Heritage Foundation Head Jim DeMint’s Revisionist History: Government Didn’t Free the Slaves

Still wrong on slavery after all these years
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Somebody really needs to tell Republicans to just stop talking about slavery, because it’s clear that despite all their propaganda about “rebranding” and “outreach,” 149 years after the end of the Civil War they still don’t get it: Jim DeMint Asserts the Federal Government Played No Role in Freeing the Slaves.

DeMint: This progressive, the whole idea of being progressive is to progress away from those ideas that made this country great. What we’re trying to conserve as conservative are those things that work. They work today, they work for young people, they work for minorities and we can change this country and change its course very quickly if we just remember what works.

Newcombe: What if somebody, let’s say you’re talking with a liberal person and they were to turn around and say, ‘that Founding Fathers thing worked out really well, look at that Civil War we had eighty years later.’

DeMint: Well the reason that the slaves were eventually freed was the Constitution, it was like the conscience of the American people. Unfortunately there were some court decisions like Dred Scott and others that defined some people as property, but the Constitution kept calling us back to ‘all men are created equal and we have inalienable rights’ in the minds of God. But a lot of the move to free the slaves came from the people, it did not come from the federal government. It came from a growing movement among the people, particularly people of faith, that this was wrong. People like Wilberforce who persisted for years because of his faith and because of his love for people. So no liberal is going to win a debate that big government freed the slaves. In fact, it was Abraham Lincoln, the very first Republican, who took this on as a cause and a lot of it was based on a love in his heart that comes from God.

Hilariously, DeMint is also unclear about the US Constitution. The words “all men are created equal” appear in the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.

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262 comments
1 TedStriker  Apr 9, 2014 10:56:43am

Jim DeMint is either a willfully ignorant moron or he simply panders to such.

Either way, he fucking sucks.

2 darthstar  Apr 9, 2014 10:58:21am

It’s not a debate, Jim…it’s a fact.

3 Testy Toad T  Apr 9, 2014 10:59:05am
So no liberal is going to win a debate that big government freed the slaves. In fact, it was Abraham Lincoln, the very first Republican, who took this on as a cause and a lot of it was based on a love in his heart that comes from God.

Ol’ Abe Lincoln, yep. Acting as a private citizen, and not the President of the fucking United States, no doubt.

Who the hell can read this shit with a straight face and unrolled eyes?

4 b.d.  Apr 9, 2014 10:59:30am

My head hurts.

5 Dark_Falcon  Apr 9, 2014 11:00:04am

Damn Jim DeMint for taking Lincoln’s sacred name and cause into his lying mouth!

BBL

6 Bulworth  Apr 9, 2014 11:00:19am

but the Constitution kept calling us back to ‘all men are created equal and we have inalienable rights’ in the minds of God.

OFFS

7 Bulworth  Apr 9, 2014 11:02:11am

What we’re trying to conserve as conservative are those things that work.

What about things that ‘don’t work’? Can we progress away from those and progress towards something better? Or must nothing change, ever?

8 b.d.  Apr 9, 2014 11:02:13am

KEEP THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF MY CONSTITUTION!!1!!

9 Testy Toad T  Apr 9, 2014 11:02:14am

re: #6 Bulworth

but the Constitution kept calling us back to ‘all men are created equal and we have inalienable rights’ in the minds of God.

OFFS

Except you, over there. You’re explicitly three-fifths equal, right there in the Constitution.

Whee!

10 Lidane  Apr 9, 2014 11:02:34am

It took an entire war to free the slaves, and even then, it still took decades to get past the Jim Crow bullshit we were left with in the aftermath. Fuck DeMint and anyone who says government played no part in ending slavery.

11 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 9, 2014 11:03:25am

Wilberforce was a British citizen, you know like Piers Morgan.

12 Charles Johnson  Apr 9, 2014 11:03:42am

Hilariously, DeMint is also unclear about the US Constitution. The words “all men are created equal” appear in the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.

13 Bulworth  Apr 9, 2014 11:04:09am

DeMint: Well the reason that the slaves were eventually freed was the Constitution

Yes, the Constitution, with its 3/5ths clause, arose from the pages it was printed on, and magically freed the slaves.

14 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 9, 2014 11:04:19am

Wilberforce got the British parliament to abolish slavery in the UK some 30 years before the Civil War.

15 Targetpractice  Apr 9, 2014 11:04:34am

16 Lidane  Apr 9, 2014 11:04:37am

re: #12 Charles Johnson

Hilariously, DeMint is also unclear about the US Constitution. The words “all men are created equal” appear in the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.

Historical accuracy has never been an RWNJ requirement.

17 Testy Toad T  Apr 9, 2014 11:05:54am

re: #13 Bulworth

DeMint: Well the reason that the slaves were eventually freed was the Constitution

Yes, the Constitution, with its 3/5ths clause, arose from the pages it was printed on, and magically freed the slaves.

The founding charter and foundation of our federal government freed the slaves zero assistance from or credit to our federal government.

Makes sense. Derp.

18 Amory Blaine  Apr 9, 2014 11:06:06am
It came from a growing movement

Yeah. The Union Army.

19 darthstar  Apr 9, 2014 11:06:11am
20 Justanotherhuman  Apr 9, 2014 11:06:30am

Like Scott Walker, I guess, who doesn’t need a stinkin’ degree to be governor, deMint doesn’t need a stinkin’ degree to be a US Senator, either.

Christ, why do the rightwing even bother going to school if they’re not going to learn anything?

21 Targetpractice  Apr 9, 2014 11:06:32am

I guess we should consider it progress that DeMint is admitting that the Civil War was about slavery, instead of the common wingnut argument about how it was “really” about tariffs.

22 The Ghost of a Flea  Apr 9, 2014 11:07:04am

The funny thing is how many wingnuts are going to be pissed, because he’s suggesting that Abraham Lincoln was a good guy and maybe the Confederacy weren’t doing the right thing….

23 Bulworth  Apr 9, 2014 11:07:20am
Wilberforce was a British citizen,

Dumbass can’t even name any of the notable American abolitionists, who were much scorned in their day, attacked physically, and in some cases, killed, by ChristianGod fearing Muricans, fearful that hippy dogooders were going to tread on them.

Why does DeMinted hate America?

24 Sophist, D.D., DDS, DFH  Apr 9, 2014 11:07:20am
But a lot of the move to free the slaves came from the people, it did not come from the federal government.

You do know that the federal government is an instrument through which “the people” implement their policies, right?

25 darthstar  Apr 9, 2014 11:07:23am

re: #20 Justanotherhuman

Like Scott Walker, I guess, who doesn’t need a stinkin’ degree to be governor, deMint doesn’t need a stinkin’ degree to be a US Senator, either.

Christ, why do the rightwing even bother going to school if they’re not going to learn anything?

Free lunch programs.

26 nines09  Apr 9, 2014 11:07:24am

And I guess Gettysburg Pennsylvania is an amusement park. Yep. That’s it. When you think the GOP cannot sink lower they break out shovels.

27 Charles Johnson  Apr 9, 2014 11:07:44am
28 lawhawk  Apr 9, 2014 11:09:15am

Should anyone be surprised that Heritage and DeMint are pushing false and exceptionally misleading statements about well, everything.

Slavery wasn’t ended by the federal government?

The Constitution was used to justify Dred Scott (text of the decision makes that explicit). It was used to justify the Missouri Compromise and treating African Americans as property and less than the vote of a white landed male (because at that time women weren’t entitled to vote).

It took the civil war and emancipation to make slavery disappear. The Constitution didn’t do that. It took the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments to overturn and negate Dred Scott. That took acts of Congress to stamp out the last vestiges of slavery, and the South has been fighting to restore the institutional racism ever since.

29 Sophist, D.D., DDS, DFH  Apr 9, 2014 11:09:18am

re: #18 Amory Blaine

Yeah. The Union Army.

An army that sprung fully formed from the constitution, with no input from that nasty federal government.

30 nines09  Apr 9, 2014 11:09:19am

BTW. How many minds does God have?

31 Jayleia  Apr 9, 2014 11:10:00am

Apparently the Fucking Army of the Motherfuckin Potomac is “Small Government” in DeMintalverse.

32 Charles Johnson  Apr 9, 2014 11:11:01am
33 lawhawk  Apr 9, 2014 11:11:20am

re: #21 Targetpractice

I guess we should consider it progress that DeMint is admitting that the Civil War was about slavery, instead of the common wingnut argument about how it was “really” about tariffs.

Hell no. He’s purposefully conflating and misleading to further an agenda that engages in rampant revisionist history. He and Heritage does no one any favors.

It’s part and parcel with Heritage’s attempts to revise history to try and claim that the individual mandate didn’t originate with them and the GOP. Because that’s an uncomfortable fact from which opposition to the ACA and Obama shows nothing but rank hypocrisy and partisan politics driving the situation and not principles.

34 Lidane  Apr 9, 2014 11:12:14am

re: #21 Targetpractice

I guess we should consider it progress that DeMint is admitting that the Civil War was about slavery, instead of the common wingnut argument about how it was “really” about tariffs.

States’ rights! Eleventy!

Yeah, the states’ rights to decide that owning and subjugating another human being were legal and okay. WTF.

35 Targetpractice  Apr 9, 2014 11:12:57am

re: #28 lawhawk

Should anyone be surprised that Heritage and DeMint are pushing false and exceptionally misleading statements about well, everything.

Slavery wasn’t ended by the federal government?

The Constitution was used to justify Dred Scott (text of the decision makes that explicit). It was used to justify the Missouri Compromise and treating African Americans as property and less than the vote of a white landed male (because at that time women weren’t entitled to vote).

It took the civil war and emancipation to make slavery disappear. The Constitution didn’t do that. It took the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments to overturn and negate Dred Scott. That took acts of Congress to stamp out the last vestiges of slavery, and the South has been fighting to restore the institutional racism ever since.

Note that the 14th is on the shitlist of guys like DeMint because of both the Citizenship Clause and the Equal Protection clause.

