Flaw Found in Key Method for Protecting Data on the Internet

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The tiny padlock icon that sits next to many web addresses, suggesting protection of users’ most sensitive information — like passwords, stored files, bank details, even Social Security numbers — is broken.

A flaw has been discovered in one of the Internet’s key encryption methods, potentially forcing a wide swath of websites to swap out the virtual keys that generate private connections between the sites and their customers.

On Tuesday afternoon, many organizations were heeding the warning. Companies like Lastpass, the password manager, and Tumblr, the social network owned by Yahoo, said they had issued fixes and warned users to immediately swap out their usernames and passwords.

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1 Skip Intro  Apr 8, 2014 4:52:34pm

Are you fucking kidding me?

“This still means that the little lock icon (HTTPS) we all trusted to keep our passwords, personal emails, and credit cards safe was actually making all that private information accessible to anyone who knew about the exploit,” Tumblr’s security team wrote on their site. “This might be a good day to call in sick and take some time to change your passwords everywhere— especially your high-security services like email, file storage and banking, which may have been compromised by this bug.”

Mr. Chartier advised users to consider their passwords gone. “Companies need to get new encryption keys and users need to get new passwords immediately,” he said. “And do it quickly.”

Change all my login ids and all my passwords?

So much for the pain in the ass of using Lastpass. It was totally worthless.

2 Justanotherhuman  Apr 8, 2014 5:34:46pm

Just in case you missed it, downstairs…

OMFG, these people are nothing if not incestuous.

It would be funny if the hackers were them.

3 Targetpractice  Apr 8, 2014 5:35:03pm

Great, so now I’ve got to go through every website I’m registered at and change my passwords? That should only take a few hours. Fuck me.

4 klys  Apr 8, 2014 5:38:35pm

re: #3 Targetpractice

Great, so now I’ve got to go through every website I’m registered at and change my passwords? That should only take a few hours. Fuck me.

It doesn’t help you to change it if the website in question hasn’t updated to deal with the bug. Charles talked about it a bit downstairs earlier.

I use a low value password where I don’t really care if it gets cracked for the vast majority of websites. It means I can remember how to log into things, and lets me save the brainpower for the complex passwords associated with the things that really matter.

For me, I find this to be an acceptable compromise between security and practicality.

5 Charles Johnson  Apr 8, 2014 5:39:58pm

This is taking a while to bubble up from the tech world to the mainstream media, but it’s a very serious problem for a LOT of websites. And it’s made worse by the fact that if you were hit by the exploit, there are NO TRACES OF IT anywhere.

The LGF servers were patched today to fix the bug in OpenSSL, but we may need to have you reset your password here as well, because prior to this morning our server OS was vulnerable to the bug.

Since we only recently started using SSL to handle secure tasks, the odds are low that we’ve already been hit by the exploit. And we don’t store any really serious personal info like credit cards, etc., so we’re not a high profile target for criminals.

Nonetheless, we’re now working to get our SSL certificate revoked, reissued, and reinstalled, and when that’s done we’ll decide how to handle the password issue.

As always, I consider it vital to stay on top of these issues.

6 Targetpractice  Apr 8, 2014 5:41:08pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Fair enough, if I have to change my password, so be it. Better than the alternative.

7 Charles Johnson  Apr 8, 2014 5:41:14pm

I use 1Password myself and absolutely love it. Makes it extremely painless to have unique, highly random passwords for every site.

8 Political Atheist  Apr 8, 2014 5:42:29pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Well I may as well beat the crowd at the new password desk.

BRB

9 Skip Intro  Apr 8, 2014 5:47:29pm

I subscribe to LastPass and I haven’t heard a word about this from them. Nothing on their website either.

Hmmm.

10 Skip Intro  Apr 8, 2014 5:50:27pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

I use 1Password myself and absolutely love it. Makes it extremely painless to have unique, highly random passwords for every site.

That’s what Lastpass does too. The problem is, Lastpass can’t always figure out the right fields to fill in for you, and when that happens it’s a pain to have to log in to Lastpass to copy your password so you can then paste it into the correct field.

Every single time.

11 Justanotherhuman  Apr 8, 2014 5:52:14pm

“Three security researchers at Codenomicon’s offices in Oulu, Finland, first discovered the bug last Thursday. The researchers, Antti Karjalainen, Riku Hietamäki and Matti Kamunen, immediately alerted the Finnish authority that is charged with responsibly disclosing security bugs. As it turned out, a security researcher at Google, Neel Mehta, had also discovered the bug and the Google security team had been working on a fix.

(snip)

“Security researchers say it is impossible to know for sure whether an attacker used the bug to steal a victim’s information, but they found evidence that suggests attackers were aware of the bug and had been exploiting it. Researchers monitoring various “honeypots” — stashes of fake data on the web aimed at luring hackers so researchers can learn more about their tools and techniques — found evidence that attackers had used the Heartbleed bug to access the fake data.

:But actual victims are out of luck. “Unless an attacker blackmails you, or publishes your information online, or steals a trade secret and uses it, you won’t know if you’ve been compromised,” Mr. Chartier said. “That’s what makes it so vicious.”

bits.blogs.nytimes.com

12 Charles Johnson  Apr 8, 2014 5:52:44pm

re: #9 Skip Intro

I subscribe to LastPass and I haven’t heard a word about this from them. Nothing on their website either.

Hmmm.

Are you registered at their website? This doesn’t directly affect the operation of LastPass or 1Password - the problem is with web servers that have the OpenSSL system installed, leading to a highly non-secure website. Almost any site that depends on an HTTPS connection for security has actually been wide open for more that two years.

That’s why I’m calling this a very big deal.

13 Charles Johnson  Apr 8, 2014 5:54:44pm
14 Justanotherhuman  Apr 8, 2014 5:59:25pm

So—this has been known for a couple of years now? And the Bitcoin Boys are more nervous than ever, it seems.

coindesk.com

“The Heartbleed flaw has reportedly been known to researchers since 2011, and even ‘black hat’ hackers since 2012, meaning critical data on a large portion of the internet has been openly available for years. There have been no confirmed reports of exploits, though attacks leave no trace.

“Security admins around the world are now hurriedly applying a fix, and changing certificates and secret keys on the off-chance they could have been compromised.

“Since it weakens any site using the ‘secure’ https protocol, the threat isn’t specifically to bitcoin services like wallets and exchanges. But given authorities’ tendency to ignore bitcoin thefts or inability to investigate them effectively, it could leave bitcoin services more vulnerable than ‘traditional’ online financial or other critical ones.”

15 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 8, 2014 6:00:33pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

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Worse Is Better, alas, and this is just another example of it. And people wonder why I pine for LISP…

Worse is Better

16 dog philosopher  Apr 8, 2014 6:02:33pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

The Heartbleed bug shows once again the vital importance of bounds checking in low-level languages. For the millionth time

is there a detailed description of the particular place where they failed to check a low end or high end boundary value?

17 AntonSirius  Apr 8, 2014 6:02:57pm

re: #4 klys

I use a low value password where I don’t really care if it gets cracked for the vast majority of websites. It means I can remember how to log into things, and lets me save the brainpower for the complex passwords associated with the things that really matter.

I do somewhat the same thing - I use the same “system” for generating a password on most sites, with minor variations here and there depending on the length and character requirements. My important passwords deliberately do not use that system.

18 Charles Johnson  Apr 8, 2014 6:04:35pm

re: #16 dog philosopher

is there a detailed description of the particular place where they failed to check a low end or high end boundary value?

Indeed there is:

A Few Thoughts on Cryptographic Engineering: Attack of the Week: OpenSSL Heartbleed

19 Belafon  Apr 8, 2014 6:04:47pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

I’ve been thinking about that (I’ve gotten interested in language design and implementation). We’re really past the point where adding an extra 4 or 8 bytes for the array length is expensive memory wise; and Java and C# prove you can do the bounds checks efficiently.

20 Charles Johnson  Apr 8, 2014 6:06:38pm
21 Justanotherhuman  Apr 8, 2014 6:07:27pm

Systems have flaws. And criminals will always be challenging. I just always assume the internet is not a safe place.

If people really wanted privacy, would they give the internet everything about themselves, including their wallet?

22 Skip Intro  Apr 8, 2014 6:09:56pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

I’m referring to the statement in the article that says “Companies like Lastpass, the password manager, and Tumblr, the social network owned by Yahoo, said they had issued fixes and warned users to immediately swap out their usernames and passwords.”

I haven’t heard anything from Lastpass about this. Until this afternoon, I had no idea there was a problem.

23 Charles Johnson  Apr 8, 2014 6:16:45pm

re: #22 Skip Intro

I’m referring to the statement in the article that says “Companies like Lastpass, the password manager, and Tumblr, the social network owned by Yahoo, said they had issued fixes >and warned users to immediately swap out their usernames and passwords.”

I haven’t heard anything from Lastpass about this. Until this afternoon, I had no idea there was a problem.

I think by ‘warned users,’ they might mean registered users of the website. But I can’t speak for them.

They’re probably contacting the people most at risk first. That’s what I’d do anyway.

24 dog philosopher  Apr 8, 2014 6:20:57pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Indeed there is:

A Few Thoughts on Cryptographic Engineering: Attack of the Week: OpenSSL Heartbleed

hmmm who thought it would be a good idea to hand over a chunk of sekrit memory to an outside process, on command - for whatever reason?

25 darthstar  Apr 8, 2014 6:23:59pm
26 darthstar  Apr 8, 2014 6:26:15pm

I asked our IT department if we used OpenSSL and they said yes, but not in a way that makes us vulnerable…ha! Cowboy development with people spinning up their own apps on dedicated VMs on production without telling other teams/developers/management and they think we’re secure? Okay.

27 klys  Apr 8, 2014 6:28:10pm

…tater tot nachoes.

I can’t figure out if this is an excellent or a horrible idea.

28 Killgore Trout  Apr 8, 2014 6:28:36pm

Exclusive: U.S. Won’t Share Invasion Intel With Ukraine

President Obama has repeatedly and publicly expressed solidarity with the Ukrainian people—and warned Russian leader Vladimir Putin that there will be consequences if he takes over any more Ukrainian territory. Yet Obama’s administration has so far been reluctant to hand over the kind of intelligence the Ukrainians could use to defend themselves. U.S. officials and members of Congress briefed on the crisis in Ukraine tell The Daily Beast that senior U.S. military officers have been instructed to refrain from briefing their Ukrainian counterparts in detail about what the United States knows about the Russians troops amassing on the border.

29 darthstar  Apr 8, 2014 6:28:50pm
30 Killgore Trout  Apr 8, 2014 6:29:20pm

I guess this explains the massive Windows 8 update I just downloaded.

31 darthstar  Apr 8, 2014 6:30:50pm

re: #27 klys

…tater tot nachoes.

I can’t figure out if this is an excellent or a horrible idea.

They have “Irish nachos” at the Irish pub at AT&T Park. Fries, cheese, jalapenos, and about a half pound of shredded corned beef. Add some horseradish, a bit of stone-ground mustard and it’s fuckin’ heaven (go easy on the cheese, as it’s not good for you anyway).

32 klys  Apr 8, 2014 6:31:34pm

re: #31 darthstar

They have “Irish nachos” at the Irish pub at AT&T Park. Fries, cheese, jalapenos, and about a half pound of shredded corned beef. Add some horseradish, a bit of stone-ground mustard and it’s fuckin’ heaven (go easy on the cheese, as it’s not good for you anyway).

I figure if I *ever* get talked into going to a baseball game for whatever reason, I will spend the entire time exploring the food and drink options to be had.

33 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 8, 2014 6:32:04pm

re: #27 klys

…tater tot nachoes.

I can’t figure out if this is an excellent or a horrible idea.

are you sure it’s mutually exclusive? To me it sounds like the most horribly excellent thing you could have.

RBS

34 klys  Apr 8, 2014 6:32:36pm

re: #33 RealityBasedSteve

are you sure it’s mutually exclusive? To me it sounds like the most horribly excellent thing you could have.

RBS

I think it just ended up on next week’s meal plan.

35 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Apr 8, 2014 6:34:17pm

Why is the world still using username/password as the authentication method of choice?

36 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 8, 2014 6:34:23pm

re: #25 darthstar

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I am not a baseball fan but it’s still nice to see when they do something right. Love the photo too - it’s use of the behind the player look at what baseball is about (in myth at least) reminds me of the all time greatest baseball photograph -

37 Charles Johnson  Apr 8, 2014 6:35:59pm
38 sattv4u2  Apr 8, 2014 6:37:21pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

hmm,,,

Mixed thoughts on that

On the one hand, not sharing info about the Russians troops amassing on the border somewhat flies in the face of ” solidarity with the Ukrainian people” and “there will be consequences if he takes over any more Ukrainian territory.”

OTOH,,, things are so volatile there can ALL Ukranian military officials be trusted NOT to be just waiting for a time when they back Russia instead of the Ukraine. I would think there would still be some remnants that are loyal to the deposed presidednt

39 sattv4u2  Apr 8, 2014 6:38:01pm

And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

40 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 8, 2014 6:38:04pm

re: #35 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Why is the world still using username/password as the authentication method of choice?

They sent out an email where I work that they were going to a biometric scan for entry. I guess I didn’t pay attention to the email, because when I got to the scanner and dropped my pants I realized that it has said “Retinal” scanner.

My Bad….

RBS

41 Charles Johnson  Apr 8, 2014 6:40:02pm
42 Killgore Trout  Apr 8, 2014 6:41:37pm

re: #38 sattv4u2

hmm,,,

Mixed thoughts on that

On the one hand, not sharing info about the Russians troops amassing on the border somewhat flies in the face of ” solidarity with the Ukrainian people” and “there will be consequences if he takes over any more Ukrainian territory.”

OTOH,,, things are so volatile there can ALL Ukranian military officials be trusted NOT to be just waiting for a time when they back Russia instead of the Ukraine. I would think there would still be some remnants that are loyal to the deposed presidednt

I think it might be because we don’t want the Ukrainians to fight. There’s no way they can win and they’ll just get themselves killed.

43 darthstar  Apr 8, 2014 6:43:17pm

The gentleman cast aspersions on my asparagus.

44 Floral Giraffe  Apr 8, 2014 6:45:07pm

re: #43 darthstar

Wish he’d cast Hollandaise, instead?

45 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2014 6:46:00pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

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See there? Jesselyn’s email wasn’t “compromised” there were only “crypto UX issues”.
Take THAT Mr Know-It-All Charles…

//

46 darthstar  Apr 8, 2014 6:46:27pm

Someone’s bacon for attention.

47 dog philosopher  Apr 8, 2014 6:47:53pm

re: #40 RealityBasedSteve

They sent out an email where I work that they were going to a biometric scan for entry. I guess I didn’t pay attention to the email, because when I got to the scanner and dropped my pants I realized that it has said “Retinal” scanner.

My Bad….

RBS

it doesn’t matter where you work there are always too many assholes there

48 ericblair  Apr 8, 2014 6:48:38pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

I think it might be because we don’t want the Ukrainians to fight. There’s no way they can win and they’ll just get themselves killed.

