7, 2014 5:26:50pm

re: #326 aagcobb

Enough hockey alrady. Don’t you know what is happening tonight? Go Big Blue!

aren’t BOTH team colors BLUE !?!?!

329 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 7, 2014 5:28:22pm

re: #296 EPR-radar

Was McClellan any kind of a credit to OH? IIRC he was pretty much useless as a general in the civil war.

He was governor of NJ after the war if that counts as a credit to OH.

330 aagcobb  Apr 7, 2014 5:28:28pm

re: #328 sattv4u2

aren’t BOTH team colors BLUE !?!?!

There is only one Big Blue. The team gunning for its Ninth National Championship.

331 lawhawk  Apr 7, 2014 5:30:23pm

re: #325 Dark_Falcon

It’s also contains provisions that will void the charges against Marisa Alexander. Folks here (myself included) regarded her conviction as an injustice, so it should be known that this bill will at least ensure she won’t be sent to prison for 20 years.

Compounding a bad law with a worse one IMO.

This bill will enable others to carry out acts of violence against people, and claim they were just firing warning shots.

You want to talk slippery slope of badness, this is it. And it started with an inane SYG doctrine, combined with poor law enforcement and investigations, etc.

332 sattv4u2  Apr 7, 2014 5:31:22pm

re: #330 aagcobb

There is only one Big Blue. The team gunning for its Ninth National Championship.

Wel,,, UCONN has 11

(albeit ,,, 8 of them are from their womens team)

333 Dark_Falcon  Apr 7, 2014 5:31:47pm

re: #320 William Barnett-Lewis

I thought about editing to reflect that. He was too cautious on the field of battle because he hated killing his soldiers. That took a different kind of strength than he had.

It was also that McClellan had the bad luck to face several Confederate generals who were better than he was. Defeating the likes of Robert E. Lee and Thomas “Stonewall” Jackson in battle was a tall order for any general.

Overall, McClellan was measurably better than Lee on matters of logistics, and was even somewhat better in terms of overall war strategy. But Lee was a good deal better operationally, and tactically he was miles ahead of McClellan.

334 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2014 5:34:14pm

I normally don’t like varmits, but this one is rather cute.

Agouti BeeBee!

335 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2014 5:34:22pm

re: #314 Justanotherhuman

It’s as though the older she gets (she’s 58 now), the more conservative she became. And go figure, she’s married to an OH Dem named Tim Hagan who describes himself as an avowed liberal and long time friend of the Kennedy clan.

It probably didn’t help that she’s probably suffering a lot of Catholic guilt, as well, over a child she had as a young woman and gave up for adoption. I think I read that she met her about 2 yrs ago. Some people simply cannot move on from those things and keep them bottled up inside forever, gnawing away.

ETA: Actually she met her daughter in 2002, if I read right; she gave birth when she was 21, which would have been in 1976 and said she didn’t believe in “single mothers”. She also has 2 sons by another man whom she divorced. Sounds like a lot of conflict.

336 goddamnedfrank  Apr 7, 2014 5:34:38pm

re: #321 EPR-radar

The article from the other day described the pro-8 campaign as “unprecedented”.

Indeed it was, in the sense that this was the first time all of CA was subject to incessant anti-gay propaganda.

However, it was also not unprecedented at all, in the sense that the anti-gay propaganda use by the pro-8 forces was the same old shit as always (i.e., “the perverts are coming for your children”).

There’s a tragic pre-history to this that most people are unaware of:

The initiative the elder Bianchi pushed was I-677, a 1997 statewide initiative (Brodeur showed up in town in 1999) that would have banned employment discrimination against gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and transgendered people. Unlike Rachel Bianchi’s low-profile parks levy, I-677 was high-profile and, more importantly, a miserable failure.

A pro-gay-rights initiative was a bad idea in 1995 when the group Bianchi led, Hands Off Washington, first floated it. Cal Anderson, the state’s first openly gay member of the legislature, helped to shoot it down in early 1995 because, as gay-rights groups had made plain in battles against anti-gay-rights initiatives, voting on the civil rights of a minority was unconstitutional. Hands Off Washington was, in fact, founded on this principle, in order to fight demagogues like Lon Mabon. (The wisdom of this POV was vindicated when Colorado’s anti-gay Amendment 2 was tossed by the Supreme Court.) In short, civil rights should be the job of principled legislatures (see Civil Rights Act of 1964)—and not electorates.

