Open Thread (w/ Heartbleed News)

Heartbleedocalypse
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I’ll need to put the LGF web server into maintenance mode for a short time, probably within the next 3 hours, in order to complete some work cleaning up the mess created by this nasty Heartbleed apocalypse you might have heard about. The good news is that our servers are completely patched against the bug, and our SSL certificate has been revoked, reissued and reinstalled. When all the necessary back-end stuff is complete, I’ll be asking all registered LGF users to change their passwords ASAP, but hold off until I give the signal.

It’s a really interesting mental exercise to exhaustively go though a server and identify everything that might be a security problem if it’s in the server’s memory. That’s what makes Heartbleed insidious — it essentially gives an attacker access to the server’s entire memory (in 64K chunks, with repeated requests), and when encrypted data is in RAM it’s in decrypted form. Basically, the exploit based on this OpenSSL bug makes everything that should be private on a server easily accessible if it’s ever read into RAM, and it leaves not a single trace of its filthy work.

In the meantime, here’s an open thread as I get things set up so this maintenance time can be as short as possible.

UPDATE at 4/9/14 6:01:18 pm

We went into and out of maintenance mode so fast you may not have noticed it, but LGF’s servers are now fully protected from the Heartbleed monster. Time to change your LGF passwords, folks.

And if you’re not already using 1Password, you really should look into it. It makes password management 271% less stressful.

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381 comments
1 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 9, 2014 3:40:52pm

Thanks, Charles.
Really…thanks!

2 Bubblehead II  Apr 9, 2014 3:41:19pm

Already started. Phone company, power company, internet provider, bank. You get the picture. What a pain in the ass.

And thanks Charles for doing you’re best to keep us secure.

3 klys  Apr 9, 2014 3:42:11pm

NOTE TO LIZARDS: changing your passwords isn’t going to help until the companies in question have actually patched and updated their servers, assuming they need to.

4 Varek Raith  Apr 9, 2014 3:43:59pm

re: #3 klys

NOTE TO LIZARDS: changing your passwords isn’t going to help until the companies in question have actually patched and updated their servers, assuming they need to.

Bolded for truth.

5 Charles Johnson  Apr 9, 2014 3:45:12pm
6 wrenchwench  Apr 9, 2014 3:46:56pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

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From there:

All good, littlegreenfootballs.com seems fixed or unaffected!

7 Varek Raith  Apr 9, 2014 3:48:43pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

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Most excellent.

8 Dave In Austin  Apr 9, 2014 3:50:19pm

The black and white OverLords and Bedhogs

9 Charles Johnson  Apr 9, 2014 3:50:44pm

The code that caused this is embarrassingly simple, and it’s kind of surprising nobody found it in two years. It’s a simple bounds checking error — a two-byte unsigned integer value that isn’t checked to make sure it’s not over the limit. But it’s a big open source project.

10 Bubblehead II  Apr 9, 2014 3:51:05pm

re: #3 klys

NOTE TO LIZARDS: changing your passwords isn’t going to help until the companies in question have actually patched and updated their servers, assuming they need to.

The companies I do business with checked out with Filippo.io/Heartbleed/ so I went ahead and changed PWs.

Will be keeping an eye on bank account because my bank, while aware of the problem, seemed to be not concerned about it. But the Rep couldn’t or wouldn’t tell me that they had addressed the issue.

11 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 9, 2014 3:52:32pm

Also ensure that your local OpenSSL & OpenSSL Client software is up to date as well. For most OS’s this will be as simple as running update. You can bet that if they stop succeeding server side, they’ll find out who isn’t update on the client side and try to work that angle.

SO will MS update the XP implementation one last time or will they sweep this under the rug?

12 Charles Johnson  Apr 9, 2014 3:53:04pm

A lot of banks were never affected by this bug, because they weren’t using OpenSSL.

13 thedopefishlives  Apr 9, 2014 3:53:42pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

The code that caused this is embarrassingly simple, and it’s kind of surprising nobody found it in two years. It’s a simple bounds checking error — a two-byte integer value that isn’t checked to make sure it really is a two-byte integer. But it’s a big open source project.

And that’s just it. On a project of the scale of OpenSSL, there may be bugs that are undiscovered even after it gets completely replaced by another library. Even with thorough code review, all it takes is for a reviewer’s eyes to glaze over at the wrong moment to allow a simple one-line bug to slip in.

14 Targetpractice  Apr 9, 2014 3:56:17pm

re: #11 William Barnett-Lewis

Also ensure that your local OpenSSL & OpenSSL Client software is up to date as well. For most OS’s this will be as simple as running update. You can bet that if they stop succeeding server side, they’ll find out who isn’t update on the client side and try to work that angle.

SO will MS update the XP implementation one last time or will they sweep this under the rug?

Speaking of which, looks like I need to update my Win7. BRB

15 klys  Apr 9, 2014 3:57:23pm

For some of the …less technical Lizards, a quick explanation of what’s going on and what you should worry about:

This bug allowed someone unauthorized access to data stored in the memory. This data could include things like the super-duper private key that a website uses to tell the browser this really is that website server and not a fake one set up to fool you. It could also include things like usernames and passwords.

Because this is a bug in the code on the server, there’s nothing you need to do on your personal computer to avoid it. In fact, there’s nothing you can do. What you do need to do, once you have verified that the website is not still exposed to the bug, is change your password at sites that were affected.*

It is worth noting that although a lot of sites used this particular implementation, it is certainly not all. Some sites were probably not exposed at all. There, you don’t need to change your password. I feel obliged to point out that security experts say it is a good practice to change your passwords periodically regardless, and if you want to use this as an excuse to do so, that’s fine.

* I confess, there are places that were hit that I probably won’t bother with updating the password on. High value targets? Sure. But that’s my own personal determination of risk online.

16 Bubblehead II  Apr 9, 2014 4:00:18pm

re: #13 thedopefishlives

And that’s just it. On a project of the scale of OpenSSL, there may be bugs that are undiscovered even after it gets completely replaced by another library. Even with thorough code review, all it takes is for a reviewer’s eyes to glaze over at the wrong moment to allow a simple one-line bug to slip in.

This. As a Slot Tech with 20+ years of experience, I can’t remember how may times a newbie has walked up to a problem that is driving me nuts and pointed out something I overlooked. Last time it was a pinched wire in a location that the wire shouldn’t have gotten pinched, but did. Sometimes we look for problems deeper than we should and become blinded to a simpler and more obvious cause.

17 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 9, 2014 4:00:46pm

re: #13 thedopefishlives

And that’s just it. On a project of the scale of OpenSSL, there may be bugs that are undiscovered even after it gets completely replaced by another library. Even with thorough code review, all it takes is for a reviewer’s eyes to glaze over at the wrong moment to allow a simple one-line bug to slip in.

Eyes don’t even have to glaze… just has to not anticipate every possible exploit that could come from a single line of code. Like I tell my students, the hacker doesn’t have to be smarter than you are, he just has to know 1 thing you don’t.

RBS

18 klys  Apr 9, 2014 4:10:38pm

Useful things for protecting yourself on the Internet:

Run the most up-to-date version of your preferred browser.

Make sure you get the updates for your operating system.

Set the virus/malware scanner to update and run itself automatically.

If you are unsure on an e-mail that you’ve received, go directly to the website by typing in the address/clicking through from Google instead of clicking links in the e-mail.

Always check to make sure that something you’re installing isn’t going to install 47 other unwanted programs as well.

If you insist on running Flash, keep it up to date.

19 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 9, 2014 4:13:22pm
20 darthstar  Apr 9, 2014 4:14:54pm
21 sattv4u2  Apr 9, 2014 4:15:41pm

re: #19 NJDhockeyfan

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I would NEVER be able to get the dogs off the bed!

22 kirkspencer  Apr 9, 2014 4:18:05pm

re: #18 klys

Useful things for protecting yourself on the Internet:

Run the most up-to-date version of your preferred browser.

Make sure you get the updates for your operating system.

Set the virus/malware scanner to update and run itself automatically.

If you are unsure on an e-mail that you’ve received, go directly to the website by typing in the address/clicking through from Google instead of clicking links in the e-mail.

Always check to make sure that something you’re installing isn’t going to install 47 other unwanted programs as well.

If you insist on running Flash, keep it up to date.

Or java, or acroread, or adblocker, or …

23 thedopefishlives  Apr 9, 2014 4:20:42pm

re: #20 darthstar

Your reply was spot on. People are seriously jumping at shadows now.

24 wrenchwench  Apr 9, 2014 4:24:05pm

re: #23 thedopefishlives

Your reply was spot on. People are seriously jumping at shadows now.

Greenwald’s throwing the shadows, trying to make other people jump.

25 calochortus  Apr 9, 2014 4:24:28pm

Questions from a certified Luddite:
Do I understand correctly that Heartbleed was discovered a couple days ago as a vulnerability, but no one knows whether anyone else discovered and exploited it?
For something that has apparently existed for 2 years, why all the sudden ‘don’t trust the internet’ stuff I’m hearing?
Are we less safe today than we were last month?

26 Justanotherhuman  Apr 9, 2014 4:24:40pm

Msg I got when I checked gmail.

All good, mail.google.com seems fixed or unaffected!

27 darthstar  Apr 9, 2014 4:24:54pm

re: #23 thedopefishlives

Your reply was spot on. People are seriously jumping at shadows now.

Everything internet related isn’t about the NSA.

28 sattv4u2  Apr 9, 2014 4:26:14pm

re: #27 darthstar

Everything internet related isn’t about the NSA.

They saw that!!

29 darthstar  Apr 9, 2014 4:26:29pm

re: #26 Justanotherhuman

Msg I got when I checked gmail.

All good, mail.google.com seems fixed or unaffected!

I went to our IT department, was told it didn’t affect us. I checked three of our customer facing secure applications, and one of them was, in fact, vulnerable.

30 dog philosopher  Apr 9, 2014 4:28:17pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

The code that caused this is embarrassingly simple, and it’s kind of surprising nobody found it in two years. It’s a simple bounds checking error — a two-byte integer value that isn’t checked to make sure it really is a two-byte integer. But it’s a big open source project.

well of course bounds checking is typical of the kind of thing that should be caught in code review, so so much for the tremendous distributed code review that is supposed to be one of the benefits of open source projects

but beyond that, i don’t know why handing over a copy of a chunk of memory is necessary to implement heartbeat functionality, so it should have leapt out at them as a controversial solution, and one that would generate concern and attention

so it appears that the great benefit of code review and optimization by many eyes widely touted for open source never happened at all here:

Open Source For America

Benefits of Open Source Software

The Open Source model harnesses the power of distributed peer review and transparency to create high-quality, secure and easily integrated software at an accelerated pace and lower cost.

Primary benefits of open source software are:

Choice: By its very nature, the source code of open source software is available to all, meaning that no one company owns the software….

…Reliability: Open source is peer reviewed software, which leads to more reliability.

31 dog philosopher  Apr 9, 2014 4:29:52pm

re: #30 dog philosopher

add

Security: Open source enables anyone to examine software for security flaws. The continuous and broad peer-review enabled by publicly available source code improves security through the identification and elimination of defects that might otherwise be missed. Gartner for example, recommends the open source Apache Web server as a more secure alternative to closed source Internet Information servers. The availability of source code also facilitates in-depth security reviews and audits by government customers.

not always

32 klys  Apr 9, 2014 4:29:54pm

re: #25 calochortus

Questions from a certified Luddite:
Do I understand correctly that Heartbleed was discovered a couple days ago as a vulnerability, but no one knows whether anyone else discovered and exploited it?
For something that has apparently existed for 2 years, why all the sudden ‘don’t trust the internet’ stuff I’m hearing?
Are we less safe today than we were last month?

Now we know that in some places, things were less secure than thought - and this in one of the primary ways people checked identity.

On the other hand, the Internet is always out to get you.

33 Justanotherhuman  Apr 9, 2014 4:30:54pm

Murrysville, Pa., high school stabbing suspect charged with 4 counts of attempted criminal homicide, 21 counts of aggravated assault, 1 count of carrying weapon on school property; bail denied - @WTAE
read more on wtae.com

34 darthstar  Apr 9, 2014 4:31:07pm
35 Justanotherhuman  Apr 9, 2014 4:34:27pm
36 darthstar  Apr 9, 2014 4:35:43pm

Well…this is embarrassing.

avclub.com

37 freetoken  Apr 9, 2014 4:36:36pm

re: #36 darthstar

I blame it on Q punking Earth, again.

38 Justanotherhuman  Apr 9, 2014 4:37:20pm

Suspected perp in daycare hit and run.

Corchado is awaiting trial for leaving scene of a crash in December. He was also charged with drug possession. #Local6


>

39 goddamnedfrank  Apr 9, 2014 4:37:29pm

If you aren’t following Goldie Taylor on Twitter you’re really missing out.

40 Targetpractice  Apr 9, 2014 4:38:41pm

re: #38 Justanotherhuman

Suspected perp in daycare hit and run.

Corchado is awaiting trial for leaving scene of a crash in December. He was also charged with drug possession. #Local6

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Wait, so the guy they suspect in the hit-and-run done today is already awaiting trial for a previous hit-and-run?

41 calochortus  Apr 9, 2014 4:38:45pm

re: #32 klys

Now we know that in some places, things were less secure than thought - and this in one of the primary ways people checked identity.

On the other hand, the Internet is always out to get you.

Well, duh, of course it is.
A young techie neighbor was horrified to discover I have a fairly simple password for my e-mail account because he was sure I was sending sensitive information in my e-mails. I had to point out the only thing someone hacking into my account would find out is when friends are coming for dinner, whether my daughter wants me to bring my toolbox when we tackle some project, or pictures from a friend’s trip. I would never trust anything sensitive to e-mail because I don’t know for sure that the person on the other end has good security.