I’m guessing both. You’ve probably got a ton of Russian moles in the Ukrainian armed forces, so you’re compromising US intelligence gathering. More importantly, all the shit going on in the eastern oblasts is Russian provocation to get the Ukies to kill someone so the Russians can go charging in to protect the poor oppressed ethnic brethren.

The Ukranians’ best bet is to go slow and try to wait them out as much as possible; it doesn’t look like there’s a lot of local support for this sort of rebellion and the pro-Russian forces don’t look like they were hired for their patience or brains.

49 Weet  Apr 8, 2014 6:50:56pm

I turned on CNN (for some reason) and they said something about McCain and Teddy Roosevelt and carrying a big stick. Oh, and Obama doesn’t have a big one, or something.

Hmmm. Bigger than the nuclear warheads of Russia, huh, McCranky?

I grow weary of McDoddering’s foolishness.

50 Killgore Trout  Apr 8, 2014 6:52:01pm

Four Pinocchios from WaPo, now gets a Mostly False from Politifact
Democratic group assails Koch Brothers’ role in Louisiana Senate race

The statement contains an element of truth but ignores critical facts that would give a different impression. We rate it Mostly False.

51 dog philosopher  Apr 8, 2014 6:54:34pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

issues

is*sue
ˈiSHo͞o/
noun
noun: issue; plural noun: issues

1. an important topic for debate or discussion.

1is·sue
noun ˈi-(ˌ)shü, chiefly Southern ˈi-shə, chiefly British ˈis-(ˌ)yü

: something that people are talking about, thinking about, etc. : an important subject or topic

if you mean PROBLEM say PROBLEM

52 darthstar  Apr 8, 2014 6:54:35pm

Oh, god…one of the Fox spokesmodels really said, “The UConn Huskies are the NAACP Champs.” Seriously.

53 darthstar  Apr 8, 2014 6:55:18pm
54 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 8, 2014 6:55:43pm

re: #52 darthstar

Oh, god…one of the Fox spokesmodels really said, “The UConn Huskies are the NAACP Champs.” Seriously.

I think Herr Doktor Freud would have fun with that one…

55 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 8, 2014 6:56:29pm

re: #53 darthstar

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Unfortunately we have the first via corporate welfare as well as plenty of the latter…

56 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2014 7:00:31pm

re: #52 darthstar

Oh, god…one of the Fox spokesmodels really said, “The UConn Huskies are the NAACP Champs.” Seriously.

Vine video

57 bratwurst  Apr 8, 2014 7:02:04pm

Mike Huckabee speaking in Iowa tonight:

These people don’t have women at all.

58 Belafon  Apr 8, 2014 7:02:33pm

re: #35 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Because we only have so much body hair to use as DNA.

59 Killgore Trout  Apr 8, 2014 7:02:54pm

Comcast named Worst Company in America on the same day it files TWC merger paperwork

On the same day that Comcast and Time Warner Cable are filing their merger proposal paperwork with the Federal Communications Commission, Consumerist has announced that Comcast has won its annual poll for the “Worst Company in America.”

60 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 8, 2014 7:05:23pm

re: #58 Belafon

Because we only have so much body hair to use as DNA.

and some of us are more evolved than others…

RBS

61 Targetpractice  Apr 8, 2014 7:08:53pm

re: #59 Killgore Trout

Comcast named Worst Company in America on the same day it files TWC merger paperwork

It beat out EA for the title. That’s pretty bad.

62 kirkspencer  Apr 8, 2014 7:11:10pm

re: #50 Killgore Trout

Four Pinocchios from WaPo, now gets a Mostly False from Politifact
Democratic group assails Koch Brothers’ role in Louisiana Senate race

So as I started to post last time, there’s a real problem with these fact-finders.

See, the Grimm-Cassidy-Palazzo act didn’t do what the WaPo and Politifact claim. The bill it amended, the Biggert-Waters act, did indeed grandfather old premiums and cut back new ones.

What the GCP amendment did was delay implementation by a year so the amounts could be ‘studied’. Because of the way the bill was written there was a maximum age for grandfathered premiums. In short, several lower premiums that would have been grandfathered in 2013 weren’t because the active date was 2014.

I didn’t know that earlier. I went looking because the WaPo gave four pinnochios to something it said was partially true - just that the net effect is misleading. (Note not untrue, just misleading). I’m suspicious when the rating that’s supposed to be for “completely untrue” is applied in ‘partially true’ cases.

The WaPo through 2012 gave three times as many 4Ps to Republicans as Democrats. Since that time they’ve given them in equal amounts. Even back in 2012 I thought many of the 4Ps given (to both sides) were more for news-splash than accuracy, and since then it’s been worth.

I do not have the time to check every single post. Instead I’m going to go with a simple rule of business: if you can’t trust the businessman, don’t do business with them.

63 Amory Blaine  Apr 8, 2014 7:15:31pm

Damn I have over 100 passwords. Probably shit from the 90s.

64 Killgore Trout  Apr 8, 2014 7:17:49pm

re: #62 kirkspencer

So as I started to post last time, there’s a real problem with these fact-finders.

See, the Grimm-Cassidy-Palazzo act didn’t do what the WaPo and Politifact claim. The bill it amended, the Biggert-Waters act, did indeed grandfather old premiums and cut back new ones.

What the GCP amendment did was delay implementation by a year so the amounts could be ‘studied’. Because of the way the bill was written there was a maximum age for grandfathered premiums. In short, several lower premiums that would have been grandfathered in 2013 weren’t because the active date was 2014.

I didn’t know that earlier. I went looking because the WaPo gave four pinnochios to something it said was partially true - just that the net effect is misleading. (Note not untrue, just misleading). I’m suspicious when the rating that’s supposed to be for “completely untrue” is applied in ‘partially true’ cases.

The WaPo through 2012 gave three times as many 4Ps to Republicans as Democrats. Since that time they’ve given them in equal amounts. Even back in 2012 I thought many of the 4Ps given (to both sides) were more for news-splash than accuracy, and since then it’s been worth.

I do not have the time to check every single post. Instead I’m going to go with a simple rule of business: if you can’t trust the businessman, don’t do business with them.

I’ll give you kudos for at least a thoughtful reply and a factual rebuttal. All too often fact checks are just greeted with rage. The rating system isn’t perfect and it’s not really intended to be. I know Politifact does read their email and will respond if you correct them. They aren’t unreasonable.

65 palomino  Apr 8, 2014 7:18:33pm

So now 8 year olds in Iraq can be forced to marry. And women there have lost the right to say “no” to their husband’s sexual demands.

Good thing we fought a decade long war to “liberate” them. If only that liberation extended to the 70% of the population that’s female and/or underage.

66 freetoken  Apr 8, 2014 7:18:58pm

Speaking of data and flaws, yet another paper on Neanderthal admixture with modern humans is being wrongly reported in various news outlets.

Here’s the preprint that came out some weeks ago:

Neandertal admixture in Eurasia confirmed by Maximum likelihood analysis of three genomes

Here’s the part of the abstract that seems beyond the news media to decipher:

[…] We apply this likelihood scheme to triplets of human and Neandertal genomes and compare the relative support for a model of admixture from Neandertals into Eurasian populations after their expansion out of Africa against a history of persistent structure in their common ancestral population in Africa. Our analysis allows us to conclusively reject a model of ancestral structure in Africa and instead reveals strong support for Neandertal admixture in Eurasia at a higher rate (3.4% 7.3%) than suggested previously. […]

Highly technical, yes, but it can be parsed and teased apart with care.

Here are two examples that get it wrong:

Scots scientists reveal more recent DNA link to Neanderthals

[…]
But this mingling of the two human sub-species was thought to have taken place long ago in Africa [ed. - nope, that was only option and has not been the dominant hypothesis; ever since Paabo started to publish Neanderthal genomes the major hypothesis is that the admixture has taken place in Eurasia], before our ancestors spread across the globe.

The new evidence suggests Homo sapiens and Neanderthals got together much more recently.

[…]

and another:

Neanderthals Interbred With Humans? New Method ‘Closes A Hole’ In Evolution Argument

[…]

The findings, published in the April 2014 issue of the journal Genetics, explains how Neanderthals most likely interbred with modern humans after they migrated out of Africa. The new technique ruled out the other popular theory that humans who left Africa evolved from the same ancestral subpopulation where Neanderthals evolved from.

[…]

That latter part which I boldfaced is a more subtle error. The issue which is being debated is not whether sapiens and neanderthals evolved from the same prior (African) species; evidence points to that we came from the same latter genus Homo ancestors, though the date of separation between sapiens and neanderthal certainly appears to be uncertain.

Rather, what the paper to be published in Genetics is attempting to determine is if we can determine the probability that the (evidence interpreted as) the remnants of sapiens+neanderthal admixture could in fact represent the remnants of older (within Africa) Homo ancestry and should not be interpreted as later admixture.

The findings in the paper is that what we interpret as admixture is yes, much more probable to be admixture than the left over of much older, archaic DNA.

This is all highly technical, but it demonstrates how unequipped our popular media is to undertake describing the frontiers of science in 2014. Short quips and sound bytes can not do justice to the forefront of knowledge.

67 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 8, 2014 7:19:26pm

well well well well well

68 EmmaAnne  Apr 8, 2014 7:19:48pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

I use 1Password myself and absolutely love it. Makes it extremely painless to have unique, highly random passwords for every site.

Yes, 1Password for me too. It will, upon request, select a password for you when you sign up or change your password, to your specifications (including special characters or a certain length or whatever). Then it will remember the new password for you.

If I am about to change dozens of passwords, it will save me a bunch of time and effort.

69 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Apr 8, 2014 7:19:56pm
70 Amory Blaine  Apr 8, 2014 7:21:11pm

Doesn’t help when you have to set up an account to buy a box of toothpicks from some random store, one time, a decade ago. Multiplied.

71 Killgore Trout  Apr 8, 2014 7:21:18pm

re: #62 kirkspencer

…also I think this highlights another problem. The Koch criticisms all to often run into problems with factual accuracy. I’m sure there are plenty of legitimate things to complain about but the Koch stuff all too often gets into nutty territory.

72 Charles Johnson  Apr 8, 2014 7:29:09pm
73 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 8, 2014 7:31:19pm

re: #67 Pie-onist Overlord

well well well well well

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.onion? Tor users? smh, their paranoia will do them in faster than any bug.

74 freetoken  Apr 8, 2014 7:31:37pm

A very hot and dry day, very unusual for April.

The loquats are not happy.

Therefore, I am not happy.

75 jaunte  Apr 8, 2014 7:32:07pm
76 freetoken  Apr 8, 2014 7:34:47pm

Beat a 129 year record by 5 degrees:

RECORD REPORT


SXUS76 KSGX 090033
RERSGX

RECORD EVENT REPORT...FINAL
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN DIEGO CA
530 PM PDT TUE APR 08 2014

...HIGHEST MAXIMUM TEMPERATURE RECORDS BROKEN OR TIED ON APR 08 2014 ...

LOCATION NEW RECORD OLD RECORD PERIOD OF RECORD

SAN DIEGO 87 82 IN 1885 1875


...HIGHEST MINIMUM TEMPERATURE RECORDS BROKEN OR TIED ON APR 08 2014 ...

LOCATION NEW RECORD OLD RECORD PERIOD OF RECORD

SAN DIEGO 61 TIED 61 IN 2004 1875

77 freetoken  Apr 8, 2014 7:38:03pm

As the Earth’s surface warms, the belt of arid/dessert climates that sit between the sub-tropical and colder regions will move poleward.

San Diego is notably drier than LA, which in turn is drier than the central California coast. But, central Baja is even drier than San Diego.

Over the next century or two it is expected that these climates will move poleward.

As San Diego becomes more like central Baja we will likely lose our ability to grow much of the food we do now.

78 Floral Giraffe  Apr 8, 2014 7:42:34pm

re: #76 freetoken

It’s like August in April! Having to water the garden a LOT!
And the fruit flies seem to like the weather.

79 Apeman  Apr 8, 2014 7:46:40pm

Drive-by sneakin’ in post:

Haven’t been very active since I never feel like I have much to add to the conversations at present, but figured I’d do a quick post to say, “If you have noticed lots of hits from Japan, that could be me.”

I logged in mainly to switch my password out and say that I am indebted to most everyone here for helping me keep informed on things since my wife and I moved to the dreaded Fukushima prefecture.

Also, too, getting caught up in some of the China blocking stuff is fun. Hooray for VPNs! Anywho, carry on and /lurker mode.

80 freetoken  Apr 8, 2014 7:51:59pm

I wonder if we’ll see more “DEFUND PUBLIC TELEVISION!” cries?

Humans, meet ‘Your Inner Fish’ on PBS science show

81 palomino  Apr 8, 2014 8:04:15pm

re: #71 Killgore Trout

…also I think this highlights another problem. The Koch criticisms all to often run into problems with factual accuracy. I’m sure there are plenty of legitimate things to complain about but the Koch stuff all too often gets into nutty territory.

I think you miss forest for individual trees. And yes, so do a lot of liberal protesters.

Real problem is the new emerging system resulting from decisions like Citizens U. and McCutcheon. The notion that billions in donations don’t even create the appearance (much less reality) of corruption, or quid pro quo, is laughable.

Only 600 people nationwide donated the maximum last year (125k total) to individual campaigns, as opposed to SuperPacs of course where donations aren’t necessarily limited at all. And an even smaller number will likely donate the max this time to individual campaigns, as that figure has been effectively raised to $3.5 million. Which means an even smaller group of people will be able to buy greater and greater access. We’re marching from democracy to oligarchy. Well, at least we’re not a monarchy.

82 prairiefire  Apr 8, 2014 8:06:00pm

re: #75 jaunte

Tough ass looking cat.

83 palomino  Apr 8, 2014 8:07:48pm

re: #76 freetoken

Beat a 129 year record by 5 degrees:

Gotta love SD. Pretty much best weather in the country; at least if you don’t like surprises or extremes. The city’s basically room temperature outdoors most of the year. Even LA’s weather sucks by comparison.

The old records for this date were “brutal” temps—a low of 61 and high of 82. Most of the country would kill for those kinds of “extremes”.

84 Killgore Trout  Apr 8, 2014 8:12:55pm

re: #81 palomino

I think you miss forest for individual trees. And yes, so do a lot of liberal protesters.

Real problem is the new emerging system resulting from decisions like Citizens U. and McCutcheon. The notion that billions in donations don’t even create the appearance (much less reality) of corruption, or quid pro quo, is laughable.

Only 600 people nationwide donated the maximum last year (125k total) to individual campaigns, as opposed to SuperPacs of course where donations aren’t necessarily limited at all. And an even smaller number will likely donate the max this time to individual campaigns, as that figure has been effectively raised to $3.5 million. Which means an even smaller group of people will be able to buy greater and greater access. We’re marching from democracy to oligarchy. Well, at least we’re not a monarchy.