But Anderson died in August of 1995 and Bianchi immediately began pushing for a gay-rights initiative. Bianchi’s personal crusade wound up destroying the organized gay-rights movement in Washington State. I-677 lost by 20 points. And by handing conservative legislators those anti-gay numbers, Bianchi’s ill-advised initiative scuttled any hopes of passing a comprehensive gay-rights bill in the legislature, a bill that had come within a single vote of passing in 1993 and 1994. After the defeat, Bianchi took a paper-pushing job in Olympia, and Hands Off Washington changed its name to Equality Washington and quickly collapsed.

This was the gay rights’ Waterloo in Washington State. It set the movement back years in no small part because it was predicated on a fundamentally flawed idea, that civil rights, anybody’s civil rights, should ever be put up directly for a popular vote.

337 EPR-radar  Apr 7, 2014 5:35:26pm

re: #331 lawhawk

Compounding a bad law with a worse one IMO.

This bill will enable others to carry out acts of violence against people, and claim they were just firing warning shots.

You want to talk slippery slope of badness, this is it. And it started with an inane SYG doctrine, combined with poor law enforcement and investigations, etc.

At this point, I think it would be best for FL to ditch all of its statutes relating to self defense and go with the applicable doctrines from common law.

“No duty to retreat in public” is bad craziness that is rapidly infecting FL law. It doesn’t help that the FL prosecutor in these cases seems to be the most incompetent prosecutor ever.

338 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2014 5:38:22pm

How has life been today?

339 klys  Apr 7, 2014 5:39:47pm

re: #338 FemNaziBitch

How has life been today?

My desk is getting pretty clean.

340 sattv4u2  Apr 7, 2014 5:40:50pm

re: #338 FemNaziBitch

How has life been today?

Depends on whose!

Brad Pitts ,, prolly pretty great

Mine ,,, not as much!

341 ObserverArt  Apr 7, 2014 5:44:29pm

re: #338 FemNaziBitch

How has life been today?

I figure the odds be fifty-fifty
I just might have some thing to say

(Hat tip to Frank Zappa…Fifty-Fifty - Overnight Sensation)

And with that…good evening!

342 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2014 5:44:41pm

re: #339 klys

My desk is getting pretty clean.

good, can you come over and work on mine? It’s so bad I moved the laptop to the dining room table.

re: #340 sattv4u2

Depends on whose!

Brad Pitts ,, prolly pretty great

Mine ,,, not as much!

I meant life in general. Why would I ask about yours?

/:)

343 Stanley Sea  Apr 7, 2014 5:45:26pm

re: #338 FemNaziBitch

How has life been today?

Fine, recouping after vacation. Picked up the junk mail today - the mailman hates me.

344 sattv4u2  Apr 7, 2014 5:45:40pm

re: #342 FemNaziBitch

good, can you come over and work on mine? It’s so bad I moved the laptop to the dining room table.

I meant life in general. Why would I ask about yours?

/:)

I notice you didn’t object to the Brad Pitt update though!!!

345 klys  Apr 7, 2014 5:45:58pm

re: #342 FemNaziBitch

good, can you come over and work on mine? It’s so bad I moved the laptop to the dining room table.

Hah, no, I still have my kitchen table, guest room, and *gulp* bonus room to go after this.

But if things keep up, who knows? I might finish a whole bunch!

346 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2014 5:46:49pm

re: #344 sattv4u2

I notice you didn’t object to the Brad Pitt update though!!!

No one objects to Brad Pitt.

347 sattv4u2  Apr 7, 2014 5:48:09pm

re: #346 FemNaziBitch

No one objects to Brad Pitt.

Jennifer Aniston begs to differ!!

348 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2014 5:48:36pm

re: #345 klys

Hah, no, I still have my kitchen table, guest room, and *gulp* bonus room to go after this.

But if things keep up, who knows? I might finish a whole bunch!

I’ve made small bits of progress.

Having to shift everything for the Christmas Tree last time around really has me off kilter.

Just haven’t gotten back in the groove. Or maybe, I’m trying to make a new one. I just can’t decide. And, there is no deadline —well, until we have to put-up the Christmas Tree again.

349 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2014 5:48:52pm

re: #347 sattv4u2

Jennifer Aniston begs to differ!!

nah, she’d take ‘im back.

350 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2014 5:50:59pm

Have I told you? I am totally rockin’ this tape.

Seriously, try it on the old person knees. I can’t believe how much it helps.

351 sattv4u2  Apr 7, 2014 5:51:40pm

re: #349 FemNaziBitch

nah, she’d take ‘im back.

True, but I don’t think she’d be happy with him bringing Angelina along with him!!