36 jaunte  Apr 9, 2014 11:13:27am

It’s still strange that people like DeMint huff and puff about courtesy and tone when they tell an obvious lie and people begin pointing it out.

37 b.d.  Apr 9, 2014 11:14:29am

I guess that DeMint thinks that the federal government had no role in doing away with slavery because all of his heroes quit the union?

38 Amory Blaine  Apr 9, 2014 11:14:36am

That pole should be made of brass.

39 Sophist, D.D., DDS, DFH  Apr 9, 2014 11:15:15am

re: #32 Charles Johnson

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The girl on the left is what makes the photo. “Oh my god, Becky, look at her butt…”

40 darthstar  Apr 9, 2014 11:15:20am

re: #38 Amory Blaine

That pole should be made of brass.

All poles should be made of brass.

41 darthstar  Apr 9, 2014 11:15:46am

re: #39 Sophist, D.D., DDS, DFH

The girl on the left is what makes the photo. “Oh my god, Becky, look at her butt…”

She’s trying to take a pic without being noticed herself.

42 Targetpractice  Apr 9, 2014 11:17:07am

If you really wanna see DeMint’s eyes spin like the slots of a slot machine, ask him what was the governing document of the Confederacy, and then atop that ask him what was the only difference between it and the very document he is stating led to the end of slavery. Then take a step back as the sparks fly.

43 Amory Blaine  Apr 9, 2014 11:17:38am

So wait, is the bad behavior from the one staring at her butt?

:p

44 Bulworth  Apr 9, 2014 11:18:30am
I guess we should consider it progress that DeMint is admitting that the Civil War was about slavery, instead of the common wingnut argument about how it was “really†about tariffs.

Nah, the Constitution and God and Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves but then the North waged a war on the South because of tariffs and states’ rights.

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45 b.d.  Apr 9, 2014 11:18:37am
46 Skip Intro  Apr 9, 2014 11:19:58am

re: #32 Charles Johnson

I hope she’s wearing pants and that yellow/orange color isn’t jaundice.

47 b.d.  Apr 9, 2014 11:20:15am

re: #45 b.d.

Brass figure of Pope John Paul II

ok, it’s bronze

sue me.

48 Lidane  Apr 9, 2014 11:20:26am

re: #44 Bulworth

Nah, the Constitution and God and Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves but then the North waged a war on the South because of tariffs and states’ rights.

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Everyone knows that Lincoln was the worst genocidal tyrant EVAR!

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49 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 9, 2014 11:21:20am

re: #48 Lidane

Everyone knows that Lincoln was the worst genocidal tyrant EVAR!

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LINCOLN WAS A REPUBLICAN & TEH SLAVE OWNERS WAS ALL TEH DEMOCRATS!!!!!!1!!!!

50 Bubblehead II  Apr 9, 2014 11:21:22am

re: #32 Charles Johnson

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Brain Bleach anyone?

51 Amory Blaine  Apr 9, 2014 11:21:25am

re: #47 b.d.

And I thought Polish jokes were dead.

*hat tip

52 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 9, 2014 11:22:12am

Look who’s shilling against Equal Pay:

53 Charles Johnson  Apr 9, 2014 11:22:55am

Our new SSL certificate is now installed.

54 Amory Blaine  Apr 9, 2014 11:23:06am

You have to watch what bleach you buy now. That splashless bleach and other laundry marketed stuff has no disinfecting qualities.

55 Targetpractice  Apr 9, 2014 11:24:46am

re: #52 Pie-onist Overlord

Look who’s shilling against Equal Pay:

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In some alternate universe, Inez’s counterpart wonders why men are so bent out of shape for making less than women, as obviously women are more valuable workers.

56 ObserverArt  Apr 9, 2014 11:26:02am

re: #33 lawhawk

Hell no. He’s purposefully conflating and misleading to further an agenda that engages in rampant revisionist history. He and Heritage does no one any favors.

It’s part and parcel with Heritage’s attempts to revise history to try and claim that the individual mandate didn’t originate with them and the GOP. Because that’s an uncomfortable fact from which opposition to the ACA and Obama shows nothing but rank hypocrisy and partisan politics driving the situation and not principles.

I swear, it’s a reeducation program the Evangelical Christian side of the GOP nuts have going on. They know their history, but they seem to want to teach it differently so there is a group of people in the future that will not know it. Add denial of science and you have a real sub class being created that will be at best ignorant of the law, politics, science, civics…even religion. Then they can mine votes form that group in the future with no kickback.

I never buy these guys are ignorant. They seemingly are malicious and have a calculated agenda to keep a bunch of folks dumb. We are seeing it now with Tea Party thinking. They want to make that group permanent. It works, that is what we should really be concerned about.

57 Jack Burton  Apr 9, 2014 11:26:05am

re: #50 Bubblehead II

Brain Bleach anyone?

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Ohhh that’s the magic potion that makes you forget all about The Star Wars Prequels when you drink it.

58 lawhawk  Apr 9, 2014 11:26:20am

re: #32 Charles Johnson

Meh. Not surprising nor unexpected on the subways. Not the most revolting thing seen this week either.

This is, in turns both revolting and funny:

Youtube Video

59 Amory Blaine  Apr 9, 2014 11:26:49am

re: #57 Jack Burton

Heh I just watched IV last night.

60 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 9, 2014 11:27:47am

re: #53 Charles Johnson

Our new SSL certificate is now installed.

I hope you installed a new gasket with it… trying to reuse the old one always creates leaks.

RBS
And thank you Charles for all the work you do for us.

61 Randall Gross  Apr 9, 2014 11:29:21am

re: #33 lawhawk

Hell no. He’s purposefully conflating and misleading to further an agenda that engages in rampant revisionist history. He and Heritage does no one any favors.

It’s part and parcel with Heritage’s attempts to revise history to try and claim that the individual mandate didn’t originate with them and the GOP. Because that’s an uncomfortable fact from which opposition to the ACA and Obama shows nothing but rank hypocrisy and partisan politics driving the situation and not principles.

I agree with you that he’s purposefully conflating the two documents in a new tactic favored by the Tea Party leadership that was from Barton and Beck - they know that their constituents won’t look this up.

62 Lidane  Apr 9, 2014 11:29:31am

Could someone please test the water in Iowa? WTF:

I think the larger issue is that whole “high crimes and misdemeanors” requirement, but what do I know?

63 Targetpractice  Apr 9, 2014 11:32:53am

re: #62 Lidane

Could someone please test the water in Iowa? WTF:

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I think the larger issue is that whole “high crimes and misdemeanors” requirement, but what do I know?

This seems to be the new excuse amongst wingnuts for why, despite their years of being convinced that the man is a criminal of the highest order, he hasn’t been impeached: The GOP is scared of being seen as beating up on a black guy!

64 Lidane  Apr 9, 2014 11:34:53am

Heh.

65 lawhawk  Apr 9, 2014 11:35:58am

re: #62 Lidane

Those that demand impeachment of the president should themselves be impeached (or removed from any job requiring heavy lifting or operation of machinery). /

Seriously though, these people are simply calling for impeachment over a policy dispute, which is not the purpose of impeachment, which is for high crimes or misdemeanors and there’s none tying the President to either despite calls of Fast and Furious or Benghazi!

66 Skip Intro  Apr 9, 2014 11:36:05am

re: #62 Lidane

A chin count is in order. We may find that there is an operable minimum number of chins to qualify as a Fat Obese Disgusting Red Neck Red State Porker (that needs an acronym).

No need for an acronym when when you can use the word “Limbaugh” as shorthand.

67 Skip Intro  Apr 9, 2014 11:37:34am
68 klys  Apr 9, 2014 11:37:36am

Heading OT, but there are distinct indications that there may be an El Nino this year - and quite possibly a strong one.

It has the possibility of being an interesting summer, that’s for sure. Potential impacts for CA include:

There are presently indications that California may experience impacts as early as the coming summer-including the possibility of unusually warm temperatures and perhaps even some very unusual warm-season precipitation events. The million-dollar question, however, is what effects El Nino might have on precipitation during the 2014-2015 rainy season. For now, I’ll say this: next winter has the potential to be very different indeed than the exceptionally dry one we just experienced.

I think the AC will get tested this weekend so I can avoid the rush, if needed.

69 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 9, 2014 11:37:56am

re: #62 Lidane

Could someone please test the water in Iowa? WTF:

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I think the larger issue is that whole “high crimes and misdemeanors” requirement, but what do I know?

Christ…is that his neck or his chin??

70 EPR-radar  Apr 9, 2014 11:38:33am

What a steaming load of confederate apologist bullshit from De Mint. Let’s just take this line by line.

Well the reason that the slaves were eventually freed was the Constitution, it was like the conscience of the American people.

As made manifest in the Union armies that invaded the Confederacy after it started the civil war, and for 10+ years of military occupation and rule thereafter.

Unfortunately there were some court decisions like Dred Scott and others that defined some people as property, but the Constitution kept calling us back to ‘all men are created equal and we have inalienable rights’ in the minds of God.

Constitution quote fail as noted above. More significantly, slavery was hardly a creation of the Dred Scott decision. People as property is an inherent feature of slavery, especially slavery as in the US.

But a lot of the move to free the slaves came from the people, it did not come from the federal government. It came from a growing movement among the people, particularly people of faith, that this was wrong.

Why is there a Southern Baptist Denomination? That right, the Baptists in the US split over the issue of slavery, just like most other denominations. People of faith were on both side of this issue, so I’ll be kind and score it neutrally, despite the inherent evil in the position that US slavery was ordained by a loving god.

People like Wilberforce who persisted for years because of his faith and because of his love for people.

Wouldn’t want to mention any of those nasty US abolitionists that said all kind of horrible things about the confederacy, so let’s go with a safe British example. +50 purity points.

So no liberal is going to win a debate that big government freed the slaves.

A debate of this point is farcical. It is self evident that big Federal government freed the slaves.