I have no doubt money is our political system is a huge problem. It deserves serious and factually accurate discussion. Fear mongering, conspiracy theories and stupid partisan populism are only perpetuating the problem.

85 Killgore Trout  Apr 8, 2014 8:13:48pm
Well, at least we’re not a monarchy.

lol

86 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 8, 2014 8:14:10pm

re: #83 palomino

Gotta love SD. Pretty much best weather in the country; at least if you don’t like surprises or extremes. The city’s basically room temperature outdoors most of the year. Even LA’s weather sucks by comparison.

The old records for this date were “brutal” temps—a low of 61 and high of 82. Most of the country would kill for those kinds of “extremes”.

A couple of my students this week are from SD. Class starts at 6am for them, so I don’t get much feedback from them early in the day. :)

RBS

87 Killgore Trout  Apr 8, 2014 8:16:42pm

This article has been popping up all day
Habanero peppers found on school playground

Setzer said it isn’t known at this time how or when the peppers got on the playground. The peppers are so hot people handling them wear gloves.

About two dozen students and a teachers’ aide had to be decontaminated on Monday and the school was closed Tuesday so playground equipment and school surfaces could be wiped clean. The school is expected to reopen on Wednesday.

Really?

88 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 8, 2014 8:25:17pm

re: #87 Killgore Trout

This article has been popping up all day
Habanero peppers found on school playground

Really?

Handle one then touch your eyes.

We’ll visit you in the hospital.

89 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 8, 2014 8:32:16pm

Virtual Tour of the Smithsonian… This is just WAY TOO COOL!!!!

RBS

90 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 8, 2014 8:36:46pm

re: #87 Killgore Trout

This article has been popping up all day
Habanero peppers found on school playground

Really?

Habaneros and other superhot peppers are not to be trifled with. I made the mistake once of scratching my cheek while dicing some chili peppers (not habaneros — not found in China). My eyes felt like someone had poured soap in them, and my nose ran for a good hour afterward.

Now multiply that effect by several 10,000s.

91 Killgore Trout  Apr 8, 2014 8:38:49pm

re: #88 William Barnett-Lewis

Handle one then touch your eyes.

We’ll visit you in the hospital.

Somebody dropped their hotdog in the playground. It happens.

92 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 8, 2014 8:43:32pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

Somebody dropped their hotdog in the playground. It happens.

Ah, I see. Not something to be concerned about. Gotcha.

smh

93 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 8, 2014 8:45:33pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

Somebody dropped their hotdog in the playground. It happens.

I dropped a Baby Ruth candy bar in the pool once…

RBS

94 palomino  Apr 8, 2014 8:51:22pm

re: #84 Killgore Trout

I have no doubt money is our political system is a huge problem. It deserves serious and factually accurate discussion. Fear mongering, conspiracy theories and stupid partisan populism are only perpetuating the problem.

These things don’t spring from a vacuum. They are, at least in part, a result of the billions being spent by a relatively small number of people. These problems may have always existed. But unlimited contributions will only make a “huge problem” even worse. While moving us all a little farther away from democracy.

95 palomino  Apr 8, 2014 8:52:31pm

re: #85 Killgore Trout

lol

I’m looking on the bright side. Things could actually be WORSE.

Would you want to live in a monarchy?

96 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 8, 2014 8:56:45pm

re: #94 palomino

You misunderstand. KT is happy we’re moving away from democracy. Who knows what the Ebil Masses might come up with! Freedom! Equality! Dancing!

97 palomino  Apr 8, 2014 8:59:29pm

re: #87 Killgore Trout

This article has been popping up all day
Habanero peppers found on school playground

Really?

They aren’t the hottest peppers in the world. But they are the hottest you can buy in most grocery stores. By comparison, jalapeños and even serrano peppers are mild.

No one eats them raw unless it’s a fraternity hazing or competitive eating event.

Some shithead probably wanted to fuck with and hurt some kids, like the freaks who put razor blades in apples on Halloween.

98 CuriousLurker  Apr 8, 2014 9:01:56pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

Somebody dropped their hotdog in the playground. It happens.

Habaneros are currently the 4th hottest peppers in existence.

At 100,000-350,000 Scoville heat units, they’re 10 times hotter than serrano peppers. They can make a grown man stupid enough to eat one on a dare puke and whimper like a little girl, so finding some on a kids’ playground would definitely be a hazard.

Youtube Video

Oh, and I actually read the article:

school employees found pieces of about six habanero peppers scattered in the wood chips around play equipment

No one puts half a dozen habaneros on their hotdog, but by all means go ahead and keep smirking about the seven kids that were sent to the hospital if that’s the sort of thing that gives you satisfaction.

99 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 8, 2014 9:05:01pm

re: #98 CuriousLurker

This is KT. He’s probably excited that someone, even kids, could get hurt. Just remember how happy he is every time he talks about people getting pepper sprayed.

100 Killgore Trout  Apr 8, 2014 9:07:26pm

re: #95 palomino

I’m looking on the bright side. Things could actually be WORSE.

Would you want to live in a monarchy?

Sorry, I thought that was a joke. I made the bottom comments list yesterday for insulting the Royal family in England and was informed they provide a great service and financial benefit to the UK economy.

101 Killgore Trout  Apr 8, 2014 9:07:56pm

Pepper outrage!

102 bratwurst  Apr 8, 2014 9:10:03pm

re: #97 palomino

They aren’t the hottest peppers in the world. But they are the hottest you can buy in most grocery stores. By comparison, jalapeños and even serrano peppers are mild.

No one eats them raw unless it’s a fraternity hazing or competitive eating event.

Some shithead probably wanted to fuck with and hurt some kids, like the freaks who put razor blades in apples on Halloween.

re: #98 CuriousLurker

Habaneros are currently the 4th hottest peppers in existence.

At 100,000-350,000 Scoville heat units, they’re 10 times hotter than serrano peppers. They can make a grown man stupid enough to eat one on a dare puke and whimper like a little girl, so finding some on a kids’ playground would definitely be a hazard.

[Embedded content]

Oh, and I actually read the article:

No one puts half a dozen habaneros on their hotdog, but by all means go ahead and keep smirking about the seven kids that were sent to the hospital if that’s the sort of thing that gives you satisfaction.

Can’t you people read? SOMEBODY DROPPED THEIR HOTDOG. IT HAPPENS. /

103 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 8, 2014 9:10:56pm

re: #99 William Barnett-Lewis

Ooh, KT has another defender.

Hint: Go back and read about OWS and when the kids at UC Davis got pepper sprayed. He _likes_ it when people get hurt. It’s even better if they’re vaguely leftist so he can appease the fear he has of the reds under his bed.

Never mind that he has no real clue what real left wing thinking is…

104 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 8, 2014 9:16:03pm

WaPo reporting that the Aussies have perhaps located the MH370 flight recorder.
washingtonpost.com

A Chinese vessel had earlier reported detecting pings from a flight recorder, but Australian officials were not ready to confirm the downed flight had been found.

Unless there’s been another airline crash in the South Indian Ocean, I’d say they’ve probably found MH370.

105 CuriousLurker  Apr 8, 2014 9:18:43pm

re: #99 William Barnett-Lewis

This is KT. He’s probably excited that someone, even kids, could get hurt. Just remember how happy he is every time he talks about people getting pepper sprayed.

He wants attention—negative or positive doesn’t seem to matter—and he gets it. As long as he keeps getting it, he’s not going to stop.

One of the things he counts on is that people will have knee-jerk reactions to whatever he posts without actually reading source, allowing him to make up whatever silly crap he wants and run with it, without anyone noticing.

It’s not adult behavior—it reminds me of the high school rebels & misfits who fancied themselves to be iconoclasts, but in actuality often turned out to be unhappy misanthropes with poor interpersonal skills.

106 klys  Apr 8, 2014 9:18:49pm

re: #104 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

WaPo reporting that the Aussies have perhaps located the MH370 flight recorder.
washingtonpost.com

A Chinese vessel had earlier reported detecting pings from a flight recorder, but Australian officials were not ready to confirm the downed flight had been found.

Unless there’s been another airline crash in the South Indian Ocean, I’d say they’ve probably found MH370.

Getting your news on MH370 from anywhere other than CNN? Shame on you.

///

They’re not ready to confirm it because they already had a signal once and then lost it again. Until they have photos and a fix on location, I think they’re making the prudent call.

107 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 8, 2014 9:19:46pm

re: #104 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

WaPo reporting that the Aussies have perhaps located the MH370 flight recorder.
washingtonpost.com

A Chinese vessel had earlier reported detecting pings from a flight recorder, but Australian officials were not ready to confirm the downed flight had been found.

Unless there’s been another airline crash in the South Indian Ocean, I’d say they’ve probably found MH370.

I hope they have and are able to recover it. That’s the only hope we have of any idea of what really happened. Especially the voice recorders…

It’s not going to be an easy salvage though. ~16,000 feet of water there, IIRC…

108 Chrysicat  Apr 8, 2014 9:21:22pm

re: #104 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

WaPo reporting that the Aussies have perhaps located the MH370 flight recorder.
washingtonpost.com

A Chinese vessel had earlier reported detecting pings from a flight recorder, but Australian officials were not ready to confirm the downed flight had been found.

Unless there’s been another airline crash in the South Indian Ocean, I’d say they’ve probably found MH370.

Too bad it’s so deep that it’s below the functional limit for submersible operation. It’s almost as though whoever was in command really did commit suicide in the way best calculated for suicide to never be provable.
Or it could just be Payne Stewart writ large, but that turn up the Straits of Malacca before turning south makes me think it was all human-controlled…

109 palomino  Apr 8, 2014 9:24:34pm

re: #100 Killgore Trout

Sorry, I thought that was a joke. I made the bottom comments list yesterday for insulting the Royal family in England and was informed they provide a great service and financial benefit to the UK economy.

Yeah, it was a joke. Supposed to be, anyway.

I agree with you on the British royal family. Monarchies in general represent a pre-Enlightenment way of thinking. And the British monarchy in particular is a totally useless and outdated institution. We fought a war to get away from them. And now we celebrate them as if they do anything of value or possess any relevance. They’re just reality stars with even more money and even stupider hats.

110 Kid A  Apr 8, 2014 9:24:35pm

111 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 8, 2014 9:25:39pm

re: #105 CuriousLurker

He wants attention—negative or positive doesn’t seem to matter—and he gets it. As long as he keeps getting it, he’s not going to stop.

One of the things he counts on is that people will have knee-jerk reactions to whatever he posts without actually reading source, allowing him to make up whatever silly crap he wants and run with it without anyone noticing.

It’s not adult behavior—it reminds me of the high school rebels & misfits who fancied themselves to be iconoclasts, but in actuality often turned out to be unhappy misanthropes with poor interpersonal skills.

I know - unfortunately, he’s a very successful troll against me. Possibly the only worse one I currently know is a troll on npr.org that uses the handle “Colt Call” - I call him baby horse - as only he is more guaranteed to get me to respond to his trolling comments. At least in the case of KT I can sometimes ignore his sad blather.

But when he wishes for children to be hurt? That crosses a line and i feel I have to say something.

Kyrie Eleison … Christe Eleison… Kyrie Eleison … :(

112 palomino  Apr 8, 2014 9:26:47pm

re: #99 William Barnett-Lewis

This is KT. He’s probably excited that someone, even kids, could get hurt. Just remember how happy he is every time he talks about people getting pepper sprayed.

Yeah, I still don’t see the enjoyment in watching actual people, unarmed at that, getting pepper sprayed.

This is why we have movies. We can see the violence (and sort of enjoy it) without any humans or animals being harmed in the process.

113 CuriousLurker  Apr 8, 2014 9:26:58pm

re: #102 bratwurst

Can’t you people read? SOMEBODY DROPPED THEIR HOTDOG. IT HAPPENS. /

Yes, well, he was just kidding about that too. He’s not the problem—it’s us and our lack of a sense of humor.

You see, instead of an “On/Off” switch, we lefties were apparently built with an “Outrage/Off” switch, rendering us incapable of seeing the B.S. and coolly & rationally assessing current events the way KT does.

114 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 8, 2014 9:27:03pm

re: #102 bratwurst

Can’t you people read? SOMEBODY DROPPED THEIR HOTDOG. IT HAPPENS. /

EDIT: This is directed for KT, not bratwurst. I hit “quote” on the wrong post.

Where are you reading this at? You keep screaming “SOMEBODY DROPPED THEIR HOTDOG”, but could you provide a link or source on this? The last report I saw, dated about 30 minutes ago, said that they had no idea, and that there were 6 peppers. A bit much for a dog I think.

So, as they say, [citation needed].

RBS

115 Chrysicat  Apr 8, 2014 9:28:31pm

re: #114 RealityBasedSteve

Where are you reading this at? You keep screaming “SOMEBODY DROPPED THEIR HOTDOG”, but could you provide a link or source on this? The last report I saw, dated about 30 minutes ago, said that they had no idea, and that there were 6 peppers. A bit much for a dog I think.

So, as they say, [citation needed].

RBS

Ummm…that’s KT’s argument as to why it’s a non-story—overzealous principal and reporter…

116 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 8, 2014 9:28:34pm

re: #106 klys

Getting your news on MH370 from anywhere other than CNN? Shame on you.

My Chinese I Ching diviner is on vacation. I usually consult her when I figure CNN is unreliable.
//

117 bratwurst  Apr 8, 2014 9:29:31pm

re: #114 RealityBasedSteve

Where are you reading this at? You keep screaming “SOMEBODY DROPPED THEIR HOTDOG”, but could you provide a link or source on this? The last report I saw, dated about 30 minutes ago, said that they had no idea, and that there were 6 peppers. A bit much for a dog I think.

So, as they say, [citation needed].

RBS

You must have missed my sarc tag.

Of course, the individual who introduced the story to this thread (without, apparently, having read it himself) didn’t use one.

Go figure.

118 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 8, 2014 9:29:50pm

re: #115 Chrysicat

Ummm…that’s KT’s argument as to why it’s a non-story—overzealous principal and reporter…

Yah… I just realized that after I click “POST” I had grabbed the wrong post to quote… My Comments are directed to KT

RBS

119 palomino  Apr 8, 2014 9:30:10pm

re: #105 CuriousLurker

He wants attention—negative or positive doesn’t seem to matter—and he gets it. As long as he keeps getting it, he’s not going to stop.

One of the things he counts on is that people will have knee-jerk reactions to whatever he posts without actually reading source, allowing him to make up whatever silly crap he wants and run with it without anyone noticing.

It’s not adult behavior—it reminds me of the high school rebels & misfits who fancied themselves to be iconoclasts, but in actuality often turned out to be unhappy misanthropes with poor interpersonal skills.

But then occasionally he sounds like a decent thoughtful human being.

However, there’s no question he loves stirring the pot. Like a kid in school always goofing for attention.

120 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 8, 2014 9:31:36pm

re: #117 bratwurst

You must have missed my sarc tag.

Of course, the individual who introduced the story to this thread (without, apparently, having read it himself) didn’t use one.

Go figure.