352 klys  Apr 7, 2014 5:51:53pm

re: #348 FemNaziBitch

I’ve made small bits of progress.

Having to shift everything for the Christmas Tree last time around really has me off kilter.

Just haven’t gotten back in the groove. Or maybe, I’m trying to make a new one. I just can’t decide. And, there is no deadline —well, until we have to put-up the Christmas Tree again.

We went through the office closet last weekend, with some of that being gone through for the first time since before I moved in. Cables have all been properly cable-tied, sorted, and put into actual useful storage bins as opposed to random cardboard boxes that were falling apart. Cables for things we no longer own/use are slated for recycling.

Any Lizards maybe interested in the nice older tape/CD holders? The ones for travel, by CaseLogic? There’s a bunch probably going to Goodwill, but I’d be happy to ship if someone really wants them, for the cost of shipping pretty much.

353 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2014 5:52:45pm

Maryland is going to be MerryLand!

354 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2014 5:53:21pm

re: #352 klys

We went through the office closet last weekend, with some of that being gone through for the first time since before I moved in. Cables have all been properly cable-tied, sorted, and put into actual useful storage bins as opposed to random cardboard boxes that were falling apart. Cables for things we no longer own/use are slated for recycling.

Any Lizards maybe interested in the nice older tape/CD holders? The ones for travel, by CaseLogic? There’s a bunch probably going to Goodwill, but I’d be happy to ship if someone really wants them, for the cost of shipping pretty much.

You can still find 8-track cases at Goodwill.

355 klys  Apr 7, 2014 5:54:21pm

re: #354 FemNaziBitch

You can still find 8-track cases at Goodwill.

Yes, but I don’t want them. I want to get rid of them.

356 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2014 5:56:07pm

Meanwhile, in my neck of the woods --or yours buy now.

357 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2014 5:57:52pm
[Louisiana’s] Fifth District Congressman Vance McAllister, who campaigned for office last fall as a devout Christian and devoted husband and father, was caught in video surveillance two days before Christmas passionately embracing and kissing one of his congressional aides.
358 BongCrodny  Apr 7, 2014 6:27:57pm

re: #357 FemNaziBitch

Rules are for thee, not me.

359 Eventual Carrion  Apr 7, 2014 8:32:15pm

re: #285 Dark_Falcon

The Bruins, like the Blackhawks, have already locked up a playoff berth.

Pittsburgh has their division.

360 steve_davis  Apr 8, 2014 5:53:59am

re: #33 Pie-onist Overlord

Shitfuck.

I may owe the IRS this year.

In previous years I made less money & had MOAR deductions.

I once, when self-employed, completely forgot about FICA. “Mother——” was all I could say, as Turbotax helpfully showed me a figure I would have to pay in monthly installments.

361 jamjam  Apr 8, 2014 6:13:59am

re: #333 Dark_Falcon

Interesting comment.

I am a great admirer of Grant, and I always felt that he was a man of similar temperament to myself: reserved, quiet, easily discomfited by parties and social gatherings, but thoughtful, kind and generous (though perhaps I’m being too generous to myself!)

Grant said, “McClellan is to me one of the mysteries of the war”, and the comment rings true.

Robert E. Lee’s cousin, Cassius Lee once asked him “which of the Federal generals he considered the greatest, and he answered most emphatically ‘McClellan by all odds.’ ”

I think that testifies to your comment about logistics, in that McClellan was an excellent organiser and Lee probably could see that. To paraphrase Shelby Foote, the pride McClellan instilled in the men and the training he gave them, was integral to all that the army of the Potomac did and achieved. Said Lincoln, “We must use what tools we have. There is no man in the Army who can man these fortifications and lick these troops of ours into shape half as well as he. If he can’t fight himself, he excels in making others ready to fight.”

From what I know about Little Mac, and from reading his diaries and letters, he seems a hard man to like: he’s got a chip on his shoulder, and seems to feel perenially underappreciated. He was derisive and dismissive of Lincoln, referring to him as “the original gorilla”, as “nothing more than a well-meaning baboon”, and other such comments…and as has been mentioned, he ran against Lincoln in 1864 on an anti-war ticket (he’d have sued for peace in ‘64 if he’d won I think). Who knows what would have happened to the slaves had he won?
I don’t think he’d have pressed emancipation very hard. Early in the war, he actually threatened to forcefully put down any slave insurrections where he encountered them.
His remarks on race perhaps speak even louder on the matter: “I confess to a prejudice in favor of my own race,” said McClellan after the war, “and can’t learn to like the odor of either Billy goats or n*****s.”

I don’t like McClellan much, on the whole, and I never have.