42 sattv4u2  Apr 9, 2014 4:39:23pm

re: #36 darthstar

Well…this is embarrassing.

avclub.com

yeah. I had that in the previous thread

littlegreenfootballs.com

44 freetoken  Apr 9, 2014 4:40:11pm

A topic raised last night, the early death of 80’s-90’s TV personality Ultimate Warrior, a heavy user of steroids and promoter of such, and which probably contributed to his massive heart attack - here is a story which recounts why so many people did not like Hellwig:

The Ultimate Warrior Was An Insane Dick

We mostly think it poor form to criticize the dead, but I think there is value to seeing how a character marketed to children as some sort of idol really ought to be anything but.

45 Justanotherhuman  Apr 9, 2014 4:40:15pm

re: #36 darthstar

Well…this is embarrassing.

avclub.com

If she was tricked, she should be seeing a lawyer.

46 thedopefishlives  Apr 9, 2014 4:40:51pm

re: #44 freetoken

I have no problems with criticizing the dead for things they actually did wrong. No one should be held upon a pedestal.

47 Lidane  Apr 9, 2014 4:40:52pm

Ready! Fire! Aim!

48 Justanotherhuman  Apr 9, 2014 4:42:31pm

re: #40 Targetpractice

Wait, so the guy they suspect in the hit-and-run done today is already awaiting trial for a previous hit-and-run?

Yes, and he may be traveling on a foreign passport as well, which is why the TSA is involved, out at Orlando Intl Airport.

49 danarchy  Apr 9, 2014 4:42:57pm

re: #11 William Barnett-Lewis

Also ensure that your local OpenSSL & OpenSSL Client software is up to date as well. For most OS’s this will be as simple as running update. You can bet that if they stop succeeding server side, they’ll find out who isn’t update on the client side and try to work that angle.

SO will MS update the XP implementation one last time or will they sweep this under the rug?

Unless you install Openssl on your machine, microsoft uses their own implementation of SSL so no need to patch. At least not for this bug.

50 darthstar  Apr 9, 2014 4:47:30pm

re: #29 darthstar

I went to our IT department, was told it didn’t affect us. I checked three of our customer facing secure applications, and one of them was, in fact, vulnerable.

Make that two out of four sites - just remembered a pay gateway…but nobody would want to hack a site with ‘pay’ in the url.

51 wrenchwench  Apr 9, 2014 4:48:03pm

re: #50 darthstar

Make that two out of four sites - just remembered a pay gateway…but nobody would want to hack a site with ‘pay’ in the url.

Does your IT department hate you now?

52 darthstar  Apr 9, 2014 4:48:25pm

re: #51 wrenchwench

Does your IT department hate you now?

I’m the QA manager - everyone who doesn’t work for me hates me.

53 sattv4u2  Apr 9, 2014 4:48:26pm

re: #51 wrenchwench

Does your IT department hate you now?

NOW!?!?!?!
/

54 darthstar  Apr 9, 2014 4:49:56pm

re: #53 sattv4u2

NOW!?!?!?!
/

By the way, I use the same persona when sending internal emails…just pinged my boss to say “every asshole on the internet with nothing to do is looking for a site to hack” so we really should put some resources into cleaning this shit up.

He actually respects that kind of approach.

55 wrenchwench  Apr 9, 2014 4:51:57pm
56 sattv4u2  Apr 9, 2014 4:52:14pm

re: #54 darthstar

By the way, I use the same persona when sending internal emails…just pinged my boss to say “every asshole on the internet with nothing to do is looking for a site to hack” so we really should put some resources into cleaning this shit up.

He actually respects that kind of approach.

same here

work nickname

The Grumpy Old Guy

no filter when dealing with co-workers, be they subordinates or higher ups

57 goddamnedfrank  Apr 9, 2014 4:52:33pm

re: #36 darthstar

Well…this is embarrassing.

avclub.com

Sungenis—who has a Ph.D. in religious studies from “a private distance-learning institution in Republic of Vanuatu”

An online theology Ph.D from Cargo Cult-land … makes sense.

58 sattv4u2  Apr 9, 2014 4:52:59pm

re: #55 wrenchwench

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I wouldn’t touch that

I would larva it alone!

59 Killgore Trout  Apr 9, 2014 4:54:47pm

NY Times Corrects Serious Error About McConnell ‘Bizarre Obsession’ Quote

The New York Times reported this week that Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell called gender pay equity a “bizarre obsession” of the left. The quote was picked up by a number of sites, including the Daily Kos, Talking Points Memo, The Huffington Post, and ThinkProgress. But as it turns out, that was not what McConnell made the comment about a “bizarre obsession” in reference to.

McConnell’s comments on the Senate floor were meant to attack Democrats and President Obama for not being serious about jobs and the economy, referring to the liberal attacks on the Koch brothers. The Times ended up misquoting McConnell, but added a correction today.

Could that really be an honest mistake or did the NYT just make it up for click bait? Sloppy journalism at best.

60 darthstar  Apr 9, 2014 4:55:16pm

re: #57 goddamnedfrank

An online theology Ph.D from Cargo Cult-land … makes sense.

I wonder if he minored in Pidgin. Vanuatu used to be New Hebrides - a small island group in the South Pacific. Gorgeous area, but super remote.

61 sattv4u2  Apr 9, 2014 4:57:07pm

re: #59 Killgore Trout

NY Times Corrects Serious Error About McConnell ‘Bizarre Obsession’ Quote

Could that really be an honest mistake or did the NYT just make it up for click bait? Sloppy journalism at best.

benefit of the doubt,,, honest mistake

BUT ,,,, someone could/ should have checked the full context of the quote before approval

62 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 9, 2014 4:58:24pm
63 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 9, 2014 5:00:02pm
64 Lidane  Apr 9, 2014 5:02:31pm

re: #63 NJDhockeyfan

But everyone knows the French were just a bunch of cheese eating surrender monkeys in WW2! How is that photo possible?!

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65 Justanotherhuman  Apr 9, 2014 5:02:58pm

Cheez, all kinds of bizarre things happening today.

Car fire spreads to 4 buildings

wcvb.com

66 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 9, 2014 5:03:23pm
67 sattv4u2  Apr 9, 2014 5:03:43pm

And on that note, the short walk to transmitter building beckons ,,, followed an hour later by the long quiet drive home

68 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 9, 2014 5:04:37pm
69 dog philosopher  Apr 9, 2014 5:04:40pm

re: #52 darthstar

I’m the QA manager - everyone who doesn’t work for me hates me.

as an application developer i rely much on good QA, so not me

70 PhillyPretzel  Apr 9, 2014 5:05:31pm

Does this bug effect OSX Mavericks?

71 kirkspencer  Apr 9, 2014 5:06:04pm

re: #43 dog philosopher

But today, Land Rover revealed a type of virtual reality technology that at first seems ridiculous, and then ingenous [sp!]: Making the front of a car invisible for climbing the roughest terrain

Screw rough terrain (though I see the use). I want it when I’m creeping up on a curb or a parked car. In fact put another set in the rear (supplementing the ‘back up camera’) for when I’m in reverse.

72 dog philosopher  Apr 9, 2014 5:06:10pm

re: #66 Pie-onist Overlord

Will #JebBush and #HillaryClinton play their own dynastic

what an opportunity for rand paul to be the non-dynastic independent in this…

oh wait

73 wrenchwench  Apr 9, 2014 5:06:47pm

re: #65 Justanotherhuman

Cheez, all kinds of bizarre things happening today.

Car fire spreads to 4 buildings

wcvb.com

Also:

I think that’s the University of New Mexico Hospital.

74 klys  Apr 9, 2014 5:07:39pm

re: #70 PhillyPretzel

Does this bug effect OSX Mavericks?

In the sense that there is something on your computer that you need to update, no.

In the sense that some websites you use (like this one) were affected and therefore your password could possibly maybe have been exposed, yes.

The solution is to change your password at affected sites *after the sites have been patched* (and Charles will make a post here when he’s ready for us to do so).

75 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 9, 2014 5:08:04pm

re: #71 kirkspencer

Screw rough terrain (though I see the use). I want it when I’m creeping up on a curb or a parked car. In fact put another set in the rear (supplementing the ‘back up camera’) for when I’m in reverse.

It’s going to be popular on the internet since it will make roadkill videos much easier to make.

76 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 9, 2014 5:09:07pm
77 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 9, 2014 5:09:51pm

Solar powered ox for the win!

Came across this on a link to various Earth Day events. Thought it was a neat variation use for the Paul Bunyan thing.

78 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 9, 2014 5:16:33pm
79 Political Atheist  Apr 9, 2014 5:18:46pm

So we started shopping at a Mexican grocery store chain, Vallarta. I like the layout, cleanliness, the prices (wow). Then I get to the butcher shop. I love a good butcher shop, American markets used to feature a good butcher.

I needed a Mexican vs American butcher chart for beef. I think I better brush up on my Sonoran dialect of Spanish before I try to get any custom cuts done, like a baseball cut from sirloin. Interesting how two cultures will cut so differently to get meat from a common food critter.
Fortunately I found this guide.

mexconnect.com

Overall I get the impression they cut for the pot mostly, and the grill or BBQ very little. “Thick T Bone” is just not hardly found in traditional Mexican cooking.

80 palmerskiss  Apr 9, 2014 5:20:12pm

re: #15 klys

For some of the …less technical Lizards, a quick explanation of what’s going on and what you should worry about:

This bug allowed someone unauthorized access to data stored in the memory. This data could include things like the super-duper private key that a website uses to tell the browser this really is that website server and not a fake one set up to fool you. It could also include things like usernames and passwords.

Because this is a bug in the code on the server, there’s nothing you need to do on your personal computer to avoid it. In fact, there’s nothing you can do. >What you do need to do, once you have verified that the website is not still exposed to the bug, is change your password at sites that were affected.*

It is worth noting that although a lot of sites used this particular implementation, it is certainly not all. Some sites were probably not exposed at all. There, you don’t need to change your password. I feel obliged to point out that security experts say it is a good practice to change your passwords periodically regardless, and if you want to use this as an excuse to do so, that’s fine.

* I confess, there are places that were hit that I probably won’t bother with updating the password on. High value targets? Sure. But that’s my own personal determination of risk online.

thank you for the primer :) I am certainly one of the less codey lizards.

81 Stanley Sea  Apr 9, 2014 5:20:53pm

re: #79 Political Atheist

So we started shopping at a Mexican grocery store chain, Vallarta. I like the layout, cleanliness, the prices (wow). Then I get to the butcher shop. I love a good butcher shop, American markets used to feature a good butcher.

I needed a Mexican vs American butcher chart for beef. I think I better brush up on my Sonoran dialect of Spanish before I try to get any custom cuts done, like a baseball cut from sirloin. Interesting how two cultures will cut so differently to get meat from a common food critter.
Fortunately I found this guide.

mexconnect.com

Overall I get the impression they cut for the pot mostly, and the grill or BBQ very little. “Thick T Bone” is just not hardly found in traditional Mexican cooking.

2 wins in your post. I love the Mexican grocery stores. It is a shame how we are ripped off at Vons et al.

82 Targetpractice  Apr 9, 2014 5:22:57pm

re: #78 NJDhockeyfan

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The machines have become self-aware!

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83 Political Atheist  Apr 9, 2014 5:24:30pm

re: #78 NJDhockeyfan

“Potentially hacked” as opposed to potentially a radio malfunctioning, operator error, software glitch, gyro fail, ordinary interference….

84 kirkspencer  Apr 9, 2014 5:25:16pm

re: #82 Targetpractice

The machines have become self-aware!

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More seriously, it’s this sort of thing that explains ‘why FAA rules for drones’ are going to happen. Or rather FAA and local, both.

85 Charles Johnson  Apr 9, 2014 5:26:08pm

Mmkay, folks. Almost ready to go into maintenance mode.

Hopefully, this should only take a few minutes. I’ll shut down at 5:30 Pacific time.

86 PhillyPretzel  Apr 9, 2014 5:27:44pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

Does that mean we have to get out of LGF?

87 Targetpractice  Apr 9, 2014 5:28:17pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

Mmkay, folks. Almost ready to go into maintenance mode.

Hopefully, this should only take a few minutes. I’ll shut down at 5:30 Pacific time.

I’ll try to control the jitters as long as I can.

88 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 9, 2014 5:28:25pm

I think he’s telling us we don’t have to go home, but we can’t stay here.

RBS

89 Political Atheist  Apr 9, 2014 5:28:37pm

re: #81 Stanley Sea

The two places where the butcher was really helpful-Pavilions (high end shi shi retail Ralphs for those unfamiliar) and the very affordable Mexican shops. Pro Tip for L.A.-‘Economy Meats” just rocks at the Grand Central Market on Hill. Totally Latin cuts on the shelf but good fast cutters and a good ear for what ya want.

90 freetoken  Apr 9, 2014 5:28:40pm

re: #86 PhillyPretzel

This is just a drill…

Youtube Video

91 goddamnedfrank  Apr 9, 2014 5:29:01pm

re: #83 Political Atheist

“Potentially hacked” as opposed to potentially a radio malfunctioning, operator error, software glitch, gyro fail, ordinary interference….

None of the options is particularly comforting though.

93 Charles Johnson  Apr 9, 2014 5:40:14pm

Nine minutes and 54 seconds later, we’re back.

94 Charles Johnson  Apr 9, 2014 5:40:29pm

All systems go.

95 klys  Apr 9, 2014 5:42:33pm

Strange how ‘free speech’ issues appear capable of turning some otherwise sensible people into nuts.

96 Stanley Sea  Apr 9, 2014 5:42:46pm

re: #44 freetoken

A topic raised last night, the early death of 80’s-90’s TV personality Ultimate Warrior, a heavy user of steroids and promoter of such, and which probably contributed to his massive heart attack - here is a story which recounts why so many people did not like Hellwig:

The Ultimate Warrior Was An Insane Dick

We mostly think it poor form to criticize the dead, but I think there is value to seeing how a character marketed to children as some sort of idol really ought to be anything but.

reading this now. whoa.

97 Charles Johnson  Apr 9, 2014 5:45:24pm

The LGF servers are now fully protected from the Heartbleed monster. This last maintenance mode update was to change the MySQL passwords and some other system-level keys and such, and while I was at it I upgraded all of the passwords to unique, long strings of highly randomized characters.