Ya… I grabbed the wrong post to quote, I’ve used the magic pencil on mine to indicate my mistake. Not casting asparagus at you.

RBS

121 palomino  Apr 8, 2014 9:33:42pm

re: #100 Killgore Trout

Sorry, I thought that was a joke. I made the bottom comments list yesterday for insulting the Royal family in England and was informed they provide a great service and financial benefit to the UK economy.

You make the bottom comments list EVERY day.

Come on, just admit it, you like that kind of attention. It’s not the worst thing in the world. Monarchies are definitely much worse.

122 CuriousLurker  Apr 8, 2014 9:37:11pm

re: #105 CuriousLurker

He wants attention—negative or positive doesn’t seem to matter—and he gets it. As long as he keeps getting it, he’s not going to stop.

One of the things he counts on is that people will have knee-jerk reactions to whatever he posts without actually reading source, allowing him to make up whatever silly crap he wants and run with it, without anyone noticing.

It’s not adult behavior—it reminds me of the high school rebels & misfits who fancied themselves to be iconoclasts, but in actuality often turned out to be unhappy misanthropes with poor interpersonal skills.

Ming, would you care to point out which part of the above you disagree with or think is untrue?

123 Killgore Trout  Apr 8, 2014 9:37:31pm

re: #109 palomino

Yeah, it was a joke. Supposed to be, anyway.

I agree with you on the British royal family. Monarchies in general represent a pre-Enlightenment way of thinking. And the British monarchy in particular is a totally useless and outdated institution. We fought a war to get away from them. And now we celebrate them as if they do anything of value or possess any relevance. They’re just reality stars with even more money and even stupider hats.

I hadn’t really thought about monarchy until my scolding the other night. I checked the spurious claims about the economic befits of Royals which ended up being untrue. In fact the Brits have taken measures in recent years to start cutting the purse strings of the Royal family and can finally audit their expenses. Their absurdly lavish lifestyles won’t last much longer.

124 goddamnedfrank  Apr 8, 2014 9:41:42pm

re: #100 Killgore Trout

Sorry, I thought that was a joke. I made the bottom comments list yesterday for insulting the Royal family in England and was informed they provide a great service and financial benefit to the UK economy.

No, you made the bottom comments for acting like a smarmy prick in response to an informative answer.

125 Killgore Trout  Apr 8, 2014 9:42:11pm

re: #121 palomino

You make the bottom comments list EVERY day.

Come on, just admit it, you like that kind of attention.

Not really, it gets tiresome. Sometimes it’s funny when it’s something as absurd as questioning the inherent awesomeness of monarchy but it’s sad sometimes to see facts, corrections and honest opinions on the bottom comments list. When it comes to things like outrage over peppers it’s just boring. Tomorrow it’ll be bananas, then it’ll be cars, then a tv show. The constant anger and outrage just becomes a blur after a while.

126 TedStriker  Apr 8, 2014 9:42:13pm

re: #1 Skip Intro

Are you fucking kidding me?

Change >all my login ids and >all my passwords?

So much for the pain in the ass of using Lastpass. It was totally worthless.

It’s not LastPass’ fault that OpenSSL was compromised; hell, if anything, using a password manager like LastPass makes the job of going through and updating all of your passwords much, much easier. Let’s be honest here: most people, even those who use password managers such as LastPass, 1Password, and others, don’t update all of their passwords often enough.

I’ve used LastPass for 3+ years, have never had a problem with it, and appreciate the fact that they’re usually on top of stuff like this.

127 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 8, 2014 9:42:29pm

re: #111 William Barnett-Lewis

Thank you Ming. I hope you’re starting to see how he has been behaving here. For all the good links he brings, of late he’s got a dozen other moments of pure trolling. I, at least, get very tired of the post-OWS KT, especially when I remember what he was like before OWS.

128 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 8, 2014 9:43:49pm

re: #125 Killgore Trout

Tiresome? smh

Try stopping the trolling for a change. You might enjoy it here a bit more.

129 palomino  Apr 8, 2014 9:45:44pm

re: #123 Killgore Trout

I hadn’t really thought about monarchy until my scolding the other night. I checked the spurious claims about the economic befits of Royals which ended up being untrue. In fact the Brits have taken measures in recent years to start cutting the purse strings of the Royal family and can finally audit their expenses. Their absurdly lavish lifestyles won’t last much longer.

I think even the Brits are tiring of it. Polls show a surprisingly high percent of the population there is indifferent or even opposed to the continued existence, pomp, and pageantry of the House of Windsor.

130 Chrysicat  Apr 8, 2014 9:55:42pm

re: #129 palomino

I think even the Brits are tiring of it. Polls show a surprisingly high percent of the population there is indifferent or even opposed to the continued existence, pomp, and pageantry of the House of Windsor.

Honestly, how is their pomp and pageantry any different than the modern Presidency’s?

Except that since they’re only heads of state and not of government, they might be able to take a little of the heat off their head of government…

If you could reduce the President to ‘just the first citizen’ again, it might make sense to condemn other countries’ royalty. But as long as both sitting and former Presidents need to be treated like royalty because if they don’t someone will take advantage of the lapse-of-security to eliminate them… :-(

131 jaunte  Apr 8, 2014 9:56:45pm

re: #125 Killgore Trout

When it comes to things like outrage over peppers it’s just boring.

You posted it.

132 The War TARDIS  Apr 8, 2014 9:57:57pm

OT, but this guy got an article on Wikipedia:

Aníbal Milhais

Milhais found himself in the midst of the battle of La Lys, in the field of Isberg, covering the withdrawal of Portuguese and Scottish soldiers. Within a few hours 1,938 men were killed, 5,198 wounded and about 7,000 taken prisoners. Despite the disaster, many Portuguese soldiers showed extraordinary bravery, including Milhais, known as Soldier Millions. Milhais was in charge of one of their Lewis guns on 9 April 1918. During “Operation Georgette”, when the German Army attacked his division, Milhais stood up with his Lewis machine gun and defeated, almost single handedly, two German assaults by laying down intense fire, leaving hundreds of Germans dead. He managed to cover the retreat of Portuguese and Scots alike despite coming under heavy attack himself. He fired in all directions and stayed at his post until he ran out of ammunition. His bravery under severe circumstances managed to convince the Germans that they were up against a fortified unit rather than just a single Portuguese soldier with a machine gun. Finally, the Germans decided to go around and Milhais found himself alone in the rear of the enemy lines where he stayed for three days almost without eating or drinking.

On the third day, Milhais, still carrying his Lewis, rescued a Scottish major from a swamp and the two reached Allied lines. Milhais was warmly welcomed but did not say anything about his experiences. It was through the officer he had helped reporting the story to the British HQ and several other testimonies that his deeds become known.

A few months later, Milhais again held back the Germans, standing alone with his Lewis gun and allowing a Belgian unit to retreat safely to a secondary trench without casualties. Both the British observers present in the scene and the Belgian commander included his action in their reports. Milhais was awarded the highest distinction of the Portuguese: the Order of the Sword and Tower and with the French Légion d’Honneur delivered on the battlefield before 15,000 allied soldiers. The bravery of Milhais in the battle of La Lys earned him the 4th Class of the Order of Tower and Sword of Value, Loyalty and Merit, the highest Portuguese decoration. The degree of “Knight of the Order of Military Tower and Sword” was created by Afonso V, later annulled, and later restored by King John VI, to reward “the value, the Loyalty and Merit”.

On July 15, 1918, the Order of Service of the Battalion published a commendation, given by Major Ferreira do Amaral, which described his action as having been worth a million men, hence the nickname by which he became known.

Holy freaking hell!

133 CuriousLurker  Apr 8, 2014 9:58:03pm

re: #125 Killgore Trout

Not really, it gets tiresome. Sometimes it’s funny when it’s something as absurd as questioning the inherent awesomeness of monarchy but it’s sad sometimes to see facts, corrections and honest opinions on the bottom comments list. When it comes to things like outrage over peppers it’s just boring. Tomorrow it’ll be bananas, then it’ll be cars, then a tv show. The constant anger and outrage just becomes a blur after a while.

LOL, oh that is rich. You purposely manufacture the outrage. You posted a link to a story where children ended up in the hospital, and then followed it up with a sarcastic remark about how, “Somebody dropped their hotdog in the playground. It happens.”.

A few comments later, after several people have calmly pointed out how dangerous habanaero peppers can be, you triumphantly crow, “Pepper outrage!”.

Bravo! Who’s the performance art for?

134 The War TARDIS  Apr 8, 2014 9:58:30pm

re: #129 palomino

Britain is a total mess right now.

135 Chrysicat  Apr 8, 2014 9:59:18pm

re: #134 The War TARDIS

Britain is a total mess right now.

Are they going to lose Scotland, thus making a bigger one?

136 palomino  Apr 8, 2014 9:59:29pm

re: #125 Killgore Trout

Not really, it gets tiresome. Sometimes it’s funny when it’s something as absurd as questioning the inherent awesomeness of monarchy but it’s sad sometimes to see facts, corrections and honest opinions on the bottom comments list. When it comes to things like outrage over peppers it’s just boring. Tomorrow it’ll be bananas, then it’ll be cars, then a tv show. The constant anger and outrage just becomes a blur after a while.

The peppers thing may sound like a joke. But it’s not. Raw fresh Habaneros have so much capsicum (or capsaicin or whatever it is) that they are actually dangerous. Especially for dumb little kids who put everything in their mouth or their little sister’s hair and eyes.

Habanero “juice” is one of the main ingredients in organic pesticides. I use non-organic, non-lethal spray made from similar peppers to keep the squirrels from building houses (or nests?…whatever you call them) under the roof overhang on our house. I’m too much of a bleeding heart to shoot a squirrel just because he’s trying to live his life. But when they make noise I’ll tell the little varmints, “Get off my lawn and stop crawling up the side of my house.” And the way I “tell” them is with very hot pepper spray. You don’t have to spray it on them, just near where they build their cute little (but very noisy) vacation homes. They get the message and usually move next door.

137 The War TARDIS  Apr 8, 2014 10:02:53pm

re: #135 Chrysicat

Not looking out of the realm of possibility anymore. And considering the Main Labour under Miliband has said they will continue many of the austerity policies, along with the rising popularity of the UKIP, I think that if Scotland wants to keep the health care system, among most everything else, they should think about leaving.

Besides, the Nordic Council has said they would accept them immediately. And from that, there has been talk of a Nordic Union sometime in the next century.

138 Killgore Trout  Apr 8, 2014 10:04:09pm

re: #129 palomino

I think even the Brits are tiring of it. Polls show a surprisingly high percent of the population there is indifferent or even opposed to the continued existence, pomp, and pageantry of the House of Windsor.

One of my guilty pleasures is a UK TV show called “Country House Rescue” where they take these huge country estates/castles, renovate them and make them financially stable businesses hosting weddings, making them tourist attractions, etc. I find the history, construction, restoration stuff interesting but I think the Brits like it because you get to see these families, who in some cases haven’t had to seek employment in several hundred years, working to give tours, serve snacks to tourists and guide children on scavenger hunts.
But the Brits are still a very class conscious society. The locals will volunteer to work for free in the estate and they’re often outright giddy to meet the lord or lady of the manor. It’s an odd relationship with their aristocracy.

139 palomino  Apr 8, 2014 10:04:30pm

re: #130 Chrysicat

Honestly, how is their pomp and pageantry any different than the modern Presidency’s?

Except that since they’re only heads of state and not of government, they might be able to take a little of the heat off their head of government…

If you could reduce the President to ‘just the first citizen’ again, it might make sense to condemn other countries’ royalty. But as long as both sitting and former Presidents need to be treated like royalty because if they don’t someone will take advantage of the lapse-of-security to eliminate them… :-(

Two things bug me about it. One, the presidency is earned and only for a short, clearly defined term. The royals, OTOH, didn’t work their way up to royals, they just won the genetic lottery.

Second, royal families perpetuate a class system that should be abolished everywhere. And they maintain their status for life, regardless of what they do. It’s all based on ancient notions of “divine right of kings”, which is inherently discriminatory towards the 99% of the population without noble blood.

140 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 8, 2014 10:11:15pm

re: #139 palomino

It’s funny but as a socialist it’s humorous to see others perpetuate the biggest mistake we ever made - that you can do away with class, class envy and class warfare overnight. Here’s a hint - you can’t change human behavior. What you can do is direct it with carrots & sticks. Over a long enough period of time that _may_ create an evolutionary pressure but we humans have not been “civilized” long enough to know for sure. Even lactose tolerance is older than civilization for purposes of evolution.

141 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 8, 2014 10:11:38pm

Good night all. Don’t let the trolls bite.

142 palomino  Apr 8, 2014 10:16:40pm

re: #140 William Barnett-Lewis

It’s funny but as a socialist it’s humorous to see others perpetuate the biggest mistake we ever made - that you can do away with class, class envy and class warfare overnight. Here’s a hint - you can’t change human behavior. What you can do is direct it with carrots & sticks. Over a long enough period of time that _may_ create an evolutionary pressure but we humans have not been “civilized” long enough to know for sure. Even lactose tolerance is older than civilization for purposes of evolution.

I think it was Warren Buffet who said, “Of course there’s class warfare in America. And my side’s winning, like we always have.”

He didn’t say this to be an arrogant dick. Instead he said it as a corrective response to the other uber-wealthy and many conservatives who see themselves as the victims of a class war unfairly waged by poor, working and middle class Americans. Buffet knows that’s Fox/Limbaugh/WSJ bullshit.

143 CuriousLurker  Apr 8, 2014 10:17:21pm

I’m leaving too, but before I go…

Patch Tuesday April 2014 - XP’s last breath
by Chester Wisniewski on April 9, 2014

There has been an unusual amount of drama leading up to Patch Tuesday April 2014. If you listen to the media you might believe we are on the precipice of an apocalypse, overreacting to nothing or anything in between.

The reality first and foremost is that it is just another important day to apply patches. Microsoft released four patches fixing 11 vulnerabilities in Windows, Internet Explorer, Microsoft Word and Microsoft Publisher. […]

WinXP outrage!

Later, lizards.

144 TedStriker  Apr 8, 2014 10:18:54pm

re: #132 The War TARDIS

OT, but this guy got an article on Wikipedia:

Aníbal Milhais

Holy freaking hell!

Balls of solid brass the size of bowling balls, that one.

145 freetoken  Apr 8, 2014 10:49:51pm

Tonight’s educational material, courtesy of your government, from 1951, to help you survive:

Youtube Video

146 Single-handed sailor  Apr 8, 2014 11:01:52pm
147 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 8, 2014 11:05:10pm

WaPo graphic showing the estimated depth of the MH370 airliner. Much further down than even the Titanic. Pressure = 6,680 psi, and needless to say, no sunlight.

apps.washingtonpost.com

It’s been 33 days since the jet disappeared, and the flight recorder batteries can last about 30 days, so it’s a race against time.

148 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 8, 2014 11:10:38pm

Sad news for fans who grew up on 80s wrestling: The Ultimate Warrior aka Jim Hellwig passed away today.