In fact, it was Abraham Lincoln, the very first Republican, who took this on as a cause and a lot of it was based on a love in his heart that comes from God.

More fail. Take it away Mr. Lincoln:

I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be “the Union as it was.” If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.

I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men everywhere could be free. —- Abraham Lincoln

71 lawhawk  Apr 9, 2014 11:39:16am

re: #64 Lidane

More DeMint “facts”:
Custer called for everyone to Remember the Alamo.
The Missouri Compromise was about letting Mizzou into the SEC.

72 Skip Intro  Apr 9, 2014 11:40:42am

re: #68 klys

Any precipitation would be an unusual event. As for heat, it’s been hovering around 80 degrees since October on the majority of days here on the Central Coast. The coming summer does not make me excited.

73 leftynyc  Apr 9, 2014 11:40:42am

re: #58 lawhawk

Meh. Not surprising nor unexpected on the subways. Not the most revolting thing seen this week either.

This is, in turns both revolting and funny:

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I saw that video on Way Too Early this morning. Have to admit to looking at the floor quite a bit when riding the 6 this morning.

74 wrenchwench  Apr 9, 2014 11:41:07am
1702 GMT: RT, the Kremlin-run TV channel, whose propaganda, disinformation, and range of ‘expert’ guests including neo-Nazis and 9/11 deniers, has been under scrutiny by The Interpreter for a while now, has invited our editor-in-chief Michael Weiss to appear on its program CrossTalk. He has politely declined:
75 klys  Apr 9, 2014 11:41:36am

re: #72 Skip Intro

Any precipitation would be an unusual event. As for heat, it’s been hovering around 80 degrees since October on the majority of days here on the Central Coast. The coming summer does not make me excited.

We installed AC last year, once I finally had time to deal with getting the electrical stuff updated first.

It was 91 yesterday.

76 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 9, 2014 11:48:13am

Aaaaand in other unsurprising news today, TAC columnist Rod “The Gay Mafia iz persucutin’ me!” Dreher is having a bad case of the vapors because GLSEN is advising high school kids how they can voluntarily participate in the Day of Silence to commemorate GLBT murder victims.

Commemorating dead GLBT people makes Rod into a victim because Jesus said so.

It’s not a joke. GLSEN, the gay activist group organizing the Day Of Silence, has a Day Of Silence FAQ put together by Lambda Legal, inviting students to contact them for legal help if they feel that their rights to be silent have been improperly infringed upon. Do you, Madam Principal or Mr. Teacher, want to get a phone call from a Lambda Legal lawyer telling you that your insistence that this disruptive protest event not go on is going to be challenged in court? Better get with the program — or else. You’ve seen what happened to Brendan Eich. You’ve seen what happened to Chauncey Childs. Nice job you have there; sure would be a shame if something happened to it.

You think hard about what this kind of Day Of Silence bullying means. What if you’re a teacher who has deep problems of conscience with gay marriage, but has no intention of bringing your moral views to the classroom. You just want to teach math, or science, or English, and you are meticulous about being just to everyone in your classroom. But now you have to be afraid of your students, because you live in a culture in which to dissent, or to be suspected of dissent, is to put your livelihood on the line.

Yes. Be afraid of your students. Especially the quiet ones.

Rod then goes on to compare these stigmatized, traumatized teachers with not-so-chatty students to human rights icon Vaclav Havel.

Enjoy the suckitude and read it for yourself.

77 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2014 11:51:25am
78 klys  Apr 9, 2014 11:51:45am

re: #68 klys

It is worth noting that an El Nino is associated with *cooler* summer temperatures for much of the eastern part of the country and suppressed hurricane activity.

79 Randall Gross  Apr 9, 2014 11:52:53am

90re: #53 Charles Johnson

Our new SSL certificate is now installed.

Which means now is the time to change your password, clear cache, & re login.

I can’t believe the number of people screaming about changing passwords pronto, since it really does no good until after the exploit is patched and the certs are updated at each site.

80 No Country For Old Haters  Apr 9, 2014 11:53:21am

re: #7 Bulworth

What weâ€TMre trying to conserve as conservative are those things that work.

What about things that ‘don’t work’? Can we progress away from those and progress towards something better? Or must nothing change, ever?

We all want to conserve things that work. The difference that makes an ignorant social conservative is that they can’t handle letting go of toxic beliefs and behaviors. They cling to things that they believe work for them in dominating and harming anyone who’s different than them.

81 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2014 11:54:37am
82 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 9, 2014 11:55:34am
83 wrenchwench  Apr 9, 2014 11:56:58am

re: #76 Aunty Entity Dragon

Aaaaand in other unsurprising news today, TAC columnist Rod “The Gay Mafia iz persucutin’ me!” Dreher is having a bad case of the vapors because GLSEN is advising high school kids how they can voluntarily participate in the Day of Silence to commemorate GLBT murder victims.

Commemorating dead GLBT people makes Rod into a victim because Jesus said so.

Yes. Be afraid of your students. Especially the quiet ones.

Rod then goes on to compare these stigmatized, traumatized teachers with not-so-chatty students to human rights icon Vaclav Havel.

Enjoy the suckitude and read it for yourself.

Another persecuted straight white male Catholic. They abound at TAC.

84 Amory Blaine  Apr 9, 2014 11:57:38am

re: #79 Randall Gross

Done.

85 Skip Intro  Apr 9, 2014 12:01:10pm

re: #75 klys

We installed AC last year, once I finally had time to deal with getting the electrical stuff updated first.

It was 91 yesterday.

I did that a couple of years ago when I had to replace my furnace. Never thought I’d need air conditioning living on the coast, but it just kept getting hotter longer here every year.

86 HappyWarrior  Apr 9, 2014 12:01:55pm

And this is why the Heritage Foundation should have zero credibility.

87 ObserverArt  Apr 9, 2014 12:02:36pm

re: #70 EPR-radar

What a steaming load of confederate apologist bullshit from De Mint. Let’s just take this line by line.

As made manifest in the Union armies that invaded the Confederacy after it started the civil war, and for 10+ years of military occupation and rule thereafter.

Constitution quote fail as noted above. More significantly, slavery was hardly a creation of the Dred Scott decision. People as property is an inherent feature of slavery, especially slavery as in the US.

Why is there a Southern Baptist Denomination? That right, the Baptists in the US split over the issue of slavery, just like most other denominations. People of faith were on both side of this issue, so I’ll be kind and score it neutrally, despite the inherent evil in the position that US slavery was ordained by a loving god.

Wouldn’t want to mention any of those nasty US abolitionists that said all kind of horrible things about the confederacy, so let’s go with a safe British example. +50 purity points.

A debate of this point is farcical. It is self evident that big Federal government freed the slaves.

More fail. Take it away Mr. Lincoln:

All very true, but do you think that matters to De Mint and others like him?

Sure what you posted makes historical sense and people that know it is true acknowledge that truth. But, we still have the bigger problem I wrote about in #56. They do not want the truth and they do not want to teach it.

So, all the complaining that we can muster does not seem to have a bearing. All the historical records, etc., they do not mean anything. As a matter of fact, they have gotten the group of people they want to control to deny real history by explaining you can’t trust those progressives and their teachings…only good ol’ time religion is the truth.

Look at some of the crap that Pie-onist’s posts from tweets, They have real history all mucked up and they don’t care to be told that they are wrong. Look at all the articles we link and page and share where there are outright falsehoods, and yet, very little correction and even if corrected, they go on thinking what they want or what they believe anyway.

Believe being the very key word. And facts are not necessary in their world, as they appear to think your (and I and everyone they mistrust) facts are tools of the devil. Historical facts? We can change them!

88 Justanotherhuman  Apr 9, 2014 12:03:49pm

Ceridian specializes in human resources and payroll…

89 Mattand  Apr 9, 2014 12:04:50pm

By Crom’s sweaty privates, how does one look at the freeing of the slaves by an American president and come to the conclusion that government had nothing to do with it?

90 Testy Toad T  Apr 9, 2014 12:05:38pm

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

I recognize that zoo!

That’s Minnesota. Visited an aunt there, once.

91 Testy Toad T  Apr 9, 2014 12:06:32pm

re: #90 Testy Toad T

I recognize that zoo!

That’s Minnesota. Visited an aunt there, once.

I mean, I did not visit the aunt at the zoo…

92 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2014 12:07:08pm

re: #91 Testy Toad T

I mean, I did not visit the aunt at the zoo…

I wasn’t going to ask…
;)

93 HappyWarrior  Apr 9, 2014 12:07:34pm

re: #89 Mattand

By Crom’s sweaty privates, how does one look at the freeing of the slaves by an American president and come to the conclusion that government had nothing to do with it?

Lots and lots of delusion but this is coming from the same guy who wanted to be able to prohibit the hiring of unwed single women and gay people as teachers yet claims he’s a supporter of small government. So in short, Jim Demint is a moron.

94 ObserverArt  Apr 9, 2014 12:09:35pm

re: #78 klys

It is worth noting that an El Nino is associated with *cooler* summer temperatures for much of the eastern part of the country and suppressed hurricane activity.

Good! I’ll take a break from a couple months of 90s in exchange for a few days.

95 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2014 12:12:05pm

Newest hatchling is certainly trying to make a splash on other threads.

96 Amory Blaine  Apr 9, 2014 12:12:30pm

re: #89 Mattand

Lincoln was just part of a movement of people. Collectivism!!

97 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 9, 2014 12:16:00pm

re: #89 Mattand

By Crom’s sweaty privates, how does one look at the freeing of the slaves by an American president and come to the conclusion that government had nothing to do with it?

It was that magical Constitushun that inspired the oppressed proto-African “takers” to shake off their servitude to the Lincolnian moochers and become genuine makers with the Confederates. They then told the Confederates to read The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged, and then Rebels rejoiced that they did not have to fight the moochers anymore and they could be Randian supermen as well! The liberated Rebels and the new proto-African industrialist makers then went on to make Reardon Steel and build giant railroads while Lincoln wept tears of impotent rage because the Rebels and the proto-African Industrialist makers didn’t need his emancipation proclamation!