98 dog philosopher  Apr 9, 2014 5:45:44pm

Data uncover nation’s top Medicare billers

The Medicare program is the source of a small fortune for many U.S. doctors, according to a trove of government records that reveal unprecedented details about physician billing practices nationwide.

The government insurance program for older people paid nearly 4,000 physicians in excess of $1 million each in 2012, according to the new data. Those figures do not include what the doctors billed private insurance firms.

surely this fits in somehow with the wingnut meme that medicare is driving doctors outta business

99 Romantic Heretic  Apr 9, 2014 5:47:13pm

Sigh. Just found out my Dad isn’t going to be with us much longer. Lung cancer.

100 dog philosopher  Apr 9, 2014 5:47:29pm

re: #97 Charles Johnson

unique, long strings of highly randomized characters.

is that the sequel to ‘lemony snicket’s a series of unfortunate events’?

101 klys  Apr 9, 2014 5:47:32pm

re: #99 Romantic Heretic

Sigh. Just found out my Dad isn’t going to be with us much longer. Lung cancer.

{{RH}}

102 Romantic Heretic  Apr 9, 2014 5:47:49pm

re: #101 klys

{{RH}}

Thanks.

103 dog philosopher  Apr 9, 2014 5:48:10pm

re: #99 Romantic Heretic

Sigh. Just found out my Dad isn’t going to be with us much longer. Lung cancer.

hopes for him to be comfortable in this his difficult time

104 Charles Johnson  Apr 9, 2014 5:48:27pm

Please excuse me if I collapse into a mentally-drained heap now.

105 Stanley Sea  Apr 9, 2014 5:48:51pm

re: #99 Romantic Heretic

Sorry.

106 Charles Johnson  Apr 9, 2014 5:49:23pm

re: #99 Romantic Heretic

So sorry to hear that, RM.

107 Romantic Heretic  Apr 9, 2014 5:49:34pm

re: #103 dog philosopher

re: #105 Stanley Sea

Thank you.

108 Romantic Heretic  Apr 9, 2014 5:51:14pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

Thanks, Charles.

109 Political Atheist  Apr 9, 2014 5:52:32pm

re: #99 Romantic Heretic

Sigh. Just found out my Dad isn’t going to be with us much longer. Lung cancer.

Very sorry to see that. The parents are so big in our lives.

110 Bear  Apr 9, 2014 5:52:37pm

re: #99 Romantic Heretic

So sorry to see this.

111 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 9, 2014 5:52:40pm

It is worth watching the #tcot and correcting all the Fake Memes & Fake Quotes & all the shit. just to get something like this:

112 Charles Johnson  Apr 9, 2014 5:54:09pm

I was actually making physical notes on paper for this one.

This really is a nightmare situation for anyone who deals with web servers. The worst Internet security hole I’ve ever seen, by far.

We can only hope it hasn’t been exploited during the past two years, but that’s probably unrealistic. I’m not worried about the NSA, I’m worried about the criminal hacking gangs in Russia and China who operate with tacit approval from their governments.

114 wrenchwench  Apr 9, 2014 5:55:54pm

re: #99 Romantic Heretic

Sigh. Just found out my Dad isn’t going to be with us much longer. Lung cancer.

{{Romantic Heretic}}

I lost an uncle yesterday to esophageal cancer. He was the same age as my dad, who is old and unwell. I still can’t imagine losing him, though.

115 abolitionist  Apr 9, 2014 5:56:16pm

Last week I set up a refurbished PC for one of my daughter’s friends. It came with a fresh OEM install of W7 Home Premium, 32bit OS. The friend will be using it mostly off-line, but it still required some on-line time for initial setup, validation, updates, etc.

Using SecurAble — a safe and purely informational free tool for Windows — I was able to learn that DEP was not enabled, altho both the CPU and the OS could support that security feature, in principle.

SecureAble suggested checking whether this feature might have been disabled in the BIOS. Indeed it was disabled there, despite the factory default being “enabled”.

I altered the BIOS setting for DEP to enabled, saved changes, rebooted, and logged on, using an account with admin privileges. I was pleased to find the tool now reported Yes for the hardware DEP status, as did Windows, and another system info tool.

Not every OS, driver and application that might be installed will play nice with hardware DEP enabled. Apparently there were some issues with early releases of Vista, some early drivers and applications, and some OEMs may have gotten into a habit of disabling DEP in the BIOS.

(Or possibly such a policy may have been part of an XP-licensing deal for OEMs —who knows?)

If you try this sort of tweek, there may be some risk of breaking something, temporarily or worse, but the security benefits of hardware DEP may be worth it, especially if the hardware is not more than a few years old. (If it’s not your PC, I’d recommend getting the owner’s ok, especially if that’s your employer.)

116 JustMark  Apr 9, 2014 5:57:03pm

re: #99 Romantic Heretic

Sigh. Just found out my Dad isn’t going to be with us much longer. Lung cancer.

Sorry to hear. Thoughts for you and your family.

117 Political Atheist  Apr 9, 2014 5:57:22pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

Nine minutes and 54 seconds later, we’re back.

Well done and thanks for the hard work.

118 Stanley Sea  Apr 9, 2014 5:57:56pm

re: #111 Pie-onist Overlord

It is worth watching the #tcot and correcting all the Fake Memes & Fake Quotes & all the shit. just to get something like this:

[Embedded content]

Hell, his reward is my follow! ha

119 palmerskiss  Apr 9, 2014 6:00:26pm

re: #113 Charles Johnson

The Heartbleed Hit List: The Passwords You Need to Change Right Now

thank you! - and here - have a racist swan to end your evening with a chuckle.

littlegreenfootballs.com

120 Political Atheist  Apr 9, 2014 6:00:32pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

I was actually making physical notes on paper for this one.

This really is a nightmare situation for anyone who deals with web servers. The worst Internet security hole I’ve ever seen, by far.

We can only hope it hasn’t been exploited during the past two years, but that’s probably unrealistic. I’m not worried about the NSA, I’m worried about the criminal hacking gangs in Russia and China who operate with tacit approval from their governments.

Already with Ukraine and Russia wee saw some internet battles. From hacks to twitterprop, if that’s a word. I don’t think we have seen how harsh that can get as in state sponsored attacks like what was done to Iran. Except aimed far less specifically. One would suppose a modern state could do things far beyond even the bigger smarter criminal gangs.

121 PhillyPretzel  Apr 9, 2014 6:01:05pm

Well according to the link and the list the only password I have to change is this one. I will go to my credit union tomorrow and find out what I need to do there.

122 PhillyPretzel  Apr 9, 2014 6:05:15pm

okay. password is changed. sigh. I miss the old one already.

123 Political Atheist  Apr 9, 2014 6:05:18pm

re: #120 Political Atheist

Forgot to add how this was a weapon in waiting for state operators. Now it fades away as data perhaps already gained with this gets dated. And no one can make further use of it.

124 Charles Johnson  Apr 9, 2014 6:05:30pm
125 wrenchwench  Apr 9, 2014 6:05:55pm

The pilot is downstairs having unknown injuries checked out.

126 GeneJockey  Apr 9, 2014 6:09:11pm

Password changed, though I’m not sure I’m that worried about someone coming here and pretending to be me.

Everything else i do seems to be okay, according to the list.

127 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 9, 2014 6:09:21pm

typing with one hand since the cat sleeping on my left arm has wedged his paws into the cushion on one side and under me on the other side. it’s like being cuffed down. i suspect the other cat is off raiding the treat supply while i am immobilized.

128 Political Atheist  Apr 9, 2014 6:09:44pm

Sheesh. Every weird internet vulnerability seems to be an alleged masterwork of intel agencies that we all know are really as hapless in the face of sudden change as the rest of us.

129 Stanley Sea  Apr 9, 2014 6:10:26pm

I just did my first twitter customer service bitch!!! @budget rent a car, checked bank to see multiple charges after paying in full. ARG.

If no response I’ll have to call tomorrow.

130 GeneJockey  Apr 9, 2014 6:10:53pm

re: #128 Political Atheist

Sheesh. Every weird internet vulnerability seems to be an alleged masterwork of intel agencies that we all know are really as hapless in the face of sudden change as the rest of us.

I always find it easier to believe in random fuckups instead of massive conspiracies.

131 Killgore Trout  Apr 9, 2014 6:13:44pm

Ayaan Hirsi Ali retorts
Ayaan Hirsi Ali: ‘They Simply Wanted Me to be Silenced’

I can only wish the Class of 2014 the best of luck — and hope that they will go forth to be better advocates for free expression and free thought than their alma mater.

I take this opportunity to thank all those who have supported me and my work on behalf of oppressed woman and girls everywhere.

132 wrenchwench  Apr 9, 2014 6:13:59pm

re: #127 Feline Fearless Leader

typing with one hand since the cat sleeping on my left arm has wedged his paws into the cushion on one side and under me on the other side. it’s like being cuffed down. i suspect the other cat is off raiding the treat supply while i am immobilized.

Later, lizards.

133 wrenchwench  Apr 9, 2014 6:14:51pm

re: #131 Killgore Trout

Ayaan Hirsi Ali retorts
Ayaan Hirsi Ali: ‘They Simply Wanted Me to be Silenced’

She’s full of shit. She was asked to come speak another time, and she said she won’t.

134 wrenchwench  Apr 9, 2014 6:15:07pm

135 Charles Johnson  Apr 9, 2014 6:16:47pm

re: #126 GeneJockey

Password changed, though I’m not sure I’m that worried about someone coming here and pretending to be me.

Everything else i do seems to be okay, according to the list.

LGF is not a high value target - we don’t store credit card numbers or anything like that. And we only started using SSL a few months ago, so we haven’t been exposed for 2 years like many sites have.

But I have a zero tolerance policy for bugs that can bring down the whole Internet. Maybe that’s just me.

136 Stanley Sea  Apr 9, 2014 6:17:06pm

re: #134 wrenchwench

[Embedded image]

PERFECT. And to find out it’s your own!

137 Killgore Trout  Apr 9, 2014 6:17:31pm

re: #133 wrenchwench

She’s full of shit. She was asked to come speak another time, and she said she won’t.

her response….

Not content with a public disavowal, Brandeis has invited me “to join us on campus in the future to engage in a dialogue about these important issues.” Sadly, in words and deeds, the university has already spoken its piece. I have no wish to “engage” in such one-sided dialogue.

138 Charles Johnson  Apr 9, 2014 6:19:03pm

139 Targetpractice  Apr 9, 2014 6:20:11pm

re: #135 Charles Johnson

LGF is not a high value target - we don’t store credit card numbers or anything like that. And we only started using SSL a few months ago, so we haven’t been exposed for 2 years like many sites have.

But I have a zero tolerance policy for bugs that can bring down the whole Internet. Maybe that’s just me.

Seems like one of them floats by, or is alleged to have floated by, every year. Times like these I pine for the days when all we had to worry about was people wigging out over “Y2K!!!”

140 Charles Johnson  Apr 9, 2014 6:21:05pm

re: #139 Targetpractice

Seems like one of them floats by, or is alleged to have floated by, every year. Times like these I pine for the days when all we had to worry about was people wigging out over “Y2K!!!”

This is the worst Internet security issue I’ve ever seen, bar none.

141 Stanley Sea  Apr 9, 2014 6:22:03pm

re: #138 Charles Johnson

[Embedded image]

Dude.

142 Charles Johnson  Apr 9, 2014 6:22:24pm

It’s possible that no hackers ever discovered the bug and exploited it in two years, but anyone who counts on that assumption to be true is an idiot.

143 abolitionist  Apr 9, 2014 6:23:46pm

Thanks, Charles. I just noticed that when I try posting an https -style link, it’s no longer changed to http automatically, but remains as I intended.

(Please note that many sites will not support secure connections, and for those, https in the link will likely result in an error.)

144 Targetpractice  Apr 9, 2014 6:24:24pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

It’s possible that no hackers ever discovered the bug and exploited it in two years, but anyone who counts on that assumption to be true is an idiot.

Agreed, only a fool would roll this dice on this one. Worse yet, considering human nature, I’ve no doubt there will be many sites whose owners are no where as diligent as you’ve been.

145 Dark_Falcon  Apr 9, 2014 6:29:17pm

re: #137 Killgore Trout

146 freetoken  Apr 9, 2014 6:34:44pm

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

Why is the woman with the blue sleeves trying to tickle the troll under the chin?

147 Stanley Sea  Apr 9, 2014 6:37:11pm

re: #146 freetoken

Why is the woman with the blue sleeves trying to tickle the troll under the chin?

She doesn’t understand yet, the concept of gaze.

148 freetoken  Apr 9, 2014 6:39:36pm

Feels rather tropical here today. It’s only the second week of April. It’s weird.

149 Dark_Falcon  Apr 9, 2014 6:39:40pm

re: #146 freetoken

SMACK!

150 Dark_Falcon  Apr 9, 2014 6:49:36pm

What gave her away? Russian social worker who posed with grenade launcher in floral dress is captured by Ukraine and accused of being a Moscow spy

An 23-year-old ‘Russian spy’ has been detained in Ukraine amid claims Vladimir Putin is seeking to destabilise the country.

Ukrainian authorities say Maria Koleda was on her ninth mission to the ex-Soviet state, wounding three people with firearms and training two armed subversive groups.

The detention comes on the fourth day of a stand-off in two cities, as Ukraine’s government warned it was prepared to use force against pro-Russian activists who barricaded themselves inside government buildings and begged Vladimir Putin for back-up.

Authorities say Koleda, who was detained in the Kherson region bordering Crimea, was involved in a plot to ‘capture sensitive facilities’ including a hydropower plant.

Photos of emerged of her in camouflage clothes stroking a kitten and in a floral dress clutching a rocket-propelled grenade launcher.