I don’t have a link but it’s been confirmed by multiple sources.

149 freetoken  Apr 9, 2014 12:03:01am

re: #148 Eclectic Cyborg

tmz.com

He had a rather strange and borderline disturbed personality, given what he has written the past few years.

Still, he dies the night after his return to the main stage at WWE after years of being estranged. Ironic.

150 freetoken  Apr 9, 2014 2:19:07am
151 Lidane  Apr 9, 2014 3:10:13am

re: #125 Killgore Trout

I’m not surprised that you sneer and laugh about elementary school kids getting sent to the hospital by raw habanero peppers. It goes hand in hand with your near-sexual fetish for people being pepper sprayed and assaulted if they step out of line.

I guess those kids at school must have done something horrible to deserve it. Right?

152 Lidane  Apr 9, 2014 3:12:35am
153 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 9, 2014 3:35:50am

re: #139 palomino

Second, royal families perpetuate a class system that should be abolished everywhere. And they maintain their status for life, regardless of what they do. It’s all based on ancient notions of “divine right of kings”, which is inherently discriminatory towards the 99% of the population without noble blood.

I remember the 2011 London riots: lower-class people going out and demolishing stuff, to be paid for by taxpayers and insurance policyholders.

Meanwhile, it comes out that David Cameron, the Tory leader, was a member of an Oxford “Dining Club” that used to go out and trash restaurants for fun and then have mummy and daddy pick up the bill for it…

Whenever these guys complain about “parasites” it is particularly hypocritical.

154 Timothy Watson  Apr 9, 2014 3:36:06am

re: #125 Killgore Trout

Hey KT, out of curiosity, have you ever been exposed to pepper spray? I’m going to wager: no.

As someone that has (as part of training at my current job): screw you.

155 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 9, 2014 3:39:09am

re: #125 Killgore Trout

Not really, it gets tiresome. Sometimes it’s funny when it’s something as absurd as questioning the inherent awesomeness of monarchy but it’s sad sometimes to see facts, corrections and honest opinions on the bottom comments list. When it comes to things like outrage over peppers it’s just boring. Tomorrow it’ll be bananas, then it’ll be cars, then a tv show. The constant anger and outrage just becomes a blur after a while.

It’s really amazing how you continually wonder how acting like a complete douchebag gets you treated like a douchebag. I wonder.

Or maybe if you didn’t show obvious contempt for everyone else here, people wouldn’t treat you like you’re an arrogant asshole.

Just spitballin’ here.

156 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 9, 2014 3:54:01am
157 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 9, 2014 4:01:29am

re: #156 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Image: jbbNHjmtxG0kMG.jpg

fame can be monetized

158 Justanotherhuman  Apr 9, 2014 4:14:54am
159 Justanotherhuman  Apr 9, 2014 4:51:39am

Reason # beyond counting why women should ignore culture that sees them as nothing more than baby machines.

Prosecutors file charges against mom who drove kids into ocean

news-journalonline.com

What kind of despair made this woman, mother of 3 and pregnant again, drive her van with her screaming kids into the ocean?

It wasn’t a sane outlook on her life or that of her kids. I’d almost bet hers is a religious household or she grew up that way since she claims to have heard “demonic voices” telling her what to do.

This same woman was involved in a fatal car crash in 2007. I expect she is one of many who “slip through the system” and don’t get the mental health treatment they need. It doesn’t appear she was treated very well by the father of her kids, either.

heavy.com

160 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 9, 2014 5:02:23am

re: #159 Justanotherhuman

look at her color and her class. case closed.

/

161 Justanotherhuman  Apr 9, 2014 5:03:14am

Check out her VK (VKontakte) page before it disappears, also.

vk.com

162 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 9, 2014 5:04:01am

re: #161 Justanotherhuman

moar sexy babez w/gunz!!!

163 Justanotherhuman  Apr 9, 2014 5:07:04am

Odd way of translating “hipsters” into “intelligentsia”. They just look like young people everywhere.

164 Justanotherhuman  Apr 9, 2014 5:07:30am

re: #162 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

moar sexy babez w/gunz!!!

I was thinking more like, “Tea Party”.

165 ObserverArt  Apr 9, 2014 5:22:46am

I had given up on Morning Joke, but I left my TV on MSNBC from Lawrence O’Donnell last evening, and when I turned it on this morning, Joke was up.

He was upset that Obama had the Women’s Equal Pay Day and had taken something important and politicized it to turn it into a bash-fest of the Republican’s. He was upset that because he said Obama knows the bill he signed will never go through the house and all it does is paint the Republicans in bad light in a important election year. Really Joe?

Ha!

He failed to mention that the entire time Obama has been in office the Republicans have politicized absolutely everything and have bashed Obama daily for political gain. The big difference? The Republicans do it everyday, every year…not just in election years. And, they do not seem to gain. I guess Joe is pissed because Obama is using it to give Democrats talking points for mid-term elections. Joe must think Obama shouldn’t be such a good politician, or something.

Joe, you reminded me why you are a complete ass and a piss-poor Republican excuse maker. May your ratings tank to the point you get booted from the show. Maybe it will be renamed Morning with Mika. But, hey…thanks for the reminder that you suck and there is no reason to watch.

166 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 9, 2014 5:26:43am

I see in this morning’s update stream for Xubuntu 12.04 are new builds of OpenSSL & OpenSSL Client. Gee I wonder why those are there?

167 Justanotherhuman  Apr 9, 2014 5:29:57am

Someone went berserk at Franklin Regional High School in Murrysville, Pa

7 patients, ranging from ages 15-60, being sent to Forbes Regional Hospital after high school stabbing; 1 additional patient being sent to another hospital, Allegheny Health Network media relations director says - @NBCNews
end of alert

168 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 9, 2014 5:31:17am

re: #167 Justanotherhuman

Someone went berserk at Franklin Regional High School in Murrysville, Pa

7 patients, ranging from ages 15-60, being sent to Forbes Regional Hospital after high school stabbing; 1 additional patient being sent to another hospital, Allegheny Health Network media relations director says - @NBCNews
end of alert

Reports say 10 now.

169 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 9, 2014 5:33:42am

re: #167 Justanotherhuman

Someone went berserk at Franklin Regional High School in Murrysville, Pa

7 patients, ranging from ages 15-60, being sent to Forbes Regional Hospital after high school stabbing; 1 additional patient being sent to another hospital, Allegheny Health Network media relations director says - @NBCNews
end of alert

#tcot is on it:

170 b.d.  Apr 9, 2014 5:35:09am

re: #169 Pie-onist Overlord

#tcot is on it:

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And attached to the FoxNews version of the story, how fitting.

171 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 9, 2014 5:44:02am

I think PETA is really seekritly funded by the meat processing industry. Whenever I am contemplating taking a vegetarian lifestyle, they do some really stupid shit and then I crave a burger.

172 Romantic Heretic  Apr 9, 2014 5:52:48am

re: #134 The War TARDIS

Britain is a total mess right now.

They’ve got Conservatives running the place so that’s not a big surprise. Canada’s in rather a mess as well, and oddly enough, we’ve got Conservatives running our country also.

173 GunstarGreen  Apr 9, 2014 5:55:05am

Couple of takeaways from this:

1) This is why you do not use password aggregators like LastPass or its similars. An attacker only has to crack one link to get everything that you have.

2) Nothing is private on the internet. Nothing. It is not possible to stop data from being leaked. All it takes is time and dedication, and if the data is at all important, SOMEONE out there has the time and dedication.

3) Incidents like this are why we cannot allow companies to continue being lax about their security. The state of financial transaction cards (credit/debit) in the US is abysmal. For far too long we have allowed companies to be lazy about security and assume that passwords are enough. They are not. We are way, WAY past due for major security technology upgrades when it comes to dealing with sensitive information. The Invisible Hand doesn’t do anything until it gets stung by a large enough wasp, and that’s not good enough.

174 Dr Lizardo  Apr 9, 2014 6:00:42am

re: #171 Pie-onist Overlord

I think PETA is really seekritly funded by the meat processing industry. Whenever I am contemplating taking a vegetarian lifestyle, they do some really stupid shit and then I crave a burger.

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PETA: Brought to you by the National Cattlemen’s Beef Association!

175 GunstarGreen  Apr 9, 2014 6:01:36am

re: #169 Pie-onist Overlord

#tcot is on it:

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I’d say there’s a point to be made about how many mass shootings we’ve had this year compared to how many mass stabbings we’ve had in the past decade, but we all know that nuance is not a concept that teadiots can handle.

176 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 9, 2014 6:02:22am

Injury count in school stabbing has gone up to 20…

177 b.d.  Apr 9, 2014 6:03:49am

I don’t know why I went and looked at the Free Republic thread on the horrific stabbing.

They are convinced that it is an African American kid or a muslim.
No shortage of snide remarks and people pretending they are John Wayne.
Why did I look?

178 Romantic Heretic  Apr 9, 2014 6:04:47am

re: #139 palomino

Second, royal families perpetuate a class system that should be abolished everywhere. And they maintain their status for life, regardless of what they do. It’s all based on ancient notions of “divine right of kings”, which is inherently discriminatory towards the 99% of the population without noble blood.

The real problem is that human beings are much more comfortable with a heavy class system than with a democracy/meritocracy. Our instincts are still those of apes. Apes organize themselves into troops, do what the alphas of the troop tell them to do and some conspire to become alphas themselves.

Democracy is a very complicated way of determining who the alphas are. This is the central problem of democracy. It requires constant thought and care, and despite the scientific name we’ve given our species, most humans don’t really care much for constant thought.

Alphas don’t care much for democracy for much the same reason. In a democracy alphas have to work all the time to maintain their position, and they could still fail. Under authoritarian systems alphas pretty much just have to show up to get their alpha power. This, to me, explains the Tea Party and their backers. They were people who used to just have to show up and now they might actually have to work to keep their power.

Democracy is unnatural which is both its strength and its weakness.

179 lawhawk  Apr 9, 2014 6:06:29am

re: #176 NJDhockeyfan

Stabbing rampage started as students were arriving. One student pulled a fire alarm once they saw what was happening, alerting authorities.

Not good at all, but the assailant is now in custody, so we’ll get some idea why he went on the rampage.

Thoughts and prayers to the families of those injured in the attacks (the injured range in age from 14 to 17). Four of those attacked were in serious enough condition to require airlifting to hospital in critical condition.

More details:

The injured students’ ages range from 14 to 17. Students are being treated at Allegheny General Hospital, Forbes Regional, UPMC East and UPMC Presbyterian.

Just before 7:15 a.m., a school resource officer asked for medical assistance at the school for a stabbing. The students were injured in several classrooms and in the hallways before the classes started, Mr. Stevens said.

Parents of the injured students are being contacted. Parents of other students are asked to go to Heritage Elementary, also in Murrysville, to pick up their children.

Police, emergency crews and school buses lined the entrance to the school this morning. A stretcher was loaded into an ambulance around 8:15 a.m.

180 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 9, 2014 6:07:41am

re: #179 lawhawk

Stabbing rampage started as students were arriving. One student pulled a fire alarm once they saw what was happening, alerting authorities.

Not good at all, but the assailant is now in custody, so we’ll get some idea why he went on the rampage.

Thoughts and prayers to the families of those injured in the attacks (the injured range in age from 14 to 17). Four of those attacked were in serious enough condition to require airlifting to hospital in critical condition.

SMH

181 Romantic Heretic  Apr 9, 2014 6:08:18am

re: #132 The War TARDIS

OT, but this guy got an article on Wikipedia:

Aníbal Milhais

Holy freaking hell!

More of the same.

182 Lidane  Apr 9, 2014 6:12:17am

re: #177 b.d.

I don’t know why I went and looked at the Free Republic thread on the horrific stabbing.

They are convinced that it is an African American kid or a muslim.
No shortage of snide remarks and people pretending they are John Wayne.
Why did I look?

Watch them immediately start crying about lone wolves and how mental health in this country is a travesty because Obamacare if that kid ends up being white.

183 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 9, 2014 6:19:42am

re: #180 Pie-onist Overlord

SMH

Prez Stompy Foot has likely not considered the advisability of shooting at a perp while in a crowded high school hallway.

Perps don’t always stop bullets.

Someone else could get in the way.

A bullet can ricochet and hit an unintended target.

If I am not mistaken, in such situations, cops are taught not to fire at perps.

Such nuance is beyond most gun nuts, though.

184 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 9, 2014 6:22:42am

re: #183 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Prez Stompy Foot has likely not considered the advisability of shooting at a perp while in a crowded high school hallway.

Perps don’t always stop bullets.

Someone else could get in the way.

A bullet can ricochet and hit an unintended target.

If I am not mistaken, in such situations, cops are taught not to fire at perps.

Such nuance is beyond most gun nuts, though.

HURR HURR U COMMUNIST AGAINST ARE FREEDUMBZ!!!!!!

185 Lidane  Apr 9, 2014 6:23:03am

re: #183 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Such nuance is beyond most gun nuts, though.

They all believe their gun porn fan fiction which tells them that being armed automatically makes a person a highly trained crack shot that can miraculously shoot the right person at the right time in the right place and be the hero of the story. It never occurs to them that any other outcome is even possible.

186 GunstarGreen  Apr 9, 2014 6:23:38am

re: #183 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Prez Stompy Foot has likely not considered the advisability of shooting at a perp while in a crowded high school hallway.

Perps don’t always stop bullets.

Someone else could get in the way.

A bullet can ricochet and hit an unintended target.

If I am not mistaken, in such situations, cops are taught not to fire at perps.

Such nuance is beyond most gun nuts, though.

Nah, fuggadaboutit. Don’t let silly things like ‘physics’ or ‘crowds’ stop them from fantasizing about school teachers shooting students in the face.

187 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 9, 2014 6:24:02am
188 b.d.  Apr 9, 2014 6:24:26am

re: #183 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Prez Stompy Foot has likely not considered the advisability of shooting at a perp while in a crowded high school hallway.

Perps don’t always stop bullets.

Someone else could get in the way.

A bullet can ricochet and hit an unintended target.

If I am not mistaken, in such situations, cops are taught not to fire at perps.

Such nuance is beyond most gun nuts, though.

IF THE TEACHERS AND JANITORS HAD WHIPS THEY COULD HAVE SNAPPED THAT KNIFE RIGHT OUT OF THAT GUY’S HANDS

189 b.d.  Apr 9, 2014 6:29:02am

“I was a voice for hire, and a misinformed one,” says Kate Mulgrew, famous as Star Trek: Voyager’s Captain Kathryn Janeway. Mulgrew narrates an upcoming documentary that argues that Earth is the center of the universe and the sun rotates around it

cnn.com

190 Political Atheist  Apr 9, 2014 6:42:18am

re: #185 Lidane

With each deadly tragedy we get the critics of one variety or the other each with the most improbable two conclusions-One the a gun surely would have helped and then that it could not possibly help.

I have learned to mostly tune both out.

Neither dare admit the chaotic reality that violence brings.