98 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 9, 2014 12:17:22pm

re: #95 Backwoods_Sleuth

Newest hatchling is certainly trying to make a splash on other threads.

How so?

99 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2014 12:18:13pm

re: #98 Aunty Entity Dragon

How so?

Three different threads and negative karma right off the bat.

100 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 9, 2014 12:19:00pm

re: #69 Aunty Entity Dragon

Christ…is that his neck or his chin??

I think it’s merged into a chnek.

RBS

101 wrenchwench  Apr 9, 2014 12:19:02pm

re: #95 Backwoods_Sleuth

Newest hatchling is certainly trying to make a splash on other threads.

Might be related to this guy.

102 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 9, 2014 12:20:15pm

re: #97 Aunty Entity Dragon

It was that magical Constitushun that inspired the oppressed proto-African “takers” to shake off their servitude to the Lincolnian moochers and become genuine makers with the Confederates. They then told the Confederates to read The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged, and then Rebels rejoiced that they did not have to fight the moochers anymore and they could be Randian supermen as well! The liberated Rebels and the new proto-African industrialist makers then went on to make Reardon Steel and build giant railroads while Lincoln wept tears of impotent rage because the Rebels and the proto-African Industrialist makers didn’t need his emancipation proclamation!

You do not get the wingnut memes. They do not openly praise the Confederacy, even as they use the Confederate flag in their avi’s.

HURR HURR LINCOLN WAS A REPUBLICAN & TEH SLAVE OWNERS WAS ALL TEH DEMOCRATS!!!!!!

103 lawhawk  Apr 9, 2014 12:20:36pm

re: #94 ObserverArt

On cue, Death Valley reported its first 100 degree day of the year. It typically begins hitting 100 in mid April, so this isn’t uncommon.

Last year saw a number of record days there.

But far more troublesome is the extreme drought conditions across California, and the fact that the snowpack is a fraction of normal.

104 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2014 12:21:11pm

re: #101 wrenchwench

Might be related to this guy.

oh, he sounds nice…

//

105 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 9, 2014 12:22:05pm

re: #102 Pie-onist Overlord

You do not get the wingnut memes. They do not openly praise the Confederacy, even as they use the Confederate flag in their avi’s.

HURR HURR LINCOLN WAS A REPUBLICAN & TEH SLAVE OWNERS WAS ALL TEH DEMOCRATS!!!!!!

You haven’t spent much time here in NC and SC, I take it…

DeMint is a former senator from SC…and they still take that whole “birthplace of the Confederacy” thing real effing seriously.

106 Charles Johnson  Apr 9, 2014 12:22:09pm

re: #95 Backwoods_Sleuth

Newest hatchling is certainly trying to make a splash on other threads.

Yup, we’ve got a live one.

107 William of Orange  Apr 9, 2014 12:22:29pm

OH MAN!! Someone did something very awesome!!

Pairing the Game of Thrones tune with James Brown’s “It’s a man’s, man’s world!

Youtube Video

How cool is that!!

108 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 9, 2014 12:23:23pm

re: #105 Aunty Entity Dragon

You haven’t spent much time here in NC and SC, I take it…

DeMint is a former senator from SC…and they still take that whole “birthplace of the Confederacy” thing real effing seriously.

I spend a lot of time on #tcot. :)

109 goddamnedfrank  Apr 9, 2014 12:27:51pm

You can’t credit “people of faith” for helping to end slavery without also crediting them for perpetuating it.

The Bible specifically instructs slaves to obey and accept the authority of their earthly masters, not once but at least three times.

Colossians 3:22
Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.

Ephesians 6:5
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

1 Peter 2:18
Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.

110 abolitionist  Apr 9, 2014 12:29:45pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

Our new SSL certificate is now installed.

Your diligence is much appreciated. Thanks.


Heartbleed: Anatomy of OpenSSL’s password, crypto-key leaking bug
Excerpts:

The code behind the C-bomb dropped on the world - By Chris Williams, 9 Apr 2014

Analysis The OpenSSL bug dubbed Heartbleed is so bad, switching off the internet for a while sounds like a fantastic idea. A tiny flaw in the widely used encryption library allows anyone to trivially and secretly dip into vulnerable systems, from your bank’s HTTPS server to your private VPN, to steal passwords, login cookies, private crypto-keys and much more.

How, in 2014, is this possible?
[snip]

Too long, didn’t read: A summary

This serious flaw (CVE-2014-0160) is a missing bounds check before a memcpy() call that uses non-sanitized user input as the length parameter. An attacker can trick OpenSSL into allocating a 64KB buffer, copy more bytes than is necessary into the buffer, send that buffer back, and thus leak the contents of the victim’s memory, 64KB at a time. The patch is here, and the blunder is far worse than Apple’s gotofail.

111 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 9, 2014 12:31:19pm
112 Ian G.  Apr 9, 2014 12:31:54pm

Well, there’s a sort of logical consistency to DeMint’s idiocy. Remember, to wingnuts, Big Gubmint doesn’t include the military. So by that definition, the massive armies of Grant, Sherman, and Sheridan that laid waste to the South were not “Big Gubmint”.

Of course, his ideas about “people of faith” are horseshit. Both slave-owners and abolitionists claimed God on their side. Sure, John Brown was a religious nut (on the right side, of course), but I doubt Jim DeMint has much admiration for him.

113 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 9, 2014 12:32:33pm

re: #107 William of Orange

>OH MAN!! Someone did something very awesome!!

Pairing the Game of Thrones tune with James Brown’s “It’s a man’s, man’s world!

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How cool is that!!

That is UBER-COOL… that’s how cool it is. That may just be my favorite mash-up now… replacing the final gunfight in “Once Upon The West” and Arcade Fires’ “My Body Is A Cage”.

Youtube Video

RBS

114 EPR-radar  Apr 9, 2014 12:35:48pm

re: #87 ObserverArt

Movement conservatives prefer lies to the truth in order to support their worldview.

“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities” —- Voltaire

Yet another observation on human nature that is taken as an instruction manual by the US right rather than as a warning.

115 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 9, 2014 12:36:19pm

re: #111 NJDhockeyfan

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For all my years in the military, I never got over how appropriately they do memorial services. I’m not being snarky here, they have built a ceremony with tremendous symbolism that really goes a long way in helping people acknowledge the loss.

Been to more than a couple.

RBS

116 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2014 12:37:12pm
117 Justanotherhuman  Apr 9, 2014 12:39:05pm
118 sizzzzlerz  Apr 9, 2014 12:48:36pm

Well, I suppose the south would have eventually given up slavery because they loved the Constitution so damn much but the slaves kept them from doing it because they were so happy where they were, what with all the kind masters and such.

119 William of Orange  Apr 9, 2014 12:49:32pm
120 abolitionist  Apr 9, 2014 12:50:39pm

re: #117 Justanotherhuman

Fascinating. Another strategy (besides batteries) for storing energy would be simply to climb to higher altitude, and later regain it by gliding. Might not get you thru the night; there are limits/tradeoffs.

121 dog philosopher  Apr 9, 2014 12:51:02pm

So no liberal is going to win a debate that big government freed the slaves

in their minds, there is a difference between ‘government’ and something called ‘big government’. one is good and the other is bad

not sure where the boundary is, but i definitely know that within 30 seconds of initiating a discussion with a ‘conservative’, you will hear that “you liberals think everything can be solved by government. you liberals love big government”

of course unfortunately i had no idea i believed that

i just tell them that if they know everything i think to just have a psychic debate while reading my mind and get back to me with the results when they’re finished

122 ObserverArt  Apr 9, 2014 12:51:06pm

re: #103 lawhawk

On cue, Death Valley reported its first 100 degree day of the year. It typically begins hitting 100 in mid April, so this isn’t uncommon.

Last year saw a number of record days there.

But far more troublesome is the extreme drought conditions across California, and the fact that the snowpack is a fraction of normal.

I heard about the 90s in California. I was hoping the prediction of cooler days for the east coast is correct. It gets mighty humid here in Columbus Ohio when the temps hit 90. I hate high humidity and heat.

123 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 9, 2014 12:51:07pm
124 dog philosopher  Apr 9, 2014 12:52:33pm

re: #119 William of Orange

If you find yourself unable to watch #GameOfThrones and are craving some blood and guts, may I recommend opening your Bible?

the difference between game of thrones and the bible is that in game of thrones the violence makes sense

125 Testy Toad T  Apr 9, 2014 12:52:58pm

re: #120 abolitionist

Fascinating. Another strategy (besides batteries) for storing energy would be simply to climb to higher altitude, and later regain it by gliding. Might not get you thru the night; there are limits/tradeoffs.

A great glider can do a 20:1 glideslope. If they’re flying at 80mph, that means they’d be going down at four miles per hour.

So you might get an hour or two. You couldn’t go all night.

126 ObserverArt  Apr 9, 2014 12:54:20pm

re: #114 EPR-radar

Movement conservatives prefer lies to the truth in order to support their worldview.

“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities” —- Voltaire

Yet another observation on human nature that is taken as an instruction manual by the US right rather than as a warning.

Volatire….pfffft!

Damn Frenchy!

///

127 darthstar  Apr 9, 2014 12:55:48pm
128 JustMark  Apr 9, 2014 12:57:42pm

re: #117 Justanotherhuman

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The Koch bros will just shoot it down.

129 Justanotherhuman  Apr 9, 2014 12:58:26pm

re: #123 NJDhockeyfan

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Haha, there’s an Antoinette Chenier on FB, and her favorite book is the Bible and favorite activity is going to church.

130 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 9, 2014 12:58:33pm

re: #125 Testy Toad T

A great glider can do a 20:1 glideslope. If they’re flying at 80mph, that means they’d be going down at four miles per hour.

So you might get an hour or two. You couldn’t go all night.