I take stories Daily Mail with a grain of salt, but this is certainly plausible. Using agent provocateurs is a classic KGB stratagem. and at any rate I tend not to be charitable towards people who pose with anti-tank weapons when they end up in trouble. The photo with an SVD Designated Marksman’s Rifle (DMR) I might write off, since lots of people own scoped rifles in the US, but an RPG-7 is a whole other animal.

151 Killgore Trout  Apr 9, 2014 6:50:30pm

Erdoᇺn’s aide says Turkey will cut ties with Europe

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoᇺn’s chief economic advisor Yiğit Bulut has claimed that Turkey will no longer need Europe, stating that the “new West” solely comprises the US.

Writing for the pro-government Star daily, Bulut said: “I’ll state it in clear terms: In the new equation, the new West for Turkey means only the US. We no longer need Europe and its material and moral affiliates which may become a burden on us.”
…
According to Erdoᇺn’s aide, the new world will be shaped by the US and the axes of Turkey-Russia-Eurasia-the Middle East and China-India-Iran.

He lamented the fact that Turkey has put up with Europe’s condescending attitude for years, allowing itself to be used and burdened. “Today we no longer need this,” he said. Bulut also described the US as the sole representative of all Western values.

152 The War TARDIS  Apr 9, 2014 6:51:53pm

re: #133 wrenchwench

Didn’t she commit immigration fraud to get into the Netherlands?

153 dog philosopher  Apr 9, 2014 6:52:35pm

re: #151 Killgore Trout

Erdoᇺn’s aide says Turkey will cut ties with Europe

i read a book by some futurist, i forget the name, who predicted that turkey will become a very important country in the world in the next 75 years

155 The War TARDIS  Apr 9, 2014 6:57:23pm

re: #153 dog philosopher

I can believe that, though I wonder if the Arab states would accept repeating history.

Russia’s population is rising off of minorities, many of whom want to leave Russia.

156 Killgore Trout  Apr 9, 2014 6:59:32pm

re: #153 dog philosopher

i read a book by some futurist, i forget the name, who predicted that turkey will become a very important country in the world in the next 75 years

It’s certainly possible, but I think they may fuck themselves over if the go the Islamist route. They have some nice real estate but not a whole lot of natural resources. If they’re future depends on innovation, free thinking and scientific advancements then their recent moves away from secular government are going to be an obstacle.

157 dog philosopher  Apr 9, 2014 7:08:33pm

re: #156 Killgore Trout

It’s certainly possible, but I think they may fuck themselves over if the go the Islamist route. They have some nice real estate but not a whole lot of natural resources. If they’re future depends on innovation, free thinking and scientific advancements then their recent moves away from secular government are going to be an obstacle.

your assumption here is that islamisization is incompatible with innovation, free thinking and scientific advancements, is it not?

158 Dark_Falcon  Apr 9, 2014 7:13:14pm

re: #157 dog philosopher

your assumption here is that islamisization is incompatible with innovation, free thinking and scientific advancements, is it not?

Point of clarification: Killgore is talking about the government being more overtly religious, not more people in society being Muslim. Turkey has long been a Muslim nation with with a firmly secular government. Erdogan seeks to make the government “Islamic”, meaning to establish Islam as Turkey’s effective state religion.

159 dog philosopher  Apr 9, 2014 7:13:58pm

re: #158 Dark_Falcon

Point of clarification: Killgore is talking about the government being more overtly religious, not more people in society being Muslim. Turkey has long been a Muslim nation with with a firmly secular government. Erdogan seeks to make the government “Islamic”, meaning to establish Islam as Turkey’s effective state religion.

yes, but still…

161 Killgore Trout  Apr 9, 2014 7:18:07pm

re: #157 dog philosopher

your assumption here is that islamisization is incompatible with innovation, free thinking and scientific advancements, is it not?

Theocracies are historically very resistant to innovation and scientific development. Human rights and free thought also suffer. It’s going to be very difficult for theocratic countries to develop in the future.

162 Dark_Falcon  Apr 9, 2014 7:19:26pm

re: #159 dog philosopher

yes, but still…

Still what? It’s pretty well the established consensus here that religious government is not a good thing. In the post in question, Killgore was following that consensus, not trolling:

It’s certainly possible, but I think they may fuck themselves over if the go the Islamist route. They have some nice real estate but not a whole lot of natural resources. If they’re future depends on innovation, free thinking and scientific advancements then their recent moves away from secular government are going to be an obstacle.

“Islamist” refers to what is also called “Radical Islam” or “Political Islam”, not to Islam as a whole.

As post #145 shows, I’ll call Killgore out if he is trolling, but his #156 was clearly not an attempt to troll.

163 Romantic Heretic  Apr 9, 2014 7:19:45pm

Thanks for the thoughts, everyone.

164 Randall Gross  Apr 9, 2014 7:24:35pm

A note from SANS:

There are a fair few sites popping up testing for this issue. I know this is possibly overly motherly, sorry, but be careful. You may not know who is running the site, what they are actually testing for and what is done with the information collected. Consider sticking to the main sites and known security organisations.

Metasploit now has a module out (github.com). NMAP likewise has a check. QUALYS has their SSLLABS page. Other security vendors are also providing checks in their scanning products.

Not saying the free scanners are “evil”, just saying be careful what you use.

Cheers

Mark H

isc.sans.edu

165 Randall Gross  Apr 9, 2014 7:27:25pm

Some Apple users affected:

Apple users: OS X Mavericks (10.9) ships by default with OpenSSL 0.9.8. However, if you are using mac ports, OpenSSL 1.0.1 is installed. An update is available (run “sudo upgrade outdated”).

isc.sans.edu

166 The War TARDIS  Apr 9, 2014 7:35:00pm

I think this is one area McCain is good in.

McCain blasts Navy’s LCS ship plan; urges cut to 24 vessels

Senator John McCain on Wednesday blasted the U.S. Navy’s new Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) program as a “shameful” and dangerous waste of taxpayer money, and he urged the Pentagon to cut its planned purchases back by another eight ships to 24 ships.

McCain, a senior Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, said the Navy’s poor planning had led to a new class of ships that could not survive in combat, cost far more than expected, provided less capability than earlier warships and had not demonstrated their utility after 13 years of development.

A longtime critic of the program, McCain used a speech on the Senate floor to back Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel’s decision to limit LCS procurement to 32 ships instead of the 52 ships initially planned and called for a further cut to 24 ships.

167 The War TARDIS  Apr 9, 2014 7:37:45pm

2 of my best friends are in Pakistan until May 15th.

So, news like this scares me:

Deadly Blast at Fruit Market Shatters Calm in Pakistan’s Capital

168 Dark_Falcon  Apr 9, 2014 7:39:57pm

re: #166 The War TARDIS

I think this is one area McCain is good in.

McCain blasts Navy’s LCS ship plan; urges cut to 24 vessels

Maybe. He really does love the USN and if he wants a Navy program cut, his reasons are sure to have a reasonable foundation. That doesn’t mean he’s sure to be right, but it means that on such a matter Sen. McCain should be taken seriously.

169 Amory Blaine  Apr 9, 2014 7:41:07pm

Whew. Changed my password. Hard work. Time for a cocktail.

(I’d like to give a shout out for Roboform. You have to pay for it but it makes filling almost any form online automatic.)

170 Charles Johnson  Apr 9, 2014 7:41:21pm

Apparently, someone has “cranky on the Internet” syndrome again.

171 Dark_Falcon  Apr 9, 2014 7:42:42pm

re: #167 The War TARDIS

2 of my best friends are in Pakistan until May 15th.

So, news like this scares me:

Deadly Blast at Fruit Market Shatters Calm in Pakistan’s Capital

You should worry, since the Islamic radicals in Pakistan are pushing at pretty much everyone, even Iran.

Also, you should buy the current issue of Strategy & Tactics if you can, for it has a good look at the Pakistani government’s confrontation with the Taliban.

172 Targetpractice  Apr 9, 2014 7:43:13pm

re: #166 The War TARDIS

I think this is one area McCain is good in.

McCain blasts Navy’s LCS ship plan; urges cut to 24 vessels

Never quite understood the idea of the LCS to begin with. It was sold as “cheaper” than a multipurpose frigate because you could build the basic hull and then swap out modules depending upon the mission. But the “cheap” aspect of the design disappeared somewhere in the design process and it’s become yet another example of how the military can’t keep up with the changing face of warfare.

173 Charles Johnson  Apr 9, 2014 7:44:13pm

After the last couple of days, I’m really not in the mood.

174 Dark_Falcon  Apr 9, 2014 7:45:26pm

re: #172 Targetpractice

Never quite understood the idea of the LCS to begin with. It was sold as “cheaper” than a multipurpose frigate because you could build the basic hull and then swap out modules depending upon the mission. But the “cheap” aspect of the design disappeared somewhere in the design process and it’s become yet another example of how the military can’t keep up with the changing face of warfare.

It is liable to end up being fairly cheap per unit now that the bugs are largely worked out, but the question is “Is it survivable enough?”, and the answer may well be “No”.

175 The War TARDIS  Apr 9, 2014 7:46:48pm

re: #171 Dark_Falcon

Having so many Pakistani friends (all of my close friends are women, and 7 of them are Pakistani), has made me more positive towards Pakistan, and I do see tiny little spots of hope that it could get better.

176 Targetpractice  Apr 9, 2014 7:47:14pm

re: #174 Dark_Falcon

It is liable to end up being fairly cheap per unit now that the bugs are largely worked out, but the question is “Is it survivable enough?”, and the answer may well be “No”.

I think the Navy’s already admitted that it’s not meant to survive a real slugging match. That’s been part of the reason for cost overruns, the Navy decided half-way through the process of building the prototypes that “Hey, we might want to build them a little tougher,” only to find out that “tougher” costs more than they were budgeted.

177 dog philosopher  Apr 9, 2014 7:50:08pm

re: #170 Charles Johnson

Apparently, someone has “cranky on the Internet” syndrome again.

“someone on the internet is wrong!”

178 Dark_Falcon  Apr 9, 2014 7:51:03pm

re: #176 Targetpractice

I think the Navy’s already admitted that it’s not meant to survive a real slugging match. That’s been part of the reason for cost overruns, the Navy decided half-way through the process of building the prototypes that “Hey, we might want to build them a little tougher,” only to find out that “tougher” costs more than they were budgeted.

Actually, the Navy realized post-prototype how expensive the ships are likely to be when needing the full offensive/defensive anti-ship and aircraft package. The basic LCS is good for anti-pirate work and light patrolling, but it would be dogmeat against a foe able to put in a larger attack. Having high-tech SAMs and ASMs and the sensors to control them is a major price increase.

179 kirkspencer  Apr 9, 2014 7:51:15pm

re: #168 Dark_Falcon

Maybe. He really does love the USN and if he wants a Navy program cut, his reasons are sure to have a reasonable foundation. That doesn’t mean he’s sure to be right, but it means that on such a matter Sen. McCain should be taken seriously.

Well, he loves navy air and blue water navy. He is mixed about submarines. And he does not like brown water navy.

His complaint of the LCS should be taken with that in mind.

180 Randall Gross  Apr 9, 2014 7:51:58pm

Hrmmm Cisco rates it a 5 for CVSS score of Medium, Juniper rates it 9.4 - for a score of Critical - I’m guessing that Juniper uses a lot more openssl on their C&C ports than Cisco.

181 kirkspencer  Apr 9, 2014 7:57:19pm

re LCS survivability, the problem I have with the complaints is that comparable ships are no better, and in fact in littoral situations are more likely to be worse.

In addition, the Navy identified a hole in strategic operations. They laid out numbers for options that included modding existing ships or building an entire new class. They went with a new class because:
a) it would be better at the identified mission;
b) TCO/life, even taking contract inflation, still made the new ships cheaper. (A big factor here is anticipated lifespan of new ships vs remaining lifespan of existing ships.)
c) They provided an opportunity for large-scale test of modern technologies the navy was considering for service-wide implementation.

(corrected acronym: TCO instead of TOCO)

But I really need to repeat that every option that bases on using an existing or modified existing platform is (with few exceptions) no better at survival while being (varying degrees of) worse at the identified mission.

182 freetoken  Apr 9, 2014 7:58:37pm

The past month or so I’ve noticed by Cox internet throughput really goes down in the early evenings. Even from mega-servers like iTunes downloads take forever.

I don’t know why this is happening. Cox annually raises the price, and while off-peak throughput is really good, in the early evenings it seems to be getting worse.

183 Dark_Falcon  Apr 9, 2014 7:59:18pm

re: #179 kirkspencer

Well, he loves navy air and blue water navy. He is mixed about submarines. And he does not like brown water navy.

His complaint of the LCS should be taken with that in mind.

The LCS is a “green water” system, not a “brown water” craft. but I’m curious as to the evidence that Sen. McCain opposes brown water USN missions. Those have been a traditional part of the USN’s mission, albeit a secondary one. As with the Royal Navy, the United States Navy has always been expected to fight wherever the enemy is to be found on water.

184 freetoken  Apr 9, 2014 7:59:50pm

re: #181 kirkspencer

In my mind the bigger question is: If we’re going to spend tens of billions of dollars improving our littoral warfare capability, are we going to use it, and where?

185 Amory Blaine  Apr 9, 2014 8:02:55pm

186 Randall Gross  Apr 9, 2014 8:04:17pm

re: #183 Dark_Falcon

The answer to that is that he’s a pilot.

187 Dark_Falcon  Apr 9, 2014 8:04:30pm

re: #185 Amory Blaine

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I see a lawsuit from Disney in your future!

188 The War TARDIS  Apr 9, 2014 8:05:20pm

re: #184 freetoken

Exactly, where are we going to be using these boats?

Only place I could think of using them is if Nicaragua decides to go fuck the goat, and decide to try and take Guanacaste Province from Costa Rica.

The president of Nicaragua Daniel Ortega wants to reclaim Guanacaste and is quoted as saying he will not rule out seeking a ruling from the International Court of Justice in an effort to reclaim Guanacaste for Nicaragua.

Being as Costa Rica has no military, we made a deal that we would put our military in to protect them. But it won’t be good against damn near anything else.