191 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2014 6:42:47am

Also happening in Pennsylvania this morning:

192 lawhawk  Apr 9, 2014 6:42:54am

I’m shocked. Shocked that there’s hypocrisy running around in GOP supporter circles:

193 darthstar  Apr 9, 2014 6:49:40am

Fuckin’ Vox…Good morning everyone. I accidentally read a link to a vox.com article on the Heartbleed bug in OpenSSL. The first four paragraphs were good straight-up reporting. And then it dove into Greenwaldia.

We know that the National Security Agency has secret agreements with American telecommunications providers to tap into the Internet backbone. Users might have thought that the SSL encryption on websites such as Gmail and Facebook protected them from this kind of snooping. But the Heartbleed bug could allow the NSA to obtain the private keys needed to unscramble these private communications.

We don’t know for sure, but it wouldn’t be surprising if the NSA discovered the Heartbleed vulnerability before the general public did.

194 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 9, 2014 6:49:44am

Well, this is not good.

195 darthstar  Apr 9, 2014 6:50:29am

re: #194 Pie-onist Overlord

Well, this is not good.

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The new Hunger Games Catching Fire limited edition Yukon?

196 Kilroy01  Apr 9, 2014 7:00:08am

re: #194 Pie-onist Overlord

GM claims to be test marketing a 7 passenger stove.

197 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 9, 2014 7:00:49am

re: #194 Pie-onist Overlord

Did GM timewarp some of the American rocket engineers from the 1950s for the Yukon design?

198 makeitstop  Apr 9, 2014 7:02:05am

‘Morning, Lizards,

My wife passed this on to me. It may give some false positives, but may come in handy as a testing tool.

Heartbleed Test

199 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 9, 2014 7:04:12am

re: #189 b.d.

“I was a voice for hire, and a misinformed one,” says Kate Mulgrew, famous as Star Trek: Voyager’s Captain Kathryn Janeway. Mulgrew narrates an upcoming documentary that argues that Earth is the center of the universe and the sun rotates around it

cnn.com

Similar complaints were made by the experts quoted in the Expelled and the What the Bleep Do We Know? “documentaries.” Film makers are not always entirely honest about their intentions.

200 GunstarGreen  Apr 9, 2014 7:06:28am

re: #199 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Similar complaints were made by the experts quoted in the Expelled and the What the Bleep Do We Know? “documentaries.” Film makers are not always entirely honest about their intentions.

In a shocking turn of events, anti-science bullshit has to resort to deceit and trickery to get any sort of reputable voice on its side.

201 HappyWarrior  Apr 9, 2014 7:07:12am

re: #185 Lidane

They all believe their gun porn fan fiction which tells them that being armed automatically makes a person a highly trained crack shot that can miraculously shoot the right person at the right time in the right place and be the hero of the story. It never occurs to them that any other outcome is even possible.

As I recall, there was someone with a gun at the Giffords shooting in Tucson. The guy immediately realized that it would have made things even worse to pull it out. That’s what the gun fuckers don’t get. An already chaotic situation is going to be made dozen times more chaotic by some fuckwit pulling a gun out.

202 Bulworth  Apr 9, 2014 7:07:12am
@AdamSerwer @binarybits Would have been better without the Greenwaldish NSA paranoia in the middle. Reporting vs. Speculation #NewMedia
— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) April 9, 2014

Yeah but it would be irresponsible not to speculate, etc.

/

203 Dark_Falcon  Apr 9, 2014 7:13:57am

re: #183 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Prez Stompy Foot has likely not considered the advisability of shooting at a perp while in a crowded high school hallway.

Perps don’t always stop bullets.

Someone else could get in the way.

A bullet can ricochet and hit an unintended target.

If I am not mistaken, in such situations, cops are taught not to fire at perps.

Such nuance is beyond most gun nuts, though.

You are mistaken: If a situation where someone is just attacking at random, police are taught to eliminate the threat quickly. If they have a reasonably clean shot they’ll take it.

204 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 9, 2014 7:14:46am

Wingnut/Dudebro Convergence

205 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 9, 2014 7:16:53am

Where do Wingnut statistics come from?
Between their butt cheeks.

206 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 9, 2014 7:18:07am

re: #201 HappyWarrior

As I recall, there was someone with a gun at the Giffords shooting in Tucson. The guy immediately realized that it would have made things even worse to pull it out. That’s what the gun fuckers don’t get. An already chaotic situation is going to be made dozen times more chaotic by some fuckwit pulling a gun out.

TV and movies give the wrong impression. They are fiction, but gun nuts don’t discriminate reality from fantasy that well.

For example, I watching an NCIS: Los Angeles episode recently. The perp in this case was a vet with PTSD and was going to blow himself and the people around him up. The trigger was in his right hand. Agent Kenzie was in front of him, and Agents G and Sam behind him. Sam yelled, “Kenzie, elbow!” and crackshot Kenzie fires her handgun, neatly disabling (but not destroying) perp’s right arm. No BOOM.

Un real is tic.

But it saves the heroes from having to kill a veteran with PTSD, because that would be a major bummer. In real life, those agents would have shot first, and talked later. But that doesn’t make for adequate drama.

207 Lidane  Apr 9, 2014 7:19:10am

re: #190 Political Atheist

Neither dare admit the chaotic reality that violence brings.

The chaos is exactly the point. It’s why the gun porn fails miserably. None of the gun fetishists take the chaos into account. They assume that as soon as someone owns a gun and gets a concealed carry license that they’re immediately endowed with the same ability to read a situation and take the perfect shot as a Special Forces sniper.

It’s not that guns would make a situation better or worse. It’s that chaos and panic in the middle of a situation like this make just randomly pulling out a gun and shooting the attacker a bad idea. There are just too many variables in play for someone that doesn’t have the right training or experience.

208 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 9, 2014 7:20:14am

re: #203 Dark_Falcon

You are mistaken: If a situation where someone is just attacking at random, police are taught to eliminate the threat quickly. If they have a reasonably clean shot they’ll take it.

Umm, I believe I stated it was a crowded high school hallway. I was assuming there was no clean shot.

Of course, if there were a clean shot, they’d take it. See my #206.

209 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 9, 2014 7:20:28am

re: #206 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

TV and movies give the wrong impression. They are fiction, but gun nuts don’t discriminate reality from fantasy that well.

For example, I watching an NCIS: Los Angeles episode recently. The perp in this case was a vet with PTSD and was going to blow himself and the people around him up. The trigger was in his right hand. Agent Kenzie was in front of him, and Agents G and Sam behind him. Sam yelled, “Kenzie, elbow!” and crackshot Kenzie fires her handgun, neatly disabling (but not destroying) perp’s right arm. No BOOM.

Un real is tic.

But it saves the heroes from having to kill a veteran with PTSD, because that would be a major bummer. In real life, those agents would have shot first, and talked later. But that doesn’t make for adequate drama.

NCIS: Los Angeles has ridiculous shootouts in almost every episode.

The only reason I watch it is because Linda Hunt is the baddest badass on TV.

210 lawhawk  Apr 9, 2014 7:22:18am

re: #205 Pie-onist Overlord

99% of all statistics online are true. You can look it up. /

211 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 9, 2014 7:24:04am

re: #209 Pie-onist Overlord

NCIS: Los Angeles has ridiculous shootouts in almost every episode.

The only reason I watch it is because Linda Hunt is the baddest badass on TV.

I’ve just finished catching up on all the NCIS episodes to the present day. I figured I’d give NCIS: LA a shot. I’m not all that impressed by the first season. It’s pretty typical cop TV, but with Linda Hunt eating up the scenes. Maybe it gets better in season 2.

The NCIS: New Orleans spinoff shows promise, on the other hand.

212 Stanley Sea  Apr 9, 2014 7:25:43am

re: #190 Political Atheist

With each deadly tragedy we get the critics of one variety or the other each with the most improbable two conclusions-One the a gun surely would have helped and then that it could not possibly help.

I have learned to mostly tune both out.

Neither dare admit the chaotic reality that violence brings.

Did you read Jim Wright @ Stonekettle Station’s take on Ft. Hood?

Very good.

stonekettle.com

213 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 9, 2014 7:28:06am

re: #211 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

I’ve just finished catching up on all the NCIS episodes to the present day. I figured I’d give NCIS: LA a shot. I’m not all that impressed by the first season. It’s pretty typical cop TV, but with Linda Hunt eating up the scenes. Maybe it gets better in season 2.

The NCIS: New Orleans spinoff shows promise, on the other hand.

I stopped watching the original NCIS because I couldn’t stand Agent DeNozzo’s fake tan and Ziva’s fake Israeli accent.

214 Dark_Falcon  Apr 9, 2014 7:28:17am

re: #204 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnut/Dudebro Convergence

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215 Lidane  Apr 9, 2014 7:31:53am

re: #214 Dark_Falcon

One minor quibble: Obama’s not a left-liberal. Not by any stretch of the imagination. If he was, the moonbats would love him instead of railing about DRONEZ and about how he is a tyrant for not giving Snowden a medal and a job.

216 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 9, 2014 7:35:24am

re: #213 Pie-onist Overlord

I stopped watching the original NCIS because I couldn’t stand Agent DeNozzo’s fake tan and Ziva’s fake Israeli accent.

Ziva’s gone now. Cote de Pablo wanted out. Her replacement is a quirky blonde (Emily Wickersham) with serious IT and analytical skills — a former NSA analyst. She’s married, to an offscreen hubby, and hails from Oklahoma. Gratefully, her character does not have a put-on accent.

Scott Bakula’s lead agent and his fellow NOLA co-worker do have put-on Loo-ziana accents. I haven’t decided whether the actors’ efforts are charming or grating on my nerves.

217 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 9, 2014 7:36:52am

re: #216 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Ziva’s gone now. Cote de Pablo wanted out. Her replacement is a quirky blonde (Emily Wickersham) with serious IT and analytical skills — a former NSA analyst. She’s married, to an offscreen hubby, and hails from Oklahoma. Gratefully, her character does not have a put-on accent.

Scott Bakula’s lead agent and his fellow NOLA co-worker do have put-on Loo-ziana accents. I haven’t decided whether the actors’ efforts are charming or grating on my nerves.

Did Ziva get killed off or she just went home/got another job?

218 Dark_Falcon  Apr 9, 2014 7:37:22am

re: #215 Lidane

One minor quibble: Obama’s not a left-liberal. Not by any stretch of the imagination. If he was, the moonbats would love him instead of railing about DRONEZ and about how he is a tyrant for not giving Snowden a medal and a job.

You give the moonbats too much credit: Many of them are “Purity Above All Else” folks, for whom Obama’s acceptance of the need for covert operations since becoming president is simply proof of the “corruption of the political mainstream”. Moonbats don’t typically use ‘DINO’, which is the Democratic equivalent of ‘RINO’, but their words make it clear they feel BETRAYED!!!11 by Obama since he took office.

219 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 9, 2014 7:38:00am

I also like to watch “Criminal Minds” mainly for Shemar Moore.

220 danarchy  Apr 9, 2014 7:38:46am

re: #209 Pie-onist Overlord

NCIS: Los Angeles has ridiculous shootouts in almost every episode.

I’ve been watching “Justified” lately and they suffer from this as well. I’m sorry, but if a cop has to shoot someone every time he is on an investigation you have to start wondering if he is doing something wrong.

221 Dark_Falcon  Apr 9, 2014 7:43:03am

re: #220 danarchy

I’ve been watching “Justified” lately and they suffer from this as well. I’m sorry, but if a cop has to shoot someone every time he is on an investigation you have to start wondering if he is doing something wrong.

I would’ve though that those left-of-center would approve of the shootings in Justified as they reduce the number of rural Mitch McConnell voters in Kentucky.

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222 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 9, 2014 7:44:09am

re: #217 Pie-onist Overlord

Did Ziva get killed off or she just went home/got another job?

Went home to get her head together, basically. There was a lot of drama at the end of the last season with her father and Vance’s wife being killed in a drive-by shootup of Vance’s home. Rogue Mossad agents were behind it all, including people Ziva trusted — the whole La Femme Nikita thing — so she quit NCIS and Mossad, sorta kinda broke up with Tony, and stayed in Israel.

I suppose she’ll turn up again in some guest role in the future. But I’m glad they’ve moved away from the NCIS-Mossad joint ops. Too repetitive.

223 Lidane  Apr 9, 2014 7:44:12am

re: #218 Dark_Falcon

Moonbats don’t typically use ‘DINO’, which is the Democratic equivalent of ‘RINO’, but their words make it clear they feel BETRAYED!!!11 by Obama since he took office.

They feel betrayed by Obama because they didn’t pay attention to a single thing the guy said both times he ran for POTUS. They expected that he was only running to the center to win, but he really wasn’t. Obama’s always been a pragmatist and a centrist. The guy embodies it, in fact.

224 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 9, 2014 7:45:03am

re: #220 danarchy

Justified suffers from the same problem a ton of cop shows do: The dude goes out there on his own, gets outgunned, and has to get into a firefight. In reality, cops show up with oodles of backup not just to rack up the overtime, but because people are more likely to give up when they’re totally fucking outgunned. So yeah, it is on him, for not bringing backup; he vastly overestimates his diplomatic skills.

225 b.d.  Apr 9, 2014 7:45:22am

re: #220 danarchy

I’ve been watching “Justified” lately and they suffer from this as well. I’m sorry, but if a cop has to shoot someone every time he is on an investigation you have to start wondering if he is doing something wrong.

I was listening to Dragnet on the Radio Classics Channel of sat. radio yesterday on the drive home. There was a burglar hiding in the air duct that wouldn’t come out so Friday started shooting at him so he wouldn’t have to wait him out.
Good times.

226 Lidane  Apr 9, 2014 7:46:14am

re: #220 danarchy

I’ve been watching “Justified” lately and they suffer from this as well. I’m sorry, but if a cop has to shoot someone every time he is on an investigation you have to start wondering if he is doing something wrong.

I watch Justified for one reason — the love/hate relationship between Raylan Givens and Boyd Crowder. They are my favorite on screen old married couple, but with more guns. Haha.

I’m honestly expecting the series to end with the two of them caught in a Butch and Sundance moment where they’re both getting shot at from all sides. It would be a fitting end, IMO.

227 HappyWarrior  Apr 9, 2014 7:46:53am

re: #218 Dark_Falcon

You give the moonbats too much credit: Many of them are “Purity Above All Else” folks, for whom Obama’s acceptance of the need for covert operations since becoming president is simply proof of the “corruption of the political mainstream”. Moonbats don’t typically use ‘DINO’, which is the Democratic equivalent of ‘RINO’, but their words make it clear they feel BETRAYED!!!11 by Obama since he took office.

I have to respectfully disagree there. I was hearing DINO actually well before RINO. The moonbats big loathing is the DLC though which they blame for everything they see wrong with the modern Democratic Party.

228 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 9, 2014 7:47:18am

HURR HURR LBJ SAID TEH N WORD SO TEH WHOLE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT IS BOGUS!!!!!!!