Actually, modern gliders are a lot more efficent than that, but you are correct, if you just trade altitude for time, you’re going to run out of altitude LONG before you hit morning again.

With each generation of materials and with the improvements in aerodynamics, the performance of gliders has increased. One measure of performance is the glide ratio. A ratio of 30:1 means that in smooth air a glider can travel forward 30 meters while losing only 1 meter of altitude. Comparing some typical gliders that might be found in the fleet of a gliding club - the Grunau Baby from the 1930s had a glide ratio of just 17:1, the glass-fiber Libelle of the 1960s increased that to 39:1, and modern flapped 18 meter gliders such as the ASG29 have a glide ratio of over 50:1. The largest open-class glider, the eta, has a span of 30.9 meters and has a glide ratio over 70:1. Compare this to the infamous Gimli Glider, a Boeing 767 which ran out of fuel mid-flight and was found to have a glide ratio of only 12:1, or to the Space Shuttle with a glide ratio of 4.5:1.[10]
en.wikipedia.org

131 Testy Toad T  Apr 9, 2014 12:59:34pm

re: #130 RealityBasedSteve

Sweet jobu, I feel monstrously out of date.

132 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 9, 2014 1:00:22pm

Oh shit!

133 palmerskiss  Apr 9, 2014 1:01:56pm

ot i know but - interesting:

was doing housework and Felger and Mazz (comcast sportsnet program about college basketball i think) was on in the background -when they began a discussion about the UMass basketball player who came out today - what was so interesting was the reaction.

They both praised the method of coming out, and praised the player, and basically shrugged off any idea this was wrong, offensive or something to be ashamed of.

it was surprising enough that i stopped what i was doing to pay attention, prepared for the stereotypical sports answer “keep it out of the locker rooms” which never came.

more power to Felger and Mazz.

as an optimist, this kind of thing tends to make me feel fuzzy :)

134 palmerskiss  Apr 9, 2014 1:04:36pm

re: #132 NJDhockeyfan

Oh shit!

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0h gosh, heartbreaking

135 goddamnedfrank  Apr 9, 2014 1:06:55pm

re: #120 abolitionist

Fascinating. Another strategy (besides batteries) for storing energy would be simply to climb to higher altitude, and later regain it by gliding. Might not get you thru the night; there are limits/tradeoffs.

A plane like that isn’t likely to drop current to the engines to glide under any circumstances. They need to spin at least enough to combat their own losses. They also don’t want to be below cloud cover when morning arrives, so the floor is much higher than one might otherwise assume.

136 Randall Gross  Apr 9, 2014 1:09:20pm
137 Slap  Apr 9, 2014 1:09:36pm

re: #115 RealityBasedSteve

For all my years in the military, I never got over how appropriately they do memorial services. I’m not being snarky here, they have built a ceremony with tremendous symbolism that really goes a long way in helping people acknowledge the loss.

A thousand updings for this. There’s such a sad, heartbreaking beauty to these ceremonies. The recent funeral of the Boston firefighters who perished while saving others was equally moving.

When I was a kid living in base housing overseas, at the end of each day when the flags were lowered, “Taps” was played through loudspeakers everywhere. Traffic stopped, and all was silent. Quite a moving and memorable experience..

A while back, I saw a story about a gentleman (a bugler) in the northwest who started playing Taps at sunset, every day. As his neighbors became aware of this, they began to stop what they were doing and take a quiet moment to contemplate loss and sacrifice, and began to look forward to it each day.

As a people, we need more moments of quiet contemplation, IMO.

138 aagcobb  Apr 9, 2014 1:10:21pm

re: #70 EPR-radar

What a steaming load of confederate apologist bullshit from De Mint. Let’s just take this line by line.

As made manifest in the Union armies that invaded the Confederacy after it started the civil war, and for 10+ years of military occupation and rule thereafter.

Constitution quote fail as noted above. More significantly, slavery was hardly a creation of the Dred Scott decision. People as property is an inherent feature of slavery, especially slavery as in the US.

Why is there a Southern Baptist Denomination? That right, the Baptists in the US split over the issue of slavery, just like most other denominations. People of faith were on both side of this issue, so I’ll be kind and score it neutrally, despite the inherent evil in the position that US slavery was ordained by a loving god.

Wouldn’t want to mention any of those nasty US abolitionists that said all kind of horrible things about the confederacy, so let’s go with a safe British example. +50 purity points.

A debate of this point is farcical. It is self evident that big Federal government freed the slaves.

More fail. Take it away Mr. Lincoln:

Being a conservative means never having to concede an inch of ground to reality.

139 RadicalModerate  Apr 9, 2014 1:12:35pm

Erick son of Erick demonstrates his right to be a bigoted jackass.
Quoted in its entirety because he’s blocked Firefox from accessing the site.

Firefox users: We sent you a little message today.

Today, users of the Firefox web browser were given a message when accessing most of our Front Page content at RedState. They were told that this site could not be displayed, because of a conflict with the values of the Mozilla corporation, and they were suggested to visit another site.

We put that message up, because we wanted to remind people that the totalitarian impulse of the Mozilla corporation is real, and if you haven’t been Made to Care yet, you will be soon.

Send a message that you won’t take it lying down. Get another browser. Tell your friends what you’re doing, and why. Safari, Chromium, Internet Explorer, Konqueror, you name it. None of these browsers is developed by a corporation that is persecuting individuals for what they do with their own time and money. Firefox is, because that’s what Mozilla has done to Brendan Eich.

140 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 9, 2014 1:13:31pm

re: #134 palmerskiss

0h gosh, heartbreaking

Worse yet, one dead and it was a hit-and-run.

141 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 9, 2014 1:19:52pm
142 Justanotherhuman  Apr 9, 2014 1:20:13pm

Police identify suspect in Franklin Regional stabbings; 20 hurt

wpxi.com

“One adult and 19 students were stabbed at Franklin Regional High School in Murrysville Wednesday morning.

“The suspect has been identified as Alex Hribal, 16. Authorities say he will be charged as an adult.

“Hribal reportedly ran through the school, slashing or puncturing students with a knife or other sharp object.” More

143 William of Orange  Apr 9, 2014 1:20:14pm

re: #113 RealityBasedSteve

That is UBER-COOL… that’s how cool it is. That may just be my favorite mash-up now… replacing the final gunfight in “Once Upon The West” and Arcade Fires’ “My Body Is A Cage”.

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RBS

Then…. how about this one?

DJ Schmolli - Revolution.

Youtube Video

Tracklist:
Split & Jaxta - Roulette (Le Castle Vania Remix)
Black Sabbath - Children Of The Grave
T-Rex - Children Of The Revolution
Rihanna ft. Calvin Harris - We Found Love
P.O.D. - Youth Of The Nation
Empire Of The Sun - We Are The People
Diplo ft. Imanos & Faustix - Revolution
Muse - Uprising
Elliphant - Revolusion
Adam Kokesh speech

144 aagcobb  Apr 9, 2014 1:20:23pm

re: #89 Mattand

By Crom’s sweaty privates, how does one look at the freeing of the slaves by an American president and come to the conclusion that government had nothing to do with it?

Ole’ Abe and a few hundred thousand freedom loving Americans all got together spontaneously and spent five years fighting evil big government Democrats to free the slaves with weapons donated by freedom loving job creators because the Constitution says “all men are created equal”. Now those self-same Democrats are keeping African-Americans enslaved on their welfare plantation so they can murder their babies in abortion clinics. Much truthier than that there “history” in those lyin “textbooks”!

145 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 9, 2014 1:20:31pm

What right-wing racism?
HURR HURR!!!! TEH DEMOCRATS IS TEH REAL RACISTS!!!!!!

146 ObserverArt  Apr 9, 2014 1:20:47pm

re: #138 aagcobb

Being a conservative means never having to concede an inch of ground to reality.

Some conservatives can buy their reality. I think that is in play too.

147 Justanotherhuman  Apr 9, 2014 1:23:08pm

Report: Louisiana Republican Party Chair has been calling Rep. Vance McAllister, R-La., since Tuesday night to ask for his resignation, but calls have not been returned - @thehill
read more on thehill.com

148 Targetpractice  Apr 9, 2014 1:23:22pm

re: #139 RadicalModerate

Erick son of Erick demonstrates his right to be a bigoted jackass.
Quoted in its entirety because he’s blocked Firefox from accessing the site.

Firefox users: We sent you a little message today.

Conservatives are getting more bent out of shape over Eich’s resignation than anybody did over his being promoted to CEO.

149 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 9, 2014 1:24:53pm
150 Justanotherhuman  Apr 9, 2014 1:28:58pm

WTF?

New Jersey judge rules Gov. Chris Christie’s ex-aides do not have to comply with subpoenas on lane closures - @NorthJerseybrk
read more on northjersey.com

151 makeitstop  Apr 9, 2014 1:29:50pm

re: #150 Justanotherhuman

WTF?

New Jersey judge rules Gov. Chris Christie’s ex-aides do not have to comply with subpoenas on lane closures - @NorthJerseybrk
read more on northjersey.com

Somebody called in a BIG favor, from the look of it.

152 Varek Raith  Apr 9, 2014 1:30:12pm

re: #150 Justanotherhuman

WTF?

New Jersey judge rules Gov. Chris Christie’s ex-aides do not have to comply with subpoenas on lane closures - @NorthJerseybrk
read more on northjersey.com

The fuck?

153 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 9, 2014 1:33:26pm

It’s legislative subpoenas, the ruling is that they’d violate the 5th amendment rights to protect themselves against the ongoing criminal investigation.

154 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 9, 2014 1:35:33pm

re: #139 RadicalModerate

KT said how right Dimwit son of Dimwit is to do this yet?

155 palmerskiss  Apr 9, 2014 1:35:44pm

re: #140 NJDhockeyfan

Worse yet, one dead and it was a hit-and-run.

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words do not even..

156 Justanotherhuman  Apr 9, 2014 1:39:08pm

Whee!