189 Dark_Falcon  Apr 9, 2014 8:05:31pm

re: #186 Randall Gross

The answer to that is that he’s a pilot.

Love of naval aviation doesn’t equal hostility to patrolling a river if needed.

190 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 9, 2014 8:06:32pm

Evening lizards!

I’m watching a 1981 Queen concert from Montreal is on Palladia right now. Awesome stuff!

191 ObserverArt  Apr 9, 2014 8:07:35pm

Sorry, have to gloat a bit. Columbus Blue Jackets NHL hockey team just clinched a playoff spot and at the moment are in 7th in the east.

Two more season games might even get us up to 6th. Good scrappy team, and if they get all the players healthy, they will give whoever (Boston?) a good set of games in the first round.

192 Randall Gross  Apr 9, 2014 8:09:57pm

re: #189 Dark_Falcon

It’s all about the funding - funding for littoral cuts down funding from the traditional force projection AC based fleets of the past 7 decades, this has been a long running feud for a few years, and the attitudes are pretty much cast in concrete between the factions.

193 Killgore Trout  Apr 9, 2014 8:10:11pm

re: #190 NJDhockeyfan

Evening lizards!

I’m watching a 1981 Queen concert from Montreal is on Palladia right now. Awesome stuff!

Freddie had some serious pipes.

194 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 9, 2014 8:15:04pm

re: #193 Killgore Trout

Freddie had some serious pipes.

TMI!!!
//

195 Killgore Trout  Apr 9, 2014 8:16:25pm

Update: (Final) Follow-Up: Yup. It Was a Rock.

For those of you taking notes at home, over the past few days I wrote a couple of pieces about a viral video that purported to show a meteoroid (the solid part of space debris that gets hot and creates a meteor when it rams through our atmosphere) zipping past a skydiver. At first I was open to the idea, if skeptical, but upon further reading and examination I became more convinced it was just a rock that fell out of the skydiver’s parachute.

Unfortunately, that turns out to be the case. It really was just a rock.

196 Targetpractice  Apr 9, 2014 8:17:02pm

re: #184 freetoken

In my mind the bigger question is: If we’re going to spend tens of billions of dollars improving our littoral warfare capability, are we going to use it, and where?

Apparently the need for littoral warfare ships is so dire, that the Navy is forced to argue to Congress that these ships could be an asset to carrier battle groups. Meanwhile the prototypes have proven they can dock in ports and do high-speed turns. But if they meet anything more threatening than a speedboat, they’re in deep shit.

197 kirkspencer  Apr 9, 2014 8:17:42pm

re: #183 Dark_Falcon

The LCS is a “green water” system, not a “brown water” craft. but I’m curious as to the evidence that Sen. McCain opposes brown water USN missions. Those have been a traditional part of the USN’s mission, albeit a secondary one. As with the Royal Navy, the United States Navy has always been expected to fight wherever the enemy is to be found on water.

Senator McCain spoke frequently against the Navy initiation of the LCS. (And you’re right, ‘green’ not brown - though there’s a tendency in the navy to merge the two.) See for example his frequent statements during the 2008 election process. His votes in almost every year on navy ships have been to increase blue while reducing brown and green. Pick three years where votes were made and you’ll see the pattern.

In Senator McCain’s opinion, Brown Water navy should be Army or Marine missions. (Again see in particular his comments about the LCS in 2008.)

198 Dark_Falcon  Apr 9, 2014 8:18:26pm

re: #191 ObserverArt

Sorry, have to gloat a bit. Columbus Blue Jackets NHL hockey team just clinched a playoff spot and at the moment are in 7th in the east.

Two more season games might even get us up to 6th. Good scrappy team, and if they get all the players healthy, they will give whoever (Boston?) a good set of games in the first round.

You’re wrong, I’m afraid. The Blue Jackets are number 8, the Red Wings are number 7. And their shootout loss to the Penguins gives the Red wings their 91st point, as compared with 89 for the Blue Jackets. (See below for correction.)

With three games left, Columbus only needs one more win to clinch a spot, but they’ve not clinched it as of tonight. They’ll get their chance on Friday, but they’ll have to beat the Tampa Bay Lightning to do it.

And expect Tampa Bay to play to win. Tonight’s losses by the Red Wings and the Montreal Canadians (the latter to the Chicago Blackhawks!) mean that Tampa Bay will face Montreal in the first round of the playoffs. But who has home ice is yet to be decided, giving key importance to the Blue Jackets / Lightning game for both teams.

199 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 9, 2014 8:19:12pm

re: #185 Amory Blaine

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Baited with a copyright extension?

200 Killgore Trout  Apr 9, 2014 8:19:38pm

BTW “Rolling Stone Puts Its John Hancock on Julia Louis-Dreyfus Tattoo Cover” was probably a viral marketing to get people talking about the magazine.

201 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 9, 2014 8:28:26pm

Does anyone watch The Americans on FX?

202 Dark_Falcon  Apr 9, 2014 8:32:02pm

Deleted. I was wrong.

203 ObserverArt  Apr 9, 2014 8:32:25pm

re: #198 Dark_Falcon

You’re wrong, I’m afraid. The Blue Jackets are number 8, the Red Wings are number 7. And their shootout loss to the Penguins gives the Red wings their 91st point, as compared with 89 for the Blue Jackets.

With three games left, Columbus only needs one more win to clinch a spot, but they’ve not clinched it as of tonight. They’ll get their chance on Friday, but they’ll have to beat the Tampa Bay Lightning to do it.

And expect Tampa Bay to play to win. Tonight’s losses by the Red Wings and the Montreal Canadians (the latter to the Chicago Blackhawks!) mean that Tampa Bay will face Montreal in the first round of the playoffs. But who has home ice is yet to be decided, giving key importance to the Blue Jackets / Lightning game for both teams.

Check the standings Dark. And, we have more games won and head-to-head over Detroit. So, we are ahead of them in 7th as of tonight, both with 91 points.

CLINCHED.

204 Dark_Falcon  Apr 9, 2014 8:36:37pm

re: #203 ObserverArt

Check the standings Dark. And, we have more games won and head-to-head over Detroit. So, we are ahead of them in 7th as of tonight, both with 91 points.

CLINCHED.

You are correct and my stats had not been updated to reflect tonight’s results. The NHL East playoff teams have now all been determined.

The only remaining playoff spot yet to be decided is in the West, and that one will be taken either by the Dallas Stars (89 points, or the Phoenix Coyotes (87 points).

205 palomino  Apr 9, 2014 8:39:40pm

re: #62 NJDhockeyfan

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Unfortunately, in the minds of millions of white southerners, the Civil War never ended. Idiots still screaming, “The South will rise again.”

206 prairiefire  Apr 9, 2014 8:40:05pm

re: #184 freetoken

No!

207 Dark_Falcon  Apr 9, 2014 8:41:31pm

Now if only the Ducks can get it done tonight. They beat San Jose and the Blackhawks are tied with the Sharks at 107. And if the Blackhawks can both their last two, and San Jose loses one more, then the Hawks get the #4 seed.

208 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 9, 2014 8:42:05pm

re: #205 palomino

Unfortunately, in the minds of millions of white southerners, the Civil War never ended. Idiots still screaming, “The South will rise again.”

That’s going to take a lot of yeast to make come true.
//

209 prairiefire  Apr 9, 2014 8:42:10pm

re: #205 palomino

I’ve always thought that studying the people who feel like they are victims helps to understand who will pull that card in the future.

210 Amory Blaine  Apr 9, 2014 8:43:19pm

re: #190 NJDhockeyfan

Nice, midweek classics here, Spinal Tap right now. Smell The Glove!

211 Amory Blaine  Apr 9, 2014 8:48:30pm

I ran Star Wars IV and V earlier today.

212 bratwurst  Apr 9, 2014 8:50:27pm

re: #201 NJDhockeyfan

Does anyone watch The Americans on FX?

Yes, IMO the best thing on TV.

213 palomino  Apr 9, 2014 8:53:05pm

So McCain used a quote from Teddy Roosevelt to tell John Kerry that his dick is small because…something about the US not intervening enough militarily. (Because we can fight an unlimited number of wars at once?) Kerry skillfully turned it around on McCain, using another TR quote to tell McCain that he was getting nothing done and is irrelevant, and then subtly jabbed at McCain’s age by calling TR “McCain’s close personal friend.” BTW, McCain’s not gonna win any friends in the TP/far right by calling TR, one of the original progressives, his personal hero.

Anyway, does anyone know what McCain actually wants? Or is he just going through the motions of being the GOP’s designated hatchet man on foreign affairs?

214 Amory Blaine  Apr 9, 2014 8:53:14pm

It’s on Amazon too.

215 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 9, 2014 8:55:38pm

re: #212 bratwurst

Yes, IMO the best thing on TV.

Ditto. My wife and I are addicted to it. I recorded all of the episodes so far and we’ve been catching up this week. Tonight we watched episode 5 and one of the Russians was driving a really cool car at the end. The FBI was following him. Any idea what kind of car that was?

216 Amory Blaine  Apr 9, 2014 8:55:43pm

217 bratwurst  Apr 9, 2014 9:02:11pm

re: #215 NJDhockeyfan

Ditto. My wife and I are addicted to it. I recorded all of the episodes so far and we’ve been catching up this week. Tonight we watched episode 5 and one of the Russians was driving a really cool car at the end. The FBI was following him. Any idea what kind of car that was?

I would assume it was some period make of Lada, but I wouldn’t swear to it.

Despite a somewhat limited budget, the job they do of really making the viewer believe the action is taking place in 1982 is remarkable.

218 Timothy Watson  Apr 9, 2014 9:06:07pm

re: #176 Targetpractice

I think the Navy’s already admitted that it’s not meant to survive a real slugging match. That’s been part of the reason for cost overruns, the Navy decided half-way through the process of building the prototypes that “Hey, we might want to build them a little tougher,” only to find out that “tougher” costs more than they were budgeted.

Last I checked, those “modules” they were supposed to be able to swap in and out still don’t work the way they’re supposed to and the Navy pretty much gave up on the idea. In addition, that underwater drone they were counting on for mine-sweeping won’t be functional for another 5 years.

219 freetoken  Apr 9, 2014 9:07:23pm

Because the best thing for a disgraced socon politician is a duck call:

“Duck Dynasty” Star Counsels Kissing Congressman McAllister

[…]

Many political pundits credited the self-made millionaire’s political success to his ties with the stars of Duck Dynasty, many of whom endorsed him and campaigned for him.

[…]

220 Amory Blaine  Apr 9, 2014 9:11:02pm

re: #219 freetoken

He has quite the pledge pin collection going on. Not quite to Noriega standards, but it’s inspirational.

221 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 9, 2014 9:11:25pm

re: #217 bratwurst

I would assume it was some period make of Lada, but I wouldn’t swear to it.

Despite a somewhat limited budget, the job they do of really making the viewer believe the action is taking place in 1982 is remarkable.

We remember what it was like back then. Must be our ages. We are struggling with who to root for too, the KGB couple or the FBI agent. Great show so far.

222 Timothy Watson  Apr 9, 2014 9:12:23pm

re: #219 freetoken

Because the best thing for a disgraced socon politician is a duck call:

“Duck Dynasty” Star Counsels Kissing Congressman McAllister

Have I mentioned lately that this country is doomed?

223 Targetpractice  Apr 9, 2014 9:13:43pm

re: #218 Timothy Watson

Last I checked, those “modules” they were supposed to be able to swap in and out still don’t work the way they’re supposed and the Navy pretty much gave up on the idea. In addition, that underwater drone they were counting on for mine-sweeping won’t be functional for another 5 years.

Yeah, that’s my understanding as well. The Navy envisioned “modules” as being easy enough to swap out in hours and able to be done in commercial ports, with the “modules” portable enough to move at a moment’s notice. The idea was that you could tailor a group of LCSes to meet the changing needs of a situation. Instead, the Navy’s finding out that swaps can take weeks, so they’re just dropping the whole “swap” business.

224 Targetpractice  Apr 9, 2014 9:14:16pm

re: #222 Timothy Watson

Have I mentioned lately that this country is doomed?

I think the species is doomed. Bring on the meteors!

225 dog philosopher  Apr 9, 2014 9:15:48pm

re: #217 bratwurst

I would assume it was some period make of Lada, but I wouldn’t swear to it.

Despite a somewhat limited budget, the job they do of really making the viewer believe the action is taking place in 1982 is remarkable.

ladas

226 Amory Blaine  Apr 9, 2014 9:16:57pm

They built a Littoral ship here in Marinette Wisconsin.

227 Timothy Watson  Apr 9, 2014 9:18:36pm

Anyone else find it annoying when television shows go on a hiatus so they have episodes for May sweeps? Grr…

228 Amory Blaine  Apr 9, 2014 9:21:48pm

Youtube Video

229 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Apr 9, 2014 9:23:44pm

A snow angel masterpiece:

Youtube Video

This is why I love goaltending, although I no longer play because of a bad back.

230 Charles Johnson  Apr 9, 2014 9:24:17pm

This is me, heaving a big sigh.

231 Amory Blaine  Apr 9, 2014 9:25:29pm

Enjoy the moment.

*hat tip

232 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 9, 2014 9:25:32pm

re: #225 dog philosopher

ladas

Ok, the car in the show wasn’t a Lada. Thanks! The mystery continues.

233 Timothy Watson  Apr 9, 2014 9:26:08pm

re: #230 Charles Johnson

This is me, heaving a big sigh.

Youtube Video

234 dog philosopher  Apr 9, 2014 9:26:40pm

re: #232 NJDhockeyfan

Ok, the car in the show wasn’t a Lada. Thanks! The mystery continues.

deskribing ze car, plise

235 Amory Blaine  Apr 9, 2014 9:27:24pm

Mark it 8 dude.

236 dog philosopher  Apr 9, 2014 9:28:33pm

re: #230 Charles Johnson

This is me, heaving a big sigh.

have a beer on me, boss

237 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Apr 9, 2014 9:29:17pm

Sorry if this has already been posted.