229 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 9, 2014 7:47:35am

re: #224 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Justified suffers from the same problem a ton of cop shows do: The dude goes out there on his own, gets outgunned, and has to get into a firefight. In reality, cops show up with oodles of backup not just to rack up the overtime, but because people are more likely to give up when they’re totally fucking outgunned. So yeah, it is on him, for not bringing backup; he vastly overestimates his diplomatic skills.

Anybody else want to negotiate?
Youtube Video

230 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 9, 2014 7:52:25am

Wingnuts are all butthurt that Brandeis withdrew an award to Ayaan Hirsi Ali. It won’t be long before the openly Anti-Semitic tweets.

231 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2014 7:55:23am

One of the stabbing victims was a police officer.

232 Dark_Falcon  Apr 9, 2014 7:55:28am

re: #227 HappyWarrior

I have to respectfully disagree there. I was hearing DINO actually well before RINO. The moonbats big loathing is the DLC though which they blame for everything they see wrong with the modern Democratic Party.

Albeit had the Democratic Leadership Council never existed, George H. W. Bush might well have won a second term despite it all. In doing so, they conflate 1992 with 2008.

What 1992 was really more like was 1976. The nation felt secure enough from external threat to be willing to elect a Democrat and the Republican incumbent was vulnerable, but it needed to be the right kind of Democrat. Bill Clinton, like Jimmy Carter, was the right kind of Dem: A Southern governor who could run as a centrist.

A left-liberal could not have won in 1992, and any moonbat who thinks otherwise is engaging in dishonest historical revisionism.

233 Bubblehead II  Apr 9, 2014 7:57:22am

re: #230 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts are all butthurt that Brandeis withdrew an award to Ayaan Hirsi Ali. It won’t be long before the openly Anti-Semitic tweets.

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Saw that earlier this morning. The Harpy has some serious butthurt about it.

234 b.d.  Apr 9, 2014 7:57:41am

re: #231 Backwoods_Sleuth

One of the stabbing victims was a police officer.

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THAT DOESN’T MAKE SENSE!?!?!?!

235 Lidane  Apr 9, 2014 7:58:16am

re: #232 Dark_Falcon

A left-liberal could not have won in 1992, and any moonbat who thinks otherwise is engaging in dishonest historical revisionism.

If a left-liberal couldn’t win in 1992, they sure as hell can’t win now.

When’s the last time an actual left-liberal won the White House anyway?

236 HappyWarrior  Apr 9, 2014 7:59:06am

re: #235 Lidane

If a left-liberal couldn’t win in 1992, they sure as hell can’t win now.

When’s the last time an actual left-liberal won the White House anyway?

LBJ.

237 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2014 8:00:45am

In Toronto:

238 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 9, 2014 8:01:20am

re: #234 b.d.

THAT DOESN’T MAKE SENSE!?!?!?!

HURR HURR HE COULDN’T CARRY HIS SERVICE WEAPON BECUZ IT WAS A GUN FREE ZONE!!!!!!!

239 lawhawk  Apr 9, 2014 8:04:48am

re: #217 Pie-onist Overlord

Did Ziva get killed off or she just went home/got another job?

Went home. Leaves the door open to coming back in future episodes, but she wasn’t killed off like Agent Todd.

Not much of a fan of the NCIS crossover for NCIS New Orleans. The accents were just too much, and not particularly believable that they’d be operating out of a garage as they appeared to be doing.

240 Romantic Heretic  Apr 9, 2014 8:07:10am

re: #209 Pie-onist Overlord

NCIS: Los Angeles has ridiculous shootouts in almost every episode.

The only reason I watch it is because Linda Hunt is the baddest badass on TV.

Seconded. She owns every role she plays.

241 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 9, 2014 8:10:01am

re: #215 Lidane

One minor quibble: Obama’s not a left-liberal. Not by any stretch of the imagination. If he was, the moonbats would love him instead of railing about DRONEZ and about how he is a tyrant for not giving Snowden a medal and a job.

Obama is a left-liberal Stalinist or a Hitleresque dictator, depends on who is ranting.

242 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2014 8:13:50am

Babies!!!

243 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 9, 2014 8:16:04am

re: #239 lawhawk

Went home. Leaves the door open to coming back in future episodes, but she wasn’t killed off like Agent Todd.

Not much of a fan of the NCIS crossover for NCIS New Orleans. The accents were just too much, and not particularly believable that they’d be operating out of a garage as they appeared to be doing.

Apparently, the show runners got the idea from the real NCIS office in NOLA, which really is a hole in the wall.

244 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 9, 2014 8:18:39am

Morning Lizards… Have had my tea, class is working on labs, and life is generally good this AM.

RBS

245 lawhawk  Apr 9, 2014 8:19:04am

re: #243 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Well, okay then. Still not digging the possible spinoff though.

246 Dark_Falcon  Apr 9, 2014 8:22:30am

re: #231 Backwoods_Sleuth

One of the stabbing victims was a police officer.

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The Tueller Drill Revisited (original article).

Basically, the point of those articles as far as this incident is concerned is that if the guy with a knife is close enough to you, he is going to be able to close with you and stab you before you can draw your gun. So it is entirely plausible that the suspect was able to stab the officer before the cop could get a shot off.

247 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 9, 2014 8:25:12am

re: #193 darthstar

It was the NSA that committed the changes to the OpenSSL code so they could steal everyone’s passwords!!!!

Wish I could say otherwise but I’ve been hearing that one repeatedly.

248 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 9, 2014 8:26:06am

re: #245 lawhawk

Spinoffs get wearisome. Some work out OK, like L&O: SVU, or Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. Others drop the ball, either because the writing is poor or the actors don’t have the right chemistry.

Do/did we really need multiple versions of Law & Order, CSI, NCIS, Star Trek, Stargate , etc., running at the same time?

249 The War TARDIS  Apr 9, 2014 8:27:09am

re: #248 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Should note that I like the main NCIS.

250 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 9, 2014 8:27:25am

re: #214 Dark_Falcon

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Appreciate the thought but that’s “center right” to describe the most Republican President since Ike ;)

251 The War TARDIS  Apr 9, 2014 8:29:33am

re: #250 William Barnett-Lewis

By our standards, Ike keep would be Left-Wing. And I like Ike.

252 b.d.  Apr 9, 2014 8:31:34am

re: #246 Dark_Falcon

The Tueller Drill Revisited (original article).

Basically, the point of those articles as far as this incident is concerned is that if the guy with a knife is close enough to you, he is going to be able to close with you and stab you before you can draw your gun. So it is entirely plausible that the suspect was able to stab the officer before the cop could get a shot off.

PISTOLS WITH BAYONET MOUNTINGS WOULD HAVE STOPPED THE COP FROM GETTING STABBED

253 lawhawk  Apr 9, 2014 8:32:23am

re: #251 The War TARDIS

By our standards, Ike keep would be Left-Wing. And I like Ike.

By the same standards, Nixon would be a lefty as well, particularly in expanding government regulation to clean air and water, creating the EPA (EPA! EPA!!!) and opening relations with the communists in China.

The left/right metric breaks down once people realize that the parties aren’t where they were 20 years ago, let alone 30, 50, or 150+ years ago. The GOP of today isn’t the same party. Neither are Democrats.

254 Dark_Falcon  Apr 9, 2014 8:34:43am

re: #250 William Barnett-Lewis

Appreciate the thought but that’s “center right” to describe the most Republican President since Ike ;)

Eisenhower wasn’t really interested in the GOP’s line of thought, which was in a period of transition in the 1950’s anyway, one marked especially by the emergence of William F. Buckley and the founding of National Review, and the expulsion of the john Birch Society from the ranks of the new conservative mainstream at the end of that decade.

255 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 9, 2014 8:34:43am

re: #251 The War TARDIS

By our standards, Ike keep would be Left-Wing. And I like Ike.

Still more centrist by the real world, but yeah, by current standards he was too sane and decent…

I’ve read that he only went with the Republicans because he felt the Democrats had been in the White House too long. The GOP foisted Nixon on him as the “orthodox” Republican ;)

256 Lidane  Apr 9, 2014 8:35:23am

re: #250 William Barnett-Lewis

Appreciate the thought but that’s “center right” to describe the most Republican President since Ike ;)

Seriously. If you look at the platform Ike ran on and the way Obama is governing, I’d be amazed if there’s much difference.

The real difference, however, is that the GOP lost their goddamn minds somewhere along the way and went so far to the right that presidents like Nixon and Eisenhower look like liberals.

257 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 9, 2014 8:35:53am

re: #255 William Barnett-Lewis

Please, judge the parties by their current platforms, legislation and candidates.

258 The War TARDIS  Apr 9, 2014 8:36:00am

re: #253 lawhawk

Thing is, the Democrats aren’t left wing.

We have a Center Right party, and a Putinist party.

259 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 9, 2014 8:38:12am

re: #249 The War TARDIS

Should note that I like the main NCIS.

Me too. I started watching it in season 6 or 7, and liked the characters and the way the writers played them off each other. Revealing just a little bit of their backstory every few episodes was good, too. The science and detective work was halfway plausible, but the writers did resort to some typical, unrealistic tech tricks to get the stories wrapped up in 45 minutes. It’s TV, so what the hell?

I decided several months ago to use my iTunes account to catch up on all the episodes from season 1 to the current season. I still need to watch the two backpilot episodes in the JAG series to make my NCIS viewing complete.

260 HappyWarrior  Apr 9, 2014 8:42:13am

re: #255 William Barnett-Lewis

Still more centrist by the real world, but yeah, by current standards he was too sane and decent…

I’ve read that he only went with the Republicans because he felt the Democrats had been in the White House too long. The GOP foisted Nixon on him as the “orthodox” Republican ;)

He needed Nixon to sow up the wingnuts who didn’t trust him since he beat their guy Robert A. Taft, who has a big admirer in Paul and son.

261 HappyWarrior  Apr 9, 2014 8:43:54am

Hell though the GOP of 60 years ago and 35 years ago championed equal pay for women. And here they are in the year 20 fucking 14 claiming that equal pay for women is “condescending.” The GOP really could have been a respectable center-right party but they chose to pander to the lowest common denominator instead and I blame Nixon in ‘68 for a lot of that mess even if Nixon governed as a centrist.

262 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 9, 2014 8:44:35am

My son, the Rabbi in Alabama, just texted he is speaking tonight to an African-American church group about Passover.

263 Lidane  Apr 9, 2014 8:50:24am

Oh joy. A wingnut I know on FB is all herpty derp about some mayor in North Carolina and some sort of fallout from a police shooting and his attending the funeral of the shooter because he’d known the family of the shooter for years before he ever took office.

This derpy wingnut is in San Angelo, Texas. WTF do the actions of a mayor in NC have to do with his life? Oh, wait — that mayor’s a Democrat, so of course it’s a fucking crisis that requires the fainting couch and smelling salts.

*sigh*

264 darthstar  Apr 9, 2014 8:52:10am

So…the GOP blocks vote on equal pay.

265 HappyWarrior  Apr 9, 2014 8:53:06am

re: #264 darthstar

So…the GOP blocks vote on equal pay.

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Fuck the GOP seriously.

266 darthstar  Apr 9, 2014 8:53:21am
267 wrenchwench  Apr 9, 2014 8:54:16am

It’s not just cats who like to nip a nose on occasion.

268 HappyWarrior  Apr 9, 2014 8:54:55am

re: #266 darthstar

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269 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Apr 9, 2014 8:57:28am

Long list of sites and their vulnerability status as of 12:00UTC yesterday.

github.com

To check if a site is still vulnerable, you may use the tool at:
filippo.io

270 Charles Johnson  Apr 9, 2014 8:59:47am
271 lawhawk  Apr 9, 2014 9:00:31am

re: #266 darthstar

272 lawhawk  Apr 9, 2014 9:01:08am

re: #270 Charles Johnson

Birds of a feather. Inflated egos need stroking. Pick your cliche.

273 lawhawk  Apr 9, 2014 9:01:49am
274 Justanotherhuman  Apr 9, 2014 9:05:55am

re: #265 HappyWarrior

Fuck the GOP seriously.

We were working for equal pay 40 yrs ago. As long as women consider their pay “secondary” or just “helping out”, as long as they don’t see themselves as primary breadwinners, until women get totally pissed off about the inequities in the work force not just in well paying jobs, but in the lowest paying ones (if they even stop seeing it as a “temporary” situation to be working)—if, if, if, and when, when, when—maybe women will get the nerve to walk off their jobs en masse and let the bosses fend for themselves.

275 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 9, 2014 9:10:24am

Wingnuts still spamming this fake meme, they think changing the graphic makes it MOAR TROOF!!!

276 Lidane  Apr 9, 2014 9:11:30am

re: #274 Justanotherhuman

277 darthstar  Apr 9, 2014 9:13:43am

Damn…the Ultimate Warrior died. Long live the mullet.

278 dr. luba  Apr 9, 2014 9:14:46am

re: #48 ericblair

The Ukranians’ best bet is to go slow and try to wait them out as much as possible; it doesn’t look like there’s a lot of local support for this sort of rebellion and the pro-Russian forces don’t look like they were hired for their patience or brains.

Like the Russian patriots who stormed the opera house in Kharkiv thinking it was the capitol building? Pro tip for the Russians: use a few locals, don’t import all of your thugs. The locals know their way around town.

279 b.d.  Apr 9, 2014 9:15:50am
Suspect in today’s Pittsburgh-area school stabbings is a sophomore boy, official says. FBI assisting in investigation. Watch CNN TV.
280 Justanotherhuman  Apr 9, 2014 9:16:06am

re: #276 Lidane

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Really.

Here’s Everything Women Could Buy if They Got Paid the Same as Men

policymic.com

“Another popular misconception is that women’s wages are increasing every year, when in fact the wage gap hasn’t budged since 2002. In fact, the workplace still looks like a lot like a typical Mad Men episode (minus the day drinking). The top jobs for women today are the same as they were in 1950: secretaries and administrative assistants, 96% of whom are women. Since equal pay was signed into law in 1963, average wages for women have only increased by 18 cents.”

281 Lidane  Apr 9, 2014 9:18:22am

re: #277 darthstar

Didn’t he go full raving wingnut these last few years? I think I remember that.

Condolences to his family and friends.

282 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 9, 2014 9:19:44am

re: #277 darthstar

Damn…the Ultimate Warrior died. Long live the mullet.
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283 Justanotherhuman  Apr 9, 2014 9:20:08am

re: #273 lawhawk

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Fuck! So they can ignore the law and commit fraud, and it’s all approved by the courts?

That. Is. So. Wrong.

284 darthstar  Apr 9, 2014 9:22:44am
285 Romantic Heretic  Apr 9, 2014 9:24:23am

re: #265 HappyWarrior

Fuck the GOP seriously.

Wear a condom. You don’t know what you’d catch. //

286 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 9, 2014 9:25:10am

re: #285 Romantic Heretic

Wear a condom. You don’t know what you’d catch. //

But you’ll have to pay for it yourself if you work for a “Christian values” employer.