Vice President Joe Biden will deliver the commence address next month at the University of South Carolina - @PoliticalTicker
read more on blogs.cnn.com

157 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 9, 2014 1:39:23pm

re: #155 palmerskiss

words do not even..

Heartbreaking. Being a parent makes it even worse. They are searching for the hit-and-run vehicle. I hope they find it right away. I bet it was a drunk driver who is trying to hide so they can sleep it off and worry about it in the morning.

158 sattv4u2  Apr 9, 2014 1:41:58pm

re: #156 Justanotherhuman

Whee!

Vice President Joe Biden will deliver the commence address next month at the University of South Carolina - @PoliticalTicker
read more on blogs.cnn.com

Wonder if he’ll stop at the 7 Eleven near campus!!

//

159 Iwouldprefernotto  Apr 9, 2014 1:42:14pm

I’m so tired of having “discussions” about history with conservatives.

The Civil war was not about slavery
Govt. stimulus did not help end the depression
Saddam had WMD.
Reagan decreased the size of the federal govt.

160 Romantic Heretic  Apr 9, 2014 1:44:12pm

re: #16 Lidane

Historical accuracy has never been an RWNJ requirement.

As my favourite author points out, “History is about unlimited movement, not a limited dialectic.”

Which is why DeMint and the other teahadis prefer mythology. History make them just minor negative players in the sweep of time. Mythology makes them Heroic Patriots™. It’s the sort of thing that people who have trouble with ambiguity and gray areas do.

Kinds sad though.

161 Targetpractice  Apr 9, 2014 1:44:56pm

re: #159 Iwouldprefernotto

I’m so tired of having “discussions” about history with conservatives.

The Civil war was not about slavery
Govt. stimulus did not help end the depression
Saddam had WMD.
Reagan decreased the size of the federal govt.

Reagan ended the Iran Hostage Crisis with a single phone call.

162 Romantic Heretic  Apr 9, 2014 1:46:32pm

re: #25 darthstar

Free lunch programs.

Are you telling me RWNJs are moochers?

Unpossible!

163 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 9, 2014 1:47:00pm
164 darthstar  Apr 9, 2014 1:47:07pm

re: #139 RadicalModerate

Erick son of Erick demonstrates his right to be a bigoted jackass.
Quoted in its entirety because he’s blocked Firefox from accessing the site.

Firefox users: We sent you a little message today.

And Erickson didn’t even do a very good job of that. I tried loading Redstate with Firefox and had no problem.

165 TedStriker  Apr 9, 2014 1:48:27pm

re: #164 darthstar

And Erickson didn’t even do a very good job of that. I tried loading Redstate with Firefox and had no problem.

You run NoScript?

166 abolitionist  Apr 9, 2014 1:50:15pm

re: #164 darthstar

And Erickson didn’t even do a very good job of that. I tried loading Redstate with Firefox and had no problem.

re: #165 TedStriker

Not blocked for me; I run NoScript.

167 TedStriker  Apr 9, 2014 1:54:24pm

re: #166 abolitionist

Not blocked for me; I run NoScript.

Sounds like they’re using a script to pin down the user agent; no script, no block.

168 Targetpractice  Apr 9, 2014 1:56:16pm

I’m not seeing the redirect page that RedState supposedly has imposed on Firefox users.

169 calochortus  Apr 9, 2014 1:59:32pm

re: #168 Targetpractice

Apparently that was yesterday.

170 klys  Apr 9, 2014 1:59:47pm
171 Teukka  Apr 9, 2014 2:00:46pm

re: #167 TedStriker

Sounds like they’re using a script to pin down the user agent; no script, no block.

You mean Erick, son of Erick is either too cheap to buy the services of a proper web coder, or too incompetent to do a browser-specific block server-side?

*facepalms*

172 wrenchwench  Apr 9, 2014 2:01:05pm

re: #143 William of Orange

>Then…. how about this one?

DJ Schmolli - Revolution.

[Embedded content]

Tracklist:
Split & Jaxta - Roulette (Le Castle Vania Remix)
Black Sabbath - Children Of The Grave
T-Rex - Children Of The Revolution
Rihanna ft. Calvin Harris - We Found Love
P.O.D. - Youth Of The Nation
Empire Of The Sun - We Are The People
Diplo ft. Imanos & Faustix - Revolution
Muse - Uprising
Elliphant - Revolusion
Adam Kokesh speech

Adam Kokesh is a crazy libertarian who had his own show on Russia Today.

173 Targetpractice  Apr 9, 2014 2:01:25pm

re: #169 calochortus

Apparently that was yesterday?

That’s my guess. Either way, my point from earlier stands, the wingnuts are more worked up over Eich’s resignation than anybody ever seemed to be about his promotion.

174 Targetpractice  Apr 9, 2014 2:02:05pm

re: #171 Teukka

You mean Erick, son of Erick is either too cheap to buy the services of a proper web coder, or too incompetent to do a browser-specific block server-side?

*facepalms*

Or too lazy to do it more than a day. Or too scared of scaring off the faithful because they’re too lazy to change web browsers.

175 Lidane  Apr 9, 2014 2:02:27pm

re: #167 TedStriker

Sounds like they’re using a script to pin down the user agent; no script, no block.

Got it in one. A comment from one of the Red State mods:

Let me explain something, because there are a number of folks who don’t understand this: Every browser request passes a little identifier with it that tells what browser is being used to access the page. It is very simple to code a snippet of Javascript that detects the “USER_AGENT” string and then put up a special page, message, etc. based on the content of that string. If you want to see what your USER_AGENT string looks like, go here:

whatsmyuseragent.com

This is how we conducted our little experiment. When we saw a Firefox user, we passed them to our very rudimentary “Error” page, which was easily bypassed by just clicking the page.

So … it’s nothing fancy. Most web sites use the USER_AGENT string in some way, such as putting up a mobile-friendly version of a page when the browser is on an iPhone, for example.

And it’s worked so well for them. Their own comments section is filled with people saying they use FF and aren’t seeing the message. Oops.

176 Targetpractice  Apr 9, 2014 2:04:00pm

re: #175 Lidane

Got it in one. A comment from one of the Red State mods:

And it’s worked so well for them. Their own comments section is filled with people saying they use FF and aren’t seeing the message. Oops.

Towering geniuses, they are.

////

177 EPR-radar  Apr 9, 2014 2:05:37pm

re: #175 Lidane

Got it in one. A comment from one of the Red State mods:

And it’s worked so well for them. Their own comments section is filled with people saying they use FF and aren’t seeing the message. Oops.

That’s an improvement compared to derping happily about the importance of being able to be a bigot without consequences.

178 Varek Raith  Apr 9, 2014 2:06:18pm

re: #153 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Ah, ok.
I get it now.

179 Charles Johnson  Apr 9, 2014 2:07:16pm

I can’t believe what a massive pain in the nethers it is to fix everything that’s possibly affected by this Heartbleed apocalypse. So much stuff. All day, new problem areas keep occurring to me.

180 Charles Johnson  Apr 9, 2014 2:09:06pm

By the way, we’re not quite ready over here yet to issue the “change your passwords” now signal. Still have some loose ends to tie up before I’ll be comfortable with that; it’s the final step after everything else has been tightened down as much as possible.

181 darthstar  Apr 9, 2014 2:10:11pm
182 Sionainn  Apr 9, 2014 2:10:33pm

re: #164 darthstar

And Erickson didn’t even do a very good job of that. I tried loading Redstate with Firefox and had no problem.

Bwahahaha. I’m using Firefox and could access his site.

183 dog philosopher  Apr 9, 2014 2:12:17pm

re firefox ‘boycotts’

i must be missing something, since i don’t understand how any boycotts, either anti-eich or pro-eich, are supposed to have any effect on a product iirc given away for free

184 Sionainn  Apr 9, 2014 2:13:25pm

re: #183 dog philosopher

re firefox ‘boycotts’

i must be missing something, since i don’t understand how any boycotts, either anti-eich or pro-eich, are supposed to have any effect on a product iirc given away for free

Because…shut up.

185 Lidane  Apr 9, 2014 2:15:12pm

re: #183 dog philosopher

re firefox ‘boycotts’

i must be missing something, since i don’t understand how any boycotts, either anti-eich or pro-eich, are supposed to have any effect on a product iirc given away for free

Because freedom! Eleventy!

186 dog philosopher  Apr 9, 2014 2:15:30pm

USER_AGENT

anybody with a high traffic website will do strenuous browser checking to make sure that their code plays well with all likely browser versions

187 calochortus  Apr 9, 2014 2:15:45pm

re: #183 dog philosopher

Reduced ad revenues, I suppose.

188 darthstar  Apr 9, 2014 2:17:10pm
189 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Apr 9, 2014 2:18:23pm

re: #58 lawhawk

He’s just trying to get uptown.

190 palmerskiss  Apr 9, 2014 2:18:51pm

re: #180 Charles Johnson

By the way, we’re not quite ready over here yet to issue the “change your passwords” now signal. Still have some loose ends to tie up before I’ll be comfortable with that; it’s the final step after everything else has been tightened down as much as possible.

will wait for the bat signal.

191 Varek Raith  Apr 9, 2014 2:18:55pm

re: #188 darthstar

[Embedded content]

LIES.

192 wrenchwench  Apr 9, 2014 2:19:10pm

Rosenaldo Lovato of Gallup, New Mexico and survivor of the Bataan Death March received 9 medals from Commander SGT Major Kenneth Adair of the New Mexico National Guard prior to the ceremony honoring the 72th anniversary of the surrender of Bataan in the Pacific theater of World War II on Wednesday, April 9, 2014, 10:00 a.m. at the Bataan Building, 407 Galisteo Street, Santa Fe, New Mexico. The military failed to give Lovato his medals when he was discharged from the military in 1946. CSM Adair has spent the past 8 months tracking down and then receiving the medals, which he pinned on Lovato Wednesday morning prior to the observance. Clyde Mueller/The New Mexican

193 darthstar  Apr 9, 2014 2:19:43pm

re: #191 Varek Raith

LIES.