The LastPass tool looks more informative than the filippo.io site:

lastpass.com

https://lastpass.com/heartbleed/?h=littlegreenfootballs.com

Detected server software of Apache
That server is known to use OpenSSL and could have been vulnerable.

The SSL certificate for littlegreenfootballs.com was regenerated 2 days ago at Apr 8 00:01:57 2014 GMT which is likely regenerated after heartbleed bug was published, they’ve updated their SSL certificate which likely means they’ve taken steps to reduce their ongoing risk from heartbleed!

238 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 9, 2014 9:47:01pm

re: #234 dog philosopher

deskribing ze car, plise

How about a pic? This is the best showing the whole car I could see.

239 dog philosopher  Apr 9, 2014 9:51:07pm

re: #238 NJDhockeyfan

How about a pic? This is the best showing the whole car I could see.

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citroen ds

240 dog philosopher  Apr 9, 2014 9:53:08pm

re: #238 NJDhockeyfan

How about a pic? This is the best showing the whole car I could see.

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241 dog philosopher  Apr 9, 2014 9:55:10pm

even more fun

242 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 9, 2014 9:55:10pm

re: #240 dog philosopher

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Those cars are almost 50 years old and still look like they came from the future.

243 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 9, 2014 9:55:56pm

re: #239 dog philosopher

citroen ds

That’s it! Great find, that was quick.

244 dog philosopher  Apr 9, 2014 9:56:32pm

re: #242 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Those cars are almost 50 years old and still look like they came from the future.

yes!

also, 1964 avantis:

245 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 9, 2014 9:58:08pm

re: #244 dog philosopher

Roger that.

246 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 9, 2014 10:01:07pm

re: #241 dog philosopher

even more fun

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This is the one from the show. Same color and model.

Image: P1050299.JPG

247 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 9, 2014 10:12:28pm

re: #246 NJDhockeyfan

This is the one from the show. Same color and model.

Image: P1050299.JPG

Definitely not a Lada. I’ve seen Citroën DS models in other shows — even SF shows. They don’t resemble any other car on the road today, and they are old enough that most viewers wouldn’t recognize them.

248 Amory Blaine  Apr 9, 2014 10:16:19pm

Youtube Video

249 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 9, 2014 10:18:55pm

re: #247 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Definitely not a Lada. I’ve seen Citroën DS models in other shows — even SF shows. They don’t resemble any other car on the road today, and they are old enough that most viewers wouldn’t recognize them.

My wife and I were both scratching our heads. She looked like she wanted me to find one but I don’t see that happening anytime soon. The one in the pic I posted already sold. Perhaps to FX for the show?

251 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 9, 2014 10:25:48pm

re: #249 NJDhockeyfan

My wife and I were both scratching our heads. She looked like she wanted me to find one but I don’t see that happening anytime soon. The one in the pic I posted already sold. Perhaps to FX for the show?

jay Leno’s Garage had a segment on those cars, and he posted a couple of links to owners’ clubs. You can try there.

They were mechanically ahead of their time, which meant most American mechanics had no effin’ clue how to repair them. The suspension, brakes, and clutch were all part of a hydro-pneumatic system. The rubber seals in the suspension struts after a few years would start to leak, requiring major service. I think also the engine was fuel injected, which in the 1960s was not very common. Most mechanics had only dealt with carbs.

Modern Citroëns use more conventional suspension and brake systems. There’s quite a few late model Citroëns here in China.

252 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 9, 2014 10:33:02pm

Youtube Video

253 freetoken  Apr 9, 2014 10:34:40pm

re: #222 Timothy Watson

Have I mentioned lately that this country is doomed?

One word: Guntucky.

254 dog philosopher  Apr 9, 2014 10:37:03pm

re: #250 freetoken

Daily Fail tries to stir up outrage:

‘Totally inappropriate’: Tourist’s shock at Buddhist temple in Thailand which has a mural of planes hitting the Twin Towers

the whole temple is totally cool!

255 GeneJockey  Apr 9, 2014 11:11:25pm

re: #238 NJDhockeyfan

How about a pic? This is the best showing the whole car I could see.

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Citroen DS21 Pallas. Post 1971 (note the door handles)

256 freetoken  Apr 9, 2014 11:17:11pm

Party of God, indeed:

‘In God We Trust’ display urged: Rep. Sparks sponsors measure to require state Capitol to include exhibit of motto

The “In God We Trust” national motto [ed. - un, no, it’s not our “national motto” in the nationalist sense, the 1956 law not withstanding] will be displayed at the Tennessee Capitol if lawmakers today agree with state Rep. Mike Sparks’ bill.

[…]

Although Sparks was not yet on the commission when it voted to hang the Ten Commandments, he did support the documents while running for the 11th District seat in Smyrna. Sparks mailed letters to residents pointing out that incumbent Jimmy Woods voted against putting the Commandments in the Courthouse.

Sparks said his In God We Trust bill has “no religious angle.”

“Just a historical angle,” said Sparks, noting that the national motto ought to join the Tennessee motto of “Agriculture and Commerce” in being on display at the Tennessee Capitol. “We should pass that (today). Hopefully, there won’t be any folks who have a problem with it. This just honors our national motto. I’m a big history buff. There’s so much history that has walked through the halls here. It’s hollowed ground up here. It’s a 150-year old state Capitol with walls with Tennessee granite.”

[…]

Let me get this straight - “… says his In God We Trust bill has ‘no religious angle.’”

It’s at moments like these that I fully appreciate a dead parrot sketch.

257 GeneJockey  Apr 9, 2014 11:20:06pm

re: #255 GeneJockey

Citroen DS21 Pallas. Post 1971 (note the door handles)

Introduced in about 1955, built till ~1975. Hydropneumatic suspension. Suspension, brakes, and power steering, as well as the clutch of the semiautomatic ‘Citromatic’, all running on the same high pressure hydraulic system. If there’s a leak, it’ll pump 5L of expensive hydraulic fluid out really fast.

My Dad has one, his second. He got the first one in 1971. Picked it up in Paris at the factory. He and Mom took a 1 month vacation to France and Spain that year. Did one of those ‘pay for it in America, pick it up at the factory, ship it back’ things that saved on the import duties, since it was a used car by that time.

I drove that one a lot, and the 1972 he replaced it with when the first one rusted out. My brother had two of the cheaper DSpecial versions.

Great cars!! Most comfortable long-drive car I’ve ever been in. Terribly unreliable, and if you didn’t have a Citroen mechanic nearby, you were screwed.

Dad’s 72 is sitting in the garage, collecting dust and sparrow crap.

258 GeneJockey  Apr 9, 2014 11:21:41pm

re: #241 dog philosopher

even more fun

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Tatras?

259 Mentis Fugit  Apr 9, 2014 11:21:47pm

re: #255 GeneJockey

Citroen DS21 Pallas. Post 1971 (note the door handles)

Bill Bailey’s favourite motor.

And note that “DS” in French sounds like “Goddess”.

Spoiler

LHOOQ

260 GeneJockey  Apr 9, 2014 11:25:02pm

re: #251 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

jay Leno’s Garage had a segment on those cars, and he posted a couple of links to owners’ clubs. You can try there.

They were mechanically ahead of their time, which meant most American mechanics had no effin’ clue how to repair them. The suspension, brakes, and clutch were all part of a hydro-pneumatic system. The rubber seals in the suspension struts after a few years would start to leak, requiring major service. I think also the engine was fuel injected, which in the 1960s was not very common. Most mechanics had only dealt with carbs.

Modern Citroëns use more conventional suspension and brake systems. There’s quite a few late model Citroëns here in China.

No FI, at least in most DS’s. Just a carburetor. But it had front wheel drive long before it was all the rage, and inboard front disk brakes that would put that sucker on its nose if you hit the mushroom-looking thing that it used as a brake pedal too hard.

261 goddamnedfrank  Apr 9, 2014 11:37:17pm

re: #235 Amory Blaine

Mark it 8 dude.

You’re entering a world of pain.

262 dog philosopher  Apr 9, 2014 11:37:38pm

re: #258 GeneJockey

Tatras?

xacktly!

263 dog philosopher  Apr 9, 2014 11:39:05pm

re: #256 freetoken

It’s hollowed ground up here

mebbe he means hollered ground

264 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 9, 2014 11:53:04pm

re: #260 GeneJockey

No FI, at least in most DS’s. Just a carburetor. But it had front wheel drive long before it was all the rage, and inboard front disk brakes that would put that sucker on its nose if you hit the mushroom-looking thing that it used as a brake pedal too hard.

Thanks for the correction. I never got a good look at the engine of those critters, but I remember a friend telling me about those brakes. You didn’t mash the brake “pedal” to the floor, as with American cars then. You gently pressed the brake down for a controlled stop.

Citroën cars had FWD beginning in the 1930s, I think. Not sure if the CV had FWD, but I remember its floor pan was pretty flat.

I admire your Dad for hanging onto his DS. It’ll take some work and money to get it back on the road, though.

265 freetoken  Apr 10, 2014 12:08:06am

School administrators can be amazingly daft:

Science teacher’s suspension spurs petition drive

Of course they look like weapons - almost everything in physics has something to do with weapons.

266 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 10, 2014 12:25:55am

re: #265 freetoken

School administrators can be amazingly daft:

Science teacher’s suspension spurs petition drive

Of course they look like weapons - almost everything in physics has something to do with weapons.

Idiocy.

Many science fair and Science Olympiad projects could be classified as weapons, except they aren’t. The boy in the photo (named Asa — great name!) probably built something like a rail gun — the article is not too clear — but on a small scale. The other project using compressed air to launch “a small object” is probably less dangerous than a Daisy air rifle.

I hope Mr Schiller can get back to his classes soon. His AP students sound like they are freaking out. AP exams are next month.

267 freetoken  Apr 10, 2014 12:36:23am

re: #266 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

School administrators are always afraid of science classes. Both physics and chemistry classes are gateways to terrorism.

268 freetoken  Apr 10, 2014 12:41:11am

Our popular forms of entertainment (what used to be called “TV” and “movies”) are full of fantasy genre productions, and very little science fiction.

Dystopias are popular (TWD, Revolution, etc.), but I think it would be interesting to have a story based in the far future, on a post-dystopia Earth, where the survivors of our genus have adapted to denuded planet.

H.G. Wells went there a century ago. I wonder why Hollywood today isn’t more intrigued with the idea.

269 freetoken  Apr 10, 2014 12:52:16am

MP3 Audio

270 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 10, 2014 12:57:53am

re: #267 freetoken

School administrators are always afraid of science classes. Both physics and chemistry classes are gateways to terrorism.

In poking around the Internet regarding this issue, I turned up a lot of scuttlebutt about the administration of the school — high turnover and poor practice. Schiller is a veteran teacher and headed a selection committee to find a principal a couple of years ago. I wonder if he’s made a few enemies in the process.

Schiller told the local ABC affiliate that he has been in “teacher time out” for six weeks for unexplained reasons — rather Kafka-esque, if you ask me. The science projects are the proximate cause, I reckon, but the administration is doing the usual, “Can’t comment on an ongoing investigation” shtick. That’s administratese for “We haven’t found a good reason yet, but we’re working on it!”

271 Dr Lizardo  Apr 10, 2014 2:33:08am

re: #238 NJDhockeyfan

How about a pic? This is the best showing the whole car I could see.

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Citroën. I want one of those.

272 Lidane  Apr 10, 2014 2:40:49am

BRB, I’ve got something in my eye:

273 Justanotherhuman  Apr 10, 2014 3:09:21am

Obviously, young people over there have no sense of history, either, if they want the Soviet Union back.

274 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Apr 10, 2014 3:35:39am

re: #273 Justanotherhuman

Hell, most young people over here have no sense of history.

275 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Apr 10, 2014 3:38:25am

re: #273 Justanotherhuman

Speaking of, from the NYT: Russia didn’t share all details on Boston Bombing suspect, report says

Wonder what the RWNJ’s will say about Putin on that one?

276 Maxwell Not So Smart  Apr 10, 2014 3:58:11am

Morning lizards. Checking if the new pass, photo and handle change are working.

277 Lidane  Apr 10, 2014 4:16:50am

What right wing sexism?

278 Lidane  Apr 10, 2014 4:27:30am

Heh.

279 Justanotherhuman  Apr 10, 2014 4:46:51am

re: #275 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Speaking of, from the NYT: Russia didn’t share all details on Boston Bombing suspect, report says

Wonder what the RWNJ’s will say about Putin on that one?

Not so hard to believe, at least for me it wasn’t at the time; I still believe people without the interests of the US still come to this country seeking admission for reasons other than legitimate ones.

Sounds as though LE should have been looking after the US, not Russia, in relation to Tsarnaev:

“At the time, American law enforcement officials believed that Mr. Tsarnaev posed a far greater threat to Russia.”

Russia always looks after its own interests, not those of the US, very well as they demonstrated in this instance.

280 Justanotherhuman  Apr 10, 2014 5:01:22am

Anyone following the Pistorius trial in S Africa?

‘You possibly think this is entertainment, this is not, so please restrain yourself,’ says Judge Masipa following laughter - @SJFindlay
end of alert

1h
Judge intervenes after prosecution laughs at answer Oscar Pistorius gave, reminds them that this is not entertainment - live video

Pistorius admits carrying loaded gun at a boat ‘get together’ but denies his behavior was negligent - @itvnews
read more on itv.com

Just from reading headlines, it doesn’t appear trial is going well for him, and some of the defense tactics seem absurd.

281 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 10, 2014 5:07:08am

re: #271 Dr Lizardo

Citroën. I want one of those.

Take a ride…

Youtube Video

282 Dr Lizardo  Apr 10, 2014 5:07:49am

re: #280 Justanotherhuman

Anyone following the Pistorius trial in S Africa?