But I think he was (marginally) more skilled at soldiering than his reputation suggests. I don’t think he was timid. Perhaps over-cautious might be a better description? He was not afraid of bloody action (Sharpsburg remains the bloodiest single day battle in american history, with more casualties than the US took on D-Day). While urging Burnside to take the bridge over the creek, McClellan said something like, “I don’t care if it costs him 10,000 men, he must move”.

But his tendency to overinflate the enemies numbers was his greatest fault, and led him to overcaution. People often wonder why he only used a third of his effective strength at Sharpsburg: Fitz John Porter’s Corps was one of the two left in reserve. But Porter’s remarks on the day played right into McClellan’s own fears:
“Remember, General,” said Porter, “I command the last reserve of the last Army of the Republic.”

This in spite of the two reserve units having a higher total strength than the entire Confederate army.

I read somewhere that if Lee had as many troops as McClellan believed, then McClellan’s strategy (both at Sharpsburg and elsewhere) of caution made some military sense.

But since he had far more men, of course, in reality the strategy was probably not sensible. Of Sharpsburg, McClellan wrote, I think to his wife, “Those in whose judgment I rely tell me that I fought the battle splendidly and that it was a masterpiece of art. […] I have done all that can be asked…twice saving the country.” In his typical style, he said he felt proud of “having, with a beaten & demoralized army, defeated Lee so utterly.”

But his best line of all, “Well, one of these days history will I trust do me justice.”

I guess we’re still waiting for that to happen :)

362 jamjam  Apr 8, 2014 7:11:13am

re: #141 freetoken

Well said. That Eva Braun-Jewish connection and the TV show, and the rest of it, is more carnival show than science. It is pretty far from science.

It does a disservice to people’s understanding of genetics when such tripe comes along and is published in the news media. It serves only to exaggerate genetic differences between ethnic groups and create artificial borders. Pretending there are great genetic differences between ethnicities is a fantasy, and in my mind, it is quite insidious, since it commandeers molecules to serve political purposes: nucleotides are such beautiful composites themselves, structurally speaking.

Most synthetic chemists have an abiding admiration for structure, and I have long admired the coplanarity of aromatic compounds, and the electronic anisotropy that helps us characterise aromatic protons. I have affection for pyrimidines (which comes from my hours in the lab), but it is uracil, with its lactam-lactim tautomerisation that is particularly interesting - and it, I have never used in a synthesis.
I admire these flat and the bumpy, the level and the choppy, the coplanar and the asymmetric. Those sp2 constituted nitrogenous bases are as pleasing as the asymmetric (bis)spiro-2H-chromenes. They have aesthetic beauty.

But they have functional beauty as well, which the biochemist knows and admires. We are all indignant when people tell these stories about ‘race’ and genes, mixing up these molecules with politics and ideology, especially when they’re on shlock TV shows, and prefixed with the word ‘science’.

363 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Apr 8, 2014 8:00:37am

the most basic example of Right Wing Humor I’ve thought about is the playground trick of having one guy kneel down behind the target and another guy pushing the target over.

That’s right wing humor in a nutshell.

364 wrenchwench  Apr 8, 2014 8:56:48am

re: #362 jamjam

Well said. That Eva Braun-Jewish connection and the TV show, and the rest of it, is more carnival show than science. It is pretty far from science.

It does a disservice to people’s understanding of genetics when such tripe comes along and is published in the news media. It serves only to exaggerate genetic differences between ethnic groups and create artificial borders. Pretending there are great genetic differences between ethnicities is a fantasy, and in my mind, it is quite insidious, since it commandeers molecules to serve political purposes: nucleotides are such beautiful composites themselves, structurally speaking.

Most synthetic chemists have an abiding admiration for structure, and I have long admired the coplanarity of aromatic compounds, and the electronic anisotropy that helps us characterise aromatic protons. I have affection for pyrimidines (which comes from my hours in the lab), but it is uracil, with its lactam-lactim tautomerisation that is particularly interesting - and it, I have never used in a synthesis.
I admire these flat and the bumpy, the level and the choppy, the coplanar and the asymmetric. Those sp2 constituted nitrogenous bases are as pleasing as the asymmetric (bis)spiro-2H-chromenes. They have aesthetic beauty.

But they have functional beauty as well, which the biochemist knows and admires. We are all indignant when people tell these stories about ‘race’ and genes, mixing up these molecules with politics and ideology, especially when they’re on shlock TV shows, and prefixed with the word ‘science’.

I’m no chemist, but I think I can appreciate what you say. Especially the last sentence.


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