Are you saying he didn’t see the movie?

194 Varek Raith  Apr 9, 2014 2:20:35pm

re: #193 darthstar

Are you saying he didn’t see the movie?

I’m saying that rock monsters created the ark.
Or something.

195 calochortus  Apr 9, 2014 2:22:13pm

I have a password that I use only for chat sites and the like. It never gets near anything that involves personal information or money. Would there be any reason to change that? I mean, all someone would gain is the ability to comment on a couple sewing-related websites, here and other similar things.

196 sattv4u2  Apr 9, 2014 2:23:30pm

re: #194 Varek Raith

I’m saying that rock monsters created the ark.
Or something.

Monsters,,,,, or Lobsters!?!?

Youtube Video

198 dog philosopher  Apr 9, 2014 2:24:19pm

re: #187 calochortus

Reduced ad revenues, I suppose.

wiksterpedia has it

In 2006 the Mozilla Corporation generated 66.8 million dollars in revenue and 19.8 million in expenses, with 85% of that revenue coming from Google for “assigning [Google] as the browser’s default search engine, and for click-throughs on ads placed on the ensuing search results pages.”

google makes its money as a software based ad platform, many other companies offering services to the user for free make a major chunk of their revenues from google paying them to direct their users there

google is not really a software company - it doesn’t in as far as i know sell any software - and its search results play the same role as the dramatic offerings do on teevee stations or articles in magazines:

as lures to bring the eyes to the paid advertising

as marshall macluhan pointed out - we are the product being sold to the advertizers

199 sattv4u2  Apr 9, 2014 2:25:46pm

re: #197 Killgore Trout

Next up: How Facebook’s Political Donations Could Make It The Next Mozilla

Didn’t someone mention “can o’ worms” the other day!?!?

oh yeah ,, this guy did !!!

202 Killgore Trout  Apr 9, 2014 2:27:58pm

re: #199 sattv4u2

Didn’t someone mention “can o’ worms” the other day!?!?

oh yeah ,, this guy did !!!

Nice job you have there, it’d be a shame if something happened to it.
/

203 Lidane  Apr 9, 2014 2:28:14pm
204 dog philosopher  Apr 9, 2014 2:28:28pm

re: #197 Killgore Trout

Next up: How Facebook’s Political Donations Could Make It The Next Mozilla

As recently as last year, Facebook contributed to three politicians who supported the Stop Online Piracy Act and Protect IP Act, policies that threatened free speech online, according to the filing. Forty-one percent of Facebook’s PAC contributions also went to politicians who voted against LGBT rights, with another third going toward candidates pushing the deregulation of greenhouse gas emissions and striking down the American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009.

even more reason for me to continue to ignore a website notorious for its privacy problems that in any case is of absolutely no use to me

205 sattv4u2  Apr 9, 2014 2:29:51pm

re: #200 Killgore Trout

The war on comedy continues: Jon Stewart cursed me out: I dared question a “Daily Show” warm-up comic’s racist jokes

Not totally unrelated, but for all the niceness that Bob Saget portrays on TV,, his standup is absolutely filthy

206 wrenchwench  Apr 9, 2014 2:30:18pm

207 Varek Raith  Apr 9, 2014 2:30:55pm
208 Targetpractice  Apr 9, 2014 2:33:22pm

re: #197 Killgore Trout

Next up: How Facebook’s Political Donations Could Make It The Next Mozilla

Wait, you mean a company’s shareholders might worry that the company they hold shares in might be going against its own principles? Heaven forbid!

///

209 Killgore Trout  Apr 9, 2014 2:33:32pm

re: #205 sattv4u2

Not totally unrelated, but for all the niceness that Bob Saget portrays on TV,, his standup is absolutely filthy

Once I finish this time machine I’m going back to the 80’s to boycott his show.

210 wrenchwench  Apr 9, 2014 2:34:37pm

Damnit. I have that thing where if I click on a YouTube in the Spy, it hijacks the tab and opens a full screen video. Guess I’ll close everything and clear the cache and refresh go back to work.

211 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 9, 2014 2:35:30pm

re: #179 Charles Johnson

I can’t believe what a massive pain in the nethers it is to fix everything that’s possibly affected by this Heartbleed apocalypse. So much stuff. All day, new problem areas keep occurring to me.

This Meme’s for You…

Heartbleed Apocalypse

Mainly because you used the word Nethers.

Thanks again for all you’ve done, and are doing.

RBS

212 sattv4u2  Apr 9, 2014 2:36:06pm

heh

Kate Mulgrew says she was tricked into narrating film that argues the Sun revolves around Earth

avclub.com

according to Mulgrew, she too was misled. In a post on her Facebook page, the actress addressed that discussion, denying any involvement beyond being a hired gun who maybe should have asked a few more questions:

I understand there has been some controversy about my participation in a documentary called THE PRINCIPLE. Let me assure everyone that I completely agree with the eminent physicist Lawrence Krauss, who was himself misrepresented in the film, and who has written a succinct rebuttal in SLATE. I am not a geocentrist, nor am I in any way a proponent of geocentrism

213 Lidane  Apr 9, 2014 2:36:41pm

re: #206 wrenchwench

That looks a lot like my youngest kitten:

214 Charles Johnson  Apr 9, 2014 2:38:12pm

re: #210 wrenchwench

Damnit. I have that thing where if I click on a YouTube in the Spy, it hijacks the tab and opens a full screen video. Guess I’ll close everything and clear the cache and refresh go back to work.

Fixed now.

215 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 9, 2014 2:39:06pm

re: #197 Killgore Trout

Next up: How Facebook’s Political Donations Could Make It The Next Mozilla

You realize that it’s shareholders—i.e. owners of the company—who are raising these questions about how the company’s money is spent, right?

Not even in your lala-libertarian land can you possibly have a fucking problem with that.

216 Lidane  Apr 9, 2014 2:39:14pm

Please proceed:

217 wrenchwench  Apr 9, 2014 2:39:52pm

re: #213 Lidane

That looks a lot like my youngest kitten:

[Embedded image]

Yes indeed! That’s my Manx. He’s got a one inch tail. Does yours have the nose smudge that looks like he dipped it in coffee?

218 wrenchwench  Apr 9, 2014 2:40:39pm

re: #214 Charles Johnson

Fixed now.

OK, I don’t have to go back to work now!

////

219 Lidane  Apr 9, 2014 2:42:03pm

re: #217 wrenchwench

Yes indeed! That’s my Manx. He’s got a one inch tail. Does yours have the nose smudge that looks like he dipped it in coffee?

No, her nose is pink. She’s got small smudges like that on the sides of her mouth though. She’s also got a longer tail.

220 BeenHereAwhile  Apr 9, 2014 2:42:55pm

re: #153 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

It’s legislative subpoenas, the ruling is that they’d violate the 5th amendment rights to protect themselves against the ongoing criminal investigation.

It’s the first step in invoking the “Oliver North” defense strategy.

221 HappyWarrior  Apr 9, 2014 2:43:45pm

re: #216 Lidane

Please proceed:

[Embedded content]

It’s a weird world when Jeb Bush is looking like the voice of moderation and reason within the GOP.

222 Lidane  Apr 9, 2014 2:45:10pm

re: #221 HappyWarrior

It’s a weird world when Jeb Bush is looking like the voice of moderation and reason within the GOP.

It’s also a bad sign when the GOP would seriously consider a third member of the same family for POTUS. Says a lot about the quality of their bench.

223 sattv4u2  Apr 9, 2014 2:46:53pm

re: #222 Lidane

It’s also a bad sign when the GOP would seriously consider a third member of the same family for POTUS. Says a lot about the quality of their bench.

I’ll remind you of this post when Chelsea runs in 2032!!!!

//

224 thedopefishlives  Apr 9, 2014 2:47:05pm

Evening Lizardim from the beautifully clear wild north country. Spring is in full swing here in the northlands, and I got plenty of chance to enjoy it, having to park miles out of my way and walk all through downtown to get to a lunchtime meeting. All that AND the Twins lost. *grumble* How go things among the lizardfolk on this glorious spring day?

225 Targetpractice  Apr 9, 2014 2:49:42pm

re: #215 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

You realize that it’s shareholders—i.e. owners of the company—who are raising these questions about how the company’s money is spent, right?

Not even in your lala-libertarian land can you possibly have a fucking problem with that.

Don’t you see, Obdi, they’re being “pressured”! Their “free speech” is imperiled! It could be us next!!!

////

226 Lidane  Apr 9, 2014 2:51:11pm

re: #225 Targetpractice

Don’t you see, Obdi, they’re being “pressured”! Their “free speech” is imperiled! It could be us next!!!

////

First they came for the CEO, then they came for the shareholders…

////////////////////

227 sattv4u2  Apr 9, 2014 2:51:19pm

re: #224 thedopefishlives

Evening Lizardim from the beautifully clear wild north country. Spring is in full swing here in the northlands, and I got plenty of chance to enjoy it, having to park miles out of my way and walk all through downtown to get to a lunchtime meeting. All that AND the Twins lost. *grumble* How go things among the lizardfolk on this glorious spring day?

Had the morning off. Spent it grocery shopping!! (HEY ,,, Wednesdays are 5% senior discount days!!!)

Working till anywhere between 8-10 tonight

Next two days off. GLORIOUS weather predicted for tomorrow and just about as nice Friday
golf tomorrow ,,, yard work and 2nd coating of deck sealant Friday as soon as my son gets home from college

228 Floral Giraffe  Apr 9, 2014 2:52:22pm

KT, this is for you!
I just saw Killgore with the top score on a capture the flag I’m working
on :P
Tell him I’m jelly

From my nephew the computer nerd!