‘You possibly think this is entertainment, this is not, so please restrain yourself,’ says Judge Masipa following laughter - @SJFindlay
end of alert

1h
Judge intervenes after prosecution laughs at answer Oscar Pistorius gave, reminds them that this is not entertainment - live video

Pistorius admits carrying loaded gun at a boat ‘get together’ but denies his behavior was negligent - @itvnews
read more on itv.com

Just from reading headlines, it doesn’t appear trial is going well for him, and some of the defense tactics seem absurd.

I get the same feeling; I think Mr. Pistorius could be looking at a long spell in the slammer.

283 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 10, 2014 5:08:31am

re: #273 Justanotherhuman

Obviously, young people over there have no sense of history, either, if they want the Soviet Union back.

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Silly kids, they are the ones that root for the bad guys at the movies.

284 Romantic Heretic  Apr 10, 2014 5:14:34am

re: #254 dog philosopher

the whole temple is totally cool!

I think the Laughing Buddha would be at home there.

285 Dr Lizardo  Apr 10, 2014 5:20:59am

Back later.

286 Justanotherhuman  Apr 10, 2014 5:21:34am

re: #283 NJDhockeyfan

Silly kids, they are the ones that root for the bad guys at the movies.

Trying to make the anti-hero a collective figure isn’t going to work well.

287 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 10, 2014 5:31:28am

re: #286 Justanotherhuman

Trying to make the anti-hero a collective figure isn’t going to work well.

I’m sure they’ve been told growing up what it was like living under the ‘Iron Curtain’ but who listens to their parents?

288 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 10, 2014 5:42:01am

re: #273 Justanotherhuman

Obviously, young people over there have no sense of history, either, if they want the Soviet Union back.

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A lot of people recall that life was ordered and predictable under the USSR. They have known only chaos and desperation since 1991.

But I think that was Putin’s long game: let chaos reign for a decade or so before moving to become a strong-handed authoritarian figure, welcomed back by the poor, toiling masses.

289 Eventual Carrion  Apr 10, 2014 5:50:33am

re: #229 Rev_Arthur_Belling

A snow angel masterpiece:

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This is why I love goaltending, although I no longer play because of a bad back.

GO PENS!

290 darthstar  Apr 10, 2014 6:07:55am
291 darthstar  Apr 10, 2014 6:09:50am
292 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 10, 2014 6:13:49am
293 darthstar  Apr 10, 2014 6:15:57am

294 darthstar  Apr 10, 2014 6:20:32am

re: #292 NJDhockeyfan

I told you that kid was nothing but trouble.

295 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 10, 2014 6:21:33am
296 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 10, 2014 6:24:23am

re: #294 darthstar

I told you that kid was nothing but trouble.

He looks dangerous. Best to put him in solitary without parole for safety.

///

297 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 10, 2014 6:31:14am

How do they expect to do that, invade the former Soviet states? Split Berlin and rebuild the wall?

298 darthstar  Apr 10, 2014 6:31:16am

re: #296 NJDhockeyfan

He looks dangerous. Best to put him in solitary without parole for safety.

///

I wouldn’t go that far, but being taught a lesson about how throwing rocks at police is wrong is appropriate. I think 10 or 15 years is more than enough.

299 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 10, 2014 6:32:08am

What Right-Wing Anti-Semitism?

300 darthstar  Apr 10, 2014 6:32:54am

re: #297 NJDhockeyfan

How do they expect to do that, invade the former Soviet states? Split Berlin and rebuild the wall?

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I hope they charge Reagan. The GOP would be apoplectic.

301 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 10, 2014 6:34:16am

re: #297 NJDhockeyfan

How do they expect to do that, invade the former Soviet states? Split Berlin and rebuild the wall?

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they are at least recognizing that the collapse of the USSR, without any agreements on how to regulate the split-up, was criminal and illegal

302 darthstar  Apr 10, 2014 6:36:40am
303 Lidane  Apr 10, 2014 6:39:15am

Can I just say that I find the RWNJ outrage over Honey Maid ironic and hilarious considering the history of the graham cracker?

304 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 10, 2014 6:40:17am

re: #299 Pie-onist Overlord

What Right-Wing Anti-Semitism?

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Not surprising, he’s a Paulbot. He retweeted this.

305 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 10, 2014 6:49:26am

Yuck, looks like the movie Tron.

306 darthstar  Apr 10, 2014 6:53:41am

re: #303 Lidane

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Can I just say that I find the RWNJ outrage over Honey Maid ironic and hilarious considering the history of the graham cracker?

Funny. When I eat a graham cracker all I think about is fucking.

Hey, how’d the interview go?

307 GunstarGreen  Apr 10, 2014 6:55:04am

re: #303 Lidane

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Can I just say that I find the RWNJ outrage over Honey Maid ironic and hilarious considering the history of the graham cracker?

Hey, maybe if we’re lucky, this’ll get all the bigotted lardasses to layoff the cookies in protest.

308 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2014 6:58:10am
309 darthstar  Apr 10, 2014 6:58:50am
310 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 10, 2014 6:59:28am

re: #303 Lidane

Can I just say that I find the RWNJ outrage over Honey Maid ironic and hilarious considering the history of the graham cracker?

I missed this whole Honey Maid thing. Did they do something like Cheerios and put a “non-traditional” family on the TV?

311 Lidane  Apr 10, 2014 7:03:11am

re: #306 darthstar

Funny. When I eat a graham cracker all I think about is fucking.

Haha. I usually just wish for marshmallows and chocolate.

Hey, how’d the interview go?

I thought the interview went really well. I wrote about it here. I’ve got a phone interview for the same gig with a manager based in Seattle. My guess it’s because the work I’d be doing is relevant for him. After the other day, I’m feeling pretty good. Just a bit farther and I could end up with a job.

312 makeitstop  Apr 10, 2014 7:04:32am

re: #310 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

I missed this whole Honey Maid thing. Did they do something like Cheerios and put a “non-traditional” family on the TV?

Yes, then they made a commercial tweaking the tight-asses that sent them negative feedback, which is a beautiful ad.

Youtube Video

313 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 10, 2014 7:06:10am
314 Lidane  Apr 10, 2014 7:07:57am

re: #310 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

I missed this whole Honey Maid thing. Did they do something like Cheerios and put a “non-traditional” family on the TV?

Yep. They had gay and interracial families in their recent campaign with the tagline “This is Wholesome”. They followed it up by sticking it to the haters, too:

315 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 10, 2014 7:07:59am
316 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2014 7:08:26am
317 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 10, 2014 7:09:25am

re: #310 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

I missed this whole Honey Maid thing. Did they do something like Cheerios and put a “non-traditional” family on the TV?

Youtube Video

There is a gay couple with a baby for a total of 6 seconds of the 30 second commercial. Not surprisingly, the SHTF about how horrible they were, hated America, anti-Christian, the usual RW Outrage.

What Honey Maid did next was a pure stroke of genius. In a very simple way they showed that the overwhelming majority of the comments they received were positive.

Youtube Video

RBS

318 abolitionist  Apr 10, 2014 7:09:44am

re: #265 freetoken

School administrators can be amazingly daft:

Science teacher’s suspension spurs petition drive

Of course they look like weapons - almost everything in physics has something to do with weapons.

My HS physics teacher used to put hydrogen bombs into the outstretched hands of [willing] students. It was an effective way of teaching stoichiometry.

A bit of soapy water in the palm of hand, one rubber tube delivering hydrogen, then a second delivering oxygen. Make a mental note of [approximately] how much of each, then bring a candle flame close.

We wore safety glasses, and all participation was voluntary.

319 darthstar  Apr 10, 2014 7:09:51am

re: #311 Lidane

Haha. I usually just wish for marshmallows and chocolate.

I thought the interview went really well. I wrote about it here. I’ve got a phone interview for the same gig with a manager based in Seattle. My guess it’s because the work I’d be doing is relevant for him. After the other day, I’m feeling pretty good. Just a bit farther and I could end up with a job.

Sweet…from your description it sounds like you pretty much nailed it. Add the fact that you’re getting referred by a friend and they like her enough to show you where she sits and you have good reason to feel good.

320 darthstar  Apr 10, 2014 7:12:44am

Okay…maybe she doesn’t want to get married after all…

321 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 10, 2014 7:12:55am

re: #312 makeitstop

re: #314 Lidane

Good!

322 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 10, 2014 7:13:42am
323 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 10, 2014 7:14:08am

re: #320 darthstar

Kids today! Sheesh!

//

324 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 10, 2014 7:20:36am
325 Lidane  Apr 10, 2014 7:21:57am

re: #319 darthstar

Sweet…from your description it sounds like you pretty much nailed it. Add the fact that you’re getting referred by a friend and they like her enough to show you where she sits and you have good reason to feel good.

I’m happy and staying positive, but I don’t want to get ahead of myself. Nothing’s in stone until I get an offer. Still, out of all the interviews and screens I’ve done, this one has been the smoothest and the one that I know is the best fit. We’ll see. :)

326 darthstar  Apr 10, 2014 7:23:42am

Okay, Shell station…well played.

327 Bulworth  Apr 10, 2014 7:25:01am

Ah, Spy Mode working on my computer again. Freedom has been restored to America.

328 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 10, 2014 7:28:43am

re: #326 darthstar

Okay, Shell station…well played.

DWD - driving while dead? Can’t be done.

329 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 10, 2014 7:28:45am

OH NOES!!!

330 ObserverArt  Apr 10, 2014 7:33:52am

NJDhockeyfan, if you are still around…thanks for the upding last night when I posted about the Columbus Blue Jackets making the Stanley Cup Playoffs.

Sorry the devils didn’t make it. The East was pretty tight and balanced this year.

331 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 10, 2014 7:36:26am

re: #330 ObserverArt

>NJDhockeyfan, if you are still around…thanks for the upding last night when I posted about the Columbus Blue Jackets making the Stanley Cup Playoffs.

Sorry the devils didn’t make it. The East was pretty tight and balanced this year.

Good luck in the playoffs. I was hoping Nashville would have made it so I could have went to a game.

332 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 10, 2014 7:36:44am
333 ObserverArt  Apr 10, 2014 7:36:52am

re: #329 Pie-onist Overlord

OH NOES!!!

This is just another example of what is wrong with ‘race’ mixing in this country!!!

It is just wrong that Sriracha hot sauce is made by Huy Fong Foods.

///

334 Dark_Falcon  Apr 10, 2014 7:37:20am

re: #113 Charles Johnson

The Heartbleed Hit List: The Passwords You Need to Change Right Now

Thank you for that, Charles. Only one thing I use often had to be changed and that’s done now.

335 Dark_Falcon  Apr 10, 2014 7:39:16am

re: #331 NJDhockeyfan

Good luck in the playoffs. I was hoping Nashville would have made it so I could have went to a game.

Nashville is in a very tough division. They aren’t a bad team, but the Blues, Blackhawks, and Avalanche are all excellent teams.

336 Chrysicat  Apr 10, 2014 7:56:16am

In hindsight I should’ve added the hashtag “#usefulidiot” but I wasn’t thinking straight…

337 Dark_Falcon  Apr 10, 2014 8:00:29am

re: #336 Chrysicat

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In hindsight I should’ve added the hashtag “#usefulidiot” but I wasn’t thinking straight…

Don’t feed that troll, Chrysicat. He’s just Moscow’s shill.

338 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 10, 2014 8:06:14am

Wingnut Derp O’The Day is this rancher in Nevada who is engaged in a “range war” letting his herd roam over land he doesn’t own.

Feds are coming down hard on him.

Wingnuts think he’s an old timey hero!

339 Dark_Falcon  Apr 10, 2014 8:10:20am

Teacher removed for ‘dangerous’ science projects; supporters rally

Zero Tolerance DERP at work.

340 Eventual Carrion  Apr 10, 2014 8:12:49am

re: #338 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnut Derp O’The Day is this rancher in Nevada who is engaged in a “range war” letting his herd roam over land he doesn’t own.

Feds are coming down hard on him.

Wingnuts think he’s an old timey hero!

Cool, then he wouldn’t mind if my dog came over every day and shit in their yard. And as for his Mormon family using the land since before the rules, have them take it up with the local Native American tribe. Maybe they will give him some sympathy.

341 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 10, 2014 8:13:08am

re: #338 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnut Derp O’The Day is this rancher in Nevada who is engaged in a “range war” letting his herd roam over land he doesn’t own.

Feds are coming down hard on him.

Wingnuts think he’s an old timey hero!

Round up his cattle on him, have it shipped the slaughter house & bill him for costs. Repeat as necessary till he grows up

342 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 10, 2014 8:14:40am

re: #341 William Barnett-Lewis

Round up his cattle on him, have it shipped the slaughter house & bill him for costs. Repeat as necessary till he grows up

Feds are collecting his stray cows as we post.

343 Dark_Falcon  Apr 10, 2014 8:20:55am

re: #341 William Barnett-Lewis

Round up his cattle on him, have it shipped the slaughter house & bill him for costs. Repeat as necessary till he grows up

And if wingnuts ambush the people you send out? I ask because sooner or later something like that is going to happen.

344 Lidane  Apr 10, 2014 8:21:50am

re: #341 William Barnett-Lewis

Round up his cattle on him, have it shipped the slaughter house, use the meat to feed the poor and hungry, then send him a thank you card for his donations. Repeat as necessary till he grows up.

FTFY. If he wants his cattle to roam freely on government land, then the government should put them to use and feed people. Seems fair to me.

345 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 10, 2014 8:22:43am

re: #343 Dark_Falcon

And if wingnuts ambush the people you send out? I ask because sooner or later something like that is going to happen.

All the militias and “sovereign citizens” for miles around think this will be their Bunker Hill.

346 Lidane  Apr 10, 2014 8:23:05am

re: #343 Dark_Falcon

And if wingnuts ambush the people you send out? I ask because sooner or later something like that is going to happen.

We’ve got federal law enforcement for a reason. If someone is stupid enough to ambush and/or attack a government worker, let them pay the consequences for their actions. Aren’t these cretins all about personal responsibility anyway?

347 GunstarGreen  Apr 10, 2014 8:23:46am

re: #310 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

I missed this whole Honey Maid thing. Did they do something like Cheerios and put a “non-traditional” family on the TV?