287 Dark_Falcon  Apr 9, 2014 9:32:02am

re: #283 Justanotherhuman

Fuck! So they can ignore the law and commit fraud, and it’s all approved by the courts?

That. Is. So. Wrong.

No, its that the courts may not shut them down while they are appealing the verdict.

288 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 9, 2014 9:32:55am

re: #287 Dark_Falcon

No, its that the courts may not shut them down while they are appealing the verdict.

but they’re still getting away with it…

289 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 9, 2014 9:33:58am

re: #287 Dark_Falcon

No, its that the courts may not shut them down while they are appealing the verdict.

But what they do is fraud. It’s contemptible beyond contemptible.

290 makeitstop  Apr 9, 2014 9:40:56am

re: #218 Dark_Falcon

You give the moonbats too much credit: Many of them are “Purity Above All Else” folks, for whom Obama’s acceptance of the need for covert operations since becoming president is simply proof of the “corruption of the political mainstream”. Moonbats don’t typically use ‘DINO’, which is the Democratic equivalent of ‘RINO’, but their words make it clear they feel BETRAYED!!!11 by Obama since he took office.

He’s still not ‘left-liberal,’ and I think you know that.

In any other than the age of the deranged conservatives that we’re currently in, he’d be considered a solid Centrist. But thanks to deranged conservatives, any rational assessment of Obama’s political orientation has been thoroughly obliterated.

And I think you probably know that, too.

291 ObserverArt  Apr 9, 2014 9:41:05am

I see everyone is talking about cops in TV shows always having to whip out the gunnery and shoot’em’up those bad guys. How about the reverse happening in the old days of TV?

Sarge in Combat was shot every weekly episode by a “kraut” (politically incorrect TV of mid 60s) and was back for the battle by the next week. Oh, yeah some were just a scratch, nick or powder burn, but Vic Morrow’s character “Sarge” didn’t let some measly old bullet stop him from taking out the next Nazi search party or stopping an advancing German division with his trusty Thompson while waiting for the backups!

292 Mattand  Apr 9, 2014 9:42:55am

Back to the OP for a minute:

What am I exactly supposed to do regarding the Heartbleed exploit? I keep reading that I should change all of my passwords (groan), but then I read I shouldn’t do it if the site in question has patched the issue.

Does this mean that I should avoid all online transactions, e-mail, social media for the near future, until the site or service indicates they’ve applied the patch? Do I need contact every site and service I use to confirm this?

I’m a fairly advanced tech user, and I’m utterly confused by all of this.

293 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2014 9:43:18am

This 32-Year-Old Florida Woman Is Dead Because Her State Refused To Expand Medicaid

Charlene Dill, a 32-year-old mother of three, collapsed and died on a stranger’s floor at the end of March. She was at an appointment to try to sell a vacuum cleaner, one of the three part-time jobs that she worked to try to make ends meet for her family. Her death was a result of a documented heart condition — and it could have been prevented. Dill was uninsured, and she went years without the care she needed to address her chronic conditions because she couldn’t afford it.
Under the health reform law, which seeks to expand coverage to millions of low-income Americans, Dill wasn’t supposed to lack insurance. She was supposed to have access to a public health plan through the law’s expansion of the Medicaid program. But Dill, a Florida resident, is one of the millions of Americans living in a state that has refused to accept Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion after the Supreme Court ruled this provision to be optional. Those low-income people have been left in a coverage gap, making too much income to qualify for a public Medicaid plan but too little income to qualify for the federal subsidies to buy a plan on Obamacare’s private exchanges.

294 danarchy  Apr 9, 2014 9:47:42am

re: #292 Mattand

Back to the OP for a minute:

What am I exactly supposed to do regarding the Heartbleed exploit? I keep reading that I should change all of my passwords (groan), but then I read I shouldn’t do it if the site in question has patched the issue.

Does this mean that I should avoid all online transactions, e-mail, social media for the near future, until the site or service indicates they’ve applied the patch? Do I need contact every site and service I use to confirm this?

I’m a fairly advanced tech user, and I’m utterly confused by all of this.

If you can avoid online transactions for the moment it is probably safest. Lastpass has a tool to check if the site in question is vulnerable or not so you can check your site there and if it is safe go ahead and change your password.

lastpass.com

295 darthstar  Apr 9, 2014 9:47:53am
296 Skip Intro  Apr 9, 2014 9:50:50am

re: #290 makeitstop

He’s still not ‘left-liberal,’ and I think you know that.

In any other than the age of the deranged conservatives that we’re currently in, he’d be considered a solid Centrist. But thanks to deranged conservatives, any rational assessment of Obama’s political orientation has been thoroughly obliterated.

And I think you probably know that, too.

Eisenhower was a left-liberal compared to Obama. Look at the Big Government programs he supported, and the tax rates the sacred rich paid.

Other than social issues, Obama could pass as a moderate Republican today (if there still was such a thing) and would have fit perfectly into the GOP, pre-Reagan.

297 Skip Intro  Apr 9, 2014 9:52:50am

re: #292 Mattand

Back to the OP for a minute:

What am I exactly supposed to do regarding the Heartbleed exploit? I keep reading that I should change all of my passwords (groan), but then I read I shouldn’t do it if the site in question has patched the issue.

Does this mean that I should avoid all online transactions, e-mail, social media for the near future, until the site or service indicates they’ve applied the patch? Do I need contact every site and service I use to confirm this?

I’m a fairly advanced tech user, and I’m utterly confused by all of this.

Good questions. I have no idea what the answers are.

I’ve just finished changing all my critical passwords, although like you, I have no idea if the sites they’re used on have fixed the problem on their end.

298 Lidane  Apr 9, 2014 9:55:53am

So an update on my interviews yesterday. I ended up settling on a pencil skirt and heels and short sleeved blouse. Dressy-ish, but not full on business suit. My feet and legs hurt like hell when it was all over and I was home, but it was worth it. They weren’t kidding about the casual office, though. Every person I saw had some variation of the hipster uniform of jeans and a cardigan on. Lots of people in Chucks, even among the women. I’d definitely have no problem with this. I’d be comfortable at least. Hah.

The first part was a conversation/interview with two of the senior research analysts I’d be working with. The third one is on maternity leave until next week, but I guess they figured that meeting two out of three ain’t bad. That was mostly an informal getting to know you conversation, and it went pretty well. They both seemed to like me, which is good.

The second part was a face to face conversation with the hiring VP that I spoke to a few weeks back. When we first met, he asked if I’d seen my grad school classmate who also works at the company. I said no, that I’d arrived for the interview and figured I’d see her on my way out. He then took me to her cubicle to say hi to her first, which I’m taking as a good sign. He made it clear that the position won’t be glamorous and will have moments of eyeball sporking tedium, but I told him I was going in eyes open, and that I was willing to work. We got along, I think. We had a pretty easy exchange.

The last part was a simple test of my research and Excel skills. I flew through the research bit, and the senior analyst who was supervising me even called it early. She said I’d proven I knew what I was doing. The Excel part had me figuring out that their instructions were impossible to complete the way they were written. You could do most of the exercises easily, but the last part wasn’t possible. I went back to the start with the default document and showed her step by step where the problem was. I’m pretty sure it was an unspoken test, since it’s such an obvious thing that they would’ve known. I walked out with her telling me she thought I was awesome and that I understood the role and what they were looking for. She also said she really liked me and that she’d put in a good word.

Now all that’s left is a phone interview on Thursday. If that guy likes me I could well end up with a job soon. :D

299 Justanotherhuman  Apr 9, 2014 9:57:11am

re: #287 Dark_Falcon

No, its that the courts may not shut them down while they are appealing the verdict.

You totally missed my point.

The court gave them the right of an injunction against the law which would prevent them from operating fraudulently. The court, in effect, said, We know you’re violating the law, but go ahead and continue to do it. The court didn’t have to grant them an injunction.

That. Is. So. Wrong.

300 Varek Raith  Apr 9, 2014 9:59:12am

re: #298 Lidane

Woot

301 The War TARDIS  Apr 9, 2014 10:00:59am

Want to give some forewarning. When I get back from work, I will likely take the current thread then to music - land.

302 Justanotherhuman  Apr 9, 2014 10:03:54am

re: #298 Lidane

So an update on my interviews yesterday. I ended up settling on a pencil skirt and heels and short sleeved blouse. Dressy-ish, but not full on business suit. My feet and legs hurt like hell when it was all over and I was home, but it was worth it. They weren’t kidding about the casual office, though. Every person I saw had some variation of the hipster uniform of jeans and a cardigan on. Lots of people in Chucks, even among the women. I’d definitely have no problem with this. I’d be comfortable at least. Hah.

The first part was a conversation/interview with two of the senior research analysts I’d be working with. The third one is on maternity leave until next week, but I guess they figured that meeting two out of three ain’t bad. That was mostly an informal getting to know you conversation, and it went pretty well. They both seemed to like me, which is good.

The second part was a face to face conversation with the hiring VP that I spoke to a few weeks back. When we first met, he asked if I’d seen my grad school classmate who also works at the company. I said no, that I’d arrived for the interview and figured I’d see her on my way out. He then took me to her cubicle to say hi to her first, which I’m taking as a good sign. He made it clear that the position won’t be glamorous and will have moments of eyeball sporking tedium, but I told him I was going in eyes open, and that I was willing to work. We got along, I think. We had a pretty easy exchange.

The last part was a simple test of my research and Excel skills. I flew through the research bit, and the senior analyst who was supervising me even called it early. She said I’d proven I knew what I was doing. The Excel part had me figuring out that their instructions were impossible to complete the way they were written. You could do most of the exercises easily, but the last part wasn’t possible. I went back to the start with the default document and showed her step by step where the problem was. I’m pretty sure it was an unspoken test, since it’s such an obvious thing that they would’ve known. I walked out with her telling me she thought I was awesome and that I understood the role and what they were looking for. She also said she really liked me and that she’d put in a good word.

Now all that’s left is a phone interview on Thursday. If that guy likes me I could well end up with a job soon. :D

Congratulations! I think you probably have the job. : )

But I can’t believe how long it is taking and how much you’ve had to go through so far. It had better be worth it!

303 Dr. Matt  Apr 9, 2014 10:03:59am

I’m on business travel so I’ve been off the grid….have the foxnuts or wingnuts blamed Obama for the PA stabbings?

304 Lidane  Apr 9, 2014 10:07:23am

re: #303 Dr. Matt

I’m on business travel so I’ve been off the grid….have the foxnuts or wingnuts blamed Obama for the PA stabbings?

They blame Obama for waking up in the morning, so it’s inevitable they’ll find a way for him to be at fault for the PA stabbings.

305 b.d.  Apr 9, 2014 10:07:55am

re: #303 Dr. Matt

I’m on business travel so I’ve been off the grid….have the foxnuts or wingnuts blamed Obama for the PA stabbings?

They haven’t blamed Obama but their is plenty of blatant mockery, calling for knives to be outlawed, blah, blah, blah.

Of course, there isn’t even a disingenuous comment about concern for the victims to be seen.

306 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2014 10:10:20am

Hubby’s new laptop has arrived and is on the charger. Fun afternoon ahead getting it set up so it’s ready to go when he gets home tomorrow night.

307 Dr. Matt  Apr 9, 2014 10:11:55am

re: #305 b.d.

They haven’t blamed Obama but their is plenty of blatant mockery, calling for knives to be outlawed, blah, blah, blah.

Of course, there isn’t even a disingenuous comment about concern for the victims to be seen.

Of course there isn’t. Snark comes first. But, it appears that there will be no fatalities, which is truly remarkable and fortunate for all families. Hopefully there are no long-term physical disabilities from their injuries.

308 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 9, 2014 10:12:04am

SOCIAL SECURITY.
Which of course is why nutjobs like Paul Ryan want to loot it.

309 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2014 10:12:46am
310 Justanotherhuman  Apr 9, 2014 10:13:21am

Another multiple stabbing incident in Toronto at an office.

cp24.com

311 Killgore Trout  Apr 9, 2014 10:18:34am

My morning walk took me past my local abortion clinic. Protesters must have thought I was going in and stepped out blocking the sidewalk, chanting the Rosary and waving gory full color pictures of mutilated fetuses in my face. Man. it’s really tough to keep my cool and politely move on but I did.

But I’m tryin’, Ringo. I’m tryin’ real hard to be a shepherd
- Jules

312 darthstar  Apr 9, 2014 10:18:39am
313 Lidane  Apr 9, 2014 10:20:48am

re: #302 Justanotherhuman

Congratulations! I think you probably have the job. : )

But I can’t believe how long it is taking and how much you’ve had to go through so far. It had better be worth it!

Well, I applied for the job about a month ago and there were a couple of weeks where I didn’t hear anything at all because I assume they were screening other candidates. I’d say that a month long process is about par for the course these days once you actually get a bite.

And honestly? Anything beats unemployment. It would be a job that’s relevant to my MBA with a big company in an office where I could get by in jeans, flats, and a decent top, and with a short commute to work. Plus there’s the opportunity for growth since the VP told me that if the person in the role started to show initiative and could bring real input and ideas to the table, then the temporary part of the gig could become more. That’s HUGE incentive for me to deal with the eyeball sporking tedium upfront. I hate being out of work, and if I could grow in the company that would be awesome.

314 darthstar  Apr 9, 2014 10:22:05am

re: #311 Killgore Trout

My morning walk took me past my local abortion clinic. Protesters must have thought I was going in and stepped out blocking the sidewalk, chanting the Rosary and waving gory full color pictures of mutilated fetuses in my face. Man. it’s really tough to keep my cool and politely move on but I did.

But I’m tryin’, Ringo. I’m tryin’ real hard to be a shepherd
- Jules

I used to pass a clinic on my way to work every day when I was a teacher. Wednesday mornings were fetus poster days. There were also women standing in the lot (clinic defense volunteers) to help patients get through without being hassled. I’d stop a block early and buy coffee for the defense crew and then cross the picket line to give them their coffee. Then I’d walk back through the protesters calling them “stupid motherfuckers.” Made me feel like I was doing something positive.

315 Floral Giraffe  Apr 9, 2014 10:54:05am

re: #298 Lidane

Keeping my fingers, toes & eyes crossed that you get the job!!!

316 BeenHereAwhile  Apr 9, 2014 12:24:54pm

re: #153 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I remember the 2011 London riots: lower-class people going out and demolishing stuff, to be paid for by taxpayers and insurance policyholders.

Meanwhile, it comes out that David Cameron, the Tory leader, was a member of an Oxford “Dining Club” that used to go out and trash restaurants for fun and then have mummy and daddy pick up the bill for it…

Whenever these guys complain about “parasites” it is particularly hypocritical.

In the 17th & 18th century, some found amusement in “tipping the lion.”

317 palomino  Apr 9, 2014 8:35:14pm

re: #235 Lidane

If a left-liberal couldn’t win in 1992, they sure as hell can’t win now.

When’s the last time an actual left-liberal won the White House anyway?

It’s really never happened.

But to the modern gop everyone since FDR was a commie.


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