229 dog philosopher  Apr 9, 2014 2:53:59pm

got a cold call from a company wanting to sell me their SEO services in regard to the website for my little company

let’s see… i spend $0 on ads, so my estimated advertizing to sales effectiveness would be… um… infinity

230 sattv4u2  Apr 9, 2014 2:58:17pm

re: #227 sattv4u2

Had the morning off. Spent it grocery shopping

heh ,, just reminded myself. I have to google 2 recipes!!

231 Varek Raith  Apr 9, 2014 3:03:08pm

re: #215 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

You realize that it’s shareholders—i.e. owners of the company—who are raising these questions about how the company’s money is spent, right?

Not even in your lala-libertarian land can you possibly have a fucking problem with that.

Damn crickets!

232 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2014 3:05:01pm

Hit a snag on setting up hubby’s new laptop: Firefox won’t download. Well, supposedly it downloaded, but when I clicked the “Finish” button, nothing happened.
Guess my next step will be attempting Chrome.

233 sattv4u2  Apr 9, 2014 3:11:06pm

re: #230 sattv4u2

Had the morning off. Spent it grocery shopping

heh ,, just reminded myself. I have to google 2 recipes!!

re: #231 Varek Raith

Damn crickets!

No. i’m not looking for a recipe for crickets!

234 Bubblehead II  Apr 9, 2014 3:13:35pm

re: #233 sattv4u2

No. i’m not looking for a recipe for crickets!

Your not? :-)

235 dog philosopher  Apr 9, 2014 3:14:08pm

re: #215 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

You realize that it’s shareholders—i.e. owners of the company—who are raising these questions about how the company’s money is spent, right?

Not even in your lala-libertarian land can you possibly have a fucking problem with that.

i have some sympathy with the idea that an employee’s private actions shouldn’t normally be used to get them fired from their job

altho a ceo is the public face of the company and leader of its workforce so his/her personal actions reflect on the company and impact their job performance in a way that ‘individual contributors’ do not

but what really annoyed me was the ridiculous assertion that ideological uniformity would now necessarily be imposed on all mozilla employees

236 Justanotherhuman  Apr 9, 2014 3:18:38pm

Florida Highway Patrol: There are no fatalities in Orlando daycare crash, despite earlier reports - @JeffWeinerOS, @KristinGiannas
end of alert

237 Jack Burton  Apr 9, 2014 3:19:59pm

re: #172 wrenchwench

Adam Kokesh is a crazy libertarian who had his own show on Russia Today.

And that’s about the most flattering thing that can be said about that kook.

238 sattv4u2  Apr 9, 2014 3:21:17pm

re: #236 Justanotherhuman

Florida Highway Patrol: There are no fatalities in Orlando daycare crash, despite earlier reports - @JeffWeinerOS, @KristinGiannas
end of alert

good news!

239 EPR-radar  Apr 9, 2014 3:22:03pm

re: #231 Varek Raith

Damn crickets!

Anything bad happens to an aristocrat, outrage! Anything bad happens to a normal person, so what.

240 sattv4u2  Apr 9, 2014 3:23:57pm

re: #234 Bubblehead II

Your not? :-)

I am, when I’m getting my Andrew Zimmern on!!!!

Image: Andrew-Zimmern-promo.jpg

241 thedopefishlives  Apr 9, 2014 3:24:39pm

re: #239 EPR-radar

Anything bad happens to an aristocrat, outrage! Anything bad happens to a normal person, so what.

I love it when they try to lump “rich people” and “middle-class people” together like anything that benefits them benefits us. We all know that isn’t how it works.

242 dog philosopher  Apr 9, 2014 3:30:01pm

wingnut blogger sez

Here is something I hadn’t known about Obamacare. Most people who haven’t bought health insurance yet this year will not be able to buy insurance until January 1, 2015.

despite the very visible warnings that open enrollment would end??? really???

243 EPR-radar  Apr 9, 2014 3:31:34pm

re: #241 thedopefishlives

I love it when they try to lump “rich people” and “middle-class people” together like anything that benefits them benefits us. We all know that isn’t how it works.

Its quite the racket. The specter of poverty haunts the middle class since a medical issue or lost job can easily move one from middle class to poor. Meanwhile, the powers that be pump out incessant propaganda to the effect that the problem with the poor is laziness and lack of talent.

This has even infected the language (e.g., “human resources”, “marketable skills” etc.).

244 sattv4u2  Apr 9, 2014 3:32:45pm

re: #242 dog philosopher

wingnut blogger sez

Here is something I hadn’t known about Obamacare. Most people who haven’t bought health insurance yet this year will not be able to buy insurance until January 1, 2015.

despite the very visible warnings that open enrollment would end??? really???

Under certain conditions, “you’ can still get coverage post March 31

health.usnews.com

245 Varek Raith  Apr 9, 2014 3:33:19pm

re: #242 dog philosopher

wingnut blogger sez

Here is something I hadn’t known about Obamacare. Most people who haven’t bought health insurance yet this year will not be able to buy insurance until January 1, 2015.

despite the very visible warnings that open enrollment would end??? really???

Through the exchanges.

246 jaunte  Apr 9, 2014 3:34:00pm
247 jaunte  Apr 9, 2014 3:34:37pm
248 wrenchwench  Apr 9, 2014 3:35:10pm

re: #246 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Did GHWB tousle her hair?

249 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2014 3:35:15pm

re: #242 dog philosopher

wingnut blogger sez

Here is something I hadn’t known about Obamacare. Most people who haven’t bought health insurance yet this year will not be able to buy insurance until January 1, 2015.

despite the very visible warnings that open enrollment would end??? really???

Sure they can still buy insurance. Just not through the exchanges.

250 Bubblehead II  Apr 9, 2014 3:36:18pm

re: #240 sattv4u2

I am, when I’m getting my Andrew Zimmern on!!!!

Image: Andrew-Zimmern-promo.jpg

Thanks. Had to Google him.

251 jaunte  Apr 9, 2014 3:36:34pm
252 sattv4u2  Apr 9, 2014 3:37:36pm

re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sure they can still buy insurance. Just not through the exchanges.

Under certain conditions they still can

(# 244)

253 sattv4u2  Apr 9, 2014 3:37:54pm

re: #250 Bubblehead II

Thanks. Had to Google him.

You should check out his show

nuts!

254 dog philosopher  Apr 9, 2014 3:42:29pm

re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sure they can still buy insurance. Just not through the exchanges.

here’s the article, from some website with the peculiar name of ‘fox news’

foxnews.com

There is yet another ObamaCare surprise waiting for consumers: from now until the next open enrollment at the end of this year, most people will simply not be able to buy any health insurance at all, even outside the exchanges.

“It’s all closed down. You cannot buy a policy that is a qualified policy for the purpose of the ACA (the Affordable Care Act) until next year on January 1,” says John DiVito, president of Flexbenefit which has 2,500 brokers.

John Goodman of the National Center for Policy Analysis in Dallas adds, “People are not going to be able to buy individual and family policies, and that’s part of ObamaCare. And what makes it so surprising is the whole point of ObamaCare was to encourage people to get insurance, and now the market has been completely closed down for the next seven months.”

That means that with few exceptions, tens of millions of people will be locked out of the health insurance market for the rest of this year.

snip

There is one way consumers can still sign up, but only under limited circumstances.

“If you have a qualifying event, a life qualifying event, which means you get married, you get divorced, you get fired from your job” says Goodman. Or you have a child, or lose a spouse or have a change in income.

“It has to be one of those kinds of events,” he adds. “And if you don’t have that, you’re not going to be able to buy insurance.”

not sure what to think

255 dog philosopher  Apr 9, 2014 3:44:18pm

re: #245 Varek Raith

Through the exchanges.

yes, that was my understanding, and i thought the end of the enrollment period for the year through the exchanges was publicized very widely

256 klys  Apr 9, 2014 3:46:07pm

re: #255 dog philosopher

yes, that was my understanding, and i thought the end of the enrollment period for the year through the exchanges was publicized very widely

You mean, like, how you can’t change insurance at the office midway through the year?

Huh.

//

257 palomino  Apr 9, 2014 3:46:54pm

re: #123 NJDhockeyfan

Chicago? Must be Obama’s fault.

He doesn’t live there, but still his fault.

258 palomino  Apr 9, 2014 4:05:53pm

re: #200 Killgore Trout

The war on comedy continues: Jon Stewart cursed me out: I dared question a “Daily Show” warm-up comic’s racist jokes

That article is total bullshit. The author is angry because a warm-up comic at a Stewart show taping SIX years ago told some ethnic jokes she didn’t like. She’s so upset about it that she waited all that time to write the piece (conveniently at the time of the Colbert non-controversy). And she didn’t even do any research at the time (or now) to find out who the offensive comedian actually is.

259 theheat  Apr 9, 2014 4:13:39pm

re: #150 Justanotherhuman

Fucking subpoenas, how do they work? //

Judge should be thrown from the bench.

260 EPR-radar  Apr 9, 2014 5:25:25pm

Relating to the OP here, Hunter at DailyKos does not disappoint:

So government didn’t free the slaves, it was just the Constitution and Abraham Lincoln, neither of which is government because shut up. Also, the slaves were freed because the American people wanted to free the slaves, except for the half that didn’t, shut up about that too please, and Dred Scott was terrible and defining people as property was terrible and we will go to great and gymnastic lengths to not mention an entire freaking and unbelievably bloody war premised on the supposed small-gubbermint right to keep defining those people as property or to leave and form a new country which would. Nope, it was all the Constitution and the people and long-dead British politicians, and I say unto you again will you please shut up about the rest of it.

dailykos.com

261 The Awkward Guy  Apr 9, 2014 7:03:07pm

re: #197 Killgore Trout

GAZE

262 De Kolta Chair  Apr 10, 2014 10:27:49am

re: #247 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Isn’t that Rene “In the Line of Fire” Russo behind the limo?


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A Closer Look at the Eastman State Bar DecisionTaking a few minutes away from work things to read through the Eastman decision. As I'm sure many of you know, Eastman was my law school con law professor. I knew him pretty well because I was also running in ...
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Yesterday
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