Yep. Two gay guys with a kid, showing that family is family no matter what it looks like and associating it with their company tagline “this is wholesome”.

In their usual fashion, fundamentalist bigots proceeded to cry and whine about having “the radical homosexual agenda” be “shoved down their throats”. Because being made to acknowledge that yes, these people exist is “shoving it down our throats”.

I know it makes me a bad person? But I really feel that these people should be made to read the entirety of Leviticus and account for each and every personal violation they have made of anything in it.

348 Dark_Falcon  Apr 10, 2014 8:24:39am

re: #346 Lidane

We’ve got federal law enforcement for a reason. If someone is stupid enough to ambush and/or attack a government worker, let them pay the consequences for their actions. Aren’t these cretins all about personal responsibility anyway?

“For thee, but not for me!” Very few people are actually into taking personal responsibility. (I’m not one of them, truth to tell.)

349 lawhawk  Apr 10, 2014 8:29:48am

re: #326 darthstar

I still think that to avoid a zombie apocalypse, the measures start with everyone understanding that if someone is infected to make sure that they have shoes with laces on, and that they’re tied together. Limit mobility. Do that, and you give yourself, and everyone around you time to get away, eliminate the zombie threat, and reduce the spread.

That, above all the other rules, is rule number one. If you have to get to the Zombieland rules, you’re already playing catchup.

Now, if the zombies are fast-movers and are infected and turn within seconds, well, then, there’s not much you can do, even if you can drive, except to buckle up, it’s going to be a bumpy ride…

Youtube Video

350 calochortus  Apr 10, 2014 8:30:34am

re: #338 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnut Derp O’The Day is this rancher in Nevada who is engaged in a “range war” letting his herd roam over land he doesn’t own.

Feds are coming down hard on him.

Wingnuts think he’s an old timey hero!

It is a popular position, but I am happy to report that not all wingnuts think he’s a hero. There were several over at FR yesterday who pointed out that no matter what you think of it being federal land, it was in fact not the rancher’s land and he needed to get his cattle off it.

351 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 10, 2014 8:31:29am

HURR HURR!!!!! WHO BUILT TEH ROADS BEFORE THEIR WAS AN INCOME TAX!!!!!!

352 Romantic Heretic  Apr 10, 2014 8:31:38am

re: #345 Pie-onist Overlord

All the militias and “sovereign citizens” for miles around think this will be their Bunker Hill.

Oh, this is going to end well. //

353 Romantic Heretic  Apr 10, 2014 8:32:49am

re: #348 Dark_Falcon

“For thee, but not for me!” Very few people are actually into taking personal responsibility. (I’m not one of them, truth to tell.)

People love taking credit but hate taking the blame.

Too bad it doesn’t work like that.

354 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2014 8:34:58am

good freaking grief…

355 GunstarGreen  Apr 10, 2014 8:39:22am

re: #349 lawhawk

Far too complicated.

Infection = destroy the brain. No exceptions, no delay. It sucks, it’s miserable and it’s grisly, but they’re dead already. 99.9% of problems in a zombie situation arise because somebody decided to get emotional and say “no wait we need to make an exception because X”. In any situation involving injury with unknown infection status, the potential infectee is to be thoroughly restrained with chain or some other material that is well beyond human muscle capacity to breach, there to remain until they are completely healed. Any sign of the infection process = destroy the brain.

356 lawhawk  Apr 10, 2014 8:41:24am

re: #352 Romantic Heretic

Gee, rancher refused to pay BLM grazing fees for 2 decades, and people think he’s the hero who needs to be protected from an overreaching government?

He’s abusing a shared public resource, and breaking the law to boot. Zero sympathy for him. He was unjustly enriched by his criminal activity - allowing cattle to graze on land that wasn’t his right, and didn’t pay for that privilege.

Seizing his herd is appropriate.

But it also will be used to justify further sovereign citizen/militia actions, which don’t view the government as legitimate, and heavily armed militia members will only make a dangerous situation even moreso.

358 lawhawk  Apr 10, 2014 8:43:18am

re: #355 GunstarGreen

That’s assuming that you know the zombie infection is already ongoing. Tie the shoelaces in any instance of an infection that may result in death/reanimation.

Once you’re at the point you know the zombie infection is spreading, you can consider the headshot/lobotimizer.

359 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 10, 2014 8:43:24am

re: #357 Timothy Watson

Coming from the woman that said all Jews are going to hell.

Attention queen wants attention.

360 GunstarGreen  Apr 10, 2014 8:45:05am

re: #358 lawhawk

Well yeah, but if you’re aware that there’s an infection that can result in death/reanimation, that right there is your spreading zombie plague.

Unless you mean to say that all sick people should have their shoelaces tied together regardless?

361 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 10, 2014 8:52:31am

re: #357 Timothy Watson

Coming from the woman that said all Jews are going to hell.

they just need to be “perfected”

362 Internet Tough Guy  Apr 10, 2014 8:54:22am

re: #354 Backwoods_Sleuth

Is he coming to pay his tax bill?

363 Ming  Apr 10, 2014 8:54:33am

re: #131 Killgore Trout

Ayaan Hirsi Ali retorts
Ayaan Hirsi Ali: ‘They Simply Wanted Me to be Silenced’

I admit to not knowing much about Ms. Ali, but I do believe that Brandeis could have treated her with more class.

If people don’t like Ms. Ali because of her association with RWNJ’s, I not only understand, I feel very much the same way.

If people don’t like Ms. Ali because of what she says about clitoral removal in children, and honor killings, then I disagree with them in the strongest possible way.

364 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2014 8:55:08am

re: #362 Internet Tough Guy

Is he coming to pay his tax bill?

hahahaa

365 CuriousLurker  Apr 10, 2014 8:58:50am

re: #363 Ming

I admit to not knowing much about Ms. Ali, but I do believe that Brandeis could have treated her with more class.

If people don’t like Ms. Ali because of her association with RWNJ’s, I not only understand, I feel very much the same way.

If people don’t like Ms. Ali because of what she says about clitoral removal in children, and honor killings, then I disagree with them in the strongest possible way.

What does she say about it and what do you know about it? Precisely which part(s) about what she says regarding those things do you suppose people object to? Do you think anyone in their right mind is in favor of those things?

366 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 10, 2014 9:01:01am

HURR HURR!!!!! TEH GHEY IS TEH FASCISTS!!!!!

367 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 10, 2014 9:03:47am

That’s funny I don’t see Teh Gheys rounding up non-gays, forcing them to live in ghettos, then transporting them en masse to extermination camps.

368 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 10, 2014 9:04:32am

re: #367 Pie-onist Overlord

That’s funny I don’t see Teh Gheys rounding up non-gays, forcing them to live in ghettos, then transporting them en masse to extermination camps.

they said the same thing about the nazis in 1932,

/

369 Timothy Watson  Apr 10, 2014 9:04:41am

re: #367 Pie-onist Overlord

That’s funny I don’t see Teh Gheys rounding up non-gays, forcing them to live in ghettos, then transporting them en masse to extermination camps.

IT’S JUST AROUND THE CORNER!1!!!

370 kirkspencer  Apr 10, 2014 9:07:57am

My biggest problem with planning for the zombie apocalypse is “which zombies”?

Fast? Slow? Post-mortem? Brain-burned pre-dead? Drugged? Bewitched?

Are or are they not recoverable?
Can they think (even if it’s akin to animal level cunning)?
How fast do they move?
How infectious are they, or is it a case of we’re all affected and change after a critical point (usually near or after death)?

I have seen all of these posited in various zombie products. Tell me what I’m dealing with and I’ll make appropriate plans.

371 Ming  Apr 10, 2014 9:09:42am

re: #365 CuriousLurker

What does she say about it and what do you know about it? Precisely which part(s) about what she says regarding those things do you suppose people object to? Do you think anyone in their right mind is in favor of those things?

I’ve heard about her books for a long time. Looking on amazon.com, I see a book named “Infidel”, another named “Nomad: From Islam to America: A Personal Journey Through the Clash of Civilizations”, another named “The Caged Virgin: An Emancipation Proclamation for Women and Islam”, etc. I’ve always been curious to read more about her.

I’ve read about her, on and off, for years, and she always struck me as very interesting and reasonable.

When you ask “Precisely which part(s) about what she says regarding those things do you suppose people object to?”, well, I have exactly the same question. I was surprised yesterday to read about her and Brandeis.

It seems to me that she has a valuable perspective on Islam, especially in regard to feminism, and my question is: what about her is so bad that Brandeis would cancel her speech?

372 Lidane  Apr 10, 2014 9:17:45am

re: #366 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!! TEH GHEY IS TEH FASCISTS!!!!!

Related:

373 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 10, 2014 9:20:03am

re: #344 Lidane

FTFY. If he wants his cattle to roam freely on government land, then the government should put them to use and feed people. Seems fair to me.

To me that went without saying but it is good to be explicit about it.

374 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 10, 2014 9:20:56am

re: #343 Dark_Falcon

And if wingnuts ambush the people you send out? I ask because sooner or later something like that is going to happen.

That’s what the police are for.

375 Lidane  Apr 10, 2014 9:24:51am
376 Ming  Apr 10, 2014 9:31:32am

re: #375 Lidane

What an excellent choice!

377 CuriousLurker  Apr 10, 2014 10:01:36am

re: #371 Ming

I’ve heard about her books for a long time. Looking on amazon.com, I see a book named “Infidel”, another named “Nomad: From Islam to America: A Personal Journey Through the Clash of Civilizations”, another named “The Caged Virgin: An Emancipation Proclamation for Women and Islam”, etc. I’ve always been curious to read more about her.

I’ve read about her, on and off, for years, and she always struck me as very interesting and reasonable.

When you ask “Precisely which part(s) about what she says regarding those things do you suppose people object to?”, well, I have exactly the same question. I was surprised yesterday to read about her and Brandeis.

It seems to me that she has a valuable perspective on Islam, especially in regard to feminism, and my question is: what about her is so bad that Brandeis would cancel her speech?

Did you even read what Randall wrote in his post, where this discussion started? Did you read the NY Times article he linked to? Both made it pretty clear what’s “so bad” about her.

If at this point you still can’t figure out what makes much of what she says unacceptable, try reading some of the things she says, but replace the word Muslim with Jew or Black, then replace the word Islam with Judaism or Christianity and see if you still find it acceptable.

Better yet, replace it with whatever ethnic group you belong to an whatever religion (or unbelief) you follow—e.g. if you’re an Asian atheist then use those words to replace Muslim and Islam. If you still think she sounds “reasonable” after that, then I guess we have wildly differing definitions of that word.

As for her perspective, it is a personal perspective based on her personal experiences—experiences which have clearly (and understandably) deeply scarred her psychologically.

In terms of education, she has an MSc in political science and (according to Wikipedia) took a one-year introductory course in social work. I don’t see either one of those as making her especially qualified to speak on matters related to Islam or feminism. She made it clear in her Reason interview that she would like to see MY religious freedoms as an American Muslim woman revoked—that’s her brand of “feminism” and there’s no way in hell I’m ever going to be on board with it or consider it “reasonable”.

378 Ming  Apr 10, 2014 10:10:31am

re: #377 CuriousLurker

I must say, I’ve changed my mind and I now agree with you, after reading that New York Times article that you mentioned. Ouch! Ms. Ali makes some sweeping statements that are obviously hateful.

I’m sure she’s had some interesting experiences, but there’s no excuse for statements like the ones she made (quoted in the NYT). Of course, a person can always apologize for saying things like that, but as far as I know she hasn’t apologized.

Thanks for the info! It’s often hard to keep track of who’s doing what in the world.

379 CuriousLurker  Apr 10, 2014 10:45:56am

re: #378 Ming

Thanks for the info! It’s often hard to keep track of who’s doing what in the world.

You’re welcome. There’s lots of valid info out there on the subjects of FGM, honor killing, etc. There’s also lots of misinformation & outright disinformation out there, so if you’re going to seek info it’s best that you look for well-known, respected, professional sources such as the World Health Organization (see the related links in the sidebar), UNICEF, etc.

Would you trust info on matters related to Jews/Judaism if it was coming from “anti-Jewish activists”? If I wanted info on matters related to LGBT issues or abortion, would it make sense for me to seek it from anti-LGBT or anti-abortion activists? I think you get my point—getting your info about matters related to Muslims/Islam from anti-Islam activists is a bad idea.

380 abolitionist  Apr 10, 2014 10:50:09am

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Is there a bright side to all this?

For those service providers who are affected this is a good opportunity to upgrade security strength of the secret keys used. A lot of software gets updates which otherwise would have not been urgent. Although this is painful for the security community, we can rest assured that infrastructure of the cyber criminals and their secrets have been exposed as well.

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381 Ming  Apr 10, 2014 10:58:34am

re: #379 CuriousLurker

You’re welcome. There’s lots of valid info out there on the subjects of FGM, honor killing, etc. There’s also lots of misinformation & outright disinformation out there, so if you’re going to seek info it’s best that you look for well-known, respected, professional sources such as the World Health Organization (see the related links in the sidebar), UNICEF, etc.

Would you trust info on matters related to Jews/Judaism if it was coming from “anti-Jewish activists”? If I wanted info on matters related to LGBT issues or abortion, would it make sense for me to seek it from anti-LGBT or anti-abortion activists? I think you get my point—getting your info about matters related to Muslims/Islam from anti-Islam activists is a bad idea.

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Thanks again!! For better or worse, I’m now interested in FGM and honor killing, so I look forward to reading the better sources that you mention above.

I agree with you very strongly, that any “source” about any topic should be checked for signs of hatred. If someone says something very hateful, especially sweeping generalizations about over a billion people as Ms. Ali has done, that immediately disqualifies them as a source, not to mention a college graduation speaker!

This reminds me of something. Like many at LGF, I very often disagree with Andrew Sullivan (sometimes I REALLY disagree), but for years I’ve been impressed by how courteous he is to different points of view. He’s only one example, but we need more people like him, and fewer people who make hateful statements.


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